Hunter Biden on Bitcoin, the Laptop, Trump & His Next Chapter

Hunter Biden is an attorney, artist, writer, and the son of former President Joe Biden. In this conversation, we break down why he believes in bitcoin, the problem with money printing, and his biggest critiques of both the Biden and Trump administrations. We also discuss his recovery from addiction, AI, the launch of his Laptop token, and whether he would ever run for President. ======================== Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy! ======================== Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/pomp ======================== Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital. ======================== 0:00 - Intro1:12 - Does Hunter Biden own bitcoin?5:46 - Biggest critiques of the Biden & Trump administrations8:32 - Biggest positives of each administration10:53 - Anything nice to say about Trump?14:29 - Staying silent through the attacks & addiction recovery19:58 - Would Hunter Biden run for president?23:59 - Leaving the Democratic Party & voting independent25:50 - AI: doomer or accelerationist?36:30 - What is the Laptop token?42:28 - Owning "Hunter Biden's laptop"44:31 - Rapid fire questions

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• 0:56Speaker 02

  They've made it basically impossible for us to be able to come to any agreement on the Clarity Act based upon the ethics. As much as he's promised to be the crypto president, I think that he's done more harm than good.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  When's the last time you talked to somebody in the Trump family?

• 1:12Speaker 02

  I think never.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  Wow, you don't think you've ever talked to them?

• 1:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  Was the cocaine in the White House yours? What's going on, guys? Today, we have an absolutely ridiculous conversation. It is with Hunter Biden. Yes, the son of the former president of the United States is here. This guy has been accused of all kinds of things in the media. He has done all kinds of ridiculous things in his life. He literally is hated by half the country, and the other half of the country doesn't even know what to think about him. But he sat down with me, and he's pretty unfiltered. He explained what he thinks about Bitcoin, about cryptocurrencies, about artificial intelligence, about politics. He says nice things about his dad. He actually critiques the Biden administration. He says nice things about the Trump administration, and he critiques them as well. And then I even ask him questions like, what do you run for president? Was the cocaine in the White House his? And all kinds of other things that you've probably always wanted to know from Hunter Biden. Got to give the guy kudos for coming in here,

• 2:01Speaker 03

  answering questions, being pretty straight up and pretty transparent. I think you're going to enjoy this one. Here's my conversation with Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden is here. Let's just start off with the big question. Do you like Bitcoin? Do you own Bitcoin?

• 2:15Speaker 02

  I like Bitcoin, but I don't own Bitcoin. But I aspire to owning some Bitcoin one day. We'll see. But no, I'm a big fan. A long time ago, I read a thing called the, not a long time ago, but a while back, I read a thing called the Internet of Money, and I was very interested in digital money and microtransactions based upon some work I did for the thing called the World Food Program. And so I became a real believer, a real believer in Bitcoin specifically and the blockchain generally.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  Now, when you think about Bitcoin, it seems like Bitcoin has kind of different value propositions to different people. You're talking about the technology. Obviously, both Republican and Democrat presidents have been insane in the government money printing scenario. Do you think that's the number one argument for Americans to hold Bitcoin is just like, we're going to print the money, inflation is going to go higher, and you should protect yourself? Or is there some other reason?

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, a while back, I put out a tweet that I didn't think that was that controversial, but it was provocative. And I said, you know, the fiat currency is a sham. And you know, the truth of the matter is that, yeah, of course, it's a sham. I mean, any government that can print currency at will, it doesn't actually equal money. And you know, I mean, I've talked about that, I've talked before about this, is that the history of the dollar in and of itself, we're at $40 trillion in debt. I think within the next two years, we'll probably be closer to $50 trillion in debt.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  We have, we have lost 97% of the value of a dollar since 1913. And inflation is just built in. It's basically a built-in tax on the American people. And so I don't necessarily think that that means that you don't have fiat currency. But from around the world, the, you know, it's clearly understandable why we are, as Americans, it's difficult for us to see any other way than the dollar. But if you live in Argentina, or if you live in Venezuela, or you live in, you know, name a half a dozen other places in our lifetimes,

• 4:31Speaker 02

  the idea of a decentralized money, you know, digital money, protected by the blockchain is obviously the future. Yeah, and one of the reasons that I came to this is that when I worked at this thing called the US-UN World Food Program, UN World Food Program is the largest humanitarian organization in the world. They feed over like 75 million people in 82 different countries. They go to every hotspot in the world, you know, from a typhoon hitting to the civil war. And what happens is there's a lot of creation of refugees. And refugees come into another neighboring country, and they cannibalize the economy there.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  And so what we tried to do is we tried to create a digital wallets for the purposes of creating, of being able to have microtransactions within those communities so that you were being additive to a community rather than purely extractive. And that led me down this path as it related to, for instance, the majority of people in the world globally are unbanked. And populations that are unbanked that send money across borders and pay these insane usury fees for that. Here in the United States of America, going back to Central America or Mexico,

• 6:00Speaker 02

  is paying anywhere between 10 and 15% a basically tax on any money that you get to pretend. The blockchain solves that. Bitcoin in particular solves that, but cryptocurrency in general solves that. And I believe in the democratization of, you know, of financial instruments for that purpose. I think that in a global economy, in a world in which we are fully connected, the last place in which we are connected and able to transact and communicate with each other is through financial instruments. And I think that, you know, the incumbent industry is going to fight it tooth and nail as they adopt it, you know, behind the curtain.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Now, I want to play a game with you. I want you to say, what is your biggest critique of your dad's administration? What is your biggest critique of the Trump administration when it comes to crypto? And then we're going to do positives. But first, let's start with the negatives. We think the biggest critique of Biden administration, biggest critique of the Trump administration?

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Biggest critique of the Biden administration, in my opinion, was a knee-jerk reaction to crypto as being inherently a criminal. And it seems to me that the incumbent industry and the banking industry made it very difficult for the Biden administration is to see beyond some of the negatives that people would point out. For instance, in, you know, in black markets and the ability to anonymity and things like that. And I think that they just were very short-sighted. And I think that they ended up

• 7:43Speaker 02

  with a very, very caustic relationship with the people in the crypto industry that totally deteriorated into, you know, almost all-out war. And I think that that was just very short-sighted. As it relates to the Trump administration, my biggest critique of the Trump administration is simply the purely the personal involvement of a sitting president of the United States in the industry to profit for himself and his family. And I don't see in any period of time in which that is right. And I know people, the immediate thing is, well, what about you, Hunter? Well, what about me? What about me when my father was president of the United States? I made an average of about $220,000 a year over the course of four years as my dad was president.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  And I didn't do any business except paint and sell my paintings through a gallery. Two, by the way, known buyers for each one of them. What they're doing in crypto, it goes well beyond launching tokens. It goes well beyond, you know, simply that, that max extraction play that they did as it relates to meme tokens. What they have done is they have now gotten a banking license through the Office of the Comptroller. They have embedded themselves in terms of investments into organizations that are absolutely 100% reliant upon this administration's oversight and regulatory environment.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  They've made it basically impossible for us to be able to come to any agreement on the Clarity Act based upon the ethics, negotiation, the negotiation around ethics language. And so as much as he's promised to be the crypto president, I think that he's done more harm than good.

• 9:28Speaker 03

  Now, what do you, would you say is the most positive thing about the Biden administration? And then what is the most positive thing you could say about the Trump administration?

• 9:36Speaker 02

  I think that the most positive thing about the Biden administration was the way in which they rallied the world. And what I mean by that is that I think that they, when my dad came to office, he inherited a very difficult time, an enormous amount of division around the world as it related to some of the most important things that were happening. And that was what happened in the Russian incursion and invasion into Ukraine, and you can go down the list. And the way in which he healed the relationships that we had, which I think is the most important alliance that we had, is NATO, and added, for the first time in the history of NATO, two additional countries, Finland and Sweden, was something that no

• 10:21Speaker 02

  one said that he was going to be able to do. Similarly, no one said that he was going to be able to pass any legislation in a Congress that was so narrowly divided. And in a two year period of time, he passed more bipartisan legislation than any president since Lyndon Johnson. So those two things, the ability to bring people together, even in times in which everyone was certain that our divisions were going to make that impossible. In terms of the Trump administration, I've said this many times, I understand why the Trump, why people voted for Donald Trump. And one of the reasons is, is because they're angry. And they're angry at the fact that they have been left out of the deal. They've

• 11:04Speaker 02

  been left out of the, of what, at least from my generation, was the idea that we would always have the opportunity to do better than our parents did. And that is not happening anymore. And it hasn't happened for a long time now. And I think that they feel, felt left out, and I think that they were given a scapegoats that he created. But he talks, before he was elected, he talked to that, that feeling, that requires a radical change, that requires a radical change in this country, as it relates to a whole bunch of things. Because I think the vast, vast, vast majority of us feel just completely left out of the American dream.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Is there anything specific about Donald Trump or his family, though, that you would say positive? Or is it more so that you understand the message they brought and why it resonated?

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Well, you know what, I have a real hard time, man. And I'll be just absolutely frank with you, okay? Is, he's a motherfucker. And he's made it really, really, really, he's made my life really difficult, and so have his kids. You know, I look at somebody like Jared Kushner, for instance, I don't know if you just read the report, it relates to Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner, and as one of the principal architects of his domestic and political policy in the first presidency, and then while he was out of office, in terms of running against my dad and me, and Don and Eric, I think, to a lesser degree, because I don't think their dad listens to them that much, to be completely frank. But we're not

• 12:43Speaker 02

  just, it wasn't like just sharp elbows. You know, I've experienced a lot of politics in my life. Since I was two years old, my dad has been a national figure in the political scene. And people always say to me, well, you must be used to this. There's nothing like this. The level of cruelty and viciousness that Trump, and then flowing down in his concentric circles of influence around him, is just, it's absolutely outrageous. So when you ask me if I have anything nice to say to them, I, I don't. I'm just being absolutely honest. And it's not Trump derangement syndrome, man. I am, you know, I'm kind of a, I'm kind

• 13:28Speaker 02

  of the Rorschach test of like, or the avatar for so many of the things, of the excesses of this past 10 years. And, and I don't, and I'm not a victim. I came out the other side of all of this. And I feel more confident in who I am, and in, in, in my place in the lives of the people that love and respect me, and more free and at liberty to say the things that I believe than I've ever felt in my entire life. So in that sense, I thank them for the gift of that. I think, I thank them for the gift of the complete dehumanization

• 14:08Speaker 02

  and that went on for, you know, a four or seven year period of time, as it relates to the direct attacks to me. But I'm not sending them any Christmas cards anytime soon.

• 14:20Speaker 03

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• 15:46Speaker 03

  just like, every day, it's almost like you're getting beat up on the internet, and you never said anything until recently, and then you got on Twitter, and it looks like you're frankly having a blast on Twitter, and kind of like, hey, now I can talk. So talk a little bit as maybe the dichotomy of not talking, and then all of a sudden being able to say whatever you want and having a direct audience.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  That's, that's, thank you for the question. It's really insightful. I mean, a lot of these things, very rarely do people ask me that, the way that you just asked me that. And, yeah, man, it has been, it was really hard. It was really hard. But here's the reason why, that I didn't say, like, that you didn't hear from me, particularly during the four-year period of time that my dad was president. Because I truly, you know, as much as, as much as whatever the narrative that has been, the Fox News narrative, just let's, you know, use them as the example. The Fox News narrative of Hunter Biden was

• 16:41Speaker 02

  either that I was a near-do-well fail son, that basically, that has been living in my dad's slipstream, you know, and coasting on his laurels for my whole life. And that's one, you know, that's one thing, narrative. The other narrative is that I was the head of a global crime family, literally, you know, going around the world and picking up bribes and things like that, and a whole host of things. And it was incredibly frustrating not to be able to respond to that. But number one, I really do believe this, is that it's

• 17:23Speaker 02

  not the place of a son, of a brother, of a son-in-law, a daughter, to, when, or anyone in a family that is not actually literally a part of the administration, to speak and to express their views and to pick their own fights, while, you know, at least for me, while my dad was president. It just wasn't right. It puts, it puts not just him, but the entire administration in a very, very difficult position. And so, even if you believed all of the things that the, that the media painted me, and by the way, some of them

• 18:06Speaker 02

  were true, man. Some of them were true. Much of all of it, not all of it, but about my addiction, when my dad was not president. I got sober, and clean and sober in 2019, a year before, more than a year, 18 months before he ever became president. But the other reason was, is that when the Trump administration kicked off an investigation into me, through the Department of Justice, and through the Republican US Attorney in the state of Delaware, literally as they were walking out the door, it made it impossible. I, you know, I've been a lawyer, I was a lawyer for, you know, close to 30 years now. And I would never, ever, ever let a client go out that was under indictment or under

• 18:50Speaker 02

  investigation by the US Department of Justice, is go out and just willy-nilly, you know, speak on, you know, in front of TV cameras. It's a recipe for disaster. And so I had to keep my mouth shut. But what it did also was this, it gave me time to, it may not have looked like from the outside, but it gave me time also to heal, heal from what I had gone through, which was way worse than anything that they ever put me through. And that's what I put myself through with my addiction. And I realized, is that in that period of time, the people that I could speak to were all of the people that have been impacted by addiction. And

• 19:32Speaker 02

  I don't know anyone, I don't know anybody who doesn't have a brother, a dad, a sister, a best friend, someone that they care for and love deeply and respect, that is a central part of their life that hasn't dealt with the issue of addiction. And it does, I mean, on a spectrum, of course, you know, and not everybody was a crack addict like I was, but you know, that, but I don't know anyone that hasn't been impacted by it. And, and I found that I had, I, I, that's where my connection was. So whether you voted for Donald Trump three times, or you, you know, you, you were diehard Democrat, the truth of the matter is, is that I was being able to speak across that divide. And it was really,

• 20:15Speaker 02

  really satisfying and, and, and really important to my own recovery on a selfish level. The idea of being serviced to others, just by letting people know, like on this show, you know, I'm sure a ton of people really, well, I don't know, I'm not going to prejudge, but regardless, I guarantee you, somebody I'm talking to right now, feels alone in their, in their sickness and in their suffering as it relates to their addiction. And just me, by me proving that recovery can actually work, and I'm sitting here in front of you and talking about it, maybe it will lead them to, to understand that they truly are not alone. All they gotta do is ask for help.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  When you think about where you go from here, like, would you ever run for president? In a weird way, America is all about a comeback story, right? It's all about overcoming obstacles. And it may sound crazy to people, but we have had presidents and then their sons become president. We have had people who have obviously gone through very public, you know, kind of difficult periods. You are almost the epitome of that. Would you, would you ever want to be president?

• 21:18Speaker 02

  I mean this sincerely, I'm truly honored that you would even ask me the question. I really am. I mean, look, man, six months ago, you wouldn't have asked that, and nobody would, and I wouldn't have ever, and I would have literally fallen off my chair. I have no interest in running for president. I have no interest in running for elected office. But I, I really mean it. I'm incredibly honored that you would even ask. And, and the reason is this, is that I think that, not that I don't think it's an honorable pursuit, and it's incredibly important right now that people step up and, and, and run. And, and people with conviction that have a, a, a real idea of, and principles. I think it's

• 22:01Speaker 02

  really important that people with those qualities get involved. But for me, is that I have a, I know, I know who I'm talking to right now. I, I, I'm talking to those 50 million Americans. I, like, what's, what, addiction is not some kind of like, you know, you know, alternative kind of universe in which, you know, like, there's maybe a few people you ever meet in your life. It's truly a pandemic. 200 people a day die from, from overdoses right now. 200 people a day. I mean, just take that instance, and I, and I hadn't, I never knew him, I don't, I don't, I only knew him from afar because he was

• 22:41Speaker 02

  in recovery and trying like hell, and publicly trying like hell to get, to, to break free from it, was Presley Gerber, in that story. And, and, and it's just heartbreaking, man. And what, if you, if you know it, like I know it, though, is that he was one of, of 200 people that died that morning. I don't know, two, 199 other families lost their Presley that day. And, and so, I feel like I have this incredible opportunity to not be, you know, not be perceived in a, in a partisan way right now. And the other part about it is this, too, man, I don't know how you feel, but the fucking, all, it, it's,

• 23:25Speaker 02

  it's so broken. It's so completely broken right now. I mean, I don't, I mean, I know people think of me as a Democrat because my dad's, you know, obviously the former president of the United States, and, and I love my dad, and I think he was the greatest president, you know, since, you know, name one. And, but I have no faith in the, in Democratic Party's leadership right now. I have faith in the idea that Democrats need to get control of the, of the House and the Senate, in order to be able to have some oversight on a runaway administration right now. But I really am, I'm, I'm as excited as other, other people, or as concerned as other people, I may say, in what comes

• 24:08Speaker 02

  next in terms of leadership. Because it's, we are in desperate need of it, in a time in which we are going through the most, I think, significant evolutionary step that anyone will ever live through, in the advent of AGI, and, and potentially shortly following thereafter, superintelligence. It's as if a alien life force were to land in, in, in every major city, in every rural area in the world, and, and, and plop down, and we have no idea what's going to come next. And the only thing that can help us through that is leadership. And so, I'm desperate to see people step up, people of good conscience

• 24:52Speaker 02

  and principles to step up and, and lead.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  I got a million questions for you. Let's start first with, would you ever leave the Democrat Party and vote independent going forward?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Oh, I would. I don't know if I would ever. Look, I'm a Democrat, and, and I'm, and I'm, and I am proud, in, in large part, of being a Democrat. But I'd vote independent. I said this to people, depending upon the choice, I'd vote for somebody like Thomas Massey, you know, and I don't agree with him on 90% of the other stuff that he voted for. But what I do think that Thomas Massey has done is he stood up for the principle of a constitutional republic and the rule of law, and the belief that, that no one is above it. And, and so, you know, I don't have any problem. And that's, by the way, I mean, what I've said to everybody, I, I don't forgive, that's not true, I have forgiven.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  I don't condone, for instance, some of the, the beliefs and things that both, that Tucker have said, or that Candace have said. But you know what? They've woken up to the idea that what they were sold is a bill of goods by this current president. And, and, and for the, for the right reasons, in my opinion. And that reason is, is because he's completely acting outside the law, and, and the power that he is, is bound by, not loosened by, within the Constitution. And so, I am, I am for electing anyone who number, whose number one goal is that, is ensuring that the, that, that we can continue to pursue the promise

• 26:27Speaker 02

  of the, of the potential of an evolving constitution, and, and this constitutional republic. And so, that, and anybody who's going to do one thing, is figure out how to, you know, how to, how to help people pay the rent, so to speak, and literally.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  When you think about going forward, new technology obviously is not going to slow down. It seems like everything is accelerating, especially in artificial intelligence, or now I guess we're calling it superintelligence. What's your view there? Is this something where you're sitting on?

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Please don't do that.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Are you, are you on the side of saying, this stuff is going to kill us, and, and more of like a doomer on it? Or are you very excited about it, and you want to, you know, kind of accelerate as a country and think that us winning with this technology is important?

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Okay, man, I, I don't know. I mean, that's the answer, is that I don't know if any of us know. And I, I mean, what do you think? I mean, I'll tell you what I think, and then, but you promised me you'd tell me what you think. Is, okay. Is that, I'm just like everybody else. I'm sitting here watching my podcast, you know what I mean? I'm watching, I'm watching you, I'm watching you talk to these people, I'm watching, you know, other people that I respect, and some of them I don't respect, that are, that are talking to people that are a hell of a lot smarter than me about it. So what I do is this, is anyone that is directly interested, has an, that has an interest in personally,

• 27:50Speaker 02

  the success, or, or maybe even the failure of AI, because of the pecuniary interest that they have, and I mean, like, they're going to make money off of it, I don't listen to. So I have no use for any of the, of the people that were standing, not that they're all bad guys, I don't, I don't mean that. But they have a job, and the job is, they're salesmen, okay? So I don't know how much of it is hype for an IPO, or how much of it is alarmism for the purposes of getting people's eyeballs and attention to it, for whatever their latest model is. But take, put that aside. Listen to the people that

• 28:31Speaker 02

  have come out of those organizations, that no longer have an interest in it, that are, that are truly independent of it. I always forget his name because I always get it wrong. Mo Gual, former Google executive, that has not been with Google for a long time. But, you know, his position, I think, is, is one of the most rational positions, which is this, the dislocation that is going to be caused by AGI, and, and, and the, and, and if Ray Kurzweil is correct, as soon as you hit AGI, you're, you're months, if not years, depending upon the, how, I mean, what we could possibly do to potentially slow it,

• 29:16Speaker 02

  but you're just super intelligent. And And Mo's position on it is that that dislocation that is going to occur globally for literally billions of people in terms of how they conduct their lives, in terms of how they're employed, what they find sustenance and how they provide, is gonna be a really rough ride for a period of time. But here's the other side of it, is that on the other side of that, if it doesn't kill us all, is that how, what is a more existential threat? Climate change, which I believe is an existential threat. And I think that

• 29:59Speaker 02

  there are very few people in the scientific community that can even remotely argue of the incredible dislocation, and I can say it from my own work with the World Food Program, is that 75% of all of the natural disasters that we have to respond to, and the millions and millions of people we have to feed, and also the man-made disasters in terms of the fighting, all come because of climate change. They all do. Is it receding landmass, is flooding, is where property and real estate across the globe push people together more

• 30:39Speaker 02

  and more and more. And so, what, how are we gonna solve that? Well, I can tell you how we solve that. We solve that with superintelligence. We solve that with AGI, potentially, potentially. Just like we could solve cancer, just like we could free people up to be able to pursue creative things if you had something like a universal basic income. But we need leadership right now, man. Like, I watched somebody just talking about this. They said it is absolutely insane that we have a government right now that is saying that the AI industry

• 31:17Speaker 02

  should not be regulated. I mean, think about any other technology that we've ever, that we've ever experienced in our lives. And, you know, I mean, like, are you saying that we shouldn't have people looking at it? Particularly one in which many, many people predict that it has anywhere from a 10 to 30% chance of a global annihilation? I mean, it's crazy. It's just crazy. Now, I don't trust government as much as the next guy to do it. But government could set up a consortium of independent people to, independent bodies to be able to

• 32:00Speaker 02

  have the right to monitor. Just like, for instance, that you have the IAEA, International Atomic Energy Association, that is able to go into countries and basically test and monitor their science and ask questions and be able to provide public with assurances that this, that, or isn't happening. And hopefully, they could do a better job than the IAEA has done in a lot of places. But my point is, is that we need leadership. We desperately need leadership. I'm sorry for the long answer.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  I think it's a great answer. And I think what you're really showing is, hey, look, there's a lot of competing interest here, there's a lot of competing thoughts, and the future is unknown, which I don't think is a crazy idea, right?

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Did you see, you know that guy, Professor Zhang?

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  I saw him on one thing. He's like, it's all fake. He goes, it's all fake. He said, I guarantee you, it's a bunch of people in India answering, you know, in front of their computer.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  You think that people in India are the ones answering the queries?

• 33:01Speaker 02

  I swear to God. And he was, and he wasn't joking. He's 100% serious. And what I would like to say, if that is true, then I think it is absolutely goddamn amazing. Because, you know, I use, I mean, I use AI. I use AI for everything. I mean, I write on Substack and, and just as an editor, it like, it allows me to produce so much more. And everybody's like, oh, well, you know, your AI-generated LLM slop. I'm like, bullshit. I mean, I write my stuff. But the ability for me then to fact check things, footnote things, source things, to be, ability to synthesize thousands of pages of documents into, into an outline

• 33:43Speaker 02

  and cogent ideas to be able to write, it's just amazing. It's amazing. And, you know, and that's coming from it from, you know, kind of my liberal arts, you know, background. In terms of law, I don't know any lawyer that, I understand that you don't want to be completely relying upon it when you're 100% yet, as it relates to anything that you proffer to a court and have to sign your name to without checking it yourself and proofreading and making certain that the cases that you cite are real. But in everything else, like, why would I, why would I ever spend $5,000 for someone to read and review a contract when

• 34:25Speaker 02

  I can give it to Claude and point out to the lawyer that will ultimately review it for me, says, these are my questions, just these three questions. It's just incredible what it can do. And, and that doesn't even go to what I am not capable of even to begin with, even with AI, which is programming, and your ability to, you know, you know, create code, you know, that would used to cost, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars in man-hours to be able to do. It's just incredible.

• 34:55Speaker 03

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  no minimums, and funds are insured up to $2.5 million through the Atomic Cash Sweep Program. If you want one app for your entire digital asset life, check out Uphold today. Go to uphold.com to learn more. Uphold.com. Go check them out today. 100%. Let's talk about Laptop Token. When I first saw you talking about this, I was like, what the hell is going on over here? And then I thought that maybe you were like, you're trying to troll, you know, some other folks. And then now it looks like this is a real thing. Like, help me understand, what the heck is Laptop Token? And what is your, what's your plan here?

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. So, about six months ago, I was, you know, I mean, I've always had an interest in cryptocurrency and Bitcoin, just from an intellectual level. And I started to think about what he was doing to the industry and through the, and this max extraction play that he did. He owns 80% of his meme token. And here, look, just let's all start this. Is that when I talk to anybody that is outside of the, that has no relationship to cryptocurrency, I mean, either their eyes glaze over, or they just assume that I'm like a con artist. Okay. And I mean, it's just, I mean, it's the reaction. And by the

• 38:25Speaker 02

  way, if you talk to anybody basically over the age of like, you know, 47, it's basically, that's the reaction that you get. But what I do know is this, is that I believe, for instance, a meme token started as a joke. It is a joke, but it also creates community. It also, there's also 10 million meme tokens. There also are tokens that have been launched that actually created things and built things, rather than just actually extracting things from other people's wallets. And I saw what he did. He created a coin that 80% of it went to him and his insiders, complete and totally obfuscated the wallets, and none of

• 39:07Speaker 02

  it is transparent. And he took basically, I don't know, what was the number? $2.1 billion from his most fervent supporters? And he put it all into his pocket. Okay?

• 39:22Speaker 02

  I said, can you build a coin that does the exact opposite that gives back to community that creates something and builds something? So I built a coin with the tokenomics in conjunction with Coinbase that we were supposed to be listed on, on day one. And we built a coin that had a 20% airdrop, which means that we literally just give away no strings attached, 20% of the coin to community, to build a community. And then, and by the way, they just, you can either cash it in or hold it, do whatever you want. And you know, one of the taglines of my, of my coin was, do not buy this coin. It is not, it is not an investment. It is not money.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  And anyway, and so, uh, 30% of the coin is, was the first ever, um, uh, prediction market embedded into a token. And, um, it completely innovative thing that we came up with, in which I make 30 predictions. And each one of those predictions, uh, is, uh, if it came true, the, uh, a committed percentage of the coin gets burned. If it doesn't come true, then it gets, uh, um, dedicated, that percentage gets dedicated to charity. So a minimum of 5% to charity, of all things that I could raise millions of dollars and still can for, uh, organizations and entities that are, um, important, uh, to the, the

• 40:42Speaker 02

  things that I care about, which is recovery and addiction. And then 10% for me, instead of 80% for me. And, um, and on day one, I mean, it got totally, uh, you know, I mean, it was just an absolute 100% disaster by no far of our own, but we have not, I have not benefited, not one insider has benefited or profited from the token. The $300 million, $300 million tokens that are locked up, um, in the, um, uh, in the founders, um, uh, tokens are, still sit there, you can see it on the blockchain, it's completely transparent. And what happened was, is that a market maker, we had three market makers, I'm not going to name the, the one, but the one market maker, principal market maker, that had 30

• 41:26Speaker 02

  million of our tokens and a million dollars to be able to create a market, uh, only put in $5,000 at launch and 29,000 tokens. So there wasn't zero liquidity. So a $6 purchase of a, of, of, of a token at that price, sent the token up 5, um, 5% and just do the, do the math exponentially. And within minutes, it went from our $50 million FTV launch to $317 billion market cap. And within the hour, it fall, it fell all the way back down. Now, it's trading about 70, 75 FTV right now, which is, um, you know, basically, it's fine with me, we were above where we launched, but, but nobody benefited from that, except

• 42:08Speaker 02

  the two market makers, um, that basically, uh, uh, cashed out and, and parts of that.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  So you, if you have 10%, you're going to make like a couple of million bucks over time, not, not yet, right?

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Oh, that's the thing, yeah, we're vested for six, I'm vested for six months, cannot touch the coin. And then it linear vesting over two years in conjunction with the predictions that go out over a two-year period of time. And I'm not going anywhere, man. I, I really truly believe this. And the other reason that I really truly believe in it, is that I get to talk to you. I get to talk to an entire audience that would otherwise have, like, that, that no one, no one of my political persuasions talking to, none of them, nobody. And everybody that is so knee-jerk to the idea, like, oh, this is bullshit, I get it, man. I get it within the community in crypto Twitter, is they've been burned so many times and they're so skeptical of anyone that comes along.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  But, look, man, I'm going to stay out here for the next year, for the next two years, however long it takes, to prove to everybody is that I'm in it, I'm, I'm in it to the end. I'm, I'm, I am engaged, not just in this community for the sake of being engaged in it, but because it is of great interest to me and I think great promise to, to everybody.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  Now, I have seen, uh, a couple of different people I know where you have autographed their laptops.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  The coin is called Hunter Biden's Laptop. Like, it kind of feels like this thing that you were attacked for now somehow is becoming a point of pride for yourself.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  That's it, all, that's all, that's it, man. All of that is, is the whole point, is that like, that's the other thing in terms of affinity with this, with this community, in my, in my estimation, is that a lot of people who, you know, think that the, the world has written them off, or that, you know, I mean, like, Jesus Christ, I mean, a bunch of guys that call themselves degen's, you know what I mean? Like, I get it. And one of the things that was happened to me is that they connected three words together in the, in the, in the, in the global consciousness of, of, uh, through the media. And that was Hunter Biden's Laptop. And I will go down to, on my grave, it will be really unlikely that, that won't be on my gravestone. And so you know what I wanted to do?

• 44:21Speaker 02

  I reclaim it. Anytime you say the word laptop, anytime you say Hunter Biden's Laptop, is, you know what? I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not ashamed of anything that was in that laptop. I am, I, I, I'm embarrassed, um, of some of the things that I did. I would rather them not, you know, uh, you know, naked pictures of me with women in motel rooms is not something that was nice to my, my, uh, my, my family to have to live through. But you know what? I'm not ashamed of it anymore, man. I, that's me, all of it. All of the things that are true actually happened. And you know what? Here I am. Here I am, here's all of me. And I'm claiming it back. And you can't use it as a weapon against me anymore.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  And that's, um, you know, that was 100% the reason that I, um, uh, I called it Laptop and will continue to do so.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  I, I respect the, uh, hey, I'm just going to own this shit and, uh, who cares what other people say? I respect that. You and I probably agree on some things, we probably disagree on some things, but I think every human, you know, kind of deep down, they, they got to respect the fact that someone just says, like, I don't care what you think about me, you know, right, wrong, or indifferent. I, I don't think that that's a, uh, a, a bad approach to life in general for most people. I want to do, before I let you go, I want to do rapid fire. I got a bunch of questions. Some are funny ones, some are serious ones, some I think that you'll actually enjoy. You ready?

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  Was the cocaine in the White House yours?

• 45:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Oh, man, all right. Uh, two is, when you talk to your dad now, what's the thing that you guys always say last on the conversation? Do you say, I love you? Do you say, good luck?

• 45:52Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  You later? I love you? Okay.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  I learned.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  When's the last time you talked to somebody in the Trump family?

• 46:00Speaker 02

  I think never.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Wow, you don't think you've ever talked to them?

• 46:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  What is the nickname that your friends call you or refer to you as?

• 46:12Speaker 02

  From when I was growing up, they called me Hunt. And so they just took off the ER. Um, so, yeah, my, my, my friends from, uh, grade school, high school, um, still call me Hunt.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  All right. What is the most fun party you ever went to?

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Oh, man, the most fun party I ever went to? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that one. There's, there, that, a lot of them were just me, you know, in, in, in a, uh, in a, in a hotel room. Yeah.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  That's it?

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't know, man. The most fun party that I ever went to? I think probably the most fun party that I ever went to was my brother's wedding.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  I, I, again, I respect that, and I don't think that's probably the right answer in terms of, uh...

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Well, there's a difference between fun and wild. We can talk about the wild later. We'll talk about it in a whole different show.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  What's the wildest party?

• 47:10Speaker 02

  So why?

• 47:11Speaker 03

  What's the wildest party that you went to?

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Um, uh, the wildest party I ever went to was in a, um, uh, the penthouse suite in the Palms in Las Vegas in like 2018, in, you know, and, and it did not end well. So, yeah.

• 47:25Speaker 03

  All right. When you think about technology today, you think about the business world, if you were given a portfolio, where would you put the money?

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Hmm. If I was given a portfolio, where would I put the money? Well, I think that I'd probably put it in the places everybody else is putting it, because I think that there is incredible value in it. Um, in, in Nvidia, obviously, I think that regardless of what we think about, you know, data centers and what's is, is that, uh, it's going to be key. I really, I'm really interested, and I don't know enough to know, but I'm really interested in what Michael Saylor's doing and, um, MSTR. And, and I, and I think that it is a entry point into, um, into cryptocurrency, but, I mean, into Bitcoin in particular, in a way that is, uh, is really fascinating to me and interesting.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Um, and, uh, I think that the other place that I would probably put it into is, um, just in terms of a company? I mean, I, I, I still look at Apple and I just think that they have such an incredible, um, lead as it relates to their, uh, their, their connection to the retail, um, uh, consumer.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  What is your favorite or best thing that you've built with AI?

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a great question. Uh, my, my, my website for, um, my art, hunterbiden.com. Go look at it. I mean, it's pretty simple, but it really, like, like, I was able to, I was able to do that with just, with minimal, um, help from anybody else, by myself, with no, you know, it's pretty cool.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  In the art world, as an artist, what do you hope people say about you 10, 15 years from now?

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't care. I mean, that one, that's where I really don't care what, what, what they say to me in the art world, is that my art to me is just so personal in terms of, I, it, I, I love when people love my art. I mean, I really do. I mean, just like anything, but that, that's where I truly is, um, is, I, I, I make art, I mean, look, I mean, I was going to say, I'm in the middle of a painting here, I'm like, you know, there's one over there, there's one over there, there's 42 behind that one. And I, and every chance I get from five in the morning when I wake up, um, uh, till I have to go and, and do other things, like I get to talk to you, which is, um, uh, truly a pleasure.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Um, but as soon as I hang up with you, I'll be back, um, to painting. And, and that's my, um, that's my, my place. I'm, I'm always practiced art and, uh, and that is definitely not a rapid fire answer to a rapid fire question.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  That's all right. I got, last thing, I have a piece of advice for you, which is a, a job opportunity that I think you can make a lot of money, it'll be electric content, and you probably had a hell of a lot of fun doing it.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  You ever see the CNN show where they got the guy Scott Jennings on, he argues with all the CNN folks?

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  I think you should do this on Fox News. I think you should get a job at Fox News.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Oh, on Fox? Oh, I thought you were going to say that I get to cage fight Scott Jennings. I would do that. He's the most insufferable prick I've ever, I mean, literally, I don't think that there's ever been anyone that's more of a douchebag in, in front of a, a, uh, a, a TV camera than Scott Jennings.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  No, I'm saying, you be the Scott Jennings of Fox News.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  All right. Piss everybody off, so, okay, yeah, that's not a bad idea, man, but they already have Jessica Turlock, she does a pretty good job. She does a pretty good job.

• 50:54Speaker 03

  All right. Where, where can we send people to, to find you?

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Uh, hunterbiden.com, or you know what you go to? Is go read my stuff and, I mean, 90% of it is freed, um, uh, on, um, on Substack. I've written a lot, I've written a lot of essays, I've wrote a couple of books that I'm releasing and, um, I'm in the process of, of writing another book right now that's hopefully will come out, um, you know, fall of next year or so, so, yeah.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  I, I appreciate you taking the time to do this. Uh, you've been through a hell of a journey, my friend.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's, it's just beginning though, man. That's the cool part, that's the cool part. So I, anytime, I really appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time to listen to me, and I really mean it, man. Sorry for the slow start with all the technical problems on my end.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  No, all good.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Okay. Thanks, man.