SC EP:1155 It Was Holding A Watermelon

Nick writes "I had a roadside sighting in CA with my mom summer of 2008 when I was 18. It was about 12:30-1am in the foothills of Placerville CA. We had a newspaper route that often had us heading home past midnight. It was mid August a few months after graduating from high school. It was a beautiful night we had the windows down just cruising. My mom had a Geo Metro that we used for the paper route with a 3 cylinder engine so it was not fast lol. It was a blind corner and our headlights hit this thing, and my mom didn't see it at first (she never sees anything, we once almost hit a buck so close I could see the velvet on his antlers but she didn't see it at all) but then she downshifted and hit the gas. I knew what I saw but I turned to her and asked what she saw, she had the same description as me so knew I wasn't crazy because what I saw was nothing short of impossible. https://sasquatchchronicles.com/?attachment_id=245924 I saw it running before the headlights actually hit it and it was like a cartoon how it was running, hands down by his side ( I say his because for some reason I knew it was a male) and his head didn't bobble at all. As soon as the headlight hit this thing it just stopped on a dime, the dust it kicked up floating past like a mist as it stood there. Bright like blood orange eye shine (not glowing) with a hint of green. It was holding a watermelon in one arm with other hanging down by its side it's hand shaped like a Lego man hand. It wasn't crazy huge, maybe six to six and a half feet tall. All black but thinning around the pecks. I could see the veins in his biceps. It looked like an Aboriginal person from Australia. That's the closest thing I can compare it too. Very human like. Definitely not an animal."

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• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out of here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  Hi, this is Carol King from Music City and you're listening to my favorite podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:23Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Nick and Nick comes to us from California. Back in 2008, him and his mother were driving in the foothills. When they came across this creature, very close encounter. And Nick has a great description. I'll kind of let him go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows.

• 3:04Wes Germer?

  Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Nick to the show. Nick, thanks for coming on.

• 3:11Speaker 05

  I appreciate it, man. Thank you for having me.

• 3:13Wes Germer?

  Yeah, man, I'm happy that you're here. And before we go into this encounter in 2008, before actually seeing the creature, what was kind of your take on the whole subject of Sasquatch?

• 3:26Speaker 05

  Um, so in 2008, the show Finding Bigfoot was huge. Yeah, all of my friends were watching it. My brother was watching it, you know?

• 3:36Speaker 05

  So I always like had this idea in my head, like this fantasy that it could be real. But of course, I didn't want to believe all the other cryptids that people are seeing. I didn't want to believe any of that stuff, but I was and to be clear, I wasn't, it was two months before my birthday, so I wasn't quite 18. I was 17 at the time. But I always had this fantasy that this thing could be real and you know, I would love the opportunity to see one and you know, you've had people on before that have had, you know, absolutely terrifying encounters and I I'm glad that I didn't go through any of that. Um, although my encounter wasn't as terrifying as some of those, it still changed my perspective on pretty much everything that we think we know, which is not a lot.

• 4:20Speaker 05

  But yeah, I always thought that that it was possible that it could be real and I never thought I would ever see one. Um, but fortunately I randomly out of one night I I did and uh, that's why I'm on because I just I I, you know, once we start getting into the story, um, if there's anybody that knows me that's listening, they're gonna know who I am. They're gonna know the exact spot that this happened and and that was probably my sole reason for not coming on sooner. Um, but yeah.

• 4:50Wes Germer?

  I appreciate it, Nick. If if you would, take me back to two thousand and eight. What were you doing and walk me into what happened?

• 4:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, um, two thousand and seven, um, my mom separated from her husband and it was just me, my mom and my little sister and me and my little sister revolted in high school. I was emancipated at sixteen, so I didn't need my mom's permission to do anything. So I enrolled myself into adult ed and I checked out of, you know, regular high school so that I could go get a job so that I could help, you know, uh, help my mom in keeping my sister in school. So that's what I did. I went to adult ed and I went and got a job. So I was doing my schooling stuff, you know, towards in in the morning time and uh, at home doing it and then I'd go do my nighttime job and I did that for a while.

• 5:41Speaker 05

  And then my mom, she worked at the Mountain Democrat, which is the oldest newspaper in California, but that doesn't matter. Um, and she worked in town during the day and she picked up a paper route at nighttime because her ex-husband uh worked in the mailroom of the Mountain Democrat. So it was his job to uh make sure like the printing process was working for the papers and making sure all, you know, when you open the paper, you get like little flyers and inserts and stuff and, you know, he made sure that everything was going smooth. So since she already worked there, she didn't have to apply or anything. She just basically asked, hey, you know, can I pick up shift? And of course, they said, yeah. And she did it for a couple of weeks and then I asked her, you know, what it was like and she said, honestly, it's kind of

• 6:27Speaker 05

  just me out there and I don't really have to worry about anything or stress about anything. I just deliver the papers and I was like, well, I don't really feel comfortable with you doing that on your own. So I'm gonna start going with you. She said, cool, I could use the help. So I started going with her. Um, and I'd get off work around 10 o'clock, uh, and we didn't have to be in town until about 11. So I'd get off work at 10 and I would drive home. Sometimes I wouldn't even change out of my uniform. I would just get in the car with her and go right back to town. Uh, and we'd go to the Mount Democrat, pick up our papers. And we'd go start delivering these things and depending on weather, you know, if it's, you know, nasty outside, it's snowing or raining, you know, it might take a little bit longer to do these deliveries, but uh, because if it's raining, we also have to wrap the papers with rubber band and then put them in a plastic bag.

• 7:12Speaker 05

  But during the summer, you just put a rubber band and throw them out the window. So it's nice during the summer. Uh, we could do two hundred, I think it was 280 papers. We could do it in like an hour. But if it's raining, it takes us a little bit longer. And on some occasions, we had to, you know, cover for a driver. So on certain occasions, we were doing, you know, four, five, 600 papers in a night. On those times, we wouldn't get home till like three or four in the morning. Those were, those nights were brutal because I had to go to work the next morning. But this happened on a random night. It was mid-August. I don't remember what day it was. It was, you know, a long time ago. But I remember it was because my birthday is at the end of October. So I, I know it was right before then. And, and I know it was hot outside. So, because we had the windows down.

• 7:57Speaker 05

  So I'm, I'm thinking like mid-August, you know, somewhere in that timeframe. And to preface, preface, I just wanna say this, that my mom saw this thing too, which is kind of amazing because she is. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell her that I went on so she can listen, kinda get a laugh out of this, but she is totally oblivious when she's driving. She doesn't see anything. There was one time in the same exact spot, as a matter of fact, like. Six months before this happened, we almost hit a buck, a huge buck. It was so close to the car. You could see the velvet on his antlers and she never saw it. You know, we almost hit raccoons a bunch of times. She never saw anything. But, you know, this time.

• 8:41Speaker 05

  She did see it and I'm fortunate that she did see, even though she never wanted to talk about it after that, so I couldn't get any details out of her, but all I can go off of is what I saw. Uh, but she did corroborate what I saw by telling me exactly what I. Saw, she described it perfectly. And I was like, okay, we definitely saw the same thing. We're not hallucinating here. Because for the longest time, I didn't wanna believe it. I was like, there's no. There's no way. What I just saw is what I saw. Cause it was a fantasy world that this thing could ever exist. Cause like, there's no. There's no way that. It's just some undiscovered ape, you know, there's no chance, cause.

• 9:19Speaker 05

  You know, new species are getting discovered all the time, but they're not getting discovered all over the world. They're only in one spot, like the giant sloth or whatever. It's only in that one spot. They're not giant sloths all over the world. Which is why it wasn't discovered, but these things are everywhere. They're all over the place. They're on every continent, every country, islands, they're everywhere. So. From the, from the last newspaper we deliver. It's about a twenty minute drive back to the house. So after we throw that last newspaper in the box, um. We could kinda just kick back and cruise home, you know, and talk or listen to the radio. Me and my mom, we're both into like hair metal and stuff. You know, zeppelin and, and things like that. So we just listen to music and, and have a good time. And, um.

• 10:00Speaker 05

  There is this road, it's called uh Grass Valley Road and it goes from Main Street all the way down uh to towards Bucks Bar Road. If like I said, if you're listening and you're from the area, you know what I'm talking about. We lived off of Cedar Ravine. So when you go down that road towards Bucks Bar, you take a left on a Cedar Ravine and then we lived right there. Uh this happened, it's it's kind of like a blind corner, not really a blind corner, but you gotta slow down pretty decently. Um there was a old uh video rental place called Select Video and it was right before that. So if you're driving towards the house, it's on the left-hand side, there's like

• 10:39Speaker 05

  half an acre, maybe three quarters of an acre field where they grow strawberries and watermelons and you know, things like that and uh you know, during Halloween time, they put scarecrows out and pumpkins and hay bales on the corner. And like I said, if you're a local, you know what spot I'm talking about. And across the road, there's like a little white picket fence and it's, I'm pretty sure it might be private property. Um it probably is, but but when you look out over the fence, it's just wilderness. Like there's like a big open like field, but then there's just trees on the other side. So I don't know how far back it goes before you hit a house or hit another town. Like I have no idea, but um we were, we were coming up to this corner and I saw it before the headlights actually hit it.

• 11:22Speaker 05

  Uh and it was running across this field. And I like I had to take a double take because I was like, why is there somebody in the middle of the field? It's one o'clock in the morning. Why is somebody running through this field? And then I started noticing little details and this all happened before the headlights even hit. And I I noticed that it was it was like a car on air ride suspension, you know, like the legs were moving, but the top of the body wasn't moving. The arms weren't swinging. At first I didn't think it had arms because I didn't see anything because like at this point it's just a shadow that I'm looking at, but I'm looking right at it.

• 12:00Speaker 05

  And it's running across this field and you know, the headlights hit this thing and it stops. Like, have you ever seen like the, like, I just recently was watching the show called Yellowstone and there's this thing that they do with the horses where they, they gallop the horses and then they make them skid to a stop. I don't know what it's called or why they even do it, but it was like that, but he didn't skid. It just, it was like magic how he stopped. It just stopped and it just stood still. And the dust that it kicked up from running, like floated past this thing, like,

• 12:37Speaker 05

  it was, it was, it was like a, like a rally car going down a dirt road. It was like dust just flew past this thing. And you know, like in the winter, when like a big cow or a bull or something, they breathe out of their nose and you can see like the, the breath, cause it's cold outside. It was like that, but you couldn't see the breath. It will, but you could see the shape of the air in the dust. I guess it's hard to explain. But it definitely was breathing. It's definitely a living creature and the, the headlights hit this thing. And like I said, it, it just stopped and it looked at us and there was eye shine.

• 13:17Speaker 05

  Because at first, even though I, I didn't want to believe what I was seeing, cause I just wanted to pass it off as a scarecrow. Cause like I said, they're, they're out there sometimes. Not in that spot, usually off to the corner. This one was like standing by the road, like right next to the mailbox. And, and that's the reason why I have, I think a pretty accurate description of its height, cause there was a mailbox right there. And like I said, we deliver newspapers. So I see mailboxes all the time. And it, it just stopped and it was right off the edge of the road and it was on the left side of the road. So between us, all there is, is one lane of road and then maybe a couple of feet of dirt until this thing was standing there. So he was right on the side of the road. It looked at us.

• 13:58Speaker 05

  The eyes lit up, not glowing like some people report. I don't know what they're seeing, whether it's Bigfoot or not. I, I don't know, but the thing, the eyes weren't glowing. It was definitely eye shine. Um, and it was like.

• 14:11Speaker 05

  I can't, it's hard, like a creamy orange, like a milky orange, I guess, with like little hints of green in there. I, it's hard to explain with the, the color, but it wasn't like a, uh, like a bright neon glowing, you know, it was more like a, uh, like an opaque, I guess you would say. But it was green or yellow with a little hint of green and I was looking at this thing and it blinked. And, and once it blinked, that's when I knew what I was looking at was real. I was like, oh shit, this, oh. And the, at that moment, there was no fear.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Uh, the fear set in about a mile down the road, cause I started thinking about stuff, but at that moment, when I saw this thing, it was like slow motion. I was able to, to like basically look up and down this thing and, and, and scan it while we were driving by. Cause again, this corner, you have to slow down to like fifteen, twenty miles an hour, maybe. So we're going pretty slow. And we're in a, it was a, I believe it was a nineteen ninety-three little Geo Metro with the three cylinder engine, manual five speed. Uh, not a fast car by any means, and not a heavy car. Um. In fact, when I was in high school, I was in, doing weight training and I could pick up the back end of this car when I was sixteen. So not a heavy car.

• 15:32Speaker 05

  Um, and, and that's when I realized that a mile down the road, that's when the fear set in, but when, when I saw this thing and, and we're driving past it, I'm trying to keep my eyes on it, but I'm in the passenger seat. So if I'm turning my head while we're driving forward, it has to, my eyes have to come up this thing for a second, cause my mom would be in, you know, in line with this thing. And while we were passing it, I, you know, I had this overwhelming, like absolutely overwhelming sensation that something or someone was like standing behind me, like almost like.

• 16:09Speaker 05

  That creepy feeling you get when you're home alone and you you think there's like a ghost in the hallway or something and you like walked down the hallway real fast. It was like that. But we were driving in a car, so I don't know why I would feel that, but. And, you know, listening to accounts, you know, there very well could have been another one on the other side of the road. I just never saw it, so I don't wanna speculate, but. That's just what I felt. And, uh. I'm li- I'm looking at this thing and I, the feeling that I got was. Like, oh crap, I'm in trouble. You know, like when your mom's yelling at you to go to your room, but you have to walk past your dad and like you walk past him really quickly and your shoulder blades tense up because you think he's gonna smack you kind of feeling. That's what I felt. And it was odd. It was strange to feel that.

• 16:53Speaker 05

  That's what I felt, though, and. You know, we we passed by this thing and it just stood still. It didn't move a muscle. And. It was. Holding a watermelon. Which is the most bizarre thing, cuz I it was clear as day, like it was a big ass watermelon too, cuz like I said, they grow watermelons in that field. So I can only assume it was running to get a watermelon and running back to wherever it came from to the other side of the road. Uh, it was holding a watermelon. Which is bizarre in itself. And, you know, we drove past this thing and and I was staring at it the whole time.

• 17:33Speaker 05

  And, you know, in the faint glow of the taillights, I could still see it just standing there and then eventually it just. You know, went out of like. The view of the light, I guess. And I it kind of just like faded away. The the creature didn't fade away, but like the me seeing it. And I'm assuming that it waited until it knew it was out of sight and then it. You know, went about its way or whatever. And then we were driving down the road and it was about a half a mile and I looked over at my mom. And the reason why I knew she saw it is because once the headlights hit this thing, she downshifted and slammed on the gas. And like I said, it's not a fast car, so there's a whole lot of noise and not a lot of go.

• 18:17Speaker 05

  And all this happened like, I don't know, it was like a ten fifteen seconds, maybe everything happened twenty seconds max. And then I looked over at her after we passed it. And she was white as a ghost, as people would say. And I I looked at her and then she looked at me and she goes, did you just effing see that? And, you know, one of my favorite shows at the time was NCIS. I watched, I watched a lot of cop stuff. So I was like, okay, what did you see? I'm not going to tell you what I saw. What did you see? And then if you saw what I saw, then it was for sure real. And she described everything that I saw, not in as much detail, but she said

• 19:00Speaker 05

  there was this, this thing standing there, the eyes were shining and you could see its muscles and and I just wanted to get the the F out of there. And then that's when the fear set in because if this thing wanted to, it could have easily, if if there was two of them, in fact, you know, they could have easily ran us down. You know, just, just going based off of other eyewitnesses with, you know, saying how fast these things are moving. And when it was running through that field, I mean, it was like a cartoon or something. It didn't make sense how he was moving. It was like, I don't know, it's hard to explain, but it just, the legs were going. And it was just, I don't want to say floating, but man, like, that's pretty accurate description of what it looked like. It was just

• 19:44Speaker 05

  gliding across and it had, the terrain had no effect on its upper body, like his legs were like shock absorbers almost, and it just just cruised through the field like nothing. And, uh, and but after we passed it, that's when the fear set in because like, man, these things could have easily, if they wanted to, they could have caught us and and and, you know, flipped the car and and did whatever they wanted to us, uh, but they didn't. They just.

• 20:12Speaker 05

  Like this, this thing got caught off guard almost. I think what was happening, looking back, I think it was trying to get across the road before we came up. Cause I think this thing is, these things are smart. They know when there's a car coming. You know, if they live out there, like, like if, if they live in the wilderness, they know what we are. Um, you had a guy on earlier that he said he was walking through the woods and one, you know, he walked up on one. And then once the, the Bigfoot realized he had a gun, then that's when everything changed. And then the guy put his hand up to signal like, hey, I'm not gonna go for the gun. And then it walked away. So clearly it knows, it knows more than other animals would know.

• 20:53Speaker 05

  So I think it was trying to get across the road before we pulled up, um, on it, but it, it didn't get a chance to. That's why it stopped. Like, I'm just gonna stand still, hopefully they don't see me, but I mean, it was clear as day. It was, it was. Yeah, it was, uh, it changed my perspective on a lot of things, cause. You know, I always wanted to believe Bigfoot was real, but all the other stuff people see, like the, the, the shimmering man, or the dog man, or all these other cryptids, you know? The, the rake, you know, th- there's no way those things are real, right? But then you got all these people telling you, this is what I saw and.

• 21:34Speaker 05

  I just find it hard to believe that everybody's lying, but they're describing the same thing, you know, like, it's just. There's no way that it's. It would be more crazy if it wa- wasn't real, I guess, right? Like, what are people seeing if they're not seeing what they're seeing? You know, like i- i- it's, it's hard to put into words, like. You, you, you almost, you almost want to see one? Like a dog man or a rake, just to like. I don't know, self gratification, like, okay, now these things are real, now what do we do from here? And, and that's the question, I think, like. We know they're real, at least I do. And like, where do you go from there? Where do you, what do you do with that information?

• 22:17Speaker 05

  And it just, you know, I had, cause we lived out in, out in the country. We lived pretty far from town and, and our driveway was like, I would say fifty, sixty yards long. And, uh, you know, it's just me, mom and my sister. So I'm technically the man of the house. So, you know, it's my job to take the trash cans down to the road. And I hated doing it cause I just, you know, walking back up the driveway. Like you had that feeling that something was behind you, which there probably never was, but that was probably just me freaking myself out. But it changed my perspective, you know, and, and, you know, very shortly after that is, uh,

• 22:59Speaker 05

  you know, you, you, you ask people if, you know, if they've ever seen lights and I have on two occasions. And it was right after that. I never saw anything before. Never saw anything before, but right after that I saw a few other things. Um, and, and it's hard to even tell you what I'm about to tell you, even though I'm on, you know, this is the whole reason why I contacted you is to, to put it out there that I, I'm, you know,

• 23:33Speaker 05

  the, I've also seen UFO on two occasions as well. Um, but those two occasions, there was plenty of people that also saw the same thing. And so, uh, I know for sure that what we saw is what we saw, cause we all, we all saw the same thing.

• 23:50Wes Germer?

  Yeah. Before you go on to the, uh, lights, I was kinda curious. I mean, how far away from you guys is this creature? And what kinda stood out to you when you were looking at it?

• 24:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I remember all, everything about this vivid details cuz I had nightmares about this thing for months after this was like. I had, it was so weird. It was probably my mind is making it up, but I had this, I kept getting this flash image in my mind and it happened during the day when I was wide awake. It happened when I was sleeping. It happened all the time and the flash image was that thing standing on the side of the road. But it, it raised this hand up and put its finger on his mouth like, you know, when you tell somebody to shush. It, it, it, it didn't do that when I saw it, but I kept getting the flash image that it was telling me to be quiet. Like you didn't see what you saw like, you know. You didn't see me and um.

• 24:45Speaker 05

  But so I remember a lot about this thing. The only thing that I don't remember was the feet because it was in a field, you know, with things growing. So I just think that the feet were out of view. Um, but. The, the, from the waist up was definitely taller or longer than the legs. I think the legs proportionately looked, you know, kind of short. And this thing was maybe six feet tall. It wasn't these monstrous, you know, huge beings that people see. It wasn't that big. So that's why, you know, maybe leaning towards juvenile, I think, cuz I don't really know, but. Uh, it wasn't very big. Uh, the arms were long. Uh, you can see muscle definition through the fur.

• 25:30Speaker 05

  The mus- the hair was kind of thinning on the bicep area and the chest area, which is why I believe that it was a younger one because if it was older. Probably would have been more fully covered in hair unless it was a super old one and then it was just thinning. I don't, I have no idea, but. You can see the biceps. I can see the veins in its arm like we, it was. It was ten feet from us. Like I said, it was, we were in the car on the right side of the road and it was just one lane and it was right there. So it was. It was less than ten feet from the car and you know our headlights were on this thing for like a five or six full seconds like

• 26:12Speaker 05

  cause the angle that we were driving at and and the angle that that field is at the headlights are on this field for a good five or six seconds before you start turning and it was standing right there right in the headlights so I saw everything, man. I saw it's eyes were thick. You could see muscle tone in the thighs. You could see his chest muscles. It it looked

• 26:35Speaker 05

  not really like a bodybuilder, not like huge, huge, but it was like, um man.

• 26:46Speaker 05

  It it it had muscle. Let's just put it that way. It had muscle tone, um and it was all black, jet black. The skin was like if you were to like mix gray paint and black paint together, you get like a darker gray or a lighter black. It was kind of like that color. And it had like a uh like a shimmer almost like like oily skin would have kind of. It was like that. And you could, I could see clearly the the the eyes were shining, so I couldn't see any pupils or nothing like that, but it had a

• 27:26Speaker 05

  it its face, I never saw any ears, which is weird, but then listening to your podcast, not a lot of people see the ears. So I don't know if they're just a weird shape or whatever, but I didn't see any ears. Um, but it had, if man, it looked like a person. It looked like a human being. But not human, you know, at the same time. It was like and I think I put it in the email that I sent you, you know, it was like an Aboriginal person from Australia where they look human, but they they have like slight uh Neanderthal features, I guess you would say, like the like the pronounced uh uh forehead.

• 28:06Speaker 05

  Um, but the nose was very human like, like the but um kind of like.

• 28:15Speaker 05

  I don't know if you if you follow UFC, but there's a fighter's name's Chael Sonnen and his nose is kind of like flat in the middle. From probably being punched in the face a bunch, but it it didn't have like a pronounced nose ridge. It was kind of flat, but it wasn't. It wasn't uh like wide, like a like maybe like a gorilla's nose would be. It wasn't wide like that. It looked like a human nose, but it was kind of flat in the middle. And I could see his lips, you know, and and they weren't. Man, they weren't like. Forgive me for saying that, but they weren't like luscious lips, you know, like like a human might have, but you could definitely see the lips.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  And it had hair on his face a- as if, you know, a a person with a beard would have. So like the cheek area, it didn't have any hair on it at all. Right under the lip, the bottom lip didn't have any hair on it at all. And uh and it it stood there and it was breathing out of its nostrils because you could see the nostrils flaring every time it it. It like exhaled. It stood motionless, left hand had a watermelon in its hand as if you're like holding a baby. So it wasn't like down by its side. It was kind of, you know. He was holding it like kind of like right below where his peck would be.

• 29:39Speaker 05

  And his right arm was was down by his side and the hand was shaped like like a Lego man, like like the like Lego man, how they their hands are the shape like a C. It his hand was shaped like that and it was just down by his side. So I never, on the right hand, I only saw that C shape. But on the left hand, uh I could see all the fingers. Because it had his fingers, you know, spread open because it was holding something. And if I were to to guess, it was a if I were holding the watermelon, it would probably it would be a large watermelon. I don't know, maybe ten pounds, fifteen pound watermelon, a large watermelon. But in in his hands, this thing looks like a

• 30:25Speaker 05

  it didn't look very big when he was holding it, but in reality, it probably was a a larger watermelon. Because his hands were huge. His hands were. That was one of the one things that stuck out as being, you know, disproportionate was his hands were were. Too big for how the size of this thing, his hands are huge. And it it was holding this watermelon almost like an NBA player would hold a basketball like it just looked. It looked kind of hilarious how small this watermelon looked in his hands. And it didn't have any hair on the top of his hand and I could I could see I could see fingernails like. If the if that was a person in a suit, my God, the detail, the the amount of hours that person spent on that thing is.

• 31:10Speaker 05

  It crazy, but you know, he didn't move like a person would move. In fact, he didn't move like any other animal on the planet would move. And that's the freaky parts like if it. Can move like that and traverse territory. The way that it does. Like, there's not a whole lot that it can't do, you know? But again, I I think that, uh. And we'll we'll probably go into my theories on on what it is, but I I just think that, uh. It's mysterious, a lot of a lot of things that are weird about it that that. Put me out of the whole. You know, undiscovered ape category.

• 31:52Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I could understand the way you feel. And you know, that whole floating motion that you saw, a lot of eyewitnesses report that. Very unnatural type movement to where it shouldn't be that smooth, the way it moves. And Karen watermelon is kind of interesting. Uh, so what you saw basically wasn't an animal, it looked more man.

• 32:16Speaker 05

  Oh, definitely more human like like I like it looked like an Aboriginal person, but more hairy.

• 32:23Speaker 05

  And taller, obviously the Aboriginal people from Australia, I don't think they're very tall. Um, I could be wrong, but I don't I don't think so. Never knew really how to describe it, um, until a couple of years ago, I was watching a documentary and it was about the Aboriginal people of Australia. And I was watching the show and I was like, holy crap, that looks exactly like the Bigfoot that I saw. That's crazy.

• 32:43Wes Germer?

  You know, some people, when they see these things, they'll say, I saw an animal. But I will say more than often than not, most eyewitnesses will say. I kind of remind me of a man, kind of remind me of a human. Obviously different features than we have, but. The feeling most eyewitnesses get is I saw a man, I saw a human. And I get the UFC reference with the, the broken nose. A lot of eyewitnesses say the nose was flat or smashed in. Uh, tell me about the lights that you saw.

• 33:19Speaker 05

  Uh, this happened, the first one happened, God, probably was a week, maybe after this. And, and that's what really set in my, my fear of, of, uh, being outside at nighttime, because I used to go into the woods all the time. Me and my buddies would go camping all the time. We'd go, you know, I learned on Man vs. Wild with Bear Grylls. He, he teaches you in one of the episodes, how to make a teepee out of sticks and a, and a belt. So we used to go all the time and, and mess around in the woods, me and my friends. And, um, the house that we lived in, it was off of Woodland Drive off Cedar Ravine. And it was one of the original houses from like the original wagon trail that moved through California. As so I'm told, I'm not, I didn't do any research.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  I don't really know, but when you, when you, the house is built on the side of a hill. And when you look under the house, you can see like the original fireplace. We even found some like, God, they were probably over a hundred years old, like a pair of shoes. Underneath there, but the house was built on the side of the hill. So there was a wooden deck that wrapped around the entire house. And where my room was at, was on the corner of the house, where the deck is the highest off the ground. But I was sitting on, on my back porch, right outside the, because my bedroom had two doors. One, you know, the inside door from the inside. And then I had an outside door as well. So when I came home late, I could just go through the outside door without waking anybody up in the house. And I had a bench outside and I was sitting outside.

• 34:46Speaker 05

  It was a pretty quiet night. In fact, really quiet, but I didn't really know anything about that back in the day where, you know, like the forest goes quiet, no crickets or nothing. I, I don't remember like the shift, I guess you would say, like, I don't remember there being crickets and then there wasn't, but I just remember sitting there and I was like, man, it's so quiet. It was a really bright, starry night. It was a very clear night. And again, I lived in Placerville and there's not a lot of light pollution out there. And/or a lot of smog. So, you know, during, at nighttime, the, the sky is, is amazing to look at.

• 35:24Speaker 05

  And I remember I was sitting on my back porch and I was smoking and I was just looking up at the stars and then out of nowhere, I just, there was like a, like a glow from the other side of the house. And from, just to give you a little bit of direction here, I was sitting on the back porch of my house, looking towards the road. And when I looked to my right, there's the driveway and the driveway kind of curves, you know, to the left, down to the road. And I saw this glow on the other side of the house in, that caught my attention, cause we have floodlights that come on and stuff like that. And at first, that's what I, that's what I thought it was. And then I realized that it was blue.

• 36:07Speaker 05

  It's like, well, our floodlights aren't blue. So what is that? And I didn't get up, I had my phone in my hand too. It was a flip phone, you know, back in, you know, this was in two thousand eight, so smartphones weren't a thing yet. Maybe they were, maybe they were just too expensive or whatever, but I had a flip phone. And no, as a matter of fact, smartphones weren't out, cause I had like the newest flip phone. It was the Motorola, uh, the Razr. And I had that phone and I had it in my hand and I saw this blue glow and then it started getting brighter. And I was ki- I wasn't like frozen in fear, but I was just like, let me sit here and see what happens, cause you know, if there's somebody on my property, walking past with a flashlight or whatever, I'm gonna go tell, you know,

• 36:51Speaker 05

  my stepdad, cause you know, we had guns and all that stuff. And as a matter of fact, I'll, you know, there's a funny story that I'll tell later, if we have time, uh, about him rushing out of the house one time with a shotgun. Uh, but, but anyways, I'm, I'm sitting there. And this glow is just, you know, getting brighter and brighter, cause I think it's moving towards me. So and then it stopped and it just kind of was there. And like I said, I'm only seeing a glow from the other side of the house. I'm not actually seeing this, the light. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna see what this is. So I got up really silently and I walked across this deck and I peeked around the side of the house and

• 37:31Speaker 05

  man, it was, it was a blue, perfect ball of light. Self-emanating light, maybe the size of a softball, maybe a little bit bigger, not huge. And it was across the other side of the driveway, so it was maybe thirty yards away.

• 37:51Speaker 05

  Which be like ninety, a hundred feet, maybe somewhere around there. And it was just floating there. Time stood still almost, and then it started moving down the driveway. And the best way I can describe the light is if. Is if a person was walking down the driveway and the way your head would move as you were walking down the driveway. That's the motion this light took. And I watched this light.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  Go all the way down the driveway, across the street to the neighbor's house. Down his driveway, because like I said, it's a hill, so his house is below our house. And then it just kind of went off into the trees and I could see the blue glow for a long time. Um, but then it dissipated and I was still standing in the same spot and I was like. What? Did I just see? And why didn't I take a picture of this thing? I had my phone in my hand, but it just. It didn't register. You know, I didn't want to take my eyes off of it. Honestly, I was mesmerizing. I was like, what the hell am I looking at? And yeah, I was scared at that time because I was like. You know, I I've heard of like ball lightning and stuff, but I was like, man.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  What is this thing? Is this, can this thing hurt me? I don't want to take a chance. So I I vividly remember too, like, holding my breath. To the point where I had, I had to take a breath. I was like, okay, breathe stupid. And it was very odd and I was by myself. So I didn't have any witnesses and I didn't, I've, to this day, Wes, I've never told anybody, not a single person. Until right now, what I saw. Because me and my mom just had that sighting a few days earlier and we told my sister about it and of course freaked her out. She was, I think. Fourteen at the time, thirteen or fourteen. She was, she was young. And I saw this light and I, and I had an inclination to go tell.

• 39:46Speaker 05

  What I saw, but I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I already told my stepdad that we saw Bigfoot. He laughed at us. Now, now there's a blue light in the driveway. That's, you know, I'm not telling anybody, no way. I don't want to, nobody's looking at me talking and they're going to tell me that I'm a kook, you know? So I didn't tell anybody. And I stood there for a while and I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna go back to what I was doing, I guess. I don't know what to do with that information, but that was strange. And I never saw the blue light ever again. Um, but the second light that I saw, behind your house, there was woods. To the, to the right of our house, across the other side of the driveway, there was a family that owned horses. They had a few horses, but, but back behind the house, so. Uh, the other direction, not the roadside, but the other side, it's just woods. There is a house back there, but it's, it's a long ways back there.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  And this was, it wasn't quite dark, but it, but the sun was down, but you could still see, you know, for quite a ways.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  And again, middle of summer. At this time, I was standing in the driveway and I was smoking a cigarette. And I heard a noise to my right, cause I didn't see the light at first. And, and the second time I saw it, I didn't actually see the actual source of the light. I just saw the glow. And, you know, your podcast has definitely opened my eyes to certain aspects of, of things that I was seeing in terms of like how to describe them. And. When you said like, the old flashlight from the eighties, that color, that's exactly the color that it was. And it was just moving through the trees. And at first I was like. A hundred percent, I was like, that's a person walking through the trees with a flashlight.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  But then I was like, flashlights only shine one direction. This thing's lighting up the trees behind it as well. And then I was like, wait a second, that thing's like 20 feet off the ground too. What the am I looking at? And it just, it was just, it was just out of visual range where I didn't see the light. I just, I just saw the glow. And it just floated through the trees. And it, and I watched it for. Probably two or three minutes straight, just standing there watching it. In fact, my cigarette went out, cause I was just standing there watching this light. And, uh, yeah, it just floated through the trees off to the distance and then, and then, uh, then I never saw a light after that.

• 42:00Wes Germer?

  It's very interesting that you saw the lights after your sighting and I can relate to especially that second encounter with the lights because I saw something very similar. You kind of brought up the whole, you know, I'd made mention on the Browns property of the light that I saw was like a flashlight from the eighties and it kind of had the movement of someone walking with a flashlight. The closer it got, the more I realized that's not someone with a flashlight. When you were looking at both of these lights, how big were they?

• 42:34Speaker 05

  The, the first one, the blue one was, it was maybe a softball, maybe like a grapefruit size. It wasn't terribly big. It was smaller than a basketball and it was across the driveway. So it wasn't very far, 25, 30 yards away. And I was looking dead at this thing, directly looking right at it. And it just gracefully, like it didn't have a single care in the world that anything was around, that anybody was watching it. It just like was its own thing. And it was, it was almost like, um, like it didn't belong there, I guess, or we didn't belong there or something like it just had no care in the world that I was standing there. Whether it, if it's,

• 43:16Speaker 05

  if it's conscious or sentient, I have no idea, but whether it noticed I was there or not, or whatever the light is, whether it's natural, but I can't, I've researched that natural lights and nothing comes close to what I saw. So the first one was grapefruit size, maybe a little bit bigger. And the second one, I have no idea because I didn't actually see the source of the light. I just saw the, the, that yellowish tingey glow through the trees.

• 43:41Wes Germer?

  I know you had mentioned a ball of lightning and these balls of light that people are seeing, I really want it to be a ball of lightning, but it was been like 10 years ago. I remember researching it and I think you have better odds of winning the power ball than actually seeing a ball of lightning. I'm kind of curious to what you think Bigfoot is, but before I ask you that, what do you think that these lights are?

• 44:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, so that's the reason, and I thought about this a lot because I knew you were gonna ask that question. Um, and I knew, I knew before, like as soon as I contacted you, I knew we were gonna talk about Bigfoot, but I knew I wanted to bring up the lights. Um, because I believe you said that almost every single person that you ask that's seen Bigfoot has also seen the lights. And it's strange, man, that it only happened twice and it happened right after the Bigfoot sighting and never again. Um, so my belief is these things are connected somehow, some way. Whether they, they come from the same place. Cause we'll get into what I think about what Bigfoot is, because I know you're gonna ask the question, but I don't think they're from here.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  They're, I don't think they're from here. I don't think the lights are from here. I think the lights are like.

• 44:59Speaker 05

  Man, if I, if I wanna go totally wild and say this, just obviously just my opinion, and I'm not even totally sure if I buy into it. But the, the lights are, are, I equate them to like me and you going to Walmart and buying a drone and flying it around. You know what I mean? That's what I think they are. It's, it's something else controlling these, or they could be sentient. They're can, they're just doing their own thing. I have no idea, but I, but I definitely think that some way they're connected because they're always, they're always in pairs, you know? They're in same thing with UFOs. Bigfoots and UFOs, they, they always happen at the same time. In most case, in most occasions, I think.

• 45:41Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I wouldn't say that everyone that has seen Bigfoot has also seen the lights. Um, it all started for me about 10 years ago when people would have these things on their property and, uh, they would also report these weird lights. You may not be wrong about them being drones. I've often thought about that as well. Drones for what? I don't know, but, uh, you know, when people are hiking or it's a real brief sighting, uh, generally they don't report the lights. I know with your roadside sighting, it was basically right next to your home. Uh, so that might be a different story, but it's generally when people have these things on their properties, when they actually see the lights. What do you think Bigfoot is?

• 46:26Speaker 05

  You know?

• 46:28Speaker 05

  I don't wanna sound crazy or anything and say that it's like alien or whatever, cuz I don't think they're aliens. Maybe they are, I don't know. I don't think they're from here, though. I think that, you know, you have some cases where people describe seeing a Bigfoot and it's, you know, got yellow teeth and it's all dirty with mud and sticks stuck in his hair. And then you have other people that see it and they're like, yeah, this thing it looked like a, like a nice fur coat and it had nice white teeth. So I'm thinking that maybe, possibly that the ones that they're seeing with nice white teeth and fur coats, those things have just been dropped off. You know, they're brand new to the area. They're, they're clean and fresh cuz they just got dropped off.

• 47:12Speaker 05

  And when I say dropped off, I just wanna say from a craft, you know, that I don't know, cuz they're hundred percent, they're not an undiscovered primate. There's no chance. They don't move like anything else. They don't act like anything else. There's, there's, there's definitely a language. I didn't, I've never heard the, the sounds, but tons of people have, and there's tons of audio recordings of it as well. And and the reason why it's definitely not, I don't believe in evolution. I believe in, you know, adaptation, obviously. But even if, even if I believed in evolution, even if we gave that a shot, you know, like if it was it, okay, so you have like uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, right? They're uncontacted, you know, you could, whatever you wanna,

• 47:58Speaker 05

  you know, the definition of uncontacted, but my definition of uncontacted is uh, European or white men. They've never seen him. And when you finally see these uncontacted tribes, they don't look like Neanderthal. They're not covered in hair. They look like us. They look like modern day humans. So if anybody's missing the evolution, it would be people like that, but they seem to be right on par with us. And also, maybe if they were only seen in one spot, like, oh, they're only in this part of the world, then also maybe, but they're everywhere. They're everywhere. And you know, the descriptions vary little bit as well. You know, there's different, there's different, I guess you would say, species of the same animal. But I, I, uh,

• 48:40Speaker 05

  I don't think they're from here. I think that they they get picked up from somewhere and they get dropped off here. And then they get monitored. And you know, this whole cloaking situation that people describe, I never saw that. You know, so I don't want to, you know, say anybody's crazy, obviously, but if if if you were a being and you had. And you knew you could cloak to stay invisible. And you were in an area that you didn't want to be seen, why would you ever uncloak? You know, you would just stay invisible the whole time. So, you know, people seeing these things cloaking, I don't think it's them. I don't think they have special powers. I just think.

• 49:20Speaker 05

  And it's can, it sounds crazy saying it out loud because I never really said it out loud before, but I, I, I don't think they're from here. I think they get picked up from somewhere and they get dropped off and they get monitored to see how. We react and that's why they don't hurt people because there's like. Almost like you, like you said it before, almost, almost like a rules of engagement kind of thing like. If you don't threaten me, I won't threaten you. I'm just going to go about my business and do my thing, but but, you know. When they, when they see people, they're surprised whether they're surprised they got caught off guard or they're surprised that it's the first time they're seeing. They're seeing one of us, you know, kind of thing. So I don't, I don't think they're from here. I think they're from somewhere else.

• 49:58Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, it's an interesting take, Nick. I've often thought about this as well. And I'd, I'd like to say. You're a hundred percent wrong, but I can't really disagree with a lot of what you said. Uh, there is a lot of weird things with this subject to where. You know, if it was a normal ape running around, I think we would have caught it by now. Um, and especially like you said, they're seen everywhere. It's not just one little location where. People are seeing these things. They're being seen all around the world. And the lights often do come up. And it does make me wonder if there's some sort of weird correlation between the lights or maybe the lights are something separate and they're.

• 50:41Wes Germer?

  Uh, like a drone, like what, what in the world does this thing and they're. It's hard to say what Sasquatch is. It really is. I want it to be an ape, but in my heart, I just.

• 50:53Wes Germer?

  I don't know. You know, I've seen weird things in the sky. I've seen, and I can't say that there were UFOs. One, one of them was very weird. It was me, Woody and my mother and we were sitting out on the back deck and it was just weird thing in the sky. It was like flashing different colors. I can't really say there was a shape to it, but there was definitely up in the sky and it was just flashing constantly different colors. And the other weird thing I've seen in the sky is one time Woody and I were on our motorcycles and we were down by the Columbia River. And again, I, at first we thought it was a satellite. It was much closer to us than a

• 51:33Wes Germer?

  satellite would be, but I remember watching this thing just zigzag. I mean, it would turn 90 degrees, take off, stop, turn 90 degrees, take off, stop. So there's definitely weird things in the sky. You had mentioned you had seen a couple UFOs. Do you mind telling me about it?

• 51:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure. So both of these happened before the Bigfoot sighting. One of them was in Placerville, where I grew up, and the other one was in Southern California. I was down there for a month on vacation with my aunt and uncle. And I was with some of my cousins. So the first one,

• 52:10Speaker 05

  one of my buddies, he had his own house. He was a little bit older than all of us. We were like, you know, 18, 19 years old. No, we were younger than that. We were 16, 17 years old. But he was like 25. He was older than everybody, but he had his own house and the, the house, the roof of the house was flat. So we used to always go on top of the roof and party, you know, and you know what it's like. You know, you remember being 16, like I had my own car. So I was not at home. I was out, I was out having fun. And there was probably 20 of us up there and you know, we're all drinking and smoking and having a good time. And, and then I didn't notice it. I wasn't the first one to see it. It was somebody else. And he tapped me on the shoulder. He's like, look dude,

• 52:51Speaker 05

  it's a satellite. And I was like, oh, that's pretty sweet because it's a clear night. You know, I remember, I remember everybody wearing t-shirts. So it must've been again, you know, July, August time, so around there. And it was probably two o'clock in the morning. It was, it was super late because the cops already came and told us to shut it down. But we didn't, we just kept going. We just turned the music down a little bit. But he pointed at me or tapped me and pointed at this thing. He said, look at the satellite. And we're watching the satellite cruise through the air and then it just stopped. And I was like, well, I lost it. He's like, I still, I'm still looking at the light. It just stopped. And then it's when it started going in a different direction. And then it out of nowhere, it just started like

• 53:34Speaker 05

  bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, like jumping from place to place like. How do I describe it? Like, um. It just started like bouncing around the sky and it was far off, like really far from us. So I never actually saw the crap. It was just light. But it started, it started jumping different places and then it floated off. Like kind of at an upward angle, the opposite direction that it came from. And at this point, you know, as it starts bouncing around, everybody on the roof is looking at this thing bouncing around. And everyone's like looking at each other like, what the hell is that? And I was like, I don't know. It was floating straight like a satellite and then it started doing that. And then it kind of just zoomed off. When it went up towards the, in the other direction, it was.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  If I were to guess, it was moving like 10 times faster than it was at the beginning, like it just was gone. So we're all kind of confused and we're like looking at each other like, what, what, what was that? And I was the one, I was like, dude, it's freaking UFO, man. And everyone kind of laughed. I was like, what else could it be? Satellites don't do that. Nothing, nothing, nothing does that. Stars don't do that. What else could it be? And then, and then they're like, man, maybe you're right. And then, uh, and this is the crazy part. This is the part, whenever I tell people about it, they're like, okay, you're making shit up. But I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes later, we saw, uh, three helicopters fly in the direction of that light. And the helicopters, uh, they didn't have any markings on them. They were black.

• 55:00Speaker 05

  Uh, because you could see the silhouette of them because they went right above the house. And they weren't very high in the sky. I don't know. I have no idea how high they were, but you could see all three of them. You could see their, their like defined outlines. And they didn't have any lights on them or nothing like that. And they weren't like. They weren't very loud. They were, they were kind of quiet. I was like, dude, those helicopters are pretty close. Why are they not like blowing the trees around? But they just cruised right over the house and they went in the direction of the lights and then that was it. We never. We never heard anything about it. It was never on the news, like nothing. But we definitely saw it.

• 55:37Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's strange, especially with the movement. And you know, if someone was in that craft, you'd think they'd be dead with some of the maneuvers that these things pull in the sky. Makes you wonder sometimes that they have like their own gravitational field, or if there's beings inside, it would seem like you would almost have to. What was the second incident?

• 56:00Speaker 05

  Uh, this one was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my entire life, even more amazing than Bigfoot, because this was insane. And there was six of us. We were in the backyard at my cousin's house. And we were, uh, there's an Indian reservation down there called the Saboba Indian Reservation, and they have a casino. And I don't know if the casino is on the reservation or not. I've, I've never been, I've been to the casino a few times to eat and stuff. So I don't, I don't remember if it's on the res or not on the res, but I know they have a casino. And they have, you know, like the giant lights, like at a football game, the big lights that like swirl around in the sky, like the spotlights. They have those. And you can see them, and you could see the glow from

• 56:40Speaker 05

  the casino, like over the hill in his backyard. Um, because his house was in one of those like new KB home style developments, and his house was at the very back of it. So behind his house was nothing but like sagebrush and, and hills, all like, all the way, like miles until you hit the freeway. Uh, so there was no other houses behind us. And we were out there and, you know, we were smoking and, uh, and, uh, I was like, holy crap, you see the lights, it's kind of cool. And then, you know, we were just talking or whatever. And my older cousin, Ryan, he's the oldest one out of the bunch. He was just staring up at the sky with his jaw wide open. I was like, dude, what are you, are you all right? Are you good? And I like shook him, uh, because we were smoking some pretty

• 57:25Speaker 05

  potent stuff, man. And I shook him like, yo, you good? And then he looked at me just with his eyes. He didn't turn his head. He's like, dude, look. And he said it very like, almost like a whisper. He's like, look. And I looked up what he was looking at. And then I out loud, I was like, holy shit. And then everybody looked. And man, it was, I'm trying to describe the shape. It was like the shape of like a candy bar. It was long, the bottom of it was flat. And it was, it was rounded on the top and rounded on the front and back. And It was, it definitely looked like it was made out of metal.

• 58:10Speaker 05

  Well, I don't know what, but there was no rivets, there was no, you couldn't see like sections. It was like, it was like if you took like a, like a, like a butterfinger or something and you dipped it in chrome. And then threw it up in the sky. That's what, it wasn't like shiny chrome, but that, that's, it's hard to describe, but yeah, it was just, it was just floating there. And at first my other cousin was like, no, it's just a blimp fool, you tripping. I was like, dude, that's not a blimp, look at it, it's, look at it. He's like, damn, maybe you're right fool, maybe it's not a blimp. And then we're all staring at this thing and then like within a blink of an eye, boom, like warp drive, gone. And I was like, wait a second, did we just, huh, did we just see what we saw?

• 58:55Speaker 05

  And we all went in the house, we were terrified, we went in the house and we talked about it for a long time and, and, and then towards the end of the night, we chalked it up as we were all just, we were all just high or something, so I don't know if, but yeah, I, I talked to my cousin about it a few times since then, he's like, yeah, that was, that was insane. Cause he's never seen anything like that before, so for, for us, that was like, almost like a bonding thing. Cause after that, we got a lot closer, cause we started getting interested into the same things. And uh, yeah, that was a, that was an insane, insane thing. And it's, it floated there for like 10 minutes, like a long time, we all had plenty of time to look at this thing. And uh, this and this UFO sighting happened long after the Bigfoot sighting.

• 59:40Speaker 05

  The lights happened right after as well. Uh, so I think I was in my twenties when this happened and smartphones were definitely a thing. And again, whatever is the case, uh, but I just never thought to take, I, I, in 10 minutes of looking at this thing and we never thought to take a picture. Which I kick myself in the ass right now, thinking back like, why didn't you even, but I just never crossed my mind to thought like, like, I had my phone in my pocket, I believe, and it just never dawned on me that I had a camera that I could have taken a picture of this thing, cause it was. It was definitely close enough. Cause I know when you zoom in on camera, it gets kind of blurry and distorted, but it was close enough where if we would have snapped some photos, it would probably would have been pretty clear.

• 1:00:25Speaker 05

  Um, but yeah, it was it the, the, it just, it was there and then it was gone. And it didn't, it didn't like blink out of existence, like disappear. It was definitely a motion like. But it was like, um. Like your brain can't comprehend what just happened kind of motion. It was just like. It moved off at such a rapid speed that. It was like Star Trek, man, like warp drive gone. But and there was no like weird plume of smoke. There was no light behind it. There was no lights on it at all. As a matter of fact, it was just this medical thing just floating in the sky. And it just zoomed off. And it was insane.

• 1:01:03Wes Germer?

  Sounds like you guys saw a Tic Tac or what they call a Tic Tac craft.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, but the only thing though, is the bottom of it was flat. So that's what, cause I was, I wanted to say it was a Tic Tac too, cause I've, you know. You know, seen David Fravor on Rogan and all that stuff. And I, I know about the Tic Tac pretty, pretty, uh, pretty well, but yeah, this thing, the bottom of it was flat. So that's the only difference. And I don't know why, but and it was, it might've been longer too, but. Yeah, it was perfect description. It was like a Tic Tac shape, but it was flat on the bottom. And it was clearly flat on the bottom. It wasn't like a, like a visual distortion or some type of, you know, trick of the light. It was clearly the bottom of it was flat.

• 1:01:42Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I remember I did a show, it was like hundreds of, of episodes ago. Uh, this, I want to say it was a father and son. And he had snapped a picture of this craft and it looked like a Tic Tac, like a silver. Tic Tac, uh, it was longer than what I thought it would be. But it was weird. It was just sitting there above the lake and. The father and son had actually seen the craft come out of the lake and it was just kind of hovering there. And much like how you described, he said, like in a blink of the eye, it was gone. It wasn't like it vanished. It just took off. Again, going back to some of these craft, I mean, if there's human beings inside these craft,

• 1:02:24Wes Germer?

  let's say they're military craft, I don't think you're going to survive very long with some of the G-force that you're, that you would, your body would endure with how these craft actually move. Before we close out, do you think that these craft that people are seeing, do you think that they're from here? It's something the government has created, or do you think they're from somewhere else?

• 1:02:49Speaker 05

  Man, with, with, so I, I recently saw a thing about, I think it's called Go Fast, not the Go Fast video, the UFO, the UFO video, but it was a guy, I can't remember his name, but he was on Rogan recently and he was talking about, you know, he made a video with like a, like a, like a, like a film editor from like Norway or something, or Sweden, but they made this video about, you know, how fast you would have to go to get to the closest star, which is like Alpha Centauri or something. I can't remember the name of it, but you know, at our, our current technology would take us like a thousand or 2000 years to get there. But with their technology that they're, you know, like fusion, nuclear propulsion or whatever,

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  they could get there in like five months or something like that. And it obviously is all theoretical because we don't have that technology, but these things move like that. They, they, they shoot off at speeds. If there's, if there's living things inside those crafts, there's no way that they survive that unless they have some kind of technology. I don't, I don't think that these things are from Earth. And if they are from Earth, they're not human. If they're, if they were already here, or if there's, you know, bases under the ocean, or you know, whatever, you know, the people are saying, I have no idea. I don't, and, and I can't, I cannot sit here and call people crazy because I seen what I seen. And I hate when people laugh at me in my face when I tell them. That's why I don't tell anybody because

• 1:04:17Speaker 05

  that's generally the response you'll get until they have an encounter and they're like, damn, maybe there's something to this. But I don't, they're, they're not human. They're not technology that mankind possesses. No freaking way. And if, and if it is, like the Tic Tac was in 2004, that's over 20 years ago. If that's man-made, what, what do we have now? You know, that's just, it's crazy to think about.

• 1:04:43Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you're right. The Tic Tac video was like 20 years ago. Uh, makes you wonder what they have now. And it makes you wonder where they're coming from. I, I agree with you. I, I don't think it's our military. Uh, but you know, no one really knows. And I really appreciate you coming on and sharing the encounter with the Sasquatch and especially carrying the watermelon, you know, it didn't, it didn't bother putting its watermelon down. I've often wondered too, you know, for such an elusive creature, they'll do this sort of thing, where they'll just kind of walk out in front of a car and for something so elusive, you'd think that'd be the last thing they would do. But they, you know, eyewitnesses report it all the time. And, uh, thank you again, Nick, for coming on. I really enjoyed

• 1:05:28Wes Germer?

  chatting with you, brother.

• 1:05:30Speaker 05

  No, of course. It was, it was my pleasure, sir. It was, it was definitely an honor and, uh, and I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

• 1:05:37Wes Germer?

  Thank you again, Nick. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

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