Pod Insights Pop Culture Happy Hour Moana and What’s Making Us Happy About this episode Moana is back in Disney’s new sort-of-live-action remake, but how far does it go from the original? Dwayne Johnson returns as Maui, appearing in the flesh this time around. Catherine Laga'aia plays Moana, who sets out to save her island, along with her chicken. The film features a new song from Lin-Manuel Miranda, who also wrote songs for the original animated film.
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0:21 Stephen Thompson? The animated Disney feature Moana was a blockbuster with an enduring soundtrack full of songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda. Now, less than 10 years later, Disney is already giving it a sort of live-action remake. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson returns to his role as the demigod Maui and appears in the flesh this time around. I'm Stephen Thompson. Joining me today on NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour is Ronald Young, Jr. He's the host of the film and television review podcast, Leaving the Theater. Hey, Ronald. Hello, Stephen. Good to have you. Also with us is Nikki Birch. She's a video producer for NPR Music and Visuals and also a co-host of the podcast, A Thousand Eyes and One. Welcome back, Nikki.
1:03 Speaker 02 Hey.
1:04 Stephen Thompson? It is great to have you both. So, the plot of Moana should be fresh in the minds of anyone who's seen it in the last decade, which is to say, everyone who has ever seen Moana. It's the story of a brave girl who ventures out beyond her home in the hopes of restoring balance to her island ecosystem. Here, Moana is played by Catherine Langaya.
1:40 Stephen Thompson? The story beats and plot points are repeated pretty much verbatim, albeit with a new Lin-Manuel Miranda song over the closing credits. Moana is in theaters now. Nikki Birch, I'm going to start with you. What'd you think?
1:52 Speaker 02 Moana is one of my favorite Disney movies over the last, I don't know, 15 years. And I was really, really excited to see it. Like you said, like, scene for scene, it's almost exactly the same. And, yeah, I didn't expect to get emotional because I haven't seen it since my grandmother passed, and there was a lot of, like- Like, oh.
2:11 Stephen Thompson? Oh, grandmother feels are big. This one and Coco both hit the grandmother feels.
2:15 Speaker 02 Yeah. So I'm really excited about this live action, also because I'm skeptical of live action adaptations. But I was not disappointed.
2:22 Stephen Thompson? This one worked for you?
2:23 Speaker 02 This one worked for me.
2:24 Stephen Thompson? All right. How about you, Ronald?
2:25 Speaker 03 You know, this movie really didn't do anything glaringly wrong.
2:31 Speaker 03 With one exception, and it's all going to be about Dwayne Johnson and his hair, which I'm sure we'll get into.
2:37 Speaker 02 Lace front failure.
2:39 Speaker 03 100% very Tyler Perry-esque. Wick situation going on in here. Yeah, I'm just, I'm going straight in. But no, I, I feel like, like Nikki said, the first maybe 30 minutes of the movie, I was enchanted away. I felt as good as I felt when I was watching the live action Lilo and Stitch, which I did not expect to like, but I really liked. And this one, the first 30 minutes, I'm locked in. This is very good. Up until the part where Moana goes out to sea. As a matter of fact, if they would have ended the movie right there, I would have been in a puddle of tears.
3:17 Speaker 03 And just be like, watch the rest animated, you'll be fine.
3:21 Stephen Thompson? Had they ended the film without resolving anything?
3:23 Speaker 02 Everything fades to black and crumbles.
3:25 Speaker 03 All I'm saying is I would have trusted she would have figured it out because by the time she is leaving the island, I'm so emotional and I'm crying in my seat. It was really, really good. And then after that, it wasn't really the same for me. It didn't hit the way the animated original hit for me. And I think a lot of it has to do with the ways in which the live action elements interact with the animated elements, which again, I'm sure we'll get into. But if you like Moana, and I think Nikki, you're the prime example of this, you will likely like this movie as well.
3:55 Speaker 02 Yeah. The music's great.
3:57 Stephen Thompson? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I mean, this has got to be Lin-Manuel Miranda's best film work. Like the original Moana songs are remarkable and we'll get to the new song in a moment.
4:06 Speaker 03 I, I just want to say this. I didn't know that Lin-Manuel, or I forgot that he did the music. But I remember listening to this early on and being like, this sounds like Hamilton.
4:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:15 Speaker 03 And then I was like, oh, that's why. Not that that's a problem.
4:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, my friends love. I was like, Hamilton is theater kid rap. And I'm like, don't be mean.
4:25 Stephen Thompson? But also, that's exactly what it is.
4:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:29 Stephen Thompson? So, I mean, my initial reaction to this film, you know, was somewhat similar to my reaction to a lot of Disney kind of pseudo live action remakes, which is, man, they should make an animated version of this.
4:43 Stephen Thompson? Like, as somebody who loves animation, thinks animation is a terrific vehicle for storytelling that allows you to kind of hand wave past a lot of the boring parts of being a human being in the world. I don't understand, other than kind of wanting to refresh your IP and make a whole boatload of money. I don't really understand the artistic impetus for these constant remakes. They're not really adding anything. So I sort of sat there through a lot of it, like, why are we doing this? I think this is very well made.
5:17 Speaker 02 Honestly, that's how I feel about all live adaptations of these Disney movies. I'm like, but we did it already.
5:22 Stephen Thompson? Right. Well, and this one, we did it less than 10 years ago. It was late 2016 when the first film came out. So I definitely had the like, why are we here in response to this film? But I will say, if we've decided that we're notionally open to these remakes, one data point that I am always going to look for is the difference in runtimes. Because I think sometimes what you get with these remakes is you're trying to recreate these animated spectacles, but using kind of live action mechanics. And what that sometimes does is it greatly slows down action scenes. It was actually one of my beefs, you know, I know, Ronald, you said you loved the Lilo and Stitch remake,
6:05 Stephen Thompson? but the Lilo and Stitch remake is much longer. It is. And one of the reasons for that is that, you know, when you're trying to duplicate these things, there's a little bit of a clunkiness to it and ends up adding quite a bit to the runtime. I think it is to this film's credit that it's only adding a few minutes to the runtime. And I think some of that is a byproduct of the fact that so many of these action scenes take place. On water and water does give you, no pun intended, a certain fluidity in action scenes. Where the action scenes still felt really quick and lively and well paced. And I think it is to the credit of the director, Thomas Kail.
6:45 Stephen Thompson? This is his first feature, but he is the Broadway director who brought the world Hamilton and in the Heights. Obviously has a relationship, you know, working with Lin-Manuel Miranda. And I think he does a really, really nice job telling the story. For me, the issue is, why are we here?
7:02 Speaker 02 Right.
7:03 Stephen Thompson? This film is so recent. This film really did not have major flaws that needed to be addressed or reworked or rewritten. It's not like you're sitting there like, they really needed to take that pig off that boat. You know, you know, there wasn't anything about the first film that I thought really needed to be changed. The reason this film exists beyond refreshing IP and beyond making a boatload of money, or so they hope. Is that if you're gonna do a live action version, they wanted Dwayne The Rock Johnson. And he's only really going to be able to credibly play this part for a little while longer. Death comes for us all.
7:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true. I thought that the pacing was really good. It's one of the things that caught my attention in the beginning. I was like, oh, man, please don't let us drag on with like extra backstory. I can't take it. Please, God, no. And they didn't. And I think that, to your point, a lot of the action scenes on the water, especially when it comes to Tefiti, is like, they didn't have to reinvent the wheel for that. It looked exactly like it did in the animated version.
8:06 Speaker 03 Like I said originally, I think this is a fine movie. And when I say fine, I just, I think it's fine that it exists. All of the why am I here? All of the why am I here is kind of embedded in there. The comparison I make is to How to Train Your Dragon.
8:18 Stephen Thompson? Yes.
8:19 Speaker 03 A movie where I'm sitting in there, watching it, wondering why I'm here. Because I just watched the original and the original still hits.
8:26 Stephen Thompson? Yes.
8:27 Speaker 03 This Moana, the original still hits. So when I get here and I think about a movie like, let's say Aladdin, where Robin Williams is dead. So obviously he can't play the genie. So they bring out Will Smith, which brings a whole Interpretation to the genie. And you could go back and forth to say whether that movie landed with folks or not. But you can say that they took it in a different direction, which is my biggest quibble with casting The Rock as Maui. Because when I was watching this, I remember thinking, he is executing this role well if I did not have to look at him. Oh, my God. Wow. And I'm not saying that is an insult. This is not about how it looks. The point is when I'm looking at The Rock in that hair with his prosthetics on,
9:11 Speaker 03 I am taken out of him being Maui. When I was watching the animated version and it's Maui with The Rock's voice, I believe in Maui as a new character.
9:21 Stephen Thompson? Right.
9:22 Speaker 03 But when I'm looking at The Rock and his face, and he's supposed to be someone different, it just felt like The Rock trying to be funny, which just wasn't working for me every time I saw him. Yeah.
9:33 Speaker 02 I liked that he leaned into just like how self-centered he was. I thought that was really cute. And I don't know, ladies, if you'll disagree with me or not, but I wasn't mad seeing The Rock with the prosthetics on. I was like, ooh, muscle body. Okay, okay, okay. And you know what I loved about that too is that I thought, how are they going to keep the little tattoo Maui? And they did it.
9:54 Stephen Thompson? Yeah, they did.
9:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:55 Speaker 02 They did. It was so cute.
9:57 Stephen Thompson? I think, Ronald, you bring up an interesting point, though. They clearly were at some sort of crossroads here, right? Where it's like, we can make this film too soon and get Dwayne The Rock Johnson in The Party Was Born to Play. Or we can kind of do what they did with Aladdin, wait 15 or 20 more years and get somebody else to do it and change the story accordingly. And to the extent, I did not find the Aladdin remake particularly compelling. But like, to me, making the exact same movie, you know, for the benefit of, I guess, people who hate animation.
10:36 Speaker 03 Does not, for me, like constitute a particularly compelling reason to be here.
10:41 Speaker 02 I didn't know that they were making a live action. And when I saw it, I was like, ah, you know what? No matter what, I'm gonna go see it. And I think that because I love the story so much, I'm not mad that they didn't really stray from what was originally created. And I thought about it as an opportunity to introduce younger audiences to a movie that older audiences already love. Like, I brought my nephew yesterday and he loved it. He's seen the animated version, but I feel like he was a little bit more compelled by some of the stuff that he saw on screen this time.
11:09 Speaker 03 Interesting. Do the kids hate animation? I don't understand.
11:12 Speaker 02 They don't like a lot of stuff.
11:14 Speaker 03 That's baffling to me.
11:15 Stephen Thompson? Because the original's on streaming. Like, you know, if you have young kids and you have Disney Plus, your kid has probably seen the original Moana and does not need to be reintroduced to it like it's some sort of lost treasure.
11:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, I looked around the room and people seemed really happy. I think the stuff that they did nail, even though Hey Hey, the rooster, was really kind of weird looking sometimes, was his slapstick. Like, I'm calling Donut. Donut laughed every time Hey Hey was on screen. And anytime he walked into the water, I was like pecking at stones. That's when he got the most laughs.
11:48 Stephen Thompson? Does the exact same thing in the other movie.
11:51 Speaker 02 So it still works.
11:54 Speaker 03 I feel like that's one thing that gets me is like, and I understand the nature of the chicken doing what it's doing. It is slapstick and it is fun in the original and in the new one. But this is where I started to get confused. When I watched the air quote live action remake of The Lion King.
12:14 Speaker 02 Oh, God, no.
12:15 Speaker 03 One of my biggest beefs, one of my biggest beefs with that was that they were using photorealistic lions who I can't really get into them because their expressions aren't doing what I need them to do. So it would have been better if they animated more to Stephen's point of saying, wow, this movie should have been animated. So then you talk about the Sonic movie and all of this backlash that comes when they make Sonic look more, yeah, with his human teeth. So they make him look more animated. So I remember watching this and thinking, if y'all were gonna make. The chicken around all of these normal people, these, you know, regular looking people, you're gonna make the chicken look more animated, then doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
12:57 Speaker 02 I like the whimsy.
12:59 Speaker 03 A live action remake. I mean, I understand that, but I'm saying like in terms of if you're doing a remake and you're just only animating the chicken to still look as silly as it does in the animation, then at some point I, it only contributes more to the, than why am I here? I could just turn this on on Disney plus and I don't really need to be in the theater for this.
13:16 Speaker 02 We're here because the people want it and also you're welcome.
13:21 Stephen Thompson? I mean, I did have the same reaction to the extended scene with the crab. Where like you're watching an animated remake of an animated scene.
13:28 Speaker 02 Truly.
13:29 Stephen Thompson? With Jermaine Clement doing the voice in both. And so.
13:32 Speaker 02 I gotta say, I loved Shiny. It's my favorite song.
13:34 Stephen Thompson? It is a great song.
13:35 Speaker 02 It's my favorite song. But yeah, it is the same with a little extra.
13:39 Stephen Thompson? Speaking of the songs, though, one of the few things that is added in this film, there is a new song, "Along the Way," clearly Oscar's eligible song, playing over the closing credits. It is a new Lin-Manuel Miranda song. Let's hear it.
14:12 Stephen Thompson? So what'd y'all think?
14:13 Speaker 03 Bet you it doesn't get nominated.
14:16 Stephen Thompson? I think it gets nominated. I thought it was catchy.
14:19 Speaker 03 I'll take a friendly wager on that.
14:21 Speaker 02 Honestly, I don't remember it.
14:22 Speaker 03 Agreed, Dicky. I remember The Rock was rapping. I don't remember, that song was not catchy enough for me to be singing it right now. I'll still sing "How Far I Go."
14:30 Speaker 02 I sing it every time I go to the beach. I stand and I walk into the water and I sing it at the top of my lungs, no matter which beach I'm at.
14:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, that hits. This did not. I mean, we're not talking, we don't talk about Bruno here, Stephen.
14:44 Speaker 03 Like, sing the song to me, Stephen. You remember the lyrics?
14:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, I need to hear it.
14:47 Stephen Thompson? I cannot. But keep in mind, I mean,
14:50 Speaker 02 Give me melody.
14:50 Stephen Thompson? We've heard the song once.
14:51 Speaker 03 Point me.
14:52 Stephen Thompson? We just had our memories refreshed on like half a dozen of the catchiest movie songs of the 21st century. I think it had a very, very high bar to clear as far as, you know, being as good as other Moana songs.
15:06 Speaker 02 Right.
15:06 Stephen Thompson? But I think being as good as other closing credits songs intended as Oscar grabs, I thought it was catchy.
15:12 Speaker 02 I'll give it a fair shake.
15:13 Speaker 03 If it gets Oscar nominated, Stephen, I will buy you a Funko Pop of your choice.
15:19 Stephen Thompson? Put some skin in the game. I will take that wager.
15:20 Speaker 02 I want to bet now, too.
15:22 Stephen Thompson? Yeah, I will take that wager, offering nothing in return.
15:25 Speaker 03 That's fine with me.
15:28 Speaker 03 The thrill of being right is enough.
15:32 Speaker 02 There's that. I mean, Your Welcome didn't disappoint me either. I think that Donut got annoyed because I was poking him as I was singing it lyric for lyric.
15:40 Stephen Thompson? Oh, boy.
15:41 Speaker 02 He was like, do, do, do, do, do. I was like, don't mess with Maui when he's on the breakaway. And he's looking at me like, please, Auntie Nick, will you stop?
15:48 Stephen Thompson? My aunt's being cringe again.
15:52 Stephen Thompson? Well, I think we can all agree, the songs are still great, the story's still great. Your mileage may vary on this new one. Up next, what's making us happy this week?
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16:59 Stephen Thompson? Now it's time for our favorite segment of this week and every week. What's making us happy this week? Nikki Birch, I'm gonna start with you. What's making you happy this week, buddy?
17:07 Speaker 02 Can I cheat and say I'm in anticipation of something that comes at the end of the month?
17:11 Stephen Thompson? Absolutely. You can be made happy by anything you want.
17:14 Speaker 02 Bleach, Thousand Year Blood War, the final season. I went to the theaters because they released the first three episodes in theaters and it was so good. And I've been watching Bleach since it came out.
17:26 Stephen Thompson? Tell me what this is, because I-
17:27 Speaker 02 Oh, so Bleach is an anime-
17:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, I thought you were talking about Clorox.
17:31 Stephen Thompson? I thought you were talking about Nirvana's first album.
17:32 Speaker 02 Oh, no. So Bleach is an anime that has been on for 20-plus years. I started watching it when I was in college because I would catch episodes late night on Adult Swim. And one day, I was like, what is this show? There are swords that have like personalities and superpowers. And there's this guy Ichigo, every time you think he's gonna lose, he just gets stronger because he doesn't want to let his friends down and he wants to save the world. And the show finished and there was a huge gap. And then suddenly they announced that they were making the final arc. So I'm really excited to see what happens in the last season because now they say that this is actually the end. So Bleach, Thousand Year Blood War is the thing that's making me happy this week. And people can watch it on Hulu.
18:15 Stephen Thompson? Nice, thank you, Nikki Birch. Ronald Young Jr., what's making you happy this week?
18:19 Speaker 03 All right, so I've been in a Love Island hole for a while, just watching it. You just, I mean, I got out of the NBA playoffs, immediately started watching Love Island. And, you know-
18:31 Stephen Thompson? You needed something that takes even longer.
18:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I just had to, something else that I had to really commit to. So I've been watching Love Island. The NBA Finals and the Love Island are both making me happy. But what happened next is really what's making me happy is I was looking for something else to watch, turned on HBO Max and I see the new episodes of Rick and Morty are there.
18:49 Speaker 02 Yes.
18:50 Speaker 03 And so I'm sure that you think I'm talking about Rick and Morty, but I'm not. I watched those episodes of Rick and Morty and HBO recommends to me something that I did not know had happened this year. And I'm talking about Regular Show, The Lost Tapes. I don't know if y'all know this, but they rebooted-
19:07 Speaker 02 Oh, yes.
19:08 Speaker 03 -Regular Show. Regular Show is back and there's a whole new season available right now to watch. Regular Show is about two, essentially, I would call them stoner, like, young 20-year-olds. And one is a jaybird and one is a raccoon. And they are in this kind of chaotic world where there are humans and animals and anthropomorphic objects, and they are working at this park. And they are also slackers, so they always are getting into hijinks and shenanigans. It's a great show and they started on Cartoon Network and I watched all of them during the pandemic, really enjoyed it. Then it was over and I remember hearing rumors that it might come back, but I missed
19:52 Speaker 03 it completely and it just was presented to me as a you might like because I had watched the entire original. And now I'm just so excited to have more Regular Show to watch. It's a great show, great palate cleanser.
20:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:05 Speaker 03 I would recommend it to most folks who just want something to just enjoy and laugh a little bit and that's what's making me happy right now. Regular Show, The Lost Tapes.
20:14 Speaker 02 Oh, that just made me happy because it's, I think you might like it, Stephen, because it's very, it's very bingeable. It's very bingeable and like the situations in which they find themselves are always a little bit absurd.
20:26 Speaker 03 Completely absurd.
20:26 Speaker 02 You're like, how did this happen and how does it keep getting worse? They can't, how do you think?
20:30 Speaker 03 Worth watching.
20:31 Stephen Thompson? So that is Regular Show, The Lost Tapes on HBO Max. Thank you so much, Ronald Young Jr. What is making me happy this week is kind of a full circle moment. I started at NPR almost exactly 20 years ago and when I first moved out to Washington DC from Wisconsin, one of the first things that made me feel alienated was that everyone was in the grips of World Cup fever. And my friends back home would be like, oh, how are you adjusting to DC? And I'd be like, I don't know, man, everybody here is an arugula-chomping soccer watcher.
21:06 Stephen Thompson? And I don't understand it. And what happened to real football, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now I have World Cup fever, which means I have been fully assimilated into Washington DC and into NPR. Obviously, this take of having World Cup fever has taken a few hits this week as the US team got absolutely dog walked by Belgium and FIFA, you know, demonstrated that it has not come a super long way from the time that it financed a lavish film about itself that made $918 at the US box office. But I have found this World Cup extremely moving. Give me a story of Scottish fans drinking the city of Boston dry.
21:48 Stephen Thompson? Give me the story of Algeria and Lawrence, Kansas, finding this incredible bond. I'm not made of stone here. I love this sort of thing. And I've even started to finally, thanks in part to my soccer knowing partner, started to figure out how the game works and started to figure out when somebody is offsides, when something is clearly a yellow card versus a red card. These things that like new fans are constantly adjusting to, I've started to finally pick up on, is there too much flopping? Is there too much corruption? Did that France Paraguay game drive me absolutely nuts with all the like-
22:28 Speaker 02 The Egypt game?
22:28 Stephen Thompson? With all the, yeah, with, but like anytime they're kind of grabbing at each other instead of playing the beautiful game, the way it was meant to be played. I get to sound like a soccer curmudgeon now. Sure, that stuff frustrates me, but anything that makes the world feel smaller and more united is all right by me, especially this summer. That is what is making me happy this week. If you want links for what we recommended, plus some more recommendations, sign up for our newsletter at npr.org/popculturenewsletter. That brings us to the end of our show. Nikki Birch, Ronald Young Jr., thanks so much for being here.
23:03 Speaker 02 Thanks for having us.
23:04 Stephen Thompson? Neither one of you said you're welcome. Come on, man.
23:07 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. That's my bad. It's funny, because I'd normally say, I've said that on other episodes. I don't know why I didn't think about it today.
23:15 Stephen Thompson? This episode was produced by Lennon Sherburne, Hufsa Fathama, and Mike Katzif, and edited by our showrunner, Jessica Reedy. Hello, Come In provides our theme music. Thanks for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. I'm Stephen Thompson, and we will see you all next week.
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