SC EP:1139 How do you know you were ever really there

I am not sure how to write this one up. Spoke to the witness and before we started the interview he said "I have the creepiest paranormal encounter you have probably ever heard….30 min later I said "You were right, that was the creepiest thing I have ever heard." a listener writes "Hello Wes, I have listened to your show for a couple years now and was curious if you are still doing them. I have had some very strange encounters starting when I was a Senior in High School in 1989. I am now in Western North Carolina and after 4 years of a quiet life, I am now having encounters with creatures in the Smoky Mountains and my home here that sits atop a Mountain just outside the Cherokee Indian Reservation. I would love to discuss some of these events with you and possibly share some of my stories on your show if possible. Please let me know if you are interested. I do have some pics and Audio of some of my encounters as well."

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  I look over to the right, across my friend out the window, and my brain skipped a beat. And I was like, "What?" And I like, looked like, three times real quick. And Cory said, "What's wrong?" And he was looking at me. And I said, "Look." And he looked over, and he looked back at me, and his jaw was on the floor. Where the house was, was like, this pebble lot.

• 0:28Wes Germer?

  You know, Drew, before we started recording, you told me this was gonna be probably the creepiest paranormal encounter that I've ever heard. And I was like, "Hmm, I guess we'll find out together." But I stand corrected. That is the creepiest paranormal encounter I've ever heard.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Okay, alright, alright.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Nice shooting, Tex.

• 0:58Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent, stood straight up, and... That, that shocked me.

• 1:19Speaker 00

  They don't make people that, that big.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  The way it moved.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 1:40Speaker 03

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 1:52Speaker 03

  I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  This is Shane Grove, host of the From the Shadows podcast. And I'd like to introduce to you a host that I'd like to be with when I grow up, Wes Germer. And this is Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 3:11Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Drew. And Drew comes to us from western North Carolina. And back less than a year ago, Drew had bought this huge piece of property. It sits on top of a mountain. And he's up there with his RV. And he's had a few run-ins with these creatures. And in the beginning, Drew told me, he goes, "I didn't know what it was." Drew is also going to be sharing with us two paranormal events that kind of shaped his life. One of the events was back in 1989. And there was an incident in 2009. And I'll kind of let Drew go into it. Probably one of the creepiest things I've ever heard.

• 3:56Wes Germer?

  If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Drew to the show. Drew, thanks for coming on.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Sure, absolutely. How are you?

• 4:22Wes Germer?

  I'm doing well, man. Thank you so much for asking. And what I'd like to do is kind of start from the very beginning, going back to 1989. This weird event that happened to you. We'll just kind of go through the timeline. But if you would, take me back to 1989. What were you doing and what happened?

• 4:44Speaker 00

  So in 89, I was in high school and my dad took me on a fall trip to South Dakota. And we stayed just outside the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, which is a Lakota Sioux Reservation. And it was late fall. And he, my dad loves the Wild West. We were going on a trip that was going to take total of about five weeks, cover North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming. And we stayed at this motel and probably about 2:00 in the morning.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  And this motel was one of these where there's like eight units, kind of like all together. And at like 2:00 in the morning, there was a knock on the door. And the weather had changed. It was pretty cold the night before. Cold front came in. And there's this knock at the door. And of course, I jump up, my dad jumps up. And we looked at each other. So I'm in a double bed. He's in a double bed. We like both jump up, look at each other. And we look at the door and my dad was like, "Did somebody just knock at the door?" And I was like, "I think so. If you heard it, I heard it. I wasn't dreaming."

• 6:08Speaker 00

  And so, again, a knock at the door. So now we stand up and we meet together and we're standing at the door of this little motel. And there's a peephole. And my dad said, who'd be knocking on the door at two in the morning? And it's, it's cold out and it had, it had started snowing probably around 10 o'clock. So like four hours before real light. And again, a knock at the door. Well, my dad looks out the peephole and he looks at me with this confused look on his face. And I looked back at him and he goes, look, look, look. And I looked out the peephole and standing right outside the door was,

• 6:53Speaker 00

  it looked like a little old woman. She looked like she was in her like nineties. And she was all done up with a scarf around her neck and a jacket. And she had like a bandana wrapped around her head. And I looked and I was like, what in the world? And again, knock at the door. So my dad opens the door. And she's not standing there. And we looked across. Now this is outside the, the reservation. So you're kind of out in the middle of nowhere. And there's probably the parking lot, which is very small. And then there's a field that's probably

• 7:37Speaker 00

  three or 400 yards with a wooded tree line that starts probably 200 yards away. And she was gone. And he said, what in the world? And so then I stepped into the doorway and we could see her. She was standing a football field away. So in a matter of seconds from her knocking the last time him opening the door, she went from standing right there to being like a football field away. And I pointed into the, in front of the door where the snow had fallen. And I said, look, there's prints there. And he opened the door and there was these boot prints

• 8:19Speaker 00

  from, and it was a toe, then a space and a heel. So almost like a little boot. But the whole thing from toe to heel was probably only five inches, like these teeny tiny little prints. And the wild thing about it was there was prints, we could see them going through the parking lot into the field before the wood line.

• 8:43Speaker 00

  Where she was standing and we could only see her because of the light of the snow. There wasn't like lights out there, but we saw her standing there and. But she went from standing at the doorway to a football field away in seconds, which is just hard to wrap your mind around. And I'm a high school student. Uh, and so my dad goes, get dressed. And so we got dressed. And we had a flashlight and camping gear and stuff. He grabbed a flashlight and when we looked back out the door, she was still standing facing us, but she was at the tree line now, which is probably 200 yards or whatever away.

• 9:27Speaker 00

  And he flashed his light towards her. And of course the light didn't like hit her, hit her because we're so far away. And he goes, let's follow these tracks. We followed these tracks. My dad's looking at the ground, holding this flashlight. I'm looking at her walking straight ahead behind my dad. And she turned and walked into the tree line. And when she walked into the tree line, I was like, dad, dad. She just went into the woods and this is, she looked like she was in her nineties. She was this little tiny thing. And to be out in the middle of nowhere was just like mind baffling to me. And so we followed her prints all the way across the field into the woods.

• 10:12Speaker 00

  And we followed her prints. Oh gosh, probably between a quarter and a half mile through the woods. There was her, those little prints, which was weird to me because in fresh snow, it was almost like

• 10:30Speaker 00

  step by step, those perfect boot prints, the little tiny boot prints. We followed them quarter mile, half mile, and then they just stopped. And there was, we're now like quarter, half mile into the woods in the middle of nowhere, South Dakota, near the Indian Reservation, and they just stopped and we, we took his flashlight. We walked all directions like 50 yards. The prints never picked up. It's like they just vanished in this thin air. And that was, that was my first ever encounter. And to this day, uh, my dad's now

• 11:10Speaker 00

  83 years old. To this day, when I bring it up, he doesn't even want to talk about it because it spooked him so bad. Almost like it never happened, but it did happen.

• 11:22Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that is weird. But what you were seeing was an actual, I mean, what you were perceiving with your eyes anyway, was an actual human being. It wasn't like you were thinking ghost or anything like that.

• 11:34Speaker 00

  Yes, it looked exactly like a ninety some year old little frail woman. She was probably

• 11:45Speaker 00

  five feet or under. She was tiny and had a jacket. I can tell you, like, when I picture it in my mind, I can see exactly what she was wearing with the bandana wrapped around her head. It's not a bandana, but little old ladies wear something over their head that comes down, covers areas and ties under their chin. That's what she had on. And she had on pants and these teeny little boots. And I didn't realize how small she was or how small her boots were until we started tracking it. And these boot prints were literally smaller. I'm six foot. I have pretty big hands, but they were smaller than my hands from toe to heel. But she looked like

• 12:28Speaker 00

  a person, like she looked like an actual human being standing there.

• 12:33Wes Germer?

  You know, an older woman really is probably like the least threatening thing on the planet. But I'm trying to put myself in your shoes. If I look out there and she's a football field away in a matter of seconds. You know, I'm gonna be like, I think I'm out on this one. I mean, did you, at this point, did you think something weird was going on?

• 12:56Speaker 00

  I did, honestly, but my dad is very old school. Like I said, he's 83. He's very old school and everything has to make sense to him. He, he, he doesn't believe in anything paranormal, anything cryptid. He doesn't believe in anything. So if something weird happens, he has to get to the bottom of it and make it make sense. That's just the way he is. And because I was, I was scared.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  If I didn't have my dad, I wouldn't, there's no way I was gonna follow these tracks into the woods. But my dad was like, we're gonna follow him. And I was like, okay. And of course, you know, he raised five of us by himself. And so I was like, oh, he's the fearless leader. I'll be fine. But he thought somebody's playing a joke or something. And it didn't even me. All I know is that from that last knock to her being there, to him opening the door and being a football field away, to me that like blew my mind. I was like, this isn't right. Something's wrong. And it's wild because

• 14:12Speaker 00

  the very next day, I talked to some local natives there and asked them, have you ever seen anything like this? And they said, they said, well, we have skinwalkers all over in South Dakota, all over the reservation. And they said, they can take the form of anyone, an animal, a person. But they said, they thought, and they told me this, they thought that's what it was because how far she moved and how fast she moved. That was the first time in my life, anything weird had happened at all.

• 14:54Wes Germer?

  And before we move on to the incident in 2009, what do you think that this entity slash old woman wanted from you?

• 15:04Speaker 00

  Um, honestly, I have no idea because to me, my first instinct, of course, I was a high school student. My, my thought was the as fast and far back as she moved was follow me, which everything inside of me as a 17 year old was like, don't follow her. But my dad then from the older generations, like, who is that? We have to find out who that is that. But to me, she wanted us to follow her. Why? I don't know because we followed them the tracks through the woods and then they came to a stop. Just, I mean, just came to a stop.

• 15:51Speaker 00

  And so I don't know, I, I, I don't think about that one a lot because of the next event that happened to me in 2009, which I wanted to tell you about in Chicago.

• 16:04Wes Germer?

  Yeah, whatever that old woman was, uh, it sounds like a trap to me. But yeah, take me to, uh, 2009.

• 16:14Speaker 00

  In 2009, uh, what I do for work wise, um, I, I trap, I get to travel a lot and it's usually between six to eight months and a year in a location. And there was a, somebody from the travel channel, I believe it was a producer was trying to put together that a group of people in my field and they were going to paranormal shows started big in 2004 with ghost hunters. And then ghost adventures came out and stuff. And they were trying to take people from different genres of careers.

• 16:58Speaker 00

  And, you know, we're going to put you on a guest show. And so what they did was they got myself and three other guys to do kind of like a celebrity ghost hunting event, if you will. And this producer from travel channel started calling me in like 2008 and in 2009.

• 17:21Speaker 00

  I said, look, I said, I'm way too busy. I'm getting ready to move to the East Coast because I moved later in the fall of 2009 to the, excuse me, the West Coast. And I said, but if you have something locally that you want to come film, I'd do it. And I didn't, I hadn't had anything happen to me paranormal, bigfoot wise, anything since that event with the old lady in 89. So it's now 2009. And they said, okay, well, we're going to advertise and of course, uh, Discovery owns History Channel, Travel Channel, all that stuff.

• 18:02Speaker 00

  So they had all the paranormal shows. Well, they created this mailbox, this email box. And I guess because I didn't watch the shows much, they would say, hey, if you have something happen to you in your area, email us. And so the producer called me one day like seven times and finally I picked up and I was like, hey, I'm really busy, uh, doing a job right now. And he said, um, he said, we got an email and it's from somebody that lives in Chicago. And they had kind of like a vetting process where they would go through, you know, because people would call in and have crazy stories that didn't make sense.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  And so they would kind of cut through the BS and get to people that actually, they thought actually, uh, had things happen for real on a paranormal side. And he said, hey, there's somebody right near city in Chicago. Uh, she said that she has, she has a house that she lives in, in the historical district. That was built in the late 1800s and she said she has turned the attic into a bedroom and there's a demon that lives there.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  And I was like, what? I was like, that's wild. And I was like, but that sounds too wild. And he said, no, she said she has photo evidence and has put together all this proof uh that it does things to her and she's been to the doctor and has doctor's reports and photos and all this stuff. And I was like, what? I was like, that's insane sounding to me. And he said, hey, he said, just reach out to her. And he said, talk to her because she's in your city. He said, maybe go by her house if you can. And he said, if it's something that's the real deal, we'll come and film because of course

• 19:53Speaker 00

  it's expensive for them to come from uh Travel Channel headquarters in Baltimore or uh excuse me, Discovery headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. He's like, this how much it costs us a day. So make sure it's legit. So he gives me a landline and a cell number for this girl. And her name's Natalie Belcher. I'll never forget the name. She was a waitress at a, at a place in Chicago called Scores. It's kind of like a cross between a uh sports bar, high-end sports bar and a um gentleman's club, if you will. And he said, she's a waitress there. And so he gets, sends me, forwards me this emails and I have her numbers and I call her and she answers.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  And she said, yeah, she said, I live, uh, it's like a Park Avenue type street. She said, I live here. And she said, I started turning the attic into my bedroom like six, seven months ago. And she said, there's a demon that lives there and he does this to me and that to me. And I was just like, it sounded so far-fetched to me that I was very skeptical. And she said, well, you can come over and check out my house. And she said, and see for yourself. Well, of course, she lived like 25 minutes from me in the city. And I was like, of course I'll come over, but I'm not coming alone. I'll bring a couple of friends.

• 21:18Speaker 00

  And so got done talking to her, called the producer back. I said, hey, this sounds pretty legit. She said she has photos and all this stuff of bruising and bite marks and all this. I said, so I want to go check it out. And he said, well, we have a still photographer that wa- works on all the famous like ghost shows, if you will. And he said, we'll fly her out and send her, she'll go with you. And I said, that's fine. I said, I'm gonna bring a friend of mine too, just because I don't know what I'm getting into. You know, I'm in a city of four and a half million people and. So. Set a date and time in the afternoon, at like two in the afternoon.

• 22:00Speaker 00

  And so I drive down and it's me, the, a friend of mine, who's a guy, and the female still photographer that works for the Discovery Channel. And so we're driving down and you have to imagine this Park Avenue road. So. It's in the historic district and it runs like eight blocks and it goes one way with like a six foot grass median. And then one way coming back. And it's two lanes, but the right hand lane. None of these old houses from the eighteen hundreds have driveways or garages or anything. So you park on the street. And there's like one spot per house.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  And they kept this, uh, Park Avenue very beautiful. They would do the street lamps with lighting at Christmas time, but this median, there was flowers. So everyone that lived there. Had to take care of their home and their yard very meticulously because it's in the historic district in the city of Chicago. So we're driving down, we have the address, we drive down. And there's an empty spot. I pull over and I'm going down this one way. Pull over. And look over at the house and I'm like, well, this is it. And I'm nervous. Because I've never been involved in anything paranormal or any of that. And the, the story she told me was just like mind blowing to me.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  And nothing in my life had happened except that event in eighty nine for. So I was kind of skeptical at the time. And so we got out and the still photographers automatically just starting taking pictures because she went with us, but she works for Discovery. She's taking pictures of this house and I was like, this house is beautiful. And it was like a two-story kind of Victorian style house. Uh, square footage, not huge on the main floor or second floor. I would say nine hundred to a thousand square feet on each floor. But it had like a widow's walk at the top. It was a really cool house.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  She's taking photos, me and my buddy get out and we're like joking, kind of cracking jokes like, you know, this is probably going to be something ridiculous. And this front door opens and this girl walks out and she like waves to us and we're walking up from the street and she's like, hi, she's like, nice to meet you. And I was like, hi, I was like, how are you? I said, tell me your story, tell me what's going on. And this was all just in case this happened to be true. So Discovery could film an episode to put on one of their shows. So this is like all precursor stuff. And, and I told him, I said, if it's BS, I'll call BS.

• 24:51Speaker 00

  If I think she's full of it, then we'll leave and that's that. And so, but I did have an interest, obviously is why I went. And so we walked inside and the house is from front to back long. It's so it's, it's a rectangular shaped. The house is narrow, but the length of the house is pretty long. And so we walked inside and there's a couch on the left and the still photographer girl walked over and sat down and she said, hey, I'm going to sit here. Uh, and she said, I'll take some photos and stuff. And, uh, the girl said, she said, hey Drew, she said, come with me into the kitchen.

• 25:36Speaker 00

  She said, I want to show you something. So I told them both, I was like, hey, just chill out here. I'm going to go with her. Walked in through a, a swing door, almost like, uh, at a restaurant when you push just the door opens one way on a hinge. Walked in and there's this tiny little octagon kitchen, probably. Ten feet by twelve feet with windows on the sides. And there's a little tiny like three foot diameter kitchen table and she had two legal pads, two pens sitting on the table. And she sat down facing me across the table from me on this little table and her back was against the window.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  My back, to give you an idea, was against the door that we came in. And she said, she said, what I want you to do is she said, I'm going to turn around in my chair. And she said, I want you to think, close your eyes and think for a couple of minutes. If you lived in a past life, where you would live and I want you to draw it. And I was like, oh, I was like, okay, I'll play along. So she turned around and I closed my eyes and I was like, where would I live if I lived in the past? It was kind of like a joke to me. And I was like, you know, if I had lived in a past life, I would be a knight and I would live in a castle. And that's just what I came up with in my head.

• 27:03Speaker 00

  So I can't draw for anything. I'm terrible. So I draw a little castle. And most castles as we know it, as at least as I know it, have moats around them. And I was like, my castle wouldn't have a moat because that's a deterrent to war. And I wouldn't need that because I would be so brave. So my castle didn't have a moat. I drew like stick figure trees, like eight of them. And in the behind the castle, I drew like this little corral and I drew literally like five stick figure horses and then me like in the back left corner. And I said, okay, I'm done. And I turned the legal pad upside down and I put my elbows on it. She turned around and she said, look at me and I looked at her in her eyes.

• 27:48Speaker 00

  She looked at me for about sixty seconds like she was looking through me. And I swear she drew exactly what I drew. She drew a castle with no moat, stick figure trees, me in the corner, a corral with the horses, same number, like two a T. And that freaked me out immediately. This is like ten minutes within meeting her and being in this house. And I was just mind blown. And I actually made me nervous and I stood up. And I was like, hey, let's go out here because that's where my friend and the photographer was at. I was feeling super uncomfortable. And I was like, let's go out here. And she's like, okay. So we walked out.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  And I was just speechless. And I was like, so trying to think of something to say. I was like, so you have a demon that lives in your attic, huh? And she goes, yeah, she goes, but you can't go up there. And I was like, what do you mean I can't go up there? And she goes, there's like an invisible force field that will not let you go up there. And I was like, come on. I'm six foot, a hundred and ninety pounds. I've been an outdoorsman, athlete my whole life. Nothing's gonna stop me. That's invisible. And she goes, well, if you want to really go up there, she's like, I'll take you up there, but she said you won't be able to go into the room. And I said, let's go after you. And so standing outside of that kitchen door,

• 29:16Speaker 00

  there's a wall and a stairwell that goes up into the attic. But the stairwell, you can, if you're in the living room, you could see up and then it's a wall. So you could see me walk up and then I would slowly disappear. It's like two flight of steps in one. It's an old house. And so I said, you first. She walked in front of me. We started walking up the steps and in my head, I'm like, yeah, right. I'm just gonna walk right in here. Literally got two steps from the doorway. She walked through the threshold of the doorway in the attic. And I got two steps from it and it was like I walked into a Plexiglas. Like boom, I couldn't walk any further.

• 29:59Speaker 00

  And so I was like, what? And my brain is going a thousand miles an hour. I'm still freaked out by what she did in the kitchen by drawing what I saw and what I drew. And so there's these, the, this old house had like the five inch wide uh, trim around the doorways. Well, that's what was trimmed through this attic doorway. And I reached up and reached through doorway with my hands, I guess, would be turned out. And I jumped and pulled myself through the doorway. And it was warm outside. Chicago can be humid part of the year.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  And when I jumped through the doorway, I went, ah, like that, like, ah, like pulling myself. And when I like landed on my feet and went, ah, I could see my breath as if it were 20 degrees outside. And she turned around and she smiled at me and she said, isn't it cool up here? And when she did, her eyes went solid white, no color, no pupils, nothing. They were stone white. And the thing that freaked me out the most is that that very second, I had this massive,

• 31:11Speaker 00

  uh, how can I say she, this massive, like, I was attracted to her instantly and that scared me to death. And I turned around and took to go down those two flight of steps. I took like three steps, fell to the bottom of the steps and ran out of the door and on my way out said, guys, come on. And so we ended up in the front yard. I turned around and she was standing in the doorway and she said, is everything okay? And she was smiling. And I was terrified after what she did in the kitchen. After that whole event going into the attic, I was completely just scared out of my mind. So I said, this is too much.

• 31:56Speaker 00

  And I said, we're gonna leave, but we'll be in touch. And we hopped in, of course, they didn't know what happened. They didn't know what happened in the kitchen. They didn't know what happened upstairs. And so I said, hey, I said, this is too much. I don't want any part of this. And so we drove back to my place in Chicago. And I called that producer and I said, hey, I don't know what the hell's going on at that girl's house. But I said, it's out of my league. Like this is too much. And so I quick like tried to explain what happened and uh,

• 32:34Speaker 00

  He said, oh, my gosh, he said, well, you know, we have X amount of cast members that are into demonology and this and that. And they said, we'll get them in touch with you. And I was like, I'm not going back to that house. I was like, I don't know what's going on, but it scared me to death and I'm not afraid of anything. And that scared me to death. And so, uh, the still photographer, she flew back. Uh, and my buddy, he stayed over at my place for a couple of days. I told him what happened. We tried to come up with something that made sense. We couldn't come up with anything that made sense. And about a week and a half goes by.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  And I don't hear anything and it's eating at me and eating at me. And I'm like, what is, what was that? What is that? What's going on? And so, uh, I called

• 33:35Speaker 00

  the girl and I was like, I have to go back there. I was being, it was weird. I was like being drawn back. There's something, there were so many questions with what happened. I was like, I have to go back there. I have to go back to that house. So I pulled up, uh, the email that had her landline and her cell number. I called the cell. I'm sorry, this number's not in service at this time. I called the landline. I'm sorry, this number's not in service at this time. And I was like, what in the world? So I told my buddy that went with me the first time. His name's Corey. I said, hey, I said, let's go back to her house. He's like, oh, he's like, you don't want to show up at somebody's house.

• 34:18Speaker 00

  And I said, look, it's been like 10 or 12 days, I think, at this point. And I said, I have to know what's going on. I haven't heard anything from the producer, Travel Channel. None of the people he said would get in touch with me did. I was like, I need to know what's going on. So I said, let's just go by her house. And he's like, all right, I'll go with you. So it's like a Monday afternoon at like two in the afternoon. We hop in my car, we take off driving. Head down, turn right on Park Avenue, start driving down. Same spots open and we pull over there. We pull over, I put my car in park and there's a guy.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  Like a house down from hers who's outside and he's like messing. Trimming flowers and like everybody's home had beautiful flowers. It was that whole street was just amazing. And I noticed him as I'm pulling in and I pull in, put it in park. And I looked over to my right. Cause I'm the curbs on my right. I look over to the right across my friend out the window and my. Brain skipped a beat. And I was like, what? And I like looked like three times real quick. And Corey said. What's wrong? And he was looking at me and I said, look, and he looked over and he looked back at me and his jaw was on the floor.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  And I, there was where the house was. Was, and these houses are like twenty feet apart. They're very eighteen eighties shoved close together. You know, front to back depth wise, longer than they are wide. Where the house was, was like this pebble lot. With the little pea gravel like the size of like. Twenty percent the size of a marble. And this guy that's working on his flowers, of course, they're very protective of their neighborhood. And he notices us and he comes walking over. And I roll my window down and he goes, can I help you? And I was like, yeah, I was like, where's Miss Belcher's house?

• 36:31Speaker 00

  And he goes, what? I said, where's Miss Belcher's house? This house right here. And I said, I was here like less than two weeks ago. I said, where's her house? And he kind of laughed at me and he's standing outside my window. I'm sitting in the car and my friend's jaw is still on the floor. And he goes, he goes, the city of Chicago said that house was quote, and he did the finger quotes. He said, that house was quote haunted. He said, so they tore it down four years ago. And I said, no, I was in that house two weeks ago. And he said, that's impossible. He said, that house was torn down four years ago. I've lived here 20 years. And my brain just spun.

• 37:16Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's really, really weird because even the discovery lady was there with you guys.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  Yep, she was there and to this day I have pictures of myself because she was taking photos. She took pictures of me outside of the house.

• 37:32Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I would love to see those pictures. That's really bizarre. What do you make of that?

• 37:38Speaker 00

  I it's very bizarre. I don't know. Uh, but I after the guy walked away and knew we weren't there to do any harm to the neighborhood or houses. We went home back to my place. My friend to this day still has anxiety about that whole incident because he was with us too. And I, what I did was I called that producer from the travel channel and he put me in touch with a demonologist from Connecticut. His name's John Zaffis. And I told him the story and the only thing he said, which made my head spin even more was he told me, he said, he said, how do you know you were ever even there? And I was like, huh?

• 38:24Speaker 00

  And it's, it's what I make of it is we were there for a reason. There was three of us that were there. I have my picture with that house. Like supposedly four years after it was torn down. It's like we were called there, drawn there for some reason, but I still don't understand the purpose because what she did to me, this is what John told me. He told me that doing the drawings of a past life was, he thought a way of a demon trying to get inside my head. Is what he told me and I was like gee thanks because I'm a pretty normal person and I was like

• 39:07Speaker 00

  thanks but um he said that there's some event that happened in my life that has caused that to happen if you will and caused me to be drawn to that location which is weird because I moved out of Chicago literally that fall uh and moved to the west coast moved to uh Scottsdale Arizona and then to Vegas in two thousand eleven but

• 39:34Speaker 00

  I don't know what the significance was because I didn't know that girl I didn't know anyone on that street or anything and here's what's interesting Wes is that

• 39:47Speaker 00

  I was born and raised in Chicago I know a lot of people and so I went to a friend of mine that I graduated high school with who's a Chicago as a police uh officer in Chicago and I said hey I said if I give you these phone numbers in this name can you like run it in a system I don't want you to like lose your job but see if like where this person lives or when they lived at a certain address and so he did he came back to me

• 40:16Speaker 00

  and he told me that he couldn't find that person in existence at all that first and last name those phone numbers he couldn't find anything and so I went to scores because originally in her email she had said that she was a waitress at scores so I went to the scores in Chicago and talked to the general manager and without freaking him out told him kind of what happened and so he looked up past employees at scores there was never a girl at scores under that name ever

• 40:53Wes Germer?

  Do you still have uh the pictures of yourself inside the home?

• 40:57Speaker 00

  Yep, yep, yep I have them on an external hard drive.

• 41:02Wes Germer?

  Can you send them to me? I would love to see them.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Sure, sure. Yeah, I was using a uh you know this is oh nine I had Windows computer and stuff of course I use Mac and everything now with technology but I still have it on external hard drive. It's the wildest thing that's ever happened in my life and the I haven't shared that story with many people, but my few friends that I have, they're just like, wow. And the Corey, the guy that was with us, and Jill, who was the still photographer for Discovery, they don't even want to talk about it. Because I'm not close with them. I moved to the West Coast, 2,000 miles away. But I, when I have talked to him, I brought him up, they don't even want to talk about it because it freaked him out so much.

• 41:51Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I don't even know what to say or what to ask.

• 41:57Wes Germer?

  What do you think initialized this whole thing?

• 42:01Speaker 00

  I don't know if it was the connection with some of the people I've lost in my life. Close friends, lost my daughter. I don't know if there's any sort of connection, but no one, none of them lived in that part of the city or anything like, I don't know. I don't know. It, to me, it felt completely random, you know? And it was terrifying. Like, I, you know, it's time, it's been what, 15 years ago, 16 years ago almost now? I don't think about it often, but it's always in the back of my head. And I tried not to overthink.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  Uh, cause John, the Zaphus, the demonologist, who at the time had two, was on two paranormal shows, he told me, he said, don't overthink it because you'll drive yourself crazy and you'll think about it the rest of your life. So I've tried not to overthink it, but it, it was terrifying. I mean, everything that happened in that short 30 minute timeframe and then going back there and them telling me the house had been torn down four years ago, but I know for a fact that I was there two weeks before. I, I try not to think too much into it, you know? But there had to be something that drew me to that house.

• 43:21Speaker 00

  Like there has to be an answer. Just I can't tell you what it is. I don't know what it is.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  So I've kind of just tried to block it out, if that makes sense.

• 43:34Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it does make sense. And I think we do that to kind of protect ourselves and not get too, you know, I could see something like this driving someone crazy. It's a strange account. It'll definitely stay with me. I really appreciate you sharing it. And it just makes me wonder why it happened to you. I know before we came on the air, you were telling me about your daughter and how she passed away and there were, God rest her soul. And there was a lot of death going on in your life with family members and friends during this time, but I don't know what, why it would cause something like this. Yeah, very, it's going to stay with me for a while. If you would,

• 44:17Wes Germer?

  let's go to 2024, because you bought this piece of property and it's kind of on top of a mountain. If you would kind of start from the beginning, what's going on there?

• 44:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, 2024, it was April, I believe it was the fourth, fourth or fifth.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  Was, so last year I came from Las Vegas, of course, that's where my office is, came to Western North Carolina to do a job. And I didn't know anything about Western North Carolina. Knew it was gorgeous mountains. I knew the Cherokee Indian Reservation was close by and actually got, came to do a job at Harris Cherokee Casino in Cherokee.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  And so I was like, well, I've spent my whole life, my dad had us out hunting gun safety courses at 14 or 15, had us hunting. Deer, pheasants, uh, everything. And so I was like, this is great. I've been in Vegas. I've been in Utah, all over doing, doing uh, my work. But I'm gonna get back to nature. So I found a small piece of property. It's two point seven acres. And it's about a quarter mile off the Qualla Boundary is what it's called, but it's the Eastern Band of Cherokee uh, Indians Reservation. Their whole reservation is called the Qualla Boundary. It's just off of it, literally a stone's throw.

• 46:03Speaker 00

  And it was atop this mountain, uh, and I was like, this is perfect. It's cheap. And when I travel to do jobs, it's either Airbnb for kind of long term because the jobs are six to eight, twelve months. Uh, but what I did was, uh, in twenty twenty-two, I bought a fifty-foot RV and I was like, I can drive to these, take my dog. My dog's getting older. I can take my dog with me. And so brought my RV, uh, bought the property, pretty much sight unseen pictures, a couple of videos, uh, that one of the guys sent me.

• 46:42Speaker 00

  And so came here, uh, got here January eighth of twenty-four and it was cold. It snowed and I love to hike. I love the outdoors and always carry. I have a CCW with me. It's good in twenty-two states out in Nevada. Uh, but North Carolina is one of them. Always carry with me. I know the dangers that are in the woods. I've been everywhere from glacier. I've had football field encounters, if you will, with grizzlies. I had one in Yellowstone. So I'm aware of, of wildlife and what's out there and spending a lot of time in the, in the woods as much as possible. I know the animals that are out there and this is a new part of the world for me. So I came here.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  I did what I call backcountry hiking where there is no trail. You just take off and go and I'll go in ten, twelve miles, spend a few days and then hike back out. Uh, and then so April of twenty-four, uh, I am.

• 47:47Speaker 00

  Here just off the native reservation here in Cherokee, which is where I'm at currently. And it's probably about, I don't know, it's probably six forty-five, seven o'clock at night, sun's going down. And I'm making my own trail through the woods and I always walk fifty, sixty yards, stop, listen, pay attention to my surroundings. And of course, I'd had a few run-ins with grizzlies, nothing up close, like I said, football field or more away.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  But I knew there's black bears here. I knew there's, uh, there's stories of jaguars here. And of course, there's coyotes and rattlesnakes and everything else. So I like stop. And I hear something. Stop. And it like step, step. When I stopped, I heard like two steps and a stop. I was like, what in the world is that? And I'd look around, there's nothing around me. And I have a half a million candle watt power flashlight with me with my backpack full of tons of other stuff. And I sit down, I literally sit down up against a tree and I just listen.

• 49:05Speaker 00

  Cause spending as much time as I have in my lifetime in the woods, you become accustomed to listening is like your best.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  Seeing is tough, especially when it's getting dark. So your ears are always the best thing. And so I'm listening and I don't hear anything. It's dead silent. I hear birds and I, I hear a little in the leaves and I look over and there's squirrels running, saw a rabbit. And so I probably waited a half hour and then I got up and as I started to walk, it's starting to get dark. And I was like, well, I'm gonna start making my way to make a camp for the night. And I step out on this and I'll send you pictures of this because I have it too. I step out on what looked like it used to be a hiking trail fifty years ago.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  It's like grown over and it's not a game trail. It's a hiking trail, but it's hasn't been used in probably fifty years. And it's all covered up and stuff. And so I get out and I start walking on it. Well, as I'm walking this trail, I pull my flashlight out and I turn my flashlight on because it's getting closer to being dark. And the canopy of the woods of the Smoky Mountains gets extremely dark. Like there's, if you're in the woods, you can't even see the sky because the coverage is so insane. And so I'm walking with my flashlight, not thinking of it. I'm not worried about anything. I have my firearm with me. I'm not worried about anything.

• 50:42Speaker 00

  And as I'm walking, I hear something walking with me. And so I stopped and when I stopped, it stopped. I walked like three steps forward. It walked three steps forward and it was off to my right, probably. It sounded like it was maybe fifteen feet away. So when I stopped the second time, I hit my flashlight to the right and I can probably see sixty, seventy feet into the woods. Because it's spring, so it's not, the trees aren't fully bloomed and it's like not super uh, full of leaves, so I can see deep into the woods and there's nothing there. And so I take five more steps. It takes five steps with me.

• 51:25Speaker 00

  And I was like, let me see, I'm going to back up. So I backed up three steps. It backed up with me while I'm holding the flashlight into the woods. I can hear it, which sounds fifteen, twenty feet away at the most, but there's nothing there. And I was like, starting to get creeped out. Then all of a sudden I noticed I can't hear any birds. It, the, it's like the woods went dead silent. And I started getting really creeped out and I'm not afraid of much. I've been through a lot in my life. I've come across some pretty big predatory animals throughout my travels. This really freaked me out, like the hair on my neck stood up. And so out of nowhere.

• 52:10Speaker 00

  Whatever it was started laughing at me and it wasn't a kid's laugh. It wasn't an adult laugh. It sounded like a frickin hyena laughing at me, but it was 15 feet from me. And so I'm trying to get my phone out because I want to record this. And I'm like shaking, trying to get my iPhone out of my pocket. And I'm like, I have to record this. And so I start taking, walking forward and it starts walking with me and it's laughing. And it's not a human laugh.

• 52:49Speaker 00

  It's like, like a hyena and it sounded like, and excuse me, this sounds ridiculous, but it was like a

• 52:59Speaker 00

  And I was like, what in the world? And so being outdoors my whole life, I know no matter what you come across, you never run from anything. Whether it's a wolf, a coyote, a bear, you never run. So I was in my head, I was telling myself, Drew, don't run, don't run as scared as you are, do not run. And I couldn't, there was nothing for me to pull my firearm out because there was nothing there. I couldn't see anything and I had this huge light beam. And so I basically hiked another probably 500 yards up on top of the crest of this little mountain.

• 53:42Speaker 00

  And it had, it stopped probably a hundred yards before I got to the top. And I was literally like scanning the woods with my flashlight where this walking and this laughter was coming from backing up

• 53:56Speaker 00

  on this old trail that hadn't been used in forever.

• 54:03Speaker 00

  I set up camp. I didn't sleep a wink that night because I was just terrified and nothing else happened. But that was my first encounter here across from the Smoky Mountains outside of Cherokee. That was like April 4th or April 6th of 24 of last year. So being here doing the work that I do, I, I, uh, so to give you an idea, if you don't know this area and you can look it up if you, if you want to, but people that are listening, if they know this area at all. So from Cherokee to Gatlinburg as the eagle, as the crow flies, it's probably 28 miles, but it takes like an hour because you have to go over what's called the gap.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  And you go up thousands of feet up these winding roads to the top of the Smoky Mountains. And you can, there's stop points where you can see for hundreds of miles. And then it goes back down. There's, there's park rangers, national park rangers that patrol that area. Because if weather's bad or winds high, they close it down. And a lot of semis will try to cut through the gap to save themselves going around and save like three hours. So there's always park rangers posted up there. And after that happened to me last April, in May, I took a day and drove up there. And you'll see the park rangers, uh, the entrance to the Blue Ridge Parkway is right there and stuff.

• 55:31Speaker 00

  At the entrance, uh, to the Smoky National Park, which starts the road to the gap. And I drove up there one day and I saw two of the park rangers and I stopped and asked them, I said, hey, listen. I said, this is going to sound really bizarre, but I said, I have this audio. I was like backcountry hiking. I have this audio of something laughing at me. Can you please tell me if you've ever heard this, if it's an animal I don't know? Uh, because I have heard stories, uh, when I was in Colorado, that there's some birds that sound like that, or a fox can sound like that. And these guys live here and they work. That's the only thing they work is the Smoky, uh, the Gap Pass.

• 56:15Speaker 00

  And I played it for them and they said, that is creepy. We'd never heard anything like that and we have no idea. What kind of animal or person or whatever that is, they said, we've never heard that before. And they told me, two of them told me that was creepy. So it's not a local animal. That like everyone knows. I know that for a fact because those were the guys to ask.

• 56:40Wes Germer?

  Yeah, if you would, Drew, tell me about the next incident that happened. Cause I know that you went back up and did you go back up for curiosity? Not that I don't blame you.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  Yes, of course, because I couldn't see anything. I didn't get harmed. I just got. You the you know what scared out of me, but I didn't get hurt. And it left me with a million questions. And so I went back up there. Uh, found that old hiking trail. And that's when I actually saw something. So that was. I went up there three or four times last fall, then we had a really harsh winter here. Eight, nine, 10 inches of snow, single digit degrees, black ice, all that. So about five weeks ago. Is when I went back again. And I actually.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  It's so I'm, if you can imagine, so I'm, I walk up through the woods. And I know where the trail's at. The trail kind of runs. If you can imagine a small mountain, small mountain, meaning 2000 feet from bottom to top. And there's a circular like racetrack trail. About three quarters of the way up that goes around. The mountain itself, that's that old hiking trail. So I went through the woods. Up to it, caught the trail, started walking around. And got probably two football fields from where I had that first encounter a year ago.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  And I heard the laughing. I didn't hear any walking. I heard the laughing and when I looked to the right and of course, it was by the time I got up there, it was dark, but I had all the necessities with me. And I looked to the right and be I looked to the right and before I could, I had my flashlight on facing straight ahead. Before and when I looked to the right before I could turn the flashlight over, I saw two extremely bright red eyes. The only thing I can compare it to is they were electric. Like, like Christmas light, like electric glowing red eyes. I mean, super bright.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  And when I looked and then I hit it with my flashlight, that's when I saw it looked like. This is gonna sound so stupid, but it looked like.

• 59:17Speaker 00

  I could see the outline and it almost looked like a koala bear.

• 59:25Speaker 00

  It was maybe the, the, the red eyes were probably only three feet off the ground. And when I shined it, I couldn't see at first any. Like definition, all I saw was this solid black mass that was shaped like a koala bear. Like short and stout with these red eyes. And then. I started walking towards it. And I probably walked 10 feet towards it and as I'm starting to be able to see hair and skin. I thought it was like this little koala bear thing and I thought for a second in my mind at the time I was like.

• 1:00:09Speaker 00

  Maybe it's a black bear or something. And I've come across probably 15 or 16 black bears hiking throughout here during the daytime. And they will sometimes sit and like just look at you, but the slightest noise will scare them off. They're very. They're very timid here. And when I started walking towards it and start actually seeing hair and stuff, it stood straight up. And now the eyes were. Four feet above me.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  And I was on the same plane level as it like it wasn't up above me. It was like on the same as me. But when it stood up, I'm six foot tall, hundred and ninety pounds. It stood up and its eyes were like now it's looking down at me. And that's when I kept, why I don't know, but I kept walking towards it with my flashlight. Cause I had this half million candle watt power flashlight. And then I saw arms, legs, hands, shoulders, its face. And the craziest thing was that my total time walking towards it and of course, my brain's trying to process what I'm seeing and what I'm looking at.

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  Was maybe six or seven seconds. And it, it, it like growled, barked at me. It went like that. And I like picked up my pace and was walking faster towards it. And the faster I walked towards it, it, it's like Wes, it's like it backed up into the trees. But wasn't like looking like, oh, I'm gonna look where I'm standing. It was staring at me, looking down at me. And, but it backed up at a pace that a person would have tripped over a log

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  or got their boots caught in leaves like it backed up and literally I stopped for maybe three seconds and it never turned around, never turned its head. It backed into the darkness and just vanished.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  It just vanished into the darkness and I started to jog towards it and there was nothing there. There was nothing there. It was gone.

• 1:02:42Wes Germer?

  And at your closest, how close were you to this thing?

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  Oh gosh. Uh, at the closest twenty feet?

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  Like it was extremely close to me, extremely close to me.

• 1:03:00Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and those glowing red eyes, man, that's too close. Um, as you got closer, were you able to make out any sort of details?

• 1:03:09Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. When, not at first, but when I started picking up the pace towards it and could see hair, it was black, black hair and it's, it's skin color, which the only skin color, the skin color was like a gray and it was on its hands and its chest and its face. That's all, everything else was black and it looked like, it looked like, um,

• 1:03:42Speaker 00

  I've seen people in, on videos in TV, on TV, and people in ghillie suits looked like a, ghillie suits are too neat. This was like a mess. It was like,

• 1:03:58Speaker 00

  imagine, so you, you know Cookie Monster, right? Cookie Monster, it's, it's blue hair is all frayed and every, that's what it was, but it was jet black. Except I could see the hands on it or the gray skin on the palms of its hands, its chest and its face. And it was like growl barking at me. It, it was, but I felt it. I could feel it in my feet. I could feel it in my chest. Like it wasn't like, if a dog barks at you, I've run into coyotes, I ran into coyotes at Yellowstone and they were yipping at me. Like nothing like that. This, when it woof at me, it was, I felt it like in the earth.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  And I told one of my closest friends about it and he said, I can't believe you went towards it, but. After the encounter I had a year ago, I wanted to know, I wanted to see what it was. And so that's why I kept going forward. And like I said, I've been through a lot in life, so I'm not really afraid of a lot. But I just kept going forward. And as I did, it moved backwards, almost like it levitated. It didn't turn around and look where it was going. It was looking down at me and just backed into the darkness. It's hard to explain. It's like it floated into the darkness. But it was definitely a thousand percent something physical.

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Because of the eyes and the hair, like I was 20 feet from it with a half a million candle wa- power flashlight. But what I saw of it and of its skin and of its face and of its teeth, when it was like growl barking at me, I could vaguely see its mouth. It, I wasn't, it's weird, I wasn't afraid. I mean, looking back, I'm like, damn, that was stupid. But I wasn't afraid in the moment.

• 1:06:03Wes Germer?

  When you were looking at this thing, what stood out to you the most? Were you able to get any details of the face? Obviously beyond the glowing red eyes, which does get reported.

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  Um, number one, the height was like, holy smokes, that's huge. The width of the shoulders were very wide. I would say probably three feet, three and a half feet across. Uh, the face had a very old look to it. Kind of like, um, kind of like a baboon. You know, baboons have a like wrinkled look to their skin. If the gray skin on its face, it looked, it looked old. It was very wrinkly, looked old. Um, those two, like the eyes, the skin, the face and its teeth.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  Uh, didn't have canines. It had teeth like a person. But it looked, it didn't look like a person and it didn't look like an ape. It looked like an animal. And I, that's weird to say even out loud, but it was like a mix of, of a few things. It didn't, I, I never thought that's a person. I never thought that's an ape. It was, I was just like, what is that? It's like a cross between everything. The, the, when it growled bark at me and like, I felt it in my feet. That freaked me out, but I was like, no, this is like,

• 1:07:38Speaker 00

  your opportunity to find out what it is. And outside of its body, the size, the width of the shoulders, the thing that freaked me out. Probably more than anything, even the eyes, cause it stared me, it stared through me. It didn't, wasn't like looking around or it like, I locked eyes with the red eyes. It never took its eyes off me. It was like looking through me. But the thing that freaked me out the most was that it moved backwards into the woods. With no sound, no hesitation and a very fluid motion. And that, that freaked me out. Of course, thinking about it the next day and the days after, that freaked me out more than anything is how it moved.

• 1:08:22Speaker 00

  In pitch black, in the middle of the woods, how it moved back into the woods without making a sound.

• 1:08:30Wes Germer?

  And I'm looking at the pictures you sent me and it does look like a remote area. Looks like a beautiful area and all of this is basically happening in your front yard. I know you're going out there hiking. Have you continued to hike?

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  No. So after that, that was five weeks ago. After that, of course, the adventurer in me wants to go back, but that was enough for me because the size of the thing, the creature itself, the size was just like, I wouldn't have a chance. I don't even know why I walked towards it other than having so many things happen to me, like with the house and the girl and not ever having answers. I was like, I'm gonna get answers. I don't know why I did that, but I didn't go back, although I wanted to. And so the property that I have, which is not too far as the crow flies from that encounter.

• 1:09:28Speaker 00

  Uh, I was, a week later, I was here on this property. And I was walking my dog at night, and because there are black bears, coyotes and stuff like that. And black bears are coming out of hibernation, then they, they're coming out with cubs and they're hungry and can be aggressive right now. Uh, I carry my firearm, firearm and my flashlight while I take my dog and I'm walking down the property. And I'm looking down and I look up with my flashlight and when I put my flashlight up, this is about four weeks ago. I see something about my height and size.

• 1:10:08Speaker 00

  But solid black, no features, run across my flashlight from right to left. In a matter of a, a second. And my dog stopped and he looked up. And he stopped dead in his tracks and I was like, I looked over to the left. And where it went right to left was the woods are on the right and to the left is. A part of my property that's graded and open, so there's like no trees right there. It's like an acre of graded openness. But there was nothing there and I was like, what in the world? So I thought maybe I just saw a reflection or something off of a tree. Uh, because there's certain trees up here.

• 1:10:50Speaker 00

  Where I'm at just off the, the koala boundary that are tagged and they have these little silver tags with numbers on them. And I'm not sure forestry wise, why they have that, but they're there and I was told not to remove them. Sometimes my flashlight will hit them and they'll reflect the light. So I thought maybe I hit one of those or something. That was four weeks ago and so I'm, I walk him down, he goes to the bathroom, walking back up to my RV. And as we're walking back up my property. I look up. And I see a shadow cast across my RV that looks like a person. Like an actual person, head, shoulders, arms, legs.

• 1:11:35Speaker 00

  And, but it's sitting still and I was like. What in the world? So I was probably 50 yards from my RV, so I picked up the pace. Turned my flashlight on and I literally watched the shadow. Cast walked down the side of my RV.

• 1:11:54Speaker 00

  In my RV, from the back of my RV to the woods is about twenty feet. And it went into the woods and I stopped. And I put him in my RV. Came outside and I just sat and listened. And I didn't hear any crunching, any walking, nothing. And so. That was the end of that night. And then a week later, which is about three weeks ago. I take him out for a walk, put him in the RV. And I'm building a little fire. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna enjoy. Uh, the weather got nice like three weeks ago down here. It's been like bipolar. It'd be like. Twenty-five at night and then sixty-five during the day.

• 1:12:37Speaker 00

  It was a beautiful night. It was only supposed to get down into the forties. I was like, I'll build a little fire. So I build a fire. I'm sitting there. And I hear what sounds like kids, like little four or five-year-old kids talking. And they sound like they're talking two feet behind me. And I flew out of my chair. And spun around. And I was like. Hello, hello? And there is. It just went silent. And so I started walking down the, the. Open part of my property next to the woods.

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  And as I'm walking, I could hear these little, it sounded like little kids talking. And I was like, what in the world is going on? And this is now like three weeks in a row. And so. I stopped. Listen to see if I could make out any words or anything, but it just sounded like. Little kids talking, but it was like mumbled like this. And I was like, what in the world? So I went back up, put my fire out, went to sleep. Took him out every day as I always do. Nothing happened. Then two weeks ago. I come home from work, take him out. He's sitting outside and I've got him on a um, I've got like a twenty foot

• 1:13:55Speaker 00

  leash that I've got tied around a big tree and so he can go out and sniff and play in leaves and stuff. And so, he's doing that. And I swear, I hear what sounds like a baby crying. And I was like, what in the world? And so, I go over, grab him, unhook him, I put him in the RV. And I had music playing uh, inside and outside my RV. I shut the music off and I'm just standing there. And it sounds like like a baby crying and I was like, it's maybe coyotes or some, a fox or something, because I've heard almost every animal in nature and there's some crazy sounds that they could make.

• 1:14:39Speaker 00

  And I was like, oh, maybe it's that. Well, I sent you a picture Wes, from the property that I'm at right now talking to you. And across the way as the crows fly, it's, it's, the crows fly, it's probably half a mile across to the next mountain. Well, after this baby sound I heard stopped, about ten minutes later, I hear a roar from the mountain I sent you a picture of, which is half mile away. But I'm up high elevation, so it looks a lot closer. I hear a roar that almost sounded like the Ohio howl style. But it was deeper and it was louder and it was longer.

• 1:15:25Speaker 00

  And it was frickin loud. And the thing about it is, it probably lasted, I recorded it on audio and I think it was which you know, time second wise is a lot longer than we think. I think it was like twenty one seconds, this roar. But what really freaked me out was it stopped and I was like, standing there going, that's cool, I wonder if it's gonna do it again, because obviously I knew it was so far away. Well, out of nowhere, I'm about two football fields from the top of the mountain that I'm on. It's just straight woods, up like two football fields. Out of nowhere,

• 1:16:11Speaker 00

  like an answering roar comes from directly behind me.

• 1:16:16Speaker 00

  Back at that one. And it like shook me. It shook me so bad, I like ran inside my RV and locked my door. And but it continued. They went back and forth from like my mountain top. And that mountain top is on the Cherokee Reservation. I sent you a picture of it. It went, they, it was like they're communicating back and forth. Roar, like it was so deep, so loud, back and forth. That inside my RV. And I'm holding my dog because I'm like, don't bark. Because I felt that was the first time I felt even being close to that creature that was backing into the woods.

• 1:16:58Speaker 00

  These roars with one sounding like it was on top of my mountain answering back. I felt scared. I felt like threatened, so I picked up my dog and I was like, oh, please don't make any noise. Don't bark. And I could hear them with my RV door shut and locked. I could hear them back and forth. And I could feel it in my RV and that scared the crap out of me. And that was just two weeks ago. And so that's what I'm dealing with now. And now I have something happening like every week.

• 1:17:31Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it sounds like it's ramping up. And you'll often see that with their behavior. Uh, it's my opinion, of course, but a lot of times when that curiosity takes over, man, you start going into their area. And you, you know, it's, and I get the curiosity part, but then they start coming in your area and it starts to get a little uncomfortable and uh, there's somewhat of a frustration that builds up because you know, you don't know what they're going to do. You don't know, uh, it's the unknown, I guess. And uh, I've had many reports of eyewitnesses saying they've heard uh, children laughing, children playing.

• 1:18:14Wes Germer?

  Strange vocals that you wouldn't necessarily hear in the forest in the middle of nowhere. Uh, it's not like there's a park nearby where there would be kids playing. But that does get reported and the glowing eyes that gets reported more than more than I think most people realize. I've heard it so many times. Our eyes glowing like Christmas lights. I would be very, very careful in that area. Definitely keep an eye on your dog and I would try to avoid confrontation at all costs because you're not going to win and you're alone. You're up there. It's just you and your dog and just be careful, man. You know, I ask everyone on the

• 1:18:59Wes Germer?

  show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take?

• 1:19:04Speaker 00

  You know, I figured you were going to ask me that. I don't honestly, I don't know. I think if I had to give an answer, it is there definitely. I don't believe that and I've heard lots of people talk about different things, listening to your show and other encounters. Me personally, everything I've come across, there's nothing that tells me that it's some human animal hybrid. I believe that it's gotta be. I think that it's definitely part animal,

• 1:19:46Speaker 00

  but I feel like there's something paranormal to it because just of the, the way it moved that when it moved backwards into the darkness of the woods with dead silence, there wasn't footsteps. There wasn't breaking of branches. There wasn't smells there. It just moved away from me with such fluidity into the darkness. I feel like there's a paranormal aspect to it. That's not of this earth, not of the, what we live in, but there's definitely an animal part to it. I feel like because of the skin color, the way it looked, the hair. And I also sent you some pictures of

• 1:20:30Speaker 00

  some footprints because that one that with the red eyes that moved backwards, I went back there the very, like as soon as it got daylight out, I went back up there and there was footprints and I took pictures of them by themselves and with my size 11s next to it. So I feel like it's animal paranormal, but human, not at all. I don't, that's just my opinion. I don't think it's a animal, human hybrid, or a lost link of, of people. It's, I believe that it's animal and paranormal is what I think. That's my personal opinion.

• 1:21:10Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you may not be too far off, man. Let's hope for both of our stakes, you're completely wrong. Uh, you know, keep me up to date. It, it sounds like, uh, this definitely isn't going to, going to be the end of it. And, um, send me the audio. I'll see if I can't clean it up and amplify it for you. Uh, but definitely, I mean, you have my cell phone. Let me know if anything else happens, will you?

• 1:21:37Speaker 00

  Absolutely. For sure. I'm sure it will. It's been every week for the last five weeks. So I'm sure that's not the end of it.

• 1:21:47Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. I really appreciate you coming on, Drew. Really enjoyed chatting with you, man. Be safe and, uh, stay in touch.

• 1:21:57Speaker 00

  Absolutely. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you, by the way, having a, giving people a platform to tell their experiences and their stories because, uh,

• 1:22:07Speaker 00

  you know, I, I started listening to your stuff a few years ago, post COVID and hadn't, other than the 2009 incident with the girl in the house, hadn't had anything too crazy in the woods, but this is like opened my eyes to a whole new, whole new side of the world I didn't know existed. And I appreciate you for having a place for people to tell their stories and where people can talk about it and not, I haven't told, I've told a handful of my closest friends because I don't want people to think I'm crazy.

• 1:22:44Wes Germer?

  Thanks for the kind words, man. I really appreciate it. And thank you again for coming on. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you had a chance to check out sasquatchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.