INSANE Examples of Tech Invading Our Lives | Kevin Clancy

Kevin Clancy, better known as KFC, is one of the original voices of Barstool Sports and former host of KFC Radio. In this conversation, we break down how technology and AI are quietly reshaping everyday life — from self-driving cars, surveillance camera, Neuralink, humanoid robots, and AI catching medical mistakes doctors missed. We also get into the affordability crisis facing younger generations, the wild early days of Barstool, and why scarce assets like bitcoin and gold still matter in a world of abundance. ======================= This episode is brought to you by TikTok for Business. If you run a company, your next wave of customers may already be on TikTok. With more than 200 million monthly active users in the U. S. and 51% unique reach, TikTok gives brands access to audiences they can't reach anywhere else. Learn how to turn that reach into growth at TikTok for Business ( https://anthonypompliano.splashthat.com/ ) ======================= Bitget is the world's largest Universal Exchange (UEX), serving over 125 million users with access to over 2M+ crypto tokens, and TradFi markets. Bitget’s Stocks 2.0 brings 500 major equities and ETFs (like Tesla and NVIDIA) directly to your portfolio. Enjoy 1:1 mapping, deep liquidity, and USDT dividend payouts with ultra-low 0.04% fees. Upgrade your portfolio on Bitget.com https://www.bitget.com/ today! ======================= Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading. ======================= 0:00 - Intro0:59 - Waymo "arrests" teens: the self-driving surveillance case5:03 - Flock cameras, Ring cameras & the rise of constant surveillance12:07 - Youth sports & the money behind it19:10 - Body cams, cop shootings & the truth technology reveals23:49 - The affordability crisis: housing, salaries & the American dream33:56 - Kevin's path from Deloitte to Barstool36:50 - Algorithms, authenticity & the death of discovery in podcasting45:00 - AI catching what doctors missed & the rise of humanoid robots53:08 - Neuralink, brain implants & joining the hive mind1:00:46 - Psychedelics, ignorance as bliss & wanting to unplug1:04:21 - The 2022 crash & envying the simple life1:08:16 - Barstool's origin story1:14:42 - Private equity, scarcity & the bitcoin "crazy uncle portfolio"

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  My big problem with all these things is there's always going to be extreme examples where this is a great thing. Like I said, if that Waymo stopped a school shooting, amazing.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  We, the Waymo would be the hero.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Amazing. But are we gonna like, that's the 0.01% of life and the other 99% is now going to be surveilled and I just don't like that.

• 1:21Speaker 03

  What's going on guys? Today we got a great conversation with Kevin Clancy, better known as KFC from Barstool. In this conversation, we are going to go deep into what the heck is going on with all this new technology and how it is going to impact your lives. And we get super weird. We talk about Waymo and how it may have helped get some kids arrested. We also talk about flock cameras, Ring cameras, and how everywhere we see cameras infiltrating our lives and what the impact is. And then we get into some of the really weird technology that is starting to be used on daily basis. I think you will find it fascinating that both he and I have very unique thoughts on how this technology, what's good about it, what's bad about it, and how it is going to possibly negatively affect you. All that and much more in this conversation with KFC. All right, KFC, you were here to help me understand one thing, which is the every

• 2:03Speaker 03

  man experience with technology is about to get very fucking weird.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  But one of the only things I can help explain to people is the every man experience because that's just what I am.

• 2:10Speaker 03

  That's just what you are. All right. Let's talk first about a Waymo. So everyone's really excited about self-driving cars, but there's a story recently that there's two 15-year-old boys out in California. They were driving around in the Waymo or being driven in the Waymo and they had like a paintball gun essentially and they were drinking. So underage drinking and they were shooting people out of the windows.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Drinking in guns, America, baby. I don't see. So where is the problem? What's the story?

• 2:35Speaker 03

  They didn't see a problem, obviously. Long story short is that Waymo allegedly only realized this because it was unique experiences through their cameras inside the vehicle. They realized that these kids were shooting the paintballs out of the car. They called the police. They disabled the vehicle. They tricked the kids and told them they were having some car trouble. Just stay in the car. And then the cops show up and get them in trouble. I think they got arrested or whatever.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Self-driving cars sound awesome. Getting essentially kidnapped by the car.

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  By Waymo.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Even if they're waiting for the cops, that sounds like this is going to get really weird.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm not one of the, I'm not one of these like doomsday conspiracy guys when it comes to, to technology more often than not, just being in the space I'm in. Like I find technology, technological advances to be a good thing. And then the tinfoil hat people start to go crazy. And a lot of times I'm like, all right, relax. But when you start to see like, oh, I'm starting to see how this could be an issue. Like, you know, in a case like this, like if that was a real gun, probably be a good thing, right? We'd be saying like, wow, Waymo stopped these kids from.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  They stopped an active shooter.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Right, right. And it's not, it's like, I understand where the confusion could have happened in this specific instance, but you know, the old slippery slope sort of thing, like where do you draw the line? If you are, somebody is, you know, on the phone, like screaming at someone in the back of a Waymo, can they decide that that person's dangerous? Or I don't know, you have some drugs on you or whatever. What's supposed to be in a private moment, if Waymo is just watching and probably watching like, who can we call the cops on, you know?

• 4:03Speaker 03

  Is it weirder that they have cameras that they're watching? Cause they, they claim that they don't watch the cameras all the time, which I find that very hard to believe, but that's what they claim.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Is that the weirder part? Or is it weirder that they like disabled the car and like were able to essentially like keep the kids there?

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Well, I feel like you can't like really have one without the other. It's like they both feed each other. It's, if the Waymo like locked you in the car, that would be crazy.

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  I mean.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  It sounds like they kind of just tricked two dumb kids into thinking there was car trouble.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  But maybe they did lock them and they just don't want to say it.

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  Yeah.

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  Like, we don't know.

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  Fucking nuts.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  So like, would that change your view of this? And you'd be like, all right, that was too far if they locked them in the car?

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, because, all right. So like I have a gun on me in this car and the.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Real gun?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Who knows? We don't, we don't know, right? But I don't know. What if it was because I, it was a self-defense, I'm, I'm going to save my kids who are, and I have my gun and you lock me in the car. And I like, you know what I mean? Like.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  In California, that's still illegal.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Like all of these are obviously extreme scenarios, but yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  But also two 15-year-old kids drinking and shooting paintball guns is an extreme scenario, right?

• 5:06Speaker 02

  This is a good point. Yeah.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing too. It's like, am I, am I really too bent out of shape that two 15-year-old kids who were shooting people drunk, you know?

• 5:15Speaker 03

  Shooting paintballs.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shooting at, but also, you know, you don't, I see some kid driving by with a painted black gun out the door. I'm not thinking, oh, that's probably an Orbeez that he's shooting at me. So, you know, if you're two kids who are about to go wreak havoc, I'm not going to cry for you. But when you start to play out all the other scenarios where a car might surveil you, stalk you, spy on you and lock you in a car or call the authorities, like, so now some security or operations person at Waymo is like judge, jury and executioner on your behavior.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  It's kind of crazy, right?

• 5:46Speaker 02

  That's a little crazy.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  It also takes the joy out of childhood a little bit too, right?

• 5:48Speaker 02

  If you, if you feel like at any given moment, like, well, maybe it makes it more fun.

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  I don't know.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  We might get caught by the Waymo surveillance cameras. We might be getting watched by the satellites in the space. Like how are we going to get away with this? But yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a lot harder to get away with anything.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  It's funny you say that because obviously flock, I don't, for this, I don't know flock is like this whole camera system that they put up in residential areas usually. They have license plate readers, all this stuff. I saw, um, who's the guy, Adam, he like jump?

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Adam, Adam 22, no jumper.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that guy, right? Um, he had on, I'm pretty sure they were like the two ringleaders of like some sort of San Francisco or California-based like criminal enterprise. And they were talking on a podcast with their real faces visible.

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  Yeah.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  Saying we can't steal cars anymore because of flock. And I was like, wait, what? And I just saw a clip online and they were basically saying that because the license plate readers, it's very easy, but the cops also have drones now. So they were like, yeah, if we steal a car, they just shoot the drones up in the air. They start tracking us.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Wherever you go.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Then they got the license plate reader and the cameras. So like, hearing the people who are openly admitting, like we used to steal cars, we can't do that anymore because of this technology, positive development.

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  Yeah.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Same time is there's a lot of people who are fighting all the flock installations and being like, what do you mean? I just was like driving down the street and you're just videotaping me for no reason.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Right. I mean, the, the story I saw with flock was a, an Amazon package was stolen off of someone's front porch.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  That was, first of all, we knew that because of a Ring camera, because there's just constantly surveillance.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Oh, the Ring camera caught somebody stealing it.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  And then that was like, we need to identify who that person is. Now they went to someone in that neighborhood who did look extremely like this girl. So I could understand why it was like a suspect, but the only evidence they had, they came back to her with a, you know, folder paper that said, you were in this town from 11:52 to 12:09 and that's exactly when this crime happened. You did it. And that, I mean, that was.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  Oh, because what they did is they took the Ring camera, knew it was a woman who kind of sort of looked like this.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  In this area.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  And then they had the license plate reader or something. And so they put together these two pieces of data and they went to her and said, you stole the package.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  And, and she was, they were like, why else would you be there? And she was like, I drive to work there. That's my route to go to and from work. You will catch me there like all the time. And then she had her own video evidence showing that her car was actually in this town and it was a picture of, you know, other evidence that they just would not look at because it sounded to me like they were excited almost to be like, we used our new system and we got you. And.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  So she used some type of surveillance or another flock?

• 8:28Speaker 02

  AI surveillance versus surveillance. And she did eventually get off, but she had to like, I think she had to go to court. She had to do all this nonsense and it was all over some petty theft, but you know, what if it's not? What if, what if she matched the description of a, of a hit and run or a murder or something crazy?

• 8:42Speaker 03

  I'm surprised Bezos hasn't invented like a unstealable package.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Like, like locks to the ground somehow, like extra gravity from space.

• 8:51Speaker 03

  Like, or you know how like, uh, when people rob a bank in the movies, like there's like the ink, the ink powder. Like if you steal an Amazon package, there should be powder that comes out of the box.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Isn't it Amazon's policy? Like if, if, if it does get stolen or break, they just like, whatever, we'll send you a new one. Right?

• 9:07Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  It's like an insane amount of like. We'll just accept that.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  We print so much money. We want to make you happy.

• 9:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  It is.

• 9:14Speaker 03

  They they will do it on um uh it's happened if I get like Uber delivery to our office building. You know, every I don't know, one out of every hundred times the food delivery guy say, I'm not gonna figure out where to put it. He just puts it outside on the freaking sidewalk in New York City. Like dude, what do you think's gonna happen? By the second that you know, they upload the photo, right? And you're like, oh, man. You get down there, it's over, right? And so then you like message the Uber guy and you're like, someone stole it. And they're like, send evidence.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Like. It's not here. I'm hungry. That's the evidence. I'm still hungry, jerk.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  I don't have it. And I'm like, look, he put it on the sidewalk in New York City. What do you think happened to it? You think I got it? Um, all right. So like, but do you worry about?

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Though, I think flock. I just like caught that news story and I started to see a bubbling. I think that's gonna be the next, especially because it's got a name like we're gonna it's gonna be flock cameras. And there's gonna be people who are pissed about that. There I I think.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Is it different than ring cameras like ring ring? I think people maybe they understand the residential use case for it.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  You choose. You put up your own ring. Like, I don't have a ring camera because I I think it's a little bit weird. Or I also a ring camera outside home protection. Fine. It's like the people who have like Nest cameras in all their rooms, their houses. And it's like, I don't know, man, I want to like pick my nose in my living room and not worry about someone looking at it, you know?

• 10:30Speaker 03

  When you're like. When your kid was younger, did you guys have a camera watching the kid?

• 10:36Speaker 02

  For like the yeah, in the nursery. Yeah.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like that, like that's the other thing, though, is I've seen stories where those can get hacked pretty easily.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  Now, I don't know what you do. I don't know what you do with like a camera feed of like an infant sleeping.

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  Yeah.

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  You know?

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  Creepy.

• 10:50Speaker 03

  But it's weird, right? Like, if you're a parent, you're like, wait a minute, hold on a second here, like.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  If you're if you're putting any sort of like device, smart something or other. You're you're gonna always be susceptible to that. I don't know if this is true, but I was I I heard that after the holiday with the seventy eight degrees with Mom Donnie. That um somebody was saying that if you have like a smart thermostat, they can just lock you at that. Like, they can go in there and be like, we're making it seventy eight so that we don't lose any power. And you have to know how to kind of like circumvent it and hack it and get in there. Because they and I don't know if that's true.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Jailbreak your thermostat.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what it sounded like you need to do. And like.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  You know, there's some fourteen year old kid on Craigslist, right? I will jailbreak your thermostat for a hundred dollars.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And I'll and I'll gladly pay for you, bro. And I ain't doing seventy eight degrees.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Two hundred if you could be here in a half hour.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and like and like extra hack it so it can go down to like forty one. Well, I live in a freezer, man.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Yes, I it is weird, though, like uh uh I think it's maybe a good heuristic of like if you put the ring on yourself and your own property, that's one thing. But if you then go in your neighborhood and somebody else got to decide that the camera is there.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  Your your homeowners association or.

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  Yeah.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Like a mayor, a local, whatever. And they're just like, we're gonna be watching you always. And it's like, my my big problem with all these things is there's always going to be extreme examples where this is a great thing. Like I said, if that Waymo stopped a school shooting.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Amazing. We the Waymo would be the hero.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  Amazing. But are we gonna like, that's the point oh one percent of life and the other ninety nine nine is now gonna be surveilled. And I just don't like that. I always think this technology, though, I think it from major things like this down to like umpires in baseball with the with the challenge. Like, I don't like it. My generation feels like it's robotic and we need an umpire and the human element. And you know, when they're overturning calls that are microscopic, I don't like that. We're like the only generation in history that's we're gonna die out and the new people who have grown up with it this way are not gonna.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're just gonna have to automate it.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, cameras follow you when you drive through your neighborhood. Don't do anything stupid. Uh, cameras watch you at home. Don't, you know, scratch your balls like. I I think they're just gonna grow up with that as standards, so I don't think there'll be much outrage, um long outrage. I think will be, you know, a period of outrage for people like us who are dinosaurs and the rest of people. It's just the way the world goes.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Before we move on, we talk about umpires. Let's give your boy a shout out. The uh the baseball umpire on Instagram is electric. You what what is this? Yeah, what is this thing?

• 13:18Speaker 02

  Free sit down, dude. So this is this is a uh uh.

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  We'll we'll put his uh handle on the screen.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  He's truly one of my favorite followers in a long time. He's a umpire for local beer leagues and little league. But he calls out how ridiculous the kids are and the how much money they spend and how they act. So he'll like play a little clip and then it cuts back to him and he just goes, free. Sit down, kid. And it is so good every time because now that I'm doing some youth sports stuff myself. These there are just times you want to like the parents or a little kid, you just want to wring their neck. Sit down.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  He's like, uh, sir, your son did not uh strike out because I'm bad at my job. He just has fourteen hundred dollars worth of gear and he can't hit a baseball.

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  That's, yo, man, we like, you want to talk about business, the business of youth sports?

• 14:03Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Insane. And it's almost become cliche. If you if you consume a lot of that youth sports content, it's like we're all saying it, so it's not a novel concept, but it is goddamn true. I mean, the amount of money.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Like, what do you spend money on for it?

• 14:16Speaker 02

  My god. So like, you know what the craziest is? Dance for my daughter.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Dance?

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Dance is like ten grand. It's nuts.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  What?

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Because they gotta they gotta pay for like they're in these competitions. Now, my daughter does a lot of dance, so she's in like seven different things. So it's a lot, but. Tip to tap ballet hippos. Oh, I'm like, just pick one dance and do it. But uh they they need to rent out like these like arenas and theaters for the competitions and that costs money. And they all have to have the costumes and then they're also putting it in their fat pockets.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  So there's that uh.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  You know, you know, you know, you know how you know sports, uh youth sports is making money is private equity is involved.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  Private equity.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Sniffs you out.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  If they say, hey, this is a good spot for us to be in, that means that money has ended up in someone's pocket and they want a piece of it.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  And we know they're gonna ruin it even more like they ruin everything else in the world, private equity, god damn it. But uh, you know, even soccer.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  What about what about uh these sporting events? Are the parents like recording everything and editing and like?

• 15:10Speaker 02

  God, yeah, oh, my god. Everyone is now a videographer. Everyone is, you know.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  For like fun on Instagram or like my kid's gonna go play college sports?

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Um, both, but the the delusion, the amount of like, you know, if your kid playing even like high school varsity in any of these sports is probably pretty slim. It is infinitesimal that you're gonna play college and it is a zero percent chance you're gonna play pro. And everybody out there just, I guess, thinks like I never even.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  They're the one.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  Once considered it. I was like, I will. I just hope my kids are on the team at high school and like or in sports is a fun thing in their life. I've never even considered college, thinking your kid's gonna go pro. You better have like a superstar. But yeah, these people are constantly filming, the the arguing, the fighting. It is so embarrassing. And I know, again, it's nothing new. You'll see a million pieces of content out there every day. But I just could never fathom being a person at a game with like seven year olds. And you're cursing and screaming and picking fights and like, because it's not the kids. It the kids are fine. I mean, the kids are a little bit like spoiled. They do have too much gear, that shit. But for the most part, the kids just want to like play ball.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  And it's the parents and the coaches and they're the real problems, you know? Even when we make fun of people or uh when the whole participation trophy angle was a big thing. The kids are not the ones giving out the participation trophies. That was the parents. That was that generation. So when people like kids are soft these days, they want participation trophies like they didn't decide to give those out. They just showed up to the field. You guys gave them. So I I I think, you know, kids are always pretty innocent until the technology, the parents, the world gets into them. And then they everyone's part of the problem. But yeah, it is. My my thing about soccer, the whole reason soccer even is the thing, the juggernaut that it is, is because you need a ball. And like some sort of square to kick it into and the poorest kids in the world could play it. And now it's like two grand to play travel soccer.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  What could that pop? Where where's that money going? Where's that money going?

• 17:04Speaker 03

  We need a ball. No, you need orange slices, that has to.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  And you know, yeah, if you if if that came with like cleats and everything you need, but I don't think it does. I think it comes with a ticket to play at your crappy field and I just put two grand in my pocket. Because why? Because people will pay.

• 17:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  You know? I I I have a dream of like starting my own little league league. And like the first rule is gonna be no bat can be over ninety nine dollars. If I see the bat is five, there are five hundred dollar bats for kids who are seven years old. And are like holding the bat. They don't even know how to hold it.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  Five hundred dollars?

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Yes, like the the the big bat will be like four hundred ninety nine dollars. And so so no, no bats uh and no other equipment. You can't have a sliding mid. You can't wear jewelry. You can't just show up. I used to have like a hunk of metal. And like, you know, a helmet that probably wouldn't have even worked if I got hit in the head. And that was it. Like, that's how we played. So, yeah, it's gotten absolutely out of.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  You know, at a store we all probably grew up on that uh I don't even know if it exists anymore, but like young kids probably have no clue about is played against sports.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 18:08Speaker 03

  Just to go in there.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  That's just trig. I I didn't know what you were gonna say there. Played against sports.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Right? And it was just like, yes, you'd go and you'd buy something that somebody else had already used. And it was awesome because your parents would let you get extra shit because it was cheaper than if you went to, you know, whatever.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  There is an app. I can't remember the name, but one of the one of the other baseball dads once was like, don't spend the five hundred bucks. You can get it for like a hundred over here, a little bit used. So there is some app that I think is pretty successful, but. It's just like the whole world is just if I can make money off of you, I will. And I think there used to be a little, it's always that way, especially in capitalism in America, but I feel like there used to be some discretion.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  The other thing about youth sports that I think is gonna be fascinating is uh have you seen these apps where they're using AI to like track the kids on the field yet?

• 18:50Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  So like what they'll do, it's like, let's say you're a college football, you know, coach, you're watching game tape of your own players, right? What they're starting to do now is they'll say like, okay, almost like a video game, you had to get the circle around the like the the feet of the video game player.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Follows.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  And it'll like follow, right?

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Very cool.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  But now it's coming into youth sports. I've seen multiple people that have young kids who are posting on Instagram. And they're like, here's my kid like playing soccer or playing football or whatever. And it's following where they are. So one, it does help visually to see where they are.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  But it's also measuring like how fast they're running.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what I mean? What was my kid's top speed of the game?

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Like, uh, okay. I remember going to college. I played football in college and I remember the coach used to say they would measure how many steps for every five yards. If you took two steps in the five yards, that meant you ran at least a four six or four six or faster.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  We'll just extrapolate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 03

  I have no clue if that's actually true or not, but that's what they used to say. So like now they have like technology.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  But at least that's college. We're talking, you're tracking your like seven year old running on the soccer field.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Like dude, top speed, top speed.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  I mean, it is a weird thing because I, I fall, I fall victim to it also. It's like,

• 19:57Speaker 02

  if my kid hits a home run or does something cool or my girl's on stage dancing solo, like I want to film that and I, and, and we use social media to like show our lives, but inherently it's also like, who gives a shit about your kid, dude? Like, I don't want to watch that, you know?

• 20:10Speaker 03

  You, you know, one of the things about the surveillance though, that has, uh, I think been, uh, put some people's, uh, brain in a blender is, take like a cop body cams. So if I remember correctly, the body cams were actually instituted because it was like the cops are beating people up. The cops are planting things. The cops are X, Y, Z thing. The cops are bad and this. I think that the body cams have done more to help the cops.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  A lot of people are like, well, that guy was being an asshole.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  Like that guy was violent or dangerous or whatever. Just like what you're saying is not true. The cop did not plant that. Like the cop opened your bag and you had drugs.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  It's true, man. I mean, it can help. It's like, if you are a, a good cop, yeah, you should, you should want the body cam, not only because you're not doing anything wrong, but you're going to prove, and you're going to show, sometimes I see those and I, I have more respect for, I'm like, damn, like that was, that was confrontational. That was dangerous. That was probably scary. And it was just like a traffic stop and it wasn't anything crazy. But yeah, there are definitely times I see that footage and it makes me, it's probably having the opposite effect of what the people who posted think it's gonna be.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Did you see the, uh, cop who shot the guy with the, uh, sword in the subway a couple of weeks ago? Oh dude, this, this like, this one really was crazy.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  That's not the most like New York.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  So.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  No, the guy in the subway with the sword in the subway, he got shot by the cops.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  So like, I think what happened is this guy, he had like slashed two people or something. And so he's in the subway. It's at Grand Central. And, uh, the body cam footage I saw is the cops got his gun out and he's basically like, put the sword down, man. Put the sword down. And he's like, obviously like, it's getting like more and more ratcheted up. And there's like, people in the background who are like, oh shit, there's a cop with a gun and a guy with a sword. Like I'm getting out of here, right? And the cop is like, come on, man. Put the gun or put the sword down, put the sword down. And at some point he says something to the effect of, put the sword down. I don't want to shoot you. I don't want it like, and you can just tell he is in his brain preparing himself.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have to shoot this guy.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Yes. And, and he's walking towards him with the sword. And he's, by the way, he's yelling like, shoot me or you know, whatever, right? And he's like essentially begging the guy, don't make me shoot you. I do not, I did not come to work today with like, let's go shoot somebody, right? But you're like, I don't know, man. That guy's got a sword who, if I remember correctly, he's already slashed two people and he is moving towards you like,

• 22:21Speaker 02

  what else are you supposed to do?

• 22:22Speaker 03

  It's as open and close as possible. You don't try to disarm them.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Right? And so you're like, watch this. And again, people will be like, oh, you should have shot him in the leg or this or whatever nonsense.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  But I, I feel like they always say like, if you're gonna shoot, if you're gonna fire it, like you gotta make it count. So, and it's like, we don't know. Well, you know, people act like they know all the rules of engagement for when you're in, you know?

• 22:40Speaker 03

  All, all I know is that when you, I watched it, my personal reaction was this cop, everything he did was against his own, like what he wanted to do, right? But that body cam, it made me feel sorry for the police officer who was like, this is my job. I'm here, like think of it to me as the police officer with training and all this stuff. Then like some random dude who's gotta like disarm a guy with a sword, right? But also you're like, what are you, you know, what would you do in that situation? And so like the technology in a weird way, it actually like, gave tons of context to what would have other, just been a headline, like cops shoot guy with swords.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  She, she said like, you have no idea. Yeah. I mean, I, I always think about like the, the one bad apple type argument, but it's like, yeah, the vast majority of these guys are going to work like, thinking, uh, you know, I might pull somebody over for a ticket and all of a sudden you're involved in a subway sword fight. What? But that's also why I would just never be a cop. It's a crazy job. Who makes that?

• 23:36Speaker 03

  And, uh, and the other thing is, do you know when you turn on the body cams, that it goes back like 30 or 60 seconds? So if you're a cop and let's say, uh, cause you can turn them on, right? But it's always like kind of recording, I believe. And so when you hit it.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Off, it's capturing.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  But I guess it's like auto deleting or something, right? But like, let's say that, uh, you come up on a scene. So you hit it. And I think you're supposed to like hit it when you get out of the car. There's like all these rules. But it goes back 60 seconds and it starts the like saving the recording from that. So I saw one time a video of a guy who 100% planted drugs. Like threw it in the grass and then picked it up. It was like, I found it.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  And then turned it on and it caught that. Oh.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  But then it was like, no dude, like you forgot that it has a 60 second delay or whatever. And they're like, uh, you're gonna get in trouble for this. But again, it goes back to like, having the body cam was actually a positive thing for this guy who was like, no dude, he planted the drugs.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, that, that I feel like body cams should just be on, why has he been an on and off option?

• 24:36Speaker 03

  I don't know. I guess.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  The only time you're turning it off. And I, yeah, I guess there are some practical, but like if you were turning it on and off, there's probably a reason why you don't want it to be on camera.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  How many, how many times is like, ah, my battery was dead.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Ah, I'm sure.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Dog ate my homework.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

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• 26:08Speaker 02

  What? Who says who? Uh, says the whole fucking world, man.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. So like, what, what do you hear from people like, uh, in their everyday lives about just inflation, affordability, gas, groceries?

• 26:19Speaker 02

  I think the main, uh, I guess not more, it's not as much day to day like gas and groceries, which are just like a pain in the ass and through the roof. But my generation was so obsessed with the idea of, or were told to be obsessed with the idea of owning a home. And I just, I mean, I'm very lucky to be in the position I was where I could. If I didn't get, if I didn't work at Barstool and I just kind of continued as an accountant, like, I probably would have been able to afford one, but not great. And it probably would have wiped me out and it would have been, you know, and it's like,

• 26:48Speaker 02

  when you just see how much housing's gone up and how much salaries have gone up. I mean, that's it. There's, you know what I mean? It used to be somewhat comparable. It's like, I remember, you know, my, I think my dad was making like 90 grand in like the early nineties. My mom, I don't think was working. That was enough. We like family of four or five of us buy a house, have a backyard, a pool. Now, you know,

• 27:12Speaker 02

  and I guess, you know, living in New York is pretty extreme, but I just don't get how anybody could do it. And I, I, I think I would have just abandoned the idea of being a homeowner. If I, if I didn't have the job I had and the, and I wasn't lucky the way I was, I think I would just rent. Like this is not a possibility.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  One of the things that I find interesting is if you do the math, it's not clear that always buying the home is the right financial decision.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  And that's what, that was what beaten into us.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  To my generation of just like renting is stupid. You don't own anything. At the end of the day, you're flushing your money down the toilet. And I really did think that. And now I'm like, yeah, wait a minute. Wouldn't it kind of just be like a mortgage versus rent? And you have a super and, uh, someone to take care of everything. And you know, like, uh, when I first.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Maybe I don't want to own anything.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Honestly, owning shit is just more, my whole life is just like, I just don't want responsibility. And then I went and got kids and a house. And it's like, all I have is responsibility now. But you know, like the first time I, I owned a house, everyone was saying, oh, it's going to cost a lot to maintain that. And I'm thinking like, I'll figure out how to do the landscaping, whatever, you know? And then a tree falls down and it's like, that'll be $15,000 to get those two trees removed. Otherwise the next one's going through your living room. So I'm like, oh, okay. There's a $15,000 bill I didn't expect. And like, and this pops up and that pops up and it is. Yeah, it's it feels impossible, especially I'm in Westchester, New York. I mean, try to if you if you want a school, if you want a house in a school district with a good school, you have to be rich, you have to be successful.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Like, how how much do you think those houses are?

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Like, I'm I'm in the Bronxville area and again, that's extreme. That's like Roger Goodell lives there. I think it's like one of the most expensive neighborhoods.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  You and Roger are boys?

• 28:51Speaker 02

  You know, in my never ending battle with Dave, the the best thing I could do for content would be boys with Roger Goodell. Just like going out to dinner with them. Hey, Dave. Uh, but I mean, you know, the taxes there are like 50 grand a year and the houses are, you know, decent for like $2 million and it's like it's a home, but it is not, you know, a $2 million house. When I was growing up, if you told me that your house was

• 29:12Speaker 03

  $2 million, you're

• 29:13Speaker 02

  You're you're Michael Jordan. You're a professional athlete like, and yeah, so I I just

• 29:17Speaker 03

  You have a basketball court inside the house, actually.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. I I may and maybe again, this is to go back to what I was saying earlier. There's going to be one generation in the transitional period that this like blows their mind. But, you know, the the even just the phrase like you're a millionaire. That does not mean what what it used to mean. You can have a couple million bucks and depending on where you live and what your lifestyle is, and it can get it done.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Have you seen recently the the conversations online about uh, there's people make a million dollars in New York City, but they're living paycheck to paycheck and people outside of New York, they're like, that's crazy, that's crazy, whatever. And the the breakdown that I saw was like, all right, so make a million dollars, half of it goes to the government right out of the period. Okay, so 500K, still, that is a ton of money. Five times more than your dad was making, you know, as a um, in the 90s, right? But then people start saying, okay, well, uh, I need a two bedroom because I have three kids plus, you know, my wife. All right, that means that's going to be uh, $9,000. Well, hold on, that's 20% of, you know, leftover.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Now, that's just for shelter.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay, then they're like, and then groceries and this and that and blah, blah, blah. Oh, by the way, I want my kid to go to a private school. Well, there's all the money, it's gone, like.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  And and you know, I'm not, I'm sure there are people out there way less fortunate who say, well, that that's my dream. I would love that. I understand that, but for when you that used to be an amount of money that would get you your dream life and it is getting you a house and your kid's school. That's it, you know?

• 30:44Speaker 03

  And for context for people, um, I actually think that there's this very weird thing in New York where um, you can get uh, two good experiences. You can go to a private school and you can get a great experience or you can go to a public school and get a great experience as well. And I think that people who are like, oh, uh, all public education is like horrible, they're dumb. And I think people who are like, all private education is like elitist bullshit, whatever, like they're dumb too. So it's like there's this like stratification, but the private schools in New York City to send your kid to, I don't know, middle school, 70 grand?

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, the Sunday numbers are absolutely nuts. When I started, when my kids hit like, I guess pre K, like preschool, and I got an email saying tuition is due, and I was like, tuition, can we can we at least just call it something different? Because I'm thinking tuition is college. I'm paying for college, maybe a private high school. I'm paying tuition for a four year old and it's thousands of dollars for you to paint macaroni things and like, go there for a couple hours, you're a glorified babysitter, I'm paying you $5,000? And I mean, especially in New York, in Westchester, it is, you know, you're paying the taxes of a town with a good public school or you're paying the tuition of a private school. And it's, you know, kind of pick your poison.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  And I was kind of of the school of of of thought that uh, in the Westchester area, all these schools have, you know, this is a blue ribbon school, this is rated nine out of 10, and I'm like, what are these? Because I grew up in this area, I I've been to all these schools, they all seem like pretty comparable. But then I start to learn like, well, Ivy League schools take a bigger percentage from these schools and not those schools. And it's like, I I I always hate, my main thing that I I hate is to like kind of give in to the rat race and some of the things that I'm like morally opposed to. But what am I going to do? Like not give my kids a chance, the the the best chance they can to live their life? So you got to like play by those rules. But man, some of them seem like these are just, if not designed to, they inherently keep

• 32:39Speaker 02

  the little guy down or don't give anybody a shot unless you are like really successful.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  One of the funniest things that I've seen recently is a friend of mine, he's got a kid's probably three years old and uh, he was applying to go to like preschool or whatever. And he said that he was getting interviewed, he was getting interviewed. And then he was like, yeah, so if uh, if if they need to like a reference, will you do it? And I was like, you want me to be a reference for your three year old? And he goes, no, no, he goes, no, not for the three year old, for me.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  I was like, wait a minute, they're gonna call and they're gonna call me and ask me if you're good so that your three year old can go to their school. I said, man,

• 33:18Speaker 02

  And your whole family's got to be in order to get your kid into preschool?

• 33:21Speaker 03

  I said, I don't know what the details of this school are, but sounds like I should be, maybe I should go go, you know, sign somebody's because the NIL deals are something already.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  I need to get into some sort of charter school business and charge these parents whatever I want.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  I was like, this is crazy.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  When it when it comes down to parental stuff and and for your kids, like I I do feel pressure of like, well, if I don't pay this or enroll in this, like I'm harming my kids and it shouldn't be that way, but it just kind of is like, I I don't know how to, I don't even, I wouldn't even know how to begin to fix it. Like, there's so many problems that there in this world that I'm like, I can't even think of a solution.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  On the homeownership thing, one of the things I do find interesting though is maybe people under the age of 35, there's still a lot of folks that I know who they they want to be in a position to be able to afford a home, which is some marker of like financial success. But they are like, but I don't want to own the home because I actually enjoy working remotely, traveling, you know, having flexibility, like all this stuff. It's like, it is this weird, like the boomer narrative of like everyone should own a home. And then there's a bunch of people who are like, no lifestyle wise, I don't actually want to own a home.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Then don't do it.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Or or get married, have kids, like the there are just like three or four major life things that I feel like I I was never even explicitly taught it. It was just like, this is the way it goes. And so I did everything at the right time I was supposed to, when I should have recognized like for myself and I'm sure other people out there have different scenarios, but similar of like, my life is kind of going down this alternative path with the internet and Barstool and all that. So I I'm probably not going to fall into those traditional buckets. But I tried to like live a normal life anyway and kind of all got jacked up because it's not a great fit.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  What did your parents think when you told them about Barstool?

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Uh, they were, they were outwardly supportive and inwardly like, are you out of your goddamn mind?

• 35:05Speaker 03

  But you stayed at the uh, at the audit firm or whatever?

• 35:08Speaker 02

  For the first couple of years. So I was at Deloitte.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  And and Barstool.

• 35:14Speaker 03

  What a sellout.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Oh dude, it was, I, my Deloitte story is like my favorite thing. So it was like, I won, I like stuck it to the man. I get this job that I have no business getting in the first place.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  Aren't you an auditor?

• 35:26Speaker 02

  I I it was a weird, it was, uh, we called it agreed upon procedures instead of an audit. And I wasn't a traditional, like I didn't go client to client. We stayed in one office and we just worked on whatever uh, monthly CDOs were given to us.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Sounds like nerd shit.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  In total nerd shit. And I was terrible at it and I hated it. But it was in 08, 09 and it was the exact financial instrument that was bringing down the economy was what I was working on and

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Maybe those two things are related.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  And so, and I know, I don't know what I'm doing. Every day I was like, I don't know any of this. And then and then I go home and I see like CNBC is like collateralized debt obligations is ruining America. And I was like, did I start the recession? Like this, this might be my, I think I'm like 1% responsible for the recession. So uh, but I I I knew I was terrible at it and I started my own blog just for fun. And that's when Dave saw that, right when he was looking to expand. And long story short, he wasn't able to pick just one person. So I worked Barstool part time and Deloitte part time for two years.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Did Deloitte know you?

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Did Deloitte? No, but Deloitte didn't know I was working as a blogger and the blog readers didn't know I had a job. And I was talking like, oh, I I used to be an accountant. They didn't know I was like actively an accountant.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Hold on, you said that you worked part time at Deloitte. Did Deloitte know you were part time?

• 36:44Speaker 02

  No, no, it was a full time job. I'm saying like, I, yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got you.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  It was, it's actually the perfect storm. I, if I had any other job, I don't think I'm at Barstool because this job, it was paying well out of college and I had benefits. My parents were like, you're set, don't worry, don't do anything stupid.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  But the way that job worked was you get all your work for the, it goes monthly. You get all your work for the month upfront. And they were like, as as long as you get it done, you get it done. And it mostly was was evenly spread out, but right around like the 15th would be crazy. So I would stay late, I would go nuts, but then I I was free to blog, like I was just at my desk. Like, nobody would check in on you if you got your work done. So I would just blog from my desk. And uh, I ended up just like getting double paychecks for a few years. I got severance. They were like, you're so bad, we're going to transfer you to a new apartment, new department. And I was like, no, thank you. And they were like, no, no, you're not understanding. Like if we don't transfer you, you're getting fired. And I was like, cool.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  You won't do it, you won't do it.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  So I I I kind of gamed the system on that one as best I could. I'm always like, I stuck it to the man.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  When um, when you think about the rise of Barstool, the the one aspect of it that's always hilarious to me is like, there was the newspaper, then there was like a blog. Now it's just like free run on Twitter and Instagram.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Ether, yeah.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  There's no format.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  It's just like, I think all of us grew up in an age where it became not taboo to just say whatever was on your mind. And if you look back, actually, the people who just said the truth or said what they were thinking, they're the people who accumulated the audiences. Everyone else who was like, oh, I can't say that because my job would like, see.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Authenticity reigns supreme, man. It always has, always will, but I feel like we're in an era right now, especially with AI and the algorithm and people just, it it it used to be, I'm going to do something interesting, cool and I'm passionate about it and that will translate and that's why it will grow. And now it's like, what does the algorithm already reward? I'm going to do that. It's just a whole copycat league, you know? And uh,

• 38:43Speaker 03

  There, let me ask this, this is actually an interesting way to think about it. You listen to podcasts?

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, some of them.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  When's the last time you found a really interesting new podcast? I think it's very hard to find

• 38:57Speaker 02

  get kind of set

• 38:57Speaker 03

  net new podcast, right?

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  And so like, I don't know. I've gone through different like seasons, if you, I used to listen to Joe Rogan a ton. And then like, it's just like, okay, cool. I get it. Every once in a while he's a guest like I'll listen. You know, Taylor Sheridan was on recently. Excellent.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Awesome. Then there's similar genres, like the Sean Ryans of the world. Joe crush, right? Three hour episodes, all this stuff. Then you've got like business podcasts, right? Or whatever. But I started thinking the other day, I'm like, I don't know, maybe once a year, maybe once every six months, I find a new podcast.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  It's, I mean, the whole industry has exploded to a level of like, I don't think that that happens anymore.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I find a new Twitter account.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  True.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Every day or every other day.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Because it's, but it's also, it's just more of a commitment. I read your tweet. It looks fine. I follow you, whatever. Whereas like, am I gonna not, I'm gonna listen to you for 30 minutes, an hour, two hours. But more importantly, are you good enough that I'm not going to listen to Joe Rogan and Sean Ryan? I feel like when I started, especially started podcasting, I started in 2012. It was, you know, you could buy the equipment and start, and if you had a good friend dynamic and you just were funny, it works. You could be success. I was, that was me, you know? Now it's like, are you gonna listen to me and my buddies? Or are you gonna listen to your favorite basketball players who are now telling all the secrets of the NBA? The rappers who get together talking about being on tour. Everyone's an entertainer. It's like, it became Hollywood where, you know, growing up, I would have never said, I'm gonna act in movies.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Cause I know I'm not Leonardo DiCaprio. I'm not George Clooney. But you could be like,

• 40:33Speaker 03

  You look like him.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  I, you know, I can be a podcaster. And it's true. You get your equipment, you get it out there, people like it. I don't think that's the case anymore, man. It's like, why should I listen to you when there's a lot more intriguing and interesting people? I mean, you have to either be a star, a real talent, or have some sort of angle. You're either grandfathered in, a nepo baby, whatever it is, for people to tune into your like two hour podcast.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  I also don't know how much the audiences move, right? Like that, that's always interesting to me where, um, let's say you've got a really big podcast and you like vouch for somebody.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Hmm. Not like it used to. I mean, look at Rogan. If you got on Rogan 20, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, your, your, your career is made.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Andrew Schultz talked about it. He's like, dude, this guy, he's like, look, Schultz is hilarious, right? And like substance wise, he's A plus. But he's publicly talked about it. He's like, Joe Rogan was incredibly important for my rise in my career.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Rogan, maybe he's still like a one of one, and so he can still kind of king make a little bit. But there's not many people like that.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, Joe will for sure give you a boost. No matter what, but like, yeah, he could take you out of obscurity and make you like a superstar with like, just a mention, you know? That, the, the sushi chef, he rolls with Philip Franklin Lee. He was like, I had a food truck at a festival. Joe ate one. He said, hey, can I get a reservation at your restaurant? And he was like, oh, I don't actually have a restaurant here. It's just a food truck. He was like, if you open a restaurant, I will plug it. So this guy just on a, like on a,

• 42:01Speaker 03

  I didn't realize that.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  On a promise, opened a sushi, sushi restaurant in Austin. Joe talked about it and he was like, I was booked for six straight months, like, and now my career is boom. And I think Joe might have, anybody, I keep saying Joe, but I think the king makers, I think might have a easier time anointing, like, go to this restaurant.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Versus like, go listen to this other content. Cause like, I'm listening to you, man. I don't wanna. I ran into that with my podcast. We, we hit the, the comedy revolution at the right time. We, I like to, I would like to think we were part of it as well. Uh, and all of these really funny guys coming on the show and they, at that point were pretty undiscovered. They were on their way, but you know, getting Schultz on the rise, getting Chris DiStefano when they're on the come up. And my, my podcast was successful as a result, but then they all started their own podcasts. And it's like, they used to only be able to get it from me or a couple of other guests, hosts. And now they have their own thing. And I actually wish I, my big regret is I wish I saw that writing on the wall a little bit more. Cause had I thought to myself, we're on a good run right now, but this is gonna end because of that. Let's start to pivot.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  I think we would have been in better position. Instead, we just kind of held on as long as we could. But, um, and yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  You think AI could, uh, do the podcast? Like, is AI gonna replace a lot of the content?

• 43:16Speaker 02

  No, I, I, I, I started looking into AI in terms of like production and editing. And there's a couple of good, uh, companies out there. The, the one we, I was really working in, like looking into was Opus. And they have a great product for like, if you don't have a producer, this will listen to the show and it'll identify the, the good moments and it'll clip it and subtitle it and all that stuff for you. But it always like just, there's just a limit, at least at this iteration. It doesn't quite get humor yet. It doesn't get like, it can, it can sense when somebody was yelling on the podcast, but was that really funny? And so there's still, I think when it comes to content, you, the creator still really does matter. Uh, cause if, if, if the edit couldn't even be like fully done, I don't think it can just produce.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Do you watch any of the like AI influencers on Instagram?

• 44:04Speaker 02

  I don't like seek them. I've seen them before, but I, I think you're insane if you like follow that and watch that, right? Like that's not, and it's usually like some hot girl that's clearly fake and just kind of regurgitating.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  I've seen Jewish rabbis. I've seen Italian mafia men.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  You know what? Maybe I've seen and I don't realize.

• 44:21Speaker 03

  You don't realize.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  That's the other thing, man. I like, I love when, when, when the second, when the video of Alex Preddy came out, that was kind of like damning of his behavior. And everyone just automatically, that's AI, that's fake. And I had posted it, people were killing me for it. And then it turned out to be real. And it's like, the new, the new I was hacked or whatever is like, that's AI.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Remember, remember, people used to say that?

• 44:43Speaker 02

  People still say that. It's like, dude,

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Oh, my, my Twitter account got hacked. Uh, it was three o'clock in the morning. And here's a picture of you on the flock camera drinking last night.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  And it's like, what else happened during this alleged hack? They just logged in and sent one tweet and that's it. Like, get out of here. But yeah, I, uh,

• 45:01Speaker 03

  That happened to be at the person talking shit to you.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Right. But I, you know, I don't even pretend. If I get it wrong, I'm like, how, I'm not like a film expert. It's, it's fake. I'm sorry. I got duped. Like.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  The, the best one, you know, who should have said they got hacked? It was, uh, Paul Pierce. With the live stream. If he, if he had somehow come up like,

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that wasn't me, man. It's AI.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like, hey, man, what, what happened there? Somebody hacked my phone.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  I feel like that was one of the like, wait, what is going on? Cause wasn't it like two o'clock in the afternoon on like a Tuesday?

• 45:34Speaker 02

  He was just like loaded drunk. I can, I was, he's a, he's a great, but that, like you can't, even if AI gets to the point where it really can understand humor and conversation, you're not gonna get like a wild moment. The AI is never gonna be like, all right, now let me say something crazy and controversial to go viral. And like, that has to be a human, like, oh, I fucked up. I shouldn't have said that. And that's why we like live and that's why we like authentic content. I don't think it can do that yet, but I don't know. Who knows?

• 46:00Speaker 03

  So from all these things like, uh, we're talking about housing, we're talking about like all the technology, what AI can do, can't do, uh, humanoid robots? I think it's like, what?

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Sign me up.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  You're in?

• 46:12Speaker 02

  Give me that Jetsons life. What was her name? Betty? That little like, the, I, I saw some.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  Would you put one in your house?

• 46:19Speaker 02

  I jokingly say I would, and I'm like lazy enough and hate like housework enough that if you told me like, this thing can do your dishes and like vacuum the floor, I'd be like, I'll do that. But then I think about like the flock cameras and everything we were discussing, where it's like, that thing will be hacked and spying on you in two seconds.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  Do you have like an Amazon or Alexa or anything like that?

• 46:37Speaker 02

  I don't, I, I think my TV has it like enabled, but I don't, I don't use that. I don't, I don't, uh, I don't use any of that.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  What about the like, uh, cleaning robot?

• 46:46Speaker 02

  A Roomba?

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Like a Roomba?

• 46:47Speaker 02

  I don't have one, but I would.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  You would?

• 46:48Speaker 02

  But I guess when you start to think that like anything's hackable, I don't know.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  Well, what's Roomba gonna do?

• 46:52Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Bite your ankle? Like chase you around the house.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  It's listening or something. I'm giving out my secrets. I don't know.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. But like, that's the thing, right? It's like, there's a lot of people who have the Alexas. There's a lot of people who have like the Roombas or Maddox or whatever. So like, isn't the humanoid kind of just like, I mean, yeah, sure. It's got arms.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  And that's what I'm saying. Like when, when Roomba came out, we weren't like,

• 47:12Speaker 03

  this is crazy. Stop.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  No, people were like, clean my house.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Right. And so, but now, you know, maybe me and you are a little uncomfortable with like this human thing walking around. But again, that's a small generation. We're gonna kick the bucket. And then the people who were grow, raised in a world where there's humanoids in your house, it's just fucking normal.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's normal. I saw, um, there's a like Roomba competitor, I think it's called Matic, if I remember correctly. And I saw that, uh, when, uh, when you get one, they send stickers. But the stickers make, you can put it on in certain places and it makes it look like it's a dog.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Man, we're getting weird, dude. I think about this all the time. What do you, what do you?

• 47:50Speaker 03

  By the way, if they send the stickers, you gotta put them on, right?

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Gotta have a robot talk. What do you think is going on right now? That we will look back on, society will look back on us thinking like they were so stupid. They, you know, when we were like, can you believe they used to think that the earth was the center of the universe?

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Like, there's something going on right now that we all think as logical, intelligent people, like this is 100% the case.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  Oh, I think there's a bunch of stuff.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  What do you think? What do you think like the main?

• 48:18Speaker 03

  One of the big ones is they let humans be the doctors.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Or, or the drivers too. You're gonna let the robots drive the car? They're gonna go, you let the humans?

• 48:27Speaker 03

  100%.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  You know, a 5,000 pound vehicle, 100 mile, what do you?

• 48:31Speaker 03

  While they're texting and doing this, you know, whatever, right? So like, like that, uh, the doctors.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  You should do surgery with your hands instead of lasers.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  Have I not told you the story of, uh, I have, uh, uh, two young twin boys and, uh, they would probably still be here without AI, but there's a very good chance that there could have been a different decision.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  Well, what a setup.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  My wife was pregnant. Uh, we knew that it was twins, but she goes to get checked and, uh, they do the scan and I'm there. And the doctors, uh, you know, it's like dark in the room. She puts down the scanner, turns on the lights and she sits down and says, we need to have a conversation. And I'm like, oh, here we go, right? What do we have a conversation about? And she's basically like, all right, so you have twins. There is no, uh, membrane wall between the twins. So they're in the same like sack and there's one placenta. I'm not a doctor. I don't know shit about babies other than she then says, this is about the highest risk twin situation that we could have.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Great.

• 49:39Speaker 03

  That didn't sound great.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Great news. Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 03

  So I immediately, you know, I'm a problem solver. I go to like, so what's the solution, right?

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Get another membrane in there.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  So she's like, pretty much almost everybody who's in this situation would terminate the pregnancy. You met my wife is just like, you know, distraught, all this stuff, whatever, right? And it was like, it was the first scan. So like, that's supposed to be, you know, this like great memory and like all this, right? Especially for her. And so we leave. Oh my God, I don't even know what conversation to have, you know, I'm trying to console her, all this stuff, whatever. So when you leave the scan for anyone who has an idea before they give you the like sonogram or whatever, like pictures.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  And so, uh, my wife takes it and she takes a picture. She puts it in chat GPT. And she says, the doctor told me blah, blah, blah, whatever. What do you see? And chat GPT comes back and says, no, there's only one placenta, but the membrane wall is like in between the two babies. Because like, there was like, definitely like, I'm not a doctor, but like, I don't know. There's like a line, like, what's the line? And so my wife then takes it, she circles and draws an arrow to the thing and uploads it back into like the doctor portal. And is like, hey, just out of personal curiosity, like, what's this?

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Before I go killing my baby.

• 50:55Speaker 03

  Like, right? And so, um, the doctor calls her and basically it's like, I'm so sorry. I must've been distracted. I don't know what I was looking at. But whatever, like, yes, that is the memory. Oh, thank God. It's still, you know, a higher risk, but it's not as risky as, you know, if that wasn't there, whatever. And I was like, so first of all.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Big mistake.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  First of all, you are not the doctor anymore.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Malpractice. You're out. Yeah. We're a doctor for anybody.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  We're gonna go find a different.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Could you imagine, man? And you would have never even known, because you would have like never followed up. You probably would have just had that and.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  And it's always like, you know, you don't know what you would have done. Like, I think just like morally, right? We wouldn't have made any different decision. We'd been like, look, we're gonna go forward with this, you know, and have the babies and like, we'll see what happens, whatever. But like.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  I don't know if I, I don't know if that'd be the case for me, like.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  But I'm like, wait a minute. A lot of people are like, oh, AI this, that. I'm like, no, no, dude. Every single person who goes to the doctor, you should take whatever the doctor tells you and feed it into one of these systems and be like, are they right?

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Right. Cause you don't know, having a bad day, they're going through their own trauma. They're drunk. I don't know, whatever, like.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Or they're just dumb.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Or there's bad, yeah, there's bad, dumb. Yo, that's, that's my biggest problem with the world. Is it started when I myself was working on those as an accountant and I was like, this is some pretty important stuff. And, and they're relying on me, a 22 year old, like, and I don't know what I'm doing. Uh, and then even like the, the managers and the people who, who I worked with were getting promoted and people were making partner. And I was like, that person's dumb. So I witnessed.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  You play the game well, but you are stupid.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  I mean, that's how I, I was so bad at my job and, and because the recession was happening, everyone was getting laid off. And I kept making it to the point that people were kind of getting mad. They were like, I'm getting fired, but Kevin's still there. And it was because I, you know, I could have a beer and talk with a partner and like, so.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  So some people got brains, some people they didn't know how to work the system. It's just, you know, different strokes for different folks.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  Right. But, uh, but what I've learned is like every profession, every job, there's somebody who's just like snake it till you make it. I don't really know what I'm doing. But when you're talking about doctors and lawyers and some of the people who have like your life in their hands, if they're having a snake it till you make it day, that's, that's, that's not acceptable. It's crazy.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  I, I just like, uh, I, I now am like, all right, this AI stuff, there's a bunch of probably negative side effects over time, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Every single person goes to the doctor.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  That happens to you once. That erases the other 10,000 mistakes that might have made. So I also don't have, I, I, I don't know exactly how it works. Sometimes I feel like it's a mirror to like who's using it. Cause when I hear the stories of it like hallucinating and saying crazy things and telling me to like take my own life and all those wild extreme.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  What did you say to it?

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I mean. Like I always have very, I just like ask it a question and gives me an answer and maybe sometimes I'll question it and they'll be like, actually you're right. But I've never experienced that where, so I'm like, I don't know what you guys are putting in there.

• 53:46Speaker 03

  I always wonder if somebody's like, it made me run into the wall. And then you're like, well, what did you say to it? You're like, tell me to run into the wall.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  And also at some level, you have to have your own human brain. It's like the episode of the office where they drive into the lake because GPS said so. Like just because a computer says something, you don't have to do it.

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• 56:13Speaker 03

  The, uh, so I think that's one is like, uh, human drivers, doctors, like that'd be a big one. The other one that I think is, uh, gonna be pretty interesting is that, uh, we used to have the phones. Because I think that at some point they're just going to be embedded in your brain.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. You used to have to carry a thing around.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, like this whole idea of it used to be outside of, well, there's computer products. Like we see all the glasses now.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  We see, uh, here's our crazy staff. We, I saw online that Neuralink, you know, Elon's like brain computer interface thing? They've implanted it in 26 people? I thought we were on like number two.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. And how come we haven't heard like from them or?

• 56:53Speaker 03

  Hopefully, hopefully it's not because they went bad, right? But like, we're on the 26th person. That's a way bigger number than I thought.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Should be, I mean, I'm sure they're not going to document it until they know it's all good, but I, I imagine there was an account that was just like, follow me, the first Neuralink human.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  There is, there is one guy.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  Shit out of that. And he's just talking about how it works?

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. I forget what he posts, but like there's the, the one guy who is the first one, he's definitely been like doing media and stuff. But the one I saw, the couple I saw was the 26th person. Cause like here, here's a good question. How many people have to have the Neuralink implanted in their brain safely? And then you're like, fine, I'll do it.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  I think it's gotta, I don't know. I don't know if I'd do it.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Like if a million people, and they were like, you, you will be smarter, you'll make more money, you'll do all these things. A million other people have done it and it's all been safe.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Have you seen this show, Pluribus?

• 57:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  It's, it's Vince Gilligan from Breaking Bad's new show. And that, this is basically the plot is, uh, it's, it's either, I don't think we really know that. I think it's like an alien guy. Collective comes down and there's like, uh, uh, they basically put out a virus that, uh, makes you join this hive mind. And there's 11 people on the planet left that didn't, it just didn't work for them. And the people who have this new, you know, whatever are like, this is amazing. Like it's great. We live in peace and paradise. We all like, work for each other, but help each other. Uh, you, and, and so they're working on like, how can we figure out how, we don't want to leave the other 11 behind. We want you to join the hive.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  And the main character, the protagonist is like fighting for human, you know, it's actually a little on the nose with like AI versus humanity, the whole show. But she's like, I'm not doing it. And she has, she's talking to her wife, who is now a part of the hive. And she's like, please, like come with us. It's your wife saying this to you and, but it's not, because it's not her brain, you know? And so she, these characters, these like 11 people like dig their heels in. It's like billions and they're the last ones standing. And I, I, everybody who watches the show, I ask them, would you join or not? And it's like, I'd like to think I would be like, no, I gotta keep my humanity. But if I'm, if I'm one of the last ones left, I'm jumping off the bridge too. But if, but if it's like. Not the whole world and like there's plenty of

• 59:09Speaker 03

  As I'm saying, a million. Like I always go to like, if a million people have done it safely, would you do it? I don't know. I don't know.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  It's almost more to me is everyone in my circle doing it. I don't care if a million people who I never like, but if it's like my whole life is going to be this way and I'm the only one not. I would probably do it out of like, I don't want to be the pain in the ass who's ruining it for the group. I'm so non-confrontational that I'm just like,

• 59:31Speaker 03

  Gilted into it.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, give me a, you guys all got lobotomies? Do it to me too. I don't want to be the odd man out. But that is a great question because it's, you know, what is the tipping point? And if someone says not, no to a million, one point five, two, two point five, does it have to be 20? Well, if it's 20, why not 19 million? What, you know, it's like,

• 59:48Speaker 03

  Or imagine now, okay, you go to high school. You're competing against kids who have it.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  And yeah, you, you don't have a leg up.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  Have you seen this yet? Uh, there's been an explosion of parents giving their, uh, kind of like, uh, puberty age kids, HGH.

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  When they're, when like, there's no need for it. It's not like you're medically like,

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  They're, they're hitting their growth spurts and they're just giving a little. But, and they're like, in some cases, doing it with like doctor supervision, all this stuff and everything, but it is, helps them grow taller, bigger, athletic advantage, you know, all this stuff. And you're just like,

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Well, that's probably one of those things that 500 years from now, they're going to go, you guys didn't take the medication that makes you better and healthier? Or are you out of your fucking mind?

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Like, it's kind of crazy, right? Like,

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  I, I think of that as kind of dystopian and like sci-fi and unfair and, but it's, it's like steroids too. It's, you know, I remember all the major league baseball players being like, well, I had to do it to keep up with the guys who were doing it. So it becomes this rat race.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Remember when Mark McGuire and them were like, we're not doing it?

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Mark McGuire did the smartest thing ever was he put Andro, which was like a loud creatine, front and center in his locker. So he'd be talking and there'd be this tub. And he'd be like, oh, that's what I do. It was almost like, I'm going to admit to this. And you know, right behind that are the needles he's putting in, but, uh, you know, it's, it's a fine line between,

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  Barry Bonds, like the skinny dude, and then he just became his head monster growing.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  But I think about that all the time. If I was Barry Bonds, they always say Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer without it. I'm good. But if you're like a prospect who like might make the league and might make like a $5 million contract or, you'll flame out and play in like a Mexican league and then disappear.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  Or work at Wendy's.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  Right. Or yeah, nothing at all. Like, and then you get caught, you get kicked out, but you made like two million bucks, even if it's just a couple million bucks. It's like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think I could stop myself from that.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, um, I do think that there's something weird about, as people have gotten to understand this stuff better, there's obviously like crazy stuff, whatever. Like, you know, what scares the hell out of me is psychedelics.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  Hmm. I,

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Did you see the bodybuilder recently? The, the 31 year old, uh, bodybuilder? So there's a 31 year old kid who's like very popular online. I'd, I'd never heard of him before, but you know, he had big counts and stuff. Um, he went to Thailand and, uh, the report that initially came out is he drowned in a lake. And then like some more details come out. You never like a hundred percent know. So this is all like what people are at least reporting. Um, he like did some sort of video that was a little deranged. There was reports that he was acting deranged. Then he like, uh, painted, like hit the room he was staying in with like weird stuff. Like there's like a lot of like odd behavior.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  And then he supposedly died, but he like, people said they like saw him like walk into the lake or something.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  And, and was he on, uh, like toxicology report showed he was on a psychedelic or something?

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  I don't know if it was toxicology or people were like, he was on like a psychedelic, uh, like, like going there for the sake. I don't know all the details, but just like, I heard enough.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  I, I know, but then I've also heard these, these other stories of people who were like, I was a, an addict for like 20 years and I took,

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  I think both are true.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, but what, what always scares me is it, it's like, it sounds like whatever headspace you're in is kind of, you had a bad trip because you're like stressed and anxious and depressed and all that. But it sounds like people use psychedelics to cure those things. So like, I would, I would be worried that all of my bad things that I'm trying to fix would then manifest during the trip.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  I always think about if, uh, if you've got a good thing going, doing it can only derail you.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Right. But I guess if you're like rock bottom.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. If you've got issues, then it's like, well, the only thing it could do is help you because you already feel like you're,

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  But, or I don't know. Or like, you know, you walk into a lake and dry yourself.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't know. There's a lot of veterans who, uh, that go and they, they say it helps with the PTSD and stuff like that. So like, it, it's why like it scares me because it almost feels like it's a little bit of a lottery. Now, I have a friend, Christian Agar Meyer, who, um, is, is very involved in the psychedelic space. He's got a public company, all this stuff. Um, and, uh, I think it, if he was here, he would say, well, the bad trips or whatever happened because people are like irresponsible.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Not taking,

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  No different than like, you know, alcohol is fine, but if you, yeah, you can kill yourself. You drink too much, right? Um, but still it's like, that's one of those things where I know I don't know enough. And so it scares me. Same way that like the Neuralink, a million people that I always use that as like, eh, I'd, I'd get interested.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  But, but is it, do you want Neuralink? And you're just afraid?

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  Imagine?

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. See, I don't, I go back and forth too, because there are times I,

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  I can't remember the bodybuilder's name. I'd know it right away. I'd be like bam, right?

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  But also does that like, is that a be careful what you wish for sort of thing? You realize,

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  They could hack my brain, shut me down.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  No, but not even, let's say it all works as it's supposed to. And it's like, you know, everything now. It's like, nobody likes to forget things, but I don't know. Maybe part of, I, I'm trying to go the other way. I want to get dumber. I, I think being ignorant is the best thing in the world. Ignorance is bliss, baby. These people who, who, I'm not saying ignorant in like a hateful or racist way, but just like, I think about everything. I wake up and my brain is going and I'm like, well, what about this? And what, is this going to happen to my kids? And if I don't do this, what about my job? And I'm always thinking, and maybe that's partially why I have ambition and I've had some, some success. But I'm also like, wouldn't it be nice to just

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  wake up and be like, I don't know. See what happens today. No big deal.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  So in, um, 2022, um, a bunch of business stuff, the whole market started tanking, crypto, stock, I mean, just everything. And so if you were involved at all in like the finance world, wasn't fun. Yeah. Wasn't fun. And, uh, I remember driving the car one day and my wife sat next to me and, uh, I'm in the driver's seat. And I look out the window and there was a guy who, uh, worked at a landscaping company. And this is like, kind of like one of these like, uh, four lane, you know, highways that are, uh, um, and he is edging the, uh, grass next to the, uh,

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Hell yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Next to like the curb. And he's got like, you know, the orange long sleeve shirt on. He's got the pants, got the boots. And then he's got like the hat with the flap in the back. And he's got sunglasses on, right? He's fucking rocking. And I was just looking at him and my wife goes, you okay? What are you doing? And I just looked at this like, I'm jealous of that guy's simple life.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  And he probably, he could have had like the most stressful life ever. His wife hates him and this and that. Like, but in that moment I was like, I don't know, man.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  I've had that exact thought about like,

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Edging the lawn sounds pretty good right now.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  When you see like a construction crew of guys and they're just kind of hanging and then, you know, they're digging or doing something, but they're shooting the shit. But also, and we see that and it's amazing. And then they're like, yeah, try it in February when it's, you know, 10, 10 below and I gotta go outside.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  Well, it's funny because I did just see a guy on Instagram. He's got a hard hat on. He goes, boys, let me tell you, let me tell you. Whatever you can do, get one of them desk jobs. And he's got sweat pouring down his face and he puts his hard hat on. He's like, trust me. Trust me. Get one of them desk jobs. Yeah. I, I made it through high school. That was it. Get one of them desk jobs, boys. All right. I'll see you later.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  That's the whole video.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. I want to do paperwork.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Do you love what you do still?

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. But, but it's just like, I think that everyone has, uh, everyone has days where it's not even that they don't want to do what they're doing. They always have days of like, what if? What if this other day, like, uh, for one day I could go do something else? Would I enjoy it? Would it be fun? Whatever. And, um, the, uh, the Taylor Sheridan, uh, thing he talks about, um, he was like on a movie set and, uh, or he was on the, what, what's the movie or the, uh, episodic TV series, uh, where they're all the bikers?

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Um, new one or old one?

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  It's an older one, Sense of Anarchy. So he was like, uh, not an A-list, you know, actor, but he was on that show.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  And basically everyone else he, I think was getting paid like 20K per episode. He was getting paid 15. And his agent was telling them like, you gotta pay him 20, just like everybody else. Like, we ain't got the money for that. So like, he's getting 15 or whatever. So he pretty much was like, why not? And they were like, dude, we could fill that role in five seconds.

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  You are replaceable.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  There's 20 dudes waiting for that role, right?

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  15 and shut up. Yeah.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  So he was like, oh, so he basically was like, I'm not doing it. Kind of at a point of pride. And so that's when he was like, well, maybe I should go and become a writer and a producer. And he's had this like stratospheric,

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  The right choice, Taylor.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  Correct. Right? So like, it worked out really well for him, but like, it takes some balls to be like, I'm on this path. Like you're in legit TV shows, you're fucking $15,000 an episode. It would take two days to record the episode, right? Like whatever, right? Like you're not struggling for money.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  But to still say like, this thing's good, but I want great. I love that.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  I also think that's a little bit like chicken or the egg. It's like, I think the, the vast majority of us would be like 15 grand for two days. Like I'm just going to shut my mouth.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  I might do that today.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  But the guy willing to, to buck the trend is also the type of guy who probably will become Taylor Sheridan. You know what I mean?

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  So it's like a little bit in your DNA. If you're even considering telling the studio to fuck off, maybe follow your gut because that's, that means you're probably one of those guys. I, I, it's, it's so hard to, you know, it's hard to do those things. Take a risk. Or, you know, start your own thing or whatever. I think about it with Barstool all the time. Like, there's, there's like, there's like one, but you know, we've all done pretty well, but it's like, there's probably like, maybe you can count on one hand, total, the amount of people that if they were gone, Barstool would like cease to exist. Otherwise you are, we are replaceable, man. Like there's very few people in this world who are not replaceable, whether it's a sports team or a, whatever you're doing.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Don't, don't get it twisted. You're not that special.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  You know what I just remembered? I, I can't believe we didn't talk about this. In, when did Churnin make the initial investment? 2018?

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  No, a little earlier. Eh.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  17, something like that. Probably 17 or 18, somewhere, somewhere in that timeframe.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  And, um, I remember when I read it, it was something to the effect of Churnin is buying like 51% at like a $15 million valuation. And I being a complete moron, went on medium.com and I wrote this whole thing and I said, Barstool is going to be a billion dollar company. And I had like some legitimate math, but I was like, look, this thing, and I knew because I, uh, got into school in Northeast, like I knew the,

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  The, the cultural importance and the like fandom and all this stuff. And I've put a line at the end and I was like, basically, this is gonna happen as long as Dave doesn't sell too early.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  And I remember that you reached out to me or you had a radio show, something happened and you guys were like, there's some dumbass on the internet who thinks this is gonna be a billion dollar company? Get that motherfucker in here. What is this guy smoking?

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  Dave, Dave was, you were, Dave was saying the same thing. There was an infamous rundown, me, Dan, Katz, Big Katz.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  Did he really?

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  And Dave, and he said, there are people in boardrooms right now saying, how can we be more like Barstool? And we were like, no, the fuck there is not. And you have to remember, at the time, uh, we had a blind intern named Blind Mike that Dave was throwing things at him to try to prove whether he was blind or not. There was a squirrel that consistently would eat through the wires. So we had no internet. Uh, you know, and just like things like that where it was like,

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  normal, normal things, normal things.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  I'm like, what are you? And, and we were a little tongue in cheek. Obviously we were, we believed in it because we were, but I did not think it was ever gonna be like this. And Dave, kinda going back to what I just said, he was smart enough to do this, but also dumb enough, or crazy enough to be like, we are the ones. And, and then it was a kinda self fulfilling from there. Cause Barstool is, and I'm not just saying this because I'm a part of it. I'm so thrilled that I'm a part of it, but it's the most interesting story like ever. It is one of a kind, it will never happen again. It can't happen again. The timing was perfect. Our, our timing, our ages, Dave's born five years earlier, five years later, doesn't happen. If Boston starts their dynasty five years earlier after, or they don't start the dynasty at all, doesn't happen.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  If the internet does not evolve and become a blog, if we're just a newspaper, it doesn't happen. And those, those just kept happening. EDM music becomes a thing. Right when we were getting into like college fair, uh, spring weekend type things. And all of a sudden we have a traveling techno festival. And it was just like, now, I guess we also deserve credit because we were so like light on our feet. We could pivot and move.

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Speed kills, you know? So we took advantage of those things, but they all fell in our lap, man. And even like me, like, I had that job that allowed me to blog on the side, which allowed me to turn it into this. Cause had I needed to be like, quit your job and do it or don't, if it was shit or get off the pot, I probably at that point, I was like, I don't know. I'm making like 75 grand. That's amazing, you know? So all of these things, timing for like individuals to the, to the big picture. It was lightning in a bottle. It was, it'll just never happen again. And, uh, but those are the stories where it's like, certain people believed, you know?

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  I think that, um, the number one thing that made Barstool successful is that you guys understood everything is content.

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  Everything, content over everything, man. Yeah.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  You know, Light Switch Lou, I, I've seen the video of him telling Dave about Bitcoin for the first time. And he's, he sounds like a fucking insane man.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Well, he isn't.

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  Right. And he's got his laptop and he's like,

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  It's the char, it's, it's, it's like, you can't have Barstool without like Dave, right? But in a strange way, not as equally important, but pretty important are like the weirdo characters who maybe are way less talented, not to be mean, but or just don't have the exposure or the ethic or whatever. But we need that guy who's the blind kid to throw things. You know, it's like, it, the cast of characters that we assembled. Luck, I don't know. Was it luck? Was it talent? Like, did he have an eye for that or some sort of combination of all of it? It is this alchemy that like, those circumstances, I don't think will ever be replicated.

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  But it's also the thing, like, uh, what was, um, Big Cat had like that corner in, uh, in one of the offices of just like shit. That was piling up there.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  It was like, when you describe it, it's like, it was just a corner of a room. But he just, he, there was so much shit there.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  It became like a character.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  The corner. Yeah.

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then I remember.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  He was driving around on a rascal scooter, but that became a thing.

• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. I just remember coming to the office and, and then just being like, don't go near the corner and be like,

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Cause it's like, there's probably, there might be a small child in there for all we know.

• 1:14:25Speaker 03

  What? And he just comes pile of stuff. Any other business would be like, hey man, you gotta move this stuff. Like we're trying to like, when people are coming to the office. Right. And other people are like, no, like protecting the corner, right?

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  That, that corner was probably more valuable than like 30% of the humans in the company. I said about Dave, uh, Dave's dog is, is probably like the third most important employee at the company. It's like Dan, Dave, and then his dog. His dog gets bigger brand deals than like all the humans work in there. Or even like our cleaning company once stole from us. And we got out the CCTV, we made a whole story of, you know, going through drawers, stealing people's money and weed and stuff like that. The, the security guard, her name's Ebony. She used to just do security for the building. And I kinda struck up a friendship with her. Next thing you know, we just hire her to be our personal security. Everything and anything can be turned into content at all times. It's also like a, probably a wildly unhealthy way to live. Like I think I'm

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  totally warped and fucked, but it makes for unbelievable. Cause when reality TV became like not really reality, it was kinda getting scripted. We were like, no, this is real. And people would always accuse us, oh, this is a bit, you scripted this. It's like, all this was real. And so you are getting like actual anger, fights, scandals, whatever.

• 1:15:38Speaker 03

  It's great.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  When everything else started to get scripted, we, we went even more the other direction. So.

• 1:15:42Speaker 03

  All right. Where can we say people will find you on the internet?

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  Uh, at KFC Barstool is, is the main thing on Instagram right now. So I, I wrapped up the podcast in January. So right now I'm just kinda doing short form videos on all social media. So.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  You're fucking on fire.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  The, the short form is an interesting one, man. Cause it's like, I think that that's the way everything's going. The same way I thought kinda podcasts was next. I think it's all short form video, but people are in the, in this podcast mode of how to sell podcast ads and long form. And so monetizing it is, is a little bit, I think I'm like still at the frontier of that, but I, I think, uh, short form is the way. So I've been putting all my eggs in that basket. And it's, yeah, business has been pretty good. Been like 50 million views a month. I'm pretty proud of that. So.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Geez, 50 million views per month.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Just from, and I, I mean, I literally, it's just like,

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  Well, I've seen you do it.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  That's it. You know what I mean? So, uh, that's a good thing.

• 1:16:28Speaker 03

  So maybe you are an actor.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Wait, before we go, I got one question for you. Uh, this private, private equity, like explosion in sports. A lot of people are basically saying that like the Celtics just traded Jalen Brown because of analytics and, and private equity. Why are, why, if you're so smart and you're, as a private equity firm to know about like making money, don't you think there's enough knowledge to be like, let's not completely bastardize this thing that we've just bought and ruin it and make private equity look so bad?

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  No, because.

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  Cause it still just makes more money this way.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  Name the person, name the person who did it. You can't.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's no like personal culpability. Yeah.

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  What's the, what's the company?

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like I think about.

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  Private equity. I don't care if you attack private equity. It's like, uh, years ago, I used to say this, uh, saying, I used to say, uh, long Bitcoin, short the bankers. And I would have people who literally are bankers be like, yeah.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  And I'd be like, yeah. And they're like, I'm not a banker. Like, oh yeah. I mean, like, I like, I hang out here, but you know, I'm like one of you guys, right?

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Everybody wants to be one of you guys.

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  When, can you, I wrote it in the book. Can you just say something or do something to make Bitcoin go back up? Just do it. Do, pull the button, pull lever, push the button, say the thing, make it happen.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  You, you want it to just do what it does, you know? It's like.

• 1:17:40Speaker 03

  No, I want it to go up. I want it to do what I want it to do, not what it wants to do.

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  I know, I know. It's, um. Is there any concern for, for, you think it's fine? Cause I, I started to hear how like the, the derivatives that are being made off of Bitcoin are now kind of eating up the actual.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  The volatility will definitely come down, right? Just cause it's gotten bigger. But, um, my general view is, uh, if you buy Bitcoin, you should do everything in your power to just say, I'm gonna give this to my grandkids.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's how I view it.

• 1:18:07Speaker 03

  If you psychologically do that, in a weird way, um, I wrote this thing one time and everyone thought I was fucking nuts. I was like, uh, the boomers had housing. The millennials have Satoshi. Because what did boomers do? They like bought, now can you live in your house? Of course you can't live in your Bitcoin, whatever.

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  Utility to the house, but not.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  But you like, bought this thing and you basically just held it for like 20 years.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like your mortgage is a 30 year mortgage. We're talking about a decades long plan. So you should do the same.

• 1:18:34Speaker 03

  And so they just held it and all of a sudden they're like, that $200,000 house I bought is now a million and a half dollars. What the fuck? You can do anything for that.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:42Speaker 03

  Bitcoin, I think is very similar, right? Is even the last couple of years, I mean, it goes up, it goes down, it whatever.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  But I, I do think the difference is like, houses will always exist. Whereas like if Bitcoin disappeared from the world, we, it wouldn't, we could keep going, you know?

• 1:18:56Speaker 03

  True, but I think that there's plenty of housing markets where, that's not true. Have you seen, actually this is, this is, you should do a video on this. Have, uh, Bloomberg recently had an article out, uh, around Dallas, Texas. There was a massive surge of H1B, uh, immigrate, uh, immigration there. Because a bunch of companies are moving their headquarters to Dallas, Texas. Well, when that happens, H1Bs, a lot of them come from, uh, India. Cause they're software engineers or IT or whatever, right? So like, whatever your thoughts are on immigration, just wait. But if you have a bunch of people from a single geographic area with a certain ethnicity, certain cultural norms, all this stuff,

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  the people where they're moving start to adapt to that because they're like, well, I need to sell homes if I'm a home builder. So Bloomberg has an article where they're talking to this home builder and long story short, what's happened is now there's a bunch of changes to these programs. A lot of, uh, these folks are not having to move home or they're not having as much money. So they're not buying these houses, whatever. But the homes they got built had things like, uh, a specific area of the kitchen for like a spice kitchen. Or they had like a room that was like a prayer room. Now they're trying to like reconfigure it to be like a study or like whatever, right?

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  And so I look at this and I'm like, okay. Housing, yes, to a degree is this great long-term store of wealth. But in Dallas, Texas, home prices exploded. And the whole article is about their coming back down and here's the drivers of it, whatever. So it's like a very well done article. It's like looking at the economic impact and that's like the focus. But you learn some of these nuances and you're like, well, actually if you bought a home in Dallas, Texas, three years ago, I don't know if it was that great. So 10 years from now, is it gonna be great? 20 years from now, like, probably. But I don't know, right? And so like, there's always risk, I think is the, the, the short answer. And so it's like, to me, a home, Bitcoin, gold, you know, whatever. It's just like, dude, just buy some shit.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  Hold it for long. What do you, what do you think is, uh, like, are you, are you of the thought that it's gonna go to a million? Like when people say that?

• 1:21:03Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  Is that just because of scarcity? Because there's a fixed, like what?

• 1:21:06Speaker 03

  No, it's because the government's never gonna stop printing money.

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  And so you think that like,

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  It's like gold. So like.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  All the other currencies will be less appealing to prop this up to the point that it'll spike that high.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  I, I just think that, uh, scarcity becomes very valuable in a world of abundance. And we have an abundance of dollars and we're headed to a world of even more dollars. And then also an abundance of intelligence through AI. And so like things that are scarce. Now I think that, um, professional sports team owners, super fast, only 32 teams, right? So like, that's interesting. Um, I've seen people buying up like collectibles, like, uh, the guys who bought the, um, uh, Pokemon card from Logan Paul. Super interesting, right? A company called Treasure Trove. Um, if you go and you take a look at, uh, Bitcoin, right? Gold, like things that have scarcity to them are gonna continue to perform really well because you just have an abundance of these dollars. And so everything's priced in dollars.

• 1:21:59Speaker 02

  And there is no way to get around this idea that there's a fixed amount? Like, don't, uh, cause I always think, wasn't there a time where like the government would have been like, no, there's no more gold to back these dollars. And then they just like, made up a new system where they could print it. Is there a way that like,

• 1:22:13Speaker 03

  Oh, of course.

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  But like, actually, well, you're now making new Bitcoins and then the whole system is fucked.

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  If I remember correctly, over the last 25 years, gold has outperformed the stock market. So even though they took away the gold's like reliance to the dollar or the relationship there, gold is more valuable today. Right? When they, when they took off the gold standard, if I remember correctly, I think it was at like $35 an ounce.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  It crossed over 5,000. Now it's just come down a little bit, but like.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Insane.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  Right? So it's just like, if you, you know, look, I, I give boomers a lot of shit. They give millennials a lot of shit. So it's kinda, you know, this like love hate relationship, whatever. But like, if you're just 50 years ago, bought a house and bought gold and chilled, like dude, you're, you're a genius, right? So like, I'll leave you with this. You know what, uh, investment strategy I think is highly underrated and will be very valuable in the future? Hit me. The crazy uncle portfolio.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:23:03Speaker 03

  When you go to Thanksgiving dinner, what does your crazy uncle talk about? Land, guns, Bitcoin and gold.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Those are the four.

• 1:23:12Speaker 03

  Buy them up, baby. And government ain't gonna get my guns, right? I'm like, get on my land, right? Like, like those four things are probably gonna do incredibly well.

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  It's so funny to think about those guys also being in Bitcoin, being like, it's my guns and also I got my little seed phrase to keep my Bitcoins safe.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Dude, a hundred percent, right? So it's like.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  I got my wallet that I put it in. Yeah. So.

• 1:23:31Speaker 03

  All right. KFC Barstool on Instagram. That's where we're gonna send people. Appreciate it.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  Thank you, bro.