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Anthony Pompliano and guest Jordy Visser discuss why current fears over rising interest rates are overblown, explaining that the massive profit margins and exponential demand driving the AI build-out insulate tech giants and the broader economy from minor rate hikes. They argue that AI agents and tokenization are fundamentally changing market structure, shifting investment toward scarce assets like Bitcoin and decentralized financial rails that machines can easily use. Throughout the episode, they emphasize that traditional economic models and four-year cycles no longer apply in a world of rapid technological deflation and agentic automation, making cryptocurrency an essential allocation rather than a binary gamble.
The episode opens with a brief ad read and host introductions before launching into the main conversation.
Jordi Visser explains his Elliott Wave analysis, arguing Bitcoin is entering a powerful third wave.
Visser argues that AI giants like Anthropic and OpenAI will be largely insulated from higher interest rates due to high margins.
The discussion turns to the broader macro environment, the K‑shaped recovery, and the role of government policy.
The hosts discuss whether U.S. interest rates will rise and how that could impact the economy and markets.
Visser highlights crypto, tokenization, and AI agents as key growth engines that could outpace traditional markets.
The hosts examine Bitcoin’s price targets, community sentiment, and the importance of technical support levels.
A deep dive into how AI agents are changing productivity, investment strategies, and the future of work.
The episode wraps up with final reflections on rates, AI, crypto, and the need for critical thinking.
Discussion on how effective AI prompting can improve human managerial skills and communication.
Illustrates using ChatGPT to craft analogies that demystify rising interest rates and calm market anxiety.
Concludes the episode with reminders to subscribe, watch related content, and stay engaged.
Rates Will Not Derail AI Growthinsight
The guest explains that a 200 basis point increase in 10-year yields barely impacts the massive profit margins of frontier AI models like Anthropic and OpenAI. Because demand is explosive and margins are infinite, interest rate fears are relics of an old, housing-driven economy.
Nikkei Rises Despite Higher Yieldsdata
Pointing to empirical evidence against the traditional consensus, the guest notes that Japan's Nikkei index rose 70% even as 30-year bond yields hit all-time highs. This demonstrates that K-shaped economies and specific growth engines can thrive despite rising rates.
Nvidia Revenue Estimates Too Lowdata
Nvidia shocked Wall Street by indicating that next year's revenue estimates of 44% were far too low, implying actual growth closer to 70% or 100%. Despite these incredible fundamentals, market structure changes mean investors no longer get automatically rewarded for huge beats.
Money Supply Versus Asset Valuesinsight
The guest introduces a unique thesis regarding the fractional reserve banking system: as AI brings massive deflationary abundance, money supply will continue to grow, but underlying asset values will not inflate at the same historical rate.
Humanoids and Deflationary Pressuresinsight
Future deflation driven by humanoid robots will drastically lower the cost of building houses and manufacturing goods. This technological abundance will reshape the traditional store of value across real estate and other hard assets.
Pivoting SaaS Products to AI Agentsstory
A Y Combinator founder shifted his data product from human SaaS subscriptions to an agent-only, pay-as-you-go model. Within weeks, thousands of agents signed up, proving that targeting a million agents is far more lucrative and scalable than targeting humans.
“I believe from an Elliott Wave perspective, we're entering a third wave, a big, the most powerful wave in crypto.”
“For this to be a third wave, I also need the silent IPO thing to be there.”
“The AI companies maybe employ tens of thousands of people.”
“If rates go up 150, 200 basis points, asset prices could fall.”
“The margins for the frontier models, which are Anthropic and OpenAI, which are really the drivers of the entire thing at this point.”
“Bitcoin tagged 82,000, just over 82,000. I yelled Yahtzee when I saw it.”
“Embrace AI. It will make you smarter. It will save you time.”
“I want to kind of give an analogy to people to understand that just because a chart looks like it's at all time highs, doesn't mean the world's going to end.”
“Well, technically, you can make the argument it is here based on the metrics and the benchmarks people have used, which is basically, everyone has a different way of describing it.”
“It may not be worth a million Bitcoin, but it's worth something the same way that Ford is worth something in the S and P 500.”
Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down why rising interest rates may not derail the AI-driven economy, bitcoin's path to new highs and the four-year cycle debate, and how AI agents are already reshaping markets, business management, and crypto adoption. We also cover tokenization, portfolio allocation, and why a 0% crypto weighting no longer makes sense. ======================== Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy! ======================== Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital. ======================== 0:00 - Intro0:58 - Why interest rates won't derail the AI-driven economy13:43 - Bitcoin, stocks & the money printing trade20:28 - Tokenization, AI agents & the next wave of investment opportunities22:42 - Bitcoin's path to $100K & the four-year cycle debate29:11 - AI agents are already changing how business gets done35:07 - Markets never sleep: how agents are reshaping trading38:06 - Managing AI agents like a team 46:01 - Using AI to cut through market fear 52:01 - Why every portfolio needs crypto exposure
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