Pod Insights Podcast Business News Network 14243 Steve Harper Interviews Dr. Kelly Liius CEO and Founder of Kelly 121 Acupuncture About this episode https://www.kelly121acupuncture.com/ Listen to us live on mytuner-radio, onlineradiobox, fmradiofree.com and streema.com (the simpleradio app)https://onlineradiobox.com/search?cs=us.pbnnetwork1&q=podcast%20business%20news%20network&c=ushttps://www.fmradiofree.com/search?q=podcast+business+news+networkhttps://mytuner-radio.com/search/?q=business+news+networkhttps://streema.com/radios/search/?q=podcast+business+news+network
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0:13 Speaker 00 Welcome back everyone. Many of us dealing with different types of pain, especially chronic pain. And fortunately, and also unfortunately, we learn to live with it. Our minds and our bodies are amazing. We just adapt to it and we just keep moving forward. But why would we have to live with that pain? There's something that can alleviate it. It's natural, holistic, no chemicals, no meds. It is hypnotherapy. Yeah, hypnosis. We're going to talk about that today. And so much more connected to it. And not only does she practice hypnotherapy, but also harnesses the power of Chinese medicine, which includes acupuncture, herbals, and much more. Out of
0:56 Speaker 00 New York, great to have Dr. Kelly on the program again with us. How are you doing today?
1:00 Speaker 01 I'm doing good, Steve. How are you doing?
1:03 Speaker 00 Fascinated to find out more and more things that hypnosis can support. Big fan myself. I've used it for a number of different things. So pain, I guess, would be along with that. But I'm intrigued, because I think about pain as being, you know, an issue with somebody. Let's say you have a rotator cuff issue, and you just let it go, and it's just nagging at you, and you live your life that way. Maybe it's hard to address. Maybe they haven't found a way to fix whatever the pain is. So that's why I wonder, how can hypnotherapy help you when I guess the root cause of the pain still exists? Tell us more.
1:43 Speaker 01 First, I want to clarify. So acupuncture herbs, of course, can treat the pain. When the hypnosis need to step in is when people's pain more triggered by the emotional trauma, especially from childhood. So in general, I use acupuncture on people who have pain, and it's pretty successful. But when people have a lot of childhood trauma, which is the reason or the cause of the pain? At this point, hypnosis gonna help people even deeper.
2:29 Speaker 01 Not only relieve the pain, but also relieve a lot of deep emotional stress, anxiety, sadness, anger stuff.
2:41 Speaker 00 So how about, give us some examples of the pain that somebody could be experiencing? And, and that hypnosis would help with that?
2:50 Speaker 01 Uh, yes, actually, I just did a hypnosis on one of my patients. Who is a yoga teacher, actually. So basically, she teach people how to relax, how to stretch. But she has the pain only on the left side. And also, I found a lot of people who only have one side pain usually is on the left side.
3:17 Speaker 00 Hmm.
3:18 Speaker 01 Usually link to the childhood trauma. I mean, trauma might be a little bit too severe word. You can say this, oh, when I was a child, my mom is very strict to me.
3:31 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
3:31 Speaker 01 That kind of thing. So, um, yeah, she's a yoga teacher, but she has all the way from her head, neck, shoulder, arm, all the way down to the toe, the left side pain. We did acupuncture, it did help her for a week. Usually, one acupuncture works for a week. Next week, she usually coming again. We have been done that for a while. Then one day I mentioned, I said, how about let's do a hypnosis? I think that will help you not only about the pain, but also about emotional stuff. So she agreed and we did, and it did help her.
4:17 Speaker 00 Wow. And I've heard before just what you said, where a lot of times we have pain, it's one side of the body, and somehow, subconsciously, it correlates back to an earlier situation. Um, and I've heard the left side, if you have pain on the left side, it could be caused or connected to. A female situation, I'll just call it that. And that could be anything. That could be, you know, your mom. That could be something later in life, whatever it is. What if? Let's go with that. So let's say that that pain in your shoulder. And let's say you're thinking, you know, I played tennis, you know, last year. And I think, you know, from the backhand, you know, I rarely play tennis. So I'm like a weekend athlete.
5:02 Speaker 00 And you have a pain that you think is attributed to that, but it hasn't gone away. Maybe you've done a little physical therapy, whatever, but it hasn't gone away. Can it also still be tied to something else? Like, let's say if it's on the left side, connected to maybe your mom being strict or whatever it might be?
5:21 Speaker 01 Uh, actually, it's very interesting. Um, for multiple cases I found in my office, who has only left side pain. And they did complain about their mom. For example, this patient, uh, this way before we did hypnosis. The first time she came in, she talked about her mom. She said, oh, my mom is a narcissist.
5:49 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
5:50 Speaker 01 My mom is manipulating. Uh, my mom always want to contact me. So, um, from the first time she stepped into my office, early complaining about her mom. So that is a proof what you mentioned about the left side, about the mom. And also in Chinese medicine, actually left side you're related with liver. Like I have another patient also is a female. She's very young, only twenty, in her early twenties. When she first came into my office, without she seeing anything, I already can tell she had a very severe liver T stagnation. One is her face is very red.
6:36 Speaker 01 Two, her hands, like start, start from here all the way to the finger. Both on her hand are very red and her fingers are very cold also. So I can tell she has severe, severe liver T stagnation.
6:55 Speaker 01 And she went to the doctor, they did MRI, they did X-ray, they did all the tests. They couldn't find a reason why she had the severe left side pain. But she said she just couldn't fall asleep, it's so painful. And the western medicine doctor couldn't do anything because from the test, nothing wrong. So she came to me. I explained to her. Just one treatment, this is just acupuncture. We didn't even do hypnosis, it's just one acupuncture, she said. Her finger, the color, much less red.
7:34 Speaker 00 Wow.
7:34 Speaker 01 Her pain, like decreased, like a lot. And she has constipation for her whole life, but after first acupuncture, she had a bone movement. So.
7:48 Speaker 00 Wow.
7:48 Speaker 01 Uh, we did, I didn't mention about hypnosis to her. Um, but she said, you know, she's kind of like financially a little bit tired. And also the acupuncture is so helpful. She said, let's just continue to acupuncture, maybe later on, we can step in hypnosis. I said, that's fine.
8:11 Speaker 00 The liver stagnation, you've mentioned it before, connected to acupuncture. What would cause that, or what what are some of the causes of that?
8:21 Speaker 01 Very good question, um, for example, for the person I mentioned, left side pain, you got teacher. So we did hypnosis. We went back when she was like three, four years old.
8:37 Speaker 01 Um, she said, my mom always calling me selfish, uh, not grateful.
8:46 Speaker 00 Hmm.
8:46 Speaker 01 And also, uh, my mom.
8:51 Speaker 01 Seeing me being narcissist. So she said, um. Uh, that's what when she was three, four years old and also. She said her grandparents. They are like, they like to do everything perfectly. She said her grandparents' home looks like a museum.
9:13 Speaker 00 Hmm.
9:14 Speaker 01 Clean, beautiful. Um, she also mentioned about, so her parents, they argue a lot, they fight a lot. Um, she, she was always, always terrified when they argue and fight. Later on. So her parents divorced when her mom uh went to date with. The guy who married her mom, which was her, I mean, is her stepfather later on. She said her stepfather is the person. Just look at you, make you scare, make you very scary, like make you fear. It's so also there a bunch of thing happened like, you know, her mom.
9:57 Speaker 01 Like make a lot of noise when they had sex, but to her, she didn't know what's going on. She was so. Worried her mom got beating up or something by her stepfather.
10:09 Speaker 00 Right, wow.
10:10 Speaker 01 So all these things. Make her like very stressful, her body tightened. That's the original cause of the pain, actually. Um, of course, later on. There is another event happened. She shared a small apartment with one of her friends. Her friends was sleeping in the bedroom. She was sleeping on the couch for three months. That's another reason give her the pain. But the point is. Why you give your bedroom to your friend, which you don't even really like, but you sleep on the couch. Right, that's kind of like I.
10:56 Speaker 01 I need to put other people in front of me.
11:00 Speaker 00 Yep, yep, she's, she's a people pleaser and all of that, it sounds like.
11:06 Speaker 00 Was created from her past, her childhood. She always had to feel like she had to measure up and, and meet a certain standard. So like many of us, if not, I've heard actually all of us have some form of not feeling worthy in us in different areas. And it could be to a large degree, it sounds like for, for that person, uh, maybe less for other people, but we all have it. And it all comes from childhood and different situations. Doesn't mean your childhood wasn't good, but you as a kid internalized certain things and then you hang on to it. And then you have pain later in life, it sounds like. Wow.
11:44 Speaker 01 Yeah. So all the event, yeah, can be the cause of the pain. But we don't know, right? We usually think, oh, we went to the gym, we did a heavy lifting, then we got the pain. A lot of pain did tied with emotional stuff.
12:00 Speaker 00 Sure. Well, now I'm seeing that even more, that it can be tied to, you know, an emotional situation, or you could have had some kind of pain hanging out there due to an emotional situation from your childhood or, or events after that, but a lot of this is childhood. And then maybe increase that pain by going to the gym. Maybe, you know, why did you pull something? You may have been on a machine at the gym and adjusting yourself in a certain way, or your posture was in a certain way because of childhood situations. And then you, you tear a muscle, whatever you do, then you have pain. It could be attributed right back to childhood. So it sounds like Dr.
12:43 Speaker 00 Kelly, you can only do so much when it comes to acupuncture in terms of alleviating pain. Past that, it would be hypnotherapy to really get in there and, and maybe get to the root cause. Does that sound right?
12:58 Speaker 01 Um, I think it depends like to some people they i- if the pain relate to the childhood, you know, stuff, it's better we go back to the childhood. I mean, one thing I want to clarify, when you do hypnosis, you're still aware of everything. You're not like really falling asleep or something. We just put you kind of in a deep, relaxed situation. Your mind is so relaxed. We can go to subconscious mind.
13:31 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
13:31 Speaker 01 Then we can fix what or we can relieve whatever happened when you was a child. You know, let scare, let anger, you know, let sadness can be relieved. Then the original cause of the pain will be gone. Then you will feel totally relaxed.
13:52 Speaker 00 Hmm. Um, I've had hypnotherapy before. I have a session with you coming up very soon. I can say yes, and you're not controlling somebody's mind. All you're doing is putting them in a very relaxed state, which as I understand it, we're in multiple times during the day. Anyway, we just don't realize it. When you first wake up in the morning, just before you fall asleep, you're in the same type of hypnotic state. It's natural. It's normal. You get us there and then we're able to, we are able to access that part of our brain and figure this stuff out. It's not, I, I look at it this way. You're giving us the keys to unlock our mind. It's not like you're going in there and do,
14:35 Speaker 00 moving things around and reprogramming and putting us into a trance and no. All you're doing is making a suggestion while we're accessing that part of our mind. If we don't agree with a suggestion, it's not gonna work. Just, it's not gonna work. You have to be on board for it. Um, that's how, right? That's how I explain it after my experiences.
14:56 Speaker 01 Yes, it is you, actually it's not me. I'm a hypnotherapist, but I'm not the one really fix the problem. It's you.
15:05 Speaker 00 Yeah.
15:05 Speaker 01 You have to agree. You know, so, okay, I am ready to release the anger. I'm ready to release the fear. I'm ready to release the limiting beliefs of, you know, what I have to hold on
15:21 Speaker 00 Yeah.
15:21 Speaker 01 to protect myself. So it's not me doing the work, it is you. I just guiding you. I'm just there help you, to guide you, to release all the negative emotions.
15:35 Speaker 00 And, let's also add here, that doesn't mean, because I've, I've, I've spoke with people before about this, and let's say that they are, they're challenged by maybe the passing of someone in their life, and it may be an apparent from way back in the day. They have fear that when they do hypnotherapy, that they're going to forget that person, or, or if it's not that situation, um, they, they fear that they're going to forget through hypnosis, things in their childhood. That's not true, correct?
16:14 Speaker 01 Right, right, so you only relieve the negative thoughts. You're not relieve all your memories.
16:22 Speaker 00 Right.
16:22 Speaker 01 So let's, yeah, let's, to me, I think that's not possible, even you just forget about a person, just you lost all your memories. That's not possible. What you, what we are only doing through hypnosis is to relieve the negative thoughts. Like, oh, I hate my mom because she was so strict to me when I was a child. She wanted me to study, she wanted me to play the piano. That happened to a lot of kids, actually. You know, like, when, you know, when we were little, you know, like, our parents paid a lot of money for us to learn piano, or to learn this and that.
17:03 Speaker 01 They want, they want you to really learn it, and also they want you to really grab the skill so you can use later on. You know, our parents love us. That's one thing. I think almost one hundred percent. All the parents love their kids. But somehow, I think a lot of parents, they don't know how to talk to their kids. To show their love. So in a way, they're like, oh, you need to play the piano, sit down for an hour, two hour to practice. To the kids, they accept the, they receive the signal is, oh, my mom just care about my piano.
17:46 Speaker 01 My mom doesn't care about me. My mom just care about, oh, she paid how much money for the piano lessons I have to learn. So that is the wrong signal we received from our parents, when we can like treat the negative thoughts. Oh, I hate my mom, or my mom doesn't love me. So that is the thing we need to fix. And again, you are consciously, you're not like totally falling asleep, you know what's going on. We just kind of like go back to a, like time, time machine, go back to your childhood. Just imagine you were play piano, your mom told you, oh, you need to practice piano for an hour.
18:31 Speaker 01 But actually you didn't want to. So that kind of negative feeling got a release, you realize, oh, my mom actually loved me. My mom really care about me, that's why she wanted me to practice the piano, so later on I can use it. You know, when I'm, when I'm upset or angry, I can play piano so I can feel better. So in that way, you just release the negative thoughts, you don't release all your memories.
18:59 Speaker 00 And thank you for bringing that up, because as kids, we don't know any better. We don't know how to interpret things. Like you said, mom just wants you to enjoy playing piano, take it seriously, because you said you wanted to. So she's paying for it, so you gotta do your lessons. It's normal. There's nothing wrong with that. But as a kid, you're like, oh, that's all I care about. And then you internalize that, and then you carry that. You might even carry things with you. You know, mom is mean because of that. All of that is in us. The interesting thing is, you could be another child, and it doesn't even matter. That rolls right off their shoulder. They don't even care. There's not even a thought.
19:42 Speaker 00 Every child is different, but unfortunately, that's the way childhood goes. And I guess on the flip side, fortunately, as I understand it, it's just to keep us safe as kids. You know, we're always on alert, you know, between birth to, you know, call it seven. We're just forming our opinions of people around us, even our parents. And fundamentally, I think it goes back to just being safe, just to stay safe. But in a kid's mind, that's not really staying safe you think it is. It's fascinating how this all works. And many of us are afraid of hypnotherapy. I understand. I was too. Like, I don't really, you know, I don't mind control all that.
20:25 Speaker 00 It is so not. I love it. Look forward to it. I don't know if I ever shared with you, Dr. Kelly, I had a hypnotherapy session a number of years ago, and they provided me with audio. And it was just the hypnotherapist speaking. It wasn't even our session. It was them just speaking in a hypnotherapy audio file that I could play to just reinforce the session. I would listen to it to fall asleep, not to get the goal of the hypnotherapy session. It was 20 minutes of audio. I was asleep seven minutes later. Beautiful. I was usually at the fall asleep. And as I understand it, my subconscious is probably still listening
21:10 Speaker 00 and then taking in all the stuff that was said to achieve that certain goal. What do you hear from people after you have a session? They have a session with you?
21:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, actually, no. You know, after I put in all the needles, I would do like... Many affirmation hypnosis on all my patients, actually. So I will tell them, take a deep breath in, hold it. Then breathe out, take a deep breath in, hold it, breathe. So I will ask them to repeat three times, close their eye. You know, usually I will ask them to close their, uh, close their eyes when I do, you know, acupuncture. So in that way, they kind of like go to the deeply relaxed situation. Then I will say something, you know, positive affirmation. I will say, for example, people who are pregnant.
22:02 Speaker 01 I will say the baby is growing healthy and beautifully. Your body is relaxed, you are healthy. So put such kind of positive affirmation into their kind of subconscious mind. So in that way, they will always just think about positive thing. Uh, actually, other day, I, I listened to, um, to, to a video who is like a, a neuroscientist. So he said, every day, our brain just automatically process like three thousand, more than like five thousand, like a source.
22:43 Speaker 01 And ninety-five percent of these thoughts are negative, without any control. You know, when you think about something, your negative thoughts pop out, uh, what I feel. What if I didn't, you know, re, you know, achieve the goal or something? You know, always our thoughts just came out every day, so many and so many negative thoughts. So then, when the, when you think about hypnosis, why don't you think about positively? Right, instead of negatively? That's why I do the affirmation on all my patients after finishing the needle. So when they go to relax, kind of like, you know, even in sleep,
23:24 Speaker 01 they will just remember a positive thing, the baby, the healthy, I'm healthy, I'm relaxed. So in that way, I, the. The acupuncture even like the, you know, the effect even better. So that's my patients, they, you know, I recently I get the more and more new patients. I do this to my patients, like they all feel like very relaxed. They feel very good, doesn't matter is like digesting problem or it's their pain or it's their whatever problem, they feel very relaxed. So it's very positive.
24:04 Speaker 00 Wow, uh, love your approach. Love it with acupuncture and especially now with hypnotherapy. Kelly121acupuncture.com, that's your website, right?
24:15 Speaker 01 Yes, it is.
24:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, and you're in New York, but the beauty of hypnotherapy, you can help anybody, anywhere, virtually, just like we're talking right now. Of course acupuncture has to be in person in New York City. Thank you for all the insight. I am truly looking forward to our hypnotherapy session coming up very soon and appreciate all the information. Thank you, Dr. Kelly.
24:38 Speaker 01 Thank you, Steve.
24:39 Speaker 00 We'll be right back.
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