17 Yr Old Mackenzie Shirilla Kills BF & Friend In Car Crash - ALL Her Private Snapchat Messages

19 year old Davion Flanagan’s family and 20 year old Dominic Russo’s family want to know what the hell happened that morning. How could 17 year old Mackenzie Shirilla drive her car straight into a brick building at 100 mph killing their two boys? How could she be the sole survivor? This is the case of Mackenzie Shirilla who used a high speed, intentional motor vehicle collision to end the lives of her longterm boyfriend Dominic Russo and his friend/roommate at the time, Davion Flanagan. After the release of Netflix’s documentary, ’The Crash,’ interest surrounding the case grew but audiences were left with more questions about the fuller picture. Naturally, we FOIA requested this case to the authorities and received: Over 4 thousand videos. Over 4 thousand photos. Around 31 thousand pages of text messages. Around 92 thousand text messages between just Mackenzie and Dominic. Close to 800 text messages between Mackenzie and her father, Steve Shirilla. Close to 2 thousand text messages between Mackenzie and her close friends. As well as 2 thousand pages of Instagram DMs. 2 entire phone data extraction files with hundreds of personal videos, photos, and audio messages. And 97 jail calls from Mackenzie post-conviction. We have gone through all of it and we’re here to break it down for you. Davion Flanagan Memorial Scholarship Fund Change the Game for Dom Foundation Petition · "Dom and Davion's Law" - Victims Before Influencers: Modernize Son of Sam Laws - United States · Change.org Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com

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  It's like a storm is coming. I mean, not figuratively, but the officer has to turn away from the road. He can hear the wind going crazy. It sounds like a tornado, but he can't directly look at what's causing all this wind. At least it's not advised. All the debris that's getting kicked up into the air, the dust, it's going to get into his eyes and then there's going to be a bigger problem and he's not going to be as useful right now. And he needs to be very useful because he needs to save somebody's life. In the event of a very, very bad car crash, it always feels like a storm is coming. And that's not figuratively. It's usually the lifelike. It's a helicopter. This is essentially a flying emergency room and it is looking for a place to land, typically on the road.

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  I mean, it does need clearance. A lot of the police have to taper off a section and the pilot is ultimately the one that decides if it's safe to land. But these helicopters, they're trying to land as quickly as possible, as closely as possible to the crash site so that they can get whoever needs help with no time wasted to the closest medical facility. The lifelike lands and they hurry to get the patient onboard and fly them to Metro Health Medical Center Intensive Care Unit, specifically Room 571. That is where she wakes up from surgery. The officers, the police officers, the detectives, they're knocking on the hospital door to ask her, "What happened in that car crash?" Because you were driving. So what happened? What did you do?

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  How did those two boys in the car die? The doctor's notes read: Patient awake, alert, appropriate, clearly articulated verbal response. Patient without recall of circumstances or timing of collision. Seventeen-year-old Mackenzie is sitting in the hospital room, and she informs the officers she doesn't recall a single thing after getting into that car. Even when she tries to remember, there is nothing. It's just blank. Everything faded to black. There's nothing. She doesn't remember how she, the driver, ended up crashing the car into the brick building, killing her boyfriend Dom and killing their friend Davion. She says she can't remember. I mean, she wishes she could. She cries out, in fact, that she wishes that she could have been the one that died instead of them. Why them? Why not her?

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  It's just a very tricky time for everyone in Strongsville, Ohio. But it is an unbearable time for nineteen-year-old Davion's family and twenty-year-old Dominic's family. Because they want to know what the hell happened. They want to know how their family member was killed. But the only person that knows that answer is in the hospital, just got out of multiple surgeries, and she claims she doesn't remember a thing. I think they have every single right to demand answers, but because they're inherently good people, they don't. They wait. They wait because they want seventeen-year-old Mackenzie to heal from her surgery. Because even though their sons were killed, they don't want another person to die. They don't know what happened in the car. They don't immediately go and interrogate Mackenzie after she's gotten out of surgery, which no one would blame them for doing. I'm sure they really wanted to.

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  There's so much that doesn't make sense that they have to sit with for a prolonged period of time, probably even now. Like, why was she driving so fast, straight into a brick building, and never hitting the brakes? I don't think anyone would have faulted them if they were posted up in that hospital room, but they weren't. Instead, they were waiting. And while they were waiting, they find out that seventeen-year-old Mackenzie has not been waiting. She does not wait. She does not wait to post Snapchat stories of herself laying in the hospital bed. She'll like post the little flowers that she received from the hospital. But more shocking, she hasn't even waited to respond to a modeling agency. That reached out to her on Instagram a day or two after the fatal crash.

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  The brand comments on Mackenzie's Instagram page, asking to use a picture of her to repost to their socials. Mackenzie's mom responds, "Thank you for this amazing opportunity. She would love if you would use that. She's actually been trying to contact you guys for a PR email. It was a tragic accident. This is just as painful for her as it is for everyone else, or maybe even a little more painful."

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  Did the brand reach out because they figured, found out about the crash, or?

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  It doesn't seem like it. It seems like she tagged them and some intern was just like, "Oh, hey, can I use this photo?" And then Mackenzie herself responds, "Thank you for the comment. I would love to work with you guys. I've been emailing you guys a lot. Such a great opportunity. Thank you." How does someone respond like that after killing their boyfriend and friend in the car? This is the case of Mackenzie Shirilla and the lives that were cut short of Dominic Russo and Davion Flanagan. This case has gained a lot of attention since the release of the Netflix documentary, The Crash. We did FOIA this case and the file that we got back was pretty massive. I mean, we received approximately over 4,000 separate videos, 4,896 photos, 31,000 pages of text messages just between Mackenzie and her boyfriend Dom.

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  It was approximately 92,892 text messages back and forth, oh, close to 800 text messages between Mackenzie and her own father, Steve Shirilla, which is, I mean, there's a lot of conspiracies coming out of those messages. Close to 2,000 text messages between Mackenzie and her close friends, as well as 2,000 pages of Instagram DM messages between Mackenzie and various other people, as well as massive folders for all of Mackenzie's Snapchat data, including personal photos, videos, audio messages sent to friends, TikTok data, Instagram data, as well as 97 jail calls, 551 pages of documents from police reports, and 39 body cam and dash cam videos.

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  We have gone through all of it because it is a massive amount of just data. I know that a lot of people were trying to run the text message file through AI to pick out important parts. We literally sat there and read through every single page, every single- Google text message and we are going to break it down for you. This is going to be a five part series. In this first part, we're going to be going over the crash itself as well as going over who was in the car, their relationships to one another, and generally what people believe happened that night. In part two, we're going to break down the Netflix documentary, the social media response to the documentary, because it's been a lot. There's been a lot of conspiracy theories that have been circulating online about what was happening at the party that the three, Mackenzie, Dom and Davion, had attended right

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  before the crash, as well as we actually asked two of the more controversial individuals from the documentary, all of the questions that we saw social media had for them, and they responded. It was like a two hour long conversation. In part three, we're going to be breaking down Mackenzie's relationship with her parents as well as the semi-confirmed speculations that Mackenzie was sending messages to people in regards to potential sex work. Not that there was sex work that was committed or done, not that there was any sex work evidence found, but messages communicating back and forth about potential sex work.

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  In part four, we're going to be breaking down the entire 31,000 page document of text messages between Mackenzie and Dom and covering the popular theory that Mackenzie knew that Dom was breaking up with her soon, so she planned the crash. And in part five, we're going to cover the jail calls and the alleged prison girlfriends, because after this Netflix documentary, so many people have been coming out saying, I was in jail or I was in prison with Mackenzie, as well as the status of the appeal. So that is going to be the five parts. And with that being said, we would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support Change the Game for Dom Foundation and Davion Flanagan's Memorial Scholarship Fund. Both GoFundMes are run by the families of the victims and we will include all of those

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  in the description, as well as all the information regarding Dom and Davion's Law, which aims to update Ohio's Son of Sam laws in order to prevent violent offenders from profiting off their crimes. All of those are going to be included in our show notes. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's team of dedicated researchers. We'd also like to thank you Guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available at rotten mingle podcast com. Today's case involves mentions of illicit drug usage, reckless driving, driving while intoxicated, self-exit, and possible domestic violence. We did pull the FOIA for this case and literally went through tens of thousands of pages of text messages, detective incident reports, autopsy reports. So naturally, a lot of quotes and statements may be condensed for brevity's sake. Secondly, many of Dom and Davion's

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  family members have spoken up and have shared their stories about how this has impacted them. I would heavily recommend you watching through all of those because I think they are like the firsthand encounters to describe what it was like being around people like Dom and Davion. I think, and they're very eloquent with their words. I'm going to link all of their social media below because they have been active since the documentary to voice out the impact that this case and the documentary has had on them. In order to explain the entirety of the case, there will be times where we will be going through opinions of netizens, theories of netizens, even conspiracy theories. But keep in mind that we do state that these are opinions, comments, and speculations made by netizens. They

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  do not represent our own opinions. So with that, let's get started. Depending on who you ask, you're going to get a completely different view of who Mackenzie Shirilla is, which I'm sure it applies to every single one of us. There are going to be people in your life that love you, and then there are going to be the ones that hate you. But you can still pinpoint who they're talking about most of the time. The people that hate you will say, oh, she has no backbone, and they're so desperate to be liked. The people who like you are going to say, oh, they're so sweet and accommodating and really care about other people's feelings all the time. Two different perspectives typically of the same personality traits just interpreted differently. But the part that boggles my mind about Mackenzie Shirilla is it feels like everyone's talking about inherently different individuals. She sounds like a different person depending on

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  who you talk to. Some friends will say that she's one of those people who took care of herself and other people. One friend says that she was being bullied, and Mackenzie would be the one that would stand up for her and tell people, that's not okay. Don't bully her. One friend reminisces about her friendship with Mackenzie on Snapchat and she writes, "I remember during one of my drunken breakdowns, I texted Kenzie to come to my room so I didn't interrupt the party and she sat next to me and said, 'Oh no babe, we drunk crying, what's wrong?' And just listened to me without any judgment. That is the kind of girl Mackenzie Shirilla is." But others are confused because they're like, "Do we know the same person?" They say, "You know, she has a bitch list. Like she has a burn book from Mean Girls,

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  the style of bitch list that um, they had in the Regina George, like they write down the people's names that they want to get revenge on. In Mackenzie's Notes app on her phone, she had a list of forty-eight names of, I guess, bitches that she hates and wants revenge on. Some of those individuals would have descriptors next to their names such as transgender or the fatty."

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  What?

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  Yeah.

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  Wait, this is poured from the police?

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  Yeah.

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  What?

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  Which hardly feels like someone without much judgment, but that's why it's interesting that everybody has such polar opposite opinions on Mackenzie as an individual. But I think one objective fact is, she loves to post photos and videos of herself, which isn't inherently a nefarious thing. I too technically post a ton of videos of myself, but one person says, "Nobody loved Mackenzie like Mackenzie loved Mackenzie." And Mackenzie, she wanted to be an influencer. Her Instagram had twenty-seven hundred followers at one point and she writes in her Instagram bio, "Fashion model, your inspiration, modeling, Ohio." I don't really know how to describe Mackenzie's style. I mean, she's definitely not in the

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  relatable influencer niche, I would say. She's out here posting how she only likes designer things and money. She'll do the, the money fans, like the, the money brick iPhones where she'll have an obscenely large stack of cash, a brick like the size of a fucking table lamp. And she's trying to, I don't know, hear the melody of tax evasion from the other side, like she's using it like a little phone and taking photos of herself. She has a very specific Y2K baddie type aesthetic that she likes to stick to. She'll take car videos of herself in the car with the Words all over the screen, the police, working, fast food, winter, Parma, Ohio, like a city in Ohio.

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  Fake friends, anything that's not designer, cancers, GMO foods, new Juicy Couture, the show Friends, and Ohio.

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  All in one frame?

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  Yeah, so it's like words just scattered all throughout the screen, right? And she's like posing for the camera. What do all of these things have in common? She uses the TikTok sound from Kim Kardashian while wearing obscenely large sunglasses. And the sound is, it's just never been my thing, not into it, so not approved. Side note, I think she's talking about the astrological sign cancers, not terminal illness cancers, so there is that. She also likes to get her nails done to have the giant Dior logo. It's like she's got ten Dior lip glosses on her hands, just floating around. She posts on Instagram stories, a picture of her in like a a bathing suit in the snow, and the caption reads, I dress and post for me and only me. If you don't like that, please go die.

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  She goes through the trends of having a full set of lash extensions that look like she stole a horse's tail in the middle of the night and attached it to her retinas. I think everybody's had that phase. I do believe the lash extensions, however, were giving her infections because there are Instagram DMs where she talks extensively about getting prescribed steroids for her eyes. And then she goes and gets them done again, just to have her eyes look like she put in red forty eye drops. I mean, generally speaking, I would say that she just makes very cringey TikToks. I guess it's understandable, considering she's what, sixteen, seventeen years old when she's posting a lot of these things? I could have made a freaking career embarrassing myself at that age. Instead, I did it for free, so it's fine. I mean, none of this is nefarious.

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  I don't think any of these things have any sort of evidentiary value as to what kind of person Kenzie is. It's just really cringey. However, I think the parts that start to get a bit more alarming and worth considering is her never-ending obsession with documenting herself getting high. She'll post videos of herself smoking weed out of a giant foot-long bong in her room, which is a bit questionable to be posting at sixteen, seventeen. But maybe not my circus, not my monkeys, I'm not an narc. She does have normal posts as well, where she's just doing like fruit reviews, trying hybrid fruits. So it's not like she only posts smoking weed, but she'll like scatter them around. But a lot, a lot of smoking weed and then she'll do a fruit review, trying a hybrid fruit,

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  like a hybrid between a honeydew and a cantaloupe.

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  Interesting.

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  Or she'll review garage sale finds, where she finds like a cute purse. Or she'll post videos of herself in her Toyota. She's got this like pink fuzzy steering wheel cover and she's just taking pictures while driving, while smoking a blunt, documenting herself, driving under the influence, not even focusing on the driving aspects because she's so busy trying to show her Snapchat that she's driving under the influence.

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  And she's sixteen.

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  She's like seventeen at this point, I would say, yeah. I mean, it's to the point where she does everything but driving while driving. She films rant videos while driving, she's lip syncing for TikTok, doing just about anything but focusing on her driving. She's showing off her furry pink steering wheel cover, zooming in on her face during songs, showing off her nails, showing off her lashes, her oversized sunglasses. In some videos, she's parked, so she's not actively driving, but she does go after other people that she disagrees with on the road. So she'll like be parked and show another car and be like, look at this R word. He's literally parked on the line.

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  As if she's not just, yeah. She also has road rage issues. On Snapchat, she would post cars that pissed her off. With one, it's a picture of a car on the road in front of her and she writes, this bitch dumb AF. Then another one, dumb ass. And it's just like, you know, license pick pictures.

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  Just generally speaking, whenever she's driving, she's kind of looking like a bozo. She'll wear these sunglasses that look like two dinner plates on her face, which I guess you could say is objectively cute, but it's not cute at all to do this while driving. I mean, the amount of times her phone will fall while she's driving and recording is rage inducing. Just focus on driving, holy shit. There's one video where she shows that she's doing butterflies with her legs on her seat. So her feet are nowhere near the pedal or the brakes. She's like crisscross applesauce.

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  The car's going.

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  Yeah, so it seems like she's probably on cruise control on the highway. And her attention is definitely on showing off that she's cruise controlling and crisscross applesauce rather than on the road. She's not focused on the road. Another video shows she's lip syncing the words to a song that go, "I go fast like NASCAR." And she's again, driving while doing this. There's another video where she's lip syncing to songs and she closes her mouth every time the N-word is saying, which is the correct thing to do, but she's also at the same time going through all of her copious pages upon thousands of pages of text messages, calling her boyfriend the N-word when she's mad at him. So I don't know why she feels the need to be performative about it.

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  She is often, and very often like mad at her boyfriend Dom for seemingly no good reason at all, but more on that later. There's another video of her where she's going 93 miles per hour on the highway with a car that's pretty close in front of her. And she's taking this video and I really don't understand the purpose of the video. I don't know if it's to show off. I don't know if it's just to be included in a future FOIA file. I don't understand. There was no aesthetic value to the video. There's no message in the video. It was just bizarre.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  She's just trying to show off how fast she's going?

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  Yeah. There's a DM exchange between Mackenzie and another friend earlier in 2022, where Mackenzie messages them, "Go run your car off a bridge. I'm dead. I'll just crash my car into your car." They respond, "I hope you die when you do that." Now, within a few days, they are talking just like normal friends. So I guess this is their friendly version of banter, but it's just... If you were to take out the rest of this case and just comb through Mackenzie's social media, not knowing what's going on, you would come to the conclusion that she is an incredibly reckless teenager with basically zero foresight that will say, do, and post whatever she feels without any, any thought about consequences.

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  She's not exactly a likable individual as well. That doesn't inherently make her guilty of a crime, but I am saying she's incredibly unlikable and she was found guilty of the crime. But nevertheless, I feel like I have been trapped in the inner workings of Mackenzie's mind for God knows how long now. And it is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to even muster up an ounce of sympathy for her. Just based on how she speaks to people through text messages, DMs, what she posts, and obviously ultimately her actions. It's just, um, I hate it here. She'll complain to her friends about how she got banned from TikTok Live for seven days because quote, "I was literally calling people ugly and saying fuck, but they chose to ban me for saying that. Whack."

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  Then she'll go on Instagram, look up TikTok's official Instagram account and then DM them. Fuck you guys, fuck you guys, make it so bad for creators, fuck you guys, I hate y'all, fuck you, y'all's support system is shit, reply to my DM.

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  She'll post videos ranting, why is TikTok targeting the fuck out of my account? I cannot, like, this was posted literally days ago on the 4th of July, so why was it taken down? It's literally not a pest. Which is a very interesting tactic considering right around this time Mackenzie is trying to become an influencer, if you will, she wants to be famous, she expresses that pretty much verbatim multiple times that she wants to be famous. I'm not entirely sure how cursing out the TikTok social media intern is gonna get you there, but that's exactly what she's doing. She also rants about ghost followers, she's ranting to a friend through Instagram DMs. They just ruin my engagement, stalker ghost followers, it ruins engagement, I'm over here trying to gain, because if you have all these followers and it's getting pushed out to them,

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  but they don't like it, it just ruins it. To another friend she rants, it's literally making me so mad, like, I hate these weird fucking ghost-following bitches, they hate to see me succeeding, like, anytime a pretty girl is doing good, they don't like that.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  What did she complain?

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  That they ghost-follow her but don't like her photos, she complains that certain photos won't even get 200 likes these days, and so she has to hide her likes, which sounds like a personal problem because you really don't have to hide them, no one cares. But at the same time, she's reaching out to big clothing brands like I Am Gia, saying, "Hey, I'm Gia, um, I know I've reached out here before, but consistency is key, I would love to work together and collaborate with you guys, thank you for being a weight-inclusive brand." Then, in another TikTok, she's modeling a see-through cover-up, and the audio plays, "All I want is just one day here where I'm not visually assaulted by uglies and fatties." So she's like, "Thank you, I Am Gia, for being weight-inclusive." And then she's also posting TikToks being like, visually assaulted by uglies and fatties.

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  For modeling, she likes to send pitches through Instagram DM that read and like it's very interesting that I'm like reading through her pitches to all of these. It's just unhinged. She says, I believe I'm a great model because I'm a petite girl and we don't see enough of us represented in the industry. I have modeling experience and I've done several photo shoots and walked runways. I'm five three and have a fiery personality and I'm willing to travel. But then in another rant video, she posts, I just wanted to make this video and talk about things that I don't like. I don't like when people eat McDonald's. It grosses me the fuck out. I don't like Swishers and what else do I, oh, I don't like when people talk about the world and be like, oh, we're all gonna be dead in sixty years anyways. Please go fucking kill yourself. Yep, I said it. Go die bitch.

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  So like her DMs and what she's posting are completely not even in the same realm of like who she's trying to present herself at is it's

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  She's posting these publicly?

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  Yeah, so she had three TikTok accounts. They just kept getting banned. And then she would post a ton of stuff on Snapchat. She was under the impression, I think, that Snapchat deletes forever and ever and like the law enforced, no one can get it.

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  But they keep everything.

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  Oh, yeah, they kept everything. I mean, I saw private voice memos she sent to her friends on Snapchat. I saw she would take screenshots on her phone and send it to her friends on Snapchat of what she's doing on a website. I'm gonna talk about this more in depth later, but she's like filling out a fake ID website. She got her name in there, her address, her phone number. She's taking fake ID photos, screenshotting it, like sending it to her friends on Snapchat. And I'm just like seeing it all.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

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  Yeah.

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  So her whole incriminating

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  Yeah.

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  record is all on Snapchat.

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  Just like in a series of zip files. Yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  She does partake in a lot of the TikTok trends too. So you know the one that it's like, oh, put a finger down, you know, if you have blah, blah, blah. And there's a lot of variations for it, but she chooses specifically to, to do the one that says, put a finger down psycho edition. And she's with her friend doing this. If you get more than five fingers, you're a psycho. You won't see me anywhere near you. So this is not Mackenzie's voice. This is, you know, the audio and Mackenzie is giggling and she's listening. Put a finger down if you thought about choking someone next to you just because you can and they won't be expecting it. She's like giggling, puts a finger down. Put a finger down if you put ranch on your pizza. She does not put a finger down. Put a finger down if you're a Leo, Sagittarius, Scorpio, or Cancer, you're automatically a psycho. She puts

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  a finger down. She's got three left. Put a finger down if when your parents are yelling at you, you stare them directly in their eye for a long period of time just to intimidate them. She puts a finger down. Put a finger down if you go to sleep with socks on. She still has two fingers. Put a finger down if someone close to you is crying and the only thing that you can think of is trying not to laugh because it's a defense mechanism. She puts another finger down. Put a finger down if you like to chew ice. She puts a fifth finger down and she starts back up on her next hand. Put a finger down if you think you can kill someone and get away with it. She does not put a finger down. Put a finger down if you predict conversations with someone else on your own, just so you know what to say when the time comes. She puts a finger down. Put a finger down if when you get angry

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  enough, you start crying, but it's not tears of joy. She puts another finger down. Six days before the crash, Mackenzie sends a DM to Trisha Paytas on her Instagram account. Trish, I want to meet you, which goes unanswered. She also reaches out to the controversial influencer Anna Paul. Anna, come smoke with me. She also does not get a response. And then she reaches out to Tana Mojo and DMs her, Tana, my boyfriend cheated on me, spoke a, smoke a blenny with me, please. So she's just like doing a lot on Instagram. She's reaching out to fricking Vogue. She's like reaching out to you for, yeah, okay, we're gonna get there. And she's reaching out to influencers trying to get high with them.

• 28:20Speaker 00

  She even posts on TikTok with the audio, "I'm not even cool. I'm just one of those girls that can do a lot of drugs and not die." I will note that it's very interesting that her parents were supposedly following her on social media, where she's posting herself smoking and driving and doing all of these things. And she's seventeen, but much, much more to come about the parents Natalie and Steve in a later episode. Now, the most controversial of Mackenzie's TikTok, though, is from Halloween. She's with three of her friends and they're all in the same costume, well, different variations of it. But Mackenzie is dressed in an all-black look. She's got these black furry boots, black ripped leggings, this super, super tight corset, and this ribbed black top where it looks like someone just put it through a paper shredder.

• 29:04Speaker 00

  And you can see part of her chest that in her TikTok post, she keeps covering up with an emoji. And her makeup, since it's Halloween, she has painted her face white with these big black circles around her eyes and a red, almost Joker-like smile. It's supposedly inspired by Playboy Carti and the look that he would sometimes perform with. It was like during a very specific era of his career, which some people called it the clown era, but it's more of this vampy, corpse, theatrical, comic book villain-inspired look. It, it did look really cool when he would perform on stage with that look, but, but this Halloween post becomes one of Mackenzie's most controversial social media posts, more than her posting herself driving while smoking weed. Because everyone says that she looks like she dressed up as a corpse.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  Mackenzie's friends are saying, "No, that's not true. We were dressed up as Playboy Carti." But also, what about it? Like, what if she dressed up as a corpse? It's Halloween. Get a grip. But it's not the holiday and it's not the costume. It is the timing of this Halloween. People are upset because this was posted and this was done Halloween of 2022, just three months after Mackenzie was in a fatal car crash where she was the driver that killed her boyfriend Dom and their friend Davion.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  She was out and about?

• 30:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, this is not even the first time she's out and about post-crash. It's called post-traumatic amnesia, or basically a black hole of time where the brain simply fails to record anything from a window of time, typically the time of injury. People have reported that in their own car crashes, they have a gaping hole in their memory. They remember getting in the car, pulling onto the road. They even remember what song was playing, and then they don't remember anything. They remember nothing. They don't remember the moment of impact. In fact, some people don't even remember talking to the paramedics at the crash site. They know that they were answering questions, but they don't recall a single second of it. They just recall waking up in the hospital. That is what Mackenzie and her mom state is happening to Mackenzie. Natalie says about her daughter Mackenzie,

• 31:04Speaker 00

  she remembers waking up, she remembers leaving the house, then she remembers turning on the street and that's it. She was trying to remember, like she's trying, and I'm like, "Mackenzie, you can't. It's just not there." In a voice memo to a friend, Mackenzie said, "I'm just, I'm not doing okay. Like, it doesn't feel real. I keep saying this, but it doesn't feel real. Like, I don't know what the fuck happened. Thank you for being there for me. It just means a lot. Like, I don't remember anything." Like, that is, this is just the worst. It is understandable to some degree, but it's difficult when she's the driver of the car and she's the only one that's alive. She's the only one with answers as to what happened in that car, and she says she doesn't remember. Davion's dad says, "I can see how someone could have some amnesia from the, the impact of the crash,

• 31:48Speaker 00

  but the timing just seemed really perfect. I don't understand how your amnesia just lasted the exact right amount of time to not be able to help the police with their investigation." Mackenzie says, "It was 5:00 in the morning. They were all at their friend's house." So, it was like a bunch of friends gathered, and they decided to head home. So, she's like, "We decided to head home back to Dom's." So, it's her, Dom, and Davion in the car, and she says, "And I remember turning on the street, and then I'm waking up in the hospital the next day, and I don't, I mean, my whole life is shattered." The whole morning is just like nothing. I mean, it sounds crazy, like, but I, like, I can't, I'm not gonna just lie just because people wanna hear a story. I have no recollection of that morning.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  And that's that. I mean, still to this day, four years later, Mackenzie states she still does not remember what happened in that car. She does not remember how she crashed straight into the brick building, how her foot was all the way on the gas pedal, never once touching the brake pedal. And ultimately, she doesn't remember a single thing about crashing the car, killing Dominic and Davion. She says she still does not remember. The prosecutor says, at that point, when they left their friend's house, I mean, we just have this black hole in the timeline. The officer knocks on the door to hospital room seven one five. Mackenzie's mom Natalie invites the officer in. There's a few other people in the hospital room, so there's Mackenzie in her casts. She's got casts on her legs, on her arms, she's in a neck brace.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  She's laying on the hospital bed. Mackenzie's mom Natalie is there, Mackenzie's dad Steve is there, and two female friends of Mackenzie are there.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  This is like the second day?

• 33:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. And they quickly leave, so now there's just a detective that walked in. Besides, they're visiting, I don't think they want to stick around for this. The officer starts filling out a property release form, and then that's when the doctor walks in. So the officer is like writing all of this in his report. He's like, I walked in, I saw all these people, and then I was filling out a property release form because I came here to give the things that were found on Mackenzie's person in the crash. Her purse, cash, like, these are things that he has to give back. Not the drugs, because there were drugs found, but he's not going to give those back. So he's filling out this property release form. And in the notes, he notes some very interesting exchanges. So first of all, Mackenzie's doctor walks in, and Mackenzie refuses to take a shot that's going to help her with her pain. Which, fine, right?

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Second, Mackenzie gets into a full-blown argument with her dad, where she kicks him out of the room. She kicks her dad out of the hospital room after cussing him out. And the officer is like noting this in his report.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  She's doing all that in front of the officer?

• 34:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. And this is when the detective is like, you know what? I'm just gonna wait for the doctor to leave. I'm gonna be in the hallway, filling out the rest of these forms. And while he's out in the hallway, he starts having a conversation with Mackenzie's parents, Natalie and Steve. And he's just explaining the whole process of like, yes, we're gonna, you know, give you back this Michael Kors backpack. And there's some cash that we found, as well as clothes in the car that were recovered from the crash scene. We're gonna give those back. And then he writes in his report, they hear a scream from inside the hospital room, while the officer is talking to Mackenzie's parents out in the hallway. Quote, "Mackenzie started yelling, telling us to not talk without her being present."

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Mackenzie is telling the parents not to talk?

• 34:59Speaker 00

  And the police, the officer, the detective.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Without her being present?

• 35:03Speaker 00

  She's like, why are you guys talking? I mean, I don't know exactly the words, but he writes in the report, she started yelling, telling us not to talk without her being present.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  That's fucking crazy.

• 35:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Wh- what?

• 35:16Speaker 00

  So the three, the officer, Natalie and Steve Sherrillah, they shuffle back into the hospital room. And the officer starts detailing the search warrant and the basic nature of the entire investigation. Once he walks back into the hospital room, he is audio recording. And he lets the Sherrillahs know. And he explains, you know, the search warrant lists the nature of the crime we're investigating as an aggravated vehicular homicide times two, because two people were killed in the car crash. It does not mean, you know, we're not charging you with aggravated vehicular homicide. And the officer is trying to explain that everything's really now in the hands of the county. It is the county that decides whether or not there's going to be any charges that are pressed. He says, it's not the families. So it's not gonna be up to Dom and Davion's families. The state chooses whether or not they want to charge.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Is this the first time they found out what type of charges they could be facing, or?

• 36:06Speaker 00

  Um, I think they kind of knew, but I, they are shocked by the information that Dom and Davion's family have no say.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Because they seem disgruntled and like Natalie, the mom is like, why? And she's basically asking like, well, what if the families don't want to press charges? And the officer is like, it's not up to the families because like, it's not up to them. This is not a civil case. Like they, they can't seem to understand that if the two families of the deceased decide not to press charges, why on earth would the county press charges? And they're confused by it, which is crazy because the officer is like, I mean, it's, it's a crime. Like, what do you mean? This is not civil court. Like I'm, I'm a detective. And so Mackenzie asks the officer at this point, can I say something to her? And she's referencing saying something to her mom. So the officer is like, sure, yeah.

• 36:56Speaker 00

  Mackenzie turns to her mom and starts speaking rapidly in a language that the officer cannot identify. He can't even tell you, like, he can't even tell you, oh, she turned to her mom and was speaking in, I think, Korean. I think Spanish, I think Portuguese. He's never heard this cadence before. Like, he can't even figure out, like, does it sound Eastern European? Does it sound East Asian, like South Asian? Like, he can't even pinpoint where geographically this type of cadence and dialect sounds like it's coming from. And Mackenzie is rapid fire, talking to her mom. Clearly Natalie is understanding everything. She ends the conversation with Mackenzie in English saying, you can. And that's when Mackenzie grunts.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  Can you, can you just take my whole license away for 10 years or something like that?

• 37:45Speaker 01

  To the police?

• 37:46Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 37:48Speaker 00

  In my opinion, the officer sounds kind of flabbergasted and he just hits her with a, do you have a lawyer? Talk to your lawyer. But once the detective leaves, he's so intrigued by this whole incident of this language that he cannot decipher. He reaches out to the chair of the Department of World Languages at a local university. And they tell him, I let two other language instructors listen and we were all on the same page. We all don't think what we're hearing here is a natural spoken language. I thought of your suggestion about it being Pig Latin or something like that. And I think you're right. Given the speed at which it's spoken, it is unlikely to be natural. So she's saying it doesn't sound like a foreign language. The cadence and the phonetics of speaker one, Mackenzie, are all clearly American English.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:35Speaker 00

  So it's not like they just know some languages and they're like, oh, it's not the ones we know. They study like the cadence and tones of languages and they're like it's the cadence is American English.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:46Speaker 00

  So like it.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Did you hear?

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. I knew Pig Latin in high school. It does sound like Pig Latin.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Pig Latin is the one that you move some.

• 38:57Speaker 00

  So you move the first letter to the back and then you add A at the end. So instead of Stephanie, it would be like Tiffany say.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 39:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  But there's. Can you say that in like, like a natural way? Like, can you actually talk to people in that?

• 39:12Speaker 00

  When I was really young, I remember Pig Latin was like a huge thing and I could not speak anywhere near as quickly as Mackenzie does in this audio file, but you can kind of.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 39:28Speaker 00

  You can.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  So was it Pig Latin?

• 39:30Speaker 00

  It is not, but it is um a different, like there's so many variations of these types of later, it is identified by Mackenzie's dad, Steve, to be Carney Talk. It's kind of like Pig Latin, but it was actually um used heavily by people who worked carnivals. That's why it's called Carney Talk. I guess they wanted a different way to speak to each other, just so that they can communicate without, I guess, communicating in front of like, you know. I don't know, right? Maybe it's like, yeah, but it's like widely known to be spoken amongst people originally who would run carnivals. That's why I guess it's called Carney Talk.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  That's interesting. So. Okay, now was it decoded or?

• 40:14Speaker 00

  Yes, now this decoding of the message has been disputed, obviously. The prosecutors have decoded it and they believe what was said in that hospital room just days after the crash. Steve Shirilla is like, that's not what my daughter said. You, you decide. Mackenzie is stating she doesn't remember a single important detail of this car accident, right? But then she turns to her mom and the prosecutor believes she said, can we just tell them I had a seizure?

• 40:42Speaker 01

  That that was it?

• 40:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like it was like, can we just tell them I had a seizure or something like that? Like, can we just tell them?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  The three people in that car, the early morning of July thirty first, twenty twenty two, where, like I said, Mackenzie is in the driver's seat, her boyfriend Dom is in the front passenger seat, and their friend Davion is in the backseat. A lot of people believe that Mackenzie and her boyfriend Dom got into a fight in the car, which leads Mackenzie to freak out, going over ninety miles per hour and slamming into a brick building, with Davion's life, by netizens' speculations, not being considered by Mackenzie. They think that Mackenzie is the type of person to just, you know, someone in the back is not pertinent to her or her relationship, and the fight is the most important thing that could be happening in the car. Now, this is obviously a netizen theory.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  It is one of the more widely accepted versions of events of what netizens think occurred in the car that night, which is why there's gonna be a lot of time spent throughout the episode on Mackenzie and Dom's relationship. It is not because Davion's life was not important, or that we don't wanna spend time talking about Davion. It's because most people believe that whatever happened in the car could have to do with what Mackenzie felt about Dom. It was reported that Mackenzie has known Davion since they were both in middle school, since they were in the same class. It's unclear if this is true, or if they ever really even spoke at all, but according to one of their friends, Davion and Dom started hitting it off recently. Dom has a recording studio in his house, and Davion's dream was to be a rapper, so it just kind of made sense that they would become friendly.

• 42:17Speaker 00

  They're not necessarily best friends, they're not necessarily that close. They actually have very different friend groups and interests, but recently they started hanging out and connecting over music, and we're gonna go in depth because Davion is actually staying at Dom's house when all of this is happening. So Davion's family had gone on vacation. Davion had just started a new job, so he can't just take two weeks off to go on family vacation. So he's like, I'm gonna stay in town, but his parents were a little concerned about him staying alone. So he was like, okay, I'm just gonna crash at my friend Dom's place.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  That's crazy. How long have they been staying together?

• 42:52Speaker 00

  It doesn't seem that long, but it seems like they were friends for, you know, months ahead of time. So it's not like, oh, they just met and he's staying with Dom. But it's not like, oh, Dom and Davion were best friends since middle school and they all hung out and these are, you know, it's like more of a newer friendship that's been developing. So we're gonna go in depth about what Davion's family have said, as well as the foundation that they've set up for him in a later episode. But just keep in mind, it's, a lot of the focus will be on Mackenzie and Dom throughout some of these episodes. Not because Davion's life is less important than anyone else's. His family and friends have spoken extensively about what he meant to them, how he impacted their lives and what it means for them now that he's been taken away from them, which we're gonna cover in a later episode.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  So with that being said, we're just gonna get into the relationship. Mackenzie and Dom have been dating for years before the crash. At this point in time, Dom is twenty, Mackenzie is about to turn eighteen. The crash actually happens like a few days before her eighteenth birthday. They have been dating for years. They were both minors, they both met in high school. But now that Dom has graduated, he's living in his own house. So he lives alone. He does live right next door to his mom. So he lives alone, but he's right next door to his mom and he sees his mom a lot. His mom cooks dinner, he comes over for dinner. It's not like completely independent of a lifestyle, but also, he's twenty. So he's living the lifestyle that I think a lot of twenty-year-old guys probably live. But Mackenzie, she's still in high school, so it is alarming that she's posting a lot of the things that she's posting.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  And at some point, it's believed that Mackenzie had fully moved into Dom's house and was living with him at seventeen years old. And her parents are seeing these things, they're seeing what's being posted and they're completely fine with it. For example, the two of them have a-

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Wait, the parents are seeing like the smoking, driving?

• 44:36Speaker 00

  I would think so because they follow her on Instagram.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Whoa, that's crazy, okay.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  They have a stripper pole in the house that they will post videos. Dom in his house, which again, I think this is very normal for a twenty year old guy. I don't think it's normal for a seventeen year old girl to be allowed to live in that house regardless of if it's her boyfriend and that is the fault of the shirlas. But she'll post videos of people dancing on the stripper poles. They are fully clothed. And people will just like throw bills in the air. So it does seem like high school fun. It doesn't seem nefarious or anything, but it is just a very specific type of lifestyle that I would imagine most parents would not want their seventeen year old daughter to be engaged in at this point being seventeen years old. They would host parties at Dom's house because he had his own house. And there is an incident that has been coming up on social media.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  Before the crash, the police had already gone out to the house earlier that year in twenty twenty two because at one of these parties, a girl falls down the stairs. And the police describe it as she almost died. We're gonna call her Kay, but side note, Davion was also there and it's been reported that Davion was actually one of the only people that helped her before the medics came. Now, a lot of people apparently just like ran off when she fell because there were clearly questionable activities going on in the house, potentially underage drinking, smoking weed. I think they were very concerned about not getting in trouble versus, you know, worrying about their friend's life. The girl that fell, Kay, ends up in a medically induced coma for weeks. Like she, she genuinely almost died. It was not a

• 46:08Speaker 00

  hyperbolic way of speaking. It's not the police being like, she almost died. She's a teenager. No, she was, she almost died.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  What, what, what happened? Like what, what?

• 46:18Speaker 00

  Nobody knows. So obviously Kay's parents don't believe the simple explanation of, oh, she just fell. Understandably so. Like I would want very thorough answers to it. It just doesn't make sense to them. In the FOIA file, there are Snapchat messages between Mackenzie and her friends talking about this fall and trying to piece together all of them. You don't really get a thorough story of what even happened, but you get that there were suspicions. One person who attended the party audio messages Mackenzie. Legit, what I was saying to people. So it seems like if I had to get context clues, and this is just me guessing out of my butt, it seems like Mackenzie. Is confronting this girl of like, are you going around telling people that she didn't fall? Are you going around telling people that someone pushed her?

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Because she's explaining, right? This girl is like explaining to Kenzie, like, this is what I said. Legit, what I was saying to people, because they were even saying that Kay was not that drunk, like, how could have this happened? She wasn't even that fucked up, because she wasn't. And I said, I don't know, no alcohol was in her system. A lot of the police and her parents and a lot of the people are thinking that she got pushed. There was foul play in it. And I said, if there was a possibility that there were girls there and they were drunk. I said, I never thought that they distinctively pushed her. I said, if anything were to have happened, it would have been maybe. They were play fighting with each other and they got too rowdy and drunk, because that's how fucking girls get when they're fucking drunk. And I did, I did see hella girls by the stairs and by the fucking door.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  And I had explained to people, if it was anything like that, it would have been they missed their step and accidentally pushed Kay on purpose. And it wasn't like-

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Accidentally pushed her on purpose?

• 47:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it wasn't a full-on push, accidentally hit her while she was about to go down the stairs. She explains that Kay had this like big bag of clothes she was carrying and she states that she told people that she theorized. That weighed her down and that's what made her tumble down the stairs. I never said that people were pushing her and had pushed her. That's what the police think and that's why I'm trying to get a picture of the stairs. So I can literally tell them it wasn't like that. I don't know. My mom was like, they don't think that she just did all that just from falling down the stairs. Like she has. Basically saying like, my mom doesn't think Kay has all these injuries from just falling down the stairs, right? And I was like telling her, do you really think people would fucking beat up Kay and we would just all fucking cover that shit up?

• 48:39Speaker 00

  I honestly just think that's what they think is happening, so that's why I just need a picture of the stairs. I never said anyone pushed her, nothing could have pointed to her falling down the stairs, except her missing a step. Or someone accidentally falling onto her, accidentally tripping over her, accidentally catching her step, like, that's all I said.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  But she literally said it could have been someone who pushed her, though.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  Accidentally pushed her on purpose, yeah, yeah. In one audio message, Mackenzie is ranting to another friend and I don't know if it's about this person, right? I'm just, again, piecing together these like random Snapchat data and trying to figure out what the hell is happening. And like, none of these are like really even in chronological order.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  But she says, this is Mackenzie, tell me why I just got off the phone with fucking Sammy and supposedly Emily did not even try to fucking catch her. Emily ran away and threw up. That's what Sammy is saying and Sammy was the one down there. So Emily is a major fucking problem right now. It's just weird. Like if she genuinely fell down the stairs without any sort of foul play involved. I I just, I mean, I, maybe this is how high schoolers act and they like to start drama, but I, this is such a serious thing. I don't think. It's just very odd. Mackenzie eventually makes like an Instagram story and I don't know what she's trying to do. If she's trying to clear the air, make the situation worse.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  I think more so the latter, but she says, just a PSA, if any of you think that that party situation is my fault. You can go fuck yourself and leave my story right now. Yeah, because we let all you underage little fucks into our beautiful home. Just to do illegal things and you want to blame us. Aren't you all the ones that ran out of the house and left and shook her while we called the police and got her there? Yeah, please go fuck yourself and kill yourself bitch. Interestingly, later Dom's mom, so Mackenzie's boyfriend's mom, who lives right next door, says about the situation. She supposedly pushed her down the steps in reference to Mackenzie. Dom's mom describes the situation later to the officers saying, so the big story was.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry. Was this talked about before the crash or after the?

• 50:50Speaker 00

  After the crash. So it was, you know, during the fall. I don't think Dom's mom got involved because Dom is twenty. You know, so this, and I don't know like how it escalated. There's no reference to Dom's mom getting involved after the crash to report any of this. I don't think she really knew because. I mean, she's Dom's mom. No one's going to her telling her, oh, what's been happening with the kids recently. So I think what happened was after the crash, it seemed that Dom's mom did report to the police. A lot of Dom's friends were coming to her and telling her information about Mackenzie. Because they feel weird about the crash. So they're like, because your son has got like, that was our friend. We want to help. Here's this weird information we've been knowing, but like, we would have never told you that before the crash because like, we just thought it was like relationship drama.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  Or like weird stuff and we don't have proof. And so she explains to the officers.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, when was the fall?

• 51:40Speaker 00

  Early twenty twenty two, like January.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  And the crash happened.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  July thirty first, twenty twenty two. Six months.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Seven.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  Seven.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:48Speaker 00

  Got it. She says, so the big story was this girl fell down the steps. How did she fall? You know, she had no alcohol in her system. We we have a guard rail. There's a handrail. And then as time went on, Kenzie was the one that told me personally, she said, these girls were really out to get her because they were accusing her of pushing this girl down the steps. And she's saying at that time in January, I said, well, what, why in the world would you ever push that girl? And she just said, I wouldn't push that girl down the steps. So she's like, I just didn't think nothing of it at the time, but after the fact, I'm sitting here thinking and I had asked another friend of Dom's when he called me and he said, did you hear that, you know, she pushed the girl down the steps?

• 52:30Speaker 00

  So Dom's friend also believed she pushed her down the steps. And again, I know that he might be a little crazy, Dom's friend or whatever, but he's the one who said that too. So she's like, I don't know. She's just telling the police like, this is what I heard. And like, Mackenzie also told me people were accusing her at the time of pushing the girl down the stairs. And then now I'm talking to one of Dom's friends who also thinks that she pushed her down the stairs. It's just weird.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  How is the friend Kay?

• 52:57Speaker 00

  I think she's okay.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Does she, did she ever say what happened?

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Now, I do think that is a pretty crazy accusation to make that Mackenzie would push another girl down the steps to the point of her almost dying. I think that it would really take a very specific personality for people to think that she's capable of such a thing, because you can't just walk around and think, oh, anyone is capable of killing somebody and pushing them down the stairs to the point of like a medically induced coma. Like you would have to be a very specific type of personality where people can look at you and think, I could see you doing that.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's a very serious allegation, right?

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• 56:59Speaker 00

  Mackenzie seems to have gone through a lot of friend groups in high school, and the ones that she is no longer friends with, naturally, they don't have a lot of great things to say about her. A former friend of Mackenzie says, "I know she smokes weed." I mean, that's literally her personality trait. That's it. That's about it, just smoking weed. She will post TikToks responding to creators, so she'll like duet TikToks, Mackenzie will. And it'll say things like, "How do you smoke but you can't roll?" Meaning like you can't roll a blunt joint. And it's the song, like, "You are such a loser." Right? And she'll duet it and show Dom as like, "Oh, well, I don't know how to roll because my boyfriend does it for me." That's the vibe.

• 57:40Speaker 00

  But I guess she gets inspired because she also uses a sound to do her own TikTok about weed. She is lip syncing the words "you are such a loser", and the caption is, "When girls only hang out with me because they know I have weed." She really does love smoking weed. On her Notes app on her phone, police found a birthday wish list, and amongst those was "weed socks." So I guess like the socks with the little marijuana leaves on there. Just not really fashion forward, but okay. Her TikTok handles were Baby Kush, Baby Kushy. Weed references.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Kushy means weed?

• 58:13Speaker 00

  I think Kush.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. She has another video where she's smiling and the caption reads, when everybody knows me not from popularity, but from my horrible reputation. So like she, she seems to get off on knowing that Strongsville kind of hates her. She has another TikTok where she's in a school library with other people and the words on the screen just read, most hated bitches of Strongsville. She seems proud. Now, side note, Strongsville is the suburbs outside of Cleveland, Ohio, which it seems like um, it's reminiscent of a lot of suburban areas in America. Cookie cutter housing developments, chain restaurants, massive parking lots to accommodate every single fucking shopping plaza. The mall is probably the hangout spot. I, I grew up in the suburbs. I hated it. So I can see why Mackenzie doesn't fit in and maybe she doesn't like it.

• 58:58Speaker 00

  She has a distinct style and a stronger personality, if you want to call it that. But she does protest about how much she hates Strongsville. She'll make TikToks like, I seriously can't do, I can't do school anymore. It's so stupid and it makes me feel so dumb. And bitch, I want to go to New York or Florida. I just want to go somewhere with good food and good pics.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  To take pictures?

• 59:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I think it's a very interesting way to like figure out the next city you're gonna live in, like good food and good pics. But she herself also stirs shit up all the time. She's the type to send audio notes like this. I don't even know who she sent it to, but she sends an audio note and you need to get a facial every month. Your skin looking mad crusty and you have a pizza face, like literally you're ugly as fuck. Get the fuck out of my comments, bitch.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Damn. So like a friend?

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. One person says, one of my friends said that they were in a group chat with her and before school she would call the group chat over and over and over and over and over again. So much so that you couldn't even open the group chat because like you're just getting calls like spammed. And it was because she didn't know what she wanted to wear to school. So she's just like spam calling everybody. She's also just like a very confusing person. She likes to DM friends, things like every woman's body is beautiful. Like I swear, every friend has seen a different version of Mackenzie and I can see that through her DMs and text messages. To some friends, she presents herself as like this girl's girl who loves people and she just gets hated on on TikTok because, you know, haters, right?

• 1:00:29Speaker 00

  And then to other people, she's like, you have a fucking pizza face. It's just shocking. Okay, so she's DMing a friend, every woman's body is beautiful. Every woman is a fucking goddess. Men need to learn. Then in other DMs, she's calling people fat bitches. In one text exchange, she tells Dom, the bitch in the Jeep was about to try to not let me go and I almost got in a car accident in front of her. Dom responds, what a bitch. Mackenzie responds, I know she's fat and I gave her a dirty ass look and I'm driving slow as fuck in front of her. In another series of DMs, she's complaining about how she's stressed out at the prospect of not winning homecoming court best dress perlative, okay? She rants, bro, if I don't win, I'm a freak.

• 1:01:13Speaker 00

  I don't think she wins because she gets a DM by the real winner's sister. And it seems like they all have some beef, okay? Cause the little sister is like, you didn't win because your outfits are ugly. Oh, and I do think that this was a warranted thing because Mackenzie was going around posting um the girl who actually won. And she's wearing like a flannel shirt and she's writing really mean things like, I can't believe I lost to a bitch in a flannel. Like it's, it was just mean. So I think the younger sister was warranted to, you know, you're young, you're like, fuck you, I'm gonna stand up for my sister. Mackenzie responds, I'm so sorry, you're so insecure. I mean, if I was overweight, I would probably make fun of pretty skinny girls too.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  I mean, maybe you heard how crazy I am. Have your big sissy text me if she has a problem. The younger sister responds, "You're anorexic bitch. Shopping in the child's section ain't cute." Mackenzie responds, "Maybe talk shit if you're gonna do something about it. We can have this convo in person if you want." To which she responds, "I can snap your 5'2", 70-pound ass like a twig." Mackenzie responds, "Is that a threat? Maybe if you spent all the time eating, you would be happy on the inside. Now stop biting your older sister's problem meatloaf. Have a nice day." To which the younger sister responds, "Your ass is flat. Get well soon. Hope you end up in a hospital because your twig body got sucked away and the wind let me know. I could blow air on you and you would fly away. You're probably one of the ugliest people I've ever seen."

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  Mackenzie responds, "I don't care. I'm not insecure." "Being ugly is an illness. Get well soon." Which, I mean, clearly they had problems with each other before this because what the hell is going on, but...

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  That's crazy. You had every single DM from her?

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. From a time period. It was 2,000 pages of DMs. And it was just like a fucking trip the whole time. Yeah. And speaking of best dress, a lot of netizens are just confused about the school's enforcement of their dress codes, if they even have one. It just doesn't make any sense. One of her favorite looks to show up to school, high school, is she'll wear like tracksuits, Juicy Couture tracksuits. Not the new ones, because she obviously hates those, as per her own TikTok, but the old ones. And she will have her tracksuit low-waisted, and then she'll be wearing like a string thong, and then pull up the strings all the way up the sides,

• 1:03:32Speaker 00

  effectively giving herself a wedgie. I mean, I get it. It's a stylistic choice, but you're in high school. You're in high school. You're wearing it to school.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  How do you know this?

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  Because she posts pictures at school of herself in the bathroom mirror. She'll post TikToks. She'll do like, "What I wore on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday," and all of them, I'm like, "This is crazy."

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  What's the dress code, right?

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, what's the dress code? There is an incident where the school report, because we got multiple disciplinary reports from Mackenzie's school, and the school report reads, "After being seen by a teacher in the bathroom taking selfies, Mackenzie was asked to zip up her hoodie," probably because of dress code, "and go to class," to which she responded by calling the teacher a- By calling the teacher a fucking bitch and a dumb bitch. So I guess there is a dress code, it just doesn't apply to Mackenzie. Neither does not being on your phone, another school report reads. During class, Mackenzie was seen playing a game on her phone. When the teacher asked her to get off her phone, Mackenzie told her she was playing a game with her mother. The teacher repeated herself a second time and Mackenzie failed to comply.

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  When the teacher told her to go to the administration office, Mackenzie went to the restroom and locked herself in the stall. It took several teachers to address the matter with her. In another incident, another teacher writes about Mackenzie. Many of the students and a couple of the teachers commented on her behavior and the need for administration to take action. I have been asking for help with her all year. I would like her removed from my room as I am no longer comfortable with being verbally attacked in front of students and being videotaped while it's happening.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  The teacher?

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:05:04Speaker 00

  Some people describe Mackenzie as a wannabe Maddie from Euphoria, the TV show. There's one Instagram DM where they tell her, you're literally Maddie I R L. I aspire to have your energy one day. Which she, Mackenzie takes this to heart. She's like, I'm Maddie I R L? Because she DMs Euphoria on Instagram and says, cast me, I'm that girl. She sends them a video, cast me. Like she says, so she's like, cast me, I'm that girl, sends a video, cast me. Then she starts just pro, like spamming photos at this point and says, season three, question mark? And because I'm nosy, I just wanted to do a breakdown. She sends a video and then she proceeds to send seventeen photos.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  What kind of photos, just like, like Insta pics?

• 1:05:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, where she looks like Maddie from Euphoria or thinks she looks like.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  Who is Maddie? Just uh? Just?

• 1:05:59Speaker 00

  Who is Maddie? I mean, she's pretty iconic, yeah, but I don't think Mackenzie is Maddie I R L, right? But I do feel for whatever intern was handling Euphoria socials, they deserve a week off because what the fuck is that? She also is just messaging photos of herself to Vogue runway, to Vogue, to Balenciaga. She's just a very confusing individual. She says she doesn't like to body shame, but then she will go ahead and do that if she doesn't like someone. She says she hates racism and will call people out publicly for being racist, which is a good thing. But she herself will use the N word in text messages and also extensively make fun of Asian people. I just guess.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 1:06:40Speaker 00

  More on that later, but like she's got some crazy beef with TikTok and she's like, it's because it's fucking run by them damn Asians. This is when it was ByteDance and not Oracle.

• 1:06:52Speaker 00

  I guess confusing is just not the correct word. It's like hypocritical, right? For example, according to one school report, Mackenzie allegedly said to another student, if I was a slave owner, I would have killed. And then redact, insert student name. Who I'm assuming is black, based off of this allegation. Mackenzie denies ever saying that, but at least three witnesses claimed that they heard her say that. And on the topic of racism, another student reported that Mackenzie airdropped them. So like on their phone, they get an airdrop. And it's a fucking meme of SpongeBob saying, I spy N-word with a R. Like I spy a N-word with a R. This is a black student. When asked about it, Mackenzie said, oh my gosh, no, I was airdropped the meme.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Well, she's dropping it to.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  A black student.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  And so then she's like, oh my God, no, I never airdropped it. Like, that's crazy. I was airdropped that picture.

• 1:07:49Speaker 00

  But the, it just didn't seem to add up, according to the school report. The meme was reportedly seen on the phone and directly attributed to Mackenzie. There are disciplinary reports from back in 2018 where Mackenzie got into a fight with another girl while she was walking to the buses. She gets into a fistfight. Then another report in 2018 filed by the parent of another girl. Where they tell the police that they're scared that Mackenzie is gonna beat up their child. The report reads, I spoke to my child who stated that while she was in third period of class. Mackenzie Shirilla called her a bitch and threatened to beat her up. She stated this was all over. My daughter not giving Mackenzie a Dorito chip. She also stated that Mackenzie posted on Instagram last year, a picture of her showing her forehead.

• 1:08:31Speaker 00

  The caption that she had was a big forehead. So just like bullying, you know? And, you know. Mackenzie allegedly tried to repost that picture today. So when authorities talked to Mackenzie about it, of course, she's like, well, no, she's the one that threatened to beat me up when I asked for a Dorito chip, which like, doesn't even really make sense because it's like, hey, can I have a Dorito chip? I'm gonna beat you up. Like, I don't, you would just say, no, you're weird.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:57Speaker 00

  She also states that the picture on Instagram, someone took her phone and posted it. Of course, she would never do that because she's a girl's girl. It's hard to say that Mackenzie was ever universally well-liked, if liked by many at all. She says online that she doesn't like anything designer, but in 2019, there's a report of her stealing a pair of earrings from Kohl's. She was ultimately not prosecuted because the earrings were not recovered and their value was less than $20. And also, another thing about really liking designers, she doesn't really like designers. She likes DH Gate, which nothing's wrong with dupes, but she just like is so up in arms and has this superiority complex because she has a Christian Dior bag. But I can literally

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  see her in her DMs on Instagram, sending people DH Gate links to where she gets her stuff. So she's like, I hate brokeys, but then it's like, you can't really say that when you're, I only wear designer, I hate brokeys, but your bag is DH Gate. And it, nothing is wrong with a DH Gate bag, but it's also like, kind of weird.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, hypocrite.

• 1:09:56Speaker 00

  Yes. A lot of things are hypocritical. She will smoke weed until she's apparently coughing up black stuff because she's essentially fast-tracking her lungs to an early demise. But she's also super, super anal about sticking to an organic, non-GMO gluten-free diet.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  And why is she, is there a medical reason? She says, quote, in a DM to someone, it helps my spiritual journey.

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  She says, to be honest, I love fruit. So that's probably my favorite meal, just any fruit. She gets upset when her friends eat her popcorn because she only likes natural, all-organic popcorn. But also, some people, you know, they would call her baby Kush because she literally smoked so much weed and posts about it all over social media. And then that was her TikTok handle. So what's going on? She also rants about restaurants. You think their seafood is freshly caught? Like, none of it was. I don't want no farm fish. That's nasty as fuck. In another DM message, someone sends her a link to melatonin gummies, it seems like, to help her sleep. And Mackenzie responds, "Is it natural?" They respond, "Yes, babes. Our brains produce it naturally." This should be a case study that organic food consumption does not make one brighter than the rest.

• 1:11:07Speaker 00

  Let's just say, if Mackenzie is going to have an anti-fan club, there are going to be people lined up around the block to be the president of that anti-fan club. And probably for good reason. She's just not, really objectively speaking, a great person, in my opinion. Am I telling you this in the context of the crash? Not necessarily, because legally it doesn't work like that. I mean, just because you're kind of a weird brat doesn't mean you're guilty of a crime. However, I do think that this is all contextual information that would be necessary to understand the case in its entirety and what people have been saying and why they've been saying certain things. After extensively researching, I can try to group up the three major groups of people and how they feel about this case.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  The first group of people, they obviously believe that whatever happened that night in the car, they believe it was an accident. Now, this is like the smallest of the people, from what I could see anecdotally, just like surfing on Reddit, but I'm not a friggin' AI data analyst, okay, I don't know. But it just seems like a smaller group of people that believe that it must have been an accident. Because it doesn't make sense, you know? They think that maybe Mackenzie suffered a medical emergency, passed out on the wheel, causing this accident. Or maybe it's like a car malfunction, and even though the police ruled it out, you never know. The larger masses, however, believe it was planned. Now, to what degree is up for debate? So the second group of people believe that Mackenzie planned this crash days in advance,

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  that she was going to crash the car with Dom in it, and Davion just happened to be in the car, and she has no regard for anybody's life but her own a few days before she turned 18. Like, that, people are saying is intentional. She allegedly, they claim scoped out the crash site. Now, there is evidence that she was on that road previously, but people have interpreted that differently. Some people are saying like this was a known cut through. Other people are saying like, no, she was scoping out the crash site. So take it as you will. But they believe that she drove down the same road multiple times beforehand. She planned it to the T because she knew Dom was going to break up with her soon. And Davion just happened to be in the car. Now, the third group of people think-

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  Do they believe Mackenzie is planning to be alive after the crash or?

• 1:13:22Speaker 00

  I think there's subgroups of people. Um, some people think that she might not have had that foresight. Some people think like she probably does because if evidenced by her social media of posting her driving and smoking, there are certain teenagers who live very reckless lifestyles and who believe that they are almost like physically invincible. Other people believe that she just like is such an emotionally volatile evil person that she doesn't even care about her own safety.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  Hmm, interesting.

• 1:13:53Speaker 00

  But there's lots of nuanced debates that we're gonna get into later because her head was found under the dash. So some people are saying, oh, that's like evidence that she could have fainted before the crash. Some people are saying like that could have happened just because the airbags are deploying. Other people are saying she intentionally did it so that she, her face wouldn't get busted from the airbags. And she's a narcissist. So it's all, just everyone has their own opinion about it. Now, the third group of people, they don't necessarily think that Mackenzie has been planning this days in advance. But they do think that there was intent. They do think that this is murder because whatever happened in the car, most likely they believe is an argument that broke out between Mackenzie and Dom.

• 1:14:35Speaker 00

  And still, Mackenzie has no regard for Dom or especially Davion's life because he's just in the backseat. She crashes the car in rage and that is still intentional murder. So these are like the three main groups that I've seen. Obviously, the legal outcome of this case supports the second and third theory that this was intentional murder, which there is intent behind the crash. Which is why a lot of people have taken to trying to analyze Mackenzie and Dom's relationship as it all feels highly relevant. Whatever happened in the car, most people believe it's either because Mackenzie didn't want Dom to break up with her soon, or because she got enraged during a fight in the car and was ready to kill him for it.

• 1:15:17Speaker 00

  One friend says, Dom provided everything for Mackenzie. Mackenzie didn't work a job, Mackenzie would live with Dom, Dom would provide for her, like with everything. Dom would buy her groceries, Dom would buy her clothes, anything, anything that Mackenzie needed, Dom gets it for her. So they had this relationship where it's like they were just ready to move on and marry. So they felt like, you know, it was very serious, but Dom was like the provider. He would even be expected to provide for Mackenzie's weed consumption. She would make literal demands. There are text messages between the two where she says, maybe if you listened for one second, enclosed. By the way, she writes enclosed, like an enclosure, like a cage.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Listen enclosed?

• 1:16:01Speaker 00

  Instead of closed, like she's trying to say enclosed your mouth, but she's saying enclosed, like an enclosure.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, oh, just listen and close your mouth.

• 1:16:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, but she said enclosed. She's like, maybe if you listen for a second, enclosed your fucking mouth, you you would hear what I was saying, but you just don't fucking stop going. I'm so fucking fed up with this shit. I'm giving you one more chance to give me weed, or there's gonna be issues. I'm gonna do a whole separate video, part four of this series. We're just gonna go down pretty much every fight that they've had through text messages because it is a thirty-one thousand page document with over ninety thousand text messages that are highly relevant to this case. So that's gonna be in part four, so like a few episodes later. And that's kind of like a standalone, um, episode.

• 1:16:51Speaker 00

  I mean, it's just literally just going to be analyzing the full text document and the journey of their relationship because there's a lot that ha- happens through twenty twenty through twenty twenty-two. There's text messages, messages, days leading up to the crash and all of the fights that are happening because there's some, a lot of explosive fights and you can really see Mackenzie's. I don't even want to, it almost feels abusive, like you'll see a lot of things in that episode, but that's going to be in part four. And this concludes the first half of part one of this series. I'm going to, in the second half of part one of the series, we're going to go through some of the text messages that show, showcase their relationship dynamic, as well as the crash itself. When the officers get there, who called 911?

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  What Davion's friends have said, all of like the crash data, the black box data, that's going to be in this second half. So stay tuned for that, stay safe, and I will see you in the next one.

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