SC EP:1278 Bermuda Triangle Survivor

Bermuda Triangle Survivor presents Pilot Bruce Gernon's astonishing experiences flying through the Bermuda Triangle and the groundbreaking theories he has created based on these encounters. He is the only living person to fly through the storm that creates one of the World's greatest mysteries. He has seen its birth and entered the heart at its maturity and escaped while experiencing a space/time warp, then witnessing its dissipation. Over the past four decades thousands of students have contacted him for help with research projects they were doing about the Bermuda Triangle. He has written this book for them and for anyone interested in meteorology and physics. You will learn new meteorological terms like Thunderstorm vortex tunnel, Timestorm and the Circular Vortex tunnel that he flew through in 1970. The most important thing he has discovered has a name that he coined in 1978, it called "ELECTRONIC FOG" and there has been thousands of planes, boats and people that have experienced it. Some seem to have disappeared while they were in the FOG. Could it have the power of an Event Horizon like a Black Hole? It took Bruce Thirty (30) years to discover the theory of how this fog works. He says if you think about a question for a very long time, eventually you will come up with the answer this is what he did. There are many theories of what caused the mystery, and the discovery of Rouge Waves has come to fruition, but that only applies to boats. The mystery still remains and after fifty (50) years "Electronic Fog" has become the case in point. There have been many animations on TV documentaries showing Bruce's flight experience, but none have ever shown it correctly. He has created a new video with animations that are three dimensional and shown never seen before details of what it looked like when he experienced the space/time warp and Electronic Fog. He has hopes that this will help students, researchers and scientists to open their minds and solve the mystery. Bermuda Triangle Survivor: Pilot Tells What He Experienced in The Heart of the Phenomenon https://www.amazon.com/Bermuda-Triangle-Survivor-Experienced-Phenomenon/dp/196065702X/ref=sr_1_2?crid=YUA22TU4NOCN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9. XPoJ1cCI0xccWjCqBNYL2W3kaf3DjEY5lNYHa19CHFKCcooeftb0xEqMPbZ62EB9-fxQphbqJB-vSPmO3oHGALsjXjWGaKyq1AOkdUQAluOFmPxjMg2bskfNWEdhbAzKdLVW4gam0pblmoPG8ns2hQ. ST9Yt_bArORAAcE7QbdAqHam9UaFRlLL-NAfdeV8qss&dib_tag=se&keywords=Bruce+Gernon&qid=1785343398&sprefix=bruce+gernon%2Caps%2C219&sr=8-2 Subscribe to Bruce Gernon's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Beyondbermudatriangle https://www.youtube.com/@Beyondbermudatriangle

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:53Wes Germer?

  The Bermuda Triangle. It's known for swallowing over 2,000 ships and 200 aircraft over the centuries.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  1272, switching Good Day on Flight 3412.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  13000, Flight 3023, on Flight 3412.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Flight 3025, on Flight 342.

• 1:39Wes Germer?

  On December 4th, 1970, Bruce Guernan took off in his Beechcraft Bonanza.

• 1:49Wes Germer?

  Onboard, Bruce had two passengers: his father and business partner.

• 1:58Wes Germer?

  They took off from Andros Island in the Bahamas and headed northwest for the Florida coast.

• 2:06Wes Germer?

  This was a very typical flight for Bruce, as he had made this trip a dozen times. On average, it took him about an hour and a half from Andros to Miami. Bruce took off and started gaining altitude. At around 1,000 feet, Bruce noticed this weird black cloud, and it seemed to be growing.

• 2:27Wes Germer?

  Bruce didn't have a choice: he flew into the black cloud.

• 2:37Wes Germer?

  And he came out the other end just fine.

• 2:41Wes Germer?

  At 11,000 feet, Bruce noticed another very strange cloud. It was massive.

• 2:48Wes Germer?

  Bruce had no choice but to fly into this strange cloud too as well.

• 2:59Wes Germer?

  At that moment, it became dark as night around the aircraft. There was no light coming through. But this wasn't a storm cloud, and it was not raining.

• 3:11Wes Germer?

  All of a sudden, Bruce saw a flash of light.

• 3:15Wes Germer?

  It would appear and vanish, just like lightning, but this wasn't lightning. The flashes were so bright, it lit up everything around the plane. Bruce continued to fly his plane for another 30 minutes when he realized this was the same cloud he had flown through the first time. But now it was in the shape of a tornado: he was almost flying through the center of it. Bruce said it was about a mile wide, and it seemed to be endless.

• 3:43Wes Germer?

  About a minute later, Bruce saw light at the end of the tunnel. Bruce kept the yoke straight ahead: he was almost out of this nightmare. But just then, unexplainable things started happening. The opening of the tunnel started closing in on itself. The navigational instruments on the plane started going nuts. The compass was spinning by itself, counterclockwise.

• 4:18Wes Germer?

  It was like the plane was being operated by something else.

• 4:25Wes Germer?

  Right before the tunnel closed on itself, Bruce was able to break free of this weird fog.

• 4:36Wes Germer?

  Bruce would later say, after he came out of the storm, "For about 5 or 10 seconds, his plane seemed to be weightless." The clouds dispersed, and Bruce was now in this weird grayish haze. After letting out a sigh of relief, Bruce contacted ground control, and he wanted them to determine his location.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  November 9815, link 483, go ahead.

• 5:00Wes Germer?

  Ground control was confused: Bruce's plane was not showing up on radar.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  9815, let me stay last known position.

• 5:08Wes Germer?

  It's almost like he was invisible. A moment later, ground control contacted Bruce and let him know he was showing up on radar now.

• 5:21Wes Germer?

  He was actually in Miami airspace. Bruce was shocked by this information: it couldn't be true. The distance the Beechcraft was supposed to cover was about 250 miles. Remember, the whole trip generally took about 90 minutes, assuming there was no hiccups. But this time, it only took 47 minutes.

• 5:45Wes Germer?

  This model of aircraft can only cruise about 180 miles per hour. When you do the math, you realize this is physically impossible. Bruce thought, "The dispatcher must be mistaken." But after the clouds cleared, Bruce realized he was over Miami airspace. After landing the plane, Bruce thought, "I gotta solve this mystery: there's no way we got here in this time."

• 6:12Wes Germer?

  After landing, Bruce checked the remaining fuel, along with this watch. The plane had not gone through the amount of fuel required for this trip. Bruce had the records pulled from Andros Tower, along with the records from Miami International. Again, the time does not add up. It is physically impossible to make this trip in the amount of time he did it. All the evidence in hand seemed to indicate that Bruce's plane just skipped over almost half of the entire trip. Looking for answers, Bruce took all the evidence to experts and scientists trying to find an answer. No one was able to give Bruce an answer to what happened that day.

• 6:55Wes Germer?

  It's almost like Bruce was able to jump space and time. What really happened on December 4th, 1970?

• 7:10Speaker 03

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind, and it either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up, and that shocked me.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  They don't make people that big.

• 7:38Speaker 04

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 7:52Speaker 04

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  It sounded like a language, and they were chuntering away, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

• 8:04Speaker 04

  I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9", I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  This is Greg Andrews from Orlando, Florida, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 9:17Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. We're gonna be chatting with Bruce Gurnon, and I've always wanted to interview him. There in the intro, you kind of heard the overall story of what happened to Bruce. If you get a chance, go check out his book Bermuda Triangle Survivor. Pilot tells what he experienced in the heart of the phenomenon, and it's available on Amazon. And Bruce and his wife created a YouTube channel called Beyond the Bermuda Triangle. Bruce and his wife Lynn, they put together some pretty cool videos on there. There's animation, and Bruce kind of talks about the tunnel and the electronic fog. But

• 9:58Wes Germer?

  again, I'll include a link below. Go check out the channel and subscribe. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Bruce to the show. Bruce, thanks for coming on.

• 10:29Speaker 05

  Hey Wes, yeah, thanks for having me.

• 10:31Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I appreciate you being here. I've always wanted to interview you, and I've been so fascinated with what happened to you back in 1970. And I know your book Bermuda Triangle Survivor. Pilot tells what he experienced in the heart of the phenomenon. I know it's available on Amazon. Is there any other place people can find that book?

• 10:55Speaker 05

  Uh, no, Amazon's the main distributor of that book. And I wrote that for young adults. So it's not very long. It's only like 100 pages. It's got the most details, though, of I've ever written before about the details of the part where I flew through this huge time storm, I call it, over the Great Bahamas Bank.

• 11:21Wes Germer?

  Well, if you would, would you take me back to 1970 and walk us into this whole encounter that you had out there in the Bermuda Triangle?

• 11:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was on December 4th of 1970. That's the day you're talking about that I had this experience coming back from Andros Island in the Bahamas. And Andros is the largest of all the Bahama Islands. And we were flying out of Palm Beach International Airport. Back then, it was a 210 mile flight, and we would cross Andros interior of the island, which is totally unexplored. And then we'd encounter the Great Bahamas Bank, which is the largest area of

• 12:10Speaker 05

  shallow waters in the Bahamas and maybe even in the entire Caribbean. It's called the Great Bahamas Bank. And it's about 20 feet deep on average. It takes up a large area between Andros Island and Bimini. It's about 50, 50 to 60 miles wide. And the length would be a little bit longer, probably about 100 miles. And we would cross over that and then approach Bimini and then reduce instruments on the airplane. Back then, we didn't have a lot of weather

• 12:54Speaker 05

  instruments, none on the airplane. But we had instruments that would guide us to Bimini. And then we'd go just to make a slight turn to the north, and then we'd head to Palm Beach International. So I had made this flight about a dozen times, because we had a real estate deal we were working on in Andros. And the day before, my dad and I and our business partner all went to Andros, and we were working on the project of developing an island that's

• 13:34Speaker 05

  just off Andros. It's a part of Andros. Everything went good. But so we were planning on leaving first thing in the morning, early in the morning, and probably like at 3, 4 o'clock. And so it started raining, and thunderstorms built up. And by the time it was 7, 8 o'clock in the morning, Andros Island was, looked like it was entirely covered with thunderstorms and lots of lightning. And I was flying VFR back then, not really by instruments like the airlines were doing.

• 14:15Wes Germer?

  What's VFR, Bruce? I'm just curious.

• 14:17Speaker 05

  Visual, means visual flight rules. And then there's IFR, which is instrument flight rules. So when you're flying in band weather, you're supposed to be using the IFRs. And in VFR weather, there's restrictions on visibility. So the visibility was, it was probably three miles, it had to be at least over three miles to go VFR. But we didn't want to fly in thunderstorm weather. So we had to wait it out until finally it started clearing up in the afternoon. And

• 14:54Speaker 05

  so we went to the airport to see how the weather would look. And it was looking okay. It was just a light rain by 2 o'clock in the afternoon. So I pre-flighted the airplane, and we took off. And I took off at exactly 3 o'clock. The time was the main part of aviation back then. It's called dead reckoning. You'd use time and your compass heading to figure out your location, because they didn't have GPS back then, which made a huge difference today, because

• 15:37Speaker 05

  you'd always know where you're located. When we took off, I looked at my watch, and it was exactly 3:00 PM. So that was important, that we know it at the time. And the flight should take right around 90 minutes to get to Palm Beach. And it could be just over that, depends on the winds. And so we climbed up to 1,000 feet, and it was overcast at about 1,500 feet. We didn't know what the weather was. We couldn't get a weather report, which is really required to have a weather report before you go on a trip.

• 16:23Wes Germer?

  Is that something the tower would give you?

• 16:26Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, but you had to get up to altitude to reach the tower. There were no phones on Andros back then. So we flew over the interior of the island at 1,000 feet, and everything was stable, just a light rain, though. And as we approached the Great Bahamas Bank and ocean, I could see that it looked like it was clear weather, which, so that was a good sign. We kept heading out toward the ocean. And then I could look out over the ocean, and I saw this, the first sign of this strange time storm, is what I call it. And this storm was

• 17:09Speaker 05

  really different than many of these other time storms that I've witnessed. This one was more like a squall, you could call it, compared to a squall, and similar in size. But not the first cloud. The first cloud was this lenticular cloud. And lenticular clouds usually only form at very high altitudes, like over 10,000, usually 20,000. That's an old, it's like an old shape cloud, kind of like a lens of a camera. It looked harmless, but it was odd. It was like 105, 100 feet above the Great Bahamas Bank. And it was

• 17:49Speaker 05

  about a mile long and say half mile wide, and maybe 1,000 feet thick. And it had these silky edges to it. That's what made it look different than any other normal cloud at a low altitude. But it looked harmless. So it was right on my flight path. I was using this one instrument called the Automatic Direction Finder, which was just a needle, and it would point to radio tower on Bimini. We were heading direct to Bimini. And so I flew over this cloud. And then I got a hold of Miami radio, and I got up to about 2,000

• 18:31Speaker 05

  feet or so, and started finding my flight plan on the radio. They told me the weather was good. And there were no storms in between Andros and Florida. And so that was great news, and clear sailing, you know. And then when I got to about 4,000 feet, I signed off with Miami flight plan, flight following. And so that's when I noticed that this little cloud that I had flown over was still right below us. That was unusual. And I thought,

• 19:09Speaker 05

  well, hmm, maybe it's the birth of a cumulonimbus thunderstorm. And I just happened to fly right over it at the same exact time that it was growing. So then the cloud caught up to us and we're climbing at 1,000 feet per minute. And it's building up faster than that. So it was probably building up at 1,500 feet a minute. And so I had to go inside the cloud. And there wasn't any good visibility when we got inside it. We kept going and then I was able, I popped out of it after I was in it for maybe 30 seconds or almost a minute.

• 19:53Speaker 05

  And that was good, but then the cloud would catch up to us again and I'd have to go back in it. And this went on about five times I had to go in it. And when we got to 10,000 feet, my dad was the co-pilot and navigator. He suggested that we turn around and go back to Andrew's. So I had to think about that and I I was piloting command, so I told him, well, we're just go a little bit higher. And then, yeah, we have to turn around because we can't fly over 15,000 feet.

• 20:36Speaker 05

  Well, because we just need the oxygen if we got up that high. But then when we got to 11,500 feet, we broke free. It was clear skies again in front of me. And but then when I looked to the sides of me and behind me, I was pretty amazed that this cloud that had built up underneath us had spread out behind us and on both sides of us. And I noticed it was unusual the way it was, it looked like a squall, but the edges of it were almost like that lanticular cloud. They were kind of, they were smooth.

• 21:16Speaker 05

  When I look to the height of it now, it probably built up to over 20,000 feet. And I didn't realize at the time I was going at 105 miles an hour while I was climbing. Apparently it was spreading out way faster than 105 miles an hour. It was building up at maybe 2,000 feet a minute, but it was spreading out. It may be over 200 miles an hour or so. But so visibility was about 10 miles. So on either side of me, I could see it spread out in that semicircle shape, almost like a horseshoe behind us and on the sides of us.

• 22:01Speaker 05

  I leveled off at 11,500 and relaxed at that point. Because I was a little tense going in and out of that clouds. But I didn't get to relax for too long. So I'm cruising out like almost 200 miles an hour. Five minutes later, I look in front of me and now here's that same shape, semicircle or horseshoe shape, tourist shape, they call it. But now it's in front of me instead of behind me. And it's almost like it's embracing me to go through it again. So that's what I did. I penetrated into it.

• 22:44Speaker 05

  But before I did that, I noticed another strange thing. It was, it was laying right on the surface of the ocean. Unlike a normal squall would have like rain underneath it and the cloud base or ceiling would be maybe 1,000 or 2,000 feet. And I could have fallen under that, but there wasn't anything to fly under. And 10,000 feet is the most dangerous part of most storms. I knew I shouldn't fly through it, but I thought I penetrated because it didn't look like it was any lightning in it or anything until I entered it. And then it was kind of strange again.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  The visibility, instead of being like nothing hardly when we were near Andros. Now the visibility was at least two miles because I could see the ocean below me. And we're over two miles high. But there wasn't any rain. But then when I got in like a half a mile, then I saw this lightning. And there were flashes like everywhere, these flashes would go off, not lightning bolts. So they were just flashes, like a strobe light kind of. And the deeper I got, which was at least a mile, almost two miles,

• 24:09Speaker 05

  it turned to black and then turned bright white whenever the flash would go off. So it's really weird. I'm seeing clouds in the ocean below me when it bright and the flash goes. But then when the flash turns off, I can't see anything. It's like in a black abyss. So at that point, I heard about three miles and my dad says, well, what are you gonna do? And I didn't have to really say anything. I just immediately took a left turn and popped back out of the clouds.

• 24:44Wes Germer?

  Can I ask you, Bruce, and I'm not a pilot. I would love to be a pilot. But would it make sense to kind of dive down to the deck to get out of this storm? Or does that make it worse for a pilot?

• 24:57Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, I've flown through storms before and yeah, I would fly underneath them. Right through the rain and the lightning. It'd be a little bumpy and scary when you do that, but you could do that. I was taught to never fly up to the cloud itself because that's where you can encounter updrafts and downdrafts like over 100 miles an hour. And at 10,000 feet, they said is the worst part of the storm. So you should either fly over it or under it, but not through the middle of it.

• 25:34Wes Germer?

  I would imagine too, if you fly through a storm, your chances of getting hit by lightning go up exponentially. When you saw these flashes of light and you thought it was lightning, but it wasn't behaving like lightning, what did you think it was?

• 25:52Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, I thought they were lightning. But the unusual part was that they're kind of like heat lightning was, they used to call that I'd see often, but that would be lightning from a distance. So all you would see is a flash instead of the bolt. And then there's the cloud to cloud lightning, which can be lightning bolts going back and forth in the cloud instead of going down into the ocean or the land. These are just flashes instead of the lightning bolts. So what I thought was this is very intense. And the deeper I went in, the more intense this lightning became.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  So that's why I made a sharp turn to get out of it. It became way too intensive. And I thought it was just another form of lightning. I had talked to some experts that have flown into storms that work for the government. And when I explained that to them, they said, yeah, they've seen that before. They've experienced that before. And yeah, so I flew out of the cloud and so I'm still at 11,500 feet. And so what I figured was I'd well fly along the edge of it and head south. But the first, as soon as I popped out of it, I contacted the Miami Tower.

• 27:18Speaker 05

  And I told them I'm deviating from my flight course, which was direct to Bimini. Bimini was like around 45 miles away. I told them there's a big storm and I don't want to fly through it. So I'm going to go around it. The air traffic controller's at the real comp, you know, no big deal. I can understand why now, but like back then I couldn't. He didn't think there was any storms out there. And apparently this storm didn't show up on radar. Because just 15 minutes ago, they told me there were no storms out there in the Bahamas. And here's this big storm. So he told me, call them, call them back when you get around that storm.

• 28:03Speaker 05

  So sure, okay. So I'm flying along the edge of the storm for a few minutes and then I'm looking in front of me and I can see that the curve of the squall was aiming right back toward the storm that I had just escaped. The one that was right next to Andros. And then I realized, well, the two must be connected. And I'm kind of like trapped inside this donut shaped squall. I wasn't sure what to do exactly then, but then I, I noticed where two of the ends of the squall, and this was like almost on the opposite end of the,

• 28:46Speaker 05

  where the squall formed in Andros. The two opposite ends, they spread out on each side of it. And then they formed this tourist shape. And then the clouds first connected on the bottom. And then there was a big gap, like a valley in between the two clouds where they had connected. And that, and I could see it was clear sky, which was aiming right toward Miami. So I figured, well, I'll just shoot through that valley. So we changed our heading and which was like we're aiming right toward Miami.

• 29:25Speaker 05

  And the clouds kept building up and then the anvil heads formed on the, on the two clouds on each end. And so there was an anvil head that kept forming. And then what happened was the two anvil heads connected to each other on the top, formed a huge round opening now instead of a valley. And here I'm aiming right for it. And so this was a big decision, whether to, to go ahead and fly through this, uh, this big circular opening tunnel or turn around. I figured, well, I didn't want to turn around because I'd end up having to fly through the whole darn storm.

• 30:08Speaker 05

  So I kept going and this tunnel started getting smaller. I've seen these, you know, after that, and I recently got a video of one of these. They usually take from three to five minutes to form right after the two anvil heads meet, form a circular opening, which is probably a mile wide. And then it goes down to half a mile and then within five, three minutes even, they go end up only like a hundred feet in diameter. And, and then it'll collapse and disappear.

• 30:48Speaker 05

  So it started off like a mile wide and, and I'm aiming for it. And then I noticed it's now it's like a half mile wide. And the center of it is a little lower than us. And it's at 10,000 feet, we're in a 105. So I started descending and then I noticed it now it's only say, um, five, 500 feet wide. And so I went to full power and brought the speed up to about 230 miles an hour, the red line.

• 31:26Speaker 05

  And then we shot into the opening, which at that time was decreasing from 500 down to 400 maybe. And the strange thing happened as soon as the aircraft entered the tunnel, it changed its appearance. And these small puffs of clouds instantly formed. And each cloud was about the size of a, say, a school bus. And each one was separated by, say, the, the length of a school bus. And then there'd be another one and, and, and they're all lined up all the way to the end of the, of the other end of the tunnel.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  And there was a whole series of them, like looking down a rifle barrel is what it looked like. And then I noticed it's slowly rotating counterclockwise. And then I noticed that it's shrinking. See, when I entered it, it was at least 10 miles long and horizontal. And, and as soon as I started flying through it, it went from 10 miles long to like only, only a mile long. It slowly shrank while I was in it, it contracted. And that's when I was seeing what I call the fabric of time.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  I was, I was seeing time in space, spacetime activating itself into a different form.

• 32:56Wes Germer?

  What do you mean when you say that?

• 32:59Speaker 05

  Well, it's pretty complicated. I, I just had an interview with AI about this. What they came up with is pretty incredible. I don't have the notes in front of me. They, they explained what I was seeing as I went through this tunnel. I was seeing time being contracted. So it's, it's probably similar to a wormhole, but maybe different than a wormhole. The way it contracted like that. So it ends up, I was, I was only in it for 20 seconds. And, and when I reached the other end of it, the wingtip scraped the edges of it. It was, it had shrunk down to like 30 feet or so.

• 33:42Speaker 05

  And when I looked back after I exited, it, it collapsed right behind me and turned into a slit. That was, and the slit was rotating clockwise now because I'm looking at it from the other end. And the blue sky that I thought I was going to enter disappeared, it wasn't there. I was in this strange gray fog that I, I call electronic fog. I've interviewed many pilots that have been in this electronic fog. And it's not like a regular fog. It, it has an electric magnetic substance in it.

• 34:24Speaker 05

  And so when you look at it and it's kind of sparkles a little bit. You can't really see that far, but it gives you the feeling that you can see far. It's kind of, it's really, really strange to, almost unexplainable. Uh, how you could think you can see far and yet actually you're not seeing very far. It makes everything kind of fuzzy all around you. And as soon as that, and then also zero gravity. I was getting a feeling of zero gravity right around then. But that, that went away after only 10 seconds. And then I look at all my navigational instruments and they're all malfunctioning.

• 35:05Speaker 05

  And so even the magnetic compass, the wet compass in front of us is slowly rotating counterclockwise. And it was rotating around the same speed and direction, counterclockwise as inside the tunnel. So apparently whatever was inside that tunnel, when I got out of it, part of it attached itself to the aircraft. I was able to contact Miami radio. I told them I was like 90 miles east of Miami. They could tell by the tone of my voice, I suppose, that I was in trouble.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  But I was kind of like a macho man back then and acted like I wasn't afraid of anything. And so the, the air traffic controller said was, you can't find me on radar. That didn't help too much. At that point, my dad went into a state of panic and he grabbed the microphone from me and started yelling at the traffic controller. I had to take the mic away from him and calm him down because the airplane was still flying anyway. But I slowed down to about 180 and just concentrated on maintaining the same direction that I was in when I was inside the tunnel.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  I didn't make any turns at all because my instruments were malfunctioning. So I guess I realized I don't want to use my instruments. So I just concentrated on using my mind to steer the plane on the correct heading. And then another strange thing happened. These lines formed around the airplane and they were like parallel to my direction of flight. And I thought the lines went on for, you know, many miles. But in reality, now I realize they just went on for many yards. And what happened was the lines turned into cracks.

• 37:14Speaker 05

  And then the electronic fog electronically dissipated and it took like less than 10 seconds before the cracks that get so wide that they all attached to each other. And then it was just clear skies. And I turned around expecting to see a huge fog bank behind the airplane. And then there was no fog back. I didn't understand that. It took me 30 years actually to understand it, that it was attached us. I wasn't flying through it, I was flying with it. Just as soon as that happens, the air traffic controller comes on the radar and he's, he's really excited. He says, I got an airplane directly over Miami Beach.

• 37:57Speaker 05

  And I told him, no, that can't be us. But my eyes hadn't quite adjusted yet because I was in that dull gray fog. And all of a sudden a bright sun of Florida, South Florida. And then I focused and looked down below and there's Miami Beach right beyond me. And I, I looked at my watch and it said, no. I told the guy, yeah, we're probably 80 miles east of Miami. He says, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, no, wait, that's Miami, you're right. And so I, I signed off there and I flew from there to Palm Beach International.

• 38:37Speaker 05

  And when we touched down, I checked my time and the flight took 47 minutes. And, you know, that wasn't normal. It was like at least 30 minutes ahead of time. And I, I knew something incredible had just taken place, but I didn't understand what it was.

• 38:58Wes Germer?

  I wanted to ask you, Bruce, you and your father and your business partner, you guys had flown this many times. This wasn't like your first flight out of Andros. And many years ago, I sat down and did the math on your Beechcraft Bonanza aircraft, which is a single engine and your top speed is like 200 miles an hour. I'm sure you could redline it and get another 20 miles an hour. But you're not going to push a aircraft like that for very long. You know, what normally takes 90 minutes, I don't even think you could actually do it in an hour with that aircraft. But here you guys did it in 47 minutes. What was that conversation like? I think I would have been freaking out.

• 39:43Speaker 05

  Well, the truth is, we, we didn't have a conversation about it. But I suppose we were, we were all in shock. But there, there was nothing we could say because nothing made sense. What we just did was impossible.

• 40:03Speaker 05

  It didn't seem possible that we did it. And everybody was fine. So we just acted like nothing happened. The Bermuda Triangle had just become well-known at that point. I had never ever heard about it until a year later. I heard that there was this strange occurrences going on out there in the Bahamas and the scientists, Ivan Sanderson was the one that reminded me of it. He said it was, it had something to do with time. And that's when it hit me. I realized that

• 40:44Speaker 05

  what time was the answer really as to what happened? I had never thought of that until he mentioned it. And so I started studying time and and UFOs too, because just, just a month after I had made that flight, I had a close encounter of the first kind, it's called, with a flying saucer. I was flying with a friend at night. And, and I flew over Miami. And then I hit it offshore and it just happened to be the same altitude that I was on before, the 10,000 feet.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  And the same flight path, only maybe in the opposite way is when I had this experience. My friend and I both see way offshore, kind of like a orange light. And it's making a little strange move, just kind of bobbing up and down. It reminds me of the way Columbus explained what he saw once there was, he said it was like a candlelight and it kept making funny moves. And that's what this was doing. And then, and then we got about five miles offshore. And after, we had been watching this thing the whole time for like a minute or so. And all of a sudden it shoots right at us.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  A collision, of course. It came right at us so close, it took up the whole windshield at one point. So it must have been two or 300 feet in diameter. So I thought we were going to die. I thought that was the end. But I went ahead and made a sharp left turn, deep as I could. And when I look back, it was disappeared. So that was really something. So I figured, well, UFOs seem to have something to do with this too.

• 42:44Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's fascinating. You were that close to a UFO. You kind of mentioned it was an orange light. Was it like a ball of light or were you seeing an actual ship, for lack of a better term?

• 42:57Speaker 05

  No, it wasn't. Not, it was not a ball of light. It was, it was a regular flying saucer with glowing orange. Say at least two, over 200 feet in diameter and maybe 50 to 80 feet thick. And then it had a dome on the top of it. That's not the first one I saw. But I mean, that's the first one that I got close to. But then after that, I, I saw more of these flying saucers that all looked the same.

• 43:34Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I want to ask you about that. I know you even had a Bigfoot encounter. I promised your wife I would only keep you an hour. And I don't want her yelling at me. Kind of going back to the tunnel for a moment. I realize all your gauges and everything are just going crazy while you're flying through this tunnel. But were the actual controls of the plane, were they working? I mean, did you have? I realize when you get out to the gray fog, you know, your plane is kind of weightless. You're, you're experiencing this weightlessness. But in the actual tunnel, did you have control over the plane?

• 44:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, physically, the plane had complete control. Of course, the yoke controls the elevators and the rudders and tail with cables. So it's all physical stuff. It was just the electronic stuff. Anything electronic was malfunctioning. But the engine kept humming, so that was good. What pilots do though, is they, when they get in this electronic fog, they, they don't realize that there is such a thing as electronic fog. And even if they did realize that they would, they wouldn't know it's attached to them. They think maybe they're flying through a haze or something like that.

• 44:54Speaker 05

  That makes them lose the control and end up having spatial disorientation. And then entering a graveyard spiral. It's happened many times to pilots.

• 45:07Wes Germer?

  How long were you guys flying in that electronic fog?

• 45:12Speaker 05

  Exactly three minutes. My dad went into a state of panic at one point. And then this is what this electronic fog can do to you. And then our passenger went into a state of nauseousness. He couldn't, he, when he tried to speak, it would only be like a mumble coming out. He couldn't understand that one word. And that was why we were in the fog. So I had to completely ignore him. Because he started to distract me, trying to talk to me and I, he was, he was all messed up. So it can do many things to you. It can make you pass out. That's another thing. It can do it. It can like put you asleep.

• 45:54Wes Germer?

  And when you came out of that tunnel, Bruce, you're now in this fog. You had said that there was lines forming. Would you kind of describe what you were actually seeing?

• 46:05Speaker 05

  Well, I think it had something to do with the, the atmosphere of transitioning from over the ocean to over the land. Because that's exactly where it took place. It took place real fast. It was only five seconds and it was gone. So it's kind of hard to explain. I've got it on my YouTube channel. And Bermuda Files is the name of my channel. And if you Google my name, you can see the, all these videos we've made. And one of the videos or two will show what it looked like when, when the fog dissipated. It's animated.

• 46:49Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I'll include a link to your channel, Bruce. And I hope people go check it out and subscribe. I have watched some of the animations on your channel. The channel's called Beyond the Bermuda Triangle. Check it out if you get a chance. Bruce, you know, when you were flying through that tunnel and as it was kind of collapsing on you, do you think if you were still inside of it when it collapsed, it would have killed you?

• 47:15Speaker 05

  That's a good question, because I've been thinking about that for over 50 years. I think I would have died. Yeah, I think I would have died. Whether I disappeared is what the big question is. Would I have like disintegrated into another dimension, maybe? That's the big question. Because I know there was a, a young kid way back in 1978, he flew a small airplane like mine, only even smaller, a little Cessna 172. And he had two of his buddies with him. And they were, they were going into the Bahamas.

• 47:57Speaker 05

  And so they were over Miami, then they started heading out to, you know, probably Bimini, because that's a local pattern. And when he got quite a ways offshore, he entered a tunnel and it sounds like the same area where I was. And when they got inside the tunnel, they didn't make it to the other end. So now he's like 10, 20 miles offshore of Miami. And then he pops out of the cloud. And it ends up, he's over Cuba. So he was transported, just like I was. And he ended up being transported to the south. Where I went to the west.

• 48:38Speaker 05

  So they transported him south, southeast, and he ends up right over Cuba. And he, he wasn't even sure what island it was. So he saw a road and he landed on the road. And I guess they're still all right, but everything's kind of still kind of hazy, they said. So he gets, lands on a road there. Guess he meets, he meets a farmer or something like that. The guy's speaking Spanish. He's, where am I? Cuba. He goes, oh no, I gotta get out of here. Because back then they were having problems in Cuba. So he, they popped back in the airplane and they took off again. And then apparently this electronic fog was still attached to him.

• 49:20Speaker 05

  So now he's, he's flying somewhere in the Bahamas. And he's, I guess he's all confused. And he ended up crash landing in in the great Exuma, I think it's called, or Inagua. Inagua, that's another, almost 200 miles away. Apparently he couldn't handle it very well because the fog was still messing him up. And this time they made a crash landing. And he died. But the two, two buddies of his survived. And they got to tell the story, but neither of them were pilots. They didn't know what the hell happened, but they did explain about the tunnel and the fog.

• 50:05Speaker 05

  So your question was, would I have died? And I would say, well, yeah, probably. I would have either done a crash landing, being so disoriented with the fog and lose control of the airplane. Or I would have disappeared. That, that's the really big question. Do they actually leave the earth into another reality? There's a lot of theories now. Where they go if they disappear now, if they went through a portal, because they're saying these tunnels could be portals to another reality.

• 50:46Wes Germer?

  You know, the Bermuda Triangle really is a weird, weird place. There's so many ships that have vanished there. It's not just aircraft, but actual boats. I think it was back in 1918, the USS Cyclops. It was a Navy cargo ship and it had about 300 people on board. Just vanished. No one knows what happened to it. And I'm sure you know, the famous case of flight 19 back in 45, where five US Navy, I believe they were flying Avengers and they run a normal training exercise. And I believe the, the flight lead, his name was Charles Taylor.

• 51:31Wes Germer?

  But all of those guys in that flight, they had flown that training mission several times. This was kind of a final mission and they vanished. They were gone. No one knows what happened to them. And then the rescue plane that went out after them also vanished. And there's a lot of theories trying to explain it away as something normal. But almost in all these cases, right before the people vanish, they're having trouble with the radio communications. I think in a flight 19's case, the tower couldn't see them. They could communicate with them over the, the radio, but they couldn't see them.

• 52:13Wes Germer?

  And Charles Taylor, the, the flight lead, he was like disoriented. It makes me wonder if the rest of the guys were disoriented. Because any one of those guys could have been the flight lead. Do you think some of these strange cases of, especially when it comes to aircraft, them vanishing, do you think that they most likely experienced what you experienced?

• 52:36Speaker 05

  Nobody, nobody's flown through that tunnel that's alive anyway, right now. I'm the only one. But many, many pilots and boats have been in the electronic fog. So this tunnel only lasts like three to five minutes and then it's gone. But when, when it closes, my theory is that it emits like a sphere of this electronic fog. And similar to other fogs, the electronic fog can last for many hours. And according to the winds, if there are updrafts, it can go up higher. And a plane could fly into it up high. Or it could drift down to earth or over the ocean.

• 53:20Speaker 05

  And a boat or a person walking even, or a car could enter it. I've had, over the years, there've been many people that have called me, that have been in the electronic fog. And I kind of helped relieve their minds because they, some of them were really bothered because they, they also went through space time. There was a gap, all of a sudden they're in another place. It could be 10 miles away or 20, whatever. They kept thinking, am I crazy? Or did this really happen? And after I explained to them, it really happened because it happened to me. And that kind of relieves them when they hear me tell them that.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  So yeah, that fog, it's affected many people.

• 54:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I was thinking about the, the, the account that the gentleman shared with you, Bruce, how they were flying and then all of a sudden they're over Cuba and couldn't figure out how they got over Cuba. And it makes me wonder about going back to flight 19. You know, one of the theories is Charles Taylor turned the wrong way, got way off course, got lost, ran out of gas, and they all had to ditch their planes in the ocean. But people tend to forget, these guys had flown that, that same mission several times over. And these were all experienced guys. These are very experienced Navy pilots.

• 54:53Wes Germer?

  And flying this same pattern over and over and over again, and this is the final time, Charles took a wrong turn, I just don't buy it. That'd be like you and I going to, it'd be like me going to the grocery store I go to every week. And it's like, well, I just took a wrong turn and you know, Wes is gone. He vanished. It doesn't make any sense. And so maybe going along with that theory with Charles Taylor, maybe he did fly off course. But maybe it was something like what happened to you and what happened to that other guy that shared that account with you. And I know you had brought up time storms. You know, when you, when you think about like wormholes and black holes, a lot of weird stuff happens with time.

• 55:37Wes Germer?

  They've actually proven with math, like with a black hole. If I were to see you Bruce fly into a black hole and I'm at a distance, I would never actually see you enter that black hole. It would almost be like kind of pausing a movie. But from your time perspective, you'd be dead. You'd gone through the black hole, you'd be crushed, you'd be dead. But from my perspective, I would just see you start to enter the black hole, but never really enter it. And I realize wormholes and black holes are two different things. But a lot of weird stuff happens with time in wormholes as well. You had brought up time storms. Have you seen, and I'm not talking about the electronic fog. I'm talking about the actual tunnel you flew through. Had you seen that before?

• 56:24Speaker 05

  I've seen many, many of them. They, they formed in between two thunderstorms. I've got, I had one good photo of them that I captured in, in 1978. But just recently, I not only captured photos, I got a video. And we took it from a top of a five story condominium facing Florida Bay and the Everglades. And many of these storms form over the Everglades. So we watched this one form and I could tell, oh, it's going to be a, a tunnel vortex. And so we actually got a video of it.

• 57:07Speaker 05

  The whole thing took like about five minutes and then it dissipated. But we got some incredible footage of it. And then they, we took a close up of it. It showed that the tunnel, just before it collapsed, started changing shapes, like polygonal shapes. And then it ended up in a square rectangle, about 30 feet in diameter. I showed this, I've been working with a scientist and he's a meteorologist and physicist and mathematician and he's the first one I showed him the closeups of the tunnel.

• 57:51Speaker 05

  And he said, he's in Nebraska, a professor there, their college, the University of Nebraska. And he writes back to me, oh no, those are just pixels. He said, that's, that's not a really square. I thought it was though, but so I took the, the digital photo to Miami laboratory for photography. After I'd asked some experts and they all said, that's real. It's not pixels. So they had the real laboratory analyzing and they said, it's real. Those aren't pixels. And so then I sent it back to my professor. And so he apparently did a lot of work on it.

• 58:36Speaker 05

  And he, he thinks we discovered something amazing. It has to do with physics. He says, when it turned into a polygon, that's an indication of it's, it's affecting space time.

• 58:51Speaker 05

  He's been working on this for years. And it's evolved into the creation of a warp drive engine that he's created in his laboratory. And he's even got a patent on it now. So he says in his laboratory, he's created the, the same thing that I experienced when I went through the tunnel. He can transport space time. When I came out of the tunnel, that's when I really got teleported. See, I entered it 100 miles from Miami. I was in it like 20 seconds at the most. And when I came out of it, I thought I was like 90 miles from Miami, but I wasn't 90 miles from Miami.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  I came out of it only 10 miles offshore of Miami. So I was teleported 80 miles, like instantly almost.

• 59:48Wes Germer?

  I think when your average person hears that, that it sounds insane. But we know where you took off from. We know where and when you took off from. We know where and when you landed and we know what you were flying. I could probably buy into that theory. And I would love to see any research or anything about that professor there in Nebraska. I'm going to look that patent up. One of the other things I was curious about, when you guys landed, was there any physical effects that you guys had from the tunnel or the fog?

• 1:00:27Speaker 05

  Uh, well, let me see. Latest thoughts are that there could be something that they've discovered. They have at the Skinwalker Ranch out in Utah. There's, there's something going on there. It's like, it could be a portal. Their scientists are analyzing it. But they say you get, they, some of the people that go there, they get what's called the hitchhiker effect.

• 1:00:55Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and the hitchhiker effect is, I guess, a simple example would be you're investigating a haunted home and things come home with you afterwards. Is that kind of what you mean? I mean, would you explain the hitchhiker effect?

• 1:01:11Speaker 05

  The hitchhiker, I can explain the hitchhiker effect with me, but the hitchhiker effect that they get, I'm not too sure about it. It relates to the, to that ranch and the strange things that are going on there. But the way it might relate to me is that it's made me closer to time, more or less spacetime. And I can, I can kind of see the future sometimes, and I can say something that's in the future sometimes without even realizing that I said it until I hear me say it. And it comes true in the future. That's happened quite a few

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  times with me. The first time I got it was shortly after I had had that experience in the Bermuda Triangle, a year or two later it was. And I, I knew we were going to see a flying saucer coming back from a ski trip we made in North Carolina. And we were on an airliner. And so I got the window seat on purpose because I knew it would be offshore. And then sure as heck, when we started coming into Palm Beach, descending, there it was,

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  a huge UFO, just like the one that I had a close encounter with. And it was cruising just offshore, not far offshore. And it was glowing orange, and it was same size as the one that I experienced earlier. And when it would go through a cloud, it would light up the whole cloud, and you couldn't see it. There were scattered cumulus clouds. And then it would come out and you could see it was incredible. And then after we saw that, that I realized I could see it again the next night if we went to the ocean off

• 1:03:13Speaker 05

  of Delray Beach, South Florida. I'd see the flying saucers again. So we'd go to the beach, and I knew it would happen around nine o'clock at night. And here they come. And so the first one, they were further offshore this time, they were a mile and a half offshore. And the first one comes from the south, and it's going, and they're going fast, six, 700 miles an hour. And it goes from the north to the south, right by us in just a matter of like five seconds or something. And then when it disappears out of sight to the south,

• 1:03:54Speaker 05

  here comes another one on the same exact flight path, all heading toward the, you know, like the Bermuda Triangle, I guess you could say. And the second one, the same thing. And then, and then here comes a third one, and I had these zoom binoculars, and I zoomed in on it with the binoculars, and I could see, oh yeah, that's definitely the same kind we saw before with a dome on the top. And then the fourth one comes by, same thing. And then the fifth one comes by, and when it gets right even with us, it makes a right-hand

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  turn with no radius, no curve, a square turn at 600 miles an hour. And it was silent, and then it flew right over our head. My wife was with me. And then when it got over our head, it made a flash of a green light and a red light, and then a white light as it left. Kind of like imitating an airplane, but it wasn't an airplane. It was only like about 500 feet above us or so. And it was silent. And my partner, Rob McGregor, I wrote

• 1:05:08Speaker 05

  two books with him. The two, first two books we wrote, he's a great writer. He said that when it flew over me, it was as if it was saluting me. So I kind of felt like that too.

• 1:05:29Wes Germer?

  I was wondering, when you said earlier, you thought UFOs and these time storms were related, kind of what you meant by that. Prior to this experience in the Bermuda Triangle, had you seen UFOs before?

• 1:05:45Speaker 05

  I was 10 years old, living in South Florida. We had just moved there. My uncle and his family were business partners with my dad, and they were developers. And so that, when he was at, my uncle and his kids, they were all at a drive-in theater. And when they're driving back home, they see this sphere, a white sphere in the sky. This, this, they thought this sphere was almost like fog, and it was making a bunch of weird turns and stuff. And so then they, they all came home, and their home was right across

• 1:06:27Speaker 05

  the street from ours. So they all come running over to our house, and they said, well, there's something weird out here. You guys got to see this. So we came out, and then, and so then, and then here's this sphere, it was perfectly round, and it was white, like plasma. And it was about a half a mile away from us. And it was not much over 100 feet high. And it was hovering. And we came out, and I got to watch it for over a minute. And then after about a minute or two, these strange drippings, like they look like, almost like

• 1:07:09Speaker 05

  dripping plasma, started coming out from the bottom half of the sphere, and dripping down, and then dissipating just before they hit the ground. Then there was no other houses near it. It was out to the west of us, where there was just the woods. And it drips from the sphere for about 30 seconds or so. And then it just shot straight up and out of sight within like a second, it was gone. It appeared to have an intelligence anyway. I don't know if it was, if there were aliens inside it, but something was controlling it, either aliens or it controlled itself somehow.

• 1:07:54Wes Germer?

  You know, I've heard other eyewitnesses talk about that. I remember one account, the eyewitness said it was like gold, a liquid gold coming off the craft and dripping down. The weird part, though, there was no residue, there was nothing left. And I know we're getting pretty close to the hour, and I promised Lynn I wouldn't keep you over an hour. But it's been a real pleasure chatting with you, Bruce. It's been a real honor, actually. I started reading about your case back in 2014, and I think it was either 2020 or 2021, I kind of created that audio reenactment everyone heard at the beginning of the show.

• 1:08:34Wes Germer?

  But to check out Bruce's book, go to Amazon, it's Bermuda Triangle Survivor. Pilot Tells What He Experienced in the Heart of the Phenomenon. And also subscribe to Bruce's channel. You got a lot of cool stuff on there. I was talking to your beautiful wife earlier, and I know you both work really hard on the channel, and you guys really should have more views. There's a lot of cool animation like we were talking about earlier. Go subscribe to Beyond the Bermuda Triangle, and I'll include a link below, and check out some of Bruce's videos. But again, it's been a real honor, Bruce. Thank you so much for coming on.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, I really appreciate you helping me to spread the word, because most of people probably believe, the majority of the people don't believe there's anything abnormal going on. It's all just natural in the Bermuda Triangle. But I agree, though, it is natural. The electronic fog is a natural phenomenon. And I believe that's the cause of the weirdness that goes on in the Bermuda Triangle. That's the main theory. And there's, there's a lot of authors now that are believing that, and then telling everybody that it's the electronic fog that is so mysterious. So thanks for helping to spread the word about it.

• 1:10:00Wes Germer?

  Anytime, Bruce. You're welcome anytime. Thank you again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. Time, everyone.

• 1:13:04Speaker 06

  And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking.

• 1:13:16Speaker 06

  Racing around to cover behind you again.

• 1:13:23Speaker 06

  The sun is the same, you're running away but you're

• 1:13:31Speaker 06

  Shining bright, the one day comes and takes it.