No Good Hood Dentists w/ Shabana Azeez

Laci welcomes Australian actress and voice actor Shabana Azeez (The Pitt) to discuss scammin’ veneer techs! Shabana shares how she was scammed into going camping as a kid, and Laci absolutely felt that. Laci drops a bombshell on the CONgregation, admitting her own relationship with veneers, and together they learn about Atlanta’s hottest veneer tech, Brandon Dillard, and his inability to stay out of people’s mouths. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess on Hulu! Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Shabana Azeez: @shabanaazeez_ Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://adanews.ada.org/ada-news/2025/december/atlanta-veneer-tech-indicted-on-more-than-100-charges/ https://nypost.com/2024/10/07/health/dont-fall-for-fake-dentists-offering-veneers-and-other-dental-work-on-social-media/ https://adanews.ada.org/ada-news/2024/may/ada-advises-public-about-veneer-techs/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/fake-dentist-scam-folo/ https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/atlantas-top-veneer-specialist-denied-bond-accused-being-fake-dentist-following-raid/XHNQJMGCHRA3NKF5E73TMDPSQU/ https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/guide-to-getting-teeth-veneers https://screenshot-media.com/the-future/beauty/bad-veneers-experience/ https://www.drbicuspid.com/dental-practice/legal-issues/article/15773596/imposter-dentist-accused-of-scamming-patients-out-of-4m

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• 2:37Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, the host of the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will see along the way. Y'all already know I'm very what? Yes, excited for our guest today. Today, we have an Australian actress and voice actor on the show. You've seen her saving lives as Victoria Javadi in the award-winning series, The Pit. Y'all know I love that show. We, we, we don't get into that. She's also plays like the lead role as Irene in the feature film, Bird Eater. And she also voiced the lead character of Syrah

• 3:19Laci Mosley?

  in the animated feature film, Lesbian Space Princess. Ah, yes, congregation. Please welcome Shabana Aziz to the show. Shabana, hi.

• 3:30Speaker 06

  Hi. You have the most beautiful voice.

• 3:33Laci Mosley?

  You have the most beautiful voice. I, I've been struggling.

• 3:38Speaker 06

  You're just saying that now, because I said it to you. Wow, you really turned on when the microphone came on. I was like, ooh.

• 3:45Laci Mosley?

  You know, we gotta get to our employments. We gotta get to our employments. Now, I, okay, so The Pit, this season. So, season two, the first season, fucking phenomenal. And I don't watch medical procedurals like that because, I don't know, I feel like, I don't want to cry all the time. But this like, kind of hit me. It's, I feel like y'all are targeting me a little bit. So, I went to school in Pittsburgh.

• 4:15Speaker 06

  Shut up.

• 4:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I went to the University of Pittsburgh. Yeah, so I was like, watching like, I was like, you know, I'mma, I'mma tune in, I'mma, I'mma lock in because this is my city. And then, this season, the whole season is the 4th of July. That's my birthday.

• 4:33Speaker 06

  Shut up. The 4th of July is your birthday?

• 4:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the 4th of July, Lacey.

• 4:38Speaker 06

  Wait, that's really fun. How much younger are you than America?

• 4:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, good. How much younger than America?

• 4:45Speaker 06

  Probably a bit.

• 4:47Laci Mosley?

  Yes, a bit, a bit. You know, the slavery and everything, yeah, I'm, I'm younger than that.

• 4:55Speaker 06

  Sorry, I snort. I didn't used to snort. And then I didn't even know how to snort. And then my friend taught me how to snort. Cause I thought, wouldn't it be fun to be able to snort laugh for a character one time? And now I snort and I laugh and I can't stop it.

• 5:07Laci Mosley?

  I love that your friend taught you how to snort.

• 5:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, we were standing there on set one day like, like trying to figure it out.

• 5:13Laci Mosley?

  What's your relationship with scams? That's what I always ask people on this podcast. Like, have you been scammed? Has someone run a scam on you? I mean, if you're an Australian actor and now you're in America. I know you, you've seen some scams.

• 5:25Speaker 06

  You know what's so crazy? I was like, thinking about this, I was like, because I was like, first of all, I'm sure I've been scammed. I'm sure I've scammed. And then I was thinking about it and I could not think of a single thing. Like, I feel like I've genuinely never been scammed. And I suddenly, I'm like, wait, do I have integrity? Cause I haven't, I don't think I've ever tricked anybody about anything. I'm so boring. But I don't think you would think it. Like, if you met me, I think you'd be like, that girl's a liability. Um, she's definitely done some trickery on people. But I've never catfished anybody. I've never like done any, yeah, I've never stolen money.

• 5:59Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 6:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, and one time my friend, we were at a store and she stole a lip balm from the store.

• 6:04Laci Mosley?

  I mean, that's a rite of passage. As a young girl, you steal a lip balm.

• 6:08Speaker 06

  So I had to buy stuff from the store to make myself feel better. Like, I'm, I'm one of those people who like, if I leave a store without buying something, I feel like I've robbed them.

• 6:14Laci Mosley?

  You're trying to give daddy store money? Like, no, daddy store don't need our money. They underpaying their employees.

• 6:20Speaker 06

  This is so true.

• 6:21Laci Mosley?

  Let your friend steal her lip balm.

• 6:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I guess I have been scammed in terms of like, I mean, corporate lobbying and such. And like, you know, like.

• 6:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh, we've all been scammed there.

• 6:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, like big corporations, yeah, overcharging me for things and then not paying taxes. I've been scammed. Yeah, you're right. I've been scammed. That counts as a scam.

• 6:39Laci Mosley?

  I love you walking your way into convincing yourself that you have. It's like, wait a minute, maybe, maybe, maybe.

• 6:47Speaker 06

  Did not think I would start talking politics here.

• 6:49Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no.

• 6:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think that's a scam.

• 6:52Laci Mosley?

  And also, I love it for your friend. Like, that lip balm theft is, it's a rite of passage.

• 6:57Speaker 06

  Well, she's a lawyer now.

• 7:00Laci Mosley?

  As she should be, as she should be.

• 7:02Speaker 06

  The range.

• 7:03Laci Mosley?

  She knows the law.

• 7:05Speaker 06

  She, yeah, and she, so she can break it. Yes.

• 7:10Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, best career path. Honestly, proud of your friend.

• 7:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's really smart, but at what cost? Yeah.

• 7:19Speaker 06

  I still think about her still on that lip balm, the look on her face.

• 7:21Laci Mosley?

  You think about that?

• 7:22Speaker 06

  The highs she got and the, the complete panic that seized me.

• 7:26Laci Mosley?

  She had a Winona rider high from it.

• 7:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's gonna be the face of a lip balm in two years.

• 7:30Laci Mosley?

  She had a little Winona moment. Listen, I've had it.

• 7:35Laci Mosley?

  I, I got in trouble, oh gosh, I used to get in trouble, like, parents. Especially black parents and, and POC parents in general. Y'all, get your kid checked out. Like, if your kid is not cleaning their room or something like that, like, maybe they have ADHD. Maybe they're like neurodivergent. Maybe you should look into that instead of like punishing them for it. And my parents punished me for it. And I remember there was this big school trip that um, my parents had already paid for and we went out to the woods. I don't know where they took us. I don't know where they took us.

• 8:13Speaker 06

  Were you into a white school?

• 8:14Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 8:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, cuz you went onto the woods. I got it. Continue. Me too.

• 8:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so you went to a white school cuz you said the woods. Yeah, yes, very much so.

• 8:26Speaker 06

  Our people aren't going out into the woods. We don't do that.

• 8:29Laci Mosley?

  No, we don't do that. We don't. We don't.

• 8:32Speaker 06

  I went to the woods a lot at school. Yeah.

• 8:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz it was like, oh, this what we do. And I was like, okay, yeah, tap in. I'm in. And we went out to the woods and my room wasn't clean before I went. And my mom was so mad about it, like, your room's not clean, I'm not gonna give you any money for this woods thing, so.

• 8:53Speaker 06

  Famously, lots of economy happening in the woods. Yeah, okay.

• 8:58Laci Mosley?

  Well, they had one general store.

• 9:00Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 9:02Laci Mosley?

  And, and my mom was like, you're gonna get a whooping when you get home. And I was like, okay, now I gotta wait for a whooping?

• 9:11Laci Mosley?

  But this is kind of the worst part.

• 9:12Speaker 06

  The suspense, the tension?

• 9:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the tension. Why would you, why are we doing this? So then I go to the woods and

• 9:21Laci Mosley?

  honestly, now that I'm an adult, Joanna, I realized that I think my teachers who were like, we were doing the scavenger hunt in the woods where everybody, you had to go to certain points and meet teachers. And I realize now, I think my teachers were drunk.

• 9:39Speaker 06

  Oh, same one.

• 9:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I think they, I think they were drunk.

• 9:44Speaker 06

  And you know what? Good for them.

• 9:45Laci Mosley?

  Good for them.

• 9:46Speaker 06

  Imagine a bunch of fucking twelve, sorry, can I, sorry.

• 9:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 9:50Speaker 06

  A bunch of twelve, twelve year olds running around looking for you. You would have to, you would have to get drunk to survive that.

• 9:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 06

  Teachers are victims of society.

• 9:59Laci Mosley?

  They are.

• 10:00Speaker 06

  They are heroes.

• 10:01Laci Mosley?

  We need to pay them more and they

• 10:04Speaker 06

  and they have to, they have to deal with our kids. You know what I mean?

• 10:07Laci Mosley?

  Kids, like, yes.

• 10:08Speaker 06

  How, okay, I have quick questions.

• 10:10Laci Mosley?

  And these aren't even kids that they love. These are kids that somebody else loves.

• 10:14Speaker 06

  Yeah. I do, how, when you say my room was messy, how messy? Like dirty dishes in the room or just like untidy?

• 10:21Laci Mosley?

  Just untidy.

• 10:22Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 10:23Laci Mosley?

  Clothes everywhere, like, um, I think what really made her mad was there was a porn tape under my bed.

• 10:33Laci Mosley?

  But it was not my fault.

• 10:34Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 10:35Laci Mosley?

  Because I just recently got a television in my room and

• 10:43Laci Mosley?

  this is gonna date me, but at the time, like, this wasn't the newest technology, but like, I had found a VCR somewhere in my house. And so I had this tape and it was, it was called, um, In Loving Color. And I thought it was In Living Color. I thought it was the comedy show. And then I put the tape in and it was like, hi, it's me, Arsenio Balls. And then a man like had his balls out. He had all this, uh, his parts.

• 11:15Speaker 06

  How old were you? How old were you?

• 11:18Laci Mosley?

  Too young.

• 11:20Laci Mosley?

  And so then I was like, what the hell? And I took it out and I threw it under my bed. I was like, what, what, what is this? But she found that and she was like, your room is messy and you're watching porn.

• 11:32Speaker 06

  Wait, okay, was that the first time? Was it your first experience?

• 11:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 06

  Wow, that's fucked up.

• 11:39Laci Mosley?

  That I was about to go down the wrong path of life. And I was like, ma'am, I'm just, this is the environment that I live in.

• 11:46Speaker 06

  And that is a scam, I guess, selling in loving color instead of in living color.

• 11:49Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 11:50Speaker 06

  Is that where this all started?

• 11:51Laci Mosley?

  I mean, that's what they used to do, I think, with the porn. They used to make them like parodies of things. Mm hmm.

• 12:00Speaker 06

  You just told an act, that's my nightmare. My nightmare suddenly is like people making.

• 12:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 12:06Speaker 06

  Why would you say, why would you tell me that?

• 12:08Laci Mosley?

  The pit?

• 12:09Speaker 06

  Oh, that's gonna keep me up at night.

• 12:10Laci Mosley?

  Easy parody.

• 12:11Speaker 06

  Oh, I hate that so much.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 12:15Speaker 06

  Oh, I gotta go.

• 12:18Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry.

• 12:19Speaker 06

  I gotta make some calls.

• 12:20Laci Mosley?

  Gotta make some calls.

• 12:23Speaker 06

  Oh, that's crazy, fucked up, wow.

• 12:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. Well, I, I like your relationship with scams. You haven't been scamming, you haven't been scammed. That's, that's wonderful.

• 12:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, but I wish I knew, it's because I grew up in the suburbs. I think I grew up in the suburbs of Adelaide, which is like a city where nothing happens. And then in the suburbs of that city. So, you know, like it was, I lived a very quiet childhood, very, um, so.

• 12:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's so nice for you. You weren't traumatized. Look at you.

• 12:56Speaker 06

  In other ways, surely. I still went to white school. I still went to the woods every few months. White water rafting.

• 13:04Laci Mosley?

  Why do they want to go to the woods so much? White water rafting did that too.

• 13:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, hiking, the scavenger hunts, the like. I remember they made us surf one time and I hate surfing so much. I, I remember seeing this quote that was like, uh, surfing is like walking on water. And even Jesus needed that once. He was like, I'm good.

• 13:24Laci Mosley?

  I'm good.

• 13:25Speaker 06

  I'm good. It's so fucked up. I kept getting hit in the head with a board. It was, I was so uncoordinated and I was on the water. I just, the whole thing. Also, my thing is about people, I love having a mattress. I gotta have a hot shower and a mattress. I don't think I'm being dramatic.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 13:40Speaker 06

  Like, I don't think you can call me a diva about that.

• 13:42Laci Mosley?

  No, to wanna sleep somewhere comfortable without the bugs nipping at you?

• 13:47Speaker 06

  Literally. I remember being at camp one time and like a rat being in a girl's tent, cause she left her candy open at night.

• 13:53Laci Mosley?

  Oh no.

• 13:54Speaker 06

  Also, I'm from Australia, so think about the bugs. Think about the bugs in Australia.

• 13:56Laci Mosley?

  Okay, y'all, okay, but in Australia, y'all got different type of bugs.

• 13:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly.

• 14:00Laci Mosley?

  Y'all got like apex predator bugs that we haven't, every, I feel like it's every three months, I get on Twitter and there's a new giant scary bug from Australia that they're like, watch out for the creepy spider, like, what, what is, what?

• 14:13Speaker 06

  That's my people.

• 14:14Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, y'all have so many bugs.

• 14:16Speaker 06

  It's really horrible. It's disgusting.

• 14:18Laci Mosley?

  It's aggressive.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  The movie, the movie I did, Bird Eater. Bird Eater is a type of spider that eats small birds. So imagine what that thing looks like.

• 14:26Laci Mosley?

  A spider that eats birds?

• 14:27Speaker 06

  Think about it.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  See, that's why I can't come over there.

• 14:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's gross.

• 14:33Laci Mosley?

  There's some places I'm like, I don't know. I feel like I'm gonna be attacked, like.

• 14:37Speaker 06

  I remember growing up and I remember there being like blue tongue lizards and snakes in the backyard. And then I remember having koalas in the backyard one time.

• 14:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I feel like I could, I could fuck with a koala.

• 14:45Speaker 06

  No. Koalas, well, of course, well, they all have chlamydia.

• 14:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 14:49Speaker 06

  I don't know if that's true, actually, uh, but I think it's like what we say.

• 14:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 06

  And I remember finding the koala, cause there was just shit everywhere on the floor outside. And I was like, well, who's that? Who's doing that? And then I looked up and there was like two koalas and they just like, they just, were just making a mess at the backyard.

• 15:03Laci Mosley?

  And they don't really do shit. They just be chilling in the tree.

• 15:06Speaker 06

  They're high off the eucalypt.

• 15:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh, right. They be getting high all the time.

• 15:10Speaker 06

  Actually, if I could be any animal, I'd probably be a koala.

• 15:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, just looked it up. Koalas, yeah, they got chlamy, they got chlamydia. And you know how that came to the human people?

• 15:20Speaker 06

  How?

• 15:21Laci Mosley?

  Men.

• 15:22Speaker 06

  But men are human also. Well, well, they.

• 15:26Speaker 06

  Okay, that's a take. Do you want to expand on that?

• 15:31Laci Mosley?

  Men are a scam. Everybody knows that.

• 15:33Speaker 06

  Men are a scam.

• 15:34Laci Mosley?

  Everybody knows every man named Matt, you are definitely a criminal.

• 15:36Speaker 06

  Really?

• 15:37Laci Mosley?

  Like, we know.

• 15:37Speaker 06

  Is it Matt? It's Josh back home.

• 15:39Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it's Josh in Australia.

• 15:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, we got a new scam man.

• 15:42Speaker 06

  Don't want to meet a Josh.

• 15:43Laci Mosley?

  Scam man name, okay, yes.

• 15:46Speaker 06

  I think though, yes, because STIs are brought to humans by men fucking animals, right? That's, yes.

• 15:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's where it came from.

• 15:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, men did that.

• 15:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so that's where the koalas got the chlamydia.

• 15:58Speaker 06

  There's one man in the room, do you have anything to say for yourself? And your people?

• 16:02Speaker 07

  I'm disgusted and curious.

• 16:06Speaker 07

  I just want to add that my fiance's name is Josh. Am I about to ruin my life?

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Josh.

• 16:13Speaker 06

  In the right room.

• 16:13Laci Mosley?

  Congratulations on your engagement to Josh. Yeah, we're gonna come back to you, he's gonna have to circle back. He's a good Josh.

• 16:22Speaker 06

  Is he?

• 16:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, I think his parents made a mistake when they named him that. That was the wrong name, it was the wrong choice.

• 16:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, and he's not in Australia, so maybe it's different.

• 16:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he's an American Josh. Maybe that's okay. If he was an American Matthew, we would have concerns.

• 16:36Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 16:37Laci Mosley?

  We would have concerns.

• 16:38Speaker 06

  Cultural differences.

• 16:39Laci Mosley?

  Richard, we with you, Richard, you good? Scam!

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• 19:09Speaker 06

  Also, I will say sadly, I've just realized that there are a bunch of Australian scams that all Australians do to foreigners that I will not be divulging here.

• 19:17Laci Mosley?

  You're not gonna tell me?

• 19:18Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no. After you go to Australia, I'll tell you which things they told you that were lies.

• 19:21Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God.

• 19:22Speaker 06

  But we have a handful of lies that we tell people.

• 19:26Laci Mosley?

  And you're not gonna tell me the lies?

• 19:27Speaker 06

  Absolutely. We've got a bunch of fake animals. We've got a bunch of phrases that we pretend we say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a whole heap of stuff.

• 19:33Laci Mosley?

  Wow. Okay. You know what? You're not my only Australian friend. I'm gonna call Hal Comston. I'm gonna call somebody. Somebody's gonna tell me these Australian secrets.

• 19:41Speaker 06

  He better not. Actually, genuinely, if he does, you can go online and blast him for it.

• 19:45Laci Mosley?

  Y'all got a gatekeep.

• 19:46Speaker 06

  Because, yeah, that's unAustralian to break the "these are sacred pranks," you know?

• 19:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I mean, you know your whole country is based off criminals, right?

• 19:54Speaker 06

  Well, actually not where I'm from. So I'm from Adelaide, which was the only freely settled part of Australia. Freely settled, I'm said, colonized.

• 20:02Laci Mosley?

  Freely settled is so cute. That sounds so much better than colonized.

• 20:06Speaker 06

  That's the language they use.

• 20:07Laci Mosley?

  We were freely settled by the man.

• 20:10Speaker 06

  But also like, what kind of person goes, there's a country where only criminals, they're sending all the criminals, I'll go there, I'll go there by my own volition.

• 20:19Laci Mosley?

  Criminals are fun. They're a good time.

• 20:22Speaker 06

  I think there's fun crimes and unfun crime. You know? Like the lip balm drugs.

• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  That was a fun crime.

• 20:29Speaker 06

  That's fun, yeah, sure, you know.

• 20:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the whole point of me telling you about the lip balm thing was that my mom didn't give me no money to go to the woods. And I still wanted stuff, so there was like one general store and I stole like a bunch of stuff.

• 20:44Speaker 06

  What did you steal?

• 20:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh my gosh, definitely stole lip balm, stole like, oh god, I can't even remember how much stuff I stole. I was really like good at stealing.

• 20:55Laci Mosley?

  And then

• 20:58Laci Mosley?

  I was wearing glasses at the time, I wear contacts, but I was wearing glasses. And I remember like, you know, when you're a kid, you're trying to be cool in front of your friends. So I was like trying to curse in front of my friends because that was cool to me. And I was like, fuck you, birds. There were like a lot of birds. And then this one bird like pooped on my glasses, on my face. And then I washed them and they broke.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  Wow, instant karma, that's fucked up.

• 21:20Laci Mosley?

  Instant karma, instant karma. And then when I got home, more instant karma because I got home and then remember that whooping I was waiting on?

• 21:27Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:28Laci Mosley?

  I got it. And I was

• 21:33Laci Mosley?

  my mom like bored out like all the stuff that I had in my bag and she took it. So everything that I stole, she took it through away, so I didn't even get to.

• 21:44Speaker 06

  She stole from you?

• 21:47Speaker 06

  The apple and the tree.

• 21:49Laci Mosley?

  I didn't even get to enjoy my thefts. She took them all.

• 21:54Speaker 06

  That's crazy. Do you ever look at your mom and go, I see exactly how I turned out the way I turned out?

• 21:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, oh, all the time.

• 21:59Speaker 06

  And it hurts.

• 22:01Laci Mosley?

  It's a mirror. And I'm like, mm-hmm, yeah, this makes sense. Well, in honor of the pit, um, I wanted to bring you a historic hoodwink. This is my favorite part of the show where I will regale Shabana with a famous concapor group of criminals. We'll get our opinions all throughout. And I wanted to bring something that was a little medical because, I mean, like, I love the pit. I really do. Like, it's such a phenomenal show, like, truly.

• 22:28Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 22:29Laci Mosley?

  And like, it make, like, your relationship with your mom on that show, like, everything just makes me, I be crying all the time watching it, like, and I don't like to watch shows that make me cry. I'm a comedian, but I could not lock in. I was like, okay, we crying, like, and everything was set up so beautifully, especially the first season. Like, I was like, okay, we're weird.

• 22:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, I feel like it really sets up the light in the dark of like, you go from a trauma scene to a scene of me asking Mateo out to a scene of a child.

• 23:01Laci Mosley?

  Your crush? Oh, my God, you crushing on that man?

• 23:05Speaker 06

  Okay, well.

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  Goofy ass crush.

• 23:09Speaker 06

  Wow, rude.

• 23:11Laci Mosley?

  Sorry, sorry, I loved it. I loved it. I'm sorry.

• 23:16Laci Mosley?

  No, if you haven't watched it, it's like, the first season is one day.

• 23:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  But it's every hour of the day and you get to watch it and follow it like that. And there's so many Easter eggs that pay off, like, so much. It's, it's top, top, top, like, love it, top tier. So today we have a historic hoodwink that we're aligning with the pit. Now, look at this man.

• 23:38Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 23:39Laci Mosley?

  Diabolical.

• 23:42Speaker 06

  Is that real?

• 23:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes, that's him.

• 23:45Speaker 06

  This is him. This is the real guy.

• 23:47Laci Mosley?

  Yes, this is Atlanta's hottest veneer technician. And he's facing more than 100 charges after he electrically practiced dentistry without a license. Because veneer tech is not actually a job.

• 24:04Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  And he don't even look like it's a job. He got them.

• 24:08Speaker 06

  No, I thought this was like an AI-generated image.

• 24:10Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 24:12Speaker 06

  This looks, this is so edited, it looks AI-generated.

• 24:15Laci Mosley?

  He got some Beijing in his beard.

• 24:17Speaker 06

  Why is he holding those tools like that?

• 24:18Laci Mosley?

  Because he's like, I'm a veneer tech, eww. I'm gonna stab you in your teeth mouth, eww.

• 24:24Speaker 06

  His filler is incredible.

• 24:26Laci Mosley?

  It is. His face looks so smooth and brown.

• 24:31Speaker 06

  Have you heard the term, oh, I don't want to be mean to this man ever.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, you're good.

• 24:35Speaker 06

  He does some bad things later. Have you heard the term choppelganger? Choppelganger is like a doppelganger, but chopped, right? So like, somebody who looks exactly like you, but chopped? And isn't that John Legend's choppelganger?

• 24:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh. It is his choppelganger. I've never heard that before. Now I'm like, give me the green light. Oh, my goodness.

• 24:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 24:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm ready to go right now. Ma'am, sir, so, so Brandon Dillard, that's who we're talking about. This is Brandon. And it's always a Brandon. Brandon is another scam name that I'm gonna add to the list.

• 25:10Speaker 06

  I know a Brandon.

• 25:12Laci Mosley?

  You do?

• 25:12Speaker 06

  On the pit. He works on the pit. He's Donny Donahue. His name's Brandon.

• 25:16Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 25:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, his real name is Brandon.

• 25:17Laci Mosley?

  Donny Donahue's Brandon? Okay. They've stopped naming people Brandon these days.

• 25:22Speaker 06

  After him.

• 25:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 06

  He would like that joke. I promise.

• 25:31Laci Mosley?

  So Brandon Dillard has been arrested for illegally performing millions of dollars' worth of cosmetic dental procedures in Georgia. Of course, this is in Georgia. That's the scam capital. Atlanta is scam mecca, like, per capita. Like, honestly, GDP in the world.

• 25:50Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 25:50Laci Mosley?

  The most scams happen in Atlanta.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  I've got family in Atlanta. I've been to Atlanta.

• 25:54Laci Mosley?

  You need to call them more often because they're getting scammed out there. He's trying, now, this is him with the mugshot. He don't look like he did with the needles again. He's still giving face, though. Like he's still kinda giving face for being locked up.

• 26:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's glowing, he's glowing.

• 26:11Laci Mosley?

  He looking directly into the camera like, you see me?

• 26:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:15Laci Mosley?

  I, I don't know.

• 26:16Speaker 06

  Not a single blackhead on that nose.

• 26:19Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 26:19Speaker 06

  No sebaceous filaments.

• 26:20Laci Mosley?

  Skin, he look like he just moisturized. Like, did they, did they arrest him at a facial? Like?

• 26:25Speaker 06

  And it feels like he's gotten somebody inside, like, who's agreed to do Photoshop for him.

• 26:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 26:31Speaker 06

  Cause there's no way his skin look, that's incredible skin.

• 26:33Laci Mosley?

  That's incredible skin. For this low-grade quality photo, he's still giving.

• 26:38Speaker 06

  I'm not giving him credit in the first photo. Yeah, wow, incredible.

• 26:40Laci Mosley?

  For that though. Well, he's charged with theft by deception.

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  Theft by deception is, that's my kinda theft.

• 26:50Speaker 06

  Oh yeah?

• 26:51Laci Mosley?

  What's the other kinda theft? It's gotta be deception.

• 26:55Speaker 06

  Actual theft, but I like deception too, it's better.

• 26:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you're right.

• 26:59Speaker 06

  Because your mom can't take it, your mom can't take it.

• 27:01Laci Mosley?

  Everybody put your hands in the air and give me your money.

• 27:03Speaker 06

  Or it's like going to the woods and not having money and stealing all this stuff. But if you theft by deception, who can take?

• 27:10Laci Mosley?

  That wasn't theft by deception, that was just theft, huh? Okay, you're right, you're right. But yeah, so he's charged with theft by deception. Practice of dentistry without a license, practice of medicine without a license, battery, who did he beat on? Battery? Who did he beat on? Wait a minute.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  They buried the lead with that.

• 27:31Laci Mosley?

  They did. Possession of dangerous drugs, which I'm assuming he was using for the teeth.

• 27:37Speaker 06

  Mm.

• 27:38Laci Mosley?

  Conspiracy to commit insurance fraud.

• 27:45Laci Mosley?

  Brandon, how many crimes you wanna do today? I'm not even done.

• 27:51Laci Mosley?

  And violating the RICO Act, which is usually associated with organized crime.

• 27:57Speaker 06

  Wait.

• 27:57Laci Mosley?

  Brandon was busy.

• 27:59Speaker 06

  Organized crime, I guess he has to organize those teeth? What is organized crime compared to disorganized crime?

• 28:04Laci Mosley?

  Hmm, I mean, it's like when you have other factions involved and like everybody's working together. And like, that's kind of the only way to get like mob bosses and things like that is a Rico. Cause like, the mob bosses don't, like, they keep their hands clean, they don't ever touch dope.

• 28:19Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  So, how you gonna catch them with that, right? You gotta catch them influentially. Like, oh, you told all these people to do this crime and now we gonna take you down because you told everybody to do the crimes.

• 28:32Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm, mm.

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 28:35Speaker 06

  So do you think this guy had like dental hygienists and stuff working with him?

• 28:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, definitely. He had some other people with scrubs and he definitely had a practice, you know?

• 28:44Speaker 06

  I wonder what scrubs he was wearing, what brand?

• 28:46Laci Mosley?

  I mean, we saw the blue, oh, the brand, ooh, yeah.

• 28:49Speaker 06

  His scrubs were cool too, they had a, they had a pocket on the sleeve.

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, we both worked in scrubs. I've, I've worked, yeah, on Lopez, I was a nurse, I, I worked in scrubs. And honestly, best uniform ever.

• 28:59Speaker 06

  So good. Like sneakers?

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love just wearing one thing every day.

• 29:03Speaker 06

  The pants have elastic in them?

• 29:04Laci Mosley?

  Less fittings, just one thing.

• 29:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, so good.

• 29:08Laci Mosley?

  Love it. So Elias Moreno, who is licensed to practice dentistry in Colombia, but not in the US, is also charged with violating Georgia's RICO law for helping Brandon run training courses. So Brandon took it, yeah, he took it a step beyond. Not only was he doing the fake teeth for people, he was training people on how to do it. And I always say this, like, there's certain things that you can't be like, I do this. Like, you, you can be like, oh, I do crafts, I, I, I, I do, um, arts, I do flower arrangements, I do those things. You can't be like, I do braces, I, I do teeth, I do veneers, I do hearts.

• 29:53Laci Mosley?

  You can't say you, you do that, you gotta go to school.

• 29:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:58Laci Mosley?

  You can't be like, I do that. Like, that's not, it's not a side hustle. Like, you have to go get a degree.

• 30:05Speaker 06

  It does make me curious about the types of people who would do that training.

• 30:09Laci Mosley?

  I mean, because they want to do teeth. And they thought, teeth are outside bones. There are outside bones in their mouth.

• 30:16Speaker 06

  But then if we're going, you can't just say, I do teeth. You have to train first. But these people were training. They were just training with Brandon. You know what I mean? Like, are they also victims? Perhaps.

• 30:28Laci Mosley?

  That is such a great perspective. Because they were like, I want to do teeth. And he's making it look like it's an easy way to do teeth. So let's sign up with him and then do teeth.

• 30:40Speaker 06

  How easy would it be to fall into a cult? Do you know what I mean?

• 30:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah. Honestly, cults are for highly intelligent people. It's actually like, kind of scored that like, the smarter you are, the more likely you are to join a cult. Because if you're smart, your brain's thinking all the time. All the possibilities, all the horrible scenarios of the world, just constantly overwhelmed. And then you join a cult because it's like, oh, I have a reason this problem is solved now. Like, I don't have to worry about death anymore because I joined this cult. And now we know we're going to Zenom after and I'm good. Like.

• 31:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. It's, it's, so at his business, this is Brandon's business. A-list smiles Atlanta. It's A-list.

• 31:27Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. Oh, those teeth are white.

• 31:29Laci Mosley?

  Yo, and he got a good brand set up. He got everything set up real cute. A-list.

• 31:37Speaker 06

  One hundred and sixty-five thousand followers? Did he buy those? Do you have information about if he bought those?

• 31:43Laci Mosley?

  I mean, at the time, he had promoted himself to a hundred and fifty-eight thousand followers. So he's got more now. But he was Atlanta's top veneer specialist and trainer. He did toothwork and also sold training and certificates, which, how you giving the certificate? But then think about certificates. If we're really honest about it, it is just a guy giving you a certificate at any point. It's anybody.

• 32:09Speaker 06

  And what makes a piece of paper a certificate? What ma- like, where's that line?

• 32:13Laci Mosley?

  The framing, you gotta have some.

• 32:16Speaker 06

  The watermark?

• 32:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gotta have some nice like little like drawing around it. That's that makes it a certificate.

• 32:22Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. Text with a border. That's for you, a certificate?

• 32:25Laci Mosley?

  A border. Yeah, a border makes it a certificate. And also if it's printed on thick paper.

• 32:31Speaker 06

  Hmm. And if paper has a texture to it?

• 32:33Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, yeah, that's legit.

• 32:37Speaker 06

  That's a certificate?

• 32:37Laci Mosley?

  That's a certificate.

• 32:39Speaker 06

  I would love to know actually the proper definition for certificate and if there is some meaningful thing or if it's just like the paper and it being border.

• 32:45Laci Mosley?

  Everything's made up.

• 32:46Speaker 06

  The font they use.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  That's why I love doing this show is everything is made up.

• 32:50Speaker 06

  Everything is made up.

• 32:51Laci Mosley?

  Decide to follow what rules we want to follow in society, but everything is made up.

• 32:56Speaker 06

  I forgot about time zones. What are we doing?

• 32:59Laci Mosley?

  What are we doing?

• 33:00Speaker 06

  Oh, my god. Anyway.

• 33:02Laci Mosley?

  Oh, just pulled up, a certificate is an official document verifying a fact such as completing a specific educational program or skill training, proving specialized knowledge and enhancing resumes and career advancement. So, but look, you got a border. The example got a border.

• 33:19Speaker 06

  It's got a border, it's got serif font.

• 33:22Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:22Speaker 06

  And that would be printed on nice paper.

• 33:24Laci Mosley?

  Looking very certificate-y.

• 33:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. That certificate is less white than Brandon's teeth. And I think that is something, like certificates can't be on white paper.

• 33:34Laci Mosley?

  No, they have to be on like a little like light tan with some texture, like you said. It's gotta be thick. It's gotta have a border and then we know it's for real. So, like, he was doing these, he was giving out certificates, which were worthless, obviously, and he provided no legitimate legal credentials, obviously. When he was arrested in 2024, the judge did not want to let him out on bail because there was a danger that he would continue to perform veneer procedures if he was let go. They're like, we can't let you outside because you're gonna be in people's mouths. You're gonna be right up in their mouths again.

• 34:13Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 34:15Laci Mosley?

  Like a judge saying that you're a danger to society because you're gonna be in people's mouths doing veneers is crazy work.

• 34:21Speaker 06

  Also, like, that makes it sound like it was a compulsion for him. Like, he couldn't just stop. Like, he wasn't doing it for the money. He was in it full of teeth. Which is wild.

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  For the love of the game. It's like, give me that mouth. Give me that mouth.

• 34:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 34:35Laci Mosley?

  I got things I need to do with your mouth. Yeah, that's crazy. To protect you from society, from their mouths.

• 34:41Speaker 06

  Crazy.

• 34:42Laci Mosley?

  So Brandon had gotten a cease and desist letter from the state dental board of Georgia earlier that year, but he just couldn't stay out of people's mouths.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  He loves it.

• 34:54Laci Mosley?

  He couldn't stop.

• 34:55Speaker 06

  I admire the passion. You gotta do something that makes your heart sing.

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, he has fever.

• 35:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's following his dreams. His dreams are crazy. Same.

• 35:06Laci Mosley?

  Same.

• 35:06Speaker 06

  Get in line, Brandon.

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  Same.

• 35:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:08Laci Mosley?

  And with the pit, everybody's in there all passionate, like, about caring for people and saving their lives.

• 35:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Wow. Shout out to you, Brandon.

• 35:18Laci Mosley?

  The Fulton County Deputy District Attorney said, Brandon Dillard is not a dentist. Well, yeah, we know that. He's never been a dentist, and as much as he may want to play one on Instagram, he is not one.

• 35:35Speaker 06

  Whoa, that's kind of, that's hard. That would have been hard to hear for Brandon.

• 35:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because Brandon is a dentist in his head.

• 35:43Speaker 06

  And also, as an actor, right, like, everybody goes, like, there's this whole thing when you're like, I don't know, if you started in L.A., or I started in a city where, like, all the actors I know don't really act because there's no work.

• 35:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 06

  But there's this whole thing where it's like, I'm still an actor. I'm still an actor even if I don't act.

• 35:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 35:59Speaker 06

  And so is Brandon still a, like, he is... If he wants to be a dentist, even if he's not being, doing dentistry, is he still a dentist in his heart? Or is that the kind of bullshit rhetoric we use for artists to make ourselves feel better when we're unemployed?

• 36:12Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I stopped telling people what I do for a living a long time ago. Like, I would go on dates and be like, they'd be like, oh, what do you do? And I'm like, I work in insurance.

• 36:22Speaker 06

  Seriously?

• 36:22Laci Mosley?

  Because then people won't ask more questions. Like, if you don't know what I do for a living, I'm not going to explain it to you. If people are like, what have you been in? I'm like, uh, do you run down your resume for people? You get on Indeed and show everybody what you're working on? No.

• 36:36Speaker 06

  That's so good.

• 36:38Laci Mosley?

  I work in insurance, the most boring thing you can say. Nobody has follow-up questions, nobody cares.

• 36:42Speaker 06

  Oh, I love that. I, I say acting, but with such an air of humiliation that then people like, it's like, then people go, no, it's cool that you're an actor, it's great, that's a real job, buddy.

• 36:54Laci Mosley?

  It's a real job, buddy.

• 36:56Speaker 06

  And then it's even worse, like, it's so humiliating.

• 36:59Laci Mosley?

  That's a real job, buddy. It's great.

• 37:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

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• 39:03Laci Mosley?

  So, a made-up job.

• 39:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:05Laci Mosley?

  What a beautiful segue here. The American Dental Association would like to remind you that dentistry is a regulated profession, and it requires formal education and a license. Dentists and dental hygienists must be licensed in a state to provide care within that state. All states require dental work, including veneers, to be performed under the supervision of a licensed dentist. Now, Brandon, he was kind of ignoring that. He gave himself a license. He gave himself a certificate and said, "I did it."

• 39:39Speaker 06

  I actually kind of really respect that.

• 39:40Laci Mosley?

  I honestly do, too.

• 39:41Speaker 06

  Now that I've just decided that certificates are just...

• 39:43Laci Mosley?

  Like, why did I go to college? I could have just gave myself a college degree. What do you mean?

• 39:48Speaker 06

  What did you go to college for? Like Pittsburgh, but where did you go for?

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  I went for, um, I have a business degree and I have a, uh, performance degree.

• 39:57Speaker 06

  A performance degree?

• 39:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's goofy. The business degree was, my parents were like, you can't just go get a performance degree.

• 40:03Speaker 06

  You have to do business.

• 40:04Laci Mosley?

  Go get a real degree.

• 40:05Speaker 06

  Well, that's so fun.

• 40:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so I have a business degree. And it's, it's actually worked out really great. I needed the business degree. Didn't know I needed it, but uh,

• 40:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, all honest.

• 40:13Laci Mosley?

  It's been working out.

• 40:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're a small business like Brandon.

• 40:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 06

  Okay, continue, sorry.

• 40:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I am a small business like Brandon.

• 40:20Speaker 06

  Just like Brandon.

• 40:20Laci Mosley?

  And I'm getting myself, I'm gonna put out some certificates right after this. I'm getting more certificates for myself.

• 40:25Speaker 06

  I was thinking that. I'm gonna print certificates for my friends.

• 40:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm like, Siobhan, I had, I had her on an episode, print my certificate for the pit. I was on there.

• 40:36Speaker 06

  It's, it's so fun. Oh, delightful.

• 40:38Laci Mosley?

  So it takes four years after undergrad to complete a doctor of dental surgery, which is a DDS, or a doctor of dental medicine, which is a DMD, like, degree. And for in-state resident at a public school, that's gonna cost around like $227,000.

• 40:56Speaker 06

  Holy shit.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, not including licensing fees, which makes it, makes sense why the dentist is so expensive. So he, so Brandon is saying, you could do this for $6,000. He's like, you wanna pay $227,000? Or you wanna pay six grand to get your, your dental degree?

• 41:15Speaker 06

  I have a question, before I decide how I feel about this, because that is daylight robbery from the universities.

• 41:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 41:23Speaker 06

  Six thousand, he's like, maybe he's like a class warrior. Maybe he's actually doing this for the people.

• 41:27Laci Mosley?

  Damn, you are opening up a whole new lane for this.

• 41:30Speaker 06

  I just wanna know, was his veneer work good? Or was it bad?

• 41:36Laci Mosley?

  Do you wanna spend a quarter million dollars in four years to get in that mouth? Or six years, like, or $6,000 and you can get in that mouth tomorrow?

• 41:46Speaker 06

  If the outcome is the same, like, how bad were the teeth he was doing? Do you know what I mean?

• 41:50Laci Mosley?

  I mean, teeth are outside bones. They're, they are our bones. Like, it's kinda serious to not

• 41:55Speaker 06

  This is true.

• 41:56Laci Mosley?

  be good at teeth.

• 41:57Speaker 06

  This is true.

• 41:57Laci Mosley?

  Teeth can kill you.

• 41:58Speaker 06

  And you can't grow them back.

• 41:59Laci Mosley?

  If you have like a, no, can't grow them back after your second set. And if you have like a rotten tooth, that rotten tooth can go up into your bloodstream and, and to your heart and kill you.

• 42:08Speaker 06

  Yes, your heart health and your dental health are so closely intertwined.

• 42:11Laci Mosley?

  Plaque in your heart, plaque from your teeth, plaque. It's serious. Like, I, we should give dentists more respect, but I honestly think they be passing too many of y'all through school because I've had too many bad dentists, like.

• 42:22Speaker 06

  Have you?

• 42:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes. I have one good dentist now, but I've had a lot of bad ones.

• 42:26Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 42:27Laci Mosley?

  Like where hit a nerve and I was convulsing on the table.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  What?

• 42:32Laci Mosley?

  And also they wanna take your teeth out so much cuz they want the money.

• 42:36Speaker 06

  What?

• 42:37Laci Mosley?

  Wisdom teeth, not everybody has to have them removed.

• 42:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, I haven't had mine removed yet.

• 42:41Laci Mosley?

  I haven't had mine either.

• 42:42Speaker 06

  But that's where the wisdom is stored. We can't get rid of them too soon.

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  Well, actually, I have had, you have four. I, I think I've had two removed now because they were like, oh, we gotta yank these. But they were trying to do it when I was like 12. They were like, oh, you're gonna have them removed anyway at some point and like, let's just do them now. And I'm like, y'all just want free, like billing. You just wanna rip everybody's teeth out for money.

• 43:08Speaker 06

  I've never heard of this. And then I go, maybe it's just Australians are like, nah.

• 43:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, no. In America, they gonna get you for everything you got. You got good health insurance, ooh, they gonna run it up, okay? Everything.

• 43:23Speaker 06

  I'm shocked. That's not, but medicine has, should have so much integrity as a profession.

• 43:28Laci Mosley?

  No, no. That's why you gotta get a second opinion cuz, yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 06

  I'm gonna need to do some American-specific research for the pit. I feel suddenly deeply unprepared for season three.

• 43:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes, season three.

• 43:40Speaker 06

  Wow, okay.

• 43:41Laci Mosley?

  And, no, I, I like where you're coming from. Stay, stay there. It gives me hope. It's Hope Corps.

• 43:47Speaker 06

  Hope Corps, that's me.

• 43:49Laci Mosley?

  I don't need you to be on the American wave where you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's cut her, let's cut her open for money. Hello?

• 43:55Speaker 06

  For money?

• 43:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. We need the money, cut her cuz she needs it and we need it. Everybody needs it. Everybody on this, but, no.

• 44:02Speaker 06

  But 12 years old for wisdom teeth is kinda crazy.

• 44:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they, they wanted them. They wanted the coins. So, obviously, like, you need these degrees, right? He, and you mi- you might be right, Shabana, like, maybe he was a class warrior.

• 44:16Speaker 06

  For the people.

• 44:17Laci Mosley?

  But you can't just sign up and say you know how to fix teeth.

• 44:21Speaker 06

  No, you can't.

• 44:22Laci Mosley?

  But Brandon Dillard made $4 million doing that exact thing.

• 44:27Speaker 06

  Wait.

• 44:28Laci Mosley?

  And training other people to do it too. $4 million.

• 44:31Speaker 06

  Oh, not a class warrior then, period.

• 44:33Laci Mosley?

  I mean.

• 44:34Speaker 06

  $4 million?

• 44:36Laci Mosley?

  The money probably just started to add up. He didn't know it was gonna be that much.

• 44:40Speaker 06

  And he had expenses, I imagine. How do you make teeth?

• 44:43Laci Mosley?

  He got a whole practice. He gotta get the teeth, you know, equipment from amazon.com, probably.

• 44:49Speaker 06

  I'm obsessed with this. And how did this start? Like, if you wanna do a scam, you go Nigerian prince. You don't go teeth. Like, that's really crazy. I'm obsessed with this.

• 44:57Laci Mosley?

  I mean, in Atlanta, I think you go teeth.

• 44:59Speaker 06

  Oh, really?

• 45:00Laci Mosley?

  Like, all the rappers and stuff, they want some fresh teeth. They want... And they don't wanna get braces. They don't wanna do the work.

• 45:07Speaker 06

  I really... That's really interesting that rappers want teeth. I've never really thought about this before.

• 45:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, rappers been wanting teeth. Cardi B had a song that was like, "I got a bag, I fix my teeth."

• 45:15Speaker 06

  What was wrong with his teeth?

• 45:16Laci Mosley?

  "Told these hoes this shit ain't cheap." That's Cardi B.

• 45:20Speaker 06

  It would've been if he'd gone to Brandon, but then we wouldn't have had the song. Wow, that's really interesting, especially with the rise of mumble rap. I go, what is the value of having your articulators?

• 45:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 45:33Speaker 06

  If you're just gonna, like, mumble? If that's the style, actually get rid of your teeth.

• 45:37Laci Mosley?

  I think it's more about the facade of it all, cuz veneer fraud is now extremely common all over the country.

• 45:44Speaker 06

  Are you serious?

• 45:44Laci Mosley?

  Veneer fraud, yeah. It's extremely common, all over the country. People trying to get your teeth.

• 45:49Speaker 06

  Are you fucking with me?

• 45:50Laci Mosley?

  They're trying to get your teeth, yes.

• 45:51Speaker 06

  They're trying to get my... They can't have my teeth. They're mine.

• 45:53Laci Mosley?

  They're trying to get your mouth. Keep your mouth closed, cuz Brandon might come.

• 45:57Speaker 06

  Great advice for Hollywood, actually, generally.

• 45:58Laci Mosley?

  Brandon might come. You never know when Brandon gonna show up and put his hands in your mouth. You don't know.

• 46:05Speaker 06

  Oh, my god.

• 46:05Laci Mosley?

  And so, look, we have a fake Tampa dentist here, Emily Martinez, who used a special beauty salon technique to attach bogus veneers to her victims. So let's look at what, like, she was up to. Emily?

• 46:21Speaker 11

  It's believed Emily Martinez used nail glue, yes, nail glue, to attach veneers to her victims' teeth. Licensed dentists say if a deal on dental work seems too good to be true, it probably is. Pinellas Park Police say Emily Martinez

• 46:37Laci Mosley?

  Male glue?

• 46:38Speaker 11

  promised to give her clients a killer smile at a killer price.

• 46:41Speaker 06

  Oh, her skin is also amazing.

• 46:42Speaker 11

  Back in January, we told you when she was operating the tap-in beauty bar under the alias Jasmine Martinez while presenting herself as a licensed professional.

• 46:52Laci Mosley?

  And she changed her name. Emily went from Emily to Jasmine? We should have known she was doing crimes, because why you changing your name?

• 46:57Speaker 06

  $1,200 per tooth, too, is insane.

• 47:00Laci Mosley?

  Her tooth is crazy. That's really expensive. And then you just see her pulling out some Sally Hansen's and putting that on your mouth.

• 47:11Speaker 06

  I can't. That's insane.

• 47:13Laci Mosley?

  No, not my teeth can come off with acetone. What? No.

• 47:18Speaker 06

  Oh, so true. Do people's teeth come off? Oh, my God.

• 47:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you know their teeth was coming off. Like, that's how she got caught. If she was doing a good job, if she was a good hood dentist, nobody would have said a word. Nobody would have said a word.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  This is so true, actually.

• 47:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 47:32Speaker 06

  Nobody would have said anything.

• 47:33Laci Mosley?

  No, they would have been like, I got my hook up. Everything's good. But if they saying something, that mean the teeth coming off, for sure.

• 47:40Speaker 06

  Really bad. Also, I'm such a messy eater that, like, I definitely would eat my own teeth without realizing it. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of... Because if... Yeah, think about it.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  Eating your own teeth is crazy. What do you think?

• 47:51Speaker 06

  What if you're asleep and your tooth came off your tooth?

• 47:54Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God.

• 47:54Speaker 06

  And then you chugged on it.

• 47:55Laci Mosley?

  And then you just coughing, and you're like...

• 47:56Speaker 06

  And perhaps died.

• 47:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh. Death by tooth is crazy.

• 48:00Speaker 06

  This is cra... This is crazy.

• 48:03Laci Mosley?

  So, here's a news report with one woman who fell for an Instagram DM luring her into becoming a fake veneer tech at another Atlanta spot. So, we have this video of this woman. So, not only is Brandon, like, selling his business, there are also, like, there are people in Atlanta, like, advertising to become a dental tech.

• 48:26Speaker 06

  I'm so obsessed with all these perspectives we're getting. Is this her?

• 48:31Speaker 12

  The top and it's completely reversible.

• 48:34Speaker 13

  Influencer Andrea Joseph said she was contacted on Instagram by Devon Odwezo, a self-described dental assistant. He asked if she could promote his business, VVS Smiles, in exchange for free veneers. After a year of watching Devon's business grow on Instagram, she decided to enroll in his course and travel to Atlanta to learn how to become a veneer tech herself.

• 48:56Speaker 12

  What was the promise? A lot of money. He's like, oh, I've made over a hundred thousand dollars in a year.

• 49:03Laci Mosley?

  My people, my people. This is us. And then they're doing great branding with it. VVS Tech, like.

• 49:11Speaker 06

  Also.

• 49:12Laci Mosley?

  What was Brandon's brand? It was, um.

• 49:15Speaker 06

  A-list.

• 49:17Laci Mosley?

  A-list, A-list.

• 49:19Speaker 06

  Smile.

• 49:20Laci Mosley?

  A-list, VVS, like fancy, fancy.

• 49:24Speaker 06

  Also, the fact that she followed him for a year, watched him growing and then decided, like she didn't have due diligence.

• 49:29Laci Mosley?

  And it looked like he did her mouth. That's her mouth that he did.

• 49:34Speaker 06

  Her teeth look.

• 49:35Laci Mosley?

  He said, they kind of look good.

• 49:37Speaker 06

  They look really good.

• 49:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Like, I kind of understand why she went into the scam because the teeth.

• 49:44Speaker 06

  It's working.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 06

  And they all have such good skin.

• 49:47Laci Mosley?

  They do. And like social media ads, like veneer techs are often promoting themselves on Instagram and TikTok, promising a full set of chompers for a bargain price. So you get on Instagram, they done boosted their posts. Chomp, chomp, chomp, tee, tee.

• 50:03Speaker 06

  How is Instagram allowed to do that? That's crazy. That somebody can just sell a.

• 50:10Laci Mosley?

  Mark Zuckerberg already went to the hearings and he.

• 50:15Speaker 06

  And he.

• 50:18Speaker 06

  That's wild. That's so, that should not be legal.

• 50:21Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. And instead of working out of a dental office, veneer techs often do their work at beauty salons, hotel rooms.

• 50:30Speaker 06

  Hotel rooms?

• 50:31Laci Mosley?

  And private homes. Can you imagine? Meet me at the Marriott. We finna do yo dental work.

• 50:39Speaker 06

  And then I would, if it was the Marriott, I would trust because that's a really fancy hotel.

• 50:43Laci Mosley?

  Right, the Bonvoy? We going to the Bonvoy?

• 50:46Speaker 06

  Sign me the fuck up. Yeah.

• 50:48Laci Mosley?

  Kimpton? That's a Marriott property? And then I get my teeth did? No, that's crazy work.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  And a beauty salon too because veneers are, they're not real, it's not, it's not health dentistry.

• 50:58Laci Mosley?

  No, it, it is beauty, but at the same time, like, somebody over here getting a silk press a, and I'm getting teeth put on?

• 51:07Speaker 06

  Wild.

• 51:07Laci Mosley?

  And we all in the same place? Like, doing the same thing?

• 51:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, getting your nails done and getting your teeth done by the same person is like, actually kind of really fun.

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Somebody getting press on they nails and I'm getting press on teeth in the corner is crazy.

• 51:20Speaker 06

  Really fun.

• 51:23Laci Mosley?

  That don't make no damn sense. Yo.

• 51:26Speaker 06

  I'm shocked.

• 51:27Laci Mosley?

  And some advertise like multi-city tours. They go on tour. Yes.

• 51:32Speaker 06

  What do you mean?

• 51:34Laci Mosley?

  And they encourage clients to message them to book an appointment in advance. So they go on teeth tour. Like, I'mma be in yo city, putting them teeth on. Get your mouth ready. San Francisco.

• 51:45Speaker 06

  But don't you need to, with vene, like, you have to be fitted and refitted, right? Surely?

• 51:48Laci Mosley?

  Get your mouth ready, Dayton, Ohio.

• 51:52Speaker 06

  That's, this is insane. I need a movie about, I need a Fast and Furious style franchise about this guy.

• 52:00Laci Mosley?

  I do too, because what do you mean? Like, also, as a scammer, I do admire this part because as a scammer, you do need to be on the move. You can't be in one place. You gotta...

• 52:11Speaker 06

  You gotta run from the law.

• 52:13Laci Mosley?

  You got advertisement, you, you running the cities. I, I, I don't know. So the cost of the deals. Veneer techs are popular because of their pricing, right? It's cheaper. With some offering a full set of veneers for a flat fee of like $4,000 to $5,000. Brandon held online raffles for a $5,500 full set. So he said, if y'all get on my live... Like and subscribe. You might get a free mouth.

• 52:42Speaker 06

  Are you kidding me right now?

• 52:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 06

  That's insane.

• 52:46Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, excellent advertising strategy.

• 52:49Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, but, uh, what?

• 52:51Laci Mosley?

  But also crazy.

• 52:53Speaker 06

  Uh, that's crazy. If some guy's gonna come to your city and you've won a raffle to spend $5,000? And he's just gonna look at your mouth one time and fit things in it immediately?

• 53:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but Shabani, y'all ain't raffling off free surgery on the pit? Y'all not doing that? Y'all got a free cut?

• 53:10Speaker 06

  I, I, that's literally, oh my god.

• 53:13Laci Mosley?

  Put a ticket in and maybe you get your heart cut on for free? Y'all got that?

• 53:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:16Laci Mosley?

  Y'all ain't doing that?

• 53:17Speaker 06

  N- no.

• 53:20Speaker 06

  Could you, could you imagine, uh, some, somebody would pay for that? For Noel Wally to do surgery on them?

• 53:24Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, we need to stop putting the idea in the air because this is America and they probably be like, you know what?

• 53:29Speaker 06

  Let's, like, no.

• 53:31Laci Mosley?

  CrossFit should be like, we have never thought about that. A raffle to the death.

• 53:36Speaker 06

  With veneers, don't you shave your actual existing teeth down? So like, this guy's just shaving your teeth down?

• 53:43Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:43Speaker 06

  The first time he sees them? And then fitting you with generic shaped teeth?

• 53:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 06

  But your, everybody's mouth is a different size.

• 53:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Yeah, you know, you got it.

• 53:53Speaker 06

  The more I think about this, the angrier I get. This is crazy.

• 53:57Laci Mosley?

  No, yeah, you're, you're right on track.

• 53:59Speaker 06

  Shaving your whole, your teeth down for $5,000?

• 54:02Laci Mosley?

  You can't go back. No, but, but this is like-

• 54:04Speaker 06

  You can't go back.

• 54:05Laci Mosley?

  It's a raffle though, so you could have, I don't know what $5,500 gets you, like, as far as a full set? Cause they got different options, but you can get you some teeth.

• 54:15Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 54:17Laci Mosley?

  And actual dentists, they charge between $1,000 and $2,000 per tooth, per tooth for veneers.

• 54:23Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:24Laci Mosley?

  With higher prices for those made from porcelain compared to the cheaper materials, like the composite material they use for like filling a cavity.

• 54:32Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 54:33Laci Mosley?

  So that's what the cost should actually be. But Brandon was like, you know-

• 54:39Speaker 06

  $5,000 full mouth.

• 54:41Laci Mosley?

  So veneers are thin. They're like custom made tooth coverings used to hide minor imperfections like stains or chips or to fill in gaps between teeth. You'll recognize them from famous faces like Miley Cyrus to Joe Coy, like, you know? Oh, okay, his are aggressive, like- Miley's teeth look good, but Joe, Joe, sir.

• 55:05Speaker 06

  That's a lot of teeth.

• 55:06Laci Mosley?

  Blinding. Like, why did you go so white with it?

• 55:11Laci Mosley?

  Unlike crowns or more invasive dental implants, veneers are usually considered like cosmetic ministry, like you were saying, and they aren't covered by insurance.

• 55:19Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 55:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because you can't tell your insurance, like, I need my smile to be pretty here, everybody. Like, no, they're not gonna go for that. So placing veneers involves stripping some of the natural enamel, like we were talking about, from the tooth and bonding the new covering into place. You need anesthesia before the dental strips, like, your enamel. Because that process, like getting veneers, is, it's kind of irreversible procedure, according to the American Dental Association. Once you do it, there ain't no going back. Once they shave you down to these little shark monster teeth, you can't go back.

• 56:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, and, yeah, and you can't eat with those. Like, imagine how much food you would get in between your teeth.

• 56:06Laci Mosley?

  And they're not permanent. They can only be expected to last between five to fifteen years before they degrade and have to be replaced. Yeah, and also, there's a thing where, like, if you get veneers, where they're placed, they can interrupt your gum health. So there's this thing called veneer breath. Yeah, where your breath smells bad because you can't brush in between your gums and your teeth because there's a fake thing sitting there, closing up that gap, and then bacteria is being trapped in there, and then your breath smells bad. Yeah, there's so many risks.

• 56:44Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 56:45Laci Mosley?

  It's a reason I don't have LASIK, because every eye doctor I go to is wearing glasses. And I'm like, well, if you ain't getting your eye cut on, I'm not getting mine either.

• 56:54Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 56:56Laci Mosley?

  But.

• 56:56Speaker 06

  LASIK is scary.

• 56:58Laci Mosley?

  Am I gonna say it? I do have veneers.

• 57:02Speaker 06

  Wait, which ones?

• 57:04Laci Mosley?

  There's some in my mouth, yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 06

  Which ones? You've got a great smile.

• 57:08Laci Mosley?

  Thank you.

• 57:09Speaker 06

  I don't have veneers, but I have, I've got a really strong tongue. That sounds really weird. And I get food trapped in like one part of my teeth, so I push it out with my tongue. And then now both of those teeth have like turned over time. And so I'm gonna have like sideways teeth.

• 57:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but just keep them, keep the integrity of your face. I didn't get all the veneers. I didn't get my whole mouth done because after they did the processes, which actually was a process. I was like, I don't want more of this. Like, I think I'm good. So the risks of bad work. If you get cheap, unlicensed veneers, you risk damage to the tooth itself, possible nerve damage and infection. And we talked about infections lead to the heart, like the teeth, the mouth. Like, it's not a game to play with. If they use the wrong amount of anesthesia, it can be incredibly painful. They can also go too deep into the tooth and penetrate what's called the pulp chamber, which contains blood vessels and nerves.

• 58:07Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 58:07Laci Mosley?

  So now you're hooting and hollering on the table. Because somebody coming at you with a nail drill, somebody over here getting a fill-in, somebody getting some extensions taped in, and you over here getting your pulp drilled on.

• 58:19Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 58:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Another big issue is that fake texts don't actually examine your teeth to see if you have any like issues, like gum disease or cavities. If you put a veneer on top of the cavity, the cavity will keep growing even though it's covered up. And you're going to eventually lose that tooth.

• 58:38Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm, but you know of a near guy already.

• 58:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but you can't put a veneer on a tooth that ain't there.

• 58:45Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 06

  Shit. Oh, I didn't think about that.

• 58:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so if you lose that tooth, there's nothing to... You'll be running around looking like Krishan. That's a deep cut, if y'all know.

• 58:58Speaker 06

  What do you do if you don't have a tooth then? How do you?

• 59:01Laci Mosley?

  Be toothless?

• 59:02Speaker 06

  If you lose a tooth? Surely they can, they can stick on a fake tooth?

• 59:06Speaker 10

  Bridge?

• 59:06Speaker 06

  A bridge.

• 59:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gotta get a bridge.

• 59:09Speaker 06

  Thank you, Richard.

• 59:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, somebody gotta drill a little screw in your mouth to put another... Yeah, you don't want that. Plus, like, let's not forget that your teeth might look really bad, and it can cost $2,000 per tooth to fix bad dental work.

• 59:25Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 59:26Laci Mosley?

  So you might even go in deeper. But the allure of being a fake dentist is hard to resist by many schemers.

• 59:34Speaker 06

  So hard to resist.

• 59:35Laci Mosley?

  They keep coming back.

• 59:36Speaker 06

  Every day.

• 59:38Laci Mosley?

  You could go buy scrubs anywhere. You telling me I got the uniform, I got the outfit, and I took the $6,000 training class? I'm a dentist.

• 59:46Speaker 06

  Say it again, say that, say it again, it's so funny. The allure of being-

• 59:50Laci Mosley?

  The allure of being a fake dentist is hard to resist by many schemers.

• 59:57Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, it's making it a little hard for me to resist. I kinda-

• 1:00:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's seductive.

• 1:00:02Laci Mosley?

  I look good in scrubs.

• 1:00:02Speaker 06

  It's seductive.

• 1:00:03Laci Mosley?

  Feel like I could be-

• 1:00:06Speaker 06

  I might quit my job.

• 1:00:08Laci Mosley?

  Look, at least you get to get your itch out with the pit, cuz you in scrubs on the pit, being a doctor.

• 1:00:15Speaker 06

  I have no medical itch, period. Period. Every new thing I learn about-

• 1:00:19Laci Mosley?

  Are you sure? You play that role a little too well. I feel like you might have a little medical itch.

• 1:00:24Speaker 06

  Absolutely, absolutely the opposite of that.

• 1:00:27Laci Mosley?

  You ain't never wanna do teeth?

• 1:00:29Speaker 06

  Get me out of people's mouths. People are giving me their mouths, and I'm like, stop. Absolutely not.

• 1:00:35Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna give you my mouth right now. You, you don't, you could do a little tune-up.

• 1:00:40Speaker 06

  Could you ma- could you ma- no, I, I, oh my god, no, that's my nightmare. Medical stuff is my nightmare, like, absolutely not.

• 1:00:46Laci Mosley?

  Same.

• 1:00:47Speaker 06

  It's disgusting.

• 1:00:48Laci Mosley?

  I, I love that people have god complexes. I love that there are people who are born who are like, I can save your life, and I'm gonna get in here and cut on your body and look at the blood. I love that they love looking inside your body, like, the most invasive thing you can do. Look, I'm a gossip, I, I will sit at a restaurant and I will listen to a full conversation that's happening two tables over and be fully involved. I'm nosy in that way. I'm not nosy enough to be like, let me cut you open and see what's going on inside, nosy. But I'm so happy that there are people who are.

• 1:01:22Speaker 06

  So grateful.

• 1:01:23Laci Mosley?

  It ma- it makes a world of difference.

• 1:01:25Speaker 06

  Heroes.

• 1:01:27Laci Mosley?

  Cuz I, I can't do that. So, don't get caught by these fake dentists. Separate the DDS from the BS, please, by searching their name on mouthhealthy.org. I can't believe there is a website for this.

• 1:01:42Speaker 06

  And I can't believe it's called Mouth Healthy, are you kidding me?

• 1:01:46Laci Mosley?

  We were talking about giving the mouth up. They they try to make the mouth healthy.

• 1:01:49Speaker 06

  Mouthhealthy.com sounds like a scam.

• 1:01:51Laci Mosley?

  It's dot org, so it's not a scam because it's a dot organization. Mouthhealthy.

• 1:01:56Speaker 06

  Mouthhealthy. I'm not convinced at all. That's crazy.

• 1:02:00Laci Mosley?

  It's a tool to check if your provider is licensed in your state. So you can go on mouthhealthy.org and see if they need to be in your mouth. Don't let them put their fingers in until you've gone on Mouth Healthy.

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  Keep that mouth healthy.

• 1:02:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, keep that mouth healthy. Yes.

• 1:02:15Speaker 06

  That's why it was crazy that they were going on tours because you have to be licensed within a state.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And think about it, like, I'll think about it like this. You know how in California, it's incredibly difficult to pass the bar?

• 1:02:27Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:02:27Laci Mosley?

  Like, the bar is different in every state.

• 1:02:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Laci Mosley?

  So these people are going on tour. They definitely are not licensed in all these states. They can't be.

• 1:02:35Speaker 06

  No, that's cra- that's wild, actually.

• 1:02:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, if y'all see somebody going on a mouth tour, don't go. Close your mouth up. Don't let them put their fingers in there. Don't let them do it.

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  Because they'll just nail glue in your mouth.

• 1:02:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 1:02:50Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, this is horrible. This is disgusting.

• 1:02:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it is. I mean, he he is like, kind of like iconic, but...

• 1:02:56Speaker 06

  He's got very sad eyes.

• 1:02:57Laci Mosley?

  He's so diabolical for this, like... Yeah, his eyes are very sad. I mean, imagine having to spend your life on the run.

• 1:03:05Speaker 06

  But also, what's interesting is that he's in, he's in, he's behind bars, and so he doesn't have access to his dental equipment, and his mouth is closed. And I wonder what's going on in his mouth.

• 1:03:12Laci Mosley?

  His mouth is closed, and when we first saw him, his mouth was open.

• 1:03:16Speaker 06

  He had his big smile.

• 1:03:17Laci Mosley?

  And he was smiling.

• 1:03:18Speaker 06

  I bet his teeth are full enough.

• 1:03:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm so sorry, Brandon. Brandon, part of this is your mama's fault, because why would she name you that? But here we are. We'll see what happens with Brandon.

• 1:03:31Speaker 06

  I can't wait.

• 1:03:32Laci Mosley?

  Shauna, what do you think about Brandon? What do you think? Like, should he get time for this?

• 1:03:37Speaker 06

  Oh, I'm not a lawyer. Um, and I'll not be making any legal claims on behalf of anybody. I'm not media trained, but I know that. I, I mean, I hope all of them people with nail nail glue in their mouths get it out. And four million dollars, like, that's crazy.

• 1:03:56Laci Mosley?

  That's a lot of money.

• 1:03:57Speaker 06

  He's been stealing from people.

• 1:03:59Laci Mosley?

  I mean, he technically was doing the service.

• 1:04:09Laci Mosley?

  I wish I could see the face of my mother. She would've made me like, was he?

• 1:04:14Speaker 06

  No, I think if you, yeah, he shaved the teeth down, that's for sure.

• 1:04:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 1:04:19Speaker 06

  Who knows what he put on top?

• 1:04:21Laci Mosley?

  God, this has really awoken a lot of things for me. Well, we always ask at the end of the show.

• 1:04:25Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:04:26Laci Mosley?

  Where would you like to be found? So any social medias, any shows, anything you want people to watch, see you at, whatever.

• 1:04:33Speaker 06

  I know I have to, and yes, please watch The Pit. Please watch The Lesbian Space Princess, that's out now. Birdie does that now. Tales from Out of Suburbia is also out. Uh, I think worldwide, it's animation for children. Just in case you were confused. But don't find me anywhere on social, don't find me. Leave me alone.

• 1:04:54Laci Mosley?

  That's all we ask, where do you want to be found? We want to know where you want to be found.

• 1:04:58Speaker 06

  Find me in your heart with some kindness, thank you.

• 1:05:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:05:01Speaker 06

  But social media, get off social media, take a walk with your friends, call your loved ones.

• 1:05:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes. You guys can find me at D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. You can find me on Scam Goddess Pod if you want to look at all of these photos of Brandon from when he was so joyous doing his illegal mouth work to when he got caught up in the jailhouse and he looked so sad with his mouth closed, you know.

• 1:05:27Speaker 06

  I can't see what's in there.

• 1:05:29Laci Mosley?

  You can watch Going Dutch right now on Fox and on next day Hulu. You can watch Scam Goddess, the television show, on Hulu. You can get my book, Scam Goddess, wherever you buy books or download books or whatever you want to do with that. And Scam Goddess, we're going on our Live Nation mini tour. So in the spring, I'm gonna be in your cities, Chicago, San Francisco, New York City, Irving, Texas, that's Dallas, Texas, y'all. That's my hometown. If y'all don't show y'all's fucking asses for that show, I swear to God, I'm gonna come in like John Wick and act like y'all killed my dog and whoop everybody's asses. You better show the fuck up for Dallas, Texas, okay? Um, and then I'm going back to Cobb's Comedy Theater in San Francisco.

• 1:06:14Laci Mosley?

  Y'all know we have a good time. And that's the one that I'm gonna record because I know how y'all act and I love how y'all act, act up. All right, congregation, I want y'all to get out there and I want you to stay.

• 1:06:27Laci Mosley?

  Certificating. Make your own certificates, guys. Okay? It just takes a printer and a border. And a dream. And a dream. And maybe some thick paper that's not white. A little cream that really gives it credence. A serafont. Yes, a serafont, yes. Y'all get out there and y'all certificate, okay? Yeah, certify stuff. I believe in you. You can be a dentist if you want.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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