Camila Cabello + Nut Butter

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

• 0:04Benito Skinner?

  I'm Benito Skinner.

• 0:05Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm Mary Beth Brown.

• 0:06Benito Skinner?

  And this.

• 0:07Mary Beth Barone?

  Is.

• 0:08Benito Skinner?

  Ride.

• 0:13Benito Skinner?

  Could you close your eyes and pretend my body's your ego? He could go all night long if it's not about me. Though if you wanna see a thing, then I'm gonna feel my waist.

• 0:25Mary Beth Barone?

  I don't know how. What's up?

• 0:26Benito Skinner?

  That's.

• 0:28Mary Beth Barone?

  A lister. That's actually ego.

• 0:31Benito Skinner?

  Oh, that's ego. What's the A-lister one?

• 0:33Mary Beth Barone?

  Um, we should reach for the stars and if we get it, I want more. What's the sound of the stars?

• 0:38Benito Skinner?

  Romi Mars.

• 0:39Mary Beth Barone?

  Romi Mars, you have our attention.

• 0:41Benito Skinner?

  We don't have many. We don't have many heroes in battle, but we have her and we also have, I think he's got a girl. Girl. Oh.

• 0:54Mary Beth Barone?

  Oh.

• 0:55Benito Skinner?

  I think he's got a girl.

• 0:57Mary Beth Barone?

  Sorry, that just dropped, so I'm.

• 1:02Mary Beth Barone?

  It did, right?

• 1:03Benito Skinner?

  So, like, poor women who have to be around gay guys.

• 1:08Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, I'm like.

• 1:08Benito Skinner?

  That just dropped, right?

• 1:10Mary Beth Barone?

  Someone said that you're like, you're like a sound, like you're like a sound machine that wishes to be a human.

• 1:17Benito Skinner?

  It's so true. I didn't know. I'm like, what is that, like Clogsworth? Like, I feel like I'm getting away with it, though.

• 1:22Mary Beth Barone?

  Clogsworth.

• 1:23Benito Skinner?

  I think I'm getting away with it.

• 1:25Mary Beth Barone?

  Oh.

• 1:26Benito Skinner?

  I had this.

• 1:26Mary Beth Barone?

  Barely.

• 1:29Benito Skinner?

  I had this, um, straight friend in college and he had the funniest, I don't, I haven't seen him in years.

• 1:36Mary Beth Barone?

  Was it Calvin Millions?

• 1:37Benito Skinner?

  No, no, it wasn't actually. I love him. Calvin, if you're watching.

• 1:43Benito Skinner?

  It was this guy and he had this theory that High School Musical was actually made by aliens and it's them trying their best to be what humans are.

• 1:50Mary Beth Barone?

  I love that.

• 1:51Benito Skinner?

  But they didn't quite get it.

• 1:52Mary Beth Barone?

  They didn't quite get it. I have some friends like that. They're close.

• 1:56Benito Skinner?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:57Mary Beth Barone?

  They're not quite, they're not passing the Turing test for me.

• 2:01Benito Skinner?

  There's at least five people in our, that we share in common.

• 2:04Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 2:05Benito Skinner?

  That I'm like, I'm not, hmm, you know, like Blade Runner replicants?

• 2:09Mary Beth Barone?

  Totally.

• 2:10Benito Skinner?

  That's all I'm saying.

• 2:11Mary Beth Barone?

  And that can be so scary.

• 2:12Benito Skinner?

  Yes, but that's New Slater I was singing, I Think He's Got a Girl. She's on a generational run of singles right now.

• 2:19Mary Beth Barone?

  It's like, it's honestly like, it's hard to keep up with.

• 2:22Benito Skinner?

  I know, because.

• 2:22Mary Beth Barone?

  But it's not because I don't want to. It's just because when I like a song, I'm gonna listen to it upwards of 1,000 times.

• 2:27Benito Skinner?

  I know. Like, when I made you a playlist, I was like, she's gonna be with these songs for five years.

• 2:31Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm listening to that playlist weekly still.

• 2:33Benito Skinner?

  You're still on melodrama.

• 2:34Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm still on melodrama, Kay.

• 2:35Benito Skinner?

  Seriously, you look really beautiful today.

• 2:37Mary Beth Barone?

  Thank you.

• 2:38Benito Skinner?

  Did you do this makeup?

• 2:39Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, I'll tell you, but we'll bleep it. It was my.

• 2:42Benito Skinner?

  Well, hey, you passed. Let me grade it. A plus.

• 2:46Mary Beth Barone?

  A plus. While we're talking, I'll tell you after.

• 2:49Benito Skinner?

  Cool.

• 2:49Mary Beth Barone?

  While we're talking about music, I almost said dinner, but while we're talking about music, I did, I'm engaging more with straight male culture lately, just to like observe them and see what makes them tick.

• 2:59Benito Skinner?

  Hey, I'm sick of all these whores dressing up in A-lo.

• 3:04Benito Skinner?

  That's my monologue for SNL.

• 3:05Mary Beth Barone?

  SNL.

• 3:07Benito Skinner?

  When do bitches get so bitchy? That's me doing it.

• 3:11Mary Beth Barone?

  When do the bitches become whores?

• 3:13Benito Skinner?

  So when did these bitches turn into cunts and then I beat off?

• 3:16Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, and you come, you ejaculate.

• 3:18Benito Skinner?

  Of course I come.

• 3:19Mary Beth Barone?

  You code a completion and it doesn't matter how long it takes.

• 3:24Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 3:25Mary Beth Barone?

  So I went to something for the more gentle.

• 3:27Benito Skinner?

  To him, I say get hard. Oh, you know that he finished that monologue and he got to the SNL after party and behind him he heard, is this he taking? Daddy.

• 3:37Mary Beth Barone?

  Daddy was there.

• 3:38Benito Skinner?

  Daddy had so much to say to him.

• 3:41Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, and it could be a fly on the wall.

• 3:43Benito Skinner?

  She had pressed white strips in.

• 3:44Mary Beth Barone?

  At Chipriani on the water.

• 3:46Benito Skinner?

  She didn't know that she had to do that, but then she watched SNL and she's like, fuck, I already have my pressed white strips in.

• 3:51Mary Beth Barone?

  And the boots.

• 3:52Benito Skinner?

  She put a lip combo on it. She put on her Uggs to the,

• 3:57Benito Skinner?

  to the roast beast. And she hit the, she hit the pavement and he had a crazy night that night.

• 4:03Mary Beth Barone?

  Needless to say, I went to see the Cameron Winters at Carnegie Hall screening for New York Film Festival. So Paul Thomas Anderson, uh, plucked this guy Cameron Winters from Obscurity. He's the lead singer of Geese. And Cameron Winters, yeah.

• 4:17Benito Skinner?

  This is not really.

• 4:17Mary Beth Barone?

  I had never heard a Geese song before.

• 4:19Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, I.

• 4:20Mary Beth Barone?

  But this was his solo work. It was just him and a piano at Carnegie Hall. I was genuinely so moved by this, by the whole experience. I actually was crying. The lyrics are incredible, first of all. I just wanna say incredibly gifted songwriter, but just the fact that a bunch of humans came together on a Thursday night at a giant theater to watch a performance that was done previously and shot on film? Just like, I don't know, you know, when you have those moments where you just go like, humans are so cute, like.

• 4:47Benito Skinner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:48Mary Beth Barone?

  That everybody felt like they should just like, put on a little outfit and go to that screening. And I went with Sydney Washington and we ran in, we ran into Andy D Young at the screening as well.

• 4:56Benito Skinner?

  Wow, I didn't know it was Legends Night.

• 4:58Mary Beth Barone?

  It was Legends Night and I really like the music, because they released it as an album and I'm really enjoying it. So I just wanted to say that like, there are some good male singers out there. I don't know anything about him personally, but I, I enjoyed participating in this, in this thing that I did.

• 5:14Benito Skinner?

  Well, Sombra has one song that I heard in an Uber with six gay guys. I couldn't tell you.

• 5:20Mary Beth Barone?

  I like 12 to 12 and Homewrecker.

• 5:23Benito Skinner?

  So it wasn't either of those, if I had to say. But there's one where it's like, I'm trying to think of the chorus. Do you know the Sombra, the Sombra of it all?

• 5:34Mary Beth Barone?

  Sombra verse? Are you familiar with the Sombra verse?

• 5:36Benito Skinner?

  So do you know the Sombra verse, sister? But, so male singers are interesting to me. We'll see.

• 5:42Mary Beth Barone?

  Hey, we're dipping our toe in and the water's warm.

• 5:45Benito Skinner?

  We'll see.

• 5:46Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm not ready to dive in headfirst just yet.

• 5:47Benito Skinner?

  Straight guys, I feel like really love Phoebe Bridgers. I'm correct in that, right?

• 5:51Mary Beth Barone?

  That's the something we can all agree on.

• 5:52Benito Skinner?

  Maybe that's as close, it's kind of, yeah, it's like, she's like the one unifying thing. That album, I'll ride for it in, in 2040.

• 6:00Mary Beth Barone?

  17 years.

• 6:01Benito Skinner?

  Because holy shit.

• 6:02Mary Beth Barone?

  My friends went to a wedding and the dress code was aloha formal. I just wanted to put that on your, in front of you. The concept of aloha formal was something I just thought could be really powerful.

• 6:12Benito Skinner?

  Well, aloha formal, immediately I'm, I'm seeing linen, I'm seeing floral, but in a different way. I'm seeing woven belts, woven shoes. I'm seeing, um, slick buns.

• 6:23Mary Beth Barone?

  Yes.

• 6:24Benito Skinner?

  Are we balding more because of the slick buns? I wonder if a dermatologist could just stitch this and see what they could find, because it just seems like those are really tight.

• 6:34Mary Beth Barone?

  They definitely have, yeah.

• 6:36Benito Skinner?

  And might I say, I would do it every day.

• 6:38Mary Beth Barone?

  Headache.

• 6:38Benito Skinner?

  I, I, that's what it looks like.

• 6:40Mary Beth Barone?

  I had it for a whole day the other week and I got a headache that was really bad.

• 6:44Benito Skinner?

  My, just like immediately I'm saying aloha, let's leave it a little loose. Let's let the curls out. Let's have a little fun.

• 6:50Mary Beth Barone?

  Skin.

• 6:51Benito Skinner?

  Yes.

• 6:51Mary Beth Barone?

  What is, what, why does it make people so angry when men wear flip flops? It's just something that I don't personally care about that much, but it seems to be like, it's like, there's two types of people, the people that care and the ones that don't.

• 7:03Benito Skinner?

  About it in ways that.

• 7:04Mary Beth Barone?

  What is the politics there?

• 7:06Benito Skinner?

  So it's funny, it is something, I was trying, I wore them to a few places in London and it would, they were commented on a lot. And I was like.

• 7:13Mary Beth Barone?

  It's a, it's a shoe.

• 7:14Benito Skinner?

  I have one thing and this is, this is spa privilege, but.

• 7:18Mary Beth Barone?

  Right.

• 7:18Benito Skinner?

  Let's get the pedicure if you're gonna have the dogs out all the time.

• 7:21Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 7:21Benito Skinner?

  Let's take care of them, but I, I, I don't know, I'm finding I care about so little. Like as far as things that really just irk me.

• 7:31Mary Beth Barone?

  It doesn't irk me. I'm not noticing.

• 7:32Benito Skinner?

  Thing I'm finding is that I walk into a CVS and I'm not a good person anymore because of waiting for them to unlock those cages.

• 7:39Mary Beth Barone?

  And thank you for bringing this up.

• 7:41Benito Skinner?

  Give me the toner. Give me the, I'm like, I'm sorry, there's no way you're losing enough money for this to be, and I'm, the people come, and I know I've already talked about this, but the people working there come over and I, I feel so awful that they have to spend all day being the keeper of the keys.

• 7:57Mary Beth Barone?

  I know.

• 7:58Benito Skinner?

  It's crazy.

• 7:59Mary Beth Barone?

  Here's what I'll, I'll meet you with, which is that I went to Stanford a couple of weekends ago.

• 8:04Benito Skinner?

  Was it raw?

• 8:05Mary Beth Barone?

  It's like this, the products can roam free around the store.

• 8:09Benito Skinner?

  They feel so good.

• 8:10Mary Beth Barone?

  They feel good.

• 8:11Benito Skinner?

  And sometimes they can be placed elsewhere, fucked up.

• 8:14Mary Beth Barone?

  What's it when they like, it's like free range? It's like the chickens that they raise? Well, sort of.

• 8:20Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, the purge.

• 8:21Mary Beth Barone?

  But it's like when chickens are raised like ethically or whatever, it's like, that's the products at the suburbs, CVS. Like, they just get to do what they want.

• 8:28Benito Skinner?

  No, when I was in Idaho, like during Christmas.

• 8:30Mary Beth Barone?

  I drove a car, I loaded up, I spent a couple hundred dollars, I bought a curling iron, because I didn't have that size barrel.

• 8:35Benito Skinner?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 8:36Mary Beth Barone?

  And guess what? I just, I just picked it right off the shelf. And it, I, I actually thought about, it was a premeditated CVS trip, because I go, I'm going to the suburbs this weekend. I get to drive my mom's Lexus to CVS.

• 8:46Benito Skinner?

  Oh, my god.

• 8:47Mary Beth Barone?

  Put a bunch of stuff, self-checkout, no problem.

• 8:49Benito Skinner?

  I'd go like this to the native section and dump them, even though it's not, I don't know if it's totally working for my.

• 8:55Mary Beth Barone?

  I just think like, if you live in a city and you have any trips planned this fall, stop at a CVS and just like feel your fantasy.

• 9:03Benito Skinner?

  Shoe tips are behind the fucking glass. I, it's just crazy. Makeup wipe. There's actually nothing that's not. It's, it's unbelievable. And the one right by you?

• 9:15Mary Beth Barone?

  It's the worst CVS in the country.

• 9:17Benito Skinner?

  They say it's up at the register.

• 9:18Mary Beth Barone?

  I've been to them all.

• 9:20Benito Skinner?

  Well, that's the one where also I went to the allergies and she said, I actually just don't have the key for this. And we both just started laughing.

• 9:26Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, you have to laugh at that point.

• 9:27Benito Skinner?

  We were like, well, that's incredible.

• 9:28Mary Beth Barone?

  So you're not going to move any of those units is my thing.

• 9:30Benito Skinner?

  So that's just kind of lockdown. At this point, it's a museum.

• 9:33Mary Beth Barone?

  So it's an exhibit.

• 9:35Benito Skinner?

  Yeah.

• 9:35Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 9:36Benito Skinner?

  No, honey, I'm at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

• 9:38Mary Beth Barone?

  It's a free exhibit.

• 9:39Benito Skinner?

  Yes.

• 9:39Mary Beth Barone?

  Pay zero dollars to enter.

• 9:40Benito Skinner?

  So I, if I had to die for something, it would be that I just don't think those companies are losing enough money to warrant that.

• 9:47Mary Beth Barone?

  I don't either because, I mean, I actually can't even get into the P and L. I can't get into the P and L of it all.

• 9:53Benito Skinner?

  Of course not.

• 9:54Mary Beth Barone?

  Because now we have self-checkout. So it's, anyway, let's talk about coffee tasting like barbecue sauce, which is something you added.

• 10:01Benito Skinner?

  That's it?

• 10:01Mary Beth Barone?

  In a fit of rage, I can only imagine.

• 10:03Benito Skinner?

  Actually, no, I was happy.

• 10:06Mary Beth Barone?

  You were smiling?

• 10:07Benito Skinner?

  I was smiling through it. Just sometimes, I don't know if it's like the, I mean, it's gotta be long COVID.

• 10:13Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, it's long COVID.

• 10:14Benito Skinner?

  Well, it's long COVID. It's just a couple of things, kind of lose your taste. Coffee's barbecue sauce. Just occasionally, whatever concoction I make with coffee, it tastes like barbecue sauce. I'm not saying it in a bad way.

• 10:25Mary Beth Barone?

  What are you putting in there, though?

• 10:26Benito Skinner?

  I don't necessarily know, but it's like, maybe I'm like, taking something in the morning, like a supplement, is then making it taste like barbecue sauce.

• 10:32Mary Beth Barone?

  Like something on the tongue?

• 10:33Benito Skinner?

  Cause I like have some, you know?

• 10:34Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 10:34Benito Skinner?

  Which also like creatine is just crazy.

• 10:37Mary Beth Barone?

  Oh, I need to start taking that apparently for memory or something?

• 10:40Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's amazing for everything, except all of a sudden, sometimes your shirts don't fit. Because I'll be in the gym and I'll be like ten more. Like, it's Hulkamania.

• 10:49Mary Beth Barone?

  I did want to just comment on the fact that I'm dressed for, I'm dressed like a middle school boy at a sleepover and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

• 10:55Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, me too.

• 10:55Mary Beth Barone?

  We're at the same sleepover, but we're bringing different personalities.

• 10:58Benito Skinner?

  Well, I'm sitting with the mother.

• 11:00Mary Beth Barone?

  And I'm just like with the guys, just like, how do I play this video game?

• 11:03Benito Skinner?

  You're like, what is this? And you have the sleeves down.

• 11:07Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm like this.

• 11:07Benito Skinner?

  What is this?

• 11:09Mary Beth Barone?

  When we don't have the air on in here and we feel like we're gonna fall asleep, do you remember those photo shoots of like babies in like planters and they were like, they looked like flowers? They were styled down.

• 11:19Benito Skinner?

  There's a Teletubbies, that's getting like confused with the baby sun Teletubbies to me. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

• 11:26Mary Beth Barone?

  And the woman who took the photos would keep the rooms like at like a perfect temperature to make babies fall asleep. And so when we didn't have the air on earlier and we started to short circuit, it just made me think of like, there is a temperature you can reach where it is just like, it lures you to sleep.

• 11:42Benito Skinner?

  Siren song.

• 11:43Mary Beth Barone?

  It's a siren song. So I'm glad that we have the air on and it's okay, because we're only human.

• 11:48Benito Skinner?

  Oh my God. Yeah, I'm sorry, you guys. I just, if we don't have it, I like, when I say the words get caught in my back, if it's hot out, I'm just like, I'm actually, I'm cooked. I'm totally cooked.

• 11:59Mary Beth Barone?

  I guess it's time for us to talk about something that we talk about every single day, even when we're not here on the podcast.

• 12:05Benito Skinner?

  It's Sophie Pavitt time. So I met Sophie Pavitt, actually, all the way back in like 2017, I think, was my first facial. It completely rocked my world. And during that time, she was developing what is now Sophie Pavitt Face, which is, it's a revolution. They sell it in the Sephora in Boise, Idaho, no less.

• 12:22Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 12:22Benito Skinner?

  But that mandelic clearing serum, it has cleared my sister's skin, my skin, your skin in a huge way. My God, you were going through it.

• 12:30Mary Beth Barone?

  I was a dog.

• 12:33Benito Skinner?

  She's the acne whisperer, for a reason.

• 12:35Mary Beth Barone?

  So Sophie Pavitt is a licensed esthetician known as NYC's Acne Whisperer with celebrity and it girl clients, including us.

• 12:42Benito Skinner?

  Alistair! I'm a fucking Alistair!

• 12:46Mary Beth Barone?

  She has over a decade treating real skin in her New York studio. I use the face wash and the hydrating moisturizer. And now there's one with sunscreen where it's SPF.

• 12:54Benito Skinner?

  How about I tell you my favorite?

• 12:56Mary Beth Barone?

  Please?

• 12:57Benito Skinner?

  So the Nice Ice is, that's what I'm talking about. I use it every day on set. Depuff this little rosacea face. Come out, come out, come out. And usually my skin hates niacinamide, but it's fine in that one. I am obsessed with the new cloths.

• 13:10Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, the cloths are incredible.

• 13:11Benito Skinner?

  Cause I'm also rosacea girl bacteria towels. You can't wash towels every day.

• 13:16Mary Beth Barone?

  But her philosophy is a simple three-step approach. Cleanse, treat, moisturize. No 12-step routines. I mean, I have like, I bring like barely any product everywhere I go. This skincare works for everyone.

• 13:26Benito Skinner?

  Don't want rosacea down.

• 13:27Mary Beth Barone?

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• 13:43Benito Skinner?

  This is so exciting to me.

• 13:45Mary Beth Barone?

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• 13:46Benito Skinner?

  We've been talking about this woman for years. There is no better integration than this.

• 13:50Mary Beth Barone?

  Again, that's code RIDE for 20% off your first purchase at sofiepavittface.com.

• 13:54Benito Skinner?

  It's also so cool to know, like, just know that the person you're supporting in the business is like a really lovely person. Wow. Things can be good.

• 14:04Benito Skinner?

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• 14:49Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, anything like that. So that's what's really cool about a website. I think one day I'll have my own. Head to, go to, or fucking check out squarespace.com/ride for a free trial. And when you're ready to, well, I'm laughing by myself. Ah, it's been a long year. And when you're ready to launch, use offer code RIDE to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domon. The language here can be in my own words. And what's cool is that I just did that. Check out squarespace.com/ride for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use offer code RIDE to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domon. Squarespace, thank you so much for being with us from the beginning. We love you down so much. And we all can't wait to launch our own websites or domons. Mwah.

• 15:36Benito Skinner?

  No C D, let's fucking go. So, okay, relationships are intense. They make us care deeply, feel vulnerable, maybe even freak out a little sometimes. That's human. But some people have relationship concerns that go far beyond standard ones. Like finding another person attractive, then immediately thinking, oh my God, does this mean I don't really love my partner? Or needing constant reassurance that your relationship is right, or that you're not making the wrong choice, because you never feel sure enough. Or asking yourself the same question hundreds of times a day. Do I really love them? What if I'm wasting their time? And searching for some feeling of certainty that never comes. Many people think these sorts of thoughts and anxieties are just overthinking or commitment issues. But they can actually be signs of relationship OCD. So many people think OCD is just about

• 16:21Benito Skinner?

  cleaning or organizing, or making your books the kind of like rainbow pattern. But that stereotype couldn't be more wrong. Real OCD is a serious condition, I have been, hey, where distressing unwanted thoughts, called intrusive thoughts, get stuck on repeat and you feel compelled to do certain things. Mental or physical behaviors called compulsions to try to make the anxiety stop. With relationship OCD, compulsions might look like constantly seeking reassurance, replaying memories to see if you feel a spark, or comparing your partner to others. But what's given me so much hope is learning that OCD is one of the most treatable mental health conditions when you get the right kind of specialized therapy. OCD needs ERP therapy, exposure and response prevention, which is proven

• 17:02Benito Skinner?

  to be the most effective treatment. And it did help me so much. NoCD is the world's leading OCD treatment provider, and all of their licensed therapists specialize in ERP. Therapy with NoCD is 100% virtual, covered by insurance for over 138 million Americans, and includes support between sessions. So you never have to face OCD alone. Well, you never are anyway, because you're right here with me in my arms around you. If you consent to that, I love you, stinky. To learn more about starting OCD therapy with NoCD, go to nocd.com and book a free call with their team. That's nocd.com. Love you.

• 17:38Benito Skinner?

  Oh my God, I so like, I have so much to say as far as like, yeah, never mind.

• 17:42Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, cool. You weren't invested in that, were you?

• 17:44Benito Skinner?

  Nope.

• 17:45Mary Beth Barone?

  You asking that the other day at the dinner I wasn't at and then recounting it to me?

• 17:49Benito Skinner?

  You have to.

• 17:49Mary Beth Barone?

  You weren't invested in that, were you?

• 17:51Benito Skinner?

  There's no way you cared about that, right? And to my great surprise, they couldn't have given a fuck less.

• 17:58Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, that's awesome.

• 17:59Benito Skinner?

  Yeah.

• 18:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Should we get into what we ride for?

• 18:04Benito Skinner?

  Finally, I can say with my whole heart.

• 18:08Mary Beth Barone?

  With your whole, ten toes down, whole chest.

• 18:10Benito Skinner?

  Ten toes down. I will be riding for Nut Butters.

• 18:13Mary Beth Barone?

  Nut Butters. And I will be riding for one of the great songwriters of our time, Camille Cabello.

• 18:17Benito Skinner?

  Ah.

• 18:24Mary Beth Barone?

  You wanna go first?

• 18:25Benito Skinner?

  You have to go first.

• 18:26Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, cool.

• 18:27Benito Skinner?

  If you're gonna talk about Camilla.

• 18:28Mary Beth Barone?

  The one that I wanted to start with today was actually, she says, "I'm sick on you, sick on you, but you're the medicine too."

• 18:36Benito Skinner?

  Is this on CXOXO?

• 18:38Mary Beth Barone?

  No, this is on,

• 18:39Benito Skinner?

  What was on this?

• 18:40Mary Beth Barone?

  This is on Camilla.

• 18:42Benito Skinner?

  Oh, of course, Debut.

• 18:43Mary Beth Barone?

  So, I don't know if you've heard Camila Cabello's solo album, first solo album, but some of the lyrics, like, it just sucks that we can't play the songs because then there's like copyright or whatever.

• 18:55Benito Skinner?

  I know.

• 18:55Mary Beth Barone?

  But it's just, I love, first of all, the album artwork, it's so sensual. She's like wearing this gorgeous floral dress that's off the shoulder.

• 19:02Benito Skinner?

  I think I know exactly what you mean. Oh, I mean, that was so huge. Havana's on that album.

• 19:06Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 19:07Benito Skinner?

  Is that the most streamed song of all time?

• 19:09Mary Beth Barone?

  Is it?

• 19:09Benito Skinner?

  It like has to be one of like top 10. For me, that's like gotta be.

• 19:13Mary Beth Barone?

  I hope so.

• 19:17Benito Skinner?

  See, you're gonna be talking about all these other things, which I cannot wait to dive more into, but I'm a CXOXO.

• 19:24Mary Beth Barone?

  Interesting.

• 19:24Benito Skinner?

  Like, I'm not only an apologist, a,

• 19:28Mary Beth Barone?

  You're a promoter.

• 19:29Benito Skinner?

  A fighter, a revolutionary. I loved that album from the second it came out. So do you. It was always on your TV.

• 19:36Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, well, I really liked the album. One of the craziest features of all time, because you cannot understand a single word. So, the album Camilla, released January 12th, 2018, what a great way to start off the year.

• 19:50Benito Skinner?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Mary Beth Barone?

  Never be the same, she loves control, inside out.

• 19:54Benito Skinner?

  By the way.

• 19:54Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, of cour- and she knew that.

• 19:56Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, of course.

• 19:56Mary Beth Barone?

  Consequences, who are you in the dark? Show me the scary parts. And did you hear that? That was God chiming in. And then, of course, Into It. I mean, this album is no skips for me. And at one point on the Galaxy Brain Tour, I was with Victor Carlessi in the car, and we just put this whole album on, top to bottom, and we rocked the fuck out.

• 20:18Benito Skinner?

  Be with a gay guy and get to do this. What could be better?

• 20:20Mary Beth Barone?

  I know. And I just think like, there's a lot of bangers, and I just, I wanna make sure she is solidified in the pop girly sphere, because like, I really think of her as like a top-tier pop singer.

• 20:32Benito Skinner?

  Lately, I do think she's getting her due for CXOXO, because that got like so much weird, like, people love this like flop, they love to say flop, but I don't ever hear flop about guys, and all of them flop, in kind of ways that like no woman could.

• 20:48Mary Beth Barone?

  Consistently and forever.

• 20:50Benito Skinner?

  It's unbelievable. They can't stop flopping. And then when they're done with the flop, then allegations come.

• 20:55Mary Beth Barone?

  Right.

• 20:55Benito Skinner?

  It's kind of just immediately after. But there is something about the rise of, I think, these women now, the Tinashe, the Zara Larson, like, the girls are coming back and they're like, "No, we're gonna stay, we're not new to this, we're true to this, and just watch." But CXOXO, I was watching it kind of like spark back up, and I mean, Chanel Number Five was like my favorite song that year.

• 21:18Mary Beth Barone?

  I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it.

• 21:21Benito Skinner?

  Chanel's wonderful. And I loved that video too. I just, there was a Spring Breakers-ness to it, it was sexy, it was Miami.

• 21:28Mary Beth Barone?

  Playboy Carti, we're on to you.

• 21:30Benito Skinner?

  Playboy Carti. I am so Playboy Carti, if I had to pick.

• 21:34Mary Beth Barone?

  She also samples a song called "Shawty Is The Shit", which was a big favorite of mine in high school for the song "Dreamgirls". And so I just think like, it's just fucking good pop music.

• 21:46Benito Skinner?

  We don't get that always.

• 21:48Mary Beth Barone?

  You can stream it again and again and again. 2018, the album came out, I'm not done streaming it yet. How many albums from that, long ago, are you really going back to when you're listening to the whole entire thing? It's, for me, it's very few. It's like SZA Control, Camila Cabello, Camilla, and not, I mean, honestly, not that many other ones.

• 22:05Benito Skinner?

  Maybe melodrama. Was that that year?

• 22:07Mary Beth Barone?

  And I guess Pop 2 maybe is around that time or a little earlier.

• 22:10Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, I think Pop 2 is like 2017.

• 22:11Mary Beth Barone?

  I wanna just praise her, and I think, when people leave a pop group, I'm sure that's scary and intimidating, and for her to establish herself as an incredible solo artist after the Fifth Harmony era, which I could ride for Fifth Harmony's album, because there are so many songs on there outside work from home, which I could listen to every day till the rest of my life. You ain't gotta go to work.

• 22:36Benito Skinner?

  You ain't gotta go to work.

• 22:37Mary Beth Barone?

  We can work from home.

• 22:38Benito Skinner?

  We can literally work from home.

• 22:41Mary Beth Barone?

  Wait, there's a-

• 22:41Benito Skinner?

  Who wrote that?

• 22:44Mary Beth Barone?

  There is-

• 22:45Benito Skinner?

  I gotta get my eyes. Max?

• 22:47Mary Beth Barone?

  Ty Dolla Sign featuring. We are so fucking lucky, and as I've said before, I just think it's cool that we can continue to get new music without having to like, take any away. Like, it's crazy that we just keep adding to what's available. And so, Camilla, like, you have my heart, and I just can't wait for more music, girl.

• 23:04Benito Skinner?

  Um, can an A-lister pop in for a sec? Hi.

• 23:07Mary Beth Barone?

  Hi.

• 23:08Benito Skinner?

  So, I was at a Halloween party once, and I was actually sitting with Camilla, and she was dressed as Regina George, and I was having a horrible night. Like, I just felt so sad, and so alone, and just like terrible. And I was just talking to her, and I think it's that same thing with Sophie Pavitt, which we talk about in the ad, where it's so cool that someone who makes amazing things is also just like, she was heaven, she was so sweet, and she, when she was with Shawn Mendes, they were very sweet about the Shawn Mendes videos, which was really nice, because-

• 23:38Mary Beth Barone?

  So, they're aware.

• 23:39Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, oh, yes, that was very much, yeah. Well, people kept bringing me to him, and I was like, I don't know if he wants to see this, but this is so full circle.

• 23:46Mary Beth Barone?

  People's instincts are so funny.

• 23:47Benito Skinner?

  No, they're like, "Oh my god, you gotta meet each other." I'm like, "I think let's let him come to me."

• 23:52Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 23:52Benito Skinner?

  If he wants to. But I was at a coffee shop in London, and in front of me, I just hear this voice, and I was like, "Oh my god, it's Shawn." And he turned, and we had the nicest little interaction, he was so sweet.

• 24:03Mary Beth Barone?

  What coffee shop?

• 24:03Benito Skinner?

  And then his girlfriend, she was adorable. It was called Something Fabulous. Oh god, I'm sorry. A woman never tells.

• 24:13Mary Beth Barone?

  "She loves control, she wants it her way, and there's no way she'll ever stay unless you give it up. If that ain't me."

• 24:19Benito Skinner?

  That's so you.

• 24:20Mary Beth Barone?

  If that ain't me in a relationship.

• 24:22Benito Skinner?

  Have you two interacted yet?

• 24:23Mary Beth Barone?

  No, I'm looking forward to the opportunity.

• 24:25Benito Skinner?

  Oh, it's gonna be huge.

• 24:26Mary Beth Barone?

  I really feel like this album speaks to me just on so many levels.

• 24:29Benito Skinner?

  So, you're like from the orig- this is like, you love Debut.

• 24:32Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Benito Skinner?

  See, yeah, that's so crazy. I love that.

• 24:34Mary Beth Barone?

  "Loving you was young and wild and free, loving you was cool and hot and sweet, loving you was sunshine, safe and sound, a steady place to let down my defenses, but loving you had consequences." Like, I have chills, and it's so, I'm hot, I'm wearing a sweatshirt and I have chills.

• 24:50Benito Skinner?

  She just turned off the mics. She said, "Uh."

• 24:52Mary Beth Barone?

  She said, "I think the episode's over."

• 24:54Benito Skinner?

  The mics just blew up, kid.

• 24:55Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 24:56Benito Skinner?

  They're on fire.

• 24:57Mary Beth Barone?

  Imagining in the booth in the studio and just like dropping some fire like that.

• 25:00Benito Skinner?

  No, I know. And then putting on his sweatshirt, going like this with the sleeves, and then going, "I'll see you guys tomorrow."

• 25:06Mary Beth Barone?

  You.

• 25:08Benito Skinner?

  Looking at them and go, "Should we get Postmates?"

• 25:12Benito Skinner?

  Which I want. God, I wish I could be like in the studio. Obviously, there is like something coming that's kind of like of that, where I was in the studio, but it was for one day. But like, it meant the world to me.

• 25:23Mary Beth Barone?

  Remember us writing Soho House in the studio, in LA?

• 25:26Benito Skinner?

  Oh my god. Well, my scrapped record.

• 25:30Mary Beth Barone?

  Do you wanna get into that right now?

• 25:31Benito Skinner?

  Not yet.

• 25:32Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, but we will.

• 25:32Benito Skinner?

  But I'd love to get Camilla on it, when, you know, when we-

• 25:35Mary Beth Barone?

  I know exactly, I know exactly the song.

• 25:36Benito Skinner?

  You know the track. But she is fabulous, and I really think that we have to also allow artists to find their, their way. I think sometimes it's like, we want these new eras, but then sometimes when they're not like immediately digestible, we get really mad that it doesn't sound the same, or we want them to fail. I think she's one where it's like, no, if we would've just taken two more seconds there, we would've seen that CXO was a fabulous album, and also this was coming from a true star. And we're doing it now, thank god. Well, the people that, it's queer people.

• 26:12Mary Beth Barone?

  And she actually-

• 26:13Benito Skinner?

  They're the ones who lock back in.

• 26:14Mary Beth Barone?

  She got paparazzi'd on the beach at one point, and there were these photos published of her, and she wrote this like extremely earnest and vulnerable post about having your body consumed by the media and just people's reaction, and it was just because people were being so horrible.

• 26:29Benito Skinner?

  Ugh.

• 26:29Mary Beth Barone?

  And I just, like, she was already a star in my eyes, and then, I feel like when you have those moments of vulnerability, which of course unfortunately are many times born out of like negativity, it's just, I don't know, I was like, the honesty, I just like, I always respond to that, I think, just be real. And it affects you, it's like not nice.

• 26:47Benito Skinner?

  Well, imagine needing to comment on someone's body that's just like, "God,

• 26:52Benito Skinner?

  are you fucking sluts at the gym?"

• 26:54Mary Beth Barone?

  "Oh, you whores at the gym, trying to get fucking, trying to be in shape for your stupid Instagram bullshit."

• 26:59Benito Skinner?

  "Trying to make me hard, and you won't let me wipe you."

• 27:01Mary Beth Barone?

  Stream Camilla right now.

• 27:03Benito Skinner?

  So, you, can you hit us with your tops, and then I'm gonna recommend mine?

• 27:07Mary Beth Barone?

  It's really hard.

• 27:09Benito Skinner?

  Okay.

• 27:09Mary Beth Barone?

  Never be the same is just like an incredibly explosive track.

• 27:26Benito Skinner?

  Sucker for the way that you move, babe.

• 27:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Something must have gone wrong in my brain. Got your chemicals all in my veins. Feeling all the highs, feeling all the pain.

• 27:37Benito Skinner?

  Yeah.

• 27:37Mary Beth Barone?

  Like go on the wheel, it's the bullet lane. I mean, yeah, that's just a fucking banger for me. Um, so never, I don't know, it's just all of them. But I think my favorite one that I put on all the time is In the Dark. Actually, and there's one song I haven't even mentioned yet, and that's on her album Romance from 2019.

• 27:55Benito Skinner?

  Oh, I love Romance.

• 27:57Mary Beth Barone?

  I always thought I was hard to love till you made it seem so easy. That's me to you.

• 28:03Mary Beth Barone?

  Extreme easy.

• 28:04Benito Skinner?

  That's so true.

• 28:05Mary Beth Barone?

  From Romance by Camila Cabello.

• 28:05Benito Skinner?

  We were just talking about that episode, it would have been two episodes now ago, where I'm finally the patient one.

• 28:11Mary Beth Barone?

  It's last, no, uh, yeah, it's two episodes ago.

• 28:13Benito Skinner?

  So fire.

• 28:14Mary Beth Barone?

  She was on the other foot.

• 28:17Benito Skinner?

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• 28:58Benito Skinner?

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• 29:43Benito Skinner?

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• 30:25Mary Beth Barone?

  With Tinder Group Hangouts.

• 30:27Benito Skinner?

  Oh, come on. Don't choke on your words. It's Tinder.

• 30:29Mary Beth Barone?

  It's Tinder. The group chat can actually go somewhere, because you know how the group chat goes. Someone throws out, what's the move tonight? And it turns into forty messages, three polls, a bunch of reactions. Maybe even, what's that, a doodle?

• 30:41Benito Skinner?

  Oh, a doodle.

• 30:43Mary Beth Barone?

  And then zero decisions.

• 30:44Benito Skinner?

  So with group hangouts, you and your friends pick an activity. It can be drinks, mini golf, karaoke, motherfucker, whatever sounds like the fun move for you and your friends. Then you can find another group who are looking for the same vibe. No blind date, no forced pairing. Just your people doing something you were already gonna do, except now there's a possibility for new connections. And maybe romance.

• 31:05Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm learning about this feature for the first time as well.

• 31:07Benito Skinner?

  I know, I've known about it for a while.

• 31:09Mary Beth Barone?

  You've been using it quite frequently.

• 31:10Benito Skinner?

  Of course.

• 31:11Mary Beth Barone?

  With the group chat, there's no pressure on any one person to carry the conversation. You're just planning a night out that happens to include some new faces. Tinder makes that easy to do. Here's what I love about this. Tinder said, in the words of Catherine Hudson, I'm not just one thing.

• 31:22Benito Skinner?

  Exactly. Tinder has always been where connections, wait, should I do that?

• 31:26Mary Beth Barone?

  You missed part of it. Hey, hey, hang on, hang on, hang on.

• 31:28Benito Skinner?

  Easy Sally. Maybe you all become friends. Maybe two people hit it off. Maybe three people hit it off.

• 31:34Mary Beth Barone?

  Ooh.

• 31:36Benito Skinner?

  Either way, I want to tell people to do that more during sex and dates going

• 31:40Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm not sure I could do that, even if I wanted to.

• 31:43Benito Skinner?

  Either way, you had a good night with your friends, which was never in question.

• 31:47Mary Beth Barone?

  Tinder has always been where connections start. Now it's where you bring your friends along for the ride. Oh, yeah.

• 31:51Benito Skinner?

  Come on!

• 31:52Mary Beth Barone?

  Try Tinder Group Hangouts. Bring your friends, pick a plan, meet new people. Download Tinder today.

• 31:57Benito Skinner?

  Of course. I mean, hey, what could go wrong?

• 32:01Mary Beth Barone?

  I mean, it's not the craziest idea.

• 32:03Benito Skinner?

  People are saying that I'm, I'm cutting you off a lot lately.

• 32:05Mary Beth Barone?

  It's just conversation. Like, I do that to people too, and I feel like I'm hyper aware of it because of doing podcasts, but it's like, if someone's speaking and I want to either do like a riff or something, like, I'm not just sitting there like that. Like, I'm ready to just in. It's like, it's like double dutch.

• 32:20Benito Skinner?

  If someone does that to me, me in an orgy.

• 32:23Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, I know.

• 32:24Benito Skinner?

  Us at, us at the orgy? Because there's a big podcaster orgy they throw every year.

• 32:29Mary Beth Barone?

  We always don't go. We're always busy.

• 32:31Benito Skinner?

  We always don't go. Let's go this year.

• 32:33Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, fine.

• 32:36Benito Skinner?

  You know who's in there ripping it.

• 32:38Mary Beth Barone?

  Can we talk about Nut Butters?

• 32:39Benito Skinner?

  So, it's time to talk about Nut Butters. From one thing I love to another.

• 32:44Mary Beth Barone?

  From sea to shining sea, Camila Cabello to Nut Butters.

• 32:48Benito Skinner?

  Like the fucking range, dude.

• 32:49Mary Beth Barone?

  From the Atlantic to the Pacific.

• 32:50Benito Skinner?

  Y'all know I'm rosacea down. Oh, now I'm referencing ads also. I don't know if those are gonna be in there.

• 32:55Mary Beth Barone?

  And we don't even know if that ad's come out yet, and that's what's cool, because like, it's called an Easter egg hunt.

• 33:00Benito Skinner?

  Exactly. There are so many Easter eggs in season two. I even thought recently, I was like, oh my God.

• 33:06Mary Beth Barone?

  The kids are gonna have a field day.

• 33:07Benito Skinner?

  Ones I didn't even know. So it's gonna be fun for, um, for all you Taylor Nation heads out there. So.

• 33:13Mary Beth Barone?

  Before you get into it, I just want to say, and that's me interrupting you. So I rewatched Donnie Darko recently, and they talk about cellar door, which is like, you know, according to a linguist, it's like the most satisfying thing to say for like, how the like, letters move.

• 33:26Benito Skinner?

  Cellar door?

• 33:27Mary Beth Barone?

  Cellar door. It's like a very satisfying thing to say. I would consider Nut Butters in that same exact song.

• 33:32Benito Skinner?

  That's about as good as that anything could be. Sing Nut Butter.

• 33:36Mary Beth Barone?

  Nut Butter.

• 33:37Benito Skinner?

  Nut Butter.

• 33:38Mary Beth Barone?

  Speak on it.

• 33:39Benito Skinner?

  Oh my God, it's from the tips of my toes to the tips of my

• 33:44Mary Beth Barone?

  Been awake for a while now. That's what it feels like saying Nut Butter.

• 33:50Benito Skinner?

  Come on, or make a banana pancake, pretend like it's the weekend. I could pretend it all the time. When you have kids and they go to elementary school, I come in and sing that with the class.

• 34:02Mary Beth Barone?

  You tell them you're rosacea down, and then you sing banana pancake.

• 34:05Benito Skinner?

  Y'all know I'm rosacea down, and then make a banana panc- Oh my God, she's literally listening to Camila right now. Oh my God, darling, knock it off. Nut Butters. So, from a young age, I grew up, my mom is a peanut butter fiend.

• 34:22Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm not surprised, Patty, is this fiend?

• 34:24Benito Skinner?

  She's a fiend. She's fiend?

• 34:26Mary Beth Barone?

  A fiend, yeah. She's a fiend.

• 34:28Benito Skinner?

  You're gorgeous.

• 34:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Thanks, man.

• 34:29Benito Skinner?

  Look at you, Miss Billie Eilish.

• 34:31Mary Beth Barone?

  You think I'm good?

• 34:34Benito Skinner?

  You want to kiss? You want to love? Oh my God.

• 34:40Mary Beth Barone?

  Gracie Lu Free Bush.

• 34:41Benito Skinner?

  Gracie Lee Free Bush. Gracie Lu Free Bush? Gracie Lu Free Bush. Um, I am so the redhead in that. You can wear a light jacket.

• 34:51Mary Beth Barone?

  Keep going.

• 34:53Benito Skinner?

  Is she not red?

• 34:54Mary Beth Barone?

  I don't think so. I think she's blonde. We'll check.

• 34:56Benito Skinner?

  Kind of, well, I'd say strawberry blonde, by the way.

• 34:58Mary Beth Barone?

  And can I say?

• 34:59Benito Skinner?

  Like, I know that, like, the range.

• 35:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Can I say fair?

• 35:01Benito Skinner?

  Totally. So, Nut Butters. My mom loved peanut butter as a kid, like, the way we were ripping through it in my household was actually unbelievable.

• 35:10Mary Beth Barone?

  Creamy or crunchy?

• 35:12Benito Skinner?

  How about both, bitch?

• 35:13Mary Beth Barone?

  I had a feeling you grew up in that type of house. So I had a third floor, you had creamy and crunchy.

• 35:18Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

• 35:20Mary Beth Barone?

  Different, but also kind of the same.

• 35:21Benito Skinner?

  Of course. But here's the thing, my, so my mom would get both, because it's like, you never know. I think I personally like a little crunch, if I had to say it.

• 35:30Mary Beth Barone?

  Randomly.

• 35:30Benito Skinner?

  Come on, it's oral fixation.

• 35:32Mary Beth Barone?

  That falls outside of my personality profile, but it's

• 35:35Benito Skinner?

  You are so creamy to me, but randomly, sometimes you get nasty with it. Like, I watch you do some shit at a movie theater, and I'm like, you, like, she, she might even buy a fucking pickle.

• 35:44Mary Beth Barone?

  You don't know. A pickle in a bag?

• 35:46Benito Skinner?

  That's what I'm talking about. So, oh, I'm like electrified. This is like, it's cool to be passionate about stuff. Uh, my mom, she would get Nature Valley bars that were already peanut butter. She would put peanut butter over the top.

• 35:58Mary Beth Barone?

  Double peanut butter.

• 35:59Benito Skinner?

  I mean, she was like, I can't get enough of this.

• 36:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 36:01Benito Skinner?

  She bought me so many of those, though, in my childhood, that they taste like recess to me. And then I have like a weird guilt, Catholic shame thing, so now they taste like original sin.

• 36:10Mary Beth Barone?

  Sensory experience, yeah.

• 36:11Benito Skinner?

  They taste like original sin. So I don't really eat those anymore, but My peanut butter's always been a thing for me. Scooping nut butter in a spoon and just taking it down the gullet.

• 36:23Mary Beth Barone?

  Couldn't be better.

• 36:24Benito Skinner?

  Nothing could be better to me. Okay, so this is where it gets really crazy. So all through college, all this, I am truly addicted to.

• 36:34Mary Beth Barone?

  These nut butters.

• 36:35Benito Skinner?

  These nut butters.

• 36:36Mary Beth Barone?

  But is it mostly peanut?

• 36:37Benito Skinner?

  Just wait, sweetie.

• 36:38Mary Beth Barone?

  That's what I wanted to know. I forget when you went to college sometimes.

• 36:41Benito Skinner?

  Easy. This friend keeps doing this thing to me where he'll be like, if I'm kind of going crazy, he'll do a.

• 36:47Mary Beth Barone?

  It's like you're the horse.

• 36:48Benito Skinner?

  Easy, sugar cube.

• 36:49Mary Beth Barone?

  He's brushing you.

• 36:50Benito Skinner?

  But to me, it's like, give me a spoonful of cashew butter, which we're gonna get to my new girl. So peanut butter nonstop. On the set of season one of Overcompensating, Rish Shah is allergic to peanuts. And so on those days, I, I remember Abby, my assistant, I talked about this, I think in the last season. She would sprint over and be like, please don't like, I swear to God, you didn't have peanut butter today. I was like, I didn't and.

• 37:16Mary Beth Barone?

  So you guys had to kiss because you're.

• 37:17Benito Skinner?

  We were about to tongue each other.

• 37:19Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Benito Skinner?

  Gay scenes. And so that pervert writer made us kiss each other. So me, so we, I, during that time, I had to get to know other butters, these other nut butters. I had maybe had a few, there's this brand called Justin's that is really fabulous. The way you look at me is the way all girls should look at their gay guy.

• 37:41Mary Beth Barone?

  It's the way all people should look at each other.

• 37:43Benito Skinner?

  I mean, my goodness, I just.

• 37:44Mary Beth Barone?

  Like everyone's a miracle.

• 37:46Benito Skinner?

  I love when people have comments under the TikToks and they'll be like, no, she really in love with him.

• 37:53Mary Beth Barone?

  How could I not be?

• 37:54Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, no, literally like you're so cute, the fuck. Sorry, the fuck. This was the first time I thought to myself, let me open my heart to other nuts.

• 38:04Mary Beth Barone?

  You're not a one nut butter kind of guy.

• 38:06Benito Skinner?

  I'm not a one nut butter kind of guy.

• 38:07Mary Beth Barone?

  Ethical non-monogamy with your nut butters.

• 38:08Benito Skinner?

  Exactly. It can be open.

• 38:10Mary Beth Barone?

  You can, they can share you.

• 38:12Benito Skinner?

  Come on.

• 38:13Mary Beth Barone?

  Come on.

• 38:14Benito Skinner?

  As I pick one up off the shelf at Whole Foods, I go, don't be jealous. Everyone there thinks I'm schizo. I might be. Instead, I say, I might be the fuck. So I, during this time, I start to delve a little bit into almond butter.

• 38:30Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 38:31Benito Skinner?

  Me and almond butter had a crazy run.

• 38:33Mary Beth Barone?

  It's a gateway butter from peanut. Can I just say, many people's first nut butter other than peanut, it's almond.

• 38:39Benito Skinner?

  It's almond. But what I found out, which I have a lot to say about this, and I think I'm gonna ride for this later, which is understanding your gut biome. I found that I was really sensitive to almonds and peanuts. Because I had like, I'll say it, leaky gut. My candida was crazy.

• 38:57Mary Beth Barone?

  Wah, wah, wah.

• 38:59Benito Skinner?

  No. My doctor telling me I have leaky gut, I'm just going like this.

• 39:04Mary Beth Barone?

  It's a.

• 39:05Benito Skinner?

  That part.

• 39:06Mary Beth Barone?

  And a record scratch.

• 39:07Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, I went, leaky gut. Me as a soundboard. So then it was like, all of a sudden, I had spent all this time on set, eating apples and peanut butter, went to almond, had almost too much almond butter. Started to get a sensitivity to it because there was something going on in my gut. I got tested and I essentially. I got tested.

• 39:28Mary Beth Barone?

  We are the juice generation.

• 39:32Benito Skinner?

  That's the new Power Rangers. I loved Power Rangers as a concept, but it was just before my time. Like, I love the pink Power Ranger in theory.

• 39:44Mary Beth Barone?

  You know where they lost me?

• 39:45Benito Skinner?

  Where?

• 39:46Mary Beth Barone?

  They made Power Rangers Halloween costumes for kids, they underproduced the pink one. So my brothers got to be blue and red and I was left with a. Because they didn't make enough for the pink one, so we couldn't get it.

• 39:58Benito Skinner?

  Why? I would assume that would be flying off the shelves.

• 40:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Create a sense of demand. I don't know. It's like my heart was broken.

• 40:03Benito Skinner?

  They use the supreme model.

• 40:04Mary Beth Barone?

  My heart was.

• 40:05Benito Skinner?

  How many are you gonna sell?

• 40:06Mary Beth Barone?

  Broken.

• 40:07Benito Skinner?

  Target went, Target went, happy Halloween cunt.

• 40:10Mary Beth Barone?

  It was literally like, probably even pre-Target, like I can't talk about it and pre-internet for sure, so.

• 40:15Benito Skinner?

  What does Shane Gillis think about Halloween? That must just blow his fucking mind.

• 40:19Mary Beth Barone?

  I don't think he celebrates satanic holidays.

• 40:21Benito Skinner?

  You think the gym's crazy? Get ready for this shit.

• 40:23Mary Beth Barone?

  Y'all ever been on a sidewalk?

• 40:24Benito Skinner?

  Have you ever seen a gay guy at the gym, honey? So during this time, I got gut tested and I found that because of this leaky gut, I was sensitive to a lot of the things I loved. Then I, I said to this doctor, I was like, could I, I guess, what would that doctor be?

• 40:38Mary Beth Barone?

  A gastroenterologist or something?

• 40:41Benito Skinner?

  Jesus fucking Christ.

• 40:42Mary Beth Barone?

  Was it that or was it, was it a naturopath?

• 40:45Benito Skinner?

  I wanna grab you by the brain so fucking bad right now. I swear to fucking God. So she says, you know what? Cashew butter, that's gonna be your friend. And I'm like, oh, holy shit. I go and get cashew butter. I taste it for the first fucking time.

• 40:59Mary Beth Barone?

  Fucking good.

• 41:00Benito Skinner?

  It's maybe the best. I, peanut and that are kind of like, it's nasty.

• 41:04Mary Beth Barone?

  But have you tried sunflower butter?

• 41:06Benito Skinner?

  Just wait.

• 41:07Mary Beth Barone?

  Technically not a nut.

• 41:08Benito Skinner?

  I didn't even get there.

• 41:09Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, I just wanna make sure, because you're saying favorites already and we haven't even said all of them yet.

• 41:12Benito Skinner?

  Oh, baby, and I just had freaking macadamia nut butter.

• 41:16Mary Beth Barone?

  I knew you were gonna say that.

• 41:17Benito Skinner?

  And I had hazelnut nut butter.

• 41:19Mary Beth Barone?

  Hazel nut nut butter is so good, but it's, I think really like, there's a lot of like, natural fats or something, so I eat it in moderation.

• 41:26Benito Skinner?

  Okay, see, all of them, I just think like, I could be having a hot cheeto right now, so this is my snack, let her rip.

• 41:33Mary Beth Barone?

  Absolutely.

• 41:34Benito Skinner?

  And a handful of nuts is incredible to me too, but just there's something about these.

• 41:37Mary Beth Barone?

  You're making your own butter with your teeth.

• 41:39Benito Skinner?

  Exactly. I'll always make my own butter. So season two, Overcompensating happens and we shoot at the house where it's our Idaho house. Someone who lives at the real house is like deadly allergic to nuts, all nuts. So you're not allowed, so on those days, Crafty would have sunflower seed butter. This is like, it almost is not, obviously it's not a nut butter, but it's such a different taste, but the texture's so fabulous. It's so creamy and smooth.

• 42:11Mary Beth Barone?

  I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. Funnier, funnier, funnier, funnier, funnier.

• 42:15Benito Skinner?

  So I, I love that so much, but I think right now in this state, could I say that's my favorite? No, because cashew butter, I keep coming back to her. I don't know which one's the best for you. I haven't figured that out because also macadamia milk's really good, but then someone was like, no, pistachio milk's better. I think that's too nutty and creamy.

• 42:33Mary Beth Barone?

  It's for the individual self and it's like, I'm glad we're not so with nutrition facts. I know I just brought up that hazelnut nut butter has like more fatty acids or something, which I don't even know if that's true. But I just feel like, I don't read the nutrition facts as much anymore. I'm just like, what gives me a stomach ache and what doesn't?

• 42:49Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, wait, this teacher in Hawaii, she, which I'm gonna ride for, I have to ride for these teachers on TikTok because they're just rocking my world. I want all of them to teach me how to do cursive. But she has one where she goes, what I eat in a day is a teacher who eats food that makes me feel good.

• 43:04Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 43:05Benito Skinner?

  And I was like, oh, I love that.

• 43:06Mary Beth Barone?

  That is an ethos.

• 43:07Benito Skinner?

  That is like a thing. It's also Courtney Cook, who I rode for, where she just kinda eats what sounds good to her and she does it. And I think like, that is really beautiful and that's a healthy mindset to have with food. Everything in moderation, obviously, but I think not when it's nut butters, because I'm gonna have that shit all fucking day.

• 43:23Mary Beth Barone?

  All you can eat.

• 43:23Benito Skinner?

  It's just crazy, like, I just love nuts. I love dick.

• 43:28Mary Beth Barone?

  I love how much you love nuts.

• 43:30Benito Skinner?

  I just fucking love nuts. It's so awesome. And what I really want this Christmas, and I hope you can make this happen for me.

• 43:36Mary Beth Barone?

  I'm gonna try.

• 43:37Benito Skinner?

  I want chestnuts. I've never had roasted chestnuts. No, I don't, well, I'm sure there's a chestnut butter somewhere.

• 43:44Mary Beth Barone?

  You can only hope.

• 43:45Benito Skinner?

  Oh my God, I just got chills.

• 43:46Mary Beth Barone?

  Okay, I'm gonna look into that.

• 43:48Benito Skinner?

  I just, someone was like, yeah, someone told me they went camping and they roasted chestnuts and they were delicious.

• 43:53Mary Beth Barone?

  You know who I could see helping us out with that is my mom.

• 43:56Benito Skinner?

  Hundred percent.

• 43:56Mary Beth Barone?

  We'll get her on the horn.

• 43:57Benito Skinner?

  She's got some right now.

• 43:58Mary Beth Barone?

  She's making.

• 43:59Benito Skinner?

  Cigar in.

• 43:59Mary Beth Barone?

  She's making 50 pounds of roasted chestnuts right now. Yeah.

• 44:03Benito Skinner?

  Little nutcracker.

• 44:03Mary Beth Barone?

  She cracks them with her hands.

• 44:04Benito Skinner?

  Of course, and then she laughs.

• 44:06Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 44:08Benito Skinner?

  And she eats the whole thing. She didn't need to crack it in the first place.

• 44:11Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, that's how she enjoys them and what do we say? Do it in the way that you like.

• 44:14Benito Skinner?

  Hey, live your life.

• 44:16Mary Beth Barone?

  I ride for nut butters. I can't say enough how much this snack has saved me. By the way, it's like, when I'm feeling famished and I can't go on, if I know I have a nut butter in the fridge and or, here's one thing I'll say.

• 44:29Benito Skinner?

  Hate to see me coming though, I will say.

• 44:31Mary Beth Barone?

  But the oily aspect of it can be really hard with some of these alternative butters.

• 44:35Benito Skinner?

  When you have to.

• 44:36Mary Beth Barone?

  But sometimes you have to store them upside down. You just have to make sure it's really, because then it doesn't separate for some reason, which my cousin, who's a chef, explained to me.

• 44:43Benito Skinner?

  Oh, that's genius, because my mom used to buy this brand, Adams. Do you ever have Adams peanut butter? And she was churning it like a maiden.

• 44:49Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah, you have to, but you have to make sure it's really secure. It will leak. So or keep it in the fridge.

• 44:55Benito Skinner?

  I got this one in London, it was cashew butter and I took a knife and I just, I was like, it was witch's brew.

• 45:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, it's a workout, but I'm in a, I'm in a sunflower seed butter phase right now, but I love nut butters. It feels like protein. I'm not sure if it is, but it feels like it is.

• 45:08Benito Skinner?

  It's protein, it's fiber, it's healthy fats, it fills you up, it's so good on everything.

• 45:14Mary Beth Barone?

  Bread, banana, rice cracker.

• 45:16Benito Skinner?

  Holy shit.

• 45:16Mary Beth Barone?

  Peanut, I mean, pretzel.

• 45:18Benito Skinner?

  Can I raise you acai bowl with cashew butter on it?

• 45:21Mary Beth Barone?

  I just love this and I think you find the one that works for you and sometimes it's trial and error. And yeah, can I just say one thing? They can be expensive when they're organic.

• 45:29Benito Skinner?

  Oh, whoa.

• 45:30Mary Beth Barone?

  Ethically sourced.

• 45:31Benito Skinner?

  The almond butters I was taking down in LA were like, you ever heard of $17 nut butter? And I was like, you're sick for that, but I'll get it.

• 45:38Mary Beth Barone?

  Rooted in the tradition of longevity. Snacks rooted in the tradition of longevity. I have to imagine the Egyptians had peanut butter. You know what I'm saying?

• 45:44Benito Skinner?

  Of course. There was some insane fact I read that the, the dinosaurs were closer to the pyramids than like, than Cleopatra was of when they were built.

• 45:58Mary Beth Barone?

  We'll look into that. We're gonna look into that. Yeah.

• 46:06Benito Skinner?

  Fuck, that weed is loud.

• 46:07Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 46:09Benito Skinner?

  Should we do weed soon?

• 46:10Mary Beth Barone?

  Sure, like for the pod or just general?

• 46:12Benito Skinner?

  Oh, that would be a whole thing.

• 46:14Mary Beth Barone?

  I don't think people would like it.

• 46:16Benito Skinner?

  No one would.

• 46:17Mary Beth Barone?

  People accuse us of being high all the time. I think if you actually saw us high, it would scare you.

• 46:21Benito Skinner?

  Someone said I was on coke for one of these. I was like, girl.

• 46:24Mary Beth Barone?

  Don't disparage my friend like that.

• 46:26Benito Skinner?

  My jaw would be going a mile a minute if you think I'm doing coke on here. But yeah, I, I think, I'm just curious, because it's all about set and setting. I always say this to people.

• 46:36Mary Beth Barone?

  It's set and setting.

• 46:37Benito Skinner?

  When they talk about drugs. I, I think that is like, whatever, whoever came up with that, be it a scientist, I'm sure it was. The concept of set and setting for so many things is actually really beautiful.

• 46:47Mary Beth Barone?

  Even for anything you could say.

• 46:49Benito Skinner?

  Literally, it's like, yeah, do that if you're in the right mental state.

• 46:52Mary Beth Barone?

  It's read the room, you know what I mean?

• 46:54Benito Skinner?

  So read the room, but of your own body.

• 46:55Mary Beth Barone?

  Of your own body.

• 46:56Benito Skinner?

  But yeah, also read the room of the people around you. Are they sinister? Because that could be a crazy night.

• 47:00Mary Beth Barone?

  Just like nicotine, heroin, morphine, suddenly I'm a fiend and you're all I need? All I need? Yeah, you're all I need.

• 47:07Benito Skinner?

  All I need, that was the one. And it's you, babe. I saw the best TikTok of this woman on a bus belting that. And I was like, that's one of those things where you think that's, everyone is so cute.

• 47:18Mary Beth Barone?

  It's interesting, I never got sent that.

• 47:20Benito Skinner?

  I think I did send that to you. We send so many a day though, sugar puss. That's what I call you. Sugar puss.

• 47:27Mary Beth Barone?

  And I call you Zuda Bug.

• 47:31Benito Skinner?

  Is, it's Camila? I want to get it right. Camila Cabello?

• 47:34Mary Beth Barone?

  Camila Cabello.

• 47:35Benito Skinner?

  I have written for her since she was a member of the greatest girls group we've had in years.

• 47:43Mary Beth Barone?

  In years.

• 47:43Benito Skinner?

  In fucking years. And I adore her. I feel very lucky and I have so much gratitude that I got to have this little moment with her. I've actually had two really beautiful moments with her. Both times she meant the fucking world to me. It was so sweet and so lovely. And I do want her, if we get to do season three of Overcompensating, I have an idea for her. I want her in the show. I just think she's amazing and I, I'm really, I love people that, this is, he's a, he's an interesting figure. But John Mayer had this thing, I remember he said about Lady Gaga's art pop. Where he was like, I just really love that she doubled down. And like, didn't say that she like regretted or anything, like she believed in it.

• 48:23Benito Skinner?

  And I just think that's really beautiful, especially for the pop girlies who just get like so dogged all the time.

• 48:29Mary Beth Barone?

  Too many opinions, too much discourse. Just listen to the music or don't.

• 48:32Benito Skinner?

  It was like my thing, I just like, can we stop critiquing everything so intensely? I, I think it's because with the internet, now everyone can be that. So it just feels like, oh my God. It used to be like, you kind of read reviews of something, but it's, they don't mean as much. But now it's like you have so much.

• 48:47Mary Beth Barone?

  Well, now if you see a tweet of, of a review of something and you go, everyone thinks blank.

• 48:51Benito Skinner?

  Yeah.

• 48:51Mary Beth Barone?

  Or people are saying blank and it's like, no, you just saw one tweet. Also, articles, like journalistic articles are quoting tweets as like, fact?

• 49:00Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, they're like, this is everyone's reaction.

• 49:02Mary Beth Barone?

  And it's like, but that's one person that has 52 likes.

• 49:05Benito Skinner?

  Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. So I just think CXOXO is, as someone who has listened to it and loves it, it is so worth.

• 49:15Mary Beth Barone?

  The price of admission.

• 49:16Benito Skinner?

  The price of admission. Go check it out, get those streams and let's do this. Let's make it chart. And then also Juice Generation.

• 49:25Mary Beth Barone?

  Yeah.

• 49:25Benito Skinner?

  But then also, um, I'm going to go back and, and get into that earlier work. Because I don't know if I was as much in there for that. Like I, every time I heard her songs, I loved them, but it was.

• 49:36Mary Beth Barone?

  Just beautifully written and I love this, I love the music. I just fucking love the music.

• 49:39Benito Skinner?

  I can tell, that's so beautiful. I love.

• 49:41Mary Beth Barone?

  I love the lyrics.

• 49:42Benito Skinner?

  I love music that makes women happy. It's like, somehow Mayhem was that. I remember a lot of like, people really, like women responding to that album from Gaga. In a way that maybe others, I just was like, okay, well, obviously it's for gay guys. But like, which one do women love? And Mayhem was that. And I, I thought that was really beautiful. Like my sisters were like, put that shit on.

• 50:00Mary Beth Barone?

  They said.

• 50:00Benito Skinner?

  And I'm like, okay, abracadabra, the fuck? Yeah, you mean the world to me.

• 50:05Mary Beth Barone?

  I love you.

• 50:06Benito Skinner?

  And it's you.

• 50:06Mary Beth Barone?

  Put those paws up high.

• 50:08Benito Skinner?

  And I'm a sucker for the way that you move. And if you find that funny, think of me now.

• 50:15Mary Beth Barone?

  As I put my Uggs on, my cow print Uggs are waiting for me at home.

• 50:19Benito Skinner?

  You're kidding.

• 50:19Mary Beth Barone?

  I have to go.

• 50:20Benito Skinner?

  Oh my God.

• 50:22Mary Beth Barone?

  My cow print Uggs.

• 50:23Benito Skinner?

  We love you. CXOXO.

• 50:32Benito Skinner?

  Oh, my exit.

• 50:33Mary Beth Barone?

  Benny babe, I'm a road. Benny, go!

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