SC EP:1169 No doubt he was coming to kill us

Carrie writes "It's taken me almost 3 years to write this email. I've tried a few times over the years but convinced myself that you probably won't contact me so I just deleted the other emails. But I have an encounter that happened to me when I was 20 and the details of what I seen will stick with me for the rest of my life! Long story (extremely short:) Me and my x boyfriend was at the boat ramp on Quintette River in Escambia Florida at dusk. The sun was still up enough we could see good but it was starting to set. This was around the beginning of summer as I remember sitting at the ramp on shorts. We was killing time until we went back to his house. We was there an hour maybe a little more before we heard a HUGE splash from across the river, which is a decent size river. Before the splash, there was dead silence.. Across from the ramp it's nothing but woods and forest for miles. I thought a bear or alligator jumped into the river and was swimming to us so we ran to my truck that was parked at the edge of the ramp. I turned on my headlights so we could see clearly and the creature was already halfway across the river! It was RUNNING NOT SWIMMING with it's hands over it's head almost like an over hand swimming motion but he never went deeper than his chest. The way he was able to cross a river that deep and swift as fast as he did was mind-blowing and I almost couldn't comprehend it at the time. I was frozen in fear when it got to the end of the ramp, I expected it to keep coming up the ramp but instead it pulled it's self up on the DOCK and it stared at us, eyes wide teeth showing. I can describe everything from every wrinkle in his face, his devilish eyes, nails, arms, chest EVERYTHING! The ramp is over 4 foot wide and his chest was as big of not a little bigger then the width of the ramp! It started climbing up the end of the ramp, after I got a good look at everything, I backed up and turned the truck around as fast as I could and got out of there. Years later there are STILL finger nail marks on that ramp where it pulled itself up! Since then I have met my current Boyfriend (he has his own encounter where he was chased by one a couple years before we met) and we love to go out riding at dusk to dawn throughout the night in the forest looking to see what we can come across. We love all animals and how beautiful the night sky is. We stay alert and because of that we have a few different times and I have a couple daytime pictures of different things that happened but none as clear as the time I was less than 15 foot from one. I have more details regarding his face, color and everything from when it came across the river at me but it would take a long time to explain in an email. I truly hope you reach out to me! I would love to tell my encounter and describe in detail every thing I seen as he stared me down in the few minutes before I could drive away. No doubt he was coming to kill us, he was very evil, his eyes dark and teeth showing!"

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better... Sir? See ya!

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out of here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh.

• 1:36Speaker 04

  This is Shawnee and Lola from Utah. You're listening to... Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:13Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Carrie and Carrie comes to us from Florida and about 15, 16 years ago. She had this terrifying encounter down at a boat ramp. I'll let her kind of go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome my Carrie to the show. Carrie, thanks for coming on.

• 2:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, yes, sir. Thank you for having me.

• 2:58Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you had this terrifying account down there at a boat ramp in Florida. Before this encounter happened, what was kind of your take on the whole subject of Sasquatch?

• 3:11Speaker 06

  I grew up in Florida. My grandparents lived in Alabama. So when I would go and hang out with my grandparents in the summer, he used to always tell me to watch out for the woolly boogers. And I didn't really know what he meant, but I knew that he meant there was obviously something in the woods that I need to be careful of. And I wasn't for sure if it was like a big bear or something, but he just would always tell me, "You look out for the woolly boogers when you're out there." And you could tell it wasn't a joke. You could tell he was serious. So when I would go out riding my four wheeler, I would always, you know, be careful, make sure there was nothing around that would scare me. If I stopped somewhere, because I was big about exploring different places. Like I would come across old cemeteries out there that had been grown up and stuff. And I'd, you know, try to like, kind of go through it a little bit. And if I'd start hearing something, I'd get out of there, you know,

• 3:55Speaker 06

  because my granddaddy always told me to watch out for stuff. So I'd never seen one. I didn't really know what it was. But I knew that there was something that granddaddy wanted me to be really careful of when I was up there in the woods.

• 4:07Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I've noticed down south, they don't really use the term Bigfoot. They'll say woolly booger, they'll say booger. I've heard boogeyman. And you know, your grandfather kind of warning you about being out there and running into the woolly booger. That's definitely interesting. If you would take me back, how long ago did this encounter happen to you in Florida? And if you would just kind of walk me into it.

• 4:35Speaker 06

  It actually happened about 16 years ago. It happened off of Quintet River. And the only reason I know for sure it was 16 years ago is because it was right before I got pregnant on my son. And that's whenever this really clear one happened. Um, I've had a couple of little, little kind of like questionable ones. If it was another one later on, you know, just recently this year I had one. But um, the one I'm fixing to tell you about was extremely clear and it was definitely an experience. So about 16 years ago, I was, I had a truck, it was a little S10 and it had big speakers in it. So you could hear it coming, you know, for a little ways down the road for sure. And even if it was turned down, you know, those bass speakers were still kind of loud.

• 5:17Speaker 06

  So me and my ex boyfriend at the time, we were going to kill a little bit of time because it was starting to get dark. And his brother was at the house and they were fixing to leave and like a big group of people were fixing to leave. And we just didn't want to show up, you know, around a bunch of people. So we were just waiting about an hour, hour and a half to go back to their house. So we pulled up down Quintet River, there's a little boat ramp there. And we pulled up at the boat ramp, there was no one there. It was um, starting to get dusk, not really too dark. You couldn't see nothing or anything, but you could see perfectly good, you know? It wasn't like it was questionable what was out there. I mean, when we pulled up, it was still enough daylight, you could see the river, you could see across the river. And this river isn't really a very tiny river, but it's pretty wide.

• 6:01Speaker 06

  And I never knew really how deep it is. I don't know how deep it is to this day. But I know that when we pulled up down there, I was able to go to the end of the boat ramp, which is about maybe five, between five to six foot from the tip of where my car was parked. Because I had pulled my car up as far as I could. And um, we got out, I jumped up on the boardwalk, we walked down and we sat down at the end of the boardwalk. Well, me and him were sitting out there. It was super quiet. Once I turned off my car, the music stopped. Um, I don't remember really hearing anything, to be honest with you. And um, occasionally you'd hear a car drive by on the bridge.

• 6:40Speaker 06

  But other than that, from what I remember and then talking to him afterwards, we didn't hear anything. We didn't hear crickets. We didn't hear, you know, birds or anything, but we didn't think nothing of it at the time. So we're sitting out there and we were talking, just kind of like, you know, just chatting and I am kind of talkative and I get giggly, so I'm not sure if maybe I laughed too hard or maybe I, we were talking too loud. I don't know what caused it to get so mad at us, but out of nowhere, we heard a huge splash. And when we looked up directly across from where we were sitting, there was this, I could still see it still halfway falling into the water.

• 7:23Speaker 06

  Like whatever it was was big enough that when the splash started and I drifted my head up, I could still see it still falling into the water. Does that make sense? Like it jumped down off of an embankment that was about maybe two or three foot out of the water on the other side. And there's trees there, but it's not super, super thick. Like you can kind of see a little bit through the trees. And we didn't see nothing moving or nothing over there, never heard nothing. And so when it jumped in like that, my first thought was alligator. And then when I seen it still falling in, I was like, no, no, no, that can't be maybe a bear. And so me and him looked at each other and we ran up to the truck to turn my headlights on. Because this river is, I mean, it's wide enough that we didn't feel like we were in direct danger at the time.

• 8:06Speaker 06

  So we go turn on my headlights and by the time we got to that headlights and turned them on, and I'm telling you, maybe if I was going to stretch, you know, the distance between where we were sitting to the truck, you couldn't stretch it no farther than ten foot, but I really believe it was about five or six foot from where we were. It wasn't too far at all. So I jump into the truck and I'm standing right there where I have one foot on my um, my dad, my seat and then one foot on my um, you know, the floorboard. I flipped on the truck lights because I'm only five foot. So I'm standing up on top of the truck and I'm looking and It was, it was weird to understand what I was seeing because I thought it was a monkey,

• 8:48Speaker 06

  which obviously monkeys are small and really the correct term would probably been gorilla. But I screamed out, is that a monkey man? Because it looked like a big ol' gorilla man coming across the river. And Alvin's face looked at me with big eyes and he just looked at me and didn't say nothing. And I was, I was watching it and it had already made it about halfway through the river. And that river is wide, Wes, and I don't know how deep it is. But I never, never seen that water go anywhere um above his like, right above around where his waist would have been. And he came across that river and his hands were coming over his head.

• 9:30Speaker 06

  Like you know how people will run through the water, how they have like that overhand stride thing? Kind of thing going on where they are running their hands or coming above their water to kind of help them go faster?

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was going across the river like that and I was in pure shock. And I was expecting him to come up the boat ramp where the water was. And I had my cr- I crunk up my truck when I realized how close it had got already. And I was sitting waiting and I was fixing, like we were in the truck and out of the truck at the same time. Like we were just waiting to shut the doors because we were seeing how close could we get? And when it started getting closer to that dock, me and him both slammed the doors. I put it in reverse and I held the brakes. And I was expecting, like I said, for it to go up the ramp. And I was just gonna turn around and leave because I thought, once it gets to the ramp, I could just floor it and go, it's some kind of monkey or gorilla go out here. Because way back in like, I believe like the seventies,

• 10:23Speaker 06

  there's a story about a zoo that used to be out in the end of Muskogee Road in twenty nine. And in my brain, I remember telling, I remember telling my friend, I said, or my ex-boyfriend, I said, there is an old zoo out here, he must have escaped. And he laughed at me and he said, no, no, no, no, no. But that's all he said. So I'm thinking it's gotta be like gorilla or something. So when it comes at the water, I'm just gonna floor it, turn around and we're gonna get out of here. Well, the closer it got to that dock, it grabbed a hold of the dock and it pulled itself up in the most fluid effortless motion that I have ever seen. Like, it's giving me chills trying to explain just how simple this huge just this huge creature pulled itself up

• 11:08Speaker 06

  easier than, it looked like he was picking up a piece of paper, like it was effortless. And when he pulled himself up, he stopped for a second and I froze. He had a normal, just what I would explain, what you would think what a caveman would kind of look like, face. He had a flat nose, he had eyes, he looked human, but animalistic at the same time.

• 11:40Speaker 06

  He had hair that went above his, it was around his face where it went up above his brow ridge, which really stuck out and prominent. It came down, I didn't see any hair directly on his nose or mouth area. But everywhere else, it was a reddish brown dark color hair, almost like the color, it was exactly color of pine straw, like when it dries out and it gets old and it starts, you know, once it balled. And he had the darkest, I've never seen pure evil in my life. The way I could feel it and see it when he made contact. And I feel like he was just looking straight at me.

• 12:26Speaker 06

  And every wrinkle he had on his face, because I had the headlights shining right on him. Every wrinkle I seen it, his skin had a almost not really an ashy color, but like a dry color to it. His nose was pressed flat, like just like a gorilla kind of, but it was a little bit protruded outward. It looked almost like some men's does. He had really prominent um mouth structure, kind of like, I'm not saying they're not like a muzzle that stuck out, nothing like that. But if you look at gorillas, you can tell around their mouth, they have these um, like their lips are kind of pushed out a little bit.

• 13:09Speaker 06

  And that's how his was, like around his mouth and his cheeks area, it was a little bit protrude out. He was showing his teeth and just staring at us. And he froze for just, I mean, it, I don't know how long he sat there, but I know I got a good look. And I did not wait for him to get up on that dock. But he did stop when he pulled himself up, like he was just showing us how big he was. He, that dock is easily four foot wide. He grabbed both sides of it with his arms. He pushed himself up and his chest was wider than that dock. He had full hair. I never did see any kind of genitalia, but you could tell it was definitely a man.

• 13:53Speaker 06

  He was very masculine. He showed his teeth. His teeth wasn't like, it wasn't, they're not like dog teeth or nothing. It just looked like what you would imagine a gorilla's teeth would look like. They were not white, they were fuck, like, kind of yellowish a little bit. Um yellowish brown, like stained, they were just stained. It wasn't disgusting falling out, they wasn't sharp and scary. It was just huge teeth in a huge body. His chest was covered in that color fur, same color as I explained earlier. And the fear that

• 14:34Speaker 06

  you got when you looked at his eyes, he was not coming to say leave. I believe in my heart that he was coming to kill us. And if he was on the other side of that river and we didn't hear that splash, there's no doubt in my mind, we would not have made it out of there. So the second my brain registered, this is like, this is it, like, he's coming to kill us. When he pulled himself up and he froze for just that few, like, maybe minute to minute, maybe minute and a half, when he froze that minute, minute and a half, and I got a good look of what I was seeing, I threw it in reverse. I hit the gas just enough to back up a couple foot. He started to move. I could tell he was lunging a little forward, like he was changing his body,

• 15:18Speaker 06

  you know, his body weight, and I floored it. I threw the back end of that tail of my truck around. It hit the dock, the very end of the dock, it jumped off of that dock, hit the ramp a little bit, about two foot, where I didn't back up far enough. I was just so scared. We hit that ramp, tire spun, and we were down the ramp. The raw, the most scary part was when you go down that boat launch to get out of there, you have to drive down Quintet. So you're side by side Quintet. So you're going down, and then that boat, that old road turns just a little bit, and at the same time, you can see the highway. And when it turns, you got a stop sign. And Quintet goes, when you go, if you're coming from the bridge, it's a straight way over the bridge.

• 16:01Speaker 06

  You go right past that little road, the boat ramp road, and then there's a big curve in the road. So I get to that curve right there. I look at, you know, my boyfriend at the time, and he's pointing to go back towards it, because that's where we have to go home. And I'm shaking my head, no, no, no, no, no, the whole time, you know, when I'm taking that curve, I'm shaking my head, no. And he said, go. Because we didn't know if it was behind us or not, but I was terrified. He was waiting up there on the road. And he kind of came up that little road, and he was waiting to cut us off. Alvin, when he looked at me and said, go, I just turned the tires and I went straight towards his house. I floored it as fast as I could, and my heart was racing, because I was just waiting for that big thing to just come and push my car over. Because I know it was big enough.

• 16:45Speaker 06

  There's no doubt in my mind, it couldn't just push over a little S ten at the time. But he only lived about, I don't know, maybe three miles from there. And I'm telling you what, I dropped him off and I went straight to my mama's house, which was a good fifteen miles from there. I was not gonna stay anywhere over there that night. But, um, yeah, that was really intense. I, I got scared to go down there. So I had been a couple of times during the day where I had pulled up my dad just to check the waters down there. And he knows I will not go fishing there. But Escamby River is a really high river, so we'll check the water there sometimes and we'll go way up. And launch and, um, if it's a good, you know, if it's down good. And I've been there, my dad, I won't get out of the truck.

• 17:29Speaker 06

  But when I went with my boyfriend, he talked me into, he's like, come on, it's the middle of the day. You know, I, I definitely keep my firearm with me now, which honestly, back then, between, you know, it's probably not legal. But I did have a thirty eight on me back then. When I turned sixteen, I always had one in the vehicle with me. And, um, I, I didn't even try to grab it because I knew there was nothing that was gonna do. There was absolutely nothing that gun was gonna do to this. It was so big. But, um, he has a judge, which is a bigger one, you know, so he talked me into getting out of the car with him. And I pulled up to the boat ramp like I did that one time. I backed in this time though. We got out, I walked in the boat ramp and it was so terrifying. It has been years since that's happened.

• 18:11Speaker 06

  But it took me right back to it because I was just waiting for him to come around the corner. He said, I ought to be here, you know, that's why I kept thinking to myself, like, there's no way. He was this confident coming to get us. This has to be his hunting grounds. It has to be. Like, he's probably ran off numerous people here. So I'm out there scared. And we get to the end of the boat ramp and I'm not kidding you when I tell you there is still claw marks at the end of that boat ramp. You can see where two hands that came up at the end of that boat ramp. And there is literally fingernail claw marks. And that's another thing is I seen his fingertips, I seen his hands on that thing. Like, they don't have claws, like big, long claws. They just have a man's hand. It's weird. It's.

• 18:55Speaker 06

  It's definitely been, I believe it's been around for as long as any other animal has been here. It did not look to me like it was any kind of government-made kind of animal or something. I mean, that, that thing's been around. It has too many features like we do. And it has intelligence because.

• 19:13Speaker 06

  Him waiting at the end of that river like that and just waited to come over. He had been, he hadn't been there forever. That's planning, you know?

• 19:23Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's terrifying. I mean, for him to jump into the river and just beeline for you. Uh, he's not hiding, he's not, uh, concealing what he's doing. You know, in situations like this, I do think that you're in danger. I know that you don't know and I don't know, but I mean, looking back now, what do you think set him off?

• 19:45Speaker 06

  I have thought about this a whole lot. So for the last, um, sixteen years, like I told you, this happened right before I had my son, okay? Uh, I was, I was ovulating at the time, obviously. I mean, I had got pregnant with him shortly after this. So I, my thinking was it being a wild animal in a mill. He might have smelt that and wanted to either mate, you know? And if that wasn't, and I don't think he would have just like, if it was, if I was another wild animal, I don't think he would have just made it me and left, you know what I mean? I think he was coming to do something and then probably wouldn't have made it no matter what if I was an animal or not at that point. Cause the aggression, like you said, was extremely, extremely mean. But the aggression part, even though I felt it, I had a man with me.

• 20:30Speaker 06

  So maybe it was more of a, I'm gonna fight you. Or if it was like, you know, I'm saying, you know how animals will fight each other, two males will fight. So I don't know if maybe that aggression of anger of hate and like the killing fling I got, wasn't directly exactly at me. Maybe that was more of a male to male thing. But I also wondered if we were there at the boat ramp where people fish. There's, sometimes people are not responsible. They'll sit there and shell some, you know, like cut off the fish heads or whatever, and either throw them into the water, throw them into a trash can out there or something, you know, it's a boat ramp. So some people just aren't as, you know, courtesy as, as others. And maybe he came out there and just get a quick meal.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  And there's also the um option that when you're coming down that little road guy quintet, when you first, right before you get to the actual parking lot, there's a little um stream runoff. And when it floods up there, it'll fill up this little lake thing more and it'll come back down. But it holds water there, this little pond, and that's a really good little fishing pond because good fish get stuck there. So either he was coming to hunt and that was his hunting ground and he was ready to eat and he got aggravated with us. That's my, that's my thought. Either, the other one is either I was, you know, I was, you know, a woman right there at my prime age. I just got pregnant a few months, like a month and a half after that. So I was probably really fertile at the time, you know?

• 21:53Speaker 06

  Maybe he smelt it and he was coming to see, you know, check it out. And I had a guy with me. That's primal instinct. Or my music might have been loud when I pulled up, even though it was turned down because that bass is so loud. It's like bum bum bum, even if it's low. So maybe he got mad because I messed up something that was going on. You know, and he was coming to take his anger out on us. Or I laughed too loud at the river. I'm not sure. But something set him off and it had to have been, I believe in my heart, one of those.

• 22:24Wes Germer?

  When this creature came up on the dock, uh was he squared up with you guys? And was there any expressions on his face?

• 22:34Speaker 06

  Um, by squared off, you meant like two men when they get like, when they're like bowed up, like they're just show like, they're showing a masculine side. Is that what you mean?

• 22:42Wes Germer?

  Yeah, like when you see two idiot guys that want to fight, they always puff their chest out and they look like blowfish. Was it that kind of a posture?

• 22:52Speaker 06

  Exactly like that. Yes, sir. He sure was. He sure was. He had stopped, like I said, it might have been a minute and a half or two minutes tops, but he was showing off his, his strength for sure. He had, he had his, like I said, both sides. So when he pulled his hands up, imagine a dock, it's square at the end, right? And if you were big enough, which you know, humans aren't normally ever gonna be big enough. But you, if you take both hands and you put them in towards each other, so they're facing towards each other. And you have them on the outside rim of that dock, not the side that's facing your stomach, but on both sides, you know, across from each other. And you pulled yourself up like that, that's how he pulled himself up, which is almost unnatural, you know what I mean?

• 23:36Speaker 06

  Cause people would just put their hands in front of them, facing towards the, you know, fingertips facing outwards and then just pulled herself up. But he didn't, he had his hands on both sides, which would make his muscles and his arms show more. And like I said, it was so effortless, but when he did, you could see his muscles in his arms, his chest, his shoulders. His, what is that, traps up there in his shoulders, they were massive. His chest was pushed out, he was, he was huge and he was, it was almost like he was showing it. Like, he wanted us to see just how big he was. And the expression on his face was pure evil. You know, when you're mad, your, your eyebrows are wrinkled, your nose, you know what I mean?

• 24:18Speaker 06

  You get mad, you, you show a little bit of teeth, you know, like you get that mad look. His expression on his face was more evil and mad than I've ever seen in anything. Absolutely anything. He had his teeth out, which people said their lip flip up, I didn't see his lip flip up. What I seen was his lip just come up as if he were gonna, like if he made the growling sound like a dog, like err. That's what he did, but he didn't growl, I didn't hear him growl, doesn't mean he didn't growl. When I tell you how it went into pure primal fear? I don't remember hearing, Alvin said that he was sitting there screaming, go before I even went, I didn't hear anything.

• 24:57Speaker 06

  For some reason, it was like everything just started ringing really loud in my ears and all I could do was just freeze. So he could have been making a growling noise or something, but I didn't hear it. But it's almost like whenever an animal or you would go grrr and you'd show your teeth, that's how he kinda did it. So his, he was like really wrinkled in his cheeks. His um eyebrow wrinkles were deep, his forehead was crinkled up. But his eyes were still so wide, like whenever I get that grrr sound, my eyes kinda squint. His wasn't though, his was still open wide enough, but all I could see was that pure evil darkness in his eyes. You know when you look at a dog and you can see, oh, he's just a cute little puppy.

• 25:39Speaker 06

  And he gets mad, you can also see in his eyes, oh, he's got a little feisty side. This one right here, he had a pure evil side. I've, I mean, I've worked at, I've been a firefighter. I've been first responder, you know, been a firefighter. I've come across situations where, you know, you've seen some people that's absolutely just lost everything, you know, and you've seen people in pure rage that's caused the pain to make people lose everything and that evil that they have when they're able to commit crimes that can take away somebody's life and stuff. There's only been a couple of situations where I've actually had to, I've pulled up and I've seen a murder and when I did, his eyes was not as evil as this one. Um, I've worked at the courthouse.

• 26:25Speaker 06

  I've watched murders go on trial and have you ever seen how they just have that blank look also like when they go to court, they just have that blank look like it looks like, you know, no regret, no, no nothing's there, like they didn't feel nothing. Well, you could tell this guy that pulled himself up on this dock is Sasquatch for sure was a Sasquatch. You could tell that he had pure evil. And I don't think there would have been any remorse and I don't think that he would have ever thought twice again to do it again. I believe that if you're going to be out there at night and you're in the woods or you're anywhere that you suspect there's going to be something, you had better have a game plan to get out of there every which way and be ready to lose your life if you have to, because this thing was pure, pure evil.

• 27:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I always say, you know, when I was a bouncer, I used to always watch people's eyes more than their posture. Because the eyes will betray them. The eyes will tell you exactly what someone's going to do. And you know, to your point, I was watching a documentary on serial killers. Uh, I'm not sure why, but uh, I think it just came on TV. But one thing that to your point that I noticed is if you look into their eyes, they're soulless, they're empty. And I was curious what you meant by evil, but I think you explained it really well. I wanted to ask you, I might've missed it in the beginning, but when he climbed up on the dock, how far away from you was he when you guys were sitting in the truck?

• 27:54Speaker 06

  So you know, like I said, about five or six foot from the hood of my car. So an S10's hood is what? Maybe a couple foot, maybe three foot. What do you think? Maybe three foot out, maybe tops from, because you gotta remember at first I had one foot on my seat, some five foot, I had one foot on my seat, one foot on my, um, the floorboard and I was staring over the truck, you know, so I was sitting there and then once it got right there to the dock, me and him both got in and shut the door, you know what I mean? So maybe 10 foot max, it would not, I mean, I would be shot to say 10 foot, but I'm gonna say 10 foot because 10 foot really in the grand scheme of things is not that far away. You know, my boyfriend is six foot, he could have laid in front of that truck and maybe had,

• 28:38Speaker 06

  I don't know, a couple foot before the end of the dock.

• 28:42Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I must have missed that in the beginning. You guys are way too close. I wanted to ask you, when he came up on the dock, uh, you kind of described it as a caveman. Um, did it look more like a man or did it look more like an animal?

• 28:59Speaker 06

  I got the impression that I was looking at an, a type of mammal. Let's just put it that because I'm telling you right now, it's got intelligence, I could, I could feel it then, you know, like whenever, if I go to the zoo and I look at a gorilla, it's got this little look that's just like, you know what I mean? But if you go down the road, you can see all kinds of people from their IQ being low to being really intelligent. And you get that, you can tell when you're around something that's got an IQ level that's actually equivalent to something that matters, you know? So when I was staring at it, there was no doubt in my mind, I was staring at a mammal that looked like to me, something that just was not in our history books yet. I mean, no doubt in my mind, I screamed, oh my God, it's a monkey man.

• 29:43Speaker 06

  Because at first, that's my brain trying to connect the dots between a man and a monkey, you know, and technically it would have been a gorilla, but in that huge rush of what the heck am I seeing? That's the initial thought, was a monkey man? What the heck is a monkey man doing out here? You know? It, it looked like a gorilla's in the face, but it looked awesome like a man. Like, most people will say, oh, he looked more manly, or oh, he looked more gorilla type. This one, if I had to put a percentage to it, you know, I would say it was almost. Forty percent human and sixty percent monkey, maybe just because the eyebrow ridge,

• 30:25Speaker 06

  the mouth structure, the how his mouth protruded out a little bit. But the rest of the face, the eyes, the way he had expression to it, the way he was able to look and give you that feeling of you're dead. You know, that's not an animal. It's like prey where he's looking at you like, mm, food, you know? This was a you are dead look. So I feel like he, it's not more monkey, it's not more man. I truly believe that it's got into, I think it's got an IQ. I think it's got, just looking at it immediately. That's what I've thought from the beginning. I felt like it, it's probably a, you know? I don't know. I mean, I know what, I mean, I think I have a good idea of what I think it was, but at the very second that that happened,

• 31:10Speaker 06

  I truly just thought that, I didn't think that it was like a human that mated with an animal. I felt like it was just another branch of possibly an animal humanoid thing that's got animal characteristics and humans. It's just looking at it right then just made me feel like it was an animal that hadn't been in the history books yet. When I was staring at it that moment, I still knew it had, it was like different than a normal animal. I felt like it was kind of humanish for sure, like a lot.

• 31:38Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I feel for you guys being in an S ten. S ten's not a very big truck. Um, so when he gets up on the dock, how tall do you think he was?

• 31:49Speaker 06

  He never did. I did not wait long enough for him to get all the way up on that dock. So when he pulled himself up, he got himself up right there to where I would estimate a belly button hip, the bottom of the hip area would be. And he started pulling himself forward, you know what I mean? To pull the rest of his body up. And that was about the time that I was turning my truck around already. So I did not wait for him to get all the way up onto that dock. I did not wait. It was like when he pulled himself up and he stopped, I already had my, my truck in reverse, left it on brake. And I stared and trying to figure out what am I looking at? And whenever his body structure started to shift weight, I had put it in reverse, backed up a few foot. By the time I was turning my truck around, he was like, you know, he wasn't going as fast as he was at first.

• 32:33Speaker 06

  When we were out there and didn't have no kind of cover around us, he was going a lot faster. Once we were in that truck and he pulled himself up, he had paused for about a minute or so. I was ready to go in reverse. Once is once the second I noticed that his body started to change or shift, I don't, or maybe before he did it, I went ahead and started backing up. I'm not sure, I'll be honest with you. But I only backed up a couple of foot. I didn't even back up far enough. Like I said, when I turned my truck around, the back end still had to come off about a foot or so of that dock. But um, whenever he started to change his weight, does that make sense? Or right before maybe he changed his weight, I had to start backing up just a little bit. And then by the time I went to turn that truck around and that, the trucks, you know, they're very light in the back and it's a rear wheel drive.

• 33:16Speaker 06

  So when it, and I turned that truck and I floored it like that, it threw gravel and everything. And the last thing I remember seeing was his um, weight of his body was leaning forward almost to where I would guess our hips and legs meet. And that's the last part I seen was him leaning forward like he was coming up on that dock still. So I mean, I did feel like he was going to be coming for us. And I know in my heart that if I would have had my truck parked in the parking lot where you're supposed to park it, because the parking lot connects to the boat ramp, don't get me wrong, but the place you're supposed to park is thirty, forty foot away from where the dock is pretty much, maybe even more depending on where you want to go in the parking lot.

• 34:00Speaker 06

  If I was parked there, no way would I have been able to make it to our truck and get in before that thing had already hit that land or pulled itself on the dock. Then I don't know which way it would have went. But.

• 34:15Speaker 06

  There's no way I would have made it to that truck before he had already made it across the river. Cause all I, all we did, when we heard that splash, like I said, I'm always alert. So when I heard that splash, I'm already, I'm jumping up at the same time. And that's when I can, you know, I mean, I heard that splash, I'm automatically in go mode. So we heard the splash, I was jerking my head up, I seen something was still falling and I'm standing up trying to get to the truck to see what's going on, you know? So if we, if it took him, by the time I, I mean, I, okay, so, sorry, I get, like, is bringing back a lot of fear for some reason, explaining it like so detailed, but um, when we heard that splash and I hurried up and I'm trying to get up on my feet and run, I ran down that dock, which is not a long dock at all.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  Run down that dock, I jump into my truck and turn them headlights on, he's already halfway across that river. And if I could, if I had a computer right now and I meant to look that up, I wanted to see how wide that river is right there for you. So I can really give you a good description because I'm telling you by the time I got to my truck, just a few foot away from us, that thing was already halfway across the river. And that river is swift, you know, it's not like a rushing river that's so swift you can even walk across. But if me and you want to try to walk across a river like that, you wouldn't walk straight, it would end up pushing you at an angle. And he came straight across and by the time I turned them headlights on, I am not kidding when I tell you, he was already halfway across

• 35:45Speaker 06

  from where we were sitting, like he had already made it that far, just in a few foot of me running and flipping my headlights on, which is nothing but a little switch, flip, and he's halfway across. I'm staring a few minutes, not even minutes, I say minutes and it's not, but I'm staring and he's up at the end of the dock. You know, I mean, this whole encounter, it might have been fast in the grand scheme of life. But this whole encounter, it was like, how is this happening? He's so fast, he's so big, oh my God, he's here to kill me. I'm gonna die tonight, you know, I mean, it was just like went from having a great day to

• 36:28Speaker 06

  so fast, I'm gonna be dead. There's no doubt he was gonna kill us. Like I said, if me and him didn't make it to the truck, I know from where I'm sitting, it looked like he had eyes locked on me personally. It looked like we were eye to eye. You can tell when someone's looking at your eyes or the person next to you, even if you're across the room, you can tell by the shift of eyes where they're looking. And I promise you, I don't know if it's because I, it's me, you know, in my perspective of what happened, but it felt, and I remember thinking at the time too, why is he staring straight at me? You know, like, his eyes are locked into mine. So I don't, I don't think that it would have been a friendly encounter. I mean,

• 37:13Speaker 06

  I really think he was coming to kill us. I don't think me or my ex would have made it out there. Oh, wow. We would have probably ended up being one of those trucks was here, two people end up missing. Or

• 37:28Speaker 06

  were you here, um, you know, attacked by some animal or murdered? No suspects or something crazy.

• 37:37Wes Germer?

  I could definitely understand the way you feel. And I'm kind of glad you went into that. I was curious if um, the focus was on you or your boyfriend. And you're right, when something's looking at you, you, you can tell, is it looking at me or is it looking at this other person? Obviously, his focus was on you. And you know, there is Native American warnings that in old um, accounts that they have, like when a woman is on her period, the, it drives these things crazy. Uh, I don't know if they can smell it or, uh, you know, I, I, I don't know. I, the only time I can tell when a woman's on her period is when she's usually yelling at me, but

• 38:18Wes Germer?

  um, I wanted to ask you, when you guys got back to, and it's all said and done, what was that conversation like with your ex?

• 38:27Speaker 06

  The whole way to his house, I'm telling him, you need to stay with me tonight. That thing is gonna come to our house cuz it's only a couple of miles down the road. He wasn't really like in pure like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. He was more of like soaking it in still and trying to register. And he was like, no, it's fine. It's at the river. But he wasn't, I don't think he was thinking clear because my thought was get as far away as you could. And he was like, no, it's at the river. I don't know what just, like, why would it do that, you know? And me and him were talking back and forth kinda thing, but the whole conversation where we were actually able to sit down and be like, what just happened? That happened over the phone after like I got home and about twenty minutes after the whole incident happened. I dropped him off. I tried to get him to stay with us that night and he wouldn't.

• 39:10Speaker 06

  He was like, no, no, like it's miles down the road. I'm fine kinda thing. So I was like, alright, well, you're on your own then, buddy, cuz I ain't staying here. And I went back to my house, um, at the time I was living with my parents. But, um, I called him up. I had cell phones, you know, so I spoke to him the whole time I got home. And by the time I was able to get into my bedroom and shut the door and take a breath and just feel safe. That's by the time that we were able to have a whole conversation about it. That's when he was the one that said that was a Sasquatch cuz I kept calling it monkey man, monkey man, monkey man, you know? But I knew for some reason that it wasn't a monkey and a man, but that's just at the time shock, you know? And whenever he, when I heard him say, that was a Sasquatch, that's a, that's a Bigfoot carry.

• 39:55Speaker 06

  Over the phone, that's when it was like woolly booger. That is what granddaddy was talking about. Those are the monsters in the woods that you're supposed to be scared of. It was more of a conversation of, um, well dang, what's the chances that we ran into this animal here? There couldn't be more than maybe ten in the world or something. You know what I mean? Kind of idea. That's what we had thought at the time, like what's it doing here in our town? And we figured we were talking and back and forth. And I remember asking him like, well, why is no one else talk about it? I mean, you know, and he was telling me, well, there's

• 40:38Speaker 06

  probably not hardly even out there ever. Like, we just accidentally was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the chances that are happening is probably extremely rare. There couldn't be more than maybe 10 in the world. I remember him saying that at the time.

• 40:50Wes Germer?

  Yeah, there's definitely more than 10. And you know, sometimes people will say, well, I thought they were only in the Pacific Northwest, but they're all over the United States and other countries as well. I wanted to ask you, I know, going back to the spot of a location where you had an encounter, there is that almost like PTSD that comes back, how you were saying, like, you know, you're, you go check the water levels, but you don't get out of the truck with your dad. And I get that. I get that completely. But beyond that, you know, I know you grew up in the woods, you're running around the woods on your grandfather's property. And, but after this encounter, how did it kind of affect you?

• 41:34Speaker 06

  So when this happened, I mean, I used to go camping, we were just camping like the weekend before on Exambia River, I mean, not Exambia, but Prudita River, which is just like right across the main highway from there, you know, it's not too far apart. The two are not far apart at all. But um, we were actually camping out the weekend before, me and my friends, we used to go all the time camping there. There's a big sandbar on the Alabama side, because Prudita River splits Florida and Alabama line. So one side you're in Florida, the other side you're technically in Alabama. So we would go across the Alabama side, we'd camp out. And, you know, I mean, at the time, I was 20 years old, you know, and right there around that legal drinking age, but not quite at 21 yet,

• 42:16Speaker 06

  you know. And we would go and take alcohol and just go right across the river to the Alabama side. And we'd camp there for two or three nights, because no one, the cops can't do nothing. We're in Alabama, and they can't check our coolers. And we'd keep it in cups and stuff. So it's not like we were broadcasting it over there, you know, but no one would ever mess with some, you know, kids camping across the river. So if we wanted to go and have a couple of drinks or something, which I've never been one to drink a lot anyways, but at that age, I was, you know, trying different kind of beers or whatever, you know, mixed drinks. But we would go out there and we'd camp for three or four days on the river. And, you know, get up the next. Day or so, like we had a long weekend. We go Friday night, Saturday night, you know, all day Sunday.

• 42:59Speaker 06

  And pack up and leave, you know, it was nothing for us to do that. We had a couple tents and that was like our second home at the time. All of us kids, we did it all the time. I grew up going out there and camping as long as I can remember since my parents would let me go anywhere, you know? Since this encounter, I haven't been camping a single time, not once. Um, going down trails to go to a river today, I'm still extremely cautious. The whole time I'm in a river or creek or anywhere, like I don't swim in dirty, nasty, muddy river. If it's not crystal clear and I can't see how pretty clear the water is, I'm not in it anyways. But I can't,

• 43:42Speaker 06

  I'm not saying they have to go underwater or nothing. I'm just saying though, like I don't go out to all these huge rivers and swim. That's like big ones. I go to little ones. So when I'm in the little creeks or the rivers or whatever that I'm swimming at, they're not that wide. So the whole time I'm there, I'm scared of something on this side, on that side. You know what I mean? I'm I'm not able to relax. I'm not able to be ignorant in the wild no more. And that's just the best way I can explain it.

• 44:05Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, I can relate a lot to that, that feeling that you have. Um, your grandfather, did you ever get a chance to tell him about this or had he had passed at that time?

• 44:17Speaker 06

  No, sir, I didn't. Yep, he passed. He had actually passed maybe a year and a half before then. And I wish more than, so there's a lot of times that my granddad, he was the best granddaddy I had ever met. I mean, I mean, I've never met no one else's grandparents that's been as great as my granddaddy was, you know? And I might be a little biased, but he was an amazing man. But he would have a way to teach you a lesson when you were a little girl that you would not understand was a lesson until you got an adult in the situation that you needed to know it in. I mean, it was amazing, you know, the way he was able to just. I don't know. I listened to, I've always been the type of person that I'd rather learn from your mistake than me ever have to go through any mistakes. You know what I mean?

• 44:58Speaker 06

  So when granddaddy would try to teach me stuff, you know, I just remembered a lot of knowledge he used to give me. And um, I wish more than anything, though, I could have talked to him about it because he was the one that kept telling me the wood boggers are out there. And what, there was something else that um granny would call it. It was the devil, the monk, um, the wood devils or. I can't remember what she used to call it, but it was something else. And I knew they were the same thing. Even as a kid, I didn't think there was two different. Animals that were super dangerous out there, you know? But um, I wish more than anything I could had talked to him about it. I know he knows about him though, because there was a time where my granddaddy took me, he gave me a piece of paper and he said. I was maybe six years old. I know I had to have been six because of what happened that made him do this.

• 45:42Speaker 06

  But he handed me a piece of paper and he said, um, Carrie, I want you to go outside. And sit at this table. He said, I want you to listen to nature and I want you to draw me. What you think a boogeyman looks like. You draw me what you believe a boogeyman is, somebody that's gonna hurt you. You know, or something that's gonna hurt you. He said, not someone, he said, something. He said, you draw me what a boogeyman is. And I drew a monster. With fur and hair and teeth and horns, you know what I mean? And when I gave it to him, you know, granddaddy, the way he is, you know, he was like. You drew, you drew a great monster. He said, that is a monster. But he said, the monsters I'm telling you about are the ones in Walmart. They're the people that walk beside you every day.

• 46:26Speaker 06

  Boogeymans are the ones that are gonna walk by you and you have no idea that they're evil and they look like us. But the fact that I drew a furry, hairy monster. The horns obviously off, I was six. But that right there told, tells me that there was a lot of times when granddaddy was saying boogeyman, there was some point that obviously he explained to me that in the, while I'm in the woods. I need to watch out for an animal that was furry, you know, a big hairy animal. Because I wouldn't have drawn, I wouldn't drew that, you know what I mean? For a monster, I would have probably drew like, you know, Frankenstein. So even though he was trying to teach me a different lesson or whatever, since he was the one that was always telling me to watch out for the wooly boogers and stuff.

• 47:06Speaker 06

  He grew up on a little dirt road his whole life. They've had that property since, I don't, I mean, it's only things ever changed since. You know, the government, he got, I don't even know how long it's been in the family, but um. He grew up out there with like 12 brothers and sisters, but that only house that was out there for, I'm talking about 10, 20 miles, like he was out there in the middle of nowhere. So he grew up and he, he had to have known about them. He had to have.

• 47:32Wes Germer?

  Yeah, just from you talking, it sounds like your grandfather was a great man. And I do think that he probably did see one of these creatures, especially with all of his warnings about wooly boogers. Um, you kind of alluded to it earlier, yeah, as far as what you think Sasquatch is, but how would you kind of classify this animal? Like what, what category would you put them in?

• 47:57Speaker 06

  I know in my heart of hearts, I know that Sasquatch. It's a real flesh and blood mammal. There's no doubt in my head about, about that. There's a mammal, especially flesh and blood. I hundred percent believe, just like there used to be different types of like, you know, humans that walked around. I believe that this was just one of those other types. From way back when there used to be more than one type of people. So I believe that it's a type of human that has its own classification.

• 48:38Speaker 06

  It's not an animal like a dog, cat, monkey or gorilla. I don't believe it's an animal like that at all. I believe it's more of a different type of a human. The whole time that we've been here, they've been here.

• 48:49Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's an interesting take. What, whatever they are, they do seem to be more of something ancient. Um, you had mentioned this other incident that happened to you. It was about a year ago.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  It was around six months ago, maybe seven tops, that um me, my current boyfriend and my son, we all decided that we're gonna go for a ride and that's something that we do a lot. Me and my boyfriend go out in the woods almost daily at night. We'll go for a little afternoon drive if we can after work, if we have enough time. If not, on the weekends, we're definitely out there. And um he had his own encounter at one point, so we like to go out there and drive around and there's certain ponds that we like to go to, Cypress Tree Ponds and stuff, and we look for alligators and all kinds of other animals, but secretly me and Chase are also looking to see if we can find any kind of other evidence or Sasquatch out there that is at a safe distance that we can actually see again, you know?

• 49:42Speaker 06

  Even though I don't want to be in a situation where I'm as close as I was, there's this drive to want to see it again, see more, watch it in its environment, see what it does, how it reacts. So I was able to talk Trey into going for a ride with us. And we went out to Cypress Pond and it was dark. And um it was about the third or fourth Cypress Pond we hit that night. When we get up to the Cypress Pond, it's in the middle of the woods, I always turn my car and I slowly go, like in the road, I'll turn my car just enough where I'm angled, you know, and I slowly turn back so the headlights will scan the river, or the, not the river, but the pond, the best I can, you know, on the road. And I was scanning the river, or the pond, I keep saying river, I was scanning the pond.

• 50:23Speaker 06

  And we were looking for alligator shine, looking for alligator shine, and then all of a sudden, all three of us, well, it started off with me, I was like, what is that up there? Cause it would looked like two eyes and it was gapped out far enough and it was across the pond that it was clear, two separate eyes. And Trey seen it right away. He said, Mom, those are eyes, what are they doing? Cause it was too high off the ground to be up there. It wasn't in a tree top up high, but I'm just saying relatively, it was higher than it should have been for a deer. And Chase was having problems seeing it because there was like a tree in the pond. So I maneuvered my car just a little bit and I backed up and as soon as I backed up just enough, he said, that's a Sasquatch carrying.

• 51:09Speaker 06

  And I knew right then when I seen the eyes, that's probably what it was. But I didn't say nothing because my son's in the backseat who doesn't believe in anything and I'm not trying to scare him because we are at an extremely safe distance right now where Wait, let me back up. My mind's staying where it's straight, a safe distance right now, but really it could have gone wrong easily, you know? So we're sitting there looking at it and we see there's another set of eyes and it's downwards and over to the left some. And they blink, okay? So we see the bigger set and it blinks and I'm like, oh yeah, that thing blinked and then all of a sudden, we seen it take a couple of steps to the side and it went right behind a tree.

• 51:51Speaker 06

  There was like this gap of area, you could see the moon was behind it, you know, that was shining towards us and our headlights was shining over the pond at it. And it stepped in which like behind a tree area and I said, that thing's gonna hide. And Trey said, where'd it go? Did it climb up the tree or something? Cause we couldn't see it for a few seconds and all of a sudden it popped its head out and it looked at us. And we seen it blink again and it put its head back behind. That one that was farther over to the left, it was almost just like it looked down at the ground. You could see his eyes just turned down towards the ground, like he was just hiding his face for some reason. Like, I don't know if they know they have eye shine or not, but he was hiding his face and it would look up. And then it would lay its like head back down almost.

• 52:35Speaker 06

  We sat there and we watched this thing almost bend down. So when it was in between the two trees, there was way too much area there for anything to be hanging on to a tree or it wasn't already on it, you know, there's no way, it was too big of a gap between the trees that nothing could have been, you know, hanging on to either tree. So when that big one was standing there before it went behind the tree, we watched it look down at the ground with his eye shine, cause you could see the eyes clear. And like I said, they were gapped out and big enough that we seen the head look downwards, cause you could tell the way the eye shine changed, it looked down. And then it looked back up and while I was looking up, it looked like it almost just squatted, like it was gonna pick up something. But it only went down like two foot or three foot.

• 53:21Speaker 06

  And from how high up it was, it looked like there's no way it could have really picked something up. So maybe it was just like thinking about going down and it changed its mind, or maybe it looked down, seen a stick and wanted to pick it up, I don't know. But we watched it move up, down, and then over, which clarified in my mind, there's not some kind of tree there I don't see. It's not farther back in the woods, it gives the illusion it's that tall. It is that tall. And as it peeked out behind that tree, after it was behind the tree every once in a while, we sat there and we watched it for a long time. We didn't move, probably twenty-five minutes, we sat there and watched them both. The one that was actually laying, the more our eyes adjusted, the more we could see that it was a lighter color than the ground around it, like.

• 54:05Speaker 06

  We could actually see that it was a more of a lighter color shining back in the headlights than just the dark nothingness behind that bigger one. And finally, my son said, Mom, I'm really scared. Can we just go ahead and get out of here? And I said, yeah, we can. So we went ahead and left that area. Well, the next day, both of them, the whole wired home. We gotta go back there the next day. We gotta go back tomorrow. We gotta check out what's out there. And I'm like, oh, no, you're not. I don't care what's daytime or not, you ain't going, you know, like absolutely not. Like y'all are nuts. They're out there during the day and night. We're not doing it. Well, after talking and talking and talking, I finally caved in. So it's eleven thirty, twelve o'clock, midday the next day, okay?

• 54:50Speaker 06

  And they caught me by saying, let's just go drive through the area and see what it looks like and we'll fill it out that way. And I knew then they were gonna try to talk to me on getting out the car. So we get out, there's that, that pond, we go straight there. I hesitantly park and I'm looking around really good. And Chase gets out of the car. He's like, I gotta pee, gets out of the car and he's not peeing, okay? And Trey's like, oh, yeah, I do too. And I look both at him, like, do not go in those woods. And before I could even say woods, both of them are laughing and running towards the woods. And I'm like, oh, my God, y'all are not being serious right now. Like, this is so dangerous. It's not a joke, you know? And um, once they got to the wood line, both of them stopped and they were looking around and they're really cautious.

• 55:35Speaker 06

  They go over there, they walk along the pond and I don't see them make any expressions. You can see them talking back and forth and kind of looking around like they don't see nothing, you know? And I'm like, okay, they're fixing to come back because that's the area that it was in. And a few more steps forward, both of them stopped and I could see them really looking at something out in front of them. And their faces was just like fear, like I could see this, how terrified. Both of them, it's not like they were scared, like, oh, I'm not big and strong. I'm just like, oh, I'm so scared little. No, it was more of a shock of terrified, like. This thing's a lot bigger than what we thought, kind of look on his face, you know? I mean, like, both of them were just like. You know, you could tell that they were very concerned, alarmed.

• 56:16Speaker 06

  I called Chase on his phone because instead of screaming back and forth in the woods, I'm too scared that I'm gonna attract something back here, you know, with my kid right there. And these woods are, and when I say woods, it's just like a couple of trees here and there. It's not a big thick forest at all. So I called Chase, I'm like, what do you see? And Chase said, Gary? He said, there is a huge area out here that is laid completely flat with the grass. And this grass that was grown up was like that yellowish, you know, um, old hay looking grass stuffy that grows out in fields and stuff that just gets too high when you don't cut the grass, you know, when it gets really high? He said, there is a bed out here. He said, not like a mattress, but like bedding, like where an animal has laid down.

• 57:01Speaker 06

  And he's a hunter, so he knows what it looks like. So I said, maybe a deer? And he said, no, this is not a deer's bed. He said, there's actually, and I'll have to ask him exactly what they thought, I mean, not what they thought, but what they seen. I, what I think they told me was that there was like every, all this stuff was pressed down really good. There were some like old li- like tree limbs and stuff that were kind of around one side of it, almost kind of piled up a little bit on the backside of where the pond would be. And he said that it would be perfect for them to just kind of like lay down there and completely disappear to any car that might drive by.

• 57:39Speaker 06

  And he said that it was so fresh looking, like he was convinced that that, that they might have been there just a few minutes before we had got there. So they left really, really fast after they seen that.

• 57:52Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's creepy. I, I would caution you in not going into areas like that where you come across what appears to be very large bedding, almost like what you would see a gorilla do. Or if you go into an area and there's a ton of structures everywhere, I would be real careful going into a place like that. The aggression you got at the boat ramp, you may end up seeing it again in an area like that. Um, and I really appreciate you coming forward and sharing the encounter. Um, you know, I, I know it's not the easiest thing to get through an encounter like that, but thank you so much for coming on and I really enjoyed chatting with you.

• 58:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, no problem at all. Thanks for having me on. I've really wanted to come on, but I've been a little nervous to reach out. So I really, really appreciate it. I think it's important that we talk, that we spread awareness on this. Like, if you have an encounter, you speak about it. Right now, there's no definitive animal. It is, I don't want to say they need to go in Zeus, but I'm just saying, like, it's not put down, hey, this is a Sasquatch in school. It's not taught. This is here. It's real. So I think it's important that we all give our encounters. So anybody who is studying their behaviors can maybe take note of them, you know, and maybe find similarities and we can get some answers going on about what this is. I think it's important that we talk.

• 59:13Wes Germer?

  I couldn't agree more. Thank you again, Carrie. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. Everyone.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  The lights on. My wheels are turning, they're falling on. The lights on. Baby, you should know that you're gone. The lights on. This is my home. This is my heart. Memories of beauty. I'm taking over. Close to this sky. I'm a survivor. Memories of beauty.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  So live like you're living a fighter. The lights on. And if I were more fighter. The lights on. With reckless people wiser. The lights on. In the dark, in the quiet. The lights on. This is my home. This is my heart. Memories of beauty. I'm taking over. Close to this.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  The lights on, this is my home, this is my home, memories of you. Your eyes, the sky, the smile rise, memories of you.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  So you can feel it, remember, just follow me for a minute, 'cause I'm bound to get you.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  So you can go to bed, remember, I'll be sleeping, remember, you're still fooling, remember.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  So you can feel it, remember, just follow me for a minute, 'cause I'm bound to get you.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  You won't understand, I'll be sleeping.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Okay.