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0:19 Stephen Thompson? We launched Pop Culture Happy Hour 15 years ago this summer. And when each of us began, we had a lot of pent-up hot takes.
0:27 Linda Holmes? So we thought we'd playback some of our earliest moments and see how they've held up since. I'm Linda Holmes.
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2:07 Stephen Thompson? Joining us today are our wonderful co-hosts, Aisha Harris. Hey, Ayesha.
2:11 Linda Holmes? Hello, Stephen.
2:13 Stephen Thompson? It is a pleasure. Also, Glen Weldon. Hey, Glenn.
2:15 Speaker 04 Shut up. Leave me alone. I'll be in my room. See, I'm 15. 15 is the joke there. That's the joke I did just then, seconds ago.
2:22 Stephen Thompson? We are sullen teens.
2:23 Linda Holmes? Love it.
2:24 Stephen Thompson? This is how this episode is going to play out. For each of us, our producer, Liz Metzger, found a piece of tape from our first few months on the show. Then we'll see how that clip has aged. Like, this clip from our very first What's Making Us Happy segment with our pal and founding host, Trey Graham.
2:42 Speaker 05 I'm really just falling in love, seriously, for the first time with Netflix instant streaming.
2:47 Linda Holmes? Ah.
2:48 Speaker 05 I stopped paying for cable a few months ago, and it used to bother me a little bit, but there's so much now on the Netflix that I can just get.
2:58 Linda Holmes? Oh, wow. This is how old this show is.
3:00 Stephen Thompson? Yeah. Netflix, who knew?
3:03 Linda Holmes? People still refer to it as Netflix instant streaming.
3:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:07 Linda Holmes? Because it was somewhat new. Nice.
3:10 Speaker 04 Tech pioneer.
3:11 Stephen Thompson? Who knew that this show would be such a treasure trove of old takes?
3:16 Linda Holmes? We love you, Trey.
3:17 Stephen Thompson? We do love Trey. And hey, he was right about Netflix instant streaming.
3:20 Linda Holmes? Yes, he was.
3:21 Stephen Thompson? Now, Linda Holmes, you and I created Pop Culture Happy Hour in the summer of 2010 while drinking beers in my living room.
3:29 Linda Holmes? True.
3:30 Stephen Thompson? So this clip is from one of our earliest shows, October 2010, to be exact.
3:35 Linda Holmes? I'm not a big horror movie fan. I hear you. I am a scary movie fan, to a degree, but definitely not grisly horror.
3:49 Speaker 04 I mean, has that changed much? You're still into-
3:57 Stephen Thompson? I was gonna say, that feels like that's still somewhat true. You have definitely done a fair bit of work.
4:02 Linda Holmes? Have you bet on Lynda's journey recently? Come on now.
4:07 Linda Holmes? So I think what happened is, you know, a friend of mine recently quoted his wife to me saying, you reach a certain age and your life either gets substantially bigger or substantially smaller. And so it's important to remain open to changing your mind about things and all that stuff. Because this is what I used to say. I used to say, I like a scary movie, but I don't like things that are real gory or bloody. But then I would be like, well, but I like Die Hard. And that's like, very bloody. And then like, I saw John Wick, and I was like, well, I like John Wick, and that's extremely brutal. So what exactly is going on? And I started to, sometimes because of this show, I started to see horror movies that I otherwise probably would not have seen. What I have learned is that this was
4:50 Linda Holmes? not really true. It's not true that I'm not a horror movie person. It's that there are specific subparts of horror that I don't want anything to do with. But I've gotten more and more discerning about what those things are. And it took me a while to refine this until I was saying what I really mean. I don't like incredibly bleak horror where the monsters win. Yeah. So like, there is a subgenre of like, home invasion horror, where gradually just everybody gets killed. That kind of thing, just, I don't want that. But being more open to this idea, and of course, spending a lot of time around, not only you guys, but also a lot of our panelists.
5:30 Stephen Thompson? Jordan Cruciola.
5:31 Linda Holmes? I would specifically shout out Jordan Cruciola.
5:34 Aisha Harris? Yes, yes.
5:35 Linda Holmes? Has really gotten me to think, you know, more deeply about this kind of thing. And now I consider myself to be a horror movie person in many cases. Just sub pieces of it are not my, my speed. But as we tape this, I've done two horror movies this week. And so it's like, I do it now. It's all good. So yeah, I've, I have outgrown this take, I'm happy to say, or at least I have narrowed it down a lot. Because like, yeah, gory, no. But y'all know how much I loved Fight or Flight. And that's an incredibly bloody movie. That is an incredibly bloody movie. So, you know.
6:11 Stephen Thompson? Would you say that what you've experienced isn't necessarily like, I love gory movies so much as like, I've learned to embrace violence?
6:20 Linda Holmes? Yes, exactly. No, it's, I mean,
6:24 Linda Holmes? I have narrowed the lane that I consider not mine. That's what I would say.
6:29 Aisha Harris? Welcome to the dark side, Linda. It is nice over here.
6:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, that counts as growth. Absolutely.
6:34 Stephen Thompson? I mean, there was a time, Linda, when, you know, for a considerable run of this show where kind of by default, I became the host who talked about Evil Dead Rise.
6:44 Linda Holmes? Yeah.
6:45 Stephen Thompson? I've kind of been on a little bit of a similar journey, especially, I think, in part, just kind of tapping into Jordan Crutchyola's incredible enthusiasm for horror.
6:52 Linda Holmes? Yeah, and your daughters.
6:53 Stephen Thompson? And my daughter as well. Dad, have you ever seen a movie called The Human Centipede?
6:58 Linda Holmes? Oh, God.
7:01 Linda Holmes? I agree. I know you did do that. And as you can imagine, this is part of my long term plan to replace you, but, you know.
7:07 Stephen Thompson? I'm leaning more and more into rom coms.
7:09 Linda Holmes? Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
7:10 Stephen Thompson? We're just doing a body switch Freaky Friday stuff.
7:13 Speaker 04 The freakiest Friday.
7:16 Stephen Thompson? All right. Thank you, Linda Holmes. Well, it looks like I'm up next.
7:20 Speaker 04 OK.
7:20 Stephen Thompson? I'm going to go a slightly different direction with my clip, which is from August of 2010, where we're kind of talking about cultural figures who have maybe fallen out of favor with the public.
7:36 Stephen Thompson? Has the public also turned on Jack Black?
7:38 Speaker 04 Yes.
7:38 Stephen Thompson? Who you could argue.
7:39 Linda Holmes? I think very possibly.
7:40 Stephen Thompson? You could argue that Jack Black does the same shtick.
7:43 Linda Holmes? I think if you saw a trailer right now with Jack Black, it's very possible that you would see maybe not as extreme a reaction, but certainly a lot of people who would suddenly be like, oh, no, never mind, I'm out.
7:53 Stephen Thompson? Well, you got in the background, you got Jesse Eisenberg as the thinking man's Michael Sarah, sort of waiting in the wings. I don't think you have anybody like that for Jack Black. I think.
8:00 Speaker 05 Actually, I'm going to nominate Zach Galifianakis for.
8:03 Stephen Thompson? Really? Oh, that's a good point.
8:04 Speaker 04 That's an excellent point, actually.
8:06 Stephen Thompson? If Galifianakis does a string of just obnoxious, annoying movies, I could see the audience turning on that guy.
8:12 Linda Holmes? Oh, yeah. I mean.
8:13 Stephen Thompson? Is Zach Galifianakis the new Robin Williams?
8:15 Linda Holmes? Well, certainly not yet. Certainly not yet.
8:18 Stephen Thompson? Is he tomorrow's Robin Williams?
8:20 Linda Holmes? It's a good question. We'll just have to wait and see.
8:25 Linda Holmes? What a time.
8:26 Speaker 04 All right. Go tiptoeing through that minefield for us, won't you, Stephen?
8:29 Linda Holmes? Well, and I feel like we should clarify, we were talking about the phenomenon of audiences kind of turning on people that they had previously enjoyed.
8:37 Stephen Thompson? I think one of the people we were talking about was M. Night Shyamalan.
8:40 Linda Holmes? Yes.
8:40 Stephen Thompson? And the experience of going to the movies and seeing the trailer for an M. Night Shyamalan movie, and when the name M. Night Shyamalan came up, the audience laughed.
8:49 Speaker 04 Yep.
8:50 Stephen Thompson? And so we were kind of talking at the time about figures who have reached an audience saturation point where the audience is sick of their crap. I decided, well, I think that's where audiences are with Jack Black. And that was based on the extremely chilly, critical and commercial reception to the 2009 movie Year One.
9:10 Speaker 04 Oh, boy.
9:10 Stephen Thompson? That was Jack Black and Michael Cera.
9:12 Linda Holmes? Saw it, hated it.
9:13 Stephen Thompson? And so many people hated it. And it's so interesting in terms of like, what makes this such a bad take, I think, is this idea that the career arc of a movie actor is a simple bell curve, where you become more and more popular until people start to get sick of you, and then you become less and less popular. And that's really not what happens.
9:36 Linda Holmes? Right.
9:36 Stephen Thompson? You know, it's sort of an overly simple take. Jack Black was kind of at that, a little bit of a low ebb in his career, not only with Year One, you know, like he was in like, like that Gulliver's Travels movie.
9:47 Linda Holmes? Gulliver's Travels?
9:48 Stephen Thompson? Yeah, that Gulliver's Travels movie, Gulliver's Travels.
9:53 Stephen Thompson? But like, it seemed like people were tiring of him. But the fact of the matter is, actors tend to get a lot of swings at the pinata.
10:02 Linda Holmes? If they're lucky.
10:02 Stephen Thompson? If they're lucky. And Jack Black was certainly in a position to just kind of keep grinding out movies to the point we're at now, where Jack Black is kind of one of the most bankable stars in Hollywood. You know, he was in the Minecraft movie this year that made, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. So like, the audiences, maybe they needed a little break from Jack Black, but it's, it's very interesting to kind of look at that take as a snapshot of history of like, everybody's tired of Jack Black, when in fact, no, Jack Black made a bad movie or two.
10:31 Linda Holmes? Yeah. Yeah. And then Bernie, the Richard Linklater.
10:33 Aisha Harris? Movie came out not too long after that.
10:36 Stephen Thompson? Which he's very good at.
10:38 Aisha Harris? Sometimes people do get oversaturated on certain performers and it takes time for them to kind of dig themselves out of that hole. Some more than others. And I also think like, to some extent, your observation wasn't unfounded, Stephen. It's just, it was an of the moment take. And of course, now we see he's doing perfectly fine. Great even, perhaps more than he was back then.
11:00 Linda Holmes? Yeah. Well, and I think also, like, if you go back to, a lot of people first noticed him in High Fidelity with John Cusack. And I think if you look at High Fidelity and you look at him in High Fidelity, you don't necessarily look at that and think, I see a long 40 or 50 year career of doing that. You know what I mean? And so I think it took other things. It took him doing like School of Rock, which has a little bit more of a fully rounded person, doing The Holiday, the rom com.
11:31 Stephen Thompson? Doing a lot of voice acting.
11:32 Linda Holmes? Yeah. Doing a lot of voice acting, doing Bernie, doing all this kind of stuff, to kind of get past what the initial kind of thing seemed to be.
11:42 Speaker 04 Right. But this is a still a phenomenon. I mean, we still get glutted on certain performers. I would argue that we are living in kind of the immediate aftermath of a James Corden glut. And he used to be in everything. You look around, I don't see him anywhere. I worry. And I sincerely worry that Pedro Pascal, people love him.
12:01 Aisha Harris? I'm wondering that too.
12:03 Speaker 04 We are reaching a saturation point.
12:05 Linda Holmes? Well, you're already getting the jokes about how he's in everything, which are often the precursor to the complaints that he's in everything.
12:12 Stephen Thompson? Well, and like so many cultural phenomena, you can't discount the awesome power of coincidence.
12:17 Linda Holmes? Right.
12:17 Stephen Thompson? These people probably made this glut of films over the course of a number of years. And then because of a variety of factors, they all kind of came out at the same time, where you suddenly find yourself juggling four James Corden projects and then he's gone for five years. It's not even necessarily part of James Corden saying, I need to go away for a while. It's just that all those films happened to come out at the same time.
12:39 Linda Holmes? Right. And I would also note, by the way, in passing, that one of the people that Glenn mentioned during that.
12:44 Aisha Harris? Conversation was Jesse Eisenberg. And I think the same thing in some ways happened with Jesse Eisenberg, which is he started doing some different kinds of things, which helped to kind of get over that hump of people being like, I've seen this guy, I've seen what this guy does. And now you get him in stuff like Real Pain and, you know, those kinds of things that are not quite doing the social network thing that I think for a while was the whole kind of picture of him.
13:10 Stephen Thompson? And Zach Galifianakis is in the Lilo and Stitch remake.
13:13 Aisha Harris? Yes, he was.
13:15 Linda Holmes? Good for Zach Galifianakis.
13:17 Stephen Thompson? All right, well, that was not my hottest take. Aisha Harris. Now, Aisha, you started appearing on Pop Culture Happy Hour in 2016. You became a full-time Pop Culture Happy Hour host in 2020. We thought we would split the difference and play a clip from April of 2018.
13:38 Aisha Harris? Maybe I'm being hyperbolic here, but I feel like to some extent, it is, there is no precedent for Beyonce and how much she continues to just keep getting better and better this late in her career and still stay relevant. Obviously, there have been other artists before her who, you know, still turned out great performances in their later careers, still.
14:01 Stephen Thompson? She's 36.
14:03 Aisha Harris? Yeah, but she's been, she's been around for 20 years now.
14:06 Stephen Thompson? I know, I know.
14:07 Aisha Harris? Destiny Child's first album came out in 97, I think. So she's been around for 20 years.
14:13 Linda Holmes? It's true.
14:17 Aisha Harris? She has. Now it's almost 30.
14:19 Stephen Thompson? I don't see a hot take there. I see a pretty cold take.
14:21 Linda Holmes? I'm glad, I'm glad to know we're marking seven years of giving Aisha a hard time about being young and us being old.
14:30 Aisha Harris? I don't know if this is so much a hot take, as it's just a very on-brand for me take. I agree that Beyonce kept getting better. Renaissance might be her. Like, if I were to put homecoming, so to be clear, we were talking about homecoming. Amazing Coachella performance that had to get, originally had to be postponed because she got pregnant and then she turned it out and she, it's one of the greatest things ever. Committed to video. So she did that. She did Renaissance. I will say Calypso Carter.
14:58 Stephen Thompson? Really?
14:58 Aisha Harris? Calypso Carter is probably one of my least favorite things that Beyonce has ever done as a whole. There's some bobs, but I don't think it's firing all cylinders, but act three is coming as of this moment. There are rumors it could be a rock album. I stand by this take. I still think she has surpassed most pop stars in her ability to absolutely continue to sort of, if not completely reinvent herself, at least reimagine and like, she still seems to care. She hasn't checked out and I think it's so easy for that to happen and so easy for especially women, unfortunately, to quote unquote, age out of being a pop star. Madonna has successfully done it, but so few others have been able to do that.
15:42 Aisha Harris? And Beyonce, I'm still always looking forward to what she's doing, even if Calypso Carter was not my thing.
15:48 Stephen Thompson? I do think it's interesting that you bring up the example of Madonna as somebody who has done it successfully, because I do feel like Madonna did hit a point where she stopped trying to one up herself.
15:59 Aisha Harris? Yes.
16:00 Stephen Thompson? Like she managed to continue churning out records that were successful, but it wasn't necessarily like upping the ante on some, on the stuff that came before. And I do think Beyonce, you know, did kind of reach a point where like, how do you get bigger than homecoming? How do you get bigger than like bringing in all these marching bands from HBCUs and doing this career retrospective? That is this incredibly dynamic live performance. Like now she seems to be in kind of her genre exercise phase.
16:29 Aisha Harris? Yeah.
16:29 Stephen Thompson? And in some ways, it does still feel like she's able to one up herself. She did win album of the year at the Grammys this year. But like, there is this question of when do you stop trying to one up yourself? Because there does come a point at which it's basically impossible.
16:44 Aisha Harris? Yeah. Yeah. I also think, you know, Beyonce is not the type of person who would ever not try to one up herself. She's just like. She's just way too tryhard for that and she owes it.
16:56 Linda Holmes? She also seems to be a person who's very tolerant of the experience of being spectacularly famous, which not everybody is. Some people, I think, genuinely tire of a certain level of attention after a certain period of time and you see a little bit of pulling back from them. And she seems to have a very high tolerance for being one of the most famous people in the world, one of the most scrutinized people in the world. She seems to have found a way to kind of, I mean, I think she achieves a lot of privacy for the amount of, you know, fame that she has.
17:33 Aisha Harris? A billion dollars will get you that kind of privacy.
17:36 Linda Holmes? Exactly. That's what I mean is I think she's figured out a way to leverage her money into a life that is manageable for her.
17:44 Aisha Harris? Yeah.
17:44 Linda Holmes? That prevents her from being like, I can't do this anymore, which for some people, I think is one of the reasons why they may eventually pull back a little bit.
17:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, so let's see. Lynda, your clip showed you evolving, I would say, in your tastes. Stephen, you were wrong, but that's just a kind of, as you say, it's kind of a dice roll because it's a snapshot of a time, right? And I should, on brand, but I think you'd agree that your take has nuanced because of timing, because of the different stuff that she's put out. And so that's interesting. I wonder if any of these takes.
18:20 Stephen Thompson? I wonder if Glenn, you were setting up some sort of segue to your claim.
18:23 Speaker 04 I wonder if any of these takes are going to prove to be absolutely right then and now.
18:30 Speaker 04 All right, I'm not going to argue that building a costume with your parents is not a great memory, but all y'all are not seeing this from the kid's perspective. You're seeing this through the scrim of adulthood and look at all these wonderful memories that we're not building. Doey eyed, yeah. This may be true for other costumes, but for a superhero costume, it is not about dressing as Iron Man, it is about being Iron Man. And every inch, every nanosecond, you get away from that perfect ideal is a little death. So what needs to happen is for it to be. Okay, Anne Rann. No, no, no, no, no. What has to happen is you have to get as close as possible. So when I'm six years old, I go to my mom and I say, Batman, gonna be about Batman this year. And she says to me, well, we'll take your brother's old gray sweatpants and his gray sweatshirt and we'll
19:15 Speaker 04 magic mark her a bat on your chest. I said, we'll do what now? Excuse me?
19:25 Speaker 04 Here's the thing, I am still right. I still would not have seeded the ground that I did at the top of that clip where I said, oh, building a costumes with your parents is a great memory. I don't believe that now. I didn't believe that then.
19:36 Linda Holmes? Sorry, what was the context? So the topic here was Halloween and Halloween costumes. And Glenn took the position that if your kid wants to be Iron Man, you just go to CVS and you buy him the little thing that has like the plastic cape and the little plastic mask with the thing because
19:54 Speaker 04 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what I was talking about.
19:56 Linda Holmes? Because there was a Target ad at the time that showed a mom making an Iron Man costume for her kid out of like, you know, little push lights and all kinds of things that she had bought. And she put together homemade Iron Man costume. And I took the position that the homemade Iron Man costume was more Made with love.
20:17 Speaker 04 Soulful.
20:17 Linda Holmes? Meaningful and soulful. Glenn took the position that the chat GPT of Halloween costumes was the way to go in order to satisfy your child.
20:28 Speaker 04 Okay, Aisha, what you missed there before that clip, there was a conversation where all three of my fellow hosts were just dewy eyed is the right is the right word. They were all, I'm gonna say it, bumfuzzled, bumfuzzled, I say, by the scrim of nostalgia, where they were just talking about, oh, and when I see a little person up to my door and it's clear that it was homemade, it's made with love. And that's, that's wrong then, it's wrong now. That story about Batman was true. And because I rejected my mom's offer, I probably not kindly, we went to Woolworths and we bought what Linda is talking about, which was a Ben Cooper Batman costume. Now, if you're too young to remember, Ben Cooper costumes were basically vinyl smocks. They were terrible. And the masks had a little slit where your
21:13 Speaker 04 mouth was and you couldn't help but your tongue against it. And on the chest, the word Batman on the mask, they had the word Batman, which is not how he rolls. But it was so much closer to the target, closer to the bone than its sweatshirt. I would be able to look in the mirror and my imagination would be able to bridge the gap between what I saw in the mirror and Batman. And today, it's I'm even more right now because maybe not at a CBS, maybe not at a Spirit Halloween store that used to be a Radio Shack, but online, there is a thriving cosplay cottage industry.
21:44 Aisha Harris? Etsy, Etsy's big for that.
21:46 Speaker 04 They get it down. They are exacting. And again, I think I grew up in the wrong time. I mean, I envy these kids today.
21:52 Aisha Harris? Although those costumes are like 100 times more expensive than they were back then.
21:56 Speaker 04 Commit to the bit, I say.
21:57 Linda Holmes? My mother made me a Florence Nightingale costume with a blue dress and an apron with a red cross on it. My mother made me a fairy costume. And my mother made my dress for the bicentennial in 1976, when I was a little teeny thing. She made my little thing with the puffy sleeves and the little hat, the little like white puffy hat. So, listen.
22:19 Aisha Harris? I feel like we need to share these photos. I want to see these photos.
22:23 Speaker 04 But Linda, if you wanted to go as Iron Man, she couldn't source the Kevlar. You know, there's no place she could get that kind of stuff.
22:29 Aisha Harris? Yeah. My family split the difference. We didn't, well, my parents were not making me costumes and we did not have Spirit Halloween or Woolworths. But Party City was where we got all of our costumes. I agree with your take, Glenn. I'm with you. If I had been on that episode, which I was not, I would have absolutely been on your side. I'm sorry. I'm not dewy-eyed about this.
22:50 Speaker 04 Exactly.
22:50 Linda Holmes? They don't have Florence Nightingale costumes at Party City.
22:53 Aisha Harris? They did have nurse costumes, for sure.
22:56 Linda Holmes? Not a generic nurse, Ayesha. I was Florence Nightingale.
23:00 Speaker 04 I don't think Florence Nightingale is copyrighted. I don't think they have to say war nurse.
23:05 Linda Holmes? I was Florence Nightingale TM.
23:07 Stephen Thompson? I'm sure Glenn, you would agree. You were right then. You're right now.
23:10 Speaker 04 Uh huh. There we go.
23:11 Aisha Harris? Yes. You're here.
23:13 Speaker 04 And you're right now. Right there. How about that?
23:15 Stephen Thompson? All right. Well, we want to know your early pop culture happy hour memories. We want to know your early hot takes. Find us at facebook.com slash PCHH. That brings us to the end of our show. Aisha Harris, Linda Holmes, Glen Weldon. Thanks so much for being here.
23:30 Speaker 04 Thank you. Happy anniversary.
23:31 Aisha Harris? See you in 15 more years, hopefully.
23:34 Linda Holmes? He insulted my mother, but that's okay.
23:38 Stephen Thompson? And just a reminder that signing up for Pop Culture Happy Hour Plus is a great way to support our show and public radio, and you get to listen to all of our episodes sponsor-free. So please go find out more at plus.npr.org/happyhour, or visit the link in our show notes. This episode was produced by Liz Metzger and Mike Katzif, and edited by our showrunner, Jessica Reedy. Hello, Come In provides our theme music. Thank you for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. I'm Stephen Thompson, and we will see you all next time.
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