996. Q&AF Ft. Tim Grover: Success After Failures, Handling The Pressure Of Winning & "Working Hard" Vs Results

On today's episode, Andy and DJ are joined by Tim Grover. They answer your questions on how to approach success after a big failure, how to manage the pressure of high performance when others expect you to win, and what to do when long-term "hard work" hasn't produced desired results.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:16Andy Frisella?

  What is up guys, it's Andy Frisella and this is the show for the realists. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness and delusions of modern society and welcome to motherfucking reality guys. Today we have Q and A F, that's where you submit the questions and we give you the answers. DJ is going to tell you how to submit your questions.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  Guys, you can email these questions in to [email protected]. You can also click the link in the description below to submit them for a chance to be read or drop them in the comments section of the Q and A F episodes at Andy Frisella Motivation on YouTube.

• 0:46Andy Frisella?

  Now, if this is your first time listening, we have shows within the show. Tonight, we're going to have CTI Live at 7:00 PM Central Time on YouTube and X, formerly known as Twitter. Sometimes, we're going to have Real Talk. Real Talk is just five to 20 minutes of me giving you some real talk. And then we have 75 Hard Versus. 75 Hard Versus where someone who's completed the 75 Hard Program comes on the show. They talk about how they were before, how they are now, and how they used the 75 Hard Program to transform their lives. If you're unfamiliar with 75 Hard, it's the initial phase of the Live Hard Program, which is the world's most famous mental transformation program in history, and you get it for free at episode 208 on the audio feed.

• 1:29Andy Frisella?

  Again, that's 208 on the audio feed. There's also a book, the book is available at andyfrisella.com, it's called The Book on Mental Toughness. And I happen to have the guy who wrote the foreword for the book, sitting directly in front of me. It was Amy. Yeah, it's not DJ. It's Mr. Tim Grover. What's happening, bro?

• 1:52Speaker 02

  Everything's excellent, brother. What an honor, man, to be able to do that foreword for you.

• 1:55Andy Frisella?

  Bro, you have no idea. It's not your honor, it's mine.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  What was the first thing you said when he asked you?

• 2:02Andy Frisella?

  Well, I didn't-

• 2:03Speaker 01

  The first thing that came to mind?

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Of course. The only thing was, the background story about that is, um, my agent Sherry got a call saying, "Listen, we need the foreword, we need the foreword, like, right away." And she sent the, and she got in contact with me, we wrote the foreword, we sent it to her, it came out a year and a half later.

• 2:24Andy Frisella?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:26Andy Frisella?

  Hey, it took us a minute. It took us a minute. But a lot of you guys don't know, but you know, Tim has been one of the guiding, I guess mentors in my life for a very long time. And I was introduced to Tim through his book, Relentless. When I read that book, I was pretty sure that I was the only person like me on the planet. I was in a very dark space. I was, like a lot of you guys, very ambitious, working very hard and felt completely out of place. And I read that book and I say this often, dude, I think it saved my life for sure. I know

• 3:07Andy Frisella?

  it did. And you know, to have you write the foreword of my book is just, I mean, bro, it's one of the coolest things that's ever happened in my life. So.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  It's an honor, man. You know how I feel about you and about the work that you've done, your history, what you've built, everything you as a person. So it wasn't even a, and we get asked all the time. I mean, I know how often I get asked. I don't even know how many times Sheri gets emailed about people asking us to do forwards and quotes for the book. And the answer is,

• 3:43Speaker 02

  no.

• 3:46Andy Frisella?

  Well, not nobody. Yeah. Listen,

• 3:52Andy Frisella?

  it's pretty awesome, man. It's pretty cool to have you as a friend and to, you know, how we met was pretty cool. You know, I read the book, I posted about the book on my Instagram and you sold a couple of books. And, and then we met at Cardone's 10x, his first one. And that was.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Like sitting right next to each other.

• 4:17Andy Frisella?

  Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty cool, man. I was like, man, there's Tim Grover. And you turned around, you're like, Andy. And I'm like, holy shit, Tim Grover knows who I am.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  And Andy was wearing a suit.

• 4:26Andy Frisella?

  Yeah, no shit. That's right. That's right. But, but we have him here today to go through some, some Q and A with you guys. So it's a very special day for you guys. And I guess we'll just get right into it, man.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's do it, man. I got some good ones for you.

• 4:41Andy Frisella?

  You do?

• 4:41Speaker 01

  I usually do.

• 4:43Andy Frisella?

  So here we go. Guys, Andy.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Tim, question number one. Hey, Andy. My name is Ty and I'm from Nebraska. Since I was 16, I've been listening to you. I'm 21 now and have successfully failed my first business. I started a construction company in 2025 and by 2026, we are done and now I'm restarting. I don't have a great path in mind, but I know I need to pay bills, make money, survive for now. I was wondering if you had any wise words of MF wisdom for a 21 year old who's determined to be a millionaire by 25?

• 5:26Andy Frisella?

  Well, first I'd say you're lucky to have that lesson in your, in your repertoire now as opposed to later.

• 5:37Andy Frisella?

  You know, right now, when you're young, a lot of people, you know, they're scared of failing. They're scared of looking stupid and you already got that part out of the way.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:45Andy Frisella?

  All right.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Successfully.

• 5:46Andy Frisella?

  So, uh, um, you know, when it comes to losing, man, you know, you can hate to lose, but also value the lessons that it learned, that it teaches you. And, um, you know, where you're at in your life, this isn't going to be your last loss. But hopefully it's your most important and you have to ask yourself, you know, instead of worrying about like how silly you look or a failed business or any of these things. You have to just ask yourself, what'd you learn? Because this path that we're on as entrepreneurs is a lifelong path. You know, Tim and I talk about this a lot, you know, when you're a pro athlete, you have, you know, eight to 12 years, if you're lucky.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  If you're lucky.

• 6:29Andy Frisella?

  Right? And entrepreneurship is a unique game where you get to compete at the highest level, but it goes for as long as you want to play. And, you know, sometimes people opt out. Sometimes people ride it all the way to the end, but the point of the matter is, is that you're very young and to have started and failed a business at the age of 21, it really honestly is probably the best thing that you could have going for you. Uh, when I started. In business, you know, I started with a lot of little things, you know, even back to when I was a kid. I started, you know, selling baseball cards, selling light bulbs door to door, doing all these different things and, you know, none of them worked.

• 7:13Andy Frisella?

  But every single time I went through one of these, these situations where things didn't work, I learned a lesson. And as I've grown as an entrepreneur over the course of my life, I've started to change things from wins and losses to lessons. Okay. What did I learn here? What did I learn there? And that goes for both the wins and the losses. And I think to, to play the long game, you know, you have to attach less of your identity to the outcomes in terms of wins or losses and more of your identity to the process. Okay. What am I doing every single day? What lessons have I learned? How is that going to help me get where I want to go? And that goes for both the wins and the losses.

• 7:57Andy Frisella?

  This is like, you know, you guys saw Indiana win a national championship last week. You know, they interviewed Signetti right after the game and he said, he said, what are you going to do? He said, well, I'm gonna have a beer. Okay. But I guarantee you, he probably didn't have two, right? He probably, I bet you the day after that, he was back in the game working for that next one, for that next one. And, you know, you're going to lose games. You're going to lose businesses. You're going to lose relationships. You're going to lose.

• 8:32Andy Frisella?

  But if you keep going, it's not a loss. It's just a lesson. So I think the, the main thing that you got to keep in mind here as a young man is that you're going to have these situations repeat over and over and over again. And most people will identify a big loss like that as a defining moment in their life in a bad way. When in reality, every great person that I've ever met defines their losses as just part of the journey. They see it as a necessity that led to the outcome that they were after down the road.

• 9:05Andy Frisella?

  So, you know, that, that's my advice, man. It's really just as simple as, as continuing to work down the path and continue to get better. I mean, what do you think, Tim?

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Well, first of all, I'm still waiting on my light bulbs from you.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  I didn't realize it was you. Yeah. Um, obviously, everything that you said is absolutely true. The one thing I would say in part of his question is, uh, one of the reasons I think a lot of people fail in their thing is they put a timeline on like, you know, I have to be, like he said, I have to, I want to be a millionaire by the time I'm 25. Right. All right. So you try to, you, you try to accelerate everything and you may not be ready to accelerate at the speed that you, that you think you're prepared for. So throw that, throw that number or that timeline out. And like you said, continue with the process, continue, continue to work.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  And cause things, and you, you say this all the time, is things always take longer than you anticipate. Hmm. They just, they just do. They just do. And your story is not, is not unique. Um, you know, obviously, you know, you said you've been listening to this, to the podcast since you've been 16. So then you should be very familiar with First Form's history, when you guys opened up your first store and everybody was sleeping in the store. And I think, I, I don't remember your first month or something, you made like $12 or $18. Yeah, seven bucks the first day. Yeah. Yeah.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you don't, you don't have a, you don't have a unique, you don't have a unique story. So a lot of people have gone through this. So when you're taking a vet, when you're taking the lessons from these individuals, listen, don't think you're alone, you're alone in this, but whatever mistakes you made, you cannot continue to make those same mistakes. It's like, you know, you have to learn, you have to learn from this failure. Like they're saying, failure is a learning process. So if you're going through it and you like, you're going to try to do it the exact same way, the same method with even the same people and the same attitude, it's not, it's not gonna, it's not gonna work. There has to be some, there has to be some adjustments there.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  And maybe the people that you were doing business with, or the, some people involved in your business, you gotta look at them and see if they're part of the win or part of the loss. Yeah. I also think it's important for every-

• 11:34Andy Frisella?

  Everybody to understand like dude, whether you're playing basketball or baseball or football or entrepreneurship or business. I mean, look dude, you know, you get in the, you get in the Hall of Fame of baseball for batting 300. You know what that means? That means you fucking struck out or got out seven out of 10 times. And everybody that you guys look at and see as winning, they don't necessarily show those parts of their journey. You know, they should, but they don't. And that's for a number of reasons, you know, one, maybe, maybe they've got a massive ego and they're embarrassed of, of the things that they did wrong.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  It's not cool flashy.

• 12:12Andy Frisella?

  Yeah, but, but the truth of the matter is, is that, you know, in, in my experience,

• 12:18Andy Frisella?

  you know, those have been the most valuable things. The times when things didn't work out, the times when things didn't go the way that it's supposed to go because it, it did allow, just like Tim said, for you to audit and say, okay, I can make this decision. This actually worked pretty good, but this didn't work well. Um, and then over the course of time, you start to find that recipe where the things that work, work and the things that you are weak, uh, you replace with, with either people or systems or, uh, a new skill set. And then you go at it again. And I think a lot of people, to your point, Tim, when they put these timelines on them, um, you know, they get to be the 25 and they're like, well, fuck, I didn't make it. So you know what? It's not for me.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Complete failure.

• 13:00Andy Frisella?

  Right. And that's just not the game. The game is very long. And these people that you look at and you say, I really want my life to look like that. I mean, dude, I, I could guarantee if you get them and you get a couple of beers in them, they'll tell you all the horror stories they had to go through to get to that point.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  And, and here's the thing is this, you look at the successful people and you talk to them and you, you go to them like, man, you made it. The first thing they'll tell you, I haven't made anything. Yeah. I haven't made anything. It's a, it's a, it's an infinity journey. It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't end. And that, I'm not always saying that's a, that's the best thing, but the true entrepreneurship, the journey never, the journey never stops. It just doesn't.

• 13:42Andy Frisella?

  You know, it's also important to note, dude, that, you know, the people who fail the biggest in life are usually the people that won early. Okay, we see this over and over again. We see this with the MVP of the high school football game.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:57Andy Frisella?

  Or we see this with,

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Great point.

• 13:59Andy Frisella?

  Right. You started out and you know, you, you hit on something and it made you some money right up front. And what happens is, or you know, like we see this with, with people's physical bodies, right? They were in shape, uh, they were attractive, they were, and then you see them when they're 40 and you're like, who the fuck is this? Right? And the, the reason for that is, is because they never actually had to learn the skillset to produce that outcome. And a lot of people who lose in life, the worst are people who won once. They won once and then they can't win again because they attach their identity to that one win. That came because you know what? There is some things that you're going to swing and you're going to hit real hard.

• 14:41Andy Frisella?

  And it might work out a little bit, but if you don't develop the work ethic, the skills, the habits that come behind that, you can't replicate it. And so the truth of the matter is to this guy who's asked this question, bro, you're in a much better spot than anybody could be over the course of the long term by failing that so early. Okay. If you had won that business so early, here's what your attitude would be. Everything I do wins.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:05Andy Frisella?

  Everything I touch turns to gold. And I know this from being around a lot of, uh, business people and a lot of people who have lost in their entrepreneurship journey. They constantly talk about that one time they won and they attach way too much to that one win. Uh, as opposed to, you know, are you winning consistently? What's it look like five years from now? 10 years from now? 20 years from now? And so I actually think that winning early is a very dangerous thing for people. Because they never learned the skills or, or, or develop the, the lessons that they need to learn to replicate that over the course of their life.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  The one thing I would also tell them, I was like,

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Take a little journey into your upbringing.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  All right, how you, how your parents, if you have siblings, how, how they handled winning and losing when you were growing up, not only for themselves, for you.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Cause that will, that has a lot to do with your identity.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, how much you attach yourself to it, yeah.

• 16:08Andy Frisella?

  Well, bro, you know, I mean, if you grow up around parents that are, you know, look dude, there's two, there's, there's the story of like the two sons, right? They have an alcoholic father and one son never touches alcohol because he saw what his alcoholic father did. The other son does exactly what his father did and ends up with the exact same life. And you have to have the awareness and the honesty to be able to look at your environment of where you grew up and say, what did I pick up from that? What did I see? Right? And sometimes that shit isn't fun to look at because dude, we love our parents and we were happy that,

• 16:47Andy Frisella?

  you know, they, they tried their hardest and we care about them and you know, it's, it's hard to look at someone that you truly love and say, man, they kind of fucked me on that. You know what I mean? Right. But if you're aware, if you, if you develop that self-awareness to be able to truly dissect things for what they are.

• 17:07Andy Frisella?

  That's where you want to be. You want to live in that zone. You don't want to attach your emotions to either. You want to see things for what they are. And when you can do that without emotion, it makes your chances for success. You know, that much greater.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Love it, man. I love it. Uh, guys, Andy, Tim, let's get to question number two.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Andy, I feel like once people labeled me capable, the expectations never stop.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  I can't fail quietly anymore. And that pressure makes every decision heavier. It's like I am expected to succeed now. So what do you do when you don't? I know every single at bat isn't gonna be a home run. I get that, but the people counting on me don't. So how do you handle this?

• 17:53Andy Frisella?

  I say that's a great fucking problem. Most people can't put the expectation of winning on themselves. They have to have it put on them externally. And when you're lucky enough to be in a situation where everybody expects you to fucking win, that pressure is automatic. And by the way, nothing good ever comes without pressure. So I would consider yourself pretty fortunate to have that. Because the worst thing that could happen were for you to be going through your life and be surrounded by people that just expect you to lose. There's no pressure. There's no, there's no expectation. And ideally, you should have that expectation on yourself. But sometimes it takes external pressure to, to, to, to, to start embodying that full time. Because dude, like we just talked about an hour ago.

• 18:37Andy Frisella?

  It fucking, it, it's heavy as the fucking head, right? When you're that dude, guess what? It comes with that dude shit.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:46Andy Frisella?

  You know what I mean?

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Everybody wants to be, everyone wants to sit in that chair. Everybody wants to sit in that seat until it's time to sit in that seat. Until it's time to make those decisions. Listen, pressure's a privilege, folk. Stop, don't run from it. You don't run, you don't run from pressure. You run toward, you run towards it. All right? Pressure defines who you are and who you're not, but also defines who you can become. All right? So the, don't, you know, you sit here and you watch what separates the top business people, the, the CEOs of the companies, the, the pressure when they have to make those, when they have to make those decisions that affect, you know, tens and thousands of, of individuals. When you're watching a baseball, when you're watching a, a baseball player, a pitcher

• 19:31Speaker 02

  or a batter or a basketball or a quarterback or so forth. You know, it's the, it's the wins and losses comes from individuals that can handle the pressure. That's not only internal, but that's, that's also ex, that's also external. Obviously, those people see something in you. But make sure you're taking the, the, the pressure, the individuals that are putting the pressure on you. Are those individuals that does that have the right to do that?

• 20:01Speaker 02

  All right, this is, this is, you know, it's just not people that are trying to that are looking to bank off of your bank off of your success. So if you want to alleviate some of that pressure is alleviate those individuals. Alleviate those individuals, then the pressure that that's bestowed on you is actually pressure that you want.

• 20:23Andy Frisella?

  How do you think, have you ever met anybody like, I mean, dude, you've, you've, you've coached literally the greatest achievers in all different areas, sports, business, etc. Have you ever met anybody that, that, that didn't want that?

• 20:38Speaker 02

  Not at the highest level.

• 20:40Andy Frisella?

  The pressure?

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, not, not, not at that, not, not at the, not at the highest level. And then you know what you also look at? It's your, it's your consistent habits over and over again that people, that people see that allows other individuals to believe, you know, believe, believe in you, you know, you look at

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Michael in the, you know, in two of the championship games, he gave the ball to Steve, he gave the ball to Steve, he gave the ball to Steve Kerr for that shot, he gave the other one, he, he gave the other one to John Paxson. All right, but it took him years of watching those individuals in games, their practice habits, how they showed up to be able to say, okay, I trust, I trust those, I trust those individuals to pass them the ball. So it doesn't always, you don't always have to be the a lot of times your best individuals on in the organization and team are the ones that can handle the pressure the best, but there are also other individuals during certain circumstances. You have, you gotta know who to pass the ball, who to pass the ball to and let them say, hey, they're, they're

• 21:48Speaker 02

  create that. Take that pressure, take that pressure situation, have everybody come your way.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  And then make the right play.

• 22:03Andy Frisella?

  I feel like a lot of people get stuck in this idea that they're the only ones that can operate during pressure, which makes the pressure feel even greater than what it is.

• 22:15Andy Frisella?

  How does someone go about figuring out who's who in regards to who can also handle that pressure when the time comes?

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Well, like I said, you have to be around those individuals. It has a lot to do with the dynamics of them growing up, who they're hanging out with, what situations they put in. I mean, now, I hate to say this, but you know, society is, the way in our system is, it's, pressure's not a good, pressure's not a good thing anymore. It's just, you know, it's everything, we gotta treat everybody the same. We can't make anybody look a certain way. I mean, there's schools now that literally, when I went to school, you had to make a presentation. You got in front of the class, or you got in front of the whole school, and you had to go out there and stand in front of the audience and tell them what you had to say and so forth.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  Now, because they don't wanna, they don't want to create anything different, you can literally take your cellphone and record your presentation now, under your own. Yeah, in the safety of a bedroom.

• 23:22Andy Frisella?

  I got a note because of my anxiety, I can't do the presentation. Well then, guess what, bitch, you're gonna lose.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  You're gonna, cuz that, and then when you're exposed to that situation in real life, and you will be at some point, I don't care how protected you are.

• 23:37Andy Frisella?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  You have, you have zero, your body is a foreign substance. Your body doesn't even know what it is. You're crumble. Yeah, you're gonna be like, what's gonna, what's gonna happen?

• 23:48Andy Frisella?

  Well dude, and that's why it's so important for you to seek out uncomfortable situations.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:53Andy Frisella?

  Every single chance you get. Like, if you struggle with speaking, you should be trying to speak in front of two people, three people, five people, as much as it takes for you to lose that, that feeling, okay? And, and what happens is, over time, your skill set becomes so strong and so competent, bro, you don't even notice that there's pressure. Like, you don't even feel it. Like, a lot of people think, like, they look at like, high achievers and they think, man, that guy does really good under pressure, except... That guy doesn't even feel the pressure. No. That's, that's, it's not even in his mind. There's no, there's nobody that you watch on TV that is truly great at what they do, whether it be UFC, or baseball, or basketball, or this or that, or this.

• 24:37Andy Frisella?

  That, they don't feel it because they've acclimated to it over and over and over and over. And once you're acclimated to that level of pressure, it seems like it's some sort of supernatural power. But it's, it's very methodical and it's very tactical. And as long as you, it's, it's no different than a cold plunge. Okay, you get in a cold plunge the first day, I don't give a shit who you are, bro. You're gonna freak the fuck out. Okay, but if you do it every day for a year, okay? You're gonna be around your buddies that have never been in a cold plunge before and you're gonna get right in there and they're gonna be like, "Oh, well, that's, that's no big deal." But then when they get in, they, they freak out.

• 25:18Andy Frisella?

  So a lot of this is just acclimation, dude. It's just looking for situations.

• 25:25Andy Frisella?

  I mean, the first thing is you gotta be aware of your lack of skill, right? And you gotta be aware that I need to work on this, or I need to work on that. And let me tell you something about speaking, because it's a great, it's a great thing to talk about right now. Uh, there is not a better skill than you can have than being able to communicate under pressure. It is like the skill. So, you know, when I first started public speaking, I was speaking to my team and, and, and the, in the back of my, in the front of my retail store. And I had a piece of paper with some notes on it. And my paper, my hand was looking like this. And there's eight people in the room and I'm freaking the fuck out. But dude, when you do that, like a lot of people will say, "Well, how the fuck did you learn how to speak?"

• 26:06Andy Frisella?

  Well, I had to do it every single week for 10 years before I ever got on a stage. And then when I got on the stage the first time, I was fucking freaking out. But then I did that a gazillion times. And then now it's like, "Hey, you wanna go speak in front of 10,000 people?" I'm like, "Now?" Like, you know, like, like, right, you need me, like, what do I need to say? Like, what do you, which way you want me to go? Sure, I'll go do it. Like, these, this acclimation of-

• 26:36Andy Frisella?

  Pressure and, and being in situations that make you uncomfortable is extremely valuable because nobody was willing to do that fucking work, bro. Like, I was terrified to talk to people in public, terrified, okay? And even though I worked at a retail counter for 10 years, I couldn't go out in public and talk to people. I could talk to them very well when they were in my environment, but I couldn't do it outside of that. And I recognized that. So you know what I did? I made up a little game. A lot of you guys might recognize it from Live Hard. What I did was, I went to the fucking grocery store and I said, I gotta

• 27:16Andy Frisella?

  have three meaningful conversations and then I can go home with strangers. And this wasn't a, uh, you know, nice shoes. It was a conversation, right? I had to make it and force it into a conversation. And dude, I did that for years. For years, I did that every single day. The skills I gained from that exercise are very, very, very responsible for the outcome that I'm currently living in. And you guys have to understand, this goes for anything. This doesn't just go for speaking. This goes for, fuck, if you're learning how to run, or you're learning how to lift weights, or whatever, dude. It's just repetition after repetition after repetition to the point where it just feels natural. And most people, when it comes

• 28:01Andy Frisella?

  to like, pressure, run from the pressure their whole lives. Pressure is a bad thing. Pressure is something to be avoided. And because they have that mind frame, they never acclimate to it the way that you need to, to be effective. Do, does any of your athletes, uh, you know, like, do they ever talk to you like, "Hey, Tim, I'm having trouble with the pressure, man?" I mean, they might hit you privately and say, "Hey, man, I'm getting a little overwhelmed."

• 28:26Speaker 02

  But And I always tell them when they get overwhelmed, I was like, "Look outside the game."

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Look outside the game. What's the external thing that's bringing in? Because when you get overwhelmed, it's usually not by the situation. It's all the external. That's why I said you need to take a look at these outside individuals. And this goes back to a lot of pressure stuff has to do with rejection. So the one thing, that was a great story that you just said about going to the grocery store. How many times did you walk up to somebody?

• 28:59Andy Frisella?

  They thought I was a weirdo.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Right. Just to reject, just to reject. As you're going into groceries, walking, nice shoes, they'll be like, oh no.

• 29:07Andy Frisella?

  Yeah, right, yeah.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  But just, just being able, that, once, that pressure situation, being able to just approach a stranger, don't know who they are, and that is more than actually striking up the conversation. Once you get into there, you're like, I'm good.

• 29:24Andy Frisella?

  Yeah. It's a huge, huge deal. And you can apply that to anything that you want to get better at.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  So don't run from the pressure.

• 29:32Andy Frisella?

  No. Not if you want to win.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  No, you gotta, you gotta run. You got, if you keep running from the pressure, you're gonna be running, you're gonna be running your whole life, man.

• 29:39Andy Frisella?

  Most people do.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're just gonna, you're just gonna, and eventually you're gonna get tired. You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna get, you're gonna get tired. You gotta go deal, go deal with that pressure, man. Go, go deal, go deal with the internal pressure, the external pressure, whatever it is, go deal. You will, you will be, you will, you will benefit so much for it in all aspects of your life. And, and here's the thing, if you don't deal with, if you don't deal with the pressure for your fam, for your family, it's gonna be generation. They're gonna watch how you do it, then the next generation is gonna run from it, the next one's gonna run from it. Somebody's gotta, somebody's gotta break the cycle.

• 30:15Andy Frisella?

  Absolutely. Love it, man. Love it, man. Guys, Andy, Tim, we got, uh, question number three.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Andy, I've been working hard for years, but my results aren't where I thought they would be at by now.

• 30:31Andy Frisella?

  Yeah, mine either.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Everyone's working hard. I hate man, just this, I hate, oh man, I hate that.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  I'm like, seriously, I've been working, I've been working, everybody in this building got, how many, you got what? How many employees do you got? Alright, everyone's working, working hard does not, people think working hard guarantees you results. Working hard does not guarantee you results. It just doesn't. Are you working hard on the, are you working hard on the right things? You maybe think you're working hard. Alright, you may feel like you're working hard, but you better look around and see how hard some of the other individuals are working.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, at one point, do you, do you stop telling yourself to stay the course and instead admit? You might need to change how you think, work, or, or even who you are.

• 31:19Andy Frisella?

  Well, I think the first thing that Tim said is the absolute truth, okay? Everybody fucking works hard, dude. You're, you're not even in the game if you don't work hard, okay? And it, you know that this is a pet peeve of mine too. Like, these motherfuckers that come in, bro, they come in and they're like, I'm a great, I'm a great on the team, I'm a great team member. I show up on time, I work hard. The fuck you talking about, bro? That is like the minimum. You have to do those things. If you don't do those things, you don't even have a shot, okay? And you can work hard your entire life and still lose. That's the thing.

• 31:59Andy Frisella?

  Working hard at the wrong thing, like you just said, guarantees a loss. So you have to have the awareness. For this person here, are you making improvement? How many years have you been working? Have you been addressing your weak skill points? Have you been learning lessons? Or are you continuing to just pound your head into that wall, hoping that it's gonna come down? Because I'm gonna tell you, motherfucker, it ain't, okay? The hardest, the, the most effective, highest achieving people in the world, understand that working hard is just part of it.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  They don't even talk about how hard they work.

• 32:39Andy Frisella?

  Dude, dude, it's, they, they literally don't, because it's just the price. But what they do talk about. Is could I do this a little better? Could I adjust my swing here? Could I move two steps this way and make it better? Am I doing this drill properly? Am I reading this kind of book? Am I actually good at this or am I making up for it with just grit effort? Okay. Because people love to say this shit now too. They like to say, well, it's not about working hard. It's about working smart. No dumb ass. It's about doing both for a very long time. Okay. And anybody who says this shit on the internet like this little fucking, oh, it's about working smart, not working hard. Those motherfuckers are lazy. Okay.

• 33:24Andy Frisella?

  And the people who say it's only about hard work. It doesn't matter. Those people are stupid. Okay. So you're either lazy or you're fucking stupid or you're effective. Effective people work hard and they learn along the way and they do that for as long as it takes to achieve the outcome. And that's the way it is. So I can't answer your question about whether you're not, you're on the right path because I don't have enough data to tell if, you know, are there are certain paths that you could choose that are not going to produce the right outcome? They're just not. Okay. Are most of them that way? No. But there are some. Okay. You're not going to be a multi billionaire selling fucking butterfly t-shirts.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:04Andy Frisella?

  Okay. If your goal is to become a multi billionaire, it's probably not going to happen on that path. All right. So you have to be able to align the outcome with the path and then accompany that journey with very hard work for a very long time with the ability to improve along the way. But most people want one or the other or something else. And it's just not the way it works, man.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  And listen, ask your peers, ask the people around you if you're working hard. Ask you, then, then, then, then, then see, you know?

• 34:36Andy Frisella?

  Well, what is hard work now?

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Well, it's hard work is so much simpler now because everything is literally you carry it around with you. You can get your research, you get your information, you get your podcasts, you get everything in here. When you're working hard, are you working hard on, on, on the right things? Do you have the skill set? You know, I get people that have read the books and so forth and they'd be like, man, you know? This book, I'm thirty years old. I had a dream of going to the NBA. I only played in elementary school.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Ain't happening, dude.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  What should I, what should I, what should I do? I was like, don't do it. Oh, you're being negative to me. Don't do it. Don't do it.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  You just had to doubt me to give me some fuel, right?

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Take, take that same energy and put it into some, into something else. Now, can you poss, can you possibly do that? That, that, that's what, that's what it is. All right. It's just like this work.

• 35:36Andy Frisella?

  Well, we eventually all have to have an honest conversation about what our natural propensity for skill set is. You had to. You played college basketball. You didn't, you didn't, you didn't, you had to come to a time where Tim had to say to himself, uh, this has a limit for where I'm gonna go. But.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  I was a sophomore or I think I was a sophomore, junior in college. I played a junior in high school. Man, that dude kicked my ass. He up and down. I played him one on one, man. Up and down the court, up and down the court, up and down the court. I like, I like, yeah. Okay. Yeah. And he eventually ended up going pro, had a great, had a great career, was a client of mine a, a, at some, at some point in his career. But I was just like, you, you gotta be, you gotta be realistic about you. Like you said, what your, what, what your skill set is,

• 36:32Speaker 02

  what your skill set is and what you're capable of doing. And here's the one thing now, on TV and on social media and everything that's out there, you get to see how talented individuals really, really are.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, the best.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  You see some of the skill sets of individuals on, you know, on these, America's Got Talent or wherever the show is or whatever's got here. And you look at these individuals, the dancers, the singers and so forth. And these people, they're just trying to make it. You get to see the artist, some of the, you know, if you stop looking at all, all the bullshit that's on your phone and you look at some of the artistic talent that people have and how creative they are and. Your level of expertise in competition now is exponentially higher because there's so much exposure out there. See, what you thought was hard work may not be hard work anymore.

• 37:32Andy Frisella?

  That's right. And also, you know, when we think about like the outcomes that we're after, usually people have pretty ambitious outcomes, which is great. But you have to realize like for every single person you see on America's Got Talent, there's a thousand more just like them that didn't make it. Okay. So you got to be honest with yourself, but not, not in a pessimistic way, in an honest way, right? There's lots of people, I'm one of them, that did not have natural skill set for certain things. Okay. I was not naturally good with people. I was not naturally good at speaking. These are skills I developed over repetition, repetition, repetition.

• 38:12Andy Frisella?

  But if I had decided that I wanted to play pro basketball, it doesn't matter how fucking hard I worked. It doesn't matter how many drills I had. It doesn't matter who I hired as my coach. Guess what? It ain't happening. So people hide, look, winners are going to win regardless. They're going to figure out a way to fucking win. You have to be very honest with yourself. Are you not winning because you can't win? Or are you not winning because you haven't been doing it long enough? Or are you not winning because you haven't learned the skill set yet? Okay. But if the winning that you're after requires you to run a 4240 and you're 300 pounds, it ain't happening. So you got to be honest about yourself in your assessment

• 38:56Andy Frisella?

  of where you're strong, where you're weak, where could you be great? And then you have to develop an outcome that allows you to get there with what would be considered some of your maybe gifts, but they're not, everybody's, very few people have a quote unquote, a gift that doesn't have to be nurtured and developed, right? Like, we get caught up in this language of, oh, that guy's gifted, that guy's gifted. Yes. But they also put in thousands upon thousands of hours to developing that gift, right?

• 39:28Speaker 02

  It's almost disrespectful to just say, yeah, yeah.

• 39:31Andy Frisella?

  It's very disrespectful.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  You're a gifted speaker. It's like, what the fuck you talking about?

• 39:34Andy Frisella?

  Listen, it's what we just talked about this on the other show. It's one of my most annoying pet peeves of people. It's like, there, because there's nothing casual about winning, bro. Nothing, nothing, nothing. People who win are fucking obsessed with winning. And when you come in and you think that you can do half their work, or, uh, learn half their skills, or you're gonna find a way around that, you gotta realize that's an ego problem with you. You think you're better than you actually are, which is keeping you from getting where you want to go. And so there's all different kinds of ways to think about this. And I think most people are hiding in their assessments of themselves.

• 40:19Andy Frisella?

  And what I mean by that is this. This person here says, oh, I've been working for years. And I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not there. So.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  You notice he didn't say how many years?

• 40:31Andy Frisella?

  No, he didn't. Yeah, was that one, is that one and a half years?

• 40:34Speaker 02

  He didn't say, he didn't say how many years.

• 40:36Andy Frisella?

  Is that 10 years?

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:38Andy Frisella?

  Okay, New Year, like. Hey, bro, it took me 10 years to make over a hundred thousand dollars. 10 years, 10 fucking years, okay? Tell yourself the truth. Are you really after that outcome? Are you pouring everything that you could into it? Are you learning every skill along the way? And if you still have been doing it for 10 years, and that's the honest answer, you probably should be doing something else.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Something else. You don't have the talent for whatever you're doing.

• 41:05Andy Frisella?

  Right. But, but that's super rare.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:08Andy Frisella?

  Unless it's like something like athletically or musically inclined, right? Like, I used to have this guitar teacher. And dude, he, he was fucking amazing. Joe knows him.

• 41:19Andy Frisella?

  And we would play songs that I wanted to learn that he had never, he was a jazz guy. He liked jazz. So I'd play him songs that he had never heard and he'd fucking play them back. Like I'd play the song one time, he'd play the motherfucker back. And I'm like, and I remember I was sitting there one time and I was like, dude, you are so talented. And he fucking stopped right there, stopped right there. And he goes, I've been, he was 52 years old at the time. He goes, I've been playing guitar since I was eight years old. He goes, I have tens of thousands of hours sitting here with this instrument. This isn't talent. I worked for this. And it, like, he was serious, dude.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Oh, he was hot.

• 42:00Andy Frisella?

  And I was like, fuck, I never said that about anybody ever again. Yeah. Because I was discounting the work he had put in.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:08Andy Frisella?

  And he was upset about it. And I, I never made a mistake ever again.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  You see some of the greatest bass players, guitar players in the bands and the way they be doing, you're just, you're mesmerized by it. But they, they've been doing it for, for decades.

• 42:23Andy Frisella?

  Decades.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  For decades. And they still practice it as though it's their first day.

• 42:27Andy Frisella?

  That's right.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  And they're still trying to get better. They're still trying to figure out, they know they, they've never hit perfection. They're always, they're constantly chasing perfection, knowing they're never going to catch it. But that's what it is. They're always looking for that, that, that, that perfect song, that perfect string, that perfect everything. And the obsession to constantly get better and get better and get better. But what you said, it's years and years. They've had the, they've had the, they've had the talent. They're willing to improve and so forth. What do you, you know, just working hard is not, I could sit here all day and I could dedicate the rest of my life to say, okay, I'm going to, whatever it is, if I don't have the,

• 43:07Speaker 02

  if I don't have the ability, the talent, if I'm not good at it, it doesn't, it doesn't matter.

• 43:10Andy Frisella?

  Or the time.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. Yeah.

• 43:12Andy Frisella?

  Yeah. I mean, dude, you could, you could create a lot more skill set when you're 20 than you can when you're 60.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:17Andy Frisella?

  You just have more time. So the fact that this person is young, that's a good thing. All right.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Great thing.

• 43:23Andy Frisella?

  But we have to be real about this, dude. This is not, greatness is not an accident. It really isn't. And it's painted as if it is, but it's not. You just don't see the things that go into it. So you assume it's magical. Like whenever I, my buddy Matthew, the guitar guy.

• 43:42Andy Frisella?

  That's magical to me. I was like, how the fuck could anybody do that? Like, I couldn't believe it.

• 43:50Andy Frisella?

  But I wasn't there for the forty something years that he, forty-two years or whatever it was that he played.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  So what is magic? Magic isn't what you see, it's what you don't see.

• 44:00Andy Frisella?

  Man, there you go.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  It's what you don't see. So when that person has that magical skill, that magical talent, that magic, makes that magical shot, it's what, it's all the hours, it's what you don't, it's what you don't see. When a magician isn't, everybody, it's what the magician doesn't show you what makes things ma- ma- what ma- makes things magical.

• 44:19Andy Frisella?

  And I, I, I think too, dude, you could become pretty good at shit. Like, if I started today, if I started playing guitar today, okay? I haven't played in a number of years. If I started today, let's just say I never played before, and I played every single day, and I did that for five or six years, I could go play in a band.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:39Andy Frisella?

  I could be in a band, okay? But I'm not gonna be the fucking Rolling Stones, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah, right. I'm not gonna be Jimi fucking Hendrix, bro. Like, so we have to be real about these things, and the internet wants to like, make everything seem like it's, everything can be done. There's actual real constraints to your achievement that if you're not aware of, will keep you from achieving anything.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:03Andy Frisella?

  So, to this person, okay, we don't know how long they've been doing it. We don't know, you know, they say, oh, I've been working hard, but for example, like in Operator Standard, we have this, we have a power list system, right? You could plug in the wrong shit every day on your power list and fucking win your days.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:19Andy Frisella?

  But that doesn't mean it's gonna produce the outcome you're after. You have to have the awareness to know what the critical tasks are that move you towards that goal.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:26Andy Frisella?

  Right? So, we could get caught up in this idea of working hard without, like Tim said, working hard on the right things.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:33Andy Frisella?

  And that is a huge difference.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  I was gonna ask you guys on that note, right? Like, from your experience, how many of those, how, how, how many people would you say that, you know, yes, okay, let, let's, let's, let's, let's hit, check the box, they're working hard, but they're not working hard on the right thing?

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's time to upgrade your oil ring, man. That thing don't fit no more.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Huh? Nah, it's just a little rubber. Oh, that's there.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Let's check it.

• 45:57Andy Frisella?

  DJ's down a hundred since he met you. Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Oh, Tim checks in on me, man. I know. Checks in on me.

• 46:04Andy Frisella?

  I know.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  But no, I mean, so.

• 46:06Andy Frisella?

  He almost came down here and beat your ass one time, bro.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  He did. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  I wasn't gonna beat his ass. I'd bring other people that would help.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  At my age, I delegate.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  I was gonna punch my Michael Jordan, man.

• 46:20Andy Frisella?

  I had to pull DJ aside. I said, hey, bro, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. There's only a few people that you fucking better fucking text back. And he's one of them.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  That's right. No, but let me, let me ask you guys this. On, on the topic of, you know, let's check the box. They're working hard. Okay, that's not a question. Okay, you're working hard. You're just a little off, like you're off target. Yeah. Maybe not on the right thing. How, what, how would you guys, like, what would you guys say? Like, is that the majority of people that are just a little off from target? Or is it like?

• 46:51Andy Frisella?

  Are we assuming that they actually work hard?

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Actually work it hard.

• 46:54Andy Frisella?

  Okay, so we're assuming they actually work hard.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  I, I actually.

• 46:57Andy Frisella?

  And you're, you're asking, out of the people who don't achieve what they want to achieve, but they actually work hard, what's the problem?

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Right. Are they just a little off? Or for most people, they're probably really far off?

• 47:09Andy Frisella?

  I think most people lack self-awareness.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:12Andy Frisella?

  I think most people don't have the ability to coach themselves.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:15Andy Frisella?

  I think the greatest people in the world have the ability to coach themselves. I don't think they attach emotions to their performance. You know, like, when you talk to someone, like, okay, I'm a bad loser. I fucking hate losing. And for about 20 minutes after I lose, do not fucking talk to me. Okay? But after that 20 minutes, I'm able to sit down and I'm able to say, okay, why did I lose? What did I do wrong?

• 47:41Speaker 02

  You're able to break it down.

• 47:42Andy Frisella?

  Right. What did I do wrong? How can I do it better? What needs to happen next time so I don't get like this again? That's a skill that a lot of people don't have. And I, I've always been able, I've been very fortunate. And I think, you know, growing up around my dad really helped me with this. Because I can remember one time.

• 48:01Andy Frisella?

  I was wrestling and my dad will tell this story, but I had to wrestle this dude who like, he never, he, this guy never lost a match in high school ever. He played in the NFL. And um, I had to wrestle this dude and I remember we were at wrestling and I was a heavyweight. Okay. So. We could have guessed that. Yeah, no shit.

• 48:23Andy Frisella?

  Man's a weight. So, so, so back in my day in wrestling, when you were a heavyweight, you got a lot of forfeits. All right. Which means they didn't have a heavyweight. So like I look around and you know, you look around the room for the other fat guy. All right. And you're like, all right, where's the fat guy? All right. No fat guy, oh good. So I'm wrestling, we're at this wrestling weigh in and I'm looking around, there's no fucking fat guy, but you still have to weigh in. Okay. So I get on the scale and dude, I used to get like super nervous before wrestling. I didn't get nervous for, for any sport except wrestling because dude, there's no fucking hiding. It's you and that other dude and everybody's watching. All right. So I remember I'm like, I get on the scale and I'm all calm and shit. My coach looks at me and he's like,

• 49:08Andy Frisella?

  he's like, man, what's, what's gotten into you? And I'm like, what do you mean? And, and I'm like, they don't, you know what, what do you mean? And he's like, and as he's like telling me this, like there's three of their coaches standing there and their coach starts taking off of their clothes. And I, and he's fucking yoked and I'm like looking at my coach and I'm like, why is their coach getting on the scale? And it turns out this was their fucking guy. Okay. This guy's like 240. I mean, dude, he played fucking tailback in the NFL. So you know what the fuck he, he's just one of them guys. I thought it was a fucking coach and I got fucking terrified, bro. I was like, fuck.

• 49:48Andy Frisella?

  So I went out there, I lost. I did okay, but I lost and I was so fucking pissed off on the way home when I lost. And my dad was like laughing at me. He's like, first of all, let me tell you something. Nobody expects you to win. Okay. Let's just start right there. Second off, why'd you lose? And we went through the whole thing, right? And so my dad was always very good at like breaking down the losses. When I, it wasn't ever, you know, we'd, we celebrate the wins. Okay. But way more valuable when I lost like if we had a football game, you know, we would break down like not in a film way, but he would take all the bad plays. He said, what happened there? What happened here? What happened there? Right?

• 50:31Andy Frisella?

  And that taught me at a very young age, how to do that, to break down and coach myself. And the highest achievers, and I would be interested to see if this is common with.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  I already know what you're gonna say.

• 50:44Andy Frisella?

  They do it themselves. And then, then like, like, like, bro, like when I've had problems before and I've called you, I already knew the fucking problem. I called him and I said, hey, man, uh, this what's going on? Blah, blah, blah. What do you think? He's like, yeah, you're fucking right. This, so like the, the highest achievers have an awareness that's not emotional. They might look emotional in the moment. They might get pissed off when they lose. They might fucking break shit. But eventually they calm down and they're like, all right, here's what happened.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  They've had so many conversations with themselves. Like you said, they can, they can self, I would have, before I could point something wrong, they would already say, I already know. Already got it.

• 51:24Andy Frisella?

  I think that's a common amongst, amongst the highest level winners in anything.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's why coaches always say they're the easiest to coach. You know, the common factor, my Utah.

• 51:35Andy Frisella?

  And if people think that because what they think when they say that is that guy's so good, I don't have to coach him. That's not what it is.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  No. And, and you know, Tom, so, um, uh, there was a thing I just saw on, um, Tom Brady, and I know we're going a little bit off subject. He's just said he could look at a playbook once.

• 51:57Andy Frisella?

  I know it.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  I know it.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Like an NFL playbook.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  NFL playbook. He goes, I know.

• 52:02Andy Frisella?

  Yeah, but dude, if you look at Tom Brady and you look at his background and you look where he came from and you look how he was drafted, he wasn't a fucking star anywhere, dude. So what happened to him? He had, this is my fucking outcome. This is where I want to be. What do I have to do to get there? Well, I'm not the fastest. I don't have the best arm. I can play. So I gotta be smarter and I gotta learn the game and I gotta be technically perfect.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:27Andy Frisella?

  And that's, this is, dude, the, the, the guys who win over and over and over, they are those guys.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  That's working hard on the right things.

• 52:35Andy Frisella?

  Yeah.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  You see what I'm saying? So he's, I'm, listen, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be the fastest quarterback. I'm not gonna be able to do this. I don't, I got a decent arm. I got this. But you know what? The ability for me to process information, recognize situations, lead, lead a team, being able to know, know not only my playbook, but the opponent's playbook, after I see it, there, there you go.

• 52:58Andy Frisella?

  Bro, and, and dude, let's be real about this. This is the truth. The most talented people rarely fucking win. It's the guys with some talent. It's the guys with some ability because here's what happens. These dudes that have this gift that we all call talent, maybe they run a four one forty. Or maybe they fucking jump seventy inches, whatever the fuck it is. They lit, they, they, they, what happens is they end up relying on that.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 53:23Andy Frisella?

  Okay?

• 53:24Speaker 02

  They're not reading the playbook.

• 53:25Andy Frisella?

  No, that's right. Bro, there's a very famous story about Jamarcus Russell, about not reading the playbook. Jamarcus Russell, you remember Jamarcus Russell, number one fucking draft pick in NFL. He's supposed to be the greatest quarterback ever because physically, he was. He was fucking six, five, two eighty, ran fast, threw, beat, no one could touch him. So he gets drafted number one and, and he goes out on the field and, and the, and the Raiders, he got drafted by the Raiders. And they're like, this guy's pretty good. So he refused to read the playbooks. Okay? And they were pretty sure that he wasn't reading the playbook. So they fucking gave him a playbook that didn't have any fucking plays in it.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 54:09Andy Frisella?

  And they told him to go home and read it. He came back the next day. He's like, yeah, I fucking read it. And if you don't know about NFL history, Jamarcus Russell's one of the biggest busts in the history of fucking NFL. No offense if he's listening, but you were, okay? But he could have not been, if he was slightly less physically gifted, he probably would have realized, I have to do all of these other things. So a lot of the people that you look at and you say, oh, man, that guy's great. That guy's great at what he does. It's not because they're the most talented. It's because they had a little bit of talent, but they were willing to do all the shit that goes with it. And like, dude, if we look at like, fuck dude, Michael Jordan's the same way. Is he not?

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Talent is a gift. It's not a promise. And people think it's a, people think it's a promise. So another story that you wanna, that Derrick Henry, so when he got to, when he got to Alabama with Nick Saban, you know, they had all these intricate plays to run and all, and he was totally lost. And then it was like, he goes, and Nick goes up to him, he goes, what's my, he goes, in high school, he goes, they gave me the ball. They said, go run that, go run to the other end. He goes, that's all. He goes, they gave me the ball, said, go run to the other end. Cause he was just physically, yeah. Just like nobody, nobody could stop, nobody could stop. Now, he knew at the next level and the coach knew at the next step, that wasn't going to be enough. So he started

• 55:30Speaker 02

  to, had all the, has all the talent, had the speed, the power, everything. You know, it's legendary, but he was willing to start working on the things that he needed to work on in order to be this dude.

• 55:42Andy Frisella?

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  You know, he, he just wasn't relying on his so-called gifts.

• 55:47Andy Frisella?

  And now look at him.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:48Andy Frisella?

  Bro, he's one of my favorite players. And you know why? Because he runs and he's physical and he's big and he's faster than everybody, but he's gotten better as his career has gone on.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:00Andy Frisella?

  And that's a testament to what you're talking about, Tim.

• 56:02Speaker 02

  It is.

• 56:03Andy Frisella?

  Yeah.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:04Andy Frisella?

  Anyway.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Well, dude, I love it, man. This was great, guys.

• 56:06Andy Frisella?

  Yeah. Tim, dude, thank you so much for coming in, man.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  Always an honor, guys. Thank you so, my, it's always a pleasure. It's great to sit with you two individuals and just chop it up and. Like I said, I always, I come out of, the one of the reasons I do this is honestly, I, I take away so much from this. You know, I'm just not here just spewing information. I'm gathering information of how I can be, how I can be better and I can make other.

• 56:30Andy Frisella?

  Fuck dude, how old are you now?

• 56:32Speaker 02

  I'm sixty-one.

• 56:33Andy Frisella?

  Look at this guy.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:34Andy Frisella?

  Look at him.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Oh, I see him.

• 56:35Andy Frisella?

  Bro. Well. That's a high standard man right there.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  And, and I'm not ashamed to tell them.

• 56:40Andy Frisella?

  Yeah.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  You know, people, I, when people ask me how old I am, I tell them exactly, I, I don't hide from my age. I always say, I'm not old, I'm seasoned.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  I, I'm seasoned.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  He's like, fine, why not?

• 56:51Speaker 02

  I'm not, I'm not afraid, I'm not afraid to tell, I'm not, I don't hide. I, I, I don't, I, I don't hide. And there's the thing. I am more determined now on certain things. Listen, I may not be able to do things as fast as I, as I would, as I was, but my determination and the things I still want to accomplish. And, and it starts, if I don't, there's, um, old Saturday night, uh, live clip with, um, I'm trying to think of his, uh, his, the comedian's name. Oh, man. But, you know, it always says.

• 57:23Andy Frisella?

  Back in that black and white days, huh?

• 57:24Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 57:27Speaker 02

  It's going, it's going, it's going, it's going way, it's going way back. How you feel about yourself and how you look matters. It, it, it, it really, it really does, especially as you get, as you get older.

• 57:38Andy Frisella?

  Well, you're crushing it, dude.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  It, it, it really does. It's ve, it's very important. Do I, do I wake up every single morning and say, yeah, let me go to the gym? No, you know, it's, I gotta talk myself into it. But when I, when I get there, I'm like, I'm not gonna waste my time. And you know, obviously it can turn into a social setting. And there's a certain, I set a time. Once I get in, I have to be in here and I gotta be out of here. There's a lot of times I guess, I don't have time for conversation.

• 58:01Andy Frisella?

  The best part about Tim is when you say, when you tell him, I worked out for two hours. The fuck you did?

• 58:08Speaker 02

  When you work out, you have the gym to yourself, right?

• 58:10Andy Frisella?

  Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Sometimes it's just you two, but other than that, you're in there like, this is my time. I gotta, you know, I gotta finish during this and I gotta, I gotta get the hell out, I gotta get the hell out of there.

• 58:18Andy Frisella?

  Fuck yeah, man.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  Well, thank you very much.

• 58:20Andy Frisella?

  Bro, listen, it's.

• 58:24Andy Frisella?

  It's a, listen, man. I hope that sometimes you stop and think about how many people you've actually helped.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you.

• 58:32Andy Frisella?

  Uh, cause it is, it is, it's not just the Michael Jordans. It's not just the Bryce Harpers. You're fucking helping real people do real shit.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 58:41Andy Frisella?

  And I know we don't always see it, but I hear it all the time.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Appreciate that.

• 58:45Andy Frisella?

  All the time from people. So, uh.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  And part, hey, I want to say thank you too. Part of, we're going back on the physical thing.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  The support from First Form. Whatever I ask for them. It's literally, it's there with under, in less than 24 hours.

• 59:02Andy Frisella?

  Yeah, but the rest of you motherfuckers gotta pay.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  But they're, yeah, but they're, they're, listen, nothing comes for, nothing, nothing comes, nothing comes for free. All right. I don't, because.

• 59:14Andy Frisella?

  Actually, I think you are, you do pay.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  I, I am, I am blessed to have, to get the products that I, that, that I get, but I don't take it. I don't take that lightly. I give back. I give back.

• 59:29Andy Frisella?

  Tim, you, you've been giving back forever, man.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  And I'm gonna, I'm gonna continue. It's the only way, it's the only way I know how.

• 59:34Andy Frisella?

  Well.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  It's the only way, it's the only way I know how.

• 59:36Andy Frisella?

  We appreciate you, brother.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  I appreciate you guys too, man.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, man. Well, yeah, guys, Andy too. That is all I have.

• 59:43Andy Frisella?

  All right, guys, we'll see you tonight, 7 o'clock.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Today, you got plenty more, but this is all for the day.

• 59:48Andy Frisella?

  All right, 7 PM tonight, YouTube, X, Twitter, whatever you want to call it. We'll see you there. Don't be a hoe. Show the show.