Pod Insights RAGE Works Network-All Shows Film Fights With Friends - Episode 23 | Kristen Murphy About this episode As a stunt double for Taryn Manning in the slasher horror film BLOODLINE KILLER (2024), Kristen Murphy joined an incredible stunt team to brought some complicated fights to the screen. Kristen is a professional dancer turned stunt performer. She began working in TV and film at a young age, since being signed for commercial dance at 18 years old. A native New Yorker, born and raised in Long Island, Kristen was fortunate enough to be trained by some amazingly talented professionals at "Fivestar Sports Academy." She fostered a love for gymnastics, tricking, breakdancing, and everything in between. Kristen loves when she can fuse her acrobatic ability in stunt performances. As a dancer, Kristen has worked with artists such as Shakira, Grandmaster Flash, David Guetta, and Bebe Rexha. Her stunt career has included performances on THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JIMMY FALLON, BULL and SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE and in A KNOCK AT THE CABIN (2023). Kristen’s IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12799595/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk Kristen Stunt Reel: https://vimeo.com/917660842Kristen’s Dance Reel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81VB7klZ1yIKristen on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kristen_murphh/ MENTIONS:Bloodline Killer trailer: https://youtu.be/Wt9ENbPK3kM?si=7o6tETNdo5eHxXCv Bloodline Killer deaths: https://youtu.be/a5ZQRPhyfEI?si=ly-cCenBODiB10pZ Bloodline Killer final fight previs: https://youtu.be/sCPAEYclpF8?si=kcQhrw3OnPPFLcdU Special Thanks: Matt PhillibenFILM FIGHTS WITH FRIENDSDo you listen to our show as an audio podcast? Give video a try. Subscribe to our Youtube for the video version with awesome behind the scenes pics and video! https://www.youtube.com/@FilmFightsFriendsPod?sub_confirmation=1Dig the show? Consider supporting our Patreon. There are some cool perks! Patreon: http://patreon.com/FilmFightsFriendsPod Join our e-mail list! Hit us up here: [email protected] : http://instagram.com/FilmFightsFriendsPodFacebook: http://facebook.com/FilmFightsFriendsPodSteve’s Instagram: http://Instagram.com/sambosteve Steve’s IMDB: http://imdb.me/stephenkoepferPaul’s on Instagram: http://Instagram.com/KravMagaChefPaul’s IMDB:
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0:24 Speaker 00 Hey, what's going on everybody? And we are here on another episode of Film Fights With Friends Podcast. I'm your host, Paul Veraci.
0:32 Speaker 01 And Stephen Koepfer. Yeah, and we're here, man. This is episode, dude, we are close to the end of the season.
0:38 Speaker 00 We are. We're getting there.
0:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
0:41 Speaker 00 Not even that. I can't even say again. We're done. We're basically done, man.
0:44 Speaker 01 We've got two more.
0:45 Speaker 00 Two more episodes.
0:47 Speaker 01 We're killing it.
0:48 Speaker 00 Twenty-six. Twenty-six episode first season. That's pretty good, man.
0:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, totally. You want to do this again? Do you want to do it again?
0:56 Speaker 00 Oh, I thought you meant the intro.
0:59 Speaker 01 No, I think we're doing okay.
1:00 Speaker 00 I was like, did I fuck up the intro?
1:01 Speaker 01 Do you want to do this again, though? Do you want to do another season?
1:03 Speaker 00 Um, I do, definitely. Cool. I definitely want to do another season.
1:06 Speaker 01 We have to, we have to figure out something good for the finale, though.
1:08 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:09 Speaker 01 We got, we got one, one episode to figure it out.
1:11 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
1:12 Speaker 01 Cool.
1:12 Speaker 00 That'd be cool.
1:13 Speaker 01 So who's on the show today, man?
1:14 Speaker 00 Today, we have Kristen Murphy. Kristen Murphy, our, I just, you know, I hate to say it, but she's our little buddy.
1:20 Speaker 01 Dude, I love Kristen.
1:21 Speaker 00 I love Kristen. She's great. Um, you know, if, if you could put wings on her, she would be like Tinker Bell. I mean.
1:29 Speaker 01 She can fly like Tinker Bell already.
1:31 Speaker 00 She can in the air. She can move like that for sure.
1:33 Speaker 01 Hell, yeah. But she doubled Taryn Manning on Bloodline Killers.
1:38 Speaker 00 Uh, Taryn Manning is from Orange is the New Black.
1:40 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:40 Speaker 00 Would be her, her big.
1:42 Speaker 01 That's what most people would know her from.
1:43 Speaker 00 Most people know her from. Yeah.
1:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, sure. So this is a really, uh, classic B-movie slasher horror film.
1:52 Speaker 00 Tyrese Gibson is in it as well.
1:54 Speaker 01 Yep, Tyrese. Bruce Dern.
1:56 Speaker 00 Bruce Dern.
1:56 Speaker 01 How the hell do you get Bruce Dern in this movie?
1:58 Speaker 00 Right?
1:59 Speaker 01 Wow. I, I saw Bruce Dern. I was like, what? Bruce Dern is in this?
2:03 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:04 Speaker 01 That was, that was a surprise. That was cool.
2:06 Speaker 00 There's a lot of surprises in this movie.
2:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, but she did some really cool fight scenes.
2:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:12 Speaker 01 In this and we're gonna break them down.
2:14 Speaker 00 I can't wait.
2:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:15 Speaker 00 And also just bringing Kristen on the show. She's so fun to talk to.
2:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, she's cool.
2:18 Speaker 00 And, and it's, and she's gonna have some great insight because she's coming into the industry from an area that we don't, we haven't had anybody on the show that's, does a lot of dance and gymnastics and.
2:29 Speaker 01 Hip hop.
2:30 Speaker 00 And hip hop and all that stuff.
2:31 Speaker 01 She danced for the Knicks dude.
2:32 Speaker 00 So, yeah.
2:32 Speaker 01 She's like the, like legit dancer.
2:35 Speaker 00 So I think that there's.
2:36 Speaker 01 She's not like, I'm gonna get a move good enough to put on Instagram dancer.
2:38 Speaker 00 No.
2:39 Speaker 01 I mean, she's like a real.
2:40 Speaker 00 She's a professional.
2:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's legit.
2:42 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
2:43 Speaker 01 Very, very cool girl.
2:45 Speaker 00 Unique, with a, with a unique perspective.
2:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, for sure.
2:48 Speaker 00 You know, so, uh, yeah, this is gonna be great.
2:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to it. So, what you been up to dude?
2:53 Speaker 00 What have I been up to, man? I, you know, outside of, uh, fuck.
2:58 Speaker 01 I don't know.
2:58 Speaker 00 I don't know.
2:59 Speaker 01 You want me to tell you what you been up to?
3:00 Speaker 00 Yeah, please, tell me, tell me what I've been doing.
3:02 Speaker 01 You've been up to going to see a movie screening with me.
3:05 Speaker 00 That's right. We went and saw, we went and saw Dirty Rotten Scoundrels at the, uh.
3:09 Speaker 01 Museum of Moving Image. They're doing a, um, a retrospective of Frank Oz movies.
3:15 Speaker 00 And then afterwards, we got to stay for a Q and A with Steve Martin and Frank Oz, which was pretty amazing.
3:19 Speaker 01 Freaking awesome.
3:19 Speaker 00 It was awesome.
3:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:21 Speaker 00 And Dirty Rotten Scoundrels is one of the, one of my favorite movies ever. I probably watch that movie at least once, twice a month.
3:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, totally.
3:28 Speaker 00 It's just, what am I gonna watch? There's nothing on Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
3:32 Speaker 01 I'll listen to those two talk about their careers.
3:35 Speaker 00 Such amazing stories. Such amazing stories. And it's, and you feel like everything that they said was just like.
3:41 Speaker 01 It was awesome.
3:42 Speaker 00 From a legendary.
3:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:43 Speaker 00 It's, it's amazing.
3:44 Speaker 01 And hysterical.
3:45 Speaker 00 Yeah.
3:45 Speaker 01 Like this, when the little girl in the audience during Q and A.
3:48 Speaker 00 Are you the greatest comedian ever?
3:50 Speaker 01 Are you the funniest man alive to Steve Martin? He's like, yes.
3:53 Speaker 00 Yes, I am.
3:55 Speaker 01 But don't tell, but he goes, keep that in here.
3:57 Speaker 00 Don't tell anybody else.
3:58 Speaker 01 And we're, we're going to see Empire Strikes Back tomorrow.
4:01 Speaker 00 I know, I can't wait.
4:02 Speaker 01 Which everybody knows Frank Oz was Yoda.
4:04 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
4:04 Speaker 01 Oh my god. It's gonna be good. I can't wait.
4:08 Speaker 00 It's gonna be fun.
4:09 Speaker 01 And then what else have we done? We worked, I coordinated a student film that you came and worked with me on.
4:13 Speaker 00 I did, that's right.
4:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, we dropped a, we rigged up and dropped a disco ball on, almost on.
4:20 Speaker 00 Almost on someone's head.
4:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:21 Speaker 00 And they had to jump out of the way.
4:22 Speaker 01 Yep, we did a couple of falls and fight scenes and stuff. Really fun. School Visual Arts is a really good film program.
4:28 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:28 Speaker 01 Shout out to.
4:29 Speaker 00 That was a, that was a very professional set.
4:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:32 Speaker 00 I was, I was impressed working on that, yeah.
4:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, really talented young people, really motivated. I love working on student films because they're so,
4:42 Speaker 01 they're not jaded yet.
4:43 Speaker 00 Right.
4:43 Speaker 01 They're so in touch with their creativity and wanting to tell a good story. And it still has that indie film feel to it. I love working with them, you know? I mean, the flip side is they all think this is the best film that they've ever made and it will ever be. It's like their magnum opus or whatever. But, you know, but in general, I love working with the students.
5:04 Speaker 00 And, and when every, everything that they're shooting is, is, you know, like Fellini's Eight and a Half.
5:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:10 Speaker 00 It's like, come on, man.
5:11 Speaker 01 No, but, but, I mean, technically it is the best thing they've ever done because it's the most recent thing they've ever done, right? So, but it's, um, it's cool. I like working SVA people and the SVA program seems to be, more in touch with safety concerns than some of the other university programs. So I appreciate that about them.
5:35 Speaker 00 And then, you know, that, that kind of leads up into our, into our mailbag question a little bit.
5:39 Speaker 01 Yes, we do have a mailbag question from, by the way, another podcast host. He does a podcast, his name is Brian Doucette. He does a podcast called Everyday Martial Artist. Great podcast. You guys should check it out. But he actually reached out with a question. His son, well, let's just read the exact question. I won't paraphrase. He said, "My son, who is going to college for acting, wants to get back into martial arts. Interject a few years Taekwondo when he was younger. What are some of the best styles that could be beneficial for his acting career?"
6:13 Speaker 00 I mean, that is a good question, first of all.
6:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, some of the things I asked him was, well, what kind of act, does he want to be a screen actor? Does he want to be a stage actor? You know?
6:24 Speaker 01 Does he want to be an action actor? Like a lot of this, a lot of the goals, you know, like a lot of the answer would depend on what his goals as an actor are. But generally, I suggested, and I'm curious to hear your opinion. Cause I already told him my answer, but so we're kind of, I want to hear what your answer is. But I suggested that most actors, unless they become like action actors. Most actors aren't going to have to do more than throw some punches, do some falls, you know? And I was like boxing and judo. Like get your falls in, get your basic throws in. Get your really good body mechanics for your hand striking. You don't see like on the average, uh, you know, character actor on a TV show isn't doing like acrobatic flippy stuff.
7:08 Speaker 01 So just learn, get a foundation in something that you can build upon. And I think that for me, for an actor wanting to learn some skills, judo, boxing is a great combo. And then I suggested parkour. I said, listen, it's not a martial art, but actors are doing way more chase scenes than they are fight scenes. And to have some good parkour in your back pocket would probably be.
7:32 Speaker 00 I agree with that. I mean, having good body awareness and being able to get out of your own fucking way is a pretty huge, huge thing for actors to be able to do.
7:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, man.
7:41 Speaker 00 I mean, majority of the biggest issues of working with an actor that makes it tough is they can't get out of their own way.
7:45 Speaker 01 Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. So if you're going to be a stage actor, right? You, you don't have to work as hard on, in selling something to make it look real.
7:55 Speaker 00 Right. Because you're basically all selling it from one side.
7:59 Speaker 01 One side and super safe all the time because you have to do it like twice a day, seven days.
8:04 Speaker 00 Maybe even more.
8:05 Speaker 01 Yeah. And the audience doesn't really expect reality. But when audiences are watching a movie or TV show, they expect something that looks really real. And, um, you know, so it's a different level of expertise involved. And also like you're not playing to the nosebleed seats. Like if you're doing theater, you gotta do big, grandiose movements. And the people all the way up in the, the bleacher seats can.
8:29 Speaker 00 It doesn't, it doesn't matter if that, if it sells, they need to know what was happening.
8:34 Speaker 01 Yeah. I think the expectation of a realistic looking fight scene from the theater audience is not really, it's not on their.
8:42 Speaker 00 No.
8:43 Speaker 01 Not on their checklist.
8:44 Speaker 00 But they need to know someone was punched and they need to know, you know, someone threw a punch and they need to know someone got hit. So that just needs to be really big because again, you can be hundreds of feet away.
8:54 Speaker 01 I mean, ironically. Now that we're talking about it, I feel like, and we've talked about this on, on, on the show in the past, that, um, you know, we're trying to tell a story, right? Ironically, the theater audiences and the theater performers understand they're telling the story, they're a little more focused on the story than the, the fight.
9:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
9:13 Speaker 01 Right? Whereas a lot of time rookie and up and coming, uh, screen fight performers are a little more focused on the fight than the story.
9:20 Speaker 00 Yeah.
9:21 Speaker 01 So something in the middle is where you want to land.
9:23 Speaker 00 Speaking of being focused on, on the story and things behind, uh, we have a day change for our, uh,
9:29 Speaker 01 Oh, for the film festival.
9:30 Speaker 00 For the film festival.
9:31 Speaker 01 Yes, yes. They, the, the, um, art of movie making film festival has changed their date to, uh, what is it? September 2025. So I know we've been pushing the film festival, but they've actually moved into a larger venue.
9:45 Speaker 00 Nice.
9:46 Speaker 01 Which is a great thing. So there's a little more time to submit to the festival. If you have something to submit, um, definitely do it. We'll lick, link the film freeway in our show notes.
9:56 Speaker 00 Lick?
9:56 Speaker 01 We'll lick the film.
9:57 Speaker 00 Ah.
9:58 Speaker 01 We'll lick the film. But we will link, that would, that's some experimental film shit. We'll link it, lick it, and then project it. I don't know, dude. If you've got something to submit, the film freeway link is in our show notes, man. So, because they are going to have best stunt performance and the winner of that category will be on this very show.
10:24 Speaker 00 Best stunt performance, right? The best FX.
10:26 Speaker 01 They have all different stuff.
10:27 Speaker 00 Best, all, all, all great things. All of the, all of these small little categories that always seem to get overlooked, that, you know, are the, are the true glue that.
10:35 Speaker 01 Best stop motion, best puppetry, best wardrobe, best set, set deck.
10:39 Speaker 00 Puppetry. I can't wait to see all the entries for that.
10:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:41 Speaker 00 That's, that's, I know you, I know you're, you're like me. You like, you like puppets and shit. And shit's awesome.
10:46 Speaker 01 For sure, man. For sure. So definitely, uh, link in the show notes to submit.
10:50 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
10:51 Speaker 01 Um, what else we gotta say? We have a YouTube comment.
10:54 Speaker 00 We do have a YouTube comment.
10:55 Speaker 01 Yes.
10:56 Speaker 00 I love our YouTube comments.
10:57 Speaker 01 Frankie Bay.
10:57 Speaker 00 Thanks Frankie.
10:58 Speaker 01 Frankie Bay, I've known for a long time through the martial arts world.
11:00 Speaker 00 Nice.
11:01 Speaker 01 But he loved our, um, Harlequin episode with Andy Young.
11:05 Speaker 00 Ah, that's a good episode.
11:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, man.
11:07 Speaker 00 That was, I learned so much on that episode.
11:09 Speaker 01 Episode 13. Everybody go back and, go back and check that one out. But he loved it. What, what is his comment? He goes, this combines my love for animation and film fighting.
11:17 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
11:18 Speaker 01 Great episode, fellas. And thank you for watching it.
11:21 Speaker 00 Yeah.
11:22 Speaker 01 Endless. I think he actually listened to it too, because he posted on his social media, like his car dashboard, like his, his, uh, radio with it.
11:30 Speaker 00 Oh, cool.
11:30 Speaker 01 Tuned in.
11:31 Speaker 00 Nice.
11:31 Speaker 01 So that was pretty cool. But he's also on YouTube. So he's everywhere. We appreciate the follows, man. Very cool.
11:37 Speaker 00 That is awesome.
11:38 Speaker 01 Frankie Bay, you the man.
11:39 Speaker 00 Thanks Frankie.
11:40 Speaker 01 Yeah. What do we got, man? Sponsors?
11:43 Speaker 00 Sponsors. We love our sponsors.
11:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:45 Speaker 00 Stun Contact.
11:47 Speaker 01 What can we say? Same as we say every week.
11:49 Speaker 00 I mean, what can't we say? How about that?
11:51 Speaker 01 Stun Contact is awesome.
11:52 Speaker 00 There's a lot we can say. They're awesome. They do so much for not only the stunt community, just the entire production community in general.
11:59 Speaker 01 Great breakdown service.
12:00 Speaker 00 Great breakdown service. And I mean, on point. It's not like one of those half ass breakdown services where they'll send you something every once in a while. It'll be like, oh, you know, hey, look, three weeks have gone by. Here's what's been happening the last three weeks. Every week.
12:12 Speaker 01 Yep.
12:13 Speaker 00 Every single week, sometimes daily breakdowns.
12:15 Speaker 01 They do have a daily email subscription.
12:17 Speaker 00 But yeah.
12:19 Speaker 01 It's awesome. That are, that are, what is wrong with me, man?
12:24 Speaker 00 I don't know. Maybe.
12:26 Speaker 01 Less dyslexic.
12:28 Speaker 00 You are less dyslexic.
12:30 Speaker 01 Yes. I'm messing shit up today, but
12:35 Speaker 01 good thing I'm not controlling the, uh,
12:39 Speaker 01 the lines that are suspending anybody like Brett Copes does. You like that segue?
12:49 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
12:50 Speaker 00 It's fucking apple juice, right?
12:52 Speaker 01 This is.
12:52 Speaker 00 Putting whiskey in that thing, dude.
12:54 Speaker 01 Think about apple juice, man. See the skull? You see the skull? There should be a crossbones on here. This is just like in the cartoons. This is poison.
13:03 Speaker 00 And you let it ferment?
13:04 Speaker 01 Yeah. Brett Copes.
13:07 Speaker 00 Brett Copes, Fighter Flight Entertainment.
13:09 Speaker 01 The best.
13:09 Speaker 00 The man.
13:10 Speaker 01 Dude, his episode was great, too.
13:12 Speaker 00 That it was a great episode. It is a great. I mean, I can't wait. There's so many. We have so many great episodes coming up for you guys to watch.
13:19 Speaker 01 Well, it didn't. It's not coming up. It happened already.
13:21 Speaker 00 Wait, did it air already?
13:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, it happened.
13:23 Speaker 00 It did? See, I don't even, I don't even know it's aired. I, I watch, because I watch the, no, no, it is because I don't, I watch ones that haven't aired yet.
13:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:30 Speaker 00 So I don't know which ones have aired. I forget.
13:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, but by the time this one comes out, Brett will already, Brett will already be there.
13:39 Speaker 00 It's so funny.
13:40 Speaker 01 Have faith, Paul. There's a method to the madness with this evergreen shit.
13:44 Speaker 00 Or just don't smoke while you watch your fucking podcast.
13:48 Speaker 00 What?
13:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:50 Speaker 00 What, Paul?
13:51 Speaker 01 Paul, don't smoke, please? By the way, by the way, my wife loves that shit that you gave her.
13:59 Speaker 00 Oh, the rosin?
14:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, man. She wants more of that.
14:03 Speaker 00 Well, I'll see you tomorrow.
14:04 Speaker 01 Okay. Tomorrow at Empire Strikes Back.
14:07 Speaker 00 Very nice.
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14:15 Speaker 00 That, and that would be us.
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15:57 Speaker 01 Absolutely, for sure. I think that's about it. Time to bring on Kristen.
16:01 Speaker 00 Let's do it.
16:02 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yo, welcome to Giggles McGee over here.
16:11 Speaker 01 We knew, we knew bringing Kristen on the show is gonna be like
16:15 Speaker 00 The mad digger.
16:16 Speaker 01 Twenty percent talking, eighty percent laughing.
16:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, our humor just kind of like, we're all very similar in that sense. So anytime you guys say something, it's what I was thinking probably, so.
16:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, sure. Okay, cool. So, all right, thanks for joining us.
16:31 Speaker 00 Film Fights with Friends Podcast.
16:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, totally. So who do we got here? Who is this? Paul?
16:35 Speaker 00 I don't know. Um, uh, we just met like out on the street a little bit ago. Uh, your name is Frank?
16:44 Speaker 02 On Tuesdays.
16:45 Speaker 00 Esposito, we have on the show today. No, we have our, our good friend Kristen.
16:49 Speaker 01 Yes, and we're talking about the epic, and I mean epic, because there's a lot of talk about this movie. A lot of talk, good and bad. The B-movie slasher film Bloodline Killer. Which you were Taryn Manning's double.
17:06 Speaker 02 Yes.
17:06 Speaker 01 Which is actually pretty awesome.
17:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was super cool for me, honestly. I had never like, I had doubled actresses before, but this was an actress that I was like, oh my gosh, like I know who this is. I've watched her in Orange is the New Black and I was a huge fan of her career in general. So that was cool for me.
17:23 Speaker 01 It is kind of cool when that happens, right?
17:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:25 Speaker 01 Yeah. When you, like, it's like when I got on Ray Donovan, I was like, oh my God, I'm on Ray Donovan and I'm doubling Eddie Marsen, my favorite character on Ray Donovan. I was like, it's, it's cool when that kind of shit happens.
17:35 Speaker 00 The worst is when you have, is having to keep your shit together and not nerding out. Like, it's the, and I didn't realize that. Like, one of my first experiences, I met Simon Re, um, if you guys have never seen Best of the Best, he was Dayhan.
17:49 Speaker 01 Who never saw?
17:50 Speaker 00 And, um,
17:51 Speaker 01 Fuck you, man.
17:52 Speaker 00 See? So, uh,
17:54 Speaker 01 She's so young.
17:54 Speaker 00 So when I met Simon, like, I wasn't working stunts at the time. I was working, you know, uh, content security and I just nerded out and we just had a whole conversation and then all of the stunt guys came up to me and they were all just like, dude. Fuck you. And I'm like, what? And they're like, do you have any idea how bad we wanted to nerd out like that? And we just can't because we're all working. And I was like, oh, and then, and then it happened to me when I work stunts.
18:17 Speaker 01 Those moments are cool.
18:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:18 Speaker 01 Those moments are cool.
18:19 Speaker 00 Yeah, they are.
18:19 Speaker 01 So, but how, so let's dial it back. How did you get, how did you get the gig?
18:23 Speaker 02 So I actually remember I was sitting, I was sitting in my room and the coordinator, Matt Philippin, called. I was on a website that's no longer around, um, CMG.
18:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, CMG. That was like the go-to New York area, yeah, website.
18:36 Speaker 02 I, I was, I'm, I'm still a rookie, but like back then I was like even rookie-er.
18:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:42 Speaker 02 You could say that. And like, I remember, well, I'll start first. So Matt called me. He didn't know me from a hole in the wall.
18:49 Speaker 01 Right.
18:49 Speaker 02 And he was like, hey, I got this movie, Double Taryn Manning. I know I don't know you and you don't know me, but we'd put you up in Connecticut and have you done any driving? And I was like, driving? Like I still, that's not my thing at all. No, no training in that area. And I was like, uh, I'm gonna be honest with you, like, no. And then he was like, alright, send me some video of you doing some throws. I sent a video of us.
19:13 Speaker 01 Right, right.
19:14 Speaker 02 From training. We had like recently just done some of that. And he was like, alright, it works.
19:23 Speaker 02 And, um, that was the original first scene, uh, the fight with, uh, Tyrese.
19:28 Speaker 01 Right, right. And, and you sent us the rehearsal video for that. It's pretty cool.
19:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:33 Speaker 01 I remember when you did it, you, you sent, oh, look, I did this fight scene with Tyrese.
19:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:38 Speaker 01 You had to take a gun and shoot him and stuff.
19:39 Speaker 02 Cause I'd only done, um, practices with you guys and, you know, training with you guys was hard. So I'm, I was nervous. Once I got on set, I was like, oh my gosh, like this is gonna be a six hour, seven hour like gig and getting thrown around and stuff. And it's, it's very different.
19:54 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
19:55 Speaker 02 You know, so I felt very ready, but, um,
19:59 Speaker 01 It's not bullshit when we tell people like, right, when we have our workouts and we go like five, six hours and we tell people you have to be able to last that long. You have to be like the SWAT team.
20:07 Speaker 02 Yeah. You have to be uncomfortable.
20:10 Speaker 01 And then it won't be that long.
20:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely.
20:12 Speaker 01 On the day. I mean, the, the actual day that you shoot might be that long, but rehearsals and coming up with stuff, usually not that long.
20:18 Speaker 00 Being okay with being uncomfortable is a huge, huge part of this and being patient with it. And just understanding that there's nothing you can do. There's nowhere you can go.
20:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:29 Speaker 00 You're stuck, you know, so you might as well just. Why be pissed off for the whole ride?
20:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was cool too because we we got to have rehearsal in the basement. It was just coordinator, me and Larry, who was doubling Tyrese. None of us knew each other.
20:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, we'll put the rehearsal video in the, in the, yeah, in the episode so people can see it.
20:50 Speaker 02 Um, Larry had recently doubled Tyrese somewhere else, but like, you know, working with a bunch of people you don't know. We were up in Connecticut. So it's not like we were in New York and people worked together. Like no, Larry's from Atlanta, Matt's from Detroit. I'm from Long Island. It was like, we all had to trust each other and it, it worked. We gave production a bunch of different options for the rehearsal and we changed it on the day because you know how that goes, but.
21:14 Speaker 01 Of course.
21:15 Speaker 02 It was, um, it was really cool. It was a cool experience. I had to rack a gun, uh, which I had never, you know, really done before, um, fight with the weapon, but also look like her, you know, covering myself and whatnot, which was new. And I've tried to remember.
21:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:31 Speaker 02 Everything we talked about, but, um.
21:33 Speaker 01 What's her stature? Like, kinda like, little like you?
21:36 Speaker 02 She's, she's much slimmer than I am. Like, uh, you know, I'm a dancer.
21:40 Speaker 01 Right.
21:41 Speaker 02 Um, that's never gonna be my physique, but she's, yeah, we're about the exact same size.
21:47 Speaker 01 That's cool.
21:48 Speaker 02 Yeah. And we both were wigged. So that was nice. That it wasn't like, oh, this is gonna.
21:54 Speaker 01 So when you got through the rehearsal, did you feel like, phew, I did it? It was like, cause this is like your first real fight scenes, right? In a, in a movie?
22:02 Speaker 02 It was. And it was, it was cool to watch back, honestly, because I knew it was me.
22:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:07 Speaker 02 You could kinda tell it was me a little bit because I knew, you know what I mean? Like, um, but you know how sometimes.
22:13 Speaker 01 Watching it though, watching it, you can't really.
22:15 Speaker 02 You think? Maybe it's just cause I'm like, oh, like I know this.
22:18 Speaker 00 Well, cause you know your movements so well, especially, you know, you said, you know, you're, you do gymnastics, dancing, all that stuff. So you're, you're super aware of all of your movements and even your little micro ticks. So you probably see all that stuff.
22:30 Speaker 01 And by the way, for, for the people watching and listening, you're not just a dancer. You're like a fucking ass kicking professional dancer. You dance for who?
22:39 Speaker 02 Uh, I, I danced for Steve Harvey.
22:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
22:43 Speaker 02 Shakira, uh.
22:46 Speaker 02 I was in Adidas commercial. I've done a lot of
22:49 Speaker 01 Lots of stuff.
22:50 Speaker 02 I danced for the Knicks.
22:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:51 Speaker 02 On their hype team for years. That was a really cool live training because like if you mess up, everyone knows.
22:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:59 Speaker 02 Like, there's no, okay, let's cut and go back. And I feel like in a weird way with stunts, like, you don't really get that either a lot. If they like that take, well, that's too bad if you don't like it, you know, so.
23:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, we've talked about that before on the show, like where you feel like you could have done better. But they're like, that was great. Let's move on. You're like, but I could do better, you know?
23:20 Speaker 02 Manny Severio actually, um, taught me that because I was like, oh, do you have any notes? Like, do you have anything I could work on? And he was like, honestly, if I have nothing to say, that's good news.
23:31 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
23:31 Speaker 02 Don't, don't ask.
23:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:33 Speaker 02 And I was like, oh, my God, that's easier. I don't want to talk, so.
23:36 Speaker 01 For those listening, Manny Severio is like legendary New York area coordinator. Basically, he's coordinated like every M Night Shyamalan movie ever and lots of other things too, but.
23:46 Speaker 02 And that's what I worked with him on.
23:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, you worked on Knock at the Cabin.
23:49 Speaker 02 Yes.
23:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:50 Speaker 00 And he does a lot of the coordinating for Rockstar and video games.
23:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, Rockstar.
23:55 Speaker 00 Dude, I've been working for Manny for years on that. But like, yeah, that's like, if any video game nuts out there, I believe the last GTA, Red Dead, and this, Manny's all over it. So, yeah.
24:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. And it was my first job on Blacklist. I remember like after doing it, I had to get shot, fall down, do a couple of things, nothing, nothing crazy. But Court Hessler didn't say a word to me.
24:19 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
24:20 Speaker 01 And I was like, I felt like, oh, I totally fucked up, man. But then, then he booked me again two weeks later. I'm like, oh, maybe I didn't fuck up.
24:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:27 Speaker 01 So, no news is good news in this business.
24:30 Speaker 02 A lot of, um, don't speak unless spoken to almost in a way.
24:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
24:34 Speaker 02 When you're working more of, but I'm quiet personally, so that's fine with me.
24:40 Speaker 00 It's kind of, stunts is one of those things where it's like, you're there to do your job and not. Get praised for it.
24:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:50 Speaker 00 Or you shouldn't expect it. You should just go there, you do your job and then the quicker you get done with your job, normally the better you did.
24:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:58 Speaker 02 It's more comfortable to be like, all right, we did this. What's next?
25:02 Speaker 01 So, so you wrap up this, this rehearsal with the Tyrese fight?
25:06 Speaker 02 Yes. I had brought your back pad also, which is funny. I didn't have a full like.
25:12 Speaker 01 Oh, that's right.
25:13 Speaker 02 Stunt bag, just thinking back to that.
25:15 Speaker 01 But we've known you since basically you were just transitioning from your dancer life to your stunt life. Like you really hadn't done anything yet when you first met you.
25:26 Speaker 02 I had not. I had booked in Adidas commercial as a stunt performer and I got a taste of like what SAG was like and you know, it's, you make a lot of money when you, when you get a commercial or you do stuff as a performer. Yeah. I was, I was very fortunate with that because I flip. I'll book those, you know, like niche jobs and stuff like that. Um, but I, I also, so I break dance and I flipped and did like, a lot of tricking and, and stuff that most girls in my little, um, niche couldn't do, you know?
26:06 Speaker 01 Right.
26:06 Speaker 02 Um, so I was training with some people at the time and they were like, you need to join SAG. In the dance world, no one joins SAG. It's like the opposite. You're just not in union forever.
26:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:18 Speaker 02 Which, you know, to each their own.
26:20 Speaker 01 Sure.
26:20 Speaker 02 Um, but I joined in November of 2019 and that was a lot of money for me. I was freshly 21 years old.
26:27 Speaker 01 Great timing, by the way.
26:28 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah. The pandemic.
26:31 Speaker 01 I got in, I got in SAG, COVID.
26:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:34 Speaker 00 Strike.
26:35 Speaker 02 I had worked the 2020 New Year's Eve with Steve Harvey on Fox.
26:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:40 Speaker 02 And I remember looking back on that. I was like, wow, like everyone was probably sick. Just so weird to think about.
26:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:48 Speaker 02 But that was a SAG job. So I was like, oh, like, and it was a wonderful job, wonderful experience. And I was like, this is what it's like, you know? This is like real, swift people really working do. And then the world shut down. But it was cool. I don't regret it. I I'll never regret joining.
27:07 Speaker 01 No, of course. So you so you finished the fight. What was what? Tell us the difference between shooting the fight and rehearsing the fight on set?
27:16 Speaker 02 Uh, shooting.
27:16 Speaker 01 What was that experience like?
27:17 Speaker 02 Shooting. So you know how you get there and it's like, oh, you might get sides, you might not like the script changed 10 minutes ago, like, you know, stuff like that. And that was, I was like, okay. Um, and Taryn, she was so nice. She was very nice to work with, very friendly. I was actually holding her sides for her, which was a cool experience. It kind of made me feel like I was, you know, part of it. Doing that little part with her.
27:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, but people, people listening don't realize like the stunt double
27:48 Speaker 02 Right.
27:49 Speaker 01 does more than just
27:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:51 Speaker 01 stunt for them.
27:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, you have to have pads for them.
27:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, your pads for them, your moral support. Sometimes, you know, like I've doubled actors where I didn't have to do a fight for them at all. They did themselves. But in between takes, they're coming over. How'd that look? Did that look all right?
28:04 Speaker 02 And she was super like into being collaborative. Um, she's very easy to do that with. And again, I'm shy, so I didn't want to, you know, invade on her. You know, process or whatever she was doing. And she was really into it and she was, um, holding the gun. And she, we had done it where I crept up on Tyrese and then when it ended up happening was, you know, they kind of changed some things around and it was his double, it wasn't him.
28:32 Speaker 01 Right.
28:33 Speaker 02 Um, we never cut to the actors. It was us.
28:38 Speaker 01 Right.
28:38 Speaker 02 It was just the stunt doubles, which was really interesting to see because I was like, wow, they never, you know how sometimes the actor will do a run? It, there was none of that.
28:48 Speaker 01 Right. It was just you guys from beginning to end.
28:51 Speaker 02 I am on the pillow with the gun and like. It was a cool shot they did it. I guess because I was like this with the wig and she came right into frame and it was like it we changed the struggle with the gun a little bit. Um, just spacing and with the wig I couldn't see really, but
29:09 Speaker 01 Right, right.
29:09 Speaker 02 Um, it was a really cool experience.
29:12 Speaker 01 Yeah. And for those listening, we'll have the link to the fights in the show notes. Actually, well, we have the trailer in the show notes and then there's a video. I don't know if you saw it. It's like all the deaths in Bloodline Killer.
29:22 Speaker 02 Really? I did not. I have not.
29:23 Speaker 01 So it'll be in that. It'll be in that video. Yeah, yeah.
29:26 Speaker 00 When you were, when you started, you know, when you knew you had to double her and you met her for the first time and you started watching her on set, was there anything that she did that you were like, oh, I need to emulate that?
29:38 Speaker 02 Yes. Um, a lot of her scenes, she's like unhinged because, you know, obviously watching the movie, she was almost a bit of a mental patient herself, kind of like equally as.
29:51 Speaker 01 She was in that case.
29:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:52 Speaker 00 She was a doo doo doo.
29:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
29:54 Speaker 02 So, um, I would try to make sure my hands were a little shaky and like
29:58 Speaker 01 Right.
29:58 Speaker 02 not like, oh, fighting, huh? You know?
30:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
30:00 Speaker 02 She wasn't, you know, that's not her character, but I definitely tried to be shaky and, um, uh, fragile, almost, you know, because this, you know, Adam Shippey, who played the skeleton is like six, you know, whatever.
30:17 Speaker 00 He's a big dude.
30:17 Speaker 01 We love Adam. Adam's awesome.
30:19 Speaker 02 He was so, so nice to me, so nice to work with.
30:22 Speaker 01 So for everybody listening, Adam was also in Fallout. He's inside the suit. He's the dude inside the suit.
30:28 Speaker 02 Um, he ended up, I don't think he even knew that he was gonna end up being like the main.
30:35 Speaker 00 The main killer?
30:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:36 Speaker 01 The Michael Myers wannabe?
30:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:39 Speaker 02 It was so funny because we would just be like, you know, hanging out in the outtakes and stuff and be like, what is going on? Like,
30:47 Speaker 00 I said that watching the movie.
30:50 Speaker 02 We don't know what's going on.
30:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:53 Speaker 02 You know, and We so we we first shot in December. It was like, all right, nice to meet everyone. See you. We'll maybe see you again.
31:03 Speaker 01 Right.
31:04 Speaker 02 It is June.
31:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
31:06 Speaker 02 The next time we go in to work on this again.
31:10 Speaker 01 That's not entirely, that's not entirely uncommon for like indies that are just on shoestring budgets like, you know.
31:16 Speaker 02 And Matt texted me and was like, hey.
31:20 Speaker 01 We're back.
31:21 Speaker 02 Hey, you want to come back?
31:23 Speaker 01 That's funny.
31:24 Speaker 02 I was like, yeah, you know, he was so cool to work with.
31:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
31:28 Speaker 02 He is the most sarcastic person, you know, very similar to us.
31:32 Speaker 01 So what's what's he like? Is he also a no news is good news kind of coordinator?
31:35 Speaker 02 No, he is very like, all right, awesome, you know, moving on, or he'd be like, oh shit. Blunt. Yeah. And I like that. I was raised in a home like that.
31:47 Speaker 01 Right.
31:47 Speaker 02 Um, and but he also had a lot of trust in the people he hired.
31:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:52 Speaker 02 You know, for not knowing them and he made this little team and, you know, we worked together for like a fair amount of time, but like, he gave us direction, we'd work on it and he'd be like, all right, now it's on you.
32:06 Speaker 01 Yeah. But that was an awesome team. Like when, when, when I saw who was on this movie, regardless, I mean, just like sometimes you want to work on something, the movie could be total shit or it could be a fucking Oscar winner. But it's like who you work with, like Adam Shippey, Matt Flanagan, AC.
32:23 Speaker 02 She became a really good friend.
32:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, all really great people.
32:26 Speaker 02 Yeah. And it was weird how that worked out. So I went back up there to double Taryn Manning. Um, she gets taken by the throat and thrown against the wall.
32:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:38 Speaker 02 By Lee, the skeleton, and that was me.
32:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:42 Speaker 02 So I just thought that was it, you know, and then Matt was like, oh, wait, could you actually double Montana Gillis? The, um, girlfriend of Drew in the movie.
32:53 Speaker 02 And originally, I was gonna double Shawnee Smith, because against same height, similar build. But we didn't really look alike, and it wasn't really a match. Um, so AC doubled Shawnee, I doubled Montana. And I didn't know AC at the time. And Matt Flanagan was a really good friend of mine. We had been training in Connecticut for years with you guys.
33:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, we love Matt.
33:19 Speaker 02 We're both from Long Island. And I've been telling him, yes. I've been telling him how much fun.
33:25 Speaker 01 And by the way, just to tell AC she needs to get her ass and work out with us next time.
33:28 Speaker 02 She, she's, she would love to. She's, she's. We actually shot a practice fight, uh, one time and I ended up fracturing my knee and she got hurt. I don't. Maybe she got a minor concussion. I don't remember. It wasn't because we were fighting.
33:41 Speaker 01 Maybe she shouldn't come train with us.
33:44 Speaker 02 It wasn't because we were fighting. It was separate, um. It just, it was one of those days where we just, we did too much. You know what I mean?
33:51 Speaker 01 So anyway, you're all there. You switch who you're doubling.
33:54 Speaker 02 Yes.
33:54 Speaker 01 And you got this, this is for the big finale fight.
33:56 Speaker 02 Yes, that was, um.
33:57 Speaker 01 And we, and thanks again to Matt Philippin.
34:00 Speaker 02 Yes.
34:00 Speaker 01 Cause he put the pre-vis on YouTube, which we'll link in the show notes, but we'll also put some clips in the, the episode. The pre-vis is really fucking good.
34:09 Speaker 02 That was.
34:10 Speaker 00 Good pre-vis.
34:11 Speaker 02 Show up to set.
34:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:13 Speaker 02 Productions there on rehearsal.
34:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:17 Speaker 02 So that was a lot of pressure.
34:18 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
34:18 Speaker 02 Put together this fight. Some actors are there, you know.
34:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:23 Speaker 02 It was a lot going on and it had to be done. And it was a fifty-five, sixty beat fight.
34:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:29 Speaker 02 With an actor and then all of us.
34:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, one of the writer actors is in it. Yeah, yeah.
34:35 Speaker 02 Um, he was so nice.
34:37 Speaker 01 Um, James.
34:38 Speaker 02 Yes, James Gaudioso. Uh, his brother was in the movie as well and they.
34:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was, his brother played the detective that gets killed, right?
34:45 Speaker 02 They both wrote the movie too. And they were in production for it, like producing it also. So it was just like a lot, people were wearing a lot of hats.
34:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:53 Speaker 02 Um, and they, it was, it was a wonder. Like, so that was ambitious for what, with weapons.
35:01 Speaker 01 Yes.
35:02 Speaker 02 With, um, Adam Shippey in the mask.
35:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:05 Speaker 02 Matt Flanagan getting broken over the table.
35:07 Speaker 00 I was gonna say, yeah, with the table break, that's a lot.
35:09 Speaker 01 And through the window.
35:10 Speaker 02 And that was the end, yeah.
35:12 Speaker 00 How many people went through the window?
35:13 Speaker 01 Like, what, four?
35:14 Speaker 00 Four?
35:15 Speaker 02 No, seriously, so it was. Shippey, um, AC, Matt Flanagan, the actor, James and, and me.
35:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:27 Speaker 02 Five people. I think Matt Philbin ended up doubling the actor going through the window.
35:31 Speaker 01 Uh, yeah.
35:32 Speaker 02 Which was so funny, just like.
35:35 Speaker 01 Well, Matt's a kind of a big dude. He's muscular.
35:37 Speaker 02 Yes, he's, he's built. He, um, so he actually practiced the, um, glass, you know, going through the glass window before any of us did.
35:48 Speaker 01 Right.
35:48 Speaker 02 Just to test it out, make sure it was safe. It was way too thick originally. And he was like, this is not gonna work.
35:55 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
35:56 Speaker 02 No actors going through this, like, but we, again, we all just had to trust each other.
36:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:00 Speaker 02 And I was on Matt Flanagan to go over because, and I looked at them and I was like, should I close my eyes? And I know that seems like a dumb question, but I had never gone through glass.
36:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:13 Speaker 02 I had to run and grab everyone to go through the window.
36:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:18 Speaker 02 And I was like, how am I gonna close my eyes? You know what I mean? Cause I'm coming from in the hallway.
36:24 Speaker 01 Last minute.
36:25 Speaker 02 This door was,
36:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:27 Speaker 02 It was narrow for that many.
36:29 Speaker 00 Second, hit him, close him.
36:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. It was, and I'm in a dress, so I don't have a lot of like.
36:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
36:36 Speaker 02 Hatting going on.
36:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:38 Speaker 02 And it was funny.
36:39 Speaker 01 And the window wasn't squibbed, right? There was no explosives. It was just you got your force.
36:43 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, yes. Exactly.
36:45 Speaker 01 Cause sometimes on a big plate glass like that, they'll squib it sometimes.
36:49 Speaker 02 Okay.
36:50 Speaker 01 So it shatters when you hit it.
36:51 Speaker 02 Okay.
36:52 Speaker 01 You know, the effects guy will blow it.
36:54 Speaker 02 I could, we just, we broke it.
36:56 Speaker 01 I think probably on a low budget like that, probably is like you guys.
36:59 Speaker 00 You probably didn't bring it up.
37:00 Speaker 02 We had two glasses, like one for Matt Philbin to try and then us.
37:04 Speaker 01 So it was a one, like, that was it. You gotta get it on the first time.
37:07 Speaker 00 Wow.
37:08 Speaker 02 And, um, it was.
37:11 Speaker 02 You know, it it was, we did it.
37:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:14 Speaker 02 It was an experience.
37:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, totally.
37:16 Speaker 02 It was, it was really fun. I mean, that, that rehearsal was like a training for us. Like, that it was one of those rehearsals that was like.
37:24 Speaker 01 How was, how was, um, James, the actor with the glass? Cause he's not a stunt guy, so that's like.
37:30 Speaker 02 I don't think he ended up going through the glass.
37:32 Speaker 01 Oh, you said, uh, Matt doubled him, probably.
37:33 Speaker 02 Yeah. To be honest with you, it was four in the morning. We'd been shooting all day, getting a little delusional. So I don't even, I remember, I was like, let me focus on myself.
37:42 Speaker 01 Right.
37:43 Speaker 02 Let me not like, wonder what's going on with this. I can only do what I can control. Um, we had been shooting since like,
37:52 Speaker 02 the morning afternoon and it was, no one expected it to go like, as late as it did, kind of thing. And it was our last day and it was like, we'd been there for a while. We stayed up there for, for a while. I love Connecticut.
38:05 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
38:05 Speaker 02 Super scenic. Um,
38:07 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
38:08 Speaker 02 I know, I know. I love Connecticut.
38:10 Speaker 01 Well, parts of it are.
38:11 Speaker 02 It's pretty drive-through.
38:12 Speaker 00 Like, it's nice to look at, but like,
38:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
38:14 Speaker 00 Do you ever drive through Connecticut? It's fucking terrible.
38:16 Speaker 02 I know.
38:16 Speaker 01 Well, that's all the industrial part.
38:18 Speaker 00 Traffic for no reason everywhere.
38:19 Speaker 02 Cause it's one road.
38:20 Speaker 01 That's like driving to Jersey. I'm like, what is this? What is this state? Like, nothing but, but there's beautiful parts of Jersey, but
38:25 Speaker 02 You can't make any turns.
38:26 Speaker 01 When you're driving into it from New York, all you see is like, factories.
38:30 Speaker 02 Yeah. But, yeah, it was, uh,
38:34 Speaker 01 Not shitting on Jersey, all you Jersey listeners out there.
38:38 Speaker 00 I don't know what's wrong with people who drive in Connecticut. I have a problem with it. Sorry, I'm gonna shit on it. Like, they're just, all of a sudden, you just, New York to Connecticut, boom, traffic for no fucking reason.
38:48 Speaker 02 Like the AMP guys, Scott Hoffman and Bobby McFarlane, um, Matt Flanagan and I had been driving up there like once a week, twice a week,
38:58 Speaker 01 Right.
38:58 Speaker 02 To train. And it was just so weird that now we're working up here.
39:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:02 Speaker 02 You know, like, we were working on a job together and it was just a weird, like, full circle
39:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:08 Speaker 02 moment. Um, I always remember that, too. Like, Matt and I had driven up together when my car basically exploded. Um, the transmission, this is a disaster, but, so the movie was shot on Asylum Avenue. Just like that wasn't part of the script like it was like the house was literally on asylum.
39:28 Speaker 00 That's kinda cool.
39:29 Speaker 02 So any.
39:29 Speaker 01 Did they, did they actually put this sign? I didn't.
39:31 Speaker 00 Oh Mike, was that street sign in the movie?
39:33 Speaker 01 Why was that not in the movie?
39:35 Speaker 00 Come on now.
39:36 Speaker 02 And Matt and I were like, oh no, like.
39:38 Speaker 01 That's awesome.
39:39 Speaker 02 Is this a sign? So anytime.
39:41 Speaker 01 Yes, it's a sign.
39:41 Speaker 02 Something funny in our life happens, we're like, this is asylum avenue. Oh, literally. Just, just weird, like.
39:51 Speaker 02 I don't know. It's always something like that.
39:53 Speaker 01 So how long after the previs did you guys shoot the actual fight? Or was it like the same, like right after?
39:58 Speaker 02 That was a Sunday and we shot on Wednesday.
40:02 Speaker 01 Cool.
40:02 Speaker 02 I wanna say.
40:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:03 Speaker 02 And it was like, there was no rehearsal in between that. So it was kinda like, I don't know. Hope everyone remembers.
40:08 Speaker 01 Was it written?
40:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:10 Speaker 01 The way it plays out? Or what was different between this?
40:14 Speaker 02 Matt Philliben was like, this isn't gonna, he was like, I'm doing what I need to with this because there's a lot of moving parts, literally. There's a chair thrown across the room.
40:27 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, there's like, uh, like fireplace implements and fire irons and like all this kinda stuff.
40:32 Speaker 02 Even when we were doing like a props rehearsal.
40:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:36 Speaker 02 Like walk, walk through. Matt was, Phillipin was like, I have to secure the room, like production and, you know, crew and like you need to get out, like, you know.
40:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:46 Speaker 02 Love you, but like. There's no room.
40:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:50 Speaker 02 Like, if we, you know, mess up one object in here, like it's a problem.
40:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:56 Speaker 02 We don't have it for, it was similar with the glass, like we have one or two things here and if.
41:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:02 Speaker 02 You know, we had glass, um, shatter on someone's head, like there were multiple things going on. And we were, um, AC and I were nervous that the fight was maybe gonna be lit too dimly to like see what was going on.
41:15 Speaker 00 All the elements.
41:16 Speaker 02 Because that happens a lot, you know? Like you'll do something sick and you'll see it back and you'll be like, I don't even like, I can't even see anything.
41:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:24 Speaker 02 But it, it, as we were talking about previously, like the fights came out really cool.
41:30 Speaker 00 Well, you had a great team with them.
41:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. Matt Philliben was really.
41:35 Speaker 02 He worked with a lot of big.
41:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, sure. He's been, he's been around.
41:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, so and you know, he's just one of those people that was like, alright, that sucked again. Change it, you know, so and that was my first time working with a weapon too, like with another actor and just like the reactions to and you know, timing with other performers. It was, there was a lot going on. And if you mess up, it's on you, you know?
42:02 Speaker 00 Well, just in a movie of like, like in a B horror movie like this, normally what you watch is what you end up getting in the fights. That is not the case in this.
42:15 Speaker 02 Hmm.
42:15 Speaker 00 Your fights and the team was, I mean, and again, we, we know them also. We know it was a great team, but for me, I think that tho- all those scenes kicked the movie up just, just a little bit because you guys were so on point with that. And I felt that when you have a room of all of those people that are really, really all about it and it kind of, it showed and it showed in all of those scenes.
42:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:40 Speaker 00 Um, so, uh, you know, it's awesome that you got to work with such a great, a great crew of guys.
42:46 Speaker 02 We wanted to make Matt proud. Like we had, he put a lot of sweat and work and I'm not gonna say tears, but like, you know, it was a lot of work to do all of that.
42:59 Speaker 01 He might have been home crying.
43:00 Speaker 02 Well.
43:01 Speaker 01 How did I get involved in this?
43:06 Speaker 02 There were a lot of funny moments like that, you know, just like it, it was, um, it was ambitious. What was, what was being asked was ambitious and I really think we made the most of it. Um, with the time we had too, you know?
43:18 Speaker 01 Cool.
43:18 Speaker 02 And in terms of time, the strike was in like two or three days after this.
43:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:22 Speaker 02 So after we got the final.
43:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, there is that pressure. The movie that I worked on was, we wrapped like two days before the strike and everybody was like stressed out.
43:30 Speaker 02 We were even, performers were getting like anxious about like, are we gonna have to like, you know, leave the set?
43:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:38 Speaker 02 If it got to that point, you know, and that was the last time you were getting a check for a while.
43:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:43 Speaker 02 So there was that going on and also it was whispers. It was like, oh, like, you know, I hear the laws.
43:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, the time leading up to the strike, nobody really knew, but I remember like, cause we, our movie wrapped two days before the strike and then we were like basically. Felt kind of good because we got the interim contract so we could work because the writers were already on strike. And then we're like, are we going to finish this before SAG strikes? But we did. It was, it was crazy.
44:13 Speaker 02 With one of the, um, not exactly the interim contract, but there was, there was a way you could go like with the strike. I actually worked two jobs, obviously not that were up like that you shouldn't have been doing.
44:32 Speaker 01 Right, right. Yeah.
44:33 Speaker 02 Um, it was interesting how there was language and like you could do live.
44:37 Speaker 01 Well, it was also if it was not, it was only, we were only striking the TV theatrical. So if you were doing like the, the, the live shows, Saturday Night Live, like all that network.
44:47 Speaker 00 Or if it was already written, so you could shoot it, but you couldn't change anything.
44:51 Speaker 01 Couldn't change the scripts.
44:52 Speaker 00 It had to be exactly so.
44:53 Speaker 02 What's interesting is like, I'm someone who didn't, who's not super knowledgeable about that stuff or didn't come from a film, TV, you know, whatever have you background.
45:03 Speaker 01 Right.
45:04 Speaker 02 Um, so I would always text, text you and be like, what does this mean or what's happening? You know, I have this, you know, piece of paper in front of me, like what's going on? And I think that, um, you know, it was just such a weird time.
45:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was, it was.
45:23 Speaker 02 Even sagging in of itself now, like it's a lot to navigate.
45:26 Speaker 00 Got an email about the video game strike and I, and in my head, I'm like, it's not over?
45:34 Speaker 01 But did it even happen?
45:35 Speaker 00 I mean, that's what, that's what I mean. I'm like, what?
45:37 Speaker 01 I don't know. It, to me, we don't have to go down this rabbit hole, but I just feel like the video game strike is like a fake strike. I feel like it's a, we're going to, we're going to.
45:46 Speaker 00 I thought it was over.
45:48 Speaker 01 Have, we're going to strike, but not really strike.
45:50 Speaker 00 Right.
45:50 Speaker 01 Because there's so many people that got permission to work on the biggest shows.
45:53 Speaker 00 So many video games that like, because they started, there are games that have been in development for so long that they started before this contract. Was in, in, is now, that has now been an interim for years.
46:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
46:05 Speaker 00 I'll just say for years now. So there were video games that were in contract before that, that are basically grandfathered in to not have to be part of the strike because they were before.
46:17 Speaker 02 Right.
46:17 Speaker 01 Like, what's the point of a fucking strike if you're not going to withdraw the work?
46:20 Speaker 02 Right. Yeah.
46:22 Speaker 01 But anyway, enough about Right. SAG politics. So you said you weren't raised in the film world and stuff. So like, what? What? Let's dial it back. Like, what was the motivation for you to go in that direction?
46:36 Speaker 02 Um, wow.
46:39 Speaker 01 And this actually ties in because like in the intro, we had a mailbag question semi, semi-related about, like, the question was, my son is going to school for acting and what martial arts should he take? That would be best for his.
46:54 Speaker 02 That's interesting.
46:54 Speaker 01 So but like, so you, similar situation, right? You're, you're coming from dance and now you're going into stunts. Like, so how did that whole transition happen? Like, what, what was the light bulb that went off in your head said, "Stunts"?
47:05 Speaker 02 So, I, I was fortunate enough to go to a gym on Long Island called Five Star Sports Academy. If you were a dancer, tricker, breakdancer, et cetera, flipper, parkour. Again, you knew what gym that was.
47:21 Speaker 01 Any kind of acrobatic stuff?
47:22 Speaker 02 Yes.
47:23 Speaker 01 You were there.
47:24 Speaker 02 It was like the hotspot. All the first tricking gatherings were held there. I know a lot of people from, you know, that I met who were in stunts that were like, "Oh, my God." Like, we knew each other from back then.
47:35 Speaker 01 Right.
47:35 Speaker 02 Nothing to do with stunts, you know? Um, so that was in East Rockaway, New York on Long Island. And my mom looked up parkour just on, I guess, Google or something. Went to that gym, spent basically every day of my life there.
47:51 Speaker 01 Right.
47:52 Speaker 02 And learned from some of the really successful now stunt performers, coordinators. Um, and I still have relationships with them to this day, like, because I was a child, I was 12, 13, even a little bit younger, and they were 10, 15 years older than me within that range.
48:11 Speaker 01 Right.
48:12 Speaker 02 So I watched them go from, you know, just like their cool little fight fake stuff, you know?
48:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:20 Speaker 02 Learning how to use bow and arrow, learning how to use a weapon. And I would just sit there and like, watch them do it. And I was like, "Oh, I'm gonna be a dancer." You know, that's cool, but that's not, you know, "I'm so good at dance." And that's all I would think about, like artistically. And then I watched how successful they became and it was very inspiring and I...
48:42 Speaker 02 Someone else had, I had, I booked a job doubling Kate McKinnon on SNL to spin on my head.
48:48 Speaker 01 Right.
48:49 Speaker 02 It didn't end up going that way. I did some other stuff like breakdancing wise, but someone was like, why don't you try to do this? And I was like, I don't know how to fight like.
48:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:58 Speaker 02 And you know, I grew up with people who like, you don't fake that stuff. Like you, you learn how to fight. You don't, you know, uh, hope for the best, you know, and you can tell.
49:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:08 Speaker 02 You know, talking to you guys, you know, when someone's bullshitting, you know?
49:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, for sure.
49:14 Speaker 02 Um, so I was just kinda like, all right, let me, let me try to actually train. Uh, put some footage together. I still need to get my reel better, but um, that's when I found you guys and I was like, I'm going to learn things. I now train um, at an MMA gym, Law MMA.
49:34 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Sure.
49:35 Speaker 02 On Long Island. Um, I have, I do private lessons, like I, in um, kickboxing, boxing in that.
49:43 Speaker 01 Yep.
49:43 Speaker 02 Muay Thai, kind of more area, but like three or four years ago, I wouldn't have even known what that meant. You know what I mean? I would've just been like, oh, yeah.
49:52 Speaker 01 Law MMA, Ray Longo's, that's Ray Longo's place, yeah.
49:54 Speaker 02 I did kickboxing and I know how to punch the bag, like, you know?
49:58 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
49:59 Speaker 02 There's a lot more to it than that, obviously, and just coming from, you know, you guys, a lot of people come from lifelong martial arts backgrounds, you know? And that's more of a natural progression sometimes.
50:12 Speaker 01 It's like the flip side. It's like, no pun intended, but you've seen me try to do your shit.
50:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:17 Speaker 01 It's like, like, like, like watching a walrus trying to do gymnastics or some shit, like, sorry. You know, I'm lucky I can do a back three quarter and land on my face. Like, that's about the best you're gonna get from me.
50:28 Speaker 02 It's so funny because we all want what we don't have. Like, I think about that stuff and it's just second nature to me.
50:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:33 Speaker 02 Then when I have to think about like closing my hands to punch or like, you know, really defending myself.
50:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:41 Speaker 02 That's not second nature to me, you know, so.
50:44 Speaker 01 You know, listening to you talk about going from dance to stunts reminds me, like, when I was training in Russia for Sambo, um, I got to train with some Olympic gymnasts. And this one guy, he was Olympic silver medalist and he was like, he said he was always jealous of the combat sports guys over there.
51:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:00 Speaker 01 Because he goes,
51:03 Speaker 01 For my, for my, for me, like, once I have my routine, that's what I'm doing for four years.
51:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:08 Speaker 01 That.
51:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:09 Speaker 01 I can't do anything else but that.
51:11 Speaker 02 That's very much how I.
51:12 Speaker 01 Yeah. And then he goes, but the combat sports guys get to do everything. They get to, they, they, they play, cause over in Russia, they're like, if you want to be a good combat sports person, you have to train lots of different sports because fighting is improvisational. So you're, you have to have your body doing different things. And he said he was always jealous of them. So hearing you talk about going from dance to stunts, did you feel like the world is open? I can do so much more shit?
51:36 Speaker 02 I also didn't realize that, like, and this sounds, you know, very, I'm an only child. Also, my parents are super supportive about dance and like, training and working hard. And that was my whole life. Like I trained seven days a week. There was no like, oh yeah, like I go to the studio one hour a week. Like that, that just wasn't my life.
51:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:58 Speaker 02 Um, so when I saw that, like, people do that in other areas, I was like, oh wow, like it's not just dance.
52:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
52:07 Speaker 02 There are other things people work hard to do, you know, and they're equally as difficult.
52:12 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
52:13 Speaker 02 If not more, you know? Um, but it was cool because I had a lot of live experience on camera, uh, commercial. You know, I, I had worked in a lot of fields. I had a lot of on set experience. Um.
52:28 Speaker 01 Well, you've performed in front of stadiums full of people.
52:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:31 Speaker 01 That's pressure.
52:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely. So just like, it was a natural progression, but also another thing. People always say in the stunt community, oh, you're a dancer. You must be so good at choreography. It is so different.
52:45 Speaker 01 Is it really?
52:46 Speaker 02 It's so different. Um.
52:48 Speaker 01 I mean, maybe the moves are different, but not the idea of memorizing.
52:51 Speaker 00 But we feel like you, you don't pick it up the same way. You're not like, when they show you something, you're like, oh, okay.
52:56 Speaker 02 It's, um. With dance for me, I feel like you can like personalize it a little bit, you know, whereas with fighting like has to be what it is, you know, like you can't just like punch like like that's not gonna that's not gonna work.
53:10 Speaker 01 You feel it's more specific.
53:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely. Um, but I was also more of a freestyler in dance, so that's a whole other rabbit hole.
53:18 Speaker 01 Well, you were like jazz as opposed to like classical music.
53:20 Speaker 02 Um, yeah.
53:21 Speaker 01 There's no improvisation in classical.
53:23 Speaker 02 Right, exactly.
53:23 Speaker 01 Jazz, you can kind of, you know.
53:25 Speaker 00 In dance, I feel like you can kind of get the compliment where it's like, oh, nobody does it like that. And it looks great. But in a fight, it's like, nobody punches like that, dude. And then that means you're punching completely wrong.
53:36 Speaker 02 It's universal. Like it's a universal thing. Like this looks the way it's supposed to look. And that's it. I like that about it, but it's very different. You know, it's not like not to say that boxers, kickboxers, you know, MMA people don't have their stylized
53:52 Speaker 01 Sure.
53:53 Speaker 02 ways of doing things, but for stunts specifically, you can't just like do whatever you want.
53:57 Speaker 01 Right.
53:58 Speaker 02 You know?
53:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
53:59 Speaker 02 So it's that was a big, um,
54:02 Speaker 01 Cool.
54:02 Speaker 02 Big difference.
54:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:04 Speaker 02 Yeah. But an awesome one.
54:06 Speaker 00 On the other side, what about, and I know we've talked about this before, when they were like, no, you need to be sloppier. Stop putting your, stop pointing your toe, stop with the everything being so perfect. You need to learn to relax. And so what was that transition like?
54:21 Speaker 02 Um, it's so funny because I was not a, I was classically trained, but like that's not the route I went down in dance. So, um, maybe it's the gymnast in me, I don't know, but hearing that was so funny because I was like, oh, my mom would be so happy to hear I was pointing my toes, you know?
54:39 Speaker 02 After all these years, like, just super funny, but, um,
54:44 Speaker 02 it doesn't leave you, you know, so hearing that, if you're like standing there like this, you know, ready to go and starting to, you know, be more human, um, it's just so different because it's not instinctual anymore. It's been conditioned into you to, you know, I'll sit like this in a chair or like, you know, um, You're not, it's just.
55:06 Speaker 01 Did you have the stereotypical like harsh dance teachers growing up?
55:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, definitely.
55:13 Speaker 01 That were like fucking?
55:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:14 Speaker 01 Like drill sergeants?
55:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, definitely. But also people who are super creative and successful in other avenues and um. I loved that about dance because it's so creative and I'm personally, I'm not creative. Like that is not somewhere I excel. I'm good at being told what to do and I'll work on it and I'll do it. Which I like about stunts.
55:35 Speaker 01 Right.
55:36 Speaker 02 But um. That was something I was thinking about earlier too was with stunts, you have to be ready to work with a lot of creative people at once. And not always give your two cents.
55:46 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
55:47 Speaker 02 You know, and just. Do what you need to do, especially if you're doubling someone.
55:52 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
55:53 Speaker 02 So. I I I like.
55:56 Speaker 01 And not just the other performers, right?
55:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:58 Speaker 01 The camera ops.
55:59 Speaker 02 Exactly.
56:00 Speaker 01 Sound guys, the A Ds, the the H M U people, it's like this big organism, everybody's.
56:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:05 Speaker 01 Contributing to it and one person fucks up. It's like dominoes, everything starts to crumble. It's like pulling the thread on a sweater.
56:11 Speaker 02 And they and you're the focal point of that moment, so. You have to have it together, you know, you have to. The coordinator has to know that like, alright, I I told you X, Y and Z, like go do it now. You know? So that's just, it's just very different from dance where you're told like. Okay, this is your combo, we might change it a few times. Let's go on set. We'll shoot for like maybe an hour and like good night. It's very different.
56:37 Speaker 00 What's the, what's the hardest thing for you to wash out? Like when you're on set, you know, that you're that's so ingrained like. For me, it's, you know, if I'm going to be in a fight, I have to make sure that if I'm the goon, that I fight like a goon. I can't fight tight like a special forces guy, I gotta make sure my blocks are like, oh shits. You know, and everything is is me not really. Being ready for it and kind of, you know. Uh, what's the, like, what was the the hardest thing?
57:02 Speaker 02 I feel like that's an ever evolving thing for me because I am still new, but I definitely. Struggle with that, like, it's not me. I'm playing a character. Like, it's not me doing this because a lot of times for dance, I was hired as me.
57:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:16 Speaker 02 You know what I mean, like? So that's definitely something I have to remember.
57:22 Speaker 01 That's interesting.
57:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:23 Speaker 01 I never considered that, yeah, as a dancer, you are you, you're being, you're performing as you.
57:28 Speaker 02 Yes.
57:29 Speaker 01 They're booking you because of what you can do.
57:31 Speaker 02 Mm hmm.
57:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:32 Speaker 02 It's
57:33 Speaker 01 I mean, they are booking you as a stunt performer for what you can do, but you have to
57:36 Speaker 02 Play somebody else. Yeah, it's not about you and not that I was, you know, making it about myself, but it's just different.
57:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, for sure.
57:45 Speaker 00 That was the, yeah, my, my, the first time I had understood that advice when someone was like you, basically they were like, you need to be the guy that you teach your students to defend themselves against. And I was like, oh shit, like it rang a bell and like how I need to act and how I need to be and like what they meant by like, you're not a professional. And I was like, wow, it's kind of crazy when things click like that.
58:07 Speaker 02 The exercise that you guys do with the, um, the choreo where you're like, okay, now you're drunk, you work at a bank.
58:16 Speaker 00 Oh, and we switch it all. Yeah.
58:17 Speaker 02 And it really like opens up that possibility, you know? And especially when you get on set and you have no idea what's going on.
58:26 Speaker 00 Is that the, oh, that's the one where we give you the choreo and then we have you work on it and then we like, okay, now you're this, you're this, you're this, you're this.
58:32 Speaker 02 Yep.
58:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, we give it different characters.
58:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
58:34 Speaker 01 Yeah. Same choreo, different characters.
58:36 Speaker 02 Exactly. You can't change it.
58:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
58:38 Speaker 02 But it's like, it's super helpful. It's very interesting, honestly, but, and I, and I keep quoting what we do because I train with you guys. So like, that's my go to thought process with stuff. And I think back to a lot of stuff, um.
58:52 Speaker 01 But now you're training with a lot of people. I mean, I, I feel fortunate that we got you in the beginning of your stunt life and just haven't seen you blossom the way you have. But now you're, you have like different groups to train with.
59:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, for sure.
59:04 Speaker 01 And that's the way it should be.
59:06 Speaker 02 Yes. I have my own gym too. Like I, uh, coached gymnastics as my little, my side thing. Um.
59:13 Speaker 00 Like she can flip and trick. She can hang out with all the cool kids. We can't.
59:17 Speaker 02 But I can't, I can't kill someone.
59:18 Speaker 01 We're, we're the two old guys in the corner watching people do that shit. Me like,
59:23 Speaker 00 No, we're like, dude, you made the comment before, like, we're like the old walrus, walrus is just clapping, oh, oh, oh, just clapping everybody on.
59:30 Speaker 02 It's funny, a walrus is like my favorite animal. So that reference is just really funny.
59:34 Speaker 01 Um, so what would you, you're, you're like five years basically SAG now.
59:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
59:39 Speaker 01 Right? So it's like, what, we get hit up all the time, like the mailbag question. What would your advice to new people be?
59:47 Speaker 01 This is for all the people listening to the show that the aspiring stunt performers, the people that constantly write to us and ask about, how do I get in the business? What do I do? Like, what's your advice?
59:56 Speaker 00 Especially people who are started in dance, who are doing something else, who maybe have that a little tingle, spider tingle of like, oh, maybe I should check this out.
1:00:06 Speaker 02 You can't be sensitive. You're not going to be good at everything. You know, like, I don't care what you're going into it for, people are better than you. And you have to be okay with that and accept criticism and be frustrated, but in a positive way. Like, that's part of the journey with this stuff, you know? Um, and that's, you have to be ready to work hard. And if that's not something you're comfortable with, then I don't think it's a good avenue for you. But, you know, on the flip side, um, you have to, you know, like, find your niche and work towards, you know, for stunts example, you have to, you know, hustle.
1:00:48 Speaker 02 You gotta meet people who work in the industry. You gotta get on set. You gotta fine tune your skills and be like, I'm good enough to do X, Y, and Z. Here's what I have to offer you, you know, here I am.
1:01:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:03 Speaker 02 And don't sell yourself short, but also understand that, like, a lot of these people have been around this business for forty years.
1:01:10 Speaker 01 Decades, yeah, yeah.
1:01:11 Speaker 02 They don't care that you watched, you know, the most recent Harley Quinn movie and you enjoy the, the action in it. But definitely, you have to just have your, your thing that you're good at.
1:01:24 Speaker 01 Mm hmm. Interesting. Good advice. Because a lot of people don't make it five years. Especially like with the, what's happened in the last five years, the obstacles, like, so, so you're doing something, right?
1:01:39 Speaker 02 I'm trying.
1:01:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. No, seriously. There's a lot of people who just hung up their gloves. I mean, COVID, a lot of people quit the business during COVID. For different reasons, maybe, um, you know, they... They realized like they can't be in a profession that is that dependent on, you know, everything working perfectly. Same with the strike.
1:02:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:00 Speaker 01 And the strike was worse than COVID in a lot of ways.
1:02:03 Speaker 02 Especially because we all got back to like a normalcy and then it was like, nope.
1:02:08 Speaker 01 Well, and during COVID, we all had, we had social assistance. We had like loans and unemployment. The strike was like, yeah, the strike was like, ah, fuck you. You guys chose this.
1:02:19 Speaker 00 But the worst thing about all of it is that while we're going through all of that, all of these productions that are, that are sitting there losing money, they are figuring out ways to keep making money while this is happening. So they're, they're forcing, we're, we're forcing them to think of ways to make us obsolete.
1:02:37 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:02:37 Speaker 00 Which sucks even more because it's like in the long run, it, it, it's even worse because it's like, oh, we just gave them more time. As opposed to if we were working, then they really don't have time to think about it. But now they just.
1:02:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:49 Speaker 01 They figured out ways, I mean, in, in some ways the strike helped them figure out, like you're saying, figure out ways that they can continue on without us.
1:02:58 Speaker 00 Like the AI, the mapping, the background, all, all the mapping of the BG.
1:03:01 Speaker 01 Everything that, the bursting of the streaming bubble, like all this stuff has shrunk in the, the, uh, stunts, at least we'll just talk about stunts, has shrunk in the, the business. I don't think it's going to bounce back to where it was. It's going to stay, this is basically where it was before the streaming bubble. It's like back to quote unquote, normal. It's not a contraption like people are saying. It's just going back. Like we had this blip and now we're back to normal. And so it's even a harder time to try and get into the business as a performer. Cause there's going to be more demand, uh, I mean, less demand, more people. So you're going to have to be better.
1:03:39 Speaker 02 Right.
1:03:39 Speaker 01 At what you do.
1:03:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:03:41 Speaker 01 To get booked.
1:03:41 Speaker 02 The, another to piggyback on like advice that I just thought about. Get on set somehow. Like you don't have to be union.
1:03:50 Speaker 00 That's the first thing I did.
1:03:51 Speaker 02 Be a stunt performer. Like get on set. I don't care what you do.
1:03:55 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:03:56 Speaker 02 And you know, if you feel people are judgmental about things, you'll be private. Everybody doesn't have to know what you're doing all the time. Like.
1:04:03 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:04:04 Speaker 02 Um, cause you know, there's like the way stunts is it's just like people are like, oh, you know, like you just become a performer one day and that's just, that's just not the reality of it.
1:04:13 Speaker 00 Well, it's, it's like anything else, you know, when, you know, when people ask me like, how do you be a chef?
1:04:19 Speaker 02 Right.
1:04:19 Speaker 00 Go be a fucking dishwasher.
1:04:20 Speaker 02 Right.
1:04:21 Speaker 00 And go be the best dishwasher you can be.
1:04:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:23 Speaker 00 Like the best chef is the, well, if he, uh, put it this way, if the kitchen breaks down, the chef should go to the sink.
1:04:31 Speaker 02 Right.
1:04:32 Speaker 00 And he should be washing dishes and everybody else should stay doing their fucking job.
1:04:35 Speaker 02 Mm hmm.
1:04:36 Speaker 00 And you should be the best dishwasher there is.
1:04:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, for sure.
1:04:39 Speaker 00 So, you know, when people ask like, how do you start? Be a P A.
1:04:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:43 Speaker 00 Get a job, be a P A, get a parking, be a parking P A, anything you can do to get yourself on set, to talk to someone, to get you somewhere else.
1:04:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:52 Speaker 00 Because if they see the job that you do, they'll want you, that's how sets work. They'll, they see your work ethic and they want that work ethic.
1:05:01 Speaker 01 The work ethic and the, the, the, um, relationship building and all that stuff is.
1:05:09 Speaker 01 I don't, I don't, I don't know if I want to say more important than the, the skill level.
1:05:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:13 Speaker 01 But it, in a way it is.
1:05:15 Speaker 00 And when you get, when they don't know your name on set and you're a P A and you're first starting, they don't describe, they describe your work ethic. They're like, I need the guy who does this. I need the guy who does this, or you're the guy who doesn't fucking do anything.
1:05:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:05:30 Speaker 02 And that follows you, you know, usually the way you are in one aspect of life is usually how you are.
1:05:35 Speaker 01 And you know what follows you even more is when you fuck up, or you do a bad job.
1:05:39 Speaker 00 When we first.
1:05:40 Speaker 01 They'll remember that. That's the dude who.
1:05:42 Speaker 00 When we first, when we first started, I remember when we, Steve and I went to our first workshop, one of our first workshops, they said, you're only as good as your last job. And I looked at Steve and he and I were, and I looked at him and I go, that makes no sense. And he's like, what do you? And I go, you're only as bad as your last fuck up. I go, no one, everyone expects you to do your job. No one's gonna remember what they expect of you.
1:06:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:03 Speaker 00 It's just the way it is.
1:06:05 Speaker 01 You're only, you're only known for your last job if your last job was shit.
1:06:08 Speaker 00 Was shit. Yeah. I go, but if you fuck up, I go, they're gonna remember you fucking up forever. Even if you do great, they're still gonna remember that one fuck.
1:06:15 Speaker 01 You can have one fuck up and do five, 10 amazing performances after that, but people still remember the fuck up. Or an injury. That's why everybody in our business is so afraid to talk about injuries. Because you could be long healed from injury and people still like, oh yeah, Kristen, she fucked up her knee. Like, let's move on to the next person. You're like, I've been in rehab and that was like five years ago. My knee is fine now, you know?
1:06:35 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:06:35 Speaker 00 I remember I, I was jumping out of the truck getting ratchets and I blew my knee out on set. And I, the first thing I did was I looked around to make sure nobody saw me.
1:06:45 Speaker 02 Right.
1:06:45 Speaker 00 And then I got up and I was like, I started walking it off and a P A saw me limping. She's like, why are you limping? And I was like, uh, uh, uh, nothing, nothing. I'm fine. Everything's fine. Everything's good. I'm good. I'm fine.
1:06:55 Speaker 01 And then that's the dangerous part, right? Cause then you have performers.
1:06:58 Speaker 02 I have been.
1:06:58 Speaker 01 Performing, uh, not at their best.
1:07:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:01 Speaker 01 Because they, they wanna hide, they wanna hide.
1:07:04 Speaker 00 Well, the day was done.
1:07:05 Speaker 01 No, I'm just saying in general, like performers hiding injuries and stuff is not entirely the safest thing. But it's because our business is for the most part entirely word of mouth.
1:07:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:16 Speaker 01 You know what I mean? Like we don't have agents, managers, blah, blah, blah. I mean, some people do if they're also like actors or whatever. But it's like generally because we're so word of mouth, the word of mouth is like, if the word of mouth is bad.
1:07:30 Speaker 02 Especially about your attitude.
1:07:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
1:07:33 Speaker 02 And if you like, if you can shut up, you know, like you have to sit on set for 12 to 15 hours sometimes. If you never stop talking, you know, like, and they have to constantly be like, shh. You know what I mean? Just, just.
1:07:47 Speaker 01 You, yeah, you could be.
1:07:48 Speaker 02 Different, you know, like.
1:07:49 Speaker 01 Fucking quiet as a church mouse, but when the coordinator turns around and goes, yo, where's Paul? I need help with this, moving this pad. And Paul's like, right here.
1:07:55 Speaker 02 Right.
1:07:56 Speaker 01 You're right there to do it.
1:07:57 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:07:58 Speaker 01 That's what they, they remember.
1:07:58 Speaker 02 Easy.
1:07:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:59 Speaker 02 You work hard, you're accessible, you're on time.
1:08:02 Speaker 00 It's my favorite compliment to get.
1:08:04 Speaker 01 It is.
1:08:06 Speaker 02 It's true, though.
1:08:06 Speaker 01 Did you get, when you were doubling ten, well, I guess it is a small production, but a really great compliment is like when people don't know that you're the double. Like if you're performing and they, they think you're the actor.
1:08:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, I get that. I actually got that on another movie a lot, uh, that I worked with Manny Severio on that never came out. But it's a different, you know, that happens too, but.
1:08:28 Speaker 01 Oh, it happens a lot, yeah.
1:08:29 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
1:08:30 Speaker 02 That has a lot of cool.
1:08:31 Speaker 01 Sometimes there are movies that you think will never come out and they do come out.
1:08:35 Speaker 02 I'm praying.
1:08:36 Speaker 00 A lot of times, a lot of the times.
1:08:38 Speaker 01 Like years later.
1:08:38 Speaker 00 You do it with an actor and then what happens is they shelf the movie, but then the actor comes out and gets nominated for something, so they pull all that shit off the shelf that was crap. Because now people will watch it and maybe it wasn't crap, but it was crap.
1:08:52 Speaker 02 I mean, there's also just like so much media nowadays that it's just an overconsumption of like what you can watch. I feel that way, like it's, it's, there are too many options at this point.
1:09:04 Speaker 00 I find myself watching old stuff more now than I just watching new stuff because
1:09:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09:10 Speaker 00 half the time it's so hard for me to get into. Um, I was so happy that, uh, The Jackal, so good.
1:09:18 Speaker 01 Oh, Day of the Jackal.
1:09:19 Speaker 00 Day of, I mean, wow, that is a great, that is a great series. You gotta check that out.
1:09:23 Speaker 02 I have not watched, well, you know, you, you already know and you have something I've never watched.
1:09:26 Speaker 00 Um, but I was.
1:09:27 Speaker 01 It's not like that stupid, uh, Bruce Willis, Richard Gere remake. That was total shit.
1:09:33 Speaker 00 Yeah, but it was, it was.
1:09:35 Speaker 01 But this one's really good.
1:09:35 Speaker 00 But it was like, that movie was huge because Bruce Willis like kissed a guy.
1:09:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, but.
1:09:39 Speaker 00 And that, and that, and it made the, it, it was the, the talk of the movie was that Bruce Willis, that was that Bruce Willis kissed a guy.
1:09:45 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:09:46 Speaker 00 And that was the only thing I remember about the promotion in that movie was that.
1:09:51 Speaker 01 Because the rest of the movie was shit.
1:09:53 Speaker 00 It was, it was pretty fucking bad.
1:09:55 Speaker 01 It was, it was really bad. Go back and watch the original nineteen seventy-one, nineteen seventy-one, seventy-three version. So good.
1:10:04 Speaker 00 If there's two Bruce Willis movies you need to watch back to back, it has to be The Jackal and then immediately watch Hudson Hawk.
1:10:13 Speaker 02 No pause.
1:10:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. One right to the next. Oh my god.
1:10:18 Speaker 00 And you will just been like, wow, Bruce Willis.
1:10:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:24 Speaker 00 Wow.
1:10:26 Speaker 01 So, so Kristen, what's in the future? What's going on? Tell us.
1:10:30 Speaker 02 Uh, I actually just bought my harness.
1:10:33 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:10:34 Speaker 00 Nice. That was, that was actually one of the questions I was gonna ask you. When you get your gymnastics training, transferring to getting pulled in the air on the harness.
1:10:44 Speaker 02 Uh, that's super comfortable for me.
1:10:46 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:10:47 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:10:47 Speaker 00 Cause I hate it.
1:10:48 Speaker 02 Sometimes I'm not ready for the bruises that come with that training. Um, it's not easy.
1:10:54 Speaker 01 No, but your air awareness is.
1:10:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm, I'm super comfortable in the air. Um, it's definitely, I like.
1:11:01 Speaker 01 What kind of harness did you get? The full stunt leg cuffs and the jerk vest or just like a Hong Kong?
1:11:06 Speaker 02 Jerk vest.
1:11:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:07 Speaker 00 Did you do the, the, what is it? The neoprene one or did you do like that, the really expensive one? Nylon one, sorry.
1:11:14 Speaker 01 Nylon or the, uh, the, um, I'm brain farting on the, uh, the like.
1:11:18 Speaker 02 I don't know, it was on.
1:11:19 Speaker 00 I'm like, did you do the desert colored one or the black one?
1:11:21 Speaker 02 Desert colored.
1:11:21 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:11:22 Speaker 02 Because I figured like Dublin.
1:11:24 Speaker 01 They have ultralight. It's like, I like, I want to say, I'm forgetting the name of it, but it's.
1:11:28 Speaker 02 I was talking to.
1:11:29 Speaker 00 What, what, do you mind if, I mean, it's on the website, but what are they, what did it cost with the sale?
1:11:34 Speaker 01 You got Climbing Sutra.
1:11:34 Speaker 02 It was under five.
1:11:36 Speaker 01 Cause they're having, they're having, yeah.
1:11:37 Speaker 02 Under five hundred, yeah.
1:11:37 Speaker 01 They're having a sale on the.
1:11:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:39 Speaker 00 Is the sale still on? I gotta get my phone. I'll be right back, man.
1:11:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, Climbing Sutra's having.
1:11:45 Speaker 02 Zach Branch texted me and he was like, it's time. It's time to buy them.
1:11:48 Speaker 00 Oh, sweet. Then I should, I should grab them.
1:11:50 Speaker 01 He was just on, we just, well, he's just on a show. He was just on.
1:11:53 Speaker 02 Blue Bloods.
1:11:54 Speaker 01 Blue Bloods, yeah. Yeah, last week.
1:11:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was like, oh my god. That was a big scene.
1:11:59 Speaker 01 Oh, and you know who else was on, uh, was on FBI was, do you remember Ian O'Boyle, my friend's son who worked with us on Rewind?
1:12:06 Speaker 02 Oh, really?
1:12:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was just on last week's episode of FBI getting like tortured and beaten and.
1:12:10 Speaker 00 Nice.
1:12:11 Speaker 02 Yay.
1:12:12 Speaker 01 And My Stairfall was on last night's Blue Bloods.
1:12:14 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:12:14 Speaker 01 The one that I talked about several episodes.
1:12:16 Speaker 02 Oh, you have to send me.
1:12:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:18 Speaker 02 I didn't, I haven't watched Blue Bloods in years.
1:12:20 Speaker 01 It's the first time I ever watched it.
1:12:22 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:12:22 Speaker 01 It was actually pretty good. I was like, oh, maybe I should.
1:12:24 Speaker 00 I watched like the first five or six seasons of Blue Bloods. I actually really liked it.
1:12:27 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:12:27 Speaker 00 And then, and then.
1:12:28 Speaker 02 I'm a one order person.
1:12:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, Tom Selleck's awesome, but it turned, I was just like, okay, I was like this, how much shit can happen to one fucking family?
1:12:35 Speaker 02 I still watch SVU, so.
1:12:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
1:12:37 Speaker 02 Like, I'm a loyalist with that.
1:12:38 Speaker 00 Well, I'm just more like, the story of the family is so ridiculous at this point. Like, I just can't watch the show.
1:12:44 Speaker 01 No, but you know what? The stunts are great. Roy does a, Roy Farfel does an amazing job.
1:12:49 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:12:50 Speaker 01 And, uh, well, the show's over. Did an amazing job, but it was like, what, 14 seasons?
1:12:55 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
1:12:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's awesome.
1:12:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:57 Speaker 02 Well, in my future, I'd hope to be working, you know, as, as well.
1:13:04 Speaker 01 I hope to be alive when this podcast airs in March.
1:13:09 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:13:10 Speaker 00 Any goals? Any, anything you, you would like to like, make sure that you knock out? You know, now that we're coming in this next year, you're like, I wanna, I wanna work on this. I wanna do.
1:13:19 Speaker 02 Immediately? I just want to be like, no.
1:13:21 Speaker 01 No, she wants to use her fucking harness.
1:13:23 Speaker 00 Right? I wanna use my, there you go. That's a great.
1:13:24 Speaker 02 I wanna, um, I want to.
1:13:27 Speaker 01 All you coordinators that listen to this show, all two of you.
1:13:31 Speaker 00 All two of you.
1:13:33 Speaker 01 Krista got a new harness and wants to use it.
1:13:35 Speaker 00 Like James and Larry.
1:13:38 Speaker 02 Um, I wanna just.
1:13:43 Speaker 02 You know, I don't do that. I don't do the like, oh, I wanna do like X, Y, and Z, blah, blah, because I think that's, um, then you get disappointed when it doesn't happen, if that makes sense.
1:13:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, sure.
1:13:53 Speaker 02 Um, but I just wanna, you know, like, be safe, work, yeah, have nothing happen in the years come, like, these random catastr- catastrophic events. Um, but just work hard.
1:14:06 Speaker 01 Can we stop living in unprecedented times, please?
1:14:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:14:09 Speaker 01 Right?
1:14:09 Speaker 02 Be nice. Work hard and, uh, earn, earn the work.
1:14:13 Speaker 01 Yes. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on, man.
1:14:16 Speaker 02 Thank you.
1:14:16 Speaker 00 Good seeing you.
1:14:17 Speaker 02 I was.
1:14:18 Speaker 01 First podcast?
1:14:19 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:14:19 Speaker 01 There we go.
1:14:20 Speaker 00 Ah.
1:14:20 Speaker 02 Yay.
1:14:22 Speaker 03 You'll come back next time you have another big job.
1:14:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:25 Speaker 00 Right? You'll be telling us what we're doing running the podcast.
1:14:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's never happened.
1:14:29 Speaker 03 All right. Thank you for everybody, to everybody for listening to Film Fights with Friends. And we will see you.
1:14:37 Speaker 00 Next time.
1:14:37 Speaker 03 Next one. We only have two more. We only have two more episodes.
1:14:41 Speaker 00 Two more episodes left in the season.
1:14:42 Speaker 03 Done. Season one is done.
1:14:44 Speaker 00 Done. Twenty-six flipping episodes.
1:14:48 Speaker 03 Then we'll, then we'll decide if we want to do this shit again.
1:14:50 Speaker 02 Holy crap.
1:14:53 Speaker 03 All right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next time.
1:14:58 Speaker 03 Fights with Friends is brought to you by Breakfall Studios and Press Record Studios. Executive producers, Stephen Kepfer, Paul Varaci, and Tiago Benedetti. Produced by Matthew Kaplowitz. Associate producers, Becca GT and Jared DeCrosse. Our video editor is Matthew Kaplowitz. Original music by Aru Luster.
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