Pod Insights Rotten Mango Part 2: "Smartest" Husband Pretends To Be Ex & Stalks Wife For Months Before Stabbing Her To Death About this episode In the event of a break in, usually something of value is stolen from a house. But what if someone breaks into your home and steals a single, random item. Your hairbrush. Your pet’s ashes. Your family picture but leaves the frame. Your one spare house key?
Daniel Krug, patriarch, calls the police after his wife, Kristil comes home and realizes that the spare key they keep hidden in their garage is missing. They could’ve just misplaced it right?
With three young children at home though, the family doesn’t want to take any chances. Especially after Daniel, the father, remembers pulling into his driveway, before the key went missing, and saw someone jump their fence and take off running.
If someone had broken into their garage, stole their spare key, and nothing else that can really only mean one thing right? They’re planning on coming back.
Daniel reports it to the police and even gives his statement to the responding officer who visits his house. For nearly three months the family will grow increasingly paranoid after feeling like the burglar never left the house in the first place. That he came back and started doing stranger and stranger things around the house.
Until exactly 82 days after the initial report, one of the Krug family members will be found inside the family home.
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0:59 Speaker 00 This is part two of the Krug family case. If you haven't listened to the audio part one, please go listen to that. We went through the entire details of the case of how Kristielle Krug was found deceased, murdered in her garage, how she had been stalked, how the Krug family had a break-in into their house 82 days before her murder, where the only thing stolen was the spare key into their house. We went through the messages that Kristielle Krug was receiving from her old ex-high school boyfriend that was from like 20 years ago. And we also went through how her daughter found out that something was going on in the house through the camera app that she had when she was sitting in class. She had received all of these alerts. And ultimately, the conclusion to part one
1:43 Speaker 00 was that the police are now looking at Anthony, the ex-high school boyfriend, who claimed to be the one sending these messages. In the first text message, it says, "It's Anthony." But also how the police are now very suspicious of Kristielle Krug's husband, Daniel, who claims that he is being framed, he's being set up. This is part two. A lot of people will tell you that the smartest murder is the one that you have never heard of yet. Because that's the whole point. It goes undetected. But a lot of people have been calling this case the smartest, most calculated murder in recent history. The months of planning, creating fake identities, using fake phone numbers, IP addresses, buying multiple gift cards. And it all falls apart with the acting.
2:27 Speaker 00 It's like a B-grade movie. It's like the type of dialogue that you really only read in a book. Daniel Krug thinks that the police are on to him. He thinks that they're just trying to look at him as the suspect. I mean, yeah, they're still trying to find Anthony, the ex-boyfriend. But they've also just spent hours interviewing Daniel after Chris Teal's body was found. Hours. All the other family members were let out early. Why is Daniel the only one staying behind? They're asking him in-depth questions that can only point to them being suspicious of him. And when they finally let him go at the end of the night, Daniel's about to leave the police station and he turns to the officers and he says, "I want you to find who did this. Because I know it wasn't me. I know you don't believe me. Fine. Just don't stop looking elsewhere.
3:13 Speaker 00 Putting all the focus on me, okay? Find the fucker who did this."
3:18 Speaker 01 Just whispering?
3:19 Speaker 00 "Are you married? Do you have kids?" "I'm divorced." "Right. I don't care if you capture him. I just want the fucker to pay. He took my children's mother before Christmas." And with that, he walks out of the police station. It's like straight out of a James Patterson novel. Nobody talks like that in person. Nobody whispers like that in person. It's very odd. I also think that we, as people, recently have given too much grace to the phrase "everyone responds to grief differently." It's true. I think it's very true. But some things, if they are sending your radars off, if your gut is saying, "Okay, this is so bizarre." It's not even just like, "Oh, I probably wouldn't behave like that if I were grieving."
4:04 Speaker 00 But like, wow, I'm so shocked and thrown off by this. I don't think that we should all just chalk it up to, "Well, everyone responds to grief differently." The police have a theory now. The way that Daniel has been talking, the things that family members have told them. They believe that Kristiell wanted to divorce Daniel. And Daniel decides he's going to pretend to be a stalker to drive his wife straight back into his arms. This will be the catalyst that brings them closer together. This is what they need to reconnect.
4:34 Speaker 01 Wait, these are theories from the families?
4:36 Speaker 00 The police, gathering from all the interviews that they had with family members. December 5th, 2023, Kristiell gets an email. Hey gorgeous, I can't visit you anymore. No more Colorado time. My girlfriend doesn't want us talking without her. She says, you're gonna let cops get after me after you off him. But she doesn't know you like I do. We got a new place with lots of room on the East Coast. She said you can move in with us. We like three ways. Trash your husband and come. You know how to get me when he's dead. I mean, it's kind of a nonsensical email, but ultimately, it kind of seems like the stalker is gonna lay off. He's saying like, I'm moving to the East Coast. I don't have time to go to Colorado. I mean, this is what Kristiell thought. But nine days later, Kristiell is dead. And that's what the police can't wrap their heads around.
5:21 Speaker 00 If Daniel is the stalker, let's say hypothetically he is. Why would he send this message saying, hey, I'm not gonna come to Colorado anymore? And then, why would he kill her at the end? Doesn't make sense.
5:37 Speaker 01 Daniel?
5:38 Speaker 00 Yeah. They're saying like, cuz they thought maybe Daniel's sending these messages to get his wife closer to him. So if Daniel's the stalker, why would he say like, hey, I'm the stalker, I'm gonna lay off? Cuz that would indicate the relationship is going well then. Maybe Daniel's like, oh, she's already so close to me now. I don't need to keep stalking her. We've like fixed our problems.
5:57 Speaker 01 Hmm, okay.
6:00 Speaker 00 In the FOIA request, we got a ton of videos where Daniel is sitting in front of a white cinder block wall. And he's got a phone up to his ear and he's staring at the screen with his parents on there.
6:11 Speaker 01 Have you ever gotten like jailhouse calls with the families?
6:16 Speaker 00 Calls, like sometimes audios. You'll get random audios, but really, they don't like to give these out.
6:21 Speaker 01 How many hours of that did you give?
6:24 Speaker 00 I think overall. We had hundreds of videos. Because there were a lot of officers at the scene of the crime and we every single thing was body cammed. I mean, there's a lot of body cam video that ultimately we would sit through and then it would be like a one minute conversation at the end. Between an officer and a neighbor and the officer is just like, drive around. This is taped off, drive around. But then we, I think it was like a hundred jail call videos.
6:51 Speaker 01 Dang, okay.
6:53 Speaker 00 It was a lot. And a lot of them is like just yapping, a lot of them is weird. And Daniel is sitting in jail, waiting for. He's about to go on trial for murdering his wife and he's telling his family, I didn't do this. The stalker is still out there and they put the wrong guy in jail because they think it's like the movies and it's always the husband. And it's not me and my kids are not safe. He's ranting, he's worried about his kids, he's adamant that someone else killed Chris Steele. And just like how her stalker wanted to set her up for his potential murder. He believes that the stalker set him up for her murder. And nobody's listening to him. So now Chris Steele is gone, he's sitting in jail for something he says he didn't do, but nobody's listening and his three kids are out there.
7:38 Speaker 00 And he's pleading with his elderly parents, I need them safe. I don't know where or who did this, where he is or who he is. I need my children out of Colorado.
7:55 Speaker 00 He's also concerned about Stockholm syndrome. The kids are staying with family members on Chris Steele's side of the family and he says, I don't know. What my eldest daughter has been told, I don't know what she believes. I don't know if my children even want me anywhere, but I need them to be safe.
8:12 Speaker 01 Did, did, did he say Stockholm syndrome or?
8:15 Speaker 00 Yeah.
8:16 Speaker 01 Like, what, what, what, in what context?
8:18 Speaker 00 Like they're gonna get Stockholm syndrome with Chris Steele's side of the family and just believe whatever they're saying. And Chris Steele's side of the family thinks that he's the stalker and he's like, no one believes me that I'm being set up. He's like, I'm probably sleeping like sixteen hours a day because of the depression. I sleep, I read, I cry, and that's about it. And there's obviously frustration too, he says, I just don't understand how you can put in a claim for wrongful arrest, wrongful imprisonment, if you have to wait for everything to be settled. So he's like, I can't even file a claim for wrongful arrest until after the trial. And he's like, they never produced a single piece of hard evidence. We are in a digital and monitored age. They never produced a single photograph of me with phones. They never produced a single photograph of me buying anything.
9:02 Speaker 00 They never produced a single piece of hard evidence, just identity theft, that's it. And we're in a world today, that's enough. DNA exoneration doesn't mean shit because someone can do things with a cellphone. Not a single photograph, not a single drop of blood, not a single scrap of DNA, not a single recording. Identity theft, that's all it takes to destroy somebody.
9:21 Speaker 01 So he's claiming someone stole his identity to do this.
9:26 Speaker 00 Daniel's parents are completely supporting him and they agree with him, but they're also concerned about him sitting in jail. He says about the food that he eats, he eats a lot of ramen because quote, if you ever find yourself watching TV and you see a cat food commercial. We look at those commercials here with a sense of longing. The collective decision here is that food commercials should be banned in jails and prisons. Because even horrible food, you know, I would never eat Taco Bell, ever, it's disgusting. And yet I see ads for it and I'm like, that looks really good.
9:55 Speaker 00 It's clear the pressure is getting to Daniel though. On the phone with his parents, Daniel gets emotionally charged because he's in jail and he doesn't know where his collection of valuable coins and medals are. Apparently, Daniel's mom spoke with Chriselle's family about it and they didn't know it either, where it went, and Daniel explodes. So that tells me that they are going through the house and they're not supposed to. They were supposed to give a written list, no, no, no. You call, you text, whatever. They are not to have unrestricted access to whatever the fuck they want.
10:31 Speaker 00 He's talking like that. And his mom is like, oh, Dan, Danny, Danny, honey, I'm sorry. I didn't say they took it. No, no, no. But what they, what that tells me is that they're sifting through everything. And whatever looking, they're looking for whatever is of value because fuck you, Dan. Because they don't want me in their life and it's not fair. It's not fair. They must provide a list. I provided a list. Where is their counter? It's not whatever the fuck they want. They don't get to treat me like this. That's all I do. That's all I do. I'm the one who has to accommodate everything. They want to sell the house?
11:14 Speaker 00 Fine. I have to sell the house. They don't want to let me speak to the kids? Fine. I'm not allowed to speak to my kids.
11:23 Speaker 00 Daniel's mom starts crying. I'm so sorry. I didn't want to upset you. It's not your fault. I just want to take you in my arms and hug you. And mom is like, I wish I could make it all go away, Danny.
11:39 Speaker 01 Wait, this is, this is so weird.
11:42 Speaker 00 Yeah.
11:42 Speaker 01 Is this giving like a, like a movie? Does he talk like a toddler or what, what's?
11:48 Speaker 00 He talks so weird. There's only like one person I can think of that talks like that. Um, in a time, you know, kind of like, huh? It doesn't even make sense why you're being so theatrical. Like grief is one thing. Theatrical is kind of weird right now. Like it's just-
12:11 Speaker 01 He's like angry, but in a very theatrical way.
12:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's, yeah, it's like, no, no, no, no.
12:21 Speaker 01 Interesting.
12:22 Speaker 00 And he takes a lot of pauses at really weird moments. Yeah, it's kind of odd. I mean, I talk pretty dramatic and I think that I might be even more dramatic when my emotions are high. But it the way he does it is not like a sense of dramatic franticness of like, I'm freaking out, so I'm gonna freak out. It's like very like pauses and almost like there's an audience.
12:46 Speaker 01 Maybe, maybe like he's try to hold it back.
12:50 Speaker 00 But it doesn't feel like that either.
12:52 Speaker 01 Screaming there. Maybe he can't throw a tantrum in there, so he he's like holding it down to to.
12:58 Speaker 00 But that's alarming too.
13:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay.
13:01 Speaker 00 Yeah. How are the kids? Daniel's asking. They were fine, they were fine, they look good, they're keeping busy. But he just keeps getting angry at the thought because he comes back to it again where he thinks Crystal's family members are taking things of value from the house and he says, I want a complete list of absolutely everything. Because if I find out they're parsing out things amongst different family members, I'm gonna be pissed, okay? I'm at the point, I want people arrested for stealing things from my wife's estate. And when I get out, they have to give everything back. His mom assures him that she took the jewelry box in his closet with his cuff links. And Daniel asks his mom, did you find grandma's ring? No. Then they fucking stole it.
13:46 Speaker 00 Look, all right, Danny, please. It was with my cuff links. Someone stole it. And then I have to find out what pawn shop they're getting rid of all my shit at.
14:00 Speaker 01 That's so weird. What's going on? He he he, I feel like you have a lot more things to worry about right now.
14:06 Speaker 00 Listen, uh, okay, so like.
14:07 Speaker 01 Like, does he believe he's coming getting out tomorrow?
14:10 Speaker 00 Yeah, and okay, all of these, like when you FOIA request it, they just put like jail called. Uh, no, it wasn't even like jail called, it was like public release, da da da, and there's like a bunch of numbers. Cause that's how they, you know, log it in their format. And so every time I'd click one, I have no idea what I'm getting into. Sometimes it'd be like his mom being like, oh, yeah, so the weather today and we drove and like we made a snowman. And then the next one, he's like, they fucking stole it. And I'm like, I don't. Every single one was so vastly different from the next one. Like you could have no idea what was gonna happen in the next jail call.
14:41 Speaker 01 Hmm.
14:43 Speaker 00 Yeah. And then sometimes he's so composed and he's like, don't worry, guys, we have to be strong. And he's making jokes about Taco Bell.
14:52 Speaker 01 Hmm, I see. Okay, alright.
14:55 Speaker 00 His mom keeps reassuring him, they're not taking your stuff, they're not taking your stuff. I wouldn't be too surprised if the police are listening to this call, if they stole my fucking ring. Just like they stole my credit card information.
15:10 Speaker 01 The police?
15:11 Speaker 00 That's what he claims.
15:12 Speaker 01 Okay.
15:13 Speaker 00 As the murder trial is nearing, it's Daniel's brother who decides to tell him the truth. Daniel's brother is in a lot of these calls and he tells him, support is dwindling. Okay?
15:26 Speaker 01 From the families?
15:28 Speaker 00 Yeah, mom and dad wanna believe you very much. I wanna believe you very much, right? There's just a lot that's come out and as imaginative as I can be with finding explanations and ways to theorize how this or that could have been the reality, some of it is beyond even my creativity. Daniel doesn't really respond. And again, later, on a private call just between Daniel and his brother and now us and everyone else with a pension for a FOIA requesting cases, Daniel's brother tells him, I wanna believe in you. And at the same time, I will be totally honest. I, from the beginning, have not really ever cared one way or another.
16:08 Speaker 00 I do not want to see where you are. I do not want to see where you're going, regardless of the situation and how it arrived. I don't want you there and don't really care about guilt or culpability or anything like that. So he's basically saying like, you're my brother through and through, and that's how I've been since day one. However, the situation got to where it's got to and my concern now is your support is dwindling, dwindling fast. The forensic stuff, the digital data is really tough for everyone to wrap their heads around. Like I said, even I have to go through some fancy gymnastics to counter everything, so it needs some story around where phones came from, where gift cards came from, whatever that may be. You don't have to tell me anything here. I, I realize that you can't say things on this line, so that's going to be
16:49 Speaker 00 how that is, but I figured I would tell you that I'm not sure if you're going to get to talk to mom and dad again before they move you down into the purgatory spot. And then you're gonna be there for a month and my main concern right now? His mom and dad are on the brink of financial ruin and bankruptcy. They took out probably about a hundred twenty to a hundred fifty thousand dollars to pay legal fees and none of that has been repaid to them. Daniel's brother keeps telling him and Daniel keeps, the brother is like, you keep complaining and being emotional about things with the parents and the parents don't have resources. And they become emotional because you're emotional. So they take out loans and they're about to get bankrupt and they're about to lose their car and lose everything. And he's like, things like taking the kids out of Colorado because they're not safe.
17:32 Speaker 00 That's gonna be a hundred thousand dollars in legal fees that we don't have the money for and it's not gonna work. So just drop it.
17:39 Speaker 01 Oh, I see.
17:41 Speaker 00 He's like, don't even talk to mom and dad about it because they're gonna wanna pull out a loan. They're gonna wanna try and help you, but I'm telling you, it's never gonna happen, no matter how much money you throw at it.
17:54 Speaker 01 Huh, okay.
17:56 Speaker 00 There's also another moment in this very jail call, which I didn't wanna interpret. But the brother, he says like, ah, see, and I don't know if I'm dense and I'm dumb or something. But he says something along the lines of like, at some point, we're gonna have to have a conversation. Will you just tell me yes or no? And it was like so out of nowhere and I'm like, are you gonna ask him like a series of yes or no questions, right? Like, I don't know what that means. And then Daniel cuts in and he goes, yes.
18:25 Speaker 00 And then they hang up because the seventeen minutes are over. Every call is like seventeen minutes and fifteen seconds.
18:31 Speaker 01 Wait, what, what, what, what do you think?
18:33 Speaker 00 I think.
18:34 Speaker 01 He's asking if you did it?
18:35 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:36 Speaker 01 So that yes, sounds like he's telling him yes, or he sounds like, okay, yes, I, I agree to that, that. Yes, we can do that phone call later.
18:44 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:45 Speaker 01 So it's like, can be interpreted in both ways.
18:47 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
18:48 Speaker 01 I see. I mean, I mean, from, from, from what it sounds like. I mean, the brother is like, you know, look.
18:56 Speaker 00 Yeah, I think you did it.
18:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, and. But he's still sort of supporting him, or he's just kind of?
19:04 Speaker 00 Um, from the energy that I get from the brother is he's supporting his brother, but I think it's more so out of support for his parents. I don't think that makes it any better.
19:16 Speaker 01 And what's the parents? You think the parents is in denial?
19:20 Speaker 00 Yeah, the mom is totally in denial.
19:23 Speaker 01 Like my son could never?
19:25 Speaker 00 Yeah.
19:26 Speaker 01 Wow.
19:26 Speaker 00 Yeah, but I also think that um, uh, there are times in the phone calls where I'm like, oof, ooh, like, these are just like, I can see why he has these anger issues. Cause the way she's like, oh, I didn't mean to upset you. It's like, who cares about upsetting him? His whole life is about to go down like the shitter. Are you like, we can talk as adults. Yeah.
19:51 Speaker 01 That makes sense.
19:52 Speaker 00 Yeah, I mean, you're too old. You gotta get your emotions in check. Like, we can't all tiptoe and be worried about upsetting a grown man who's in jail about to go on trial for murdering his wife.
20:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
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22:43 Speaker 00 There's just a lot of red flags in Daniel's story. But even just the way he talks about Chris Teal and the stalker, it's like straight out of a movie. Before his arrest, when he's being interviewed by officers. And these are all the things that are setting off the officers. They reference the stalker as the stalker. They're like, okay, so when did the stalking start? When did the stalker come into play? But Daniel, in the midst of his wife's murder investigation, he keeps correcting the officers. Oh, um, we call him Kick Man. And he's always whispering. You call him what? The stalker. We call him Kick Man. Okay, why do you guys call him Kick Man?
23:22 Speaker 00 Because Chris Steele is gonna kick his ass. Yeah.
23:27 Speaker 01 What?
23:28 Speaker 00 It's a lot. The police just wanna know what happened. They're gathering intel and some of it is just not adding up and his behavior is really weird. I would imagine any spouse in their right mind in the interrogation room or the interview room would be like, "Okay, let me break it down. This is the day that it started. This is what we have gathered. If you let me go into the house where I can tell you, we have logs of the stalking, like, we just need to find this killer." Instead of like, "We call him Kick Man."
23:55 Speaker 00 But the most interesting thing is, Daniel says that he first found out about the stalking in November. And this is when the police were like, "Wait, what? Hold on." Because Detective Martinez knows that the stalking started October 2nd.
24:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:11 Speaker 00 Why would you not know for an entire month? The officer asks, "W-why do you think the month gap before she told you?" "I'm sure that she mentioned to you that she and I were going through a rough patch, kind of on the rocks, so probably didn't seem pressing until..." So he's explaining that Chris Steele didn't tell him about the stalking until a picture of him was sent to her. So now she's like, "Okay, well, your life is kind of on the line and like, maybe your safety's at risk, so let me explain what's been going on for the past month." There were mentions, obviously, that Daniel and Chris Steele were not in the best part of their relationship, which a lot of parents raising three kids would say they've probably seen better days. But to not know that your wife is being stalked for an entire month, you have to be probably on not even speaking terms in order for this to happen.
24:57 Speaker 00 Even if she didn't think it was that serious for a month, she would have brought it up as like a, "Oh my god, something so weird happened today." How bad exactly was their relationship?
25:05 Speaker 01 Right.
25:06 Speaker 00 Chris Steele's parents are brought in hours after her murder to give formal interviews. They were all really close. Chris Steele and her dad would fix classic cars together, so they had this hobby that, even as they grew up, she was always just in his garage. They have this like retro diner set up in one corner of his garage. And it just looks like a dream auto shop. She would sit down while they would take a break and, he explains that she did mention that she was being stalked by the ex-boyfriend from high school. And both Chris Steele's parents, they remember Anthony back from when they were dating. And they say, "He was always very friendly, very courteous, always had good manners."
25:47 Speaker 00 It just, I mean, yeah, like it was in high school. Okay, people who knew them say their breakup was very high school. It wasn't even petty. They both worked at JCPenney. The whole breakup was because Kristielle was very much into academia. Like she had a strong vision for her outlook in life. Like she wanted to pursue engineering in college. She wanted to go that route. Meanwhile, Anthony didn't really know if he even wanted to go to college. He was still figuring things out. So the way that Anthony even spoke about Kristielle after they broke up, people said that Anthony spoke about her like she was his great first love. Naturally, he did reach out a few times over Facebook, asking how she is. Nothing weird. But maybe he's upset that she never made any sort of advancement towards him, never wanted to see him, or maybe something
26:32 Speaker 00 big happened in his life and now he's turning on Kristielle. But how can somebody go from being this kind-hearted, genuine person to a stalker? Or like, maybe Kristielle's parents didn't really know him. Kristielle's mom is a bit more open with the detectives. She's distraught, she's holding it together, and she's telling the investigators everything they need. Kristielle's life was hell. She hadn't slept in months. The last year, her husband and her were not in good terms. He was in complete denial, Daniel. She would tell me how he was. Did she ever give you insight on what kind of led to her feeling like the marriage was over? Daniel is explosive. I've never seen him hurt her, but he would hurt the kids. Some people think corporal punishment is okay, but he would hurt the kids.
27:15 Speaker 01 Like what, physical?
27:17 Speaker 00 Probably, yeah. She was worried about that. But she told me he was in denial, that she told him that this marriage was over, but she would stay until redacted, graduated. I just, this, just in my gut, I can't shake this feeling. And what is that feeling telling you? I just can't shake this feeling or question.
27:38 Speaker 00 Is he the one that's been doing this with Anthony?
27:40 Speaker 01 Wait, this is like the first interview?
27:43 Speaker 00 Yeah.
27:44 Speaker 01 The mom who witnessed her daughter's death. She was comforting him at the scene. And now she's saying that maybe they're working together.
27:53 Speaker 00 Yeah. And it's just like a bunch of small things. It's not like a big, aha, we caught you. Just like we're even at a recent family birthday party, Daniel is out by the window the whole time in case the stalkers surveilling them in the neighborhood. But every, something about it just feels performative.
28:10 Speaker 01 Hmm.
28:11 Speaker 00 It doesn't feel really anxious. It doesn't feel like, okay, I'm so stressed. It just feels like, look at me being a protector.
28:19 Speaker 01 That's what the mom said?
28:20 Speaker 00 Basically. Kristiels brother, he knows that the two of them, Kristiels and Daniel, had been separated, but still living together mainly for the kids. He has a different take. He tells the authorities, Kristiels was fully convinced it was Anthony. My mom has always been suspicious. I just don't know where that comes from. Can you elaborate? Like suspicious how? My mom? Yeah. I don't know. I guess the whole difficulty finding Anthony, like, why is it so hard to find Anthony? Why can't either cell phone records or IP stuff show, you know, so my mom had that frustration and I think her mind starts to wander towards conspiracy type things, right? Of like, oh, maybe it's the husband or maybe it's Dan and I don't know. I don't see it there just because. I don't know. Dan just seems so incapable of doing something like that. Why do you say that?
29:06 Speaker 00 I just don't know. I talked to him and I just talked to him for about two hours and he was very concerned about getting his family together and. You know, talking about being hyper vigilant but not paranoid. Other members of Kristiels family were interviewed and one of them says something very interesting. He says that he never liked Dan from the first moment that he met Dan.
29:27 Speaker 01 Who is this?
29:28 Speaker 00 It's like, I believe it's an uncle. And the officers are like, why? And he's like, there are two words I would describe. Slick politician. I don't trust a single thing he says.
29:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:44 Speaker 00 Kristiell's sister-in-law Kate is asked by the officers if there was something about the stalker, anything that she thought was notable and she says, I just always felt like there was something weird about it. But I can't put my finger on it. I just feel like she had said that it was this like Anthony guy, but it seemed very different from past behavior in him. She said that he was never sexual in the past and now he's saying all these hypersexual things. I think even at one point she was questioning whether it was actually him. Daniel himself has told officers during his interview, I had a partner to protect. But it didn't feel like a partner who valued me and I told her at that point, I didn't want to die for someone who didn't care about me anymore. I was hurting when I said that.
30:27 Speaker 00 He said that he just wanted Kristiell to say, I do care about you. But she didn't and he was really hurt. Officers are finally able to locate the high school ex-boyfriend Anthony and he's eight hours away in a different state at home on his couch drunk. The officers tell him, I'm gonna ask you a couple of names and see if you recognize them, okay? Have you heard of a Crystal Krug? Yeah? Do you know a Daniel Krug? No? How do you know Kristiell? She was an ex-girlfriend? Ex-girlfriend? How long is the ex? How long ago? Nineteen ninety-nine? Oh, so like a long while ago. She's my very first girlfriend ever. And when was the last time you talked to her?
31:10 Speaker 01 Is this recorded too?
31:11 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:12 Speaker 01 What?
31:13 Speaker 00 Has it been a while? A minute? Uh, it's been a minute. It's pretty clear that Anthony is at least appearing drunk and confused. He probably is drunk and confused, but what cannot be faked or confused is the fact that Anthony has an airtight alibi. That morning he had gone to Kohl's and bought a sweatshirt. And he's seen buying the sweatshirt and he has a receipt for it. And he's wearing that sweatshirt right now. And there's no way that he could have driven to kill Kristiell, then driven back in time to buy the sweatshirt. There's also no way that he was on any sort of flight or Amtrak train, nothing. Which means unless he knows how to teleport, Anthony could not have killed Kristiell Krug, just as police suspected. Which leads to Daniel being in the back of a police car,
31:56 Speaker 00 handcuffed and an officer asking him, quote, "Hey, Dan, do you want me to tell your kids that you killed their mother? Or you want somebody else to?" "I want to talk to an attorney." "Okay then. All right. Good luck." And the cop slams the door shut.
32:12 Speaker 01 That's really crazy to say. I mean, I guess they're arresting him for murder, right?
32:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, um, I think, okay, I don't particularly think that the cops were doing like a spectacular job. I think that they were doing their job with the taxpayers pay money for. But I will say they seem very fed up with Daniel. I think it's all of his acting and all of his like, I was supposed to protect her.
32:34 Speaker 01 Hmm, I see, I see.
32:36 Speaker 00 Yeah. The hours leading up to Daniel's arrest are also very interesting. There's a few key moments that investigators are very suspicious about, aside from the physical and forensic evidence that they get later on. But the first one is, when Daniel is first called into the police station, he's in the interrogation room and Detective Martinez comes in, because Detective Martinez is the one that has been helping Cristielle with the stalker, AKA Daniel. And Daniel is like hunched over on this blue couch and he's like, we were supposed to protect her. You promised. We'd protect her. And Detective Martinez said that he was looking at Daniel, and he realized he's sobbing, he's whispering, he's doing all these things, and not a single fucking tear.
33:18 Speaker 00 So he starts questioning Daniel, not even going after him, but just asking him normal questions one would expect. And Daniel constantly keeps his pitch out of whisper. It's always like, everything hurts. I don't feel anything. I have um, two different voices going through my head right now. I have my brother Matthew, and I've mentioned him, he's a sheriff's lieutenant. And I have a voice saying, talk to the police. And as a typical cop, that should, you know, he married a prosecutor. So I have Lynn's voice in my head going, get a fucking lawyer.
33:59 Speaker 01 That is crazy. That, his brother is a cop?
34:03 Speaker 00 Not the one that he's on the phone with, I believe. That's a different brother.
34:05 Speaker 01 Oh.
34:06 Speaker 00 So his brother's a cop, his sister-in-law is a prosecutor. And I mean, the fact that he mentions this very early on in the interrogation is definitely a very soft way of saying, I might lawyer up whenever I want. So I would tread carefully, is the vibe that he gives.
34:22 Speaker 01 Or maybe he's trying to say, hey, I'm also, you know, my brother is a cop too. Hello?
34:28 Speaker 00 Yeah. And so he just has all these like weird moments. He also tries to hint that Chris Steele would be out of the house for a really long time. So he's like trying to make it seem like Chris Steele was suspicious. And I just want to say, and I say this every single time, if an investigator ever asks you, what do you think happened in this car? Who do you think did it? I just want you to know that investigator thinks you did it. And Daniel is asked and he responds, so in my brain, the story that I have is that someone came to the door. Maybe she went outside to get a package and they must have come in and she's a fighter. She's strong. She would have fought.
35:09 Speaker 00 And again, it's like the movies. It's like, that's not the question right now. Like you're trying to figure out who killed your wife? Why are you saying things like, she's a fighter? She would have fought. At one point, when the police are leading him out, he's like, I just need to know what to tell my kids. Did she fight? Cause she's a fighter. Again, it's just bizarre. Bizarre.
35:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
35:34 Speaker 00 Who do you think killed her? I think it's Kick Man. I mean, I think it's Anthony. What if I told you we had already spoken to Anthony and there's no way that he was in town today? Then I have nothing that then I'm terrified to bring my children home. What are you terrified of? If it wasn't him, who was it? If you are watching these facts unfold in front of you in a movie, what would you say happened? There has to be someone. I loved her. There has to be someone. I don't know who that is.
36:06 Speaker 01 How was his performance, I guess, when he first came to the scene or found out that the wife is killed?
36:14 Speaker 00 When he is in front of the house, that's the moment where I would say, we can't really judge grief. I actually had like a whole thing about this while I was watching the footage because I was comparing and I was like, okay, I don't know who would have a harder time because he is much more distraught than Chris Steele's mother. And I was thinking, okay, does that make sense for the spouse to be? I guess it would. And I was having all these different thoughts in my head. I would say when he gets to the house, he's on his knees. He does keep saying things like, I should have protected her. I was supposed to protect her. I think at that point, it's kind of believable.
36:52 Speaker 00 I don't know if that's how you would behave, but I think that's like when the applicable term of well, everyone responds to grief and shock differently would apply.
37:02 Speaker 01 Hmm, ah, I see. So you're saying that it looked like in hindsight, it was very theatrical, right? Very.
37:09 Speaker 00 Okay, because then I was also trying to think, right? I think I am probably the most theatrical person that I know in terms of like. I am dramatic with my words and I like ah and I laugh loudly and things, but I think when shit comes down, I would be very. Alert of like, okay, let me process this. We gotta cat, we gotta like, I would jump into action. So I thought it was weird that he was so. On his knees and saying I should have protect, when it seems like the rest of the family are like, okay, what what are we gonna do? We gotta figure things out. The kids. That we gotta worry about the kids. It's not just us, like, obviously there's grief, but there's also three kids that we have to take care of, figure out their safety.
37:49 Speaker 01 Like, in contrast, you're saying that he he is more in that, like, oh, my god, oh, my god, versus other people kind of had their shit together.
37:56 Speaker 00 Yeah, I think like in that moment, I would probably have my shit together and then fall apart later. Because it's like, okay, especially when you factor in the three kids.
38:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, but in hindsight, though, that that just now we know this is his choice of performance.
38:12 Speaker 00 Yes.
38:13 Speaker 01 Like, he thinks this is the most believable reaction to give.
38:16 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
38:17 Speaker 01 But it looked very off when he arrived at the station, just instantly became really off.
38:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, I think, okay, now in hindsight, obviously, everything is clear in hindsight. I also think like the constant, I was supposed to protect her. I didn't protect her is really weird at the scene when he gets to the house. Because it's not, it's not about his kids, it's not about safety, and it's also not about like. We gotta find the fucker who did this. Like, there is no action. It's like very him centric. It's like, I'm the protector and I failed. I'm the biggest victim. Ooh, the guilt. I it's almost like he wants people to be like, you did everything you could.
38:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see. Yeah, exactly.
39:01 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's weird, but I will say um the okay, so there is a blonde woman next to him who's comforting him more than Christine's mother. And she is the victim advocate that was called to the scene. Her name is Heather, she's interviewed later and she says at that moment, it was fine. It's actually when she gets in the car with him, driving into the police station for the interview, she thought it was weird.
39:22 Speaker 01 Really?
39:23 Speaker 00 Yeah, she said that he was like slumped over in the passenger seat, like in a fetal position. Again, kind of weird. And I'm like, okay, I also don't see how that again, maybe it's just me being like, couldn't be me, but it's just weird like he's not. She said, most people ask questions.
39:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:38 Speaker 00 They're like, what, what do you know? How, what happened? Like, they're like a mess, but they're still trying to gather information. And maybe it's all over the place because they're a mess, but it's not just like, I'm so sad I couldn't protect her. It's like, what's happening? Like, what happened? Tell me what happened, right?
39:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:53 Speaker 00 There's none of that. He's not asking questions. And then she just feels so weird about it. She said she has this gut feeling where at one point she was like. Did you do something?
40:03 Speaker 01 Really?
40:03 Speaker 00 And then she is like, oh, my God, I'm such a shitty person. She's like, what's wrong with me? Like, this is a man who just lost his wife and I'm over here like, what am I doing? Like, I'm watching too much Dateline. Like, what's wrong with me? And she's like, okay, I gotta get it together. Like, this is not okay.
40:17 Speaker 01 I see.
40:18 Speaker 00 But she just had this like weird gut feeling where just like some things are off.
40:24 Speaker 01 And he, she probably been doing this, right? Meeting a lot of victims and.
40:28 Speaker 00 Yeah.
40:30 Speaker 00 And he keeps trying to seem like really confused all the time. Like even when the cop is like, oh, can we see your phone to see the house cameras? It's like lots of like, what did I put my? Oh, yeah, here's my phone. Um, okay, let me try to unlock it like. It's just like this really performative, trying to seem harmless.
40:51 Speaker 01 Hmm, yeah.
40:54 Speaker 00 Also, I thought it was weird that at the crime scene, he never asks about the kids. I'm not a parent, but I think my first reaction, like, God forbid anything happened, if there are children involved in anything, I'd be like, where are they? Are they fine? Like, who's gonna get them? Like, we gotta figure out something. But he's the dad, and he's not even like, are the kids okay? Like, where are the kids? Are they safe? How do we know they're safe?
41:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:20 Speaker 00 And so, he doesn't appear emotional during the interview. He just looks slumped over as time progresses. And the officers are like, "Help me make sense of this. I don't know. I'm not the one who does this. I don't have a narrative or a story that I can offer you. I get the narrative that you guys are putting together, but it all alleges that I would do this to my children. I love and adore my children."
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44:34 Speaker 00 There's, like I said, footage of him telling his children what happened. So all three of them are brought into the police station. They're pulled out of school. And he is asked, "Do you want to tell your kids, or do you want us to tell your kids?" And he's like, "I gotta tell my kids." So he sits down with them. He tells them, and they are like incredibly... There's not exactly a word that I would use to describe it. I think distraught would be a very simple word, but I just don't really know. I mean, one of them seems like she's in high school, the other two seem pretty young.
45:04 Speaker 01 What did he say? He just say that you're...
45:06 Speaker 00 Again, very theatrical, like, "She's gone. She's not coming back."
45:13 Speaker 01 Hmm. Okay.
45:16 Speaker 00 They're just. And there are like some speculations I saw in some comments of um some of these videos circulating. Where some people think that maybe the eldest, uh cause the whole thing is blurred, but you can still kind of see bodies. Maybe the eldest had an inkling because they seem the most standoffish from the dad, but he's just like comforting them and it's just.
45:42 Speaker 01 And they're just like, what, scream crying?
45:44 Speaker 00 Yeah.
45:45 Speaker 01 And how is he comforting them? Just patting them?
45:48 Speaker 00 Yeah.
45:50 Speaker 01 Wow.
45:53 Speaker 00 And I think the reason, like, I wouldn't even want to bring this up or even talk about it, but I think the whole point is the fact that he would do that to his own kids. It's like less about, oh, look at the kid's reaction. It's more so like, look, hear the things that he's saying to his kids after he did it.
46:12 Speaker 01 That's so sick. Now, you think about that, he chose to give that information to the kids.
46:18 Speaker 00 Yeah.
46:19 Speaker 01 And he knows that he's. You know what I mean? Like, if he really cared, obviously, he wouldn't commit a crime, but then also he probably would not have the guts to even see that.
46:32 Speaker 00 Yeah. But he doesn't. And the police are saying like, I think ultimately, you thought this would bring you closer to your kids in your mind. Because now you're all the kids have. The officer tells Daniel exactly what they think happened. They think that Anthony has reached out in the past to Christine and maybe Daniel has gotten jealous. Even though she has told him multiple times that she's married and he backs off. And this was, you know, back in twenty sixteen was probably the last time that he reached out. He did ask if she wanted to have intimate relations. So maybe you had a question about infidelity. Whether it's with Anthony or anybody else, because why would Anthony randomly ask about having intimate relations? If they hadn't had intimate relations, like they're trying to be on Daniel's side.
47:16 Speaker 00 And so, you know, you might create an account to see if Christine's actually interested in Anthony. So you ask, you push, she doesn't respond. And then you're just trying to confirm your suspicions of infidelity. You don't get the response and the openness that you once did. And you think that, well, maybe if I keep doing this, she's going to come closer to me because she's so scared and she has nobody else. So you amp it up a little bit. And then you even send a photo of yourself in the account that you created. Daniel is asked again, like if you were watching these unfold, what would you say happened if this were a movie? There has to be someone. He says, I'm not the one who does this. I'm analytical at work. I read and write fiction at home. I don't do crime drama.
48:00 Speaker 00 I don't know what any of this is.
48:02 Speaker 01 He writes fiction? He's a writer?
48:05 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
48:07 Speaker 01 Huh.
48:08 Speaker 00 Yeah. But for a month, Kristielle doesn't tell Daniel what's happening. So he amps it up by sending that photo of himself. And that's when Kristielle tells Daniel about the stalking that's been happening. And he keeps amping it up. Kristielle is still over it. She's like, I don't want to be in this marriage anymore. I want to get a divorce. And the police wrote in their report, there's like a 700 page report that we come through. But Kristielle told somebody in the family that she has a photo of bruising on one of the kids that she is going to use against Daniel in a custody case. And then she also told a friend that she confronted Daniel because she was starting to feel as if Daniel was the stalker.
48:52 Speaker 00 So the police believe that not only does she have some sort of evidence against him in the custody case, she's about to out him to everyone publicly, to their family members, maybe even to the police, that he is the stalker. He's going to lose everything. And so he killed her. So the forensic evidence from the top, the Krug house has four cameras on the outside of the house, doorbell camera, one on the side of the house, one that shows the driveway and the garage. And it's crazy, like this FOIA request, we got all of the footage from that. And we also got footage from like neighbors cameras. There's a lot of footage. But multiple of the cameras were turned off for two hours that morning. And the only people that could turn it off manually are Daniel and Kristielle.
49:36 Speaker 00 It's only turned back on when Daniel goes to work and he is later than normal, his work time. And he also seems really casual walking through his office, which is unsettling after he just murdered his wife. He then comes back to the house in extreme distress. But when he calls that welfare check, he calls the police, he calls Kristiels mom.
49:55 Speaker 01 Wait, he's the one that called?
49:56 Speaker 00 Yeah, and he's also the one that called Kristiels mom to go check up on Kristiels.
50:01 Speaker 01 For what reason?
50:02 Speaker 00 Maybe it's the ultimate revenge because it seems like he has this venomous hatred towards Kristiels family.
50:07 Speaker 01 Right, right, right. But what warned, what made him decide to call wellness call, like, just out of nowhere in the morning?
50:15 Speaker 00 Yeah, so he said that he hasn't been able to get in contact with his wife and it's weird because they had a stalker. So if they could just go check, he's at work right now. He left work earlier this morning, she was dropping off the kids.
50:27 Speaker 01 He called the neighbor, the mom, and the police?
50:30 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm. And he's like, it's probably nothing, but like, just in case.
50:35 Speaker 01 I don't know, for someone who's planning doing this for so long, there's also very dumb. Like, everything he does is like...
50:43 Speaker 00 There were also messages from Kristiels phone that morning that she was killed. One of them was to Daniel, that was sent after she was killed. Right? Which, how is that possible? He's out of the house, he gets a text message when he's at work from Kristiels. Those are all scheduled. There was one scheduled to be sent out to Detective Martinez, one to her dad. All of them pre-scheduled. You can schedule text messages on Kristiels phone and someone had scheduled those messages. Who would it be if not Daniel? Because that needs to point to, these messages were sent once he was out of the house.
51:16 Speaker 00 If the police didn't realize that these text messages were scheduled, they could have believed that Daniel was out of the house and Kristiels was still alive inside the house. Then you factor in some really dumb stuff. The day before Kristiels murder, he's Googling, "How long," at least he spelled "how" correctly, "but how long can you be unconscious without brain damage? How hard a hit for head trauma to go unconscious? How hard would you have to hit someone in the head to make them unconscious? Do people really go unconscious when hit in the head? What happens when you're hit in the head?" The picture of Daniel getting out of his car at work that the stalker took of him, data forensics were able to uncover that it was on selfie timer mode. I guess the meta metadata can show if it was like taking with the front camera, the back camera. It was like selfie mode, front camera on a timer.
52:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, that was my question. So he put put a little.
52:03 Speaker 00 Yeah. He bought a burner phone, but he buys it not with a credit card, but with a gift card. That gift card is registered to himself. When he first starts messaging Chris Steele, because she doesn't respond to that first message of like, hey, it's Anthony, right? He didn't know if the message was going through, so he decides to text himself from the burner phone and just the word test. He responds back, yeah. All the messages being sent, the emails being created, the emails being sent, they're all being sent from the IP address at Daniel's workplace, the Department of Public Health in Colorado. When authorities confront Daniel about it, he just says it doesn't make any sense. The wifi, we have public access and everybody knows the passwords, but nobody believes him.
52:43 Speaker 00 The trial takes place and if you had any questions about how evil this guy is, even during the trial, the impact statements, this is when Chris Steele's family is, they're going to come up and tell the judge about how this has impacted their lives so that the judge can be more thorough with sentencing. Daniel is telling his parents on the phone that during sentencing, they should be able to give impact statements. So Daniel's family are allowed to give like character statements. They're not allowed to like give impact statements in that sense.
53:14 Speaker 01 Right.
53:14 Speaker 00 Because the people impacted by the crime are supposed to give impact statements. And he says, under the terms of the law, you are family members of the victim. You lost a daughter in law. My brother lost a sister in law. You should be allowed to speak if you choose.
53:30 Speaker 01 Why does he want them to talk?
53:32 Speaker 00 Probably to say nice things about him too. And also it's just like such a slap in the face to Chris Steele's family. Like they lost a daughter and a sister. What do you mean you lost a daughter in law? You lost a sister in law. You should be able to talk.
53:47 Speaker 01 Yeah. And what's the parents' reaction to that?
53:50 Speaker 00 Oh, he continues though. He's like, they said you might be able to speak, um, whether it's on my behalf or Chris Steele's behalf, I don't care. The point is you deserve to be recognized as the victim's family, which has been denied to me since the day she died. The mom looks hesitant and she says, do you want her family to even hear us? Yes, you lost Chris Steele, just like I did. The loss isn't theirs alone. So yes, I would like you to speak if you are willing and able.
54:19 Speaker 01 This is after he's found guilty?
54:21 Speaker 00 Yeah. I just think everyone involved just fucking hates Daniel, uh, even the police officers. And again, this is not like me commending police officers. I think that they're doing their job. I think that's their job, right? There's nothing to praise there, but there are moments in the body cam. The arresting officers are searching through his car and one of them is reading through his journal briefly. Just to quote, make sure, was he gonna fucking off himself or some shit? I gotta look. And he's like reading through the journal and the other cop is like, is there a confession in there? No. And they're both disappointed. Also, before their arrest, the it's like kind of comical in the only sense because we fucking hate Daniel, but nothing else. And like, I guess the only thing that's like, okay, some relief is one of the cops is like,
55:03 Speaker 00 once he does the stop, because they're gonna arrest Daniel in his car. They're like, once he does the stop, we're gonna flip the bitch. So they're like getting pumped to arrest Daniel. I don't know if they're just like.
55:14 Speaker 01 They pulled him over like a, a stop sign?
55:18 Speaker 00 No, so he was going to his daughter's recital and they bombarded him in the parking lot when he was by himself, thankfully not with the kids. So they got him, but it's like every tone of all the police officers working this case, they just hate the guy.
55:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:32 Speaker 00 Yeah, they're just so ready to.
55:36 Speaker 00 The jurors deliberated for a day and a half.
55:38 Speaker 01 Eight days?
55:39 Speaker 00 No, one day.
55:40 Speaker 01 Oh, one day, one day.
55:41 Speaker 00 One day and a half. They concluded that Daniel would be found guilty of murder in the first degree, stalking in extreme emotional distress, stalking with credible threat and criminal impersonation. He will be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The whole time during the conviction and the sentencing, Anthony was there. The guy that he tried to frame.
56:05 Speaker 01 Wow.
56:05 Speaker 00 Detective Martinez states that this case has haunted me since it occurred. And the outcome of the case has haunted me for the past two years. Kristiell's parents have given some grace stating that it's not really Detective Martinez's fault. They think inevitably, I think he was going to kill her. When someone sets their mind to do something like that, and that's what the plan was, I don't think that would have stopped the murder from happening. Anthony also, he was interviewed and he said that the morning that he went to go buy that sweatshirt from Kohl's, he now thinks that it was Kristiell sending him a message. Because it was just so random, like he didn't really need a sweatshirt. It was just kind of like a, he just felt the urge to go buy a sweatshirt.
56:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
56:49 Speaker 00 The receipt for that would be his ultimate alibi. And so with that, that is the case of Kristiell Krug. I saw a lot of people saying this was like the smartest, most calculated murder in history.
57:03 Speaker 00 I think there was just a lot of effort put in, but it wasn't, I think Daniel would get off on being called smart and calculated. I think he's a bozo. I think he sucks at acting. And I think ultimately, he deserves everything that's going to come to him in prison.
57:18 Speaker 01 And during all of those calls, he just, the whole time, he's saying he's, he didn't do it.
57:25 Speaker 00 And he's mad that he thinks someone is taking his valuable coins. He thinks the police stole a ring, the credit card information, which I'm not saying I don't think police, they probably did. They could have, right? I mean, that wouldn't be the craziest thing police have done, but also like, you deserve it, so. What are your thoughts on this case? Let me know in the comments and I will see you in the next one.
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