Pod Insights Scam Goddess Fraud Friday: The Long Island Long Con w/ Jon Gabrus About this episode In this week’s Fraud Friday, Laci revisits Episode 11 y'all from 2019 and chats with actor and podcaster Jon Gabrus (Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally). Together, they uncover a legendary Long Island scam; they're talking bilking coins, a love triangle and Harold Adamo. Stay schemin’! (Originally released 12/09/2019)
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2:12 Laci Mosley? What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.
2:54 Laci Mosley? What is up, congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the podcast Scam Goddess. Yes, I named it after me. My name is Lacey Mosley, and I'm so fucking excited for our guest today. You've heard him all over, you've seen him all over.
3:15 Laci Mosley? He has 90 million podcasts.
3:20 Laci Mosley? John Gabrus, how many podcasts do you have?
3:23 Speaker 05 Currently running, I guess now I technically have three.
3:26 Laci Mosley? Currently running?
3:27 Speaker 05 Yes, because Raised by TV, Action Boys, High and Mighty, and then now The Gino Lombardo Show is currently running.
3:34 Laci Mosley? Yes, The Gino Lombardo Show, I'm hearing great things.
3:36 Speaker 05 People are going ape shit. It came out today, so who knows?
3:41 Laci Mosley? No, I'm sure they are. I love it, I love it.
3:43 Speaker 05 I have severe outfit envy, I just want you to know.
3:47 Laci Mosley? Oh, thank you!
3:48 Speaker 05 That's like extremely my shit.
3:49 Laci Mosley? That's a big compliment, because you dress so well.
3:52 Speaker 05 Well, I dressed like shit today because I was inspired, knowing I wasn't gonna have to take an IG shot, so I'm in my gym clothes.
3:59 Laci Mosley? Ooh, hey, oh, wait a minute, was that chartreuse under there? Is that, are those chartreuse compression shorts? Holy shit.
4:05 Speaker 05 It's one piece.
4:06 Laci Mosley? So you did Hot Girl Summer. Oh, that's chubby?
4:08 Speaker 05 It's Chubbies, it's one piece, the underwear's built in. No, they never let me model.
4:12 Laci Mosley? Chubbies, what are you doing?
4:13 Speaker 05 Yeah, what the fuck, Chubbies? That's the scam of the century is me becoming a plus size model.
4:18 Laci Mosley? You killed it on there, though. They had this like ad campaign and like so many people voted for you. They were just doing that as advertisement. That was a fucking scam.
4:24 Speaker 05 That's what bullshit, because I knew it was bullshit when the 10 finalists were selected by the people running the competition and votes were only 10% of the value. I'm like, motherfucker, that is such a cop out. That's so, I mean, ideally, it's so that they could hopefully pick people of all different types, rather than just the 10.
4:43 Laci Mosley? Yeah, but that's like.
4:44 Speaker 05 Come on now, I had the most popular one.
4:46 Laci Mosley? You had the most votes. That means that you should have won something. That's bullshit, because it's like, oh, you're higher. We're gonna do this based on votes, but they only count for 1% of our decision.
4:54 Speaker 05 I know, and so it's like, you gotta hustle. And then I'm like, the rest of it is just like vague, whatever you want. Okay. I, I assume, I like to pretend it's because my Instagram is probably not, you know, marketing worthy.
5:05 Laci Mosley? What?
5:06 Speaker 05 Like, like, it's just, it's not, it's R rated. It's a hard R.
5:09 Laci Mosley? Oh, yeah, you know.
5:10 Speaker 05 I, I say the N word with a hard R.
5:14 Laci Mosley? We're leaving that in? We're leaving it in?
5:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, of course.
5:18 Laci Mosley? Now, at this point in the podcast, I haven't told anyone that I was black.
5:21 Speaker 05 Oh, shit. No, none of your listeners know.
5:23 Laci Mosley? I reveal it. I reveal it every episode. If you hear me say nigga, I am black. I'm one of the blackest.
5:29 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. And you know what? Uh, same here.
5:33 Speaker 05 If I say the N word, if I say the N word, it's because I'm black, right? Got it. Moving on.
5:39 Laci Mosley? Yes, John Gabrus, a black man.
5:41 Speaker 05 Don't worry, I will not say the N word. I stopped doing that a while ago. Like 18 months, I learned, 18 months.
5:47 Laci Mosley? Months ago? That's too recent.
5:49 Speaker 05 Well, I stopped, I, I said it along with music for way too long. Now I even.
5:53 Laci Mosley? Were you at least in your own home?
5:54 Speaker 05 In my own home or car? Yeah, I'm not.
5:55 Laci Mosley? That's where, okay, listen, I just want to say, white people out there, we know y'all saying the N word in your home. And we know, we know, we know you're in your car.
6:04 Speaker 05 I doubt most of them that are saying in their home are rapping along to Juicy J.
6:08 Laci Mosley? You get in your car, you're just like, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga. And then you look around and you're like, whoo, that felt good. I know you gotta get it off your chest. Just don't fucking make videos of it. Don't fucking say it to me.
6:20 Speaker 05 Don't do it in the makeup chair at your job.
6:22 Laci Mosley? Right. I don't pay your fucking rent. I do not pay your car note. Okay, I'm not giving you permission. I'm not saying, don't go out there and say, Lissy told you how to say nigga in your cars. Because I didn't. If I look over and I'm driving and you're just niggering away, like, you might get side swiped.
6:36 Laci Mosley? I didn't tell you to do that, but I am saying I know you do it.
6:39 Speaker 05 Saying it as a I N G word is very funny. If I see you hittering in your car, see, I could radio edit myself live.
6:47 Laci Mosley? Yes, exactly. I don't know why so many people act like it's so difficult. It's not. And listen, I will give y'all nigger. I will give white people nigger if I can have rights, full rights in society.
6:56 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, it's not worth it. Well, you can keep the word.
7:00 Speaker 05 Never mind, never mind.
7:01 Laci Mosley? I'll bring it to you.
7:02 Speaker 05 Never mind. I wanted to be able to say it, but not for like equal rights. That shit is gonna be a problem in the long run.
7:09 Laci Mosley? I'm like, shit. No, I'm offering it to you right now. White people, you can have nigger. You can say the hard R. Just give me rights. Stop your police from killing us. Like, and that's a joke, but it's also very fucking real. Y'all don't wanna do that, so stop trying to say nigger. Leave us alone.
7:23 Speaker 05 I feel like Zig knew the second I had you had me on the podcast, it would be the longest discussion of the N-word.
7:28 Laci Mosley? Listen, I love, I love a problematic pod. Listen, but uh, these are jokes, people. Sometimes people be in my uh, reviews, like giving me all this hardcore journalistic advice. I am not a journalist. I feel like I have to say this so many times.
7:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
7:43 Laci Mosley? That is a scam.
7:44 Speaker 05 I have to keep constantly remind podcast listeners that I'm an idiot and I'm doing comedy. Like, relax.
7:49 Laci Mosley? It's a comedy. They be like, why y'all laugh so much? Why there's so many jokes?
7:53 Speaker 05 They're like, the lead singer of Rush is actually. I'm like, shut the fuck up. I was talking extemporaneously for two and a half hours.
7:59 Laci Mosley? You think I gotta research like I got a computer up here right now? Like, I'm not here to educate you. I mean, I am. I am here to educate you on scams. But beyond that.
8:08 Speaker 05 But be, and I, I love that your podcast is about scams. That's such a fucking exciting topic.
8:13 Laci Mosley? It's so fun. It's been such a good ass time. I've learned some scams. I've inspired people to do scams.
8:18 Speaker 05 Oh, it's not, it's not necessarily a negative portrayal of scams.
8:21 Laci Mosley? Oh, no, no, no. We worship scammers here. We, we uh, I support them fully. You know what I mean? I've, I've offered to advertise some scams on the show if people want to.
8:30 Speaker 05 Oh, hell yeah. Let's get some MLMs advertising on this show.
8:33 Laci Mosley? No, all of our ads are real, guys. Our ads are not scams. That's the only thing about this podcast. It is not a scam. I feel the need to say that.
8:40 Speaker 05 That's fair. Please use my products and my promo code.
8:43 Laci Mosley? My promo code is scam a lot, though.
8:46 Laci Mosley? Which I love that ads are down for that. I love that they're down for that.
8:50 Speaker 05 Uh, yes, just, uh, put in the promo code scam and we show up at your house and take your mattress out of your living room or whatever.
8:56 Laci Mosley? It's a reverse Casper situation. We take your mattress from you.
9:00 Speaker 05 That's the scam. You gotta buy it back.
9:03 Laci Mosley? Right. So, uh, speaking of talking about scams, uh,
9:08 Speaker 05 Oh, solid transition. Speaking of talking about scams.
9:14 Speaker 05 If only there was a shorter way.
9:15 Laci Mosley? I'm not a journalist.
9:16 Speaker 05 And that I am well aware.
9:19 Laci Mosley? Chocolate bar roast in my ass.
9:22 Laci Mosley? So we like to start off every episode with like, what's hot in fraud? Um, and sometimes that'll just be me warning you about what's going on, new scams, new ways to watch out for your credit card, a lot of it involving gas stations.
9:35 Laci Mosley? Gas stations are where a lot of scams are born and Brooklyn. Brooklyn is the Silicon Valley of scams. I've said it before.
9:40 Speaker 05 I believe that. I lived there for seven years.
9:42 Laci Mosley? Instead of black turtlenecks, everyone's wearing like chains and, um, very loud meego's blouses, but, but it's the same deal. So, uh, guys, if you have a scam that you've retired, if you have a scam run on you that you want to share, you can always email us at [email protected] .
9:57 Speaker 05 Oh, I like that you say a scam that you retired, like, cause these scam artists are like, I'm not blowing my shit up.
10:01 Laci Mosley? Hell no, I don't want to fuck up the bag. I want you to get your money and then once you're tired, you share with me. Now, this scam comes from a gentleman, I'm not going to say his name. Um, he gives me these specifics, so I will read them, but I'm not going to say where you're from either. So he says, I'm a gay mortician in blank city. I don't know why he had to tell me he was a gay mortician.
10:23 Speaker 05 Yeah, I know. Just say mortician. We know you're all gay.
10:27 Speaker 05 The stereotype no one knows.
10:28 Laci Mosley? Right. So he's a gay mortician who has access to electronic databases for death certificate registry and the ability to create them. He went with his man, he went with his man, honey, to Vegas one year for a getaway while also taking 25 online class units in a college to finish his undergrad. So he said he ends up getting drunk so hard in Vegas that he forgot about his midterm that was due the same weekend.
10:56 Speaker 05 Ooh.
10:57 Laci Mosley? He says, when I woke up, right. He says, when I woke up on Monday after I got home from that latest hell Sunday, I realized the grave error I made. Is that supposed to be a pun, sir?
11:08 Laci Mosley? Suddenly, the ability to scam came alive in me.
11:12 Speaker 05 Oh shit, that's how it happens.
11:13 Laci Mosley? I don't know if it just comes alive in you.
11:15 Speaker 05 You're born with the scam ability. It is the chosen one, the gay mortician. Scams are alive inside of you, my son. Release them upon the world.
11:24 Laci Mosley? Yeah, he pulled the sword out of the stone. He pulled the body out of the drawer. Like, what is this? So it says, "I emailed my teacher that I did not get rest all weekend due to my neighbor's child passing away by peanut allergy." Damn.
11:38 Speaker 05 Jesus.
11:39 Laci Mosley? He said that he basically had been helping every waking moment that weekend and could not do his midterm. He said that he was sorry and that, um, the professor asked him to send a copy of the death certificate and program, and he would count his final for both terms and last testing. So basically, if you send me a death certificate proving that this really happened, I will just count your final twice and you don't have to take the midterm exam.
12:04 Speaker 05 It's crazy that teachers have to get to that level because people do do the scam. I know.
12:09 Laci Mosley? But also it's like, come on now, just let me say somebody died and let's move on from this. We both know I'm lying. Now I gotta get on here and Photoshop. You know how many times I killed off my auntie?
12:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, I have some, my mom has had to come through and be like, okay, look, someone did die.
12:24 Laci Mosley? When I was in college, my auntie died so much.
12:27 Speaker 05 My mom has definitely lied about grandmas dying before. You don't believe me? Ask my mom. Mom, I need a really weird favor. If a teacher calls and asks, "Just say your mom died recently, not 10 years ago."
12:41 Laci Mosley? Okay. Bring up your, I know this is traumatic for you, probably still, but I'm gonna need this from you.
12:46 Speaker 05 And I know you probably don't wanna, you know, resurface at all on behalf of your slacker son, but let's get to work.
12:52 Laci Mosley? Let's get to work. So.
12:55 Speaker 05 Choosing a child death is intense too. Because then you put like some real stress and sadness on the person listening too.
13:01 Laci Mosley? Super sadness.
13:02 Speaker 05 Like a grandma or grandpa dying, you can like wrap your head around.
13:04 Laci Mosley? So, and normally, you know, I don't like to read sad shit. That's not what we do on this podcast. But he said that he had to use the child because, and this is where the fucked up part comes in. He says, "So, I had a boy who died with a peanut allergy two weeks ago at the funeral home, and I had access to all the printed materials we use for a service and death certificate. I printed the death certificate, blacked out the parents' information and social security numbers so he could not be found. I also went into our online database at the funeral home and changed the dates of the service to correlate with the date coming."
13:36 Speaker 05 This is, this is a scam that isn't for everybody.
13:40 Laci Mosley? You have a lot of access to do this scam. I photoshopped an obit, okay? Those are made in Word.
13:47 Laci Mosley? My family is so black, they love putting somebody like in some clouds or some shit. So, you know, it's very basic editing.
13:53 Speaker 05 You know, we got so, with plenty of photos of, uh, women in, in cloud photos.
13:58 Laci Mosley? You know, they said, go sunrise, sunset. That's the, that's the beginning of every black program. So you just gotta change that sunset, baby. Change that sunset, baby.
14:08 Laci Mosley? So he printed all of this out and then the icing on the cake is he used Adobe Photoshop to crop some pictures of himself into a barbecue that he was having at his house.
14:21 Speaker 05 Jesus, he went for it. Probably unnecessary, but now he's just getting cocky.
14:25 Laci Mosley? I feel like you don't need to also submit proof of you being at a fake barbecue.
14:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, he's holding up a newspaper and shit like, it's today's date, I promise.
14:34 Laci Mosley? Like you went on Facebook, found this little boy family barbecue, edited yourself. Did you have to go take pictures outside to match the lighting? Like you went outside, took a picture with a, with a damn Pat's blue ribbon in your hand, like.
14:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, he's like, hey, Brian, we need a, we need a children's corpse ASAP. I gotta post this photo of me giving a thumbs up next to it to prove to my teacher, my teacher, my online course.
14:55 Laci Mosley? Also, this is an online course.
14:56 Speaker 05 He doesn't even know what you, he doesn't even know what you look like. Why do you have to Photoshop yourself in if it's online? You can use any photo you want. That's me, Conan the Barbarian, standing there at a children's funeral.
15:05 Laci Mosley? And it's online course, like it's online school even reputable. Online school is a scam.
15:10 Speaker 05 It, it's probably a healthy dose of it, but college in general is a scam. So maybe online, uh, is like the easiest way to be scammed. It's probably a little cheaper than going to a liberal arts school.
15:20 Laci Mosley? Remember when Shaq used to be selling in Phoenix University?
15:23 Speaker 05 Shaq is my, Shaq is one of the richest people I know who has no qualms about visibly slumming in front of everybody.
15:29 Laci Mosley? At all.
15:30 Speaker 05 He's like, all right, yeah. So next up, these are my brand French fries. You can bake them. It's like, Shaq, how much money, how much money is Shaq making for the general? Because they don't have, the fucking budget of the ads themselves is awful.
15:42 Laci Mosley? Right.
15:43 Speaker 05 And so you got Shaq, they probably blew all the money on Shaq.
15:45 Laci Mosley? Yeah. So then they're doing a handheld recorder from the nineties.
15:47 Speaker 05 Yeah, even like his Icy Hot ad is just like him on a black screen, like him with like nothing in the background, just like, I use Icy Hot.
15:53 Laci Mosley? It's me, Shaq. I love Icy Hot. I put it on my body. It's icy and it's hot.
16:00 Laci Mosley? They didn't even spend money on somebody writing copy. They're like Shaq, Shaq, just riff.
16:04 Speaker 05 He's a master improviser. If you've ever watched NBA on TNT, it should be fine.
16:09 Speaker 05 It's true. He is a solid, he's solid out of the pocket. He's good.
16:13 Laci Mosley? So.
16:14 Speaker 05 So Shaq, I'll go to your online college is what I'm saying.
16:17 Laci Mosley? Right. Shaq, if you want to make your own online college outside of Phoenix University, I will attend it.
16:24 Speaker 05 I've got 12 degrees. That would be such a great, fuck dude, I want to do an online scam. So I, uh, school scam. So I have like 24 majors. I want to be like, I also have a master's. Yeah. And like, just keep listing all the shit I have.
16:36 Laci Mosley? Honestly, don't get a degree anymore. Just say you got it. You know what I mean? There's so many ways. There's so much Photoshop. You don't have to actually go out and get a degree anymore.
16:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, I know. I, I can't believe like it was 15 years ago or whatever, where I had to write my GPA on a resume.
16:48 Laci Mosley? Right. Everything's on Google, bro. So he says, I ended up getting an A in that class. Love the show. Scammer mortician.
16:56 Speaker 05 Oh, hell yeah. That's awesome. And I hope he gets plenty more business that he can,
17:03 Speaker 05 he can exploit the deaths of children more for his benefit.
17:08 Laci Mosley? Oh damn. I mean, look, I have killed off an auntie. I have not gone and changed the database on a website and, uh, photoshopped myself into photos with her, but.
17:16 Speaker 05 Oh me, it's a little scary for me to do stuff like that because I know there's no correlation, but God forbid something happens shortly after me lying about that. I'll feel, I'll feel that shit in my bones.
17:26 Laci Mosley? Right.
17:27 Speaker 05 Like if you're like, make up a lie about your aunt and then she passes away, I'd be like,
17:31 Laci Mosley? No, you can only kill people who are already dead.
17:33 Speaker 05 That's the move. Right, right, right. That way if they come back to life, then it's good.
17:39 Laci Mosley? Yeah, you can't kill people who are alive. That's just too risky.
17:41 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, it's not worth it. Your, your, uh, your online fucking communications professor might run into a child who's still alive. And be like, I thought you died from a peanut allergy.
17:52 Laci Mosley? Right. Also, the fuck, like you're an online teacher. Like, why are you asking for so much? Like, you know, people are lying. Just be like, okay, we'll make your final count as double. Like, don't make me produce all this information. Don't make me go to Kinko's.
18:03 Speaker 05 Just be like, if you want to take a B minus, I'll give it to you right now. That's the shit I want. I want to be like, look, I don't have the time to do it, blah, blah, blah. Teacher just goes, I don't give a shit either. I'll give you an eighty-four right now. I'm like, I'll take it.
18:16 Laci Mosley? Like, what are we really doing here? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I have to show you that I learned the things that you taught me. Like, let's just skip that.
18:22 Speaker 05 Let's just be real. We're just trying to get to the point where I have a degree so I can get some shitty job. You know, like, I just need to demonstrate that I did college.
18:29 Laci Mosley? Cut to the fucking chase. I was so glad I had a professor like that in college, because I have a business degree, and I hated finance. And there was like a corporate finance class that I had to take, and I waited until my last semester to take it, which was fucking stupid. Um, I was on scholarship. And so like, what I would do in a lot of my business classes is I would like show up, top of the class hours, looking real rough. Like, I, you know, wouldn't comb my hair. Like, I'd wear, you know, some rags, some eighteenth-century rag.
18:53 Speaker 05 This is hard, this is hard for me to even picture.
18:56 Laci Mosley? I would do it. And I'd come in, and I'd be like, oh, my god, this class is so hard. Like, can you help me with these problems? Can you give me, what's the answer to the homework? Like, I would just do this.
19:05 Speaker 05 Come in looking sad on purpose, looking beat up?
19:08 Laci Mosley? And they would give me answers, and they would like, this worked for me all the time. And I had one professor, who his class was so fucking hard, that when I graduated, I was walking across the stage, and I leaned over to him, and I was like, is this coming in the mail? The diploma? I was like, am I gonna get this shit in the mail, or no?
19:25 Speaker 05 Am I opening, am I opening up just a big letter that says sorry inside this thing?
19:30 Laci Mosley? He was like, yeah, yeah.
19:30 Speaker 05 Why'd they even print a diploma that just says sorry? That's brutal.
19:34 Laci Mosley? They're fucking dicks. The University of Pittsburgh, sorry!
19:38 Laci Mosley? That's rude as shit. No, I was like, is it gonna come in the mail? He was like, yeah, yeah, it's coming. I was like, okay, thank you. I used to pretend to be like, underprivileged youth, because every time I told somebody I was at school on scholarship, they'd be like, oh, for athletics? I was like, no, bitch, academics. I'm fucking smart. But I'm black, so they'd be like, so you run fast?
19:54 Speaker 05 Oh, that's better, that's better than just saying, like, your family's poor?
19:58 Laci Mosley? That was the next assumption, which was funny, because my family was not poor. I only went to school out of state because I wanted, I wanted to leave state, so I was like, oh, okay, I'll get a scholarship. I knew I was gonna be an actor, and I wasn't gonna make money for a while, so I went and did that. Uh, but no, my parents could have paid for college.
20:14 Speaker 05 It's really, it's really funny that you, uh, went to your teacher looking hurt to get, uh, where, for you, I guess it works on both ends. Like, if you showed up looking fine, you could like, showed up all dressed up, all gussied up, and you're like, I'm having trouble with this question, you'd get the answer too.
20:27 Laci Mosley? See, I don't know if I would. Then they'd be like, you're not trying. You're not applying yourself.
20:32 Speaker 05 You have to act like you were hustling.
20:33 Laci Mosley? Yeah, I gotta look like I had already applied myself before I came.
20:38 Laci Mosley? And that didn't work.
20:39 Speaker 05 It's so hard for me as a student athlete. They're like, what sport? You're like, shut up. All right, never mind. Let's get out.
20:47 Laci Mosley? What sport do you play? Um, running?
20:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, is running a sport? Cause I'm good at that. I'm fast.
20:52 Laci Mosley? I do, I do running. I'm very fast. Um, did I mention I'm black?
20:56 Speaker 05 Can't you just see I'm an athlete? Let's go.
20:57 Laci Mosley? Yeah, you know, growing up in the inner cities.
21:00 Speaker 05 I'm wearing tights. Let's move. I got leggings on. You know, I'm an athlete.
21:03 Laci Mosley? You said you're from Frisco, Texas. Yeah, the inner cities of Frisco, Texas. Um, you know what I'm saying?
21:08 Speaker 05 You don't know where that is. Yeah.
21:11 Laci Mosley? We got one small ghetto.
21:14 Speaker 05 I mean, I don't live anywhere near it. Thank God, but.
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24:09 Laci Mosley? And it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I'm gonna regale Mr. Gabrus with a fantastical tale of fraud.
24:18 Speaker 05 Ooh.
24:19 Laci Mosley? We're gonna get his opinions on it. So Gabrus, you're from Long Island.
24:22 Speaker 05 That's correct. Have I ever mentioned that on a podcast before?
24:25 Laci Mosley? I think Long Island is becoming a brand of yours.
24:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's going, hey, I'm leaning in. I'm like five days away from becoming like a Long Island version of Larry the Cable Guy.
24:34 Laci Mosley? And I want it. Everybody wants it.
24:36 Speaker 05 I need it, actually.
24:38 Laci Mosley? People are looking right now for that, that voice of America again.
24:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, people are like, you know what? Let's get some white people and I got, I'm gonna stand out by being from Long Island.
24:48 Laci Mosley? It's gonna work.
24:49 Speaker 05 It's gonna work for me.
24:50 Laci Mosley? So this is a historic hoodwink about a man named Harold Adamo.
24:55 Speaker 05 Okay.
24:56 Laci Mosley? He's a rare coin dealer who has been accused of $330,000 in coin consignment and sales fraud, in which he bilked, I love the word bilked.
25:07 Speaker 05 Oh, bilked sounds so good.
25:09 Laci Mosley? It just rolls off the tongue. He bilked several coin dealers and private collectors out of money, gold and collectible coins under the guise of legitimate coin deals. So he allegedly took advantage of long-term business relationships and stole collectibles and cash. Now, what's crazy is, is like, some of these relationships span over 20 years.
25:27 Speaker 05 And he just like lightly scammed them every once in a while? Or is he bilking them non-stop? By the way, bilking someone non-stop, I felt uncomfortable saying.
25:36 Laci Mosley? Yeah, it sounds sexual.
25:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, fuck, I haven't been bilked since I was in college. That's where they pour milk in your butt, right?
25:44 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
25:45 Speaker 05 Okay, good.
25:45 Laci Mosley? Yeah, that works. And then the B, but milk bilk, yeah, you get it.
25:49 Speaker 05 Thanks for explaining my joke.
25:50 Laci Mosley? So at age 15, Rococo Marini, love that name.
25:55 Speaker 05 Oh, that's not an alias? That's not a fake name?
25:57 Laci Mosley? It's a real name. You would think I make the names up on this show because they're always so fucking insane. But scammers love a, love a crazy name. So Rococo Marini began buying and selling irregular sweaters at flea markets. By his early twenties, the enterprising Marini had amassed millions from his growing textile business. Several years later, Rococo Marini, at 54 years of age, and his wife Josephine, at 50, became close friends with Harold Adamo, one of their neighbors. The two men and their wives socialized regularly and became godparents to each other's children. Yeah, when I hear socialized regularly, that sounds like fucking.
26:36 Speaker 05 That's some, that's some small-town fucking.
26:38 Laci Mosley? Small-town fucking.
26:39 Speaker 05 I love it.
26:39 Laci Mosley? 50s fucking. I love it.
26:41 Speaker 05 The best guy.
26:44 Speaker 05 If I'm gonna watch anyone fuck, it's gonna be four 50-year-old people.
26:47 Laci Mosley? Ooh, hot.
26:48 Speaker 05 I'm not against it.
26:48 Laci Mosley? Hey, listen, I'm not sex shaming. You get out of here, I wanna, I wanna nut till I die, okay?
26:54 Speaker 05 That could be a race.
26:55 Laci Mosley? Just a puff of smoke.
26:56 Speaker 05 I want to not until I die and I want to die in five days.
27:01 Laci Mosley? No, but I want to be 95, just like.
27:05 Speaker 05 Matthew McConaughey's dad died fucking his mom. Isn't that like a fucking?
27:08 Laci Mosley? That's beautiful.
27:09 Speaker 05 Isn't that amazing?
27:10 Laci Mosley? That's like The Notebook.
27:14 Speaker 05 I guess I've never, I don't remember The Notebook that well, but.
27:17 Laci Mosley? You remember that scene where they had sex and then they die?
27:19 Speaker 05 And she finishes still. She's like, hold on, rigor mortis has set in. Give me another minute here.
27:24 Laci Mosley? Oh, Lord. Oh, God. What a dark, ugh.
27:29 Speaker 05 What a dark thing. Let's get back to this guy stealing from an elderly married couple.
27:33 Laci Mosley? So what I love about this is like, yeah, they have to be fucking. My mom, uh, used to try to hang out with our neighbors. They would have bongo nights, which is where I guess they would play the dice game bongo, which is just like, I don't know, a white people, a rich white people game where you, I don't know.
27:49 Speaker 05 Oh, I don't know. I'm a poor white person. So we didn't have that game. We had poker and dice. I grew up playing dice with my friends.
27:56 Laci Mosley? Dice, you know, where sometimes you stab someone, sometimes you don't.
28:00 Speaker 05 Wow. This is a very weird, this might be weird for listeners to hear a white guy telling a black girl, I grew up playing dice. I don't know what game that is. I grew up shooting dice in the alley.
28:10 Laci Mosley? Hey, look, we're all monolith. Uh, but I do keep my secret lifestyle of having a privileged life to myself.
28:17 Speaker 05 Hey, smart.
28:18 Laci Mosley? It's, it's medium privileged. We were just like medium upper, upper middle class, not like crazy.
28:22 Speaker 05 Yeah, like, just like Fountain in the Yard.
28:24 Laci Mosley? Not, not like Tyler Perry, uh, Greenleaf. Okay, not Greenleaf rich.
28:30 Speaker 05 Oh, you're not, uh, building your millions on the back of non-union actors?
28:35 Speaker 05 Tyler Perry, great scam.
28:36 Laci Mosley? He is a great scammer. Listen.
28:38 Speaker 05 But he also is making fucking art for people to watch, so.
28:41 Laci Mosley? We can, we, we'll call it art.
28:44 Laci Mosley? It's something, it's something. It's recorded.
28:47 Speaker 05 Madea is my Tony Soprano.
28:50 Laci Mosley? Yo Tyler Perry killed me because I think he made Akramoni in a week and I talk about this with people because please watch the movie Akramoni. It's so fucking bad that it's good.
28:59 Speaker 05 A few, like, I think he has like a one in four that come out that you were like, oh, this is an actual movie. And then like three out of four are like, this is an insurance scam where you had access to a baseball field and you shot a movie.
29:12 Laci Mosley? And a green screen. I'm not even kidding. I've never seen someone shoot a walking and talking scene, like a walk and talk on a green screen. That doesn't move.
29:19 Speaker 05 Like two tread mills.
29:20 Laci Mosley? Green screen doesn't move. And here they are, just a walk-in. I'm like, there's a boat in the back, the boat hasn't moved at all. Truly, you love to see it. The audacity of that movie to be in theaters. I love it. I live for it. So, these swingers, uh, Rococo. So Rococo Marini thought he had a foolproof way to boost his assets, um, investing in a pals coin business. This is obviously Harold. So, in 2002, approximately 10 years after they became friends, the Adamos surprised the Marinis by unexpectedly joining them during a Caribbean vacation.
29:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, unexpectedly. Okay, yeah.
29:59 Laci Mosley? Like all on the Carnival cruises, like, what are you doing here?
30:03 Speaker 05 Yeah, I had a friend back in the day who was like, oh, these are my friends I go on a cruise with. I'm like, oh, are they a couple? He's like, yeah. And I'm like, just the three of you going on a cruise? He's like, yeah, but we're just all friends. I was like, you don't have to lie to me.
30:14 Laci Mosley? Yeah, you can say that you're fucking these people and that they're taking you on this cruise for free.
30:19 Speaker 05 Exactly.
30:20 Laci Mosley? We also in the same stateroom.
30:22 Speaker 05 I get to wear the Mickey Mouse ears.
30:25 Laci Mosley? I get to keep all the towel animals after we fuck on them. So, they go on this unexpected Caribbean vacation. During the vacation, Marini and Adamo began discussing coin transaction. Marini expressed interest in investing in these coins. Okay, so, Adamo proposed that Marini invest some of his wealth in rare coins that he would select for him. So to reassure Marini, Adamo made certain representations, including that Adamo would be investing in the same coins as Marini. So basically, we're gonna go in on the same coins, so I have as much to lose as you do. The coins were liquid and Marini could sell them on 24 to 48 hours' notice.
31:03 Speaker 05 Okay.
31:04 Laci Mosley? And Adamo would only charge a small commission on each coin that he sold to Marini. Over time, Adamo also provided Marini with written statements purporting to show the market value of the coins that Marini had purchased.
31:17 Speaker 05 Never invest in something that you don't fully understand, right? Like, isn't that like a go-to?
31:21 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
31:22 Speaker 05 Like, if you're like, "I'm gonna buy land." It's like, "I don't know shit about land. Let me look into it." "I don't know shit about collectible coins."
31:28 Laci Mosley? And also, don't get educated by the person who's gonna make money off of you, because then I'm going to fucking tell you whatever I want.
31:33 Speaker 05 Also, yeah, don't you just have like a stock, the stocks or something? I don't even know. Like, that's how broke I have been my whole life. I'm like, "Don't you have stocks?" I don't even know what that means. But like, to choose coins and be like, "Nah, I trust you. I got..." "Don't worry about our future, children. I got this fucking rare coin in the attic." I'd be like, "Fuck you, mom."
31:51 Laci Mosley? Coins, like, are those really worth shit? This is 2002, so this is before the housing market bubble in 2008. So this is when people still had money to blow on dumb shit.
32:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, cuz they have to pay their like $4,800 a month balloon mortgage that they're trapped in right now.
32:06 Laci Mosley? Exactly. So unbeknownst to Marini, Adamo was defrauding him. Duh, like, if...
32:14 Speaker 05 So he's giving them fake coins and also collecting a commission on, like, that's such a...
32:18 Laci Mosley? So Adamo would buy coins at low prices and then sell them to Marini at exorbitant markups. For example, Adamo would buy a 1988 $1 Morgan Silver Bitcoin, April 2003, for $200. And then he would sell the coin to Marini, December 2003, for $100,000.
32:37 Speaker 05 What? Okay, so that's not just a little bit of money you have that you're investing. That's a lot of... If you're buying $100,000...
32:43 Laci Mosley? That's a big-ass markup.
32:45 Speaker 05 If I don't, I don't know much about collectible coins, but it sounds like he just instantly lost 900 and... He instantly lost $99,999. A dollar coin for 100 grand? Seems like, "Yeah, I got a $20 bill. You have 60 bucks? I'll sell it to you right now." That's a quick scam.
33:01 Laci Mosley? What the fuck? Also, like, Harold, you are greedy as fuck. You couldn't have bought a $200 coin and sold it to my mans for like $1,200?
33:10 Speaker 05 I know! I know, isn't it not enough to make $1,000 off the guy who's been fucking your wife on cruises for the life of...
33:15 Laci Mosley? Right, y'all been fucking each other's wives on these cruises. Y'all haven't built a rapport. You've seen each other's dicks.
33:21 Speaker 05 Yeah, you've seen your, you've seen his... I'm gonna be way too specific, based on the fucking swinger amateur shit I've been watching.
33:28 Laci Mosley? Right. What?
33:29 Speaker 05 Another, continue.
33:33 Laci Mosley? So in another instance, Adamo sold, I keep calling him Adamo and Harold, but that's the same guy, guys. Harold sold Marini an 1880 Morgan Stanley coin, another dollar coin, for 250,000 in December of 2002. And then just one month later, bought back the same exact coin for himself from another dealer for only 33,500 dollars.
33:57 Speaker 05 Jesus.
33:59 Laci Mosley? How much money did Marini have?
34:01 Speaker 05 Holy shit, what a fucking cash cow if your neighbor's like, hey, I'm looking to spend some money. Do you, can you help me? It's like, sure. What are you looking to spend? Oh, five, 600,000 dollars. Be like, oh shit, well, I got two coins with your fucking name on it.
34:13 Laci Mosley? No, I can help you. And then let me tell you how the business works. Don't go online.
34:17 Speaker 05 And also flip her over. She likes it from behind for a little bit. I imagine all the business deals are happening while they're drinking like big ass fucking margaritas and fucking each other. While everyone's guts are slapping together.
34:30 Laci Mosley? Oh, God. Oh, what an image. So Harold was told in August 2018 that he had a buyer for 18 ounces of gold and an 1837 dime.
34:42 Speaker 05 Ooh, shit. I don't know much about coins, but I know that one is good.
34:46 Laci Mosley? Is that a slave dime?
34:51 Laci Mosley? You know, we really want that one. And see, and that's when white people are saying the N word in their homes. He probably got that dime and was like, nigger.
34:58 Speaker 05 In 1837, I think they were saying it, saying it wherever they wanted to, unfortunately.
35:03 Laci Mosley? And that's why he wanted the coin so bad to get, uh, rub it and think of better times.
35:08 Speaker 05 Just rub it, thinking about racism is like the weirdest shit ever. It's like, how racist you gotta be to just like, like, uh, rub the wood of a plantation.
35:16 Laci Mosley? Oh, that's what they fucking do. I went on a tour in Savannah and I only went on one because I realized they were all the same. And it was like this old southern like mansion that obviously slaves worked in. The tour guide had a little bit of Asperger's that I diagnosed myself, which is fucked up. Um, but she just seemed like she was on the spectrum and she was really slave heavy on this tour, which I loved.
35:36 Speaker 05 It's weird. It's weird to like slave history shit like is not, it's so prevalent like.
35:43 Laci Mosley? It's so prevalent and we don't want to talk about it. And it's not that long ago. My grandfather went to a colored only high school. So you guys really should fuck off. But um, so she's walking through this house and she's really kind of discussing in real details. She's like, this is where the slaves slept. This is where they would take care of the mistresses, children and blah, blah, blah. And I liked, you know, learning this stuff, even though it's sad, you know, it's my history. On this fucking tour, I am the only black person. Everyone else is white.
36:08 Speaker 05 You like nodding solemnly like slavery, huh?
36:10 Laci Mosley? No, that was the weird part. I was like, where are the uncomfortable white people that I've grown to love in Los Angeles?
36:16 Speaker 05 Well, they're not in Savannah.
36:17 Laci Mosley? They're problematic. White people in LA are problematic, but it's like the like, oh, we're gonna touch your hair and ask uncomfortable questions and, and make you aware that you're different as much as possible, but in a woke quote unquote way. But in the South, it's like usually like a little more like, hey, what's up? Hi, or something. These white people on this tour. I have not seen more people just in awe of a slave house. Like she would be like, yes, and this is where the slaves were beaten. And they'd be like, is that marble?
36:47 Laci Mosley? Is that real marble? Is that from the original house? Like they were more interested in the architecture of this house than the actual history of it. It was fucking weird.
36:55 Speaker 05 I used to do comedy gigs in Charleston all the time and I would always ask people shit to do. And people are like, oh, you like, white people always be like, you gotta see the slave market. I was like, I'm sorry. What? And I was like, it's a thing? And I thought maybe it's like, oh, it's this new thing, but this is where the slave market once was. And I was like, oh, okay. So we rode our bikes over and it's like, this was the slave market and it's not, it's like a commemorative slave market. I'm like, yo, how that this like Auschwitz having a fucking ticket taker at the door.
37:27 Laci Mosley? Like black history is the only history where it's like not revered. It's this like sad never again thing. It's like, better days.
37:34 Speaker 05 They're like, hold off till February, sweetheart. It's like, hey.
37:38 Laci Mosley? Remember when white folks were really in power?
37:41 Speaker 05 That's like to me, I it should, we should be humiliated and it's insane. Like it should be a point of reverence. Like maybe it should stay up and kids should go there and have to learn the dark shit of that. Instead, it's just like, isn't this crazy?
37:52 Laci Mosley? Like, look how nice these houses were.
37:55 Speaker 05 This is where nice white people were able to purchase other people. It's like, what the fuck?
37:58 Laci Mosley? All this for one straw penny? Like, what the fuck?
38:03 Speaker 05 An 1812 dime? Holy shit, this is gonna be worth 500 grand someday.
38:07 Laci Mosley? And it should not be. Robbery!
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40:59 Laci Mosley? So Harold took the items and promised to send the coin dealer a check. Prosecutors said when Harold returned later that month to submit the check for nearly $39,000, the check bounced.
41:09 Speaker 05 And this guy's already got several hundred thousand dollars of his friend's money and he can't even, he doesn't have 30 liquid.
41:14 Laci Mosley? So he's like, is he riding from a bad account? Like, I don't know.
41:18 Speaker 05 I like to completely make up all his backstory. So let's say he's being blackmailed by a different couple he's been swinging with.
41:24 Laci Mosley? Yeah. He started having sex with a wife not on Caribbean vacation. They were like, this was not our rules.
41:29 Speaker 05 Yeah, he broke the rules of the open marriage, yeah.
41:32 Laci Mosley? So Harold later stopped communicating with the dealer. Makes sense. Check bounces, he's like, I'm not actually giving you this money. Bye. So the same month, Harold bought six Canadian Maple Leaf one ounce coins with a check for more than $7,300, prosecutors said. He returned later that month and bought 22 other coins. They were like cura grand one ounce gold coins with another check for more than $27,000. Both checks bounced, bounced, bounced. Oh, no, I can't, I can't do that anymore. That's the bad man. I forgot.
42:03 Speaker 05 Oh, right.
42:04 Laci Mosley? Oh, it's a bad man. So prosecutors said that Harold stopped communicating with the dealer. Duh, this is his game.
42:13 Laci Mosley? He write a bad check and he'd be like, change my phone number.
42:17 Speaker 05 I mean, I stopped talking to people for way less shit than defrauding them of $200,000. I lost, I lost friends over like trying to split a bill at a fucking taco stand. So I get it for this kind of money.
42:28 Laci Mosley? Harold ghosted me. I gave, so Harold met most of the dealers through a so-called coin symposium. How fucking nerdy is this?
42:36 Speaker 05 Oh, man, I'd like to go there and just fucking alpha everyone out of their money. Like, I'll give you a fucking wedgie if you don't give me a hay penny or whatever.
42:44 Laci Mosley? Not even just drop me. I want a hay penny, which are chat rooms for coin dealers in the community. This is a community. He was also known to coin dealers and the public through public coin shows and websites. Are people fucking at these coin shows?
42:58 Speaker 05 I tell you who is Adamo, baby.
43:02 Laci Mosley? Is it, wait, let me get a picture of Adamo up. Let's see if he's hot. Um, yeah, is the antique road show just like the furry convention? Is everyone getting it on there?
43:10 Speaker 05 I think any convention where you get a bunch of people who are into the same stuff, they're gonna inevitably end up fuck, you know what I mean? Like, it's a lot of people who are into old garbage. So they're all gonna get together and be like, oh, oh, if you're, if you're like a guy who collects coins and there's a woman who collects coins and you're both single, you already have the icebreaker built in.
43:28 Laci Mosley? Of course.
43:29 Speaker 05 Yeah. I remember famously when I was a kid, my dad, famously, my dad would always tell me that all the little people were fucking like crazy on the Wizard of Oz. He's like, think about it, Johnny. All these little people get together. He didn't use that word, of course, because it was the eighties when he was telling me this. But he's like, all these little people get together, you know, they're gonna be fucked. That's the most amount of little people that's ever been together at one time. They're fucking. I was like, oh, yeah.
43:50 Laci Mosley? I love that he didn't have like a documentary about this. He just assumes that they're fucking. I mean, I know any movie set after a while, there's fucking happening. I've learned. I was like, wow, all this fucking was happening around me. I had no idea. Okay, so getting caught while we look at this photo. Um, Harold and the Marcinis friendship was well established. They had known each other for 25 years. Can you imagine someone you've known for 25 years stealing like $300,000 from you? That's fucking wild.
44:16 Speaker 05 That's fucking upsetting.
44:18 Laci Mosley? And he was fucking your wife.
44:20 Speaker 05 And according to our version, I trusted you.
44:24 Laci Mosley? I trusted you with my wife, my money.
44:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, he's got all the bags.
44:29 Laci Mosley? So eventually, Merini discovered the fraud and demanded that Harold buy back his coins. When Harold refused, Merini sued him for fraud alleging damages of over 11 million dollars.
44:40 Speaker 05 Holy shit.
44:41 Laci Mosley? Expert testimony played a crucial role in helping Merini establish both liability and damages, meaning that Merini got on stand and just sang like a canary. In order to prove fraud, Merini needed to show, among other things, that Harold had misinterpreted the value or misrepresented the value of the coins that he sold to Merini, and charged him an excessive markup. To establish these facts, Merini presented the testimony of two coin experts. The two determined the true market value of the coins and Merini went to auctions, blah, blah, blah. This is how it gets him. Harold challenged the reliability of this valuation methodology under Daubert v. Merrill.
45:15 Speaker 05 Oh, classic. We all learned about that in school.
45:18 Laci Mosley? Yeah, is he a fucking lawyer? The gist of Adamo's argument was that reliance on auction prices was inappropriate, given that subjective factors like taste can affect the value of extremely rare coins.
45:29 Speaker 05 Ooh, that's his back. He's like, look, I thought I liked it, so I thought it was worth more than it really was.
45:34 Laci Mosley? Harold, you are slippery. The court disagreed and found the expert's testimony reliable. Okay, shout out to the court. Wow, can you imagine being a juror on a coin case? How fucking boring.
45:47 Speaker 05 I know, and you're like, oh, that's no problem. It'll be done in no time. And then it's like, please look at the 1812 Morgan Stanley Dollar Coin. Exhibit A, and be like, oh, fuck me, dude. And then I would just be picturing the two couples fucking the whole time.
46:00 Laci Mosley? That's what gets you through.
46:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
46:03 Laci Mosley? So while conceding that there is a subjective component to valuing coins, the court held that it did not render the expert testimony unreliable, given the widely accepted valuation and publications and other methods and shit. Instead, the court held that the issues such as difficulty of pricing coins with such limited supply were more appropriately explored on cross-examination. Aside from contesting liability, Harold sought to limit his damages by arguing that Merini should have discovered the fraud earlier than he did.
46:30 Speaker 05 That's really, that's a great defense.
46:33 Laci Mosley? I scammed you for 25 years.
46:35 Speaker 05 At yeah, at some, you're not even allowed to be mad at me.
46:38 Laci Mosley? No, honestly, I thought you was in on the scam. I thought you wanted to be scammed. I thought that was your kink.
46:42 Speaker 05 That's
46:43 Laci Mosley? My ties, me fucking your wife and me scamming you.
46:47 Speaker 05 Keeping a lie up for 25 years is hard as hell.
46:51 Laci Mosley? You can't slip once.
46:52 Speaker 05 I know. It's been 37 years of telling people I'm straight.
46:58 Laci Mosley? And your neighbors. So it's not like you can even go outside and get the paper.
47:01 Speaker 05 Well, it's like, hey, did you notice Harold put in a saltwater pool in the backyard? Where do you think he's getting that money from? It was two days after I gave him $250,000.
47:10 Laci Mosley? Meanwhile, every time I ask him about how our coins are doing on the market, he's like, bad.
47:13 Speaker 05 Not good, bro. Sorry. Subjective taste.
47:16 Laci Mosley? We losing so much money.
47:17 Speaker 05 We're gonna need another cash infusion.
47:21 Laci Mosley? But Harold, why you got a Rolls Royce in your lawn?
47:24 Speaker 05 It'd be mad funny to invest in coins, but like not special ones. Just like, yeah, I got a thousand dollars in quarters in my house. Unstealable. It's too heavy. Big duffel bag full of money.
47:36 Laci Mosley? Truly, it's beautiful. So I like his argument here. He's like, you should have known, and I think you did, because otherwise you are real dumb. So in response to one of, one of Marini's experts testified that at least one of the main auction websites was not publicly available until after 2008. Well, after Marini had already discovered the fraud. So basically what they were saying was, is like, we didn't even have the option to look at this shit until. You've been scamming this guy.
48:04 Speaker 05 This fraud didn't exist when you started scamming him. You invented this fraud.
48:07 Laci Mosley? You made this fraud up.
48:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, we now have to have rules set in place, thanks to you.
48:10 Laci Mosley? Like now we have a law in your name, Adamo. The Adamo coin law. Like, but you made this scam up. So how are we supposed to know about this scam?
48:18 Speaker 05 Bro, Coco, be careful, buddy.
48:21 Laci Mosley? So the couple eventually sued Adamo and forced him into bankruptcy, winning a $20 million judgment. Okay, you won a $20 million judgment, but Harold don't got 20 mil.
48:31 Speaker 05 Bad news, brother. It's gonna be in coins. No, no, no, this one's worth nineteen million, trust me.
48:36 Laci Mosley? Trust me, it is.
48:37 Speaker 05 It's pretty much the whole thing, you'll be set.
48:39 Laci Mosley? So Harold was fifty-three when he was arrested in September twenty nineteen and charged with grand larceny and scheme to defraud, both felonies, as well as misdemeanor counts of issuing bad checks. He did write a lot of bad checks and then stopped texting people back. His bail was set for a hundred thousand dollars bond or cash. He was suspected in court on Friday. If convicted, he would face up to seven years in prison.
48:56 Speaker 05 Good.
48:57 Laci Mosley? It's, I don't know, that feels too long.
48:59 Speaker 05 I don't think so, at this point. Like, he ruined another dude's entire future.
49:03 Laci Mosley? Did he?
49:04 Speaker 05 Probably, if the guy invested, he's not gonna get that money back.
49:08 Laci Mosley? Ooh, there is something that I have to tell you about this scam. That actually makes Rokoko seem even stupider.
49:15 Speaker 05 Uh-oh.
49:16 Laci Mosley? So some of this money that he was getting was from his kids' college funds.
49:21 Speaker 05 No, Rokoko, who would've thought? The guy who takes, that's, this is upsetting now, now I'm pissed.
49:29 Laci Mosley? I don't know, because I feel like if you my dad and, okay, I know you fucking a neighbor, good. Have fun with that. You in your fifties, get your fuck on, great. But I'm trying to go to school, you telling me when I pull up to university, you ain't got no coins for me? Like, put them hands up, father. We about to fight.
49:45 Speaker 05 Fist fight your dad outside of Pitt, first more.
49:50 Laci Mosley? As soon as I get to admissions and finance related, they talk about I need to take out a loan. Hell no, get the fuck up, Rokoko.
49:55 Speaker 05 I'd be like, the coin your father gave us to send you to college, we, turns out it's only worth eleven hundred dollars?
50:01 Laci Mosley? Dad, you can't pay for college in coin.
50:04 Speaker 05 Yo, that's fucked up, though.
50:05 Laci Mosley? This ain't a barter ship, father.
50:07 Speaker 05 Yeah, Rokoko's wife better not have been like neighbor cockblind. You gotta step up and be like, hey.
50:12 Laci Mosley? I think she was dickmatized.
50:13 Speaker 05 Dickmatized.
50:14 Laci Mosley? Because at no point was she like, babe, like, we probably shouldn't liquidate the kids' college funds.
50:18 Speaker 05 No, no, trust me, a few more coins and we're gonna be set off in the right direction.
50:22 Laci Mosley? But none of these coins are hidden. I was fucking, I mean, I was talking to Harold last night. And he said, none of the coins is hitting.
50:31 Speaker 05 You know, Harold is putting a hot tub in both his bathrooms in his house. Where do you think he's getting that money from?
50:37 Laci Mosley? I tried it out. The Jets are good.
50:39 Speaker 05 And our kid's going to Nassau Community College, so I hope you're happy. No offense to NC squared.
50:45 Laci Mosley? Right. Oh, I love that. I love that shortage. So Harold scammed seven customers out of hundreds of thousands of dollars from April 2017 to March 2019.
50:54 Speaker 05 And the crazy thing is, all of them were named Rococo. There's that many Rococos out on the island.
50:59 Laci Mosley? If your name is Rococo, you are Mark. What are we supposed to say?
51:02 Speaker 05 I should gotta ask my mom if she's ever met someone named Rococo.
51:04 Laci Mosley? Yes.
51:05 Speaker 05 And that's possibly the Rococo.
51:07 Laci Mosley? It has to be. Now I want to know.
51:08 Speaker 05 This is recent too, that this all went down, right? This is awesome.
51:11 Laci Mosley? So the Marinis have had no luck so far in collecting. And obviously I-
51:15 Speaker 05 No.
51:17 Laci Mosley? That's a shocker. That is a plot twist. They haven't gotten any money. I'm also gonna guess that he stopped returning their calls. Now, what's crazy here is obviously all this stuff earlier, like the judgment came down in 2014, he was scamming customers at hundreds of thousands of dollars, April 2017 through March 2019. So he went back to crime.
51:38 Speaker 05 He's got him. He's gotta pay his bail.
51:39 Laci Mosley? You know, they say crime doesn't pay.
51:41 Speaker 05 This guy.
51:42 Laci Mosley? But this guy, he's proven them wrong. So the Marinis used, recently took drastic steps for targeting Hofstra University, Fairfield University, and Brooklyn Law School to try to claw some of their money back, arguing that the total of $246,000 that Harold's kids paid in tuition to the schools came from their father's scheme. So Harold put his kids through college.
52:05 Speaker 05 And to put your kid in Hofstra, living on Long Island, that's a private university that is like, and if they put them in a dorm, that's some money wasting shit right there. Cause it's 20 minutes away from anywhere in Nassau County.
52:16 Laci Mosley? So truly, what I'm trying to understand is, is y'all took the money out of y'all's kids' college fund, so y'all kids had to watch your, the neighbors' kids go to nice colleges on your dime.
52:26 Speaker 05 That's so fucked up and pretty baller.
52:29 Laci Mosley? So they claim that all this tuition was from ill-gotten gains. Okay, and the university's not about to give it back to you? That's not how universities work?
52:37 Speaker 05 Yeah, Brooklyn Law is like, look, we're lawyers and we're, and the cash is in the bank, dude. It's not coming back out.
52:43 Laci Mosley? I don't know what you think this is, bro, but we will not be giving you a dime. Security?
52:47 Speaker 05 I wish I could ask my college for a refund.
52:49 Laci Mosley? We all do. I didn't even pay tuition. I'm like, give me some. No, I'm kidding. I love the University of Pittsburgh. It's so much for me. I'm just. You know, they start calling you immediately too, when you graduate, talking about donate to the Alumni Association. I'm like, bitch, now you know.
53:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, no shit. I've been alumni for 15.
53:03 Laci Mosley? If anybody knows how my coins are set up from fucking with y'all, it's you.
53:08 Speaker 05 Right. I know. It's like, uh, wouldn't you like to donate to the school? I'm like, I did when I fucking went there.
53:13 Laci Mosley? Yeah. What are you talking about? I donated for four years, bro. So the Brooklyn Federal Court judge sided with Harold, ruling that his children had no legal obligation to return the funds to their father. Or to give it to the Marinis. Duh. The, I love that the Marinis are now just trying to go after anyone to get their money back. They're at Target like, listen, we know that Harold came up in here and he bought a water bed and three flat screen TVs with our money.
53:38 Speaker 05 Yeah. And here I am, here are the street value of three flat screen TVs. If you just give me $2,100, I will walk out of here.
53:44 Laci Mosley? Sir, this is a Target.
53:47 Speaker 05 Fine. I'll just take two fleece blankets and call it even. Just like immediately.
53:51 Laci Mosley? Sorry, you have to pay for those.
53:54 Speaker 05 Uh, give me your credit card. Rococo? That's a fake name. No, I swear to God.
53:58 Laci Mosley? He goes to jail. So the kids could have chosen to take a trip or gone on a shopping spree with Harold's money and it wouldn't have been recovered then either. You can't, that's not how money works. So after the ruling, Harold, the former neighbor and godfather to Marinish children.
54:13 Speaker 05 Oh.
54:13 Laci Mosley? Remember?
54:14 Speaker 05 He took, he eliminated college from his own godchildren's future.
54:20 Laci Mosley? Glowed that the bankruptcy trusty overseeing their case lost that motherfucker.
54:28 Laci Mosley? Harold, you're fucking rude. Like you already bilked these people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. You robbed your own godchildren. They got photos of you in their house, but you like kissing on the children.
54:39 Speaker 05 I was gonna say, yeah, it's, it's fucked up because then Harold will go in his backyard and fuck his wife loudly on a pilot of expensive coins in front of, and make Rococo watch.
54:48 Laci Mosley? Which was very painful.
54:49 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. It was not comfortable.
54:50 Laci Mosley? The wife was like, I have many bruises.
54:53 Speaker 05 We can fuck literally anywhere. Does it have to be on change?
54:57 Laci Mosley? So Joseph Marini said that she, excuse me, Josephine Marini, the wife, said that she was demoralized by the ruling.
55:07 Laci Mosley? Was that what you were demoralized by, Josephine? You could tell us.
55:11 Speaker 05 Josephine, if you're just mad your husband is a fucking idiot, I get you. I'm with you.
55:15 Laci Mosley? So she says, "It's my belief that the bankruptcy court has shown little to no desire to hold Harold accountable." Damn, sis.
55:23 Speaker 05 That's upset.
55:24 Laci Mosley? I'm so sorry to hear that. So it looks like Harold is still at large.
55:27 Speaker 05 He, he's not in jail?
55:28 Laci Mosley? No.
55:29 Speaker 05 He's just on Long Island making it happen? Is he still Rococo's neighbor? That's so fucked up if you gotta see him every morning.
55:37 Laci Mosley? I don't think Rococo can afford to move.
55:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, well Rococo's trapped. You know, he's like, "Hey, I got your fucking mail again, man." "And it looks like you and your, the wife are going on a vacation again? I miss our cruises, Harold. I miss our cruises."
55:52 Laci Mosley? I'd give it all up to just go on one more Carnival cruise.
55:55 Speaker 05 God damn it, Harold, you had me dickmatized.
55:59 Laci Mosley? Alright guys, it's come to the end of the road.
56:02 Speaker 05 No.
56:03 Laci Mosley? I have to let you go, John. Uh, but before you go, I just wanna take a moment to praise an honorary charlatan that we call our scammer of the week. So, uh, this is Samantha Stevenson, 27, who's charged with pretending to be a witch, fraud, and possession of property obtained by crime. She allegedly scammed a man out of $600,000.
56:27 Speaker 05 Hell, yeah.
56:28 Laci Mosley? So as a part of her scheme, Stevenson posed as a psychic under the name of Vanna Lopez. That's a good psychic name. Like I wanna see the future.
56:37 Laci Mosley? You wanna see the future?
56:39 Speaker 05 Oh yeah, that's like, that's some fucking Usual Suspects shit. She got that name off the wall behind the person. What's your name? Uh, Freedom USA?
56:48 Laci Mosley? Makes sense. Adds up to me. Over time, one of her victims, a 67-year-old man, lost more... So remember, she's 27, he's 67, good 40 years here. Lost more than $600,000 in an evil spirit blessing scam. She allegedly told her victim that in order to ward off evil spirits in his home, he would have to undergo a series of steps, including selling his house, transferring money to her bank account, and allowing her to burn $6,000 and selling his car. So here's...
57:17 Speaker 05 I don't know much about ghosts, but...
57:19 Laci Mosley? Samantha, Samantha. So if he wanted to get rid of the evil spirits in his home, he had to sell his house? Okay, well then ain't the spirit... He don't live there no more.
57:27 Speaker 05 So he's still not working?
57:31 Speaker 05 I, I, I bet you Samantha's got a fucking good plan. She's probably looking at all her other 20 something friends who are gold digging. Like, I don't even have to fuck this 67 year old man. I got him lighting money on fire. I got him selling houses and shit.
57:42 Laci Mosley? I just told him I was a witch.
57:44 Speaker 05 Una bruja Ivana Lopez.
57:46 Laci Mosley? Oh my god. I don't even think she's Latina. Oh no. Oh no.
57:54 Laci Mosley? She did the old Leslie Khan on us.
57:57 Speaker 05 Gotta get bookable, baby.
57:59 Laci Mosley? It's a deep cut for LA people. Oh god. So the offense of pretending to practice witchcraft under the Criminal Code of Canada specifically deals with individuals who fraudulently portray themselves as having fortune telling abilities or pretending to use witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment, or conjuration in order to obtain money or valuables from a victim.
58:18 Speaker 05 Wait, so, uh, being a witch is the actual crime? I thought it was just something.
58:24 Laci Mosley? What is it Salem? Y'all gonna burn my bitch at the stake? This is ridiculous.
58:28 Speaker 05 Sorry Samantha, we have to throw you in the river.
58:32 Speaker 05 What?
58:32 Laci Mosley? Yes, put these rocks in your pocket.
58:36 Laci Mosley? This is too old timey. Let my bitch go. Every witch is a scammer or a witch. We don't know and no one can prove it.
58:43 Speaker 05 And it's not up to the court of law to determine.
58:45 Laci Mosley? Definitely not.
58:46 Speaker 05 It's up to the dark arts.
58:47 Laci Mosley? What do you have to do in court to prove you're a witch? I'm like, alright, give me some sage, an eye of note.
58:53 Speaker 05 Uh, I'm determining that some criminals have been in this room before. Uh, yeah.
58:58 Laci Mosley? That has some.
59:00 Speaker 05 Okay, you're, can't argue, you're right.
59:02 Laci Mosley? I'm seeing handcuffs.
59:05 Speaker 05 There's a man in a black robe with a tiny hammer.
59:11 Laci Mosley? You can't say she's wrong. So, according to a press release, the police were attempting to identify Stevenson for a year. In November 2017, police began to investigate the case as an instance of elder abuse. Also, like, 67 is older, but like, I don't know if I want to be called elder abuse.
59:28 Speaker 05 Oh yeah, well, I got bad news for you. Uh, when you're 35, uh, if you're trying to get pregnant after 35, it's called a geriatric pregnancy.
59:36 Laci Mosley? What?
59:36 Speaker 05 Yeah, that'll break your fucking heart.
59:38 Laci Mosley? Oh my god.
59:38 Speaker 05 Get it in by 34.
59:42 Laci Mosley? This is like, get in here with them old eggs.
59:44 Speaker 05 Yeah, like, hey, don't say that to my face. Woo, alright, hope that cage free. Let's figure out what's going on.
59:50 Laci Mosley? These ain't free range no more.
59:53 Laci Mosley? So it's not illegal to practice witchcraft in Canada, which it sounds like it is according to this penal code, either as a part of a religion like Wicca or as an occult practice. So either you can like worship.
1:00:05 Speaker 05 You have to use your witch powers for good.
1:00:07 Laci Mosley? Yeah, you gotta either be fucking with Satan or you gotta be wicked. However, according to section six, three, five, or three, six, five, excuse me, of Canada's Criminal Code, it is illegally to, illegal to fraudulently pretend to exercise any kind of witchcraft for money. So the law has generally been interpreted as like a provision against the occult, like doing fraud to people. The conviction can lead to a $2,000 fine and up to six months in jail.
1:00:31 Speaker 05 Like what about psychics and shit? Is that illegal in Canada?
1:00:33 Laci Mosley? That's what I'm saying, like what if, like, call me now.
1:00:35 Speaker 05 Madam Cleo? Dude, if I used to say, call me now every time, like every day as a kid, because that commercial was on all night long, all night long it was playing.
1:00:45 Laci Mosley? Like that, it was a syndication. I'm like, how much did Cleo just make off the commercial itself? Because I saw that shit so many times.
1:00:51 Speaker 05 Oh, hell, yeah. I mean, the, the commercial itself is just the entry level to the Cleo scam. She must have been printing, and I hope she was printing money, but more likely she was the figurehead of some company that was running the scam. That's the thing that breaks my heart.
1:01:06 Laci Mosley? She was like the Popeye Chicken lady who's like, I love Louisiana Popeye's chicken. Me, a Negro, I make all the chicken with my black hands. No white people are involved in this corporation. You're gonna love that chicken from Popeye's. Meanwhile, that's a white people's company. And they got that black lady out here in her wigs. You know she wears wigs because she doesn't want to be recognized in real life.
1:01:29 Speaker 05 Oh, that's smart.
1:01:31 Laci Mosley? So basically Samantha had this law applied to her. But what I will say about Samantha is I do appreciate that she went about this in just like a more ingenuative way, like.
1:01:43 Speaker 05 Fuck it. Yeah, she could scam an old man out of money the old fashioned way, like just dangling pussy in front of him. So I appreciate her going the other way and dangling the devil's pussy.
1:01:52 Laci Mosley? Also, I want to know if the spirits went away because the old man didn't say nothing about if the spirits went away. And if they did, honestly, she did her job.
1:02:00 Speaker 05 I hope Samantha with, though, was setting up fucking like little radios, little MP3 players playing spooky sounds all night and shit. And she's like, another house? You have to be kidding me. Well, let's burn another few thousand dollars and save this house.
1:02:13 Laci Mosley? Right.
1:02:14 Speaker 05 Like she's applying, she's at night haunting him and stuff and he's getting all scared.
1:02:18 Laci Mosley? She's rattling tree branches against his window.
1:02:21 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's hiring like local kids from the haunted house to keep this guy scared.
1:02:24 Laci Mosley? This is a full time job.
1:02:26 Speaker 05 She, well, it's worth it. For 600 grand a year. It's not a bad gig.
1:02:30 Laci Mosley? Samantha, we never see you at brunch. You work such weird hours.
1:02:35 Speaker 05 Samantha, what do you mean you work on weekends? We have Pilates followed by brunch.
1:02:39 Laci Mosley? Samantha, what do you mean you need my bush again?
1:02:43 Laci Mosley? So Samantha was brought to court on these charges, but no convictions have been handed down yet. So Samantha, shout out to a queen.
1:02:51 Speaker 05 Samantha, you got this, girl.
1:02:53 Laci Mosley? I want you to get out of jail and I want you to continue to rid peoples of their homes.
1:02:58 Speaker 05 Dude, scam me Samantha.
1:03:02 Laci Mosley? I just want to see the presentation. I want to see you burn $6,000 because that does feel like witchcraft.
1:03:07 Speaker 05 Oh, that, I mean, you want to see me burn $6,000? Take me to a dispensary in Vegas.
1:03:13 Laci Mosley? That's how, that's how you should burn $6,000. Well, Gabris, this has been amazing.
1:03:18 Speaker 05 No, Lacey, this has been amazing for me.
1:03:23 Laci Mosley? I'll take myself out of it.
1:03:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, please.
1:03:25 Laci Mosley? Where do you want to be found? That's what I ask people. Don't ask people, where can people find you? I want to know where you want people to find you.
1:03:31 Speaker 05 I want you to find me on Stitcher Premium, which is my go to destination for podcasts. And there you could check out the Gino Lombardo Show, which is currently running. Use promo code GINO if you want a month free. Or I'm assuming if you're in the Earwolf family, you might even have the Stitcher Premium going. So just pop over to Gino Lombardo Show and give it a listen.
1:03:50 Laci Mosley? Pop on over, guys. It's very funny. All right, guys. It is. Gabris is very funny. I know that sounds patronizing, but he's like so fucking funny.
1:03:58 Speaker 05 No shit, I'm very funny.
1:03:59 Laci Mosley? I mean, by the end of this, you know that, right? Like, I don't have to tell you that. Anyway, I'll try to give him a compliment. See how he be acting? Guys, you know where you can find us. If you want to send us a scam that you've retired, of course, don't fuck that back up. You can send that to us at [email protected] . If you want to find our show, scamgoddispod on Instagram, on Twitter. If you want to find me, honey, D I V A L A C I on all platforms. And Kalina Vamo. All right, congregation, keep scamming.
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