Pod Insights Pop Culture Happy Hour Our Dream TV Crossovers About this episode There have been many TV crossovers over the years, but it’s a tricky balance to get right — for every mashup that feels organic, there are plenty more that amount to little other than weird stunts. So we decided to dream up the ultimate TV crossovers: Gilmore Girls and Nashville, Abbott Elementary and The Leftovers, Only Murders in the Building and Brooklyn Nine-Nine, and The Bear and Happy Endings.
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0:20 Aisha Harris? TV crossovers. There have been many over the years, from the Jetsons meeting the Flintstones to the Abbott Elementary teachers clashing with the "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" crew. And it's a tricky balance to get right. For every mashup that feels organic, there are plenty more that amount to little other than weird stunts.
0:37 Speaker 02 So what makes a good crossover? And if we were Hollywood writers, which two shows would we want to see come together to make TV magic? I'm Glen Weldon.
0:46 Aisha Harris? And I'm Aisha Harris. And today, we're talking about dream TV crossovers on Pop Glitter Happy Hour from NPR.
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2:20 Aisha Harris? Joining me today is BA Parker. She's one of the hosts of NPR's Code Switch podcast. Hello, Parker. Hello. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. Also with us is Andrew Limbong. He's the host of NPR's Book of the Day podcast and a reporter for The Culture Desk. Hello, Andrew.
2:36 Speaker 04 Hey, what's up, guys? How you doing?
2:37 Aisha Harris? Very, very good. And very glad to be talking about this subject because I feel like we're gonna have some really, really fun picks. So our premise today is very simple. Each of us is going to cast the crossover special of our dreams, the world colliding episodes that exist only in our imaginations. And just to be clear, this will not be an exercise in shipping fictional characters from different TV shows, or at least that's not the primary objective here. We'll save our arguments for hooking up Scandal's Olivia Pope with Grey's Anatomy's Jackson Avery for another day. And yes, I thought of that. I feel like it'd be fun, but that's not why we're here to talk about it. She'd eat him alive.
3:16 Speaker 04 Listen, you should know, that PSA was my bad. I'm sorry. I made a couple of suggestions, and everyone was like, nah, chill.
3:21 Aisha Harris? Yeah, no, no, no. Andrew's the problem. Yes, we'll reconvene for that on a different episode. But for now, Andrew, let's start with you. I want to know, what is a cast that you want to see worlds collide here? Give it to us.
3:36 Speaker 04 All right, so I was thinking kind of philosophically about this, right? And what one wants to achieve with a TV crossover episode that isn't sort of trying to prove how cool a multiverse can be, right? Because I feel like the most recent stuff I could think of is what the CW was trying to pull with their stuff. And I realized that I think some of my favorite TV crossovers have to do with unrealized potential, right? Anybody who knows me knows that I'm always in some state of re-watching Gilmore Girls, you know, on the couch, watching like season three, season four Gilmore Girls. And there you see the beginnings of the band Hep Alien. So that's Lane's band, right? That she has with Dave Rigelinski and, you know, Zach and all the crew. Anyone who's a fan of Gilmore Girls knows that that band doesn't- Make it, as one would hope.
4:21 Aisha Harris? Spoiler.
4:22 Speaker 04 They try, they try, but they never quite get there. And I was thinking like, what do I want out of this band? How can we see them sort of excel? And then I was thinking about another musically inclined TV show. Did you guys watch that show Nashville?
4:36 Speaker 02 Sure.
4:37 Speaker 04 You know, it was on ABC back in the day. It starred Connie Britton as this like super famous country star. And it was like exploring the world of country music at the time. And so I was thinking, my favorite era of Nashville was when they were doing like the XXXs, right? There's Gunner, Scarlett and Avery. They are a trio of like, you know, kind of Fleetwood Mac-y sort of songwriting team. And they perform. And I was like, if Hep Alien, this like local indie rock band can meet up with the folks in Nashville, right? I think they might be inspired to actually go for it. And then I could see Hep Alien writing albums, kind of like what we're seeing in indie rock today
5:17 Speaker 04 from like Waxahachie or MJ Lenderman or like Wednesday, that's sort of like country inspired, but noisy and still like indie influenced rock music. So that's the dream I want to see is a Nashville Gilmore Girls crossover.
5:32 Aisha Harris? Oh, my gosh. Oh, my goodness. Wait, so we're not shipping relationships, but now we're shipping super groups? Is that what's happening? That's what's happening.
5:37 Speaker 04 Listen, I would have called Hep Alien a super group. Shout out to the band.
5:42 Aisha Harris? Well, if they were to combine with-
5:43 Speaker 04 I think in my dream, right? Hep Alien maybe like moves to like Asheville, North Carolina, right? There's like a sort of tenuous country scene relationship between Nashville there. And they build a sort of like left of center alt country scene, you know?
5:57 Aisha Harris? Okay, I've watched neither of these shows. Glenn, please weigh in.
6:00 Speaker 02 I didn't watch Nashville, but I know it had a reputation for being kind of bonkers, especially towards the end.
6:05 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
6:06 Speaker 02 And I worry about tone here because Gilmore Girls, I mean, there were bonkers things that happened on it. Characters made really stupid choices on that show, but the tone was cozier, warmer, unless it was a scene with Emily Gilmore, the best character on the show, then it was great. And so you've got cozy, warm, hitting glitzy bonkers.
6:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:25 Speaker 02 How do you square that circle?
6:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's called pavement, the band.
6:31 Speaker 02 That is the perfect answer.
6:32 Speaker 04 That's what I want. That's what I'm going.
6:33 Speaker 05 Wait, no, but I can also see the vision because Lorelai and her family is feels almost akin. It's like Connie Britton's and her family of just like prestige and trying to like step away from your fate as like, you know, a rich girl trying to thrive. I mean, I see the vision. I just, any fantasy where Lane thrives is okay with me.
6:58 Speaker 02 Justice for Lane. Absolutely.
6:59 Speaker 04 That is the true goal. Yeah.
7:00 Speaker 05 Lane and Scarlett join together, make their own little group. Like Scarlett had the most beautiful voice, that like tiny Australian lady, but actress. Sorry. I haven't seen Nashville in 10 years.
7:13 Speaker 04 It's primo like hotel TV.
7:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true.
7:17 Speaker 05 And the songs are great.
7:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:18 Aisha Harris? All right. Look, I love this vision for you. I cannot weigh in because I've seen neither of those shows, but I like it. It sounds like we're on board with this here. So that's Nashville matching up with Gilmore Girls.
7:30 Speaker 04 Yep.
7:31 Aisha Harris? Look, this is a dream. There are no boundaries here.
7:34 Speaker 04 This is why you support public media. It's to like encourage big thinking, you know?
7:38 Aisha Harris? Yes, yes, yes. And who knows? Maybe both of those shows can get revived and there we go. Everything's going to reboot it now, so it's very possible.
7:46 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:46 Aisha Harris? Okay. Thank you, Andrew. Parker.
7:48 Speaker 05 Hi. This is a real hear me out, okay? I want to prepare everyone because when I said it to my friends, they said that this was bonkers as well. Okay.
7:58 Speaker 02 Okay.
7:58 Speaker 05 So I know that Abbott Elementary already did a crossover with It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but for me, the crossover of the century would be Abbott Elementary and The Leftovers.
8:11 Speaker 02 Oh, wow.
8:13 Speaker 04 What?
8:13 Speaker 02 Wow.
8:16 Speaker 02 Right away, I'm getting a tonal disconnect, but I'm going to let you finish.
8:20 Speaker 05 No, no, no. I did like my holiday Leftovers rewatch. It still slaps. It rings even more true after the pandemic. But I will say, if you think of it as like an inside out situation where you need the joy to reach the sadness, and you need the sadness to fit with the joy, I feel like there is a world. So The Leftovers, for anyone who hadn't watched it, is a show from 2014 to 2017. It's about how 2% of the world's population just vanishes.
8:52 Speaker 05 And the world deals with this grief and tries to process it, have like these really existential conversations. And then you have Abbott Elementary, which is a beloved show about like an elementary school and like the hijinks that ensue within Philadelphia. And I just feel like there is a bitter and a sweet that can come together. And I can see like Nora Durst, who lost all of her family in the departure, like, I don't know, getting her heart healed a little bit by like being a volunteer for a day at Abbott Elementary. I can see like Barbara and the Reverend Matt having a conversation about like religion. And I can see Jacob falling in with the Guilty Remnant, which is a group of like cult-adjacent
9:36 Speaker 05 people who smoke cigarettes and wear all white and force people to like reckon with the loss that they've just endured. I can see all of that. I just think that, you know, in my mind, it makes perfect sense.
9:49 Aisha Harris? Okay.
9:50 Speaker 02 A logistical question. So we meet the folks in Abbott Elementary after the rapture, whatever it is that's happened. So nobody from the current cast has been disappeared, has been raptured up.
10:00 Speaker 05 Knock on wood.
10:00 Speaker 02 Not even Jacob? Not even Jacob? Maybe Jacob.
10:03 Aisha Harris? Also, is the documentary crew still there?
10:05 Speaker 05 Yes, the documentary crew is still there.
10:07 Aisha Harris? Okay, so they weren't raptured? Okay.
10:09 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm sure.
10:10 Speaker 02 They lost their boom mic guy.
10:11 Speaker 05 They lost their boom mic guy, maybe like one or two sound people. But I feel like they slip up and find one of the Guilty Remnant finally talking in a corner. Like, I feel like this is peak television, y'all.
10:22 Speaker 02 It's big television.
10:23 Speaker 05 If you see the vision.
10:24 Speaker 02 I see the vision.
10:25 Speaker 04 I'm seeing the janitor play a big part here.
10:27 Speaker 05 For sure.
10:28 Speaker 04 I can see him smoking cigs and wearing white, but I can also see him be like a sort of enlightened being, you know?
10:34 Speaker 05 I feel like him and Patty would be in cahoots.
10:36 Speaker 02 Right. And I think on Abbott, the principal is clearly ready for this.
10:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
10:40 Aisha Harris? Ava has her own bunker.
10:42 Speaker 05 But she's also like, y'all, good night and good luck. She's safe. Everyone else is like, that's not my business.
10:47 Aisha Harris? Yes, yes. Okay. I see the vision here. Again, the tone. Is interesting. It would be an interesting mashup, I guess. No, no, no. The other thing to consider is that like oftentimes with these crossovers, they crossover into each of their worlds. And so like, I guess what they did with Abbott and Always Sunny when they did that crossover was they still kept the documentary style in both the Always Sunny and the Abbott Elementary episodes. So like, would the documentary still be crewing or would we finally get to see who's behind the camera? That would be my question.
11:19 Speaker 05 Ooh.
11:19 Aisha Harris? Oh, that'd be good, like, final episode, yeah. That could be interesting. All right. Look, again, these choices are bonkers, but this is fun. I'm digging it. Thank you, Parker. Abbott Elementary and The Leftovers. Sure, why not? Why not? I think is the proper response.
11:37 Aisha Harris? So I'm gonna go next and bring my pick. And I will say that, I guess, relative to Andrew and Parker's picks, maybe mine is a little less inspired, or at least like less unexpected. The only thing that I could see being the real issue here is the fact that these shows that I've chosen, one of them is fairly recent and the other one is no longer on the air. So like, that's the sort of hurdle here. But I think spiritually, this makes sense. And I'm gonna go with mashing up Only Murders in the Building and Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
12:11 Speaker 05 Oh.
12:11 Aisha Harris? Okay, sure. Mm-hmm. Yes, yes. Okay, so here's the thing. Brooklyn Nine-Nine did do a crossover episode with New Girl. Yeah. It was bad. It didn't make sense. And this is the thing that I come up against when I'm like thinking about crossovers and what makes a crossover work. Because the Brooklyn Nine-Nine and New Girl crossover, it seemed at least that like, we did this because they were both on at the same time, on the same network, and maybe they both needed a boost in their ratings or wanted to goose the ratings or whatever. And so they're like, sure, why not? But like, even though they're both comedies, they're very different energy kind of comedies. Like, one is a workplace, the other one is a, you
12:53 Aisha Harris? know, friends, hang out, happy endings type of thing. And also, like, one is in Brooklyn and the other one is in LA. And so they had a very convoluted way of getting the New Girl cast, all of the main ones, to New York. Right. And the crossover for the Brooklyn Nine-Nine episode, it's just like a cameo from Zooey Deschanel, the star of New Girl, in one scene. And then in the New Girl episode, it's a little bit more integrated. But like, again, it feels not necessary and did not enhance anything. I think Brooklyn Nine-Nine and Only Murders in the Building work perfectly because you've got Only Murders, which is about solving murders in an Upper West Side apartment led by Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez, who all happen to live in this building and murders keep occurring.
13:35 Aisha Harris? And then Brooklyn Nine-Nine, who are just across the bridge, you know, it's not Manhattan, but it's not that far, it's not LA.
13:42 Speaker 05 I mean emotionally, it feels far. Yeah.
13:44 Aisha Harris? As someone who lived in Brooklyn for nine years, yes, emotionally, absolutely. But here's what I'm thinking. So, a murder occurs, and of course, the lead characters in Only Murders band together, they do their thing. It could be any of the seasons, you know, there's been multiple ones, it doesn't matter. But somehow, a clue leads them to Brooklyn, which prompts the nine-nine team to get involved. Maybe Devine Joy Randolph's Detective Williams is friendly with like Andy Samberg's Jake, or she knows Captain Holt. R.I.P. Andre Barr, that's the other hurdle we have here, like sadly, he's no longer with us. But I can easily see the chaotic theater energy of Martin Short's Oliver, like serving as a great foil to Captain Holt, maybe, you know, they clash a little bit because Oliver
14:29 Aisha Harris? is not as cultured in the same way. He likes theater, but it's not opera, it's not, you know, whatever. Rosa, played by Stephanie Beatriz, and Mabel, played by Selena Gomez, like I could see them bonding through their stoic mannerisms and all that stuff. Jake and Charles, you know, Samberg and Joe LaTrulio, you know, the very funny guys on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, teaming up with Steve Martin's Charles. I just feel as though it could be a really fun mashup.
14:55 Speaker 04 Didn't we find out last season in Only Murders that Martin Short's character Oliver is like from Brooklyn, right? They go to Flatbush, because I remember, be like, hey, I grew up there.
15:04 Speaker 05 Andrew, you would magically find the Flatbush connection.
15:09 Speaker 04 Yeah, maybe that's in the district.
15:11 Aisha Harris? Yeah, yeah. I don't know, it just feels like spiritually, these shows would go together very well.
15:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, there's definitely a vibe.
15:16 Aisha Harris? Yeah.
15:16 Speaker 05 I can see that. Oliver could be producing a show at St. Anne's Warehouse, and there you go. Someone dies by the water.
15:23 Aisha Harris? Yes.
15:23 Speaker 04 I was never a regular watcher of Brooklyn Nine-Nine, do they actually solve crimes on that show?
15:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, man.
15:28 Aisha Harris? They do.
15:28 Speaker 05 Sure.
15:29 Speaker 04 What's their like?
15:30 Aisha Harris? Percentage?
15:31 Speaker 04 Hit rate? Because like Oliver and crew, they're like five for five or whatever, however many scenes there, you know, they've got numbers on the board. What are they, Brooklyn Nine-Nine?
15:38 Aisha Harris? I mean, look, they definitely solve crimes. The crimes are not usually murder. I will say that. It's a comedy. It's usually, you know, thieves and, you know, whatever. It's not as serious as murder, but it doesn't matter. This is a dream. This is my dream. And I want it.
15:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm just saying, maybe they can give them like tips on good police work.
15:58 Aisha Harris? Absolutely. I love it. I love it. So that is my pick. I would love to see Brooklyn Nine-Nine and Only Murders in the Building team up to solve a murder in the building. Glenn?
16:10 Speaker 02 Yep.
16:10 Aisha Harris? We're gonna turn to you as our final dream TV crossover. I'm sure we will not be disappointed. Give it to us.
16:18 Speaker 02 No promises. I'll tell you, I like the Abbott Elementary Always Sunny approach, which is where the reason for the crossover is logical, it's clean, it's location. The reason people crossover in real life is location. Back in the eighties, there was a Cheers, St. Elsewhere crossover because they were both in Boston.
16:33 Aisha Harris? Oh.
16:33 Speaker 02 Clean. And that is only scratching the surface, by the way, because if you Google the Tommy Westfall universe, you're gonna have to clear your schedule because that's your afternoon right there. But I thought, okay, location, location, location. That's the key. Then I figured The Bear is set in Chicago. The Bear is a restaurant. You get people churning through the front of house, back of house. And Chicago is famously a location for a hell of a lot of TV shows over the years. So who should it be? It's The Bear and is it Keenan and Kel? Is it According to Jim? Is it Chicago Fire, Meg, Petey, Justice, Hope? Is it Early Edition?
17:05 Speaker 04 Early Edition.
17:06 Aisha Harris? Early Edition is a fave.
17:07 Speaker 04 Early Edition, nice pull.
17:09 Speaker 02 Is it Family Matters, Father Dowling Mysteries, Good Wife, Good Fight, The Bob Newhart Show, Jonny Loves Chachi, Married with Children, Mike and Molly, Perfect Strangers, Punky Brewster, The Real O'Neills, Shameless? Webster? Should it crossover with Webster? No. Because you know what The Bear needs? If it really wants people to stop whining every time Emmy season comes around and they submit themselves as a comedy. Even though it's not a comedy, if they really want to put that to bed forever, what they need is jokes. Jokes is how you solve that problem. So it needs to cross over with one of the best, funniest, most joke-dense shows that is set in Chicago of recent years. The Bear needs to cross over with the aforementioned Happy Endings.
17:52 Speaker 05 I guess.
17:52 Speaker 02 Happy Endings ran on ABC for three seasons from 2011 to 2013. It's about six best friends living in Chicago. That's really the plot. There was the wealthy couple Jane and Brad, played by Eliza Coop and Damon Wayans Jr. Jane's younger sister Alex, played by Alicia Cuthbert. Alex's ex-Dave, played by Zachary Knighton. And the real heart of the show, for my money, Max and Penny, they were played by Adam Pally and Casey Wilson. There is even a way in that is already like planned out on Happy Endings.
18:20 Speaker 05 Oh, I know.
18:20 Speaker 02 Dave, the character of Dave, has a food truck called, anyone remember?
18:24 Speaker 05 Stake me home tonight.
18:26 Speaker 02 Stake me home tonight.
18:27 Speaker 05 Oh, that's right, yes.
18:28 Speaker 02 So, right, so maybe Carmy wants to expand. He brings Dave in to run the Bear food truck. And I think we can all agree that on The Bear, the Fax, the Fax Brothers, are not really pulling their comedic weight. So you swap them out for Max and Penny. Penny does the restaurant's marketing and social media. Max is also there. I don't know what he does. He does whatever the Fax do, which is
18:53 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:53 Speaker 02 nothing. And as much as I love Oliver Platt on that show, Uncle Jimmy, as the key investor, that whole thing is kind of one note. He's always complaining. He's always threatening. Have Jane and Brad buy out his steak, put them front of house because they're both incredibly hot, hijinks and sue. Or maybe The Bear becomes their hangout, but like the steakhouse was in Happy Endings, although The Bear seems a little too high-end for that. I don't know how that works. I also don't know what you do with Alex in this scenario, but I'm not alone in that because the show didn't know what to do with Alex either, so. So I join that. Now, I will say, after I had planned this all out and I had made every connection, I realized that what really needs to happen is that The Bear needs to cross over with Bob's Burgers. Not because of location, but because they share a vibe, right?
19:35 Speaker 02 There is a sense of being overmatched by life. There's a melancholy to both shows. But then I remembered the bear has enough melancholy, so I'm gonna stick with my original answer. It's the bear and happy endings. Fight me.
19:46 Aisha Harris? I mean, I don't want to. I think this is very good.
19:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's very.
19:49 Aisha Harris? I mean, tonally, it's completely whiplash, but...
19:53 Speaker 02 There's a reason for that. It's intentional.
19:55 Aisha Harris? Yes, and like you said, this show likes to pretend it's a comedy, and when you finally put some comedy in there, it might actually make Carmy a little more enjoyable to be around. So, I like this. I was trying to think of a show that would cross over well with the bear, and I couldn't. And so, I like this. This is a good vibe.
20:12 Speaker 05 I mean, we could throw in early edition, we're solving a crime through the newspaper that's happening. Some extortion.
20:21 Speaker 02 That was a paper that got delivered to the door. You can't do that anymore.
20:24 Aisha Harris? Yeah, that's true.
20:25 Speaker 02 You're getting a news alert. A news alert predicts the future.
20:29 Aisha Harris? Another thought that I had while brainstorming this was like, is there a way to mash up Atlanta and Insecure, which I feel like is kind of a similar, like, Insecure isn't quite as zany as Happy Endings, but I do feel like it's way more of a comedy than Atlanta is. And granted, they're in completely different cities, which is why I didn't really choose. I was like, I don't know, would one of them be a cousin? I don't know. Like, it's possible, but yeah, I'm not gonna fight you. Is anyone else gonna fight him?
20:55 Speaker 04 No. No. What makes Chicago such a good place for all of these shows? There's something...
21:01 Speaker 05 Keep it cute, Andrew.
21:03 Speaker 04 No, no, there's something I just am tearing about it, like rugged about it, and yet, like, it's not New York, not LA.
21:08 Speaker 02 Yeah. By the way, that list only scratched the surface.
21:11 Speaker 04 I guess, you know, not having seen it all in one list, I don't think I realized that Chicago is such a home for TV shows.
21:17 Speaker 02 Yeah. And, you know, Chicago's a major city, but it is not on a coast.
21:21 Aisha Harris? It is the second city.
21:22 Speaker 02 So, therefore, if you are looking to represent more Americans, you can think this is representative. More people maybe can see themselves in Chicago than they can see themselves in the Bronx.
21:32 Aisha Harris? This is true.
21:33 Speaker 05 Meanwhile, Baltimore's got The Wire and homicide life on the street.
21:37 Speaker 04 Listen, come on.
21:39 Speaker 04 Come on.
21:43 Aisha Harris? Well, I think we all had some pretty good picks here. And we got to, you know, play a little in the fantasy sandbox and it was very fun.
21:52 Speaker 02 And now listeners must vote for the best one. I'm sorry, I need to gamify this.
21:56 Aisha Harris? Oh, my God. Throw up a hole, you know, let's see how it goes. Yes, yes. Well, tell us which one you think is the best. And also tell us which shows you'd love to see in a crossover. Find us on Facebook at facebook.com/PCHH. That brings us to the end of our very, very fun experiment show. BA Parker, Andrew Limbong, Glen Weldon, thanks so much for being here.
22:18 Speaker 04 Thank you.
22:18 Speaker 05 Thank you. Listeners, I'm willing to write fanfiction if you want for the leftovers of elementary situation as like a boom for you to vote for me.
22:28 Speaker 02 That's cheating.
22:29 Aisha Harris? We're gonna hold you to that. This episode was produced by Carly Rubin, Kayla Latimore, Mike Katsif, and edited by our showrunner Jessica Reedy. Audio engineering was performed by Sina LaFredo and Hello, Come In provides our theme music. Thanks so much for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. I'm Aisha Harris and we'll see you all next time.
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