Pod Insights Rotten Mango All The Emails Between Bill Gates & Epstein + Bill Gate's Mistress Speaks Out About this episode One day before Nancy, mother of news anchor Savannah Guthrie, goes missing, the DOJ releases the largest, single dump of documents in the history of the Epstein case.
Over 3.5 million pages.
More than 2k videos.
Approximately 180k images.
A little over 24 hours later, Nancy vanishes and the internet starts connecting some dots, suggesting strings were pulled to ensure her disappearance monopolized the national news stage instead of the most recent Epstein files dump.
Netizens cite Savannah Guthrie’s 2019 interview with 6 of Epstein’s survivors including Shante Davies who was pictured with the former US president Bill Clinton and the now late, Virginia Guiffre. The dateline special was Virginia’s first ever televised interview, where she sat across from Savannah and specifically implicated Prince Andrew in Epstein’s trafficking ring.
So is the timing of Nancy’s disappearance just coincidental or is there something deeper at play?
Most importantly, what exactly is in these files that the public would possibly ‘need distracting’ from?
Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com
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0:58 Speaker 00 This is part two of the new, updated Nancy Guthrie-Jeffrey Epstein Files case episode. If you haven't already, please listen to the audio part, part one, because we go over the new released Epstein interview that he had with Steve Bannon that's two hours long. This is like the most in-depth we've ever seen Jeffrey Epstein in his own words. Seeing him on video, speaking in the way that he does, to add a voice to this character almost, like this demon that has been haunting this nation for so many years, has been very interesting to see. Please go take a look at that. We also cover the connections between Savannah Guthrie, Jeffrey Epstein, the victims, and
1:39 Speaker 00 the way that she was able to facilitate NBC's Dateline 2019 interview, which was the first televised interview with all of the Epstein survivors, and how that connects with Nancy Guthrie's case, as well as the Epstein files. Please go listen to that. But with that being said, let's get started. February 2026, former Prince Andrew Mountbatten Windsor is arrested on his 66th birthday. And after being in custody-
2:05 Speaker 01 Wait, on his, that's, that was his birthday that day?
2:08 Speaker 00 And after being in custody for eleven hours, I will say that he is released. King Charles has issued a very rare personal statement where he says in more words, "Let me state clearly, the law must take its course." Which is a very kind way of saying like, "We're gonna let this happen." Whatever Andrew is gonna go through, he's gonna go through it. It is monumental, but also it can be more monumental. Because as of right now, he is under investigation, but he has not been charged nor exonerated. So while a lot of people in the UK, they want more and they want it more quickly. Everyone in the US feels like, if even a former prince can be detained, there can finally be some clarity, that finally, there can be some justice. How come it's not happening over here?
2:51 Speaker 00 A week after that, another arrest is made in the UK. Peter Mandelson, he's the former UK ambassador to the US. He was a key advisor for Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. He's a Labour politician. Peter Mandelson is arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office. His name comes up extensively in the files, nearly six thousand times. And he's very close to Epstein. There's a photo of him in his undies also found in the files.
3:18 Speaker 01 Doing what?
3:19 Speaker 00 Just hanging out.
3:20 Speaker 01 Oh.
3:21 Speaker 00 So there's that. So, I mean, you know, he can't say that he had no clue about Epstein's crimes and that he failed to do a quick Google search.
3:28 Speaker 01 On, like, on these photos, who, do you know who, where are those photos from? Is someone just there constantly with a digital camera?
3:34 Speaker 00 Yeah.
3:34 Speaker 01 That's so bizarre, okay?
3:37 Speaker 00 What a lot of people have been doing is a lot of these billionaires, especially in the United States, pretty much anyone, any of the tech founders, Richard Branson, Bill Gates. Everybody likes to say, "I've never fucking heard of Google." "I did not know, as a billionaire, I should even Google the company that I keep." It doesn't make sense to anyone, because even I, who am not a billionaire, I'm a nobody, okay? I meet someone new, I might Google them, especially if I know nothing about them. And if they're claiming to be a billionaire, I'm definitely gonna Google them.
4:05 Speaker 01 Oh, you're saying they never Google Epstein?
4:07 Speaker 00 After twenty, two thousand and eight, we never really looked into, we didn't know his past. I just thought he was some rich guy.
4:12 Speaker 01 Hmm.
4:13 Speaker 00 You're telling me that people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, people who have bunkers, are not security clearinging everyone in their path?
4:21 Speaker 01 Mark Zuckerberg is in there too?
4:22 Speaker 00 Well, he had a dinner, he was in the files, his name comes up a few times. His spokesperson has stated that it was just a dinner along with other, like, key investors and tech entrepreneurs. Elon Musk, like, you're telling me these people don't Google people? Though Musk has not, I don't think that he said that he didn't Google, um, he's just been very vague about it. So there were emails where he's asking, like practically begging Epstein to go on the island for the craziest party ever. Like this is, I mean, this is crazy because all these other billionaires, they have very roundabout ways of being like, you are such a good friend. Elon Musk is like, I want to go to the island. I want the craziest party of my life. And everyone's like, you're filthy and disgusting. I don't know what's going on.
5:04 Speaker 00 He's come out and his only like statement, I think, is that, hey, so I've been promoting the Epstein files being released. So. It's, yeah, these people are so bizarre. You cannot tell me that none of them have.
5:15 Speaker 01 He said he's never got invited.
5:17 Speaker 00 Yeah, basically, in more, yeah. But Peter Mandelson cannot say that he never Googled Epstein because he wrote an email to Epstein, June of two thousand and eight. And this is when Epstein goes to jail on his work release program. Mandelson emails him, I think the world of you. I feel hopeless and furious about what has happened. I can still barely understand it. It just could not happen in Britain. You have to be incredibly resilient, fight for early release and be philosophical about it as much as you can. The whole thing has been years of torture and now you have to show the world how big a person you are and how strong your friends stay with you and love you. Then in Norway, you have the former prime minister of Norway, Jagland. I don't know if the J is pronounced like that there, but Jagland.
6:02 Speaker 00 And according to email correspondence, he arranged family visits to Epstein's residences in Paris, New York, Palm Beach. This is all after Epstein's two thousand and eight conviction. And Jagland had a whole plan to take his entire family to Epstein's island, but it was canceled because Epstein was sick. There are so many people in the files that have come out and they're like, hey, you guys are wrong. I've never been to the island. And then the emails get released and it's always Epstein canceling on them. And they're trying to go to the island.
6:27 Speaker 01 That's crazy.
6:30 Speaker 00 According to the Wall Street Journal, Bill Gates and Epstein both went to Jagland, the former Norwegian prime minister's house, to talk about Bill Gates's work in eradicating polio, which, let's be real, Jagland was the chair of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee and allegedly Epstein told someone at the Gates Foundation that he's very friendly with, quote, the Norwegians and could help Gates win the Nobel Peace Prize, according to the Wall Street Journal. However, I will note a Gates spokesperson states, Mr. Gates has never been focused on or campaigned for the Nobel Peace Prize or any other prize, which is exactly something someone says when they don't get one. Meanwhile, in the US, there have been a string of resignations, but nothing that really means anything to the victims. Like, no meaningful change or impact.
7:15 Speaker 00 Just rich people retiring early. Representative Thomas Massey states, "Over two dozen people have resigned. CEOs, members of government, worldwide. But I haven't seen any arrests or investigations here in the United States from this Justice Department. And it's because a lot of people in positions of power do not think that there is anything to be done here. Cash Patel has basically stated to Congress that Epstein just trafficked girls to himself. That there is no credible evidence that anybody else is guilty. He states that he would have brought the case yesterday if there was any credible evidence that Epstein trafficked victims to anyone but himself. Also, this is the same person that went on podcasts to doubt that Epstein self-exited. Cash Patel has even stated to a right-wing podcaster in the past, before he became the director,
7:59 Speaker 00 "You don't think that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress night and day to prevent the disclosure of that list?" And now he says, "There's no list. What list?" He says of government officials, "Put on your big-boy pants and let us know who these pedophiles are." This was before he became the director. And now it's, "There's no one to charge. He only trafficked to himself. That's it." Now, that being said, we're gonna go into the other big names in the US that have come up in the files. And this is not me saying that they are guilty of trafficking, that Epstein trafficked victims to them. The sequence of events in this video just happened in this way, that it's right after that segment. But literally, nobody has been charged and convicted of anything related to Epstein that I'm about to talk to you about. Richard Branson of Virgin Airlines, whom just lost his wife.
8:42 Speaker 00 And a lot of people were showing him much love and comfort during that time period. He's in the files. Does that imply guilt? That's not at all what I said. But there is an email from Richard Branson to Epstein that reads, "Dear Jeffrey, it was really nice seeing you yesterday." Which, by the way, Richard Branson has an island in the, um, yeah, the Virgin Islands. Yeah, okay. "The boys in water sports can't stop speaking about it. Anytime you're in the area, would love to see you, as long as you bring your harem."
9:09 Speaker 01 What?
9:11 Speaker 00 Then five bullet points. I think if Bill Gates was willing to say that you've been a brilliant advisor to him that you slipped up so many years ago by sleeping with a seventeen and a half year old woman and were punished for it. You've more than learnt your lesson and have done nothing that's against the law since. And yes, as a single man, you seem to have a penchant for women. But there's nothing wrong with that. Anyway, something along those lines. Two, twentieth September. Sadly, I'm in the UK that week. Three, I'll copy Peter Norris. Is there a similar transaction you'd recommend today? Four, we definitely should be using all the information we gain worldwide to trade currencies and trade oil. If you find anybody you recommend for us, that would be great, but I'll start looking.
9:52 Speaker 00 Again, I'll copy Peter Norris. Okay, the other parts, financially speaking, some people are like, that sounds suspicious. Like, what are you saying? Okay, but more than that, the whole Bill Gates thing, okay?
10:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:04 Speaker 00 A spokesperson for Richard Branson has stated that Richard Branson has used the word harem to refer to adult woman that he brought along, not underage girls and children. The email is from twenty thirteen, so there is publicly available information about Epstein's crimes by this point, and he even notes it in the email. Like, just writing about one of his crimes. Bill Gates could say this about you, that you slept with a seventeen and a half year old woman. And a lot of nutizens feel like the fact that he even said seventeen and a half is so disgusting. Like, that tells you what kind of person this is. And these people are fucking old when this is happening.
10:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
10:40 Speaker 00 Bill Gates has obviously been heavily in the news for the allegations that he contracted an STI from a Russian woman that he was having an affair with and wanted to get meds for himself. And meds to secretly give to his then-wife, Melinda Gates. He has denied those allegations. And just, he's been in the news for-
10:57 Speaker 01 What do you mean, he denied those allegations? Wasn't that email?
11:00 Speaker 00 Oh, okay, so I'm gonna explain it to you. It gets a little complicated, right? And that's, I mean, even the emails, a lot of people are hiding behind some emails could display wrong metadata. There's like a whole thing, yeah. Yeah, the metadata. But overall, Bill Gates has been in the news for just being chummy with Epstein. Bill Gates has since apologized to his staff for having two separate affairs with two different Russian women whilst being married to Melinda Gates. Quote, "I did have affairs, one with a Russian bridge player who met me at bridge events, and one with a Russian nuclear physicist who I met through business activities."
11:41 Speaker 00 He states that Epstein later discovered these affairs, but these affairs do not involve Epstein's victims. And then he says that Epstein basically tried to blackmail him with the information. In one email, Epstein writes to a mutual of Bill Gates and Epstein. He writes that if the affairs go public, quote, "Bill risks going from the richest man to the biggest hypocrite. Melinda, a laughing stock. Pledges will disappear as a result." Another email is basically Epstein shaming Bill Gates for allegedly being cheap with his mistresses, writing, so he's talking about the mistress, Bill Gates's mistress. "I sent her that note. She said she had little money, couldn't afford air conditioner, was living on a friend's couch, really needed money. I sent her some money. Your friend Bill is nuts. His former girl can't afford air con, cannot afford to travel to bridge tournaments.
12:24 Speaker 00 She said that Sharon Osbourne used to arrange. The lawyer helped her with papers, so she is okay but broke. That story would take Trump off the front pages. The richest man in the world is so cheap. His former bridge girl and toy lives on a friend's sofa. Wow, wow." Who is this email even to?
12:40 Speaker 01 This is crazy.
12:41 Speaker 00 Which, by the way, the Russian bridge player, a lot of nutizens are like, "She's a honeypot for the Russians because she was pictured with an infamous Russian spy." Anyway, we're gonna get there in a second, okay, but who is this email even to? There is so much. This email is to a man named Boris Nikolic. And Boris created Biomatics Capital. But before all of that, his main role was, he worked as a scientific advisor for Bill Gates and worked for Bill Gates's private office. Boris is also really close with Epstein, like really, really, really close to Epstein. To the point where he was listed as a backup executor for Epstein's will just days before Epstein died. Apparently, when Boris decided he was gonna stop working with Bill Gates and he wanted to start his own company, he wanted Bill Gates to fund his company.
13:26 Speaker 01 Of course.
13:27 Speaker 00 Right. But does Bill Gates wanna fund his company? Listen, Bill Gates's PR is the most insane shit that I've ever seen in my life. So out of curiosity, I
13:36 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm, okay.
13:37 Speaker 00 I found this book that was written ages ago. Ages ago, okay, and I was listening to this like podcast that was talking about this book on Bill Gates. And I found it really intriguing because I was like, that doesn't sound like the Bill Gates that I always see in the news. It just, you know, they were talking about how Bill Gates was fucking ruthless. When he first started Microsoft, he was brutal. Everybody was scared of him. He would like, he had this penchant for being someone that was a nightmare to work with. Like the things that you hear about people like Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, like this is what he was saying about Bill Gates. And I was like, oh, that's very interesting because Bill Gates is all about saving the world these days.
14:17 Speaker 00 So I'm like, I never really, he see the white graying hair and he always has like a soft demeanor, like very not Jeff Bezos-y, not haha, I'm gonna take over space vibes. What's going on? I tried to buy the book, can't find it anywhere. So I'm like, now, now I feel like I need to read the book for research purposes because I'm getting freaked out. Why can't I buy it anywhere? And so I ordered it off of eBay.
14:41 Speaker 01 Uh huh. So this book is written years and decades ago.
14:46 Speaker 00 In the nineties.
14:47 Speaker 01 Okay.
14:47 Speaker 00 In the nineties. What they said that Bill Gates never washed his hair. He had dandruff, like he was known for having dandruff all over his shirts, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Like I deal with dandruff too, but but it was just, it paints him in a light that is vastly different from his public image these days.
15:05 Speaker 01 And the book cannot be found anywhere now, no longer unpublished.
15:10 Speaker 00 Yeah, like I couldn't find it at, you know, the local bookstore. But it is from the nineties. Couldn't find it even from like big retailers like Barnes and Noble.
15:18 Speaker 01 That's so interesting.
15:19 Speaker 00 Yeah. So I was like, now I need to read it.
15:22 Speaker 01 Who wrote it anyways?
15:23 Speaker 00 He's like a biographer. He has a second book about Bill Gates. I think that book is nicer about Bill Gates because that one you can buy, right? And then, and then, oh, and then Bill Gates released his own book, Source Code, which I also bought because I was like, ooh, the minute I get free time, I'm gonna compare all three of them. Because I just wanna see, because now I got into, this is like a side quest that I tried to go on, but no, it's weird.
15:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:49 Speaker 00 They said that he was just ruthless, ruthless. Yeah.
15:56 Speaker 00 But he's like the only one that has good PR. I I mean, define good, but like that soft grandpa PR.
16:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:03 Speaker 00 Versus like Jeff Bezos, I'm like, I'm definitely scared of you, just looking at you.
16:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:08 Speaker 00 Whereas I feel like Bill Gates, like you look at him and you're like, oh, he looks mostly harmless. Anyway.
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17:50 Speaker 00 So this guy is like, I'm gonna leave and I want Bill Gates to fund my company. Now, after having read like thirty percent of the book that I couldn't find on any of the big retailers, I'm like, Bill Gates ain't gonna fund your company. He doesn't care about anybody he works with like that. Epstein is like, I'm gonna help you by helping you blackmail Bill Gates.
18:11 Speaker 01 That's insane.
18:12 Speaker 00 It ended up semi-working. I don't know if blackmail is the right word to use. Boris says he has nothing to do with what Epstein was planning. Bill Gates invested in his company because they have a good relationship and Bill Gates believes in what he was doing. But it was in the range of like, under a hundred million dollars was like, the vibe. Which, if you say under a hundred million dollars, I'm expecting ninety-nine million dollars. I'm not expecting two million dollars, or a dollar.
18:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:40 Speaker 00 But, side note, Boris has now come out to state again that he has nothing to do with this and that Epstein was doing whatever he wanted to do by himself. But Epstein starts drafting emails that he's likely gonna want Boris to send to Bill Gates. So this is where it's confusing. So he keeps sending it to himself, but it's all written as if Boris has written them. But Jeffrey Epstein is writing them. So it's like, imagine I'm trying to send an email to you. I'm gonna write it as if I'm you, but I haven't sent it to you to send yet. So I'm just like drafting it in my emails and then sending it to myself so I have an updated copy.
19:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:12 Speaker 00 Right. One reads, "I've decided to resign my position effective immediately with BG3", which is their private office.
19:20 Speaker 01 So basically, all that to say, Epstein has that type of control over Boris, right? Like, he can make Boris send whatever the hell he wants to send.
19:28 Speaker 00 And all that's to say is, unless, like, in my opinion, in my opinion, I know nothing about Bill Gates. So if I try to blackmail him, it won't work. Not that this worked, but it won't work because none of the information I have on him is true because I don't know him. Blackmail only works when the information is slightly relevant. Maybe it's twisted and exaggerated, or it's like, ah, that's not what really happened, but the optics already look bad. But you can't do it pulling something out of your ass.
19:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
19:59 Speaker 00 So he says, I've decided to resign my position effective immediately with BG3 and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. I have not come to this decision quickly or without a great deal of thought. During the past few weeks, I have been caught up in a severe marital dispute between Melinda and Bill. So this is condensed, but quote, in my role as his right hand, I had been asked on multiple occasions and in hindsight wrongly acquiesced into participating in things that have ranged from the morally inappropriate to the ethically unsound and had been repeatedly asked to do other things that get near or potentially over the line into the illegal. The things listed in the email are, he helped Bill Gates get drugs, it sounds like STD meds. He helped facilitate his affairs with married women and being asked to provide Adderall for Bill Gates' bridge tournaments.
20:43 Speaker 00 So like the nerdiest thing ever, okay. But Boris states, these emails were not written on my behalf.
20:49 Speaker 01 What's bridge? I'm sorry.
20:50 Speaker 00 Bridge is like an old card game. It's like a strategy game with four players. It's like a card thing.
20:56 Speaker 01 Oh, so it's not a sport?
20:58 Speaker 00 Oh, no.
20:59 Speaker 01 Oh, I thought it was a sport, okay.
21:00 Speaker 00 It's like if someone were to ask you to get Adderall for like a chess tournament.
21:04 Speaker 01 Oh, okay, okay. Got it.
21:07 Speaker 00 Yeah, and so Boris states, these emails were not written on my behalf or my request. Epstein inserted himself as a mediator and then used lies to pursue his own agenda. But I guess netizens are wondering, even if it wasn't done with Boris's consent, which even that is up for debate to some netizens, but even if it was done without his consent, would Epstein just make things up out of thin air? And would Bill Gates even care if he did? Gates and his team believe that this is evidence that, quote, this is another example of Epstein's repeated attempts to claim a role in Gates's orbit.
21:42 Speaker 00 Also, we do believe that Boris left and received funding from Bill Gates because he did email and copy Epstein on an email to confirm that he was receiving a wire transfer. The email reads, I see wire transfer for five million dollars in advance. Okay, I don't know. I don't want to say dollars because there's no dollar sign in the email, so don't sue me, but it says like, I see wire transfer for five M. Advance. I'm assuming it's dollars. It could be something else. I'm scared. Just started showing processing. Thank you in all caps. So like, I don't know.
22:15 Speaker 01 Thank you to Bill Gates?
22:17 Speaker 00 No, thank you to, he copied like a different person and then he copied Epstein.
22:21 Speaker 01 Epstein, wow.
22:24 Speaker 00 Yeah, inside note, there is a video of the bridge player, the Russian bridge player, talking about Bill Gates during a bridge conference. So she's the one that had an affair with Bill Gates. She was in her early twenties when she met Bill Gates. Uh, there's a picture of them together. She looks really young. And like early twenties, yeah, you look young, but she looks like really young for her age too. I'm not, that's not me saying that I doubt her age. I'm, I'm not doubting that she was an adult at the time. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying she just looks young. That was an observation that I had. Maybe it's jealousy, you call it whatever, right? But um, she quotes a very famous actress, Mae West, and she says, "Good sex is like good bridge. If you don't have a good partner, you better have a good hand."
23:06 Speaker 00 And she shows a picture of her and Bill Gates and she says that she had always had plans to meet Bill Gates. Nobody believed her. And to give you some context, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are really big bridge players. Like they've invested a lot of money into bridge tournaments. They go to bridge tournaments in like Washington DC, that's how they met. And they will fund bridge tournaments for schools, local schools. So they, they love bridge. They've always been very vocal avid bridge players, which is why some netizens feel like she could be a Russian honeypot. Russian being like the Russian government sends people to go and have romantic relations with high-profile people in other countries to get information for the opposing country because
23:46 Speaker 00 that would be the perfect way, or maybe I watch too many K-dramas, I don't know, but also she was pictured with a Russian spy, anyway. But she says, quote,
23:54 Speaker 01 What do you mean?
23:55 Speaker 00 I'm gonna get into it. There's a whole Russian thing in a second. But she says, "I played against him at the same table at the National Bridge Tournament in Washington DC. I didn't beat him, but I tried to kick him in the leg." And now the top comment on that video now reads, "Bill heard good sex is like good bridge and just went for it." Or quote, "Bill told her it's only micro when it's soft, babe." So Bill Gates has apparently apologized and stated to his Gates Foundation staff, quote, "I did nothing illicit. I saw nothing illicit." He alleges that the pictures that were released in the files with women whose faces were redacted, that was after meetings with Epstein. He, Epstein's assistants wanted to take pictures with him. So he would take pictures with them because they're like, oh my gosh, Bill Gates, I'm Such a huge fan of Microsoft. I don't know what you would say, right?
24:41 Speaker 00 And quote, "It was such a huge mistake to spend time with Epstein. I apologize to other people who were drawn into this because of the mistakes that I made. I never stayed overnight." He states that he never visited the island, though he did fly on a private jet with him and met with him in Germany, France, New York, and Washington. But to his defense, "I never stayed overnight, I guess." As for why he met up with Epstein in 2011, after his crimes were already pretty public, Bill Gates states that he did not properly check Epstein's background. Because, you know, he sees all these high-profile people around Epstein, so he just assumes he's a high-profile person.
25:16 Speaker 00 The way that these people scare me, I went through a rabbit hole. Okay, the whole Bill Gates rabbit hole happened, and then I started just like buying books on some of these other people, because I'm like, they scare me. We should at least know, like when Oracle, I bought a few books on Larry Ellison, because I'm like, Oracle's taking over TikTok. You get the whole vibe. And Paramount, anyway. These people will study their enemies to every little, every core of their being, every cell of their body, just to dismantle them. And these are not big enemies. It's not like Microsoft going after big companies. You're talking about the little fish of the sea, because that's just how these people tend to operate. If you're small up and coming, they will dismantle you for game itself. And you're telling me you never Googled Epstein?
26:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, they don't care.
26:04 Speaker 00 He says, "Knowing what I know now, you know, makes it a hundred times worse in terms of not only his crimes in the past, but now it's clear there was ongoing bad behavior." He says about Melinda Gates, "To give her credit, she has always kind of been skeptical about the Epstein thing." Which like, yes, she has been, vocally so. But also, some people think it's kind of like, um, well, you'll kind of see it with the Clintons later, where a lot of men are using their wife, propping up their wives now, or ex-wife now, but it still benefits them. You know, because it is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And Melinda can continue the legacy. Same with Hillary Clinton. You know, Bill Gates is like, "You guys shouldn't even be talking to my wife. She's never even interacted with Epstein."
26:48 Speaker 00 But it still is going to be beneficial for Bill Clinton. So it's just, it's kind of an annoying feeling, probably for women. Not those women specifically, but women. And though ultimately he admits to no wrongdoing, there's just continuous building suspicion against Bill Gates. Then, you know, sometimes we, the people are very strange. Not as strange as anyone in the emails, but we spend our time doing very odd things, like waiting in line for things just to hope we like it. Like a protein bar. There's this protein part, it comes in like a gold wrapper. We tried it. I ordered a bunch. Okay, I ordered three bars in New York.
27:24 Speaker 01 I'm confused. What are we talking about?
27:26 Speaker 00 The little protein bars in the pantry, they're gold foil.
27:29 Speaker 01 Uh huh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did eat it.
27:32 Speaker 00 How did you like it?
27:33 Speaker 01 It just tastes like those, like really healthy protein bars.
27:37 Speaker 00 So this was a big hyped protein bar, David's Protein Bar.
27:41 Speaker 01 Yes.
27:41 Speaker 00 They launched in twenty twenty four, and when they launched, there were forty thousand customers on the waitlist. The first week, the protein-
27:48 Speaker 01 Forty thousand customers on the waitlist?
27:50 Speaker 00 A waitlist for a protein bar.
27:52 Speaker 01 For, why?
27:53 Speaker 00 The first week, a million dollars in sales. Because the protein bar is a hundred fifty calories and it has twenty eight grams of protein. Nearly unheard of. This is insane. To get that much protein with that little calories.
28:06 Speaker 01 Okay.
28:07 Speaker 00 You can already imagine the type of crowd that you're getting workout obsessed. You're getting Pilates moms, like you're getting all this like crowd foaming at the mouth to pay for really expensive protein bars. People posted on Reddit saying, if it's too good to be true, it's because it is. None of my farts are safe now. Like, there were a lot of joking comments of like, it's so dense, there's no way, like, it just tastes creamy. How is it creamy? Some people are saying that they were diarrheaing. But even with all of that, David Protein Bars is valued at seven hundred twenty five million dollars within a year of launching. And now it's become almost a meme. A Mean Girls meme, Regina George.
28:48 Speaker 01 Okay.
28:49 Speaker 00 Okay, so in the movie Mean Girls, Regina George is the mean girl. And the main character Katie, she gives her these protein bars and she's like, oh, these protein bars help you lose weight. So she only eats these protein bars, but then turns out they're they're basically like um.
29:04 Speaker 01 Extra calorie.
29:04 Speaker 00 Extra calories. And so uh, there was a consumer lab testing done on the protein bar and instead of a hundred fifty calories, each bar was allegedly two hundred and twenty nine calories. And you have to understand, many of the people who consume David's protein bars are tracking their macros. They track their calorie count and instead of the two grams advertised on the label of fat, one bar showed in testing that instead of two grams, there was nine point seven grams of fat in one singular bar. And only about twenty three point six grams of protein rather than twenty eight grams of protein, which leads to a class action calorie lawsuit being filed against David Protein. It's just been damning across the board. Usually the FDA will allow some leeway.
29:46 Speaker 00 So the nutrition labels, there's no way that it's exact and they give about a twenty percent leeway. You can be twenty percent wrong, but most food labels, they stay within like a good lower percentage. But David Protein Bars, some of them were tested at two hundred and seventy one calories after being advertised as having a hundred and fifty calories. However, I will note this is huge. David Protein is fighting this. They're reportedly planning to countersue and they state that the lab tests are simply wrong. And it's because they use a very special ingredient, E P G, and it's non digestible. So it actually cannot be metabolized by the body. So the way that calories are tested, the way that they're saying the other people have been testing it, they're looking for energy output.
30:30 Speaker 00 Whereas there's some energy in there that is not going to be metabolized by the human body.
30:36 Speaker 01 Okay.
30:36 Speaker 00 So you're not actually, if you're not metabolizing the calories, you can't count that as the calories. Right? But that weirdly is not the biggest scandal to hit David's protein bars recently. The biggest scandal is Peter Attia.
30:51 Speaker 00 The chief science officer for David protein bars is in the files. Peter Attia has always been occasionally controversial in the longevity space. Who, you know, he was on the quest of trying to, the doctor.
31:06 Speaker 01 The famous, um.
31:07 Speaker 00 Yeah. Mm hmm.
31:09 Speaker 01 What?
31:10 Speaker 00 Peter Attia.
31:11 Speaker 01 Wow.
31:11 Speaker 00 He was on the quest of figuring out, why are Americans so fat? Those are the major headlines involving Peter Attia for the longest time. Those, that, those are the words they use. And I don't know, maybe because we're all depressed eating because nobody's being held accountable or really investigated uh for even being in the Epstein files. And maybe we're not fat, maybe we're just not invisible to the naked eye, okay? But he has a small bespoke clinic of high paying clients. You can't even get in unless you're someone with deep, deep pockets like Hugh Jackman.
31:41 Speaker 01 The, is he a doctor?
31:43 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:44 Speaker 01 The X-Men?
31:44 Speaker 00 Yeah, and tech founders, and I'm not saying Hugh Jackman knows about any of this. Like, these emails are between Peter Attia and Epstein, you know? But he's the longevity guy for the rich. Go get a $3,000 elective MRI scan. Go spend X amount of money on this and that, and this and that, and take time off of work to exercise. Obviously, that's an exaggeration, but that's where much of the controversy at least is from the beginning. Peter Attia wants to say, if you're not even gonna invest in your health, what are you gonna invest in? Like, he's that type of guy. So what the hell are you doing with Epstein? June 2015, Peter Attia sends Epstein in an email. The subject line is, got a fresh shipment. The picture that he includes in the email is Metformin bottles.
32:28 Speaker 01 Metformin?
32:29 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
32:29 Speaker 01 What's Metformin again?
32:30 Speaker 00 It's, I think it's like the anti diabetic prescription drug that people would take for longevity. It's like one of the longevity ones, along with like the elective GLP ones that everyone who wants to be fucking immortal takes these days. And I'm like, why do you wanna live forever? The world is ending. This is crazy. We're just trying to live to tomorrow, and you guys wanna live until you're 2,000 years old? Epstein responds, me too. And he sends a photo of a woman that is redacted. Peter responds, please tell me you found that picture online, bastard, dot, dot, dot. Epstein responds, afraid not. Peter, you know the biggest problem with becoming friends with you? The life you lead is so outrageous, and yet I can't tell a soul, dot, dot, dot.
33:13 Speaker 01 That's crazy, man.
33:15 Speaker 00 Peter Attia also sends Epstein's assistant an email. I go into J E withdrawal when I don't see him. Jeffrey Epstein withdrawal.
33:24 Speaker 01 Oh.
33:25 Speaker 00 Okay, Peter Attia is in the boat with like Elon Musk, where it's like they're so desperate to be on Epstein's island.
33:31 Speaker 01 Has he, okay, is there more about him?
33:34 Speaker 00 He also emails Epstein, pussy is indeed low carb, still awaiting results on gluten content, though, which netizens are disgusted commenting at him. You also have a daughter, and also Peter Attia is a physician. He's not, he didn't go through residency because he dropped out to be like a longevity doctor, but so I don't know if he can actually practice in hospitals. That was like another controversy of his, like, he's not like a real doctor, like, why would you want him as your doctor? If he can't operate on you or like help you in most major hospitals you go to. Anyway, for him to associate with Epstein after two thousand and eight, and then to talk about women's body parts like that while being a physician, while having a daughter, while being morally bankrupt, in my opinion, feels personally
34:13 Speaker 00 past the point of just being a bit alarming. Peter Attia has since posted a statement, once these emails have gotten viral. That reads, the following email is what I sent to my team last night. I sent a similar version to my patients also. And it's like this long little, my fault, my fault, okay? But not really my fault. He expresses that he let everyone down, but also he was not involved in any criminal activity, that he was never on the plane, island, or present at any sex party. But he does admit to being at Jeffrey Epstein's New York City home on seven to eight different occasions, and he did email Epstein that he would like to visit the island. Quote, I need to visit sometime. So Peter, I don't know if it's the fact that you didn't go to the island out of your own moral judgment, but rather
34:55 Speaker 00 you didn't get the invite. He also states that he never went to Zorro Ranch, which is the massive New Mexico compound that Epstein had. But again, he had planned a visit to the New Mexico ranch, but Epstein canceled on him. He also weirdly writes, I met Epstein in two thousand and fourteen, a prominent female healthcare leader while I was raising funds for scientific research, introduced us. It's giving a little, it's always a woman's fault.
35:23 Speaker 00 Who cares who introduced you? He says, "I'm not asking for a pass from you. I'm not asking anyone to ignore the emails or pretend they aren't ugly. They simply are. The man I am today, roughly 10 years later, would not write them and would not associate with Epstein at all. Whatever growth I've had over the past decade does not erase the emails I wrote then." I do want to note, when he wrote those emails, he was like 42 years old, so... It's not like he was like a 12-year-old boy. He was 42. So I note, there is a running theory backed by an email in the Epstein files, where Peter Attia is emailing Epstein to confirm a meeting with him in New York City. And his wife is home in San Diego. And their infant son just suffered from cardiac arrest.
36:08 Speaker 00 So Peter Attia is in New York City-
36:10 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
36:10 Speaker 00 And he wrote about this in his book.
36:12 Speaker 01 Yes, yes, yes.
36:13 Speaker 00 He's in New York City, working on business. His wife and his son are back home in San Diego, and his infant son suffers from cardiac arrest. And his wife is, I believe thankfully, a nurse and was able to, like, take him to the hospital, perform CPR. It was a whole thing. And she's begging him to come home. He said that he, he writes in his book that he, quote, "I stayed in New York, busy with my, quote, 'important work.' Redacted son cardiac arrest happened on a Tuesday, but I did not come home to San Diego until Friday of the following week, 10 days later." I mean, this is all, like, in the public eye. So people were able to find the exact dates that they think the cardiac arrest happened, because, you know, it's a big life event. They've been talking about it before.
36:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:49 Speaker 00 They cross-reference with the emails, and while he's in New York, he's emailing Epstein to meet with Epstein while his son is under cardiac arrest.
37:01 Speaker 01 That's crazy.
37:02 Speaker 00 Also, in his overly-long, rather full of shit and carbs statement, he's got a thing with carbs, anyway. He says that he didn't know Epstein was a bad person. He never Googled him, I guess. But in 2018, the Miami Herald came out with an expose on Epstein. And that's when Peter Attia, he says, was repulsed. He said, "I was disgusted." Insert dramatic word that he probably doesn't ever mean. That's what Peter says. But there are emails where, four days after the Miami Herald investigation is published, Peter Attia emails Epstein in a thread titled, "Are you in Florida?" And he asks, you know, "What is the fallout from the recent story?" Epstein responds, "Same as usual, just tougher. Legally, any change? Zero."
37:44 Speaker 00 Peter Attia appears to have stepped down from David Protein Bars, AG1, and 8 Sleep, where he was all on like a he was also like a CBS consulting correspondent along with, he was like the newest round of announcements along with Andrew Huberman and yeah.
38:02 Speaker 01 On what CBS?
38:03 Speaker 00 Yeah, as like a correspondent doctor.
38:06 Speaker 01 Oh, okay.
38:08 Speaker 00 And many medicines wish upon Peter Attia strong, deep, everlasting emotional pain. And I think the longevity is melting his brain.
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39:27 Speaker 00 Now, other key resignations include Brad Karp, chairman of Paul Weiss Law Firm, which this is like a huge, big law, law firm. He resigned from his chairmanship after 18 years and people, like a lot of people were making a big deal about it because it's like, oh, finally justice, right? Um, he still remains at the firm as a partner. He's making a shit ton of money. And also apparently he had been planning on stepping down his chair even before all of this because he suffered from a heart attack last January. So this isn't even something that he's having to do for justice.
39:58 Speaker 01 What did he do? Just emailing or?
40:00 Speaker 00 Yeah, and I believe he was at one point representing Leon Black.
40:06 Speaker 00 Remember the head of Apollo, the hedge fund, that Epstein was like, if I were you, I'd give me forty million dollars.
40:13 Speaker 01 Hmm.
40:14 Speaker 00 Remember?
40:14 Speaker 01 Hmm.
40:16 Speaker 00 But Brad Karp has also been seen in the files emailing Epstein, not about Leon Black, but quote, Jeffrey, I can't thank you enough for including me in an evening I'll never forget. It was truly, quote, once in a lifetime in every way, though I hope to be invited again. You are an extraordinary host and you're home, dot, dot, dot, exclamation, exclamation. Thanks again. See you soon, Brad. Epstein responds, you are always welcome. There are many, many nights of unique talents. You will be invited often. Then Brad Karp responds, you are amazing. Thank you. And I don't know, for all the alarming reasons, he wanted perhaps to use nepotism? This is a weird one, to get his son in a Woody Allen movie? So Epstein has always been very good friends with the disgraced filmmaker Woody Allen.
40:59 Speaker 00 And he says, Jeffrey, can I raise a personal issue with you concerning my son David? As I mentioned, he graduated Cornell last weekend and is hoping to work on interesting projects and make films this year and then hopefully attend NYU in the fall of 2017. David is working on a project for a Peruvian company in Lima from mid-June through mid-July. He would love to work in any capacity with Woody on his upcoming film project if that's a possibility. He certainly doesn't need to be paid and he's a really good talented kid. Thanks so much, Brad. Then you have Faith Kates, who owns a modeling agency that represents a ton of incredible models. Obviously, she's not a reflection of those models or the talent. And then she also represents like Diplo, I don't know. She's since retired. But the emails have been released and of course, she writes to Epstein, I know you
41:43 Speaker 00 don't believe this, but I really do love you like a brother. Is your brother a trafficker too? Perhaps? And I feel so sad this is happening. Lay very low and quiet. You should know who your friends are. The rest are a piece of crap.
41:56 Speaker 01 The fuck? Like, when did she send this?
41:58 Speaker 00 After his 2008. Conviction. But these are all just, uh, there's a bunch of other resignations, but these are all just resignations. These are rich and typically old people taking early retirement. And those are just the business people. That's not taking into account all the failed parts that made Epstein who he is. A tiny group of people are resigning, but what about everything else, like the system itself? It's revealed through the files that back in 2015, the DEA Drug Enforcement Administration opened an investigation into Epstein and at least a dozen other individuals. They were investigating money laundering, drug trafficking, funding and distributing ecstasy, ketamine and methamphetamines.
42:38 Speaker 00 So the DEA is investigating additionally for Epstein's proclivity to procure Eastern European sex workers for high-profile clients. That was another thing that was open in this investigation, which begs the question, just how much did the feds know about Epstein's crimes for how long? Because documentation of his crimes go back in the Justice Department to the nineties. Not even like, oh, to 2002, before the 2008, to the nineties. And if the feds knew about him, is it really believable that none of these high-powered people knew anything about him? Because I feel like, I feel like I would be more nervous for a background check
43:17 Speaker 00 to be a right-hand person to someone like Bill Gates than a government background check.
43:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
43:26 Speaker 00 I'm like, I feel like you'd be 20 times more thorough.
43:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:29 Speaker 00 Though I will say, the DEA investigation went through a secret unit and it's the same unit that apparently had a lead role in capturing El Chapo. So this is like, I guess, a highly focused unit. And it doesn't seem like the feds at the DEA thought that this was just a giggle gaggle. Oh, look, this is a rich guy doing ecstasy with his rich friends type of situation. They even ran a target profile on Epstein, which they will go and scrub a person up and down. They'll get all their financial transactions and comb through them for any suspicious activity. They're looking into you and his profile states illegitimate wire transfers, which are tied to illicit drug and/or prostitution activities occurring in the US Virgin Islands and New York City. The memo notes that from 2013 to 2015, banks alerted the feds for about at least 5.7 million dollars in potentially suspicious transactions regarding Epstein's accounts.
44:18 Speaker 00 Then apparently, in a separate investigation by the same secret unit of the DEA, they were looking into human trafficking and drug trafficking tied to Russian organized crime, and Epstein's name comes up repeatedly in that case as well. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon State states, "To this day, there has not been a comprehensive 'follow the money' investigation of Epstein's network performed by any federal law enforcement agency. I find that totally inexcusable." So now, there's all these whispers about, "Is Epstein connected to Israel? Is Epstein connected to Russia?" Because Bill Gates and Russian girls, and there's a lot of Eastern European women that were victimized by Epstein. And the Epstein and Russia ties have only gotten stronger with the newly released files, because for years Epstein was trying to get a meeting with Putin himself. Remember, he was cozying up to the Prime Minister of Norway,
45:03 Speaker 00 saying things like, "I know you're going to meet Putin on the 20th. He is desperate to engage Western investment in his country. I have his solution." Another email is a bit more enthusiastic and casual. "Would love to meet with Putin!" Exclamation. But again, there's no evidence that the meeting of Epstein's dreams ever came to fruition. Putin's name appears more than 1,000 times in the released files, but most of that are references from the news clippings and Epstein talking about Putin, rather than any sort of meaningful correspondence. There is an individual, though, that has definitely raised a lot of alarms in the files. Belikov. So Belikov was the Russian Deputy Economic Development Minister, and he becomes fast friends with Epstein.
45:44 Speaker 00 He would send him cryptic-sounding emails that now, in my opinion, sound a bit ominous, but, "Our meeting was really interesting for me. I do not know many people like you who can open newer horizons and prospects." He also thanks Epstein at one point for a gift. But the most alarming email is Epstein emails Belikov, July 24, 2015. "I need a favor. There is a Russian girl from Moscow. She is attempting to blackmail a group of powerful businessmen in New York. It's bad for business for everyone involved. Suggestions?"
46:17 Speaker 00 Now, there is a situation where Leon Black, Apollo hedge fund manager, he was blackmailed by a woman, a Russian woman that he had an affair with, but he says businessmen. So this could mean multiple, maybe it's just referencing Leon Black, we don't really know. Epstein says that this woman was claiming ridiculous, nonsensical things that have never happened before in the history of this planet, such as, quote, "powerful men taking advantage of women like her." Beliakov, according to the files, offers to meet up with someone who knows said woman, and he alleges that she's in the sex and escort business. And in another email drafted presumably for the Moscow woman, Epstein writes, "I've decided to help you.
46:59 Speaker 00 However, I am very disappointed by the fact that you felt it necessary to threaten me. I think you should apologize to me. You and I have been together a long time, so I know you must have been quite upset to do such an outrageous thing. You should also know that I felt it necessary to contact some friends at FSB", which, okay, kind of, but not really, but just for simplicity's sake, is like the Russian FBI. "They explained it to me that in no uncertain terms, that especially right now, when Russia is trying to bring in outside investors, as you know, the economy there sucks and desperately needs investment, that a person that would attempt to blackmail a businessman would immediately become the enemy of the people and would be dealt with extremely harshly. So I expect never, ever to hear a threat from you again.
47:43 Speaker 00 That being said, I think $50,000 per month for the next two years", which would equate to $1.2 million. "And I will help you get a visa", is very generous. "If you decide to stay in Moscow, that's also okay with me."
47:55 Speaker 01 Wow.
47:56 Speaker 00 That's why I think it's a different businessman from Leon Black, because Leon Black had this whole, it was a big fiasco, and he ended up paying quite a bit. And then countersued her attorneys, she was at one point, he sued her and her attorneys, Doug Wigder's firm that represented Cassie Ventura in the Diddy case. I mean, it's still represent, but like, you know.
48:18 Speaker 00 So a lot of Russian connections in the files. And another odd one is that when Trump takes office for the first time back in 2016, Belikov sends Epstein a message, "Congrats on your president." Epstein responds with one word: fun. And back to the bridge, right? So unrelated to Trump, but the Russia connection. Bill Gates was having an affair with a Russian bridge player. She was photographed with Anna Chapman, who has been deported from the United States on charges of espionage. Basically, people believe that Anna Chapman is a Russian spy. That has led a lot of netizens to believe that perhaps Bill Gates's mistress was also a honeypot sent by Russia, but that's just a personal thought netizens are having.
49:03 Speaker 00 It's just been weird.
49:06 Speaker 01 Why is it called honeypot?
49:08 Speaker 00 It's like a honey trap. Yeah. And now, I mean, at this point, this is where I'm gonna leave you with the second audio because there's gonna be a third part to all of this where we're gonna go through the depositions and what's been going on with Trump and the files. There's a lot there. Also, they're, they want to subpoena, they haven't subpoenaed, but they do want to interview so far as of the day that I'm filming this. The House Committee has stated that they want to interview one of the prison guards, a transcribed interview, a prison guard when Epstein died because it just released in the files that she was Googling him before he was found dead. There's so much happening in part three, but I'm gonna leave you with a few things
49:50 Speaker 00 to expect because Republican Representative Jamie Raskin, along with a few others, Ro Khanna and others, were able to view the unredacted files. So members of the House Oversight Committee are allowed to come in and go through the files, unredacted files, but apparently you can only have four members and there's only four computers and you can only be there from nine to five to view their unredacted files on those computers only. That itself has been heavily criticized. Representative Jamie Raskin told Axios that he was able to go see the unredacted Epstein files and Trump's name was in there, quote, "more than a million times." It's been reported that Trump told a police chief at the time looking into Epstein in the early 2000s and allegedly told them, quote, "Everyone has known that he's been doing this," and suggested that the police chief should also look into Maxwell as well
50:35 Speaker 00 because, quote, "She's evil and to focus on her." That's what a lot of people are alleging and... And there's more in the files about that that has been redacted as the allegation. And there's just, there were like 16 pages that were not released, that were later found and then re-uploaded that have to do with Trump. And there's just a lot of allegations and just a lot of things that are going on. So with that being said, that is where I leave you with part one and part two, and I will see you in part three very, very soon. Stay safe. The Hulu original series Phony is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus. Sonny's life is pretty great until he wakes up from a car accident to a world that looks
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