SC EP:1133 I felt like I was trapped

Mac has agreed to come on the show. He had a very recent encounter in PA. There is a lot more to this encounter but Mac describes this area where he hunts and multiple strange events took place that led up to his sighting. Mac said "I only saw one but I am sure there was two of them. Mac writes "I was out hunting squirrel and raccoon, and I experienced a wood knock, the creature following me, seeing it move through my spotlight, and then catching it's face looking at me from behind a tree. It was at least seven feet tall, had a gray haired face with sunken in eyes, big brow ridge, and blocky chin. The hair was thin around the face but covered the mouth and cheek area as if it was an old man's beard. It did not have a cone shaped head, more round like a person. I saw it's face, a little bit of it's neck, and a bit of its dark shoulders before it pulled away quickly behind the tree. As I moved away it followed me, to which I then decided to push through thorns to get back into the creek and across it to get back to the road."

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 1:54Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me.

• 2:15Speaker 00

  They don't make people that, that big.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw was a bear.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better...

• 3:08Speaker 02

  Sir? See ya! Hello? Get somebody out of here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  Hi, this is Carol King from Music City and you're listening to my favorite podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 4:06Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Mac and Mac comes to us from Pennsylvania and he had a very recent sighting while hunting. Mac had told me, you know, he felt like he was being hunted and he had been trapped in this area, but it's an area where Mac had been previously and a lot of weird things happened that kind of led up to his sighting. And we'll also discuss this weird event of him growing up on this property. I'll kind of let him go into that. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me

• 4:45Wes Germer?

  an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can get your merchandise, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Mac to the show. Mac, thanks for coming on.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

• 5:10Wes Germer?

  Yeah, Mac, I'm excited to have you on and kind of hear what happened to you. I know this is a very recent sighting in Pennsylvania. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you doing and what happened?

• 5:25Speaker 04

  So I'm a big, I'm a huge hunter. I love, I can't get enough of it. I'm, I'm out every day as much as I can be. I mean, to the chagrin of my parents where they're yelling at me saying like, you should be getting better grades. And I'm like, I'm sorry, you know, I gotta go hunting. And so, but I'm, I'm out in the woods all the time. I love it. I can't get enough. I'm hiking, hunting, just scouting around, watching wildlife. And so that's what I've been doing. It's small game season's on right now in Pennsylvania. It's like, it's about to end, actually ends today. But I'm a big small game hunter as well. I, you know, I, I try and do- Do everything I can. So I've been going to new places around where I go to school.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  And because my usual spot has just been totally skunked. There's too many people. I can tell there's too many predators in the area now. So it's been totally skunked, having done anything. So I've been trying new places. And I've recently been going to this one area that has a public, uh, public, some public trails and a creek that runs through it. Because I've been really interested in raccoon hunting. So what I've been doing lately is going out to that area, going to different spots along the creek. Going to different fields and wood wooded sections of it. Um, to see if I can find, you know, just squirrels moving in the evening and then past. Um, past sundown and shooting light, then I set up for a raccoon and I, I have a predator collar and I use that to call on dent trees.

• 6:45Speaker 04

  Which, you know, unfortunately I've had no success because the area is tough. But so that's what's put me kind of in this new spot. And what had the first incident that occurred in this area was I was down actually on the public trail that's right next to the creek. And this is a spot where all day, every day, there's, there's hikers and fishermen and people walking their dogs all the time. Like it's super public access. The whole area is a game land, but it's not like, you know, it's not some remote area. Where, you know, you only got your big hunters that are going in. Like it's a very public place. And so I was there in the evening one time.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  And it was, it was about eight thirty when this happened. It was like, I've waited way past, you know, people being gone. It was sundown. And I, I parked in the parking lot and I went and I walked some. Uh, he's under a hundred yards from my car, like not really that far at all. And I get down the trail and I just get this like. This terrible feeling of dread. Like if I, if I keep going down the trail, something bad's gonna happen to me. And so, you know. Sometimes you feel like Superman, you know, I'm like, well, I got my gun. I, I keep slugs on my gun because I've had

• 8:02Speaker 04

  multiple very up close encounters with bears. Uh, one incident actually in this, not in the same gamelands, but in the same area where I'm at generally. And then the other one at a different part of the state. So, you know, I, I feel fortunate that I made that decision in the past, but I, I keep slugs on my gun on the, uh, a little bandolier on the stalk. And so I, you know, I kind of figured to myself, okay, I'll be all right. Uh, you know, I, I keep these, I keep this on me. I'll stay safe. And so I set up, I found a tree that just seemed like it would be good. Uh, it was kind of, you know, I, I felt bad that I, I couldn't really go further because I had that feeling, but I also still wanted to give it a try. So the way I was set up, I was on the trail, but I had my back to the creek.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  And I was looking up at a tree of, that was kind of hang, hung over the trail a little bit, but a nice big hole in the side of it. So if you know anything about raccoon hunting, what you do is you set up so that you set up your predator collar and you play raccoon fighting noises, especially this time of year. And they, they come out and investigate because they're thinking, you know, who's in my territory? Who do I gotta go, you know, beat up? And so you, you put the collar down and you let it play. And when they come out of the tree, you wait for them to come out a little bit. And once they get far enough out of the hole, you can take a shot at them. So that's what I was waiting for. And I think I was there for all of four minutes. There's a little timer on my collar that tells me how long I've been running sounds. I sat in that spot next to the creek for four minutes and the entire time I was there,

• 9:29Speaker 04

  I felt like I had a heat seeking missile on my back, like somebody had a laser beam and was boring it into my spine. And I could not go 10 seconds without looking behind me because it felt like something was right behind me the whole time I was there. And I kept hearing this sound too, and the way I can describe it is like, if you've ever been in a bath when you're younger, or just like at a pool or something, and you just like pat your hand on the top of water and just kind of make like a plop, plop, plop sound on the top of the water. That's, I kept hear, I would hear that about every thirty seconds to a minute. So I heard it like three times. I would hear like pat, pat, pat on the water. And the, what was behind me was completely dark, and I had a spotlight,

• 10:11Speaker 04

  but I wanted to keep it trained on that tree in case a raccoon came out because the, the tactic I was using was like, you keep the spotlight right in the hole. So when they come out, they're blinded. They don't really know what to do and they just kind of come out and investigate. And that was kind of what I was going for. I, I, I normally use a red light spotlight, but I just, it was out of battery and I was using what I had. But I didn't want to take that, that spotlight off the tree because I was hoping the raccoon would come. But I kept hearing that noise and that pat, pat, pat, and I had that feeling that something was watching me. And after about four minutes, I just decided, you know, I, I gotta go home. Like this doesn't feel right. I want to get out of here. I, I just, I don't feel good.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  So I started collecting my things. I, I throw my game caller, my predator caller into my game vest. I pick up my shotgun. I pick up my light. And I turn to look behind me one more time at the other side of the creek, which is like, mind you, totally dark, even in the moonlight. Like it's thick enough on the other side that it's completely dark. You can't see anything in it. But there's one spot in the bend of the creek where it was flat, it came out flat enough into the bend where if you wanted to stand there and fish, you could. I saw the side profile, like half of a sil, like an, like an arm. Like as if somebody was just going around a corner, like and you're catching a glimpse of them.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  I just saw a big silhouette of an arm disappearing around a corner back into the darkness, like something had been leaned out and was taking a look at me. And when I saw that, I was terrified. I, I, it is one of the worst feelings of fear I have ever felt in my life. And I, I just put my head down and I, I said to myself like, okay, okay, I'm going to get out of here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave. I'm just gonna walk to my car. My car's super close. I'm not going to start running. I'm just going to walk. And I put my head down and I just walked to my car. I get to my car, I throw everything in the back of the trunk. I, I, all I do is I, I rack the shells real fast out of my gun, throw the gun in the case. I don't lock it. I just clip it closed and I jump in the front seat and I start driving.

• 12:11Speaker 04

  And I drive back down the road and I get to where there's a fishery on this creek that stalks the creek um during the fishing seasons. And there's a parking lot that's right next to one of the gates and I parked there because I realized, okay, you know, I'm, well, I was thinking to myself, I'm far enough away from this to not feel threatened anymore. And I left my phone in my vest in the back of the car. So I opened the door, I get out, I go to the back of the car, I get my phone. As I'm going to walk back into the driver's seat, a small stone skitters and lands at my feet, like something to my left had thrown it at me from the bushes. And it didn't come at me hard, but it like, it was like somebody lobbed a stone up and it just kind of clinked and just skittered across the gravel.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  And I dove into that front seat like Superman. I was terrified. It, I, because at that point, I, you know, I'd been watching the show for a while, listening to some stuff. And I was thinking to myself the whole time, like, okay, maybe I'm freaking myself out. You know, sometimes you get in the woods at night, it's scary, you know, you see things that aren't really there. You know, totally, you know, it, it happens to anybody who's been in the woods near dusk or dawn or at night. I mean, like you'll, when I'm deer hunting in deer season, you know, hunters will know what I'm talking about. Where you're sitting in your tree stand and you're looking at something and you, you could swear on your life that it's a deer like moving its head up and down or walking. And then by the time the sun actually comes out, you go, oh my gosh, that's a log and there's a branch on a tree

• 13:40Speaker 04

  that's just moving and you, it just, you know, when it's in the dark, it looks like a deer. So that was kind of my thought when I pulled over, like, okay, maybe I'm scaring myself. And then I had this rock land and that's what like, it clicked in my mind immediately. Oh, like, oh no, I, I think this is what I think it is. And I just got in the car and I drove out of there as fast as I could. And so this, that event was at the beginning of the month. Then weeks at other times, I'd return to the same area because the same area of game lands has um has a lot of pheasant fields where they stock and you know, anybody who might know this area is probably gonna know what spot I'm talking about. So there's the creek, there's

• 14:22Speaker 04

  pheasant fields, and then there's a decent set, there's a decent thousand or so acres of of woods where you could do some pretty good deer hunting. And so I'd been returning to these other uh these other areas, checking them out. I do some squirrel hunting. I only got a couple squirrel in the area, which I was kind of bummed about, but there's definitely a lot out there. Um, found one dentary ever that had any raccoon in it, never came out enough for a good shot. So I'd kind of been all over. I've hiked all over these fields. I've talked to people, you know, just tried to feel out this area. But for a while, I never had any other feeling like, like a dread feeling when I was in that area, besides just the usual like, okay, it's dark,

• 15:05Speaker 04

  you know, it's time to go home. It's a little spooky out. We're just like, oh, man, I can't see anything. But eventually, um, I had a, I had a day where I was out and I talked to a guy who was just hiking in the area and he told me that near the fishery, he used to, he said he used to work there and near the fishery, they would have a ton of raccoon because they would come in and they would raid it and they would eat the fish and they would leave little bone piles all over the place and they would trap so many raccoons that they didn't even know what to do with them. So it was an evening and I'd been thinking about that guy telling me and I thought, well, you know, it's not quite sundown. I'm I'm gonna go back down there and I'm gonna walk the trail that goes in front of the fishery and see if, you know, if I see a tree that, you

• 15:48Speaker 04

  know, it's happening to be there, it might be a good option. So I go there and I walk like a hundred yards into the trail again. Meanwhile, this is a little bit further down from where I was, from where I had the rock thrown at me, but going the opposite way way down the trail. I'm there for, again, I walk like a hundred yards and all of a sudden I have this intense feeling of dread. And this time, it, it, I, I immediately felt like it was more than just being scared of the dark in the woods. Because when you're on that trail, the fishery is right next to you and there are lights on, on that fishery. Like, it's not like you're in pitch black darkness in the woods. I mean, I have my spotlight too, again. So I have the lights on of the fishery next to me and I have my spotlight and I'm shining it around and looking up and down trees.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  And I get down a certain distance and I get that same feeling like, like, oh my gosh, I need to get out of here. Like, like I need to leave quickly. And so I, I just turn around and I go and I walk home. And that, that was probably, I think I was like two or so weeks, maybe three weeks ago. And then, the last thing that happened before the actual sighting was I was up near a pheasant field that's above the creek, but looks down on it. Uh, I was working the same dentry that I'd had raccoons sighting on before, hoping I could get them to come out. And I was sitting in there and I was really like, really in the brush this time, like really trying to hiding, trying to hide to see if I could trick it so that when it came out, it didn't see me before I could get a shot.

• 17:16Speaker 04

  And I'm sitting in that brush and I didn't get any weird feelings. I just happened to look over and all of a sudden I see this little blue light. That's like the size of like a half dollar coin. Just slowly floating and bobbing through the trees like ten yards in front of me. And it wasn't really big. It wasn't super bright. Just this little blue light. And meanwhile, there's an airport that's real close. And there's, you know, when you're looking down over the hill, you can see hikers, you can see the fishery lights. Like if somebody walks on the trail at night, you can see their headlamp or something. But this little blue light was in a direction of me to my right where it was just the woods up top where I was. And there was no sky behind it. And this little blue light floated between the trees for like,

• 18:02Speaker 04

  Ten, like ten feet and it was probably only, you know, it was only just a little bit in front of me, like fifteen feet in front of me or something. And it floated through the trees for like ten feet and then when it reached behind one tree, it disappeared and never came back out the other side. And that got me very weirded out because I, you know, I'm not a big woo-hooer believer, but I'd heard, you know, many accounts on the show that people see lights. And then all of a sudden, you know, they start having encounters. And that was last week and this week on Thursday is when I had the sighting. And what happened was same area, just way further down.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  So if you're at the, at the fishery wa- at where the fishery's at where I was originally, you go way, way down the other side. There's another road way down at the end. It's the very edge of the game lands. And I was there, I was there probably if I'd say five fifteen I got there. I put on waders and my game, uh, and my camo vest and my game vest. Because what I'd been doing is um, in PA, you don't have to wear orange for raccoon, but you do have to for squirrel. So I'll just wear my game vest and then up until sundown, I'll sit on trees and wait for squirrels. I'll still hunt for squirrel and see if I can get any. And then once kind of sundown comes, I start calling for raccoon. But when I got there, I found two really good set of trees right away.

• 19:26Speaker 04

  That was real close to the creek and had small game trails next to that. I figured, okay, maybe there's like, I might get lucky. I might, I might, I'll just start running my calls now. So I ran two sets of calls for about ten minutes apiece on each tree. And you know, it's, you know, it's like five thirty, five forty-ish. Um, it's, you know, it's sundown now, but you still have like thirty minutes of daylight. You, you, you can hunt squirrel thirty minutes before sun, uh, sunup and thirty minutes after sundown in Pennsylvania. So I was kind of waiting for that. But eventually it started getting dark and I wanted to follow some trails. So I kind of stopped thinking about squirrel and I started following what I thought was a raccoon trail.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  And it went back down to the creek and towards the fishery, which would be going to the east. If you're, you know, if you're looking north, it'd be the fisheries east to, to my right. I'm following this trail and I get up to, there's this big rock face, like. Probably thirty or forty feet tall. It's right on the side of the creek and you can tell there's animals that like to walk up against it or crawl on it or whatever. And I got to that rock face. And I just, again, I had a moment where I I started feeling like, oh, you know, it's kind of like it's. It's feeling a little bit more than just dark out, like some something doesn't feel right. I'm gonna turn around and go home. And at this point, after slowly walking and following this trail and losing the trail and having to find it again.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  It's probably about six fifteen, like it's, you know, it's really, it's really starting to get dark, like because of the hills. There isn't even really any twilight light left. It's it is dark out. And I'm I'm walking and I walk probably ten yards past the point of being. Actually next to the rock face. And all I hear is one solid knock like a. On a tree as if something. Took like, like a ba-, it sounded like a baseball bat, but it wasn't. It wasn't the sound. Of like something really hollow, like really wailing on a tree. It was, it was like. It was like a knock on a door, like just like a, just one, just one knock, one sound, and it wasn't answered by anything.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  But where it came from was above me on the rock face and then I would guess maybe. Between thirty to forty yards back further, so up, so behind me ten yards to the rock face up. And then back, back a little ways. And when I heard that. That was probably the worst, like the I, the worst I've ever felt in my life. I was sick. I I stood there for. Two or three minutes frozen. I didn't even know what to do, because when I heard that. And then thought of everything else that had gone on, I had that feeling, I had that thought where I was like, oh, no, I might be having an actual encounter here.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  And I heard that, so a couple, you know, I stand there for a minute or two. And I start walking and I'm walking and I'm walking and I'm scanning the trees and meanwhile, it's like it's dark, dark, because this spot, it's not super thick on the ground. But very, very tall pine trees that have good cover. And the, you know, where the sun sets. There's no light that's possibly coming in and the fishery isn't even nearby, like I'm way, way down on a further end. And.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  I'm scanning back and forth with my light and I catch a glimpse between two trees in like one step, something large and bipedal move between the trees. And I caught it in like the very, you know, when you have a spotlight, you have the very, very edge of the beam where it's like as dim as it could be, but still a little bit of light. That's when I, I only caught it for a second in that edge of the beam. And uh, which I don't think was any type of intentional, like it was like, ooh, look at me. I think I just got lucky and happened to see it right then. And so when I saw that, I, I called my friend on the phone because I was terrified. I was absolutely mortified. Even though I had this gun, I had, you know, steel shot, six shot, bird shot in it.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  I had slugs on it. I'm sitting there and I'm like, I don't even know what to do with myself. I'm, I'm terrified. So I call a friend on the phone and I'm telling him like, dude, you need to get your, you need to get in your Jeep. You need to get every single magazine you have in that AR and you need to get out here and you have to come get me because I'm telling you, there's something in the woods. It's following me. I can't see it, but I can, I can hear it. That, that was another thing. I could hear it. The, the ground was like totally frozen and, but anything laying on top of the ice would crunch. So you would hear like a little bit of ice and then maybe like a light twig snap, like something was slowly creeping and walking alongside of me as I walked back uh, west

• 24:14Speaker 04

  along the creek, trying to go back to my car, which me like meanwhile was still on the other side of the creek. So I had to walk down the creek and then get back in it and cross. So I was, you know, I was probably within six hundred yards of my car, but I was, you know, I felt like I was a mile away. So that's why I called him. I, cause I knew he had my location on my phone and I called him. I said, dude, you need to, you need to get out here quickly because something really bad is about to go down. And as I'm talking with him on the phone, I, there's a, there's like a breast pocket in my vest. I throw my phone in there so I can, I kinda, normally when I walk in the woods, I carry my shotgun in my right hand and I kind of like keep it kinda pressed into my hip, kinda pointed up in an angle into the sky, you know, keep it away from, you

• 24:59Speaker 04

  know, people and also so it's an angle ready so that I can come to a draw quickly. And I had the spotlight in the other hand. And while I was speaking with him.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  I was facing dead ahead, like facing straight forward. And where I was standing, I could only face straight forward to see because the behind me was the creek. Then really, really thick brush lining the side of it. And then really, really thick brush on my right, which made me realize like, oh no, I've been corralled into this corner. Where the only way to go forward to my car is to go to into the woods towards the direction of where I just caught a glimpse of this thing moving. And where I can hear it walking. So that's also, you know, think of the way that feels. I mean, I was trapped. I felt like I was trapped and something was coming for me. So I'm, I'm standing there and I'm on the phone with him and I'm like, he's laughing at me. He, he's even saying on the phone like, oh, you think it's Bigfoot?

• 25:54Speaker 04

  And I started telling him like, yeah, I think it is. I think I'm having like an encounter. And I'm, I'm pleading with him. I'm like, you need to get out here as fast as possible. And in that moment, while I was speaking with him and facing forward, I'd been facing forward for probably two minutes while talking. I turned just naturally to look around, not because anything, you know, I felt had a feeling, I just turned. And as I turned, that's when I saw it. I caught it dead in my spotlight. What it was doing was it was leaning around a tree. As if it was holding on to the tree. I couldn't see the left half of its body or if it was like where it was holding on. But I could tell by the way it was leaning, it was leaning out because I couldn't really see its legs.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  But I could see its arm coming down, its right arm coming down as if it was holding on to its leg. Trying to, you know, minimize its profile. And it was leaning out to its right, looking at me. And I caught that spotlight square in its face. I mean, it was only for a moment, but it's a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life. Because I saw that thing clear as day. It was probably seven feet tall. And it, it looked like the way, if, if you've seen any of the new Godzilla movies, it looked like King Kong in those movies. Except some different colors and like a receding hairline with kind of more brownish hair on the top. But the fake, the face was a dark gray.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  The, the hair around it was orangutan like and gray around the face like a beard, like a, like a, like sideburns and a beard. Not really thick though, it just came down around the face. It didn't show many teeth, but had a very, uh, like more of a rounded chin, not. Like it it was kind of like if you took King Kong from the new movies and made him look more like a person. Like the nose was was person like but not sharp. Um, it wasn't like flared. Oh, my gosh, just got spooked by a fire truck. There was um, um, its nose was uh, it wasn't it wasn't flared. I couldn't see into the nose, but the eyes were very, very deep set and had a very thick brow ridge.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  And the eyes were just dark. It was like looking into darkness. But the one thing I did notice in the eyes, what I could see, I saw the spotlight in its eyes, like I, you know. I put it, I I could tell I put it right in its face and it recoiled like, like, ah, like it had been, you know. Like any person would when you have a, you know, a flashlight shined in your face. And it in, so I had that light on it and I saw its face. Big, thick shoulders and thick arm. I mean, like it had no neck. Thick, you know, thick traps. And so I, I live right next to a fire station, so it's uh, it was always distracting. Um, real thick trapezius muscle on the shoulder.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Not a lot of neck, but the the body was very dark, like it wasn't, it had a weird. Like tuft of brown hair on the top of the head, but like pushed way back, like a receding hairline. But the body was still like super, super dark, not like a patty, black, silver. But kind of like real dark on a grayscale, like it it just kind of looked, it just kind of looked like. Um, I, I, I, I, I don't, it was just very dark. It was very, very dark, but not. I don't think it was a brown. I think it was more of like a, like a darkish gray to black on the body. Cause the hair, the face on the skin on the face was like a, like a, I'd say more of a medium gray, really.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  And but then the hair was like a lighter gray, wispy, kind of like the way an orangutans is, like around their face. But I could tell that when I caught it in the eyes with that spotlight, that like I had caught it by mistake and it recoiled its head real fast around the tree. And the angle I wa- it was a big tree and the angle I was, I kind of leaned one way, leaned the other and I, you know, moved the light all around and I couldn't see it. But after, after that, I just, I'm like frantic on the phone with them. I'm like, I saw it. I saw it. It's here. It's, it's, it's so, it's like 40 yards in front of me. I just saw it. And what I did was I just put my back into the thorn bush behind me and just tore that thing apart and just, you know, dragged my face through. I got torn to pieces and I just ripped through

• 30:17Speaker 04

  that thorn bush as fast as I could. I jumped into the creek. I still had waders on. I jumped down into the creek, crossed the creek, tore through another thorn, thorn bush on the other side of the creek and got up to the road and walked down. And once I was on the road, I felt better. I, I didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything. But that was the scariest thing that's ever happened to me in my entire life. And I've been chased by a black bear and been shot at while hunting, like deliberately shot at, and nothing compares to the fear that I felt while I've had that experience.

• 30:50Wes Germer?

  It's a scary account, man. It's a really scary account. Let me ask you, I mean, why do you think, and, and it's very common for most eyewitnesses, I've, I've gone through it, you went through it. But I'm curious, because it's so fresh in your mind, why do you think that when these things are around, there's this overwhelming dread, this fear, this terror that takes over people?

• 31:14Speaker 04

  I think that my guess, kind of like, if going purely theoretical, is that maybe infrasound, that I was, you know, hearing something I couldn't actually hear that was making me afraid. But, you know, thinking about it the last couple of days was, I mean, like, I've been having all these buildup experiences, all the telltale signs, and I kept ignoring them like a fool. And I kept going back at night, playing loud predator noises, you know, unusual sounds on a speaker. And, you know, I, I just kind of thought, I'd been thinking to myself, like, I felt trapped. Like, it felt like I was being corralled into a corner and something was closing in on me.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Which, I, I thought about it, it could have been two of them, because the first silhouette I saw was moving from my right to left. But where I could hear something walking in on me was on my left, so I don't know if it was in a spot and then moved and bounced back and forth. I don't know if it was two of them, but the, I, I felt like originally, when I, after I heard the knock, the knock frightened me. Because I'm thinking to myself, there's only one thing I possibly know that makes knocks in the woods. And then, once I saw the silhouette and the, and heard the footsteps before seeing it, I, I, I was slowly being pushed closer and closer to the creek. And then when I hit this spot where I was standing when I saw it, I, I quickly realized, like, oh no, I'm stuck.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  I, I think I, I was terrified because I was just being slowly pushed into a corner that I, I don't, would, you know, if, you know, the creature thought that I wasn't going to be able to get out of without getting closer to it.

• 32:54Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's an interesting take, you know, Mac, I, I've often wondered, I understand why people will say, and I hear it all the time, you know, I was being hunted, I was being trapped, I was being pushed into an ambush, and I get why people say that. At one time, I think I felt that way, but rarely does anyone ever get hurt. And I think it's really only when you engage with them. Uh, you know, if this thing really wanted you, it could have had you. You're not gonna outrun one, you're not gonna go toe to toe with one. Um, what do you think was actually going on there?

• 33:33Speaker 04

  I I think that what was going on was I was I was just talking to my girlfriend about this because I I told her about this when I have I mean I haven't been able to sleep the last two days. I mean, I've gotten no sleep because once I lay down at night, all I can think of is this thing looking at me. But I was talking to her this morning and what I what I think was going on in the area was I'm the only person who's been out there past sundown. There's so many options for food and cover in there. And what I'm willing to my guess is that they'll, you know, if there's one of them, if there's more than one of them, however many, they like to come down at night on the creek and fish and grab trout,

• 34:16Speaker 04

  especially when the water's low and you can see them easier. Because I I hear all the time that people, you know, go fishing and they walk around a corner and boom, there's one hunched over, you know, picking fish out of the water. So my guess is that they like to fish in there at night when everybody's gone. Because like I said, I mean, the whole the whole creek is populated all day, every day with people. So like, you know, if if you're in and out of there at night, you're you're used to the patterns. And all the weeks that I've been out there, I never see anybody. Once the sun is down, I don't see anyone at all. I've I've been the only person there in there. I haven't even been able to get, you know, my buddies who usually go hunting with me just because of schedule differences,

• 34:58Speaker 04

  they haven't been in there. It's just been me. And, you know, if I'm going there at night when everyone's gone and they're supposed to, you know, have their free rain time, and I'm in there and I'm playing, you know, the sounds of raccoons fighting and baby raccoons crying and I'm stomping through the woods. I mean, like, you know, think if it's your living room and it's midnight and somebody breaks into your house. I think that I'd been in there and too much of a nuisance. And the first time it happened right on the creek, they were giving me the sign like, hey, you know, get out of here. This is my time. The second time, I think they were probably there watching me again from somewhere that I couldn't see. And thinking like, you know, what the heck, this guy's back.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  And the third time, uh, I think that they've probably made the decision like, all right, we're giving this guy the business. You know, we're gonna make sure he doesn't come back. But it, it, it really, it felt like something was after me. Which I, I guess in hindsight, thinking about it, you know, if they, yeah, like you said, if they really wanted me, they would have had me. Cause I was trapped. I was trapped and there was more than enough time for me to get bum rushed and just taken out from where I was standing. And I wouldn't have been able to do anything. And I think I was just, I was getting the business end of like, dude, you need to leave and you need to get out of here at night. This is our time and we don't want you around. I think, I think that's what it was.

• 36:22Wes Germer?

  Can I ask you, when, when you were looking at this thing, you'd mentioned like King Kong, but it kind of looked like a man. I mean, would you say what you saw was more man-like or would you say it was more animal or somewhere in between?

• 36:36Speaker 04

  I, I'd say more animal. So what I mean by King Kong, but, but more man-like, it's like the way King Kong looks in the new movies. He's kind of a little bit more man looking anyways. And I think that's just a design choice for audiences. But it's still like, I could tell looking at it like this is a, this is a beast. Like this is not a person. Even though the features were resembling, oh, the one detail that, that I, I forgot to mention was the cheekbones. They weren't high, like people say Indian high cheekbones. They weren't like that, but they were pronounced, like you could tell, like the whole eye socket and brow ridge, all that skeletal structure in the face like was pronounced. Like they almost to the point of like, where almost casted its own shadow on the face, not protruding.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  But enough where like you could make out those details. But I, I, you know, really just for the sake of description, that's why I say King Kong, but a little more man-like. Because it didn't have the cone head. It was like a round top, like King Kong in the new movies kind of has a cone head. But this had more of like a sloped back, but rounder shaped head, like a person.

• 37:42Wes Germer?

  I gotcha. The other question I wanted to ask is you, you'd mentioned, you know, when you hit it with the spotlight, it kind of like jerked back a little bit. Did the facial expressions change at all?

• 37:53Speaker 04

  I it was it was long enough for me to clearly see it, but like not long enough for I mean, it like whipped its head back. I think that it thought that I was focused on one direction and was gonna start moving that direction. And then when I turned, I surprised it like it was leaning out like, oh, I wonder what he's gonna do next. And then when I turned, I surprised it real bad. I mean, because it whipped its head back so fast. I mean, it was like, you know, just long enough to make out the like a second at the most where you could see it clearly in the light, and then it whipped its head back as fast as possible.

• 38:28Wes Germer?

  You know, as I was laughing before we came on the air, Mac, I was telling you, you really are a true hunter at heart, because you're having all these weird red flag moments that are happening prior to the actual encounter where you saw it. And you're kind of treating them like checkpoints. And I think a lot of hunters do that because they're like, ah, you know, this is a good spot. I don't want to give up my spot. And so they a lot of hunters will look past some of these red flagged moments. I wanted to ask you, the blue light that you saw, how big was that light?

• 39:06Speaker 04

  It was like the size of a coin, like I'd say a half dollar coin or something. And it was close, which, you know, I'd heard people say like, oh, it's a it's like a basketball or like, no, it was like a coin, but it was it was bright enough that like, you couldn't miss it. Like when it came out from behind a tree, you could not miss it. And I'd say it was like the color of, if you take like a painter's tape, like blue painter's tape, that shade of blue would make it a little bit lighter. And then it kind of and I have, um, I have astigmatism in my eyes. So when I looked at it, you know, to me, it looked like how a street light looks when if I look at it without my glasses on and I didn't have

• 39:49Speaker 04

  my glass, I had my glasses off for a moment there. So it could have been throwing light weird like that on its own, or it could have been my eyes. But it was just like a coin sized, light blue light that kind of had some streaks coming off it up and down, left and right. And it just kind of floated and it bobbed up and down like an inch or two, but it just slowly in one pace floated between the trees. And then after like, you know, 10 or 15 feet or so, once it reached the backside of another tree, it didn't come out again, just disappeared.

• 40:18Wes Germer?

  Can I ask you, is that the only time you've ever seen the lights?

• 40:22Speaker 04

  That is the only time I've seen a circular light in the woods, but just this year in a different set of game lands, which are supposedly known for hauntings. I saw another set of lights that was like, what happened was I was, I got into these fields. It's a game lands that's connected to a set of ag fields that are also public for the, for hunters. And I, that, that is, that's my spot that I mentioned earlier that, you know, I was totally skunked at, but, and the reason I was there is because I'm skunked because there's predators. You know, why not try some predator calling? So I'd been trying for coyote and fox because I'd find coyote and fox track there. And I was there, it was

• 41:04Speaker 04

  like nine o'clock at night. This was in January. And that was another night, the whole time I was there, something felt wrong, but I felt confident enough to be there because I, I don't have an AR for predator hunting. I just go out with my deer rifle with my 30 out six, which I know somebody's going to hear that and go, really? You're trying to shoot coyotes with a 30 out six? You're, you're a dummy. But, you know, it's all I got. I'm working with what I have. And so I was thinking to myself, well, there's nothing on God's green earth and it's going to survive a 180 grain 30 out six to the head. So as long as I got this rifle, I'm fine. So I set up on a spot, I'm facing north and then to my west at the end of this field that I'm at, there is a small, it's kind of, it's not like

• 41:46Speaker 04

  a swamp, but it can get swampy. It's, I guess it's, it's some type of water collection or drainage area that's also kind of like a pond. There'll be ducks on it and it's got grasses and I've hunted rabbits around it. That used to be my really good, in the trees surrounding it, used to be my really good squirrel area. So that's off to my left at the edge of the field. And this is probably, actually I can pull it up on my, on my Onyx and look at the distance. This is probably...

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Let me pull this up real quick. The distance I was from this was. I was four, about four hundred and seventy yards from it. So it's, you know, it's way off to my side. But the whole time I'm there, the entire area is illuminated in like a, like a soft light blue glow. Like, like as if there was. I I don't, I don't even know how to describe it, because it wasn't like there was a source from above. It wasn't like there was one thing in the middle that was illuminating everything. It was like everything within the confines of this swampy area. Had a blue glow, including the trees that just, that were just on the edges of it.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  But anything just past the edge, none of the light reached into the woods, like it didn't cast any shadows any direction, like. It was just within this open area that I could see to. And I knew it wasn't, well, I mean, I don't even know if I could say I knew. But at the time, I felt like it wasn't anything man-made, because. There's a road that goes through the gamelands that are off there to the right where that is, and there's a road that passes close to it. But you can clearly see when headlights are coming through and you can, you can hear very clearly when a car is coming through. And if somebody was hiking, nobody had to hike through that night, but that's another, you know, heavy hiker area to. My, you know, to my chagrin, because that's part of the reason the spot has gotten so bad.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  But, but besides the, the hikers and the cars, like, you know, you could tell that there was nothing over there. That you could think of off the top of your head that would make it so this area was illuminated. And I had returned to the same spot. Um, probably three, two or three weeks after that with my girlfriend to also try and do another night of predator hunting. And it was probably, it was the almost identical weather, winter conditions. There wasn't new snow on the ground. It'd just been the same frozen that it's been and uh, temperature is about the same, weather conditions, moonlight, all was almost identical and there was no glow.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  Like it was like, you couldn't even see that far to the end of it. I mean, it was just a black wall on the other side of the field because you know, it's like it was true dark. It was true nighttime. The only area you could see illuminated was the moonlight on the field. And that's how it was that night with the glow too. Like the whole field is if you turn your lights off, the whole field is illuminated with the moonlight. But then also that area to the left was also like completely illuminated with this light blue glow. And so the, the weirdest thing about it though, is the whole time I was there, there was something in my head that kept telling me like, ignore the light, like, don't investigate it. Just stay where you are. Ignore the light, ignore the light, ignore the light. And I, I stayed there for like an hour. It was

• 45:13Speaker 04

  nothing, you know, so terrifying that I couldn't be there. But you know, every couple of minutes, I'd catch myself just staring at it. I'd be like, alright, I, I gotta take my focus away from it. Cause I just feel like I shouldn't be looking. I shouldn't be pressing the issue.

• 45:27Wes Germer?

  The one that I saw was blue as well, but I've had other eyewitnesses that have seen them and they go, well, what I saw was a red light or a yellow light or uh, but the, the actual what they're seeing and how it behaves is the same. Well, what do you think that those lights are?

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Dude, I got no idea. I, I, I've heard, I was actually just listening to an episode and the way this, I think the guy was talking about how I'm on like, where I'm listening is like 500. So for everyone who's current, this is gonna be a long time ago that they heard this episode. But um, the guy was describing it like.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  The way he described it, it sound like ball lightning. Like if you, if you know what ball lightning is, like super rare phenomenon where it's, you know, actual, you know, electricity, it just moves through the air in a ball. And I, I feel like some people are probably seeing that and not knowing what it is because that's like a phenomenon that, you know, we still don't, we still can't explain. And maybe ball lightning is just whatever's going on with these every time and we just don't know. But I've heard people describe it and to me, it sounds like what I've heard, what scientists say is a real thing is ball lightning. And then other times I hear it where like it specifically follows people. I remember there was a story, the coon hunters who the light would follow them on the other side of the creek.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  That kind of stuff, I don't, I have no answer for. When I saw the, this, the ball that I saw, it wasn't following me. It didn't seem like it was, like I didn't get any weird feelings. I just happened to notice it over there. So I, I have no, I really, I can't explain it. I don't know what it is, but for some reason it seems to always happen right before a big foot encounter. And I saw that light last week and then come this week, I go out and I have my encounter.

• 47:18Wes Germer?

  Yeah, the lights are weird, man. I, you know, I'm with you. I, I don't know what to make of it either. Yeah. I, I remember when I very first was starting getting these reports of people seeing these lights and I was like, what in the world are people seeing? And I kind of went down the same path as you, uh, Mac. I, I was like, okay, I'm gonna try and figure this out. And I came across the, uh, the ball of lightning as well. And I really investigated it, but I can tell you your odds of seeing a ball of lightning, you have better odds of winning the lottery. I think 5% of the planet has actually seen a ball of lightning. So it makes me think there's something else going on. Um, I want to talk about when you were growing up on this property.

• 48:02Wes Germer?

  Would you kind of, we were talking about it the other day off the air. Uh, would you go into some of the different things that happened to you while growing up on this property?

• 48:11Speaker 04

  Um, I remember this, this story from my sister very distinctly. I hadn't thought about it for a very long time. But the incident with the rock being thrown at me, that's what made all these, these stories come back to mind. Of just all these different types of phenomenon that have happened. And the first one was my sister, when she was younger, I'm fairly certain that she had a sighting right in our backyard. And what happened was my backyard, there's, it's like, it's not on the top of the hill, but it slopes down. It kind of bulles out in the bottom because there's some, so there's some natural like pipe runoff, uh, infrastructure that just, you know.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  We maintain it, the, but it's in our backyard. Um, we, we call it the creek. There's just like a stream with rocks that goes through the middle of the very, very bottom lowest part of our backyard. And then it goes kind of into this, uh, sewer drainage thing. And then under the ground, out the other side into this other little bowl area. And that other little bowl area, we always used to call the woods. Cause it's just like, you know, the patch of trees in the backyard, not, not like a patch of trees, like a couple standing like trees, bushes, like, you know. It was like you took a little slice of deep woods and just put it right in our backyard. I mean, probably it was like a quarter of an acre little spot. So that was always the woods. We'd play in there. We'd make forts. We'd, we'd run around.

• 49:33Speaker 04

  We would go into the neighbor's part of the trees that are back there, but it was just in the back right corner of the yard. Uh, to the left of that, straight, it goes straight grass through into the, the backyard neighbor's backyard. The backyards are connected. They're not super separated. So my sister was always good friends with the backyard neighbor. And one night they were playing on the backyard neighbor's trampoline. And when, when she told me this story again, she told me exactly as I remember it. And. She told me that they were on the trampoline. It was late at night. Sun was set. And, oh, one, one detail about the, the area I forgot to mention is, so just past the, the woods.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  If you're looking at my backyard, neighbor house on the left, connected yards, right corner, it's the woods. And then behind that are beef cattle fields, real, small fields, not like some crazy huge operation. But there's two beef cattle grazing fields that are connected to each other. And we always called just the cow farm. And, you know, when we were little, we'd go in there and we'd mess with, we'd go. I ran in there with a red shirt on one time, took it off, waved around, got chased by a cow, shocked by the electric. Oh, you know, mess around in the field. But, so from where they were at the neighbor's house, going back to the story. They're looking, if you're looking towards my house, then it's the woods in the field on the left of their yard. She's looking over there and at the corner of the field, connected to the woods.

• 50:58Speaker 04

  She sees a large silhouette, like clear, not fuzzy. Clear shape of a large, large person standing there. I, I asked her, you know, how tall would you guess? She said, over six feet at least. Big, giant, big and stocky, like big, big person, you know. Tall, wide, muscular, everything, standing there, watching them. And the first time she noticed it, she just only saw it at a glance and looked away. And she told me that she thought to herself, oh, like originally she thought to herself, you know, I'm just seeing things. But when her friend asked her, hey, do you see that? That's when she said to her, yeah, I see that. I saw it.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  But I, I thought I was imagining things and they both looked back over and it's standing there. And it's just standing there like with these big, long arms, just standing there, watching them and watching them. And she described to me that. The fear and the feeling of not being able to move that she felt was indescribable. Like it, you know, thousand tons on your shoulder, every bone in your body screaming at you to get going. And they couldn't. And they're sitting there for five, she said like five minutes looking, they were sat there for a while looking at it. It never got any closer. It didn't make any noise. It didn't have a smell, nothing. It just stood there and watched them. And eventually, when they were able to break the gaze, they jumped out of the trampoline and ran all the way around to the front of the house and got inside.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  And she told me that the next day, the, so obviously, you know, they went inside and said like, there's a person in the back, there's a big person in the backyard watching us. And meanwhile, this is, she was probably in middle school when this happened, because when she told me, I think my sister's five years older than me. So when this happened, I think she was in like middle school. I was in like third or fourth grade or something. And um, she told the neighbor's parents, like, hey, there, there's like a person outside in the yard watching us. And they looked and the person was gone. And, you know, she had to have the neighbor mom drive her all the way home, even though she could have just gone to the backyard. She had to go all the way down the street and all the way back around.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  And she, but she told me the next day that the neighbors went out to look around. And from the woods to the, all along the back of the house. And there were, there was a set of big prints that went all the way, they didn't measure or take pictures. They didn't call the police and say they had a prowler. Um, but they, they didn't really take any pictures, unfortunately. But there were big footprints that went all the way from the woods to the back of the house and then paced back and forth along the windows and the sliding glass door. As if it was looking inside on the sliding glass door, there was like two big muddy handprints on the door.

• 53:44Wes Germer?

  And I get it, you know, five years is a huge age gap when she's in middle school and you're younger. Uh, but you know, later in life, when you talk to her, what did she think it was at the time? And what was the family's conversation like?

• 54:01Speaker 04

  I, nobody really believed her cuz she kinda, not like had a, she doesn't have like a proponent to be a storyteller or a liar or anything, but it's like you hear that and it's like, oh yeah, okay, alright. You know, like that time of her life, she would scare me with things and like show me spooky books. Like she had a, she had a book that was a book of, of cryptids in America. And I, I'll never forget it because, you know, had like, or it was just like cryptid creatures in general. It had like, you know, Bigfoot, you know, the Loch Ness monster. But I'll never forget that book because it had, you can still find this image on Google and I, I look at it now and I laugh. But it had a picture of, it was supposed to be the Jersey Devil and she used to use that to scare the hell out of me.

• 54:40Speaker 04

  So kind of that time, it was like, you know, she was into the spooky stuff, getting old enough to be allowed to watch like The Walking Dead when it was coming out. And so I think everyone just kinda thought like, okay, haha, you saw something, well, you're scared, you know, whatever. Not like, you know, we think you're a liar, you know, it's just that we think you're scaring yourself. Cuz I remember too, when this incident occurred, I was just getting old enough where I could go, you know what, you know, maybe you're BSing me, like I think you're just trying to scare me. It still did frighten me for sure. I wouldn't go outside in the yard for probably like two weeks. I was terrified to play outside. But um, I, I remember thinking to myself at the time, like, okay, I think you're probably just trying to scare me.

• 55:22Speaker 04

  But, you know, like I said, when I had the rock thrown at me and like all this stuff started coming back, I ca- I called her that night and I told her what happened and then she, she said, well, remember what I saw. And I was like, and all, her saying just that made me remember, oh my gosh, I do remember that story. And I asked her, could you please tell it to me again? And when she told me again, I mean, it, there was no BS. She didn't add anything. She didn't make anything more dramatic. I, I asked her questions. She gave me straight answers to the point. And I, I really think that she had some type of experience and saw something. I think for the, my guess is for the most part is that the neighbors and my parents were probably just like, let's like,

• 56:04Speaker 04

  just trying to keep it on the down low. Like, oh yeah, maybe there was like a prowler or something. But no, but I don't think anybody ever had it on the mind, like, oh, maybe there was a Sasquatch watching them. Cuz I mean, like, you know, I think about that now, like it, it sounds ridiculous to say, like, you know. So I, I don't think they were thinking anything like that. I think they think, I think they thought that there might have been a prowler. So they just tried to keep it on the down low and dismiss it just not to scare us.

• 56:30Wes Germer?

  I gotcha. You know, the other thing I wanted to ask you about Mac was we were talking the other day and I was telling you I had interviewed this guy after you were kind of telling me your experiences and I posted online. I wish I could remember what episode it was. It might have been called the rake, but this witness was telling me about this creature on his property. And as he was describing it, I remember sitting there going, what in the world is this guy going on about? This doesn't sound anything like a Sasquatch. And I'll see if I can't figure out which episode it is and send you the video. He got a video of it of this thing coming up to his front door and

• 57:09Wes Germer?

  it looks human, but it doesn't look human. And you kind of experienced something like that. If you would, tell me about that.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, so this also, this also involves my sister. She had the first experience. And again, this is a time like a story that really never thought about, you know, until now when she reminded me. But her reminding me of her story made me kind of realize that the experience that I had probably actually was was real. So what happened to me, well, this was my junior year of high school. So this was only four years ago. Yeah, four years ago. I was coming home from dropping my girlfriend off and the road that I was on, there's like a little grassy field. That's probably like an acre and a half next to it. It's just maintained. There's a gas line on up into the

• 58:05Speaker 04

  woods above it. So there's like a little hill that goes up and then there's woods and a gas line cut through and it's maintained. And I was driving along that road and this and this is like, it's probably 200 yards. You just go down and then you go a little bit further. It's the stop sign. You take a left, you take a right, you're in my neighborhood. Like I'm right at home. And I was driving and I was exhausted. This is, this was probably past midnight. I'm totally exhausted. You know, the amount of times I drove my girlfriend home from my house where I was like, probably too tired to be driving was probably too many times. But I'm coming home and I'm like, delirious at the steering wheel. And then all of a sudden, I have this moment of absolute clarity where I completely wake up.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  And I have this voice in the back of my, like my own voice in my head telling me like, look, look now. And I turned and I looked and standing right at the road, probably five feet off the, the actual side of the road. Is this muscular, not muscular, like built muscular, but like fit, like

• 59:13Speaker 04

  lean, lean, lean muscular, lean muscular, this lean muscular tall, like six foot tall. Human creature that was a sickly pale gray. And the face was like a human face, but if you grabbed on to the nose and the chin. And just pulled that out forward like three inches. So it was almost like it had a snout, but not so much that it was like, you know, a deer's face or a canine face. But it was like the face was pulled forward. And I remember it didn't have any, I didn't see claws.

• 59:54Speaker 04

  But the fingers were like really, really long. The fingers were probably four, like four to five inches long. And they kind of, it was a regular arm length, but the fingers were so long that they like almost came to the knees, like the, like the hands were just above the knees and the fingers went to like the bottom of its knees. And I saw that thing and it stood there and was just eyeballing me. I was getting laser beamed through that windshield and then through my, my passenger door and I was going seventy miles an hour in the next two seconds. I mean, that's how bad it frightened me. That and another experience were the two scariest things until what happened to me.

• 1:00:37Speaker 04

  You know, just the other day, but even after I got home and the next day, I thought to myself, I was like, did that really happen? Like, did I, was I seeing things? Cause I was so tired, you know, like what's going on? So I had a bunch of friends over and I was like, guys, we gotta go back down the road. We gotta see if we find anything. Cause I saw the weirdest thing last night. So we go back down, we go down, we don't see anything. My friends are making fun of me. Ah, you thought you saw a wendigo or a creature or something. I was like, yeah, okay, whatever. So we, you know, blow that off. Then when I'm talking to my sister again recently. She reminds me of a story and I also remember when this happened.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Um, I thi- I was in, uh, it was probably, it was actually not that long after the, the, you know, the human like figure standing in the yard watching them. It was probably only a year or two after that. So if you go from my house, you go down the road, at the bottom of the neighborhood, there's one last cul-de-sac on the left. Take a left, there's a neighbor's house down there that, you know, she was good friends with the girl who was her age. So if you go, if you're in their backyard and you go out of their backyard, down the little, the little jump onto the street, cross the street, go over a creek and then up into the woods. You're in that same wooded, further down the road, but you're in that same wooded area that, um,

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  that's like where the pipeline is and all that stuff. So, you know, the fields connect to it, connected to where they were at a distance, where I saw this thing. And she told me that what happened to her and her friend was they were up there playing in the woods. And my sister played in the woods all the time regardless of being afraid. You know, that's one of her, always one of her favorite things to do growing up. But what happened to her was, and this made them stop going back there and they really enjoyed it. There's some cool stuff back there. There's like, you know, old gazebo that's broken down from, there used to be some public stuff. There's, there's some trails and there's the pipeline. There's a cool bridge you can go, like when you're young, it's like, you know, you're, it feels like you're exploring planet earth. But they, they stopped going back there because what happened was,

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  they were going along and kind of just like going through the woods, not a trail or anything. They were just going through the woods. And all of a sudden, out in front of them, emerged this preacher from behind a tree and she described it to be very similar to what I saw. She said it was a tall, kind of pale gray, human like figure, that when it emerged from the trees, it started sprinting after them in the woods, like it was coming to get them. And they ran for their lives. They just ran all the way home. They, they, they told me, which this is the part that I remember the most, not exi- From the time of this happening, I didn't, you know, it's, it was a story that I had not thought enough enough, thought enough about to really

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  be reminded of it and think about it. But the one detail I remember from this happening that I do remember is that when she got home, she was like torn to pieces, like she had run through razor wire, like running through thorn bushes and trees. That I do remember distinctly. I can remember coming home sobbing, crying, dirt in her hair, sticks in her hair, her sleeves pushed up, her arms, her, you know, her face and neck were just like, it was like she'd run through razor wire. Because that's how hard and fast they ran from this thing because it came after them. But she said it didn't make any noise and, you know, it just emerged from the trees and started sprinting after them and they just

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  ran home as fast as they could and they, they made it. Cause the neighbor's house is not too hard, too far, but they had to, you know, go through the brambles to get home.

• 1:04:13Wes Germer?

  Yeah, the, the thing that you saw, I mean, it sounds like it was very close. I mean, it's right there next to the road. Did, did the thing have any clothes on?

• 1:04:22Speaker 04

  No, it was naked, but it didn't have any genitalia. It was like a Barbie doll. When I, like, when I think of it in my mind's eye, I remember the face and the fingers. The rest of the body was just kind of like lean gray, you know, nasty looking thing, but the fingers, they, they stood out because of how abnormally long they were.

• 1:04:44Wes Germer?

  Yeah. And you, you know, you'll hear a lot of Bigfoot researchers that will say, you know, this rake creature is something brand new. It was created in the nineties online. It's creepypasta. It's made up.

• 1:05:00Wes Germer?

  And they're not wrong in the sense that the term the rake is new. People seeing that creature is not new. It's gone by many different names in the past and it's creepy. It's physical. I mean, people, people aren't seeing a ghost. They're seeing something very physical. Um, you, you and I talked the other day and you, you had mentioned, uh, there was this other kind of last incident of this weird guy that came on your property and you weren't really sure he was human. Uh, would you mind telling that?

• 1:05:34Speaker 04

  So this is a story that, oh my gosh, if my parents ever hear this one, um, I'm going to, I'm getting locked in the basement for the rest of my life. But so this was when I was in middle school, because it was right about the time I started hunting and I just gotten my shotgun, because we do a family pheasant hunt every Christmas and we've done it for years. And I just, you know, had the shotgun for a little while and it was out, you know, I've always been safe with guns my whole life. Um, grew up, you know, shooting when I was little with relatives, you know, did hunter safety, take it very seriously. Uh, this, this is why I say that if my parents hear this story, I'm gonna get killed. But, uh, so I was home alone. It was a weekend.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  It was like the middle of the day. Nobody was, nobody's there. My mom was out running errands. My dad was doing something, you know, whatever. And I didn't get any weird feeling, but I just, I was walking through my house and I was in the kitchen and I looked out my kitchen window down to the backyard and in the bottom, at the bottom of the hill and at the bottom of the flat spot where the wood start, I saw this dude like crawling out of the bushes into the yard. And so immediately, you know, red flags are going off, like, you know, it's, you know, somebody in trouble, you know, is this guy trouble for me? And I, I'm, I'm looking at him from the window and what I see is he's, it's like an old man with, with gray hair, kind of scraggly gray hair,

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  scraggly gray beard. And like average height, not, you know, didn't look anything unusual besides looking like a tweaker. And so, but he was wearing a brown coat and tattered blue jeans. And I remember thinking to myself like, uh oh, this might not be, this is kind of bad. Like, what's he doing? And, you know, this is the part that my parents will kill me for, but I've, you know, felt like I was a badass. I'm gonna defend the house. So I went and I got that shotgun and I didn't immediately confront what was going on, but I got it and just brought it upstairs. I put it on the kitchen table and then stood by the window and just watched. And this guy kind of stood in the yard and it looked like he was sniffing the air. And then he looked up at the house, not like he was looking at me, but just up at the house and started slowly

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  walking and he just kind of was like shuffling along. And that's when I really started going, uh oh, like this is, this is like, you know, maybe something bad might be going on. And again, it's not like I had like any, like nowhere near the level of fear or dread like I've had with my recent encounters. But, you know, something was telling me that something right was going on. And so. I I take that shotgun and I go out on the deck and I place it against a banister, uh, one of the beams on the deck so it couldn't be seen. And I just start talking. I'm like, hey, how's it going? Like, how are you? Are you okay? And the he just kinda like. Looks at me like kinda moves his head back and forth and just starts making this noise that was like.

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  And I'm and I'm like. Oh, my God, what is happening? Like, I'm I'm I'm more confused than anything like what what is wrong with this guy? So I start thinking to myself like, okay, I'm probably gonna have to call the police. And but then he keeps coming towards the house and I'd like stop him and say, hey. You know, what do you what do you like? Who are you? What are you doing? I actually thought for a little bit that it was maybe the farmer. From the beef cattle field because that's he's an old guy, real old guy.

• 1:08:52Speaker 04

  And so I remember thinking that and I was like, does he need help or something? So I started like, hey, do you need help? Like, what's going on? And he would keep making these noises over and over again. And uh, it the the weird thing like just to go back a second, the weird thing, this is like the middle of the day. This is like one o'clock in the afternoon on a Saturday. This is no, actually, I remember why nobody was home. It was a Sunday. It was a Sunday morning, like just around noon time. Because and that's why my parents weren't home because they were at church and my sister was at college. That's why nobody was home. It was a Sunday like. Almost the morning time. And. So eventually, so going back to where I was, eventually I I picked that shotgun up and I'm just kinda holding it like, hey. Like I'm I'm not comfortable with you being in my yard. You need to leave now.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  The guy or I'm gonna call the police and he keeps coming and he gets kind of to like where the bottom of the real hill starts to come right up to the house. And that's when I bring the gun up and I'm like, dude, you gotta get out of my yard immediately, or this is gonna end really bad for you. And he looks at me again. He makes another noise. And I pull the shotgun up, rack it. Me, it's not even loaded. I I didn't. We didn't even have any ammo yet. I just had the gun. I rack it and I point it at him. And I'm like, get the hell out of my yard now. And when I yelled that at him, he finally, he looked up at me, made one more like. And turned around and slowly walked back to the to the bushes. When he got to the bushes, though, there is like a semi-worn and trail in there where we would go in to go in the woods. He got down on the ground and crawled back into the bush like a spider.

• 1:10:23Wes Germer?

  Yeah, when you very first told me that I was thinking Sasquatch, but I was thinking maybe it's a drugged out human.

• 1:10:31Wes Germer?

  I don't know. It didn't sound like a human. At the very least, maybe a human on drugs.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  I, I really, it could have been. It really could have been. There's some credence to that possibility because there's a small town. Uh, not too far from my house, like, like a mile or so. And that's a town that's known for having some drug problems. But, oh my God, I totally, I feel like a fool. I left out this detail. When he got closer to the house, the thing that made me more scared than just concerned that it was a person was he wasn't. So at first it looked like he was wearing a brown coat and blue tattered blue jeans and a gray shirt. Once he got closer, I could tell he was not wearing a gray shirt and that was the color of his skin and his body. He was like sickly corpse gray. And that's what made me go, okay.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Some stranger than a dude in my backyard is going on. And then when he crawled away into the bushes, like that's when I really was scared. Like I was hoping he wouldn't come back because I was thinking like, oh my gosh, I don't have any way to defend myself. And and I, I, I remember thinking, you know, what if, what if I call the police? What are they, there was a person in my backyard. They look around. They don't find anything. They're going, okay, you know, whatever. Keep an eye out. What if he comes back in the middle of the night and tries to get in the house? So I was, I was terrified. I was scared. Not, not as scared as I had ever been in my life ever, but I was scared.

• 1:11:54Wes Germer?

  Yeah. The thing that you saw that night, um, how did it compare or contrast to what you saw when you were driving when you saw that other one?

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  Um, when I saw the, the, the thing that I can compare is the skin color, like the skin color and body tone. The guy looked like the same thing, like lean, but not like he was ripped, but nor, nor that he was amazed, like not like emaciated. Just like really lean, like skin tight lean. And that's what his stomach and his chest looked like too. And, and it was the same like sickly gray corpse color skin as the thing I saw standing on the side of the road.

• 1:12:36Wes Germer?

  Think if I had a shotgun, there's probably a 97% chance this guy's getting shot, but I guess it wasn't loaded. That property you guys grew up on, why do you think there's so many weird things going on?

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  I have no idea. There's no known history that I know of, of the area like our, my town was agriculture. It was founded supposedly by an Indian. So I think there were tribes in the area. I know the Shawnee were big in southwestern Pennsylvania in general. But I have no idea why, why it'd be my house. And I, I've had events at my house that I feel like were hauntings that have happened that, and I have no, I have no, I just really don't know. I don't know what makes this area special. My only guess is that maybe there was something at one time here that's been displaced by the development and is still lingering on.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  There are some big wood areas you can get into, but it's not like it's, you know, open acreage and acreage and acreage, you know, all around. I really don't know. That's what, that's what worries me the most and makes me seek out the most answers because there's nothing on the surface that would even like, there's no thread that I even could start pulling on. I, I'm totally lost.

• 1:13:52Wes Germer?

  You know, I really appreciate you sharing the, kind of these weird stories from growing up. And every time I hear a rake story, I get creeped out just as much as the first time I ever heard one. Uh, you know, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take?

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  I, I am still in the animal camp, like physical, non-human primate camp. However, though, I think that I've kind of, I've thought about it over a while in this, you know, obviously, especially not recently. But I've thought about it and what I think could possibly be the story of Bigfoot, if it's like totally grounded in earth and the physical world is that. At the or maybe, you know, sometime Ice Age or whatever, that we had all the different hominid groups. And the Bigfoot, you know, the Sasquatch, whatever, was the most closely still tied to being a large primate more than a hominid.

• 1:14:52Speaker 04

  And that over time, it, you know, it evolved and it happened to become more intelligent, but not really change in form. And because of that, that increased intelligence that it slowly was able to to get over time. It's able to say like, oh, look, I'm this big giant thing. Why don't I be smart and, you know, hunt and hide and do stuff. And I think the, maybe the reason why it's so big is because it used to hunt megafauna game from the time of the Ice Age and it came across the Bering Strait. And just, I think maybe its mind is if the human mind became more mechanically and physically grounded,

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  that maybe its mind, just due to biochemistry or something, became more of the kind of maybe what you would describe as voodoo, where it kind of can tap into your mind with frequency or something where, you know, maybe it does have these capabilities, but they are, but I still think that they they're probably physical that we just don't understand yet. Where it's like, you know, it's infrasound plus more that we just don't understand. So I I'm in the, I'm in the non-human primate camp. I think maybe there's been some, you know, some women stolen or some some men stolen or something. I mean, I've heard weird stories of uh uh of Sasquatches. I think it was in Russia where they would take them as prisoner, make them a slave and like have kids with them or something. So I don't know,

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  maybe if there's been some crazy crossbreeding or something, but I to make them look more human over time or there's variation. But, you know, with all of that, I I I still think it's, I still think it's an animal. And I think that's why it was after me so intensely the other night because it was like, dude, get away from my fishing hole. Like, I don't want you here anymore. I'm trying to eat.

• 1:16:44Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's a interesting take. I've never heard the megafauna prey theory before. It's fascinating. I um, kind of a last question I want to ask you because this is so fresh in your mind and it just happened to you. Um, how did this kind of affect you after the encounter?

• 1:17:05Speaker 04

  I I'm still, I'm still figuring that one out because I, like I said, is like, I always kind of like, it's, it's so strange. Like I know that like people are gonna hear this thing and think, oh, this is baloney. This kid's making it up. Like, you know, you get super interested in Bigfoot and then all of a sudden you see one. Yeah, like, you know, what are the odds? And I, I totally understand that. And so I'm kind of still dealing with like, like, yeah, I was interested and believed and just got, I, I would say unfortunate. I, I, you know, some people, I know I hear people say like, I've always been interested and I'd love to just see one, you know, I don't need to be close. I just want to catch a glimpse. I, I'm, I'm telling you, I don't think you do. I, I think it'll change your life in a, in a way you don't want.

• 1:17:47Speaker 04

  And I think I'm still working through that right now. Cause I, I'm, you know, I'm thinking about like, if I, if I go to deer camp and I, you know, I go hunting in the fall, this coming fall, and I hear that, or I see what I've seen, or smell something, I, I'm gonna be terrified. Like I, you know, I'm, I'm still trying to figure out if this has kept me out of the woods or not. I, I want to go back with, with researchers if I can get into contact with good researchers who will go with me. But I just, I don't really, I, at this point, I'm just, I'm trying to reach out and find out as much as I can, as fast as I can. Because I'm just trying to like, keep it real and in the forefront of my mind so that it doesn't like, let me slip into anything crazy where I'm like, I start bugging out about it. So I'm kind of, kind of still working through that.

• 1:18:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I can appreciate that. I think when you're out in the woods like you were, you know, you're out there in the middle of nowhere and you're there as the sun's going down and just at times you were there, I think your odds of running into one of these things goes up exponentially. And you know, my advice to you would be, A, I would go back to the location of where this happened. And I sound like a hypocrite, I mean, I'm a total hypocrite because I don't even like going back to the place where I saw one. But in a weird way, it does help you, or maybe I just felt like it's something I should say. But I think it does help you to go back to the spot.

• 1:19:14Wes Germer?

  And I can assure you, no researcher, no one in this field is going to put you in a fast lane of knowledge when it comes to this subject. We're all searching for answers. You know, it's a sandwich out here, man. We're all eating it and we're all trying to figure it out. And welcome to the club. But I really appreciate you coming on, man. I really enjoyed chatting with you and thank you again.

• 1:19:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you. Anytime.

• 1:19:47Wes Germer?

  And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. And tomorrow night is the Four Horsemen Hotel. I'll be chatting with Vince, Dwight, and Mitch. And guys out looking for ghosts, but found something else. Hopefully you can join me. Until next time, everyone.

• 1:21:10Speaker 05

  Cause I'm here, just hold on, cause I'm coming. Hold on, cause I'm coming. Hold on, I'm coming.

• 1:21:26Speaker 05

  Hold on, I'm coming. Look here. Reach out to me for satisfaction, yeah.

• 1:21:39Speaker 05

  Call my name for quick reaction, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:05Speaker 05

  Now don't you ever be sad. Lean on me when times are bad. When the day comes and you're down In a river of trouble, in a flood of ground. Hold on, I'm coming. Hold on, I'm coming. Hold on, don't you worry, I'm coming. Here I come, hold on. We're about to save you. I'm coming, yeah. Hold on, don't you worry, I'm coming. Here I come, hold on.