Pod Insights The Pomp Podcast #881 Mine Bitcoin Now, Pay Later w/ Wit Gibbs & Zain Allarakhia About this episode Zain Allarakhia is the Founder & CTO of Pipe. Whit Gibbs is the CEO of Compass Mining In this conversation, we talk about the brand new partnership with Pipe and Compass Mining that allows users to finance Bitcoin mining equipment using Pipe's innovative recurring revenue marketplace. This allows anyone to get involved with Bitcoin mining right away. Zain also explains Pipes market disrupting technology and how it works from the users perspective. ======================= Since 2018 Copper has been at the forefront of institutional digital asset development. From award winning custody solutions, to creating the first truly off-exchange settlement function, Copper pioneers technology, products, and services, in lock-step with a rapidly changing world. No other infrastructure provider covers as many assets, across as many exchanges, with the speed and security that Copper can offer. To learn how Copper helps the world’s largest institutional investors secure their digital assets, head over to copper.co Copper - the unfair advantage. ======================= Compass Mining is the world's first online marketplace for bitcoin mining hardware and hosting. Compass was founded with the goal of making it easy for everyone to mine bitcoin. Visit http://compassmining.io to start mining bitcoin today! ======================= Bullish is a powerful new digital asset exchange built for institutions that delivers the innovations of DeFi in a regulated environment. The Bullish Hybrid Order Book pairs the high-performance of a traditional Central Limit Order Book with automated market making. Powered by deep Bullish Liquidity Pools, backed by the multi-billion dollar Bullish Treasury. So, you can trade with certainty and at scale across variable market conditions. Learn more at Bullish.com or follow @Bullish on Twitter. Because the future belongs to the bullish. *Not investment advice. Digital assets and cryptocurrencies are high risk products. Consult your professional advisor before dealing in them. Bullish’s services are available in select locations only and not to U. S persons. Visit https://bullish.com/legal for important information and risk warnings ======================= The Pod Pro Cover by Eight Sleep is the most advanced solution on the market for thermoregulation. It pairs dynamic cooling and heating with biometric tracking. Go to https://www.eightsleep.com/Pomp to check out the Pod Pro Cover and save $150 at checkout. Eight Sleep currently ships within the USA, Canada, and the UK.
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0:02 Anthony Pompliano? What's up everyone, this is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Wit Gibbs is the founder of Compass Mining and Zain Al-Raqai is the founder of Pipe. In this conversation, we talk about the brand-new partnership between these two companies that will allow people to actually finance mining equipment using Pipe's innovative recurring revenue marketplace. Ultimately, I think that there is going to be a ton of innovation around these technologies. Pipe is leading the way on creating a brand-new asset class and Compass Mining is providing a brand-new way for anyone in the world to get in the mining game. I really enjoyed this conversation with both Wit and Zain,
0:46 Anthony Pompliano? but before we get into it, I first want to talk about our sponsors. Today's episode is brought to you by Copper. Since 2018, Copper has been at the forefront of institutional digital asset development. From award-winning custody solutions to creating the first truly off-exchange settlement function, Copper pioneers technology, products, and services in lockstep with a rapidly changing world. No other infrastructure provider covers as many assets across as many exchanges with the speed and security that Copper can offer. To learn how Copper helps the world's largest institutional investors secure their digital assets, head over to copper.co. Again, Copper, the unfair advantage. Check them out at copper.co today. Next up is Compass Mining. Compass Mining is the world's largest
1:30 Anthony Pompliano? marketplace for mining hardware and hosting. With Compass, everyone can mine Bitcoin. Their team makes it easy to start mining wherever you want, at home or in one of their 23 hosting facilities around the world. Through the Compass Marketplace, retail miners can access mining hardware with similar prices and purchase plans as the world's largest mining companies. Compass miners own their machines, they choose whatever mining pool they want, and they mine directly to their own wallets. Miners who don't want to host their machines can order ASAP. Directly to their doorstep. Simple and low-cost hosting agreements coupled with best-in-class customer service are the reasons why Compass is the simplest and most popular way to mine Bitcoin.
2:12 Anthony Pompliano? Start mining your own Bitcoin today by visiting compassmining.io. Again, compassmining.io. Go check them out and let me know what you think. This episode is brought to you by Bullish. Bullish is a powerful new digital asset exchange built for institutions that delivers the innovations of DeFi in a regulated environment. The Bullish hybrid order book pairs the high performance of a traditional central limit order book with the automated market making powered by deep Bullish liquidity pools backed by the multi-billion dollar Bullish treasury. So you can trade with certainty and at scale across variable market conditions. You can learn more at bullish.com or follow bullish on Twitter because the future belongs to the bullish. Now, this is not investment advice. Digital assets and cryptocurrencies are high-risk products.
2:56 Anthony Pompliano? Consult your professional advisor before dealing in them. Bullish's services are available in select locations only and not to U.S. persons. Visit bullish.com/legal for important information and risk warnings. Go check them out at bullish.com or follow at bullish on Twitter. All right, let's get into this episode. I hope you guys enjoy this one.
3:14 Speaker 01 Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.
3:37 Anthony Pompliano? Zane, how are you? Good, how are you? Good to be on. I know, dude, I'm super excited about this. As many people in the audience know, Pipe is one of my favorite companies because it is just absolute savages it takes to create a business where you create an entirely new asset class from scratch and then not only create the asset class, but then scale it to the size you guys have scaled it in such a short period of time. So maybe let's start first with just like, what is Pipe? And how do you guys think about this creation? Of a new asset class around recurring revenue.
4:09 Speaker 02 Absolutely. Well, thank you for the kind words. Honestly, I would say the way to think about pipe is it's a way for companies to get non-dilutive financing through selling their recurring revenue. Because if you think about it, when you close a deal, that's for a certain amount of dollars per quarter or per month, you're basically minting a fixed income asset. And because we're able to underwrite it on the asset level, on the contract level, we get better terms than oftentimes venture debt. And the way we look at it is that if you have a growing company and you're, you have high revenue retention, you have a solid runway, there's no need to dilute your company as a first resort to getting financing to acquire cohorts of customers or invest in R and D or anything like that.
4:55 Anthony Pompliano? So when you think about this, there's obvious reasons. And for those that don't know, I think I want to hang my hat on the fact that I was the very first person to ever pipe Substack revenue, where I took the recurring revenue, I piped it, I got, I don't know, 90 something cents on the dollar. And then I took that and I went and I bought Bitcoin. And the whole idea was I could basically pull future cash flow into the present day and then use that for whatever purposes I want. And I chose to go buy Bitcoin. But that was done via what I'm going to call the marketplace, right? Kind of the first project you guys launched. You're now launching an API and explain the difference between like the marketplace via the API and why are you guys creating this API?
5:37 Speaker 02 Absolutely. So they're actually connected. So the API is created because there's a lot of businesses that have recurring revenue that are not built on Stripe subscription billing or QuickBooks invoicing, or something that has an API that we can connect to and pull your data out. So this is trying to serve companies that don't have one of the integrations we support and want pipe to be part of their capital stack. So what we, we let people directly plug into pipe and send us their data. And then we triangulate it with their bank accounts data and their accounting data to ensure it's fully accurate, fraud proof. And then we Let people trade those revenue streams.
6:19 Anthony Pompliano? Got it. And so the first, at least customer that you guys are publicly talking about is Compass Mining. It's going to use this API to allow people to mine now, pay later, which is just a great name. Explain what's happening here in terms of folks who want to mine cryptocurrency. How are they interacting with the API? And what does this allow Compass to do for their customers that they previously couldn't do?
6:42 Speaker 02 For sure. So before I even go there, I think one thing to note is that it's particularly interesting that it's connected to Bitcoin. Because we know fiat is inflationary, highly inflationary. And I think what you did was a pretty smart and epic move. And I think because, you know, if you have the supply of fiat constantly going up and you have a fixed supply of Bitcoin, it makes a lot of sense. And that's why we're excited about this vertical partnership with Compass. And so what we've done here is Compass sells their hardware on installment payments. And that's basically recurring revenue on Compass's books. They then can register that through the API and then trade that like you did on the marketplace.
7:23 Speaker 02 And through that, they're able to offer, extend that financing to the customers.
7:28 Anthony Pompliano? And so when they
7:29 Speaker 02 That purchase the hardware.
7:30 Anthony Pompliano? Yeah. And so when they do this, basically what Compass is doing, to be clear here, is the API itself is not crypto specific in any way. Any business in the world could go and use this API. But Compass is using it very specifically because mining has this almost recurring revenue type model to it. And they're able to actually leverage this API to allow customers to come in, get access to financing, start mining, and then over time, pay it off. But it's non-dilutive as well and acts almost more like a debt offering than it does any sort of equity dilution.
8:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly. So there's no crypto moving on, on pipe. We're just literally the, the, the capital US dollar based. I think Compass is a particularly good use case, but we're vendor, we're industry agnostic. So we have D to C companies that sell recurring subscriptions. We have SaaS. We have insurance companies. We have pro sports, et cetera, et cetera. Like we're industry agnostic. We actually like the diversification because it, it makes our buy side, the investors purchasing these assets really happy that They get really diversified on pipe.
8:40 Anthony Pompliano? Got it. And so when you start to think about, uh, Compass, they've been doing this for a while internally is my understanding of using this to essentially help finance the miners. What had they been doing there?
8:52 Speaker 02 So you're saying how had Compass been using this? I think it's, it's when, uh, when somebody makes a hardware purchase that they can't pay for upfront, or they don't want to for any reason.
9:02 Speaker 02 They get into this installment agreement with Compass and Compass then takes those installment payments and sells those revenue streams on pipe. So that they can purchase the hardware from Bitmain or whatever supplier they're working with. And, and purchase the machine, send it to the customer and then, uh, they're made whole. And then pipe ends up collecting the monthly installments. Uh, and those are the fixed income streams that go to our investors, uh, the buy side and, and that spread is their yield.
9:33 Anthony Pompliano? Got it. And so when you think about this idea for pipe, who's on the other side? Like who's buying, uh, the actual, uh, recurring revenue streams, right? So when I went and I did the, the Substack revenue or somebody does the mining, is this like Joe Blow down the street? Is this, you know, sovereign wealth funds? Is it anyone in between? How, how do I think about who's buying it?
9:51 Speaker 02 It's a mix. So there's hedge funds, there's family offices, there's, uh, bank consortiums. I mean, we're offering a really attractive asset class. When you think about it, it, it has attractive yields. And it's tied directly to an end contract, uh, and it's super diversified, right? Like, uh, and, and unlike a corporate bond or something like that, these, these assets are not tied to general debt, general companies, company expenditures. This is tied to servicing a contract. Uh, and I think that's the key here. And imagining having a portfolio of future recurring revenue diversified across Bitcoin mining, SaaS, uh, insurance companies.
10:33 Speaker 02 Like this is the one of, this to me is the ultimate fixed income asset on planet earth right now.
10:38 Anthony Pompliano? Well, and when you especially look at the legacy fixed income assets that are absolutely in the toilet, right? I mean, just trash to put in your portfolio. This becomes even more attractive. Because there's the the desire in many cases to get fixed income exposure. But if the legacy opportunities don't look so hot, especially on a real return basis with 8% inflation. Now all of a sudden, something like Pipe steps in and says, hey, look, we can actually offer you an attractive way to get exposure to fixed income, but also, I would argue, in a risk mitigated way. Right? The risk mitigation actually is super interesting here. If you're buying up recurring revenue of a software contract or mining or something like that, compared to going and speculating on other types of debt opportunities.
11:24 Speaker 02 Hundred percent. And at the end of the day, like, is unattractive. I was listening to what you were saying earlier on the call. You know, as unattractive as holding fiat is, there's a world out there of banks, of all these
11:37 Speaker 02 neo-banks and things like that. They need to power their deposit yield. And this could be a part of that. I mean, we're for any institutional investor.
11:44 Anthony Pompliano? Yeah. Have you guys looked at, kind of on the mining side, what this looks like for for individuals? Are they able to expand how much Bitcoin hash rate they're able to get access to? Or like, what does that actually look like? If somebody uses Compass's offering of the Pipe API versus if they don't?
12:04 Speaker 02 I think Whit could answer that question. He just came on.
12:07 Speaker 03 Hey, everyone. How are we doing?
12:08 Anthony Pompliano? We're doing great. How are you, buddy?
12:10 Speaker 03 Good. Sorry for the delay, fellas.
12:12 Anthony Pompliano? No, you're all right. It's a big day for you guys. We were just talking real quick about the Compass customers as they use the Pipe API via your offering here. What does that look like in terms of what they're able to do that they previously weren't able to do?
12:27 Speaker 03 Yeah. So ultimately, when it comes down to it, they can get on the site and instead of buying one machine, they can, you know, leverage this this product that we've been able to launch with Pipe, our Compass payment plans, and buy two, three, four machines for $10,000 and spread the rest of those payments out over. You know, three, six, nine, or 12 months.
12:46 Anthony Pompliano? Got it. And so in that situation, obviously, the recurring nature of the revenue that comes from Bitcoin mining is really attractive, given Pipe's business model, and you guys understand that really well at Compass. Help me understand in terms of what does that do to the returns or the Bitcoin that is actually generated via the mining activity? Does this completely demolish it and make it less attractive? Or is it still, just given Bitcoin kind of mining environment today, it's still really attractive even with the payment plan?
13:14 Speaker 03 I mean, it's very attractive with the payment plan. If you think about it, more today is better than than more tomorrow when it comes to Bitcoin mining. So if you're looking at one ASIC that's going to generate you, let's call it $600 of Bitcoin a month, you can up that to $2,400 of Bitcoin a month for effectively the same entry price, and then just spread your payments out over the period of time to pay those machines off. So it can be very beneficial for miners.
13:37 Anthony Pompliano? Got it. I've got two of my brothers, Joe and John here. Joe, what question you got? Hey, guys, if you could just talk maybe at an overgeneralized sense of like, how this differs from traditional buy now, pay later programs and what you guys are doing that's maybe different for the average consumer?
13:51 Speaker 02 Absolutely, I can take that. I think the major difference is that because Pipe is underwriting things on the industry level, we're able to get better pricing. And because we're selling it to a consortium of investors that actively bid against each other, typically when we do this integration and we understand the business, we're able to get significantly better pricing than you would get with like a loan from a third party.
14:15 Speaker 03 And I mean, significant is an understatement, right? Like, when you're looking at a cost of capital, I mean, even for a lot of these large miners who are going out and getting deals with some of the people who are providing financing, you're looking at low teens for the cost of capital. You know, with us, we're somewhere between 7% and 10%, depending on the length of your payback term. And in some cases, it's even lower. So it's been very attractive. And our customers so far through the pilot programs have responded well to this option. Just in the first couple of days of offering this as a test through the Compass website, we saw about 18 million in piped, and that's what we call it, piped machines
14:59 Speaker 03 for those that went through the Pipe payment plan on the Compass website.
15:03 Anthony Pompliano? Wow, John, what do you got?
15:04 Speaker 04 Zane and Wit, I'm not sure which one can handle this a little bit better, but my question would be more about like the fees and the structure behind this financing and how that all works.
15:13 Speaker 02 Sure, I can take that one. What we do is we, Pipe doesn't, so this is the thing, it kind of ties back to the earlier question. Pipe doesn't profit, we're not a balance sheet lender, so we don't earn more money if we charge a higher rate. And pretty much every other lender on the planet Earth, or financer, they make more money the higher rate they charge. We're just simply a marketplace for this exchange. We charge a flat trade fee to our institutional investors. So institutional investors bid on the price, we walk in the best price, and we charge them a flat trade fee.
15:54 Anthony Pompliano? Yeah, this is fascinating. When you guys start to think about this, like, how big of size can people do something this? If I show up and, you know, I want to do $100,000 to buy mining rigs, that seems like that's pretty plausible here. But if I showed up, I say, I want to do $100 million of mining rigs, is that something that Compass could facilitate and also Pipe could facilitate?
16:13 Speaker 02 I mean, we have limits based on each company we work with, and we draw them up and down based on financial characteristics to be a good fiduciary to the investors, but I would say I think we can go higher for certain industries than others. I think Bitcoin mining is interesting because, you know, you have this hardware component, it makes it lower risk. So I couldn't comment on a specific trade limit, but we definitely try to scale up the longer we do business with someone, and the better we understand it.
16:45 Anthony Pompliano? Got it. And then Wit, if I step in and I'm like, yo, go get me as many machines as you can, how long is it going to take you till I can plug them in?
16:52 Speaker 03 So we have machines right now that you can plug in, and I think it's actually your home state of North Carolina. We've got some M30s that if you go to compassmining.io today, you can buy those and they'll be plugged in and online within 72 hours. Hours.
17:06 Anthony Pompliano? Wow. How much does that cost?
17:10 Speaker 03 The machines are listed for around $14,000.
17:13 Anthony Pompliano? So if we drop $14,000 today in 72 hours, we could be mining and there are $14,000. If we wanted to use the pipe API, what could we get for the $14,000? Let's, let's do a little deal here.
17:29 Speaker 03 Well, if you, if you just wanted to come in and do it with the pipe deal, then you could take that 14,000 instead of buying one machine, you could buy, call it three, uh, and then we could spread those payments out over three, nine or 12 months for you.
17:41 Anthony Pompliano? All right. And so if I got three machines now for the price of ones, like a, you know, a triple deal here, uh, how much Bitcoin am I going to be mining? Generally, given the, uh, the current difficulty in hash rate.
17:52 Speaker 03 Call it about $60 a day with all three machines. So 20, $20, uh, $20 of Bitcoin each day per machine.
17:58 Anthony Pompliano? All right. Joe's got his calculator out, ready to rock and roll. $60 times 30. Let's see here real quick. Hold on. Nobody, uh, nobody's getting off this call. So we get a deal done. So $1,800 per, uh, month, but then on top of that, uh, we would have to pay the payments. And Zane, do we have any idea in terms of, uh, if we piped that, what that would look like from, uh, how much pipe would be, uh, borrowing from us back to give to, uh, to investors?
18:28 Speaker 02 Sure. So how, what was the cost of each machine again, Whit?
18:31 Speaker 03 About 14,000.
18:32 Speaker 02 Okay. 14,000 and then let's say we're spreading it over 12 months.
18:36 Anthony Pompliano? If you're in the audience, you better not front run me. I don't want any front runners out here.
18:41 Speaker 02 I mean, it's too good of a deal. I, I feel bad saying it out loud. Now let's see. So it's 1166, then add the extra. Time. Yeah. It would cost you about 1,200 a month per machine. So for. All three thirty six hundred a month and you're yielding eighteen hundred a month, right? How much were you yielding with?
19:02 Anthony Pompliano? Yeah.
19:03 Speaker 02 So, uh, but the beauty is, is that you pay back, uh, you're done paying for it in twelve months. And after that, it's all pure profit for five years. So the analogy I like to think of.
19:16 Anthony Pompliano? So wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, because I'm not smart. You, you two are too smart for me. Hold on a second. So I'm generating eighteen hundred dollars in cash flow. How much am I paying of that eighteen hundred to pipe the revenue?
19:30 Speaker 02 I mean, uh, so.
19:31 Anthony Pompliano? Like, what do I get? Here, here's the short, this is like the dummy, this is the dummy version. How much money I get left over after this?
19:37 Speaker 03 So here's how you have to look at it though, right? Instead of buying, instead of paying, you know, forty thousand dollars upfront to buy those machines.
19:45 Anthony Pompliano? Correct.
19:45 Speaker 03 You're, you're paying fourteen thousand and you're starting to drive that, that revenue in. So you're going to get that eighteen hundred a month. You do have to pay for these machines each month.
19:53 Anthony Pompliano? Correct.
19:54 Speaker 03 So you're going to be paying twelve hundred dollars effectively per machine, per month as you start to pay that back. So you're still going to have your same ROI principles when it comes to, to Bitcoin mining. Only you're able to get in with more machines. You're still going to see an ROI on those machines, uh, over the course of, you know, twelve to sixteen months. But you're going to generate more Bitcoin upfront. So you're not waiting to generate more Bitcoin. Like a lot of people, they'll wait until they've raised more money or, or they've got more money so they can buy a new machine. Now you can start generating all of that Bitcoin, uh, from the get go. And if you want to get out of more of your dirty fiat, you can do that and just, you know, pay your, your pipe bill off with, uh, the fiat that you're generating from your day job every month and, um, and, and convert that into Bitcoin faster.
20:39 Anthony Pompliano? All right. So when I go and I do this, right? Let's say I do the fourteen thousand, I end up with three machines. Do I pay additional money every month? Or the money is coming out of the profits and that covers the, uh, the cost that I have on a monthly basis? Or am I basically paying on a monthly basis on top of the initial fourteen thousand dollar investment? And then after some point I break out and then it's profit?
21:00 Speaker 03 Uh, so the latter, we never touch your Bitcoins, so we're not deducting anything from your Bitcoin. You get all of your Bitcoin to your wallet, we bill you, you pay for it. So you're going to pay for your machines, you're going to pay for your power, just like you would if you bought your machine upfront from Compass. So none of that changes. It's just more Bitcoins going to be hitting your wallet every. Month for the same initial entry price.
21:19 Anthony Pompliano? Got it. That makes sense. So basically, there's a way for you to get more for less upfront, and then you still have the payment plan of paying it off. It's just that now it's a way to convert the actual Bitcoin into,
21:33 Anthony Pompliano? to get the Bitcoin into the wallet. And then if you're smart, no financial advice, but if you hold the Bitcoin rather than sell it, then that usually tends to be a pretty good idea.
21:40 Speaker 03 I mean, you're effectively mortgaging your ASIC, right? So you've got an income-producing vehicle in your ASIC that you've mortgaged. So you're just provide your, now you have access to these financial tools that have been available to other investors for a long time, that have not been available to retail miners until, you know, Pipe started off for them.
21:58 Anthony Pompliano? Yeah, that makes sense. This sounds really weird, but I have a friend, he's gonna kill me that I say something like I say his name. He recently told me that he bought a bull, like an actual, like, one-ton bull, with a couple of his friends. And I thought that was a cool investment, but I may have to divert my funds and not go buy a bull. And I may, uh, I may be coming back over here to this. All right. Where can we send people to find out more about this? If they want to go and learn more about it, or potentially participate and buy some machines?
22:26 Speaker 03 Zane, why don't you talk about Pipe first, and then I'll direct people to Compass?
22:30 Speaker 02 Sure. I mean, if you're interested in using the Pipe API, just sign up, get in touch, and I'd love to talk to you personally, or anyone on our team.
22:42 Speaker 02 This works for any industry, whether you're SaaS, Bitcoin mining, DTC, so please get in touch.
22:50 Anthony Pompliano? Awesome. And then, Whit, where should we send them to find out more about Compass?
22:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, if you want to buy machines today and get started mining in 72 hours, go to compassmining.io, click that hardware tab right up at the top. It'll take you to a selection of machines. Select the M30Ss in North Carolina, and we'll get you plugged in in 72 hours.
23:09 Anthony Pompliano? I love it. You guys are both legends. If you are interested in mining, go check out Compass Mining, and obviously- Sleep, uh, pipe.
23:17 Anthony Pompliano? User, raise your hand if you're a user. Yep, I'm a user. I went and I piped that. Wait, wait as well. Exactly. Uh, awesome, guys. Well, listen, thank you guys so much for coming on. I know this is huge news. You guys have been working on this for a while. So congrats on, uh, on the launch. And I'm super excited to see, uh, everyone's reaction. Uh, before I let you go, though, uh, I gotta ask, I, since the deal was so complex, so hard to do, so much hard work. One of our sponsors is Eight Sleep and I sleep like a baby on the cold mattress. Do either one of you use an Eight Sleep? Or are you guys, uh, changing your sleep schedule at all?
23:52 Speaker 02 Are you, are you asking? I, I don't use an Eight Sleep, but I'd love to try.
23:58 Anthony Pompliano? Zane, buy one, man. Come on. Pipe's like a worth a gazillion dollars. Let's go.
24:05 Speaker 02 I, I still sleep on the mattress I had 10 years ago. So, uh, moved, yeah, anyways. But any last thing, yeah, I will say the last thing, pipe.com/miami, check it out.
24:16 Anthony Pompliano? Oh, amazing, amazing. All right. Uh, wait, any, uh, any movement on your sleep schedule?
24:23 Speaker 03 I'm excited to get more sleep. I'm still trying to get the family out of Eastern Europe right now. So, uh, I'll sleep more when I'm over in the United States again, safe and sound.
24:33 Anthony Pompliano? All right. I appreciate both of you guys. Uh, anyone who's interested also, uh, I just got told we have a URL. We're special, pipe.com/pomp. You can go check that out too. Yeah, look at that.
24:47 Anthony Pompliano? By the way, that just means that we're ballers over here. So, uh, you can go check out pipe.com/pomp as well. Uh, all right, guys, I appreciate you guys jumping on and, uh, we'll definitely have to get a, uh, update a couple of months from now to see how, uh, how people have been using this so far.
25:01 Speaker 03 Thank you, gentlemen.
25:02 Anthony Pompliano? All right, later, folks.
25:03 Speaker 02 Take care. Bye.
25:04 Anthony Pompliano? Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I really hope you guys enjoyed this one. Make sure you subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. And if you're looking to try to transition to get a new job in the Bitcoin or crypto industry, we've got you covered. Head over to pompscryptocourse.com. We've developed a curriculum with the top teams across the industry. It's a three-week intensive training program with over 50 events packed into that three-week time period. Go to pompscryptocourse.com to learn more and I'll meet you guys for the next episode.
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