Bounding After People Like a Labrador w/ Anna Bezahler & Isabella Escalante

Laci welcomes comedians Anna Bezahler and Isabella Escalante (The Z-Suite, Comedy Bang Bang) to discuss 73-year-old Mary Carole McDonnell, our so-called “Aircraft Heiress” scammer who, in fact, was not related to the McDonnell Aircraft family at all. Anna shares stories from her door-to-door scamming days, and Isabella scams her way back into college to prove to an improv team that she was always talented and funny enough to make the cut. Plus, a Scammer of the Week from South Carolina who stole credit cards to pull off ski pass scams for years. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Scam Goddess LIVE in a city near you. Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Anna Bezahler: @annabezahler Isabella Escalante: @isabellaesc Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://ktla.com/news/local-news/woman-73-posed-as-wealthy-heiress-in-california-stole-30m-fbi-says/ https://nypost.com/2025/12/10/us-news/https-nypost-com-2025-12-09-us-news-fake-airline-heiress-72-scammed-nearly-30-million-from-banks/ https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/mary-carole-mcdonnell-fake-heiress-fbi-bank-fraud/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-posed-heiress-defrauded-nearly-30m-banks-institutions-fbi-says-rcna248178 https://ktla.com/news/local-news/true-crime-producer-in-california-left-trail-of-victims-investigators-say/ https://kutv.com/news/local/south-carolina-woman-admits-to-multimillion-dollar-utah-ski-pass-scam-alta-brighton-snowbasin-parkcity-deervalley https://deadline.com/2017/11/bellum-entertainment-sued-breach-of-contract-true-crime-producer-1202212926/#:~:text=Bellum%20recently%20has%20been%20under,of%20%E2%80%9Csignificant%20bank%20fraud.%E2%80%9D https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2025/12/10/woman-pleads-guilty-multimillion/ https://www.powder.com/news/woman-guilty-ski-pass-fraud-south-carolina

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• 3:02Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, back with another installment of the podcast all about scams, robbery, and fraud, and those who practice it. I am Scam Goddess. Just reminding y'all, this is a comedy podcast. And y'all, the Scam Goddess Live Nation Tour, it is up and selling out right now in March. Okay, so I'm going to Chicago. I'm going to Irving, Texas, which is basically Dallas, Texas. And that's where I'm from. If y'all don't show y'all asses to Dallas, I'mma fight y'all. I'mma fight everybody in the tri-state area. Don't play with me. New York, San Francisco. Yep, got them all. This is a little mini tour, because I gotta go back to work. If you want to get that promo code, it's goddess for all the fans. So my guests today are two of the funniest people making waves in the improv scene here in LA.

• 3:47Laci Mosley?

  I've actually heard good things about you. First up, we have a gal you know from the Z-Suite, a Tubi original, and the podcast Comedy Bang Bang. Our other equally brilliant guest is a regular on Comedy Bang Bang, wrote episode 307 of Wu-Tang Clan: An American Saga, and performs at UCB in my favorite cult. That's my favorite cult, is UCB. Together, they host their podcast, Anna and Isabella Do Improv. Congregation, please rise, wherever you are, including your cars, okay? And help me welcome Anna Betzaller and Isabella Escalante.

• 4:24Speaker 06

  Thanks for having us.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for being here. Oh my goodness, what a ride that was.

• 4:29Speaker 06

  I know.

• 4:29Laci Mosley?

  I am from the cult of UCB as well.

• 4:32Speaker 06

  I know, but that was the first thing that popped into my head when you asked us to do this. We were, I was like, the amount of money we've spent on improv classes is definitely like a scam.

• 4:41Speaker 07

  That's the biggest scam of all.

• 4:42Speaker 06

  If I see, if I see a person who I like on stage, um, the next thing I'm doing, I'm going home that night and signing up for whatever school they came from. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter how many times I've been on stage. If I got asked to do ASCAT like a hundred times, I would go and sign up for whatever class this person.

• 4:59Laci Mosley?

  Whatever class they teach or like whatever, like, whoa, you went to Rutgers? Let me go there real quick.

• 5:04Speaker 06

  That's what I would do. I would go, I would go. If they took one class somewhere, I'm like, I'm doing that.

• 5:10Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I've taken so many random ones. I think UCB is by far my favorite, but I remember being in New York, going to the pit. I don't know if you've ever heard of the pit.

• 5:16Speaker 06

  Oh, I've been there.

• 5:17Laci Mosley?

  I think it's defunct. Is it there?

• 5:19Speaker 06

  No, it's, it, it has the vibe of being defunct a little bit.

• 5:23Laci Mosley?

  It's got foreclosure vibes.

• 5:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:25Laci Mosley?

  You know, just all the time. You're just waiting for that sign to be out the door every time you come. Where they're like, the chains are on and they're like, it's over, babes.

• 5:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, that's kind of the vibe in there, but it's still, it's still, it's still going.

• 5:34Laci Mosley?

  It's still going. Good for them.

• 5:36Speaker 07

  Have you ever taught a class?

• 5:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I have.

• 5:39Speaker 07

  I feel like I'm scamming when I teach, cause I'm like, this is all subjective, you know?

• 5:44Laci Mosley?

  I mean, comedy is so subjective, but I do have to be like, you're doing it wrong.

• 5:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 5:49Laci Mosley?

  But you can't say you're doing it wrong. You have to be encouraging and be like, okay, well this, what did you mean by that?

• 5:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, hit them with the what did you mean by that? What did you find funny about this?

• 5:58Laci Mosley?

  Well, yeah, what did you, what did you find funny about this? What did you like about this? Okay? About humping old men? What about humping old men? Especially when the whole other group is women. What about humping old men?

• 6:10Speaker 06

  And then you see them go deep into like a land of shame and then the next scene they do it again.

• 6:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Speaker 06

  The next scene they're...

• 6:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh gosh, that was my, my least favorite thing about coaching improv because yes, it does feel very scammy, Anna, but I felt scammy being in people's living rooms, like teaching them improv, but the worst part was when I would have a team and I had a lot of these, that's why I quit doing it, this was years ago, where like the team would be really bad, like maybe there was one good one on there, but I had to keep showing up every week, like giving them hope and I was like, there's only one good person on this team, the rest of you all should quit, that's the best thing I could tell you, but I can't say that, I gotta keep doing exactly what you said, Isabella, like what did you mean by that?

• 6:53Speaker 07

  Well, sometimes they're having so much fun and they are laughing and loving it and I'm like, I, I think this is for you guys and I don't like it, but I can't just show up and keep saying that.

• 7:04Laci Mosley?

  But you know what it is, is you see, it indoctrinates us with like, oh, once you do this for long enough, you're gonna have a professional career, you're gonna be this, that and the third and it, it does work for a lot of people, but there's like, for that few people who make it and work professionally, there's so many others who don't, but I forget that like sometimes people just like to have a hobby.

• 7:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, totally.

• 7:23Laci Mosley?

  Like they're not in it to like get on SNL, they're like there because like they're a grandma and they're retired.

• 7:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, those are the best improvisers.

• 7:30Speaker 06

  I love the grandmas.

• 7:32Laci Mosley?

  I love grandmas, I love grandma extras too, I love when I'm like on a set and there's like grandma, grandpa background, I'm like, hey, where, where y'all from, they're like, we're retired, we're from Austin, we just like to come out here and see the movie stars, sit on porch, yeah. And I also now love watching TV shows and looking just in the background to see which background actors are doing the absolute most. I love it. But wait, I have to ask you both and either of you can go first, what is your relationship with scams, do you love them, do you hate them, have you ever been scammed, like it could be anything.

• 8:04Speaker 07

  I, I have been scammed and maybe been a part of a scam, I think, I think I'm pretty scamable.

• 8:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, you get scammed pretty regularly.

• 8:12Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you do have like a really kind face.

• 8:14Speaker 07

  Do I?

• 8:15Speaker 06

  You do.

• 8:15Laci Mosley?

  I just ran into you in the bathroom before we started this and I was just like, oh, hey, what's up? I didn't even know it was you and I was like, oh, there she, she's back, I was like, oh, that's you, okay.

• 8:24Speaker 07

  Imagine I wasn't supposed to be here. I was just like.

• 8:27Speaker 06

  That kind face got you everywhere.

• 8:28Speaker 07

  Yes. I have big eyes, so I think that makes people feel invited in to my face.

• 8:34Laci Mosley?

  But what was the time you maybe got scammed?

• 8:35Speaker 07

  I got scammed when I first moved out to California. Me and my friend moved to, like, we wanted to live in Berkeley, California.

• 8:42Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 8:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was working in like, marketing and we fully spent like $2,000 on an apartment that didn't exist.

• 8:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 8:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, and we sent them the money through PayPal.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're not getting that back.

• 8:56Speaker 07

  I've been friends and family.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  I was just cussing, I was cussing out PayPal yesterday, like, I'm not even playing. They, they'll suggest names to you and like, your contacts.

• 9:06Speaker 07

  Shut up.

• 9:06Laci Mosley?

  And I hit a contact that is one letter off from my cousin's last, like, we have the same last name. And I sent this large amount of money and then I immediately tried to cancel it. PayPal won't give it back. They would not like, contact me. They won't call you on the phone.

• 9:19Speaker 07

  They don't care.

• 9:20Speaker 06

  I've done that once too. And it was like my boss's old contact and I accidentally sent him a thousand dollars.

• 9:26Speaker 07

  No.

• 9:26Laci Mosley?

  And I. And those people are like, a blessing from God, especially in this economy. I ain't getting that shit back. I sent it right before Christmas.

• 9:33Speaker 06

  Your best hope is someone accidentally does the same thing to you at that point.

• 9:37Laci Mosley?

  No one's ever gonna do that to me. And it was an embarrassing amount of money.

• 9:40Speaker 07

  I love that. You're like sending your cousin a ton of money. That's awesome.

• 9:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we had, we had things to do.

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  But wait, so you, continue.

• 9:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, we, we, we like, we had, literally, it was every red flag was obvious. Like, we hadn't talked to anybody on the phone. We hadn't seen the place. We were on the East Coast, just like, oh, we're gonna move to California. This is gonna be great. Spent all the money, tried to get all the money back. Every person we explained it to was like, there's like 1,000 red flags. Like, there's no way that you guys fell for this. And we did.

• 10:15Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I will say though, like, moving to another state, where were you moving from?

• 10:19Speaker 07

  Philadelphia.

• 10:20Laci Mosley?

  Philly, okay, okay, I can hear a little bit in your voice, a little cheesesteak popping out in that accent, okay?

• 10:27Laci Mosley?

  I moved from Texas here.

• 10:28Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:29Laci Mosley?

  And I had a similar situation where like, I wanted to move to a place, obviously it's a foreign city, you don't want to get there and be ass out. I didn't, it didn't occur to me like, oh, maybe get a hotel and then like, go see some places. So I tried to be safe and do a sublet. And so I did like a sublet, I had the girl send me proof of residency address. She sent me photos, videos of everything, I was gonna get my own bedroom, we had been corresponding. I, I didn't send her, no, I think I maybe sent her half upfront. I got down, touchdown, she tells me, oh yeah, your room is the living room.

• 11:04Laci Mosley?

  And also, there's already someone still staying in it. So I had to crash with a college friend until I found my own place, so that's not, that's not too bad on that.

• 11:12Speaker 07

  It's not too bad, it's not too bad. I was also, like, in college, I did this thing called here'smycoupon.com.

• 11:20Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 11:21Speaker 06

  Sounds super trustworthy.

• 11:22Speaker 07

  Super trustworthy. There's definitely still a YouTube video of me on the internet that was like, it's like one of the few easy to find videos of me, where I'm like plugging this thing that was completely a scam. And I fully was like, trying to help them scam, I think, but was so bad at it, I like got away without like fucking up my morals.

• 11:46Laci Mosley?

  No, you were just there to perform, okay, they said, give them the coupon, tell them about the coupon.

• 11:51Speaker 06

  They're like, give us that trustworthy face, those big eyes, that trustworthy face.

• 11:55Speaker 07

  Well, you had to, you basically had to go restaurant to restaurant and be like, hey, do you guys want to sign up for this coupon website? And what you do is you just put your coupon on the website and then we take, um, like 30% of whatever you like make.

• 12:08Laci Mosley?

  30%? That seems very.

• 12:11Speaker 07

  And it was like, uh... In, it was like right when Groupon was big. There was already someone doing this. And I was the person that had to go restaurant to restaurant. But I get really anxious talking to like.

• 12:23Laci Mosley?

  You were on foot?

• 12:24Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I thought you was online doing like commercials of it.

• 12:29Speaker 07

  No, no, I was going like around my college campus, going into all these restaurants and being like, hey, is a manager around? And they'd be like, yeah, one second. And honestly, I left a bunch of times because I would just get so nervous. I would be like, never, never mind. Because it was so hard to pitch this thing that was just like, what do you mean, put a coupon on a website that no one is going to?

• 12:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but you don't have to tell them no one's going there. They don't know no one's going there.

• 12:58Speaker 07

  I can't lie.

• 12:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she's honest to a fault about stuff like that.

• 13:01Speaker 07

  I, I have a, a light confessional OCD where I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna have to get ahead of this. My girlfriend's like, stop talking. I'm proud of my scam. I'm glad I was hustling enough to try and scam in college. That's my take on it.

• 13:20Laci Mosley?

  All right, so what about you?

• 13:22Speaker 06

  Um, yeah, so I feel like, well, I get, I get scammed by like every AI video that like pops up on my feed.

• 13:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, we were just talking about that.

• 13:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, but recently I sort of, I don't know if this qualifies as a full blown scam, but I was kind of scamming. So this is not a flattering story. I'll start off by saying that.

• 13:40Speaker 07

  I will say that this is 100%. She was like, can I say this? Is it scamming? Yes, it's scamming.

• 13:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Do you want us to alter your voice? We can put down like a dark screen.

• 13:49Speaker 07

  Please.

• 13:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, just don't share any photos of me after this. But basically, okay, so I do like comedy like every night. It drives my friends and families crazy. And like, I, I think back to like college when I like super wanted to get on this improv team that was like the cool improv team. I was on this like super nerdy improv team full of dweebs. And I wanted to be on the artistic team full of good people. And I auditioned every single year and I couldn't get on. I went to UC Santa Cruz. It was, I, I think it's the best comedy I've ever seen. I'll maintain that.

• 14:22Laci Mosley?

  UC Santa Cruz.

• 14:23Speaker 06

  UC Santa Cruz.

• 14:24Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 14:25Speaker 06

  The Someone Always Dies improv team. Incredible. And so I was always, so now I do comedy every day and I'm like, is this all to impress these like 19 year olds that I never got the approval from? But now I do comedy Bang Bang, I'm like on Harold night. And so I, and I was like in between like, uh, jobs and I was like, I was like on Instagram and I was like, oh, they're holding auditions. And I'm like, could I get on now, like 10 years later, knowing what I now know? I was out of town. I would have stopped this.

• 14:54Laci Mosley?

  Wait, for Harold auditions?

• 14:56Speaker 06

  No. My college improv team.

• 14:58Laci Mosley?

  You were trying to go back to?

• 14:59Speaker 06

  I wasn't trying, I did.

• 15:02Speaker 06

  She went. I, I called, I called my cousin, I called my cousin who still goes there.

• 15:06Laci Mosley?

  Never been kissed?

• 15:09Speaker 06

  I know, I know, it's real incel territory. I called my cousin who goes there, he's, he's like 21, I'm like, dude, I need to borrow your email address. He's like, why? I was like, I need to prove something and then sign up for these improv auditions. And so I sign up, I like try to put on like a college student outfit, I drive eight hours to UC Santa Cruz.

• 15:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh my gosh.

• 15:29Speaker 06

  The whole time, I'm like, this is so embarrassing, why am I doing this? This is, I need a job, like I officially need a job, but I'm like, so I'm there and I tricked them all into thinking I'm, uh, I, I said I was a transfer student because I thought I could maybe pass as a 20 year old.

• 15:43Laci Mosley?

  You still look like a 20 year old.

• 15:44Speaker 06

  I really appreciate that.

• 15:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, well, you could do pass right now, you could go back right now, Isabella.

• 15:49Speaker 06

  And I'm telling you, I did. This did not happen that long ago. She was like fully like. This is, this is a few months ago. Yeah, she was almost thirty, yeah.

• 15:58Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god. This is very close to that lady who uh, saw a negative TikTok comment and drove three hours away to confront the man and, and make him read an apology.

• 16:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, it's not a flattering story about myself.

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  I think it's kind of fucking amazing, you committed to the bit.

• 16:13Speaker 06

  I, I, so then I'm there and they like, they're like, okay, we're gonna call you guys, they're, they're as funny as I remember, it's a fully new, different people, but I'm like, the tone is still as funny as I remember. And they're, they're like, we'll call you guys in a little bit. I get a call and they try to put me on the same dweeby team I was on when I was in college. I was like, I can't get away from it. When you were telling me that you were gonna do this, I was like.

• 16:36Speaker 07

  First of all, don't, because this could be like illegal. I don't even know.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  Nah.

• 16:42Speaker 07

  But I also was like, in my mind, I was like, there's no way you won't make the good team a second time.

• 16:49Speaker 06

  And guess what? I didn't.

• 16:51Speaker 07

  No. The lesson was what?

• 16:55Speaker 06

  The lesson was, I'm a short-form dweeby girl.

• 16:58Laci Mosley?

  No, they're hating on you. They were hating on you. I'll stand by that. They were hating on you. This is the commitment, this is the commitment to a scam I love.

• 17:06Speaker 06

  I also, at one point, they said I needed to do a callback, so I went back to LA and then drove back up there.

• 17:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh my.

• 17:12Speaker 06

  I spent like, I spent days of my life on this.

• 17:14Laci Mosley?

  So you did like 32 hours if we're talking about round trip each time?

• 17:19Speaker 06

  And it was so much, it felt so much scammy or the second time, because I was like, now I'm like, I'm like, okay, I'm, there's all these Santa Cruz specifics I had to remember and like, yeah, I was just fully fooling them. And it was, it was right for them to not put me on.

• 17:32Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, you're like, remember that time at Arowan? They were like, bitch, what?

• 17:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, they were like, Arowan, it's New Leaf.

• 17:39Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I don't know. I think that's kind of like bad behavior. It was like, I will drive 32 hours to shit on you bitches. You will know I'm better than you, okay?

• 17:47Speaker 06

  They didn't.

• 17:48Laci Mosley?

  I think they were hating. I think they were hating.

• 17:50Speaker 07

  They were, I feel like you got kind of a funny like, didn't they tell you you were like, close this time?

• 17:55Speaker 06

  They told me I was really, they said that I just needed to get my performance legs and do some short form for a while.

• 18:00Speaker 07

  Meanwhile, she's performing every night.

• 18:02Laci Mosley?

  Ponzi schemers. They're like, you're so close. Just keep coming back, giving us that 1095 inch night.

• 18:07Speaker 06

  I was close to enrolling. I was like, maybe I'll just do a quarter here.

• 18:14Laci Mosley?

  Back, enrolling back in school to shit on people in improv is just chef's kiss. Honestly, though, I will say, when I was going to school at the University of Pittsburgh, they had like an improv clique, but they didn't really like fucking know what they were doing. We were more like a theater repertory school, so I did a lot of theater there and business. And, but I saw improv and I was like, oh, you used to do that for so long. Like, I want to get involved. They were so fucking clicky to me.

• 18:36Speaker 06

  They're clicky, they're clicky.

• 18:37Laci Mosley?

  They're so fucking clicky. And they were like dweeby and clicky.

• 18:41Speaker 06

  I know, that's the thing.

• 18:42Laci Mosley?

  And not fucking funny. And they were like, you have to take all this training to get on the stage with us. And I was like, bitch, the fuck? I perform at the Comedy Store, hoe. Like, catch my TV shows, I got multiple.

• 18:55Laci Mosley?

  That's how I did it. That was my 32 hour drive.

• 18:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's good.

• 18:58Laci Mosley?

  I'm on Instagram like, watch out, me. Little old me that couldn't join your fucking dusty ass, black box, fucking crusty ass improv team. Where you bitches now? Where?

• 19:08Speaker 07

  It's good that it sounds like you're super over it.

• 19:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, you sound way more grounded than me about it.

• 19:15Laci Mosley?

  I will hold on to that shit till I die.

• 19:17Speaker 06

  That's the thing, it's at a formative time.

• 19:18Laci Mosley?

  I live in this field, my success.

• 19:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 19:28Laci Mosley?

  I had an ex-boyfriend years ago. I went to visit him and his family in San Francisco. And we stayed at his house. And he like surprised me with these New Year's tickets to Arabidou. It was like super cute. But his mom, who like, I can't say too many specifics because then some people will know. But his mom was basically black and he, and his dad was white. And his mom like hated on me because I was black, which is so weird because I'm like, your son is half black. You're the black one. And so she didn't want me to be with him. So she didn't, like, I went to go get them a favorite maraschopon cake to say thank you for like letting us stay. And like, it was such a cute time.

• 19:57Speaker 07

  An amazing move. Such good like in-law behavior.

• 20:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 20:01Laci Mosley?

  I come back, why she invited his ex-girlfriend over to the house?

• 20:04Speaker 07

  What?

• 20:05Laci Mosley?

  Trying to fuck with me. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna get me some billboards. I'm gonna get me some magazines. I swear to God, one day, bitch, you ain't never gonna be able to close your eyes without seeing my face, hoe.

• 20:20Speaker 07

  What was, how did she like pitch that it made sense for the ex-girlfriend to be there? Like, did you just come home and she was just chilling?

• 20:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes. I think she was trying to say, oh, she'd pop by to visit. No, she invited that hoe over. She knew exactly what the fuck she was doing.

• 20:34Speaker 07

  Insane.

• 20:34Laci Mosley?

  And I was like 21 at the time. Like, this is not like I'm like 16 or something. Like, bitch, the fuck is you doing? I'll beat everybody ass in this house. Like, so don't worry.

• 20:42Speaker 06

  I've been on like weirdly like, my high school boyfriend, I like, I was so in love with him, but he didn't like me and his mom was obsessed with me. And when I moved to LA.

• 20:52Laci Mosley?

  The concept of your own boyfriend not liking you and not, not even bumping me because it's a thing?

• 20:56Speaker 06

  I know. You're like, makes sense. More common than not.

• 21:02Speaker 06

  But his mom would always invite me over and it didn't work out, but I like was just in love with him for so long. And when I moved to LA, like my dad had just passed away and my mom was like, oh, it's okay. It actually turns into a hilarious story.

• 21:17Laci Mosley?

  Where's it?

• 21:20Speaker 06

  But so she like, I see her at the funeral and I'm like, oh, I'm trying to like get my start in LA. And she's like, come live with us. And I was like, oh, but my, she loved me. But I'm like, oh, but the high school boyfriend, she's like, don't worry, he's living with his like, uh, he's living with his girlfriend in Phoenix. Like you're totally fine. So I move in, I'm in his old room. A week later, he, they like, my ex-boyfriend and his girlfriend break up. He moves back in. Yes. And I lived there for an entire year and he's so upset. But everyone, they kind of feel too bad about my dead dad to kick me out. So I'm like, I'm like capitalizing on it. I'm like, maybe we'll get back together. Who knows? We didn't.

• 22:00Laci Mosley?

  That is such a sitcom right there. Like, please write it. Like, we have to bleep some stuff out because that's so fucking funny. Coming home to your parents' house, your ex-girlfriend's like fully decorated your own bedroom. It's like, oh, what's up, Chad? I live here now.

• 22:14Speaker 06

  He's like, can she leave? And everyone's like, she's grieving.

• 22:17Laci Mosley?

  That's how you know those are the parents that like, they got their kid and they're like, our kid's kind of a dud. And then they saw another kid and was like, we like this kid better. Let's bring this kid into our lives and pretend that's our kid.

• 22:28Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 22:29Speaker 07

  Hundred percent.

• 22:30Laci Mosley?

  I also like if it was your scam of they were like, okay, Isabella, so you know, it's been six months. Like, do you have a plan? And you're like, my dead dad!

• 22:40Laci Mosley?

  Every time they're like, Isabella, can you pay rent? You're like, I'm paying rent to my dead dad in the sky!

• 22:46Speaker 06

  Exactly. You gotta milk that shit.

• 22:49Laci Mosley?

  I love that. That's beautiful. Wow. You guys got me cracking up.

• 22:52Speaker 06

  I'm coming across really level and grounded.

• 22:55Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I, I, I saw your unhinged and I gave you more unhinged. I was like, let me go unhinged.

• 23:01Speaker 06

  I know, something about you is bringing it all out.

• 23:04Laci Mosley?

  It is. These are my secrets. No, they're not. People know what they're getting here. Well, let's get into my favorite segment of the show. It's called Historic Hood Winks. This is where I will regale Anna and Isabella with a famous con caper group of criminals. We don't know. Maybe we love them. Maybe we hate them. We're just gonna go along this ride and get your opinions throughout.

• 23:21Speaker 07

  Perfect, yeah.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so today, the FBI are looking for a 73-year-old Mary Carol McDonald, a TV producer who posed as an aircraft heiress, who stole $30 million and is now on the run. I would guess she's not on the physical run, maybe more of a walker hobble.

• 23:43Laci Mosley?

  It's not giving run, it's giving maybe mall power walk, but she is.

• 23:46Speaker 07

  That's fucked up. They put the weight in the FBI, like, description of people.

• 23:52Laci Mosley?

  I've never looked at somebody and been like, they are 183 pounds. Let me call the feds, it's our girl.

• 23:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. What the hell?

• 24:00Laci Mosley?

  What the fuck? They really do need to stop doing that, because what does that mean? A photo is all I need.

• 24:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, I know. It feels like when you're like auditioning for something and you have to like put all your information. And I'm like, why do you care how big my boobs are?

• 24:12Laci Mosley?

  Well, sometimes the boobs matter. They might have a joke about... Honey, they're like, that lady with the boobs. So you gotta be there, Anna, with the boobs.

• 24:18Speaker 07

  Not the roles I go out for.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  And I just saw you look at my tits.

• 24:24Speaker 06

  We all did. We all did. And I know, I've seen them a lot. I was like, could you?

• 24:30Laci Mosley?

  We looked respectfully. We looked respectfully.

• 24:32Speaker 07

  Well, thank you, guys.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, oh, the keyboard.

• 24:38Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm just saying, I can't go out for a lady with the boobs, you know, like, so, you know, sometimes you gotta know.

• 24:42Speaker 07

  True.

• 24:43Laci Mosley?

  But yes, so this is Mary Carol McDonald, and already I kind of love her. You can tell that in her DMV photo here, she put her makeup on before she went. It's giving she like took the picture and then she looked over, over on the screen and was like, let's do another one.

• 24:58Speaker 06

  I mean, yeah, she's smiling from ear to ear. Love this for her, as she should be with her $30 million.

• 25:04Laci Mosley?

  So, oh, Mary. Mary, Mary, Mary. Before she landed on the FBI's Most Wanted list, Mary was the CEO of Bellum Entertainment LLC, a Burbank-based production company with shows that included corrupt crimes, bizarre murders, people behaving badly. I've heard of that one. I married a murderer. Ooh, definitely heard of that one. And all of these came out from like 2004 to 2017. Hell, I was probably, this is probably one of my first roles is I was like dead lady in the back. You know, I used to do this ID, ID like reenactment things where it would be like, and Sean didn't realize his wife was a killer.

• 25:42Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:43Laci Mosley?

  And then they'd have like confessionals who are talking straight to camera, but when they're reenacting things, they have the reenactors who are just like walking somewhere or looking distraught or getting shot. Yeah. It's like, this is what it's giving. I love that for Mary.

• 25:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, it's, I love a producer turning to crime too. It's like, yeah, she's working on all these crime shows and she's like, I'll give it a shot.

• 26:03Laci Mosley?

  Why not?

• 26:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:05Laci Mosley?

  She, she produced crime already. She might as well produce it in real life. So let's watch a clip from an episode of Corrupt Crimes titled Financial Fraudster. That's probably her inspiration.

• 26:18Speaker 08

  Martin Frankel, he's a self-taught stockbroker, securing and managing millions of dollars in investments, but finds it hard to pull the trigger on trades.

• 26:28Speaker 09

  Traders block. It prevents him from even making a single actual investment.

• 26:34Speaker 08

  So he devises a phantom insurance and philanthropic empire, embezzling millions in cash. When suspicions are raised, he runs off, becoming an international fugitive.

• 26:47Laci Mosley?

  Traders block is giving me affluenza. Like, you just made that up.

• 26:52Speaker 07

  They said that like it was the most normal thing in the world. He had traders block, which is really, which sucks because he wanted to be a trader. What are you talking about?

• 27:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, it just sounds like you may be bad at being a trader.

• 27:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, do a different job.

• 27:03Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm blocked. I'm gonna have a breakthrough. I'm gonna have a trader breakthrough. It's like writer's block. They heard writer's block and we're like, mm, let's apply that too.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, it doesn't work if it's not a creative field. It's just like you're analyzing the numbers wrong.

• 27:16Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 27:16Speaker 07

  Have you?

• 27:17Laci Mosley?

  Go ahead.

• 27:17Speaker 07

  No, you go ahead.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  No, go ahead.

• 27:18Speaker 07

  No, no, it's your podcast.

• 27:19Laci Mosley?

  No, I talk so much. I talk so much.

• 27:21Speaker 07

  I was gonna say something kind of unrelated, which is, are you guys watching Industry?

• 27:24Laci Mosley?

  Of course, I fucking love Industry.

• 27:25Speaker 07

  I love Industry and Traders Block would not be understood in that community.

• 27:30Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 27:31Speaker 07

  Like, it's cutthroat.

• 27:32Laci Mosley?

  Not only would you be fired, they'd probably get coked up and beat your ass.

• 27:35Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 27:36Laci Mosley?

  Like on the trading floor.

• 27:37Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 27:37Laci Mosley?

  They'd be like, buy, buy, sell, sell, bitch. Like, love that show. Absolutely unhinged. All the sexy people just being sexy and saying jargon at me.

• 27:46Speaker 07

  It's incredible how much I feel like I've learned and how I've also learned that you can have sex with anyone and then just sort of continue your life.

• 27:56Speaker 07

  They have sex all the time with like their coworkers and then sort of never address it. And it's like, great.

• 28:00Laci Mosley?

  Then their roommates, it's like, I'm not gonna spoil anything, but they're like a threesome and then they're all roommates. Then sometimes they fight, then sometimes they help each other cover up murder. It's like, they just do whatever.

• 28:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's just whatever, yeah.

• 28:11Laci Mosley?

  It's kind of amazing.

• 28:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's perfect.

• 28:13Laci Mosley?

  I gotta get into this new season.

• 28:15Speaker 07

  I haven't watched it yet either.

• 28:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's so good though. Please, I keep my show on the air industry on HBO. If you, or is it Max now? Is it HBO? Did we put the, what is it now?

• 28:25Speaker 07

  It's HBO.

• 28:26Laci Mosley?

  No, they went back to HBO.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  I think they did.

• 28:29Speaker 06

  Oh, they did?

• 28:29Laci Mosley?

  And they didn't make an announcement about it.

• 28:30Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, cuz they, well, they had, they sent so many emails for that first change.

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and we were pissed off.

• 28:35Speaker 07

  Well, and then they made everything purple. Do you guys remember that?

• 28:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 28:39Speaker 06

  Yes. I have like four HBOs on my Apple TV too, cuz I like kept having to download the new ones. So I just see the changes all lined up.

• 28:46Laci Mosley?

  I have HBO Go, HBO Max.

• 28:48Speaker 07

  HBO Go was such a funny thing.

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  Max, Pro, Hobo Go.

• 28:56Laci Mosley?

  Ho, ho, that's just for Christmas stuff. Like, what are we doing? I just wanna know who that scammer was who got into that position that they were way underqualified for and was like, okay, how can I switch things up? Synergy, let me think, okay, guys, we make everything purple. We change it to Max. I forget what it was, oh, I was gonna say, like, this financial froster thing where Martin is just like, I'm not gonna do my job. And now I have all your money, what am I to do but steal it? Makes sense? Yes?

• 29:24Speaker 07

  I, I, it's honestly over my head. I'm like, is that just what finance is?

• 29:29Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 29:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know, where's the differentiation between like when it's a scam and when it's a perfectly fine money move?

• 29:36Laci Mosley?

  It's when gambling and suits and cocaine and yelling and jargon, really high jargon. They all meet together. And so it's like you need somebody because you don't know what a NASDAQ is, but I do, you little bitch. I'm the NASDAQ middleman, so you get over here, you give me your money. Okay, I'll let you know what the Dow Jones is doing. You ain't never met Dow, that's my homie.

• 29:59Laci Mosley?

  They're just making it complicated.

• 30:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're just gatekeeping information.

• 30:02Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and ruining the economy while doing so. Beautiful convention. So shout out to 1920s. So, so our, our queen Mary, back to her. She's originally from Michigan and is also gone by the name Mary Carol Cleral.

• 30:16Speaker 06

  Cleral?

• 30:17Speaker 07

  That's her fake name?

• 30:18Speaker 06

  She just combined two names.

• 30:20Speaker 07

  Cleral.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  I feel like anybody who has multiple names, I'm automatically suspicious. She's now going by, she's going by Mary Carol McDonald right now, which sounds more normal. But Mary Carol Cleral, I ain't.

• 30:31Speaker 06

  Mary Carol Cleral.

• 30:32Laci Mosley?

  I ain't buying shit you're selling.

• 30:33Speaker 07

  No.

• 30:34Speaker 06

  Wait, no, they're both Carol Carol. They're just spelled differently. Mary Carol Carol.

• 30:38Speaker 07

  Also, bad fake name.

• 30:39Laci Mosley?

  Not good. Mary Carol Carol?

• 30:41Speaker 06

  She should have been Mary Carol Max. Go.

• 30:46Laci Mosley?

  Then I would buy that.

• 30:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, me too.

• 30:48Laci Mosley?

  Then I'm in for it. I downloaded it again, you said? Okay, they added another Carol? Okay. So when one Carol wasn't enough, you know, she added it on. She is white, she has blue eyes and a scar on her right knee, according to the FBI wanted posters. So now we're supposed to be looking at knees? FBI, do your fuck job.

• 31:05Speaker 07

  Also, you can't see her eyes at all in this picture. She has so much eyeshadow on.

• 31:12Speaker 07

  Like, where's the scar?

• 31:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:14Laci Mosley?

  And where's the knee? You can't tell me about the knee and then not show me the knee.

• 31:18Speaker 06

  I know. And I'm like, is she, is she wearing shorts everywhere?

• 31:23Speaker 07

  This woman loves shorts.

• 31:24Speaker 06

  She's like 78?

• 31:26Laci Mosley?

  I see a lady like her, I'm like, hey, girl, do you mind, like, lifting up your pant leg? Also, what's your weight?

• 31:33Speaker 06

  Also, do you think you could play on a boob commercial?

• 31:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, the FBI is starting to give like doctor's office visit and it's pissing me off. So, um, the McDonald Aircraft family, this is what Mary made up, right? So, starting in 2017, Mary posed as an heir to the McDonald Aircraft family. McDonald Douglas Aircraft Corporation is a former aerospace giant that produced commercial jetliners and military aircrafts. So in 1924, when the pilots first flew around the world, imagine being the person on the first successful flight. Like, aren't you crazy?

• 32:05Speaker 06

  I can't even fly now.

• 32:07Laci Mosley?

  Right. Oh, no, but I mean, the doors are sliding off the shit. Quality control is crazy. I'm like, are we gonna land?

• 32:14Speaker 06

  Everyone's in their like finest suits, too.

• 32:17Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 32:17Speaker 06

  It's like you can't even get comfortable.

• 32:19Laci Mosley?

  I feel like at some point, the airlines, like, they're not gonna be like, fly the friendly skies. They're just gonna be like, we land. Be like, oh, buying my ticket from them. They land.

• 32:28Speaker 07

  Have you guys seen pictures of the first of like early airplanes, what the seats used to look like? No. They were just like folding chairs.

• 32:35Speaker 06

  What?

• 32:35Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 32:36Speaker 06

  Really?

• 32:36Laci Mosley?

  Wait, I need, oh my gosh, why would anybody get in that?

• 32:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's terrifying.

• 32:41Speaker 07

  No, that's too scary.

• 32:42Speaker 06

  It's, it looks sort of like a helicopter.

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  At least it's a seaplane. I think it's, that's a seaplane. I wanna see early airline folding chair seats, cuz I'm interested now. I'm not getting a folding chair in the sky. That's crazy. So in 1924, the pilots would like fly around the whole world. A wicker chair? I know y'all did it.

• 32:59Speaker 06

  That's horrible.

• 33:00Speaker 07

  It looks like a patio furniture, but like not in a nice way. Like, that thing's gonna slide around the plane.

• 33:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:06Laci Mosley?

  Like, y'all went to Home Goods and decorated the plane?

• 33:09Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 33:10Laci Mosley?

  And you know it wasn't no seatbelts.

• 33:12Speaker 07

  No, of course not. They didn't even believe in that stuff at that time.

• 33:15Speaker 06

  And everyone's chain smoking like crazy.

• 33:17Laci Mosley?

  Which I don't understand why they let them hotbox the plane like that.

• 33:20Speaker 07

  That's crazy.

• 33:21Laci Mosley?

  For so long.

• 33:22Speaker 06

  For so long. It was like the last rule they changed.

• 33:25Laci Mosley?

  Which didn't make sense. Just like, yeah, what if they cause a fire? Now it's fire on the plane. We're all on.

• 33:29Speaker 06

  I know.

• 33:30Laci Mosley?

  Come on now, y'all. So, you know, they would fly around the whole, well, this first pilot who flew around the whole world, it took 175 days, and they did it in a McDonnell Douglas airplane. So basically, McDonnell Douglas really popped off because this huge feat was made where a pilot flew around the world. Kinda like when Tiger Woods hit that hole in one and the Nike check sign showed right before it went in the cup. And Nike was like, you're ours.

• 33:52Speaker 07

  Exactly like that. That's crazy.

• 33:55Laci Mosley?

  So, the McDonnell Aircraft Group was established by aviation pioneer James S. McDonald, and was also a big player in the aerospace and defense industry. They made landmark military aircrafts such as the F-4 Phantom II, and contributed to NASA's Mercury and Gemini space missions. McDonnell Douglas merged with Boeing in August of 1997 in a $13 billion stock swap.

• 34:20Speaker 07

  I know what that is.

• 34:21Laci Mosley?

  You know how you buy a company for some stocks? Like, we can use stocks in Boeing. You give us your company.

• 34:26Speaker 07

  Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So James' son, John F. McDonald, E-I-E-I-O, okay.

• 34:36Laci Mosley?

  Who later served as chairman of the McDonald Douglas Corp. Has estimated their net worth is around 183 million. Mary isn't a part of the same McDonald family. But she claimed to have a secret trust fund worth 80 million that she would eventually have access to. So Mary's now a Nigerian.

• 34:58Laci Mosley?

  They said she was a white lady with blue eyes, but now I don't know.

• 35:00Speaker 07

  Wait, she's saying at 87 that she...

• 35:03Laci Mosley?

  Seventy-three.

• 35:03Speaker 07

  A secret trust fund.

• 35:05Laci Mosley?

  At 73, yes.

• 35:06Speaker 07

  She has a secret trust.

• 35:08Speaker 06

  It unlocks at 85. She can't spend it irresponsibly.

• 35:13Speaker 07

  So she gets like five years with the trust fund? What the hell?

• 35:15Laci Mosley?

  You gotta die before you get it. That's when you get it. Seventy-three with a trust fund is wild.

• 35:21Speaker 06

  We want you to have the most epic funeral ever.

• 35:25Laci Mosley?

  Literally, that's the only place she's gonna be able to use it. Oh my God, what a great observation.

• 35:37Laci Mosley?

  So she got a 14.7 million dollar loan from the Bank of California. And an estimated 15 million dollars from additional financial institutions. That she said she would pay them back for. For this, like with the secret trust.

• 35:53Speaker 06

  That has like 20 million dollars in it.

• 35:56Laci Mosley?

  It's got 80 million dollars.

• 35:57Speaker 07

  Eighty, eighty. I mean, I'm embarrassed. These institutions should be embarrassed.

• 36:01Speaker 06

  This is...

• 36:01Speaker 07

  Right?

• 36:02Laci Mosley?

  Like, I don't know what the trust was like 80 when I'm 80. 80 mil when I'm 80.

• 36:06Speaker 06

  80 when I'm 80. Yeah, if she pitched it like that, then I forgive them.

• 36:11Laci Mosley?

  Maybe you're on to something. So Bellum Entertainment, so remember she had Bellum Entertainment. Bellum Entertainment does not exist anymore. But it came under intense scrutiny by the California Labor Commission during her time as CEO. For non-payment of wages to dozens of its former workers. Including former police officers and FBI agents who appeared as experts on many crime shows. I'm not mad about that.

• 36:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 36:39Speaker 06

  I'm back on her side.

• 36:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 36:40Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, hee hee hee, gotcha bitch. You're like, FBI, you're not even working. You're telling me to look at this lady, me, get out of my face. So around the same time, the FBI says she was involved in defrauding Bank of California and other financial institutions. McDonald told employees that significant bank fraud was the reason the company was unable to meet payroll. So while she's out here telling everybody that she's an heiress and she's getting all these millions from these banks, she's also telling the people that she's employed that, oh my God, they robbing us of all the money that we made.

• 37:12Laci Mosley?

  I was gonna do payroll, but we got, it was a stick up.

• 37:16Speaker 06

  This must be the most charming liar in the world. She's like, she's turning everyone against each other.

• 37:21Laci Mosley?

  She is.

• 37:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 07

  That lady didn't look charming to me at all.

• 37:24Speaker 06

  I know. It's the thing. I'm like trying to picture her telling me something and me believing it.

• 37:29Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes it doesn't come through the photos. Sometimes it's a real life thing. Like, have you ever like hooked up with a ugly person? Like, like if you, if you showed a photo to your friends of the person and they would be like, why would you, ew? But then I'm like, no, you gotta see him in person. Like, how they look like a pit bull in the photo, but I'm, I tell you, in person, you would see the briz.

• 37:48Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's part of being an improv comedian, too. You're like, someone on stage looks a lot different. Someone having fun on stage looks a lot different.

• 37:58Laci Mosley?

  Real shit. Cause there's a bunch of like, and honestly, it's most of the guys. You always see the hottest improv girlie with just the schlubbiest, ugliest improv guy you've ever seen. I'm like, how did you pull that baddie?

• 38:11Speaker 06

  I know.

• 38:11Laci Mosley?

  How?

• 38:12Speaker 07

  And it's insane, cause they're usually kind of assholes, too. The guys. And it's like, what?

• 38:17Laci Mosley?

  And the girl was paying for everything. And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, he flew you, or you flew him out to DCM. What do you mean?

• 38:24Speaker 07

  They're always so broke.

• 38:26Laci Mosley?

  What do you mean?

• 38:28Speaker 07

  You flew him first to DCM so he could do a 4 a.m. show?

• 38:32Speaker 06

  To no one.

• 38:33Speaker 07

  He must be incredible.

• 38:37Laci Mosley?

  So it's working for me. Former FBI specialist agent Tim Clemente. I like your last name Clemente.

• 38:46Laci Mosley?

  It's doing something for me.

• 38:47Speaker 06

  Clemente.

• 38:47Laci Mosley?

  Right, it feels like a brand. Clemente. So, um, and his colleagues at XG Productions, so this FBI agent Tim Clemente and his colleagues at XG Production, which is a media management company that specializes in true crime, said that they had worked on more than 100 true crime shows for Mary's company, acting on screen, I guess, experts and commentators on cases. In 2017, Tim and his team claimed that they were owed $50,000 in back wages by the company, refusing to work until they received the cash. So they were like, we gave you all these inside tips. I'm like, did you though?

• 39:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:23Laci Mosley?

  Like, I feel like anytime I see an FBI person sitting down, they're just like, the most boring person ever.

• 39:29Speaker 06

  It's so boring.

• 39:30Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we waited outside their house for two days, and I had a mayo sandwich. And finally, they threw out the trash, and we went through the trash, and we found the receipt. I know.

• 39:42Speaker 06

  And then they're always talking about like, how they can... This is the other thing, like, they couldn't tell that this lady was lying out her ass, but like, the whole time that they're... I feel like half the time they're talking, they're like, they're like, this is how you spot a master manipulator liar. But it's like, so, I'm like, I don't buy, I don't buy that for a second.

• 39:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and they always like, big themselves up like they are the main character hero. They'll be like, you know, everybody on the desk just kept throwing this file away because they couldn't crack it. But something about it to me, I was like, I can do it. I'm gonna crack it. And I'm like, okay, okay buddy, sure thing. So, former FBI special agent, right? We're talking about all the money that they didn't get, and that they're owed $50,000, they refused to work until then. Obviously, they still want to be on TV, like, because they're like, we refused to work until we get our 50K, but it's like, maybe just quit.

• 40:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, stop doing it.

• 40:30Laci Mosley?

  No, we want to be on TV, we'll do anything. So at the time, Bellum said it would halt production if she paid them. So she was like, y'all gotta let me finish shooting, and then I'm gonna give y'all y'all money later, don't even worry about that. Why y'all want money, are y'all broke?

• 40:47Speaker 07

  You guys are coming off a little desperate here, okay?

• 40:50Laci Mosley?

  Brokey, you wanna get paid?

• 40:52Speaker 07

  It is crazy how long it takes to get paid doing TV stuff, though.

• 40:55Laci Mosley?

  That's the thing, yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 07

  It's crazy.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  This is not out of the ordinary.

• 40:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:59Laci Mosley?

  No, but you have to deliver your money on time.

• 41:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:01Laci Mosley?

  I've never been able to be like, oh yeah, I'll be on set in three to five business weeks. Like, no, you have to like, Yeah. I have to come when you need me, because you're like, money?

• 41:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're like, come on, it's coming, jeez, relax.

• 41:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they're like, it's coming as long as we don't run out.

• 41:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:14Laci Mosley?

  Literally what she said. She said, we got something left, I'mma send it to you, hell! Now get back in that chair with the mood lighting and talk to the camera. So that same year, the company was the subject of two identical lawsuits, both claiming that Bellum breached their contract of more than $3 million each. The two suits seem to be describing the same 104-episode crime show, but with different titles and two different producers. So they trying to sue people twice? Like, are y'all scamming? So in one suit, the show was called They Kill For It, and the plaintiff is Armageddon Media. Love that name.

• 41:55Laci Mosley?

  And in the other, the series is called Provisionally Entitled Lady Killers.

• 42:01Speaker 07

  Sorry, what?

• 42:01Laci Mosley?

  Provisionally entitled? Lady Killers. That's the name of the show.

• 42:08Speaker 07

  That's a bad name.

• 42:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's way too long. You're not watching Provisionally Titled Lady Killers?

• 42:13Speaker 07

  Clearly, he's insane.

• 42:15Laci Mosley?

  On HBO Mo? You're not. So, um, and that plaintiff was the Adarandock Entertainment. So to simplify this, two people are suing, and it seems like they're talking about the same show, but they just tweaked the name. So one is calling it They Kill For It, which I'm definitely gonna watch that one over Provisionally Entitled Lady Killers.

• 42:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Say it out and back, Isabella.

• 42:39Speaker 06

  Provisionally entitled lady killers.

• 42:42Laci Mosley?

  You got it, you got it.

• 42:44Speaker 06

  I'll watch it.

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  I knew you would, I knew you would. That's why I was like, you could say it back real quick. Mary was also being investigated by the US Department of Labor for misclassifying workers as independent contractors instead of employees. Who hasn't done that at least once?

• 42:59Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying. This is all par for the course so far.

• 43:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're 1099. What's up? Yeah, you do need to come to work every day from 9 to 5, but 1099, okay? You get it? So Mary lets her employees know that there was a lot going on, but it was all going to work out okay in an email, she says.

• 43:19Speaker 06

  Imagine getting that email. Hey, guys, there's a lot going on, but it's all gonna work out okay.

• 43:24Speaker 07

  That is the email the commercial agents like just sent us. They're like, we don't know what's happening, but like, it's gonna pick up soon.

• 43:31Speaker 06

  There hasn't been a single commercial this year, but it's all gonna be okay.

• 43:34Laci Mosley?

  Keep the faith. As soon, so this is the email that in quotes, it says, "As you know, we had significant bank fraud which occurred about a week ago, which caused major issues with our account. Once that situation is resolved, we will be distributing the checks." She put a Q in "check," which I think is classy.

• 43:55Speaker 07

  That is French.

• 43:57Speaker 06

  That's how you get people to trust you in an email like that. You're like, don't worry, don't worry, they're coming.

• 44:02Laci Mosley?

  She, wait, she didn't say "check" with a K? She said "shack" with a Q. Okay, we're getting paid for sure. So she said they'll be distributing the shacks for the 20.

• 44:12Speaker 06

  The shacks.

• 44:16Speaker 06

  If I didn't have money, would I be this fancy?

• 44:18Laci Mosley?

  Come on, guys. I clearly have the money. Yeah, so she says they're gonna be doing it for a specific week, but we do not have the specific date. I know this is frustrating for all of us, but be assured that Bellum is doing well. Between the bank fraud and the delay in line of credit, we were in a challenging position, but that is being rectified and we are moving forward in a very positive direction. Expect a great summer and fall doing these shows.

• 44:51Speaker 06

  I honestly think I've gotten that exact email from a few productions.

• 44:55Laci Mosley?

  I just want to highlight a few things. She said the company was doing very well. And then she didn't really highlight anything that was going well. She said between the bank fraud, the delay in line of credit, and the shek's not coming. Where is the very well in this, in this paragraph?

• 45:15Speaker 06

  She's losing her touch, I think.

• 45:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:18Speaker 06

  I think she started out lying pretty good, but I think.

• 45:20Speaker 07

  She's throwing spaghetti at the wall, seeing what sticks. She's like, I don't know, maybe the Q will just save this whole thing.

• 45:27Laci Mosley?

  You know what? You're both right, because then she disappeared. She sent a email and then ghosted. So, a lot of employees were left without pay. You got Joshua Kaufman, one of her former employees at the now defunct Bellum. He was one of her victims. And he said, "She gave the appearance that she was very independently wealthy, was always impeccably dressed, and always had that air that she knew what she was doing and that she was better than you."

• 45:55Speaker 07

  I love imagining that. Like, what does that look like? Because that's just most producers, right?

• 46:00Laci Mosley?

  It's like Miranda Priestly-esque, kind of like, that's all.

• 46:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:04Laci Mosley?

  Like, if you're good. Yeah. If you have a lot of power, you don't have to yell. That's why when people, like, in powerful positions are screaming at their employees, I'm like, "You are insecure inside."

• 46:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:14Laci Mosley?

  Because if you really have power, I should just be like, "Clear the room." And then everyone just sprints.

• 46:19Speaker 06

  That's true. I know, I always, I always notice that in Succession. It's like, the second someone important comes in, they have like, three people leave, and my stomach drops. And I'm like, "This person must be really powerful." And I'm like glued to the TV.

• 46:33Laci Mosley?

  That's such a thing. I never noticed that. You're so right. When a powerful person comes in, at least the people scurry out.

• 46:38Speaker 06

  They scurry.

• 46:39Laci Mosley?

  They drop coffees off and they're like, "Ah!"

• 46:42Speaker 06

  And then they're like, "Hello." I'm like, "Oh, my god."

• 46:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and it's always such measured speaking.

• 46:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:49Laci Mosley?

  Like, if you talk slower with intentionality, if you talk like Erica Kirk, and look up a lot, and just God, and really truth, then, like, you know, people believe it. They're like, "Yeah, you must know what you're saying." "I don't know what you said."

• 47:06Speaker 07

  I just locked in on you.

• 47:07Speaker 06

  I know, that was really good.

• 47:08Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 47:09Speaker 06

  I wish I could even put that on for a second.

• 47:11Speaker 07

  You have a lot of power, though.

• 47:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:12Speaker 07

  The way that you, yeah. I have to, you speak with intentionality.

• 47:17Laci Mosley?

  No, don't expose my secrets. I'm such, I'm a little wee baby.

• 47:22Laci Mosley?

  Run anything.

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  So, um, he says that she took money from individuals as well as big banks and he's owed money too. Now that's fucked up, Mary. You steal from the big banks. You don't steal from the hardworking people that you had working a hundred episodes with no coin.

• 47:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 47:38Laci Mosley?

  I don't like that, Mary. And you also, you're getting greedy, bitch. Like, you have enough money.

• 47:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're making so many episodes of these shows. Was it a hundred and something?

• 47:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 47:48Speaker 07

  That's like, come on, you're chilling.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  And this is the time where those types of shows go into syndication. So you know at like 3 a.m., you about to be watching that shit if you're up. That and commercials that are telling you what's gonna make you die, you know, soon. Okay, round off. Shout out to y'all. Sponsors of the show.

• 48:08Laci Mosley?

  So Mary's nephew, Peter McDonald, worked at Bellum for 10 years as vice president and said that he was unaware of the bank fraud and was owed at least $10,000 himself when he quit in July 17th. So she knew to pay the family. I like that she kept the family close. But that last 10K, she was like nephew, ain't getting that.

• 48:25Speaker 07

  It didn't quite get there.

• 48:27Laci Mosley?

  She was like, thank you for the Christmas gift nephew. But the rest of the time, either he knew and he was covering it up and getting paid, or he was getting paid and he didn't know. I don't believe he didn't know.

• 48:36Speaker 07

  I, I, people always know. But they can, it probably is like he knew, but they never, you know, it wasn't explicit. That's the best situation to be in. Kind of right next to the scammer.

• 48:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, a J said.

• 48:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, where, yeah, it's like they're, when they take the head off, you just, they, they like can't keep track of where the money went. So you like walk away with a lot of money.

• 48:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 48:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  Like, I wanna be like a coat rack for the scams. Like hang the scams on me, but then like take them away. I'm like, I'm just a coat rack. I didn't do no scams.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's the ultimate scam. It's finding someone like dumb enough to be the figurehead and getting cozy and up next to them.

• 49:08Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And also, I know he has to know because if you have put your nephew in a vice president position, what that tells me is like, yeah, you could be keeping it in the family, but you also keep it in the family because the family is less likely to turn on you. They might, they could, but they have more incentive not to.

• 49:24Speaker 07

  Wait, do you think he knows that she's pretending like that she has the, she's like an heiress or whatever? Like, does he have to be going along with that too?

• 49:32Laci Mosley?

  I don't think so. I think that was what she did for the banks.

• 49:35Speaker 07

  Okay, okay.

• 49:36Laci Mosley?

  So, another former employee said that she had all the heirs of an heiress. I don't know what those are. Do y'all just know lots of heiresses? And you're like, nah, this checks out. This heiress into me. You know what though? It kinda does give heiress because heiresses are never really that cute. They just kinda like got a lot of drip. Cause you know, if the money's in the family for long enough, like you can only marry people that have money. So that deeply restricts the hotness of the people you can marry. So then the gene pool all kinda comes all muddily.

• 50:05Speaker 07

  It becomes stuffier and stuffier genetically.

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  Very like royal family, like y'all look like cousins.

• 50:11Speaker 07

  Incestral, absolutely. I mean, it reminds me of like, who is that girl that scammed everyone?

• 50:19Laci Mosley?

  Anna Dobby?

• 50:20Speaker 07

  Yes, yes.

• 50:23Laci Mosley?

  And everybody was like, she just seemed rich. Like, that's what it was. She had very thin lips. She spoke very few words. And she always looked at every place like she hated it. Everywhere we went, she hated everywhere we went. And I'm like, she's gotta be rich.

• 50:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, by that standard, I'm wealthy as hell.

• 50:40Laci Mosley?

  Now, your face is a little too nice.

• 50:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  But you know what? That's giving secret wealth. That's giving like you walk around a thousand dollar t-shirts. And then, yeah, and then I would only know you're rich if I go to like the rich people event on the island. Or like, I'm in one of those like trough things in Switzerland with all the glass going to wherever the fuck. And I'm like, Anna!

• 50:58Speaker 07

  I knew it.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  A trough thing?

• 51:01Speaker 07

  What is that?

• 51:02Laci Mosley?

  I know what you mean.

• 51:04Speaker 07

  It's like a trolley in the sky.

• 51:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, one of those.

• 51:06Speaker 07

  Those things are scary looking.

• 51:08Laci Mosley?

  They are. That's why I loved Insecession. They were in a, having a beautiful view around them and just like screaming at each other.

• 51:13Speaker 07

  I know. Would you prefer secret, like rich, that you like find out someone has like a thousand dollar t-shirt or whatever? Or would you prefer that it's like a little flashy and you get to enjoy it with them?

• 51:25Laci Mosley?

  I feel like quiet luxury, they think they're better than loud luxury. But it's not as much fun to be quiet luxury because it's like we all have to go find the new quiet trend to run away from the pores. Cause as soon as like- People in the middle class can afford one little thing that the rich people had. They move away from that.

• 51:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:40Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean?

• 51:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:41Laci Mosley?

  Like, um, for example, like monogram things, like so Gucci belts and like monogram purses. It used to be like very loud brands, right? And then once the middle class could afford one for Christmas, they were like, we gotta get away from this.

• 51:53Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:54Laci Mosley?

  This ghetto shit I've ever seen in my life, Hermes.

• 51:56Speaker 07

  They're like, it's tacky to have your initials on things. It's like, unless, unless you're like my grandma.

• 52:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:02Speaker 07

  And it's like two generations ago.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I like when people have fun with their clothes. I also tend to think like snooty people aren't having as much fun because you have to perform all the time, the snootiness.

• 52:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 52:11Laci Mosley?

  And I have no interest in that.

• 52:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 52:13Laci Mosley?

  I used to go out with girls like who liked to perform snootiness like in the club because they were looking for like pro athletes. And one of the tips of like walking around and looking like you're too good for shit was like, you never like walked up and said hi to people. You looked like really pretty and then it's dark, right? And these clubs and it's hard to get in. And you put your phone screen on full brightness and then you just stare at it so people can see how pretty you are. And then they pull you over.

• 52:36Speaker 06

  The phone, you stare at the phone?

• 52:38Speaker 07

  I've never have thought of that.

• 52:40Speaker 06

  I haven't thought of that, but I actually have seen people with their phone close to their face and I'm like gorgeous.

• 52:45Speaker 07

  That glow.

• 52:47Speaker 06

  I'm like, they're glowing. How do they do that? I'm like, I can't do that. The second I dress up, I'm like bounding after people like a Labrador. I'm like, I look cute. Let's use it. Who wants to talk to me?

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  I love it. I love it.

• 53:00Speaker 07

  That's adorable. And that was like a kind of beautiful sentence.

• 53:03Laci Mosley?

  It was bounding after people.

• 53:04Speaker 07

  Like a Labrador. I, that was gorgeous. She, she studied poetry.

• 53:08Laci Mosley?

  Don't tell Taylor Swift nothing, okay? She gonna steal that from you because that's a, she ain't never had a lyric that good. Oh God, the Swifties gonna come after me. Y'all know that Taylor Swift for president.

• 53:20Laci Mosley?

  I love that. I'm entitled to the episode.

• 53:23Speaker 07

  Taylor Swift for president?

• 53:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, keep the fantasia.

• 53:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh my gosh. So, um, let's see where she's at, which clearly we know we don't know. So whereabouts? An arrest warrant was issued for her in 2018. She is believed to be on the run in the Middle East.

• 53:43Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 53:44Laci Mosley?

  Now, Mary was a pretty pale lady.

• 53:48Speaker 07

  Why is she going to, she's?

• 53:49Laci Mosley?

  Y'all couldn't find her in the Middle East? I feel like. Everybody got a little tan now. I feel like y'all can find Mary.

• 53:54Speaker 06

  Maybe they didn't get the weight memo.

• 53:56Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 53:57Laci Mosley?

  The knee scar. That's what it was. They didn't know about the knee scar. So.

• 54:02Speaker 07

  How do they know she's just generally in the Middle East?

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's such a broad category. That's like saying, we think she's in Asia. Yeah. Like, that's not a country, bro. Like, what do you mean? She's definitely in Africa. In the country of Africa. What?

• 54:16Speaker 06

  They're sending that scam email. They're like, we lost track of her, but don't worry. Everything's under control. We're proceeding positively. She's in the Middle East.

• 54:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she's in the Middle East. We're waiting on the fraud situation. And then we'll wire the money from the Middle East to your bank account. Exactly. You're right. That's so fucking broad. Oh, my goodness. Well, how do we feel about marrying? Do we think she's evil? Do we think she's fun? Do we think she's... What... She can be all three.

• 54:43Speaker 06

  I think she's a woman with a passion for true crime. And she just needed to see her stories come to light. I honestly... I like her. I have like a soft spot for women scammers, like Elizabeth Holmes. I'm like, you're doing all... I'm like, usually I don't hear stories about like producers going rogue and doing this.

• 54:59Laci Mosley?

  She did all the tech bro stuff. The only thing with Elizabeth was she actually did try the tiny thing on real patients. And that shit pissed me off. But everything else about it, I was like, turtleneck, tech bro, low voice. Amazing.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  I know.

• 55:09Speaker 07

  Oh, dude.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  I'm like, yeah, let's get some low voice lady representation.

• 55:12Laci Mosley?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 55:13Speaker 06

  I'm like, I like this lady.

• 55:14Speaker 07

  Also, Amanda Seyfried playing her just cracked me up, man. That was amazing.

• 55:19Laci Mosley?

  So fucking funny. But what do you think?

• 55:22Speaker 07

  I think I'm like, I'm upset that she scammed the people, not the bank.

• 55:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 07

  That's where I'm upset. But ultimately, I do kind of feel like this industry is so fucked up that I'm like, I think people are doing this every single day. And she just got caught. And maybe that's because she's an older woman and they were looking at her differently.

• 55:42Laci Mosley?

  But has she got caught?

• 55:44Speaker 07

  Oh, true.

• 55:44Laci Mosley?

  She just got discovered.

• 55:46Speaker 06

  She got discovered.

• 55:47Laci Mosley?

  She can get caught. Okay, baby, she in the Middle East. My favorite place to vacation. Have y'all ever been to the Middle East? My favorite hotel in the Middle East. It's the Middle East Hilton. It's my favorite one. Yeah. So she said, shout out to her. If she's at 73 on the lam, baby, just let her have it. I don't agree with, again, scamming the employees, the individuals, because you obviously had enough money to pay them. Now you're just getting greedy.

• 56:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 56:13Laci Mosley?

  Like, at 73, you got 30 mil. Like, baby, you ain't got enough lifetime to spend that.

• 56:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  Maybe then she's like, I'm gonna get a bionic hip. I'm gonna get a baby heart. I'm gonna live forever.

• 56:22Speaker 07

  A baby heart is crazy.

• 56:24Speaker 06

  A baby heart and a bionic hip.

• 56:26Speaker 07

  The ultimate duo.

• 56:28Speaker 06

  She's gonna be crawling like crazy.

• 56:33Speaker 07

  Crushing apple juices.

• 56:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, love it. So that wraps up historic hoodwinks, which brings us to our last segment. Oh, I know you guys are shocked, right? I'm bringing it back. Scammer of the week. I know some of y'all are always yelling at me and pissed about it. I'll bring my listener letters too. Stop yelling at me.

• 56:51Laci Mosley?

  Talking all caps way too much.

• 56:54Laci Mosley?

  But Scammer of the Week is where we highlight a charlatan that we believe is worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. We'll see.

• 57:01Laci Mosley?

  So speaking of lady hustlers, a woman in South Carolina has admitted to a high-stakes ski pass scam. Jamila Green sold discount Icon and Epic Ski Snowboard Passes to winter sportsgoers on the Utah slopes. This is such a relatable scam because I know you guys are all out there hitting the slopes.

• 57:24Laci Mosley?

  Like, aren't we all? I'll pray ski. Come on, guys. This is what we're doing. Okay, don't get weirded out if y'all see me on the slopes in a little bit in France.

• 57:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 57:34Laci Mosley?

  No, so she was doing this like in Utah. Basically, what an Icon Pass, and it's like I-K-O-N pass, P-A-S-S. What an Icon Pass provides is like access to Deer Valley Resort, Solitude Mountain Resort, Brighton Resort, and Alta Ski Area Resort. You guys know these resorts, right? Yeah, intimately. Yeah.

• 57:56Speaker 07

  I've had to buy an Icon Pass before, actually. And, well, I'll wait till you're done explaining.

• 58:02Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and snowboard and snow basin. So this pass basically, it's like a great deal because then you're not having to go to each resort and pay the fee. It's like you just flash the pass, right? Am I right about this?

• 58:12Speaker 07

  Yes, yes.

• 58:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay.

• 58:16Speaker 07

  Made myself the snowboard expert.

• 58:19Laci Mosley?

  How very gay of you.

• 58:22Laci Mosley?

  Epic Pass accesses Park City Mountain in Utah, as well as more than 50 other resorts. God damn it, it's resorts, guys, you can just leave that in. In other states and countries. So a multi-resort ski pass typically costs between $750 and $1,300. Which is, you know, it's a good deal for what you're getting. If you paid individually, no?

• 58:47Speaker 07

  I don't think it's a good deal because nobody actually skis as much as they plan to. Like, I think the Icon Pass is a scam. I think all skiing is kind of a scam.

• 58:55Laci Mosley?

  That's so true.

• 58:57Speaker 07

  So I kind of love this lady. I want her to make money off of it.

• 59:01Laci Mosley?

  So let's see how she was making the money. She was buying the passes at full price using stolen credit card info.

• 59:08Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 59:10Speaker 07

  I guess I should let you finish your sentences.

• 59:13Laci Mosley?

  You've made your choice. No, you made your choice. You made your bed. Yeah. You made your bed.

• 59:16Speaker 06

  You love that this lady stole from the...

• 59:20Laci Mosley?

  Get on your lift and you can ride it.

• 59:22Speaker 07

  That's the problem with interrupting. Because sometimes you just...

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  No, it's my favorite thing.

• 59:26Speaker 06

  Well, I like to make it clear that I think this lady's bad.

• 59:31Speaker 07

  Damn it.

• 59:32Laci Mosley?

  No, I love the balls to interrupt because I got you. I'm like, and I'm smiling, and you're like, yeah, I think so too. I think she's great. Yeah, we love her. So, um, she would buy these passes at full price using the stolen credit cards. It was a very specific, very seasonal scam. She ran the scheme along with several accomplices from November 2020 through May 2024.

• 59:53Speaker 06

  Why does she need accomplices?

• 59:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. I guess some of them steal the credit cards, I guess. And it included multi-resort passes and passes to individual resorts in Utah. So they would advertise discounted ski passes on online forums and ski communities. When someone responded, they would communicate with that person via online chats and texts to get the person's name, address, and any other information required to purchase the pass. Jamila and others would then buy the pass using the stolen credit card info and sell it at a discount to the online buyer. Okay, so the online buyer are gonna hook up.

• 1:00:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, so they're actually walking away with the discounted pass.

• 1:00:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so they get the pass, then it sounds like they're giving them the pass.

• 1:00:33Speaker 07

  Pass works, I assume.

• 1:00:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and then, because it's a legit pass that they bought with a stolen credit card. Then if we think about the stolen credit card, credit card protected, you know, you just ring, ring, call Amex, telling them the fraud was done to you. So who's really getting hurt?

• 1:00:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's just.

• 1:00:48Speaker 07

  You guys know I love her and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm down already.

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  Cause the, the buyer would be required to pay her directly, like using Venmo, PayPal, Zelle, or Apple Pay. And it was like a multi-year, multi-million dollar business.

• 1:01:01Speaker 06

  What is multi-year? She kept it up that long?

• 1:01:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they kept it up from November 2020 to May 2024. I kinda like this scam. I feel like what it like, it's just like the rich scheming the rich.

• 1:01:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Laci Mosley?

  Cause like skiing is an expensive vacation for the average family. But scamming people into ski passes that, Anna, you were saying like the ski passes aren't really useful?

• 1:01:23Speaker 07

  I don't think so. I, I think that the, I mean, have you ever, skiing is, the whole thing is ridiculous. The whole thing is a scam. You're going down towards your death and paying for it.

• 1:01:35Laci Mosley?

  I've heard the trees are a thing, just like aggressive run-ins to trees.

• 1:01:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You hit trees, you hit kids, you hit other people. Everyone's breaking their legs. Yeah.

• 1:01:44Laci Mosley?

  You hit kids?

• 1:01:45Speaker 07

  I, I have skied straight into a kid. Yes, absolutely.

• 1:01:49Speaker 06

  I'd like to make it clear on this podcast, I'd like to make it clear, I do not hit kids.

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  Play the ambush music.

• 1:01:56Laci Mosley?

  Anna hit kids.

• 1:01:57Speaker 06

  It's that true crime thing that that lady produced.

• 1:02:00Laci Mosley?

  I heard, I heard she does it on purpose. That's the only time of the year she can hit kids. So she has to go skiing so she can hit kids. Hopefully they cast me in the reenactment. Of you and the kids?

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  And then you're like on the podcast being like, I had to commit my own crime to get cast in this town.

• 1:02:19Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, that may have to be our new thing. Cause true crime docs are coming out like hotcakes. So we can be charismatic enough.

• 1:02:25Speaker 06

  I know.

• 1:02:25Laci Mosley?

  And you know, maybe get like a light sentencing, then we get a great talk.

• 1:02:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, what's our fire fest?

• 1:02:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Oh my gosh. I know, I already know what mine is. It's like my scam church. It's the congregation. Like I just open it up and, and you know, we have a church and what is it? 401(c)(? Um, yeah, we don't pay taxes.

• 1:02:42Speaker 07

  Yeah. Churches is the craziest scam.

• 1:02:46Laci Mosley?

  And I just like have people come in and donate money to me, to the building fund. There will never be another building than the one that we're in.

• 1:02:54Laci Mosley?

  Have a scam choir, we sing scam hymns.

• 1:02:56Speaker 07

  Are you watching Salt Lake City, your housewives?

• 1:02:59Laci Mosley?

  Um, I'm in and out of it, but give me a reference though.

• 1:03:01Speaker 07

  Well, just that Mary M Cosby is like, she has like a church?

• 1:03:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, she does.

• 1:03:07Speaker 07

  Documentary just came out about how it was like a scam kinda thing.

• 1:03:11Laci Mosley?

  Of course it was.

• 1:03:12Speaker 07

  What scam would you run, Isabelle?

• 1:03:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Speaker 06

  What would I run? Um, let's see. I would, I would probably, maybe a surfing school.

• 1:03:22Speaker 07

  That just sounds helpful.

• 1:03:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and very labor intensive.

• 1:03:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're right. I'm not doing this right.

• 1:03:27Speaker 07

  What's your dream job? What scam would you run?

• 1:03:32Speaker 06

  Yeah. Okay, wait, let me get, oh, I would steal suitcases at the airport.

• 1:03:37Laci Mosley?

  Why are people not doing that? That's because the suitcases are so heavy and we're so tired from the plane.

• 1:03:43Speaker 07

  It's a pain in the ass.

• 1:03:44Speaker 06

  Dude, I'm picking the most labor intensive scams of all time.

• 1:03:47Laci Mosley?

  You are. You're surfboard, steal suitcases.

• 1:03:50Speaker 06

  I gotta do one that's not carrying stuff.

• 1:03:55Speaker 06

  I'll start a Patreon.

• 1:03:57Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, that's the best scam.

• 1:03:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I dive for anchors off boats. I lug the anchors up, I sell them to other boats.

• 1:04:06Speaker 06

  It's a hard scam and a hard scam.

• 1:04:11Laci Mosley?

  So very like labor intensive. Yeah, I gotta pick something easy, like, like I'll braid, um, little white girl's hair on cruise ships.

• 1:04:20Speaker 07

  That also seems hard.

• 1:04:21Speaker 06

  That seems like babysitting and getting.

• 1:04:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna braid it real bad and they're not gonna know. So I'm gonna put like a few beads in it, they're not gonna know. They're not gonna know who's gonna tell them. They're not gonna know.

• 1:04:30Speaker 06

  Maybe I'll try to make like a cameo for myself, like on that, you know, that thing cameo and I'll somehow like, like those celebrities that are celebrities, but they haven't done anything, but somehow they're celebrities.

• 1:04:40Speaker 07

  This is another dream job of mine. It sounds like you can do so little and just kinda cruise on.

• 1:04:46Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, I'd love to be saying happy birthday to people and.

• 1:04:49Laci Mosley?

  You think that, but it's like so depressing when you actually have to film them. Hell, no. Um, no judgment. But I have seen people do them and like, hold on, I gotta finish these real quick and they're like.

• 1:05:00Speaker 07

  Hey Johnny, happy 30th birthday from me, Blankety Blank. They're like, hey Tim, so sorry for your loss. You're gonna make it through, bro. Hang in there, from Blankety Blank. Your mom says you're hot, from Blankety Blank. But they have to like, like go through a list of them and give so much energy.

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I did one, but it wasn't a cameo. Someone asked me to wish somebody a happy birthday and I said, if you donate to any charity of your choice and send it back to me, like send me the screenshot, I'll, I'll wish them a happy birthday.

• 1:05:29Speaker 07

  What charity?

• 1:05:30Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna give people ideas.

• 1:05:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 1:05:32Laci Mosley?

  Those are one and done.

• 1:05:35Speaker 07

  Cause they could scam, that's an easy scam. Yeah, my charity is OnaBetsAller.com.

• 1:05:41Laci Mosley?

  No, I think it was like the children's hospital. Yeah, they did send a screenshot and it had their name.

• 1:05:46Speaker 07

  When I did the, the TV show, The Z-Suite, I got a DM from Cameo and they said, hey, do you wanna be on Cameo? And I was like, I, I totally wanted to, but, cause it's, I, I would love to just grab a little money here and there.

• 1:06:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:01Speaker 07

  Nobody's gonna buy my cameo.

• 1:06:03Laci Mosley?

  Nobody even watched that show. Believe in yourself, Anna. You gotta believe in yourself. If Cameo DM'd you, that means that somebody must be thirsty over there for you.

• 1:06:10Speaker 07

  It is thirsty.

• 1:06:11Laci Mosley?

  They got too many hits and they were like, okay, let's just DM Anna, cause we gotta let her know she need to get over here.

• 1:06:15Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:06:16Laci Mosley?

  I would do it, I'm not, I don't think it's icky for like the money or anything like that. I would do it if it wouldn't depress me to just have to go through it. You should see how like, when I have to do stuff here, like Justin, Richard, like do, say the stuff.

• 1:06:29Speaker 06

  My friend got a Meg Stalter cameo for his girlfriend. Uh, it was for Valentine's Day, but then like, one of them cheated right before it, but it was already like, sent. So it was like the most dystopian cameo ever, cause it was like, like you guys are gonna have like such cute little baby. Like it's the most awkward like Meg Stalter thing and he couldn't unsend it. So it just popped up there. Isn't that crazy? I was like depressed. I was like-

• 1:06:56Laci Mosley?

  That would be my 13th reason. Like, how dare you? And Meg's all just so fucking funny. Like, how dare you send me this funny ass, fucking, hopeful thing?

• 1:07:02Speaker 07

  I know.

• 1:07:03Laci Mosley?

  And then we broke up.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  From like the most awkward woman of all time, too.

• 1:07:06Speaker 07

  But it sounds like it was like a genuine, she wasn't like doing a character?

• 1:07:10Speaker 06

  She was doing, it was a little bit of both. It was like so genuine. It's just what she does.

• 1:07:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but it's cute and it's funny. So you would be like, oh, babe! You know I love Meg! And then, but now it's like, I can't believe you'd shame me like this.

• 1:07:21Speaker 06

  It was a depressing cameo.

• 1:07:23Speaker 07

  I wonder if anyone's ever sent a cameo to break up with someone?

• 1:07:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:07:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 06

  You think so?

• 1:07:27Laci Mosley?

  Oh, hell, yeah.

• 1:07:28Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Speaker 06

  Would you like that?

• 1:07:30Speaker 07

  Um, depends who it's from, I guess.

• 1:07:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:32Laci Mosley?

  It would be less awkward, for sure.

• 1:07:35Speaker 06

  If it was like your favorite celebrity? I'm like, what emotion would win?

• 1:07:39Speaker 07

  Right. Yeah, I'm like excited, but I'm bummed.

• 1:07:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like if you send it from like Carrot Top, I'm gonna be pissed the fuck off.

• 1:07:45Speaker 07

  I am gonna be so mad.

• 1:07:47Speaker 06

  Can you get Carrot Top to do your dirty work?

• 1:07:50Laci Mosley?

  Fucking Steve Buscemi's breaks up with me, I'll beat your ass. Then we gotta fight.

• 1:07:55Speaker 09

  It has happened, and Mark McGrath was the one, it was the most famous one that did it. So it has happened to send a breakup cameo from Sugar Ray, or the lead singer of Sugar Ray.

• 1:08:04Laci Mosley?

  Shut the door, baby. Don't say a word. And he was like, we shutting the door, baby.

• 1:08:11Speaker 06

  I just wanna fly away.

• 1:08:14Speaker 09

  And Bruce Buffer, the guy who goes, let's get ready to, you know, rumble. That guy.

• 1:08:19Speaker 07

  Oh, the let's get ready to rumble, boy? Let's get ready to divorce.

• 1:08:24Laci Mosley?

  Divorce is crazy.

• 1:08:27Laci Mosley?

  I was gonna say breakup, but divorce is just-

• 1:08:29Speaker 07

  No, no.

• 1:08:30Laci Mosley?

  No. Then I'm driving, I'm getting in my car, and I'm driving like Isabella. I'm going eight miles. I mean, like, eight hours away. We have to fade.

• 1:08:40Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. Well, this has been such a blast. Thank you guys so much for coming on the show. What a good time.

• 1:08:45Speaker 06

  Thanks for having us. It's so fun.

• 1:08:47Laci Mosley?

  And we always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Any socials you wanna plug, any podcasts? And where can people see you, that you wanna be seen? So, you know, like, not bedroom curtain, but like, you know?

• 1:08:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, my home address.

• 1:09:00Speaker 06

  We do an improv podcast together called Anna and Isabella Do Improv, where we just like experiment with different forms and chat and do some scenes.

• 1:09:08Speaker 07

  Oh, yes.

• 1:09:09Laci Mosley?

  Check that out. You can also follow us on Instagram.

• 1:09:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Laci Mosley?

  At Anna Bittsallar.

• 1:09:14Speaker 06

  And at Isabella Ask.

• 1:09:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes. You can see all of the photos of the baddie heiress. We don't have any photos of her knees, guys. I'm so sorry. But you can see everything like that at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. You can chat with me at Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter. You can follow me and my own personal shenanigans at D I B A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. Guys, Going Dutch, Season Two is out now. It's super fun. Like, look, if y'all watched the first season because y'all love me, like, please watch the second season because I'm in. Like, y'all snack and we fuck that shit up. It's lit as fuck. And also, stream Scam Goddess on Hulu and pick up my book, Scam Goddess. And yes, we're going on a mini little tour in the spring. So if you're in Chicago, Irving, Texas, New York, the Grand Mercy, can I remember them all, San Francisco, and Chicago.

• 1:10:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, if you're in any of those cities in the spring, I'll post some flyers or whatever, but like, pull up all may and act a fucking fool because that's what I deserve. Yes, so congregation, I want y'all to get out there. I want you to get out there and stay McDonald-ing.

• 1:10:17Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess! Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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