SC EP:1301 The Members Encounters

David writes "Wes, For a little while, I worked part-time at a cancer center for a commercial cleaning company to pay off a credit card. I cleaned the majority of the facility, while my partner cleaned the remainder. As a result, I worked the last hour or so alone. One evening, I had to take some trash outside while my coworker was vacuuming the front lobby. As I was walking back toward the building, I saw someone sitting on a couch in the front lobby. The person appeared to be elderly. My coworker was on the other side of the room and wouldn't have been able to see them. I went inside and told him there was still a patient in the building. I walked over to the couch and turned around, but there was no one there. He asked me if I could still see someone. I told him, "Not anymore. Let me walk outside and see if I can still see them." I went back outside, but whoever I had seen was gone. I have one more encounter to share, and this one was a bit unsettling. I was about to leave the building with the last of the trash and set the alarm for the night. I was alone. I had the feeling that I was being watched from the long hallway to my left. At the end of the hallway was another waiting area that remained lit all night. Between the door where I was standing and the waiting room, the hallway was dark. The lights were divided into separate sections that turned on when motion was detected. I saw a figure about 50 feet away, standing off to one side in the dark hallway. There were rooms and alcoves on both sides. The figure was facing me, but I couldn't make out any details because it was backlit. I knew this wasn't a person because their movement would have triggered the motion-activated lights, and I knew I was alone in the building. I asked it what it wanted. I also told it that if it was trying to scare me, it was wasting its time. The figure was wearing high heels. I could see them, and I could hear them, too. It stepped off to the right and into one of the alcoves in a single, fluid motion. The right leg moved over first, followed by the left. Then the figure was completely out of sight. Again, the motion-activated lights never came on. I set the alarm and left. I'd experienced some strange feelings in that place before, but those were the only two things I actually saw. Thanks, Wes. I love the show and appreciate the help you give all of us." John "It was toward the end of August, sometime between 6:30 and 7:00 p.m., with the late-day sun just beginning to set. I was heading east on Highway 74 toward Kingston. There were woods on the driver's side and Prayer Lake on the right. I was driving a Ram ProMaster van, leaning forward with both hands on the steering wheel, when I glanced to my left and noticed a clear-cut area running up the side of a hill. In the middle of that clearing was something I couldn't explain. Keep in mind, I was traveling between 50 and 60 mph, so I only had a brief moment to take it in. What stood out first was the shape of its shoulders. They formed a rounded triangle, and its shoulders looked about the size of a basketball. The setting sun was shining through the trees and hitting its hair, giving it a shiny sheen. Its hair appeared straight, smooth, and well-kept. The next thing I noticed was the size of its right bicep. It looked as big as a Butterball turkey! By then, I had to turn my attention back to the road, and I was already around the corner. It took me about a mile to process what I had just seen. I finally turned to my stepson and asked, "Did I just see a Bigfoot?" I can't say for certain that I saw a Bigfoot, but I know I saw something that I had only ever heard about before. I'm posting a couple of pictures of the location. I also used AI to add a Bigfoot figure to one of the pictures to give you an idea of what it looked like. The location and the picture of the hill are real; the Bigfoot image is only for reference. Thank you for your time!"

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw bears.

• 1:01Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better. Karen, see ya.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:39Speaker 04

  This is Karen from Minnesota and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:08Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here. You know, on the last member show, I asked the members, in the spirit of the Halloween season coming up, if you've ever had anything weird happen to you, paranormal, odd, creepy, strange, doesn't even have to be Bigfoot related, send it to me. And the members really came through. I might even have to do additional shows leading up to the Halloween show, because so many people came forward with strange accounts. And tonight, we'll be chatting with David, who is from Florida, and John, who is from Arkansas. And I'm not even going to tell you about what happened to them. I'm going to let them tell it.

• 2:50Wes Germer?

  And like I said, next weekend, we'll be doing the Halloween show. And so for anyone out there listening, if anything weird has happened to you, paranormal, send it to me. I'd love for you to be a part of the Halloween show. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome David to the show. David, thanks for coming on.

• 3:23Speaker 06

  Thanks, Wes. Appreciate it.

• 3:26Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And you had a lot of, we're going to go into some really weird accounts, but if you would, I know this took place out there in Florida. Walk me into this very first incident. What were you doing and what happened?

• 3:42Speaker 06

  Well, I had, I was trying to get rid of this credit card. So I worked for this commercial cleaning company and I got in with them and they had an opening at this cancer center and says, for a medical facility, it's rather small, but it's still a pretty good size. So there's two of us that do the cleaning on it. So my partner, his is only an hour and a half to two hours a night and mine's three and a half to four hours a night. So most nights, I'll be closing alone. The first thing that happened was, was, you know, rather benign. It wasn't, you know, a really scary encounter or anything.

• 4:26Speaker 06

  But I had gone outside, he was still there and I had gone outside to drop off some trash and I turned around and I'm heading back in and he was vacuuming the front reception area, which is of course lit at this point. So I'm looking in and there's, there's somebody sitting on one of the couches. And it looks like an older person, a smaller person, looked like a woman. At this point, we were the only ones that were still there. And a lot of times, there's people in the back that are doing the imaging equipment and working on that, but there was no one at this point. It was just him and I.

• 5:05Speaker 06

  So I saw that person there and he was on the other side of the room and it's not too big of a room. But there's no way in and out, except for the front doors that lead for where he is, that lead to the street and those are locked and we have no access to open those. And the other is just, goes into the rest of the facility. So he's pretty much in that area right there, so he would see anyone moving in and out. And I saw the person, so I came inside and I said, hey, there's a patient still here. He said, you saw somebody? And I said, yes. And I walked around the corner and I walked through the reception area and then I came to where that couch was and I turned around and there's nobody there.

• 5:50Speaker 06

  The doctor that ran the place, his wife is a bit of an, loves art and she's decorated the entire place. And so the reception area is not like one kind of couch or one kind of chair. It's all different kinds of couches and chairs and different sizes and colors and everything. So I was like, okay, I said, he goes, did you see somebody? And I said, yeah. I said, well, let me check. And I went back outside to see if maybe I had seen something that looked like a person, right? Because I'm standing there looking at it now. So I went back outside, but whoever I saw or whatever I saw, wasn't there anymore.

• 6:34Speaker 06

  And so I realized, I said, yeah, I saw somebody then. And it wasn't, because you know, I didn't confuse it for something else. So I came back in and I said, I said, yeah, there was somebody there, but they're gone now. And the guy I worked with, he was a younger guy, but he was from rural Virginia and he'd seen something. So he's like, okay. And it was like, you know, no big deal. So now the second one was a lot different. This was later in the night, I was about to leave, this is around midnight or so. And so I was the only one in the whole facility. I'm getting ready to go and I had the last of the trash by the door and about to walk out and I'm, the last person sets the alarm system.

• 7:17Speaker 06

  So I'm getting ready to do that and then I feel like I'm being looked at. I can, you know, you feel when someone's watching you. And I looked to my left and there's a, there's a hallway there and it's a pretty long hallway. And at the end of it, there's another reception area in front of the imaging area, the imaging center. That place is, is lit all the time at night for security reasons. So where I am, which is kind of like the front area is lit and that area is lit, but the hallway between is not lit. And that works on, it has motion detector lights to save electricity.

• 8:01Speaker 06

  So if I were to walk down that hall, long hallway to the end, the lights come on as I walk down and that whole hallway is dark, except for the reception area at the back. But there's a, a figure there. This figure was about 50 or 60 feet from me and it was in, you know, the dark part of the hallway. So whatever this thing was, it didn't, it didn't set off the motion detector lights. Okay. So it's just cloaked in darkness. So I can't see any features on it at all. I can only see the shape of it. And it was, I know it was facing me. It appeared to be, had a female shape.

• 8:48Speaker 06

  And I couldn't see the clothes that has skirt. That's all I could see was this. It was, it was definitely wearing a skirt, but the top part I couldn't tell. And I looked at it and

• 9:01Speaker 06

  I knew, I knew I was the only one there and I knew this wasn't a person, right? So I said, I said, what do you want? And I said, if you're trying to scare me, you're wasting your time.

• 9:14Speaker 06

  Cause I was just, I was ready to go and I'd seen things and I'm like, whatever. You know, and then after I didn't say anything and after I said that,

• 9:27Speaker 06

  all down this hallway, there's rooms and alcoves on either side. Some of them are just an alcove and have no door and some have a door. This thing stepped off to the right into one of these alcoves. It just stepped laterally. One leg in, in the darkness and then the other leg followed and it was wearing high heels. I could hear them and I could see them. And, you know, I couldn't tell of course color. It was all black, but it just went click and then click and it moved over to the side and I'm like, oh, okay.

• 10:07Speaker 06

  Okay. I guess it disliked decided, all right, I'll show you something. And when it moved over, of course, the, the motion detector lights did not engage again. So it was, whatever it was, was not setting those off. And then, so I just set the alarm and I left. I'd have some times in there where I'm alone and, you know, you'll get a little bit of a feeling, like a creepy feeling. But overall, there wasn't really much, you know, of that. There's a lot of noises, but it's a big facility and there's machines running. So, you know, you can't really, you have to discount most of that. But those two incidents, you know, happened in there. And when I saw that,

• 10:52Speaker 06

  then the next day I told my partner about it and I said, there's,

• 10:58Speaker 06

  there's something else in here too. So keep on your toes. And, um, so yeah, so that, those are my two experiences from that place. And as far as like, uh, you know, that, that I would say was a, would be in the demon area of, of something for sure.

• 11:20Wes Germer?

  You handled it better than I would have. I've been like, I'm out of here. Why, why not quit? I mean, I realize that you're, it's a job to pay off a credit card, but why not just quit at that point? I think I would have left. Maybe I'm just a big baby.

• 11:36Speaker 06

  As, you know, it wasn't, um, I had a encounter with a demon before. And I haven't really had any, what you would call a ghost encounter, you know, but I, I'm a Christian man. I, I know there's spirits and I know that the, the world we see is much smaller than the world that we don't see, right? So I, I know that there's things out there and I'm, I'm not really worried about it. Like with that, I was just like, cause I've had things happen to me and I just, I just tell it that, you know, if, you know,

• 12:21Speaker 06

  cause I know that's what it wants. It wants, it wants me to be afraid because they feed off of that. And so if you don't give it what it wants, it's not going to stay. You know, unless you do something stupid and invite things like that in, you know? So I wasn't really worried about it. It's just, I'm, I tend to be more worried for other people that are not telling it to go, go away. You know what I mean? And, um, or to be afraid of it. So after that happened, I didn't have any more issues there. And I didn't see anything else there. And I worked there about eight or nine months.

• 13:02Wes Germer?

  Tell me about the demon encounter.

• 13:05Speaker 06

  Okay. That was, um, I was probably in my, I was in my early thirties. And I was dating my soon to be second wife. We had rented a house. And now I had no issues at this house, by the way, nothing ever happened there, except for this one thing. We were in the bedroom and I, it was late. I don't know what time it was, but we were, she sleeps like a rock. I mean, you could beat her up ahead with a pipe and she'd be asleep the whole time. I was sleeping and then something woke me up. I woke up.

• 13:45Speaker 06

  And I looked above me and there's enough, I had a decent amount of light in the room.

• 13:52Speaker 06

  And there's this thing hovering over the bed. And it's shaped like a person, but it's like floating above the bed straight, like it's, like it was laying down, but now it's above the bed. So it's like floating straight out like that. And it had a human shape to it and it was completely solid black and it, it was almost like, you know, you know, people will describe it as, um, as like a smoke. It's, it was kind of like that because it was so dark, but it had a perfect form. Like there was no wisps of anything coming out. It was just a perfect form of

• 14:38Speaker 06

  like a, a human shape. And I saw it and then I started raising my head. It had apparently also an arm. It had an arm and it reached down and it put its finger, its index finger on right in the center of my forehead and pushed my head back down onto the pillow.

• 15:02Speaker 06

  And it, um, it just pushed it back down and I couldn't resist it. It, my head went right back down to the pillow. Then it turned its attention to my girlfriend. It moved its, its head towards her. Couldn't see any eyes or anything like that. It's just a black shape. And it looked at her. And then I just got so angry. And I

• 15:33Speaker 06

  it's when it pushed its head, my head back down, I got scared.

• 15:39Speaker 06

  But then when it, when it looked at her, I got so angry at it. And I just started ripping things off to it and I didn't speak it. I just thought it.

• 15:54Speaker 06

  And I don't know if, because I knew I didn't have to speak, but I didn't speak it out of my mouth. So I just went into it, what I would do to it and I would, you know, blankety, blank, blank. And I mean, I went off on it and

• 16:10Speaker 06

  for like almost a whole minute. And then this thing just disappeared. When I think back to that, it always, it always just, I can't understand it because normally in something like that, I'd be praying. And, uh, but I, but I didn't. I was very angry at it and

• 16:35Speaker 06

  I just, after this whole facade I laid on it, it, it disappeared. And I never saw anything more in that house. And the next morning I had told my, um, my girlfriend about it. And she said, oh, don't tell me anymore. And she was, she was done with it. And then I brought it up. I think a few years after that and, um, she said that she must've blocked that out of her mind because she shouldn't want anything to do with that. But, um, so that, that was the encounter that I had.

• 17:11Wes Germer?

  What do you think brought it into the place?

• 17:14Speaker 06

  That would, that was something I've always wondered too, because, you know, like I said, I never had anything ever happen in that house. I never had any bad feelings in that house. And sometimes I get, like I, sometimes I, I know things and sometimes I have feelings about things. And sometimes I see things, but I don't have any regular kind of knowing or power or anything like that. It's just every once in a while, I get a feeling about something or I, I know something or whatever. Um, but I didn't get any weird feelings about the house or anything like that. And, you know, we never did anything that would bring anything like that into the house. So I have no idea where it came from.

• 18:00Speaker 06

  And it was a good size. And they always say that the bigger it is, the more powerful it is, you know, kind of like a person, right? But I, I, I've always wondered what brought that thing there? And why it thought it could, you know, muscle around, you know, at my place, you know, I don't, I don't know. And I would think that if there was something wrong with the house, that either I would have felt something or I would have seen something before then. And, uh, but I never did. So it was just that one thing.

• 18:36Wes Germer?

  Yeah. It's kind of weird. It only showed up that one time. It kind of makes sense though, listening to the encounter later, when you ran into those two spirits, one was sitting, which would have been confusion going back and there's no one there. But the one at the end of the hallway, I'd have been like, hell no. I, I'm, I quit. And I was listening to it. I was like, man, you're pretty nonchalant about it. I mean, you must have a huge set of balls on you, but I kind of get it now. I mean, you, you ran into something much worse.

• 19:07Speaker 06

  Well, yeah. And if you kind of know what those things are, it takes a lot of the fear away.

• 19:16Speaker 06

  Um, you know, fear of the unknown is stronger than when it's not right. So I think the, and think the, the ghost or whatever that was, um, when I saw the, of the person, maybe that prepared me for when I saw the high healed one, right? But the, the, when I saw the person, it was, like I said, I, I didn't even get really close to it, you know, and I went around and it was just gone. So it's just like, well, maybe I just saw something that's there. Um, before that I had a, I had a girlfriend who, um, she was a precog. So she could see, she's precognitive. So she could see the future sometimes, right? And they come at her and like, I had a friend who was like, why doesn't she just,

• 20:01Speaker 06

  you know, get the lottery numbers? And I said, it doesn't work like that, you know, she doesn't get to pick or choose what she sees. She would just see something and it's like watching a movie clip, you know, it, it being something where I understand how a lot of the world works. If you're a Christian, read the Bible and understand that, um, you know, there's a lot of things out there and a lot of them aren't there to do you any good. But if you know how they operate and like I said, you know, that, that, that thing was really looking for me to be afraid. So it was going to feed off me like a battery, right? You know, it's like when, uh, when people get to close to Sasquatches, their, the batteries on their stuff drains, right? Well, that's, it's

• 20:42Speaker 06

  not a coincidence. It's because it's, a battery is just a, a, it's just a thing that holds electrical charge. It's sucking that electrical charge so it can use that. And it also doesn't want your camera to work, right? So, you know, something like that, like if you know kind of what they're looking for, you know, then you just can defeat it by just, you know, like I had a, I had a friend of mine once that I had this friend that loved to debate and argue. That was his thing, right? So it doesn't matter what position you picked on something. He might agree with you, but he wouldn't say that, you know, he would, because he wanted to debate you. So what I started

• 21:22Speaker 06

  doing was I agreed with everything he said. And then he just stopped doing it to me, you know? So, you know, you, I was defeating him and that's kind of what, what that was, you know? So, you know, it's not a matter of even courage. It's just, once you know what that thing is looking for and you deny it, then it's generally going to go away because it's, there's no point in wasting its time with me.

• 21:50Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I get your point for sure. And they're creepy accounts, man. I really appreciate you sharing them. I know this is separate from what you experienced, but you know, being a member, what do you think Sasquatch is?

• 22:05Speaker 06

  From my personal experiences, which I've, they've all been, they've all been kind of, um, benign and not necessarily what you would call evil. Um, but I think that they were, I think they were made by, by the fallen angels to be an empty vessel or a demon to inhabit. And that they made them and they procreate on their own and not all of them, of course, are hosting one, right? So, um, like the ones that I encounter close to me where, where I go, they're very,

• 22:45Speaker 06

  they don't like to show themselves. I've never seen one, but I did have a encounter that you taped it before, but I think it was, it was when you had that bad storm up there and I think you lost it.

• 22:57Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I don't think it was a storm. I, I vaguely remember that. I think it's when my, uh, computer actually crashed. But if you would, tell us again, if you don't mind.

• 23:08Speaker 06

  So I used to go, I don't hike much anymore because I don't get a lot of time to do it, but, um, there's a place where I would go hiking and I knew that, that they were there because there was a lot of reports of them there and even them showing themselves too. But I had this one time where I'd come in there and it was, it had flooded really bad and we had a lot of heavy water, heavy rain. And I was actually in there on my mountain bike and I had to walk it through because I was, it was about four inches deep of water. And I'm walking this thing through the path and this is where they, I know where they are now, where they, I actually went there.

• 23:50Speaker 06

  Um, I hiked in there with my best friend and they let us go in there and, um, didn't bother us at all. But I'm, I'm going down this path and there's like this, we have a lot of palmetto bushes in Florida and this palmetto bush is, it's about six feet tall. It's pretty tall. And I was coming up close to it and I saw something move behind it. And I laid my bike down and I was walking over to it and I kind of leaned down like at my waist to look in it. This thing was behind the bush and I leaned down to look in it and then, you know, I know you're on the fence with

• 24:30Speaker 06

  infrasound, but I can tell you that they have it. Um, this, I, I like froze and I couldn't move. And I can see this, the hair of this thing on the other side. And I think it was also crouched down. I think it didn't expect me to come in there and all this, and all this mess. I was just completely frozen and I couldn't turn my head or anything. And I'm sitting there, you know, bent down at the waist and I'm just there. And then this thing walks off toward the creek, which is off to the right. And it, whatever it was, um, like I said, I only saw a little bit

• 25:10Speaker 06

  of hair and that was it. Uh, whatever it was, was extremely heavy because I could feel it in the ground when it walked and it didn't run off. It just casually walked down toward the creek. The next thing I remember, I'm, I'm past, I'm just past where that bush is and I'm still on the trail and part of it's washed out and I'm trying to figure out how to get my bike across it. And I had to sling my bike over it and I sling my pack over it and then I jump over the water. And then, you know, I get my pack back on and I'm pushing my bike out and I'm halfway home, driving in my, in my truck. And then all of a sudden I'm like, wait a minute, what just

• 25:55Speaker 06

  happened? Like that whole thing, it's almost like I blacked out after that, you know, after I was bent over. I don't remember standing back up and going over and getting my bike and walking past the bush. I don't remember any of that. I have no memory of it. It's just that all of a sudden I'm past there, you know, trying to figure out how I'm going to get out of there. And no thought about what happened came into my head until I'm halfway home.

• 26:22Wes Germer?

  Do you think that was the effect of, uh, infrasound or do you think that was because of fear?

• 26:28Speaker 06

  I think it was infrasound because I wasn't afraid at all. And I was, and I was perfectly fine with just squatting down like that, which I would not normally, you know, you would normally be like that because I was trying to figure out what that was, right? And, but then all of a sudden I can't move and I'm okay with not moving, which that wouldn't be like me because if this thing walked off and I heard it walk off and I felt it walk off, I would have looked so I could see it walk off, but I wasn't allowed to turn my head. And when I go down the trail at various times, like anytime I go down the trail, there's always one watching inside the woods, you know, they call it a sentinel or whatever, watching over the others. And I hear

• 27:10Speaker 06

  that and, because I'll, I'll walk down the path and then as soon as I come down the path like 20 or 30 feet, there's two wood knocks, pop, pop, very clear. And this happens, it has to, I have to go in there at like one o'clock in the afternoon or later. If I go in there before that, I don't hear anything. That kind of leads me to believe that maybe they're, this is when they're kind of starting to come out and they're staying in their area before that. I don't know. But you, you continue down that path till you get to a T junction. And if I take a left away from where they are.

• 27:51Speaker 06

  And I walk down that trail, nothing happens. If I take a right, as soon as I start walking down to the right, I get two more pops, pop, pop. And it's always the same. If I walk down there alone, it's two pops. If I walk down there with one person, it's two pops. If I walked down, one time I took a couple down there, friends of mine. So there were three of us and there was two pops. So it's always two. Now, the, the one that's in the woods to my right when I'm walking down, that I'm assuming is doing the wood knocks, I, I've never heard it except one time. It never let me hear it walking. You know how people get paced out? I get paced in. Okay. But it doesn't, it doesn't let me hear it only one time.

• 28:36Speaker 06

  So I came down the trail once, like I usually do, like, you know, towards where they're not far. So I come down there and then I got hit with a fear. And it's just like, one of the members said one time, it was like dread. And that's exactly what this was. I couldn't have said it better. It was dread that I had. But I knew it wasn't from me. I wasn't afraid. It wasn't coming from the inside. It was coming from the outside. Something was sending that to me. And at the time, at this time when this happened, I never even heard anybody talk about them having infrasound before.

• 29:22Speaker 06

  Not until later. So, but I knew it wasn't from me. You know, I come down here all the time by myself and I was never afraid.

• 29:32Wes Germer?

  Yeah, they could have infrasound. It's not that I'm against infrasound. I think it gets used as a blanket term for everything. And I just did a blog post about infrasound and ultrasound. And I mean, it can cause you to have fear or that dread or that fear of being watched. I mean, it can cause all of those feelings. And what you're describing, I mean, does kind of sound like infrasound.

• 29:59Speaker 06

  It's like something that's being transmitted to me. It didn't, like I said, it didn't come from, because when you get afraid, it comes from your inside. But this is coming in from the outside.

• 30:10Wes Germer?

  And I know it was kind of a big blob of hair on the other side of this pulmato, but was that the only time you ever saw them?

• 30:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's all I saw. Yeah.

• 30:19Wes Germer?

  How often do you go into this place?

• 30:22Speaker 06

  I used to go in there, shoot, I, every weekend for years. And I haven't been in there in probably three years.

• 30:30Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that, David. You'll have to let me know if you end up going back. And I really appreciate you sharing the paranormal encounters. Um, I really enjoyed chatting with you. Thank you so much for coming on.

• 30:44Speaker 06

  No problem. And I really appreciate the show and, you know, everybody, everybody loves it, man. You, you, you do such a great job. You don't even know.

• 30:59Wes Germer?

  Next up on the show, I want to welcome John. John, thanks for coming on.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Hey, thank you, Wes. Thank you for having me.

• 31:06Wes Germer?

  Yeah, thank you again for being here. And I know all of this kind of takes place out there in Arkansas. And you've had a lot of weird things happen to you. Uh, if you would, would you start with the very first incident? What were you doing and what happened?

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Well, my name's John Small. I, I have a little heating and air company here in Arkansas. Uh, so I run around and do service calls. I meet a lot of people. I go to a lot of places. Um, so this was late August, the end of August. Um, it was probably, I don't know, probably five thirty in the afternoon, six, kind of, kind of pushing, you know, the, the evening. You know, I was ready to get home. Um, had a service call for a, um, condenser fan motor that needed to be put in out in Kingston. So me and my son, we got in the van and we started off, uh, to Huntsville.

• 32:07Speaker 03

  Uh, got to Huntsville, hit seventy-four, uh, rolled down seventy-four to, to Prayer Lake. So right here between Huntsville and Kingston, uh, there's a lake called Prayer Lake. Um, right next to Prayer Lake, there is a clear cutting, you know, I love you. Driving around doing service calls and stuff. I love looking at different people's houses, uh, vehicles, uh, barns, you know, just typical guy stuff. Me and my son was rolling down seventy-four, um, had my forearms on the steering wheel. Looked to the right, uh, there was Prayer Lake. There was a clear cutting to the left.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  So I looked over there to the left and what caught me, Wes, the first thing was the outline of what I saw. Now, can I tell you exactly what I saw? No, I mean, I, I can't, I can't put a name on it. But what I seen was a typical, I say typical, but a rounded head. Kind of not, not super round, but almost kind of like a, had like a slight point to the top. And it come down to its shoulders. It really, it didn't have a neck. So it went from the top of the head down to it's almost to its shoulders.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  So that's the first thing I noticed was that outline. The second thing I noticed on it was the fur, hair, whatever it was. This thing was well manicured. Yeah, it was, it's almost like somebody took a brush and brushed it out nice and straight. And I'm looking at this thing from the back. So it was standing in the brush and the brush was coming up about maybe midway, you know, right above its butt, you know, on, on its back. So honestly, I don't know if it was knelt down or if it was standing up. But this hair was so, so well brushed out, it almost looked like it was brushed out.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  The next thing I noticed was the length. The length was probably, oh, three inches. Um, had a, it was brown with kind of like a reddish tint to it. It almost blended in, you know, blended in real nice. The next thing was the sun, sunlight coming through the trees. When sunlight came through the trees, it hit the, it hit the hair and it put this like nice sheen on it. You could see the sheen from the shoulders down, you know, down the back of the, uh, down the back. Um, it was, uh, the next thing that I really noticed on this, this thing was its shoulders.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  The shoulders were the size of a, a basketball. You know, as I followed the shoulder down, you can make out through the hair that you could see the bicep in this thing. The bicep was probably about the size of a butterball turkey. And most people say that, oh, when I seen, you know, what I saw, it was, you know, thin, tall, maciated looking. This thing was healthy. It was very, um, very full, broad, wide.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  The shoulders, like I said, was size of a basketball.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  And you could tell the bicep through the hair that it was just, it was massive. Um, and people say all the time, you know, cartoonish and I, I agree with them. It was cartoonish. It was almost like the Incredible Hulk, you know, um, the size of this thing, if it is almost like the size of a, a bull, a small bull, a Brammer bull or something, kind of, if you just kind of stood the Brammer bull up, that's about how big it was. Um, I took some pictures of the area and, um, kind of put in AI, of course, put in what I saw and it, it matches it.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Um, but it, it doesn't do justice to the size of the shoulders and arms of what the thing really had on it. So of course, you know, this sighting's going down the road at sixty miles an hour. So I catch the outline of it, the, the fur or the hair, I should say. The sunlight coming through putting the sheen on the hair. The shoulders are the next thing and then the bicep. And then I had to turn my eyes back to the road. By that time we went on around the corner, um, I'm sitting there, I'm just sitting there processing it, processing it for the next mile down the road.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  And I turned to my son, I'm like, man, I really don't want to say this, but you know, I think I seen a Sasquatch and you know, we kind of, he kind of played it off there, you know, but Wes, I mean, what I saw is what I saw, you know, I can't, now can I tell you, oh, it's, you know, this was Sasquatch or Bigfoot or, you know, all I know is this thing was massive. It was, it was massive. What I saw is what I saw. But anyways, we're, we're rolling on down the road. We get to the, uh, get to the service call and we have to hit a dirt road, go down a dirt road a bit. And, uh, I started noticing these,

• 37:55Speaker 03

  these big playgrounds. I mean, we're talking playgrounds with, you know, telephone poles at like four points. And then they have like big giant, giant ropes coming down. Some of them have chains coming down to tires and stuff like this. And it looked like a big jungle gym. And, and we're, we're back off on the backside of Kingston going up to the boondocks. So there's two of these jungle gyms out there beside the road next to a cabin that looks like he pulled it straight out of the twenties. You know, it's a little ranch check, log cabin, you know,

• 38:36Speaker 03

  deteriorating in the woods and right next to it, it's like a thirty-two coupe. And it's just like time has forgot it, you know, it's sitting there. I wanted to stop and take pictures, but we were, you know, the road was rough. We just kept driving as service called to do. Uh, we get out there to the service call and we get out there and he's like, hey, you know, hey, you know, thank you for showing up and stuff like that. And I was joking, I was joking with him. I said, hey, I, I seen a Bigfoot on seventy-four back over there. And Wes, he looked at me like, looked at me like, you know, yeah, you know, I, we know, but I'm not going to engage with you with it, you know, so

• 39:20Speaker 03

  I just kind of let that go. Um, got in there, did the service call. We left and that's, that's kind of, that was my experience on seventy-four, you know, um, went back later, took some pictures and kind of got on Google Earth. I mean, there's, there's woods from Houston all the way to St. Louis. I mean, there's some kind of national forest up through there. I always thought that maybe I was in the area that there wasn't a whole lot of, you know.

• 39:54Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I actually get a lot of encounters that come out of Arkansas, especially around the Ozarks, kind of like where you were at. And I appreciate you sharing it and I appreciate you being a member too and kind of supporting what I do. Uh, it means a lot to me and I would say the members are probably the most well-educated Bigfoot people out there. Um, they'll catch on things in interviews that I didn't pick up on. And so I always love your guys' feedback and you've heard many accounts. When you saw this thing, what surprised you the most about it?

• 40:29Speaker 03

  What surprised me was the, the size of his bicep. Um, the arms on this thing was just, just massive. Uh, like I said, I couldn't tell if it was bending down or standing up. I went back and took pictures and I placed, I placed it right there where, where I thought, but what the pictures don't show is this is like a steep hillside. If my depth perception was off just a little bit and it was actually closer to the road, which thinking back on it, I could see this, I could see its hair. I mean, it, it was there. If it was, I mean, it had to be, you know,

• 41:15Speaker 03

  seven and a half, eight foot tall. If it was standing down a little bit lower, um, but if it was up there, kind of like where I put it in the picture, then it, it had to be on its knees. Um, so I'm thinking when I was coming down the road, it just kind of crouched down. But the, the size of the arms on this thing was, you know, just like I could, out of a better word, cartoonish.

• 41:40Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I think anyone who's actually seen one gets the cartoon comment you just made. Cause that's exactly what I thought. Not funny, haha, cartoon, but just how they're proportioned. Everything's over exaggerated, very cartoonish. And I'll post the, uh, the picture of the hill and then the image that AI created. So people kind of can see what you saw. I'm curious on what you think Sasquatch is. Before we get into that, tell me about the next incident. I know it really wasn't Bigfoot related, but it was a life. If, um, I don't have my notes in front of me, but tell me about the next incident.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. Well, the, the, it happened back in, uh, it was probably in the two thousands. Uh, me and my sister, we were driving down East seventy-four into Oklahoma past Crichton, uh, Crichton Cemetery. Um, so, uh, I, I stayed with my sister a lot when I was younger. Uh, we were just kind of like peas in a pod. I was her little sidekick, you know, her husband was off working and little brother was always around. So she lived out there, uh, right next to, between Summers and Westville, Oklahoma.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  And, uh, I, I, for some reason, I think the kids wanted something from the store. So I rode with her to the store. So we hit the road, the back road down there, um, past the little cemetery, head to, uh, Wood Saddle Road and, um,

• 43:23Speaker 03

  we were just, we just rolling down the road, probably twenty miles an hour, fifteen, twenty miles an hour. Um, and I noticed this light right behind us. Well, it wasn't behind us. It was further down the road. But as we was driving, I just kept looking at this light and it was just a ball light. It looked like a motorcycle headlight. And it was coming down the road, um, probably, I, I mean, it was at a high rate of speed. If, if we were doing fifteen to twenty, it was doing fifty. It was just, it was coming up on us so fast. And by the time it reached us, um, I just braced for impact, you know, because I knew it was going to hit us. And I really expected a motorcycle to hit us in, in the ass end of the car and the guy go flying over the hood.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Um, I braced for impact, closed my eyes, opened the eyes and it was gone. Um, as fast as that thing started, it stopped and I've never seen anything like that again.

• 44:22Wes Germer?

  Yeah. You know, kind of a weird observation. When people run into the lights in the forest, they're not like zip, zooming around. They're not like, most of the time it's, it's very slow motion. They're kind of just floating around with purpose, I will say. But it's not quick. But then you hear about these lights on a road where people will say, kind of like what you were saying, you know, this, I thought it was a motorcycle coming up real quick behind me. Or I talked about, I think it was on a member's show, uh, that ghost road I, I lived near when I was growing up. And people would talk about this ghost car all the time, coming up right behind people as quickly as possible.

• 45:03Wes Germer?

  And even my brother and his friends saw it and I remember asking him, well, what did the ghost car look like? And you know, he said, I don't remember seeing your car. I just remember seeing two bright lights, like headlights coming at us. Do you have a theory on what those lights are?

• 45:20Speaker 03

  Oh man, if, if I had to, if I had to, I don't know, anything I say right now would be a guess, you know, um, people say ball lightning and plasma, uh, entity, um, just, I mean, I, I couldn't really tell you. I know that this thing came up on us really quick and it was gone. You know, I mean, people always, all the time say that, you know, they see that, you know, usually where, you know, Sasquatch is and you know, maybe we seen the light, we just didn't see the Sasquatch at that time. So it's one of them things. It's kind of once in a lifetime, you know, I, I don't get out to the woods as much

• 46:02Speaker 03

  as I used to, uh, being a young guy. Uh, now I'm just, uh, running around doing service calls and,

• 46:10Speaker 03

  I did have another little thing I'll add in here real quick. Uh, I was, you know, and, and, uh, and my kayak was out there fishing at Bob Kidd Lake. We got over there to the backside of Bob Kidd Lake and, uh, was sitting there fishing and stuff like that. This is probably about the only time I ever heard a tree fall in the, in, in the woods. And it was, it was a substantial loud crack and fall. The feeling I got from that was just, you know, turn around and, and go back the other way. So.

• 46:45Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I hear you. The, the last incident was a UFO incident, wasn't it? Back in the eighties?

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Uh, so when I was a young guy and it was like nineteen ninety-eight, um, I had this buddy named Shane and we used to, you know, go do night fishing and stuff like that. Lincoln Lake, his house. Um, so one night we just decided to go out to his house and, uh, go do a little bit of pond fishing. You know, pond fishing just really ain't going to catch anything. It was basically a cow pond, tree right beside it. So we backed down there and, uh, threw our poles in. So he threw his pole in on one side. I threw my pole in on the other side. Doors of the truck open, playing music, just sitting there enjoying, enjoying the night.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  Um, you know, back when I was younger and stuff like that, you know, I could actually stay up at night and, um, you know, fish. So we were standing there or sitting there in this truck, doing a little bit of fishing and stuff like that. And, you know, two guys sitting in the truck. I mean, we're talking back and forth, you know, about aliens, everything like that. And we're looking up at the stars. And I'm like, yeah, well that, you know, that star right there don't look like it's, you know, a hundred thousand miles away. It looks like it's in our atmosphere. So, you know, we're sitting there cutting up, you know, having a good time and stuff like that. So we're starting to flash the lights and this.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  This field is out in the middle of nowhere, you know, it's off a dirt road. His family owns it. It's when you pull into it, you pull in through the gate. It's a barbed wire gate with loop on the bottom, loop on the top. You pull in through this gate, go through some trees and then you drop down the hill and then there's a bottom field. Go across the bottom field, go back up through the trees and then there's like a little plateau. So we're in the bottom at the pond fishing, flashing our lights at, you know, anything in the sky, you know, honking the horn, hooping and hollering. I'm just trying to get something's attention. And Wes, I guess we did, you know, because we're sitting there.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  We're, we're, we're fishing and we, we don't see anything yet, but I'm sitting there outside the truck. And I don't really know what it is. I don't know if it was silkworms or what, but I'm sitting there and there's like little green drops. It would hit the ground and then just glow and, and dissipate. And this, another one would hit by my foot. It would glow and dissipate. And this is just happening all around me and I'm thinking, you know, what, what is this? Is this kind of like silk worms or spider eggs or? You know, I didn't know, quite know what it was. So, you know, we had this nice little fire going.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  Uh, we're going up there to get wood to the top of the hill. Uh, we make this trip probably, oh, two or three times. Uh, by the end, by the end of the night, you know, it's time to pick up our poles, you know, it's, it's going to be breaking daylight in no time. It's time to, it's time to leave. So we take the poles out. When we pull the poles out of the water, all the line is, is tangled up in a big knot. And I thought that was really weird that, you know, in, in a pond with no current, uh, you know, he's on one side, I'm on the other side. We pull these poles out and they, and they're just, I mean, this is just got a knot of, of fishing line balled up.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  So anyways, we take the fishing poles, we put them in the back of the truck and then we're headed out.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  So I'm sitting there at the passenger seat, Shane's driving, we're going up the hill. Um, we've made this trip up this hill. It's not a excessive big hill. You know, we made it three or four times that night. We start going up the hill and the truck stops. And Shane's like, you know, what, what's going on? You know, gas a little bit and it's, it's not going nowhere. So Shane backs back down the, the road, down the hill and he hits the brake lights.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  And he said, well, what's, you know, what's that? I'm like, I don't know. I don't, I don't know what you're talking about. So he puts it back in drive and tries to go up again.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  It, it doesn't make it. So he's backing back down and about halfway down, he hits the, he hits the brakes. And he's looking in the side mirror and he freaks out. He's like, oh, there's something on the back of the truck. There's something on the back of the truck. And I'm like, you know, I'm curious now. So I lean over and I look out and when he hits the brakes again, back towards the bottom of it. There was something hanging off the side of the back of the truck and I, I can't.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  I, I don't know what it was. To this day, I still don't know what it was. I don't know. It's, it almost looked like the predator. Um, in, in a smaller form, um, without the mask, not with the mask, the predator without the mask. What I thought, you know, all these years, you know, really thinking about it, what I thought, you know, back then that was like metallic. Um, rainbow dreads that was slapping the side of the truck on, on his side. And I know this, I know. I know this sounds crazy. Um.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  But what I, what I really think it was now was more, more fur, uh, within the brake lights. Um. But anyways, whatever this thing was on the back of the truck, um, that's about all the look that we got. Because Shane stomped this Chevy, kicked it in the butt and we got up that hill. Well, we get up to the hill and the gate's closed. I'm, I'm hollering at Shane. I'm telling him, ram the gate, ram the gate. And he's like, no, I can't ram the gate. So he pulls up there next to the gate and like I said, this gate is just a, a, a fenced gate with a loop on the bottom, a loop on the top.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  And he's like, undo, undo, undo the loop. And I'm like, I don't want to stick my hands outside the cab. So I finally rolled down the window a little bit, undo the, and it falls down. We drive across the gate. We get back to, to Shane's house and it's probably four, four thirty, five o'clock in the morning. And Shane, I'm, is just laying on the horn. And, uh, his brother-in-law answers, you know, comes outside and he's like, you know, what, what are y'all doing? You know, we're like, look on the back of the truck. And he's like, you know, what for? You know, just, just look on the back of the truck. So we was going to, you know, sacrifice Shane's brother-in-law for our safety.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  So Shane's brother-in-law, Doug, he, he comes out and he looks on the back and he's like, no, there's nothing back here. So we get out and we're looking and this hard packed driveway, there is, there's indentions in the hard packed driveway. And with the dew and stuff like that, and, and the dirt on, on the back of this Chevy tailgate. We can see fingerprints on the back of the tailgate. So we're, we're standing there, you know, kind of looking at the, looking at the tailgate, looking at the, the, the ground. Um. So we get up the nerve, we're, you know, it's starting to break daylight now. You, you know, you look up in the sky and see, and see, you know, up in the sky.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  So we drive back down there, look around a little bit. Um. Didn't see a whole lot, you know, at that point in time. Um, started driving back up the hill. We get back to the top of the hill where the gate is. I, I, I look over at Shane and then I just so happened to look up in the sky. And this, the sky was just, you know, getting light to where you could actually see up into the sky. And probably about maybe a hundred and fifty feet. Up in the sky, there was a kind of an oval.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  An oval kind of fat on one side and kind of little bit smaller on the other side. Craft, uh, with a, with a ring of light around the bottom of it.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  With the window down, I cannot hear this craft make any sound. It was silent. It was silent. And, and I knew right then, I knew right then, what we seen on the back of the truck. And what I seen right then, that we actually called down something by sitting out there, flashing our lights and honking our horns. Um, and that's a story that, you know, he does plumbing and we'll, we'll see each other in supply house every once in a while. And, you know, it's just kind of a, you know, hey, you seen anything lately? You know, it's because that's something that's stuck with us now for.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Thirty years almost. Yeah.

• 56:20Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that would see with me, especially with that thing on the back of the truck. And then later you see this thing in the sky. I mean, what do you think it was? Like UFO?

• 56:31Speaker 03

  Uh, UFO, um, the, the creature on the back, um. I mean, I, the only look that we got of that thing was through the side mirror and, and the brake lights. The, the mouth, the mouth almost looked like the predator, whether, whether the brake light was throwing optical illusion on it. It was, it was something, I don't think it was huge. I don't think it was a big creature. Um. The, the marks and stuff that it laid in the driveway was almost like if you just took. Like took a, a metal rod or a whip or something and just cracked the driveway.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  And it just, it blew rocks out. It, you know, it separated, you know, hard packed driveway. And it, the, the finger, the fingerprints on the back of the truck were just kind of spaced out pretty wide with, with, you know, it's like almost.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't think I could spread my fingers that far to make what, what was on the back of the truck. But from what we seen in the, uh, the, uh, side mirror, it, it didn't look huge unless we're only seeing part of it. The, the face, the face and everything was, was a lot, if, if I say face, from what I seen of it, it reminded me of the Predator without the mask.

• 58:03Wes Germer?

  You know, this weird thing on the back of your truck and then not long after that you see this thing in the sky. Do you think that they were related?

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Um, you know what? You know, sometimes, you know, people say that you see things and things kind of follow you around. You know, um, it, it could be, it could be a possibility that, you know, uh, once something kind of gets your, your, your name and number, that you start having more experiences.

• 58:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it could be. You know, the whole cloaking thing or what people describe as like water in the air or like the Predator. Everyone's seen that movie, I'm assuming. You know, a lot of times it gets pushed on with Bigfoot encounters, but I've heard it in Alien Encounters as well. And I really appreciate you sharing it. You know, being a member, John, what, what do you think Sasquatch is?

• 58:59Speaker 03

  What, what do I think Bigfoot is? You know, what's, what's the greatest lie ever told? The greatest lie to me that was ever told is Satan's not real. And I, I don't want to get too, you know, too religious on here, but we fight against things that are not flesh and blood, but principalities and, and, uh, between good and evil, yin and yang. Um, so I, I honestly believe if it's not good, it's demonic. If it ain't, if it ain't of God, and then it's, it's demonic. And it's nothing new is under the sun. It's all, it's all been here and it's, it will

• 59:43Speaker 03

  continue to be here until, until the day of judgment. So, um, it, it, it is what the realm that we, we live in, you know? It's an energy that's been here at, at the beginning of time. That's why, you know, I really feel like they're avatars. If most people can, you know, kind of understand what an avatar is, that they were, they were, at one point in time, they were cast into pigs and they were, ran off into the ocean. There's, there's, uh, but you know what, what kind of gets me though is you hear about them having little ones, you know? So it's, uh, it

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  may be just one of God's creatures, you know? We're one of God's creatures and, um, we, we have bad attitudes, they can have bad attitudes. We kill people, they kill people. One, one of these days, I mean, we'll, we'll probably understand. Um, but at this point in time, it's, it's still a mystery.

• 1:00:46Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's definitely a mystery. It's hard to figure out for sure on what these things are because you could go in so many different directions. I sure appreciate you coming on and sharing these accounts, John. It was a real pleasure having you on.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Wes, thank you. I, I really enjoyed being on here. So, um, just, uh, keep up the good work and we'll keep listening.

• 1:01:10Wes Germer?

  Thanks, John. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance to check out sasquatchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.