FedEx Driver Kidnaps 7 Yr Old Girl After Delivering Her Barbies Then SA's Her In Back of The Van

35 year old Tanner Horner, a delivery driver with a route in Paradise, Texas writes a letter to the police, “Detective, my family is in danger…” He goes on to claim that the pants in his backpack, although they do belong to the kidnapped and murdered 7 year old girl that recently went missing in Paradise, Texas, were in fact planted there. But that’s just one version of the events Tanner Horner confessed to the authorities. Detectives know it’s not true but how else can they find out what really happened to Athena in the last hours of her life? The true extent of his crimes will not be fully known until simultaneous audio and visual footage plays at his sentencing trial; his delivery truck had an interior dash cam that was recording the entire time. Will Tanner Horner be given life or be put to death? This is the kidnapping, SA, and murder of 7 year old Athena Strand. Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com

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  Technically, a third of your day, you're supposed to be asleep. Eight hours of sleep, 16 hours awake, and at least a few hours alive. We are all sitting around the table with our coworkers going, "I had the craziest dream last night." And everybody sits there and they try to decode your dream for you in varying degrees. Some of the coworkers are skeptical. Maybe it's time to lay off on the melatonin gummies. Others say, "Maybe it's a sign. Maybe you should go through his phone, because you never know." Others say, "It's just a dream. It's your anxiety getting worked up and rehearsing all of these hypothetical situations. It's just a rehearsal. It's no big deal." All the way down to the, "What about the eggs in the dream? You said you had eggs in your dream? What happened to the eggs?"

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  because that means you're investing in growth and something good is going to happen. All of that sounds very positive, or at least something that you can work on. And there's lots of symbolisms and nightmares. Like if you dream of a haunted house, each part of the haunted house apparently means something. If you're stuck in a haunted house basement, that means you have unprocessed, repressed trauma that you need to get through. You're stuck in the attic, you have intellectual, spiritual beliefs that you have been neglecting. Maybe a locked room, something is ready to emerge, but your ego is blocking it. There's all these scary things that we can decode. And a lot of people, they have dreams of where they're getting killed, or where they're running away from a killer. But what happens if you're dreaming and you're the one doing the killing?

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  Sometimes the scary part is not the dream itself, but what happens when you wake up? Thirty-five-year-old Tanner Horner claims he's always had these weird dreams. Sometimes he'll wake up and he knows he's fallen asleep in his bed, but when he wakes up, he's just roaming around in his grandma's backyard. He has no clue how he got to his grandma's backyard, but he's just roaming. It's like he blacks out, wakes up, and he kind of recalls how he gets to the backyard, but not really because it also kind of feels like a dream. He doesn't know if it's a dream, he doesn't know if it's real life. He says, "Sometimes I recall in weird ways. I recall stuff in dreams. I recall stuff like just random flashbacks through the next day. It's almost like a PTSD kind of thing." But nothing compares to the recent nightmare that he's had.

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  He lives in Paradise, Texas, where everybody has been looking for this missing seven-year-old girl named Athena Strand. And maybe like everyone else in the area, he's been thinking about this case a lot because it just materializes in his nightmare. He has this whole nightmare about being the one that kidnapped and kills this missing seven-year-old girl in the local area.

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  That's crazy.

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  And then he wakes up and he realizes, "Oh, thank God, that's a nightmare." And then he opens up his backpack and he sees inside a pair of small pants. Tiny pants with flowers near the pockets, which is the last thing Athena Strand was seen in before she went missing. He says, "I don't know what the hell happened. I just found them in my backpack and I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? I thought I had a really fucked up nightmare." But no, the pants were inside of his dragon ballsy backpack and now he's panicking. He's going to get arrested, it's only a matter of time, but he doesn't even know what happened aside from this nightmare. But can he even trust the nightmare? That's what he's saying.

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  Or maybe somebody's setting him up. Someone planted the pants there. He writes in a note to the police later, "Detective, my family is in danger." He writes that he's being framed for the murder of Athena Strand. He writes, "Don't tell the media, don't tell my family, they'll tell the media. Don't tell the family of Athena until their lawsuit against FedEx goes through. This is between me and you detective. As long as it stays between us, my family stays safe. I will gladly take the blame as long as my family is safe." That is what Tanner Horner tells the detectives. The detectives know that this is not true, but they listen anyway because they need to figure out what Tanner Horner did to Athena Strand. But it's very hard when not a single thing that comes out of Tanner Horner's mouth

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  is the truth. This is the case of Athena Strand, where Tanner Horner, the FedEx delivery driver, kidnapped and murdered her, is now facing the death penalty in Texas. And he can't even seem to stick to one story of what the hell happened that night.

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  We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support the Strands family GoFundMe, which we will also link in the show notes. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's dedicated team of researchers. We'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available at rottenmangopodcast.com. A few notes before we begin. This episode contains discussions of essay violence and crimes against very young children. Please take care of yourself and don't hesitate to step away if you need. There are also discussions of mental health diagnosis and autism. Please keep in mind that this individual does not represent these communities, nor was it a motive, explanation, cause, or a part of why he committed these atrocities. I want to be very clear, because this is going to,

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  he's gonna go on and blame the fact that he has autism for this case. This opinion or evaluation of his is not only wrong, but it's very harmful and it is not a reliable representation of the community. As of filming this, he is still in the sentencing phase of his trial, but once it's concluded, we're gonna have a pinned comment of his sentencing. Everything included in today's case is publicly available online and specific quotes may have been condensed or shortened for brevity. So with that being said, let's get started. Delivery drivers have favorite houses. Circular driveways, usually great. You don't have to do a reverse, a 10-point turn to get out. These are like the good ones, a favorite even. In the same respect, delivery drivers have houses that they hate going to. One delivery driver says, "I just call it the cat piss house. I hate the cat piss house. It's the worst thing in the world.

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  There's cat piss all over the front porch and you smell it and it stays with you." And imagine that in the summer. Another says, "There's this one house with a driveway that looks like the surface of the damn moon with how many craters are on it, but their mailbox slot is so tiny, every single parcel has to go to the front door. Mine's a long rural driveway that pretty much is a junkyard. There used to be these aggressive dogs living there and they just have so many places to hide, always out. Anyone's guess of which direction these dogs are gonna come out and try to attack you." The worst are the houses that have lines of cars that are just parked on the street. So you have to park the delivery truck a house down and then run to the front of the house where you walk up two flights of stairs to deliver it straight to their door. And it's miserable because a lot of delivery drivers, they get paid by the route.

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  They don't get paid by the hour, so they're running to complete the route.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

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  Yeah, it's a huge deal and it's miserable and sometimes certain roads just have random traffic jams for no reason. It's like everybody forgot how to drive. Tanner Horner is sitting in the driver's seat of the big white van with FedEx written in big, bold, purple and orange letters on the sides. And he's starting to get very agitated. The entire road is blocked. There's rows of boxes stacked behind him. It's almost Christmas time. It's the time between Thanksgiving and Christmas. This is a delivery driver's peak time for packages. He's got places to go and he's peering over his steering wheel, trying to see what the hell is going on. It's a small residential road. There are cars on both sides blocking him. There's people walking around like this is not a goddamn road.

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  What year was this?

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  2022.

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  Okay.

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  Tanner sounds annoyed before he sounds curious. There's honking. I can't get through. There's people in the way. He's trying to tell the people outside like, hello, I'm trying to get through. Do not see my giant FedEx van. He's inching forward and he leans out the window and he's asking, can you tell them I need to get through? There's like people in the way. I have more packages to deliver. There's a woman who approaches the FedEx truck. Um, you can pull up and try to ask them to get through, but there's been a kidnapping. So it's all blocked. So you'll just have to pull up and ask the officers and they'll let you through, but there's been a seven-year-old taken. Are you serious? Yeah, that's what all of this is for. I was wondering what all this was about. Are you serious? The FedEx truck pulls up to the officers.

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  He asks if he can go through, which they let him through. And there's no change in his demeanor because we have the dash cam footage of him sitting in the truck.

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  Talking to the police?

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  Yeah, just talking to the neighbors. I need to get through and there's no change in his demeanor. In fact, he's holding a cigarette in one hand. There's no fear. There's nothing, even though all the police have to do is pull the driver to the side, check his phone, check his backpack, and they would know that he's the one that kidnapped seven-year-old Athena Strand.

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  When was the disrout that he's taking like?

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  The next day.

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  Ninety-six tennis courts does not sound that bad. If you had to search through ninety-six tennis courts, I mean, it's bad. But let's say you have a drone, throw it up in the air and it's an easy search unless you're looking for something miniscule. But if you're looking for something bigger, you're gonna find it. Unless you fill ninety-six tennis courts with tall trees, brush, hill, and almost freezing temperatures, all of a sudden, six acres is a massive plot of land. Athena Strand and her family live on six acres of land in Paradise, Texas, which is about fifty-ish miles north of Fort Worth, Texas, if you guys are interested in the locations. But there's technically two families that live on this huge plot of land.

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  You've got Jacob and Ashley Strand, and they have their children. A ten-year-old daughter, that's from Ashley from a previous marriage. Then you have a seven-year-old Athena, and then they have a newborn baby together. So Athena has a stepsister and then a half-sister. This is a blended family. One thing to note is Jacob is Athena's biological father and Ashley is Athena's stepmother. She's also been in Athena's life since Athena was maybe a year and a half old. So they're a really well-blended family. And this is very important later. On the same property, you have another house with Athena's uncle and aunt there, from Jacob's side. I mean, that's the whole point of living in Paradise, Texas. The kids can play and run outside and they have their favorite tree that they would go to and climb up. They would run back and forth down the hill to their uncle and aunt's house and then run back up and run back down.

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  It's the countryside, the kids love it. The house is situated very far from the main road. I don't even know if you can call it a main road. It's just a road that leads people to a few properties. And it's a dead end. So there's not a lot of through traffic. If someone is coming down the road, it's either because they have a reason to be there, they live there, they're visiting a friend there, or they're delivering a package, or they're lost. Not really any other reason. Ashley, Athena's stepmom, says Athena loved it so much. I mean, she was wild. She loved living out there, loved the freedom of being a kid, getting to just run wild and free on some land. She's trying to explain the situation to the police. The bus drops off the girls at 4:30 PM. The older sister, the 10-year-old, goes to the uncle's house because she needs help with her homework.

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  Athena, she's hanging out with Ashley, the stepmom, and the newborn baby. Athena's supposed to be doing her chores, though. She's supposed to be sorting her laundry because that's the after-school chore. And Ashley's cooking dinner, and Jacob, the dad, had gone out hunting. So it's really just Ashley, Athena, and the newborn baby. So Ashley's telling Athena, "Go finish sorting your laundry before dinner." Okay, so Ashley's like, "I'm gonna check up on you after and make sure your chores are done." It's a very normal thing to do. And she goes to Athena's bedroom, opens the door after dinner is done, and Athena's gone. She's calling Athena's name, no response. She calls the aunt and uncle that live down the hill on the same property. Maybe she went to go see her sister there. She's not there. Ashley calls her husband, Athena's biological dad, Jacob, and the police.

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  And at first, everyone thinks, okay, she definitely wandered off. Like, maybe she's lost in some brush. Maybe she tripped and fell. Maybe she's kind of annoyed at you because you made her do the laundry. The main investigator working the case says, "It's gonna be really, really cold tonight. It's gonna be freezing temperatures tonight. I'm a father. This is my county. Let's find her quick. I don't want her to get cold. I don't want her to be lost." The original energy, the whole energy of this grid search is, "Let's go find Athena, get her home, and quote, 'then we can all go home and get warm.'" The biggest stressor in this case is it's gonna be cold that night. The most efficient way is to bring in the air assets. So they bring in these aircrafts with thermal imaging to look for heat signatures on the ground. They're flying low to the ground. They're scanning for anything that produces heat.

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  Trees do not light up like animals do. They find rabbits, hogs, deer, no human movement. But just because thermal imaging does not show it does not mean that there's not a person in there. Civilian volunteers come in. They start doing a shoulder-to-shoulder search. So they all start at the property line, shoulder to shoulder, and they walk through it. As deep as they can get because when you have a kid if they tripped on some brush it's gonna be hard to find them so I think like three hundred volunteers showed up that night because no one thinks something that nefarious happened a lot of people were initially under the belief that maybe Athena was trying to go to her aunt's house maybe slipped sprained her ankle can't shout no one can hear her so they're just trying to get her home because it's gonna be

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  freezing temperatures that night they send the dogs out volunteers are bringing horses four-wheelers to go through the property it's almost the energy of let's hurry up get this over with so that we can all go home and it's gonna be like a cute little wholesome story that's gonna be in the papers most families in paradise have properties that sit on at least an acre of land so this specific property has been in Jacob's family for twenty years Athena's dad he even grew up on this property running around so this is not an abnormal occurrence everybody in paradise knows but this is what's abnormal about it when please bring in the dogs the dogs keep doing circles around the main house on the property

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  Okay, what does that mean?

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  That means her scent just circles the property and just ends it doesn't follow a lead into the woods it doesn't follow and go into the aunt and uncle's house it's just around the property and then it cuts off by the end of the night I think the feeling that she was just lost in the woods is dissipating they said that they were huddled in a circle as helicopters were flying very low over the property and that's when they first felt that something bad must have happened but what like what could happen the only thing that they know is Athena goes missing and the only difference in the entire property is there's this blue box that's been left at the door it's blue box with white around the edges it's very clearly a Walmart delivery they open it up and

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  inside are Athena's Christmas presents it's a set of Barbies it's the all you can be Barbies career Barbies so each one has a different career and that's the only thing that changed the Rangers who have done missing child's cases they typically have a pattern that they follow with good reason I will say but because more often than not when a child goes missing the family is involved one of the lead investigators working the case says so my immediate thought is go ahead and lock everybody in on a statement that's why they try to get statements as quickly as possible they want to lock you into one version of events they're gonna try to find evidence that doesn't fit that version and then they're gonna force you to change your version over and over and over again until you're just straight up lying you dig yourself into a hole and then you have to tell the truth But that's really only if you're guilty.

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  So he's locking everybody into a statement, trying to corroborate that with digital evidence. Where were you? Cell phone towers, text messages. He says, my goal is to lock everybody in that night, especially the people that were in close proximity to Athena at the time. So that's what I started doing on the scene. They also go to Athena's teachers. Kids say a lot about their home life at school that you just would not realize. They just say some crazy things. Ms. Thompson is Athena's school teacher and Ms. Thompson is asked to describe what it's like to teach Athena. She says, she's like a free spirit. I mean, she would come in with stickers on her hands. She loved to dress up. She's truly just like a free spirit. I have no other words to describe her. Her teacher says there was a new student in their classroom that had needs that were harder to fulfill.

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  And Athena opened up her arms to him. She would play with him on the playground. She has this very big heart. I mean, that's just who she is. And now she's missing. And the last thing she was seen wearing are these little pants with little flowers near the pocket. And a shirt and a jacket, of course, but the pants are very distinct. The lead investigator says, he just feels it in his gut. He's locking everybody in a statement, but he just feels something is not right. So he starts shifting his attention to the Barbies that were delivered around that time, which means the Texas Rangers, they need help, they need resources. They reach out to the FBI, fill them in on what's going on. And the first person the FBI want to talk to is the FedEx driver. They're like, let me call FedEx. They contact FedEx and they're like, we need to know who the delivery driver was that dropped off these Barbies. Because maybe he's not guilty.

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  That's not what we're saying. We're not that presumptuous, but maybe he saw something. Maybe he saw somebody drive up. Maybe he saw something else. FedEx is like, oh, that, that's not by us. So that was not a FedEx employee. It's through a third contractor, a third party company that we use in the local area called Big Top Spin, which a lot of these delivery companies are doing this recently, especially with companies like Amazon, where they're not employed by the major company, but they have third party companies in local areas that they dispatch to.

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  But they still drive a FedEx, FedEx car?

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  Yes, so sometimes they will and sometimes they don't. And that's why you might have seen an uptick of people dropping off an Amazon package in a personal vehicle. Instead of an Amazon vehicle, you know?

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  Interesting.

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  So it's it just varies. Big Top Spin, however, happens to be a company where they will give you vans that say FedEx on the side. So it seems like they do most of the contracting in the area for FedEx. They do deliveries during peak, peak seasons. This is between Thanksgiving and Christmas, November twenty second. FBI reaches out to Big Top Spin and they give them a name of the delivery driver who went to deliver Athena's Barbies, coincidentally, right at the time that she goes missing, which I mean, for all the feds know, this could very well just be a coincidence. They want to talk to him. They want to talk to Tanner Horner. They arrest him while he's working in his FedEx truck.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Arrest him?

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  Well, they did try to talk to him a few times, but here's the very suspicious thing. The time that he drops off the Barbies, he does not record it delivered. So he drops it off, but he doesn't record the delivery on the paper.

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  Yeah.

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  Which is very odd. And then after that, he doesn't have another delivery for at least thirty minutes. But the next delivery zone is not thirty minutes away. So what is this time discrepancy?

• 22:16Speaker 01

  So FBI got that information immediately?

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  Immediately.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Like the next day?

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  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  They start talking to him. He's like, I don't know what's going on. I got sick in the FedEx truck, so that's why you have the thirty minute discrepancy. I actually went to a truck stop called Love's. It's like a convenience store and a truck stop. I had to clean up my throw up because I was so sick. And then that's just what happened. And he starts getting emotional and he's like, you know, I have a one year old son, so this has been really messing with me too, as I'm sure it's messing with everybody else in the community. But eventually, they arrest him in his FedEx truck. And they have enough reason to believe that Athena is somewhere near him. They slam open the back door. They're looking for Athena in the back. And she is not there. She's not in the truck. Athena's biological mother, Maitland, she lives about two hours away.

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  When she heard Athena was missing, even though a lot of people in the community thought that she was just wandering on the property, she drove that two hour drive in forty five minutes. She was beside herself. She says that she knows that whatever news the sheriff is bringing to her 48 hours after her daughter has gone missing is not good. So two days after Athena Strand has been missing, the sheriff find the family at the local church. And she knows what he's going to say because she said that when someone is delivering bad news to you before they deliver the news, they avoid eye contact. And when he brought the family into a back room at the church, he wouldn't make eye contact with any of them. But even then, she says she was in a state of denial. She said, I wanted to tell Sheriff Atkins that he didn't know what he was talking about. I asked him if I could confirm that

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  that was my daughter, but he told me no, because she looks too bad. And I went into a place of denial. I stopped breathing and I started to blackout as I heard Ashley, Athena's stepmom screaming. I knew it. I knew it was him. Tanner Horner is brought in for questioning by the police. And he gives various versions of what happened that night when he came to deliver the package of Barbies to Athena Strand's house. One variation, he says, that he was doing the delivery there and he sees this old green van. It's like a Chevy Astro van. It looked really creepy. It looked exactly like the type of van that would kidnap kids. It had sunspots on the hood of the roof and a piece of the panel missing on the driver door close to the front wheel. He's very specific. So he leaves the packages of Barbies and then he drives off for the next delivery, but that green van was still there when he drove off.

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  And then he just started feeling sick. So he threw up and then you get the whole story. Multiple law enforcement agencies put a BOLO out for this green van. Lots of resources are funneled into finding this green van because they have to try. Go through the databases, physical surveillance on the ground. They put out statewide BOLOs, DPS aircraft flying nonstop to locate any green vans in the area. Police start going through tower dumps in the area to figure out what cellular devices were in the area at the time. So like they'll get a cell tower data and see all the active devices. They have to locate this van because if they locate this van, they could potentially locate Athena alive. So we're back to the initial search. This is before Athena's body is found. And as law enforcement are looking for this green van, they're just noticing a lot of

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  weird holes in Tanner's story. Not only did he not mark Athena Strand's delivery delivered, he stops delivering for thirty minutes and then there's another four to five deliveries that were uncompleted that night. And just the way that he's behaving is very uncomfortable. It doesn't make sense. He'll have bursts of emotions near the end of the conversation where he's just like, I can't believe something like this would happen because I'm a parent. But that feels less like empathy and more like purging of emotions because of tension.

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  In the interrogation room during one of the countless conversations between the lead detectives and Tanner Horner, as Tanner is explaining what happened, the detectives step out for a second. And when they get back, there's this huge whiteboard on the wall that interrogators use. And in red marker, it's scribbled, "He's going to hurt me, please help."

• 26:02Speaker 01

  What?

• 26:04Speaker 00

  So the detectives are like, "Did you write that while we were out of the room for a second? Who's he? Who's gonna hurt you? Please help, help what?" And he says, "Because if I say too much, I'm gonna die." So like, what does that even mean? Who's gonna die? Why would you die if you say too much? What are you talking about? This is part of Tanner Horner's story that there was another party involved. And he goes back and forth. So it's not this chronological timeline of story one, story two, story three, story four. It's just a merging of all the stories. But in the event that he claims that there was another party involved in this kidnapping, he even wrote this note later for the detectives as he's sitting in jail. "Detectives, my family is in danger.

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  The day Athena was killed, I wasn't the only one involved. When I pulled up to the house, an older man had pulled a rifle on me and demanded my wallet. It's weird. He almost expected me to be there. After he checked my wallet, he gave me instructions. After handing me back my wallet, he told me to take the girl and bring her to a specific spot, this tall grass bamboo area. He gave me a change of clothes for the girl and told me to have her change into them before handing her to him. He had threatened my family and I didn't know what to do, so I just went along with it. Don't tell the media, by the way, I don't know if he's gonna do something. If I'm killed on the way to and from the courthouses, I'll assume it's him. When I handed her over, she seemed like she knew him. It kind of freaked me out.

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  When she calmed down after seeing him, I shut my headlights off, I followed them, and I saw him park his car near that creek. The next day I went there and I saw the girl's body in the creek."

• 27:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, I needed to get this out, even if it was just in writing. Don't tell the media. Don't tell my family. Don't. They'll tell the media. Don't tell the family of Athena until after their lawsuit with FedEx goes through. This is between me and you detective. As long as it stays between us, my family stays safe. I will gladly keep the blame as long as they're safe. The man was older, probably 50s, gray hair, short military style haircut, kind of fat with a bit of upper body muscle. I handed him the girl's clothes when I gave him her. I either missed the pants or put them back in the truck somehow in my backpack. I'm not sure. But three times he asked me about the cameras on the FedEx truck. Unless y'all find him, keep it from everybody. I don't want my family hurt. I'm sorry. I've been a burden on y'all.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  There is a camera in the FedEx?

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. So he tries to go with this whole story that there's another man involved. Authorities sweep the entire state practically for this green Astro van that could be involved in Athena strands kidnapping and they don't find it. I mean, I'm sure they do find multiple green Astro vans, but nobody that has any sort of connection with Athena strand. And it's just a revolving door of excuses with Tanner Horner. So first he says he doesn't even remember delivering the Barbies to Athena's house. Then he says he remembers and he had to be quiet because that man was involved, that suspicious old man in the green van, and he was getting framed. Then police were able to get the dash cam footage of Athena inside of the FedEx truck. Video placing Athena into the truck into the back of the van. There's video of him putting her into the back of the van and they don't see a

• 29:11Speaker 00

  green Astro van anywhere in the vicinity. Then he switches his story. He says, let me tell you what really happened. All of this is an accident. I accidentally reversed into Athena. I hit her with the FedEx truck as I was backing up because I was trying to get on to my next delivery. And I panicked thinking that she was gonna go tell on me and I would lose my job. So I put her in the back of the van. He says the first version, she was already practically dead when he hit her with the truck, but that's not true at all. There's dash cam stills of Athena alive and unharmed in the FedEx truck, at least in the beginning, to which Tanner then changes his story once more.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Where is, what's that camera? Like it's the reverse?

• 29:50Speaker 00

  So there's multiple cameras all over the FedEx truck. There's a reverse camera that he says was not working at the time. But this, there's cameras in the back of the van. There's cameras where the packages are. There's cameras like all over the inside and outside of these FedEx vans. However, however, he covered up a lot of them with sticky notes. Before. So we don't, we don't see the footage of him placing Athena in the back of the truck. We don't know which camera it is. I'm assuming it's probably an exterior camera.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 30:19Speaker 00

  But the interior camera, he's covered up most of the ones in the back.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  So there are a few that's not covered?

• 30:27Speaker 00

  There's one in the front dash that shows him driving.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  That's not covered, at least initially. And you can see Athena. Th- th- that's where the picture comes from that everybody has seen. There's a still photo that has been used in trial where she is standing between the driver's seat and the passenger seat and she looks really alarmed. And he's just driving.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  Eventually, the detectives will get their hands on the full audio from the cameras, because even though he covered them up with sticky camera, or sticky notes, the audio is still recording. Eventually Tanner changes the story once more, that he had to strangle her. So he backs up into her, she's alive. He puts her in the back of the van because he's freaking out about losing his job. And then he decides that he's going to strangle her to make sure that she keeps silent about him hitting her with this van. He claims he didn't do anything else to her. He just quote, tossed her body so that he could keep his job. Tanner Horner takes them to a location filled with bamboo. These are like ten foot tall bamboo trees, stating that this is where he left Athena's body after he killed her, but only because it was an accident.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  The lead detective says, I'm walking him and he's pointing at a location that's not too thick into the bamboo. And he's stating that it's not too much further in there and just essentially giving me an idea of where she was in the bamboo. They bring in the dogs, they bring in other help, and the detective immediately knows this is not where Athena Strand is. He says, quote, "At the time, I felt like I was being lied to again and that she was not here." Just the amount of resources we had, especially with canine resources and everything. In my prior experience, especially if we're being directed to that area, we usually find unfortunately, human remains or humans with a canine very quickly.

• 32:11Speaker 00

  Tanner Horner offers up the possibility, maybe potentially after he quote tossed Athena's body, somebody else and came and picked her up. And the police the whole time, they do a really good job of not getting triggered because I think this case has really affected everyone in Paradise, Texas in a very strong way. I mean, cell towers, Athena strands color is pink. That was her favorite color. Cell towers, government buildings, city lights were all changed to pink for the longest time. I just imagine that these police fucking hate his guts, but they don't show it. And they're trying to be very chill with him. And they're like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. But like, who would do that? Someone who wants to be a hero who's like, oh, I found the little girl. You think that's what it is? He's like, no, I've noticed there's quite a bit of tweakers out here.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 32:58Speaker 00

  Tweakers, I guess, a very derogatory term for people who use drugs typically used against people without homes. I think he's trying to paint this picture that someone very nefarious came along and took Athena Strand's body. And he's just like the innocent guy who quote tossed her body. He uses the word tossed multiple times.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  How old is he?

• 33:16Speaker 00

  At this point during the trial right now, he's thirty five. So he must have been thirty one, thirty two.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  And she's not here. She's not in this bamboo. It's very clear. And it's not until two days after she goes missing, the investigators are led to Bobo Crossing. It's a bridge and a creek. Nobody knows why it's called Bobo's Crossing. Apparently, it's just a creek with murky water. It's very stagnant. It gets very deep at the center. And they see Athena submerged in about three feet of water. The lead detective says, when I first walked up to the edge of the creek, he told me she's right there. That's where I put her. So he changes his story. He's like, okay, fine. I took her to the creek.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Okay, so so she's just in the middle of the creek?

• 33:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  This is two days in?

• 34:01Speaker 00

  Forty eight hours, about two days in.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  And based on the water visibility, it was dark. The detective says I had a flashlight. I angled the flashlight at different angles and I was able to see her nude body buoyant beneath the water. She's a very tiny frame, four feet, four inches tall and only weighing sixty-two pounds. So she's face down in the creek with her arms to the side, completely unclothed in the water. And authorities say they were led to Bobo Crossing by a person named Zero. Zero is the one that led them here. Zero says he's the one that killed Athena, not Tanner Horner. It's all him. He got rid of her after all of that and he took off her clothes as a way to humiliate her. It was all him. The lead investigator asks him, did y'all, like

• 34:48Speaker 00

  you and Tanner, really try to break her neck? Zero responds, it didn't work.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Wait, I'm sorry, Zero's the real name?

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, Zero's a name.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:56Speaker 00

  And the investigator asks, was it you trying to break her neck or was it Tanner trying to break her neck? Zero says it was all him. He's the one that broke Athena's neck. Did you choke her from behind like you said earlier? He's nodding. Did she defecate on herself? He nods. Did she struggle? He nods. He says that she was struggling and trying to kick him, but she wasn't able to. They ask about whether or not he took any of Athena's clothes and he responds, no, I just threw her clothes on the highway. So you're saying you stripped her naked to throw her clothes out the window on the highway? Is that what you're saying? Because why would you take off her clothes after you kill her and then throw her in the creek nude? I thought it was funny. You thought it was funny?

• 35:40Speaker 00

  You took all her clothes off of her, shirts, pants, underwear, everything? I left the panties on. So why did Tanner take any of the clothes home, you think? I don't know, he's not stupid. He later takes that back and he admits that he's the one that planted the pants in Tanner's backpack, quote, "The pants and the underwear." You said it was funny throwing her clothes out on the highway. Which highway did you throw them out on? Fourteen. Why'd you take her clothes out there? It's funny. Is that like a form of humiliation? He nods really slowly and says, she was gonna tell. So you had to punish her? He nods slowly again. Did you tell her?

• 36:25Speaker 00

  Did she tell you she was gonna tell? He nods. She did? When did she tell you that she was gonna tell? At the house.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  Who the hell is Zero? And what the hell does he have to do with any of this? Was he in the FedEx truck? What's his connection to Tanner? Zero is Tanner's alter ego, according to Tanner Horner.

• 36:48Speaker 01

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• 36:49Speaker 00

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• 39:44Speaker 00

  Tanner then moves on. So he goes from I'm being framed by a green van man. And then he goes to, it was a complete accident. She was already dead when I backed up into her and then I just disposed of her body. It was a pure accident. I was overworked. The FedEx camera trucks backup cameras don't work. And then it switched to, you know what? She was alive when I put her in the van, but I had to strangle her because she said she was gonna tell. And then it turns into, but it wasn't me strangling her. It was actually my alter ego zero strangling her because I have three alter egos. Tanner then gives the investigators his newest version of events. That zero is to blame for all of this.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  So how did they get to speak to quote zero?

• 40:26Speaker 00

  Okay, that's the very frustrating thing too. So not only is he just trying to use autism as an excuse to negate any bad wrongdoing that he's done in the entirety of his just god awful life, but on top of that, he tries to pretend that he has DID. I don't even think he knows what he's doing. And then the only way you can talk to zero is the investigators go, zero? I would like to talk to you. And then he rolls his eyes to the back of his head and he tilts his head to the side and suddenly he's giving the worst performance I've ever seen in improv

• 41:02Speaker 00

  That's how you talk to Zero.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  So he changed his whole mannerism for that, right?

• 41:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. This is my personal belief. I tend to believe that Zero is his real personality. And I'm not saying personalities as in he has different alters and different personalities. I think those are his true inner thoughts. And Tanner is like how he would like to present himself to the world because that's, I mean, everybody does that. You have your true inner thoughts and then you say things to the outside because you don't want to seem crazy. There's just a lot in the interrogation footage. There's a lot of things that don't make sense, but I'm just going to give you the most important parts. At some point Tanner is still trying to sell this story that he himself Tanner Horner and Zero, who is still him, but he himself never wanted Athena to get hurt. And he has this very alarming, jarring moment during the interview where he says, she was a sweet kid.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  And he's describing how they're driving down the road and she kept asking where we were going. I didn't know what to tell her, so I just talked to her about random things. He said that she's in the truck and quote, just trying to figure out what I was going to do about the situation. She kept asking questions. She's hanging out in the back. And then where did you go? We went down this private road and I listened to that little voice again to hurt her. So he's saying that this little voice is Zero. He starts sniffling into his hand. He's like in the interrogation room, sniffling into his hand, leaning up against the wall. And they're like, it's all right. The investigators are like, it's all right. And he's like, it's not all right. It's okay to tell me. You gotta get it off your chest. How did you hurt her? I just told her to turn around.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  He starts rubbing his head. You choked her? One hand or two hands? Two. Two? Was she facing away from you while you were choking her? It started off, I, I tried to break her neck, make it as quick as possible, but it didn't work. She started crying. He says he had her face away from him. He just didn't want her to see it coming. He doesn't recall how long it took. He doesn't even have a ballpark of five minutes, 10 minutes, 30 minutes. He says the voice just said that. You know, he's got to get rid of her. Quote, we needed to keep her from telling anybody. Everything was at risk. My job, my family, everything. I didn't know what to do. He says he came to the realization, quote, I couldn't just keep running around with the kid in the back like that. So he stops by the bamboo trees and he just quote, "I just tossed her in. I just tossed her in the bush,"

• 43:17Speaker 00

  or whatever you want to call that. She was not alive at the time. I was relatively sure. I mean, I didn't check her heartbeat or anything, but I didn't, I was relatively sure that she wasn't alive. Did you mainly do this because you didn't want to get in trouble for hitting her with, or FedEx or legally or what? He says essentially just panicking. I didn't know what to do and it almost seemed like it was a dream. For the most part, it kind of seems like I wasn't, you know what I mean? It seems like I wasn't behind the wheel at the time. And the detective testifies, "When I asked him if he communicated with her, he stated that he did. And she told him her name and also asked him if he was a kidnapper." One of the first words Athena asked was, "Are you a kidnapper?" At one point, he tries to say that the van didn't have backup cameras or sensors, so he believed that contributed to this happening.

• 44:00Speaker 00

  And then he claims that he tossed her in the bamboo woods, toss, again, that's the word that he chooses. And he says that he didn't put her deep into the bamboo woods because he wanted her to be found. Why would you want her to be found? Because I'm a parent. I wouldn't, you know, I would want to know. Okay, during the next couple of days, you didn't go back to the bamboo forest? So he's saying like, "I'm not the one that moved her to the creek. I put her at the very edge of the bamboo forest." They're like, "You didn't go back?" "No." "Why not? You're a parent." "I didn't want to know. I just, I didn't want to know what was, I was hearing updates about this constantly." "I wanted someone to be able to find this poor little thing." After getting rid of Athena's body in the bamboo area, he says that he went to Love's,

• 44:43Speaker 00

  which is a convenience store and truck stop where he gets cleaning supplies. The lead detective is like, "Would it, did they ask you where you're cleaning up?" Because he didn't even buy the supplies. He says that he just went to the counter and was like, "Hey, I made a mess in the van. Can you give me some cleaning supplies I can use?" So the front desk gives him some cleaning supplies. What did you tell him you were cleaning up? He stated that he was cleaning up vomit and feces. And he's like, it's my vomit. The detective asks him, wait, whose feces are you cleaning up, though? Athena's. He continues to insist that he is not the one that killed Athena. He believes it was like he was in the backseat. He was almost dreaming at the time. He believes it's its alter ego zero. Now, we're gonna go into what Tanner and his alter.

• 45:27Speaker 00

  I don't even wanna call it an alter ego. What Tanner says pretending to be zero. It it's not even in the slightest bit believable. It's like pissing on someone and saying that it's raining. Nobody's believing it, and it's just insulting to those who actually have DID. But before we go there, let's go through the irrefutable evidence. There is footage from inside the FedEx truck where Tanner had preemptively covered the FedEx truck cameras with sticky notes days before the kidnapping, which a lot of people believe that this indicates he was trying to kidnap someone within the next few days. He made sure that he was in the same FedEx van all those days, and then even after the crime, so that he could be in control of what they've been calling his mobile crime scene. But there's still audio recordings and at least a few visual pieces of evidence

• 46:12Speaker 00

  that place Athena alive and in the back of the FedEx truck. There are also markings on her face. There are grid-like patterns that match the floor of the FedEx truck as well as boots. They call it a tread pattern. The ME says it's kind of like zigzag patterns, and it's like if you were to press someone's face down onto the van floor. She suffered some sort of trauma or event that would cause her to clamp down so harshly on her own tongue that there would be teeth markings embedded into her tongue. There was a rope, bungee-like cord found inside the truck. There was DNA tested on vaginal and anal swabs that came back. There was blood and semen found on several of Tanner's clothing,

• 46:56Speaker 00

  including his FedEx work shirt, his hoodie, jeans, and underwear. Athena was presumably essayed in the van before being strangled to death. After killing Athena in the truck, he makes sure that his next few shifts, he gets the same exact FedEx truck. And Tanner, he refuses assaying Athena, and he continues to state that all of this happened just because Backed into Athena and he was scared of losing his job and nobody believes it. Nobody believes that he backed into Athena. Nobody believes any of this. He says, I have a fucking one year old. If I lose this job, I lose everything at this point. Even if this whole accident story were even a smidgen believable, which it's not. Tanner's telling the detectives that he tossed her body. He tossed her here. He tossed this. He. There's just a lack of remorse and a lack of care when he even references Athena.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  If this was a pure accident, I would imagine that someone is in shambles describing what happened. The investigators ask, did she bleed or anything in that truck? I don't know, possibly. He says that he did throw her in the van so she could have some cuts and stuff from being thrown in the van. But quote, I'm not some sort of psychopath. He says after he kills a little girl, he goes home after a shift and quote, I just went home and I went to sleep. I took my sleeping medication, watched Game of Thrones and I was out. Did you take anything from her? I mean, not that I can think of. I mean, I might have found a sock, but I just kind of threw it. So he's just making it sound so casual. Is that a maybe or did you find socks? I did find a sock, but it was just. Was it one of her socks? I think so, unless it's just some other driver's sock.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  Which by the way, he took the socks home and they were found in this, what could be described as a junkyard on his property. Was it one of her socks? And he's like, I think so, unless it's just some other driver's sock. And they're like, well, I mean, you would be able to know if it's a little girl's sock or a driver's sock. Be real. And he's like, yeah, okay. He says, I do think she pooped herself also when. I really don't want to say it. When you choked her. Yeah. It wasn't like she's still alive and then she pooped herself, right? How, how do you know she pooped herself? I mean, I smelled it when I was moving her. Some of it got on the floor. He says he stopped by the truck, stopped to clean. What did you, you know, what did you pay when you were at Love's getting the stuff to clean? Did you pay in cash?

• 49:07Speaker 00

  I didn't pay for anything. I just asked if they had any cleaning supplies. When he's asked to describe the person working at Love's for the cleaning supplies. This is the part that.

• 49:18Speaker 00

  He says, he did kind of look like he might be part Jewish. Okay, why do you say that? God, this is going to sound terrible.

• 49:28Speaker 00

  Like, as if everything else he said is not terrible. Because he doesn't preface anything else about killing Athena as terrible. He's not like, God, I can't believe I'm saying that. He's just like, God, this is gonna sound terrible. He had a decently big nose. I know, I know, that sounds terrible. I'm sorry, I'm, it's still, you know, I try not to discriminate because it's just kind of shitty.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 49:51Speaker 00

  With his confession, the FedEx footage, the audio evidence, the DNA evidence, forensic evidence, Tanner Horner is charged with capital murder and aggravated kidnapping, which means he's up for the death penalty in Texas. He has pled guilty to capital murder and aggravated kidnapping. So why do we still have a second part of this podcast? Why do we have so much ground to cover? Just send him into Gen Pop and let one of the guards tell the others what he's done. And just, I mean, I don't know, some people believe in capital murder, some people don't. So that's up for debate, but like, why is this a big deal if he's already pled guilty to the charges? But because this is Texas and because he's pled guilty to capital murder, it doesn't matter if he wants to die by the state, there has to be a whole trial

• 50:35Speaker 00

  where the jurors are told by the judge, quote, "There will no longer be a first phase of the trial, where you will be determining whether or not guilt has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Your sole duty now will be to listen to all the evidence that is going to be presented to you, because you will be using that evidence to determine the proper punishment to be assessed." So instead of determining whether or not he's guilty of the crime, they're going into the punishment phase. They will be deciding whether or not he deserves to die for it. Whether he will get the death penalty or life in prison without parole.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  And that's happened yet, or?

• 51:15Speaker 00

  Right now, we're still on, as of filming this, we're still on the defense side. They are projected to close their arguments, I think, May 5.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 51:26Speaker 00

  And that is the first part of the audio podcast. The second part of the audio podcast, we're going to go through all of the defense and what they're saying of why this happened and more of the actual interrogation from Zero and the stupid Zero that no one believes exists. And the whole trial has just been very emotional. So with that being said, stay tuned for part two. Stay safe and I will see you in the next one. Twenty years after Natalie Holloway disappeared on a high school graduation trip to Aruba, Natalie's mother, Beth, is ready to tell the complete story. Taken: Natalie Holloway is a three-part series that follows Beth's relentless pursuit of answers and justice for her daughter and gives a fuller picture of who Natalie was as a person.

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