SC EP:1208 Texas Law-Enforcement Officer Encounter

Former Texas law-enforcement officer Matt Parrish uprooted his family and moved to Washington's Olympic Peninsula—never imagining he would spend the next four and a half years living alongside something he once dismissed as legend. He recalls the night everything changed: eerie whistles drifting in through the window, massive footprints pressed into the soil around the house, objects striking the exterior walls, and a Ring camera clip that erased any lingering doubt. Over time, Matt describes an uneasy but evolving relationship with the beings the local Quinault people call the Siatco—a progression from fear and confusion to an uncanny form of coexistence on an isolated property bordered by rivers, elk trails, and dense rainforest. His account includes gifting interactions, hair impressions, window encounters, and even a close, face-to-face moment with a pair of glowing red eyes at three in the morning.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya!

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out of here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:34Speaker 04

  Hi, this is Ian on the eastern shores of England. You better believe it, all around the world we're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:07Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. We will be speaking with Matt Parrish, who comes to us from Texas. Matt was a law enforcement officer in Texas, and he fell in love with Washington and moved here. I don't really get that. I'm in Washington. I'd rather be in Texas, but that's neither here nor there. But shortly after moving to Washington, Matt and his family started experiencing these creatures around his property. And I saw him on The Flash of Beauty, the movie, and I asked him if he'd come on and kind of share his experiences. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show,

• 2:48Wes Germer?

  shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Matt to the show. Matt, thanks for coming on.

• 3:09Speaker 06

  Thank you for having me.

• 3:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I really appreciate you being here. And I was telling you before, I saw you on Flash of Beauty, and I was like, wow, I really want to chat with this guy. Prior to all of this happening to you, what was kind of your take on the whole subject of Sasquatch?

• 3:27Speaker 06

  I always, you know, I've seen the shows. I grew up watching Monster Quest, Finding Bigfoot, those type things, the different documentaries. I think there was one with Leonard Nimoy when I was really young. You know, so I was familiar with it. My dad and my grandfather, they would always tell us stories. And I always thought it was kind of like a boogeyman, like fairy tale type, type thing, until I went to the library when I was in the first grade and I saw that classic image of Patty when she's looking back at Roger and them. And so that's when I was like, whoa, this is, this is something that actually might be out there. And then seeing the shows

• 4:11Speaker 06

  and everything. So you always want to believe, but you're, you're not. 100% there. It wasn't until we moved up here to Washington that, you know, everything changed when we went from being believers kind of to knowers.

• 4:26Wes Germer?

  I hear you. Well, if you would walk me into this whole incident, you moved from Texas to Washington onto this property and this, what we're going to chat about tonight went on for about four and a half years. If you would, would you start from the very beginning and kind of walk us into how all of this progressed?

• 4:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, sure. Um, like I said, we were living in Texas. Uh, I was, I worked for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. I was a lieutenant with them and I did that job for almost 13 years. I wasn't a lieutenant the entire time I left at the rank of lieutenant, but I, I started out just as a regular officer and worked my way up through the ranks. But we would, uh, come up here to Washington. We would take the 101, uh, all the way down to like San Diego and do different things. And we just always loved, loved it and we would do that for our vacation every year to try to beat the Texas heat normally in August or

• 5:26Speaker 06

  a couple of times in October we came. But anyways, we, uh, we came, it was 2018. Um, we were staying actually on Lake Crescent, me and my wife. And it was, it was my birthday and, uh, we were just getting ready to lay down for bed. It was 11 o'clock at night. This was in, uh, October. And so it's that dreary kind of misty, you know, classic Pacific Northwest weather that we have. And as we're laying down, there's this really long drawn out howl that comes off the mountainside right behind us. You know, it's dead silent. We don't have, you know, there's no TV. There's nothing like that in the cabin. It's just

• 6:10Speaker 06

  stillness, you know, and we both looked at one another and I was like, there's no way we heard what we think we heard, you know, like is that, you know, cause it, it didn't sound anything like, you know, I've heard coyotes. I've heard wolves. Very familiar with all that, the different sounds, you know, that they can, they have a variety of, uh, vocals that they make. This didn't sound anything like that. It, it sounded more, um, like what I now know as the Ohio howl. And it was just this long drawn out thing. So it's like we gotta, you know, we definitely gotta come back, you know, um, to the peninsula. And in 2021, we actually had the opportunity to move here.

• 6:53Speaker 06

  So we, we took it, we took that opportunity and relocated.

• 7:00Speaker 06

  We were living in Lake Quinault and that first year was pretty quiet for us, nothing, nothing really wild happened. Uh, my neighbors and stuff like that, you know, I, I love to hike, I love to be outdoors. Uh, you, you name it, if I can be out there, I'm, I'm gonna be out there. And occasionally, you know, uh, the subject of Bigfoot would come up with neighbors or something. Somebody would say, yeah, well, there's some tracks down here, you know, you know, if you're interested, go look at that. And I would go and look, but the, the problem is, um, it, it rains so much here that by the time you get there to look at the tracks, uh, they're pretty much washed out. So all you can really see is like impressions, you know, there's, there's a big difference. I always hear people say, oh, there's tracks, there's tracks.

• 7:45Speaker 06

  And then you look and it's, no, it's an impression. There's, there's a difference in, in a track and an impression. But you would see impressions and you could tell, yeah, something, something to walk through here. So the area already had a kind of a rich history of, of Sasquatch sightings in, uh, Quinault. People having experiences and stuff. So like I said, our first year, nothing really exciting happened in our house. Um, occasionally we would get around 11 o'clock, we would get like this. Not really a overpower odor. It was more of a, just kind of a musky, honky smell, you know, nothing, nothing really super strong. Like you always hear the Sasquatch reports, ah, you know, burn my eyes and film on, you know?

• 8:30Speaker 06

  Nothing like that. And so I thought, well, maybe it's a bear coming up, um, around that time at night. And so I put a, uh, couple of floodlights up. And I'd be sitting in my chair and around 11 o'clock, the smell would start lifting in through the window, you know, because we don't have air conditioning up here. So we just leave our windows open at night. It would start coming into the house and I would jump up, I'd see the floodlight pop off and I would jump up and go over to the window to try to catch a glimpse of whatever this was. And it would always be gone and there'd be nothing. The house next

• 9:11Speaker 06

  door to us was vacant. We, where we lived at, um, there's five houses on a 30 acre property. And the lodge that is there on the, on Lake Quinot, Lake Quinot Lodge ran by air mark. At one time they were renting those houses out and using them as employee housing. Well, they'd stopped doing that. So all those, that whole area was vacant, you know, they, there's nobody living in them. And the house next door to us was maybe 15 feet, but it had been pretty trashed out, you know, seasonal employees had partied in there and ran it down and things

• 9:52Speaker 06

  were broken and stuff. It was, it was pretty bad shape, pretty, pretty sad. But occasionally we'd be laying in bed and we would hear like a, um, like something bang on the side of that house. And, you know, I told my wife, I was like, I said, it's probably, you know, because it'd be like one, two o'clock in the morning. I'm not getting up to go look. It's at the next house. It's not our house, you know? And so I thought I said, they probably left some trash in there. Someone's probably some critter or bear jumping up on the side trying to look in there and see.

• 10:27Wes Germer?

  And Matt, this home next door, you guys were hearing something bang on it?

• 10:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, banging, um, more on like the roof because it's more of a metallic type. So like something was hitting the, the edge. It almost sounded like a garbage can lid, but the only thing that was metal over there was the roof. And so I figured, you know, I said, it could be a wide range of things. It could be something jumping on the side of the house that sounds like that. Or, you know, maybe a limb falling on the roof. I don't know, but. It would wake, it would be loud enough, it would wake us up out of our sleep. And it would just be a single bang and then that's it and then nothing. But there wasn't always a smell when, when we would have like the bang sound next door.

• 11:14Speaker 06

  So I didn't really associate it with anything, you know, I just kind of allow bang sound, you know. So yeah, that, that happened that first year. Then my wife, she ended up getting pregnant at the end of that year. And so we needed a bigger house. And the pressure was on to find something. Well, Lake Quinault is pretty remote. You're about an hour from Aberdeen and you're about an hour from, hour and a half from Forks, Washington. There on the west coast, the west side of the Olympic Peninsula. And then that's, that's pretty much it. There's really nothing else around.

• 11:53Speaker 06

  There's a couple of little tiny communities like Quinault, you have Queets and, you know, just a, nothing really big. No stores, nothing like that. So housing is pretty difficult to find out there. Especially since you're surrounded by the Olympic National Park and the national forest. People are obviously building in there. So the house next door was available, but like I said, it was really trashed out. That was really my last option to, to move in there, you know, last resort. But we ended up taking it. We, uh, we, we got in there and we started cleaning up.

• 12:37Speaker 06

  And it was pretty bad. Honestly, if, if it were up to me, I would have just burned it to the ground and, and start over.

• 12:46Speaker 06

  We were in there for about a week and this house on the, on the property actually sits right up along the tree line now. So we're right next to the, to the forest. And then there's nothing going all the way to Forks, you know, it's just national park, national forest. So we're cleaning it up. We get it. We get it decent. My dad and my stepmom decide that they're gonna fly up and visit us after we'd only been in there for a week. And when they arrive, the first thing, you know, my wife, she's, you know, she's, she was pregnant and she was craving some of the southern foods, southern comfort type stuff, you know, a lot

• 13:30Speaker 06

  of Cajun food that we eat from the south. And she was wanting something like that. So my stepmom made a big pot of seafood gumbo. And we were having a good time. We had all the windows open. This was late June. We sat outside till around 11 o'clock at night. And when we finally decided to call it quits, we let my parents sleep in our bedroom. Just, you know, that's just the way we're raised, you know, let them, you know, just a hospitality thing for any, any, any of your guests. So we let them have our bedroom because it was nicer, bigger bed. There was a, we just put a window unit in it. We had another window

• 14:12Speaker 06

  unit ordered for my daughter's room that was coming. So yeah, it was just more, we felt, felt like they would be more comfortable in there. And we took our daughter's room, which is next, right next door. Both of these bedrooms are right on the side of the house that faced the tree line. And my daughter, she ended up taking the couch in the living room that night. And so my parents are in our room and we're in the, we're in our daughter's room. And we got the bedroom window wide open because we don't have a window unit in there yet. And it really wasn't that hot. So we didn't have a need for a fan or anything up in the window. It was quite comfortable. But around two in the morning, my wife wakes

• 14:54Speaker 06

  me up and she says, she says, there's someone out there banging around. And I said, what do you mean? I said, I said, it's probably a critter. I told her, I said, just, you know, it'll be all right. Go back to sleep.

• 15:07Speaker 06

  And she's like, no, no, I'm serious. She's like, there's someone or something out there banging around on the side of the house. I go to lay my head back down on the pillow and right as I do, that's when I heard a very clear, sharp, like distinct whistle. It didn't sound like a bird. It almost sounds like the way, you know, when you're in a construction site or something, you whistle to get someone's attention. It almost sounded kind of like that. That's the closest I can describe it. But so we, now I'm awake. I'm like, okay, I'm like, who? Who's right outside? Cause this was right up on the window and I was like, who the hell's right outside the window?

• 15:45Speaker 06

  And I'm looking and I don't see anything and uh, I'm listening and then I hear it start to walk away from the window. As it's walking away, I noticed, you know, cause the grass is kind of crunchy, you know, it's late June, like I said, they hadn't had any rain for a couple of weeks and uh, but as it's walking away, it definitely almost sounds like a the way you or I would walk uh, so something bipedal. So I'm like, who's, you know, and then it fades off and I don't hear it and I laid there for about another forty, forty-five minutes. Uh, trying to hear if it, if it was coming back or not. And it never did. I, I ended up nodding off going, going to sleep.

• 16:29Speaker 06

  Well, I get up the next morning, um, I go into the living room. I see my parents had just stepped out onto the porch. So I follow them out there and they're lighting up a cigarette there, you know, I could, I could tell they're a little little bothered by something, you know, I can't, I can't quite tell my, my dad to give you a idea about his character and stuff. He was uh, born and raised East Texas. He's a, he's a true definition of a Texan all the way. He's, he's got the thick accent, uh, unlike me, you know, uh, but he was in law enforcement for forty years. He just retired as chief of police. So things don't really bother this man or rattle him too much.

• 17:13Speaker 06

  And I wouldn't say that it rattled him, but I could tell something that bothered him. And so I asked him, I said, how did you sleep last night? And he said, well, he said, let's uh, so let's talk about that real quick. He said, but he said, well, how did you sleep first? And I said, um, I said, you know, I slept, I slept. I said, you know, there was this thing, Dad. I said, yeah, I said, it's around two o'clock and I told him. You know, what had occurred. And when I was telling him, his eyes got real big and he looked over at my stepmom, he's like, all right. He's like, that's the same time that we had our deal. And I said, so what happened to you? And he said, someone or something came up to your window unit and started banging on it real aggressively.

• 17:58Speaker 06

  And he said it sounded aggressive because it was just a rapid, you know, on the, on the metal there. And so I asked him, I said, uh, I said, well, I said, let's walk over there. Let's go look at it. And so we, we, we started heading over there to the corner of the house. And the first thing that we noticed was that there was these big impressions in the grass. Um, they're about seventeen inches in length. And they were about two and a half uh to three feet apart. Uh, one in front of the other. And they came right up along the, the tree line and, and cut over towards the house. They go up to the uh bedroom window with the window unit where my parents were.

• 18:42Speaker 06

  And sitting on top of the window unit is a uh, the river stone that's up there. And so this, this unit is about seven, seven and a half feet off the ground. So that would take something with thumbs, you know, I, I wouldn't imagine a bear would pick up a rock and bang on the, on the window unit. Uh, you know, it was, it was just really kind of mind blowing. It was like, there's no way you know with the impressions and the stories and everything, there's, there's no way that we're experiencing this, that this happened. But then the, the tracks they circle back are the impressions that circle back to the bedroom that me and my wife were in. And then they, they flip around, they, they go back

• 19:28Speaker 06

  towards the, the window where my parents were and carry on around the back side of the house. All the way to the opposite side of the house. And on the opposite side of the house, there was a uh, kind of like a laundry room, but it's, I think, I think at one time it was a sunroom or something because it's all, it's all glass pretty much. And in there, it was where we uh kept our, our garbage and in, in that garbage was uh, All the shrimp pillings and everything that my stepmom had, you know, from cooking dinner the night before. And these impressions, they stop right in front of the window where

• 20:09Speaker 06

  that garbage is and right above the garbage on the window, there is a, an impression of what looks like a forearm, but it's massive. It's way bigger than a person's forearm.

• 20:24Wes Germer?

  What's going through your mind at this point, Matt? Are you thinking some guys coming up to your home in the middle of the night?

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Well, I'm still, I'm like, I'm, I'm trying to, you know, be rational and try to reason out, you know, a process of elimination. A bear wouldn't do this. Uh, this is, you know, my neighbors wouldn't do it because the, I have just a, a widow down the road at the, at the dead end, you know, because we, we lived on the dead end street. And then her mother lived on the other side and she was like in her seventies and her mother was in her nineties. So I'm thinking there's, you know, we didn't have anybody in an Airbnb down there at the time, uh, because there are quite a few houses down there, but there's only about five or six of us that live down there year round and they're all over 50.

• 21:14Speaker 06

  So I'm like, they're, you know, they're not, and I knew them pretty well, you know, um, I didn't know them great, but you know, when you live in a place like that, you know, where you're pretty much isolated is especially in the winter time, you really learn your neighbors really well and you kind of all depend on one another to get through the winter, you know, you, hey, I'm running into town. Is there anything you need, you know, that type stuff, you know, or hey, you know, I need, I need some wood chop. Can you help me? You know? So we all kind of pitch in to get through winter. So I knew, I knew them well enough to know that I didn't believe that they would pull any kind of prank or anything like that, especially knowing that I have guests over at my house. So I'm thinking, you know, I'm like this.

• 21:59Speaker 06

  This can't be, but this is, it, it, it looks like Bigfoot.

• 22:06Speaker 06

  Um, like a Sasquatch came up and paid us a visit last night. Uh, I, I couldn't explain it any other way. And they said, we saw the impression of the forearm and it was, it, it had already dried by the time we seen it on the window. So it wasn't like this greasy oily thing, you know, you, you always hear about. It was just like wet hair that had been, you know, through the, through the bush. And then it was just kind of pressed on and made that little impressions of strands and stuff. And you could, you could kind of see the, the individual hair strands in some spots, but. And, and then the impressions they, uh, they carried back on down to the street and that's when we lost it.

• 22:47Speaker 06

  So I was like, you know, uh, I know there's Sasquatches in the area, um, just listening to the locals and hearing all the stories. And it, it only makes sense that it'd be a matter of time. We live right at the mouth of the Quinault River where that salmon hatchery is. And right in the, uh, across the street in the front yard is the, is the actual lake itself. And it's all, uh, just freshwater clams and stuff down there. We're kind of like right in the middle of a, of a buffet, so to speak, for, for anything. And, uh, so yeah, I'm still kind of like trying to wrap my head around it.

• 23:27Speaker 06

  You know, I'm still kind of skeptical that we were visited by a Sasquatch, but I'm still like, I don't know any other way to believe. Any, any other explanation for this, um, than that at the time. And so the rest of the week, uh, goes off with, without a hitch, you know, no, no, no disturbances. There's occasionally at nighttime, we'd be sitting out on the porch, um, while they were there. And, uh, the whole forest, you know, it would just go dead silent. Like the bullfrogs would stop. Um, I mean, everything just, there'd be, it would just be stillness. And so we would just kind of sit there, me and my dad, you know, and.

• 24:11Speaker 06

  We could be listening to the to the forest if we could hear anything moving in the tree line or whatnot, because normally when everything goes silent like that, especially like if you're in East Texas, typically because there's a predator around, you know, right? So everything kind of gets quiet till it passes on, but this would all go silent and it would stay silent for about fifteen, twenty minutes, and then the forest would come back to life again. And so, but we never heard anything, we never smelled anything, nothing like that. So that was pretty much the end of that, that incident. My parents, you know, they had a great time. We took them all around the peninsula, showed

• 24:53Speaker 06

  them different stuff. They left, went back home, and three days after they left, it was around ten o'clock at night. We're all getting ready, we're kind of settling in, getting ready for bed. We're in early June now, and early July, sorry, early July. And my, my daughter, she's in her room, getting ready, fixing to settle down. She was seven at this time. And I go to the, to the kitchen to get a glass of water. And like I said, this house was a party house, you know, it'd been pretty trashed out pretty badly. And so we had had to do a lot of fixing up and fresh paint and flooring and things like that. But

• 25:37Speaker 06

  one of the things was the kitchen window was busted out. And so we had a, I had taken a piece of cardboard and placed up over the, the window and taped to the, to the sides, you know, to, because we had to order, special order, the house is so old, we, we had to special order the window for it. And we'd only been there for a week. So we were waiting on that. Well, while I'm getting a glass of water, that cardboard starts kind of, it's almost like something is on the other side of it, taking its hand and just kind of slightly pressing inward, and then it would let go, and then it would slightly press inward, and then it would let go. So it starts kind of flexing, and I can actually hear the adhesive

• 26:22Speaker 06

  from the tape giving away each time. There's no wind, there's no storm outside, it's just stillness, just, it was a nice evening that evening.

• 26:33Speaker 06

  And the pushing is almost like rhythmic, not like real fast, like if wind was flapping or something or beating up against it. It was almost rhythmic, you know, it was just in and out, in and out, almost like something was amused with the cardboard and maybe the adhesive sound like peeling away from the, from the window. So now I'm thinking like, crap, like, how fast can I get to the bedroom and get my gun? You know, if whatever this is tries to come inside, I'm still not thinking Bigfoot, I'm not thinking anything like that. Just thinking wild animal or something, you know. So around that time, my daughter, she comes running into the kitchen from her bedroom and she goes, I know you're trying to sneak

• 27:16Speaker 06

  on me. And I, I said, what? And she goes, yeah, I know, I know you're trying to play a joke on me. I know you're trying to sneak on me. And I look over and I notice that the window has stopped. It's still now, nothing's pressing on the cardboard anymore. And so I look back, I said, what are you, what are you talking about? You know, I'm not, I'm not sneaking on you. And she goes, yeah, you're, you're outside my bedroom window trying to sound like a Chinese zombie. And I said, I said, what? She goes, yeah, you're out there making like Chinese zombie noises trying to scare me. I was like, and so this goes back to where I was like, no, I'm not doing that. And but while that's going on, it, the thought occurred to me, she was experiencing something on one end of the

• 27:59Speaker 06

  house at the same time I was experiencing something. There has to be two of these things, whatever they are. That's when I kind of snapped back and I was like, you know, I've heard Sasquatches do, you know, what they call Samurai chatter. You know, she, finally, she realizes I'm not trying to sneak on her, you know, I'm there and, and my boxers and I'm not outside the house in the dark. And so we told her, you know, we said, hey, this ever happens again, just when the dark comes, just when it starts at nighttime, close your, close your window, close your blinds. And don't open them up. And if that ever happens again, or they try to, whatever it is, tries to speak to you again, you just come and get me and mom and we'll take care of it.

• 28:43Speaker 06

  But uh, so we ca- it kind of established some rules early on as we weren't quite sure what we were dealing with. The next morning I get outside and I go outside and of course there, there it is. I find a seventeen inch impression, you know, just impressions, nothing definitive with toes or anything like, just impressions. But a seventeen inch impression, then I, I found a fifteen inch impression around the outside of the house, a couple of them. So that's, that kind of reaffirmed, you know, okay, we, we had visitors again last night, you know, like the same ones when my parents were here. And so I told my wife, I said, we gotta get, uh, we gotta figure out a way to get this on camera. I was like, do we, do we still have the Ring camera from when we were in Texas?

• 29:29Speaker 06

  And she's like, yeah. She said it's in storage. And I say, okay, so I get the Ring camera and I get it out and I just set it on the portraying. I don't mount it to anything. I just set it out there and had, had it facing the tree line. That first night, we uh, got all kinds of hits on it and it was cats and uh, the cat that we had that, that was outdoors and just different things, you know, would set it off, little bugs. So I had to go in there and change the settings for just a person, um, something of, of significant size to set it off. And so I did that and there was two nights later, it was around three oh one in the morning.

• 30:13Speaker 06

  My, I get a notification on my phone and it said that, uh, that there's a person on the Ring. And so I was like, I set it down. I'm kind of in a hurry. I'm getting ready for work. I'm like, I'm still not like.

• 30:28Speaker 06

  Thinking or wide awake, you know, so I didn't check it. I just kind of tossed it to the side. I like, I'll look at it just before I walk out and finish getting ready about forty minutes later. And just before I go to head out the door, I pick up my phone and I look at it and I clicked on the, on the clip and you can see this kind of buzzy humming thing, you know, because it's the IR and it kind of at nighttime, it's not that great. Uh, it's very low quality, quality footage, but I could tell there was something that had came around the corner of the house and walked up within about twenty feet. So I asked my dad, you know, but since he was working for the Livingston Police Department, I said, hey, can you give this to your tech guy?

• 31:13Speaker 06

  And if they have some time, you know, when they're, when they're free or maybe on their off day or something, if they could just kind of play with this video and clean it up and, and get it back to me. So he's like, yeah, sure. No problem. You know, he so I, I send him the video and I, I go on to work. And he sends back the video that evening with the, they ran it through a, a blue filter and kind of cleaned it up a little bit. His tech, one of his tech guys did. One of his lieutenants and uh, but there's this still image of what looks like Sasquatch standing right outside the house. There's one frame where it steps just good enough and it looks right at the camera. And then after that it turns around and it leaves.

• 31:59Speaker 06

  And so it was like, wow, that, that for me was just like confirmation. Um, that was okay, that we were not dealing with, uh, especially the size because the thing in the video in, at least in the still image, the, the screenshot that was captured from the video, the real good a shot of it, it has its knees like slightly bent. And then you have the, the body and the head, which are just a, the head was just a maybe a foot or so over the eve of the roof and the eve is about nine foot off the ground. And so I was just like, wow, this, you know, there's.

• 32:43Speaker 06

  Ten foot tall thing standing right outside my house 40 minutes before I went to work. And so for that, that was really the defining moment like, okay, we're, you know, we're not dealing with a bear. We're not dealing with another person. Uh, we have a Sasquatch come, coming to the house. Yeah, that was the, that was the big event for us. Uh, the big confirmation.

• 33:08Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I'm looking at the picture and I'll post it underneath this episode. Uh, it's definitely weird. You're right. Those ring cameras do suck, but kind of a weird image. Are you concerned at this point?

• 33:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, I actually was. We, we were a little worried because we don't know what we're dealing with, you know? Um, there's no textbook out there on how to deal with a Sasquatch in this. You know, this wasn't the first time, um, that it had visited our home, obviously. So it was coming back. Um, and that, that was the other thing too. And so I told my wife, um, you know, we, we went ahead and we upgraded. We spent a thousand dollars in, uh, Blink home security cameras. Uh, we got 10 of them. We set up around the property. Uh, floodlights, motion lights, that, that type thing. So we were like, you know, we told our daughter, you know, like, there's no playing outside anymore unless we're outside with you.

• 34:06Speaker 06

  And the tree line in the woods are completely off limits. That's a no go area. So we established some rules pretty quickly. And then like, uh, after dark, you know, the girls, they just stayed indoors, you know, they didn't, you know, we're not, we had a big deck in, in front of the house. It's not like they were going outside playing or like we were. All but I was like, you know, they, you know, my wife might step outside for a minute on the porch or something. And I was like, yeah, after dark, just, we'll just call it quits for the evening and stay indoors until we know a little bit better what we're dealing with. So that's, that's kind of where we were. I wouldn't say, uh, really afraid, but cautious. Because they hadn't really done anything that I, I would consider aggressive behavior.

• 34:51Speaker 06

  To that point, all, all of the behavior just seemed like curiosity type stuff, if that makes sense. You know, they're banging on that that window unit, you know, and I've had some people there like, well, that was pretty aggressive, you know, I mean, if you're laying inside, you know, and you're ten foot tall and you're banging on a little metal box, I mean, I guess it could come off as aggressive, but we're also the only ones in the uh, the whole neighborhood that had a, an air conditioning unit. So that was something that they'd never probably seen or encountered and you can hear, you know, when those things run, you can hear water dripping inside of them sometimes when they kick off and the compressor. I figured that maybe it was just more curiosity, like, hey, what's, what the hell is this thing? Why they got it in the window? You know, they probably more familiar with like box fans and stuff being in a window.

• 35:37Speaker 06

  You know, and then, and then just uh, the talking and stuff and the pushing on the, on the window. If it really wanted in the house, it could have came in the house. There's, after seeing the photograph, you know, the video footage in the tracks and stuff, there's really nothing that you're gonna do to stop something that big if it wants in or if it wants to get a piece of you. You know, it's, it's coming. So I just took it as more curiosity type behavior um, than anything, but we, so we did establish some, some ground rules uh, um, pretty early on as to how we would deal with these things. Uh, the blink camera, the problem with that is

• 36:19Speaker 06

  it runs off of wifi and the wifi in those rural areas is horrible. We didn't have Starlink. Um, we got Starlink now, but at the time, we didn't have Starlink. The cameras would pop off in, in order as if something was walking through the property, you know? It wouldn't just be like random spots on the property when the camera would pop off, but I would go look and there would be nothing there. And so I, I tested the cameras myself. I went walking through the property along the same route, along the tree line, and the cameras fired off. And I wasn't there on video. And so there was a delay. The motion sensor and the, the IR are separate from when the video, it triggers the video.

• 37:05Speaker 06

  So, and there's, there's a one or two second delay by the time the, the video actually starts recording. And it all goes to a uh, to like a cloud, kind of like a memory bank. So it's not like, it doesn't go to a hard drive and it doesn't, you know, I've had people ask me that question too. Um, yeah, it just was not really up to par for what we needed. We needed something that would be like instant and, and these were not. And I, I would also like to add that whenever we had the cameras up, activity seemed to stop for a little while.

• 37:43Speaker 06

  It, uh, or it would occur in other parts of the property that were just outside of the cameras range of view. Or like, uh, where we, where we didn't have cameras at all. And so that was, that was interesting to me. Um, also that these things. I don't think that Sasquatch knows what a camera is. You know, I don't, there's, there's no way I, I'm definitely in the, uh, I'm in the flesh and blood camp, you know, it's something biological. I know there's a lot of, you know, there's different groups, you know, you got the bio camp, you got the paranormal camp, you got the camp that believes that it's a, uh, aliens, you know?

• 38:26Speaker 06

  I, I think it's just based off of my experiences. I think it's another hominid, you know, I don't, I don't think that it knows though, what a camera is. I don't think it's smart enough, but I do think that there's something about cameras that these things don't like. And when I, when I was working back in Texas, I actually, we, we use dogs for all different types of things. We have cadaver dogs, we have drug dogs, we have dogs that find just cell phones. Um, so I called the, I called up my kennel sergeant and I asked him, you know, I said, hey, I said, how do the dogs know to hit on like cellphone or certain electronics, but not other electronics? How do they know to pass those up?

• 39:10Speaker 06

  What, what he told me was, was pretty surprising. He said, well, they're actually looking for the, um, camera. He said, they're not looking for the phone itself. And I said the camera, and I said, how, how, how did they, how did they know to find the camera? And he said, well, he said, there's a chemical that they use to train the dogs called, uh, nobium oxide. He said, in this cam, uh, it's a, a chemical that's used in the processing chips of most cameras, game cameras, um, home security cameras, anything like that. And he said, um, that's what the dogs are actually after is that chemical scent. And so that made more sense to me because this is where me and my dad kind of differ a little bit on our belief.

• 39:56Speaker 06

  As far as the cameras go, my dad, he, he's dead set, uh, that it's human scent that they're smelling. And, and I'll agree with that, you know, out in the forest, absolutely. I believe that, you know? But the Ring camera that I had was sitting on my porch and this thing comes around and it kind of, it kind of looks like it's doing something to the side of the house and then it gets within about 20 feet of that camera and it stops and it looks at it. And then it's, it's game over. It leaves. And so there's, there's human scent all around my house, my yard, my property. I got stuff out there. I don't, I don't think it was human scent that, that it detected with that camera. I think it was a chemical scent.

• 40:38Speaker 06

  And that's what's, you know, maybe I'm, I'm not saying that it's that specific chemical. But, you know, we know that like sharks are sensitive to electronics. We know that, um, bears can smell certain things, uh, for great distances, so on and so on. It's, it's not unreasonable, I think, to kind of have a theory that they, that there's certain chemical smells that maybe, maybe act as a natural repellent for these things. It's just a theory out there that I have. But, yeah, so we, we, uh, we had that, we put the security system up. What was funny was, um,

• 41:19Speaker 06

  you know, when you live in those rural areas here in Washington, you experience a lot of power outages in the, in the wintertime. And our power would would go out and it would it would always amuse me because you know, we wouldn't have anything happen for a while and then the power would go out. And then then we would wake up and there'd be tracks or um impressions, one or one of the other in the in the front yard or something like that where and then you could hear weird sounds throughout the night, different um vocals sometimes. I I wouldn't say chatter. I never really heard the chatter. I heard it one time um in the four and a half years

• 42:01Speaker 06

  that we were there. My wife and daughter, they um they they absolutely heard it a lot more than I did typically after I left uh to go to work or when I was in at the house, they would hear it. But the one time that I heard it, it sounded like, almost like, I I couldn't really make out what they were saying. I couldn't make out any syllables or anything like that. It was almost like two drunk guys, uh my interpretation, like two drunk guys coming out of a bar, how they kind of like hanging on one another and just had had a good time. I don't know, you know, they're leaving for the night. And it was from a distance and it was coming up the the road from the dead end. And they it got to our property and then I could hear it a little bit better. And and to me, you know,

• 42:46Speaker 06

  a lot of people say samurai chatter and stuff like that. It it sounded more like tribal language, kind of very similar to the languages that he that you hear in the Pacific Northwest from the tribes. And I think that's maybe um they they definitely have their own language. But I think that maybe it's somewhat mimicking Native American language. I don't know. If you listen to uh the Quinot people, when they speak to one another in their language, you know, it sounded, that's what it kind of reminded me of. But the as it comes up beside the house, it's uh they're just kind of chattering away. But they start getting

• 43:29Speaker 06

  quieter and quieter as they get closer to the house. And when they got up like right beside our bedrooms, it just went dead silent. And then, of course, the next morning we go out and we find impressions or tracks out there.

• 43:43Speaker 06

  And so I was like, okay, that that's how I kind of attributed those vocals, you know, if I found other evidence of them being around, you know, things, maybe something moved or so, or maybe a tree break. We we did have along the the property on the edge of our property, we did have probably, I would say, every fifty fifty yards or so, we would have a tree break, but it wouldn't be a a big massive limb that was broken, you know, like one that's like as thick as your forearm. It would just be these these little limbs that were maybe one or two inch in in diameter, but they'd be twisted and then bent downward.

• 44:27Speaker 06

  They would never just be a clean snap. After a while, I kind of took it that that was kind of a, um, you know, like a a boundary, you know, like, okay, this is your side of the property, but that's our side. So that's kind of the way I took it. And then I had a native guy. He told me that it was actually an elder with the Kuenal tribe. He told me that it was actually a marker for other Sasquatches to let them know that they passed through there. And so I was like, oh, that, you know, that thought never occurred to me either, you know, that's pretty interesting. And then he's like, yeah, if you notice, and it wasn't until he pointed out that the tracks, whenever we find tracks on our property, it's never like they're side by side, like the way you or I would walk with our wife

• 45:12Speaker 06

  or children, you know, through a through an area, you know, you you're close together. But these things, they tend to spread out. You might find tracks right here that are a seventeen inch, but like the fifteen inch individual, we would find their tracks twenty, thirty feet away on the property. So it's like they they they always kept space between them when they traveled. So they would do things like that. That was pretty much our, the, the second year. Um, in October, I'd actually reached out to Mel Skahan, um, who I saw through Flash of Beauty, the, um, the movie Bigfoot Revealed.

• 45:55Speaker 06

  And I reached out to him and, uh, started talking to him to get some advice on, on how to proceed and deal with these things. Uh, cause he, the way he talked about them was very much, uh, the, some of the experiences that he had were very similar to ours. And, uh, he always referred to them as forest people. Most of the native tribes here do refer to them as forest people. There are some native tribes that believe that they're more spiritual than they are of forest, uh, like an actual tribe. Um, but the general consensus is, uh, that they're a type of, of, they're, they're the other tribe, as they call them sometimes.

• 46:38Speaker 06

  And so Mel had mentioned doing, uh, gifting and trying different things to put out for them. So I started doing that. I, uh, and the funny thing was in, in the beginning, you know, there's no instructions or no textbook on how to do these things, right? You know, this is what works, this is what doesn't. So you just kind of got to figure it out as you go with, um, they are picky. They're not like, uh, bears or anything that would just eat everything. They do have a preference in certain foods that they like. And so I always heard apples. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go, I went out and I bought a bunch of apples and I just laid them on the ground. Anytime I would lay like apples or anything like that on the ground,

• 47:23Speaker 06

  any kind of food, they wouldn't touch it. And so I was telling Mel, I was like, yeah, they're not, he's like, where, how are you doing it? And I said, well, I'm putting it on the ground, you know, out there. And he's like, no, no, you need to get like a table or something up to set it on a, on a thing. He's like, would you want to eat your food off the ground? You know, would you wanna, you know, would you wanna? He said, so just to be respectful, place it up on something high. And so that's what I started doing and they never. Touched the apples when I put them out, but it was funny because I did have one time I always count and I had one apple missing and I was like, I got so excited. I came and I told my wife, I said, I said, yeah. So they finally took an apple. I said, or something took an apple.

• 48:06Speaker 06

  She's like, oh, that's great. You know, and it was like two days later, I'm in the bedroom and I opened up my, my window and facing the tree line. There's an apple that is right outside my bedroom window. There's an apple that's impelled on a branch about 12 feet off the ground, right in front of my window. I was like, oh, there's that missing apple.

• 48:30Speaker 06

  What that means, I don't, I don't know. So I took it that maybe they did, they wanted something besides apples because there's plenty of apple trees in the neighborhood. And around the area, you know, being in Washington, apples grow great here. But so I was like, maybe, maybe they're not happy with the apples. So I went out and I tried different things. The two things that I had the biggest success with and things that I could really tell, okay, I could rule out other wildlife taking. Was fresh corn that was still in the husk and plums. So I would, I, I moved this gifting table to, to the side of the house where we would normally get activity in between the house and the tree line.

• 49:13Speaker 06

  And I actually, uh, need to go back a little bit. I actually took down the security cameras when I started gifting because that was the other thing. Mel's like, get rid of the cameras. I was like, you know, I thought about it. I was like, yeah, you know, for whatever reason, they're able to sense the cameras. So that's, that's not working. So I took the cameras down when I started gifting. But I put plums up and I, I set 10, 10 plums out each time and they would always leave four plums behind. They would never take more than, than four at a time. Or more than, um, they would never take them all. They would always leave just a four at a time behind. And I always thought that was interesting.

• 49:58Speaker 06

  I'll, I'll say this too. Not every time that I gifted, did I always get a response. I would say 95% of the time, the stuff probably just rotted. Or would go bad and I would have to throw it away. But there's that other five percent of the time when they would interact. And so the plums, when the, when the plums would come up missing, they would always just be for each, each time that they visited. And I told Mel, I said, that's really weird. I said that they're just leaving, they don't, you know, if it was a bear, I think it would, you know, it's surely a bear is not counting the plums. They would just eat them, eat them, you know?

• 50:40Speaker 06

  And Mel, he said, well, how, how many people are in your family again? I said, well, I said, I said, oh, there's four of us. It's like, yeah, he said, they're probably leaving some for you and your family as a thank you. That was really interesting. Um, I put out the fresh corn on the cob that was still in the husk, not the stuff that you get from Costco where it's kind of chopped on the end. This is like right out of the garden. And so I took that and I would set that out and they would come and they would husk all the corn and, and leave all the, the ra, uh, the

• 51:22Speaker 06

  leaves on the ground and the cob and the corn itself would be gone. And the, the leaves were not ripped. They were not shredded. It wasn't like chewed on. This was just like if you and I were prepping it to, go in the freezer or be cooked, you know, you, how you just peel them back and drop them down, you know, and then discard them later. But that's exactly how, how I would find it in the morning. So I tried a lot of different things though. I tried peanut butter in a jar. That didn't work. I did lay out things like that. I thought that they might need uh, like salt. I put, one time I put salt on a plate

• 52:08Speaker 06

  and something came up and picked up the plate. Uh, I'd set the plate actually up high on the, uh, the window unit on, on the AC unit. So it's about seven feet off the ground. Give or take and something came up and licked it and just ran its tongue through through the middle of the plate. And then set the plate down on my gifting table, back down on the ground. But anytime I tried like processed foods or cooked items, none of that stuff would ever get taken. It was always left behind or it would just go bad. That was going on and um, one night I went outside and I go to do my gifting.

• 52:52Speaker 06

  And when I go around the corner of the house, a tree in the back corner fell. And it's just dead silent out there. There's no wind. There's no storm. I got to where I I would keep the same routine. I would do my gifting every night around seven o'clock. Uh, sharp. I don't know why I just did. I just kept a routine um, with them. So I go out there and I'm and I've got my little bag of goodies for them, um, different things. That I would try and that tree falls. So I go over to the edge of my property and I, you know, I got my headlamp on and I'm looking out there and I can't see anything. It's it's thick as can be.

• 53:35Speaker 06

  And so I just started taking the things out of my bag and holding them up in my headlamp and I was like, all right, I got you guys an orange tonight. I got you guys. You know, some plums, some more plums and yada yada. I'm doing that and it's not that I think that they uh, understand English. It's just more kind of less, I guess, like break the ice and show them that I'm not aggressive. I'm not, I'm not a threat. Just show my demeanor, you know? So I would do something like that occasionally every time I would, well, every time I would gift, I would. When I was done, I would always say to the, go to the edges of the tree line and speaking and be like, all right, guys, here's your goodies. I hope you all enjoy tonight, you know?

• 54:18Speaker 06

  You like them, you like them. If you don't, you don't, you know, something like that. And then I walk off, but. Anyway, so I I was doing that and I put everything back in the bag and I go over to the table and I've got my back to the tree line and I'm taking everything out and I'm arranging it on the table and getting ready to take pictures of it and and all that good stuff to document. And all of a sudden, I hear right behind me in the in the forest, I can hear that there's something big breaking through the brush and it's just coming up and it's and it's coming fast. And so I look over my shoulder and there's two red eyes looking right back at me. I remembered I had my phone on me, so I pulled my phone out and I and I started recording.

• 55:04Speaker 06

  So I got the whole event on video, but you know, I in the video, I'm very calm, you know, I turn around like, oh, how are you?

• 55:15Speaker 06

  Cause this, this was different. This was, uh, everything had at that moment had changed. This was the first time that, um, they, I guess, felt comfortable enough when I wasn't inside the house to come close enough to have that, uh, that type of interaction. And so it's looking at me and occasionally it would, um, it would look over to my right around that or to my left. At that same time where that tree had fell, there was while I'm looking at this thing, something over there in that corner starts ripping and tearing up a brush and it's just, it sounds really upset. Like maybe it's trying to get my attention off of the one that's in front of me.

• 55:59Speaker 06

  And so it would look over there and then it would snap back and look at me, but when it would look, it would, the eyes would go to kind of an amber color, then to a golden color as the light hit the side of the eye. And then when it would look back at me directly and snap back, it would be a solid red. This whole thing lasted for about five minutes and I realized um, I'm holding a spoonful of baking grease in my hands. And so I was like, you know what, um, this thing's not backing down and it's not really coming forward anymore. But, uh, I'm between it and the food that that thought occurred. And so I was like,

• 56:43Speaker 06

  it's not a, not a good place I want to be right now. So I, I finished up, I set the stuff down and I, I started to leave, you know, I and as I got to the corner of my house, when I got to the, I, I stopped the video at that point, but when I started to leave, when I got to the corner of my house, I turned around and, uh, to look over my shoulder one last time. And

• 57:10Speaker 06

  There, there it was, right there on the tree, uh, maybe ten feet from me now. And it's like peeking out from behind the tree and my, uh, headlamp hits it. And I can see the, the eyes, I can see the outline of the head, I can see the shoulder and the arm that's reaching around the, to hold the tree, um, the hand on the tree. And as soon as I hit it with the headlamp, it sucked back behind the, the tree again. Um, hiding, and then that's when I took off running because I never heard it. You know, that like I said, when I first went out there and I was gifting, I could hear it coming up behind me. And that's when I looked behind me. Well, when I moved to the corner of the house this time, I never heard it.

• 57:54Speaker 06

  Moved through the forest, it, it, it closed a considerable amount of, uh, space between us without me hearing it. And I, I've talked to other researchers, some of them said that it might've been a, a third one there the whole time. That was on the tree, maybe that's why I never heard it because it, what I was actually looking at the first time, um, was not the same one. And I was like, that, that kind of makes sense, but, uh, still, I never, never heard it. And, uh, so that was really spooky and it was, it was a lot closer than I wanted it to be. So I, I tell they got inside.

• 58:33Speaker 06

  The next morning I went out there though, and I went to that spot where the eye shine was, and I found a fifteen and inch half, uh, track. And there was a tree that was just like split in half and something to grab this tree and just split it right down the middle. Right where it was standing. But I figured we did a little recreation thing and, um, the, the folks from, uh, Sasquatch Island came out. And we did a little re- recreation. We go down in there and the ground drops quite a bit where that area is. And so we, you know, we line up everything and we determined through the recreation that it was about

• 59:18Speaker 06

  seven and a half feet off the ground in, in height, just based off the video and, and the little recreation thing that we did in the, the distance where I found the track in the split tree. So that was, that was, uh, and all that's documented too. Um, actually I can send that to you. I'll send you everything. I've nothing to, nothing to hide, you know? And after that, it seemed like everything had kind of changed with these, uh, creatures, you know, with these animals, whatever you want to call them. Uh, they felt more comfortable, I would say. It, it seemed like they felt more comfortable coming closer without us being in the house.

• 1:00:03Speaker 06

  Uh, up until that point, they would do things. Um, there was one time when they, I'd seen the floodlight had went off on the side of the house and I'd seen it run beside the house. And so I'm, I go to the, that sunroom that I was talking about and I was watching and I was looking, I'd seen it, it, it ran into a, a, a group of bushes. But it's kind of pinned down because right on the other side is the lake. So there's really nowhere for it to go. And then something came up behind the house and banged, slapped, slapped on the backside of the house. And that's when I spun around and, um, so they would, they would do things whenever you would see them

• 1:00:48Speaker 06

  or catch a glimpse of them outside, they would kind of do things almost to, to try to distract you to get your attention off the other one. Like if you, um, or if you were getting, uh, to. You know, you're in the house and you're you're looking at a certain area where you're positive there's something there, but you really can't quite see it. Something else would happen somewhere else on the property that would get your attention to to. So they they kind of like to distract you, you know, when you're getting close to one of them. So that that night that I did the gifting, that was the first night that, other than the one in the corner tearing up the brush and everything, I think that was just maybe more mad at the

• 1:01:32Speaker 06

  other one, it sounded like. It might have been Dylan with a younger one. I said it was only seven, seven and a half feet tall from the recreation that we did. Having them in the spotlight, having them in the headlight, you know, maybe that aggravated the others. But yeah, we just continued to have stuff occur off and on over the years. It was never like never predictable. I would say that it seemed like June and July were really good months when we could could expect something, if something was gonna happen. And then October, September, October and November were also good months when when stuff would happen. We would hear a lot of vocalizations in the winter time, especially in like October and

• 1:02:17Speaker 06

  November. You would hear off the north slope, you could hear things, screams and howls and stuff like that. There was one night shortly after the gifting incident when I was sitting in my my recliner, probably like December, now right around December. I'm sitting in my recliner and I'm looking at the watching the TV and the way the way our house was, it was kind of an open floor plan. And my wife, she put lines up and curtains up on all the windows except for the kitchen window. I asked her if we could at least leave the kitchen window uncovered so that way at nighttime,

• 1:02:58Speaker 06

  you know, these things could kind of see us, see into the house of just part of the house. They couldn't see the whole house, you know, they could see the kitchen area and they could see a very, very small portion of the of the living room. But the rest of the house was like off limits unless it was during the daytime. They got close enough in the in the tree line to to see him because during the daytime we would have the windows and everything open. So, yeah, I asked her to do that and she very reluctantly, you know, she's like, yeah, she's like, that's fine, you know, so. My daughter, she's over there. She's doing dishes. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching TV and I can see straight in there and I can see her. And um. That that kitchen window is like right in front of her where the where the sink is.

• 1:03:44Speaker 06

  And so normally it's. You know, when I looked in there this night, you know, there was something different. Um, I couldn't quite. Tell what was different. But I just knew that something was was uh.

• 1:03:59Speaker 06

  You know, like, kind of like when you come home and your spouse or your your wife or whatever, your partner. Move something, your roommate moves something in the house, but you can't quite figure it out. You just know that there's something different about it. That's kind of what it was. I was looking. It wasn't like nothing like real noticeable. But then a thought occurred to me like normally at nighttime, when I look at the kitchen window, it's a glossy black. Shine, you know, because it's just a kitchen light that's reflecting. And so and everything outside, I mean, like you care, you can't see your, you know. You can't see three feet out of the window. Just whatever is illuminated by the kitchen light.

• 1:04:41Speaker 06

  But the window thi- this night had kind of a smoky gray color to it. But it was the whole window. And so I'm like, I'm still like, you know. I don't know if that's it, maybe. But anyways, I just know something's not right. So I tell my daughter, I said, hey. I said, if you want, I said, you can um, you can stop doing your dishes now and and I'll finish them up later. And so like any kid, you know, all excited. Um, as she's running away from the window. Uh, or I mean, not really running, but as she's leaving the kitchen. That whole window, something, whatever the smoky gray was, it just. Step to the side and you could just see the glossy black shine. Come across the window again. So there was something.

• 1:05:25Speaker 06

  Outside the window. That was filling the entire window. And uh, it was just standing there watching. And so I go out the next morning and of course, there's tracks right there and um, they're about 12 feet away from the kitchen window. The kitchen window itself was. Uh, about six feet off the ground and about.

• 1:05:49Speaker 06

  Four foot, four foot wide and I would say probably, probably four and a half, five foot. It was a weird shaped window. That's why it took so long. I said when it, in the beginning, when it was busted out, we had to special order it. But yeah, it did, uh, it had been standing there watching her. That happens and then she goes on and she's, she's playing, she's happy in her bedroom. Nothing else happens that night really for, until we go to bed. And we go to bed after we lay down. We've been laying down for maybe about forty minutes. And there was a impact on the backside of the house, just a real quick, real, you know, s- something heavy hit, hit the back, backside of it. It almost felt like it hit where our bedroom was.

• 1:06:34Speaker 06

  So like I said, you know, I went out the next morning to go look for tracks and stuff. I found the tracks. Um, they're about twelve feet from the, from the kitchen window. But when you go down a little bit further, you have our bedroom. And the first thing that I noticed was it's all shingles, wooden shingles on the side of the house. And one of the shingles was busted on the backside of the house and on, on the ground was a, kind of like a, um, most like a tennis ball sized stone that had impacted the back of the house that hit that shingle. What was funny was, um, about the whole thing to me was that was right where my, on the other side where that shingle was busted

• 1:07:16Speaker 06

  was where I sleep. So I was kind of like, I, I kind of turned around, you know, I'm holding the stone in my hand. I kind of turned around. I'm facing the tree line. I'm looking at my, all right. You know, you, you got, you got pissed off. You got in your feelings because I took away your entertainment, you know? Um, and so I figured, I figured that's what that would, would, what that meant, you know? I don't know. Uh, like I said, you don't know, there's no textbook or anything, but that is the only time that, um, we ever experienced any kind of behavior out of them that was kind of, I guess, passive aggressive. I don't know. It was, it was, to me, it was more kind of amusing because it's like, okay, you know, like a little kid throws a fit, you know? Type behavior.

• 1:08:01Speaker 06

  Uh, so yeah, we, we just had a lot of little stuff that would, would happen off and on over the years while we were living out there. We had, uh, in any time we would have guests or visitors come and stay with us, it always seemed like the activity increased then. We would, we would almost be guaranteed if we had guests to have, uh, activity. And so like my aunt, she's not a believer at all. She's, you know, that's just like hocus pocus. That's, you know, Bigfoot is the world of make believe type stuff. So she comes and she stays with us and, uh,

• 1:08:43Speaker 06

  she's sleeping in our daughter's room and she wants to have the window open at nighttime. We're telling her, we're like, yes, it's probably not a good idea. She's like, nah, y'all, you know, it'll be fine. Y'all don't know. And I'm like, no, you don't know. So she, she's, um, laying there and around two in the morning, she gets up and she goes to the bathroom and she comes back and she lays down in the bed and she can hear something walk up to the window. She's got her back to the window. Um, she's facing the wall and she can hear something walk up

• 1:09:21Speaker 06

  to the window and she can hear it like press on the screen, uh, that's on the window and take like deep breaths, almost like it's just, it's not like a, a quick snort, you know, like a berry, you know, they, you know, that it was just a, you know, the way she described it, but deeper than you or I would do it. So I asked her, I said, I said, Aileen, I said, did you, um, did you look over at the window? Did you bother to look over at it? And she said, hell no, I didn't look over at it. She said, I was too damn scared. I said, well, I said, do you believe now? And she, I said, do you believe her? Is that what you're saying? And she said,

• 1:10:02Speaker 06

  I don't know if I'm gonna say I'm a believer, but I believe you got something weird going on out here. So she um she she had her little little thing. We had two two ladies that heard about our our property through Mel and Mel had uh they were coming down to visit. And they were going to a Bigfoot convention. They wanted to know if they could camp in our backyard. And so they were up in Canada and um they're doing a little Olympic Peninsula thing. So Mel put them in contact with me and I was like, I don't I don't know about having strangers in my backyard.

• 1:10:46Speaker 06

  Nobody had ever camped in the backyard and I but I told him I was like, yeah, you know, yeah, that's fine. I I got nothing to hide. If y'all want to come, come on down and um you can you're camping in the backyard. And I told I told them though, I said, you know, if it I said, once we lay down and go to bed, though, I said, if it gets too sketchy, you may have to bug out to your car or something and and may leave because we're not coming outside. And uh I said, my doors will be locked, you know, and she's like, okay, you know, that's that's fine. And uh so anyways, they come, they we sit out there around a campfire and I told them, I said, you know, they one thing that I that I tell people is just act natural, you know, if you

• 1:11:30Speaker 06

  because it seemed like anytime that we would try to find them or anytime we would try to go looking for them or set up cameras where we saw tracks or anything, activity would just stop. But when we just acted natural and we're being ourselves on our property, that's when things would happen. And so I told them, I said, you know, we'll set up in the backyard. Instead of y'all walking and climbing all over the property, we'll just act like campers, you know, we'll see what happens. And so we heard some weird noises, but nothing that I could really say was like Sasquatch behavior, you know, or or you know, it's it's stuff that I could attribute to other things as well. And around eleven o'clock at night, you know, we decided to call it uh call it a night and uh

• 1:12:16Speaker 06

  no, it was ten o'clock. I'm sorry, ten o'clock at night. We call it a night and. Um, I go inside the house and they they brought some gifts for the gifting table. Um, and I told them, you know, what I do, I typically just go to the edge of the forest and I, you know, say a little spiel and tell them, hey, you know, this is what I got, yada, yada. And I, and I explained why I do that, you know, not that I think Bigfoot understands, but maybe he understands my demeanor and my body language. They do that. And they said, hey, we're looking to just have an experience, you know, hopefully not a scary experience. You know, they lay out some peanuts and different things and then some plums and they had three plums.

• 1:13:01Speaker 06

  They go to bed. Next morning they are around two, two in the morning for them. I think she said, I have to go back and look at my uh, text message sent me, but around two in the morning, she, the one lady, she got up to go use the bathroom. And when she is zipping, unzipping the fly to the tent, something big was right outside the tent. She said, I mean, it was, it was just massive and she could steer it as it ran past the tent. And when it ran past the tent, it ran past with such force that the wind kind of shook the tent a little bit. And so she immediately zipped everything back up

• 1:13:44Speaker 06

  and just laid there and uh, it woke the other lady up as well that was with her and uh, sing jumps into the forest and it runs off through the through the woods. Well, the next morning they get up and everything's gone from the gifting table except for the uh, plums. Uh, there's one plum that's left. He took two of the plums but left one. And they, there was uh, impressions, I wouldn't say tracks, but impressions around the tent and on the ground out there. So they, they were like, wow, you know, they were like, thank you so much for letting us come stay at your house. I was like, y'all are braver than I am. I wouldn't sleep out there in a tent. No, it's out there.

• 1:14:27Speaker 06

  Um, so yeah, that's, I mean, those were the, those were the main things, you know, other than just uh, over the, over time, we would have uh, things that would come up missing from the property. Um, there was one time when we had uh, I'd taken my truck. Across the peninsula to pick up some furniture and and it was late by the time I got home. So I just got the furniture out of the out of the bed of the truck, but I left all the straps and the ropes in the bed of the truck. And the next morning I get up to go to uh to work. And when I go to work, it's like three in the morning, right? So you can't really see um in the bed of the truck or anything. It's dark and I have no reason to look in there anyways.

• 1:15:12Speaker 06

  So I'm coming out for first break. And as I'm coming out for my first break, I noticed in the bed of my truck, there's a pile of uh limbs and brush back there. So I'm like, I'm pulling it out. I'm like, how the hell, what the hell, you know? And I'm pulling it all out of the the bed of my truck. And I noticed all my ropes and tow straps were gone. They were missing. And so I was like that, I was like, I wonder if they, you know? I said, I hope nobody gets tied up with that rope. I'm gonna have a lot of explaining to do. But uh, yeah, so little things like that would occur off and on throughout the pro.

• 1:15:51Speaker 06

  Uh, nothing that you could say definitively or concrete, but it was just weird uh how some of the things would occur. And I couldn't really attribute them to other other behaviors of uh known things like bears. We did, we did have a bear in the neighborhood. He would come up to the property, but he would never come on the property. And I always thought that was weird. We uh we would catch him on the security cam camera. And he would come up and sniff and then he would like, he would kind of hesitate and he would kind of hang out. And then he would just turn around and leave. He would never come on the property or never near the gifting table, especially where we had the bacon grease and stuff.

• 1:16:33Speaker 06

  And so I knew that that had to be like just torture for a bear. But I always found that to be interesting also, that that that black bear would never come over to the gifting table and eat.

• 1:16:46Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that is interesting. It's almost like the bear knew better than to test the waters on coming on that property. You know, I've seen these creatures. They terrify me. And I'm not proud to say that. But having said that, if I have a property and these things are coming on, and I have a wife and I have kids, I'm going to be first to step in front of the bus, so to speak. I'm going to become Papa Bear real quick in that situation, very protective. And so you set up these rules, you know, no one can go out at night. Here, we're going to close the shades to where you are now setting up a

• 1:17:29Wes Germer?

  gifting stump to leave food or whatever for them. And I'm curious on your mindset. You know, if you had a black bear on your property, it would cause concern. The last thing you're going to do is leave food out for it. How do you go from having a set of rules like that to where you're concerned? To where now you're leaving food out for them and you're trying to interact with them? What was your mindset doing that? What was it you were trying to accomplish?

• 1:18:02Speaker 06

  Well, I was hoping to maybe establish. So I'd listened to a lot of shows, your show included, and I had heard a handful of people, I can't remember, I think, I think you did a show one time about a family in Oklahoma, maybe, or maybe that's another show that had something similar. But I've heard of a handful of people who had experiences similar to mine. And so, and I would always say, I'd be like, man, those people are nuts. You know, like when I listened to the show and it would air, I'm like, great story, but that guy's

• 1:18:41Speaker 06

  nuts. Or that lady's nuts, you know? And then it started happening to us. So I was like, you know, I kind of wanted to, after talking to Mel and some of the other natives and stuff, maybe see if I could establish a better, I don't know how to say it without it sounding completely crazy, but. Try to, try to get a better understanding of these things. Try to bridge a gap, some type of communication going between us. Cause I do feel like they're super intelligent. They're not, you know, they have language. Um, they have an ability to reason, I think. Um, they, you know, just the fact that they would leave four

• 1:19:24Speaker 06

  plums behind when we would gift, you know, uh, little things like that. Uh, so I, I kinda wanted to learn more about them and I was hoping that through gifting might maybe kind of build some level of trust, uh, to where we could, we could, uh, maybe see them a little better or maybe, um, learn something more. I think that it's okay to have the interactions, but I think there needs to be boundaries and, um, limits. And I think that by doing that, like closing the windows, hey, we don't go out, we don't, um, you know, the girls don't communicate

• 1:20:05Speaker 06

  back with them if they did hear them, you know, things like that. And then two, you know, uh, I would, I would let them know, you know, I would just, I think on a, on a couple of occasions, like I would go out there and be like, hey, that's not cool, you know, uh, not that I think that they understand, but again, body language. Um, so there, there was like one time when they slapped the side of the house and, uh, the next day I went out there just when I did my gifting, I was like, hey, this, and I kinda demonstrated it. And so I think that by doing that, you know, kind of is trying to establish some boundaries. And for the most part, it seemed to work, you know, like if I told them, you know, I didn't,

• 1:20:46Speaker 06

  I didn't appreciate something or something, there was a behavior and then I, I immediately would show, but it only happened like twice. The, the majority of their behavior was more curiosity. Um, I never took it and neither did my girls or my, my wife. We never took it as aggressive or threatening, um, in any way. So we just felt like, okay, if we establish some rules by not doing this and this and this, then

• 1:21:19Speaker 06

  Maybe it's okay to proceed. Of course, we were talking with other researchers, but again, there's no textbook, right? There's no way of knowing how this would go. I know that there was sometimes people say, well, gifting is dangerous, you know, because they become accustomed to it. But there would be times where we would gift and then they wouldn't even take the gift and they would just, but we would see the tracks or impressions around the house in the morning. And then there would be sometimes where I wouldn't gift at all for maybe like a month or two, just because life happens and you get busy and you're not able to get out there and do what you want to do.

• 1:21:58Speaker 06

  And so we never experienced any type of passive or aggressive or any type of aggressive behavior for not gifting, I should say. I think that in different parts of the country, from what I've read and from what I've studied and seen, it seems like behaviors can vary. But out here, it just seemed like, you know, if we had it out there for them and it was something that they liked, they were like, cool. I do know that there was a couple of times when I went for a period of time without gifting, like two or three months, there was one time where there was like a good, I come around the corner one day of the house and there was actually like a basketball sized boulder

• 1:22:41Speaker 06

  sitting on top of the gifting table. So I called up my friend Mel and I was like, hey, I was like, how do you interpret that? He's like, they probably want more food. So I was like, okay, guys, I'll get you something, you know, I'll put something out tonight. But yeah, we never experienced anything that would, I would, if it started to become aggressive or anything like that, we would just shut it down. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have continued doing what we're doing. We would have changed things up. We definitely would, would have put all the cameras back up, went a different route with doing it, but they seemed to always just be curious and on some level respectful of our property for the most part.

• 1:23:27Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I know I sound like a judgmental dick when I ask that question, but I didn't mean it that way. Please don't take it that way. I'm a Pisces, man. We go off of our emotions. And if something's trying to talk to my daughter or scaring my wife, and I see it on my ring cam, now I know what to kill. But again, that's probably not the greatest answer or attitude to have. That's just kind of where my mind would go. And I get your mindset, Matt. I understand what you're saying. You're trying to build rapport. And I always get nervous when people talk about setting up these gifting stations because you're playing a game you have no control over.

• 1:24:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're you're right, though. You don't you don't know. And you hear all the stories like we heard, you know, up here, the the L W A, they have the Whispering Woman, you know, as she whispers to the children at night and steals them, you know, and then so on and so on, like the Buckwass in the Zinacqua in Vancouver, you know, similar stories of taking children and putting them in baskets and stuff like that. But so you kind of have to wonder a little bit, you know, like, where do those stories, where do those legends come from? Are those based off of like, you know, people who had experiences kind of like ours? So you you don't know. But at the same time,

• 1:24:54Speaker 06

  like where we live, the way I look at it, you know, we live very rural, very remote, you know, there's mountain lions, there's bears, there's all kinds of, you know, there's, there's a lot of, you know, dangers just from the natural wildlife out here. And so, you know, you just take your precautions, you be careful, have an open mind if it if it seems like it's going in a direction that you don't want it to go. There are things that you can do, I think, that you are like, putting up cameras for one, you know, because that for whatever reason, that seemed to work. There when we didn't have the cameras up, though, I'll say this too, when I took the cameras down.

• 1:25:35Speaker 06

  If they wanted to do something, they could have definitely done it because I would go to work at three in the morning. Uh, like clockwork. Well, about three forty, I would head out the door to my truck and I'd be out there all by myself, walking to my truck. And uh, that would be a perfect time if you were gonna do something. Yeah, you, you don't know. So you, you kind of start off and you're kind of careful. I did a lot of research and a lot of looking into that gifting stuff before I did it. And I talked to um, some other people who had done it before I made up my mind. It wasn't like a, just a decision that I jumped right into.

• 1:26:16Speaker 06

  I had spoke to Mel Skahan, who has done it and he's had some level of success with it and some other people that I talked to that he put me in touch with. So I kind of, I kind of weighed all that a little bit in my brain before I, before I did it. And some time had actually passed where um, we're about two years into these experiences and we hadn't experienced anything aggressive. So I felt like maybe, maybe it's okay to try to up it to the next level and see what happens.

• 1:26:50Wes Germer?

  And again, I know that you, you moved away from the property about three months ago, but while this was going on, did you notice a rapport change between you and the creatures while you were gifting? I guess before you moved, you never really stopped gifting, but did you ever notice a rapport change?

• 1:27:07Speaker 06

  No, it, uh, it never, the rapport never really changed. I mean, you know, if it was out there and, and there was something they liked, they took it. And if not, then they would just sit there. That, and I will say there's, there were some times, you know, like plums, I would have the plums out and we would find tracks on the property, but the plums were never touched. So it's like you said, ninety-five percent of the time, they didn't really take anything off the gifting table. Um, but there's, there's that five percent of the time where they go, ah, you know what? Tonight, you know, I guess they were filling it or something. So they would take it. But other than that, no, we never experienced anything

• 1:27:48Speaker 06

  um, other than the rock, you know, being placed on the table when I would go uh, for some time without. Being gifted. I know that little river stone that I talked about banging on the uh the air conditioning unit. One thing that I I didn't mention before, I don't think uh was that the river stone, we would take that away and like I I I kept it. I took it inside the house. But another river stone would be put up there. So like we could uh, you know, if we move the river stone or or put it on the ground, there, you know, may go two or three weeks without anything.

• 1:28:29Speaker 06

  And then you come around the corner and there'd be a little river stone sitting on top of that window unit. So I why I don't, I don't understand that at all. So I just got to where I left that alone and um even when we moved, it was still sitting up there. So I left it. I just whatever, but.

• 1:28:45Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that, especially leaving the boulder on the uh gifting stump that's or the gifting table. That's kind of weird. And you kind of alluded to it earlier, not really alluded. You kind of said it that you think it's more of a hominid. So you're kind of thinking it's more of a human, not so much animal?

• 1:29:04Speaker 06

  I think it's, I think it has more human tendencies than an animal. Yes, I do. Um. There it was funny that this very question came up the other day at work, you know, I work for the state of Washington now and um, I got back into doing what I did back home, but some guy, he said, he said, uh, he said, I don't believe in Bigfoot. He said, you believe in, you really believe in all that mess, Parrish? And then I said, no, I said, I don't, I don't believe in Bigfoot, not the sense, not the Bigfoot that you're talking about. And he's like, what do you, what do you mean? I said, the pop culture Bigfoot, the one that is just some dumb ape on two legs running around. I think it's much more than that.

• 1:29:45Speaker 06

  Based off of my experiences, I do believe um I know that there's something out there. What they are, I I couldn't tell you, but to say it's just another animal, I I think that's, I don't think that's completely accurate. There's something a little bit more than than just animal. They they have language, they like I said, they have uh. From what it from what I can see, uh reasoning ability, um. Just. You know, there's there's more to them and they're highly intelligent uh to to be able to. Stay hidden this long, that's and as big as they are, you know, that's that's the other thing uh too. It's just uh.

• 1:30:30Speaker 06

  It's it's baffling, you know, I know that there are some people who have. Paranormal experiences with these things, you know, some people say that they can cloak, some people say that they. I've had people ask me, did they ever speak to you telepathically, we we never experienced anything like that. We did have one um guest that came to our house one time, uh. It was a professor, uh his name is Mike Nits out of uh with the University of South Dakota. And uh he came there to do a uh he he's a research. Kind of project there, he's gonna be bringing a a class around the peninsula and showing them different spots, but.

• 1:31:12Speaker 06

  Anyways, he he wanted to stay at the property, so him and another friend, and so they they stayed and um. They. Claimed that they they saw. Some strange lights, I I'd never seen any strange lights and and I did not personally see the strange lights. That they were seeing. But they also slept outdoors and I slept inside my house cuz I'm not fixed. You know, I didn't, although I I felt like these things were not dangerous. I didn't feel comfortable enough sleeping in a tent, you know. I didn't wanna, I didn't wanna quite test that that out yet, but. I don't think it's an animal, I think it's, I don't think it's a person.

• 1:31:56Speaker 06

  Either, I think it's something in between uh uh um like a hominid.

• 1:32:02Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I agree with you. A lot of their behavior seems more than just an animal. I get completely your mindset and I don't blame you either. You know, if I had two Bigfoot researchers come hang out in a tent on my property, I'd rather be in a warm bed with my beautiful wife than out there with them. They don't blame me for not going out there. It's an amazing account, man. I really appreciate you coming on. I was, it's a pleasure to meet you. I saw you on Flash of Beauty and I was like, wow, I really want to chat with this guy. So it was a real honor having you on. Thank you again for coming on.

• 1:32:41Speaker 06

  Oh yeah. No, thank you for having me.

• 1:32:43Wes Germer?

  And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

• 1:33:57Speaker 06

  So we both must be a little wiser

• 1:34:02Speaker 06

  To do something a quieter With the lights on This is my home Close your eyes Memories of you dear Untie your eyes Close at the sky I'll mesmerize Memories of you dear

• 1:34:49Speaker 06

  With the lights on This is my home Close your eyes Memories of you dear Untie your eyes Close at the sky I'll mesmerize Memories of you dear

• 1:35:54Speaker 03

  Same just your memory You're a smile and a feeling 'Cause I found the key to your heart