Pod Insights The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway No Mercy / No Malice: Elephants in the Room About this episode As read by George Hahn.
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1:19 Scott Galloway? I'm Scott Galloway, and this is No Mercy, No Malice. This is proving to be the year of unprecedented losses for big tech. Most tech companies are seeing dramatic declines in ad sales and significant slowdowns in growth, except for two. "Elephants in the Room," as read by George Hahn.
1:43 George Hahn? In 2017, I wrote a book about Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google called The Four. After working my ass off for 25 years, I became an overnight success. Speaking gigs, appearances on cable news and talk shows, book and podcast deals. I spent a bunch of time with elected officials, and powerful people wanted to have lunch with me. People were fascinated, shocked even, by this simple observation: Big tech is powerful. Maybe too powerful.
2:16 George Hahn? Much of the concern was a function of the ad-driven nature of platforms. Algorithms that tapped into good or bad aspects of human nature to addict us. Most people knew how Facebook and Google made money, but not how they actually worked, how the ad revenue was fueled by the collection of data and the harvesting of attention. In fact, the phrase "big tech" was barely known back then. Check the Wikipedia entry for "big tech" and see which NYU professor is credited with defining the category. I just read the last sentence and realize I still crave other people's affirmation. #pathetic. Anyway, things are different today.
2:58 George Hahn? We know we're being tracked and we understand how digital platforms make money. We also know they're lucrative, as in among the fastest-growing, most profitable businesses in history. Since 2002, Google has grown its revenue 625-fold. Digital ads transformed the company from a garage project into a multinational corporation and turned Meta from a college campus website into the largest media business in the world. If you had to bet everything, it wouldn't be a bad idea to go with whoever controls your attention. Meta or Google? Safe bets. Snap? Riskier, but the muppets love it.
3:42 George Hahn? It's fun to flirt with other sectors and firms, but these companies are the smart, safe bets. Until now. This is proving to be a historically bad year for tech. Few saw it coming. If you bought Facebook stock in 2015, you've lost money. If you purchased shares of General Motors, IBM, or Chevron, you've made more money than Meta shareholders. Seven years of gains erased in 10 months. Meta's meltdown is shocking, but not singular. Google is down 40% this year. Amazon, 45%. And Snap, 80%.
4:25 George Hahn? These losses are unprecedented in the big tech era.
4:30 George Hahn? As with bankruptcy, the sell-off happened gradually, then suddenly. Last week was a turning point. Amazon, Google, Meta, and Snap all missed big on earnings. The common theme? Ads, or lack thereof. We knew the Mad Men era had come to an end. We weren't expecting the end of Ad Men. But let's be honest. Advertising sucks. Cable ads provide a glimpse into what it's like to have restless leg syndrome. And digital ads, while more relevant, are carbon. The noxious byproduct of converting attention into shareholder value via algorithms that bring out the worst in the species.
5:15 George Hahn? I'll say it again. Advertising sucks. In a surprising turn of events, ads have become Big Tech's Achilles' heel. Google's ad revenue grew just 3% this quarter, down from 43% growth a year ago. For the first time, YouTube ad revenue declined. Snap registered its slowest ad revenue growth ever. Meta's ad sales, which make up more than 98% of the business, were a train wreck. Meanwhile, and yes, this brings me joy, the company continues to incinerate $2 billion a month, feeding Mark's fever dream that he is a god of new worlds.
5:57 George Hahn? By the way, it appears people are more likely to worship Tom. Myspace has more traffic than Meta's Horizon Worlds. What is or are the meteors that have struck the Genghis and Khan of ads? Meta says the problem is "the uncertain and volatile macroeconomic landscape." Google blames "the challenging macroclimate." Snap? Macro headwinds. Macro, as in rising inflation, interest rates, and supply chain issues, all conspiring to depress advertising demand. And it makes sense, because if people stop spending money on stuff, then the businesses
6:42 George Hahn? that make that stuff have less money to spend on advertising. But here's where it gets scary for these company shareholders. The macro culprit is a ghost, as people haven't stopped spending.
6:58 George Hahn? US consumer spending beat expectations in September, rising 0.6% for the second month in a row. Meanwhile, the US economy is doing, well, fine. US GDP grew 2.6 last quarter. Of course, there's still a lot of uncertainty. Growth has slowed, and we're by no means in the clear. But the weakness we're seeing in the macroeconomy is a drizzle compared to the category 5 shitstorm we're seeing in digital advertising. The state of the economy is a distraction here. Something else is killing ads, and tech companies are reluctant to acknowledge it because unlike the economy, it's not cyclical, but structural. Hint?
7:46 George Hahn? The elephants in the room are Apple and TikTok. Apple is the larger of the two, figuratively and literally. Last week, the Cupertino giant cemented its position as the most enduring tech company in history. Facing the same macro headwinds as Google and Meta, Apple beat earnings expectations on both the top and bottom lines. At $2.4 trillion in market cap, the company is roughly 10 times more valuable than Meta. Three years ago, it was twice as valuable. It's getting easier to understand why the zuck wants out of this universe. Apple may be the last thing
8:28 George Hahn? an ad-driven platform sees before everything goes black. A year ago, Apple's iOS upgrade forced apps, including Facebook and Instagram, to ask users for permission to track their data. Meta relies on that data to serve personalized ads that garner greater clicks and sales. So if users opt out, the ads become less effective, and Meta dramatically less valuable. But few predicted the change would hurt Meta this much. Turns out when Apple's privacy prompt pops up, only 16% of users agree to being tracked. And if data is the new oil, ad platforms are losing 84% of their Brent crude.
9:12 George Hahn? Apple has gone Putin on Meta's Germany by cutting supply, though this decision was positioned more virtuously in the name of privacy versus war. Without data, the digital ad ecosystem doesn't work. I saw this play out in real time. Here at Prof G Media, we collect data, specifically whether or not you open our newsletter. It's not powerful data, but it's data. It helps us understand what resonates. However, several months ago, our open rate fell off a cliff. Why? Apple's privacy change. Every iPhone reader started showing up as a no-open. Overnight, our data had become useless.
9:57 George Hahn? The newsletter isn't monetized, so the data black box isn't a game changer. But for most online businesses, it's dire. Small e-commerce companies across the country have seen consumer acquisition costs skyrocket by 10 times. Why? The ads are no longer shown to the right people at the right time. As a result, small businesses have had to shift spend. Since the iOS upgrade, almost half of e-commerce store owners have decreased their Facebook ad spending by 25% or more. This year, the average price of ads on Meta declined 20%. One year ago, before the privacy change,
10:41 George Hahn? prices had risen 20%. Tim's Revenge turned Meta overnight from a spry 20-something growth stock into a golden girl, mature and complaining.
10:56 George Hahn? In advertising, the pie stays the same. The industry has consistently accounted for roughly 1.3% of US GDP, which means a couple of things. One, there's always demand. And two, it's a zero-sum game. As with foreign exchange, every increase is met with a commensurate decrease somewhere else. So if the money isn't going to Facebook, where is it going? The phantom menace here is TikTok. Last quarter, the same quarter Google, Meta, and Snap got crushed, TikTok was the highest grossing app for the fourth consecutive quarter. Meanwhile, the rest of the app market declined.
11:41 George Hahn? It was also the most downloaded app in the App Store, and more than a quarter of Americans under 30 now get their news from it. TikTok's global ad revenue will triple this year to $12 billion, which would best the revenue of Snap and Twitter combined. That number doesn't include Douyin, TikTok's China-based counterpart. ByteDance, the parent company that houses these assets, was recently valued at $300 billion. That's roughly equal to Meta, Snap, and Twitter @Elon's Inflated Price combined. TikTok's growing influence is well documented. We've discussed it many times before.
12:25 George Hahn? Less discussed is the extent to which Xi and Cook have formed an unspoken alliance to repel the advance of Meta. The company is in full-blown retreat. After Facebook and Instagram ads became less effective, ad buyers overwhelmingly turned to TikTok. Standard practice, according to one ad firm, was to move 10% to 15% of ad spend from Facebook to TikTok. The data is opaque, part and parcel of ByteDance being China-owned, but the trend is clear. TikTok is becoming the premier ad platform. You'd think TikTok would be just as susceptible to Apple's privacy change as Facebook.
13:06 George Hahn? After all, TikTok's ads are fueled by an algorithm which is fed with your data. But research suggests TikTok is more insulated against Apple's privacy change than others. According to cybersecurity experts, TikTok can circumvent Apple's code audits and track activity without the user's knowledge. Exactly how this works is, again, not so clear, and that's the point. As one expert pointed out, "ByteDance has gone to monumental lengths to conceal the inner workings of the app." What could go wrong? I'm on a plane as I write this, taking my sons to see the Glasgow Rangers
13:49 George Hahn? play St. Johnstone in Perth, Scotland. We are football mad, and I want my sons to see my dad's favorite team in a 10,000-seat stadium. I'm trying to recreate a memory my dad used to tell me about when he and his father went to the same game. The Rangers were his team. He'd get emotional talking about that day, one of his few memories of doing something alone with his father. About 20 years ago, I stopped dwelling on my dad's shortcomings, put the bullshit aside, and just started to be the son I'd like to be, full stop. The catalyst for this was his sister telling me
14:31 George Hahn? he'd been physically abused by his father. He'd never mentioned this. The idea that the person you should trust most would beat you and the damage that must do to a young soul is unthinkable. When I told my dad about our trip, he didn't remember who the Rangers were. He's 92 and struggling. As his attention and memories are disappearing, I'm riddled with questions that will likely never be answered. What planes did he repair while serving in the Royal Navy? My mom, his second wife, told me his first wife tried to kill herself after he told her he was leaving her. Is this true?
15:17 George Hahn? A difficult subject I never had the confidence to broach. All of a sudden, a ton of questions. This weekend, I will take a bunch of videos of us rooting for the Rangers and send them to my father. I'll also send them to my sons with a voiceover. I will tell them what I know of their grandfather's affinity for the Rangers. I'll also tell them that I have no interest in football, but love it because they love it. And it makes me feel closer to them. And that when they were born, for the first time, I knew I had purpose. That all this meant something.
16:00 George Hahn? Life is so rich.
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