SC EP:1229 The Playground At Night

Brayden who is from Washington State writes "I recently moved to a new property with my girlfriend to help care for my grandfather as he gets older, and I've started noticing some strange activity around the property. I'm mainly looking for insight into what this could be. It began with an odd sixth sense feeling like I was being watched. I work a swing shift, so I get home late, and I'd often feel uneasy when pulling into the driveway. At first, I brushed it off as nerves from being in a new place. Then the noises started. The first incident happened while I was at work. My girlfriend called me, shaken, saying that something was walking outside the house and breathing heavily. I told her it was probably a buck looking for a doe since it was mating season, which seemed reasonable at the time. Not long after, one weekend night, we were both woken up by chattering sounds coming from two different directions. We just lay there frozen in bed, listening. Another incident involved tapping on the side of the house, which I was able to record." Curtis writes "My twin brother and I had an intense encounter with a group of three Sasquatches back in the summer of 1983." After speaking with the eyewitness, he explained that in 1983, he and five other kids were playing in the woods, pretending to be in a war game. He recalled that three large creatures emerged from behind the school, stepping out from the tree line. The creatures walked right past him, his twin brother, and their friends. At first, he mistook the creatures for his brother and friends, but upon a closer look, It wasn't his brother. He said they weren't as big as he had initially imagined they were nothing like the giant figures typically described or even like Patty."

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya!

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out of here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:32Speaker 04

  This is Nenka from Cold Lake, Alberta, Canada. You are listening to, in my opinion, the best place to share your encounter stories, Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:14Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show. Tonight, we'll be speaking with Brayden. And Brayden comes to us from Washington State. He's actually just north of me. And I know the area well. It's notorious for sightings. I've had many eyewitnesses on over the years from this area. And he moved into this home, kind of help his grandfather out. His grandfather's getting older in years and he's there just trying to help him out. And Brayden told me, he goes, you know, when I very first moved in, a lot of really weird things started happening around this property. And I'm not really a big believer in Bigfoot, but I'm not really sure what's going on here. So I asked him to come on the show and kind

• 2:57Wes Germer?

  of share what's been happening at that property. We're also going to be chatting with Curtis. And about 40 years ago, he was, he's in Northern California. He's playing hide and go seek with his brother and his friends. Three other individuals showed up while they were playing this game. But they weren't kids and they weren't human. And I'll kind of let Curtis go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional

• 3:38Wes Germer?

  shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Brayden to the show. Brayden, thanks for coming on.

• 3:47Speaker 06

  Hey, no problem. Appreciate you having me.

• 3:49Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you moved into this property. It was your grandfather's, or it still is your grandfather's property. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were some of the things that you noticed right off the bat? And what's been happening since you've been there?

• 4:04Speaker 06

  So my grandpa has this property. He's probably lived here about thirty years, something like that. He had some renters, because it's just him. He had some renters who were, you know, helping him out financially. He doesn't get a lot. So when they moved out, he kinda needed someone to move in and help take care of the place and him. So I took the opportunity and me and my girlfriend moved in, started helping him out with rent and stuff. I started getting, I got this feeling, because I work night shift, I work swing shift, so I get home at two o'clock in the morning every morning. And at first, I kinda just chalked it up to it, oh, it's a new environment, you know, I'm uncomfortable because it's, you know, dark and super quiet and

• 4:50Speaker 06

  it like this kept growing and growing. This is feeling of like someone just staring down my back. It'd be whenever I pull in the driveway. So I'd like pull down the driveway and the way that I park, I have like this transformer, like an in-ground transformer about thirty feet away. And then I pull down this little driveway, it's like adjacent to the house. And then I stare towards this big open field on the, in the field, a little bit past it, there's some trees. And then to my left, there's some trees. So it's just, you know, kinda just like a field surrounded by trees. I just would, you know, sit in my truck and I'd look at my windshield in my window and just feel like there's something watching me.

• 5:34Speaker 06

  I actually just started talking to my girlfriend about it and she's like, yeah, you know, I was getting that feeling too, because she leaves really early in the morning. She's like, I don't really like getting in my car in the morning, because I told her, I was like, oh, you should let your car warm up. Because she's not really a car person. She used to just hop in it and go. And I was like, well, you should probably let it warm up a little bit. She's like, I don't like sitting here. It got to the point where I was so uncomfortable that I would actually call my girlfriend and wake her up at two o'clock in the morning. So she would come outside because I didn't want to get out of my truck anymore. And that, I'm the type of person who, you know, I climb in machinery all day and that's active and, you know, I hunt all the time.

• 6:17Speaker 06

  And I'm a bushwhacker, so you know, I just walk through the bush, never have a problem with it, but I've never had a feeling like this, ever. It's just like something staring into your soul. I actually went out and bought a rifle and kept it in my truck and that, you know, kind of made me feel better a little bit. Then one night, me and my girlfriend were laying in bed and it was after I got home. So I just got off work, laid down for a little bit and not even a half hour later, I kind of was just laying and staring at the ceiling, I guess, trying to fall asleep. And it sounded like something was shuffling outside and my girlfriend has passed out at this point and I kind of like nudged her awake.

• 7:02Speaker 06

  I was like, do you hear that? And she's like, what? And then listened. And then we could hear this like murmuring. She's like, is that someone talking? And I'm like, why would someone be out here at, you know, two thirty in the morning at this point outside our, you know, house whispering? And it kept getting closer and closer to like our bedroom area. And the way our room is, is there's a window on either side of it. So you can be on either side, but we always have the curtains drawn. So I'm sitting there and I'm listening and it's on my right and then I hear it on my left. I'm kind of sitting there, I'm like, what the heck? How is it on both sides? And then I thought about it, you know, kind of half awake at this point.

• 7:47Speaker 06

  Is there two of these things out there? You know what I mean? Like, what is this? In my head, I'm thinking, okay, there's two people on our property at two o'clock in the morning. But we have the ring cameras that detect movement. And if you come down the driveways, it's gonna see you. And there's only one blind spot and that's to like, we have a pond on our property and it's towards the pond. And then past the pond is like a little bit of a field, probably a hundred yards wide and then warehouse. I don't know if everyone knows what warehouse is, but it's like thousands of acres of just timberland. And that's like the only side that doesn't have a camera on it.

• 8:29Wes Germer?

  And out of respect for you and your grandfather, I won't say what town you guys are in, but as you're going down I five, if you blink, you'll miss it. And so I don't see anyone coming up to the you guys' window at night. What was it you guys were hearing? Was it people moving around and like mumbling?

• 8:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was like people were walking around and it sounded like someone mumbling. It's like, I don't even really know how to describe it. It's just like, like that, like it was like a deep tone, but it was quiet. That's why we were thinking it was a person. I was like, I don't really know any animal that would make a noise like that. It's like it was investigating what was going on because I mean, we're new, I guess we're new people. And this is within, I don't know, probably three weeks of us moving in, which it was still summer at this point. It was just creepy. I didn't really want to move because I didn't know what it was. I had my rifle at this point, but it was in the living room and I didn't want to get up and go get it.

• 9:36Speaker 06

  So I started sleeping with the rifle in my room. We'll put it like that. And then probably a week after that, I still got that feeling coming in the door like something's breathing down your neck. And it's only when you're sitting in the truck, the sitting there, it feels like something's staring at you. You get out and you feel fine until you turn your back to open that door. And then you turn your back to open that door and it's like it's something sprinting at you. It's like a wall, I suppose. And it's just the creepiest feeling. But the feeling just persisted for a little bit and then I'll have to send you this recording. But one day I was laying in bed and I heard something walking around again.

• 10:20Speaker 06

  And my girlfriend was just passed out at this point. I tried to wake her up. She was just not having it. So I was like, okay, whatever. So I put my phone on record. I set it down on the end table and I just, you know, kind of laid there trying to be as quiet as I could. And I actually caught something tap, tap, tap on the walls. It was, yeah, it was terrifying. I was like, what the heck? Cause I was like, okay, animal maybe walking around it there, but then it tapped. And then about four minutes later, it tapped again and it was this tap, tap, tap. But the tapping moved. So I knew it wasn't something in the house. It's like it just tapped the wall on the outside. It's like. Well, you can't hear that, but it's just like a tapping and.

• 11:06Speaker 06

  At first I was like, okay, maybe it was me. And then I was like, no, that was definitely outside on the recording. And I showed it to my coworkers and like, it's pretty quiet on the recording. So we all got in my truck and like turned up the stereo. And just listen to it. And they're like, that is creepy, man. And I'm like, I know. Cause I'd kind of been telling them about it at this point. They're the ones that encouraged me to get like a rifle. Cause they were like, oh, it might be like a cougar or something stalking me. And I was like, okay, it makes sense. I come home at the same time every day. You know, I'm all by myself. And then, you know, I started putting two and two together. Cause I started watching your podcast and I was like.

• 11:47Speaker 06

  When I get home, it is really quiet. Like. I mentioned the transformer box earlier. It's about fifty feet away and I can hear that humming when I get out of my truck. Like it is dead silent. And I don't remember if I told you or not. You don't have to put this in if you don't want to, but I don't remember if I told you or not. About my girlfriend calling me about the the coyotes. I was at work one night and my girlfriend called me. Cause we we have coyotes in the area. There's also like a a wolf sanctuary sanctuary type thing. So it's not unusual to hear like coyotes howling and stuff, but she called me one night, kind of freaked out. Cause I I was taking my rifle with me to work at this point. Cause I like keeping it in my truck for when I got out at night. And she called me and she's like.

• 12:33Speaker 06

  Hey, it sounds like these coyotes are killing something. And I was like, okay, it's probably just another animal or something. She's like. No, it sounds like. A dying bird or dog. It's like something like yipping and howling. And she's like, I don't know what it is. And I was like. Okay, well, it's probably gonna be over in like two minutes. Cause if it's a pack of coyotes, I mean. It's gonna kill something pretty quick. So I was like, okay, it's probably gonna be over pretty quick. And then she's like, no, it's been going on for like ten minutes. And I was like, what? I was like, that's a pretty long time for a pack, because it's a pretty big pack out here. I've been kinda looking into it, because I wanna start hunting them.

• 13:17Speaker 06

  Because, uh, the neighbors down the road, they're getting their calves and stuff are getting killed by them. So, like I said, pretty big herd, or pack, I guess. So I was like, well, I don't know what it is. Uh, I guess I'll try to check it out when I get home. And she said it went on for like another couple of minutes after that, and then it just stopped. But she said it was the most unusual sound of something getting killed that she's ever heard in her life. She's like, it just sounded like they were tearing something up. After that, she started making me leave my rifle at home, because she didn't feel comfortable.

• 13:55Speaker 06

  And then, the reason I emailed you was, the night that I emailed you, I got, I like, was sitting in my truck, and you know, I was getting that feeling again, because it kinda went away for a little bit. Because we started having, the freezing started, so it started getting in the twenties and thirties. The feeling just kinda went away, and I was like, okay, well, maybe I'm just used to living here. Maybe it was an animal, you know, kinda just doubting myself. And you know, telling my coworkers at work, they're kinda making fun of me, you know how that goes. You know, oh yeah, you got, you got a cryptid on your land, and, you know, it's gonna get ya. You know, just how it goes. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and I was like, and then it went away. So I was like, okay, maybe I'm in my head. Well, recently, my girlfriend actually came to me with this.

• 14:40Speaker 06

  She's like, you starting to get that feeling again, aren't ya? And I was like, uh, a little bit, yeah, because it started warming up. Again, because now it's probably in the forties and fifties and sixties. And she's like, yeah, me too. And I was like, oh, okay, maybe we're just becoming paranoid again. And the night that I emailed you, I was sitting in my truck, I just got home. I kinda got that feeling like someone was watching me, and I was just kinda scanning the tree line, starting from my driver's side window out to my windshield. At first, I didn't see anything, so I kinda looked down and started grabbing my lunch pail and stuff, and I caught something out of the corner of my eye.

• 15:19Speaker 06

  And I kinda glanced up, and then I saw two eyes staring at me up in a tree, on the, on the other side of this field. And I was like, what the heck?

• 15:33Speaker 06

  I was like, okay, raccoon. And I'm like, well, those are pretty far apart for a raccoon. And I don't remember raccoons having red eyes. And I grew up on a farm as well. So I always hunted raccoons because they would kill my ducks and chickens. So I was like, pretty familiar with them. And I, I mean, I, I think they can have red eyes. I think. In some cases, but I was like, that's too high up and too far spread apart. Like the eyes are just farther apart. And I was like, this got this feeling like,

• 16:07Speaker 06

  I don't even.

• 16:11Speaker 06

  I don't know how to describe it.

• 16:14Speaker 06

  Just like,

• 16:17Speaker 06

  like, I just needed to get inside that, that second. And it was this, the feeling of,

• 16:23Speaker 06

  I need to protect my girlfriend because I knew that she was sleeping and I wanted to leave. But she leaves the door unlocked for me. So I can come in at night because we didn't get a set of keys from him. My grandpa lost him a long time ago and we live so far out here. I don't really worry about it. Well, she leaves the door unlocked and I was just like, no, I, I gotta get out and go inside. So I got out and I walked over to the door, just my eyes locked on it. And the way the door is, you have to turn to reach up to open the door to, and then climb up the stairs. So I reach up and I turn my body away and I open the door and oh, it felt like something was sprinting at me. Like it was this fight or flight at that point. It was terrifying.

• 17:09Wes Germer?

  Did you get your rifle and go back out to investigate those eyes?

• 17:13Speaker 06

  No, I don't want to go over there. I'm good.

• 17:17Wes Germer?

  How far away from you were these red eyes that you were seeing?

• 17:23Speaker 06

  Maybe a hundred yards.

• 17:25Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I just don't see a raccoon like striking the fear in you as you're getting out of your truck. Uh, you know, red eye shine, I would imagine is possible with raccoons. You would almost have to have the right lighting conditions to get kind of that red eye shine. And you know that you're an experienced guy, you grew up on a farm. Most of the time raccoons, their eyes are going to be kind of an orange amber color or white. I don't know that I've ever seen red eyes from a raccoon. But again, I would imagine it's possible, you know, if you had the right lighting conditions. How big were these eyes that you were looking at?

• 18:05Speaker 06

  Um, the thing is at this point, my truck had done shut off, so my headlights were off and thinking back to it now. It is kind of weird because the only light around me was the shop, which is way behind me, probably another hundred yards behind me. And it's just a little shop light that lights up the door, you know, I'm talking about like a porch light. But for me to be able to see these eyes, I never saw a figure or anything. Cause it was one of those new moon nights or well, it was, it was dark out. I know it was really dark. It might've been like a half moon. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but it was, I could kind of see the ground out there. And then I just saw these two eyes.

• 18:51Speaker 06

  I don't know where they would have got the light from to shine, maybe the moon. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I don't know. It was definitely high enough up where I knew it wasn't like a deer or something. Cause I know how the, the tree sits right there. And yeah, for it to be kind of level with my head, with me sitting in there. Cause I have a three inch lift on my, my F three 50 on 34s. So, I mean, for it to be sitting level with me, kind of spooked me out.

• 19:24Wes Germer?

  That is unnerving. So it's not like these eyes were like 50 feet up in the tree. I mean, it's pretty level with you, but still pretty high up with that truck you have. How big were those eyes?

• 19:37Speaker 06

  They, they seemed decent sized. Honestly, like they didn't seem like little tiny cat or raccoon eyes. They seemed bigger, like a predator. Cause you'll notice with like big cats and bears, they usually have bigger eyes to let more light in so they can see at night. And they seemed bigger like that. That's the only time I've seen them. My girlfriend told me that she has had a spook where she saw some red eyes out there. And I wasn't home at the time because she had got off work because a certain, she gets home about 6:30. So it's still dark out when she gets home with this time of year. And she's like, oh, I saw some red eyes. And I was like, oh yeah,

• 20:21Speaker 06

  it's probably like, you know, a cougar's, well, the cougars usually have yellow eyes, but I was like, it's probably just, you know, something else that I, you know, don't be worried about it. You're fine. Raccoon or a coyote or something. But she's like, I don't think so. I don't know. I should have believed her, I guess.

• 20:44Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you definitely should have. You know where I would start is with your grandfather? Have you ever sat down to talk with him about what's been going on around this property?

• 20:55Speaker 06

  Um, honestly, I haven't. He's kind of a really quiet and reserved guy, but I've been talking to my girlfriend about it because I've been talking, I've been kind of hesitant to email you. I don't know why. But I was like, hey, I want to email this guy because I think this is going on. And she's like, thinking about it. There's no cameras on that side of the house. And I was like, yeah. She's like, that's where all the apple trees are because we have apple trees. And we also grow grapes, but they're all on that side of the house without cameras. And she's like, and she's like, have you ever seen your grandpa outside at night? And I'm like, well, thinking back to it, a couple of years ago, me and him were digging a pond on his property with tractors.

• 21:36Speaker 06

  And we had gotten this tractor kind of stuck in the mud because it's all clay out here. And I was like, okay, hey, let's go grab the truck and pull it out real quick, you know? We're already all muddy and stuff and it was just starting to get dark and he's like, nope, let's go inside. And I was like, well, it could sink deeper overnight. He's like, oh, it's fine. So it was just odd to me that he just wanted to go inside so quick and he always carries a pistol on him. And it's always, he always carries a 45 on him on his property, no matter what. Yeah, it's just weird to me.

• 22:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I would probably start there first with your grandfather. Go get a bottle of whiskey, sit down with him and have a real conversation. And he'll probably open up and tell you about some of the things that have happened around there. Everything you're describing around this property sounds like they're there. You know, that feeling of dread, that feeling of being watched, these weird red eyes that you're seeing. Uh, things are tapping on your home. You know, one thing that I think is weird with Sasquatch, and you'll often hear this with eyewitnesses who have these things on their property. They'll often say, you know, I'm laying in bed and on the wall on the outside,

• 22:55Wes Germer?

  something starts tapping, something starts scratching, uh, slaps against a home. People will report this mumbling that they hear. To me, it sounds like they're there. One thing I wanted to ask you about that mumbling. Did it sound like the Sierra sounds?

• 23:15Speaker 06

  Um, kind of, but imagine that, but like super quiet. Almost a really faint whisper, just enough where you can hear it. But if you were like, I don't know, had a TV on or something you would, you would never know.

• 23:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah, like I said, I would start with your grandfather first. And you know, one thing that you can do, if you want to get them to back off, go buy cheap lights and you can get cheap ones off Amazon. You know, I know when you're living out there in the country, that's the last thing you want to do is really light up your property like a football stadium. But for whatever reason, eyewitnesses report that when you light a place up like that, it gets them to back off. And it might help you, you know, when you're trying to go out to your truck or coming in or making your girlfriend feel more comfortable. I think they'll back off 95% of the time, they'll back off when you light the place up.

• 24:16Wes Germer?

  A secondary option you can do is go buy game cams and put them around the property. And the cheaper, the better. I mean, go to Amazon, buy like a four pack. The cheaper, the better. I highly doubt you'll capture anything. But they, you know, according to eyewitnesses, they back off once you start putting those up. But your grandfather must know something. I mean, there's no way he lived there all those years and doesn't know what's going on. I would definitely start with him.

• 24:48Speaker 06

  Right. And what's weird to me is, uh, since my grandma died, probably five years ago, he is like closed off most of the house. And he lives in like these three rooms and he actually doesn't have windows in them. Like you will not go in parts of the house at night with windows in it. Because you have like, the kitchen has windows. And he has that like doored off. And then he has like this little man cave room, which had windows, but he put stuff, there's like a wraparound porch, he put stuff against the windows. And then his bedroom is blocked off too. Like he put shutters on it. Which I remember when I was younger, there, those windows are always open.

• 25:31Wes Germer?

  You know, even when people won't tell you anything, you can always look at their behavior. And it says more than they'll ever say. One of the very first properties I ever investigated. I remember I walked into this old lady's home and she had blankets over, I mean, really thick blankets over every window. And I thought, hmm, okay, well, let's have a conversation. How long have you guys been there, Brayden?

• 25:59Speaker 06

  Eight months now. Like, it's not been that long. That's why at first I was like, oh, maybe it's just something curious about us because there's new scent in the area. But it's to the point where I'm not really

• 26:12Speaker 06

  feeling that anymore.

• 26:16Wes Germer?

  Yeah, well, the bad news is I think that they're there. The good news is you can make them go away. And I don't have any love for Sasquatch, so if people want to shoot them, I'm all for it. The only time I tell people not to shoot at them is when it's actually on their property. You know, you can be a big for researcher and go off to your research location and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and shoot all you want. But you get to go home. But when you do that on your property, home's about 100 yards away and they know you're there. They know they've watched you shoot at them. And things can go south pretty quick. But I would really recommend that you put up some lights that you,

• 26:59Wes Germer?

  I mean, I would light that place up and I can't guarantee I would put a lot of money on the bet that they'll back off. The red eye shine, was that the last thing that happened there?

• 27:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, and that was Monday. So that was the last thing that happened for now. I'm just, I just know that I've been listening to your podcast for a little bit now and I know how, what usually happens next. And that's what I fear the most, I suppose.

• 27:28Wes Germer?

  You're talking about a sighting, actually seeing the creature?

• 27:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:34Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it usually starts out this way. It starts out with the things that you're describing and it's unnerving and I, and I would be unnerved in that situation. Usually when it starts this way, people think their place is haunted. Uh, the tapping on the walls, the scratching on the walls, the slaps on the home. This weird red eye shine that they're seeing. Uh, that feeling of being watched all the time. It usually does ramp up to a sighting. The good news though, I think if they were going to hurt you, they would have done it a long, long time ago. Your easy pickings coming out from the home to your truck, from your truck back to the home.

• 28:18Wes Germer?

  There's plenty of opportunity to harm you if they really wanted to, and they haven't yet. Prior to all this happening to you, what was kind of your take on Bigfoot?

• 28:30Speaker 06

  Um, when I was younger, you know, I, I believed in it. So I was like, eh, it's cool. It's might be real. Like I'm sure people are seeing something, but I don't know. But now I'm, I'm pretty convinced. I'm pretty convinced. And I think I know why they go through our property. Our property is like the only one where it's just like a field. That's like completely surrounded by trees and then there's another set of like forest, I guess. It's kind of like a bog because we live by a lake and it's like all trees to the lake. So it's warehouse, our property, more trees, and then the lake.

• 29:14Speaker 06

  So I have a feeling that whatever it is, is trying to get to the lake at night and we're just kind of the pass through.

• 29:25Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it could be, it could be that they're passing through and stopping when you guys are coming and going and I honestly would try the lights. I would light the place up. You have to let me know if you do that. Let me know if it, if it works for you or not. I got a good feeling that they will back off. Uh, let me ask you, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take?

• 29:52Speaker 06

  Um, I think it's flesh and blood. I think it's an animal, just like anything else. Um, some of the stuff is unexplained to me, but I think eventually we will figure it out. In my lifetime, I don't know. Eventually, I'd imagine we'd figure out what it is. Cause I mean, everything, if you look at animals as a different subspecies, we're humans. And then you have like primates. And then I'm thinking there's another step in there, if that makes sense. Not necessarily the lost link, but like this another side species.

• 30:36Speaker 06

  They're like us, but they don't live in civilization. They made their own way, if that makes sense.

• 30:44Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that does make sense. That makes complete sense, Brayden. And you know, when you're out there, try some of the ideas I've thrown at you. It's what I would do if it was my property. I would start with the lights. I would start with, uh, cheap game cams. And if none of that works, give me a call. I have five other ideas to throw at you. And you have my cell phone. Give me a call anytime. If you ever have any questions, I'm not sure I can answer them, but I'll, I'll give it my best try and be safe out there, brother. But thank you again for coming on.

• 31:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, no problem. I appreciate you having me.

• 31:42Wes Germer?

  Next up on the show, I want to welcome Curtis. Curtis, thanks for coming on.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  For having me on your show.

• 31:51Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I really appreciate you being here. And you had this encounter back in nineteen eighty-three in Northern California. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing and what happened?

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I guess I could start out that I have an identical twin brother. We're actually involved with doing a playing like a hide and go seek game. You know, slash war games, I guess, because there's like a team of three on each side. There's just two teams. So there were six of us all together. So that's what we were doing. We just decided to play because we didn't have anything back then in eighty-three. We didn't have any, um, we didn't have any computer games or nothing like that. So we kind of had to make up our own entertainment. So we just came to why those are the town's called Waireca, California, about twenty miles south of, uh, of the Oregon border.

• 32:47Speaker 03

  But that whole mountain range is, uh, basically it's got, it's got about three or four other, um, national forests, uh, on that same mountain range. And that goes all the way from the middle of the state and it goes all the way to the coast where it goes to the redwoods. And there's just little, small, little villages and stuff mixed into that whole mountain range, you know, a lot of, there's some Indian tribes and stuff like that. Um, but there's no, no major towns at all. There's just little, small communities. Um, we just got, we just came to the town. We just, my aunt was, happened to be living there. And we had never actually been in Waireca, except for passing through and getting gas and that's it. We didn't know the town at all.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  So we showed up, my aunt lived in a, in a, an apartment complex and just in a small community area. And the town was only, um, it only had like thirty-five hundred people at the time. And it's doubled since, but, um, the apartment complex that we were staying in was just, uh, maybe an eighth of a mile or even less, whatever, maybe if, uh, five, six hundred yards away or whatever you want to call it, but, um, where we were located right next to the edge of the forest. Now, next door to my, where my aunt was living was a, uh, an elementary school from grades of one through six or something like that. And I only mention that school because that's where we actually had our encounter. It was already at nighttime. It was real hot during

• 34:15Speaker 03

  that summer. It was the summer of eighty-three. The school, behind the school is a, uh, is a playground and it has some lights for nighttime, if you're out there playing at night. But on the very west side of the whole perimeter of the school is a, just a field of, uh, is a soccer field slash baseball field. When we, when we decided to play this game, we just met up with a couple of other brothers that were just happened to be in the neighborhood just a couple of days prior to that. And, uh, we'd only been, we've only been in town for about a week, a week and a half anyways, at this, at this particular time. It was just that one night, uh, in the evening, basically. It was about seven or eight at

• 34:55Speaker 03

  night when they, when the two brothers came over to, uh, to visit us. And it was one of the two brothers that actually suggested that we play this, um, game of war or, uh, hide and seek or whatever you want to call it. But, so, yeah, so me and my brother decided, yeah, okay, let's just go for it, I guess. And then we also recruited my younger sister and she had, uh, like a temporary boyfriend that just, that she just started, just messed around with too. But, um, so now, when we started to play this game, it was already about eight, it was probably eight, eight-thirty maybe at night. The sun was already gone down with the, there was no wind or nothing. It was just totally, there's nothing but bright lights from the stars. So we had a lot of ambient lighting. We got school lights

• 35:39Speaker 03

  also that was giving us pretty good lights. So the only rules we had in this game is we had to stay within the, um, the property of the, of the school. And we can also be on the other side of the fence, there's a big chain link fence on the west, western perimeter of the school. And that's an eight, eight to ten foot chain link fence. That whole piece of property is owned by the city of Waireka. It's all undeveloped. There's nothing but just tall weeds and grass. A lot of, uh, there's some shrubbery around. There's a few, few trees, just small trees, some fallen small trees. There's a lot of rolling hills, little rolling, um, dirt mounds as well. But it was all pretty tall grass and weeds also.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  So now my team's laying down by the baseball diamond and now my brother's laying, his team are laying down basically facing right where we were, you know, just cat a corner from where we were at. Now my brother and them, like I said, they were just sitting there. They were there for about five minutes, just like we were before we noticed anything. But right out of the shadows of the, between the school and those two, the two little storage sheds for the maintenance workers came walking three figures, just came walking right out and going right straight towards the, towards the eight, the eight foot chain link fence. Now for them to do that, they had to walk right in front of where my brother and his team were laying down. So now my brother and them, they could, they could see

• 37:06Speaker 03

  these Sasquatches. They're only like 50 to 70 feet at the most, maybe 60 feet or so. But, but they just walked right straight past, were walking straight past my brother's team. My brother and then they're, well, they're staring at him first, but then they, they witnessed these, these creatures just walking right straight through the field, probably good 10 seconds or 15 seconds by the time they got to the, the chain link fence. These creatures were about, I would say between 6'2" to 6'5" at the most. When these Bigfoots got to the fence, one of them was about two, maybe a couple inches taller than the others, the other two that were there. The biggest one out of the, out of

• 37:48Speaker 03

  the three, just lifted up its, its hands and just, um, just grabbed a hold of the top of that fence. And like I said, that was an eight to, eight to 10 foot high chain link fence. And he just grabbed a hold of the fence and just, just jumped itself right over without, without even putting his feet on the, on the chain link at all. He just, did it all in one motion, just jumped right over. The other two Sasquatches, they just, um, they decided to walk around. They walked all the way back down, down the fence line back towards the property line of the apartment complex. And they, all they had, all they had to do is just walk right around the fence. Cause there's no, there's just nothing but a post right there. So there's, now they're, they're, all three of them are on the other,

• 38:29Speaker 03

  on that, um, that property that's owned by the city. So now that's my brother's side of the story. Now back to where I was at, I was the same thing. I was, I, me and my team were right there. My sister was on the left hand side of me and then on the left side of her was her, her boyfriend. So then all of a sudden, my sister nudges me and says that she sees the other team. So, and this is the same, these are the same three figures that was walking from the corner of the side of the school. By the time they were coming into the field, we could see him, but I, I, we couldn't see him as well as my brother, cause I was about, I was at least a good hundred feet away from these creatures at the time. So all I could see is these

• 39:13Speaker 03

  three shadows walking across the field, going towards the chain link fence. We didn't, we didn't sit there and stare at him either. We just knew, as far as we were concerned, that was my brother's team. So we didn't have any, any kind of fear or nothing like that. So we weren't staring at him or anything. We knew exactly which way they were headed. And then, uh, so now behind us, right there at the chain link fence, there's a little, there's a man gate. He just crossed right over into that, um, onto that piece of property. So that's what we chose to do. And as these creatures got to the fence, I wasn't looking at them. So I didn't, I didn't even feel or hear the fence move whatsoever. So at this time, I didn't know exactly what they were doing. We were just walking, we were just crawling through the fence to get to the other side.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  Um, so that was having like an element of surprise on our side. Just, you know, of course it was the other team as far as we were concerned. So now we're crawling down the fence line. We get about, about a hundred feet down, basically in the same area where we thought that that's where my brother's team was supposed to be at. So we get about a hundred feet down. We decided just to sit down and rest. So I had, we had our backs turned, resting on the, the chain link fence. And we were on the, um, on the, the city property there. Now we're looking towards the mountains. Here we are just sitting there and we're just looking for the other team. I'm, I'm doing my scanning. So now when I'm coming back and just slightly to my, right next to that,

• 40:38Speaker 03

  that shrubbery was a, was a dirt mound. There's a, like I said, it was full of grass and weeds. But there's two figures that were sitting or squatting on this, on this mound. And I can see the top of their heads down to their shoulder because they were just above the, um, above that shrubbery. So where I could still see, I had some ambient lights. I could tell that there's two figures there, but they're about 20 feet away. So I couldn't, you know, but at this time I thought that was my sister and her boyfriend. So I wasn't, I wasn't even concerned there this whole time. So now I'm going on for a couple of minutes. So now here is I'm scanning around and now I just happened to be looking scanning down

• 41:21Speaker 03

  the field back towards the apartment complex area and then I seen this this bigger figure come running right straight around the other two that were already 20 feet away from me. So this one was about another five to 10 feet behind behind those two. So I just thought it was another I just thought it was another team, the other team, just one person from the other team, I thought it was. But this creature or figure, we'll just call it figure for now, but this figure came running, it was like about 30 feet away from me. And it was and it was running very quick and even before I get on my feet, because at this time I thought it was the other, it was just another person on the other from the other

• 42:01Speaker 03

  team. So even before I get on my feet, this creature was already, it already stopped between 10 to 12 feet from me as I was getting on my feet. So I just can't figure well, how, you know, in my mind, I'm just not really worried about the time delay or whatever. But the fact is, I was already coming up on, I was coming up on my feet and this creature had already stopped. And when it stopped, this is when I, this is when everything got confusing to me because I knew that there was something wrong. I could see the, um, when it stopped, it was already, it was bent over a little bit and it had a slight bend in its knees. So I couldn't judge exactly how tall it was. Plus, it was like in a little

• 42:41Speaker 03

  groove right there in between like the, um, the dirt mounds and stuff like that. There's some ditches and stuff. So I couldn't figure exactly how tall it was. But at this time, I wasn't, I didn't care about what, what looking for the size. I was just thinking it was the other team. But when it stopped, we're both looking at each other. It's looking at me. I couldn't see the face, but I could see the hair. I could see the individual hairs coming from the top of the hair and it came all the way down to the shoulders. And when it was looking at me, it was kind of like it was turned a little bit to its right, which means I was looking at its left side a little bit, but it was looking straight at me. So I can see, but I can see the hair coming down, just that one side. Individual hair, it was probably at least two or three inches long, probably, that's, that's what it looked like.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  And the color looked about, it was either a dark brown or a blackish color, but I couldn't tell. This is about a four to five second stare down. And this is when I, I went into a shock because I knew it wasn't human. And, but, but my mind just didn't, didn't want to tell me that it was a Bigfoot either, you know? So that's where the confusion was going right there. Um, cause I, my thought of the Bigfoot was totally different than what I thought when I watched the movie. Before, about five years earlier, I watched the, um, The Legend of Boggy Creek. Okay. So after I seen that movie, this was supposed to be just nothing but a, a monster that was out to terrorize people, you know?

• 44:08Speaker 03

  So that's why I was confused, cause if it was been a Bigfoot, it should have, uh, it should have made some kind of a aggressive move towards me in my mind.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  I, for whatever reason, I just started shooting, I just started blasting away, hoping that was my brother's team, you know? So I started going bang, I started yelling out bang, bang, bang, right? So I didn't have any guns, I didn't have no fake guns or anything like that. All I had was my fingers. All I'm doing is just going bang, bang, bang, and I'm just yelling at my, top of my lungs. So when I did that,

• 44:41Speaker 03

  the two that were sitting on the mound, they stood up, they all stood up. Now these two were actually sitting, uh, standing on the mound and they're, they're elevated and hyped a little bit. So anyways, I was just, uh, now I was really confused, cause now I could see their, I could see the hair coming around them as well. They all three turned around and they started, uh, booking away from me. They just started leaping through the grass, uh, uh, heading towards that, um, the residential street about four or 500 yards away. And there's also some houses right there, so some backyards, it's got some lights also in the backyards of these houses, but beyond those houses was a street. And then beyond that would be the, uh, the start of the mountain, the, uh,

• 45:24Speaker 03

  even though it's real steep, we could, uh, a person can't just climb up that as, as far as a, a human is concerned. But luckily there's a, there's a graveyard just out right off to the left, just on the, um, south side of the apartment complex, you go, uh, right up to the cemetery at the, right, at the ridge of the, uh, of the mountains. And then you can take a trail that goes all up to the top of the ridge, which we found out later. But now, when these creatures took off and they were, they were probably about, um, once they started leaping through the field, then I started yelling out deer. This is when I went to a deeper shot, cause now I'm still trying to get, trying to gather my, my thoughts of what, what I'm looking at.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  When I know they're on, I know they're on two feet and they had two arms. And I know they didn't have any clothes on either, cause I could see the backs of them when they're, when they're running away from me. But all I could do is just yell out deer. And I just started yelling that thing out, I started yelling out deer to the top of my lungs. And, uh, uh, uh, I was in so much confusion that I wasn't in fear yet. I didn't, I wasn't even scared yet. I was just totally confused. So as these creatures got about maybe fifty, sixty yards away, they slowed down and then they, they were just, just kept with a steady pace walk, heading away from me, but they kept, they kept turning their bodies around to look at me, to make sure I, to make sure I wasn't following them or whatever. I noticed my sister and her boyfriend were standing right next to me.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  And apparently they, they, they can only see what I was looking at, so they couldn't verify whether, what it was either, they just thought it was just, they didn't know if it was a human or not, but, um, as far as where they, their perspective was. So now I, now I hear my, my brother and his team coming from the apartment complex. I can hear him yelling my name. And meanwhile, I'm still confused, I'm looking at the ground, I'm just kinda, I'm just dumbfounded. I just, I, I just, I didn't even know what to think. It was, I had to turn around. I turned around, I grabbed a hold of the fence and I'm just looking up and down the, uh, you know, looking down the ground, looking up at the top of the fence.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  So I waited for my brother's team to get there, uh, come to get to us, cause they can hear me, they can, and they, I, they can see me on the other side of the fence. When my brother and his team got to the fence line, all I can hear is my brother tell me that, that, that they just saw Bigfoot. And that's all that came out of his mouth. It just says, we just saw Bigfoot. And that's when I went to a deep shock. I mean, that's when the fear, probably the worst fear that I've ever had before that incident, or even after that incident, no matter what, that was the worst fear I've ever had. Not the fear that they were coming back, that they'd come back and get me.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  It just put me right back in that spot of me being that close to a creature that should have been either folklore or whatever you want to call it, you know, legendary thing. But when I went into that shock, I went totally blank. All I know is that, that my brother told me later that, uh, that, that all he, all he seen me do is just grab a hold of that fence, the fence, and I just grabbed a hold and just used my arms and just, and just crawled all the way up to the top of that fence and threw myself over the fence. The next thing that came into my memory banks was me, I was on the other side of that field. I was over, uh, close to the apartment complex in the grassy area.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  And I just dropped to my knees. Then now I'm just grabbing, I'm just, and I'm shaking like crazy. I just can't, I, uh, I had the worst experience at that particular time. And I had tears just coming out of my eyes and, uh, I was in total, just total shock and, and I didn't, it took me about forty-five minutes before anybody, before I can even start really comprehending what was going on and building, and so that we, we can all sit around and, and talk about what was going on, you know, cause that's what we did. We ended up, um, sitting around in a circle right there, but we were still quite a few yards away from the fence, but we were right next to the apartment complex. That's when I found out what my brother's part of the story was and then what my sister and her boyfriend, um, what they saw and then.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  And then when I told my story, that was, it, it, everything just clicked into place, you know, and, and that's basically it. So everything after that, it was just a matter of deciding if we were gonna go and tell somebody or not. Throughout that discussion, we decided not to, especially me and my brother, because we were pretty shy. We, me and my brother and, and, and my sister, and, you know, we just came to this town and, and we moved around a lot. So we're always, we're always trying to, um, you know, make friends where we could. So that's basically my story right there.

• 50:06Wes Germer?

  At what point did it kind of click it wasn't your brother? Because I find it fascinating how the mind deals with stress, trauma and shock. You know, you're yelling deer, deer, deer. And obviously, these aren't deer. But at what point did you kind of realize, oh, that's not my brother?

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Uh, it was basically right when I, when, right when I stood up and was looking at him. But in, in that, in that same instant that I was going into a shock, for whatever reason, when I noticed that it wasn't, it wasn't a Bigfoot, but it wasn't my other, my brother's team either. So I don't know why it came out of my mouth. I just said, I just started yelling, it's my brother, it's the other team, for whatever reason. And then when I'm shooting at him, then I'm, then now, when I seen him leaping up in the field, leaping through the grass like that, now, then I just started switching from the other team, I just started saying that's a, it's a, it's deer. I just kept yelling out deer. Knowing, knowing for a fact that they weren't deer, they, they did not have

• 51:11Speaker 03

  four legs whatsoever. They were running at a pretty, pretty, uh, and you could see them, when they were leaping, you could tell that they're, they're in a pretty wide, uh, what do you call that? Stances. You know, they're making some pretty good distance. Until they slowed down, of course, they slowed down, they're still going at a steady clip, just on a walk. But that's when they were looking back at me. Um, probably to make sure I wasn't gonna either following them or whatever. I'm not, of course, I can't tell you what they're thinking either, but all I can say they weren't, they were not aggressive. They were non-aggressive whatsoever. That's why it confused me the most because I'm, I was thinking that if a, a Bigfoot, the one that I know of, the only one that I knew of at the time was the, was the Legend of Boggy Creek.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  That was my whole, that was my only image I had in my mind of what a Bigfoot would have been, would have been a, would have been a dangerous creature.

• 52:04Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I could see that. You know, the Legend of Boggy Creek you have in your mind, what you think Sasquatch is, and then when you see it in person, uh, it's completely different. Sometimes anyway. Why do you think that you went into shock later after it was all said and done?

• 52:23Speaker 03

  It was just the words that came out of my brother's mouth without me seeing anything. When he told me that he saw Bigfoot, all that did to me was confirm that that was a Bigfoot because if they saw Bigfoot and they weren't even in shock like I was, they actually watched these Bigfoots go all the across the field. And at this time, they weren't, they weren't like in deep fear because they knew that these creatures are already walking away from them. And these creatures didn't even, didn't even acknowledge my brother's team whatsoever. So they didn't even look at my brother's team. Uh, at a certain point, my brother's team were already at a certain comfort level, knowing that, okay, they're, they're not gonna, they're not in any immediate danger of any kind. So by the time they got to me, that's when, that's when everything, that's when I became a hundred percent

• 53:08Speaker 03

  for fact that it had to be a big, it was definitely a big foot because if my brother seen what he saw and I experienced what I experienced, there's no other way of looking at it.

• 53:18Wes Germer?

  Yeah, like I said, I'm, I'm fascinated with the mind, especially when it's in shock. And I could see your brother saying, hey, we just saw Bigfoot. I could see your world come crashing down at that moment, realizing your mind's not fooling you. You, you know what you saw. How far away from you were these creatures? And if you would, would you describe all three of them? I realize that it's dark out.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  The one that came at, that came running towards me, that was, uh, of course, I could see that, I could see the individual hairs from the, basically about the middle of the shoulders, down to like the middle of the arms, basically area. I could see pretty clearly, and there's all nothing but hair. I thought it was, it could have been a jacket at, at one, you know, a particular second or two, but, but then I, I noticed that the, that the hair was just coming right straight down the, right straight down the side of its head, and right down to the, through the shoulders, like a, kinda like at a slight angle. I didn't see a neckline of any kind. The size was hard to tell. It was definitely pretty wide, though. It was at least a good three feet wide, at the very least. But it's kinda hard to tell, even with

• 54:25Speaker 03

  that, with that fur, that one right there, he turned at, he turned at a slight angle towards me, when I was looking at it, so I couldn't get a direct, looking straight at him, except I seen his head, of course. But I couldn't see any fa, I couldn't see any facial features. There's no glowing eyes. Um, there's also no smell. The others, when they stood up, that was the only time I even looked at them, is when they, when they, when they stood up, because I thought that was my sister and her boyfriend at first. Um, but they're standing on that ledge, uh, on that, um, on that dirt mound, and they're already about the same height I was, and I was already three feet up, and they're about twenty feet away. So all I could really see in detail on them is just the hair going

• 55:07Speaker 03

  down, pretty much the same as the other, as the, uh, as that first one. And it just went right around, just right around his head, all the way down, around his shoulders, and that's it. That's basically what I seen. I seen, I seen the most here, when they actually all turned around, and, and running away from it, and then they got away from the, um, that thick brush that was right there. Uh, with the ambient lights, I could definitely tell that they're, and you could definitely, you could definitely see, there's no, there's no article of clothing whatsoever. Not one bit of clothing, so. And there was no bare skin either, I could see on the backs, on their backs. But like I said, when they're facing me, of course, it was kinda like a shadowy area in front of them, so I couldn't

• 55:49Speaker 03

  see exactly what their, what their chest would look like. I couldn't see any, um, if they're male or female of any kind. But they do, they did seem like they were younger.

• 56:00Wes Germer?

  You had mentioned that one of them was taller. He was like six foot plus. I mean, how tall do you think he was compared to the other two?

• 56:10Speaker 03

  The taller one was about at least three inches taller than the other two. And I want to say anywhere it could have been six foot three to six foot five or so, probably. That's just a roughly rough guess because I didn't have anything to really gauge it on myself. Because like I said, there, there, there's like a big ditch and everything right there, right next to where they're at too. And I couldn't tell if this Sasquatch is inside of a ditch. It was not on one of the dirt mounds at all. Now, the other two, like I said, they're a few inches shorter and they're just a little bit down from me. So they're and I'm, I was five seven and they're already, they're about even with about the even size and they're standing up, they're about even with me.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  Right about three feet down from my elevation from when I was looking at them.

• 57:00Wes Germer?

  And I know from talking to you off the air that this was the only time that you saw them. Makes me wonder why they would choose to go through there. Maybe the cover of darkness. I know you had mentioned a drought in the area. And oftentimes people will run into these things when there's some sort of disaster like a drought. But it really makes me wonder why they were passing through.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course, going through all the theories and stuff. I mean, like I said, it was, it was a, I think it was a four to five year drought going on at the time. And it was July. We stayed indoors almost, almost every day until it did get darker out. So we could do stuff outside anyways. Because the temperatures were exceeding like 110 degrees. And so that means it was like, and it was like, at least it was in the upper 90s. It's like 99 to 100 degrees, even during the nighttime when we were playing this game.

• 57:53Wes Germer?

  And I kind of get the shock. I mean, I know that you had mentioned on the air and off the air, you and your brother had just seen The Legend of Boggy Creek. And I mean, those were really events. It wasn't made up. But if that's what you have in your head, as far as what you're going to run into, I kind of get the shock now, you know?

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, then that's why that's why I wouldn't do a confusion because that's the only thing I had. I didn't know anything else. The only other thing we watched was Leonard Nimoy back in like 78 also. We've seen that the same time we were about 10 years old, me and my brother were about 10 years old at the time. And we watched both those series. But like I said, they, they, there's no mention that I can remember at all that they were saying that they were, they're like really calm, calm creatures or anything like that. As far as I knew that these creatures were, were going to be, you know, were pretty dangerous, like animals.

• 58:50Wes Germer?

  And your brother and his friends were actually a lot closer. When you guys spoke, did he go into any more detail about what he had seen?

• 59:00Speaker 03

  Well, he was able to see the fur, the fur or hair a lot better. And I mean, and he's the one that told me that he, he definitely seen it look more like a brown, brownish red or whatever.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  But like, like what I said, a little bit darker where I was at, even though I can still see some of the detail. But yeah, but they're about, and these creatures are about, I'd say at least 50 or 60 feet away from where my brother's team was laying down. They know it's the same thing I did. They noticed that the, the one was a little bit bigger than the other two. And they said they're definitely over, they had, they're definitely over six feet. Like I said, ranging between the six, six one to six five or whatever, you know?

• 59:42Wes Germer?

  Why do you think that the larger one kind of rushed you?

• 59:46Speaker 03

  You know, after looking back at it, when it was looking at me, it was like it was bent down a little bit, hunched over a little bit, and it was looking up. It was like, uh, it was almost like it was, and it had it, and it had it, and one of his hands up, like it was trying to, I don't know if it was trying to tell me something or wanting me to, I don't know, they're being, they're definitely being very calm and very, uh, there's no aggression whatsoever.

• 1:00:10Wes Germer?

  When you say it had its hands up, it was like its palms up?

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it had its, uh, on its left hand, just had it, just kind of look, like looking up at me like it, I don't know if it was wanting me to give him something, or what, I mean, something like a kid would do, I guess. So that's why I'm thinking, I mean, it could have been like a juvenile Bigfoot. I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm still kind of lost on that, trying to figure out exactly what age group that I'm looking at. You know, even that, even right now, trying to figure out. The only thing that I know for a fact is that there's nothing else that could have been was a Bigfoot. I only had two choices. It's either somebody, three people running around in a, in a, in a, in some kind of suit, trying to fool us, or it was, or it had to be Sasquatch. That's the only, that, those are the only two,

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  that's the only two logical things that could have even happened. And I just don't see anybody trying, nobody knew we were out there playing, uh, playing a war game anyways. There's nobody else even on the streets.

• 1:01:09Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I think it's fascinating too, that you took your hand and the motion of a gun and went bang, bang, bang, and they took off. A Sasquatch is like the same people. They're, they're easily startled. Thank God that, you know, there was no aggression on their end. And who knows, they might have been younger. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatches? What's your take?

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  After that incident, I always considered them as being, they're definitely more human-like than they are, than they are animal. I don't know. It's hard to say if they'd be more human or not compared to being an animal. It's hard to say, but when I started hearing stuff like the, the, like the, the Sierra sounds, which I just started learning about that here in the last five months or so. That they're chattering, like the way they're chattering and stuff is just the way that they communicate with each other. So it's more, they got way more intelligence than just some animal out there. That's for sure. And they're definitely, um, there's definitely nothing paranormal or anything about these creatures. There's no, uh, there's no orbs, there's no, uh, nothing like that.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  I didn't see nothing paranormal about these creatures. It was definitely totally just, um, flesh and blood. That's what I witnessed. After all this time, I'm definitely thinking that they're, I'm thinking that they're definitely more of a human, some kind of human aspect. They, to me, it's just kind of logical just to think that they have more, they have a higher, higher intelligence than just being an animal.

• 1:02:42Wes Germer?

  Yeah, well, I know it was a brief encounter and you know, a lot of times in brief encounters, people rarely talk about anything paranormal. They rarely ever talk about anything strange. Normally you'll find that when these things are on people's property. Uh, man, I don't think that they're human, but it's hard to argue with people when it comes to their behavior. There's a lot of their behavior is very human-like. There's no question about that. So it makes you wonder. I know this happened to you over 40 years ago and you know, it was a real brief encounter, but I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I really enjoyed chatting with you Curtis. Thank you so much for sharing it.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Okay. Well, thank you for having me and you have a great day then.

• 1:03:28Wes Germer?

  Thanks again Curtis. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance to check out sasquatchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.