SC EP:1305 The Prowler

Julie and Alan will be coming on. Julie writes "In 1989, I married a service member, and he received a TAD school assignment to 29 Palms, California. In October of that year, when I was about five months pregnant, we left the East Coast and moved to California. We rented a house on the hill going into the Yucca Valley National Monument. It was a beautiful house, and we thought we were very lucky to find such a nice place at a reasonable price. The house had two bedrooms and a really large, open den filled with windows that offered an amazing view of 29 Palms and the surrounding area at night. We put our five-year-old daughter in one bedroom. The other bedroom had a terrible coldness to it, so we basically used it as a cooler. We set up our bedroom in the open den area instead. We had been there about a month when things took a crazy turn. The desert gets cold at night, so we had the natural gas tank filled to use for heat and bought wood for the fireplace, which we kept on the adjoining carport. Within about a week, all the gas was gone from the tank. We called the realtor, and they sent out a crew to check for a gas leak, but none was found. They refilled the tank, only for it to be empty again a week later. Then the toilet started overflowing, and this God-awful, filthy water began coming up into the bathtub and sinks. We called the realtor again, and they sent out a crew to snake the drain lines. They eventually tore up the backyard looking for possible tree roots or anything else that might be interfering with the drainage. Nothing was found. Then the lights started turning themselves on and off. The oven would shut off on its own. It was crazy. We called the realtor again, and they sent out an electrician. He called me out back to where the electrical lines were attached to the house at the meter. He pointed at the lines and asked, "Ma'am, do you see the lines?" I told him I did. He shook his head, kind of laughed, and said, "This house should not have power. It isn't connected to the meter at all." He was right. It wasn't connected. The guy grabbed his gear, said, "Nope," and left. I stood there completely amazed. When my husband came home, I showed him what the electrician had found. He told me to contact the realtor, but they never sent another electrician. Not long after that, our daughter woke us up screaming. When we got to her, she told us that the Indian man was going to get her. This became a nightly occurrence, and eventually, we moved her into the den with us. My husband would also wake up screaming and fighting, saying he was being attacked by a giant black bear. There are so many other things that happened inside and outside that house. I would love to tell you more about those experiences, as well as a strange ball of light encounter I had about two years ago on the property where I currently live. My husband saw it, too."

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that that big.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:01Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better. Karen, see ya.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:32Speaker 04

  This is Blair coming to you from Delonge, Georgia, the home of the first gold rush. And you're listening to the best podcast in the world, Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:09Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. I got this email from Julie and it was one of the more creepy accounts I think I've ever read. And I was like, I gotta have her on the show. I gotta, I gotta hear this firsthand. And I'll let her go into this home that she moved into. Her husband, Alan, will be joining us and he describes a Sasquatch encounter when he was very young. And I'll let him go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com.

• 2:52Wes Germer?

  You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I think we'll start with Alan. Alan, welcome to the show.

• 3:01Speaker 06

  Thank you for having me.

• 3:04Wes Germer?

  Yeah, when I was talking to Julie, she had mentioned you had an encounter when you were young. I know this takes place in North Carolina. Julie's encounter was back in 89 in California. But again, before we chat with her, take me to this encounter in North Carolina. What were you doing and what happened?

• 3:24Speaker 06

  Okay, um, there's like three different things that happened. I'll start, I'll basically go chronologically with them. The very first thing was I was probably four or five years old, maybe something like that. It was a typical like summer night. Of course, young, young kid, you always, your parents put you to bed, you know, fairly early, you know, or whatever. And for whatever reason, I woke up, I don't, I don't remember whether it was like I had a feeling of being watched or anything like that. I just remember waking up.

• 4:06Speaker 06

  I stayed in a bedroom with two other brothers and we had a foster brother that stayed with us also. I was the only one in the room and there was two windows in the room, one kind of between two sets of bunk beds and then another on the, like the back wall, kind of at the end of one set of the bunk beds. And I woke up, looked toward the window and I don't want to say that it was a human face, but it was a human like face in the window. And I stared at it for, I don't know, a few seconds.

• 4:51Speaker 06

  I'm sure it seemed like an eternity, but it was, you know, just a few seconds. And then this extreme fear came over me and I just like jumped out of the bed, ran out, you know, to the living room where my father and my oldest brother, who was probably at the time, he couldn't have been more than maybe 11, 12 years old or something like that. Well, they just grabbed flashlights and shotguns and go outside and of course found nothing. Well, it was kind of a, a thing in, in our house that they would say it must've been a prowler.

• 5:36Speaker 06

  Never said that it was like somebody outside looking in the window or somebody messing around the house. It was always a prowler. And I don't know if it's got anything to do with, you know, that maybe that's what the old folks called unexplained things around the house or whatever, you know what I mean? But where I lived was on old family land that was a huge forest around it. So it was not anything unique for, you know, wild animals and things like that to come up in the yard or whatever. So, but I just remember, you know, that was the story as far as, you know, the prowler thing. And no one ever said Bigfoot or nothing like that.

• 6:20Speaker 06

  It was just always a prowler. But that pretty much, you know, concludes that. Nothing, I don't remember anything else ever happening. I do remember, you know, multiple times as a child, like my, my father going out and checking around the house for prowlers. So like I said, I don't know if that was the terminology that he used because he didn't have any better terminology because, I mean, I was born in 1968. So me being four or five years old or whatever, you know, and we're talking, you know, 72, 73 timeframe or whatever. But the weirdest thing, I never really thought about it until I started listening to like

• 7:03Speaker 06

  your podcast and, you know, other cryptid kind of podcasts or whatever, that it could have been a Bigfoot because one day it hit me that for something to be looking in the window of that house, they either had to be standing on a short step ladder or they had to have been eight or nine feet tall. Because it was a old home with a crawl space. So the floor system itself was probably three and a half, maybe four feet off the ground. And then the window was probably another three feet off the floor.

• 7:42Speaker 06

  So the window had to have been where that face was at, had to have been seven, eight, eight and a half feet in the air. So it wasn't just a regular man standing there. And that realization didn't hit me until I was, golly, you know, two, three years ago is when that happened. But that's pretty much, you know, like I said, it's, it's, that was my experience with that.

• 8:12Wes Germer?

  And before you go on to the next incident, I know you were young when this happened and obviously you were scared. Was there anything you remember about the face?

• 8:22Speaker 06

  Um, of course I was in a dark room. The hall light was on and the door was open. So it was light coming in the room. But the only thing that I really remember about the face was it was, the face was human looking, but not like a brother or something like that messing with me, looking in the window. It was kind of human, but it was large. It was a large face, but it was like around the face was really dark. You could tell that there was hair.

• 8:59Speaker 06

  Or what looked like hair to me back then, but you how how like a gorilla or a chimpanzee or something, they got the lighter colored skin on the face, but then the hairs like dark, but it comes over on the cheeks and stuff like that. It was similar to that is the best that I can describe it, but it did not look like a primate or something. It still looked human ish, but not like a monkey or an ape or something like that. It was, it was more human than it was ape like. So I don't remember any ears. Um, but like I said, the perimeter

• 9:39Speaker 06

  around the face, I mean, even down like in the chin area was all like dark. It was dark. You really couldn't see that much of it. And I didn't look at it long. I mean, it was, you know, wake up, turn around, I see this face in the window and it might've been, it might've been a half a second. I don't know. It felt like it was 10 minutes because I was like petrified. And eventually it was like, pew, I'm out. You know what I mean? I'm out. I run down the hall screaming. Um, then of course my older, my oldest brother and my father, you know, grabbed guns and flashlights and go outside. And of course

• 10:22Speaker 06

  they come back in, we didn't see nothing. You know what I mean? Like I said, the floor system of the house that was up on a crawl space. So the floor system of the house was probably four feet off the ground level. And then the bottom of the window was probably another two and a half to three feet from the floor. And it wasn't like just peering over the window seal. It was like halfway up the window. This space was like, it was way up. And I did, that didn't even occur to me until, you know, two or three years ago, when I started kind of, things started coming back to me or whatever. Not that I

• 11:07Speaker 06

  ever forgot the incident, but it's one of those things just kind of put behind you, you know? This little thing happened when I was a child and you just don't think about it again. But then I started like listening to, uh, that's what Chronicles a little bit with the wife and, uh, some other cryptid type stuff. And it like poof, it like came right back to, to memory. And I was like, I wonder if that was a bigfoot.

• 11:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah. It's kind of weird about your parents' reaction to the whole thing of, oh, it must be a prowler. At my place, you know, if there's a prowler out there, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna go out and confront them, but I'm not gonna be like, oh, it must be that prowler again. It's kind of a weird response. Tell me about the next incident.

• 11:52Speaker 06

  Okay. Um, this is several years later. Um, we had moved our house burned that that house that that episode happened in. It had burned, um, just a accidental fire or whatever. And, um, and we had moved still in Jacksonville, but closer to town, not as much rural or whatever. And for the first time, we actually moved into a neighborhood and we had, you know, like neighbor kids and stuff. And I, this time, I'm probably nine or 10 years old, something like that. And it's the summer where we're all out of school and all that kind of stuff. So we spend our days running around, uh, not far off from where we lived

• 12:35Speaker 06

  was a new river, like way up river, but it was new river. And we'd go back there, go fishing, just go hanging out, whatever. And anyways, at nighttime, so we killed our time by running around. One of the big games that we played was flashlight tag. So we were in one of those at nights, we were doing flashlight tag. And we were in my yard and there was probably, it was me, one of my older brothers and like three or four of the other neighborhood boys that we all just kind of run around. All of them are older than I was. I was the youngest of everybody. But, um, so I just tried to keep up with everybody. Anyways, we're in our yard and we were getting ready to go down to one of

• 13:17Speaker 06

  the other guy's house. And when we walked out of our driveway onto the street and started walking up the street, we noticed like out of a driveway, I don't know, it had to been, thinking back on it now, then knowing the area still, it had to been a hundred, maybe a hundred and 50 yards ahead of us. A blue ball of light, looked like the size of a basketball, maybe larger, but that's the easiest comparison that I've got for it is a basketball. Anyways, it just started drifting out of either a driveway or someone

• 13:56Speaker 06

  else's yard from the left and just kind of drifted across, you started slowly drifting across the road, not like a straight line, like it wasn't like someone carrying a lantern or something like that. And it wasn't a color to have been a normal light. It was like almost sapphire blue. I mean, like really, really blue. Anyways, it started coming from the left to the right, just kind of drifting. And of course, all of us saw it at the same time. So we first started walking towards it. You know, like, what is that? What is that? And you're, what is that? And as we got closer, it started getting more to the left side of the street. And it was just a standard two-way unmarked street with little

• 14:41Speaker 06

  gutters, you know, typical neighborhood street. And on the left-hand side of the street where it was drifting across, there was a trail up in, there was a patch of nice big patch of woods that was behind, it's called Onslow Memorial Park Cemetery. And I mean, it's a big cemetery, but probably another quarter of a mile to the cemetery. But this big patch of woods is kind of behind it. And it was an area of the woods that we had trails and paths and all kinds of, we ride our bicycles back there. We're in that patch of woods all the time. Well, the mouth of the trail was where the direction that this ball of

• 15:22Speaker 06

  light was drifting towards. So we're, you know, start walking that way, you know, asking each other, what do you think it is here, whatever. It started up into the mouth of that path. Well, when it got into the mouth of the path, it was, it kind of went uphill a little bit, kind of a little ridge there. And, uh, we started running towards it at that point. And one guy took off and next thing you know, we're all booking. As we got up into the mouth of that trail, it had, you know, was obviously down the trail just a little ways, probably if I had to guess, maybe 30, 40 yards up the trail from where

• 16:04Speaker 06

  the mouth of the trail was when we got into the mouth. And the minute that we got into the mouth of that trail, this blue light, and this was not a straight trail. This, you know, this trail was windy and curvy and all this kind of stuff. This ball of light took off like a streak and appeared to have continued to follow the trail. But this thing was out of sight in a couple of seconds. I mean, it's gone. Boom. And it was gone. You know, and we were like, what in the heck was that? Never saw it again. Never saw anything

• 16:45Speaker 06

  like that again. But, I mean, it wasn't like a, like a flashlight sized ball. Like this was big. You know what I mean? That minimum size of a basketball. And wasn't the color of any kind of flashlight in the mid seventies or anything like that. You know what I mean? Most, you know, most flashlights back then was just a plain old ink and desert, you know, kind of a yellowish, whitish, you know, off white kind of a light. And I have no idea to this day, what it even could have been. But the most impressive thing to me about

• 17:21Speaker 06

  it was the speed at which it took off. Once all of us guys hit them, the entrance to that trail. I mean, it literally like, it was a streak. It went from moving very slowly and, and just kind of like a drifting little ball to, and it was gone. I mean, gone. I mean, it like made the curves and the little turns on the trail and everything. It was like, it was gone. Just about that quick. It was literally like a sapphire blue, like

• 18:00Speaker 06

  a, not a, not a light blue, not like a really dark blue. It was like a, maybe sapphires wrong color, maybe like a cobalt blue or something. It was a darker blue, but like a, kind of like a medium blue light. But, I mean, like intensely glowing. It wasn't like some kind of like little dim light or something like that. I mean, we saw it immediately from a hundred, hundred fifty yards away. I mean, as soon as we walked out in the road and turned that way to start walking that direction, it was like, whoa, what is that? And it was, and when we first saw it, it literally looked like it drifted out of a

• 18:41Speaker 06

  driveway further down away from us. And was just moving slow, wouldn't like no hurry at all, until we got up in the mouth of that trail and it was just gone. It was just gone.

• 18:58Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's interesting. The one that I saw was blue as well. I mean, I'm half colorblind, but I understand when you say it's kind of hard to describe the blue. It's not like a normal blue. It makes me wonder why they come in different colors. Sometimes people see red ones. Sometimes people see like, uh, orange ones. It's fascinating. You saw the lights with the other stuff going on. Going back to that thing in your window for a moment. Do you remember anyone else in the family having any sort of run in or was it ever talked about again?

• 19:33Speaker 06

  Nothing that to my knowledge that was on that kind of a level like someone seeing someone or whatever we'd constantly hearing, you know, different little noises or rattles or scratches or something, you know, which is one of the reasons why, you know, like my mom would be like in the kitchen washing dishes or something. And she would just get like this uneasy feeling or something and she'd go to my father and be like, uh, I think we might have a prowler outside. And every time it wasn't, you know, not you, you just hearing things or something like that.

• 20:12Speaker 06

  It was nothing like that ever. It was always grabbed a shotgun and a flashlight and it was always at night and he would always go outside and, you know, walk around the house, walk the perimeter of the yard and everything and, uh, never to my knowledge actually saw anything. But it was that whole them calling it a prowler. You know what I mean? Like making it kind of out like that it was possibly somebody in the neighborhood. It might be looking around the house or something, but never saying that vagrant down there. I think he might be outside or

• 20:52Speaker 06

  something. You know what I mean? It was always just calling it the prowler or a prowler. And it that was never strange to me until I got older and, and all that kind of stuff, you know, uh, within the last two, three years. It's when it's like, man, well, why would they call it a prowler and not call it maybe somebody messing around, you know, trespassing on the property or something, you know what I mean?

• 21:21Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I find that weird too, that they constantly called this the prowler. And the way you're describing the window and how far up it is. I mean, you know, eight, nine feet, that thing would have had to have been to actually look in that window. That's a prowler. That's one hell of a prowler. What do you think Sasquatch is?

• 21:44Speaker 06

  I think, I think that Sasquatch is probably a human hybrid of some sort, or possibly maybe Nephilim, maybe a product of fallen angels. I don't know. You know, that's probably my final answer is I don't know. But I have, you know, my opinion is that they're either one of the three. They're either product of which would be Nephilim. You know, so it's one of the two. They're either Nephilim or they're some kind of hybrid human that maybe a species that hasn't officially been recognized or whatever. But who knows? Who knows?

• 22:30Wes Germer?

  Yeah, a lot of people feel that way. And there is a lot of weird things that happen when these creatures are around. I would describe as almost paranormal. Not always, but in a lot of cases, people report some bizarre things, especially regarding these creatures. One last question I want to ask you, Alan. Later in life, did you ever go back and talk to your parents about that property and just see if that any, any more information?

• 23:01Speaker 06

  Uh, no, I haven't, but now I would like to get a little more insight on from them about that timeframe. I mean, because I was a child at the time, you know, and yeah, how children are, you know, the boogeyman under the bed and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, I would like to, I'd like to speak to my, my parents about that. I mean, because both of them are alive. I'm not in contact with my father, but I visit with my mother, you know, weekly at least. So, but there was one UFO incident that I haven't spoken with you about.

• 23:42Speaker 06

  And, uh, that happened about the same timeframe as the blue ball. So it'd have been about nine, 10 years old. And this, what made this was so strange is the reaction that occurred afterwards. And just real quickly, all it was another evening, we were a bunch of us boys running around outside in that same neighborhood or whatever. And off in a distance, you couldn't see that it was any kind of a craft or whatever. You couldn't see any shape of any sort of a craft, but you could

• 24:20Speaker 06

  see lights, but they appeared to be around some type of craft, a large, very, very, very large craft. Just in one spot in the sky, low in the sky, just above like treetop and probably aisle away, maybe more, maybe less. I don't, you know, kind of hard to judge at distance at night, but the lights around it would move off away in different directions at different intervals or whatever. And then other lights would come back into place. And that this goes

• 25:00Speaker 06

  on for like 10 minutes, maybe. And eventually the lights quit going away and only were lights coming back. And at a given point, the lights quit moving away or to it altogether. And then like turning the light switch off on the wall, just look, the lights went out. We don't know what happened to that after the lights went out because we didn't see anything, you know, move in any direction, didn't go up, didn't go down, get left or right, whatever. The most curious part about that is, is I live in a very, very big military town, a Marine Corps town.

• 25:44Speaker 06

  And probably 10, maybe as much as 15 minutes after we saw what we saw, the sky was literally full of military helicopters, military aircraft, you know, airplanes, jets. I mean, they're full, like un- unusually full. We were, you know, pretty used to seeing military aircraft helicopters and things like that fly around over in the neighborhood on a daily basis. This was completely different. This was everywhere you look, everywhere you listened, there was aircraft literally

• 26:25Speaker 06

  everywhere. And that went on for probably a half hour and then it all went away and nothing else ever happened. So I don't know what that was about. The only thing that I can say, it was more of a shape, but you couldn't see the shape other than the fact that it was to me appeared oval, but it could have been big and round. You know, I don't, because you couldn't see any kind of a craft. You couldn't see any shape of a craft. It was up against the night sky and no moon out, really no stars out or whatever. But it was the lights that was around it. They were

• 27:07Speaker 06

  in a line around it, you know, wasn't like lights scattered all over it. There was like a ring of lights around it, but individually these lights would like one light from, let's say the right-hand side of it would move off away from whatever this thing was. And then maybe from the left, a light would come to it. And then from right in front of us, a light would take off and head off in a direction and another one would come to it. And it was like that. It was like lights leaving, lights coming back, lights leaving, lights coming back like that for about 10 minutes.

• 27:45Speaker 06

  And then all the lights just came back. They quit departing away from it. And the few lights that there was just a few lights that came back in. And once, I guess, once all the lights got there or whatever, they all just went out. Like, like turning a light switch on the wall. Look, it was gone. You know, and like I said, we didn't have any kind of visual on it from that point forward. So we don't know if it went up, went down, went left, right, diagonally away. We don't know where it went or what happened with it. It was just went dark. And like I said, you

• 28:25Speaker 06

  know, 10, 15 minutes after that, the sky was full, full of, I mean, all different grades of military aircraft, you know, from the CH46s that's got the two big propellers on or, you know, whatever on top of it to the Hughes, you know, we called them Hueys to jet aircraft. I mean, it's a sky full of it. Like nothing we'd ever seen before. It was the strangest thing I'd ever, you know, as far as being in a military town and being able to see military aircraft in the air on a daily basis. That was the strangest thing I'd ever seen.

• 29:04Wes Germer?

  How long ago did this happen to you?

• 29:07Speaker 06

  That, that was about, uh, mid seventies. I'd say, uh, I was 19 years old. Someone says 77, 78 timeframe, something like that. I mean, just in the group that I was with that saw it was, there had to have been probably seven or eight of us boys that saw it. Yeah. Ranging in ages from I was the youngest, about nine or 10 up to about 13, 14 years old, something like that.

• 29:36Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I sure appreciate you sharing that, Alan. Obviously the military was paying very close attention to it. But thank you for coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you.

• 29:48Speaker 06

  Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I will, uh, hand you over to Julie and I appreciate you and, uh, I'll be, uh, tuning in again to you.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  Hello.

• 29:57Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, Julie. You know, you had sent me that email about this incident that happened to you in California. And I read it several times and I was thinking, man, I really need to speak with her. If you would, take me back to California and tell me about this place that you had moved into.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Um, I got, we got married in like September of eighty nine. And then he got orders, um, not, not Alan, my ex husband Danny, he got orders to twenty nine palms, uh, school. He's caught in Acecom, which is communications. So he had to go to school out there. We got a realtor. When we first got there, we were in the hostess house for a couple of days. Um, so we spent hostess house or we were in the hostess house for like Halloween night. And then, um, within like a couple of days, I'd say, you know, November second or third. We had moved into this house.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  And it, and I said Yucca Valley, but I was completely wrong in that it was Joshua Tree National Monument. I spoke to my ex husband last night. I called him just to make sure I was right. But it was like the last house in this neighborhood up on the hill. Before you go into the Joshua Tree National Monument. And it was a beautiful little property. It had a ranch style house on it. It had, you walked in, there was a living room and then the kitchen was to the left. It was like a galley kitchen. And then the bedrooms were behind the kitchen in a hallway.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  There was a bedroom, a bathroom, a bedroom, and then like a laundry room on the opposite side of the hallway. And then the whole back of the house, almost minus that one bedroom, was this open air. Den like room. I don't know what they used it as, but we ended up putting our bedroom in it. Because the second bedroom, the bedroom right next to it was so cold, you didn't want to be in it. And when I say so cold, we literally used it as a cooler. We put cases of drinks in there and they would have ice in them. That's how cold this bedroom was.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Our daughter was in the opposite bedroom on the other side of the bathroom. Well, it started out, when we first moved in, everything was fine. We were like, man, this place is gorgeous. You can see all of twenty nine at night. You can see the stars and the mountains in the background and you can see all of twenty nine lit up. It was absolutely stunning. Then the crazy started. The first thing that happened was it started to get colder. So we had the gas tank, a big five hundred gallon gas, uh, natural gas tank filled up. So we could run the heat.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  And within a week, the tank was empty. So I called the realtor and she sent up a gas crew. And they looked for gas leaks. They went through the furnace. They went through the tank, the lines, everything, couldn't find anything. And the realty company sealed it back up for us. And so we thought, you know, we don't know what happened. Maybe the guy left, you know, a little bit open or whatever. Made sure everything was closed off good. A week later, it's empty again. And we were like, okay, so we ordered cordwood.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  And we had, there was a patio to the right of the house. What was a carport? And we had the wood stacked out there and we were using that to heat the house from the fireplace in the living room. Then the toilet would started overflowing and the bathtub and the sink in the kitchen and the bathroom would bubble up with this water. I don't even know if it was sewage. I have no idea what it was, but it was brown and it was foamy and it was gross. And we called the realty company again. They came out, man, they dug up the side yard or backyard where the

• 34:29Speaker 03

  lines were looking to see if it was roots. They snaked everything and they couldn't find anything. And they were like, you know, we don't know what happened, whatever. So we were like, okay, well, that continued. It would continue to do that. It wasn't every day. It wasn't after you took a shower. It wasn't after you flushed the toilet. It would just do it. Then around Thanksgiving timeframe, we were prepping for Thanksgiving. I was, you know, trying to cook pies and and do all the things you do for Thanksgiving and the oven kept turning off. Well, then the lights would go out in the kitchen and come on in the back room.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  And then they'd go out in the back room and come on in the living room. And then they'd go out in the living room and come on in the bathroom or our daughter's bedroom or the hallway. And it just kept going. I mean, just off and on all around the house. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. What, what is next in this place? So we called the realtor again and they sent electricians out. The electrician goes into the backyard, right out the back door of that big den room was the meter. Like the electric meter that they read, you know, to give you your electric bill. And the guy knocks on the back door and I of course answered it and he said, um,

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Ms. Julie, can I get you to come out here for a minute? And I was like, absolutely. So I go out there and he's like, ma'am, do you see these power lines? And I was like, yes. And he goes, do you see this meter? And I was like, yes. And he said, are they connected? And I said, uh, no.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  And he goes, yeah, nope, I'm out. And he picked up his stuff and he left. And I was like, okay, you know, you, you shouldn't have power to this house. I'm gone. I'm not even going to mess with this. I don't know how you've got power. The cables are not buried. It should come from that power line right there into the side of the house, into the meter. I'm out. And he left. And I was like, well, snap. Well, we never got an electric bill. The whole time we lived there, we never got an electric bill, but then again, we weren't connected to the power grid. So there's that.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Then our daughter started having these, she would just wake up screaming, bloody murder. And of course we would jump up and run in her room. And she's like, the, the eyes in the window, the, the Indian man's going to get me. And we're like, what? And she's describing, you know, this man in full Indian, you know, stuff and how he was coming after her. And we were like, okay, yeah, you just had a nightmare, you know, go back to sleep. You know, whatever. We stayed with her, got her calmed down, but it then it continued. She continued to have it. To the point that we moved her out of that bedroom and in with us.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Then my ex husband, I was coming back from the bathroom and he literally sat up and started swinging at me. Now I'm pregnant and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. So I hit him. And he like shakes awake or whatever. And I'm like, what are you doing? And he's like, did you see it? Did you see it? And I'm like, did I see what? And he's like, the giant black bear. Did you see it? It was trying to attack me. And I was like, no, you idiot, that was me. And he's like, no, it was a black bear. It was a black bear. Well, he kept having that nightmare over and over and over. Now I'm pregnant.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  And my pregnancy just takes a nosedive. I mean, an absolute nosedive. I lose twenty one pounds. The doctors are saying, you've got to go on bedrest. So they put me on bedrest or like, you know, this is a high stress pregnancy, whatever. And I'm like, I'm not doing anything. I don't know why I would be high stressed. Well, on this property, it only rained one time. While we were there and we were only there from the beginning of November to the end of December. Right around Christmas, I was like, peace out. I'm going back to North Carolina. Well, when the rain hit up in the monument, it created like water running down from the monument.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  It literally got to the road in front of the house and split in two and went around the property. It didn't even touch the property itself and came together behind the property and continued down the hill.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  And we were like, what? I've, I've never seen anything like that. Never. So that freaked us out. We got in the car and we were driving around one day and on the left of the property, on the other side of the neighborhood was like the cemetery. And it went like way back and some, there was like some Native American stuff in there as well. So we're like, oh, great. And then to the right of the property down the hill. My ex says it was farther away than that, but I don't, I don't remember it that way. Was this little museum? And we were, like I said, we were out driving around and we found the cemetery and then we found

• 40:12Speaker 03

  this little museum. So we're like, well, let's go in this little museum and show our daughter, you know, she's like four or five. So we're like, we'll go, we'll go in and show her the Native American stuff from this area or whatever. Well, it turns out everything that was going on in that house was in that little museum. The water splitting, the, the giant black bear was said to be the grim reaper of that tribe. And we were like, holy smoke. The wolves would come down out of Joshua Tree and they would get on the property and like,

• 40:54Speaker 03

  come to like the back door and to the sliding doors of the property. It was nuts. But the craziest thing, we, I, we left, I called the realtor and I was like, look, I've had enough. I'm done with this property. This place is haunted. And she's like, we know. I'm like, excuse me, what? And she said, we know. I said, you let us rent a haunted house and didn't warn us? And she's like, we don't have to. By law, we don't have to tell you. And I'm like, lady, I can strangle you. So I left and came back to North Carolina. We, we got out of that contract and she found us another place to live down into town.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  And I came back out after being home for about a month. I flew back out and everything was fine. But one of the craziest things was about 15 years later.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Some friends that worked with, one of the men that worked with my husband was actually my husband's boss. And his wife and us became really good friends. And we would go over their house and hang out and everything. And we were all sitting around, you know, doing the ghost story thing, you know, this happened to us over here and this happened to us over there. And I started talking about that house. And when I started talking about that house, she stopped me. And she just, I was describing the house and she stopped me and finished describing the house. And I was like, hold on, what?

• 42:31Speaker 03

  And then I gave her the address and she finished the address. She said, we lived in that house. And I was like, no, you didn't. She said, yes, we did. And she started telling us, they had the same things. The electricity, the, um, the power going off and on, the water bubbling up from everywhere, the toilet overflowing, the, um, gas leaking out of the tank, the wolves, the, the rain splitting and going around the property. But they had one more incident that we never got to. They had a night where the, they said locuses were coming from everywhere.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  And they had to put towels under the door frames to keep the locuses from getting in the house. And then the next morning they were all gone. There wasn't a locust to be found anywhere. Now I can't speak for her, but I know what I experienced in that house. And that place was crazy. And I won't, I, I don't think I'll ever forget that.

• 43:47Wes Germer?

  It's a crazy incident. I mean, when I very first read your email, I thought that, you know, not being connected to the grid, but you guys still have power and all of these weird things going on. Your, your daughter, did she ever describe what she saw?

• 44:05Speaker 03

  Her bed was along the right wall of the, the bedroom. On the left wall, she had like a table and chairs and, you know, like a coloring easel and, um, dollhouse, you know, just kid stories. And she would describe an Indian man, um, standing in the corner by her table. And she said that he had long hair and feathers in his hair. And he didn't have a shirt on. And that's about, you know, all she said about him, other than he was gonna get her. She just kept saying, he's gonna get me, he's gonna get me. I don't know why he would get her, but.

• 44:50Wes Germer?

  And the other day when we spoke, we didn't really go into it, but the, the home itself, was it on a Native American burial ground?

• 44:59Speaker 03

  Well, that's what we thought. After we saw that cemetery and saw that, that museum, we're like, man, they put us up here in a burial ground. It had to be. With all the stuff that was going on, and then the Indian guy in our daughter's room. I mean, that's the only thing that would make sense to us, is that they had put us, you know, that they, they built this house on sacred land. I mean, literally Joshua Tree National Monument was like across the street. So I don't, I don't really know the history of Joshua Tree, but

• 45:37Speaker 03

  I know that it's, was a very big Native American area. That whole area was. And we were, gosh, we were, I want to say, five miles, six miles from the base up a, up a mountainside, up to where the monument starts.

• 45:56Wes Germer?

  Yeah. And the, uh, the realtor person saying they don't have to tell you if it's haunted or not. I'm sure that was the case back in 1989. I believe now they have to tell you. I could be wrong on that. You know, when you very first sent me that email and you were talking about that room being ice, ice cold. My first thought was, this place is haunted. Did you ever try to heat up that room?

• 46:22Speaker 03

  No, we never messed with that room. We absolutely, other than opening the door and getting drinks out of it, we never went in that room. From the moment we, we rented the house and got in the house, and I walked into that room, I was like, no, I am not staying in this room. I, it's not happening. And it was ice cold. I mean, the drinks that we, we sat in there in, I mean, drinks back then didn't really come, if you bought them, you bought them in like a cardboard flat. And we would stack the cardboard flats in there.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  And you'd go in to get a drink, a juice out or, or a soda out. I'm a Pepsi drinker. You know, you'd go to get a Pepsi out and it would have ice slivers in it. That's how cold that room was. You could literally see your breath when you walked in it. It was, it was nasty cold in that room.

• 47:22Wes Germer?

  You often hear that in hauntings where the room just gets ice cold. Why that happens? I don't know. I wonder why the entity was only appearing to your daughter and not to everyone else?

• 47:37Speaker 03

  Maybe she was, she was little. And maybe she was susceptible to it because she was little. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, we opened the, we opened the blinds one night to get wood and take the trash out. And there were literal wolves standing in the carport, looking in the sliding glass doors. Massive wolves. And we were like, nope. And just closed the blinds back. That, that place was crazy. You couldn't go outside at night because the, the coyotes and the wolves would come down from, from the monument. It was, it was crazy.

• 48:16Wes Germer?

  You know, I've heard many hauntings where someone, for example, will be on a couch and they'll be like, yeah, this lamp turned on, but the lamp isn't plugged in. And even with the cost of energy, I, I don't think I would, uh, exchange that to, to live there. I wonder if that place still exists?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  I tried to look it up, but to be honest with you, Wes, other than Utah Trail, which is the mountain or the road that goes up in, into there, that area, I could not find it. But they have built, I mean, this is 2026. They have built so much stuff up there. My ex said the house no longer exists. So I don't know if they tore it down and built like a welcome center or whatever up there. I know that there's like a casino up there now and some restaurants and some other stuff. So I don't know. And that's just the stuff that I was looking at today. But I could not find the road that we lived on. I could not

• 49:21Speaker 03

  find it up there anymore. When I was looking today on the map.

• 49:26Wes Germer?

  Yeah. Well, I'm glad you guys decided to leave. It sounds like one of those situations where the longer you're there, the worse it gets.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  It was getting worse. It was getting a lot worse. And it was especially getting worse for me. I was, I, I did not want to lose my child to whatever. So we got out, I got out and then he got out. He stayed, he stayed after I left until she could get us the other place, which is why I was back home for almost a month. I don't remember him saying anything about anything that happened while he was there and we were gone. I just know that, you know, he had those nightmares of the giant black bear and dealing with our daughter. And then of course, the disruption with the lights and the water and the gas. And the

• 50:21Speaker 03

  wolves, it, it was just too much.

• 50:26Wes Germer?

  I'm with you. I would have been the same way. I've been like, I'm out of here. And I really appreciate sharing it. Like I said, when I read your email, I thought, man, I really want to chat with you and, and hear it firsthand. And none of this is Bigfoot related, but I ask everyone, and what do you think Bigfoot is?

• 50:47Speaker 03

  What do I think Bigfoot is? Um, I, I, I actually started laughing when you asked my husband that question. Um, because I knew it was coming.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  I personally have to wonder if Bigfoot is not something that survived. That all the scientists say doesn't exist, you know, it died out years, you know, however many years ago. I don't think it died out. I think it remained. I think it remained hidden. And I have to wonder if it's possibly not the missing link between humans and primates.

• 51:25Wes Germer?

  Yeah, a lot of people say that. And I can understand why they say that, you know, when people run into these things and they get a good look at the face. They'll say it was somewhere between a man and an animal. Even Alan, you know, your husband describing what your trend described what he saw. It looks human, but it's not human. The last thing I want to ask you about is this light that you saw on your property out there in North Carolina.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  Our little property, um, it's about an acre and a tent and our backyard butts up against a creek. And then our front yard, we have about a four, three and a half, four acre pond. Like 17 steps from my front door. We have, we were staying in our motor home because our house had gotten damaged in Florence. And we were rebuilding our home. So we were staying in our motor home and I have a medical condition that ends up putting me in a lot of pain and that pain usually comes at nighttime.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  So I was sitting up one night and I was sitting at the dining room table of the motor home. And there's big glass windows to the left of me. And this light, it was about, I don't, about two o'clock in the morning. And this light catches my eye. And I turn and I'm looking out, but the window's open, you know, the screen's there, but the window itself was open. And I'm looking at this light and it's about the same height as like the streetlights. And it's an amber ball. And it's going up and down this tree. And I'm like, what is that? And I'm watching it and I'm watching it and it goes down to the ground.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  And then it goes back up the tree and then it moves to the tree beside it. And it does the same thing to that tree, almost like it was scanning the tree. And I was like, what in the HE double hockey stick? So I get my phone out and I'm trying to record it. I was doing everything I could to record this ball of light. For whatever reason, I was not hitting the record button or I was stopping it. I don't know what I was doing. But I got extremely freaked out. I mean, extremely freaked out. The area is like, there's no way it could have been a person or a flashlight or anything like that. The area is like heavily.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  I don't want to say wooded, but it's like vines and undergrowth and just all kinds of. They're called Merkel bushes and they're an absolute nightmare in this region. But they just, they grow and then they sprout like a root and then another one will grow from the root and then it just keeps going. And it creates this thick undergrowth along with briars and just all kinds of stuff. You basically have to have a machete to hack your way through it. And then you have the trees growing up out of it, right? Well, because of storm damage, we've got down trees and stuff in that whole thing behind the house that we just haven't gotten to yet.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  So it's going down into that underbrush. And then going back up and it's, it's not moving fast, but it's not moving slow either. And then I got freaked and I went and got my husband out of bed. And I was like, come here, come here, come here. And he comes in there and I'm like, what is that? And he's like, I don't know. And I'm like, Alan, seriously? I'm freaked out. What is that? And he's like, I don't know. And I'm like, dude, that is not a drone. What, you know, what in the F is that? I was, I was getting ugly because I was freaked out. I mean freaked out.

• 55:29Speaker 03

  And he's like, I don't know. I'm going back to bed. I was like, seriously? You just left me out here? You're just like, gonna leave me with the alien ball of light? What in the wide world of sports? That's our saying. But he, he just went back to bed. And then the next morning, I'm still sitting at the table, still tripping. And I'm like, Alan, what was that? And he's like, I don't, I don't have any idea. But it went, it like took a final downward movement toward the creek, toward the water. And then it just shot straight back up and was gone. And I mean, it shot up. Just like lickety split, gone.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  And I stayed sitting at that table. I did not move. I still had my phone out. I was still trying to record it. Nothing, nothing. I, I did not record anything. I didn't take a photo. I didn't record. I didn't do anything, but I still have my phone in my hand pointed at it. I tried. And I don't know if I was just shaking or, or if I was just losing it. I don't know. But it ended up being from the time that I first saw it, which was around 2:15, 2:30 to the time that I woke him up was almost 4:30, between four and 4:30 in the morning. And he's like, I gotta get up and go to work in like two hours. I'm going back to bed.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  He didn't care. So that's like, he just left me with the aliens.

• 56:57Wes Germer?

  And I might've missed it, but how big do you think this thing was?

• 57:02Speaker 03

  I would say that it was probably about the size of a

• 57:09Speaker 03

  I don't want to say basketball because it wasn't that big. So it was kind of between a softball and a basketball. And it was amber in color. It wasn't, but it was bright. It was very, very bright. Like, you know, when you look at it, you know how you get that halo effect where it has like streams coming off of it? It had that halo effect where if you look straight at it, you would get like the halo around it and the streams coming off of it. So it was very bright. It was not a little, a little ball. And I had, we haven't seen anything since then. I mean, we've seen stuff flying overhead really fast.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  But as my husband has said, we, we're close to the military and we're close to the airport and they fly military craft out of our airport sometimes. So I couldn't tell you if it was a jet flying in overhead or what, it was too far away, but it moved awful quick to be a jet. And I mean awful quick and that, and that was me, my husband and my best friend were standing out in the front yard and when we saw that. And all three of us were like, what is that? And it was moving like extremely fast and then like taking extreme turns, like a 90 degree right or a 90 degree left or like just stopping. And then it would just take off again.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  But it was really high altitude. Really high. I don't know what it was, but you know, it could, like I said, it could have something to do with the airport. And that may be why we're seeing things where we're at is because of the airport. I don't know. Maybe they're checking out the military that fly in and out of there. Um, I, I cannot tell you. I don't know. But I know that what I saw was not a normal aircraft. And I know it wasn't a drone and I know it wasn't a flashlight and it wasn't somebody climbing trees in my backyard.

• 59:09Wes Germer?

  I, I think there's a ramping up of people seeing the lights. I get several emails on a weekly basis just about the lights. And I wish I had a great answer for people on what it is. But I really appreciate you coming on. I enjoyed chatting with both you and Alan. Thank you so much for coming on.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Oh, you're welcome.

• 59:32Wes Germer?

  And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.