SC EP:1119 The Flaming Gorge Creature

Early release, I will return on Sunday for the members. A listener writes "As a little girl my family would go camping at a place called "Flaming Gorge" it's in Eastern Utah. It's divided by a pretty huge Gorge (for Utah anyway) and has mountains all around it. I was somewhere between the age 4/5 when my family went down to the cliffs to Cliff Jump all day. This was back in the late 80's early 90's. Since I was so little I didn't do the cliff jumping with my siblings. I was allowed to play around the cliffs as long as I stayed in eyesight. This was a really safe place with families that just camped in designated camping sections. Well as little kids do, I was a wanderer. My Dad had given me a whistle in case I got lost so I could blow it and he'd know where I was. I was just walking along the cliffs (which wrap around the entire Gorge) playing like little kids do. I obviously wasn't paying attention, so when I looked up I realized I couldn't see my family, and I could no longer recognize the cliffs. It started getting darker and darker until dusk hit. I was blowing my whistle but no Dad came running. I remember being pretty close to the cliff edge but kind of hidden in the trees. I remembered that I wasn't supposed to move once I got lost. Right around sunset I noticed all the sounds had stopped. I couldn't hear the waves crashing along the cliffs, the bugs had stopped chirping, and the trees stood silent. I could feel something watching me. I remember looking across the Gorge (about 100 feet) and saw this big black creature on 2 legs that resembled a gorilla I'd seen at the zoo staring at me. I'll never forget the fear that came over me. I remember it's eyes, and the meanness in it's face so distinctly. I instantly stopped blowing my whistle and I just crouched down, covered my head in between my legs and just begged God to send my Dad to me. I'll never forget the next moment. It felt like it took a lifetime but like it happened instantly at the same time. Arms wrapped around me and my dad's voice whispered "keep your eyes closed and be quiet" and he took off running. I just clutched onto him until the noises came back before I dated look up. I remember him calmly telling me that I was okay, and I was safe. It took us forever to get back to camp because by the time we got there, the sky was black, and EVERYONE from the entire campground was searching for me with flashlights. I don't know how but apparently I had been gone since about noon and it was between 830 and 9 from what my family and Dad have told me. My brother's and Dad remember it vividly. My Dad remembers the creature and my brothers remember me being lost. I'll never forget it. I'll mostly never forget the fear and his eyes."

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:14Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better...

• 1:16Speaker 02

  Sir?

• 1:17Speaker 03

  See ya!

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:19Speaker 03

  Get somebody out here.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:21Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:25Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Uh-oh.

• 1:31Speaker 04

  Hi, I'm Becky. And I'm Mercedes. We're looking for a guy with big feet, 6'8", brown eyes, always hides. We found him on our favorite podcast. Sasquatch Chronicles!

• 2:06Wes Germer?

  Happy New Year, everyone. Thanks for being here. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be speaking with Jill, and Jill's from Utah. She had this encounter in a place called The Flaming Gorge. It's kind of in eastern Utah when she was a child. This happened back in the late 80s. It's a terrifying account, but 34 years later, her parents bought this huge ranch on the opposite side of the mountain where Skinwalker Ranch is. She describes an encounter with other witnesses, including her father, her mother, her husband, and I'll kind of let her go into it tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the

• 2:48Wes Germer?

  show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. You know, I've been fighting this weird, strange cold for about the last two weeks, and they say it's whooping cough, but it's a weird cold. It's a very strange cold. I won't go into complaining about it, but I was talking to, or maybe it's too late for that, but I was talking to Brent from the Paranormal Portal Podcast, and he had asked me if I'd been through any strange, weird fog recently. And I have a mountain,

• 3:30Wes Germer?

  you know, basically in my front yard in the Pacific Northwest. We'd call it a hill, but, you know, it always has fog on it in the morning, but to me, it looks like normal fog. Have you guys heard about this mysterious global fog that people are seeing? People describe it thicker than normal fog. It has kind of a weird smell and kind of leaves a weird taste in your mouth?

• 3:58Speaker 06

  Alright, so it's crazy foggy right now.

• 4:05Speaker 06

  But that's not the weird part, okay? Like, number one, it's weird because as it gets later in the day, fog should lighten, dissipate, and it's really not. But the weirdest part is the taste and smell. It smells like, um, after you set off a bunch of fireworks. And like, the taste of the air is... I mean, the only word I can think of is toxic. It's super weird. And so I'm going for my walk, and it's kinda worrying me a little bit. Let me know if you guys are experiencing something like that, that's weird. Yeah, I mean, it smells not right.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  And I've, you know, I mean, I'm 41, I've been through fog. This is something different.

• 4:57Wes Germer?

  And I will say, that fog does look strange behind that guy. I know you guys can't see it, but that fog does kind of have a weird appearance. But I don't know if anything's going on. There's a ton of videos of people showing this. Hopefully, it's people's imaginations. I'm not so sure, though. In very sad news, uh, two Oregon men were found dead in Washington State, uh, after they failed to return from a trip. They were looking for Sasquatch, and it's a 59-year-old and a 37-year-old, and it appears that they died from exposure.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  In Skamania County, two Portland men lost their lives while searching for Bigfoot, reported by our sister station in Portland. On December 25th, the Skamania County Communication Center received a report at 1:00 in the morning. The report said two overdue people had planned to return home on Christmas Eve. A family member reported them missing and endangered. A flock camera helped locate the car associated with the missing men, leading rescue coordinators to Oklahoma Row, that's right near Willard, Washington. A 59-year-old and 57-year-old man were discovered in a heavily wooded area right off the Gifford-Pincho National Forest.

• 6:11Wes Germer?

  And for the locals, they were kind of above, they were north of Carson White Salmon area in the Gifford Pincho.

• 6:21Wes Germer?

  You know, I didn't know the guys, and I don't know why this event is weighing on my soul, but that area is no joke. I know the area well from my days of hunting, and I even got lost up there for a moment. It's not hard to get stuck, it's not hard to get hurt, or worse than that area. And I think about the time these guys went up there is when that major storm hit us. Very tragic, always go prepared.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  Now to some important rescue gear, really helpful stuff here. It was actually stolen, and the timing of this stands out as it happened hours after two Sasquatch hunters were found dead. Ariel Saw joins us live now outside the storage trailer where that was targeted in Skamania County. And Ariel, what's the latest here?

• 7:06Speaker 02

  This is where the thieves cut through the fence, crawled through, to steal life-saving gear, thousands of dollars worth of it.

• 7:14Speaker 06

  We never actually really thought that anybody would target like life-saving equipment like this in a search and rescue, like plainly marked search and rescue.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  The Skamania County Sheriff's Office search and rescue team spent three days searching for the missing Portland men who tragically died while looking for Sasquatch in the Gifford Pincho National Forest on Christmas.

• 7:35Speaker 06

  Everybody went home after that Friday night and rested Saturday. We're all pretty exhausted after that.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  The next day, they found nearly all of their team's rescue equipment was stolen. To have this happen to them after they spent Christmas out in the field, searching for people and returning their loved ones is disgusting to me. Items including custom wilderness medical kits for remote emergencies, rescue kits for hypothermic patients, and an automated external defibrillator. This is stuff that we actually, it's our lifeline.

• 8:08Speaker 06

  It's what we use to try to bring people out safely. They're only valuable to other rescue agencies, and rescue agencies don't buy this stuff secondhand.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  The rescue team says they are all volunteers and don't receive funding from federal, state, or local governments. Every piece of equipment, training, and missions are made possible by donation.

• 8:30Speaker 06

  Oh, it's devastating for us. We use this equipment all the time.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  And because they are so small, and the work that they do, they were unable to

• 8:40Wes Germer?

  receive insurance on their equipment. We use this equipment all the time. We've had seven mission callouts in the last eight weeks. The fact that this was stolen makes it really hard for us to be mission ready. If you'd like to help them rebuild, their GoFundMe is posted on our website at coin.com. Reporting as Kaminia County, Ariel Salk, 46 News. Who steals in the first place, but who steals from search and rescue? I'm starting to lose my faith in humanity. This isn't really how I wanted to start off 2025. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jill to the show. Jill, thanks for coming on.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Wes.

• 9:22Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you had this encounter. We're going back to the late 80s in Utah. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you guys doing and what happened?

• 9:33Speaker 04

  Okay, so my family, there's this massive gorge. It connects to the Green River. There's a lot of cliff jumping around there, a lot of camping. We did a lot of camping growing up. And so Mustang Ridge is a specific campsite that is seated close to these cliffs that range anywhere from 10 feet up to 100, 120 feet. As a little girl, I was not jumping off the cliffs with my siblings. I have three older siblings. My twin brothers are six years older than I am, and my sister is five years older than I am. And so preparing for this trip, my dad had purchased me a whistle.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  And this, this place was really safe. And so as a kid, since I wasn't doing the cliff jumping with my siblings, I was allowed to kind of just play around the cliffs as long as I kept my family in sight. And so as, you know, little kids do, I was wandering and just picking up rocks. I was, I loved the rocks up there. The gorge is kind of all red with really brown rocks and a lot of kind of brush and pine trees. Kind of an enclosed but open space as well. As I was just kind of wandering, I I remember looking up and realizing

• 11:03Speaker 04

  that I no longer could see my family, but not only could I not see my family anymore, I wasn't recognizing the cliff range. And so the this gorge is the cliffs go all the way around it, but there's this specific set of cliffs where the cliff jumping was because it was safe enough to do it there. And I was familiar enough with it because, I mean, we had been down there for days. I I knew the area well by this point, and I I knew that I was lost. So it was it was starting to get kind of dusk. I I mean, I noticed it was starting to get a little darker.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  And I my dad had told me when if you get lost, you stay still and you just blow that whistle and I'll I'll find you. And so I was still along this cliff's edge, but these cliffs were really high up. So I was still kind of, I was, I would say probably

• 12:10Speaker 04

  fifteen, twenty feet away from the cliff's edge, but I could see, you know, over the cliff's edge and into where the gorge was. And um, on the opposite side, probably about from where I was about a hundred, hundred and fifty feet was the space of where there was still water and the cliffs picked up on this on this opposite side and I could see very clearly over that. So I just kind of sat down and started blowing my whistle. And the first thing I noticed was I couldn't, the the waves kind of had stopped crashing, like I couldn't hear the sounds of the waves hitting the cliffs.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  And then the bug noise dropped and the trees stopped swaying. And I just remember it being silent and very eerie and

• 13:09Speaker 04

  As my heart starts to race because this is such a vivid memory. When all of the, this, the noises went silent, I felt being watched. We're all very familiar with that feeling of when, when there are eyes on you, when something's watching you and a person's watching you, when something's watching you. And I felt that. And I stopped blowing my whistle. And I looked up and across this gorge, like I said, about a hundred to a hundred and fifty feet.

• 13:50Speaker 04

  I saw what to me looked like an ape that I had seen at a zoo. But it was standing like a man and, and it was massive and it was black and dark. It had these piercing orange, almost amber. They felt fluorescent eyes and they just pierced into me like I felt such utter horror. Fear that I can't even describe.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  And I remember I, as a little girl, crouched down, put my head in between my legs and my hands over my head and my ears and just sat there. I was terrified and just praying that my dad would find me. I'll never forget that, just being like, find me dad. And it must have, I don't know i- if it was minutes, if it was seconds, if it was, I don't know how long it was. It felt like forever, but it also felt like it was instantaneously, um.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  These hands scooped me up and told me to keep my head down and to be quiet, that I was safe. And he took off running, and it was my dad. And he had, he had found me, scooped me up, clearly had seen what I had seen, and just so swiftly took off running. And I remember the noises of the forest hadn't come back yet. It it had to have been, man, what seemed like, it probably was not more than a minute, but it it seemed like a lot longer than that as a little girl,

• 15:56Speaker 04

  before the noises came back and before I finally had the courage to look up and see my dad's face. And he just kept saying, as he was running, and whilst he was running in the opposite direction of this creature, is so fast, like, it it was, it was this urgency that I knew that this was dangerous, and we needed to get out of there quickly. And so as the noises started to come back, and I looked up at him, I remember just clutching him like he was my, he he was my Superman. He had come and saved me from this creature that

• 16:39Speaker 04

  he was just evil. And I say he because I I I just remember it was, it was, it wasn't that I I saw genitalia or anything, it was just clearly a man. It was, it was clearly, um, muscles, his, it's like the muscles, the way the body was built, it was clearly a male creature. But I didn't know what it was. So as we were running back, I remember it took a long time because what happened at dusk, and before we finally got back to the campsite, it was dark.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  I know that when we finally got back, uh, the streetlights at the campsite were on because they had little streetlights. And everyone was out searching with their flashlights, everyone, the entire campsite was out searching for me. And we got back and my dad put me down. And my brothers came and asked if I was okay. And I remember my dad was just. He was clearly shaken and we've, and he and I have spoken of it. Since then, um, he's actually, he will only speak about it with me. Because I think it's still terrifying for him, um.

• 17:58Speaker 04

  To see what he saw and to feel what I felt. And I know that if I felt what I felt for him to.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  Be taking his child out of this and running, that he had to have been terrified. And I remember I, I got back to the camp, my brothers were around me. My mom was, I mean, she was hysterical. She was so grateful I was back. But I remember my dad went for a walk. He just, he just had to go and walk by himself, which is, is very like my dad. Um, he, he processes things alone. And we didn't, we didn't speak of it, um, in really details, just that I. That whole rest of that trip, he made sure that I wasn't out of sight and that we didn't go back.

• 18:52Speaker 04

  Anywhere near that area. I don't know. How far I was. I don't know where I was. I don't know how he found me, um. But we stayed very close to camp. We stayed very close to the cliffs and. It was just a very, like, he was very cautious for the rest of that trip.

• 19:15Wes Germer?

  Jeez, what a scary encounter. I kind of want to ask you about descriptions, kind of what you saw. Before I do that, you know, in the very beginning, you were talking about the forest going quiet. And a lot of eyewitnesses experienced that. And I know what you mean, but I think sometimes people listening think, oh, it just gets quiet because there's a predator around. Would you kind of describe that silence?

• 19:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. So I'm a country girl. I was raised out in the forest. We did camping, everything. So you're very familiar with the sounds, at least I am. But if I was explaining it to someone, you hear crickets, you hear chirping, dusk is falling, there's a breeze in the air. And you can hear that breeze. I mean, you hear wind, you hear the trees, you hear the bristles of the trees. As they bristle, you hear, you know, the noises of whatever animals might be going to sleep or coming out at that time of night. And in a scourge because of where I was, the waves, you could hear the, you can hear the waves

• 20:23Speaker 04

  crash against the cliffs and very, very clearly. So there's a lot of noise, which is why, you know, I had that whistle, you blow that whistle, it's gonna, it's gonna pierce up above, above all those noises so that my dad would be able to hear me no matter where I was, right? And so as, as everything went silent, it was, it was almost like one step after one step would just slowly turn off, like you're turning. So the, the crickets were going on mute and then the waves were going on mute. And then the last thing that you, that, that stopped was the movement in the air and the wind.

• 21:08Speaker 04

  And when the sounds of trees and, and that nightly wind coming up off the gorge stops, it's an audible stop. It's an audible mute. It's a, it's a very loud silence, if that makes sense. And you can, you can feel it.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  Throughout your entire body, you're it's almost like your brain, it's almost like you're underwater. And your brain's not understanding why it can't hear sounds. So it's it's almost a distortion of this is not normal. This is different. And I don't understand why it's gone silent. Did that did that answer the question?

• 21:58Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it does. I think describing it like being underwater is probably one of the best descriptions I've heard. You know, I talked to a lot of kids off the air, you know, small children, they'll describe it like a gorilla. You know, they'll call it Gorilla Man or Monkey Man. And I realize all of this happened to you very, very quickly. But when you were looking at this creature, what were some things that kind of stood out to you? Would you kind of describe what you saw?

• 22:29Speaker 04

  Absolutely. But no, I'm no, I'll never I'll never forget the face specifically. And I and I think that I felt more immediately like a gorilla man because of the the shape, but the face was not was not of an ape. And you're familiar with the Dogman versus Sasquatch, right? That how they they have a more of a snout.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  Just more of a of a canine mixed with a human mixed with an ape face. It's just it's a different. It's almost like it was almost like closer to a werewolf face than an ape, but more of like an ape body like like if that makes sense. So it was. I remember it was it was huge. It was huge. And I I remember the the chest on it like I I remember thinking and that's why I thought a gorilla man because you know how gorillas have that big chest that they pound right like

• 23:35Speaker 04

  that big chest that you can see and I remember seeing like the dark dark muscles and covered in hair but it was just it was massive it was massive and as it was standing there it just there was no way because of how it was standing it clearly wasn't an and and even as my little girl brain I knew that's not that's not a zoo creature it's also not a man but I don't know what it is I I just know that it looks similar to certain things

• 24:16Speaker 04

  it didn't look like a bear to me um as I have as I've grown up and and a lot from your show and just on YouTube and and looking at these creatures it it resembled more of of the dog man's snout kind of face but just huge and muscly and ripped and kind of not not like super furry like a bear I mean it wasn't it wasn't that it was it was just kind of it it looked like scrag like shaggy like a like a I don't even know

• 24:54Speaker 04

  how to phrase this like the hair was longer and unkempt it it was it was just dirty and rugged and clearly an animal of some sort but also clearly had um features of a human.

• 25:14Wes Germer?

  Oh, I got you. Yeah, when I read through your email, I was kind of thinking it was a Sasquatch, but you actually ran into a dog man.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, Wes. That's exactly what it was and and I say that just because.

• 25:30Speaker 04

  When when I you see a side by side comparison and I know what I saw it is it is burned like I like I talked about yesterday it is burned into my brain is burned into my being I will never forget what I saw and it was terrifying because it was not the only thing it it was like where did you come from you're not of this world I couldn't I couldn't understand it in my brain and and my dad as we've talked about it over the years um it's very, very difficult for him to talk about because it causes him

• 26:13Speaker 04

  fear to talk about it he he remembers the eyes um he remembers that it looked like more of a werewolf than um a bear or a gorilla it was just that kind of features if that makes sense like we both it was terrifying it was it was a creature that shouldn't exist in this world and yet it did and I couldn't make sense of it.

• 26:42Wes Germer?

  And you mentioned the eyes being kind of a reddish color. Were those eyes glowing or was it more or less kind of like a reflection?

• 26:51Speaker 04

  They weren't red they were like an amber color they were kind of a mix of yellow and orange um so I guess that's red but more of like an amber color. And no they were it it because it was dusk it wasn't the sun was not the sun wouldn't have hit it like that it was like I could see them as if they were flashlights super close to me from so far away like they were they were glowing they were piercing they were they were terrifying they were bright they were shiny they were and and they were they were terrifying.

• 27:34Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it sounds like it. Did the creature make any sort of movements or any sort of gestures towards you or was it did it seem like it was just a shock to see you as you seeing it?

• 27:48Speaker 04

  No, it was it was not shocked to see me it had it was it was very apparent that it was watching me that

• 27:58Speaker 04

  That it was, it was predatory. He didn't, I don't remember any movements, but I remember when cause so let me see if I can describe this. So it's not that he was crouching down because he didn't, when he, when he made a full step up, he didn't, he, he didn't get that much taller. So it wasn't that he was crouching down, but he was kind of hunched because he was keeping in line with the, the trees that were by him because he was hiding back in those trees, if that makes sense. So when I saw him first, like I told you, I felt him. I felt being washed. Um, but

• 28:38Speaker 04

  because he was kind of camouflaged with the, the, the shade of the cliffs, the, the trees that were around him, it was kind of like he was shaded. So when he stood up or, or stood to full length, when we made eye contact, because it was when we made eye contact, that it was, okay, now I'm going to show you a hundred percent who I am or what I am. It wasn't that he moved towards me. It wasn't that he, you know, moved his arms or ran towards me or made a movement. It was just a simple, from kind of crouching down, maybe what like

• 29:20Speaker 04

  five, six inches to a very visible step up to the point where he was like, this is me. This is, I see you, you see me and it's very, very obvious that I see you. And it was predatory. It was, I don't know what he was thinking, but it was dangerous. Like I knew that I was in danger. I felt it. Um, and that's why I tried to get as small and down to the ground as possible because I was trying to hide so that he couldn't see me. Um, but I remember even after

• 30:01Speaker 04

  I crouched down, like I still remember that visible just staring at me, which is why I put my head in my hands and covered my ears because everything about it was so scary that I was trying to get as small and little as possible so that he would just stop looking at me. And I didn't want to make eye contact with him again. Um, cause it was, it was that. It was it was almost like an instinct with him like it was something that he was he was ready to come after me. Um, yeah, it was predatory and instinctual. That's the only way that I can describe it and how it felt.

• 30:46Wes Germer?

  Yeah, your dad really is Superman. My child or any child or my dog Teddy, that would be the extent of the list of people I would get in front of or get in between a dog man and someone else. I mean, anyone else, you're on your own. Godspeed. I wish you well. But your dad really is Superman. I mean, later in life, did he um, did he tell you what from his perspective, what he saw?

• 31:14Speaker 04

  So, uh, it was interesting. So we've we've only talked about this a handful of times, Wes, because like I said, he it's very it's it's hard for him to talk about. But he remembers feeling that he needed to get me out of there. He remembers, uh, it wasn't like he he heard my whistle and he's brought this up. He said that I just it was almost like I was being led to where you were. Um, cause he said, there's no way that I should have found you. Um, there was no way. I I don't think I mentioned this. Um, we went down to Cliff Jump at at

• 31:59Speaker 04

  around eleven thirty noon. And by the time that he or that this happened was dusk. So that was a lot of time that I not only have wandered far off, but was lost and just missing in action. Right? I was just gone. And he he remembers that he just felt like he was being guided to exactly where I was. And when he found me and he saw it, he he said, I needed to get out of there. We needed to get out of there immediately. We needed to get out of danger because he felt that danger.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  He felt the silence in the woods. He felt um because he's even called it an audible silence. That that that feeling that you feel with every bit of your body. And um the only thing that he could think of, he didn't have, he didn't have a gun on him or anything. He wasn't expecting to come upon this in the woods, you know, he was, he was looking for his baby girl. And so when he saw this and he saw me terrified, he's his first instinct was to protect me. And that's always been my dad when it comes to me, like make her feel safe and I will deal with whatever I have to deal with.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  And it will make her feel safe. And so when he told me like, don't look up, just keep your eyes down like we're gonna go. Um, that's all he was thinking was I need to get her out of here and me out of here now because this is scary. This is dangerous and I am not equipped to handle whatever that is that I just saw.

• 33:43Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's terrifying. You know, almost every witness I've spoken with, the the first thing they say when they talk about seeing this dog man, and I wish we had a different name for it, but the first thing they always say is, you know, um, I felt like it was gonna kill me. It felt evil. It felt demonic. That's a scary account. It really is. Tell me thirty four years later, um, your folks buy a ranch and I know that you guys had seen uh something out there. We're going back to twenty twenty three. If you would, start from the beginning and kind of walk me into this whole encounter.

• 34:21Speaker 04

  Okay, so uh my parents, as when they retired, bought a ranch. Um, it's between a hundred and fifty to two hundred acre ranch uh down in.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  Southeast Utah. It's called Spring City. And interesting enough, this, the mountain range that connects with the Flaming Gorge Mountain Range and up through Vernal is the same mountain range that connects with my dad's ranch. It also connects with, it's the same mountain range that will feed into the Skinwalker Ranch, if you're familiar with that, which I know you are. So it's, it's a, it's, it's this whole long eastern Utah kind of mountain range. And when I say mountain, it's not mountain like if you've ever been to Utah, like the, the Wasatch Mountains. This is more, this is more a lot of like boulder fills.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  So a lot of boulders with sagebrush pine trees. Steep, steep rocky surfaces that from the ranch, from where the, the, the ranch house is to where you know, get on a quad and go up, there's

• 35:38Speaker 04

  from the ranch to where the second thing happened is about forty feet and then to go up to where you get to the top of this first little mountain. It's about, it's about another thirty or so feet. So again, it was dusk, my husband and I were down there during the summer with my mom and dad just spending a weekend. And my mom and I were in the kitchen, just doing dishes, just talking. And the kitchen has a window that looks up onto this boulder, the, the boulder mountain that goes up.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  And Chief, the, the Border Collie dog, started just freaking out. He was, he was losing it and he bolted out of the house. My mom and I both looked up and, and, and I kind of was like, what is that? She goes, oh, oh, oh, no, it's a, it's a bear. And, and being terrified that Chief was gonna get eaten, she ran out after him. So she ran around the kitchen island out to the back porch and she just took off towards where Chief was running. By the time she got out of the house, I saw this thing.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  Go from, from what looks like a black bear, right? Like a, a short, short little black bear to standing up. And this thing looked very different. Um, also similar, but, but very different than what I saw in Flaming Gorge. Um, this was, this was more of a man with a, a, a kind of like a, I don't want to say a cone shaped head, but it kind of, it, it, it just had a weird

• 37:38Speaker 04

  shape to the, to the top of the head, because I remember that distinctly. Um, and so I, when I saw this thing stand up, I, I, I knew instantly what it was. And so I ran out and like from the first story, I told you, my mom tends to be a little hysterical, so I was trying to be calm. I grabbed, um, the shotgun and walked out on the porch and I said, Mom, stop. And she goes, what is it, a bear? And I said, it's not a bear, Mom, stop, come back, come back, Mom. And by this being time I had walked down and she started to walk back.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  And then, um, I, I had the gun and that's when this thing in, man, it, it seemed like three steps and I, and I'm not, I'm not joking when I say that, like three steps, it had faced this mountain and, and gotten up this thirty foot face of this, of this rock and was gone, Wes. I mean, it, it was gone. And we got out there and, and my husband had come out. He, he actually reminded me of this, uh, the other day when we were talking, because I wanted to get his side of the story as well. And we got out there, my dad had, my dad was out there by now.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  And, um, there's cougars in this area, just for, just for knowledge. Um, we ran into cougars before, we know what they sound like. And he, he said he heard what almost mimicked a cougar hiss, but so loud that it echoed through the entire valley.

• 39:27Speaker 04

  And and he said, he goes, did you guys hear that? Um, my and my dad's, my dad has a hard time hearing. He goes, heard what? And then as it was kind of going up, it made another hiss that was very, very loud. My husband said something along the lines of, you had to have heard that. And then by the time it had gotten out of, out of range where we could no longer see it when it was up that mountain. It was the only way that um, my husband and I have been able to describe it was this massive bellow whoop sound.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  And we're familiar with this now because uh, it happens quite a bit down at the ranch. Um, but it was, it was loud. And again, echoed through the valley. It was, it was like a thunderous noise. And so we all came back in the, in the ranch house. Um, that was, that was it for the night. We were, we were not gonna go and look um, for it. My husband and I said that we would go and do that on the quads the next day. So the next day, um, me being the one that saw this thing stand up, we went out to where he was crouching, where he stood up and I'm five nine.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  My husband's five ten. We were standing and from where his head hit, the top of where his head hit, I could not, I, I couldn't reach it. And neither could my husband like reach, you know, with our hands. We couldn't reach it. And so um, I estimate that it was uh, between ten to twelve feet. Um, that somewhere in there. And it was, there was a very distinct, there's not a, I'm not gonna say a footprint, because it wasn't a footprint. It was a very distinct hill. Um, it was that heavy, you could see a hill print. And then you could see a toe print. And there was, there was dark hair um, around the area.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  My husband and I got on the quads and, and went up this mountain and, and we saw um, hair for a, a good number of yards. And little impressions as we as we made our way back up. And the interesting thing is this this mountain that he he jumped up. When you're up there on the quads, this is again interesting about my dad. My dad rarely goes out on this mountain and and very few of us do, even though they own all the land and it actually connects to a national park about a mile into it. So it it levels out when you get above this this mountain base.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  And then in the distance, that's when the the tall mountains come into it. And it's just all pine trees. You're very exposed when you get to the top where you can go with the quads. And every single person in my family, my my siblings and my my parents, we have all expressed a feeling that you can feel. You feel like something's watching you when you're on top of those that mountain, which is why we don't go up there a lot because you feel watched. Um, again, it'll be weird where the noises will go silent.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Uh, like I described earlier, the forest noises will go silent. Um, and then they'll come back. It's just, it's just very odd. Uh, so so, yeah, so that's that you just had this feeling of being watched so much. So that my dad actually installed. There's no one that lives next to him. There's no, I mean, there for miles, there's no one around. And he installed this massive street light on his property. And he also installed these solar lights all across this mountain.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  After this experience, those solar lights, which solar lights don't die when they're, you know, with getting solar power. They just slowly started disappearing. And so that's when he he had the streetlight put in and the streetlights very close to the ranch. Where these solar lights were put all across the mountain and he did that so that he would be able to see his property. Um, but it's very clear that there's something that doesn't want to be seen out there. So after the these solar lights started going missing. My dad, my dad raises dogs. He raises Samoyed dogs. They're

• 44:17Speaker 04

  they're not the smartest dogs. They're really sweet. They're really white. They're really fluffy. Um, they look like little snowballs. And it was December. So this happened in the summer. Um, probably I would say July or August where my mom and I saw it from the house. And then in uh, late November, early December. One of the Samoyed uh, dogs had just had a litter of puppies the day before. And she was let out to go to go urinate and disappeared. And when I say disappeared, like there, like I said, there have been cougars on this land. You you you know when a cougar eats something, there's a kill site. There these are fluffy white dogs.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  There's going to be a kill site. There's going to be fur. There's going to be. I mean, there's going to be evidence that a cougar got this dog and and I know how close the cougars come because I have seen one from the porch. I have seen one on the quad. Um, I came around a corner. It's right there. So these cougars get close. So you would see what happened to this dog. And my parents searched for that dog for days, if not a week or more. They searched that mountain on the quads and never found a trace of her. So after that, my dad installed these alarms.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  And they're really close to the house. They kind of surround the property. Um, they're, they're an eyesight. And when I say eyesight, because when it's a, it's a motion sensor, when something crosses this invisible boundary, these red and blue lights start, uh, just going off and a siren, like a police sirens starts to well. And he has these all around the ranch now, very close to where the dogs are very close to the ranch house. Because the solar lights were going missing along the mountain. And so he knew that he needed protection for his dogs and, uh, and everything down there.

• 46:26Speaker 04

  And so it's really interesting. These, these alarms will go off really only at dusk or in the middle of the night. Um, and you will be sitting in the house or you'll be sitting on the porch in the summer and they just start freaking out. And it always, again, it's, it's always interesting how quiet everything gets when one of these alarms goes off. Like it's just, everything just goes quiet. But yeah, so that, that's, those are kind of some of the, those are the two experiences that I've had with, with these things.

• 47:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I feel really bad for your, uh, folks being out there and kind of dealing with this. And you know, it really pisses me off, uh, when you hear about them killing dogs. I've always said, you know, if one of these things killed my dog, I would disappear from civilization into the forest and I would become the most non-threatening, curious thing on the planet to draw them in. And then I would kill them all and let God figure it out. Or we can all go together. I wouldn't be trying to prove anything to science, just who the main character is. No need for their stupid samurai chatter or wood knocks for communication. Uh, they're going to need a Ouija board to contact their family members that cross my path. And fear and grief can kind of transform into rage very quickly.

• 47:57Wes Germer?

  I probably burned the forest down after that to flush out any stragglers I missed. The universe would fill me and my broken heart for my dog Teddy. That's for sure. I probably shouldn't have said that out loud. I'm sure I sound crazy.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  No, not at all. No, it was, it was, it was tragic. It was, it was awful. I mean, these, these dogs are, they're a family, you know? And it's interesting because Chief, the Border Collie, he's so smart and there's a, there's a, a very clear difference between the Samoyed dogs and Chief, where Chief is kind of the corrugated. These Samoyed dogs, they are loving, they run up to anything. They're, they're energetic, they're happy. And they always come home. They always come home. And they don't ever really leave the area. Um, and so, so yeah, it was, it was clear that something had taken it.

• 48:55Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I'm sorry to hear about your dogs. I hate to hear that. Uh, can I ask you, when you were looking out the window and you guys saw this thing, how far away from you was it?

• 49:06Speaker 04

  So about thirty to forty feet. So it's, um, from, from the, the porch, from the, so the kitchen and the, and the back of the house are all kind of connected. So the, the, the back door is right next to the kitchen and there's the back porch. And so from where the, you stepped down from the porch to where this thing was, I would say, oh, no, no, sorry, not thirty or forty feet. I would say thirty to forty yards, uh, about that, about that length of space. Thirty to forty feet is the mountain that goes up. So it's about thirty, I'd say thirty yards. But it was, yeah, so it was about thirty yards from, from where we could see it.

• 49:47Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's still pretty close. I mean, you're talking ninety to a hundred and twenty feet. Uh, when you were looking at this thing, did it remind you of that creature that you saw when you were a little girl? Or did it look different?

• 50:02Speaker 04

  This, this was more of a Sasquatch creature. It, it, it did not remind me of anything of the creature I saw in a flaming gorge. This was so different. Um, the, the, the build was different. The muscles were different. The color was a little bit different. Um, this one, like I said, it had more of a cone head. It had more of a, a, a more of a human like face. Um, the build of it was different. It was more man than, than the creature I saw flaming gorge. It was, they were, they were very different, but this one it was definitely more of

• 50:42Speaker 04

  the Sasquatch that everyone is familiar with. Like the one that if you typed in Sasquatch on Google and pull it up or, you know, like, like the Patty. It's like that, except it's the male version, right? It's the male version of Patty. And so it's very a Sasquatch-esque looking creature.

• 51:00Wes Germer?

  Can I ask you Jill, your opinion on why you think it came in so close to the house? Cause this is still daytime.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, so it was right at about desk. So, I mean, it was, you could see it. You could see it and you could see it clearly. Um, the, the sun hadn't set yet. And the only thing I can think of, um, because like I said, those alarms go off all the time. And so you've got to imagine that it's probably coming close all the time. For the animals, there's also deer on this mountain. There's wild turkeys that are covering my parents ranch. Um, close to the house, there's turkeys everywhere. Um, my dad can hunt off his porch if he wanted to.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  Like there's, there's food available. There's dogs. There's, um, there's a lot of food sourced down there. That's the only thing that I can think of because since the alarms have gone up and, and they're constantly going off when it's hard to see where they are. That's the only thing I can think of is that they're coming in either because.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  They were, they're hungry, they're looking for something, or they were curious, but this was, it, this was different. When this one, um, this had a very different feeling as well. Like I told you, uh, inflaming gorge, it was predatory. It was, it was danger and this, this was scary. Um, it was scary, but I didn't feel like my, I, I don't know. It, it was a very different feeling. It was almost like this guy was like, oh, okay. They saw me. I got caught. Time to get out of here. Right? Um, so curious food? I don't know, but it, it didn't feel the danger that I

• 52:55Speaker 04

  felt as a little girl. And, um, yeah, so I, I, I still don't know.

• 53:02Wes Germer?

  You know, the, the hissing noise that you were describing earlier? Gosh, it's been years since I've heard that. Uh, but as this thing was going up a cliff, was it this thing hissing? Or was it something separate?

• 53:15Speaker 04

  No, that it was this thing hissing at us, which was so interesting because it was almost like it was mimicking a cougar hiss. It, it was, but it was so much louder and it was piercing, but it was hissing and it was hissing because we were, I mean, my mom was coming at it. We were, we were all coming out of the porch. I, I imagine I had to feel threatened. I don't know if they know what it got our, but I clearly had a shotgun in my hand. Like it was, i- if it was feeling that its life was in danger. And so it did the meanest thing or the scariest thing that he could do. And it was, it was terrifying. It was, it was a hiss and it was two hisses and

• 54:00Speaker 04

  it was loud and piercing. Um, and that's the only thing that I can think of is it was like, okay, they're, they're coming after me. So I'm going to try to scare them so I can get away as quickly as possible.

• 54:15Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's been years since I've heard of that, of them hissing or eyewitnesses reporting that. Uh, that is fascinating. It would hiss at you. Uh, let me ask you, when you guys were looking at it through the window and it's 30 to 40 yards away, what are some things that kind of stood out to you as far as details?

• 54:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, um, the, the mass of it, the, the shoulder, I mean, the

• 54:42Speaker 04

  The the shoulder width of this thing, when it stood up, the it was it was huge on top. It was huge. Um, and kind of it its gait was really interesting. Um, how long that his arms were were very long when it stood. Cause when it stood up, I mean, it stood up quick and it was it was I'm up and I'm out of here. Um, but I I know exactly where it hit. I know the the tree, I know the height that it hit. I I can picture it exactly right now. And so, yeah, the um, even though even though it was close, because uh, how the sun sets,

• 55:26Speaker 04

  this is at the back of the ranch and the sun sets on the opposite side. So I couldn't make out clear details of the face. But um, but the the cone head, because I remember, and when I say cone head, I don't mean like the the show. I mean, like I had a just more of a head that came to a slope. So that and then just the length of its arms, the its gait. Um, and when I say gait, it's it's almost like I I I call it a cowboy stance. Like it's it's legs, looks like it it could ride a horse if it wanted to.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  The the way that it stood up was very kind of, you know, like when a a bodybuilder will lift its his weights up and he pushes the length of his legs out, right? And and they kind of broaden out a little bit to readjust the weight from standing up, right? So his gait was very different. Um, then I I'm comparing it to the to the dogman that I saw before. But just the the chest and the shoulders and the arms and the the cone shaped head are the things that stand out to me the most. Um, also, the hair on this was was different. So the one that I saw on flaming gorge.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  It wa- it was just different. You could see more of the pectoral muscles, more of the the lats, more of, you know, uh, all of that. Like it was, it was very defined. And I'm not saying this was, wasn't defined. It was just more of just a big, a big creature with a massive chest and, and big, but it wasn't, it wasn't ripped. Like the, the thing that I saw in flaming gorge, like it, it looked like a worm. It was, it was ripped and this thing was just big and beefy and huge.

• 57:27Wes Germer?

  Was there anything about it that reminded you of a man? Or did it just kind of appear to be kind of a weird looking gorilla?

• 57:35Speaker 04

  No, it, it absolutely reminded me of a human. It reminded me of a very massive man. Uh, at least, at least when it stood up. When I, when I say, uh, the cowboy gate, I'm not, I'm not saying like he sways from side to side. It's just that his, his hips and legs were coming out further. But it reminds me, like I said, I'm, I'm a country girl. I'm raised around cowboys. It reminded me of, of when a cowboy stands up. And, um, but no, it was, it was definitely, it was definitely very humanistic in its traits. Um, it, it resembled a man

• 58:17Speaker 04

  very much so, um, as far as if you were to see a, a very big bod- bodybuilder that was kind of lightish brown, reddish, dark brown, like just different shades of brown, right? And, and mixed with a little bit of red. It definitely resembled a man while at the same time resembling a creature. And I don't, I don't like to compare it to an ape because it didn't remind me of an ape or a gorilla. Um, it reminded me more of like a Neanderthal, if that makes sense.

• 58:58Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that does make sense. You know, since that incident, have your folks, um, heard any strange vocalizations out there? Um, you know, your dad or your mother, as far as an animal they couldn't place?

• 59:12Speaker 04

  Um, so he hasn't, my mom, my mom has, my dad, my dad struggles with his hearing. Um, and so he doesn't hear things quite as well. Unless they're, they're pretty close, but my mom, uh, has definitely heard things. She's seen things. She's seen weird, weird stuff out there. Um, and she, she, so my mom doesn't sleep a lot. She's normally, she's one of those people that goes to bed at four AM then wakes up at seven AM. And when it's, when it's night at the ranch, it's, it's black. Um, other than that street light that my dad put in, it's, it's dark.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  And you can hear everything because there's nothing around you and it echoes in that valley. Their house, the ranch house sits in the valley. Surrounded by those, those mountains. So it's, it sits in a valley. So if there is something on those mountains or anywhere nearby, you hear it. Many, many times she has heard whooping in the middle of the night. She has heard, um, in her words, what it sounds like gibberish. I, I've asked her to explain that, but the only thing that she can explain is it sounds like gibberish. Uh,

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  and a lot of times that gibberish is followed by one of the alarms going off, the sirens. Um, so that, the, when she's heard the gibberish, she says it's a lot closer. But when she's heard like whooping or, or yelling, or how she described it, she, she describes it as a, like a, a guttural noise, like, uh, something that you would have to take a deep breath in to, to get out. But she can hear that. And she says that it sounds like an echo, uh, from wherever it is because it echoes throughout the valley. It's so loud. But those are, those are the things that she's heard.

• 1:01:16Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that gibberish. You gotta play your mother the Ron Moorhead Sierra sounds and kind of see if that's what she heard. You know, a lot of people, when they have these things on their property, they will light the place up. And I've had eyewitnesses that have tried that and they'll smash the bulbs out or the lights vanish, kind of like what's happening to your dad. You know, what I'd recommend is, is get some trail cams and get them off Amazon for cheap. Don't spend like 200 bucks on them. I think I saw one on Amazon the other day. It was really nice for like 30 bucks. You don't need expensive ones, but I would get the trail cams. I'd get a bunch of them and I would place them where your

• 1:01:58Wes Germer?

  dad has all those noise machines set up. And I really think it'll stop them from coming in. Kind of a goofy theory that they can see the IR light. And you know, your normal wildlife, not this freak show we're talking about here, your normal wildlife sees them. You'll see where they walk right up to the trail cam. And on some of these trail cams, you can actually from your phone, see what set the trail cam off. Many eyewitnesses report these things backing off when people set up trail cams. That's what, you know, would be my advice. You know, when I was in Vernal, Utah for Phenomicon, I was kind of shocked. Everyone in Utah has seen a UFO. Not everyone's seen Bigfoot, but it seemed like everyone

• 1:02:42Wes Germer?

  had seen UFOs. And you know, normally when people have these things on their property, I won't say normally, generally speaking, most of the time, people also see these weird lights. Have you guys seen the lights out there on the property yet?

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  Yes. So, so I wasn't sure if we were gonna talk about that, but I'm glad you brought that up because when I said that my mom has seen strange things, that's exactly what she has seen. She has seen weird lights. I have seen, and my husband has seen these too, kind of like a white, kind of a, a white floating bubble that's white. I don't know how to describe it.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  But it's it's white, almost see-through, um, very fluid in motion. That's why I say it's like a bubble. Um, but my mom has seen red UFO lights. Um, she has seen really weird uh, beams of light in the night. Um, like I said, she doesn't sleep a lot. And so, yeah, she sees things all night long and she'll see them sometimes up on the mountain. And so she'll just see uh, a bit of light, but she has had the experience. One that she um, told me about with a lot of detail was

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  this red UFO looking thing with lights that kind of came in a circular manner, red, red lights that kind of went in a circular manner. And that was right above where they put in the streetlights. So kind of between where the Sasquatch was and where the ranch house is, it's just kind of open space there. You can have a campfire there. It's just kind of open space. There's a lot of, um, my dad farms a lot, so there's a lot of uh, peach trees and everything. So just kind of, it's just open land of of trees and and farmland. And um,

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  it just kind of hovered right above there where the dogs and the ranch house were, but in this open area. And she said that it stayed for around four minutes. And then as if it was gone in an instant, it was just gone. But yeah, definitely has seen some UFO type things and and weird lights and and beams and like the orcs that I told you that I seen.

• 1:05:12Wes Germer?

  When your mom said beams of light, was it something going from like the ground to the sky or vice versa?

• 1:05:19Speaker 04

  So I I I don't, I don't know shit because the beams of light that she has described were up um, on the top of that mountain space, right? And so she'll either just be in the kitchen and she'll just notice uh, a a white light, right? That if it's like a beam of light, she she has never made it clear if it goes from the sky to the ground or the ground to the sky, but she just notices that that's this beam of light that's there and then it's gone. And then, you know, that does. Did I explain that okay like where it's just shot there and then it's gone. But she's she's never been clear if it goes from the ground to the light because those beams of light that she has seen were mainly

• 1:06:05Speaker 04

  on the top of where we went exploring on the claws on that flat land that's up surrounded by the mountainous area.

• 1:06:14Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I guess it's kind of it would be kind of hard for your mom to answer that question. If I saw a beam of light, it's probably happening so quick, I couldn't tell you if it was coming up or going down. I was looking at trail cams here. It's a nice one here for thirty bucks. There's one here for sixty. And it actually has three IR lights that two left and right that go out at a forty five degree angle. And then the third one is straight ahead. That'll definitely get them to to back off. I understand why your dad set up that whole sound alarm for to kind of alert him, you know, if something's nearby. But I don't think that alarm is going to scare them off. The trail cam, I think, will.

• 1:06:56Wes Germer?

  You know, I wanted to ask you, I was gonna ask you what you thought Bigfoot was and what kind of what you thought Sasquatch was. But kind of going back to that moment in time when you were a little girl. And then now as an adult seeing this other thing. Do you think that there's a relation or or correlation between the Sasquatch and the Dogman? And I realize their appearances are very different, but do you feel like they're they might be related to each other? It's kind of a weird question.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  So this is this is based really on how I felt in those two experiences. Because if we're going off looks, yes, I could see how they could be related as as much as as we could be related to the Sasquatch, right? Like, so, yeah, I understand that, but based purely on on what I felt.

• 1:07:52Speaker 04

  The Dogman was a completely different beast than the Sasquatch was. Um, and, and if they come from the same family, I, I don't even understand because the feeling and the feeling in the forest, the feeling in, at the ranch, everything was so different. And such polar opposites. I'm not talking about how they look. I'm talking about how it made me feel. Um, and for one to be able to instill such fear and predation

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  and have such animalistic instincts versus one that I almost, it almost came across as being curious or needing something that was down there that, that like I, like I said, I didn't feel like it was in danger. So I, I'm sure, I'm sure Wes, I'm sure that they're related somehow. But I don't know how because they were so different. And what, and what do I think Sasquatch is? Uh, this is obviously my own complete opinion.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  But I think that they have been a lot around for far longer than we have been around. Um, I think they are smart. I think they are aware. I think that they are the natural inhabitants of this earth as much as the Native Americans are. And I think in, in some sense, we are related to them. I don't know how. I don't know.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  If it's evolution of some sort, I don't know, but I feel, I feel like there is definitely a connection between the way that they've evolved and the way that we've evolved.

• 1:09:57Wes Germer?

  So are you thinking they are more human-like and not so much animal-like?

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  So it's something kind of in-between. Like, I think that it was probably, that it was probably an animal at some point. I think a lot of it still is animal. But I think that it's, it's related to humans. I, I think that we are related in some way. And the reason I feel that way is they are too similar and too aware, at least that's what I felt, for them to not be related to us in some way.

• 1:10:36Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's really hard to pin down. Even with appearances, sometimes eyewitnesses will say, "What I saw looked very human-like." And other times, they'll say, "No, it reminded them of an animal." You know, and even with their behavior, on Sunday, I'll be interviewing Paul. He's a cop from Louisiana, and he had two encounters. And his first encounter, while terrifying, you know, he didn't really get a good look at the creature. But Paul and I were talking the other day, and I was telling him, I was like, "Man, you know, the, the behavior that he's describing sounds like something I would do, as opposed to a wild animal." But, you know, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing these

• 1:11:19Wes Germer?

  encounters with us. It's been years since I've heard that hissing vocalization. And, you know, give your folks my number, my cellphone number, if they want to call, or your mom keeps the same sleep schedule I do, so I'm probably up. So if she gets worried or whatever, she's welcome to call me. I'm, I'm not going to put her on the air, but, you know, if I can give her advice or whatever, not that I'll have all the answers, but she's welcome to call me.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  Oh, I, you know, that will, that will mean a lot to my parents. Things like that mean a lot to them. That's very kind of you, Wes. I will do that. That's, that's very kind. Thank you for that. And yeah, thanks for taking the time to do this for me. I have, I have been looking forward to this. Like I said, I, it, it makes me still get scared to talk about it, but like I, I told my husband, these things are real and people need to know about it. And I think what you are doing with your podcast is such a service to humanity. And I don't say that lightly. Um, you are bringing awareness that these type of creatures exist.

• 1:12:27Speaker 04

  And for whatever reason, they are not talked about. They are not being known. And, and the fact that you're doing that, and, and that's the reason why I wanted to come on your show is because I wanted people to know these things are real and, and they exist and they are out there. And, and they're not just made up stories. These affect people's lives and, and they have a, an impact on their lives from the moment they experience them for the rest of their life.

• 1:13:00Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And you have my cell phone. If anything else happens, give me a call or shoot me a text, will you?

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  Awesome, Wes. I will. Thank you so much for taking the time. It's been a blast. I've had a really great time.

• 1:13:14Wes Germer?

  Thanks again, Jill. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

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