Fraud Friday: A Whole Life Ruiner w/ Jon Gabrus

This week, Jon Gabrus (High and Mighty) joins the CONgregation to discuss Albert Rosenberg, the man who married the heir to the Ovaltine fortune and charmed woman across continents. Plus, a 22-year-old New Jersey man is on the hook after committing unemployment fraud and bragging about it on Instagram. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 12/19/2022) Signed copies of Laci's book are back in stock on Podswag: https://www.podswag.com/collections/scam-goddess/products/signed-scam-goddess-lessons-from-a-life-of-cons-grifts-and-schemes Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Jon Gabrus: @gabrus Research by Kaelyn Brandt. SOURCES: https://torontolife.com/city/yorkville-swindler-albert-rosenberg/ https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/toronto-s-yorkville-swindler-the-story-of-con-man-albert-rosenberg-in-his-own-words-1.6616921 https://www.nj.com/news/2022/05/nj-man-stole-150k-in-10-state-unemployment-fraud-feds-say.html https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/camden-county-man-charged-fraud-connection-unemployment-insurance-benefits

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• 1:28Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:10Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? This is girl Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. We're back with another installment of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We'll see along the way. And come on out there, wear the blue squoos, wear my tab with the Browns. Yes, I'm very, yes, excited. Oh, my God, you guys are my best friends. Love you besties. Is this getting toxic? Let me know in the comments. But today, we have a guest that has been on the show, and if you're an OG listener, then you've heard this before, disappeared behind the stitch of premium paywall, but iconic comedian, hilarious man that I've known for many years, and I'm so happy that we got him back on

• 2:55Laci Mosley?

  the show because he'd be booked and he'd be busy. He is a podcaster, a comedian. He hosts the podcast High and Mighty and Action Boys. I know you've heard of those. They're so good. Also, check out his television show, 101 Places to Party Before You Die on True TV. You can stream it on HBO Max. I'm gonna say that again, it's 101 Places to Party Before You Die on True TV, or you can stream it on HBO Max. And it is such an amazing scam that this man is, has turned partying and having a good time across the country into a hilarious and entertaining as fuck television show. So get into it. Congregation, please welcome John Gavers back to the show. Hey, John. Hey, Gavers.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  Hi, Lacey. Thank you for having me. This is fucking thrilling. I'm super excited.

• 3:41Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for coming back. I'm so happy to have you.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Dude, I was so stoked to literally say, I feel like I pulled a scam with my job. I'm so happy you called that out in my intro. It's the most I've ever felt like I did a scam. Like, oh, I got slightly successful in my career, but also just did exactly what I wanted to do. And that's never happened before. So I felt like a scam god, not to

• 4:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 4:08Laci Mosley?

  It's okay to still have a gender. We, we just acknowledge that some people don't want one. So you're good scam, Guan? Yes. And I would agree. You deserved the title. I was just about to ask you what your relationships with scams is, but I think that a hundred and one places to party before you die is definitely your latest.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Like, that's my latest and greatest, and I don't know if I could top it. I'm fucking, the greatest scam of the century will be fighting back against a corporate merger and getting a second season. But for now, for now, I'll take this as a huge victory, you know? Like, that's the win right there, baby.

• 4:39Laci Mosley?

  It really is. Cause you just have such a shining personality. You're so funny. I think that it's just like, yeah, give me a show where I can just be me and, and go out and explore fun places and be myself.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  Truly just physically difficult for like consumption purposes, but it's very easy for me to be drunk on camera and sort of charming. That's like, uh, right in my fucking wheelhouse.

• 5:01Laci Mosley?

  Well, you did drunk history, right?

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, uh, my whole life I've been trying to monetize my hobbies.

• 5:06Laci Mosley?

  Moment.

• 5:08Laci Mosley?

  It's like the rocket, like dun dun dun. But it's just like beer, dun dun dun, dancing.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. Backstage at UCB in my twenties, then in my thirties on, uh, on, uh, drunk history. And then in my forties, traveling the country, fucking getting blasted on True TV. Yikes.

• 5:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Listen, listen, it's funny. I was just in awe and I commented on your Twitter, but I also was just in awe of watching it. I was like, wow. We did it, Joe. We did it. You guys should check it out.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  Thank you. I do feel like that. We did it. Like, how old is shit? We did it.

• 5:39Laci Mosley?

  Well, besides your most major scam at, at the moment, which is not a scam if you're watching, okay? It's only a scam for a job because it's his job. Okay?

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. You get what you expect out of it. A funny travel show. I get way more, like, I'm the one doing the scamming. They're not even spending that much money on me. And I'm the only one who's pulling the, and it's only because I don't, I'm not memorizing lines or trying to fit into someone else's wardrobe choices. Like, so me, that's the scam is that victory right there. Just go eat and talk to a friend.

• 6:08Laci Mosley?

  Cause that's the biggest thing about acting is like, I love doing it, but then they play, all right, here's all the things you have to say and all the emotions you have to, I mean, that's the fun. It's all fun. It's all fun part, but like.

• 6:17Speaker 04

  It's so easy. We're not digging ditches, we're not fucking doing heart surgery.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  The second they're like, hey, can you lean heavy on your left foot when you grab the papers with your right hand? And make sure you kind of look, oh, you see, you're jumping the line here. So your eye line has to be at this black X. And the next thing you know, you're like, I can't do all this. And then you're like, wait, it's just talking. I can do this.

• 6:36Laci Mosley?

  I can't read.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, you fully lose all respect for yourself. You're like, what the fuck's going on here?

• 6:43Laci Mosley?

  It's also not our fault because on sets they infantilize us because all of a sudden you become this corporate meat puppet that's there for money. And I love it. I love being a corporate meat puppet for television networks.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're the most expensive sea stand on set.

• 6:57Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And then you walk around, you hear people in their walkie talkies like, she's going to the bathroom. Or like, oh, she's, she's in a truck. Like they follow you around and they monitor your every move and like.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Lacey Mosley flying in, you know, you're like, okay, shut the fuck up. I'm coming. Like, I'll be there.

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  I had, I've only had one moment where I was a little annoyed and it was because like we were doing some scene. It was really stressful. And I needed to go to the bathroom and just like collect myself. And there was a P A following like, okay, she's going to, she's walking, she's walking. I'm like, bro, I can hear you. Like, please. And then she waited by the bathroom. I was like, I've only been here seven minutes. Like, please, I'm coming out. Like, I, I was like, girl, I had to poop. Like, what are we doing?

• 7:33Speaker 04

  Well, that's always the thing. Like you hear like a radio is like, he's been in the bathroom for a while. It's like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Like, we don't even have to air my fucking business here, dude.

• 7:41Laci Mosley?

  Standing next to the stall like I'm the president. Like, come on now.

• 7:47Laci Mosley?

  But we love our jobs. We're not complaining about our jobs. We love our jobs.

• 7:49Speaker 04

  Please, I would love more.

• 7:50Laci Mosley?

  But I would love so many more jobs, please. But what, what is your relationship with scams now? It's been a few years since you've been on the pod. Is any, have you ran any, other than your biggest grift right now? But like, have any happened to you, anyone you know, or anything? It could be anything.

• 8:04Speaker 04

  I have not been caught up in any scams recently, but I'm very much a scam fan, if you will. You know, a member of the, of the congregation for sure, but also I've always found scams and grift so interesting. And maybe I grew up like watching mafia movies and watching action movies and thrillers where there's always some deceit going on. So that shit has always appealed to me. And nowadays, like. And partially because of your podcast, partially because of the way the world turns and how and the direction that society is going to, I feel like we're just combating scams in every fucking breath of my day. I'm getting an e- I'm getting a text that says my Netflix account is in jeopardy from

• 8:48Speaker 04

  a fucking, I'm getting an email that says this, I'm getting emails from my dead dad's email address that like, you know, I'm like, my mom's getting emails from Amazon without, it's so fucking twisted, man, the way they can get, I, my mom got an email from Amazon without an O in it and she was like, they're shutting down my account. I have to log in and give them my credit card. I was like, mom, no, no, like, and that shit is just happening on, on a scale, un- like an exponential scale unbeknownst to us. Everybody's grandma is getting fucking grifted right now and it's sad. It's desperate.

• 9:20Laci Mosley?

  We say call your grandmas, call, call your older loved ones. If you want them to leave you anything when they pass away, you better call them. Otherwise they go give it to Jane Doe and spam likely and all them motherfuckers, because they're calling every day. Nobody calls their grandmother more than spam, scam likely. Like, okay, they're checking in on me, mom, every day. It's, it's wild. But you're right, we're now fighting them on every level. And then we're also kind of getting involved because we realize everything is a scam. But then also at every single turn, guys, read those emails, read them and make sure that the link is what it's supposed to be because Amazon without an O is pretty genius.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  If you live in this current world, someone knocks on your door, it's 95% likely it's a fucking scam and 5% likely someone you know. Like back in the day, like, oh, I wonder who's at the door, like fucking Mr. Rogers Peewee's Playhouse, like I wonder who's at the door. Oh, it's two people requesting money for nurse salaries, but really it fucks over the nurses in the long run, like, oh my god, like what is, wait, it's accidentally a Rick Caruso fucking petition or some shit? Get the fuck out of my yard.

• 10:26Laci Mosley?

  You know, the one thing to me was I was playing this little game, like you know how they have like garden scapes or like the little candy crush or whatever? I was playing this game called Budoku. It's like Sudoku but with wood. I'm very bad at it. But I love playing it to like re- relax my brain. I don't buy it with the ad or like I didn't buy it with the extra stuff. So it has ads in between the games that I'm playing. I don't care. Why did a Rick Caruso ad pop up on on my little game? I was like, ah.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  He's aiming for the fucking like, because that's the advertising he wants to do. My my fucking mailbox every day is got fucking Rick Caruso lamination. Right. I mean, not anymore, but for like a month.

• 11:03Laci Mosley?

  Which makes no sense. Like, he spent so much money and he lost. That's like my favorite thing about him losing, other than him losing is like, how much? A hundred million dollars to lose like this.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  I I forgot who said it. I'm quoting a random tweet or meme that said like, Rick Caruso spent a hundred million dollars to get everyone to hate Katy Perry.

• 11:21Laci Mosley?

  Indeed.

• 11:22Speaker 04

  And it worked, yeah.

• 11:23Laci Mosley?

  What was that? What was that ploy all along?

• 11:25Speaker 04

  Bro.

• 11:26Laci Mosley?

  The long game.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  If my man built, if he spent a hundred million dollars to break ground on the Rick Caruso for mayor, low-income housing building somewhere in LA, if he spent a hundred million dollars on that, he he would have gotten elected.

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  He would have.

• 11:42Speaker 04

  That would have been more marketing than any amount of ads, any amount of ads during the Dodgers, any amount of Karen Bass attack ads, any amount of flyers, any amount of fucking Wodoku fucking pop-ups. Like, he could have won the fucking election if he just built low-income housing. Like, if he just.

• 12:00Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I'm gonna do something about the homeless. And I guess it was just that he was gonna use the state to kill them. But that's what we figured it out. Cause we were like, what are we gonna do something about him? Well, you could literally do something about it right now. And also, him spending that much money to gain political power, it just jumped out as like, bro, we know you're about to do evil with this. Like, nobody's spending a hundred million dollars because they care about people.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Right. Well, no one's spending a hundred million dollars on themselves if they care about people because you can buy stuff that helps people with a hundred million dollars.

• 12:30Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, no. Listen, listen, you're not, you're not seeing the vision. He had a hundred million dollars to help people right now. But if I get into office, then I can help people in perpetuity heretofore with.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  And make and and get myself a hundred and ten million dollars back. And like, that's, that's the fucking rub, man. That politics, biggest scam of all, obviously. But that buying of fucking, like, that's happening on a lot of levels. And then that shit happening here that nakedly in a town that we all swear we're fuck, I mean limousine liberals, but everyone swears they're a fucking liberal in LA. And all of a sudden, everyone's going to fucking bat for Rick Caruso. And it's like, wait, all these conversations that we've had in the last five years. We have a black woman up against a white man, a guy who's like, and I'm hearing liberals go like, look, he's a land developer, he knows what this, and I'm like, this is what we made fun of our uncles for about Trump, motherfucker. It's the same exact quote.

• 13:24Laci Mosley?

  As you get older, we lose, we lose the, I mean, I'm in the nihilist phase. I'm like, I'm just trying to live as long as they gonna let me, because soon the air won't be free, so.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  But there's like, he spends a hundred million dollars, and what was he gonna do if he got into power? Raise the budget of the LAPD? Fucking donate ten million to the LAPD, motherfucker, if you're so, like, if that's your fucking move.

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  And they'll give you a sticker, they'll give you a little card that you can present when you get pulled over. Like, you could have just circumvented all of this. But also, I just thought it was so funny that it popped up in this in-app game that I'm playing. Because like, where else were the ads popping up? Like Instagram, like leggings, and then it's like, also vote for Rick Caruso, but also buy these leggings.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, he was scraping the fucking barrel. He's like, I wanna, like, pop-up ads is like, you should be humiliated. It's like Jon Hamm doing H&R Block, you should feel bad a little. Like, let that happen for the smaller business. Let lesser actors book these commercials, guys.

• 14:19Laci Mosley?

  Right, he had the ads that would come up, like, you know, when you look at a TMZ article and at the bottom it'd be like, six ways to know that you probably have restless leg syndrome. And then it's like, vote for Rick Caruso, this like.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  This actor is fatter now than you ever remembered, vote for Rick Caruso.

• 14:36Laci Mosley?

  Pornhub, you looking for MILFs near you? Vote for Rick Caruso. Wait, where are you?

• 14:41Speaker 04

  MILFs in your area are voting for Rick Caruso. Try not to come.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  Try not to come when you're voting for Rick Caruso. Oh, no, no. That was the funniest part about it. But we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements. We'll be right back with what's hot and fried.

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• 16:37Laci Mosley?

  And we're back and it's time for What Time In Pride? This is where we warn our listeners about scams that are popping in the streets. More often than not these days, we get a letter from you guys as always. Snitching on your friends, your family and your enemies at [email protected]. Just make sure the scam is retired so we don't what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Uh, this, okay, so Gabrus, this person, uh, this woman has identified herself as a woman. So I'll take a female name, or I mean, any name could be any name, but like, you know.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, I'll go with, uh, Malina.

• 17:08Laci Mosley?

  Malina, oh, I love that name. That's a pretty name. Malina, so Malina says, hi there, love you, love the show. You got that out real quick. You know how we go.

• 17:18Laci Mosley?

  Malina says, I am a priest at a church. And parentheses, yes, I am a woman who is at an Episcopal church. So fairly, and there's not many women priests, so that's, you know, rare. There probably should be more. But.

• 17:33Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, we should add, any place where it's all dudes, we should just add women for like safety purposes. Not for theirs, unfortunately, not for the women's safety, but for like the safety of society in general. Let's throw a few female priests, a few female football coaches.

• 17:48Laci Mosley?

  You just never have a bunch of dudes in one room making all the decisions.

• 17:51Speaker 04

  The army, uh, sports, the Catholic church, anytime it's all dudes, shit gets a little fucking twisted.

• 18:01Laci Mosley?

  Anyway, so fairly often we get messages about free pianos. Usually someone's parent passes away and they have a, they clean out the house. People do not want to keep the pianos or they're too expensive to move, so they offer the instruments to us. It's cheaper to buy a new piano than move an old one, she puts in parentheses. It's not strange to get a message like this. So this gives me like, not a mega church, and y'all know how I feel about mega churches and about a lot of churches, that they can be a grift, you know what I mean? Like churches are supposed to be taxed them so they help in the community and whatnot. And they be helping themselves to like flying drummers and fucking light shows and shit. They're like, no, God, no, they, we need this to recruit more people to God. Um, y'all fire them amps up.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, there's a fucking world that crosses all boundaries. You know what I mean? Like every like eventually you get to some level where you're like, wait, what do you need this million dollar church for to make sure you save more of us? Like the second you got like the Catholic Church is the number one owner of real estate in Manhattan, one of the in New York City, one of the biggest real estate places in the world is New York City and the Catholic Church is the biggest land right ahead of NYU and who owns more more property and NYU at least pays taxes fucking the church, the Catholic Church does not.

• 19:20Laci Mosley?

  They need that for Jesus, John.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Jesus does not need fucking square footage in the fucking in the West Village.

• 19:27Laci Mosley?

  He said multiply. He said be fruitful and multiply. So they're multiplying, you know, their acreages. You see it? You see it? But you know, I will say that this seems like a smaller church and I used to go to smaller church and like they tend to be less scammy. So, you know, I'm not gonna shade Malina because she wrote a letter. So Malina, we're not shading you or your church. Shout out to you for being a girl boss. So one day, Malina says, my organist gets an email about a free piano, not only a piano, but a Steinway grand piano. Those are like the like Lamborghini piano. We both live in the same place. I love it. So this is a nice one. So I told him to look into it. She was like, oh, wait a minute now. Amen.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  A word of Steinway, get over there.

• 20:12Laci Mosley?

  That sound like a blessing to me. Go ahead and see, look into that. So a few weeks passed and my organist comes to me all happy that we're getting this great piano for free. We just have to pay to ship it from Indiana. We're on Long Island, New York. Oh, that's your stomping grounds.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 20:29Laci Mosley?

  You might have been here. You might know it. I said, oh, that's a scam. And he was confused. I explained that if it's not a local person, this is a total scam. He being the sweet man that he is insisted that this was real. And he said, how is a free piano a scam? See, that's why you need women in all the businesses because he was like, let's get it. Like free piano, coming from Indiana. This all makes sense to me.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  No such thing as a free lunch. I mean, that's like scam rule number one. The second you're getting some shit for free or someone's going out of their way to do something, something's up, something's up. You gotta, your hackles gotta go up.

• 21:04Laci Mosley?

  Look around, check the email, make sure there's a oh, in Amazon because you're probably getting scammed. So well, he told me that we just have to pay three hundred dollars in freight and nine hundred dollars for insurance and that will get reimbursed. And he already paid it on his personal credit card. This is the pianist.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 21:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, he said the woman whom he only talked to via email, sent him a link to a freight company website. And he paid them directly and they even gave him a tracking number. And I said, okay, scam.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  Yes. Luckily, fucking Malina is a listener of this podcast. I fucking sniffed that shit out.

• 21:45Laci Mosley?

  God be talking to Malina, okay? I'm in the priesthood for a reason, okay? Because I have a direct line.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  She's got dual dual citizenship in two different congregations.

• 21:54Laci Mosley?

  Amen. Okay. Whereas the organist is clearly missing God's phone calls and the texts. Never opening the letters.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, you gotta you gotta get off Cricket Wireless if you want to hear from God.

• 22:05Laci Mosley?

  If you want to hear from God, okay.

• 22:06Speaker 04

  You gotta get on that 5G plus.

• 22:08Laci Mosley?

  Get off Boost Mobile. God is not calling nobody there, okay?

• 22:13Laci Mosley?

  So a few weeks later, no piano arrived. He called the freight company in quotes and the phone was disconnected. My organist emailed the woman and she said that the piano was stuck in customs in Indiana? Question mark, question mark, question mark?

• 22:27Speaker 04

  Interstate customs? That's not a thing.

• 22:29Laci Mosley?

  Never heard of those. Never, never heard of her. This is the scammer saying that, but if we're patient, her mother's gold bars are hidden inside the piano and we can keep them.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 22:41Laci Mosley?

  She said that it was her mother who passed away and that was the impetus for her donating the signway to the church. So now she's saying, if y'all wait until they get out of Wisconsin Customs, it's gold bricks in there that I didn't want.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  I know it feels weird that I'm just telling you this right at the tail end of this entire piano interaction. But just trust me, hold out, you'll get the gold bars and the piano. Feels like a fucking infomercial. And if you order now, you'll get the gold bars and the piano and the twelve hundred dollar freight reimbursement for only forty nine ninety five.

• 23:11Laci Mosley?

  Right. A week, a year. In perpetuity. Like what? So now Malina says, this is her. Now, I didn't say I told you so in quotes because as a priest, I'm supposed to be kind. I'll be like, I'm petty as hell, but you know, that's hell and I'm working.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  But I guess I'm a priest. Fine, I'm a priest. I'll be chill.

• 23:32Laci Mosley?

  God, I want us to be petty.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  I wanted to light his ass up, but you know, I'm a priest, so I had to be all nice and helpful.

• 23:38Laci Mosley?

  I'm employed for the Lord and he talking about forgiveness and what that's a company policy. So you know, I did say, I told you so.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  The company manual has 10 rules.

• 23:50Laci Mosley?

  Gotta follow him. So in the end, no piano arrived. My organist filed a police report and got his bank to reimburse him. And in the end, he learned some valuable lessons. Number one, listen to me. Number two, free is never free. Oh, come on, Mother Malina.

• 24:08Laci Mosley?

  I love the number one first commandment, listen to me.

• 24:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, that's like, that is low key what religion is all about. It's like, yes, these are ways to live your life, but more importantly, if I change my mind at any point, play along. All right.

• 24:22Laci Mosley?

  This is what we doing. I don't want to say, because I know this is your, your life's work. So I'm not trying to change your too much mood. Thank you for writing to the podcast. But I will say like, I'm glad he got his money back and everything, but she did tell him that this was a scam and he followed through anyway. Which like, okay, yeah, God is the CEO of the church, but like there, there's other people who have higher positions underneath it. I would think priest is one. Organist definitely isn't higher than priest.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  Well, I would also throw it out there, like maybe just general advice for your listeners who I think are a little more hip to this. But this organist doesn't sound to be, yo, never use your personal credit card at work shit. Ever, ever. No matter what, no matter how badly you want those Sky Miles or whatever, just don't even fucking bother. Just let it rip. Ask, ask the fucking pastor for his credit card. Ask the heads up guy. Never, oh, well, for work, I'll just throw my own credit. Oh, I'll just throw down for work drinks and then get reimbursed. You know, companies fall apart. They take forever to reimburse you. Don't. Uh, you have to be confident in like, if it's a new freight company from fucking Wisconsin, get your fucking numbers off of that.

• 25:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. And after Wisconsin, there was from Indiana, but I will say to your point. Also, companies, they want their work, cause that's like our money to them. It's like our currency is the work that we do and they want it on time. They'll dock you if you're late. They want it, you know, you can't be like, hey, it's gonna take three to five business days for me to show up to work. Even though they want to pay you like that. So you can never trust that the company is gonna pay you on time, or if ever.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah, fuck. You can't trust. They have no reason. You have no reason to trust them.

• 26:06Laci Mosley?

  And also why, you brought up a good point too, the sky miles. Cause now I'm thinking like, why was he so excited to pay his own money for a piano that wasn't even gonna go in his house?

• 26:15Speaker 04

  And I know the reimbursement shit is like, oh, if I could put five thousand dollars on my credit card, get those miles, then get five thousand dollars from work. And reimburse it, that's free miles for me. But if that reimbursement check.

• 26:25Laci Mosley?

  Giving Capital One.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, if that shit comes one month late, you're fucking carrying a balance. You're getting fucked. You're reaching into your savings. You gotta be careful out there, kids.

• 26:34Laci Mosley?

  Interest going up on a Tuesday. No.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  The interest going up. Inflation going up on a Tuesday.

• 26:42Laci Mosley?

  Literally, any day they want. They're just making it up.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  They just choose, yeah.

• 26:47Laci Mosley?

  Mother Malina, you were in the right. And hopefully this is a lesson to him. And hopefully the organist will share his story with other people. So they will be listening to you. And, and not giving up their own coins for what is clearly robbery. He thought, oh, they have a website. Girl, you can get those anywhere. It's called Go Daddy. You can, anybody can have a website with credit card information these days.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Gold bars, you say? Okay, here's my credit card number again.

• 27:11Laci Mosley?

  If you want the gold bars, you actually need to send a little bit more money.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  Normal, right? Yeah. Act normal if you want them gold bars. Chill. They're coming.

• 27:20Laci Mosley?

  It's like, I can keep the gold bars for me. I don't have to get those to the church. Uh, gold bars is also goofy as hell. Like, she couldn't come up with like, oh, it's got a really nice hand carved bench that comes with it or something.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, it just makes no sense that you would find out about the gold bars after the fact. That like feels like when you're like a little kid, you're like, uh, a- and there's gold bars inside of it. Like, and I'm bulletproof and, and I can fly, you know, like, it just feels like little kid shit. It's like, I, you already had me at like Steinway, you know, like.

• 27:49Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. What kind of pirate shit is this? Now I'm getting doubloons? Like, come on now.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  Chock full of doubloons. Customs has stopped the organ. They've realized it's chock full of doubloons.

• 28:04Laci Mosley?

  You know, Indiana customs, you know how they do. International. Oh goodness. Well, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements. We'll be right back with historic hoodwink.

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• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  And we are back. It's time for my favorite segment, "Historical Hidings." This is where I will regale John with a famous con caper group of criminals. We'll see if we like them or if we hate them. I'm gonna note up top, because we don't scam journalists. Most of the research for the story was drawn from Courtney Shea Toronto's Life article, "The Yorkville Swindler: How Albert Allen Rosenberg Scammed His Way Into High Society." Content warning, there's a brief mention of domestic violence. Putting that up top. So, thank you so much, Courtney. And we will link her article in the footnotes if you want to do a deeper dive on this. So, we're talking about Allen Rosenberg. He was the picture of charming, uber wealthy European businessman looking for a new wife.

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  The multilingual, multi-epinent heir to the Ovaltine fortune charmed women across Europe and Canada. But the problem was, no one ever knew what was real. Okay, he is giving Ovaltine.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  He has like, "I have money, I'm an older guy" look. Like, that is just a classic. Bald, tan head says, "Yeah, I have money."

• 30:55Laci Mosley?

  "I'll fly you out, you can get flued out, we going to the Caymans."

• 30:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's like, "No PJ for you, but I can fly you first, see you there."

• 31:03Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Like, he's got the heavy AMEX.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's not Nesquik, he's Ovaltine. So, he can't do PJs, but he can get you in first on JetBlue, he gets you in mint.

• 31:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're definitely gonna get extended leg room with Mr. Ovaltine. Okay, you don't gotta worry about that, sweetheart. You don't gotta worry about that, we boarding first with the veterans, okay?

• 31:22Speaker 04

  Extra leg room. "If you're flying me out, you best get me extra leg room."

• 31:30Speaker 04

  Getting all these tall baddies flown out.

• 31:32Laci Mosley?

  Listen, but it is giving, like, if I saw him in a restaurant, I would think... He's almost giving like, "I'm rich, but I don't want you to know..." I'm rich, but also I dress like a rich.

• 31:41Speaker 04

  Well, this is like that level of rich that is really apparent, even amongst some of my peers now where it's just like, oh, I'm just a sneaker, jeans and T-shirt guy. And then it's like the most expensive jeans, the most expensive sneakers and the most expensive T-shirt.

• 31:54Laci Mosley?

  Silicon Valley.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a silicon, like this guy's got like thousand dollar sunglasses on. But he's got like, you know what I mean? He's like, I'm just a normal, ah, me. He looks like the type of guy you'd see at a restaurant. He'd be dining with a 28 year old girl and you're like, I don't know if he's fucking her or her, her guardianship.

• 32:13Laci Mosley?

  Right. Is it her daughter? Are they dating? We, questions. We don't know the answer.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  Daddy are dating.

• 32:18Laci Mosley?

  Daddy are dating. It can also be mommy or matrimony. Okay. Like we equal opportunity.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, E O E, baby.

• 32:25Laci Mosley?

  For the sugar, the sugar they's, the sugar them's, the sugar poppies, the sugar mommies. It's definitely giving all of the sugar. So though details of Albert Allen Rosenberg's background changed with each retelling, the standard version of his story is that he was born in Cairo. His father, Alvin, was a Canadian international lawyer stationed in Egypt in the early 1940s while working for the UN. Okay. So we got some political clout. We got some coins coming in. His mother was Marcel, a woman born in France and raised in Switzerland where she met Alvin.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  This reeks of like true, straight up old school. Like this is how you design a rich dick. It's like, my mother was raised in Switzerland, my father, you know what I mean? Like everything is just like established to be like, yes, and I'm the villain in a Marvel movie.

• 33:12Laci Mosley?

  And the more like European you can get with it, like, oh, we summered in Holland and we, yeah, we fall in France. So, you know, it's, it's giving wealthy.

• 33:21Speaker 04

  And then all of a sudden, I, I don't know what this is, that it starts to feel racist to me. I mean, I know I'm like the white straight man here, but I, it starts to feel racist.

• 33:29Laci Mosley?

  We hope you can see racism. We would like that. Yeah.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's like, oh, I'm, I'm going to Switzerland. I've learned, I'm living in Swit- like even just choosing that is like, there's so many places you could live. What do we know about Switzerland the most?

• 33:41Laci Mosley?

  Other than banks.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, there you go. Another, we gotta go where the banks are fucking unregulated and the people are white. You know, get the fuck out of here.

• 33:50Laci Mosley?

  So they returned to Switzerland before Albert was one years old and he enjoyed a very privileged childhood in the lakeside town of Kuznacht. I love that he's in a lakeside town having a, you know, next to water lifestyle. The family relocated to Canada in the nineteen sixties where his mother opened a shop called La Belle Boutique in Yorkville, Toronto. Okay, La Belle Boutique. That's fancy. I'm gonna go in there with y'all guys. Arves?

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Uh oh, Yorkville, Toronto. This is the Yorkville scammer, right? So we're about to get to the hometown of the fucking scam itself.

• 34:25Laci Mosley?

  Yep.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  I was paying attention.

• 34:27Laci Mosley?

  Look at you. We left that for us. In nineteen eighty-six, a Canadian national paper, The Globe and Mail, ran a profile on Marcelle as her boutique had become a favorite destination for Toronto's wealthiest ladies. So she had all the bad bitches with the money to spend and their husbands were nowhere in sight. So they were just running it up.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  That's perfect. That's a target-rich environment for scams, like rich women with extra money. Like, a dude looks at that and is like, okay, I know how to get, I gotta get their bags next.

• 34:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So this is the mob, right?

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Oh shit, yeah. She's setting them up.

• 35:01Laci Mosley?

  The profile mentions only that her husband was a jeweler in Cairo, not a fancy Canadian lawyer. So they cleaned it up. It's like, oh, he's just a jeweler and I'm a woman who loves fashion and...

• 35:13Speaker 04

  Totally normal and you just, we're normal people. Don't worry.

• 35:18Laci Mosley?

  Everyday people, okay? Y'all heard that John Legend song, Ordinary People? He wrote it about us, okay? We don't know which way to go, but come in the store. That's where you should go.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  That's the important part.

• 35:28Laci Mosley?

  So according to Marcelle, her family had fled Egypt following the overthrow of King Farouk in nineteen fifty-two and moved to France, then Montreal, with no mention of Switzerland. So now she's really trying to give like regular daggers. She was like, we ran because of the political, you know, strife and now we're just having a homely business over here and nobody's a lawyer and nobody worked for the UN and...

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, kinda like how in comedy now, everyone's like, okay, how do I make it seem like I didn't come from privilege? Like, everyone's always like, well, you know, my half Venezuelan grandmother always said. You know, and you're like, okay, okay.

• 36:09Laci Mosley?

  Uber. I've only taken Uber pools because I'm a cool. Like, they don't even do those anymore. How are you still taking those? Don't worry about it.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  We grew up taking Uber Pool in my family. That's how we... Oh, okay.

• 36:20Laci Mosley?

  Everyday working man. No one went to Harvard. My parents didn't fund my comedy career. Please stop.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  I just went to Boston for school. Ask no follow-ups.

• 36:30Laci Mosley?

  A Boston school with Boston's. I was just like them.

• 36:35Laci Mosley?

  So Albert often also claimed he studied computer science at the University of Toronto and received an MBA from Harvard. However, University of Toronto, I'm gonna say like the Canadians, Toronto.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  Would you realize, we went to college being like, you gotta have real shit on your resume if you wanna try to get a job. And you're spending a hundred grand to go to some fucking college. We all, people like Elon Musk and other rich people are like, ah, just say I went to fucking Harvard. Like, why didn't I just say I went there?

• 37:02Laci Mosley?

  Who was gonna check? They're not gonna check until you're doing a shit job. So if you can manage to make it up as you go, no one looks. No one, I don't even have my diploma. I don't know where it is. Maybe my mom has it. I don't have a physical copy of it or even a photo of it.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  Same, dog, same.

• 37:17Laci Mosley?

  Why did I pay for that piece of paper? I could've just lied.

• 37:23Laci Mosley?

  Why? We could've went anywhere.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, like Best Week, like Best Week, my first job as a PA on Best Week ever is gonna like fact-check my resume that hard and be like, actually, he didn't grad, you know, I should've just fucking lied, dog. I could be, and why not now? Yeah, I went, I graduated college in 04. I'm so old, there's no way you could track down where I went. I might as well say, you know? I'll just start saying wherever. Ah, yeah, I was, I studied at the sore bone.

• 37:48Laci Mosley?

  Right, because do they have to keep it like dental records? Like, maybe they don't even know anymore. Also, like, if somebody asked me to describe going to school, they'd be like, you know, we would be out on the lawn, me, an Asian kid, a, a white woman, and a teacher.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Describe a brochure. Underneath a tree with a tipped over bike and some open books, drinking iced teas, you know, as college kids do.

• 38:12Laci Mosley?

  We loved going to the bonfire, yeah.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  Oh, my roommate, she was crazy, but we got along. We stayed in touch for a while, but we don't anymore. Okay.

• 38:25Laci Mosley?

  Just the vaguest descriptions of college.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 38:28Laci Mosley?

  My meal plan, uh, nasty sometimes, good other times, like Thanksgiving week.

• 38:36Laci Mosley?

  Just in no detail. So however, the University of Toronto didn't have an undergrad computer science program until the nineteen seventies. So he lied about a place that didn't even have the program. They looked in the brochure and were like, they don't gotta be mad at us. Like, this isn't even here. Many years after when Albert would have attended. So he was saying that he got a computer science degree from a place that didn't even offer computer science until long after he said he graduated. And Harvard had no record of him being a student. Now, I feel like Harvard is petty. They're like, the girls love to lie on us. So we keep the records.

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, Harvard has to because people are paying a hundred, you know, people's parents are paying inordinate amount of money to get their kid a Harvard diploma. If that starts getting scammed, you know, you know, they have like a fraud detection department at Harvard. Just fucking rich guys in cable knit sweaters being like, bah, fuck though. They want to fucking say they went to fucking Harvard. It's like, call this fucking Toronto though, bro, and fucking cancel them, though.

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  Right. Unless he wants to donate, uh.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, unless he wants to be a fucking Ovaltine computer lab, then he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

• 39:41Laci Mosley?

  Right. They will be like, mm, mm, bitch, we love Ovaltine at Harvard. He was our favorite dude when he was up here.

• 39:45Speaker 04

  Oh, it's just like chocolate milk, but with a vitamin or two? Yum. Thank you, Ovaltine.

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  It's milk with powder in it. We love powdered milk. At Harvard. Yes. So Karen Rosenberg, me Wander. In the early nineteen seventies, Albert moved back to Switzerland where he met and married Karen Wander, an actual descendant of the Ovaltine Wander Empire. So he went and like, made his whole lie legit. Because he married someone who is a part of the chocolate milk dynasty.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  So smart. Finally fucking start like, oh shit, this is a perfect opportunity for my lies to become true.

• 40:25Laci Mosley?

  I wonder how he tracked her down. So together, they had three daughters. He got her pregnant and everything.

• 40:30Speaker 04

  You got to. You gotta lock them in. Get them trapped in there.

• 40:33Laci Mosley?

  Mary Claire, Sabine, oh, and Penelope, and gave them rich people's names too. Sabine is the richest name I've ever heard.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, for real. I mean, if if a woman named Sabine entered a room and was like, I'm sorry, are you John Gabrus? Yes. Here is a knife. Cut your throat, please. I'd be like, you got it, Sabine. You seem to be in charge. Your name is Sabine.

• 40:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's for the greater good, I'm guessing.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. Whatever you say, babe. I got you, Sabine.

• 40:58Laci Mosley?

  I'm just honored you said my name, Sabine. Okay. Tell my story, Sabine, please.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  I love you, Sabine.

• 41:07Laci Mosley?

  So the family lived in Zurich where Albert claimed to establish a public trust with his wife and her large, very wealthy family. It's unclear, but unlikely that he did. So later, Al would frequently use the trust as a source of collateral for his schemes. And on other occasions, he would say it was over a hundred years old. So sometimes he'd be like, oh yeah, I made this trust from my Ovaltine money. And other times he'd be like, this Ovaltine trust has been here for generations.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Scammer's gonna scam, dog. That's the thing that drives me fucking crazy is like, he locked himself into a good scam. He got access to a fucking fortune. But that's just not enough. You gotta start using that to keep more plates spinning. Like, look, I'm a gambler. I'm addicted to gambling. I know that. And I can tell when I'm in a situation where I'm like, okay, you actually like won a little. Let's relax. It's like, no, now I should re- I should go and gamble harder. Like, all scammers are like, shit, I can't believe we got away with that. Well, let's do it again, but bigger and better this time. Now we have the funding to go for the big scam. You know, you're like, no.

• 42:13Laci Mosley?

  Just stop. Just be happy that you married a rich woman and had three fancy sounding children and you live in Zurich. Come on now. So in 1981, Albert moved back to Toronto with Karen and registered a company called Command and Control Systems. Wow, sounds legit.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  No, thank you. Sounds either like a fucking video game. Actually, Command and Conquer was a video game I played a lot of. But also, it sounds like a fucking Fifty Shades of Grey knockoff book or some shit.

• 42:41Laci Mosley?

  He's the CEO of Command and Control. We can't mess with him. They command over there and also control.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  We should have them commanding and controlling. We need to silo it hard.

• 42:52Laci Mosley?

  He should have added one more for just fun. Command, control, wealthy.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, command and control and come. Wait, what's the last part? Uh, nothing. Let's go.

• 43:01Laci Mosley?

  No, no, don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. You heard the first two. You know it's legit. Six years later, it was dissolved by the federal government for failure to file documentation. The couple also opened a gallery called Rosenberg Fine Art, which specialized in investment art. Investment art is designed to be bought and sold as another type of asset building such as gold.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  That drives me fucking crazy. Like if, uh, at, when we're insanely rich, not if we ever get insanely rich. When we're insanely rich, I'm gonna be buying art because I like it. Not because, but these motherfuckers don't even have the taste to pick out art they like. They just need it to hold. Like, I live in West Hollywood. The amount of apartments or houses here that are empty, that are just sitting as someone's asset that they're just holding, like it's a fucking 1.8 million dollar piece of art. You know what I mean? Like, and they're, and you're just like waiting till it costs 2.4 million, then you sell it and take that $600,000 profit and buy another fucking painting or another fucking building. That shit, right therein lies the rub, the problem of being fucking super wealthy.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Buying art for asset holding, not buying art because it aesthetically pleases you or it inspires you, or it's from an artist you like. Ah, that fucking.

• 44:13Laci Mosley?

  Just for more money. Greed. Greed for the sake of greed.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  Yes, money on top of money, bags on bags. You don't need that much.

• 44:21Laci Mosley?

  At all. The gallery accepted valuable paintings such as Rothko's and goat leaves from international galleries on consignment. So they're getting, they're renting them. They got them on consignment. But when they sold the painting, they would use the proceeds of the sales to buy antiques, pay for car leases and racket club memberships instead of sending the money to the original galleries. So they're like, hey, let us rent out your painting. We're gonna get the girls interested in it. They're gonna come, they're gonna see it, they're gonna buy it. And they're like, okay, sure. Yeah, yeah, we'll do that. And then, hello, uh, Al, did our painting sell? Because we saw it at somebody's house on Instagram. Oh, no, that's a lithogram. We still got your painting. Don't worry about, uh.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't you worry about that. Right.

• 45:03Laci Mosley?

  Somebody in the back is like, "What we gonna do without this cash?" Oh, you didn't hear that. That's other cash. We haven't sold jerseys yet. The Rothco's are moving real slow this week. So, call back next week. Oh, great. By 1984, the gallery had declared bankruptcy. And then eventually in 1986, one of the defrauded owners contacted the Mounties, the Royal Canadian Mountie Police, and the couple was charged with over $300,000 of fraud. Karen fled to Europe with their daughters, and Al was arrested and released on bail. So, at least Karen was like, "Look, I am an overteen. All this good chocolate shake is not going in nobody's prison. So, you handle that, Al. You got that."

• 45:41Speaker 04

  I just like, we could have guessed that the sentence at some point about this guy Al was gonna be, "He was arrested and then released on bail." Like, and then, like, of course he was. Never has there been a more obvious outcome for fucking rich, fucking tan bald head motherfucker.

• 45:58Laci Mosley?

  He looks too rich to be in jail. You saw that sweater.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  He doesn't do time.

• 46:01Laci Mosley?

  We don't put that sweater behind bars. So, the beginning of the serial fraud. While awaiting trial, Albert began a relationship with a highly respected photographer named Lorraine Monk, who at the time was raising funds to establish a photography museum. Albert promised that he could help raise the money by acquiring Picasso's, buste fens, and other like artwork to sell it for profit. So, he's still doing the same great. He was like, "Yeah, girl, don't worry about my prison for this crime." She probably didn't look him up because she was blinded by the sweater. All he would need from her is a hundred thousand dollars. And since his money was stuck in Switzerland, this was the only way that he could help her out. So, he's like, "I would just fund it myself, but you know, the Swiss bank accounts, you know, um..."

• 46:43Speaker 04

  He's like, "Look, I already got the bad bitch. Now, all I need is a hundred thousand dollars."

• 46:48Laci Mosley?

  Right. You saw my last name is Overteen. He changes his last name to hers. You know who you're dealing with. Don't play. So, he was also facing additional fraud charges for a stock certificate that he edited to make it look like a one million dollar certificate. Come on Photoshop, you know that's a part of the game, especially in the 80s. And then tried to use that as collateral to get a $500,000 loan from an investment firm. So, he came in with a piece of paper. This is back when paper worked. And he was like, "Look at this. Now, I'm gonna let y'all hold it. Y'all give me half a million dollars."

• 47:21Laci Mosley?

  Albert was finally sentenced to four years in prison. By 1991, he was out on parole and in Halifax as a Swiss doctor entrepreneur. So he got out on parole. All of a sudden, now he's not in computer science anymore. He didn't go to Harvard anymore. Now he's in Halifax and he's a doctor slash entrepreneur. You know how.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  That's brave. Like, oh, yeah, I do cancer surgeries all the time. Like, in over your head.

• 47:46Laci Mosley?

  I also sell Herbalife.

• 47:51Laci Mosley?

  So he was convicted again that same year and sentenced to three years and then paroled again in 1994. Okay, Al, you really love going to jail. You just like set up my old cot. Y'all know where I like to sleep. Get my commissary ready. This is a lot of jail. Where's your money, kids? They're like, oh, Dad's in jail. He's away again.

• 48:09Speaker 04

  Oh, you know, he does jail. That's like a fucking Malibu rehab anyway. So it doesn't matter.

• 48:13Laci Mosley?

  He's summering in Club Fed. He'll be back soon. So five months later, he was busted yet again on fraud charges and sentenced to two years. Oh, my goodness, he is not gonna give up. I appreciate the perseverance. When he got out, Al returned to Toronto and began a relationship with a woman named Brigitte Baldet. Okay. She's like a Ja Ja Gabor look alike. Perfect for Al's flamboyant personality.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Oh, hell, yeah.

• 48:38Laci Mosley?

  He went and got somebody who looked rich.

• 48:40Speaker 04

  Finally, things are looking up for Al.

• 48:43Laci Mosley?

  He said, I need another woman who looks rich like me so we can do these grifts together. In 1998, Al broke parole when they relocated to Exon Provence, France, where he posed as a Swiss-American tycoon. So he left the doctor part behind. That was a little too hot.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  And, man, I didn't know tycoon was something you could just say you are.

• 49:02Laci Mosley?

  Hey, what's up, John? My name's Lacey. Uh, what do you do for a living?

• 49:06Speaker 04

  Me? Uh, well, you know, I'm, I've been tycooning for a while now.

• 49:12Laci Mosley?

  You know, during the week I tycoon. The weekend I love sailing, you know.

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Well, right now I'm part time, I'm part time with Tycoon and then like, uh, I'm looking for more stuff in the industrialist, uh, space.

• 49:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm just gigging as a tycoon and then, you know, when I get everything else to get like, what? That's not a career. So he told his friends of his plans to buy expensive villas and local businesses that tries right into you saying like, people buying property and hoarding it. He also claimed that he was a licensed pilot with his own private plane, a champion tennis player ranked 14 in the world for his age group, and an accomplished academic working on a doctorate in psychology through the University of Zurich. He gave himself a lot of jobs.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  Well, here's the thing, the world we come from, the comedy world, is just full of people who call you out on shit.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  For fun, like, and, and we look for that and we do it to each other.

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  Even if it's true, we're gonna roast you.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, and the world of rich people is no questions asked. It's just like, okay, yeah, you're a pilot. Okay, world champion tennis player. Why not? We're all stupid rich and like, of course you were. I was too. Fuck it. Like, there's just something about their level of rich where they play by different rules of just like-

• 50:27Laci Mosley?

  It's all hushed whispers over martinis at the country club.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, no way he's a trained pilot. We've never seen him fly. He's never talked about it any other time except to say he's a pilot. It's like, well, who could disagree, honey? Allow the Ovaltine man his pilot license stories.

• 50:43Laci Mosley?

  His dalliances. And also, rich dudes love to get into piloting. That's like their favorite thing. And like, you don't want to risk not being able to get on the PJ because you doubted him when he said he was a pilot.

• 50:52Speaker 04

  Right, yeah, you don't want to get, you don't want to get not flued out.

• 50:55Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. You don't want extended legroom. You want extended seating in a gym in the plane. Like, you're trying to see what's going on. So while in France, Al acquired several valuable paintings by contacting a New York gallery and saying he needed art to decorate his house. I love how when you're rich, you can just be like, hello, mama?

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Buy me some of them arts for my house. What? And they're like, sure, yeah, you you're a tycoon, right? Oh, you fly.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, come on in, tycoon, fly me and my wife to go buy you art, please.

• 51:27Laci Mosley?

  Love it. He wrote them a postdated check for four point three million dollars as he would need time to get the funds released from his trust in Lackenstein. Now, I'm sorry, but postdated checks I thought was something for when you don't have money and you are a regular person. How are you gonna take a postdated four point three million dollar check?

• 51:48Speaker 04

  Well, dude, that's what's crazy, too, when you get to these elite level, like, the billion dollar scammer is doing the same, is doing three card Monte, but just in a slightly different way, you know what I mean? Like, the scams, the scams are all rooted in the same principles, just no matter how high up you get, it's just the amount of zeros that change in these fucking scams.

• 52:05Laci Mosley?

  And people assume a lot, because if you can finagle your way into rooms where rich people have, because, you know, rich people are, like, what you see on Instagram, what you see on TV about lavish parties and celebrities and stuff? That's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to rich people's soirees and secret events that they don't tell you about, because they don't want you to know how much they're harming you by hoarding the wealth that they stole from you. And so if you can get into those rooms, they're like, oh, well, he must deserve to be here. This is this is our most secret party.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, well, that's it, like, yeah, there's no way so and so would allow a scammer in our ranks, we're all rich freaks. Uh, you know what I mean? Like, that party features, uh, asterisk, this party features eight scammers, you know?

• 52:43Laci Mosley?

  Right, but four point three million dollars on Klarna, that's wild.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  That's, yeah, trying to lay away on four, over four mil, like, oh, yeah, uh, here's, writing a check? I would have to count the zeros like multiple times to make sure I wasn't accidentally putting out forty three million or four hundred and thirty thousand, I'd be like.

• 53:01Laci Mosley?

  Right, because that's too many zeros for me, for my money.

• 53:03Speaker 04

  To handwrite, uh, in a check, it's like, what do you put in the memo? Please wait.

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  Don't cash until the thirty, what? It's the first, the paintings are gonna be to you by then, yeah, yeah, yeah, but don't worry about all that, just mail the paintings. So without any collateral, the gallery said, okay, and shipped the paintings, which Albert then sold to the auction house Sotheby's for a seven hundred thousand dollar deposit. So he's a flip, flip this art that he did not own. Money in hand, he and Brigitte left France in a cloud of angry local business owners and bounced chicks. The gallery he stole from then hired a private detective who tracked the couple through Paris and Florence, where Albert was setting up as an antiques dealer. So he's already on to his next grip with the money he got from his last.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  He's on his like fifteenth job. He's just giving himself all these rich people jobs, one after another.

• 53:57Laci Mosley?

  No one works harder in crime than Albert, okay? He's putting in the ten thousand dollars.

• 54:01Speaker 04

  He's hustle, yeah, he's hustling.

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  So the two were arrested and then released because their paperwork from the French authorities arrived late and sent back to France and rearrested in con. So they did get extradited and they were rearrested.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Different kind of con, unfortunately.

• 54:17Laci Mosley?

  I know, a con in con, okay? Con artiste in con France. This time Al was driving a Ferrari while posing as a lawyer, doctor, film producer. Brigitte was acquitted of charges while Al was convicted of fraud, shipped back to Canada and jailed for a parole violation. So the women are getting away and I love that for them.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  As they should.

• 54:38Laci Mosley?

  Brigitte was like, "I was just a bad bitch." Karen was like, "I just am a overteen bad bitch. I don't know what this man has been up to." I thought he was a doctor, lawyer, pilot.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  I just wanted to make highly nutritious chocolate drink, like that's all.

• 54:50Laci Mosley?

  That's all I've been doing is helping the kids.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  I've always wanted to be a tycoon's wife, okay?

• 54:55Laci Mosley?

  So the cycle repeated over and over for the following decade because they just won't lock this man up permanently. They're like, "Ah, just a little bit, let him out. He's so fun and looks rich." As Albert was in and out of jail between a slew of increasingly creative schemes to infiltrate and scam wealthy circles. And why haven't the wealthy talked about him yet? Nobody knows Albert's coming, like he goes to play tennis at the country club and nobody's like, "Get this man out of here."

• 55:16Speaker 04

  Well, that's how, that's how these scammers stay winning, right? Is because like, rich people don't want a cop to be in duped ever. They'll just eat the...

• 55:24Laci Mosley?

  Very bad.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh, just take the L, the 1.1 million dollar L and keep your mouth shut. Like that's what these rich people like, "Well, it was a bad investment. I wasn't fooled by anyone because I'm rich. So that means I'm also intelligent by design."

• 55:37Laci Mosley?

  Right, I have 4.3 million to throw away. It's fine.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Backdate it all you want.

• 55:42Laci Mosley?

  That's a vacation to the Caymans. It's fine. Meanwhile, they're at home like crying themselves to sleep every night. Wow. So he also self-published and held book signings for a book he mostly copied directly from Larry McDonald's Outperforming the Market and used to convince other Marx that he was a finance expert. I mean, he low-key is a finance expert. He's separated a lot of people from their money, which arguably is finance.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, that shit is like all our friends, like all our friends, all our peers who are fucking podcast experts are like just getting their info from other podcast, you know what I mean? Like, we're all experts now. And it's like, this guy's just like, yeah, I've read a book about investing. Let me help you. It's like, yo, I downloaded Robin Hood. I got you.

• 56:23Laci Mosley?

  That's me on the con. I'm like, look, I've read, I've done a lot of comedy about scams. And now I talk with Whoopi Goldberg as the narrator. And that's like the biggest bummer is people coming over to the podcast from watching the con on ABC and realizing how like crazy and unhinged I am and how much cursing and yelling and comedy there is. They're like, she was a buttoned-up talking head, using words like indubitably. And now we're up here and I'm like, bitch, let me tell y'all, they're like, what happened? This is not what we signed up for. We signed up for a classy lady educating us.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  Well, welcome, network classy lady scam fans. This is a fucking, you're in the podcast world now, bitch. It's different, baby.

• 57:04Laci Mosley?

  In 2009, he met a Toronto woman named Mahalia Zavoya New.

• 57:10Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 57:11Laci Mosley?

  The couple met online. Ooh, girl, no. And shortly after she moved into his mental penthouse and signed over her life savings of $80,000 to Albert. So she meets him online. She goes to his penthouse, is giving rich. And then she's like, why not give you my life savings of $80,000, boo? Because we in love. He promised he was going to buy a house for her elderly parents. But in 2012, he told her she would have to move out for a while as his severely depressed daughter was coming to live with him. Oh, no.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  Oh man.

• 57:41Laci Mosley?

  Why I gotta move out?

• 57:42Speaker 04

  Well, doesn't it get sadder as the scam like now it's like an older lady for eighty grand? It was four point three million in art earlier. Like it gets a little more and more desperate as it goes down.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  Extremely desperate. He used this woman, got her, separated her from her money and then discarded her so quickly. And you know, online dating for women is already treacherous if you're dating cis men, because it's always a grift. But then to have someone separate you from your money like this and then kick you out of the home with no money left is that's ruthless. Al, I can't fuck with that. That's so wrong. So the truth was, he had just met someone else, a woman named Antoinette. So he had found another woman. So he was like, you gotta move out temporarily forever. And um, he was like, and she was like, Al, why are you changing the locks? Oh, don't worry about that, baby. Don't worry about that.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  Nothing to worry about here. Yo, you still got that eleven bucks that you said you were gonna give me?

• 58:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. My depressed daughter loves new locks. And she, and she loves to put your, all your belongings on the curb. That's what she asked me to do. And you know, I love my kids. So.

• 58:40Laci Mosley?

  Sorry about that. So Antoinette was fifty-four and working as an executive director at a medical clinic when she met Albert, a charming, ultra wealthy businessman, working on his latest business venture, a Canadian merchant bank called Marwa Holdings. So now he's trying to make a bank.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  Classic. Went from making bank to making a bank.

• 58:59Laci Mosley?

  A bank. He's like, how can I get more people's money? I store it for them.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  You're a banker. I'm a bank-er.

• 59:06Laci Mosley?

  Er. You're, I'm a banker. The couple even attended the Duke of Edinburgh Awards together on an invitation from a law firm Al was close with. So he's still got connection. He's taking her to the award shows, to the fancy rich spaces. So.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  Well, if I'm Al, I'm keeping lawyers around for sure. My man's about to go to jail again, if anything.

• 59:26Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  And his patterns keep true.

• 59:28Laci Mosley?

  He's a lawyer's like wet drink, because he, it just keeps giving, you know?

• 59:33Speaker 04

  There's like a sixteen year old kid who got caught with like a fucking blunt and has been in jail for like ten years. Then there's this guy Al has been arrested nine times, defrauding old people of all their money and just keeps fucking out, stays out there scamming.

• 59:46Laci Mosley?

  A whole life ruiner. Just out in the streets, being a menace to society.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  A whole life ruiner. I like that expression. We got a whole life ruiner out here in the streets.

• 59:56Laci Mosley?

  That is his personal mission. You got a life, he coming to ruin it. Okay?

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Hold on to your life.

• 1:00:01Laci Mosley?

  Hold on to your life, girl, because he's coming to ruin it. After only a couple of months of dating, the couple moved in together and Al convinced Antoinette to sell her house and quit her job. He also convinced Antoinette to invest some of her money from the house sale with him, as well as some of her retirement savings in his company, about a hundred and fifty-five thousand dollars in total. Oh, don't give people your money. Because why do they need your money if they got money? You have to ask yourself that question. If you're rich, why do you need my money?

• 1:00:28Speaker 04

  Well, that's the thing. We get so fooled easily, right? Like, oh, man, I have some money. This guy says he has more. He says he can turn my some money into way more. So you like, let him try, and then it doesn't work, and you're like,

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  And if you let him try, you don't, don't let him try with all of your money.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  Yes, leave a little in something in the tank for yourself.

• 1:00:47Laci Mosley?

  Don't do it. So he drew up a contract and said that he would make her director of Marwah, the bank, which loaned large sums of money at high market interest rates, and claimed to have set up a trust in Antoinette's name despite having been recently made completely dependent on him. So she gave up all her money, which is power in a relationship, you know, a lot of divorces end because of finances. And now he's like, oh, but I set up a little trust for you. How you gonna set up something with my money? How you gonna be like, here's a little bit of your money for you, boo?

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  I got you. I got you. I put your, some of your money in a savings account. You can't touch it for ten years, but you're gonna thank me later.

• 1:01:22Laci Mosley?

  You can't look at it either, but notice there.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  You're gonna like the way you look. Don't you worry.

• 1:01:28Laci Mosley?

  I guarantee it. So they were married in March of twenty thirteen, barely a year after they first met. The ceremony was held in the condo's building's party room. I thought he was rich. Why are you not doing this in the party room? You renting out the condo's party room for the wedding? That's not giving rich.

• 1:01:43Laci Mosley?

  A dinner was held afterwards with twenty of mostly Antoinette's friends and family at an expensive French restaurant. So you at the wedding, and none of your husband's family shows up? That doesn't ring a bell to you? He's like, oh, they can't get here from Switzerland. They're stuck in customs.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  Their sweaters are tied around their neck. It got caught on the Emirates flight that they were flying. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Everything should be like, this should be, you should start sniffing this out. You know what I mean? Like, oh, he has no one from his old life.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  At all. So they have this dinner, twenty of mostly Antoinette's friends and family at an expensive French restaurant. And Al leaves early and left the large bill with Antoinette's uncle.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  And then he's skipping out. Oh, you're dashing and dashing out at the wedding?

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  On your wedding? Ordering fucking food for every, you know, popping bottles and I'd be like, I gotta go.

• 1:02:30Laci Mosley?

  It's a celebration. We'll take the steak with the gold on it. Oh man, y'all gotta go to the bathroom. Why did he take his coat and his keys?

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, Venmo request me if you need any cash. I gotta run.

• 1:02:40Laci Mosley?

  I gotta run. So he's skipping out on your honeymoon. Y'all, y'all at the Virgin Islands and he's like, okay, baby, I gotta leave early for business. Oh wait, we haven't paid the bill. Bye.

• 1:02:50Laci Mosley?

  As a married couple, almost everything in their shared house was Albert's. He had made Antoinette give away or sell most of her belongings, including her furniture, which didn't meet his standards. So he's taking everything away from this woman. She can't even have a chair or a lamp.

• 1:03:05Laci Mosley?

  That's, that's down bad. He wouldn't let you have drapes.

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  Well, that's, that's where it gets desperate. He's like, now he's like pawing it off her fucking clothes to like, trying to sell her clothes on Poshmark and shit like that.

• 1:03:15Laci Mosley?

  Right. She's like, I just saw my grandmother's brooch on, uh, the real real.

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  I went from Rothko to fucking selling my ottoman. Like Jesus Christ, Al. Things have fucking, Al's down bad.

• 1:03:26Laci Mosley?

  He's down real bad and sad. So Al also wanted to know where Antoinette was at all times and with whom, and gave her a GPS enabled cell phone to keep track as well as a monitor of her calls. So now this is like abusive controlling stuff. He's taking everything from this woman. This is terrible.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  It's fucked up. He, he needs more info. He needs, uh, he needs more shit to like, take better advantage of her.

• 1:03:47Laci Mosley?

  Anytime people isolate you from everyone you know and love, anytime they're trying to take control of your finances and things like that, run, cause it's about to get bad. So because Antoinette had no direct access to her money, she continued to try to work it out. Of course, the end of their marriage began a few months in when Antoinette found bank records belonging to Marwa with the other woman's name on them. So remember his previous girl, Mahalia, the one who he kicked out because he said his daughter was depressed. He's still writing her names on these documents. She had signing authority on the company's bank account and Antoinette was supposed to be the director of it. Though she had never heard of this woman, she's like, who is, who is this woman? Like, why is she on these things? At the same time, she took her engagement ring to a jeweler for resizing and learned that it was costume jewelry.

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  Oh man.

• 1:04:33Laci Mosley?

  You gotta run on the praises. He gave you glass. Oh.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  That's, that's heartbreaking.

• 1:04:37Laci Mosley?

  He gave you cubic circumions.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  Why is that a bridge too far in my book? Like, I don't, like, he's done so much brutal fucked up shit and I'm like, oh no.

• 1:04:46Laci Mosley?

  He couldn't even give her a real ring?

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  Like that's, that's when the scammers get to be fucking real depressing is when they're like legit grimy to a fault like yo, you can't like rack up four million in scams and then let this woman have a lavish couple of years at least.

• 1:05:00Laci Mosley?

  Right, you kind of went to Jerry, like all of this. And you went to Claire's for her wedding ring, you are disrespectful. So Antoinette confronted Al on both matters, who explained that Mahalia was simply an associate he was helping. His explanation for the ring was that her ring was a fake one used for traveling and there was a mix up with the actual jeweled ring, gas lighter, like, cause wouldn't she know if she had a real ring for travel? Since she's wearing it? So Albert became violent, especially when Antoinette brought up their marriage problems. Antoinette eventually went to the police, which was Al's final undoing. Finally.

• 1:05:34Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, Al, Al, Al's having some issues with the cops over the course of the fucking, he has to keep jumping countries. Yeah, Interpol's got his fucking photo on lock.

• 1:05:44Laci Mosley?

  Literally, they're like, he goes to the precincts now, he doesn't even have to fingerprint in or take a photo. They're like, we got one on file, just bring him to booking, just bring him to Central, we know who he is. So because of Antoinette's help and the gathering of the documentation, authorities charged Albert with domestic assault and eight counts of fraud totaling 1.2 million dollars. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to only five years in prison.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  Oh, and how many this fucking bitch do? That's the thing too.

• 1:06:12Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. He had left Antoinette tens of thousands of dollars in debt on top of owing thirty thousand dollars in back rent as he put her name on the lease of the apartment.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  Oh, what low stakes scammering, what low stakes fuckery, that's bullshit.

• 1:06:26Laci Mosley?

  Well, he was getting older, he's, this is him retiring. He's like, I'm just doing small grifts now, I don't got time to do four million dollar art fraud. Now I'm just scamming a nice woman who loved me. He also maxed out her line of credit, leaving Antoinette so little that she had to move in with her daughter. Today Albert maintains that it was all a misunderstanding, sure.

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, how many of these were missing? Also, we're looking at a picture of Al in jail right now, and I'm being reminded that in Europe and Canada, jail is different.

• 1:06:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, there's like picnic benches out there.

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's not in the American carceral system for five years. He's in the fuck, you know, he's elsewhere. This motherfucker cannot be touched.

• 1:07:07Laci Mosley?

  And financial crime is not as bad at all, nowhere near violent crime. And so I don't agree with like locking people up and throwing away the key for financial crime, but a situation like this where y'all can pull out his like CBS receipt of incarceration.

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  Like the wake of people's lives ruined in the past, it's like this motherfucker needs to do a little.

• 1:07:24Laci Mosley?

  He needs to stay in the jail because when he comes out, he's gonna do the same thing. We already know he's proven it time and time and time and time again. So this is the type of person who needs to stay under the prison. Don't let him out. Lock him up for real, for real. And I don't even, you know, fight with prison system, but like he's somebody who needs to be put away.

• 1:07:43Laci Mosley?

  If he comes out, he should be able to own a credit card. He's, I wish he never, that should be a violation of parole. If you just see him with a piece of plastic swiping it somewhere, no. Cash only. His parole officer has to check into his job, check his receipts, check everything, like no.

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  How about this Rothko is my bail? No, no, no, we've, we're not a fault for this.

• 1:08:02Laci Mosley?

  It's got gold bricks in it though. You just gotta get it out of customs in Indiana. No, no, no.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  Oh, the gold bricks.

• 1:08:08Laci Mosley?

  So he says it was a misunderstanding and he intended to pay his investors back eventually sometime in the future. He plans to continue rebuilding his life beyond fraud, in part suing Antoinette for the things that she took from their apartment. How you gonna sue me?

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  He's suing her?

• 1:08:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes. According to him, that was fifty thousand dollars in monogrammed silverware, ten thousand dollars, like in, like a value of a wallet, a ten thousand dollar wallet, and seven thousand dollars in a coffee cream set. What?

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 1:08:42Laci Mosley?

  This man is so petty and so small and awful. And I'm so sad that he gets to try to rebuild his life again. Y'all, if you see Al on the dating apps, please do not swipe right.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, do not share your fucking PayPal password with this guy.

• 1:08:58Laci Mosley?

  Don't share anything. Don't tell him your name.

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  Stay away.

• 1:09:02Laci Mosley?

  This is the kind of man who lies about everything. You be like, oh, is it cold out? He be like, no, it feels great. You go out, it's a blizzard. Like, he's just lying for the sake of lying, like. Evil. Well, that brings us to the saddest part of the show, the end where I have to let John go.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:09:18Laci Mosley?

  I know. But before we do, scammer of the week. This is where we highlight Charlotte's worth of our praise or maybe not, let's see. So a twenty-two-year-old New Jersey man, I love this is on the East Coast, a New Jersey man is on the hook after committing unemployment fraud and bragging about it. Okay, I was with you until the bragging.

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, stay low.

• 1:09:38Laci Mosley?

  Willie Carter of Belmar was arrested stealing at least four hundred thousand dollars in unemployment benefits and then posting about it on Instagram. Now, why are you trying?

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  Rookie scam.

• 1:09:48Laci Mosley?

  Cloud is a drug. Cloud is such a drug. Why do you need people to know that you are stealing on Instagram? Don't you know there's gonna be people in your comments congratulating you and also people hating on you who are like, hello, nine-one-one?

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, just do what everyone else did and be like, yo, stay on your grind like me and you can have four hundred thousand dollars. And just no explanation as to how you, a twenty-two-year-old in New Jersey, got a four hundred grand. Just shut your fucking mouth. Don't let anyone eyes, hey, I found a, I found a loophole in this slot machine. You know, it's like, just keep your fucking mouth shut and keep that bad.

• 1:10:20Laci Mosley?

  And you could have become famous on Instagram with the grind culture scam. People like, I, I never sleep. I sleep when I'm dead. That's how I got more money than y'all. That's how I got four hundred thousand dollars. I have several businesses, all legit.

• 1:10:33Laci Mosley?

  You could have started a, a financial, like, info seminar, you know, get people to pay to hop on Zoom where you tell them nothing.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, you could be a financial influencer and be like, this is how I made four hundred grand in no time and just never really touch, give any information of importance and they'll.

• 1:10:47Laci Mosley?

  Just like how we went to Harvard. You just be like, no, you gotta buy, you gotta sell.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  Where Harvard heads for sure over here.

• 1:10:56Laci Mosley?

  You could just say anything. Why would you do this? So Willie applied online for unemployment at least thirty-four times in ten states between June twenty twenty and November twenty twenty using various names. You know, in twenty twenty, the, all the government systems were down bad. They were like, here's money. And now they're going after not the rich people who stole the PPPs, but the, the regular people. They're like, where's your farm? So Willie applied for benefits in New Jersey, Texas, Colorado, and California, among other places. He really spread it around and then transferred the funds to two bank accounts in his name. Investors caught on and when they tracked the IP address of the applications, they found his Instagram page containing photos of stacks of cash as well as pictures and messages about unemployment.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  What a dumbness.

• 1:11:41Laci Mosley?

  Y'all are making the police's job way too easy.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't be pu- like, don't post fucking evidence.

• 1:11:48Laci Mosley?

  Stop filming crime. You putting yourself in 4K. That's embarrassing.

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  No dice. No, not cool. Not a bright move, man. Ah, also scamming unemployment fe- like scamming corporations feels good. Scamming the government feels good. Scamming unemployment just feels like.

• 1:12:04Laci Mosley?

  I mean, that is the government. They take our money and if you never become unemployed, guess what? You never see it. And they love to, and I've had unemployment rightfully so, and something that they like to do is like they'll pay you out and it's accurate. And then when they see that you filing tax returns again, are they like, oh, she got money now. Let's say we paid her too much.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Laci Mosley?

  And then they try to get it back.

• 1:12:23Speaker 04

  Oh shit, you're telling me. That shit happened to me when I was like twenty-five.

• 1:12:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, same. I was around that age and like they were like, oh, hey, now we see you employed again. So, uh, we paid you a little too much. How did you pay me a little too much? You weren't paying me that much.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  It was three forty-four a week. I remember the number because I was trying to make it work, trying to stay alive on three hundred and forty dollars a week.

• 1:12:40Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And they want to act like they gave you a stack of, uh, a week, like, or more. Please. It's such a grift all the way around. So I'm like, I'm not mad at him for scamming, you know, unemployment, but just don't talk about it.

• 1:12:53Speaker 04

  Now, keep your mouth fucking shut, man.

• 1:12:55Laci Mosley?

  He was so excited. He got away with that grift. He had to tell somebody. Why don't you just date somebody, do a little pillow talk? Why, why do you have to? Put it on Instagram where they can find you.

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, tell one person and keep that person paid and quiet.

• 1:13:08Laci Mosley?

  Also, four hundred K is not enough to live a long life on. So if this is your only grift, like, keep it going or.

• 1:13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, keep your mouth shut. Don't fucking shut the money hose off yet.

• 1:13:17Laci Mosley?

  A shame. A shame.

• 1:13:19Speaker 04

  Absolute shame.

• 1:13:20Laci Mosley?

  Willie, I'm embarrassed for you. This is embarrassing and you should be ashamed.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  Get lost, bro. That was.

• 1:13:24Laci Mosley?

  Not about the theft.

• 1:13:25Speaker 04

  You could, you could have fucking eight hundred thousand at this point if you just played it cool.

• 1:13:29Laci Mosley?

  And then we'd be the wiser and we wouldn't be bothered. Wouldn't affect us a bit.

• 1:13:33Speaker 04

  No doubt.

• 1:13:35Laci Mosley?

  But that brings us to the end of the show. We have to let John Gabrus go. So John Gabrus asks, where would you like to be found? Any socials, obviously your True TV, the greatest scam on television, which is not a scam. Watching it is hilarious and so entertaining.

• 1:13:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, find me there. Find 101 Places to Party Before You Die on HBO Max. Find me at Gabrus on Twitter for now and Instagram. And then find me at ActionBoys.biz for my Patreon podcast where I talk about action movies for way longer than I should be.

• 1:14:03Laci Mosley?

  And it's so good. And also Patreon, guys, give us your money, the Patreon I have with Priscilla. If you want to learn about internet, let's get on Patreon and start subscribing to these. They're popping. And as always, you can find me at D I B A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms. If you want to snitch on your friends or family and your enemies, [email protected]. A congregation, stay Schemin, but don't post about it.

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  Stay Schemin and stay keeping your mouth shut.

• 1:14:28Laci Mosley?

  Amen.

• 1:14:34Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Gargbo, engineered by Ryan Connor and Abby Aguilar. Our researcher is Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.