Doctor DoRobbery w/ Franchesca Ramsey (Fraud Friday)

This week on Fraud Friday, Franchesca Ramsey (Superstore) joins Laci to discuss the doctor who scammed patients through malicious medical malpractice. Plus, a woman on the run is arrested after inquiring about her reward money. Stay Schemin’! (Originally released 08/02/2021) TW: This story contains examples of domestic violence and graphic surgical malpractice. CON-gregation, keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Franchesca Ramsey: @chescaleigh Research Assistant: Kaelyn Brandt Sources: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wanted-suspect-caught-reward-money-arrest-police-facebook/story?id=78921626 https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/convicted-leader-billion-dollar-health-care-scam-plead-guilty-violating-court https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-14/california-medical-board-fraud-scheme-san-diego-doctor https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gangrene/symptoms-causes/syc-20352567

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• 1:00Speaker 03

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• 1:51Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:32Laci Mosley?

  Was poppin' congregation. It's me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of Scam Goddess. And I am so what? Don't hesitate to say it. Yes, excited. Y'all know, y'all know, I love y'all. How y'all doing? Good, bad, ugly? Okay, listen, I am very excited. I, you, okay, I be saying this every week, but I really am, I always am. And today, this is like my shero, my queen. I don't know if y'all keep up with my life outside of the Scam Podcast, but like, this woman has held me down, lifted me up, made sure I was cute. She is a producer, she's a writer, she's a creator.

• 3:17Laci Mosley?

  You've seen her on all of the things, honey. She recently wrote an iCarly episode titled, "I Need Space, Okay?" She's a producer of the, on the entire series, honey. And, listen, a blast. I love this woman so much. And she's also hot, which is ridiculously unfair. It's a scam. I feel like Jesus, you know, and God, when they was stirring up niggas in the sky or whatever, you know, they give everybody some qualities, you know? They be like, oh, she can be smart, or she can be talented. And then they was like, oops, we also jumped in a lot of fine, and I'm very smart. Oh, damn it, okay, we'll just stir it up and throw it out there. Um, guys, decode it. Like, you've known this woman for, uh, this is, she's that bitch. I'm sorry, I'm rambling now, but guys, Francesca Ramsey.

• 4:02Speaker 06

  Yay, thank you. I feel like, I love that you talked about how hot I am for a podcast, where no one can see me.

• 4:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh, honey, I post photos. And they will see on the Instagram how aggressively attractive you are.

• 4:15Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, yes, I need, I need people to acknowledge and appreciate and understand, because you know, you know, you always come looking cute. It's work.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, sis, you come looking cute. Like, I'm like, this is your employment, why you got this gown on?

• 4:30Speaker 06

  Oh, listen, you know what? That is, I am, I don't really do casual. Uh, you know what I mean? I like to be overdressed. I want to show up and have people be like, who is that? So, thank you for appreciating and acknowledging that.

• 4:44Laci Mosley?

  She doesn't do casual, guys. She don't, what casual, who? I don't know the girl. Okay, Mariah Carey. Francesca works out on a treadmill in seven inch heels, you know? And that's, and we love that for you. Also, like Francesca is an amazing decorator, like sis, when it comes to decor, honey, like.

• 5:03Speaker 06

  I love looks. I love looks. I love fashion. You know, I love glam. I love color.

• 5:08Laci Mosley?

  Truly embarrassing. This is my podcast. I'm in my fucking closet, y'all, because I moved. And I'm in my closet because my office doesn't have enough furniture to create echo, like to get rid of echo right now. So I'm in my closet. Where obviously I have enough things to create echo, uh, cause I love clothes. And I'm looking at Francesca. And she is in this beautiful room with this cute ass microphone. Is, is that a fucking, is that a highlight? What, what do they call that?

• 5:33Speaker 06

  Oh, wait, the, the microphone or my light behind me?

• 5:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that light.

• 5:37Speaker 06

  Oh, it's like a LED strip. It's a neon strip. And I decided that when I work out, it's behind my Peloton. I want to have like a club environment.

• 5:47Laci Mosley?

  You got a Peloton and goddamn club lights and neon lights. And also it's painted beautifully. There's like, she does these really cool things with like art deco where it's like a square that folds into the wall and a circle.

• 5:58Speaker 06

  Every place in my house has to be selfie ready. So you know what I mean? You come over, I'm going to give you lighting. I'm going to give you color. I'm going to give you dimension and texture. So that when you come over, you have cute selfies to show everyone that, you know, you were hanging out with me.

• 6:15Laci Mosley?

  When, you remember all those museums, like Museum of Ice Cream and all those like influencer places where you just went to take photos?

• 6:22Speaker 06

  That's my apartment. That's my apartment. Like they, I'm going to send a cease and desist to all of those places because how dare they steal my swag?

• 6:33Laci Mosley?

  They can't come back post-COVID because I remember getting into the Museum of Ice Cream's sprinkle pool. And, and throwing the sprinkles in the air and shit. McDonald's retired the ball pit.

• 6:46Speaker 06

  No, no, no. I wasn't gonna be in there pre-COVID. I definitely, yeah, those places are canceled.

• 6:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I was a nasty hoe pre-COVID. I won't lie. I was in the ball pits. I was in the sprinkle pits. Like, yes. And I was like, I could have died. Like, why? Why was I doing this? You know how many kids were sucking on them balls in them ball pits?

• 7:05Speaker 06

  Oh, no, no, no. I mean, look, I, I am, I am very cautious in that way. But like, definitely have hooked up in like a bathroom abroad. Like, I've done some questionable. You know, like, you only live once.

• 7:19Laci Mosley?

  Very gossip girl.

• 7:23Laci Mosley?

  I love that for you.

• 7:24Speaker 06

  So I have no place to judge.

• 7:26Laci Mosley?

  What about fuck that was wild? Ooh.

• 7:31Laci Mosley?

  Mom, skip, skip ahead thirty seconds, mom. Uh, the Cathedral of Learning at the University of Pittsburgh. I went to Pitt.

• 7:39Speaker 06

  You're gonna learn today. Did you say that at some point? Cause you kind, I feel like you have to, right?

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  It was the, I think it's like the thirteenth tallest educational building in the world or something. But they had to call it a cathedral because in Pittsburgh, you couldn't build buildings that were higher than a church. When they built it. So they were like, it's the cathedral. A scam. They was like, of learning, of learning Jesus. You know, y'all know what we mean. And then they built it up. And it's cute. And yeah, I definitely fucked in there on the psychology floor.

• 8:10Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh. I love that for you.

• 8:13Laci Mosley?

  I did. It was my boyfriend, even if it wasn't, who cares?

• 8:17Speaker 06

  You know what? You're a free woman. You can do what you want. You know, like, I'm, I'm not gonna judge you.

• 8:23Laci Mosley?

  And I used to be extra with sex. I didn't know that people would like turn the lights off. I learned that very late in life. And so I just, I don't know.

• 8:32Speaker 06

  I think it's a personal experience for everybody.

• 8:34Laci Mosley?

  I was in there on a handstand. I thought, I was like, this not XX tube?

• 8:42Speaker 06

  You're like, I have not been doing yoga for nothing. Someone's gonna get these fucking moves.

• 8:46Laci Mosley?

  Right? Listen, handstands, back bends. And now I'm like, uh, I just wanna lay on my back, sir. Or ma'am. Pillow princess and always. So, oh goodness, this is a departure.

• 8:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  That's what happens on the show.

• 9:01Speaker 06

  I'm into it.

• 9:02Laci Mosley?

  Francesca, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Or have you been a scammer? We love it all.

• 9:11Speaker 06

  Okay, so I like really thought hard about this. And I was an involuntary scammer at one time. I worked for a telemarketing company.

• 9:19Laci Mosley?

  Involuntary?

• 9:21Speaker 06

  So let me explain. I did telemarketing in college for a company that was scamming people. And I didn't know we were scamming people.

• 9:30Laci Mosley?

  You were working in telemarketing. You didn't know you were scamming people. Like that's the whole point until they call you at dinner. When you vulnerable.

• 9:36Speaker 06

  Okay, look, let me, okay, first of all, in my defense, it was a different time. Okay, 2002.

• 9:42Laci Mosley?

  I was working for a robbery company. I didn't know that they was robbing people like really robbing.

• 9:46Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  We had ski masks.

• 9:48Speaker 06

  Now today, no, no, no, look, I, look, I feel like you should let me defend myself. Today, y'all get stuff from Instagram ads and you know, YouTube and shit. This was an era where a telemarketer might actually call you and sell you something legit. Okay.

• 10:04Laci Mosley?

  You was doing interpersonal scams. You was like, no, we, we feeling people out. We learning who they are. We, we talking.

• 10:10Speaker 06

  In hindsight, I totally should have known. We were selling a product called Septic Helper 2000, which was like something that you poured in your toilet to like help it work better. But then we would be like, oh, it's free. And then you just have to pay for shipping. But then what you don't know is then we will ship it to you every month. And you can't, you can't stop it. Like it will just keep coming to you.

• 10:33Speaker 06

  So we would get a lot of angry phone calls. Like I had been working there a few weeks and then suddenly the phone calls stopped being, you know, you're interrupting me in the middle of dinner. And then the, the phone calls were, fuck you. I've got this septic helper shit all over my house. Like, what do I do? And you know, I was just trying to make the sales and get up on the board and you know.

• 10:52Laci Mosley?

  Not on the board.

• 10:53Speaker 06

  Yes, there was a board, there was a board. There was a board where if you sold, you would go up on the board.

• 11:00Laci Mosley?

  And let me tell you something that I just learned, literally just now about Francesca. Francesca is that student. She, she shows up early. She got here earlier to the Zoom than I did.

• 11:10Speaker 06

  I'm always early.

• 11:11Laci Mosley?

  Literally, I was like, starting the recording and my super engineer Marina Paez was like, Lacey, are you recording? And I was like, no, I'm not. And I was like, oh, my bad. And Francesca goes, I'm recording. I'm recording. She is that girl who's like, oh, Mr. Simon, you forgot to sign the math homework.

• 11:30Speaker 06

  It's totally true. It's totally true. I always tell people, like, I am chronically early. If I'm late, I'm dead in a ditch.

• 11:38Laci Mosley?

  I love this for you because I'm the exact opposite. It gives me anxiety to be on, like, early. Like, I don't like that.

• 11:44Speaker 06

  Lacey, I was the first person at your birthday party and I tried to be late. I tried so hard. I was like,

• 11:50Laci Mosley?

  I was an hour and a half late to my birthday party.

• 11:53Speaker 06

  I'll be there at 3:30 and then like, I was the first bitch walking through the door.

• 11:57Laci Mosley?

  Yo, I literally only came because my assistant was there and she took a video. I was like, put me on FaceTime. I flipped the camera around. And so she took a video. It was people there and I was like, oh damn, my people is there. I got to go. Yeah, put my shoes on. I was like, okay, let me get over there.

• 12:15Speaker 06

  Oh my God. Yes, I'm very early. And so, you know, to that same point, when I was working for this telemarketing company that I in my heart wanted to believe that just wanted to have people take healthy shits. You know, like if they take a shit, they wanted to reach the septic tank in like a reasonable amount of time. That's what I was told, okay? And, and I believed in the goodness of that product. And I wanted to get up on that board. And, and you know, it was, it was a scam.

• 12:44Laci Mosley?

  Francesca belongs on a board. She belongs on billboards. She belongs on the board of the academies.

• 12:51Speaker 06

  Yes, and I have a long ass name. Like, my name should take up as much space on the board as possible. You know, I just, ugh.

• 12:58Laci Mosley?

  The Emmy is everything. She belongs on all the boards.

• 13:01Speaker 06

  Yes, thank you. And then, and then I Did also get scammed in high school. Do you remember that like fake modeling agency Barbizon?

• 13:10Laci Mosley?

  Hell yeah.

• 13:11Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 13:11Laci Mosley?

  I participated in every mall scam that there was.

• 13:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, I got scammed.

• 13:16Laci Mosley?

  My momma told me I couldn't act professionally, but she told me that I could do off acting. I wanted to as long as I had good grades. So honey, I was dragging my momma to the mall every week.

• 13:23Speaker 06

  Yes, I got, I got roped in by Barbizon and then they had a big modeling call in Orlando and my mom and I went and you know, I should have known it was a-

• 13:33Laci Mosley?

  You're very tall and model-esque. Like this is not a reach.

• 13:36Speaker 06

  You know, look, I mean, thank you very much.

• 13:38Laci Mosley?

  I'm five one and I took my ass to Barbizon. I said, what we, what we doing y'all?

• 13:42Speaker 06

  Okay, but here's the thing. I should have known it was a scam because they opened by saying everyone can be a model, which is like, you know, sure, in our hearts, we want to believe everybody's beautiful. We all deserve love, da, da, da, da, da. But in reality, everyone can-

• 13:58Laci Mosley?

  Beautiful to someone.

• 13:58Speaker 06

  Everyone cannot be a model though. That defeats the purpose of models, right? Like there has to be normal people and there has to be models. So then them telling everybody, all of you can be models. That should have set off my alarm bell.

• 14:13Laci Mosley?

  They said, we want everybody's money. Okay?

• 14:15Speaker 06

  Exactly, exactly.

• 14:17Laci Mosley?

  And look, these days, everybody can be models. And, and you know what? What you're saying was true. But what I love that's happening now is like, you're seeing disabled models.

• 14:25Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 14:26Laci Mosley?

  You're seeing full figured models. You're seeing middle people models.

• 14:29Speaker 06

  Well, that's kind of what's cool about social media is to your point, it's like democratizing it. You don't need somebody else to tell you, you can be a model or you are beautiful. You can kind of control your own image and paint your own story and your narrative.

• 14:42Laci Mosley?

  But also like-

• 14:43Speaker 06

  Me in a back room-

• 14:44Laci Mosley?

  Regular people need clothes and most of America don't look like models. So can I see it on the bitch who's a size six or eight? Like, come on now. But at the time, what you were told was a scam. Cause at the time, what you were told, you were a model build.

• 14:59Speaker 06

  I was also in like a busted office building in like Boca Raton. Like you're gonna get discovered as a model. It was not going to be in like a, an office building. You know what I mean? Like it was just nothing about the place said luxurious glamour, fashion success. I mean, like, you know what I mean? Like they were on a month to month lease.

• 15:23Laci Mosley?

  H and R block pop up. Okay.

• 15:24Speaker 06

  Yes, absolutely.

• 15:25Laci Mosley?

  Heard.

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• 17:38Speaker 06

  So yeah, and then to your other question, I mean, I like, I am a very cautious person. So now I think everything could be a scam. Like, I don't want to bully, if it's too good to be true, it's going to be hard for me to get on board. But I think it's also just because I'm, I'm very cautious. Like, I don't, I don't want anything bad to happen to me. So I'm, I'm very avoidant. I'm risk averse.

• 18:04Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. I am risk, I am risk attracted.

• 18:11Laci Mosley?

  And it's a problem because I pride myself in not getting scammed and I get scammed all the time and I am a scammer all the time.

• 18:18Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh.

• 18:19Laci Mosley?

  I live in both sides of the spectrum, but I love this for you. Wait, can you tell me at the, so at the end of this Orlando Barbizon trip, what happened? Did they, you pay for some photos?

• 18:29Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. Not, yeah, I paid, I paid for some photos. I paid for my photos to be in a booklet that casting people were supposed to see. Again, this should have been a red flag. No one is going to cast me from, you know, a pamphlet printed at Kinko's. But that's what we were paying to have my pictures put into. And then nothing happened.

• 18:51Laci Mosley?

  And let me just say this, for the aspiring actors out there, for the aspiring models, casting people have no power. It took me a long time to learn this and I want to share it with you. Don't pay.

• 19:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, don't pay anybody.

• 19:05Laci Mosley?

  Casting people have no power. I had so much time, I, I paid casting directors who low key fucked up my career and my mental because they were just fucking assholes saying anything because they were getting paid for us to stand in front of them and them not to cast us in anything. They have no power.

• 19:25Speaker 06

  They just, they are a filter. They pick through a few people and then give them to producers and then they.

• 19:30Laci Mosley?

  To people who have power.

• 19:31Speaker 06

  And then they ultimately decide. But yeah, that, that is a huge scam. And you always, I remember the Barbizon, I would hear it on the radio where they would say, do you like High School Musical? Do you like That's So Raven? You could be. See in those and of course they're gonna name a bunch of shows that every kid likes.

• 19:48Laci Mosley?

  You know they using you now though, right Francesca? You know they still got them photos of your ass.

• 19:52Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 19:53Laci Mosley?

  And they use them and be like, look at this person who did Barbizon and now she's a star.

• 19:58Speaker 06

  Oh my god, that's so true. I mean thankfully I've had a full blown glow up as a person. So I don't even look like those pictures anymore, but you are probably right. They probably are.

• 20:08Laci Mosley?

  They still got them at the outlet, at the strip mall, right next to Baskin Robbins.

• 20:14Speaker 06

  On foam core and like hung up on a on a wall somewhere. Oh my gosh. Well, if you're listening to this while you're in the waiting room for Barbizon, leave. It's a scam. I've never been there before.

• 20:25Laci Mosley?

  And fast because then people don't, not only they not know what they're doing, a lot of times they bitter because of their station in life. I had a one to tell me for a like a commercial casting agent, which I was like, bitch, what was I doing in New York City? She was like, first of all, they told us, don't wear makeup, come in as a blank canvas.

• 20:45Speaker 06

  No.

• 20:46Laci Mosley?

  Casting people need to imagine who you could be. No casting, like when anybody's casting anything, they looking for the easiest solution.

• 20:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, they want to think you are the character.

• 20:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. You need to come in costume, but you need to come close to it. If you playing a bitch who gonna be working in a diner, don't come in a full diner waitress outfit, but you know, maybe have on a white button down like you're working service. You know, give them a something so that they can put the pieces together. People don't want to imagine. No one is imaginative. Also, she told me when I read the copy, oh, you're so sassy, which is coded language.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  That's, yeah, it's not even code anymore.

• 21:20Laci Mosley?

  That time, right, it's aggressive and people still do it a lot. I've been on press tours for goddamn four months and it happens a lot. And she was like, you know, people don't really need to look for, she thought she was, whoa, this bitch. People don't really need to look for that in black people anymore. Like, you don't have to be sassy anymore. Like, you can just be yourself. I was like, bitch, this is who I am. What this mean? So after that, I tried to be what people thought I needed to be for a couple of years. And I was like, fuck this. And then I started working.

• 21:50Speaker 06

  I mean, I have

• 21:51Laci Mosley?

  See who you are.

• 21:52Speaker 06

  I said, had such an opposite experience as an actress. Um, I mean, and look, our resumes speak for themselves. Lacey stays booked. I am behind the camera because my ass was not

• 22:03Laci Mosley?

  But she also be booking. Can I tell you that I auditioned for that superstore role that you had? And I had friends in the writers' room and they was like, oh, girl, we loved your tape. And then when I saw that Francesca guy, I was like, bitch, yes. Like, I was like, absolutely.

• 22:18Speaker 06

  Okay, well, thank you. I appreciate you saying that.

• 22:21Laci Mosley?

  For some damn wrongs, sis. You have to be me for some wrongs.

• 22:23Speaker 06

  You know what? I needed that and I'm going to take and receive. But I had in many auditions, I, I would do some amount of voiceover and I would often go and, you know, it'd be a McDonald's commercial so they, and it would be for urban radio. So they would only call a bunch of black girls and then it would be me. And so then I would go into the booth and I'd be like, ba-da-ba-ba-ba. I'm loving, like, I would just be myself, my super suburban Florida self.

• 22:51Laci Mosley?

  So, um, we're gonna stop you, Francesca. We're gonna stop you. Um, love your energy. Love your energy. Love your magic, your black girl magic. Um, this time, can you give us more like, you just saw your cousin Ronnie get shot in a street fight.

• 23:07Speaker 06

  And you also have five kids and they're all running around. They all have different dads.

• 23:10Laci Mosley?

  And they're hungry. And you, and, and, and every week you tell them that they don't have McDonald's money. But because your cousin Ronnie got shot, it's a special day. And so you're gonna take them to McDonald's and get all five kids money or food off the dollar menu. So like, give us that energy and let's run it back. Let's run it back, okay? And remember, the lines are, sis, I love me some McDonald's. And when times is hard, McDonald's is there. Can you say that? When times is hard, McDonald's is there. Francesca, go ahead.

• 23:40Speaker 06

  When times is hard, McDonald's is there.

• 23:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that was great, but.

• 23:45Speaker 06

  I'm not booking. I'm not booking. I'm not booking that job. So yes, I got a lot of directions to be sassier. And I just, you know, it never felt comfortable for me. It just didn't sound like me. And I didn't want to do like an impression of what I think they want to hear. So yeah, that's why. That's why it didn't happen for me.

• 24:09Laci Mosley?

  And I get that. And look, I never booked a McDonald's commercial either, although I love McDonald's and all their food. I think they sponsor this show.

• 24:15Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:16Laci Mosley?

  So yes, scams all around. Okay. You know, you told me Francesca that you're very tepid about scams. You're very tepid about doing anything that's risky, which brings us into our listener letter because I think that you're going to really resonate with our good Judy here. Guys, what's hot and fraud, our first segment, we warn listeners about what's popping in the streets with scams. And more often than not, these days, we get a listener letter from you guys. As always, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, [email protected]. Just make sure that the scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Okay. So if you got the scam retired snitch, we love to see it. So Francesca, I need a fake name for this scammer. We don't care about gender on this podcast.

• 24:59Speaker 06

  Clarice.

• 24:59Laci Mosley?

  Or life. Clarice. I love Clarice. What movie is make, what movie is like?

• 25:04Speaker 06

  It's Silence of the Lambs, like.

• 25:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 25:07Speaker 06

  Clarice.

• 25:08Laci Mosley?

  They shot that in Pittsburgh, uh, which is where I went to college. And that was like a big thing when I gave campus tours. I'd be like, they shot Silence of the Lambs here. Clarice says, hey, girl, are we familiar? Okay, Clarice, my name is Clarice. I'm not using your real name, sis. I see what you wrote. And I love listening to your podcast. I'm a welder. A welder. Okay. This different?

• 25:30Speaker 06

  A welder.

• 25:31Laci Mosley?

  And I will say that this woman Clarice does identify as female and a welder who identifies as female is.

• 25:39Speaker 06

  Very hot. Like, I hope she wears a jumpsuit to work.

• 25:43Laci Mosley?

  I hope that she's just wearing like some suspender, like some suspenders and no shirt.

• 25:49Speaker 06

  Ooh, yeah. And she's got like gloves on.

• 25:51Laci Mosley?

  And a hard hat.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  A hard hat with a little light on it.

• 25:54Laci Mosley?

  Oily. I'm sorry. I'm very horny apparently. But Clarice is a welder and we love this for you, honey. She says, I work 10 hour shifts from 2 a.m. to 12 30. Why I gotta weld at night?

• 26:07Speaker 06

  Oh, that's weird.

• 26:08Laci Mosley?

  Y'all can't weld in the daytimes in Phoenix, Arizona. And binging your podcast really helps my shift fly by, so thank you. Oh, you know, I'll be reading the nice shit, but Clarice, I fucks with you, especially because you welding at night, looking all fine.

• 26:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's probably because it's so hot in Arizona during the day. They probably need the sun to be down. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, protective gear.

• 26:30Laci Mosley?

  Okay, makes sense. So I'm sure everyone has heard of the phone call scams where the IRS in quotes calls you and tells you that you committed fraud on your tax returns and that they've sent the police to your location to arrest you. Yes, we've talked about it a lot on the show. And when the police come to arrest you.

• 26:47Speaker 06

  They're definitely not letting you know.

• 26:49Laci Mosley?

  They ain't gonna let you know. Okay. She says, oh yeah, you know, you've heard of these scams, the pop up pull up, da, da, da, da. I used to get those all the time. Normally I would just hang up, but one day my ass was bored. So how was you bored? You be welding from nighttime to dawn, okay? I decided I was gonna play a game with them. I decided to go along with it. I gave them a fake address and social security number, which they claim matched the info they had on file for me.

• 27:15Speaker 06

  Always, always.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, if anybody call you, I told y'all this.

• 27:21Speaker 06

  Do not give your social security number to anyone.

• 27:24Laci Mosley?

  Has your information and they do need to verify. So like when you call your bank, when you call niggas who got your information, they will treat you like a girlfriend that you've cheated on 12 times and you got four babies by. And they will be like, okay, so what street you live on? Okay, are you a robot? Click these four, which is the traffic lights, bitch. Okay, okay, you survived that. Okay, anyways, uh, what's your mama cousin maiden name? When did your grandmama die and what funeral plot is she buried in? So she done gave the fake social security number. They done told her, like, you going to jail, sis. We coming right now. Wee, oh, wee, oh, wee, oh, you hear that? That's outside, not on the phone. That's actually us.

• 28:08Laci Mosley?

  So she said the whole time, I acted scared and worked up like I was afraid to go to jail.

• 28:14Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 28:15Laci Mosley?

  They told me that I could repay the money that I was overpaid on my tax return by going to Walmart.

• 28:21Speaker 06

  Oh no. And like getting them gift cards or something?

• 28:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you know where this is going.

• 28:27Speaker 06

  God.

• 28:27Laci Mosley?

  And our fans know, congregation knows where this is going. If you are a good Judy of the congregation, you've been in church long enough to know where this is going. I chose this because y'all are starting to become aficionados of scams.

• 28:41Speaker 06

  I love that Clarice is scamming the scammers back.

• 28:44Laci Mosley?

  And I love it. That's why I chose this because like I'm starting to see a lot of letters that are like, sis, I listen to the podcast. So I had a scammer come and try to play me and I toyed with them the whole time and then I told them it was a scam. And I was like, I love this empowerment.

• 28:59Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  And also the pettiness of not just getting off the phone and hanging up, which we've talked about.

• 29:06Speaker 06

  Waste a scammer's time. Keep them away from like the elderly lady who's actually gonna get scammed by them.

• 29:12Laci Mosley?

  Phone calls are the best scams because all you have to do is hang up. You should never get scammed via phone. I understand when somebody's in front of you, charismatic, lying, doing lots of hand gestures, maybe sexy.

• 29:25Speaker 06

  But what if you actually did fuck up on your taxes? Like those are the people I think that are most susceptible.

• 29:32Laci Mosley?

  Like Clarissa says, oh well, with the well emoji.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  But I'm just saying, those are the people who when that phone call comes, they might think it's real.

• 29:40Laci Mosley?

  But that ain't how taxes work, honey.

• 29:42Speaker 06

  I agree, but if they haven't paid them, they don't know.

• 29:44Laci Mosley?

  Out of Lauryn Hill's book, okay? The IRS will send you mail. They will. They'll send you ominous menacing mail and be like, urgent, urgent. I'm sorry, if you put it in the mail, it ain't that urgent. If you got, if my house is on fire, ain't nobody gonna mail me a letter being like, bitch, your house on fire. Not that urgent. Okay? But they'll come pick your ass up if they need to pick your ass up. Okay? Look, Lauryn didn't wanna go to jail for not paying Uncle Sam, which I think is still a scam. They found her ass. And knowing Lauryn, she laid as hell everywhere, so they had to really look for her. Okay? They were like, oh, she's supposed to be at this concert. We gonna get her today. And they was like, nah, Noah Lawrence, she probably three states away. Like, we gotta really look, okay?

• 30:27Speaker 06

  So, they told her to go to Walmart, Wally World.

• 30:30Laci Mosley?

  To get iTunes gift cards, iTunes.

• 30:33Speaker 06

  No, you're not gonna pay your IRS bill in iTunes. Like, come on.

• 30:39Laci Mosley?

  Uncle Sam loves a good bop, okay?

• 30:41Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 30:42Laci Mosley?

  He loves a bop.

• 30:44Speaker 06

  That's so funny.

• 30:45Laci Mosley?

  I told them I had to go wake my baby up because I was a single mother with no one to watch her and take her with me. I don't have any kids, by the way. Not you creating a backstory. Listen, listen Clarissa, Clarice. You're giving us so much, and I love it. The man said he would wait on the phone with me while I did that. I took them on a huge adventure, telling them things like, oh my god, my baby pooped in her diaper, I have to change her first. And there was poop everywhere, so much poop. And I started asking him for parenting advice.

• 31:13Speaker 06

  Oh no.

• 31:14Laci Mosley?

  Told him I had to give my baby a quick bath. I came up with so many obstacles that I had to do before I left, and he just stayed on the phone talking to me. Finally.

• 31:25Speaker 06

  He was trying to get his name on the board, Lacy.

• 31:28Laci Mosley?

  He was. He was like you, he was an A1 scammer. He was like, listen, I'ma get this sale. She's on board, she's talking to me about her baby.

• 31:38Speaker 06

  She's making me work for it.

• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  I'ma get these iTunes gift cards, okay? Fuck this woman and her baby, I'ma get on the board, okay? And look, for Jessica didn't know she was scamming, but she was trying to get on the board.

• 31:49Speaker 06

  No, I didn't.

• 31:50Laci Mosley?

  And follows rules. And I appreciate that because I am the opposite. Rules are for other people, so that I can do what I want.

• 31:59Laci Mosley?

  So, she's taking him on this journey, all these obstacles. Finally, after a while, I told him I was driving to the store. I said I lived in a small town, and the closest Walmart was a good drive away, so it would take me a bit to get there. After probably thirty minutes of driving, in quotes, I was playing dumb with the whole gift card thing. I started asking him if he only wanted the iTunes gift cards, or if he wanted a variety of different kinds. Told him I could get him some Applebee's ones.

• 32:24Speaker 06

  Ooh, throw a chili. No, listen, I'm a Chili's girl. Throw a Chili's in there.

• 32:29Laci Mosley?

  Baby back ribs.

• 32:30Speaker 06

  Yes, a fajita moment.

• 32:32Laci Mosley?

  Um, yeah, so she was like, oh, I can get you Xbox Lives ones, like, whatever you want. At this point, I could tell he started to get frustrated with me. He told me to buy three thousand dollars worth of iTunes gift cards with. $1,500 on two separate ones to give him the numbers. Because that's what they do. They'd be like, oh, buy the gift card and then turn it over and tell us the digits on the back.

• 32:53Speaker 06

  So you don't have to send it to them?

• 32:55Laci Mosley?

  Now, this scammer is dumb. And that's why he stayed on the phone so long, because he was wasting his precious time. He could have been robbing other people.

• 33:02Speaker 06

  Here's what I don't understand. Can you, can you turn those iTunes gift cards into money? Like, I just don't understand. Like, what does he? Okay, so you can cash them out?

• 33:11Laci Mosley?

  There's ways.

• 33:12Speaker 06

  I had no idea.

• 33:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Anytime you get a gift card, there's ways, especially as long as you have the numbers on the gift card. You don't need the physical card to do things, to purchase things, to do what you need to do. You know, he could have used that iTunes gift card to purchase things in the store and then return them. Like, there's a lot of ways to get the money back. However, this scam is stupid because no, the IRS would never tell you to buy iTunes gift cards. Like, they wildin'. Like, this is dumb.

• 33:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're like trying to buy, like, Normani single in bulk and then return it? Like, I'm so confused.

• 33:42Laci Mosley?

  You ain't gonna return Wild Side, even if you wanted to. It's a bop, you know?

• 33:46Speaker 06

  Seriously.

• 33:48Laci Mosley?

  They're like, you listened to half of it, you can't return it.

• 33:52Laci Mosley?

  But the best version of this scam is, oh, do you want to work from home? Do you want to be a secret shopper? Do you want to do da-da-da-da? And then, oh, we mail you a fake check, you deposit it, it bounces, like, after a week. But in that meantime, you spend the fake check money on buying gift cards and then shopping in stores or giving them the codes on the back. That's the best version of the scam. The best version of this scam is not tax fraud. Like, this is stupid. So, this man is dumb, that's why he stayed on the phone so long. And, you know, shout out to dumb people. We can't all be smart.

• 34:25Speaker 06

  There's all kinds.

• 34:26Laci Mosley?

  After the driving, the playing dumb, this guy's getting frustrated. I Google pictures of the cards and read off some random ass numbers. He ends the call, and I'm finally thinking he just, you know, realized this is dumb. She was on the phone with him for two hours and 20 minutes.

• 34:42Speaker 06

  No.

• 34:42Laci Mosley?

  Laughing her ass off. Wow, this is a great email. Clarice, we're fans.

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• 37:01Laci Mosley?

  And we're back for my favorite segment of the podcast, Historic Hood Wings. This is where I will regale Francesco with a famous con caper group of criminals, single criminal, we don't know. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. So let's see what we're dealing with today. We got Dr. Loken Tantuaya. He's a San Diego spinal surgeon now at the center of the most notorious healthcare fraud cases in California's history. Not California, that's where I live. He's been accused of medical malpractice and fraud, yet continues to be a practicing surgeon today.

• 37:38Speaker 06

  Wait, wait, he's practicing right now?

• 37:40Laci Mosley?

  He practicing right now.

• 37:41Speaker 06

  You know he is, he has to be.

• 37:43Laci Mosley?

  He cutting on niggas right now. Oh my God, he's not white.

• 37:45Speaker 06

  He's not, he's giving me Disney prints.

• 37:49Laci Mosley?

  I guess we should have known by his name. Yeah, he's, he's actually very attractive. You know, we'll put the photos on the Instagram.

• 37:55Speaker 06

  Oh shit.

• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  He got great hair.

• 37:57Speaker 06

  This is how he scams people. This is how he scams people.

• 37:59Laci Mosley?

  He must be charismatic. And he got good eyebrows too, god damn.

• 38:03Speaker 06

  Wow, wow.

• 38:04Laci Mosley?

  He got them Zendaya brows, god damn. And he got eyes that just see you. Oh, he looking at me too hard, get the picture away. He, I'm about to go get surgery from him.

• 38:15Speaker 06

  This is a dangerous man. I can tell he's dangerous.

• 38:19Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God. So guys, I will give you a trigger warning, um, up top. The story contains examples of domestic violence, graphic surgical malpractice. So take care of yourselves while listening to this. If you have triggers for that, maybe just listen to the first 40 minutes of the podcast and the last. But let's get into Pacific Hospital, where this nigga work. The former owner of Long Beach's Pacific Hospital is a man named Michael D. Drobot. I have a problem immediately. Okay, so Michael, Michael looks like, we look at him, a Marvel villain.

• 38:55Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, this is a bad man.

• 38:57Laci Mosley?

  Actually, not even a Marvel villain, because Marvel villains be sexy.

• 39:01Laci Mosley?

  You're right, you're right. He is giving Lord of the Rings.

• 39:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's giving me Gollum.

• 39:05Laci Mosley?

  He's giving me The Precious, and The Precious is the hospital. Why can people own hospitals? In 2014, Drobot, why is his last name Drobot? That is a villain name.

• 39:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:17Laci Mosley?

  Was charged by the FBI with conspiracy and paying illegal kickbacks. Part of his scheme included orchestrating a nearly $1 billion healthcare fraud in which he inflated the cost of metal hardware used in spinal surgeries. Wow.

• 39:31Speaker 06

  Oh no, he's working on people's backs.

• 39:34Laci Mosley?

  And you know, everybody got a back problem.

• 39:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, but also the back is a sort of thing that like, once your back is fucked, like it's over, like it's, you're, you're done.

• 39:43Laci Mosley?

  Like Kaya said, my neck, my back, my pussy and my crack, those are vital, they're vital. And so when they're fucked, they're fucked, okay?

• 39:52Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 39:53Laci Mosley?

  No, this is, oh lord.

• 39:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is going in bad direction.

• 39:56Laci Mosley?

  Also, I don't like this because if he's inflating the cost of these surgeries, he's found his in. A lot of times when we've done scam stories about doctors who found their in, they'll also push some shit on you that you don't need.

• 40:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're gonna upsell you.

• 40:09Laci Mosley?

  Upsell. I didn't realize, we all know as a doctor, honey, get third and fourth and fifth opinions, especially if you are a person of color or you are plus size.

• 40:17Speaker 06

  People will get overwhelmed, and what's really wild is, look, we saw the Serena Williams documentary. You saw how the doctors wouldn't listen to her. If they won't listen to her rich ass, right? Then like, we go in there and we're just like a regular, degular person. These, you have to be so, so careful.

• 40:32Laci Mosley?

  Beyonce almost died having her twins too, just like Serena.

• 40:36Speaker 06

  Like, can you?

• 40:37Laci Mosley?

  Can you imagine killing Beyonce?

• 40:39Speaker 06

  Can you imagine not listening to Beyonce? Like, I, like, it just makes no sense. Like racism has truly infected your brain, so much so that you won't even listen to Beyonce.

• 40:53Laci Mosley?

  And it has permeated the medical industry.

• 40:56Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  And it always has. Doctors are told in school to profile.

• 41:02Speaker 06

  That we, oh, and that we have a higher tolerance for pain. We're often told, like, you can't get, you know, uh, pain medication.

• 41:09Laci Mosley?

  They won't give us hydrocode. They won't get a, they won't give us the drugs that they freely give out to the desperate housewives and the housewife franchises to sip with their Xanax and their Chardonnay. They won't give it to us for life threatening issues and like people don't listen to us. So when you go to doctors, you have to be head on a swivel. I would recommend bringing an advocate, like a friend who's very mouthy, if you're not mouthy, so that someone's there. And if you are having a baby, get a doula. And if you want to still have a baby in the hospital, still get a fucking doula because they do crazy ass shit. My friend told me that a lot of doctors will rip out the placenta after you have the baby.

• 41:52Laci Mosley?

  So they could get to the next surgery and for black women, that makes you bleed to death. So you let the placenta fall out the coochie like it's supposed to fall out and we are on tangents, but we gotta drop these gems. Anyway, so this nigga is a scammer and I don't approve of this already because in the healthcare industry like.

• 42:09Speaker 06

  No, you're fucking with people's lives.

• 42:11Laci Mosley?

  Healthcare is already a scam. Like if you call your hospital where you get surgery or if you have an ambulance ride or anything and you haggle with them, they will give you a lower price. If you haggle with them before insurance, because they, when you go to the hospital, they charge you for random ass shit you ain't even used. So healthcare is already a scam. So if you scamming on top of a scam, I don't approve. Like you already in a scam industry. Bullshit. So additionally, he paid out more than a fifty million dollars in bribes to drive doctors to perform surgeries. We said it, we said it at his hospital. So remember this, it's important later, guys. Jo- Drobot profited millions off of this and he was pushing people to perform these surgeries. So hold on to that, y'all.

• 42:55Laci Mosley?

  That same year, he was also sued for using counterfeit hardware in those surgeries. Counterfeit.

• 43:00Speaker 06

  So you're getting bootleg AliExpress.

• 43:06Speaker 06

  You know, like, like, where are you getting your instruments from? This is, this is bad.

• 43:11Laci Mosley?

  He, he layaway in goddamn surgery stuff on corner. Like, what's going on?

• 43:16Speaker 06

  God. Oh, my God, this is terrible.

• 43:20Laci Mosley?

  No, look, if you were in Mexico or the Dominican Republic where people expect to get discount BBLs and surgery.

• 43:27Speaker 06

  Don't do that.

• 43:28Laci Mosley?

  Maybe then you could get your shit off Amazon.

• 43:31Speaker 06

  In Long Beach, California, this dude is cutting corners?

• 43:35Laci Mosley?

  Bruh.

• 43:35Speaker 06

  Cutting people open and cutting corners, it's just, I'm not here for it.

• 43:39Laci Mosley?

  He cutting everything. So in 2019, goddamn, this is recent, the already imprisoned Drobot pled guilty to illegally selling his luxury cars and keeping the proceeds for himself, which disobeyed the court order of his previous commission. So when he was in jail, he was still selling shit and getting coins.

• 43:58Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 43:59Laci Mosley?

  His book stayed paid up. Okay, this is some context to his other crimes. So, so we were talking about Drobot, right?

• 44:07Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  The center of this is Tatwaya, right? Dr. Tatwaya, right? Dr. Tatwaya is still out of jail and is still practicing medicine.

• 44:17Speaker 06

  No.

• 44:18Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, practicing, like, he practicing, he's not.

• 44:21Speaker 06

  Give me this man's address, I'm gonna order a TaskRabbit and have them just stand outside with a sign.

• 44:26Laci Mosley?

  Cause, bruh.

• 44:27Speaker 06

  If this guy, if this guy's still practicing, people need to know.

• 44:31Laci Mosley?

  And I've talked about this on this podcast, if you are a hater, get a hater job and direct your hater energies towards something that's a force of good in the world. Boycott this nigga, like, boycott this kinda shit. Back to the doctor who we started talking about. So we were talking about Drobot, the evil nigga who's in jail, right? He was the one who owned the hospital in Long Beach. We're now going back to the actual doctor that we're talking about. So, his current legal problems lay at the center of Drobot's Pacific Hospital in Long Beach, California. However, his rap sheet goes back a bit further. In 2014, he was arrested and pleaded guilty to attempting to dissuade a witness from reporting a crime and child endangerment. He had pinned his wife against the wall in front of their children and told them, you kids leave.

• 45:15Laci Mosley?

  I'm going to kill your mother tonight. I told you guys, there's gonna be some domestic violence stuff. So this doc- this doctor, and like, look, when you go to medical school, when you do all this shit.

• 45:26Speaker 06

  To do no harm. That's like the first thing you do.

• 45:29Laci Mosley?

  When you get a profession like this, unfortunately, because of the stigmas that American society has and many societies have, your station purports who you are. So if you're a doctor or you're a celebrity, you can't be this talented and this brilliant in one area and also be a harmful.

• 45:50Speaker 06

  We saw the guy's picture and we were like, oh my god, he's good looking. I'm sure and versus a guy named Drobot, which already sounds like a fucking transformer. And then the man looks like Gollum. So we automatically were like, uh-uh, not going to him. And he's in jail. And then look at this guy. He's like charming looking. He's got good hair and eyebrows going on.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  He looks like a Disney prince.

• 46:13Speaker 06

  He looks like a Disney prince and that's, and then he's a doctor. So the person that you're supposed to trust. And then lo and behold, he's a fucking abuser and a scammer. And it also just goes to show you that you can't judge a book by its cover because somebody being good looking doesn't mean that they're trustworthy or that they're a good person.

• 46:31Laci Mosley?

  There's billions of people in the world and we all need to detach from the celebrity, the good lookingness. Like, looks fade, celebrity fades, we all die. So there's people coming up behind these people who are just as talented and just as good looking, who might actually be good people and we need to invest in the future and not what's already been. We don't have to hitch our wagon to bad people. So he did this horrible thing, told his kids that he was gonna kill their mother. God, God bless his children. What, when one of his daughters threatened to call nine one one, he grabbed her by the hair and threw her to the ground and she called anyway.

• 47:14Speaker 06

  I'm canceling the task, grab it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go after this guy myself.

• 47:17Laci Mosley?

  Literally, let's get the signs, girl. I got markers.

• 47:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, he's done.

• 47:22Laci Mosley?

  He's a bad man. The board reviewed his license, stayed that action and put him on three years probation, which allowed him to keep practicing.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  Wow, three years probation?

• 47:33Speaker 06

  Just give him all, just give him all the leeway.

• 47:36Laci Mosley?

  If you want to kill your family, you should not be a goddamn doctor because you don't care about life.

• 47:43Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no. You shouldn't even be like a podiatrist. Like, I don't want you anywhere near anyone else's body.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  You don't care about your babies? Are you cutting on me? That mean anything could go left, you don't care? What? No. So, no, the term stayed is a procedure that the board uses, which gives them more time to review a case, but gives the doctor an ability to continue practicing. So when they stayed the judgment, they basically put it on hold. He's got influence. And obviously, if he was working for that scammer, Drobot, he probably got coin and he could probably pay some people off. So, his malpractice, as Drobot was dealing with mounting charges of federal criminal investigations that year, Tantuaya was also involved in a medical malpractice suit in addition to his 2014 arrest. In 2011, he operated on a San Diego truck driver, Tammy Martinez, then 52, who had hurt her back on the job.

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  The attorney handling Martinez's workers' comp claims steered her towards this man as she was in danger of having her compensation soon run out. So, obviously, a scammer. We're looking at this woman right now. She, um, is, uh, missing a leg.

• 48:49Speaker 06

  Looks like she's trying to do some sort of exercise on one of those like rowing machines.

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  Probably rehab. And she looks like a very determined person. Truck drivers have to have like the most patience. You driving all the time, all you looking at is roads.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  And you're sitting that whole time. It's really bad for your back.

• 49:05Laci Mosley?

  Really bad for your back and your body to just be sitting constantly. But this woman is working out. She was hardworking. Like, she looks like she's very intensely trying to get her life where she wants it to be. Her workers' comp is about to run out because America. So, she was in what we call the despometer, high desperation to try to get this surgery done, which makes sense. So, though she lived in San Diego, the doctor, Tantuaya, insisted the surgery take place at Pacific Hospital in Long Beach, the scam hospital. Now, she lives in San Diego. They are good hospitals.

• 49:40Speaker 06

  That's like three hours difference, right? That's far away.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  It's like four hours, four, five. And if you include traffic, six.

• 49:48Speaker 06

  Wow. That's a long journey.

• 49:50Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. Martinez found it odd that he wanted to perform the surgery so far away. But what was more odd was the owner of the hospital insisted on sending a van to pick her up and drop her off, paying for a hotel room and taking care of all her meals. Okay, look, we always say ain't no such thing as a free lunch and ain't no such thing as a free surgery and getting flued out for surgery.

• 50:14Speaker 06

  Oh, God. And you know what's sad is to your point about, you know, our healthcare system being broken, this woman was clearly at her wits end. She needed this, so she's like, you know what, I'm just gonna go along with it because I need this surgery, I need to get better.

• 50:30Laci Mosley?

  Which is such bullshit. Not her wanting it, but bullshit that she had to go through this much.

• 50:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, taking, taking advantage of people who are already in, you know, disenfranchised positions and really need help. Those are the people who are most susceptible to these scams.

• 50:45Laci Mosley?

  So during the surgery on Martinez's back, neither Tansawaya or his assistant realized circulation had been cut off to her left leg.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  Oh my God.

• 50:53Laci Mosley?

  So when we saw that photo of her, it's post-surgery, it wasn't until a staff member mentioned the foot looked lifeless and gray that they realized and it was too late.

• 51:07Speaker 06

  Wow, wow.

• 51:08Laci Mosley?

  The surgeons went to botch on an emergency thrombectomy, a procedure looking for blood clots or other blockages in her arteries and veins. Unfortunately, they did not have the proper equipment. Nine days after the surgery-

• 51:21Speaker 06

  So they made her go all the way to Long Beach and then they didn't have the shit that they needed?

• 51:27Laci Mosley?

  Mm-mm. And they flew her out for this bullshit.

• 51:30Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 51:31Laci Mosley?

  Because he wanted that back money.

• 51:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:34Laci Mosley?

  That, that evil doctor, Dr. Drobot, wanted the back money, so he flew her out to the hospital where he knew he could get it and didn't have the adequate equipment to actually take care of her fucking back. And if something went wrong, take care of her leg. Nine days after surgery, Martinez was forced to drive back to the ER where doctors determined that her leg was gangrenous and had to be amputated. And we saw in that photo where she was rehabilitating that she had had an amputated leg.

• 52:00Speaker 06

  She had it for nine days after that and it was-

• 52:02Laci Mosley?

  She could have died.

• 52:04Speaker 06

  Oh my God.

• 52:05Laci Mosley?

  This nigga is, these, all these niggas are terrible. So gangrene, if you don't know, is the death of body tissue due to lack of blood flow or serious bacterial infection. Martinez says, "It took my job away. I've always had to work for minimum wage because I've always been on welfare and then I finally had a frickin' good job that I could do and support my kids." Fuck.

• 52:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry, y'all. I know we try to do fun scams, but this shit is just fucking evil.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  Well, you know what? I'm glad that we're doing the story because clearly this man needs to be exposed. If this shit happened in 2019, he should not be walking around.

• 52:39Laci Mosley?

  At all. Under the jail. And I think the carceral systems are fucking bullshit, but sometimes I'm like, "Put the nigga under the jail." Like, this is ridiculous.

• 52:51Speaker 06

  Well, at the very least, like, she needs to get some sort of, like, hefty financial compensation because at the end of the day, you're right, the carceral system is very broken and putting him under the jail does not reverse the harm that he did. Like, we need to put money in this woman's pocket because she's lost her job, she's not able to provide for her kids, and it's all because this dude wanted to be greedy and fuck with her life and her livelihood.

• 53:14Laci Mosley?

  So, the doctor settled for $500,000 and he probably has, he has to have insurance for how reckless he is.

• 53:22Speaker 06

  I hope that money goes to her. I mean, it's, again, it's not gonna bring, it's not going to bring her leg back.

• 53:27Laci Mosley?

  And $500,000 is not enough. You fuck this woman's life up. Now, as an amputee, she can still have a full life or a pity. Plenty of paraplegic people who live full, exciting lives.

• 53:40Speaker 06

  But the pain and suffering.

• 53:41Laci Mosley?

  The pain and suffering that you did to her, the harm you caused, 500 ain't enough. He blamed the other surgeon for this. The medical board has taken no disciplinary action against him in relation to this case. What is this medical board? Because also, I'm about to drag y'all niggas too. You stayed, you stayed his fucking, you know, sentence.

• 54:03Speaker 06

  He shouldn't have been practicing. As soon as that thing with his wife and kids happened... He shouldn't have been.

• 54:07Laci Mosley?

  Not have been practicing.

• 54:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, they absolutely should be liable.

• 54:10Laci Mosley?

  Believer of the Marie Antoinette policy. If you work in government, you should know that there's a guillotine outside if you fucking up. So Martinez's lawyer was later jailed for taking kickbacks from hospital owners.

• 54:27Speaker 06

  Whoa, this dude is like the mob. He basically is paying everybody off.

• 54:33Laci Mosley?

  Everybody in his pocket. Oh, you know, they said they made millions, millions of dollars and he is.

• 54:39Speaker 06

  Oh my god, could you imagine you went through all of that shit and then your lawyer scammed you?

• 54:44Laci Mosley?

  He doing the Oprah Winfrey. You get a bribe, you get a bribe, you get a bribe. Oh my god, look under your seat. Dr. Tatluwai is giving you a bribe?

• 54:53Speaker 06

  Holy shit.

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  Is he bribing me? He not bribing me yet.

• 54:57Laci Mosley?

  I won't take the bribe, I swear. Um, god damn. So in 2019, the board ruled that Tatluwai had been grossly negligent for failing to provide pain medication to a patient after surgery.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 55:09Laci Mosley?

  I bet you that was a person of color. But also like, that's where y'all draw the line? That he didn't give somebody hydrocodone? Y'all didn't draw it at him throwing his daughter, at him threatening to kill his wife in front of his children? You didn't draw it at him having somebody flewed out to get a black surgery at a hospital that didn't have the proper equipment to take care of something. If things went awry, you drew it at pain? Like, and, and what I will say about this is it does feel like when Denzel Washington got the Oscar in Training Day. When they were like, we owe you an Oscar.

• 55:42Speaker 06

  Yes, you really needed this for earlier in your career.

• 55:45Laci Mosley?

  Whoopi Goldberg got the Oscar for Ghost, when she should have got it for The Color Purple. They're like, we owe you an Oscar. They were like, we owe you a disbarment. We owe you a disbarment, so here you go, sis. Here's your disbarment, because we fucked up a lot. They also ruled that he was dishonest during his board investigation, creating post-dating records for the patient's file in an apparent attempt to cover his tracks. The doctor.

• 56:11Speaker 06

  Forging documents?

• 56:13Laci Mosley?

  He was on Photoshop. He's a scammer. He was, he was cooking it up like it was stir fried. Tatooia spent 15 days in jail after he was convicted of violating a protective order granted to his wife. So he's still harassing his fucking wife. Piece of shit. I hate when people who are bad are cute because it gets them way too far.

• 56:34Speaker 06

  But that is exactly how he's gotten this far. And it just goes to show you that he is a manipulator and a scammer through and through from the jump.

• 56:43Laci Mosley?

  And also like you're already a doctor. You're making coins. You're doing Amazon discount back surgeries. You couldn't just stop there?

• 56:53Speaker 06

  No.

• 56:54Laci Mosley?

  You had to continue to do harm?

• 56:56Speaker 06

  But also what's wild to me about these types of scammers is like, okay, a scam is a scam. If you're gonna like steal money from people, this dude went to medical school. Like he spent years learning and studying and showing up on time and doing his residency and doing his boards. And he, he did all of these things to finish all of that work and then say, now I want to scam people? Like that is a true, like another level of psychopathy.

• 57:22Laci Mosley?

  He's a genius and a sociopath and that happens a lot. And we have to acknowledge that you can be a genius and a sociopath. You can be someone who has brilliant things to contribute to the world and also be a nightmare to the human race. And we can't value one over the other. And because we live in America, we value productivity. We value genius.

• 57:48Speaker 06

  Well, we also want it black and white. We also want to say someone is all good or all bad.

• 57:53Laci Mosley?

  And that's not how it works.

• 57:55Speaker 06

  It's just not like that.

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so when he spent these 15 days, because he violated the protective order against his wife, he failed to alert the medical board of this, failed to alert. This language is still like failed to alert. He didn't tell them because he was doing crime and you don't tell people about the crime you're doing. So they revoked his license and stayed the revocation and put him on a two-year revocation. So they revoked his license.

• 58:23Speaker 06

  They're just like not giving him any consequences at every turn.

• 58:26Laci Mosley?

  Then they were like, okay, girl, you can't practice medicine cuz like you did lots of crimes and people lost their legs and they died or whatever. And you was harassing your wife who you already was harassing and she had said, don't harass her no more. And the court said, okay, we gonna revoke your license or whatever, but we gonna stay it for two years. So you can like cook on niggas for two years. What?

• 58:46Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 58:47Laci Mosley?

  Months later, the board once again revoked the license and stayed the revocation and put him on a four-year probation for continued violations. He's paying off the board and the board should be investigated and all them niggas need to be in jail as well because this is too many stays. Why, why, why are there so many stays?

• 59:06Speaker 06

  I, I mean, it's just one of those things where like you're dealing with people's lives. It should be one fuck up and you're done. Do you know what I mean? Like it's, it's, you know, it's different if you are like working the cash register at a, at a, you know, a shopping mart and sometimes you're a little over or you're a little under, whatever. You get a few times. It's okay, but you kill someone, you.

• 59:28Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, you don't get a few times. If you're under on your register.

• 59:32Speaker 06

  You're fired.

• 59:33Laci Mosley?

  You're fired. And there was a time I, when I was working registers where I was under and I counted my money. And you know what I did? I pulled some tips out of my fucking pocket and put it in the register because I didn't want to be fired.

• 59:45Speaker 06

  So basically the standard is.

• 59:47Laci Mosley?

  Lives in his hands.

• 59:48Speaker 06

  So that, so you're, so the standard is higher for the person working the cash register at a store than it is for someone doing potentially life-threatening surgery on people. I mean, it's just.

• 1:00:02Laci Mosley?

  Ridiculous.

• 1:00:03Speaker 06

  It's heartbreaking. It's infuriating, especially when this woman, these people then get scammed by like the legal system trying to fix the problem.

• 1:00:11Laci Mosley?

  Her lawyer scammed her. The fuck? This is a scam inception. Everybody's getting scammed. God damn, am I getting scammed? So the board spokesman, Carlos Vitorio, said that coming down on a doctor too hard can lead to costly litigation.

• 1:00:25Speaker 06

  Wow. Yeah, I mean, look, at least he said the quiet part out loud. He said, he said it out loud, so I guess.

• 1:00:32Laci Mosley?

  And he's the board spokesman, and he was like, we don't have the coins for this litigation. And that's why this probably also worked, because Long Beach is a small town in California.

• 1:00:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:42Laci Mosley?

  It's not a big town, so these people are probably small-town folks who don't want to deal with the coins of litigation.

• 1:00:50Speaker 06

  It's also wild to be like, hey, I know you did all these bad things, but I'm not gonna do anything because you might sue me for giving you consequences for the bad things you did. Like, that makes no sense.

• 1:01:01Laci Mosley?

  So this is the million-dollar private jet fraud. Jesus Christ, this is a long one, guys. I know y'all love a long episode. The million-dollar private jet fraud. Still, the multiple revocations of his license, not the peak of Tantuaia's troubles. Wow. The shadiness with Tammy Martinez's five-star treatment prior to her surgery, as well as why he insisted on performing it in Long Beach, is all related to the billion-dollar kickback scheme perpetrated by Michael Drobot. Drobot was the doctor we talked about who looked like Gollum in the beginning, who's in the jail. So we knew that he was the one who was flying people out to get their backs done. According to court records, Tantuaia was paid to do many operations at Pacific Hospital, that's in Long Beach. Drobot provided him with a private jet for the commute.

• 1:01:46Laci Mosley?

  Tantuaia is a licensed pilot. This nigga is a genius.

• 1:01:49Speaker 06

  Wow, he had all this time to invest in all of these certifications, but then still wants to scam people.

• 1:01:55Laci Mosley?

  Do evil, like, if you're a genius and a savant, why can't you just enjoy that and not harm people? And that's what people can't wrap their brains around, and that's why he's free. It's because they're like, he's so smart, he's a genius, he's a pilot, he's a surgeon. Why would he want to harm people? He's so great.

• 1:02:13Speaker 06

  But this is giving me sociopath. Yeah, because he doesn't care.

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  You can be a sociopath and be a savant, and a lot of savants are.

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, he just doesn't care.

• 1:02:22Laci Mosley?

  So, all in all, Tantuaia was charged with accepting 3.2 million dollars in bribes in the form of cash, bogus contracts, and the jet's leasing agreement to perform a 38 million dollar, 38 million dollars' worth of surgeries.

• 1:02:34Speaker 06

  Mm-mm.

• 1:02:35Laci Mosley?

  Though he was first mentioned regarding fraud in 2015, when investigators were looking into Drobot's case, Tantuaia was indicted, he wasn't indicted, until 2018.

• 1:02:48Laci Mosley?

  And has not yet gone to trial. He has pled not guilty. And I'm sure he's gonna blame it all on Drobot and be like, I didn't know what was going on. I'm just a good, nice doctor who's also a pilot and an abuser and a liar.

• 1:03:04Speaker 06

  And that guy's name is Drobot. He obviously is the mastermind. He's the bad guy.

• 1:03:09Laci Mosley?

  His name is Drobot. Come on, y'all, look at me, I'm cute. Like, it's not me. So, while awaiting trial, he remained free, but had to turn over his passport and one million dollars and his jet. However, this past June, he was ruled a flight risk and jailed in Santa Ana when authorities discovered that he secretly purchased another plane and discussed fitting it with an extended fuel tank.

• 1:03:33Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:03:34Laci Mosley?

  Which means he was trying to

• 1:03:35Speaker 06

  He was trying to go somewhere far, yeah.

• 1:03:36Laci Mosley?

  Out of the States.

• 1:03:40Speaker 06

  They just like keep giving this dude passes. It's so infuriating.

• 1:03:44Laci Mosley?

  It's insane. Why I do this podcast, a large amount of it, is like, yeah, it's fun. It's funny, we're talking about scams, it's fun. But so much that we live in is a fucking scam. All the rules that we follow, all the shit that we do was made up by another human being. Who gonna tell me what to do? No. Like, yeah, we do need rules, we do need order, we need people to follow them. But the bottom line is, is that if you a nigga who ain't gonna follow rules, you ain't gonna follow rules.

• 1:04:14Speaker 06

  But also, the rules are not being applied fairly to everybody.

• 1:04:17Laci Mosley?

  Nope. If you got money, power, influence, looks, you don't have to follow the rules.

• 1:04:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, cuz every single turn, there have been times where people could have stepped in and stopped this man from hurting other people. And they just kept giving him chances. They kept being like, okay, now this time, don't kill anybody this time, go on your merry little way.

• 1:04:42Laci Mosley?

  Medical Board of Long Beach?

• 1:04:44Speaker 06

  Yes. Put them on notice.

• 1:04:45Laci Mosley?

  Pull up on they motherfucking asses because this is bullshit. And they all need to be fired and under the jail as well. Because if you stand by and do nothing, you are just as culpable as the people who did the harm. That's why we talk about white supremacy the way that we do. If you benefit from it and you turn a blind eye to the people who are radical and keeping you in your place, you are just as bad as them. If you're not doing anything to stop harm, you are harmful. Like, this is fucking insane. So the aftermath is there's no mention of Tatuaya's involvement in the federal case in the medical board's website because he has not been convicted.

• 1:05:29Laci Mosley?

  Carlos Vitralo said in an email, "Doctor Tatuaya's license is renewed and current, and he may practice medicine in California as long as he follows the terms and conditions of his probation."

• 1:05:41Speaker 06

  Well, we know he's not gonna do-

• 1:05:42Laci Mosley?

  I don't want a doctor on probation. I don't want a doctor on paper. I don't want what?

• 1:05:47Speaker 06

  No, this is just a really good reminder that you need to do that due diligence. Google these hoes. Like, i- it's just you can't trust somebody on good looks and their word alone.

• 1:05:59Laci Mosley?

  When you go to the doctor, everyone who listens to this, always be ready to fight. Ask questions, ask more questions. You are paying them. I think that there's this, this misconstrued thing, this misconstrued idea that when you go to a doctor, they're a healer, you're there, and you're the weak, vulnerable person. Nigga, it's a job. It's just like if you go to Chick-fil-A and they don't give you Polynesian sauce when you wanted to, when you went to Big 'n Chicken. You know, like, it's the same thing. You gotta go in there, ask for receipts, ask and ask and check again. Because everything is a profession, everything is transactional in this world, and you have to make sure that people are on the up and up. This is fucking bullshit.

• 1:06:43Laci Mosley?

  And I bet you none of his patients know that he's on probation.

• 1:06:47Speaker 06

  Oh my god, no. I mean, that's not something he's advertising to them, I'm sure.

• 1:06:51Laci Mosley?

  So despite the federal indictment and being put on probation three times in the past four years, his medical license remains active. He's still listed on healthgrades.com as accepting new patients.

• 1:07:04Speaker 06

  Wow. Yeah, no, I'm so glad that you're, like, bringing this dude's name to light because we need to light his ass up.

• 1:07:11Laci Mosley?

  Light him on fucking fire. This is insane. I'm sorry, the bar stopped for me when he was abusing his family.

• 1:07:19Speaker 06

  He's done all of the things, like he's doing like the fucking bingo checklist of abusive shit.

• 1:07:25Laci Mosley?

  And then he went on to cause a woman to be an amputee. And he went on to do all this fraudulent ass shit. And he's not being, like, this is why the justice system is fucked. Money, capitalism fucks everything. Like, it just does. So guys,

• 1:07:49Laci Mosley?

  the sermon is over.

• 1:07:50Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 1:07:51Laci Mosley?

  I am wiping off the sweat off my brow.

• 1:07:55Speaker 06

  I know, my blood pressure's up now.

• 1:07:57Laci Mosley?

  We, Francesca, we went full passer, full, it's goddamn NFL Sunday, but I'm not gonna hold you, but we held them.

• 1:08:05Speaker 06

  Oh my god. I mean, listen, we had to go there. I'm appreciative that you did it, cuz somebody has to expose these hoes.

• 1:08:11Laci Mosley?

  And it's time for scammer of the week. And maybe we'll love this person, maybe we'll hate them. I hope that we love them cuz I-

• 1:08:17Speaker 06

  We need a lovable scammer after that last one.

• 1:08:20Laci Mosley?

  I hated everybody. So, uh, we might not love this woman.

• 1:08:28Laci Mosley?

  Think she's funny. A woman who was on the run for being an accessory to murder, which is bad, was just arrested after commenting on Tulsa Police Department's Facebook asking about her reward money. So, Tulsa Police, and every, you know what?

• 1:08:44Speaker 06

  So wait, was she, was she asking how much the reward was to catch her?

• 1:08:49Laci Mosley?

  She was at, yes, that's what she was asking. But they, she knew how much the money was. She was just asking if she could get it.

• 1:08:57Speaker 06

  That, like, wow.

• 1:08:58Laci Mosley?

  Now, she's an accessory to murder, so I'm not gonna say, she was like the murder bruh. I don't know what she did.

• 1:09:03Speaker 06

  But, but it sounds like she was there.

• 1:09:05Laci Mosley?

  There, maybe she carried the body, maybe she did, you know, she did something that they looking for.

• 1:09:10Speaker 06

  She thinks that she should get a reward for participating in a murder?

• 1:09:14Laci Mosley?

  Hey, listen, Marina, pull up the photo so that Francesca can see what this woman looks like. Because when I saw this on Twitter, y'all tagged me all over. She looked like, oops, she looked like, hee hee.

• 1:09:28Speaker 06

  She looked so proud of herself.

• 1:09:31Laci Mosley?

  She's like, I'm such a rap scallion. Like, she looks like, oops, like, I did a murder. Like, what? She's like, oh, you got me. She looked like she was playing hide and go seek and her feet was sticking outside of the bed. And someone was like, I see you. And she was like, damn, you got me. Like, she don't look like she just got arrested for murder.

• 1:09:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's, she's like, accepting her fate. She's very much like, yep, this is what it is.

• 1:09:57Laci Mosley?

  And part of me is like, she did get a criminal off the streets, you know?

• 1:10:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, herself.

• 1:10:03Laci Mosley?

  So she don't, she can't get the reward money for that?

• 1:10:06Speaker 06

  No, absolutely not.

• 1:10:07Laci Mosley?

  So she told her homeboy to report it and then give her half?

• 1:10:11Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no. Anybody connected to her or the crime should not be able to get the money. Absolutely not.

• 1:10:18Laci Mosley?

  No, what, look, her family and criminals.

• 1:10:21Speaker 06

  No, she also knew. Here's the thing, though. She knew she had no business getting that money, which is why she fucking went up on Facebook and asked. She was just like, let me just double check. No, she knew. She knew the answer was no.

• 1:10:34Laci Mosley?

  I don't know why you would get on Mark Zuckerberg's internet.

• 1:10:37Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:10:37Laci Mosley?

  And tell anything about yourself. And the comments underneath were like, oh, sis, don't do this. Oh, they gonna find you. No, no, no. Like, she had a lot of comments that were like, sis, what are you doing? Like, your FBI agent is definitely gonna find you now. The Tulsa PD posted their Facebook several images of Lorraine, a part of their weekly Most Wanted campaign, asking for information related to the murder of Eric Graves at the St. Thomas Square Apartments. Not all, so not long after posting, Lorraine commented, where's the reward money at?

• 1:11:09Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:11:11Laci Mosley?

  So Lorraine was subsequently arrested the next day at 4:30 PM after detectives were able to track her down at a North Tulsa home. Two other subjects, or suspects, rather, involved in the murder have been arrested and charged. Lorraine's bail is set at $500,000.

• 1:11:26Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 1:11:28Laci Mosley?

  I, look, she's an accessory to murder, so I can't root for her because you shouldn't be murdering people.

• 1:11:33Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:11:34Laci Mosley?

  That's not, like, in life. I do believe in beating people's asses. Sometimes people need their ass beat.

• 1:11:40Speaker 06

  And who knows, we might have given her the benefit of the doubt if she hadn't hopped her ass up on Facebook because

• 1:11:46Laci Mosley?

  I'm talking about where the reward money is.

• 1:11:47Speaker 06

  There is such thing as being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Like, we don't know the circumstances or who that person, you know, who actually killed the person, but the minute that she got on-

• 1:11:56Laci Mosley?

  And we don't know what Eric Graves did. We don't know if he was beating on people and it was like-

• 1:12:01Speaker 06

  We don't want to speculate, but the fact that she got on, the fact that she got on Facebook to inquire about the reward money tells me that she is-

• 1:12:10Laci Mosley?

  On her real page. Why should you just make a fake page? I made seven fake pages to get discounts on Toby.com when I was in college.

• 1:12:19Laci Mosley?

  But, sis, we cannot support this. You're an accessory to murder. I don't believe in taking away people's lives. Like, if you do some foul shit-

• 1:12:30Speaker 06

  You're bad. You're wrong. We're putting you in jail.

• 1:12:33Laci Mosley?

  And, guys, one, Francesca, thank you so much for giving me your time. Francesca is a booked and busy as fucking genius queen, who also has a beautiful heart. And she lent her time to this podcast and I'm forever grateful for it. And Francesca, I just have to ask you, what we ask at the end of this podcast, where do you want to be found?

• 1:12:56Speaker 06

  Ooh, I mean, I am all over social media as Cheska, as Cheska Lee. I'm technically on a social media break right now, but you can still enjoy-

• 1:13:05Laci Mosley?

  It's leaving my timeline so empty on Twitter.

• 1:13:08Speaker 06

  You know what? I'm being super productive. I'm feeling good about myself. I'm not stressed out.

• 1:13:13Laci Mosley?

  I just have to text you now, I guess, because I'm like, what's going on with your house painting? What's going, like, I need to know the things.

• 1:13:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, so you can follow me all across social media at Cheska Lee, C-H-E-S-C-A-L-E-I-G-H. Um, or francesca.net, which is my, my website that is in sore need of being up, updated, but, uh, all the happenings are there.

• 1:13:34Laci Mosley?

  She's hot. Just go look at her on all the things. Cheska Lee on all the things. Go look at her. She's so hot. And, and, and still incredibly kind and brilliant. It's ridiculous. I told you, God, he, he dropped all the things by accident and just stirred it up and spit you out.

• 1:13:48Speaker 06

  Well, I'm so glad that I've got to- I'm so glad that, like, all of these cool opportunities have, like, aligned us to be able to work together. And I just, I can't say enough- How proud of you I am and how hardworking and how talented you are. So I'm honored that I finally got to do the podcast. Um, I hope the congregation enjoyed.

• 1:14:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, they're gonna live. When my friends come on the show, they're like, oh, it's gonna be a hot mess. And they know, and it's gonna be fine. Um, I just have to shout out Marina Paez, Judith Cargbo, Kaelyn Brandt. Thank you, guys, for the work that you guys do. I love you, guys, so much. And, guys, if you want to find, first of all, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, just make sure the scam is retired, [email protected]. Please, go on iTunes or wherever you listen to this podcast and rate the podcast five stars, especially if you're white, that you can put that as your reparations for the day. You're like, I did something for black people, just put five stars on Apple iTunes and screenshot it

• 1:14:49Laci Mosley?

  and tweet it to me. I will retweet it. I will talk to you. Do the right thing, okay? And if you want to find me, D I V A L A C I D, Lacy on all platforms. A Black Lays Sketch Show, all the episodes of season two are streaming now on HBO Max, five times Emmy nominated. Can you fucking believe? Pippa Pew! Also, iCarly, streaming now on Paramount Plus. Get into it. If you haven't seen Francesca's episode on iCarly, get into it, yeah. Um, that's all I have to promote right now. I love you, guys, so much. Congregation. Stay Schemin, but scheme ethically, okay? Amen.

• 1:15:34Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess! This has been an Earwolf Production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Paez, and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming!

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• 1:16:58Speaker 11

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• 1:17:11Speaker 12

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• 1:17:56Speaker 12

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