Task

The new HBO series Task stars Mark Ruffalo and Tom Pelphrey in a grim, but stealthily hopeful drama. From the creator of Mare of Easttown, the show is a cat-and-mouse crime thriller about an FBI agent reluctantly dragged back into the field to investigate a series of drug related crimes. The show offers drugs, stolen money, family drama, kidnapping, shootouts, grief, and forgiveness. Follow Pop Culture Happy Hour on Letterboxd at letterboxd.com/nprpopculture https://letterboxd.com/nprpopculture/ See pcm.adswizz.com https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. NPR Privacy Policy https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy

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  The HBO series Task is a grim, but if you stick with it, a stealthily hopeful drama from the creator of Mare of Easttown. Like Mare, it's set in the Philly suburbs and features a great cast hurtling themselves against the Philly regional accent. But where Mare was a murder mystery, Task is a cat and mouse crime thriller featuring Mark Ruffalo as a world-weary FBI agent reluctantly dragged back into the field to investigate a series of crimes among rival gangs. There's drugs, stolen money, family drama, kidnapping, shootouts, grief, forgiveness, and of course, motor ice. This is NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour. I'm Glen Weldon, and we're talking Task.

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  Joining me today is Wayland Wong. She's the co-host of NPR's daily economics podcast, The Indicator from Planet Money. Hey, Wayland.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Hello from Lefty's Tap Room.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  Excellent. Also with us is Vulture TV critic Roxana Hadadi. Welcome back, Roxana.

• 2:33Speaker 05

  Thank you. Thank you so much.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  Of course. Let's get to it. In task, Mark Ruffalo plays Tom, an FBI agent who's been assigned to a desk ever since his family was struck by a tragedy that's left him and his teenage daughter mired in grief. Tom Pelphrey plays Robbie, a sanitation worker who moonlights as a thief, raiding drug houses for reasons of his own, reasons tied up with his own grief over the death of his brother. He lives with his late brother's daughter Maeve, played by Amelia Jones, who is terrific. Robbie's wife has left him. Maeve is now very reluctantly taking care of his kids. Tom's boss, played by Martha Plimpton, yay, puts him in charge of a task force to investigate Robbie's drug raids. Task was created by Brad Inglesby. It's airing on HBO and streaming on HBO Max. Wayland, do this hold any water for you?

• 3:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I really like this. I like the structure of it. You know, like you mentioned, it's a cat and mouse, not a whodunit. And in this case, it's like a three-way cat and mouse with a bit of who's the mole thrown in. So I really like that. I like the pacing and the kind of doling out of information. That worked for me. Performances really, really worked for me. Pretty much everyone, to me, felt like a complete human being and the world felt really filled in. I loved the setting. I loved the kind of juxtaposition of like a very verdant Delaware County and quarries and woods with, you know, some grittier urban landscapes and kind of glum suburban strip mall settings. And I like that even small characters

• 4:03Speaker 04

  would get these moments that really made them feel like human beings that had a role to play in the story. The one thing I didn't quite like, and we can probably talk about this later, is I do feel like Mark Ruffalo's character's backstory is so sad in a way that I was like, oh, what? Like, we don't need this many sad things. We could have done a Coco Chanel thing and taken off one sad thing before he left the house. And the story, like the, just like the thriller element of it, would have been perfectly nice and suspenseful and entertaining without like the absolute-

• 4:40Speaker 04

  Incredibly heavy, heavy baggage that this character comes in with.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  That, to me, was like a demerit, but otherwise, I would recommend this show to my friends. I really liked it.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a great take. Okay, Roxanna, listeners should really read your excellent Vulture review because A, it's beautifully written as always, but B, it's also really well argued. It had me reevaluating my own reaction to the show and considering the show from different angles, which is, let's remember, please, what great criticism does. It's what it's for. But hit me with it. What'd you think?

• 5:11Speaker 05

  Thank you. Well, first, thank you. I appreciate that. And then it's so interesting because I think my take is the exact opposite.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 05

  In that the family drama stuff is why I cared about the show and why I cared about the performances. And all of the drug dealing, Robbie being a robber, did you get it?

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  That whole thing, I said this in my review and I will say it again, it really was like FX, early aughts, Sons of Anarchy lite. None of that really felt believable to me, but the show is so intentional in its editing and in its framing and in its blocking to tell you how Tom and Robbie are two fathers of daughters and how their paths are sort of parallel. I really liked the domestic stuff and sort of the question of if you, as a man, feel lost or aimless,

• 6:16Speaker 05

  how does that sort of permeate the people around you? And how do you sort of, I don't want to say ruin their lives because that's sort of dramatic, but the series almost suggests that, right? That like your male loneliness can end up trapping the people around you. And I was really fascinated by that. I'm like a real sucker for like, what's wrong with men these days? So I really liked that. But man, I am hearing people compare this with Heat and I really need people to calm down. That's a comparison.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I get that.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  That is sort of killing me.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  All right. Well, I kind of agree and disagree with both of you for different reasons. So let's start off with the surface stuff first. My parents grew up in Delaware County. A lot of my aunts and uncles and cousins are still there. I think they would all give this the Delco seal of approval because this thing. Rushes to establish its Philly bona fides in the first five minutes. I mean, Ruffalo's driving into work. We get KYW News Radio, traffic on the twos, Blue Root, tick, tick, tick. Next morning, he says, I made scrambled eggs and scrapple.

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  I could stop by the Acme. Maybe I'll drop by for a, wait for it.

• 7:25Linda Holmes?

  Maybe I'll drop by for a water ice.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  I mean, we are five minutes in and we've already won Philly Bingo and we didn't need the free space. It's amazing. And I just want to shout out real quick, Michael Tenenbaum and the Philly Voice, who is recapping the show and cataloging every single regional reference. I love my people. Would I be in as invested as I am in the show if it was set in like the Pittsburgh suburbs, you know, Lancaster freaking county? That's an open question, but my way in is so specific. Cause something I noticed, if you remember how in Mayor of East Town, every actor threw themselves neck deep into the accent. Ruffalo isn't. Ruffalo is hitting it, but he's not Evan Peters-ing it, right? He's, I'm reading him. It makes me think about this character.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  It makes me read him as a guy who grew up with that accent, around that accent, but who worked very hard to get rid of it, which is a real thing that happens. Hi, my name's Glenn. Have you met me? So it only comes out when he's not thinking about it. So I felt like that worked for me. I ultimately found the show incredibly rewarding because I thought it was going to be one thing. I thought it was going to be the prestige police procedural it's being marketed as. But like Roxanna, what I found was something that was a lot shaggier and more rumpled and character study-ish. But does that feeling of subverted expectations jibe with your experience, Waylon? Or was the show kind of what you thought it was going to be?

• 8:53Speaker 04

  I think honestly, the show was what I thought it was going to be, which was this kind of crime drama, but I. Did love all of the subtle character moments that established the ways in which these characters, as flawed as they are, are trying to care for the people around them. And so I think I was pleasantly surprised by the emotional depth that we got from the characters in a way that like, you don't necessarily need that, right? But they really do make you sit with the emotional stuff, too, these pretty heavy themes of like fatherhood and like the male loneliness epidemic. And I keep coming back to like,

• 9:35Speaker 04

  there's this moment in the pilot when Robbie is peeling an apple. He's sitting with his friend Cliff, who's Robin the Drug House is with, and they're talking about their hopes and dreams. And Robbie is peeling this apple in this way that's like a cool guy thing to do on film, where you're peeling it with a penknife. And he's peeling it and he's cutting off pieces and he's sharing pieces of this apple with Cliff. And to me, as a Chinese person, cutting up fruit for someone else and sharing a piece of cut fruit with someone else is like the ultimate act of like familial love and care. To me, it just spoke volumes, you know? And it's like, again, the show didn't need to do that.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  You know, these actors, you know, are just like suffusing these like small moments with such depth to me. So that was like a great emotional kind of upside of watching this show.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  What little humor there is in this very dark show is in Martha Plimpton.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Oh, so funny.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  She is always eating. She's doing the Brad Pitt in the Ocean's movies. I love me a mid-career Plimpton.

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  They want me to put together a task force. I know. I'm sorry. I assigned Maria Herrera to lead, but she got ordered to bed rest. What is it? Oh, it's something about a leaky uterus. What's the job? Sorry.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  She is playing a little bit of an archetype, you know? But you know, when it's done well, you're like...

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Can I tell you this is a bad idea? Yeah, that, she's doing that.

• 10:56Speaker 04

  And then later on, she does get to like run around and do kind of FBI gun waving stuff, which is also very exciting. You know, she's not just behind a desk being like, get your act together, or whatever like these bosses say in these kinds of stories.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  I'm gonna take your badge. I'm gonna take your gun, get your act together. She's doing that. Not saying she's not doing that.

• 11:14Speaker 05

  I do think the men, for the most part, are better written than the women.

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  Agreed.

• 11:21Speaker 05

  With the exception of Maeve, who I think is pretty well-rounded in her frustration with being stuck in this town. What is it that you're missing here?

• 11:31Speaker 07

  I don't know what I'm missing because I never had anything.

• 11:33Speaker 05

  We were in this together.

• 11:34Speaker 07

  First my dad dies, then Karen takes off. And I'm here raising our kids, your kids. I mean, what the do I know about raising kids?

• 11:42Speaker 05

  My partner has said this about my taste, which is that I love watching guys being dudes. And this show has a lot of guys being dudes, but in ways you wouldn't expect. Exactly like was said with the cut fruit, there are these moments where these men swim in like a quarry together. There is a lot of really tender friendship stuff that I think is just really well articulated. And I think the performances elevate it even more. I do think Ruffalo is like really perfect in this. He has not worked for me lately when he's gone big. Like I did not really care for him in Poor Things or in Mickey 17. But I think he's just, he's so tired in this. And I think that really works.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  He's been through a lot.

• 12:29Speaker 05

  He's been through a lot.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  No one's been through more than this guy.

• 12:33Speaker 05

  My man is exhausted and I think that really helps. And I think Pelfry is doing something also really interesting. I think most people will know him from Ozark. And I think this is really like a magnificent showcase for how deep he can go. And I also really, I really enjoy Fabian Frankel in this too, because he has sort of like a, you think at first, very predictable, hotshot, young, cop personality, which I think takes on some additional texture. I don't know, like the plotting of this thing. I think really takes its time and I really think it tests you to stick with it. There is something sort of inevitable that happens, I think.

• 13:15Speaker 05

  But I just think it takes a little bit too long to get there, man. I don't know. I just think it tested us.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  You already mentioned Amelia Jones as Maeve. That's a great performance. I think the writing is actually, as you mentioned, Rex, and I think the writing is doing her a good service the way it doesn't do a lot of the other women in the show.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  She gets the sum up line of the series and it comes at the end of the second episode. She says to Robbie, what have you done to us?

• 13:39Speaker 07

  What have you done to us?

• 13:40Speaker 04

  The question I posed to all destructive men everywhere. What have you done to us?

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Also, Not for Nothing, great accent, just up to the line without going over. It's all in the vowels. You can hear it. It's there.

• 13:52Speaker 05

  And we haven't talked about this character, this boy Sam, who Robbie essentially, I would say kidnaps.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  You should say it.

• 14:00Speaker 04

  It's a friendly kidnapping.

• 14:01Speaker 05

  Yeah. And then they're sort of grappling with Sam. That young actor is so compelling.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  So good. All the kids in this are good. Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 05

  Yeah. The scenes that he has with Maeve, I think, are really getting at the question of this show, which is like, what do we transfer to the generations that come after us? Like, what sort of trauma and pain do they absorb by being in our presence? That all is so good. Again, it's like you, you sort of want to like rearrange the board of some of these pieces because I think they really nailed the central concept. And then in building it out, we sort of see like the growing pains of the show.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Well, here's where I agree and disagree with you both. I mean, like, I think the motorcycle gang stuff wasn't where my heart was. I like the Cat and Mouse crime thriller stuff fine, but I was intrigued by kind of what you both have talked about, which this show's obsession with men talking about their feelings, but specifically grief. How grief works, how grief is a thing that happens in the wake of a death, that it's like this physical process that your body puts you through. It has a beginning, middle and an end, although, you know, sometimes the end gets kind of feathery and lingering. And what ties these two men together, and this is like, the show does all these kind of facile parallels between them. What really ties them is that they both screwed up the grief process in different ways. Tom has reasons that he couldn't fully engage with that process

• 15:24Speaker 02

  because we learn in the pilot that the loss of his wife is the result of a. Crime that happened within the family unit. So his grief is of necessity, not clean, not pure. It's complicated. It's mediated. It's tangled. And Robbie is different. Robbie has gone through the grief process, but he is still in it. He didn't let it end. He's holding on to it. And in both those cases, it's going to twist you up in a very specific way. It's going to convince you, as both of these men are convinced at the start of the story, that forgiveness, which the show is all about, forgiveness is something that absolutely no one should give out because absolutely no one ever deserves it, which is a really poisonous view of the world. And it's not sustainable, but that's where both of these characters are. That's the thing that these two characters share.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  We know that these two characters are going to come together in some way. That's not a spoiler. So we won't say how or why, but these two actors do end up sharing the screen at some point. And that, to me, is the make or break part of the show. So, look, it was hilarious, Roxanne, that you pointed out people are comparing this to heat because this was never going to be De Niro and Pacino.

• 16:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Because these are not two characters who are crackling with electricity. It's not going to be a volatile chemistry because these are two chronic depressives commiserating, right? But it's that commiseration that, oh, that makes the show for me because what's happening in those brief scenes is that both of these very broken men are smart enough to realize that they're headed toward disaster, each of them struggling to prevent it, both for themselves and for each other. And it's the for each other thing, which I find kind of, you know, heartening. I mean, the most interesting thing about the show, of course, is that even though they're enemies in the eyes of the law, their real issues aren't with each other. They're with other people in their lives. There is something hopeful in those scenes.

• 17:08Speaker 05

  I guess my frustration is I think that the end, I will say that a certain arc to me did not feel entirely earned. And so I think there's just a little bit of like a finger press of you should feel that this is hopeful and that like we achieved catharsis and that we have reached a point now where certain characters have dealt with their issues. I think there could have been another episode of perhaps more distinct grappling with all of that guilt and grief that we have talked about. But what I will say. Is yeah, that meeting and what you are getting out of it, Glenn, I do think that

• 17:51Speaker 05

  that is like valuable and worth watching the show for. I would just say, maybe don't watch it week to week, maybe binge it.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a good point.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  Like, you think it'll be really unsatisfying tuning in week to week?

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 18:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, and that's so atypical for me to say, because I love a weekly watch. But I, I really think that this like gathers steam in a certain way when you are sort of like binging those first five episodes together. And what I will say is like, in some ways, and this is maybe like a galaxy brained comparison, but in some ways, it reminded me of like, season one of The Bear and like the Carmy Richie dynamic. And I think that sort of like, men trying to figure out who they are to each other. If that is your bag, I think that you should binge the first five and then, and then go from there with the rest of the show.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  In your review, your excellent review, you used a C word, which is chore. You described this as a chore, Roxanna.

• 18:53Speaker 05

  I said it sometimes.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  All right.

• 18:58Speaker 05

  Feels a bit like a chore.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  I have one very shallow thing to say, which is that Mark Ruffalo with his little beer belly, running around with his FBI vest on and the gun and the flashlight and stuff. I'm sorry, he has not looked this hunky to me since 13 going on 30. I took a picture of my TV like a boomer, like send it to group chat being like, look at Mark Ruffalo.

• 19:28Speaker 05

  So funny.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  That is funny. That is, there's a pot for every lid.

• 19:33Speaker 05

  He is very paunch forward in this. There's like an exceptional edit where the biker gang is sort of dismissing his involvement and we cut directly to him eating a sub.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  And like a really messy way, the way I eat a slab would just like stuff falling out everywhere.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Okay, people, hoagie, please.

• 19:50Speaker 05

  Oh, excuse me, I'm so sorry. But yeah, those details, that's the cold cut meat of the show.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  There you go. Okay, well, tell us what you think about task. We're on Facebook, we're on Letterboxd, or maybe if you see us down the shore, maybe we can hop on our bikes and grab a hoagie and some water ice. Go Birds. And that brings us to the end of our show. Wayland Wong, Rexana Hadadi, thank you so much for being here.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 20:14Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  This episode was produced by Liz Metzger, Carly Rubin, and Mike Katz, and edited by our showrunner Jessica Reedy, and Hello, Comment provides our theme music. Thanks for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. I'm Glenn Weldon, and we'll see you all next time.