#994 Bruce Fenton On Running For Senator As A Bitcoiner

Bruce Fenton Is Running For United States Senator in the state of New Hampshire. In this conversation, we discuss Bruce's campaign, why we need more Bitcoiners in Congress, Bruce's reaction to Senator Lummis' Crypto Bill, why CBDCs are a threat to American citizens, and why Bitcoin represents free speech. ======================= Brave Wallet is the first secure crypto wallet built natively in a web3 crypto browser. No extension required. Store, manage, and grow your portfolio, get NFT & multi-chain support, and more. Download the Brave privacy browser at brave.com/Pomp, and click the wallet icon to get started. ======================= The Pomp Podcast is powered by BetOnline.ag, the world's largest sports betting, casino, poker and horse racing website that accepts cryptocurrency for wagering. BetOnline.ag gives you the ability to use Bitcoin and more than a dozen altcoins to make deposits and withdraw your winnings. There are no crypto transaction fees, and processing is instantaneous and secure. Visit https://promotions.betonline.ag/pomp and use PROMO CODE: POMP100 to receive a 100% matching bonus on any crypto deposit. BetOnline.ag is available in nearly every country around the world, making it the top global gaming destination for crypto users. =======================

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

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• 3:03Speaker 01

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• 3:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Bruce, how are you doing, buddy? Hey, Pop. How's it going? Great to see you. I know. I'm very excited about this. Let me start with, uh, how do you view Bitcoin and politics today? We obviously are recording this on the day that Senator Lummis and Senator Gilderbrand come together with bipartisan legislation and they want to pull Bitcoin and digital assets further into kind of regulatory clarity and the financial system. What's your read on the relationship between, you know, politics and this corner of?

• 4:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Finance in Bitcoin and crypto.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  Well, it's certainly getting, you know, more and more intertwined. I mean, I think that struck a lot of us who've been in the space a while, you know, you down in Miami that, for example, there was an event. Senator Lummis was there. I was there. Blake Masters, several other candidates. I think there was probably over a dozen candidates for federal office that were there. And a few other people who already hold office, a couple of congress members and at least one senator, Senator Lummis. So, and then there's the mayors there, of course. So it's, it's quite intertwined. I'm not sure that's a good thing. I think there's a lot of politicians. Who kind of jump into this because they see it as a fundraising opportunity or whatever. And, you know, overall, I'm against regulation, obviously. So I'm not a fan of politicians meddling in this business.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  But it is certainly an interesting phenomenon to see how they've, you know, you know, kind of integrated into this space.

• 4:50Anthony Pompliano?

  How could people evaluate candidates in terms of who actually understands what they're talking about and who doesn't? And I won't put you on the spot. I'll throw out a candidate that I had high hopes for. And maybe has disappointed, which is the New York City mayor. So the mayor of, you know, one of the largest cities. Came out, said he was going to take paycheck in Bitcoin, saying, you know, a lot of the right things. I think people were like, oh, okay. This is a big switch for New York City from where they were. Gets in office and then almost immediately starts talking about, you know, proof of work is stupid and, you know. Obviously gets a viewpoint that shows he doesn't really understand the value of the technology, doesn't understand how it works.

• 5:32Anthony Pompliano?

  So what's your suggestion to folks in terms of the framework they could use to analyze a political candidate? Or the ability for them to understand who actually understands this and has kind of the right thought process or not?

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that you need to analyze candidates based on what their fundamental principles are. And ideally, it's interesting. Ideally, they wouldn't need to know about it. Somebody. The other day was talking about an entirely different industry and, you know, asking, you know, how much knowledge they should have. Really politicians shouldn't need to know anything. Ideally, they should just mind our own business because the people in Washington DC aren't going to know what Jesse Powell or Brian Armstrong or Sam are doing better than those people are doing. The people who are leading industries, you know, the people who are CEOs and business owners, small business owners, larger business owners, individual workers, they're the ones who should be making the decisions about their own industry. So ideally you have politicians that, you know, don't really even need to

• 6:30Speaker 02

  know. They shouldn't need to know what's going on in Bitcoin. They should just say it's none of our business. Let those Bitcoiners do their thing. Let the crypto people do their thing. Let the Ethereum's and the XRP's. Let everybody do their thing. You know, it's not government's place to interfere. So that's what I would look for. And that's what I would look for in a candidate. That's what I look for when I vote and when I support other candidates. I look for people who have a, you know, fundamental moral philosophy of peace and non-intervention and not having government in our business. So it's a fundamental belief. And that would have been obvious with Adams from New York. You know, it was very clear that he's a tyrant authoritarian statist, you know, so I didn't buy him for one second when he said he was a Bitcoiner. I think it's fundamentally ideologically opposed. And, you know, he was in favor of all kinds of movement passes and, you know,

• 7:12Speaker 02

  mask mandates and these kinds of things. So it shouldn't surprise people at all because he doesn't have that, you know, fundamental, you know, moral foundation that you should have if you're running for office.

• 7:21Anthony Pompliano?

  When you start to think about regulation, you've mentioned a couple of times that politicians should stay out of it. I think the counter argument from a politician that wants to be very heavily involved is something like Terra or Luna, maybe some of the rug poles in the DeFi world, etc. How do you balance what I would label as more of a libertarian view on keep government out of this stuff, which I think is probably the dominant viewpoint of people in the Bitcoin community with many of the, you know, kind of outlier catastrophes that have occurred in the larger crypto ecosystem?

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Like, how do you just balance those two things? Yeah, so the first thing is, you know, these tragedies are terrible. You know, people lose a lot of money. Sometimes they lose their life savings. In some cases, you know, people lose their lives over it. You know, it's a very, very serious thing. But there's, there's two things to think about. One, does, can the regulation stop these things? You know, can regulation prevent another Luna? I would say probably not because Bernie Madoff was the biggest fraud of all time. And he was head of the largest regulator. So there's people who are regulated. There's all kinds of frauds, Enron and other things. So there's a lot of overhead for these regulations and it's not really clear. It's not like we have a world where we choose either, you know, no regulations or we have regulations and everything is fine. You know, everything is not fine with regulations. We still have fraud, but we still, but we have this also huge, huge, huge burden

• 8:44Speaker 02

  on society and on businesses. So I would prefer to not have the regulations. And the way, will, will there be drawbacks of that? Sure, but there's a lot of advantages. You know, about half of the industry spends about half of its time dealing with compliance and lawyers. You talk to many CEOs, just as I do all the time. And, uh, you know, you know, that a big chunk of their time is focused with lawyers and, and compliance, and that's a shame. Now that's a drain on our economy. So people should be able to have a bit more freedom. You know, there's some drawbacks of that. You'll have bad things happen, but you'll also have bad things happen. If you have people like Madoff and other politicians and other people trying to run your lives, you'll also have bad things happen. So either way, you're going to have bad things happen. I prefer a market system where things like Luna can reset.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  You know, people would not, if you put 2016 or 17 white paper and tried to market it right now, it wouldn't work because the market is regulated itself. And although they've tried Luna two, I don't think that'll work too much. And I know that we won't see Luna three, um, unless they really clean up their act and the market believes it, you know? So the market is a very, very efficient regulator in many ways. And that's the regulator that I prefer.

• 9:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Talk to me about central bank digital currencies, right? You're running for political office. It seems like central banks and politicians around the world get super excited like, oh, that Bitcoin thing. That's really cool. Let's just take the same technology and create our own. How do you view central bank digital currencies? Is that something the US government should get involved in? Or should they stay out of it?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  They should stay out of it. They are central bank digital currencies are, and I'm really glad you asked this because this is important. Central bank digital currencies are a really, really serious problem. Everybody, not just crypto people, especially crypto people, we need to be sounded alarm. We need to be telling our neighbors and our friends, say, hey, remember you listened, didn't or didn't listen to us about Bitcoin many years ago or whatever? You gotta listen to us now about CBDCs because they represent one of the greatest threats to freedom and human freedom. And the future that we've ever seen and it, and it's very sneaky. It's not in the form of a tank. It's not somebody putting a gun in your face.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  But what it is, is it represents the power of government and officials who have already shown their desire to censor people and their willingness to be authoritarian. It gives them the power to shut off our money. And in a digital world, the kind of world that we're in now, that's a power that we cannot allow politicians to have. If we allow them to have that power, it's game over. We lose our freedom. We lose our country because we're simply one bad politician away. And there's people, whether you're right or left, whether your nightmare is Pelosi or Trump. Whoever that politician is you like, you dislike, picture somebody even worse than them. If they have the power of a CBDC where they can shut off your money, that means no protesting. It means I can't pay my internet. I can't be on your show.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  It means game over. They could completely and totally quell protest and quell speech and movement and activities and all kinds of other things. So we just can't give them that power. We doesn't matter how good they are, doesn't matter how much you like them. We can never, ever give them that power. We cannot give them that power because if they have it, it's too great of a power for politicians to have. So I'm really, really. Against CBDCs, I'd like to fight them.

• 11:55Anthony Pompliano?

  What do you think is the way to fight them? Is it just free market competition and Bitcoin becomes superior and adopted globally and then the CBDCs end up not being valuable? Do you think there's regulations that should be put forward that they can't actually go and create it? Like, how do you put obstacles in the way of CBDCs or stop them?

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we certainly, hopefully Bitcoin is better money and that wins out eventually.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  You could actually have regulations to prevent them. The kind of things that I would sponsor or support if I'm elected would prevent. We cannot allow a money that has built-in ability for government to shut it down. We just can't. So that would be something that should be illegal in the United States. The United States government should not have the ability. They don't have the ability right now with the dollar. So this would be a new power that they would have. I would be absolutely, completely adamantly against any bill that was trying to add that. And I'd probably even take the extra step of certainly being willing to vote for or even sponsor legislation that said you can't do it. So you have a, you know, I have legislation that says, you know, government absolutely can never shut your money off and they can never track. It doesn't matter who you are or why, or if you're terrorist, or whatever horrible thing they're going to come up

• 13:04Speaker 02

  with as an excuse of why, cannot allow it. We just can't allow government to have that power. It's too much power for them to have. And I don't trust them. And I think anybody who does trust them right now is crazy. So especially these days.

• 13:15Anthony Pompliano?

  When you look at the Russia-Ukraine situation, obviously, there's been a lot of financial sanctions that have been levied. One, what's your kind of read on that? But also, two, is that a nail in the coffin for the US dollar as a global reserve currency, once other nation-states realize that the US will use these powers to sanction them and cut them off from the financial system on a US dollar basis?

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, money needs to be fungible. So, you know, being shut off, that's a problem. And that's another problem with CBDCs on a global level. So I don't know if it's the nail in the coffin. There's a lot of nails in a very big coffin that's been getting a lot of nails in it for a long time. There's been a lot of problems with the dollar reckless spending reckless printing of new money going back to 2008. You know, giving billions and trillions to bankers and cronies and foreign misadventures all over the world wasting trillion dollars. You know, droning and killing people, you know, very, very, very bad policies. So there's, there's a lot of problems and the, the world for a long time, you know, since our invasion of Iraq.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  We've been on a decline in some ways, you know, the lot of, a lot of the world is not happy about having the, the dollar be a reserve currency. And frankly, the dollar just isn't as good as it was. It's, it's, it's a, it's a crappy coin, you know, it's a, it's, it's, you know, they're printing it from thin air. The supply is, you know, not properly controlled. So, so yeah, that's a problem. And overall with sanctions, I'm against sanctions in general. People should be able to make the trades that they want. It's not government's job to decide who can trade with who. If, if, if individual citizens don't want to deal with Ukraine or don't want to do with Russia, or they don't want to deal with Israel or Saudi Arabia or Taiwan or China, that should be up to the individual citizen.

• 15:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. When, when you start to think about Bitcoin, obviously Bitcoin is this decentralized digital money. I continue to say that Bitcoin is protected under free speech software. Software is free speech, EEF and many others. I think it's the Bernstein versus the Department of Justice is the kind of landmark case. Is that one, is that your read that Bitcoin is free speech and protected?

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I quoted that exact, the exact case before Bitcoin is speech. Here's a neat thing. Four years ago, four years ago, the city of Plattsburgh, New York, said that they were going to ban Bitcoin mining and I warned it. You can see my tweets on this. I warned, I said, well, what if, I said right in the tweet thread, I said, well, what if, what if they, town claims to do it, next what? Then the state is going to complain, you know, claim the right to do it. I challenged it. I was with the Bitcoin. Foundation at the time as a volunteer. Uh, I, I served as both executive director and board member. I think I was probably board member. And I wrote a letter to Plattsburgh and I said, is the, the law defined, they, they said, we're going to outlaw Bitcoin mining. Cause they're in a town that had some issue with a power plant or whatever. And they had Bitcoin miners that came in there.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Were taking advantage of that power. And they said, we're going to ban Bitcoin mining. And I looked at the law and it defined mining as three or more computers. So I wrote him a letter. I said, well, if I come there with, with three raspberry pies, uh, are you going to arrest me? I mean, what are you going to do? Am I in violation of your rule if I carry them in my suitcase? You know, and, uh, you know, maybe, maybe one of those has, maybe I put Shakespeare on the blockchain. You know, maybe I just like looking at a blockchain, you know, that's my right. You don't need to do that because the court case Bernstein already shows code is speech. It's not the government's job to decide which speech is which. These ones and zeros in the Bitcoin code are every valuable is Shakespeare. Uh, and to many Bitcoiners, they're just as valuable as any book there is.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  And that's our right. That's our right, just as much as it's our right to read the Quran or read the Bible. Uh, or read Shakespeare and we can write and read that code. And that's our, our right as Americans. That's a human right. And, and for somebody to say that, you know, people with, um, you know, fancy titles in a fancy office have the right to say that you can't run the code or read the code that you want to run on your computer is absurd. So absolutely it's a free speech issue and it's something that we've got to protect. And I hope that this New York, uh, decision gets overturned, um, by the courts and it should.

• 17:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Talk to me about Bitcoin mining. You mentioned New York, uh, trying to, uh, put a moratorium, maybe as their latest, uh, um, uh, effort. And that moratorium is on new miners who are not a hundred percent renewable is basically what they're trying to target. Uh, the fifth amendment gives right, the, uh, people, the right to private property. Do you think that Bitcoin is protected under the fifth amendment? Uh, and mining is basically the ability for someone to secure. And protect that private property?

• 17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think that so your property is also your miners, you know, the computers. And you you have a right in America to own a computer. And you can run whatever software you want on it. You can type whatever words you want. And there was a person named Satoshi many years ago who typed some words, some words and some numbers. And I like that person. And I'm going to run that person's software and you're not going to stop me. You know, that's it.

• 18:17Anthony Pompliano?

  So is the thought process that these types of efforts at the state level eventually get struck down as unconstitutional? Like, like, play this out for me in terms of

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Certainly should.

• 18:26Anthony Pompliano?

  How it plays out.

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Certainly should. It's a it's a very, very solid case for speech. Because what is a Bitcoin mind? You're running the software and you can do that right on. I mean, you could. I think you could do it on your phone if you're a little bit clever. You can certainly do it on a Raspberry Pi. You're not going to get many Bitcoin doing it that way. You're not going to get any, but you you can run that software. And software is words and numbers. And the Bernstein decision says that it's speech because clearly it is. Words and numbers are speech. And in America, we have a right to to to print speech and running speech, you know, running a, you know, compiler or hitting execute or running an executable file, that that's a form of speech, absolutely. And that's all it is. Now, this this particular speech, running this program

• 19:09Speaker 02

  throws off these weird do, you know, do hickey widget things called Bitcoin. Okay, I mean, that that's the thing that's within the code. That that's not, you know, that's not something that that because of that, it gives anybody any authority to say what speech you can have or what what you what kind of code you can run on your computer. So the whole thing is just absurd. And this is kind of a bigger issue with the overall creep that we see. We see with the S E S S E C with E S G. You know, initiatives, other initiatives where you have government trying to get more and more in the into the lives of people and businesses. Saying, well, you should run this software and this is okay. And it's not a waste to watch porn or Netflix or the Kardashians.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  But it is a waste to run this ledger verification thing that you want to run or or whatever. And and these kind of things just don't have a place in a free society.

• 19:59Anthony Pompliano?

  About ESG, you mentioned ESG and there's a debate. Some people think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and we should all change our lives because of the feel-good ESG story. There's other people who think it's absolute bullshit and a complete scam. Where are you on that spectrum and how do you see Bitcoin interacting or related to ESG initiatives?

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm concerned about it because it's a way for government and other authorities. I mean, the people who say they like ESG, that's great. People should be able to do and like whatever they want. Any business should be able to have whatever kind of screens or

• 20:32Speaker 02

  you know, business style that they want and people should be able to buy and invest in that business or deal with that business. But what we're seeing with ESG is kind of a very heavy-handed top down and in many cases, government-driven initiative. And you have government initiatives, you know, the SEC has also had diversity initiatives. Now, now they want to know who is on your board and these things. And many of these things are well-meaning, but they interfere with governance and the way that things should work in the, in the world. We shouldn't have government authorities who are able to come in and make these kind of decisions and

• 21:04Speaker 02

  you know, tell people how to run their business, you know, that, that's just not a workable system. You know, it might sound good, it might even have, you know, well-intentioned goals. Like diversity is in many cases a well-intentioned goal. It's not the play of government to do that because then you end up with, with power brokers and tyrants in charge. And you end up with, you know, kind of different sets of rules for different people and all kinds of other problems that you see in failed economies and authoritarian states. So I'm very, very concerned and, and it is all encompassing. You know, environment, social and governance, if you, you can put pretty much any aspect of a company into one of those boxes. And claim controls and they do have that now with, with official, uh, public company filings and these kind of things.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  There's quite a bit of control that doesn't have to do with necessarily what the people running the business want to do. Uh, and that's, that's wrong. Uh, businesses should be run by the people that run them and those decisions should ultimately may be made by the shareholders.

• 21:58Anthony Pompliano?

  What is the Bitcoin critic's greatest argument? Like if you were the critic and you had to argue them better than they argue themselves, like what do you think has? Uh, validity to it.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  That's a great one. Best critic. I would say, I mean, for Bitcoin specifically, I've always, and this is, I've gotten a lot of flack from this. I deleted a tweet one time because I had so much flack. It wasn't because I got the flack, but because I think it was really misunderstood. But what I said was something about, uh, you know, self custody. I've, I've been in Bitcoin a long, long time, but I came from traditional finance where we never did custody. Uh, when I was a little, little kid, my mom's brokerage office was robbed by an armed robbery. And that was probably one of the last times a brokerage office was, was robbed. I don't think you've seen broker, brokerage firms robbed since the sixties or seventies. Um, nobody robs Merrill Lynch or Robin Hood, uh, because there's no actual money there. It's all electronic. Um, sorry, what was the, I lost.

• 22:53Anthony Pompliano?

  What do you think is, what do you think is the best critique of Bitcoin?

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Oh, right. So the critique is, is about the, um, you know, the custody, you know, and coming from the investment world, I, you know, I'm not, I'm just not comfortable with it. I've never been comfortable with it. Um, probably much technically advanced than sort of your average person, not your average person in, maybe your average person in Bitcoin, but certainly I'm not, I'm not like a developer or something. I'm, I'm pretty techie, you know, compared to, you know, whatever most average folks, but I've never been comfortable with the level of risk with, you know, self custody, the fact that you can, that, that you can lose your money, that it can be, uh, you know, there's different ways people can get it and there's risks and a lot of people who've been around a long time have seen different things happen. So, you know, that is a concern and I, I, I'm really optimistic about companies like CASA and others who, you know, the whole bunch of smart companies have been working on solving this problem, but I, I don't think we're quite, quite there yet.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  We're not to the point where me as an investment advisor, remember I managed my own money, but also other people's money where I could be com- totally comfortable, totally comfortable, um, with, with the custody thing. I do lose a lot of sleep about it. I worry about it and it stresses getting a land. So I'd say that's a valid, a valid concern.

• 24:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. It's, uh, it's one of those that I think, uh, is so well accepted in the Bitcoin community, self custody, that, uh, that, that having you ask that, uh, and kind of question it, uh, is interesting. Um, when you think about where Bitcoin is today, uh, I think that you got into Bitcoin. In like 2011, 2012. What's the thing that has surprised you the most over the last decade?

• 24:27Speaker 02

  That's a good one. It's funny, you know, a lot of it was more like 2012, 2012, 13. By 13, I was full time. And a lot of us talked about kind of it becoming global money. They'd say, you know, maybe it'll hit 3,000 or 5,000 or 10,000. But it's been very interesting to to actually see it happen. And I pictured it would be very, very big. I got in real early, you know, like I said, I jumped in full time. It was it was a nothing industry that back then, but I thought it was going to be a big industry. But now it's quite a different thing, you know, you you go to giant events that I go to and it's just something. Yeah, the the scope and scale, I think, has just been amazing to see firsthand, you know, to to see that the

• 25:13Speaker 02

  the number of companies and also the money, you know, some of these companies are just so huge. It's really interesting to see coming from like a startup environment, which is what the entire space was. I mean, it was really an experiment in those early days, you know, there was a lot of people who weren't even doing it for business. They were just doing because they thought it was cool. And then there's a few people thinking like, oh, maybe I'll make some money on this. I'll make some, you know, and it's and it's kind of sad. You look at the businesses, they're like, oh, I'll make T-shirts or I'll make pins or I'll make an exchange, you know, different decisions that people could have made early in those early days. You know, you some of the startups, you could have invested things, you know, that that that's really, it's really been fun. It's been a great, great journey to watch this unfold.

• 25:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Talk to me. My last question for you is around the Senate race. What are the odds you win? What are the the other candidates? What what's kind of the breakdown of of your specific race?

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I've got great chances because the incumbent is very weak. Her name's Maggie Hassan. She's a Democrat. She's only served one term. She only won by 1,000 votes last time. And there was another candidate in that race who got 17,000 votes and he endorsed me the first day that I announced. So, you know, definitely the votes are there. You know, she's very unpopular. A lot of Democrats are, you know, unfortunately for them are very unpopular right now because, you know, of the view that their their policies have failed and and that Joe Biden has failed. And I think her policies have certainly failed. This is a sort of purple state. It's gone back and forth. It's, you know, more red, I think than blue. So that's another reason it could shift.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  And then for the primary, so I've got to win the primary and the general, but what I can bring to it that no other candidate can is I think I have the broadest appeal. There's actually some Democrats that support me because I'm anti-war and against the drug war. Pro-gay marriage. I'm, you know, very socially liberal on many things as a libertarian. And then I can bring in certainly the, I should get all of them and, and I should get a lot of independents. And I, and I would get all the Republicans as well, even those that are a little, you know, cautious about some of my stances. So I think I have the broadest appeal and I think that this is what America needs right now.

• 27:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh, where can we send people to find you on the internet?

• 27:18Speaker 02

  So, uh, BruceFenton.com is my website. And, uh, you know, that's my Twitter handle and my main, um, you know, social media, Bruce Fenton. You know, I've got videos on YouTube on most of the things out there.

• 27:30Anthony Pompliano?

  There we go. So at Bruce Fenton on Twitter, BruceFenton.com, beautiful website right there. Cypher punk capitalist.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  About the connection.

• 27:39Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, Bruce, I appreciate you coming on.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 27:43Anthony Pompliano?

  For forever and always.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  All right. Well, thank you very much.

• 27:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Bitcoin OG, running for senate in New Hampshire. Best of luck, my friend, and we will talk soon.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Thank you very much. You have a good one.

• 27:54Anthony Pompliano?

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