Fraud Friday: The Fake Fossil Finder w/ Adam Conover

In this week's Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by Adam Conover (Adam Ruins Everything) to discuss amateur British archeologist Charles Dawson, who committed one of the greatest frauds in all of archaeological history. Plus, “Yellowstone” actress Q’orianka Kilcher has been charged with two felony counts of workers’ compensation fraud. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 09/19/2022) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Adam Conover: @adamconover Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.livescience.com/56327-piltdown-man-hoax.html https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/feb/05/piltdown-man-archaeologys-greatest-hoax https://people.com/tv/qorianka-kilcher-insurance-fraud-case-everything-to-know/

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:15Speaker 01

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• 1:31Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:13Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and we're back with another installment of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them, but someone I definitely do not hate, and I'm very, what? Yes, excited for on the podcast. I really, truly am. This is a great get, huge get. I've been on many Zoom with this man for many years. So what's, what's one more Zoom? Guys, we have an amazing guest for the show today. He's the host of the podcast, Factually. He's the creator and host of Adam Ruins Everything with all past episodes streaming meal on HBO Max. Plus, check out his new documentary entitled The G Word,

• 2:57Laci Mosley?

  streaming now on Netflix. Congregation, please welcome Adam Conover to the show. What's up, Adam? You about to ruin scams?

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Hello, Lacey. I don't know. I don't know if I can ruin scams. They're pretty, they're pretty much already ruined by you every day on the show.

• 3:13Laci Mosley?

  I do try to ruin the scams. I'm very inspired by you. I do have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? It can be that you love them, you hate them. Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever ran some scams that you could talk about legally now?

• 3:28Speaker 03

  I've been scammed once. I've been scammed once. Back when I first moved to Los Angeles, and I had just learned to drive. I had barely, I learned to drive in my 30s. I moved to LA, and I have since quit.

• 3:38Laci Mosley?

  You're a New Yorker.

• 3:39Speaker 03

  Partially because I'm a New Yorker. Yeah. Partially because of this story, I eventually quit, but I had scraped my car in the parking garage, you know, against a pillar, like the back, one of the back passenger doors was scraped, right? So I'm driving through Hollywood with a scrape. I don't give a shit. It's a 2010 Prius. I don't care. It's all scraped up. But this guy pulls up next to me and he yells, "Hey, I can, I can fix your door. I can fix your door. Come, come with me. I'll fix your door." And I'm like, "Okay, I mean, if you can fix my door, all right, cool." And I pull over. He jumps out of whatever van he was in, pulls out some kind of weird solvent, rubs it over the door, and scrubs it. Just makes the whole thing look worse. Just like removes some of the paint, some even more of the paint that was all

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Already off. And then I was like, how much money is this? I handed him some money and he was like, no, you gotta give me more money. Let's go to an ATM together. And then I was like, I'm not going to an ATM with you.

• 4:35Laci Mosley?

  This is no.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  This is very bad. I've already seen, you already lied to me about being able to fix the door. My, my fault, sir, for believing in the first place that a guy pulling out next to me in traffic would be able to fix my scrape, scrape door. But I'm not going with you to an ATM now. Um.

• 4:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm glad you stopped it. Right. Fooled me once, but also we're very similar in the fact that like, if I went with a shady man to let him like, put a, a, a patch on my scraped up car, I would have paid the motherfucker too, even though he ruined your car. Like you pay somebody to like, fuck it up more. But I would have done the same thing. It would have felt awkward. I'm like, well, thank you for your service. I didn't really vet you. So, I mean, how do I do Yelp from the street? Like, have y'all ever been on Santa Monica and somebody yelled at you for services? How would you vet that guy? You know?

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, he tried, you know, like you, you go to a food, you eat, you try, you go to a restaurant, you go to a restaurant, you try the food, it doesn't taste good, you still pay him at the end, you know? And that's basically my experience. Well, all right. It was an honest scam. You know what I mean? He, it was pretty straightforward. He, he did a good job getting my like 60 bucks from me, but I wasn't going to give him anymore.

• 5:44Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, for the effort and for the hustle, scamming is a job. So you paid him, he did his profession to you, which is crime. And then you both move on, but he got a little greedy trying to go to the ATM, trying to see how far he could push it. So I'm glad that you didn't go anywhere with this man. But as someone who used to drive like a car that was so fucked up, um, like so fucked up, and I didn't even care either, Adam. I would go to valet with my fucked up car. I pull in, hemming and hawing, bumper hanging off the shit. And I remember, you know, like the valet dudes, they always have to walk around your car and like do the little marks so they can be like, this shit was already here. You can't say that we scratched it when we brought it back. And I remember looking at one of them, dead in his face, because he was doing the marks and the shit was just starting to, I was like, it was more marked than, than the photo of the car. I'm like, it's gonna be black in a second. And I was like, sir, look at me.

• 6:29Laci Mosley?

  Do you think I'm gonna come out here with the, with the, the hand mirror that I have taped? To the driver's side, um, mirror. Do you think I would come out here and try to say y'all fucked my car up? He was like, no, I was like, yeah, go park that raggedy shit. Hopefully it comes back.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Look, if you were good, if you were good enough of a scammer to pull that off and be suing valets for scratching your car, you wouldn't have such a fucked up car because you'd be able to use your scam money to buy a nicer car. So if your car's that fucked up, well, you, you can't be a very good scammer because you're not doing well in the world.

• 6:59Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you would think that, but I actually did end up having the city pay for that for the whole, they had to give my whole car fixed because one of them accidentally side swiped me on a street. And the car was already fucked up, but they side swiped the whole driver's side. So I was like, oh, yeah, that mirror was also, uh, it was there when I left the car. So yeah, y'all gonna have to fix all of that. Also, I have a neck brace. Um, I, I too was in the car when that was hit. I was trying to get everything from them, but they did pay.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 7:29Laci Mosley?

  They approved that I had a hand mirror as a driver's side.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  This is the best. You're, I, I underrated you. It turns out you're a criminal mastermind. You're ripping off the city. This is brilliant stuff. You're really good. That's really good to get all that for, to know, oh, hold on a second. Now they gotta pay me and they gotta pay for everything. Yeah. And, and my, and all my kids' Christmas presents were destroyed as well. You gotta give me a gift card to Amazon, too.

• 7:55Laci Mosley?

  All my millions in the backseat.

• 7:59Laci Mosley?

  Y'all gotta reimburse me for my millions. Now, if I, if I really wanted to take it up a notch, I should have hopped my ass in front of the car, like underneath, like, ow, my neck, my back.

• 8:10Laci Mosley?

  Who, who's gonna stop me?

• 8:13Laci Mosley?

  But no, I'm sorry that happened to you, but also that's a very common LA scam is like, I used to get very offended because the we buy junk cars people, they were always putting the damn business car on my car. I'm like, what are you trying, like, you're gaslighting me right now. What can take this off your hands? Aren't you embarrassed to drive this? This is very embarrassing.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  You, you, how dare you call my car with a hang off mirror, a junk car? Give me a break.

• 8:39Laci Mosley?

  Right. And then what are you gonna really do for me? It's just whenever anybody soliciting business like that out on the street, I already know it's a little shady, but sometimes, I don't know, you luck up and maybe they're an artisan and they could have fixed the car, but this guy, no. But I'm glad you didn't go to the ATM.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  This has happened during daylight? Was it bright out?

• 8:58Speaker 03

  This was like, I was like on my way to work and this happened. Like I pulled over and made myself late in order to get scammed. That's how big of a sucker I am.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  I'm very trusting. I'm a very trusting person.

• 9:11Laci Mosley?

  If you're late, you're supposed to come in with Starbucks, not even worse scratch on your car at $60 less. I don't want this for you. I don't want this for you. Scam!

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• 10:33Speaker 01

  Report if you have a parasitic infection, common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or fluke-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 10:53Laci Mosley?

  And it's time for what's hot and fried. As you guys know, this is when we warn you guys about scams that are popping in the zeitgeist or more often than not these days, we get a letter from you all. As always, snitch on your friends and family and your enemies at scamgotispod at gmail dot com. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. So Adam, I need a fake name for this person. We don't care about gender on this show. Could be anything.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  Uh Mortimer Ohulahan.

• 11:23Laci Mosley?

  Mortimer Ohulahan. Wow. He could Mortimer could be anybody. Could be white, could be from the aisle.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:31Laci Mosley?

  Could be oldest white man.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Mortimer could be any, anybody from any.

• 11:34Laci Mosley?

  On Wall Street.

• 11:35Speaker 03

  A lot of women named Mortimer too.

• 11:38Laci Mosley?

  Really? Where?

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Maybe. I don't know. Could be.

• 11:43Laci Mosley?

  Your whole career is like telling people facts about stuff. You cannot scam me like that. I will believe anything you say.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Not on this show. No, on this show.

• 11:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you acted different over here. Okay. Cause I've, I've even quoted you on this show when you were talking, uh, you had that Twitter thread that was great about how we should also ask for room service at hotels. Because hotels are getting away with like short staffing, the people who are like cleaning the rooms and they're not having to pay them or clean the rooms. So it's like, we should be calling.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Yes. Not, not room ser- not room service.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  Not room service, but like um. Yeah, room cleaning. That's what I mean. Not like food, but room cleaning.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  Room cleaning. Yeah.

• 12:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Yeah. Cause I was like, until I saw that thread, I thought I was being nice by being like, oh, you know, I can sleep on the same sheets twice. Now I'm like, get these off of me right now. Put all my towels on the floor.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Request it every day, man. I mean, I, it is a struggle sometimes too. I was just at a hotel in New York for a week and they were like, you're going to only have cleaning every other day. And I was like, fine, but I'm going to try to request it. And I went for the first four days with no cleaning because they are really trying to understaff and they're trying to train the customers into thinking we don't need our rooms cleaned every day. Oh, who are we wanting them cleaned? But really they're just trying to reduce their labor. And that's straight from the, uh, from the unions of the hospitality workers who tell you, please, uh, ask for room cleaning every day if you, if you are a hotel.

• 13:06Laci Mosley?

  If you're traveling out there these days, you know, even if it's the Motel Six, they leaving the light off for you, so you leave the light off for the cleaning too, okay? Everybody's helping everybody.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  And you, yeah. And you gotta leave a tip and, and you, and leave a note next to the tip that says, this is a tip for housekeeping. So, nobody can doubt that that's what it is.

• 13:25Laci Mosley?

  Yep. And then if you want to do an extra measure, when I leave the tip, I'll go by the front desk and I'll be like, oh, by the way, I left the tip for housekeeping. Like just so, who knows, if anybody else walks in there, but in the meantime, in between time, they're not trying to steal the coins that I left.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  For specific people.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 13:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz you know, everybody's trying to get theirs out here. Can't be mad at that. So Mortimer says, hi Lacey, I'm just gonna get right to the scam and nice for what? Please call me Pia Pa for the scam. Okay, well Mortimer, your name is Mortimer now, but we'll give you a middle name. Mortimer Pia Pa Ohulahan, the longest name we've ever had for anybody on this show. Definitely a fake name. Um.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  Pia Pa.

• 14:07Laci Mosley?

  And I am be, yes, and you're obviously listen to the show cuz I ask people to, if you want to say nice things or tell me things about your life, put it at the end. So, thank you for remembering. So, I wanted to do the right this for once and complete all my work without being asked. Okay, Hulahan, you could have proofread this, but I'm thinking you were trying to say I wanted to do the right thing for once and complete all my work without being asked. Okay, so you've been a good employee. So, I had a lot left over Friday afternoon. So, I decided to come in Saturday morning to knock it out and be done with it for the weekend. Me being the good employee I am, I forgot to email my boss to clear me arriving on Saturday, but I assumed it would be okay anyways.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  So, I wake up early, smile on my face. Okay, come on capitalism. Not on a Saturday. I'm not smiling if I gotta go to work, bitch. My mouth must be looking like, smile.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  This person is volunteering to go into work on a Saturday. Didn't tell anybody just to get work done and they're waking up with a smile. This, this person is a sucker already. This person, I can tell they're getting scammed without even hearing anybody else do anything.

• 15:12Laci Mosley?

  Or are they a schemer? Cause I'm like, in, not in this economy, am I getting up on anybody Saturday? Okay. Not the Sabbath or that Sunday, but not Saturday, Sunday, none of that. None of these days you're getting work out of me. But you know, let's see where it goes. Cause I'm intrigued. It could be what you said, Adam. It could be like this person, Mortimer's getting played or like maybe they about to do the playing. I don't know yet. Let's see. So I woke, I woke up with a smile on my face and waste two hours of my weekend time to scan some damn papers. Two hours, Lacey. So I finish up feeling all accomplished and whatnot and go enjoy the rest of my weekend.

• 15:54Laci Mosley?

  Fast forward to Monday, times are being checked and I know my manager is about to be happy that I came in and put my best foot forward. But no, I get an email telling me overtime is not approved. Mind you, I was under my 40 weekly hours I'm supposed to have. My manager then asked me for an email that I definitely forgot to send. So I had to put on my scam goddess hat and pull out my scam bible to write the best forwarded email I've ever sent.

• 16:21Laci Mosley?

  So Mortimer says, here's an email. It's my personal account because you know, after hours I can't get on my business account because it'd be lacking. So you just go have to take this email from, um, Hatmail. It's very legitimate. I got an AOL.com email for you. It's definitely work related. So.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. The boss asked in front of everyone if I sent the email and I said, no, and bust out laughing in her face. Because if she was as smart as she looked, then she would notice the company email I told her and email from my personal account are not the same. Okay. So what I'm getting from what I can read here is that your boss was like, did you just send this email from your personal account? You were like, no, why would you say that? No, she crazy. Look at her being crazy and a woman. Are you bleeding right now? You're probably bleeding. That's why you act crazy, huh? Like just gas lighter. Okay. So I got to keep my Saturday time, which I worked for. Plus I got to do a fun scam just because. Thank you. Hope you read my scam. Okay.

• 17:23Laci Mosley?

  So your scam was that you went and worked on the weekend? Mortimer.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  This is, this is, this is a horrible story. I'm really sorry to Mortimer, but you're getting, you're getting scammed that you, you, you unfortunately are the one getting scammed because first of all, okay, there's a lot of things going on here. First of all, Mortimer reveals that they have a 40 hour guarantee of hours that they are not even being provided by their workplace.

• 17:52Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 17:53Speaker 03

  First of all, like she says she's guaranteed 40 hours, or I think is, was it she or is it, uh, they, or who?

• 17:59Laci Mosley?

  Anybody, so Mortimer could be any person, but so we know that the boss is, is identifying as a woman, so you can just say Mortimer, whoever, we don't care.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Okay, so Mortimer, Mortimer P. Poo Ohulahan, was that their name? So they, so they first of all are not getting the hours that they've been promised. Then they go in on the weekend to do extra work and then they're, they like weirdly get in trouble, like, oh, you can't get overtime, but they haven't gotten their full 40 hours yet, it's not overtime, and then they're asked to provide an email and now Mortimer Ohulahan, I'm sorry that you're suffering from something that is called, uh, internalized capitalism, where you believe that you owe them all of these forms and emails in order to prove that you deserve the money you obviously already deserve.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  And so you, you think you pulled off a scam to just, you know, with all these emails, they're, they're scamming you, you should need to send them emails in order just to get your 40 damn hours a week. But you're going on on the weekend and they're still, they're saying, prove to me that we should pay you your 40 hours a week that we already owe you? Fuck them, quit your job, get out of this place, this is a toxic work environment. That's what I think.

• 19:10Laci Mosley?

  Yes, come on, preach. Also, Mortimer, I hope when you win it on Saturday, you at least stole four staplers. Like, don't, don't be in there just. Just working and then leaving. I hope you got some current K packs. You took all the La Croix's out the fridge, several mugs. You know, I hope that, you know, you were also getting something out of this other than just working on your off time. Because that's not fair to you. And these companies, they don't care about us. It's only family when they need something from you. If you need anything from them, they like, who, hello? No, we're a business.

• 19:40Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 19:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, everybody wanna be Olive Garden when you're here, your family, when they need you to work overtime. Or if you, you can't go to a funeral because you got hours, they don't be family. But then let your ass need something. They're like, uh, family, no, we get ancestry. We are not related, twenty-three and who, you know, not us. Get back to work. And if you don't, they'll replace you.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Now you're preaching.

• 20:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. You know, so I hope that Mortimer, like, I feel like the scam here is that you like, under capitalism, they will try to like, not pay you for your work. So I guess the scam is that you got paid for your work, but why is that a scam? Why do you have to lie to people to get compensated for your work?

• 20:21Speaker 03

  This is, this is a sad case, Lacey. I'm sorry to say, it's a sad, sad case.

• 20:26Laci Mosley?

  Blink twice, Mortimer, if you need help. You need us to come break you out of your job?

• 20:33Laci Mosley?

  Because we got you. We will show up and I will steal staplers and office supplies. I could roll out of there with a chair. I could get a chair in the elevator, the lumbar support chair.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Mortimer is still the hero of this story, but Mortimer is being oppressed by systems that Mortimer does not yet fully comprehend. And Mortimer needs to go to, you know, it needs to get radicalized and go galaxy brain and start understanding the mechan- the mechanisms of capitalism that is holding Mortimer down. That's, that's my diagnosis.

• 21:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Because Mortimer, you sound like a hard worker, because whenever I had nine to fives or anything where I could clock in and out, oh bitch, when it hit four fifty-nine, the laptop was closing. I was putting things in my purse, some that belonged to me, some newly belonging to me and leaving. And not thinking about it at all, all weekend. I dare you. But now I work for myself and the, I work all the time. I need to be a better boss to myself, but.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Oh, that's the worst. We're scamming ourselves in the entertainment industry here by we're just constantly putting pressure. You never get to clock out when you're your own boss. Oh, boy.

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  Mm hmm. That's your brain. That is your brain not clocking out. And I'm like, sis, we need, we need a break.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  And that's some internalized capitalism. I got it real bad.

• 21:47Laci Mosley?

  And that, and I hope you know that more and more, like, we're not judging you. We're also on this hamster wheel because what we were born here. What else were we supposed to do? Not, you know, like, we didn't have a choice. And also, I don't consider myself scamming the city when they paid to get my car fixed because I give them motherfuckers so much money. And, and not a pothole has been filled. And next time they fill something with cement, I want them to sign the names of the taxpayers on it. I need to see an initial or something. I need to just know where some of the money is going. Okay? Start naming streets after regular people. Okay, this is, this is now Jenny Lawson. Yeah, she live up, she live up on Grand. Yeah, no, it's called Jenny Lawson Street. Now she pay a lot of taxes. She, she gets a lot of tickets.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  I love that. Yeah, I mean, hell, yeah. Every time, every time you get a parking ticket, they should name whatever they paid with that parking ticket with after you.

• 22:42Laci Mosley?

  Right. We should always have a meter. We should have a meter dedicated in our honor at least. I think that's fair.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  I want my own parking meter. Absolutely.

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• 24:28Laci Mosley?

  And we're back and it's time for a story called "Breaks." This is where I will regale Adam with a famous Connor Caper. He will interrupt all the way through with his thoughts and opinions and musings. And maybe we get off topic, maybe we don't. You know how it goes here. Today, we're talking about, we're going back in time, which is something I try to do when I have higher-profile guests, you guys, because the living scammers, they like to get on Twitter. They like to get on Instagram. So, we're not going back to those days. So, we're talking about February 1912, Adam. So, there's an amateur British archaeologist named Charles Dawson, who claimed to have discovered the missing evolutionary link between apes and humans in a portion of a human skull

• 25:13Laci Mosley?

  he had dug up in Piltown, Sussex. The larger collection of fossils later found were thus dubbed "The Piltown Man." They would also come to be dubbed "One of the Greatest Frauds in Archaeology." I don't know much about archaeology, other than they be having them little brushes and then they like brush all the dirt off and maybe Indiana Jones.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're they're always doing makeup on the bones.

• 25:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? They're just sort of giving them a nice blush and foundation on all the little bones in the hole.

• 25:46Laci Mosley?

  Yes, that's what I know about them.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  I think I've heard the Piltdown Man, I've heard this name before. I don't know much about it, but I've heard of this Piltdown.

• 25:53Laci Mosley?

  Of course you have. You're very well read, Adam. Like, if you've never watched the show, like, guys, come on, if you want to seem real smart at dinner parties and have new information to share with the world, like, watch Adam Ruins Everything. If you don't have a personality, watch Adam Ruins Everything and you gonna get your a pop of personality right there, okay? You'll be the coolest person at the salon. Okay, everybody's drinking red wine and.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  Okay, hold on a second.

• 26:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm guaranteeing that you will get a personality if you watch.

• 26:22Speaker 03

  This is casting aspersions on my audience to say they don't have.

• 26:25Laci Mosley?

  They did it. I'm just saying that you will get.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. No.

• 26:32Speaker 03

  You'll get one.

• 26:34Laci Mosley?

  That's my guarantee.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  That my fans already have personalities, very fine personalities, but their personalities are enhanced and improved by watching the show.

• 26:43Laci Mosley?

  I was not saying your fans are devoid of personality, Adam. Wow, see how my words get twisted against me. It turns against me. I'm a victim.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  That's my scam.

• 26:53Laci Mosley?

  So finding the bones. I do want to say real quick, though, the bone stuff has become interesting to me because did you see on Twitter when there was that guy who like he he collects human vertebrae and like skulls and bones and stuff like of humans and he has like a whole closet of like vertebrae and like all types of shit. There's a guy on TikTok, I can't remember his name, I'll I'll try to pull it in the footnotes for you guys, but he just collects and apparently you can do that. I'm like, aren't these people, put these people back. Put them back in the dirt. What are you supposed to be? I don't think you should even collect that.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  No, we don't need to be having human bones in our closets.

• 27:27Laci Mosley?

  Because I know for studying, like, okay, if we're like repairing, but like a lot of the information we get scientifically does come from cadavers and people who donate their bodies to science. But I'm like, if you just dug this up, I feel like you need to just put it back. Like, that's one thing. Like, what if we got, like, what's the moratorium? Like, how long do you have to wait before digging up somebody's science? Cause it's not like a week.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  I'm donating my body to the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA when I die. I filled out a whole form. I got it notarized. And when I die, they get my whole body and the scientists there, or honestly, the students there will cut me up for uh, prac- for surgery practice. So I'm all about it. You can use my bones for whatever the fuck you want. I don't give a shit. Uh, and you know what? Maybe that means I'll use other people's bones too. I'm not really uh, precious about it.

• 28:17Laci Mosley?

  So Adam, if you ended up in this guy's closet and they were like, this is Adam's uh, vertebrae right here, like one of the best. He never had scoliosis. Like, are you cool with that? Like you being in somebody's closet in their apartment?

• 28:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm not around. That's just, that's just like, uh, you know, if you go to the barber and they cut your hair, who, what do you care with what they do with what's on the floor of the barber shop? You know what I mean? They could uh, keep it in the back and, you know, in a big bag and hug it and sleep on it at night. I don't give a shit. It's off of me. It's not part of me anymore. That's how I feel about my vertebrae and my skull and all that other stuff after I die. They can do whatever the hell.

• 28:50Laci Mosley?

  You heard it here first. I can have Adam's vertebrae whenever, whenever you want it. Well, I guess when he die.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  When I die, it's on my body. I'm using it right now, but later on, you know, I'm the kind of guy, I donated everything to Goodwill, so I'll do the same thing with my bones, you know?

• 29:07Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay. I could, I could see science. I just couldn't do it just to be like in somebody closet. Like that's not, I deserve more than that. Okay. I deserve good lighting. I want the full makeup, brushing off my bones, like, you know?

• 29:22Speaker 03

  You wanna be, you wanna be in the bodies exhibit.

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and pose me up cute. Yes.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:29Laci Mosley?

  That's where I think that, that, you know, being shown off, then, then I'd be more down. Yes. Just giving the fiercest skeletal pose, okay?

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, what kind of, if it was your skeleton, what kind of pose would you wanna be in? What, what pose would you choose for your skeleton to be in for children to come see?

• 29:46Laci Mosley?

  For children to come see? Why you have to say that? Now, now that's really limiting. Okay, I, I feel like I just give like a good model pose, like two hands on the hips for like bringing the shoulders forward, like a good, you know, oh, you know, uh, maybe a high kick, you know, I want the girls to remember I can do a split. My bones in a split, you know, these are.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:07Laci Mosley?

  Entertainment.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  How come, how come you go to the museum, you never see the bones doing anything interesting like a splitter, a high kick. That's what we need to see at the Natural History Museum.

• 30:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, why they got the bones all basic like that? Like just sitting there or even the dinosaur bones? I'm like, give me a little rare or something like, you know, give us some drama like. Yes. So finding the bones. Charles was known as the Wizard of Sussex because of his great skill at finding archaeological treasures around the county. He was also a contemporary and a friend of Arthur Conan Doyle, which may have lent to his sense of adventure. So it was therefore not unusual that one night he had been out on a nightly stroll at Barkham Manor in Piltdown, when he noticed unusual pieces of flint through a pile of gravel used for road construction. So he's like walking down the street, you know, probably after the function and he's like, oh, that's weird.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  Is it bones coming out of that? Um, how?

• 31:05Laci Mosley?

  He believed that the oddly shaped rocks might point to findings in the area. Later, an unidentified laborer who had been keeping an eye out for him presented him a portion of a human cranium of immense thickness. Okay, thick, which who sees cranium?

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This guy, hold on a second. This whole thing starts with the guy's like walking around and he sees some mounds and stuff. But then, then a labor, an unidentified laborer hands him the skull. This guy didn't do shit. Who's the laborer who found the skull? What is the, what is this gap in the story? This is like, who?

• 31:45Laci Mosley?

  You know how history goes. He probably stole the skull. Unidentified laborer. It's, it's giving theft. Did you steal the skull from this laborer? I'm not sure if labor is also rude. Like you couldn't get the, the man's name when you were stealing the skull from him? I guess, shout. So it may.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  You can't steal the credit if you know his name.

• 32:05Laci Mosley?

  That's true. That takes away your like.

• 32:09Laci Mosley?

  That's your one rule for theft of of credit and pads. Like if I'm no, I can't humanize them. Okay. No kissing on the mouth.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:16Laci Mosley?

  Just steal. So in May, Charles friend and keeper of geology at the Natural History Museum, Arthur Smith Woodward, took charge of Charles's findings. He concluded that they belonged to a brand new, previously unknown early human name, Eonthropus Dawsoni. Okay. Or Don Man. Dawson's Don Man is what people called it colloquially. And that's what I'm gonna call it. Cause I don't know. So an excavation site was opened at Barkham Manor and a series of flint tools were uncovered along with more bone pieces and even an ancient hippopotamus tooth or multiple teeth.

• 32:57Laci Mosley?

  Which hippopotamus is hippopotami? Hippo hippos.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  Hippopotami. Hippopotami. Yeah. It's hippopotami. Yeah.

• 33:07Laci Mosley?

  They have the best PR team because those things are murderous and aggressive, but we always thought they were cute as children. Hippos are out here doing murders to people. Okay. They're a game.

• 33:17Speaker 03

  Hippos. Hippos are the most dangerous animal. They'll kill you so quickly. They're so big and they'll trample you and they'll bite you. They're so strong.

• 33:26Laci Mosley?

  They can swim hella fast.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. They're like elephants.

• 33:30Laci Mosley?

  What about an elephant with Michael Phelps?

• 33:34Laci Mosley?

  And pain. Cause what are you even murdering me for hippo? You don't even like human meat. You just kill it for fun. What's wrong with y'all?

• 33:41Speaker 03

  Did you ever see this videos on the internet years ago of these people who had an had a hippo in their house, a full grown hippo? And it would, it would, it lived outside, but it would come into their kitchen and it would open its mouth and go, ah, and they would just shovel food into it. They would just shovel in lettuce and vegetables and like fully cooked meals. And I was watching this going like, you guys don't realize this hippo is gonna kill you pretty soon. This hippo is gonna tear up your house and murder you. As soon as you don't, as soon as you stop pouring cabbage in there. Exactly. Exactly. It's a horrifying video. You can go look it up.

• 34:17Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm gonna, I have to look at that because you're not supposed to keep wild animals like that as pets. And y'all be thinking like, oh, they like me. Like we have a connection. No bitch. They're like, you giving me food right now. Now don't run out of lettuce. Cause that's your ass. Like you're being shook down.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 34:32Laci Mosley?

  You're being extorted.

• 34:33Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 34:34Laci Mosley?

  By a murderer.

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:36Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  This totally also, by the way, this, this family is a white South African family, by the way, who has the hippo. So these are totally some white people going out of South Africa being like, oh, all the animals here love us. You know what I mean?

• 34:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And when they say that, they're including the black people. So.

• 34:55Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 34:58Laci Mosley?

  Cause.

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  You know, the shout out to the, the South Africans, the ones of y'all who aren't racist. Anyways, so the story finally broke in Manchester Guardian in November of 1912, an article called "The Discovered Skull: By Far The Earliest Trace Of Mankind That Has Yet To Be Found In England." So, you know, we know about Lucy in Africa. I don't know, had Lucy been discovered by this time? Someone look that up for me. Um, but that was considered to be like the oldest human remains that we had found. So now England's like, we got, we got old bones too. No, we just found a new, he hella did. Like, um, we're in the race. So in the ensuing weeks, Arthur continued to release details that were generally approved by the scientific community. Only one scientist, anatomist David Waterson,

• 35:45Laci Mosley?

  voiced doubt. So he had one hater and it was David. Okay. And David was like, I don't know, y'all. Something ain't looking funny in the light. But they're like, shut up, David. We finally got some discovery. Shut up, David. So.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  David, you get, you absolute get, David.

• 36:04Laci Mosley?

  In it. Okay.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  Shut up.

• 36:05Laci Mosley?

  Things. So Lucy was discovered in the seventies. So at the time, this is, you know, the most popping thing, I guess, you know, for medical science or not medical science, but like, you know, for science and research, science or whatever. So he noted, this is David, he noted that the cranium looked human, but the jawbone looked like a chimpanzee's. So David was like, I don't even think this is a human skull, y'all. Like. He was like, it's not giving human. No one else agreed, mostly because there had not been any recent major findings in Great Britain and paleontologists were all desperate for a major discovery. Which that desperation, we talk about that a lot when it comes to a scam, how bad do you need it?

• 36:45Laci Mosley?

  And if you need something really badly, you have to really assess why you are willing to take certain risks, because if you're letting that need drive you, then you're ignoring the red flags and the things that don't make sense. You know what I mean? Like, homeboy was like, that skull had a banana in his hand. And everybody's like, no, it's a human. Shut up, David. Cause like paleontology and like archaeology are careers that I feel like, just like marine biology, when you're a kid and people are like, what do you want to do when you grow up? It's like the most arbitrary shit, but you've seen it in books. So you're like, yeah, I want to be a marine biologist or archaeologist. But it's like, to a certain extent, if they don't make any major discoveries or findings, then that funding is gonna go down. Cause we just play, we pay y'all to play in the dirt, bitch. We, we got real problems.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. These are not glamorous jobs. My dad was a marine biologist and it's not a glamorous job. He, he mostly counted the size of fish. He had a big vat of fish and he counted how big they were. That was the whole job.

• 37:37Laci Mosley?

  But when you see it, it was like Free Willy as a kid. They told me we was gonna be Free and Willy and we was gonna be riding on the back of the killer whale. So I was like, cute, I'm involved. Yeah, a wet suit. That's a great look for me. But when you really find out what it is, like how much education you have to have, and then what you're really doing is so meticulous. I was like, wait a minute. So that we ain't going swimming. Now you don't put a song around here.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  But this period, in the period nineteen twelve, when the Piltdown Man was happening, it was just a bunch of old, rich guys, like pretending to be paleontologists in the first place. They were just like, yeah, I go out there with my brushes. Look, I found a bone. Like they were swashbuckling, just rich dudes, uh, doing this as a hobby. So they, they did a pretty dumb, dumb version of paleontology in the first place, a lot of them.

• 38:21Laci Mosley?

  Truly, and also that's the thing about why people shouldn't be so rich. Once you get to a certain point of wealth, you just start collecting random shit. Oh, these are pens. This is the pen that Abraham Lincoln used. Who the fuck told you that lie? Like, you just start collecting shit because you don't know what to do with the money because you shouldn't have that much fucking money. That's why. So, you know, they're rich as hell. They're out here playing in the dirt for funsies, getting their lives. So, other countries have found plenty of evidence of early humans, but there hadn't been no such great discoveries in Britain to both embarrassment and frustration. So, all the other countries are finding, you know, the gold and the mummies and they're digging up all the dead.

• 38:59Laci Mosley?

  And the UK is like, um, uh, we got, um, spotted dick and, um, the worst breakfast you've ever tasted. But no scientific discoveries. So, this is their chance. One French paleontologist was even noted to have called British paleontologists chasseurs de cailloux. What does that mean? Or pebble hunters. Well, not y'all throwing shade in the paleo community. It's like, bitch, they over there digging up rocks, like ghetto.

• 39:30Laci Mosley?

  So, I understand the desperation. They're like, no, we got something. We on the map. So, the pinto skull, or excuse me, the Piltdown Skull gave Britain a foothold in the discovery of early man. The skull also served to support a specific theory of evolution upheld by English paleontologists that growing brains was what drove human evolution. Their theory was that our brains would have expanded early in our evolution and fossil skulls, such as the one found in Piltdown, would support that, right? So, this is also supporting, now you're taking information and confirming your own biases with it instead of looking at that information objectively because you're like, we gotta get on the map, y'all. Okay, all we're known for right now is incest.

• 40:11Laci Mosley?

  And like really old Marnakes are just like cousins, fuck it. Like, we gotta have something revolutionary, like first man, cool. So it had a huge brain case, but primitive teeth erroneously implying that cranial expansion happened early in mankind's evolution. So in truth, brains came late to humanity, but finding the largest early human skull appeared to Britain's sense of nationalism, and thus the history was heavily, you know, interrogated, or was not heavily interrogated. Cause again, they're like, we wanna win, we need a W. So despite distant whispers and excavation, the excavations continued and England celebrated the discovery. So they're like, shut up, shut up. Yeah, we know it's a monkey. Like, I heard the skull say, oh, no, you didn't.

• 40:59Laci Mosley?

  Let us have this.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  It's really hard to convince people a hoax isn't true when they want it to be true. That's the real, that's the real problem.

• 41:07Laci Mosley?

  And that's the issue with a lot of scams is if you're in too deep and you've tied your identity to the nationalism, it's like you want this to be true. It would be embarrassing otherwise. So August nineteen thirteen, influential Jesuit scholar, Father Pierre Tellhard de Chardin, y'all gonna give me names this episode, joined the excavation team and found a canine tooth supposedly from the larger skeleton. So now they're just finding any old teeth bones and being like, yeah, this, this also is.

• 41:36Speaker 03

  Is that supposed to be the tooth what you just opened?

• 41:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  That is so big.

• 41:41Laci Mosley?

  You know how teeth be, you know how teeth be when you're human.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  I know how teeth be, two feet long.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  These are ridiculous. These don't look like teeth or bones or anything. These look like, I, I don't even know, fossilized pieces of wood? What the hell? This is ridiculous.

• 41:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. At this point, they're just saying anything, doing anything. So they eventually also found a large slab of bone dubbed the cricket bat in name only. But the idea that this early Englishman had actually played a rudimentary form of cricket became popular. So now they're just making anything up. They're like, he, we found that the first man, he was definitely British. He was super white. He loved cricket and tea.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he, he played a little bit of footy and he

• 42:34Speaker 03

  I don't know, I get, sorry, my English, my British accent sucks. I'm gonna participate in the bit, but it fucking sucks, Lacey. And I, and I'm embarrassing myself. You have such a beautiful accent. I believe that, that you have spent time in London. Me, I'm like doing an impression of like a BBC Fawlty Towers I saw 15 years ago.

• 42:53Laci Mosley?

  And I love that. No, don't be. I love that for both of us. I do lots of terrible accents on this show. And the Brits are gonna come for me. It's, it's fine. They know what's happening over here. I'm disrespectful. So, so by 1915, Dawson's Don Man had become an established scientific fact. Charles benefited greatly and was now known as one of the world's greatest archaeologists. He would have been knighted.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  This is ridiculous.

• 43:20Laci Mosley?

  They believe he was playing cricket. They believe.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 43:25Laci Mosley?

  Everything. So he would have been knighted with Arthur Smith Woodward had he not died of sepsis in 1916, along with many of his secrets, for it turns out the wizard may have not been entirely truthful. Well done. I do like that he pedally died with his secrets, though. Like, more people need to die with their secrets. Yeah, so blood infection, yeah. I mean, you could die of anything in the early 1900s. You could die of tripping, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, he died of rock. There was a rock in the road and he tripped and then he died. He died of rock. Anything. A strong breeze.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  Died at 52, died a young man. Uh, you know, that's, that's too bad. Even though he's a scammer, you know, I feel bad for him.

• 44:11Laci Mosley?

  No, for sure. Cause like, I wish that he got to scam harder. I wish that he could have, you know, gone around the world purporting to be the best archaeologists out there. I want, I wanted him to milk it even more. So as it turns out, Charles hadn't been entirely truthful about the Piltdown Man, or more than several dozens of his previous discoveries. So not only was he lying about this man that he got from the unknown laborer, he's also been lying about other discoveries. Before, but I guess those lies weren't hitting as hard. He finally found his sweet spot with this one. So it wasn't known until after his death that he had entirely fabricated his historical account of the Hastings Castle. And that he had come into his estate by pretending to be an official part of the Sussex Archaeological Society, which he was not.

• 44:54Laci Mosley?

  Martin Archaeologist Mike Russell has actually counted thirty eight hoaxes or fabricated finds made by Charles before he discovered Piltdown. So he was on to this man. And he, he hadn't even gotten to the biggest one. Charles was lying about everything.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Jesus.

• 45:14Laci Mosley?

  Like, don't let Charles near none of y'all dirt because he's definitely gonna make a discovery, okay? And your house is gonna belong to the city.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. Oh, look what I found. Oh, a quarter, an ancient quarter down here. Wow.

• 45:29Laci Mosley?

  Charles, I just dropped that.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Genius.

• 45:31Laci Mosley?

  I just dropped that, Charles. I just dropped that quarter. No, look at the how much dirt it got on me.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  It's an incredible, it's an incredible find. And oh, wow, we're gonna need to close this place down and possess your house. Wow. I mean, here, look at me.

• 45:44Laci Mosley?

  Is that the paper? Yeah, I pose. Love it. So according to Russell, he forged axes, statuettes, ancient hammers and Roman tiles. So he was just over here making shit, you know, put rubbing dirt on it, putting it in the oven and telling people it was ancient. Love that for him. Deep down, he craved recognition and created the Piltdown Man as his final act to humiliate those who had looked down on him. So, you know, the French were saying he was just digging up pebbles and shit. Why? People shouldn't look down on you, Charles. You never made anything. How you gonna have ego about literally something you've never done? How are you gonna be mad at other people? Because you actually are bad at your job. They hating on me just because I'm bad at my job, like the fuck?

• 46:28Laci Mosley?

  You sound like the bullies.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  This guy's pathetic. This guy's pathetic. I, I hate him. I hate him.

• 46:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's like, like, what? So, the fabrication of the Piltdown Man came about when English archaeologists theorized they were likely to find an early man in grave pits of southern England. Charles had been walking along one day in nineteen oh eight when he saw a pile of gravel, right, used to build a pond. And he decided that he was gonna stake his greatest life work in that. He actually met Father Pierre the following year, and it's possible the two were accomplices in creating the fossils. Oh, not sure I'll cook in these fossils up together. That's sexy. Still, it would take decades before, I like, I hope they were doing it like on a clay mold and it was very like ghosts. Where they're like arms around each other, like just making fossils like, oh, man. I wanted to be that. I wanted to be steaming.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  It's erotic.

• 47:17Laci Mosley?

  So still, it would take decades before the truth would come out. Throughout the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, real early human fossils were discovered and found to have little in common with any of the Pilton man fossils. Yeah, because that fossil wasn't fucking human. Chemical tests that could help with further investigation were developed in the forties. So honestly, at this time period, they didn't even have the technology to disprove this man. I wish I could have scanned back then, because you could just be saying anything. Who go check you? There's no internet. Yeah, they didn't have testing kits, carbonating.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  There was nobody, there was, there were no, there was no Reddit forum to like pour through everything and figure out where all the mystic. People can't go Johnny Depp on you, you know? Like, people just, you, they see a skull and they're like, oh, I guess it's real. I don't know. This guy says he found it as a gravel. Who's to know?

• 48:03Laci Mosley?

  Right. Who go check the work? Not me. I would have been like, look at this, y'all. We got a skull. We on the map. Cheerio. We did it, Joe. Like, so, the tests, the likes of which had never been conducted on the bones, definitely showed that they were fakes. The upper part of the skull was dated to be only like five hundred years old and the jawbone only a few decades old. So these couldn't have even belonged to the same person or species or whatever this, you know, entity was. But because the bone doesn't even connect to the head, they didn't just randomly found pieces of people. Pieces.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  This is, this is ridic- I'm, I'm so mad about this. People believe this for like 50 years. This is so stupid.

• 48:45Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, look, that's kind of how science goes, right? Like, we believe something until we know that it's factually disproven. That's the reason why the 50s and the, you know, early 60s, like, women were smoking while they were pregnant. Nobody knew that that was bad for the baby. It was like one of my favorite jokes in Hairspray is like, they run in, uh, to a bar and then all these women are smoking and drinking martinis. And then they all turn around and they're like, fully like eight months pregnant.

• 49:12Laci Mosley?

  It's like, you know, science changes. Science be like, my bad. Like, instead of saying my bad, science is always like, according to your research. And it's like, but what happened to the old research? Oh, our bad.

• 49:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we lied, but we telling the truth now. We telling the truth right now.

• 49:30Laci Mosley?

  I love that for science. Cause it's the best way to lie. Like, I don't, there's rarely a time where like, look at the CDC. Like, anything they were telling me, I was like, yes, CDC, go off. Where, where am I hand washing here? Mask here, you know? Ventilation here, yes, queen. And then somebody clearly got to the CDC, cause now they're like, okay, if you got COVID, you can go back to work the same day. And, um.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  I know it's hard to argue with, cause you're not a scientist. You're like, well, this seems a little fishy, but I, I don't know.

• 49:59Laci Mosley?

  I'm out of my depth.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Who am I to say?

• 50:01Laci Mosley?

  Right. And I don't argue with things that I can't refute, you know, to a hundred percent, you know, like, like, why would I do that? That's stupid. A lot of people do it. They like to make their own conjectures and like, make up their own science, but I don't participate in that. You know, so they would get me with this. I would be like, yeah, it looked like a, a old brain to me. Old, but a skull to me, looks good.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  Especially if there's, if there's no other experts around telling, if all the other experts in England are like, yes, yes, very real, very real. I get why we would believe it. I mean, look, we all believed in Elon Musk for like 20 years before we figured out he's a scammer. You know, we were all like, oh, this guy is real smart. He's got good ideas. He's building electric cars and shit. And now we know he's just steals ideas from other people and does asshole and fucks around on Twitter, you know? But it took us a little while to figure it out. Everybody's gullible, so we shouldn't judge the people of the past too harshly.

• 50:52Laci Mosley?

  No, we we don't. And for you billionaire stands with your posters of Elon Musk and your, you know, up on your apartment walls and stuff like I'm sorry about that. Honestly, if he hadn't tried to buy Twitter, he could have kept grifting us by saying he was a genius. But then when he did that Twitter shit, we were like, something is up, sir. You're not, he's not giving smart. Obviously, the man is smart, but like, he didn't invent anything. And so many people think he did. And I had to just prove that to people, like showing them on the internet, like he bought all these companies, y'all. He didn't make PayPal. He didn't make Tesla. And they're like, no, he did. And I was like, no, he didn't. It's okay, y'all. I get it. So the brand is strong. So the teeth in the jaw had been filed down to make them look human, but they actually came from

• 51:34Laci Mosley?

  an orangutan. And the cricket bat was fossilized elephant bone carved with a steel knife. So y'all really should have knew the nigga was lying when he said cricket. Y'all really thought

• 51:44Speaker 03

  Give me a break.

• 51:45Laci Mosley?

  A skeleton with long ass teeth.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  And we found an Xbox controller in there, too. And he loves to play FIFA.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  He actually got, it's it's a note he left in here that says invest in Bitcoin. So we should probably all get into crypto. Because that's what he said from the past. He the first man. And he went up. Because if you ain't first or last, Ricky Bobby, also science. What?

• 52:14Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  The bones around the skull were also broken in such a way that they could be reattached smoothly. So gullible scientists could easily project their assumptions. So they they did like crack the brain, the skull up a little bit so that the girls could have a puzzle because the girls love a puzzle in science. And so then, once they were putting it together, that affirmed their own, you know, egos of like, look how smart we are. We put the the head back together.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  Because they had the they had the suckers do the last step and discover it themselves. The suckers put it back together and said, oh, look, it's all good. Wow, a discovery. And so they, oh, this is a really good scam technique. You have to rope people in and involve them in it. So they think that they're the smart ones.

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  Right, so even if Hater David came over to these, you know, researchers who were presented this broken up skull and he was like, Ayah, I think that's, I think it's a monkey. They're like, get the fuck out of here, Hater David. We all put this skull together. We're geniuses. Like, they were not giving up this grip.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  Again, your accent is so good. It's such a good accent.

• 53:19Laci Mosley?

  You wait till UK congregation steps in because they're, they're gonna drag me, but it's okay. So, scientist Weiner Oakley in Park published their findings in Time Magazine in November nineteen fifty-three and the world finally learned that the Pilton man was a fake. In the end, it was a mix of gullibility, desperation, and traditional British nationalism that duped the world for almost forty years into thinking a Frankenstein set of bones represented early man.

• 53:46Speaker 03

  I mean, forty years is like a long time to be taken in by a fraud. When, when all the scientists of the world were working on this. I am a little bit embarrassed for them, honestly.

• 53:57Laci Mosley?

  Nah, think about how much money they made with people looking at that man. Think how much money they made. Think how the, how the cricket industry probably was really booming after that. They was like, no, we all gotta get out here and play cricket. Lot of fuss, man.

• 54:12Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 54:14Speaker 03

  It, it just makes you wonder what things we believe in today could perhaps be scams by some idiot with a knife and a bunch of old bones, you know?

• 54:23Laci Mosley?

  I mean, a lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of history is revised by, you know, whoever was the most evil and murdered everybody. So there, I'm sure there's so much in our history in our text that is, and, and not even a guess. I'm absolutely positive there is. I mean, even look at what they're trying to do with like, critical race theory, which is a collegiate level course, but like, erasing, which textbooks have done forever, the real history of our country here so that it looks all roses and shit. I went to Maui and we had a personal tour guide and he was super cool, but he was like this old white dude. He's telling us about the island and one of the things he told us is that like when the white man showed up to the island in a boat, the natives were so nice to this white man because they, in their folklore, they thought that God was gonna show up on a boat.

• 55:07Laci Mosley?

  And we had to pause, my guy, because it's just three, four African Americans in a SUV and this man telling us these lies. And we were like, sir, don't give us no more of whatever. I don't know who said that. I don't know who said that, but it just doesn't sound real to me. I just don't think that. I think a lot of colonial, you know, times, white dudes were just like, wow, people are being nice. We're gonna take advantage of them. Like that, that's what happened.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Of course. And there's, there's so much history. You look at so many history stories and it'll come down to, people started telling this story because they wanted to make Great Britain sound great, or they wanted to spread this or that idea. It's always, so much of the history you've been taught is the person who's telling you the history, having a particular version of events that they want you to know, rather than the history itself, including the history that you and I might tell. We, we as well are people in the present day with our own set of, you know, motives and biases. And that's part of what you need to understand about the telling of history inside. Doesn't mean it's all false. It means you need to be aware of that dimension at all times if you don't want to get scammed.

• 56:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And also be aware of that in documentaries about people's lives. If someone is alive and they do a movie about their life or a story about their life or they're involved in it, I always take that with a grain of salt because I'm like, if you're alive, you don't stir skirt over all the, the real tea because you're still here. Like you don't want people to know that. If you're not going full Quincy Jones, I don't want it, you know? So it's just something to be aware of. Like, look at everything. Look at people's motivations for why they're doing things. I, I hate to make y'all all suspicious all the time, but we do need to be suspicious all of the time. But that doesn't mean, don't, that doesn't mean, don't let a man pull you over in the street who says that they can fix your car and, and make yourself late to work. Cause maybe it works out and he fixes your car, you know?

• 56:54Laci Mosley?

  It could work, you know? Try it sometimes. So guys, we gotta go to the saddest part of the episode. The end is where I have to let Adam go, but before he goes, we're gonna do scammer of the week. Real quick, this is where we just highlight a charlatan who's worthy of our praise, or maybe not. Today we're talking about Yellowstone actress Q'orianka Kilchar. She, she's 32 years old and she's been charged with two felony counts of workers' compensation fraud. The actress collected over $96,000 in disability benefits, even though she was working on Yellowstone for several months during the period. She said that she was too injured to work. She self surrendered and Was arraigned in May and pleaded not guilty to the charges. I would have pleaded not guilty to. I'm sorry.

• 57:34Laci Mosley?

  She reportedly reportedly injured her neck and shoulder in 2018 while filming Dora and the Lost City of Gold, a live action adaptation of the children's TV show Dora the Explorer. She saw a doctor a few times over the course of the year, but then stopped going to treatment and did not respond to the insurance company handling her claim. In 2019, she went back to the insurance company and requested treatment, saying that she had been such severe neck pains since the injury occurred that she had to turn down work. Based on her statement, she was paid a temporary total disability benefit of $96,838 between October 2019 and September 2021. Despite her statement, she was found to have worked on Yellowstone from July 2019 to October 2019. The investigation is still going. If convicted, she could face up to five years in state prison and a $50,000 fine for each count that she's charged with.

• 58:20Laci Mosley?

  Um.

• 58:22Laci Mosley?

  Cory, I'm on your side, sis.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 58:26Laci Mosley?

  Acting is hard.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  I'm a little, I'm a little suspicious of this story and, and you know why? Because what was it? You said it was $96,000? All right. Look, this, and when did this happen? This was like over the last couple of years. Look, in the last three years, everybody in Hollywood's been getting PPP loans. You know what I mean? Like everybody's got their loan out corporation. Yep, we're, we're all getting bailed out, all right? And, you know, a lot of people who got PPP loans who shouldn't have gotten them. And that's not great, right? I'm not saying everyone should, should just do that all the time. But like, we're talking about that kind of thing. I don't see why this woman should go to prison for five years for, you know, like, making a, for, for workers' compensation that she shouldn't have taken.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Make her give the money back if you want and, you know, call it a day, in my opinion. And also, I, I, has she been convicted yet? Like,

• 59:19Laci Mosley?

  No, she hasn't.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  The fact she's been charged, I, I don't know. I, I want to know a little bit more details before I pass judgment on this lady.

• 59:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm not passing judgment on her. You know, we, we love a scam. Here's scam up. Um, and honestly, like, five years in prison, that's taxpayers' dollars. That's wasted money. Obviously, this person has a lot of talent. Obviously, this person is contributing something to society. So if y'all really want to go after the $96,000, especially when you've been forgiving celebrities for millions that they did not use to pay their employees like they were supposed to, that they were out here buying cars with and shit, like, we do not need to put this beautiful woman in jail. Like, that is very ghetto. So prayers out to her that hopefully it's just a slap on the wrist, or maybe nothing, but certainly not prison. That's absolutely ridiculous and a waste of everyone's time involved.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  But guys, that brings us to the end of another amazing episode. Adam, I'm so happy that you could be here. We always ask, where would you like to be found? Anything you want people to watch? Anything you want with socials, all those things? Oh, please go check out my podcast, Factually, available wherever you get your podcasts. I talk to a different amazing expert every single week. We have a great time. And, you know, you can find my new show on Netflix if you look for it. But, but go check out Factually if you're a podcast listener. That's what I would love to direct you towards. You will learn, you will laugh. It's a great time.

• 1:00:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes, learn and laugh. And that's what we're all about here. As always, scamgoddesspod at gmail.com. Search under friends and family. Just make sure your scam is retired. If you want to find me, D I V A L A C I D of Lacy on all platforms. If you want to see the photos from the show and whatever bits I put on Instagram, scamgoddesspod on Twitter and on Instagram. Congregation. Stay Schemin.

• 1:01:04Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargvo, engineered by Marina Fais, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

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  This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.

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