The Bear Case for Crypto — with Molly White

Molly White, a software engineer, and a leading cryptocurrency critic, joins Scott to discuss why she’s been an overall skeptic when it comes to Web3. Follow Molly on Twitter, @@molly0xFFF. Scott opens with his thoughts on what’s to come with the Elon Musk and Twitter legal battle. Algebra of Happiness: mind the gap. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Scott Galloway?

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• 1:18Scott Galloway?

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• 1:32Scott Galloway?

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• 1:43Scott Galloway?

  Welcome to the 177th episode of The Prov G-Pod. In today's episode, we speak with Molly White, a software engineer and leading cryptocurrency critic. We discussed with Molly the bear case for crypto and the pitfalls of Web 3. Okay, before we bust into what's happening, we have some Prof G Media news to share. What a thrill. Alert the media, we here at Prof G Media are innovating. We're launching a new episode of the Prof G Pod and moving some things around. Every Monday, beginning July 18th, we are coming to you with a 20-minute episode focused on the capital markets. You'll get our team's perspective and insights on the top stories and markets and predictions for the week ahead. We're trying to, one, I'm fascinated by the markets and also like to think that we can

• 2:26Scott Galloway?

  give you a no mercy, no malice view of what is actually going on, or at least speculate in the boardroom and behind the scenes, having spent a ton of time on boards, raising money, advising hedge funds, you know, kind of a big deal that's now hosting a podcast. What happened? Anyways, our office hours episodes are moving to Wednesdays. And as a reminder, you can ask questions by visiting officehours.profgmedia.com. Again, that's officehours.profgmedia.com. That is by far my favorite part of all of this is the office hours. I really enjoy hearing people and I'm also surprised and moved, sounds a little bit corny, but I am moved by how transparent and authentic people are in their questions.

• 3:09Scott Galloway?

  Our No Mercy, No Malice Audio Edition, where we do a voiceover on our Friday newsletter of the same name that now has a quarter of a million subscribers, started with 70, go figure. Anyways, our No Mercy, No Malice Audio Edition, read by the inimitable George Hahn, hits the feed every Saturday. I love George Hahn. It helps that he's an actor and has a dreamy voice, but George Hahn is my Twitter friend. I generally try and avoid anybody that wants to get together with me, A, because I don't enjoy people, but B, I just assume everyone on the internet is either weird or not who they say they are. But George Hahn is my Twitter friend. I started seeing all his hilarious videos during COVID and I actually DM'd him and said, "Love your stuff." We started a dialogue and now we're offline friends. So that's my one Twitter friend.

• 3:54Scott Galloway?

  By the way, this is not an invitation to reach out to me and ask to be friends. And what a thrill. You still get our conversations with Blue Flame thinkers every Thursday. Okay, what's going on? So megalomaniac Elon Musk has decided to back out of the deal to acquire Twitter. You may have heard. What a shocker. By the way, in bigger news, he also blocked the dog on the social platform, right? So I wanted to figure out what he'd said about bots. So I went to his account on Twitter and it says, "You have been blocked." And here's the thing, I was never following him. I don't really care that much about what he says or does. Who do I follow on Twitter? Stuff that makes I think it's funny, or economists, or interesting thought leaders.

• 4:38Scott Galloway?

  My Twitter feed, I think most people would find pretty boring. But anyways, he had proactively blocked me. And let's be honest, that's nothing but trying to get my attention. The sexual tension here is palpable. So I say, I kind of, you know, I kind of like it when he blocks me. What I say is, "Bitch, block me harder." Anyway, most reporting says that Twitter has the upper hand since the firm has a specific performance clause that requires Elon to close the deal as long as he has the debt financing in place, which he does. We'd like to think that Twitter will come out on top here, but we aren't dealing with someone who likes to play by the rules. And in addition, Twitter is still an operating business that has employees and shareholders to worry about, so a lengthy legal battle isn't what they want to endure.

• 5:22Scott Galloway?

  That's the narrative out there right now, and I think that is total bullshit and people are getting it wrong. As someone who has been a shareholder of Twitter a couple of times, I think every shareholder here is entitled to $54.20. Why? Because the company has endured a tremendous amount of damage and distraction, whether it's advertisers losing faith in the platform, whether it's management and the board being wildly distracted, whether it's a decrease in morale among employees, many of whom have likely left. This company has been significantly damaged by Elon Musk. Now, why did they incur that bullshit, that brain damage, that sort of abuse? Because he signed an agreement saying that on closing,

• 6:04Scott Galloway?

  he would show up and give every shareholder $54.20 per share. Twitter has lived up to their end of the agreement. They have done everything he has asked. And, and now, he owes every shareholder fifty-four dollars and twenty cents. So what do I think is gonna happen here? I think the board understands this, and I think the media has it wrong. They keep saying, "Well, Twitter doesn't want to endure discovery." Twitter doesn't want to endure discovery? This is an individual that last year decided to have a baby with his girlfriend. Good for him. But at the same time, had a subordinate carrying twins that no one knew about. And they didn't disclose till six months after he'd given birth to the other kid.

• 6:46Scott Galloway?

  By the way, do we realize that approximately the same time, the company had paid hush money to someone accusing him of sexual misconduct? Let's pick another really popular person. What if Tom Brady, in the same month, quarter, year, had said, "Oh, I'm having a baby through surrogate with my partner. Oh, by the way, by the way, someone on in the franchise who I have power over, who reports into me, is also carrying children and twins. And, oh, the Patriots had to pay off somebody for hush money." I don't think he'd be on the Patriots. As a matter of fact, I think he would have been kicked out of the league. Our idolatry of innovators here has to stop. And where does it stop? In my opinion, in the chancery court. What is the chancery court? It's a court set up to deal with corporate disputes. It does not have juries.

• 7:31Scott Galloway?

  They have a lot of discretion here. It's usually over economic settlements, require a decent amount of nuance here. And this is simple. For an economy to work, you have to have agreements that people, when they sign and review these agreements, live up to. What happens when nobody feels a need because they're rich, or because their superpower is shamelessness? They no longer have to live up to agreements. What happens when you agree to show up for work because you have a signed contract, and the employer says, "You know what? Fuck you. We decided we don't really need you. Sorry you quit your job." What happens when you agree to buy a house, and you show up and you sell your own house, and the seller says, "You know what? The market's gone up. I'm not gonna sell you my house. You're shit out of luck." What happens when you sign adoption papers?

• 8:12Scott Galloway?

  If we don't have a rule of law here, or we have rule of law for everyone else, except for billionaires, and specifically billionaire tech innovators, the economy doesn't work.

• 8:24Scott Galloway?

  Emerging from Silicon Valley over the last decade has been a culture that has been very damaging to capitalism. One, the way you make a lot of money is to exploit your users, to radicalize them, to play on their depression, to play on their need for addiction. And two, that management can act like total fucking assholes and have no decorum and believe that the law does not apply to them. This needs to stop. He signed a contract, he's a big boy, he has the money. Twitter shareholders are entitled to $54.20 per share. Elon, pay the fuck up.

• 9:04Scott Galloway?

  We'll be right back for our conversation with Molly White.

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• 11:30Scott Galloway?

  Welcome back. Here's our conversation with Molly White, a software engineer and leading cryptocurrency critic.

• 11:38Scott Galloway?

  All right, let's fast right into it. Molly, walk us through the state of play in the crypto space right now as you see it. It seems that things are, it's a volatile market. What, how would you describe the state of play?

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Recently, we've definitely seen a decline in the price of most crypto assets pretty severely. I mean, you know, people are referring to it as a crash. People are saying the bubble has popped. To some extent, that seems to be true. Things are not going so well in the crypto world right now.

• 12:06Scott Galloway?

  Well, not to state the obvious, but that seems pretty obvious. Any thoughts on why this is happening?

• 12:12Speaker 03

  It seems to be a combination of a lot of things. I mean, the traditional financial markets are down. And I think despite what a lot of crypto proponents might have you believe, they are fairly closely, they track each other very closely. And so downturns in traditional finance seem to be affecting crypto. I think also there's just been a large number of sort of cascading failures in the crypto world where there have been, you know, crypto hedge funds and exchanges that have been taking far too much risk, that have been causing just, you know, issues throughout the ecosystem, failures of projects like Terra, things like that.

• 12:49Scott Galloway?

  Yeah, it does seem supposedly one of the benefits of crypto or tokens was they were supposed to be a hedge against other assets and it looks that as the market matures are increasingly correlated with other assets. When the market goes down, so does Bitcoin. Tell us more about hedge funds or funds that have invested in crypto. Do you expect to see a lot of these go out of business? I would imagine it's chaos that a lot of these funds who borrowed money against their holdings such that they can make more investments. It seems like the delevering here, I don't know, for a quarter of the way down, halfway down, 90% of the way down. Can you speak at all to the investors and what's going on in the crypto fund space?

• 13:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think chaos is probably a good word for it. I mean, there have been a lot of funds like that that have been heavily loaning money from other funds and then when one fund can't meet their obligations, things begin to really fall apart. And I really feel for the retail investors who were putting money into exchanges that had exposure to these things because they're starting to see the real fallout from that where multiple exchanges have either frozen withdrawals or even announced that they are considering bankruptcy as a result of these highly risky loans that I think a lot of customers didn't realize they were even exposed to.

• 14:12Scott Galloway?

  Where do you think we are in the process? Do you think it gets a lot worse? Do you think that Bitcoin and some of these assets have found the floor? The more and more, I heard that Three Arrow or whatever it's called, the headquarters in Singapore, they showed up and that the founders have fled. I mean, this is all starting to sound really, really sketchy. And what are, do you know the biggest kind of sole purpose crypto funds in the United States and how they're doing? I don't even know them by name.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know off the top of my head, but you know, it's hard to say where we are in the process. You know, I don't try to predict the price of Bitcoin or what will happen because this always end up being so much weirder than you could ever expect. But I think, you know, that that some of these processes will take time around people trying to see if they can recoup any funds from things like, you know, groups like Three Arrows Capital, who are, you know, at this point, who knows what's happening there. They can't find the founders at this stage. And so, you know, I think there's a lot more uncertainty ahead regardless of, you know, what happens to the price of Bitcoin.

• 15:16Scott Galloway?

  You've been a big critic of all things Web 3, whether it's crypto or NFTs or the blockchain itself. What's the source of the fire, if you will, kind of driving this skepticism?

• 15:25Speaker 03

  I became really concerned with crypto somewhere towards the end of last year when it was kind of on a bull run and I was seeing some of the hype beginning to become extreme. I mean, people were really pushing crypto to the average person, you know, advertisements from influencers and celebrities, people saying that, you know, anyone should be putting money into these cryptocurrencies, whether it's Bitcoin or some sort of altcoin. And there was very little skepticism being applied, which I think is always a bad thing, regardless of how good or bad the actual topic might be. And that was when I sort of started to

• 16:05Speaker 03

  become involved. And I started to see, in what, in my opinion, there was very little behind this whole thing besides the hype.

• 16:15Scott Galloway?

  Do you, are there certain aspects of Web 3, whether it's the tokens or NFTs or DAOs, that you're less or more skeptical of?

• 16:22Speaker 03

  I'm generally skeptical of the idea that blockchains are a good technology to power the future of the web or future of society, some people will say. They are good for a small number of use cases and not good for many, many more. And so when people begin to try to tack them on to general web use cases, because that's what in, you know, interest venture capitalists, for example, we start to see people doing really risky things, you know, storing content to the blockchain that really ought not to be stored in such a database,

• 17:01Speaker 03

  you know, exposing their users to highly risky financial investments. Those are the types of things that really worry me about this idea that the web as a whole is going to start moving towards, you know, this financialized blockchain model.

• 17:18Scott Galloway?

  And you keep a running total, the amount of money lost to Web three grifts and scams on your site. You call it the grift counter and it's currently more than 10 billion. Why is this such an incredibly ripe sector for fraud and scams?

• 17:33Speaker 03

  Well, there's been pretty poor enforcement of regulations in this space so far. So people have been able to get away with, you know, Ponzi schemes and outright financial fraud that is typically shut down fairly quickly in more traditional markets. There's also some element of anonymity that is just accepted in this space. So people will trust their funds to completely anonymous people. And then if those people run off with them, there's very little that they can do. There's also some aspects of cryptocurrencies that are just particularly well suited to, to financial fraud. You know, it's, it's very difficult, for example, to reverse a transaction. If you put money into a cryptocurrency and then send it somewhere that you didn't intend to,

• 18:18Speaker 03

  or that, you know, you were tricked into sending it, you can't call up your credit card company and ask them to reverse the transaction. And so, you know, it's been an absolute blessing for financial fraudsters and scammers because it enables them to take money from a lot of sort of unsuspecting people, people who have been sold this dream that if they take these huge risks, they might make big returns.

• 18:44Scott Galloway?

  And have you seen, my understanding is that someone did the analysis and said that all the money that everyone made from the meme movement, they've given all of it back. Do you have any sense for what the losses are like? And are there specific groups that have been hit harder than others? I know it over indexes on young people. But who's really taking the brunt of these losses here?

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Inevitably, it's the retail investors who are getting hit the hardest. You know, they might not be losing the largest sums of money because they didn't have that kind of money to invest in the first place. But, you know, if if your average person has put too much money, you know, an unsustainable amount of money into crypto and then crypto crashes, they're the ones who can't pay their rent or, you know, meet their student loan payments or, you know, pay for their everyday needs. So, you know, it's it's not the venture capitalists that I worry about or the multimillionaire, you know, hedge fund companies that I worry about. I really worry about the the people who are being sold this dream, you know, in in October or November of last year.

• 19:49Scott Galloway?

  And you signed a letter to Congress along with 25 other technologists and crypto critics, calling on them to treat the web three space with more skepticism and move towards regulation. What tangible steps would you like to see Congress take to regulate the space?

• 20:04Speaker 03

  I think they really need to clarify some of the governing bodies in the space so far. You know, there's been a lot of people have been falling back on the fact that there has been little clarity around whether or not cryptocurrencies are securities or commodities or some other asset class. And they've been sort of, I think, taking advantage of that lack of clarity to, you know, run unregistered security schemes. And I think, you know, taking steps to address that will be useful, taking steps to address money laundering and wire fraud, taking steps to handle the risks associated with stable coins. You know, I think there's kind of any number of things that could be done to apply strong regulation to this space.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  I am more skeptical of whether or not there is the political will to actually do so.

• 20:56Scott Galloway?

  We'll be right back.

• 21:00Scott Galloway?

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• 22:08Speaker 01

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• 22:37Scott Galloway?

  And do you see a lot of crypto bulls? We compare this to 2000, where there's a fallout, but then Yahoo, Amazon, eBay will emerge. Do you see any enduring technologies or companies here? If you had to bet on a technology, or a token, or a platform, is there anything that you think is going to make it out the other end?

• 23:00Speaker 03

  I mean, so I don't put any money into this stuff. You know, I, I personally don't feel that there is anything worth investing in. I think the, honestly, the most promising companies that have come out of this are companies like Chainalysis, who are being used to basically address the problems that the widespread adoption of cryptocurrency and blockchains have introduced. So, you know, Chainalysis, for example, allows or helps law enforcement to track, you know, money laundering that's happening with crypto. If someone steals a whole bunch of money and then they launder it, Chainalysis tries to help law enforcement online that. And so, you know, they've, they've created a market for themselves largely. So, you know, they, they're doing pretty well, I would guess.

• 23:45Scott Galloway?

  So whenever I try to have a balanced discussion around crypto, and that is highlight some of the things that sound, you know, that, okay, Solana is not going to replace the dollar, or I don't understand how different wallets can bid up the price on an NFT and that's not fraud. Whenever I attempt to have a reasonable discussion here, and there is no reasonable discussion. People either believe it's a scam, or that you are a terrible person if you dare question how everything's not going to be run off the blockchain globally. I can't imagine, or I'm speculating, you get a, I would think you would get a tremendous amount of grief, borderline, you know, online harassment. I'm curious if that's the case and B, how you deal with it.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  It is to some extent. I mean, people really do not like the people who push back against crypto because, you know, I think largely it threatens the bottom line. There's a tendency, I think, among journalists and others in media to sort of present the bulls and then the bears and, you know, say, all right, and now figure it out yourself, with very little sort of questioning around some of the claims that are being made, fact checking, you know, questioning around some of the, you know, whether or not it's responsible for some of the bulls to be making statements like they are. And so I really worry that the, the media landscape is actually contributing in large part to some of the harms that we're seeing.

• 25:12Scott Galloway?

  So I'll make the bull case for Bitcoin, or a sophomore bull case for Bitcoin. And I'm, I'm like you, I'm a no coiner. I'm an investor in a company called Ledger that makes a A cold storage hardware wallet because I think people don't want hot storage because of all the scams you referenced. They want to have it on their own, you know, under their control and not connected or susceptible to hacks. But other than that, I've never owned a coin. I do find the methodology of the protocol behind Bitcoin. I think there is a certain genius to it that because of the the strategy around having to throw multiple numbers at an equation or a problem that gets increasingly complex, that requires supercomputers,

• 25:54Scott Galloway?

  massive power consumption. And then every time a new coin is minted, it gets a little bit harder. And I think they've established what I'll call scarcity credibility, which is the key to any fiat currency that people believe at 21 million coins, they're going to stop minting. I think there's more scarcity credibility around Bitcoin right now than there is around certain fiat currencies. And as a result, it has become a legitimate store of value with a lot of big players, credible players who are treating it as such. Do you not see a role for Bitcoin post this? Do you think it's going to go the same way as all these other shitcoins?

• 26:29Speaker 03

  I think that the value of, you know, a deflationary currency or a limited, you know, scarce currency basically has been overstated by a lot of the crypto bulls, you know, there's sort of that gold standard ideology that's being returned to a lot of these, you know, concepts. But, you know, I don't think that actually really holds up to scrutiny, you know, things actually didn't go so great when the US was on the gold standard. There are major issues that come out of, you know, relying on these digitally scarce assets. And you still have to trust that, you know, Bitcoin will actually uphold its promises of only having that number of coins in the end, which, you know, I think is

• 27:10Speaker 03

  probably likely, but who's to say, you know, it doesn't seem like a reasonable store of value to me. And I think that it has not served as one so far, you know, people who have put money into Bitcoin are not enjoying a stable, you know, store of value at this stage.

• 27:30Scott Galloway?

  Molly White is a software engineer and cryptocurrency critic. In addition to her longer form, critical writing about the topic, she maintains the website web3isgoinggreat.com. By the way, I think that's very creative where she catalogs disasters.

• 27:43Scott Galloway?

  In cryptocurrency, decentralized finance, NFTs, and other blockchain-based projects. She joins us from... Molly, where are you?

• 27:50Speaker 03

  I'm in Maine right now.

• 27:51Scott Galloway?

  You're in Maine? Good for you. Is that a new thing, or are you from Maine?

• 27:55Speaker 03

  I'm originally from Maine, and I'm visiting family here.

• 27:58Scott Galloway?

  Good for you. Well, enjoy a Maine-like summer. We appreciate your time, Molly.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me.

• 28:13Scott Galloway?

  Algebra of happiness. We've spoken about the importance of not having a scorecard. I think that a signal of a weak relationship is when one or both parties keep score. And that is, oh, your parents were in town last week, and I spent time with them. My parents are coming, which means you have to spend time with them. Or I did this for you, or I took the kids to school, which means you have to pick them up. I think a healthier approach to a relationship is to decide what kind of friend, what kind of partner, what kind of spouse, what kind of father, what kind of brother you want to be, and just attempt to be that person and not keep score. Also, to decide if you want to be generous. The problem with successful people, or an externality of being successful,

• 28:57Scott Galloway?

  at least it has been for me, is that you start believing that everything like business is a transaction. And if you aren't getting a good deal in that transaction, it's a bad deal. Well, okay, keep in mind the following. It's natural instinct to inflate your contribution to the relationship and diminish theirs. And you're constantly or often going to feel like things are out of whack, and you're getting a worse part of the deal. I'm not suggesting that you subject yourself to abuse. I think at some point, if you're constantly in the minus column in a relationship, you may want to decide, A, let that person know that, and B, if it continues, exit the relationship. But there's something liberating around deciding that I'm just going to be a generous boyfriend. This is the kind of son I want to be to my father, and not keep score.

• 29:43Scott Galloway?

  And it also results in much healthier relationships. Now, oftentimes, you're going to find yourself in a situation where someone you work with, a friend, a spouse, is contributing more than you are. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It shouldn't last for a long time. But what, how do you close that gap? I have a lot of people in my life that could just contribute more to the relationship than I do. I have people I work with that are more thoughtful about the business and spend more time trying to make my content sing or try and make me successful than, than the reverse. And I have people in my personal life who for extended periods of time are just better to me than I am to them. And I'm not proud to say that, but that's the reality.

• 30:28Scott Galloway?

  It, it doesn't close the delta, but it really helps to acknowledge it. You know, I realize I've been focused on work. I realize I haven't been present with the kids. I realize you've had to pick up a lot of slack here. I acknowledge it. I, I understand it and I really do appreciate it. And I find that goes such a long way. I don't, I think most people in your life don't mind picking up the slack every once in a while, but they need to know that you know, and they need to know that you appreciate it. Close the gap, mind the gap. Don't keep score.

• 31:01Scott Galloway?

  Our producers are Caroline Chagrin and Drew Burrows. Claire Miller is our associate producer. If you like what you heard, please follow, download and subscribe. Thank you for listening to the Prop G Pod from the Vox Media Podcast Network. We will catch you next week.

• 31:21Scott Galloway?

  I can't see anyone's reaction. It's, I feel very lonely. I feel alone.

• 31:27Scott Galloway?

  That was kind of a dad joke. No, not very good. Okay, let me keep looking.

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