SC EP:1235 Strange Kansas

Tonight, we'll be talking with Arkey from Kansas, who experienced several encounters with these creatures during the 1980s. He'll also share details about a much more recent incident, when he was fishing and found himself roughly 70 feet away from one of these beings, describing a very unusual interaction. We'll also hear from Will, also from Kansas, who witnessed one of these creatures cross directly in front of his vehicle. Just before that sighting, he recalls noticing something strange moving in the sky.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out of here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh.

• 1:36Speaker 03

  This is Robo Bobo from Bigfoot and Beyond and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:15Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show. Tonight, we'll be speaking with RK who is from Kansas. And growing up, he had a few run-ins with these creatures and we're going back to the 80s. He didn't really know what they were or what he had actually seen at the time. But he had a very recent encounter when he was out fishing and found himself about 70 feet away from one of these creatures. He describes a very strange interaction he had. And then we'll wrap up with Will, who is also from Kansas. And he witnessed this creature crossing directly in front of his vehicle. Just before that sighting, he recalls seeing something strange in the sky.

• 2:55Wes Germer?

  And I'll let Will go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome RK to the show. RK, thanks for coming on.

• 3:22Speaker 05

  Glad to be here.

• 3:23Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I'm glad to have you, RK. And normally I ask people, you know, what did you think about Bigfoot prior to the sighting? But you had a lot of weird things happen when you were growing up. And I know we're going back to the 80s and this takes place in Kansas. Before we get to the main incident, tell me about some of these other weird things that happened to you.

• 3:47Speaker 05

  My first encounter was back around seventy seven, but it was at my dad's farm with my brother deer hunting. And I saw someone about three hundred yards away, thought it was a man in a ghillie suit. And I looked at him through my scope and, uh, you know, I had no intention to pull the trigger because, uh, you know, I thought it was a man in a ghillie suit, but then I got to looking at him through the scope and I'm like, that's too large to be a man. I wonder what that is. Uh, I was young then. I was seventeen. So, uh, you know, I hadn't heard that much about Bigfoot or anything at that time. And, uh, when my brother went over there, he found footprints in the dust. And he said that they was about sixteen to eighteen inches long because we didn't have a tape measure.

• 4:32Speaker 05

  But, uh, we measured the tree he was standing by and he had to be at least ten foot tall. And we said, that was no man in a goo- ghillie suit. And that, that was a real brief encounter. It probably lasted maybe twenty seconds, thirty seconds. But we heard some strange noises in the timber that day and what I know now is probably what as, uh, Sasquatch calls, you know, a, a lot like what, I know you know who Bobo is, Bobo Fay from Finding Bigfoot. Uh, a lot like what he does on there and a couple of them was like what Cliff does, those quick chirping sounds like Cliff makes.

• 5:09Wes Germer?

  And I know the call that, uh, Bobo does. I don't know that I know the one that Cliff does. The, the noises that you heard, were they after you saw this thing?

• 5:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, after we saw it, yeah.

• 5:23Wes Germer?

  And I know this thing is like several hundred yards away and you're trying to look at it through a scope and what was that conversation like with your brother and then what was the conversation like afterwards when you guys walked over there and you're finding these tracks?

• 5:39Speaker 05

  Well, he was at another hunting blind at the time I saw this. And when he came over to join me for lunch, he was telling me about the sounds that he'd been hearing over his blind. And I told him what I saw and I was like, back then, people didn't talk about it because he was either seeing things or on some kind of drugs or something and, uh, just didn't talk much about it except for I told him what I saw and he went over to check it out.

• 6:06Wes Germer?

  Do you think that the creature was aware that you were there?

• 6:10Speaker 05

  Uh, looking back at it, I don't think he did, but you know, these things are more aware than what we, what we are. They're more aware of their surroundings. I'm quite sure.

• 6:21Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it could be. Tell me, leading up to this main encounter, had anything else happened to you when you've been out there?

• 6:30Speaker 05

  Well, I had two others before I had this one, cause I had one, I was out in western Kansas up around Norton. That's the, that's the northwest corners of the state of Kansas. I was coming back from Hayes and the driver of the car and the front passenger was pointing to something on the driver's side of the road. And they pulled over to look at it. So I turned naturally to look, see what they was looking at. And I seen this creature dragging a Jersey cow by its hind leg. And he stepped behind a, uh, one of those big round hay bales. But you could still see him over the top of the hay bale. They'd stopped and pulled alongside the road and was sitting there pointing at it. And after it kind of disappeared into the timber, uh,

• 7:15Speaker 05

  the driver turned around, looked at me and says, you didn't see that, did you? Like, we're not going to tell anybody if you don't tell anybody type thing. I said, I, I didn't see anything. If you didn't see anything. He said, that's a good answer. Uh, the second encounter is I was down at Pomona Lake and it was like one o'clock in the morning, was out there fishing. And, uh, I felt like something was near, you know, I just had that feeling because I'm a hunter. And, you know, out in the outdoors a lot, I just had this feeling that something wasn't quite calm. And I stood up to look around and there's a street light about, oh, a hundred, 150 yards away. So I had a little back illumination.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  And I seen this big shadow move about 20 feet from me and just basically walk across my field of view. And he didn't stop. He didn't look around. He was like he was on a mission or something.

• 8:14Wes Germer?

  And I know these are very brief encounters, even the one that you saw that you thought was a huge guy in a ghillie suit. You know, at the time, I know it's back in the seventies and eighties, but what did you think you were looking at? What did you think that they were?

• 8:31Speaker 05

  Well, back in the seventies and eighties, I, you know, I wasn't sure. I mean, like I said, back then, you didn't hear too much about Bigfoot or Sasquatch because people didn't want to talk about it because, you know, people thought you was crazy if you, you'd seen something. But this last, the last three all took place here in the state of Kansas in the, in the 2000s. What the one out in Norton was in 22. And then I had one on October the 14th of 26 or 25, excuse me. That was the one out of Pomona. And I had the big one that everybody's talking about

• 9:16Speaker 05

  out of Clinton Lake in September the 13th of 25.

• 9:22Wes Germer?

  Yeah. And I know the most recent one, Sybilla Irwin did a drawing of what you saw, and I'll post it underneath this episode. But if you would, take me back to 2025. What were you doing? And what happened? What'd you end up seeing?

• 9:40Speaker 05

  Well, it started out that we, me and my fishing partner was dropped off because his, his girlfriend had to go to work in Lawrence. And so we was out there with the two pit bulls. And we was out fishing on that Bloomington East Courtesy dock there at Clinton Lake. At right after sundown, which was like 7:30, I think it was. I usually give Sasquatch calls just to see if we can get any kind of response. You know, sometimes I get a Sasquatch, sometimes I get coyotes, sometimes I get owls, and there's other times it just goes dead quiet.

• 10:14Speaker 05

  But after I gave my call, we got a very faint response. So I gave another call and got a response to that. Then it went silent. I mean, everything went silent. You couldn't hear the geese or anything. And about 20 minutes later, there was a couple of rocks splashed down beside the dock beside us. And they were pretty good sized splashes, so pretty good sized rocks, I'm estimating. So we turned to the parking lot to see what or who might have threw the rocks because we thought maybe someone was up there screwing with us. And we seen the eye shine. And my fishing partner said, I'm gonna stay here with the dogs. Because I told him I was gonna go up and check it out.

• 10:55Speaker 05

  And I had my machete with me just in case it was something that, you know, I might need to defend myself from. And when I got up to the parking lot, these eyes shine kept backing up a ways. And we finally got to a point where we was about 70 feet apart and he stopped and I stopped. And we sat there and exchanged grunts for about, I'm guessing 20 to 30 minutes. The whole thing took place over about a 40 minute period of time. But we, some of his grunts were real quick grunts, like some of them were real long, like.

• 11:35Speaker 05

  But none of them felt threatening or dangerous. And I put my machete away and he lowered his shoulders and we just kind of sat there and grunting back and forth at each other for about 20 minutes. 20, maybe 30 minutes, you know, I wasn't watching my watch. And yeah, when stuff like that goes on, sometimes it just seems like it's taking longer than it is. I got a bite on one of my fishing poles and the bell rang. So I turned to look to see what my fishing pole was doing. And when I turned back around, he started walking away. And as he walked away, he was letting out a real soft whistling sound.

• 12:13Wes Germer?

  So, R K, do you, when you walk up, do you see the creature? And then you start grunting? Or it starts grunting and you're mimicking it?

• 12:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, after we got within like, we started grunting probably before I was at 70 feet, but right around the 70 foot mark, I came to a stop and he stopped and, you know, if I moved to my right, he'd move to his left to mimic my moves. And if I stepped forward, he'd step backwards and if I stepped backwards, he'd step forward, you know, just totally mimicking my moves. And then like I said, we grunted each other, mimicking each other's grunts. I was definitely close enough to tell that this wasn't an old man in a costume or no bear or anything like that. There's no bears in this part of Kansas.

• 13:02Wes Germer?

  And I'll post the artwork or the drawing that Sibylle Irwin did of what you saw that day. And it'll be underneath this episode, but for the audience, would you describe what you were seeing?

• 13:15Speaker 05

  Well, this guy was, we measured him out because he was standing right beside a tree. We was able to measure him to a branch. We measured him out at eight foot, three inches tall. And we estimate between 1,100 and 1,200 pounds. He had a, his fur was like two to four inches long, different lengths in different places, but it was kind of like the color of a timber wolf, you know, the salt and pepper, the grays and browns and different shades. But it was like a timber wolf's coat. If anybody knows what a timber coat or timber wolf looks like, they have an idea of what I'm talking about. It wasn't black or anything like that. Uh, real broad shoulders.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  We guesstimate four to five foot shoulders. Arms down almost to his knees. He kind of stood in a, not a crouch, but a little slouch, you know? Kind of like, you know what a grouch walk is? Or a grouch stance like the police use? That's kind of how he was standing, like he was ready to respond. If something went down, but definitely seemed muscular, his chest muscles and everything.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  It was warm enough. I couldn't, you know, it was like fifty five, sixty degrees out there that day. So he wasn't, couldn't see his breath, but you can see his chest rising and falling as he breathes and lips moving and got a real good look at him. Like, like I described it to a lot of other people. Uh, the artist rendition, she uh, finally got it right. When I told her that, that his nose looked like more like Morgan Freeman's nose than an ape's nose, like everybody thinks they do. He was a lot more human looking than I thought he was. He looked more like a caveman than a, than an ape. Definitely larger than a human, but like I said, a lot of proportions were similar to humans. He had the, the big brow ridge like it, like the Neanderthals kick, you know,

• 15:14Speaker 05

  uh, a conical shaped head like a gorilla, but like I said, most of his features was like a human. He had no facial hair. His skin tone was like someone that had a real good tan with maybe a little bit of ash color to it. Uh, eyebrows, deep set eyes. And the only reason his eyes glowed was, was I'm pretty sure it was just because of my headlamp that I had on.

• 15:37Wes Germer?

  Did you notice at any point during this encounter, did his expressions change at all?

• 15:44Speaker 05

  I didn't notice him that much. Uh, I was more concerned about watching what he was doing, like he got kind of keeping an eye on his arms and his legs. Cause I, I knew as, as close as we were, if he decided to do something, there wasn't much I was going to be able to do about it anyway, but I wanted to be at least be able to react.

• 16:03Speaker 05

  People say, well, he was either really brave to go up there or crazy. And I said, well, maybe I was crazy, stupid brave. But uh, I was more curious and I think he was more curious about me.

• 16:16Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I know everyone reacts different. I don't know that I would have reacted the way you did. Did it not concern you at all? You know, seventy feet sounds like a long distance away, but you blink and this thing's on top of you. Did it concern you at all? Being this close and interacting?

• 16:34Speaker 05

  No, not really. Cause like I said, I didn't feel threatened, but everybody says, well, well, you didn't feel threatened up there? Well, I, I've been in a lot of situations when I was in the Navy. And you know, I faced danger and I've looked it down the gun barrel and uh,

• 16:51Speaker 05

  I just didn't feel any of that threat. I was in the moment and I didn't have that flight mode.

• 17:00Wes Germer?

  Well, you're definitely a stronger man than I am. I must be a weak man. You know, when I was a bouncer, I've had guns pulled on me on two occasions and I could tell you every detail about both of those guns, including the barrel. And I'm sure those two men could probably do the same as they looked down my barrel. And that's not bravado, that's just self-preservation. But you know, I was scared. I mean, you know, I think shooting someone would be the worst day of my life, in my heart anyway, especially over nothing, words, hot air. But you know, I was scared. Sasquatch, on the other hand, terrified me.

• 17:40Wes Germer?

  And maybe I'm just a weak man, but the overall size of it, I mean, I could have, and I was armed at the time, I could have shot this thing, emptied the clip, it would have smiled and just kept coming. There had been nothing I could have done to stop it. Having said all that, though, you know, this grunting, over the years, I've heard that and I've kind of come to the conclusion, of my opinion anyway, that that grunting is an acknowledgement. I know some people, it comes across as being aggressive. I don't think that's meant to be aggressive. Still would have scared me. At no point during this whole time, did he get frustrated that you were mimicking him?

• 18:25Speaker 05

  He didn't seem to be agitated to me. He seemed very relaxed. And like I said, once I put my machete away in its sheath, he lowered his shoulders and his facial expressions, that's the one time I did notice him, he seemed to relax. So I think he realized that I wasn't there to hurt him and I was hoping that he wasn't there to hurt me. I think the worst thing anybody can do is to actually turn around and run from him because they're a predator. That's going to trigger an attack response.

• 18:57Wes Germer?

  I think for normal predators, I would agree with you on that. Sasquatch, on the other hand, doesn't behave like a normal predator to where they'll run into that chase response if you take off running. I still wouldn't, I'm with you on it, though. I still wouldn't recommend anyone take off running. Have you ever gone back?

• 19:17Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, I went back here. I was back here for the next three months, almost every night because she was going to Lawrence to work and I was watching the dogs and that was a great way to do it because I love to fish and it didn't bother me. When I was out there, I'd hear him back there because he, when he walked by, he let out a holler and just keep going. And if I caught a couple, two or three fish, I'd leave him, leave him one up there by the tree where we originally had our encounter and

• 19:49Speaker 05

  I'd hear him in the, in the brush behind there and I'd occasionally I'd say, this is for you, my friend. And then I'd just turn around and walk away after I laid the fish down.

• 19:58Wes Germer?

  I get the obsession of wanting to go back. Did you, was it mainly vocalizations? Is that what you're hearing? Or did you ever see him again?

• 20:07Speaker 05

  Since that time, uh, mostly just vocal. I've seen movement that I thought was him, but I couldn't be a hundred percent sure. I could, I wouldn't even say I was 80% sure it was him, but I've seen movement that I thought might've been him.

• 20:22Wes Germer?

  You know, I've heard many accounts of them grunting. There's one in particular I can think of where it was a hunter. I want to say it was in Virginia, somewhere on the east coast. And this thing was great. There was two of them and the one that started grunting, he shot it. And even through his encounter, I, I didn't think that it was really being aggressive with him. And like I said, I'm kind of convinced that it's more of an acknowledgement type vocalization that they do when they grunt. What, what do you make of that behavior? Have you going down there and this thing starts grunting and you start mimicking it and it kind of hangs around?

• 21:02Speaker 05

  Well, I thought it was educational because I got to, got to see really what he looked like and how he responded. And you know, I'm, for a long time I've known that they're not the monsters we humans make them out to be. I don't really think us humans are more monsters than the Bigfoots are.

• 21:23Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I don't think that they're the killing machines that some people think they are, but I think if you push your luck, you'll find a killing machine pretty quick. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What, what's your take? I mean, you got a really good look at this thing.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  Uh, an offshoot of the human chain, maybe, maybe across between, you know, something in along the evolutionary chain that between an ape and a human. Uh, I mean, he walks upright. He's got a fur coat. Everybody refers to him as a hominid. But, uh, I said, he looked more human than ape to me, but other than his size.

• 22:06Wes Germer?

  And I know that hominids actually do cover humans. Um, so kind of what you, I mean, you were thinking it was more human like, especially in the face and everything that you saw that day. It would be much easier to catch an animal than a human. Why do you think it's so difficult? Why do you think no one's caught up with them?

• 22:27Speaker 05

  I think they're smarter than we are. But, uh, if you go back in time, the Native Americans, a lot of the Native Americans said they used to sit down and be outside their circle when they had powwows and they would communicate with them. They had a running dialogue with them, like they would trade goods with them. Sasquatch would bring them things and you know, even the, uh, I believe it was the Potawatomi tribe had here in this location had a chief and his name, they've, they call him Chief Bigfoot, but I forget what his real name was, but and Lakota Sioux had, had one they called Chief Bigfoot too. So, you know, they go back and they say the Native Americans have had interactions with them for thousands of years.

• 23:12Speaker 05

  I forget, I forget which one it is. I think it's the Navajo believe that he is a dimension shifter. That he's a, he's a spirit walker. But, uh, I've been doing a lot of research into it over the years and I'm not sure, cause I have had, had times when I found footprints that I knew was a Sasquatch. And I'd be following, try to see if I could see, figure out where he's going. And it'd be in the snow and they'd go out onto this lake and then just disappear. There'll be no forwarding tracks, no backtracking. If he backtracked, he was a hell of a good backtracking and stepped in the same exact spots, but and I've been tracking a lot of animals and I didn't see any sign of backtracking.

• 23:56Speaker 05

  But it just seemed like he just disappeared in the, in the bloodhounds we had looking for him. They just got to that spot in the circle and stopped like, where'd he go?

• 24:06Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I've heard of accounts like that and I've actually seen pictures to where I had no explanation where, when, or like you said, it looked like the, the tracks just stopped. And I know you've been a hunter most of your life. I wanted to ask you, you know, on the show, we talk about balls of light. Sometimes they make an appearance in people's encounters. Sometimes they, you know, has nothing to do with Bigfoot. They just see these weird balls of light. Out of all these years of being out there and hunting, have you ever seen anything like that in the forest?

• 24:41Speaker 05

  I've seen balls of light, but I've never seen them that I know of anyway, in conjunction with a Sasquatch. But I've heard people say that they have, that they've seen Sasquatches with balls of lights around them, or they disappear into a ball of light. I've also seen them, had people say that they seen them walk into oak trees and disappear.

• 25:03Wes Germer?

  Tell me about the time you saw the lights.

• 25:07Speaker 05

  Well, I was up in my dad's farm, was out one night coon hunting. And, uh, you know, we're just walking through the timber, trying to chase down the coon dogs, see if they've got anything. And these balls of light just kind of, just kind of drifted across in front of us. And me and the guy I was hunting with was like, did I really see what I think I saw? And he said, yeah, you saw what I thought I saw. And we started describing what we saw and it's like, yeah, a few minutes later it comes drifting right back by. And it's like, there was no wind that night that I can recall. And even if it was, it would have been going against the wind at one point. But it was a ball of light about, uh, maybe larger than a basketball, a little bit larger than a basketball.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  Uh, kind of a bluish white light. He said he thought he saw it flickering, but I didn't, didn't recall seeing it flicker. But, you know, according to the Native Americans, those balls of lights are willow whisks or something like that, that the, the forest spirits.

• 26:10Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it seems throughout history and through different civilizations, they all have kind of a theory or opinion on what they are. And the Native Americans, it depends on the tribe you talk to, they'll give you a different story on what it is. And it makes you wonder, I've heard spirits too. Some of the Native Americans will actually call them water spirits and it's weird, you know, it's one of those weird things out there that no one really has an answer for.

• 26:41Wes Germer?

  And I'll post this picture that Sibylla Irwin did of the creature that you saw underneath this episode. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I've enjoyed chatting with you.

• 26:54Speaker 05

  All right. I sure enjoyed it. And like I said, if you have any other questions, I've got pictures of the scene. If you wanted me to send them to you.

• 27:02Wes Germer?

  Yeah, please send them over. And thank you again, RK.

• 27:19Wes Germer?

  Next up on the show, I want to welcome Will. Will, thanks for being here.

• 27:24Speaker 06

  Thank you, Wes. I appreciate it.

• 27:25Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you had this very strange encounter involved more than just a creature. I know it takes place in Kansas and it's a relatively recent encounter. How many years are we going back?

• 27:39Speaker 06

  That'd be six years, well, almost six years. It was in September to, you know, November timeframe of that year. I don't remember exactly.

• 27:51Wes Germer?

  Well, if you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing? And what happened?

• 27:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I was, I was a route driver for a beverage distributor in Lawrence, Kansas at the time. I lived about four or five miles from the University of Kansas. And yeah, so at that point I was driving to work, which was exactly 3.3 miles. I had to look on the GPS the other day. It's over three miles from University of Kansas. And I was just driving into work. It's about 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. Sometimes I get nervous thinking about it because it's just.

• 28:32Speaker 06

  It was very surreal. So I was heading to work and I remember the road I was on was called North Eighteen Hundred Road in Kansas. There are roads that are like numbered, like North Thousand, Eighteen Hundred. They don't have names. And a lot of the roads will not have names when you're in the countryside. And I Tulsa, not Tulsa, Topeka, Kansas was to my west. And I was heading eastbound into Lawrence. And I remember that specifically because as I had turned on the road, there was some heat lightning in the sky and I saw some flashes in the sky and uh it was beautiful. Some some yellow, orange heat lighting um behind me. I could see it in my rearview.

• 29:16Speaker 06

  And I'm driving into work and I'm looking over and I see this this bright bright neon blue flash in the sky. And I knew it wasn't lightning. It wasn't heat lightning. And it was in the clouds. It was like if I could explain it in a way.

• 29:38Speaker 06

  The the the cloud was lightning. I don't know how to explain it. It looked like um almost as if the clouds were masking or is there there was a shielding device. So what I was seeing was UFO in the sky. And it looked like it was trying to like be like a a cloud. Like uh almost like the Predator movie where it's got the the film over it translucent. But I could see the outline of like a I won't say mothership. It was a big, big UFO um.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  If I would give us, I don't know how to scale it. It was just it was massive. And I I put two and two together that that flash was the UFO in the sky. And about twenty, thirty seconds after I see that flash.

• 30:27Speaker 06

  Um this this dog man runs. So I'm driving on a linear road. There's no curves, nothing, dead straightaway. And flat as can be, they just mowed down the uh the field was mowed down from the corn. And so so it ran out in front of me.

• 30:46Speaker 06

  I couldn't obviously believe my eyes. And in in one stride, this this dog man. From from running out of the fields in one step. And that was a sprinting step. It was one, one sprint. It's. Right foot was on the double yellow line. And it left. It was all like one motion. It was so unnatural. So it left from the. The field to the yellow line up into a tree on my right. And.

• 31:17Speaker 06

  The odd thing about Kansas is a lot of times the trees are far from the road. But this one was right near a little stream because there's a little lake. Uh, on the other side of the field. And uh, it jumped into this tree right, right over this uh. This creek. And it turned around in one motion. It jumped up. It spun around and looked at me and it was crouched. Uh, it, it was so crazy how it just jumped in this tree. This tree limb was probably 20 feet in there. And. It must, it must have been going 60, 65 miles per hour. It was so fast. It crossed the road so fast. Uh, I imagine it was going faster than my car. It was going about 55. It had to be going faster than my vehicle.

• 32:03Speaker 06

  Um, and it just looked at me. And it was, it was pretty terrifying.

• 32:09Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it sounds like it. And I want to come back to that thing you saw in the sky prior to seeing. This creature. Would you, for the audience, would you describe what you saw?

• 32:22Speaker 06

  My. The only way I can describe it is Google the Amarillo Zoo creature. Um, that picture came out after my sighting. Um. That it looks exactly like the Amarillo Zoo. If you type in the Amarillo Zoo animal. The, the, they're trying to figure out what it was outside the Amarillo Zoo in Texas. It looks exactly like that, like to the T. Um. Skinny, skinny. It was not super jacked and muscular. Um, I'd say maybe seven and a half, eight feet tall. I was driving a Chevy Suburban, nineteen ninety-eight Chevy Suburban. At the time, and I would imagine it had to be at least

• 33:05Speaker 06

  a foot and a half taller than my Suburban, maybe two feet taller than my Suburban. Um, and it had long arms, arms went down about knee length. And it had the, almost like goat, goat hinges at the feet, very unnatural. Um, and it bent backwards, almost like an L at the, at the ankles. Very, very fine scraggly fur, like hair. It wasn't like fur, it was like a hair. Kind of matted looking. It was gray. And it had like a grayish skin, a grayish black skin, almost like, like gray paint, like milky, milky kind of color to it.

• 33:49Speaker 06

  And, and mind you, this is in the flash of a second, but I had my high beams on. As there's, there's, there's, there's no lights out there. Other than the heat lightning and the flash of the UFO, and that was it. You know, it was pitch black out there. But I was able to see it all in my headlights and it, you know, it, it, it was not menacing in appearance. I, I mean, when it, you know, it hopped up and spun around and looked at me from the tree limb, um. Like, obviously I was, I was terrified, but it looked, it looked right at me. We locked eyes. And, yeah, I couldn't see an eye color or anything by that time. I'm just seeing it in the trees.

• 34:32Speaker 06

  And some, and it's still like barely in front of me. So a little bit of his face is illuminated. Um, but because I'm about passing it at that point. But I, I have, I couldn't see what eye color. There was no eye shine. Um, you know, my lights weren't directly in its face either, like, you know, head on. So I don't know if that changes anything. I'm not familiar with wildlife. So. But yeah, it just, it looked at me. It was looking right at me in face, you know, in my face.

• 35:03Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I know all this is happening, you know, within seconds. I'm sure it felt like years and everyone's kind of heard about Bigfoot, maybe not so much Dogman. Maybe nowadays they have. What did you think it was?

• 35:18Speaker 06

  So I had actually been interested in Sasquatch and Dogman. Well, initially Sasquatch. So I had watched, seen a documentary about, you know, the Patterson Gimlin film. I seen that as a child. And, you know, I had some other, other stuff happened in North Carolina that I had like, looking back, I was like, oh, that could have been like a Bigfoot, but to keep on the Dogman thing. Um, uh, you know, I was, I was familiar, but I wasn't not familiar with Dogman at that time until, um, you know, maybe shortly before this encounter, which is kind of ironic is I just, you know, kind of got more fascinated.

• 35:58Speaker 06

  I think I discovered your podcast around the time. Um, or shortly after, I don't remember, but I was, you know, as a truck driver, as a route driver, I'm constantly driving. So I'm, you know, looking for new podcasts all of the time. So a long story short, I had through the Great Vining through, you know, TV and other, you know, like shows like Terror in the Woods and other things. Um, uh, was quite familiar that they do exist.

• 36:27Wes Germer?

  I got you. So you kind of knew what it was. It's a lot different seeing it in person, though, I would imagine. I've never seen a Dogman, but I've heard enough encounters to where I'm convinced it's out there. Can we back up for a moment? That thing you saw in the sky, would you describe it?

• 36:46Speaker 06

  Yeah. So I knew immediately there was an object in the sky. It was round.

• 36:54Speaker 06

  It was almost like an oval cut on a diamond. It looks like if you chop off the top of a NFL stadium. Like the round, like a oval shaped NFL stadium. That's what it looked like. It's more oval. It was definitely not circular. It was oval shape. And I couldn't see like the depth of it. And so to speak, cause how, you know, how tall it might've been. I just saw it was quite long.

• 37:21Speaker 06

  You know, when it's that high in the sky, I don't have any field of reference. But it wasn't high enough. Like it wasn't, it wasn't a thousand feet in the air. It was, it was far less than that. Like it looked like it was sitting beneath the clouds and trying to mask itself with the clouds. Yeah, it was, it was. Maybe it's more than a thousand feet. I don't know how high, you know, how high clouds sit. I'm sorry. That sounds extremely ignorant, but. You know, if anyone's familiar with how high up, you know, where, where cloud level starts.

• 37:52Speaker 06

  I know clouds can, height can differ when there's storms in the area, but it was just heat, lightning. There wasn't, you know, any rain or anything. I don't know. It was, it was definitely larger than a football field. But I wouldn't say much larger. If you're gonna say like lengthwise, probably, probably as long as, as long as a football field.

• 38:14Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, it's interesting. It reminds me of what Les Stroud told me he saw when he was filming Survivor Man. Even your descriptions kind of like what he saw. And the size, he told me it was just huge. The, the flashes of light, were they coming out of the UFO?

• 38:34Speaker 06

  No, so there was lightning behind me, um, which was yellowish orange in color. But this lightning was directly in front of me. So there's heat lightning to my west. Of course, Topeka, because Topeka was due west of me, like immediately due west. And then I was heading directly eastbound and it was. Front and left of me. So I don't know if I'd be like north, northeast, northwest, whatever. Whatever it was, it was, it was, um. It was definitely not lightning because I, I could see the outline. Like it wasn't just lightning. I could see the, the UFO light up, but it was only that one bright. And it wasn't persistent flashing.

• 39:18Speaker 06

  Um, it was just that one bright flash that neon blue, totally different color than the heat lighting behind me.

• 39:25Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I would imagine something like that would be creepy to see, but then to see this creature. That's very strange. I wanted to ask you about the face of the creature. Would you describe the face? I mean, was a head more like a German shepherd or a wolf or something like that?

• 39:43Speaker 06

  It was very wolf like. It was sharp, sharp features and very sharp, sharp pointed ears. It had a very pronounced snout. And I kind of got this vibe from it that like if it were to attack me, there'd be nothing I could do at all. Um, but it definitely, um, it definitely looked like a wolf for sure. It was, it, um. You could, you could kind of maybe throw German shepherd in there. Um, with some of the, the hair around the cheeks and so like the puffier on the outside of the face.

• 40:22Speaker 06

  But, but when it came to the snout, it, the snout narrowed and it was a very, very pronounced, uh, snout. The head wasn't super large. And I, if I was going to give a, a size of the head, it would probably be a little larger than a German shepherds.

• 40:42Wes Germer?

  And when you saw this creature, was it on two legs the whole time? Kind of like a man running?

• 40:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, the whole time. The only time it was on, had it used its, if you can even call them hands. Um, was when it spun around and I can't remember which hand, but it put it between its legs to stabilize itself. Was it like hunched over and looked at me? As if like to keep it stabilized so it wouldn't fall off the, the branch.

• 41:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, the scary part is it didn't keep going. It kind of stopped to look at you. I think that's the part that well, all of it would have bothered me, but that part in particular. And do you remember having a tail? And I think you said it in the beginning and I might have missed it. How tall was it?

• 41:30Speaker 06

  I did not see a tail. I would say it was probably. Gosh, I wish I knew how tall my suburban was. I'm six, two, just under six, three, but I'll just say six, two. And it definitely would have had another foot and some change on me. So I'd probably say it was definitely, I would say absolute maximum eight feet. I mean, I don't think it was eight foot. It might've been seven, seven and a half feet tall. Then again, it was moving so fast, you know, but it was definitely very tall. There was another experience I had in Kansas. This is actually after my dog man.

• 42:12Speaker 06

  I don't know what it was, but it crossed a remote road. I was heading, heading down to do my. Heading towards like Americas, Kansas, which is like middle of nowhere, Kansas. And this was early in the morning. Something crossed the road and it reminded me almost of like a mountain lion or a cougar, some, some big, big cat. When it's, it wasn't a cat, but the way it moved, how it was like getting ready. It looked like a cat getting ready to pounce, pounce when they get super, super low to the ground. But it was army crawling. But it looked as if a person was army crawling on their tippy toes and the tips of their fingertips.

• 42:54Speaker 06

  It was so unnatural. I don't know what it was. I couldn't get it. I saw it in my truck headlights. My truck headlights were very dim. They didn't have LED headlights on the truck. Probably thank God, because if I'd saw what it actually was, it probably would have freaked out. Cause I was like, oh no, here we go again. Cause ever since my dog man encountered us, paranoid. Um, like I don't want to see anything ever again like that. Anyway, I didn't, and I was gonna go turn around and see what this was. And I'm a firm believer in, in Jesus. And I just believe the Holy Spirit was speaking to me is don't turn around. Don't, because I wanted to turn around and get a look at it. I wanted, which is very bold of me. Um, because normally I'm not like that. Like, I seem like something like that. I don't want, I want any part of this.

• 43:38Speaker 06

  But something in me was kind of intrigued after my dog man encounter. Um, I guess something subconscious was kind of wanting, wanting to know. And um, seeing the dog man so clear, but I couldn't see what this was. Um, hardly, I don't know if it was a Bigfoot or I, whatever it was. Anyway, I didn't turn around. Probably for the best.

• 44:01Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it doesn't sound like a dog. I mean, I don't know what it was, but. I don't know that I've ever heard of dogmen doing kind of that spider crawl. Movement or that army crawl movement. Sasquatch, on the other hand, there's been many reports of them doing that. And I know from your email and you mentioned it earlier that you had some things happen when you were younger and you kind of look back now. And it makes you wonder what, what were those things that, that happened? I, I realize it wasn't a sighting, but. What were those things that can make you look back now and go, hmm, I don't know?

• 44:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, so. I lived with my grandmother in, in the mountains, um, near Asheville, Henderson, that area. I'm gonna be specific is in Polk County, very, very tiny. I will live on top of a mountain. Maybe two neighbors. And there was this creek that ran through our backyard. I don't know if you can call it a creek, it's probably a stream, you know, two, three inches deep. When it rained, it got like six inches deep, you know, this, this little, little, little body water through our backyard. But every time I'd go to that, that body water. I knew I I should something in and I was a lot ten or eleven years old at the time, something in me told me do not cross that creek.

• 45:21Speaker 06

  And I wouldn't for the longest time, we lived there for like two or three years. One day I did. And it was like a magnet, like like every other time there was like a magnet keeping me from I'm uh going cross something in me would not let me cross. I it sounds silly, but I didn't second guess it. And then one day I did had this massive just knot in my stomach. I had this this terrible feeling of I need to turn back, I need to go back. And mind you, this is only like two or three hundred yards from from the house. I played basketball. And we had this terribly hilly spot, but it was all it was a flat spot and then uh about fifteen feet from the flat spot was a hill when I played basketball there.

• 46:07Speaker 06

  And I was about two, two or three hundred yards from there, from that basketball hoop I had out there. And I was like, I need to go back, I need to go back. And I didn't. And I took a couple more steps. And mind you, this is all going on in my head for about thirty, forty seconds. And then something in me was like, I just, I have to, so I have to turn around. I felt like something was gonna happen. I like I I knew I was in danger. But there was nothing going on. Um, it was always abnormally quiet up there. Which I knew, but like, like a lot of people say, thinking back to like, oh, that was weird, but in the moment, they thought nothing of it. So that was just like a feeling, but at that same house about.

• 46:51Speaker 06

  I don't know what the timeframe would be from from just those constant feelings to another point where I woke up in the middle of the night. This might have been a year later, I don't remember, but I woke up in the middle of the night. And I had the little, this little curtain blocking a window, I had this very tiny windows, very old home. Uh, and I woke up and I knew something was watching me, but like I couldn't see what was watching me, but I woke up. Uh, like immediately looked out the window, like something's watching me through my window, but I couldn't see cause that curtain was there. And I was gonna get out of bed and move the curtain. Like that's how intense the feeling was. I wanted to know who's watching me. Outside my window. I couldn't muster up the courage. I like.

• 47:34Speaker 06

  But just, you know, just started to swing my feet out of bed and like, I'm not doing this. And I swung my feet back into bed. And that was like, like ten, ten, eleven years old, maybe twelve at that point. But that feeling was just so strong of some, something's watching me and through my window and that. So that was weird.

• 47:54Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, it's very strange that you had that feeling. And you know, usually. Whenever in the past when I've had that gut feeling, and I'm not just talking about like with Bigfoot. But when you have that gut feeling like something's very wrong here. It's been right for me. I would say almost every time that there was something wrong. Strange. Makes you wonder what was going on there. I want to go back to your encounter for a moment. That UFO, I'm still thinking about that. Do you think it was a coincidence? Like there was two separate things going on there that you were experiencing? Or do you think the creature and the UFO were related?

• 48:37Speaker 06

  I hundred percent believe the dog man came out of that UFO. A hundred, I, there, there was no doubt in my mind and that is kind of like an, uh, a knowing. And uh, if I remove all logic, if it just, there's this like this, this knowing. Um, but I, I also, if I'm, if I'm, you know, gonna use logic, I don't, I don't. It was just too coincidental, you know, I see this big UFO flash a massive bolt. Not a bolt of light, but just illuminate this, you know, itself in the clouds. And then all of a sudden this thing is crossing the road less than forty five seconds later. You know, it seems a little too coincidental for me.

• 49:19Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I know there's no way to prove that. It's not like you saw it come out of the craft. But if I was in your shoes, I honestly, I probably would have felt the same way. I'd have felt like these two things are, these two things are related. It's strange, man. I've heard of accounts in the past of creatures coming out of these UFOs. And I've always just kind of brushed it off, but I don't know, we live in a weird world, man. It seems like every day this world is getting worse and it's getting weirder. You know, normally I ask everyone, what do they think Bigfoot is? But you know, in your case, I mean, you saw this creature was pretty close. I mean, it was a relatively close encounter. It's right there in front of you. What do you think that they are?

• 50:04Speaker 06

  I, so I personally think they're demonic, but physical. And, and my rationalization for that is I believe they're an abomination of some sort where some, some fallen angel or, or something, some kind of entity is having its way with animals. You know, in the woods and they're creating these abominations. Um, that's how I can only justify, you know, like you, you know, people hearing about Bigfoot appearing and disappearing and vanishing or turning into a ball of light.

• 50:44Speaker 06

  Um, you know, that's the only way I can justify this dog man having that supernatural speed where, and it didn't even look like it was trying. If it was running, if it was going full bore, I don't see why that dog man couldn't run 100 miles per hour. It looked effortless and graceful. Long story short, it's not natural, but it is physical. It's a very, very real. I just, I chalk it up to a satanic or demonic abomination from the, from the pits of hell that is unfortunately, um, have been allowed to be loose on earth. Um, on occasion.

• 51:26Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I kind of agree with you. I mean, I really don't know what to make of the Dogman. You'd be hard pressed to really convince a skeptic or a scientist that this Dogman creature is out there running around. Biologically, it makes no sense. But you know, I've been kind of going through the Epstein files, which I don't recommend. It's hard on the soul. But I mean, he was in there, this way off topic, but he was in there talking about cloning himself. Like you and I talking about going to the store to pick up milk. So who knows what's going on in this world, man? At the time of the encounter, did you get the feeling like this thing might be evil?

• 52:09Speaker 06

  I, I, you know, I hate to copy, it's not copycatting because there's so many other encounters.

• 52:19Speaker 06

  You know, who have said there's, if there's nothing they could do, if it wanted to have its way with him and kill him. But that thought immediately popped in my mind. It was not super bulky. It did not look huge. You know, it didn't look like it was some steroided out wolf on two legs.

• 52:39Speaker 06

  But I just knew if it wanted to jump down and tear my car up and, and rip me out of it, I couldn't have done a thing. I'm a big dude. I'm six two, almost two six, 260. I power lift. The biggest I've gotten is 275. And I'm a large, very large man. And there's not a whole, there's nobody that scares me. And I don't want to sound arrogant when I say that. I'm just like, most people stay away from me. And I know in that moment, there was enough, not a thing in the world I could have done. I didn't get a sense of evil. I didn't get a sense of, I mean, I guess you can say it's inherently evil if you get that feeling of there's nothing you could do for one to kill you.

• 53:22Speaker 06

  But it wasn't menacing. Like I said, it was just looking down at me, keeping an eye on me. Which is just almost like it wanted to know, me to know that it saw me, but it didn't.

• 53:37Speaker 06

  It didn't go out of its way to harm me. It didn't, it didn't look like it had malicious intent. But if it, if it suddenly turned on a dime and had those emotions, it could have killed me. Absolutely.

• 53:49Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And I guess you kind of said that earlier. So I apologize for the, the question. Running into one of these things would absolutely terrify me. And it's such a weird mystery. I tend to think that they're demonic as well, but it's hard to prove that. It's hard to prove any of this, but people see it and see it more often than most people realize. And I really wanted to hear this account. So I really appreciate you coming on, Will, and sharing what happened to you, man. I enjoyed chatting with you.

• 54:24Speaker 06

  Thank you for having me. Um, this, this show has helped a lot. It helps me feel vindicated. I had a girlfriend call me crazy. I called her immediately after I saw the dog man. She's like, she's like, you're crazy. You're running out of sleep. And, um, I felt further vindicated when the Amarillo Zoo picture came out because then I had, I finally had something to show somebody, say, this is it. This is what I saw. So thank you for having me and thank you for your platform. That is just a blessing. Um, yeah, thank Jesus for you and the good work you're doing, allowing people to just talk about what they went through.

• 55:05Wes Germer?

  Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate it. And thank you again for coming on. I need to look up that Amarillo Zoo picture he's talking about. I don't like, I've ever heard of that. Anyway, that's it for tonight, everyone. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

• 55:57Speaker 07

  And red clothes

• 56:05Speaker 07

  Treading on broken glass, feeling the weight of dark, looking for a white star

• 56:18Speaker 07

  I'm fine

• 56:26Speaker 07

  I'm a liar

• 56:33Speaker 07

  In a peculiar state of mind, traveling back in time, I wanna be a white star

• 56:48Speaker 07

  I don't care if I die, moving backwards, head and heart

• 57:03Speaker 07

  I don't care if I die, moving backwards, head and heart

• 57:16Speaker 07

  I'm all

• 57:24Speaker 07

  I'm lightning

• 57:32Speaker 07

  Stood at the speed of sound, ready to leave the ground, looking like a white star

• 57:46Speaker 07

  I don't care if I die, moving backwards, head and heart

• 58:01Speaker 07

  I don't care if I die moving backwards head and heart

• 59:01Speaker 07

  I got you guys, I got you guys, everything upside down.

• 59:07Speaker 07

  Okay, let's, let's grip it, let's get it slowly, okay?

• 59:16Speaker 07

  I think you see how it looks like that. You know, that's the earth, that's the place.

• 59:25Speaker 07

  I'm glad you're cautious, I'm glad you're not, I'm glad you're not miserable.

• 59:43Speaker 07

  I don't care if I die moving backwards head and heart

• 59:57Speaker 07

  I don't care if I die moving backwards head and heart