Trump's Film Tariffs, Alcatraz Reopened, China Shut Down | PBD Podcast | Ep. 583

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover Trump’s bold new proposal for a 100% tariff on foreign-made films, his controversial plan to re-open Alcatraz for the nation’s “worst criminals,” and why he’s refusing to lower tariffs to bring China to the negotiating table. ------ 🪖VT ARMED FORCES COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4iKR0dp 🎁 MOTHER'S DAY COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4lU4dDp 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh 👕 THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 1:08Speaker 02

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:14Speaker 02

  My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so we got a lot to cover, folks. And I mean a lot. President Trump wants to make sure all the movies are made in the States and Canada's not too happy about that. Mark Carney is coming to visit President Trump, and President Trump doesn't know why. And even Howard Lutney's like, look, I'm looking forward to the meeting. I'm glad I'm in the meeting, but I don't know what they're going to be talking about, what leverage it is. They're a socialistic society that is leveraging off of America. And in Australia, the Labour Party won out of nowhere. Outside of that Alcatraz, apparently, you know, hey, guys, don't break the law.

• 1:54Speaker 04

  Good.

• 1:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Because some of you may end up in Alcatraz. I mean, you could say, I'm in jail in San Francisco. So at least it's like you're in a rich jail. You know, it's a high quality type of a place with a lot of history, but that's a different type of a thing to brag about. What jail are you at? I'm in Arkansas. That's for broke people, man. I'm in frickin' San Francisco, dog. That's where I'm staying at. Anyways, President Trump dismisses again a third term. But the way he does it, it's so... prophetic the way it just the way to get under her skin I just love it we have to play the clip it's so fun White House wants Rubio in powerful dual role long term I even think somebody called him the Howard Lutnick of this not the Howard Lutnick the Kissinger of this era I think it was JD Vance I don't know who it was but somebody called him the Rubio is the

• 2:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Kissinger of this era China there's some stuff that's going on with China that Tom's gonna unveil to you guys that you gotta see the numbers numbers by the way the cartel was asked about how they feel about Trump the ladies waiting Vinnie saying this they're waiting to get like a gotcha moment and she did not get it you should hear what he said about the president Sean Penn once great actor in a movie called Mystic River is now not happy with the president he says he might destroy the world listen if the president's able to pull that up you gotta respect that but Penn is worried about it but he's a dead man walking we know that so you know so we'll see what's gonna happen there Trump dismisses Wall Street worries about

• 3:20Patrick Bet-David?

  short-term recession I think we're gonna be doing fantastically that's a phrase that he used Bill Ackman says Harvard losing tax exemption is fair game Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies we'll talk about that Netflix and other media stocks tumble on Trump's pledge to hit foreign films with 100% tariffs Feds Powell is about to defy Trump and hold rates steady Apple stock slips as Tim Cook says he's expecting a $900 million Q2 tariff hit Trump says he will not drop tariffs to get China to negotiating table apparently China wants to negotiate with them but they want them to they said there's a rumor that China's willing to negotiate but they just want the president to be respectful I don't know what that really means but that's

• 4:04Patrick Bet-David?

  apparently what's being talked about are politicians too old California Democrats want to debate an age gap cap on politicians I don't think that's gonna pass but they want it

• 4:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you guys been following this new podcast by, what's her name? My favorite one? Oh my god. No, have you seen this new podcast, Her Take? Oh. Is outperforming the former first lady. I was just gonna say Michelle Obama. Yeah. Gillian, Anna Kasparian, Amy Dangerfield, and Lyndy Lee outdid Michelle Obama's first show when it came out on their podcast, but Michelle Obama does have a podcast. And she's not happy. She said it was very expensive to live in a white house as a first lady. I thought she would, they should invite Michelle Obama on the podcast. That's challenging. And by the way, you know, it's challenging to see that, but Michelle Obama on the podcast on Her Take, that would be interesting. So Carney, we'll talk about that. Alberta wants to, some of the people in Alberta want them to completely disconnect from Canada

• 5:00Patrick Bet-David?

  and become their own country. Who knows? Maybe Alberta disconnects from Canada and Alberta becomes a 51st state. That would be kind of ideal, right? And they're like, look, you guys destroy Canada all you want. Some bad news, grand theft auto release was delayed to 2026. I know Humberto, a lot of people are furious. Humberto took a stress day off, right? No, he went to start robbing cars and hitting hookers because that's his. He's not happy. Allegedly. Allegedly. Former FBI director accuses Cash Patel of party animal lifestyle, and the next thing you know, they had to come back and apologize for what was said. They had to walk back their comments. Dave Portnoy says he's sending culprits behind anti-Semitic sign to Auschwitz to learn about Holocaust. That's what he's doing. A fifth of American

• 5:44Patrick Bet-David?

  adults can't read, folks. So can't read. I'm telling you, it's not our audience, but a fifth of American adults can't read. I'm trying to get the world to read, but here's how to teach them. We'll talk about that story. And then obviously Kentucky Derby, we had a great time. Sovereignty wins 2025 Kentucky Derby, beating out journalism. Sovereignty beats out journalism. And then we got a couple other stories here. I had journalism. Who'd you have bet? I actually accidentally bet on sovereignty. Let me tell you.

• 6:13Speaker 05

  I accidentally made $10 million.

• 6:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Dylan goes and says, I like to put this much money on this horse and this much money on that horse. And she's telling me, so I said, okay, but the lady thinks we said 18. So he comes like, I never said that. I said eight. Like Dylan, just leave it. So the one that we accidentally bet on ends up winning. Did you hear about that?

• 6:33Speaker 05

  No, but you know, the guy that had the look in his eyes was Rudolpho. He won five.

• 6:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Six horses.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  He wins five and then Pat goes, he's won five. And Rudolpho just shows up to the group and goes, I'm betting sovereignty. And we were like, I bet one bet.

• 6:48Patrick Bet-David?

  He picked one horse, six horses straight.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  And he won.

• 6:51Patrick Bet-David?

  The one horse he bet on every time he won, Rudolpho.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  Sovereignty was 15.

• 6:54Patrick Bet-David?

  He got a call from Kentucky Derby, they're hiring for that.

• 6:56Adam Sosnick?

  So did he actually bet sovereignty in the last night?

• 7:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He did, he bid.

• 7:01Adam Sosnick?

  I thought there was drama going on that he didn't actually bet it.

• 7:04Patrick Bet-David?

  He actually did, he actually did. My daughter bet on sovereignty as well, except she lost her ticket, $400 of winnings.

• 7:10Adam Sosnick?

  Stop it.

• 7:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, let me tell you, if you were in the car leaving, she was not so happy about it. She was upset at everybody.

• 7:15Adam Sosnick?

  Hey, she learned her lesson.

• 7:16Patrick Bet-David?

  We've all lost tickets. Anyways, okay, gang, let me tell you what announcement we got here. If you are somebody who served in the military, you know how we feel about you. Uh, next week is Armed Forces Day. And we're celebrating folks who were in the military. I was in the army. Vinnie here was in the air force. And so we came out with these hats simply because of a lot of people were asking about it. And here's how it looks. It's a future looks bright hat with the sticker, listen to it.

• 7:44Adam Sosnick?

  I love that.

• 7:45Speaker 05

  Oh, what?

• 7:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So you see it says future looks bright, but you get to put the USMC, future looks bright on there. We have it for Navy, future looks bright. We have it for Army Green, future looks bright. They're all here. And then we also have the, what do you call it? The shirts, Navy, Army, Air Force, what do you call it? Armed Forces that are there, Rob. What else do we have on there? Outside of that, we also have the new Angry Patriot. Vinnie, show us what you got there.

• 8:11Speaker 05

  So we have the Angry Patriot bucket hat, cause you know, we're in Florida, it's hot, you know? The weather's gonna start changing. Angry Patriot, Patriot in the front. Looks bright in the back and if you get anything, if you get this or you get any, anything from the Angry Patriot collection, you get a free Angry Patriot mug. And this hat is ridiculous.

• 8:28Patrick Bet-David?

  That's pretty sick, by the way.

• 8:29Speaker 05

  I love it. Put that thing on, Vinny. Put that thing on, buddy.

• 8:31Patrick Bet-David?

  And FYI, outside of that, you're gonna get dog tags, Vitamint dog tags that say, outwork, outstrategize, outimprove, and outlast for every order you place. But more importantly, we just want to say thank you to your service for everyone that served. I got a call from a guy yesterday telling me, he says, Pat, you know, I'm in, out of the country in Europe. I'm wearing my Future Looks Bright hat, I'm poolside. And he says, one by one by one, everybody would look at me and they would say, hey, I know about that, I know who that is. The community is getting bigger and bigger.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah.

• 9:03Patrick Bet-David?

  We want millions of people, it starts off with the first million. We want a million people wearing the Future Looks Bright gear. If you're somebody that loves this brand and you're optimistic about the future, go support this Future Looks Bright. And if you know somebody that's a vet who watches the podcast, watches Vitamint, get him this as a gift and send it to them, they'll be very happy that you did that. Okay, all right, so, let's go through a couple of things. First story I want to get into, Rob. Um, let's start off with the Hollywood story. The president is obviously not too happy with what's going on with Canada. And he comes out out of nowhere and starts talking about what's going on with Hollywood and what he's planning on doing with tariffs of people who are wanting to make movies outside of the States.

• 9:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I have the video here, but Rob, why don't we play the video and then I'll read the story. Go for it.

• 9:52Speaker 04

  The movie tariffs. Yeah, the movie tariffs, what they've done is other nations have been stealing the, the movies, the movie making capabilities from the United States. And I said to a couple of people, what do you think? I've done some very strong research over the last week. And we're making very few movies now. Hollywood is being destroyed. Now, you have an incompetent, grossly incompetent governor that allows that to happen. So I'm not just blaming other nations, but other nations, a lot of them, have stolen our movie industry. And I'm saying, if they're not willing to make a movie inside the United States, and we should have a tariff on movies that come in. And not only that, governments are actually giving big money.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  I mean, they're supporting them financially. So that's sort of a threat to our country in a sense, and uh...

• 10:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause that, Rob. By the way, do you realize him saying that privately, Ben Affleck watches that and says, "Good."

• 10:50Speaker 05

  Heck, yeah.

• 10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's one. Two, Rob, can you go to the Twitter, uh, to his X that he put up, or Truth Social that he put up? Cause he breaks it down fully on there. I don't know if you have it or not. If you have it, I'll let you look for it.

• 11:02Speaker 05

  It's just Trump said something about it?

• 11:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he said, "So, US President Trump announced a 100% tariff." There it is. "The movie industry in America is dying in a very fast death. Other countries are offering all sorts of incentives to draw our filmmakers and studios away from the US. Hollywood and many other areas within the US are being devastated. This is a concerted effort by other nations and therefore national security threat. It is in addition to everything else, messaging and propaganda. Therefore, I'm authorizing the Department of Commerce and the US Trade Representative to immediately begin the process of instituting a 100% tariff on any and all movies coming into our country that are produced in foreign lands. We want movies made in America again." By the way, who was it that said, "We don't do movies here anymore? We go to Ireland or we go to..."

• 11:45Speaker 05

  It was two podcasts. It was Rob Lowe.

• 11:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It was Rob Lowe, and who was the other one?

• 11:49Speaker 05

  And actor from Parks and Rec. He was the brother from Step Brothers, the, the...

• 11:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, and they said that the fact that they make movies out abroad because it's too expensive here?

• 11:59Speaker 05

  He goes, "Yeah, Rob, I put it in Slack somewhere like deep and, uh, early in this. If you just go to X and put Rob Lowe, movies, Hollywood." He's basically saying, "It's cheaper for us to get a 100-man crew and fly..."

• 12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  They may not be happy about this, though.

• 12:11Speaker 05

  Who, though? The, the...

• 12:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob Lowe.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, he's not, he doesn't want to fly overseas. This is it right here.

• 12:17Speaker 07

  Interesting that you shoot the floor there. It's cheaper to bring a hundred American people. Wow. To Ireland than to walk across the lot. Right. At Fox. Right. Pass the sound stages and do it there. Crazy. Do you think if we shot Parks right now, we would be in a mood of us?

• 12:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what are your thoughts on this?

• 12:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, first of all, why is it so expensive to walk across the lot at Fox and shoot a movie? Taxes in California, Tom. Taxes and unions.

• 12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but Tom, but hang on a second, Tom. This is my question. This is what I want clarity on. Okay, I got it. It's it's more expensive to walk across Fox. But Ireland, why not Austin? Why not Atlanta? Why not another place in US? Why do you have to go to Ireland? So you mean there's not other places cheaper in America that's cheaper than Hollywood for us to shoot?

• 13:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, there's so this is how it works. You go to Ireland and Ireland looks at a stack of money.

• 13:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 13:12Tom Ellsworth?

  And they say, you know, some of this we might have to give out in the winter as unemployment benefits. So rather than spend unemployment benefits, hey, I've got an idea. Why don't we give like 25% of it to a movie production company? And then they're going to pay a bunch of Irish people who are in the industry to be a grip, a cameraman, because we got people over here doing that.

• 13:32Speaker 07

  Of course.

• 13:33Tom Ellsworth?

  And they do that. Now they're going to bring their talent because there's not an Irish Brad Pitt. You know, they're going to bring all the stars. But you know what? Let's do that. And that's an economic incentive. And suddenly now Hollywood looks at it and says, well, if we got this incentive and then we pay people this, you know, we could afford to fly them over there and stay in low cost Irish hotels and stuff. And, you know, we could, we could film this. Now, if you're doing something like Highlander and things like this, great. You know, you could go film it in Ireland. If you're going to do Weekend at Bernie's, you know, you need to be in the Bahamas or Hawaii, right? But.

• 14:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's what I just.

• 14:06Tom Ellsworth?

  The incentives is what tips the scale.

• 14:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I just asked this question. I said, why are movies cheaper to make in Ireland than in America? Forget about how expensive California is to shoot, but why not in other states in America? Look what it says. Take that exact question and put it on there. Uh, put, yeah, put it in chat GPT and watch what comes out. So this is, this is what we, you know, zoom in. Ireland offers something called a section 481, a film tax credit of up to 32% on eligible Irish product costs.

• 14:36Tom Ellsworth?

  That's what I just described.

• 14:37Patrick Bet-David?

  It applies to domestic and international production and includes labor, local labor and some foreign cause. Favorable currency exchange rates, US dollars go further than euros. In post-production, lower government-backed production, support Ireland's government actively supports the film industry with bodies like Screen. Ireland providing funding and local insurance service, smaller fishing crews, Irish crews are highly skilled but work with leaner staff models. Less regulation, that's a big one, fewer permits, more flexible labor laws and smoother logistics, reduce delay, cost, compact. So Rob, then maybe ask the question compared to other states, okay, so that's the one I was looking at.

• 15:13Tom Ellsworth?

  And the unions have guarantees, they guarantee.

• 15:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Here or there?

• 15:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Here, the unions also have, it's not just the labor cost, Pat, it's that every production will have three grips. And two, you know, construction guys and three painters, they have minimums. So if you need something painted on the set, you have to hire three painters or you need three grips. And those are the, those are the staff guarantees. So in addition to being more expensive, they're guaranteeing the size of staff and over in Ireland, it just said they're leaner and smaller.

• 15:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Rob, can you ask the question, what is the equivalent of Ireland in America? What is the equivalent of Ireland in America?

• 15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You're gonna be fine, I'll correct it.

• 15:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Boston.

• 15:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Ireland in America.

• 15:54Patrick Bet-David?

  In regards to taxes, so let's see what it says. Georgia's gonna be one, they offer up to 30% taxes, 20% base, 10% including Georgia Logan credits.

• 16:03Tom Ellsworth?

  A lot of people go to Georgia.

• 16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's that, skilled crew base. So Tyler Perry Studios in Georgia, diverse filming location. Okay, then you have New Mexico, Louisiana, and North Carolina. So I guess those two states, if we're talking 32% in Ireland. If we're talking 32% in tax credit in Ireland. Why don't some of these states take that model and apply, now here's the thing.

• 16:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if Florida wants Hollywood to come down here. They've always been a little bit hesitant. And the reason for it is because if Hollywood comes to your state, guess who's coming? Liberals are coming to your state. Of course. Yeah. So, do you want that? So, there's also part of the risk where wherever Hollywood goes, they destroy that city. Thousand percent. You know Hollywood used to be in New Jersey at first, Thomas Edison. Thomas Edison ran Hollywood in New Jersey. And so, overregulation, eventually they're like, we're getting the hell out of here. They went to Burbank. And I watched what happened to Burbank and Hollywood. Now they're getting the hell out of there. So, no matter where you move them, who, guess who goes there? The liberals. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The fact that he's doing this to hurt a business like Canada. Rob, can you type in while you're doing, I'm gonna go to Adam.

• 17:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is Canada a destination for movie makers? Go ahead, Adam. Your thoughts on this?

• 17:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I mean, it comes down to a couple of things to me. Tax incentives, we understand that. I think, you mentioned Atlanta, I think New Orleans is one of the cities that also does that. Albuquerque, New Mexico. I even think Chicago.

• 17:30Adam Sosnick?

  You know, people were trying to save that money. So, you have tax incentives, I understand that. You also have lower production costs. Why are all the jobs shipped to China? Because it doesn't cost a lot of money to make things. So, you ship it out to other countries. So, but the other thing is that I want you guys to weigh in on is the different locations of where you need to shoot. So...

• 17:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Sets, look, yeah.

• 17:53Adam Sosnick?

  Not even so, yes, not even so much sets and looks. So, like, here's a quick little list for you. So, I'm not sure if this protectionism is probably the best thing. It might be a situation where you cut off your nose to spite your face. So, here's some of our favorite movies. And you can guess where they were filmed. How about that? PBD, some of your favorite movies. Saving Private Ryan and Braveheart. What country were those movies filmed in?

• 18:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Scotland?

• 18:19Adam Sosnick?

  Ireland. Not bad. Should've been Scotland, actually. Titanic, Mexico. Random. Why Mexico?

• 18:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, the water, a lot. I thought it was gonna be Montana.

• 18:29Adam Sosnick?

  No, no.

• 18:32Adam Sosnick?

  Where was Harry Potter filmed? The UK.

• 18:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course.

• 18:35Adam Sosnick?

  So, Lord of the Rings, it was in New Zealand. The Matrix was in Australia. So, all of our favorite movies were filmed somewhere because of locations, because of diversity. Passion of the Christ, take a guess where that was filmed?

• 18:49Patrick Bet-David?

  New Mexico.

• 18:50Adam Sosnick?

  Not New Mexico, buddy. Old Mexico, AKA Rome and even a little bit in Israel. So you have to understand, like, some movies, you're gonna have to travel the world to get to. But what's my point? Hire American workers to come in those shoots. So the idea of like Trump, protectionism, I don't want, alright, I get it. I see what you're saying. You're trying to protect American industries. But forget about American industries. Let's protect American workers. So in that clip, we said, it's cheaper to bring a hundred American workers to Ireland. I get that, but bring the workers so they can make money.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  Cause I have family that are, like, I have my cousins and I have a lot of people that are affected and aren't working because of this exact thing. Like, life is really not, it's not good in California right now, especially for those guys.

• 19:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I, I think my position on this, I, we've done a few videos on this where we did a deep dive on what's going on, the history of Hollywood, all the new stuff that they're coming up with. How to get an Oscar and all that shit that they came up with, where people are like, I'm done. I don't even give a shit about what's going on. Is, I don't know if, if the, the, this approach helps the creative industry. I don't know. I don't know if this approach helps the creative. Because creatives are what? They're, you know, they're, they're overly sensitive. And they have to be able to go anywhere and they can't be in a box.

• 20:17Patrick Bet-David?

  So I don't know if this works with the creative. I think it's the other way. Instead of like, um, imposing a, a tariff to hurt them. I think the incentive should be the other way around for the movie industry. Something like Georgia's doing. Especially if you want that market. I don't know if you want that market. Some states may not want that market. So I understand why Florida doesn't want Hollywood to come to Florida. They're like, nah, we'll get other people. You take that out of our state. Let them go to Austin and destroy Austin. Let them go to Burbank and destroy Burbank. Let them go to Atlanta and destroy Atlanta. You don't need to come over here. I understand that part as well, but what if he changed the incentive?

• 21:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Where instead of these guys going to Canada, you come over here, we're giving you certain incentives. And what if some states say, you know what? Like, you know how? Many, many years ago, Walt Disney was known as a cook. He was crazy. So when he went to Orlando and wanted to buy up land, they didn't want him to move Disney World to Orlando. Remember, so he opened up Disneyland first, I believe, then he opened up Disney World, if I'm not mistaken. So when they found out what happened to Disneyland, Florida's like, we don't want Disney over here. I think, fact check me there, because I think it was Disneyland before Disney World. So when he started going, yeah, Disneyland came first. So Disneyland came first, became big, then 16 years later, Disney World comes out.

• 21:40Adam Sosnick?

  Not even close.

• 21:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know how he bought up, how he built Disney World?

• 21:43Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 21:44Patrick Bet-David?

  He bought land under other people's names.

• 21:47Adam Sosnick?

  Oh.

• 21:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So Orlando didn't know that he was trying to build Disney World in Orlando.

• 21:53Adam Sosnick?

  Gangster.

• 21:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So who knows, if somebody wants to take a city like Orlando, what was Orlando in 1970? Nothing. Go, Rob, can you type in? Type in Orlando 1970.

• 22:06Adam Sosnick?

  Man, it was just no new.

• 22:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Pictures of Orlando 1970.

• 22:08Adam Sosnick?

  Horse country.

• 22:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Orlando 1970 pictures.

• 22:11Adam Sosnick?

  Not much going on, Papa.

• 22:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me see that.

• 22:13Adam Sosnick?

  There it is, look at that.

• 22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  That lake looks pretty good.

• 22:16Adam Sosnick?

  Oh.

• 22:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Clean. Gators and, you know.

• 22:19Adam Sosnick?

  Lake Okichobee.

• 22:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Crocodile.

• 22:20Adam Sosnick?

  Kissimmee.

• 22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, Tom, final thoughts before we move on from the story?

• 22:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, my curiosity is, is the president's tariff request just the movie industry? Or it's also post-production? Because post-production blends with video game development. Post-production and video game development are very, very similar these days.

• 22:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Good point.

• 22:37Tom Ellsworth?

  And by the way, check this out.

• 22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 22:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Movie industry global, $73 billion. So that's the global movie industry.

• 22:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 22:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Video game industry, how big is that?

• 22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  200 billion?

• 22:47Adam Sosnick?

  Probably way more, because there's a lot of nerds sitting around doing nothing.

• 22:50Tom Ellsworth?

  282. And most of it is, and most of it is the backend. And matter of fact, video game development companies do a lot of post. So my question is, um, you know, why don't other, I'm with you, Pat. Why don't other states do things to equalize it, number one, but we've talked about that. But number two, you know, far bigger is, is what's going on with video games. Because there's a lot of jobs that go outside the United States. Vancouver has a giant base, which would also be post-production, video game. And Montreal is an economic, you know, incentive zone in middle Montreal and there's a little tiny bit in Toronto, but actually not tiny tiny, but Vancouver had one of the largest studios for EA. Madden Football was made in Vancouver, my understanding.

• 23:33Adam Sosnick?

  Quick question for PBD. I just, for the, for the families out there, the parents out there. Tom just talked about video games. I know you were part of Jam Dad and everything with that.

• 23:40Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm talking about post-production that relates to the movie industry and the talent. There's a ton of that in Canada.

• 23:45Adam Sosnick?

  Copy that, Pat. Tom, do you let your kids play video games whenever they want? What's your protocol with video games? Cause I have a stance on video games. I think it ruins kids if they do too much of it. How do you handle this?

• 23:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, so I found out from Humberto that the world is furious because this game, where's that game, Rob? Grand Theft Auto. Grand Theft Auto was supposed to come out early and now they're saying it's not going to be coming out to 2026. What page is that on Rob?

• 24:11Adam Sosnick?

  Page 12. How are these kids gonna survive with Grand Theft Auto 2024?

• 24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's not going to be coming out till 2020, Grand Theft Auto. Apparently it's like a billion dollar video game drop. It's going to be the biggest drop of all time when it comes down to a video game, you know, this Grand Theft Auto. Now they're saying it's going to be May 26 of 2025 from its fall 2025 release, causing shares to drop nearly 7%. We support fully Rockstar Games taking additional time to realize their creative vision for Grand Theft Auto. Is it 11? What is that? What is V1? V1 is what? Is V1?

• 24:44Adam Sosnick?

  Version 1?

• 24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no.

• 24:46Adam Sosnick?

  6.

• 24:47Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. Which promises to be groundbreaking blockbuster entertainment experience. The delay pushes the game into fiscal 2027, impacting booking expectation though. Take two expectations, increases in net bookings for fiscal 2026. Grand Theft Auto franchise takes two's crown jewel, saw Grand Theft Auto V sell over 200 million copies since 2013. Damn. Making it one of the best-selling video games ever. The first GTA trailer release is December, December, December, December. The female lead drawn more than 100 million views in 24 hours. Okay. So yeah, for me.

• 25:21Adam Sosnick?

  What are these nerds gonna do without this updated video game? I feel so bad for them.

• 25:25Patrick Bet-David?

  It is a big industry. For us.

• 25:26Adam Sosnick?

  But what do you do with your kids?

• 25:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, my son has a 79 in one of his grades. He hasn't played a single second of video game for the last five weeks.

• 25:35Adam Sosnick?

  Good.

• 25:35Patrick Bet-David?

  If you have a C, you don't get any video games in the house.

• 25:38Adam Sosnick?

  I love that.

• 25:39Patrick Bet-David?

  One, okay? So if you, if you, and summer's coming here, by the way. If you go into the summer or Christmas with a C, you're not playing for summer, you're not playing for three months. And Tom's seen it, and Vinny's seen it.

• 25:50Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's a straight up, so for us, there's standards. And if you, you know, then that means you have to read documentary, you have to watch documentaries every day, certain books you gotta go through. But, uh, no. What, what did Ray Lewis say at the birthday party? Ray Lewis said, um, back in the days, you know, parents used to do what with their kids? Remember when he said it was, it was about, uh, love and something? And now we just hand them over a phone. He says, what, what did he say? Do you remember what he said in his speech?

• 26:19Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, he was talking about love, he was talking about respect. These phones are basically raising these kids.

• 26:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, now, all we're doing is hand them over the phone. Like, hey, here, here's a phone for you. No, I think it's, uh, I think it's a tragedy. I think it's a mistake. I think adults are falling for it, let alone kids. So for me, you just gotta create, a guy messaged me yesterday, a guy named Taylor. He knows who he is, with, uh, Kingston. Good guy. And he says, hey, uh, you know, uh, how do you get your kids to lock it in? And keep reading the books and not play the video games? I said, it's not easy to do. It's a discipline that the father needs to keep. And unless if you change the incentives, nothing's gonna change about it.

• 26:56Adam Sosnick?

  You show them The Wedding Crashers, and they say, you lock it up. No, you lock it up. No, you lock it up.

• 27:00Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way.

• 27:00Adam Sosnick?

  That's what needs to happen.

• 27:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You and Rob have some sick shoes on today, dog. You guys look good. Look at Rob's shoes, those on cloud, man. Frickin' amazing. All right, let's go to the next one. You know, we were thinking, we had an idea last week, thinking about sending Adam to Alcatraz, and then Trump came up with the idea.

• 27:15Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 27:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So Trump orders Alcatraz prison be reopened for the dregs of society. And people lost their mind. And by the way, you know when he says this? He says this while Roger Goodell is standing right behind him. Can you imagine Roger Goodell's like? Dude, you could've chosen any other story but this one. But go ahead, Rob, play this clip.

• 28:06Speaker 01

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• 28:36Speaker 09

  It represents something very strong, very powerful in terms of law and order. Our country needs law and order. Alcatraz is, I would say, the ultimate, right? Alcatraz, Sing Sing and Alcatraz, the movies. But it's right now a museum, believe it or not. A lot of people go there. It housed the most violent criminals in the world. And nobody ever escaped. One person almost got there, but they, as you know, the story, they found his clothing rather badly ripped up. And it was a lot of shark bites, a lot of, a lot of problems. What the hell is he talking about? Nobody's ever escaped from Alcatraz. Just represented something strong, having to do with law and order. We need law and order in this country.

• 29:21Speaker 09

  And so we're going to look at it. Some of the people up here are going to be working very hard on that. And we had a little conversation. I think it's going to be very interesting. We'll see if we can bring it back in large form, add a lot. But I think it represents something. Right now, it's a big hulk that's sitting there rusting and rotting. Very, you look at it, it's sort of, you saw that picture that was put out, it's sort of amazing. But it sort of represents something that's both horrible and beautiful and strong and miserable, weak. It's got a lot of, it's got a lot of qualities that are interesting. And I think they, they make a point.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  Listen, is that the mayor?

• 30:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna go to Tom first. I don't know who she is, but she's sitting there saying.

• 30:14Speaker 05

  She a mayor for something?

• 30:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Tom.

• 30:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I think the great troller strikes again. He's talking to somebody. You don't always know who Trump's talking to, but he's talking to somebody here. And people are losing their mind. And I think he does that. And I think sometimes he does that on a Monday because he's got something he's gonna do on Tuesday, and he wants everybody to be running over, "Look over here, look over here." And so I think that's what's going on. I mean, Alcatraz, it would be god awful expensive to retrofit it and to build it again and to do everything that they want to do.

• 30:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think it's worth doing? Do you think you should do it?

• 30:46Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, no. It's a museum now, and you don't need to preserve the museum. But if you look out there, we understand the thought that they had at the time they did it, but it would be way too-

• 30:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think it's a bad idea?

• 31:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Do I think it's a bad idea to have a prison like Alcatraz? Do I think it's a bad idea to have the Leavenworths and the Alcatrazes? No, I don't. Because I think there needs to be fear in criminals. I don't want to go there. I don't want to go there.

• 31:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, your thoughts on this?

• 31:15Speaker 05

  Well-

• 31:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Troll, is there any ounce of seriousness in this? Adam, turn off your lights.

• 31:19Speaker 05

  I think there's a slight seriousness, but at the same token, anything to piss off the left, Pat, when you were on Jesse Waters yesterday, I think it's hilarious. But at the same token, it's like, hey, the left is furious. They're still talking about it. CNN was talking about it last night. Abby Phillip, Scott Jennings, Batia Sargon, she was on there as well. They're still talking about it, and the left is furious with due process. And you know what? Open it up. This is giving them a solution. Prisons, open up a prison and put these people in there. These murdering, rapist, drug dealer illegals.

• 32:00Speaker 05

  Guess what? If you knew that that's the option, besides going to El Salvador, you're gonna be put into that prison that's surrounded by trucks and you know you're not getting out, good.

• 32:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Take the thousand bucks, whip out the app, get out.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  Get the hell out of here.

• 32:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, 1.2 to 1.6 million go there every year. $60 million in revenue this thing generates. There's small businesses locally that purely rely on this. Is it worth him-

• 32:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Turning this and activating this jail again, Adam.

• 32:27Adam Sosnick?

  No, this is absurd. And I have some videos of when I went to Alcatraz a few years ago. This would have been in 2019, I believe. But, listen, with Trump, you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. So, the best advice I can give to anybody out there who just follows every Trump word, whether you love him or whether you dislike him, is watch what he does, don't listen to what he says. Because if you listen to what he says and go down the rabbit hole of, "We're building Alcatraz", I'm like, "Oh, my God." So, if you show that video of Alcatraz, you can see it. The second video, it is dilapidated, it is falling apart. It is not anything that is even, I think it closed in 1960.

• 33:10Adam Sosnick?

  I think it opened in the 1850s, it was open for 100 years. It had famous criminals like Al Capone, I think the original Machine Gun Kelly, not the one who paints his nails. It is, it is deeply, deeply rundown. And this is something that is so manufactured. It's like, Pat says all the time, "Look over here and don't avoid what's going, and avoid what's going over here." I think it's an absolute, just sort of non-starter, and I see this going nowhere.

• 33:40Speaker 05

  But maybe, maybe, Adam, you know, maybe it should be just, I don't, rundown or whatever, if you're here illegally and you murder or rape or do something like that to an American citizen, I don't, what are any five-star accommodations?

• 33:52Adam Sosnick?

  Do you think there's a shortage of jails in America?

• 33:55Speaker 05

  Yes, there actually is.

• 33:56Adam Sosnick?

  No, there's actually not. We have more jails than any- Exactly.

• 33:59Speaker 05

  And they're filled, you need more jails.

• 34:01Adam Sosnick?

  Maybe we need to stop jailing people who are convicted of-

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Are jails overcrowded in the United States?

• 34:06Adam Sosnick?

  Little crimes like weed or small little things.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  I'm not talking about weed, I'm talking about-

• 34:09Adam Sosnick?

  Really-

• 34:10Speaker 05

  I'm talking about illegals-

• 34:11Adam Sosnick?

  Penalize the worst of the worst of the worst.

• 34:13Patrick Bet-David?

  The challenge we have with our jails is, we have too many inmates. We have 100,000 more people in prisons in America than all of China. And China's population is 1 and 1/2 billion.

• 34:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's a jail and prison capacity crisis, so guess what? Open a new one!

• 34:27Adam Sosnick?

  And jails are also a business.

• 34:29Speaker 05

  Well, we can't ship them, we can't ship all of El Salvador-

• 34:31Adam Sosnick?

  This is such a slippery slope that we're talking about right here.

• 34:33Speaker 05

  I love it, I love it.

• 34:34Adam Sosnick?

  We need to get people out of jails and rehabilitated and not just throw the book at them. And then, what's it called when, uh- When you return to jail, reci- reci- what's the word?

• 34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Recidivation rate.

• 34:46Adam Sosnick?

  Recidivation rate?

• 34:47Speaker 05

  Great word.

• 34:48Adam Sosnick?

  Man, I can't even say that word.

• 34:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Very high.

• 34:49Adam Sosnick?

  And like, you get out of jail and then just go right back in.

• 34:52Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a training ground.

• 34:52Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  But here's my, my, my question is this though, these illegals, illegal, but remember that word, that the left is fighting for it and flying over to go see, do you understand when they go through the courts, how many court, they have to go to court and over and over with our money and all this probably defendant, no, that, that, that's bullshit. Put them, if you're here illegally and you're murdering and killing people, goo- good.

• 35:15Adam Sosnick?

  Nobody's arguing that people that murder and kill and rob and rape should go to jail. Nobody's arguing that.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  Where are you gonna put them?

• 35:23Adam Sosnick?

  It's whether they should go to Alcatraz.

• 35:24Speaker 05

  But where would you put them?

• 35:24Adam Sosnick?

  You know what, it's, it turns out they've found, they've found tons of places to put them.

• 35:29Speaker 05

  No, no, not tons.

• 35:30Adam Sosnick?

  By the way, is Guantanamo Bay still, still, uh, operating?

• 35:34Speaker 05

  What base?

• 35:34Adam Sosnick?

  Guantanamo Bay, Gitmo?

• 35:36Speaker 05

  Of course it is.

• 35:37Adam Sosnick?

  Is it still operating?

• 35:37Tom Ellsworth?

  I think it's still, I think it's still.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  That's full two with terrorists.

• 35:40Adam Sosnick?

  The worst of the worst.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  They got terrorists in there.

• 35:42Adam Sosnick?

  Well, here's the question, why do we have so many more prisoners in the United States than anywhere else in the world? Why is that a thing, PBD? You've done a breakdown of this, right?

• 35:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do we have more?

• 35:51Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 35:52Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a business model, it's very profitable and we, there's, there's a lot of people that rely on that business. But, uh, the unfortunate thing is, once you go in, you're, you're, you're getting an MBA on crime from everybody else that's in there. So when you get out, you're picking up ways to make money even in more creative ways. So you go out, you get, you commit another crime and you come back and you go out, you come back and that's the whole resi-

• 36:18Adam Sosnick?

  Recidivism.

• 36:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Recidivation rate. Recidivation rate, so, but, uh, no, I don't know, there's, there's a part of me when I think about this, I, um, I like, and there's a part of me to put the fear of what it looks like. I mean, look, if you think about what Bukele did, what's Bukele's business model? Maybe the president is sitting there realizing he can't send US inmates, criminals to-

• 36:44Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you call it to Salvador? So if you can't do that, the business model works. Build a place to scare the crap out of everybody.

• 36:52Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 36:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And guess what? Alcatraz scared the crap out of a lot of people. You know, and that story about the myth with the shark and all this other stuff, you know? If there is, if there isn't, you know, some of it, they say it's a myth, some of it, they say it's real. The water's super cold. Sharks are attracted to cold. There's three different types of sharks that are around Alcatraz. But it's super cold water. I don't know. If you're, if it is true that you're seeing what happened to Salvador to clear up the crime? And you record who's living in Alcatraz? And how terrible it is? That's a great advertisement. Go ahead and commit a crime, see what we do to you. Do it, I dare you. Go do something to an underage kid. See where we put you and see what we do to you. Can make an example of it. In that sense, I get it. How serious I think he is about this, I think it's 5%.

• 37:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think he's that serious about it. I think it's just a another thing that he's trying to get under the liberal skin and every single time he just succeed. Every time he knows how to do it. Here's the next story. Trump says he will not stop. He will not drop tariffs to get China to a negotiating table. He will not drop tariffs to get China to the negotiating table. US President Trump in an NBC meet the press interview with host Kristen Welker refused to drop tariffs to bring China to a trade talk stating no, when asked if he would ever lower them and adding at some point, I'm going to lower them because otherwise you would never do business with them. He claimed China's getting killed right now with their factories closing and unemployment going through the roof. Asserting his tariffs are devastating China's economy.

• 38:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump defended his tariff strategy, arguing it would benefit, it benefits large industries. Telling Welker the car industry are going to make a fortune and citing multi-billion dollar investment from companies like Toyota, Honda, General Motors, Stellantis and Apple to build US plants. Is this the one, Rob, that we're talking about?

• 38:39Speaker 10

  Yes, I've, so it's separated into two clips. The first clip is him talking about not lowering the tariffs. The second one is him talking about the benefits on the auto industry. Which one would you prefer?

• 38:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Play both of them.

• 38:49Speaker 10

  Okay.

• 38:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Play both of them.

• 38:50Speaker 10

  Here's the first one.

• 38:52Speaker 11

  You're not dropping the tariffs against China to get them to the negotiating table. Those tariffs are staying on.

• 38:57Speaker 09

  Why would I do that?

• 38:58Speaker 11

  Would you lower them?

• 39:00Speaker 09

  At some point, I'm going to lower them because otherwise you could never do business with them. And they want to do business very much. Look, their economy is really doing badly. Their economy is collapsing.

• 39:10Speaker 10

  And then here's the auto tariffs.

• 39:13Speaker 11

  So, small businesses say they are being hurt by the Chinese tariffs and some could be forced to shut down.

• 39:20Speaker 09

  And many businesses are being helped.

• 39:21Speaker 11

  Are you considering tariff relief for small businesses?

• 39:24Speaker 09

  Why do you always mention that, you know, you pick up a couple of little businesses? What about the car business? They're going to make a fortune because of the tariffs. Do you know that the union, the head of the union, who was no fan of mine, Fain, Sean Fain, I guess his name is, right? He didn't endorse me. The Teamsters did, a lot of people did, a lot of unions did, but he didn't, he couldn't stand me. Now he's saying, wow, what Trump's done for the automobile, I can't believe it. I assume he's going to probably now say, the next thing you can say is, I endorse this guy, he's the greatest I've ever seen, he can't believe it's happened. He said, we've been waiting 40 years for somebody to do what Trump is doing. So why don't you mention the big car industry instead of mentioning somebody that's doing strollers?

• 40:08Speaker 11

  Well, I'm just asking you about small businesses. Are there any discussions about giving any relief to small businesses?

• 40:13Speaker 09

  They're not going to need it.

• 40:16Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 40:17Speaker 09

  They're going to make so much money.

• 40:18Speaker 11

  Are these tariffs?

• 40:19Speaker 09

  If you build your product here, remember, there are no tariffs if you build your product here. It's very easy. It's very simple. Pause right there, Tom, thoughts?

• 40:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, one thing the president's really right about, and the mainstream media is not talking about it, but I found an article in the Wall Street Journal, and there's a couple, couple writers for the Journal that I happen to like, one of them I like, because of the quality of his work and he's very numbers oriented. So they pointed out, how bad is China's economy? Well, in the fourth quarter of '23, they suddenly stopped releasing data on certain things. For instance, I'll show you this. China's unemployment for ages 16 to 24, we see here, there it is. Keep going, keep going, Rob. Rob's got the article, fantastic. Unemployment, keep, one more, one more, one more, so people can see it.

• 41:16Tom Ellsworth?

  No, that's on sale. One more. There it is. Watch this, Pat. So the unemployment rate for people 16 to 24, China is releasing it. Adam, look at this. Tell me what you think. All of a sudden, the data stops toward the end in the middle of 2023. Why does it stop? It stops because the line was crossing 20%. The unemployment rate for people 16 to 24 in China is over 20%. And similarly, they showed the number of people in urban areas who are receiving China's equivalent of unemployment benefits. You can go one more chart there. Uh, one more chart. No, go back,

• 41:57Tom Ellsworth?

  go back up. Well, he's getting that unemployment benefits. One more. There. No.

• 42:02Speaker 10

  Unemployed insurance benefits?

• 42:03Tom Ellsworth?

  That's it. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, the number of people is heading toward 3 million. Look at those numbers going up. That's the effect that the rest of the world had on COVID when they couldn't buy stuff and they were locked up. So China is suppressing its stats so that the rest of the world cannot see what's going on. And Trump is correct that the Chinese economy, specifically the real estate industry and unemployment among the youth and people getting welfare in big cities is rising. Unemployment is now over 20% for those people 16 to 24. So Trump is correct. China's economy is in a tough spot. However, when you have a government that really doesn't care about its people and a government says, oh, we're playing the long

• 42:47Tom Ellsworth?

  game, the long game includes incredible misery and hardship on the inside of its country, and yet it doesn't let everybody see it. And thank you to the Wall Street Journal for digging up all this stuff where the data stops. They stopped releasing data to the rest of the world so it cannot be used to negotiate with them or against them. But it's, it's bad.

• 43:09Adam Sosnick?

  So, the question is what? Should we decouple from China? Are these tariffs working? Are there reciprocal tariffs working? We imposed 140%. I think they hit back at 125%. Is the question whether this is a good deal or a bad deal? I guess what's the question that we're looking, that we're solving for right now?

• 43:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, Trump said China's economy was in trouble, and if you make point one, point two, he said the American auto industry, including the unions, are gonna thank him. And I think Ford CEO Jim Farley was already saying, hey, I may have to update my, uh, my guidance for the year, and my revenue, and my profit, but I make more here than anybody else, and I think we're ultimately gonna be a win. And then, the unions allegedly have now come out and said, you know, this does help our union workers.

• 43:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you really asking, what is the question?

• 43:56Adam Sosnick?

  So, I'm trying to under-

• 43:56Patrick Bet-David?

  After a minute and a half I was talking about it, you're saying, what's the question?

• 43:59Adam Sosnick?

  That's not what I had-

• 44:00Patrick Bet-David?

  We just said, so Trump says he will not drop tariffs to come to get China to the negotiating table. If you have thoughts, if you want us to clarify, it's, what do you think about it? Is that a good strategy? Will China come to the table? Should, uh, US lower the tariffs to go to the, what are your thoughts? If you don't have thoughts, you don't have thoughts.

• 44:18Adam Sosnick?

  No, that's not what I said. I do have thoughts. Go ahead.

• 44:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so go ahead. What are your thoughts on it?

• 44:21Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, if, uh, there was multiple points here that he made.

• 44:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Then make your, just give your feedback on all of them.

• 44:26Adam Sosnick?

  I will, I will. Okay, so, I mean, before you ask me, what's my point? I wanted you to know what you think I should talk about. But the point is, I think China is gonna do, is going to, um, not come to the table anytime soon. Why? Because they have no problem treating their people like absolute crap. And they're preparing their people for winter. They're basically saying, Game of Thrones style, winter is coming, we have no plans of negotiating with the US anytime soon. Why? Because Trump is gonna be out of office in the next four years. Who knows if he's doing his 2028 song and dance? Doubt it. Xi's, when is Xi's term up? Um, never. So, we need to be prepared in the United States for Xi to be here for a long time, and for these Chinese tariffs to basically have to be dealt with now. At

• 45:08Adam Sosnick?

  the same time, I'm not defending Chinese tariffs. China needs to be dealt with. They're stealing everything, intellectual, uh, IP theft, they're, they're, uh-

• 45:17Adam Sosnick?

  Deflating their currency, they need to be dealt with. Everything that happened during COVID, I'm no fan of what's going on in China. But we have four-year terms and they've got lifetime terms. So, you know, there's something called made in America. What percentage of products are made in America versus made around the world? 10% of products are apparently made in America versus 90% of sourced products come from around the world. So if we think we're just gonna flip a switch and just everything's gonna get made in America, real quickly, I doubt that. China, 10 years ago, had a mantra, you know this PBD, it was called what? "Made in China 2025." What frickin' year are we in? 2025. China's been preparing for this

• 45:59Adam Sosnick?

  trade war for over a decade. So, uh, is Trump right in taking on China? Yes. Do I think this is gonna be an easy battle and China's just gonna bow to the United States? Highly doubt that. That's my point.

• 46:14Speaker 05

  I just, you know what it reminds me of? You know what China reminds me of? Remember Maximus in the end of Gladiator? Where Commodus, Joaquin Phoenix stabs him? But he's out there and he's still fighting and you can't, you don't know that he's been stabbed and he's acting like everything's okay? That's China right now. Just, Tom, you just named everything that's happening with them. Everything's falling apart, but they're up there and they're acting tough. I think to fight, Adam, to go against that beast that you're talking about, that, that empire, we, we don't hold back. You go 100% because at the end of the day, it's a trade war. We're at war with these people and we don't let up on them. If we're gonna have that adjustment, Pat, that's what we have to do.

• 46:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom. Well, Adam, China has backed down like ethane. Ethane, which is a petrochemical, which leads to the production of plastic. They dropped their 125% tariff. And then when questioned by Reuters, they said, "The official declined the comment due to the sensitivity of the matter."

• 47:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:08Tom Ellsworth?

  So, why did they go from 125% tariff on ethane down to zero? Because they had to. It's a blink, but they won't talk about it. And it was, it was not announced publicly. It happened, happened over a weekend. Gee, why would it happen over a weekend, Adam? It's because they don't want the US, they don't want CNBC to pick up on it. So they're starting to blink in little ways. Are they formidable? Am I worried about things that they could do? Damn right I am. But they are, they are blinking and their internal economy sucks.

• 47:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the thing that they, they both have a very strategic mindset, but a dark mindset. Let me explain. Imagine you have a leader's bulletin. Where you're playing a game of football, okay? And one team, you know the score, the other team you don't know the score.

• 48:00Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's like, okay, how bad are they doing? We don't know. One team's got 28 points, are they ahead? No, we don't know, we don't know what the other team is doing. Can we know their score? No, why? Because it's not being reported. What do you mean we can't know the score of where they're at? We're just not reporting it. Okay, so what's the benefit about being a private company versus a public company? What happens when you're a publicly traded company? Everybody knows everything that's going on with the company, you have to report it, you took public money. So publicly traded company, there's conference calls that you can jump on, shareholder conference calls, and they'll say, here's what's going on, the CEO will talk, maybe the CFO will talk, and they'll tell you why their numbers are lower. The expectation for Q2 and all this other. America is a publicly traded company.

• 48:44Patrick Bet-David?

  China is a private company. Which means what data do we have of China? Whatever they tell us. If they don't tell us anything, what do we know about them? We know nothing. So China can say, how are things? Oh, we're killing it. Yeah, you're killing the job market. Yeah, you're killing the job market for the youth. But guess what? Our social media companies are not there, so we can't get the videos. Their social media companies are not here, so we don't know what they're reporting on. You know, they can't communicate with us. Their people can't communicate out to release anything that's going on with them, or else they can get arrested. Any of that data, and if Jack Ma used to be a guy that we used to watch, every week there was something on Jack Ma. Jack Ma just said this, Jack Ma just said this, Jack. When's the last time you heard anything from Jack Ma? Nothing. Why would he? Since 2020. See, that's the thing with China. He was on vacation.

• 49:29Patrick Bet-David?

  China will make, if God forbid, you leak anything, like you know Loose Lips? You know the mob site that Loose Lips thing ships? In China, if you have loose lips, you go and disappear. Oh yeah. You disappear, your wealth disappears, everything disappears.

• 49:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So what's the point? We have to believe whatever they tell us. What's your unemployment rate? Our unemployment rate's been .2%. Everybody has a job, they're all doing well. Says who? Says we. Oh, who comes up with the report? Who audited it? Nobody. Us, the Chinese government. Oh, so we have to believe it. Oh, our economy is on fire. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, it's on fire, but the bad kind of fire, not the good kind of fire, right? So that's the part that we don't know. But this is what came out a couple of weeks ago. China open to talks if US shows respect. That's what they want. They want US to show respect. And Trump can't do that if he wants to.

• 50:29Patrick Bet-David?

  But Trump is gonna sit there and say, look, I'll give you respect if you want, but I'm not giving you anything else with all the hundreds of billions of dollars that we've lost with you. So they have a very different mindset of thinking. They're kind of cornered right now because if anything's released from China, if anything dark happens with China, everyone's gonna know this time around, they're not gonna second guess it. There's not gonna be a Nancy Pelosi in Chinatown saying, leave the Chinese alone, this virus didn't come from China. No, call it the China virus because it came from China. Do you remember those days where every day we have to hear about China virus? Stopping and then Chinese people were like, you have to stop saying that, that rate, that's racist. And you're talking, no, no, I'm just saying it because it came from China. Matter of fact, Rob, can you find that clip?

• 51:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't watch that clip enough where the lady says, I'm offended with your saying China virus. If you just type in China virus Trump. Oh, it was a press conference. It was a press conference. Yeah, it was, and that's the one, that's the lady right there. It's the lady right there. Watch this one, okay? Watch.

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• 52:22Speaker 12

  Why do you keep calling this the Chinese virus? There are reports of dozens of incidents of bias against Chinese Americans in this country. Your own aide, Secretary Azar, says he does not use this term. He says ethnicity does not cause the virus. Why do you keep using this? Why do you say it's racist?

• 52:41Speaker 09

  It's not racist at all, no, not at all. It comes from China. That's why. Comes from China. I want to be accurate.

• 52:51Speaker 05

  And I wanted to ask you, I wanted to ask you, because while you were saying that, if you say anything, if you open your mouth, you disappear. Rob, I just sent you something. I'm going to ask you to play it. It might be long, Rob, you could probably speed it up if we have to. Where are the deflectors? Where are the defectors? Where are the, where are the people that are there? I understand they're under a regime and their life is, can any of them open their mouth? Come here, we'll give them some type of protection or something. We want to know what's happening. Did you see that this is the CIA release? Because we need these people to come here, right? We want some information. The CIA released a video to encourage the Chinese to rebel against their government. John Ratcliffe even talked about it. And this is China responded with its own video. And it's short and sweet, basically saying that we will, what? Did you see this, Tom?

• 53:37Speaker 05

  Which one you want him to play? I think, Rob, the, this openly trying to recruit defectors. I think this is the one, Rob. I'm going to send you this one. But basically what I'm saying is that shouldn't some of these people come out and say, hey, listen, this is what's happening. Give us some protection, we'll come here, we'll let you know. This one? This is the, this is the CIA openly trying to recruit. Watch it.

• 53:57Speaker 13

  在党内，我一边往上升，一边看着比我职位高的人一个个被弃如敝履。但现在我意识到，我的命运与他们同样的岌岌可危。

• 54:10Speaker 14

  The United States Central Intelligence Agency is attempting to lure Chinese officials and workers to spy for Washington. On May 1st, the CIA released two polished videos in Mandarin, aiming to tap into discontent with the Chinese Communist Party.

• 54:24Speaker 15

  Trying to get some people.

• 54:25Speaker 13

  我无法决定结局，我的命。

• 54:29Speaker 14

  The short films depict a senior CCP official and a junior government worker with access to classified information. Both become disillusioned with China's leadership and ultimately approach the CIA. After Beijing paged senior officials and military leaders in swift anti-corruption campaigns, the CIA is hopeful that its efforts will encourage senior officials to turn on their own country.

• 54:50Speaker 13

  迈出第一步总是最艰难的。是时候做出

• 54:55Speaker 05

  And it's out there, it's public, they posted on X. Let it keep going.

• 54:59Speaker 14

  The CIA also provided dark web contact information for those willing to respond to its call for espionage. According to a CIA official, the US is not only seeking counterintelligence, but also information on advanced science, military and cyber technology, economic data, and China's foreign policy secrets.

• 55:17Speaker 05

  Well, they're they're out in the open asking for it. My mind, I was just like, hey, where are some of these people that would come here and give us some like, give us the real information of what's happening? What do you think about that?

• 55:26Tom Ellsworth?

  I think this is good. I mean, if they're gonna spy on us, we're gonna spy on them. And you know what, the the the part that's, you gotta remember in their media, think about their media. Their media uses the phrase, there was a, there was a public disturbance and they were led away. And you find the Chinese translation of led away, yeah, led away to where? Jack Ma was led away to some two-year vacation we didn't know about. And then he suddenly shows up again and he's saying less about it and everything. Oh, maybe he was in Tokyo for two years. Well, if he was, he was having a very quiet time in Tokyo. What you're showing me here, I think this is great. This is what our government should be doing. If the rules are different in China, then we also

• 56:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Need to, look, this is defense. This is like, this is like military. You had so many nuclear warheads, Russia. We've got even bigger, badder nuclear warheads. You're gonna recruit people to spy and things like tricking Eric Swalwell with the

• 56:22Adam Sosnick?

  Christine Fang Fang?

• 56:23Tom Ellsworth?

  With the money, honey, and getting information out of him. Guess what? We're gonna do it too.

• 56:28Adam Sosnick?

  Well, there's, there's a word that keeps coming up and coming up and coming up, and that word is fairness. You know, fair trade, free trade, what's the difference with that? You know, one of the words that your core tenet to your family was also tolerance, right? Which you basically dropped. You're like, no, no, no, no, we gotta stop being so tolerant. So, it's almost like, um, uh, free trade, these countries out there are basically saying, free trade for me, but closed borders for thee. It's, it's a two-way street here, so I, I, it, I do understand what Trump is doing. I advocate for what Trump is doing. I just think it's going to take a long time, and I think people are gonna pay the price. Open markets for me is what these countries are saying, but closed borders for thee. Speaking

• 57:09Adam Sosnick?

  of tolerance, so, Jack Ma, you know, he says something, he disappears. How many, how many other Jack Mays do, do we not know about? We don't know all these people's names. How many people go missing? You know, in America, we have the luxury of criticizing whoever we want, for the most part, unless you get censored. But, uh, you disappear in China, so there's a price to pay right there. Also, um, technology, their social media apps can come here, their, their tech companies, Alibaba, Jack Ma's company, come here. We can't operate in China, you said this the other day, I think, on Jesse Waters. By the way, Russia, just as, as an example, they can have media over here, RT, we've seen their, we can't operate in

• 57:50Tom Ellsworth?

  RT's gone, wasn't it?

• 57:52Adam Sosnick?

  Well, even also, even also, if you take in another thing with tolerance, you know, this might offend some people out there, uh, for my friends, um, in the Middle East, if for Islam, why can you operate and bring your methodology and ideology to America and all around the world? Anywhere you want, into any country in the EU, into the United States, but good luck operating a church or a synagogue in Saudi Arabia or in Syria? So there's a storyline here. It's, the world could bring whatever they want to the United States, but when the United States, whether it's our products or our culture, wanna bring it elsewhere, no, no, no, no, no, no. Closed borders. So there is a double standard that you can definitely criticize.

• 58:37Speaker 05

  Can I ask you a question, Adam? When you said it's gonna hurt and this tariff and everything, is it worth it? Is it worth us feeling this pain right now to get and destroy China's chokehold on us? I say yes. I say it's the future of this country. And you know what? Sometimes you gotta get punched in the face and you gotta get knocked down for the future, for our children, for the... Because, Adam, if not, nothing is gonna change. And this pain that everybody's feeling, easier said than done, I get it. We're all feeling it. Everybody's feeling it. But it has to be done. Nobody wants to say it.

• 59:09Tom Ellsworth?

  I need to interject. What pain are you talking about?

• 59:12Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly. How bad is this pain?

• 59:13Tom Ellsworth?

  The pain is a headline. Let's be careful that we don't accidentally cultivate some words that are in headlines that maybe aren't quite there yet.

• 59:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Excuse me. Are there some impacts of tariffs? Yes. But what did they just do? There was a study last week with 10,000 items from Walmart, and Walmart said that they were holding the prices flat, that consumers had not seen a change on that. Home Depot said, "We're holding the prices flat." So I want to just encourage you and us to be careful about, "Well, we gotta feel the pain for a while." Wait a minute. I'm waiting to see quantitative pain. We're not seeing quantitative pain that says the Fed's saying, "Wow, things are going so badly, I gotta drop interest rates." That's not happening yet. So is there a lot of talk? Yes. Is there people like Ford that are revising their estimate of sales for the year? Yes. But to say that we're all in horrible pain?

• 1:00:02Adam Sosnick?

  I didn't say horrible pain.

• 1:00:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Look at your 401K, man. 401K has come back higher than it was on April 1st, before Liberation Day. So there's some things coming forward. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I don't want to amplify points when there's a lot of good that's going on.

• 1:00:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I mean, the part about what Vinny is saying is, you know how Adidas came out and said, "Well, the price is gonna go up." Or, you know, Apple comes out quarterly, you know, announcing that $900 million, what do you call it, Q2 tariff hit for them. So their stock moves a little bit, right? But you're right. When we were talking about the market and it was down 1,000, down 1,000, down 2,400, oh my God, the market lost 5... trillion dollars, da da da da da, boom. You showed me the numbers the other day, the market's back up what it was before April 4th. So, you're right, that's the one video, if you remember the video that I made where it's like, hey, tomorrow is supposed to be the Black Monday, or whatever it was. I said, whatever you do, if you're investing long-term, don't sell, pump the brakes, relax,

• 1:01:00Patrick Bet-David?

  it's gonna come back up, it's gonna be fine. And my guy, John Owens, is like, you know, you never called me back about the market. I said, look, man, I'm a long-term investor in the market, so I know it's gonna be fine. But, at the same time, there is one country that I have zero tolerance for, and it's in my top three, and China happens to be number one. We have to figure this one out. If this one's gonna cause a little bit of pain for people to go to India and other places, and, you know, and now you're seeing possibly challenges taking place with India and Pakistan, and they're getting involved, if a few of these other deals... You know what's the worst thing for China? If any of these other deals happen for Trump and US ahead of them, China keeps losing leverage.

• 1:01:44Patrick Bet-David?

  If other people keep coming to the table with the president and they don't, the most leverage they'll have is two weeks ago. Every week they wait, minerals deal with Ukraine, you lost more leverage. Every week China waits, they lose more and more and more leverage with the West. So, we'll see if they're gonna be doing anything about that or not. I wanna go to the next story. You know, we don't like to talk about Canada, but today we're gonna make the exception, and we're gonna talk about Canada. Mark Carney, from Canada, says he wants to meet with Trump, okay? Wants to have a meeting. What that meeting's about, nobody knows. Mark Carney, apparently he's coming to the White House, and here's what the president said about it when he was asked about it.

• 1:02:24Speaker 16

  ...your expectation for your meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister tomorrow?

• 1:02:28Speaker 09

  I don't know, he's coming to see me, I'm not sure what he wants to see me about, but I guess he wants to make a deal, everybody does. They all wanna make a deal because we have something that they all want. We have something that they all want. China wants to make a deal very badly. You see what's happening to China. China's being decimated, and I don't want that to happen. But they have to make a fair deal. We were losing hundreds of billions of dollars a year. We were losing five, think of it, on our trade policies with Biden. We're losing $5 billion a day. I think Josh is a great businessman, would not let that happen too long, right? How many, how many groups could lose $5 billion a day? If you lose $5 billion one day, that's the end of that company, right?

• 1:03:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, show, show the clip with Howard Lutnick. Howard Lutnick is being asked about Canada, and in regards to Carney, Rob, I just, I texted it to you, so you have it. It's gonna be in my notes, in my notes that we have. You should have it. So he's being asked, what do you think about what's going on with, you know, the meeting that they're having? And he says, look, I don't know, but all I can tell you is, I'm just glad that I'm gonna be in the room when this takes place. I, I, is that the one, Rob? I texted it to you, Rob.

• 1:03:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm, I'm.

• 1:03:40Patrick Bet-David?

  It's in the notes, is what I'm saying. It's in the notes, where Lutnick's being asked about Canada, I'm just gonna text it to you, so you have it. There's the one, okay?

• 1:03:50Speaker 05

  So Howard Lutnick is saying he would love to be in there?

• 1:03:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Tom, your, your thoughts on this?

• 1:03:56Tom Ellsworth?

  There is a word that Mark Carney used, that Pat pointed out about three weeks ago, and then five weeks ago, and then six weeks ago, and I'll read this. It says, "Our focus", Mark Carney speaking, "Our focus will be on both, the immediate trade pressures. Really? So the election's over and you can stop talking crap?

• 1:04:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:15Tom Ellsworth?

  And now you gotta get down to business? Oh, really?" Comma, and I'm quoting, "And the broader future economic and security relationship between our two sovereign nations." You know what that security relationship is?

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:04:30Tom Ellsworth?

  We pay for more to protect them that they need. That's what they're talking about. And so I think he's coming down here for two things. He's basically saying it between the lines. The election is over, the crap talking is over, he's gotta come down and make a deal, and he knows it. And Trump is right. And I love what Howard said, I'm just glad I'm gonna be in the room. And-

• 1:04:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the clip out of the Wood Lutnick, go for it.

• 1:04:52Speaker 10

  Mark Carney, five major central banker.

• 1:04:55Speaker 05

  Everybody does.

• 1:04:56Speaker 10

  Are you optimistic he'll make a deal?

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  The Trump one is playing still, Rob. I'm sorry. No, it's all good. I'd love hearing his voice. I'm not even mad. Makes me laugh.

• 1:05:04Speaker 17

  Mark Carney, whom I've met as central banker. You're gonna, are you optimistic? Can we make a deal with Canada? I think it's really complex. I think this is really complex because they have been basically feeding off of us for decades upon decades upon decades. Right? They have their socialist regime and it's basically feeding off of America. I mean, the president calls it out all the time. Why do we make cars in Canada? Why do we do our films in Canada? Come on. So I think the president's gonna have, I think it's gonna be a fascinating meeting. I'm glad I'm gonna be there listening, but it's gonna be a fascinating meeting tomorrow. I just don't see how it works out so perfectly. But you're not, Mark Carney.

• 1:05:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, thoughts?

• 1:05:38Adam Sosnick?

  Well, only in Canada, for the last 10 years, has every metric possible, cost of living, the economy, wages, every single metric, do they go down since Justin Trudeau was the prime minister? And then do you decide to reelect the same party that put you in the position that got you here in the first place? I know you've been very critical of Pierre Poliev and you said 100% of his losses on him. And I said, well, I think there's enough blame to go around. I think if Mark Carney shows up to the White House, he should give a bouquet of flowers and bring a gift because Trump is also one of the main reasons he got elected.

• 1:06:23Adam Sosnick?

  Without Trump and the 51st state, in my opinion, Mark Carney would have lost. Now, I do understand that Pierre Poliev should have done more interviews, should have been more diversified, should have been a human, should have gone on Theo, should have come here. You should learn your lesson, Pierre Poliev, because not only did you learn, did you lose the prime minister's seat, you also lost, I believe, his own seat in parliament over there.

• 1:06:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, another parliament guy stepped down to give him the seat?

• 1:06:49Adam Sosnick?

  Really?

• 1:06:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you hear about this?

• 1:06:50Adam Sosnick?

  I did not hear about that.

• 1:06:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You didn't hear about this?

• 1:06:52Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:06:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So another parliament member felt so sorry.

• 1:06:56Patrick Bet-David?

  For Pierre Poliev, that they stepped down to give their seat to Pierre because they think Pierre is more capable than they are.

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  To save some type of face.

• 1:07:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you understand what I just said? Can you verify what I just said, Rob? Because these Canadians are...

• 1:07:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's the guy that gave his seat over... Because everybody gives a seat, okay? It is with humility and appreciation that I accept it, Damien Kurix, go a little bit lower, Rob, offered to resign his seat in Battle River Crawford, so that I can work to earn the support of citizens there to serve them in Parliament. Damien's selfless act to step aside temporarily, as a member of Parliament, shows his commitment to change and restoring Canada's promise. I will work to earn the trust of the good people of Battle River Crawford, and I will continue to help the Liberal minority government to account until the next federal election, when we will bring real change to all Canadians. Now, to be fair to him, as much as I take shots at him, Mark Carney did the same thing.

• 1:07:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Somebody stepped down and gave their seat to him. So, what the Conservatives are doing is exactly what Carney did. Somebody gave him the seat, somebody else is stepping out to give him the seat, to say, "Hey, here you go." By the way, Canada is in such shambles right now, even though they won a lot of Conservative seats, that if you can go to the other story, Alberta separatists pushed to leave Canada after Liberals win election. This is a Newsweek story from a couple of days ago. Cameron Davies, a former leader of the United Conservative Party, UCP, resigned to head the independent supporting Republican Party of Alberta, declared, "And Alberta is like Texas." Is this her, by the way?

• 1:08:32Speaker 05

  This is Danielle Smith.

• 1:08:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna read this and then let's watch a little bit on what she's saying. "Today is the birthday of many new separatists in Alberta. Following the Liberal Party's election victory, Prime Minister Carney Davies criticized the UCP, stating, 'I've watched the UCP full time and time again, under Ottawa's pressure, instead of standing up for Alberta's interests, and told Newsweek, 'Albertans keep working harder while getting a lessened return, advocating for an independent Alberta to control our policies, our borders, and our prosperity.'" Okay? By the way, if they decide to separate from Canada and choose to become a 51st state, then they would get a lot of the benefits that we have.

• 1:09:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And this 51st state, that means America adds another Texas to its states. Just so you know, go ahead and play this clip, let's watch the first 30 seconds.

• 1:09:25Speaker 18

  Alberta will be taking steps to better protect ourselves from Ottawa.

• 1:09:31Speaker 18

  As a start, I will soon appoint a special negotiating team to represent our province in negotiations with the federal government on the following reforms requested by our province. We hope this will result in a binding agreement that Albertans can have confidence in. Call it an Alberta Accord, if you will. First, Alberta requires guaranteed corridor and port access to tidewater off the Pacific, Arctic, and Atlantic coasts for the international export of Alberta oil, gas, critical minerals, and other resources in amounts supported by the free market rather than by the dictates and whims of Ottawa. Every province in the country other than Alberta and Saskatchewan have coastal port access.

• 1:10:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Robbie, can you pause right here? Tom, your thoughts on this? Well, first of all, she's absolutely right. In Canada, the taxes are amazing, and then the government gives money back to the provinces. They give, in Alberta, I think Saskatchewan is the same, and these, sometimes they're called transfer payments, also called equalization payments. Albertans get 1,695 per person in the billions that come back to Alberta. 1,695 a person, and I think Saskatchewan is the same. And Quebec, 3,159 per person. Quebec is where Montreal is, and it's where they're the most socialist.

• 1:10:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam was right when he said about Canada, but the dregs of socialism are in Quebec. And so when you look at Alberta, Alberta wants to trade its oil, wants to make deals, to trade oil, and the state kind of messes with them. Because if they allowed them to do it, you know how wealthy Alberta would be? Texas. And by the way, they also have the thriving beef industry. So what the Albertans are saying is, we're on this island, and we're not with the program, and... They want either an Alberta accord and look, it's an accord with your own country and they're asking for access to a port. They're a part of Canada and they just want access to the port so they could export their oil. Isn't that crazy?

• 1:11:37Tom Ellsworth?

  The US has never said that, you know, Oklahoma or Arkansas couldn't send things through a Houston port to export. This happens all the time. And so they're talking about how fed up they are and there you have it. Your own country won't even do things for you. And now they want an accord to level the playing field for Alberta and they're trying to go the nice way. Meanwhile, people are signing a petition saying, why not be the 51st state?

• 1:12:04Speaker 05

  How realistic, how realistic is something like that, Tom, where Alberta says, we want to be independent, we want to become the 51st state of the United States of America? What type of backlash would they get from the Canadian government? Would it be like, not necessarily an act of war, but you're trying to leave, right?

• 1:12:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, it's not gonna happen. No sovereign, no sovereign country in the world absent war is gonna give up any property.

• 1:12:25Speaker 05

  You know what I was gonna say, because then the United States is gonna put a base there.

• 1:12:29Tom Ellsworth?

  But it shows you how blindingly pissed off the people are.

• 1:12:31Speaker 05

  Oh, of course they are.

• 1:12:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And it impacts what they call their Midwest, which is Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Alberta, and then you have...

• 1:12:38Speaker 05

  And this is the fact, guys, I get, I don't know about you, you probably more than all of us, but I got three menex just this morning about people furious about what's happening in Canada and giving solutions and what they should do. And I got a message from a guy named Lewis today. He's just like, bro, this is, it's insane why they keep doing it. Three of them and at, at 8 o'clock in the morning.

• 1:12:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, Rob, if you can pull up the story, the one about Pierre's campaign manager. Things are so bad now, so now they have to find somebody to blame. This reminds me of LeBron's game five when they lose and then he posts a picture and says, well, I will not be at the Met Gala because of my knee injury.

• 1:13:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I won't be making a Met Gala. So they need an oust, why you know, out, why they lost to Minnesota. But conservative expected to point fingers at Jenny Byrne during election post martyr. If we had won, everything would have been forgotten. One MP told National Post. Go lower. So that's apparently the campaign manager that hung up on our Booker twice. Uh, her and her team. Uh, a conservative leader Pierre Poliev is expected to hear on Tuesday from caucus members. They sit in over mistakes made over the course of the campaign with fingers pointing to campaign manager Jenny Byrne. Keep going lower. Conservative MP insider spoke to National Post did not lay the blame on Poliev, who said, they said, was busy crisscrossing the country, but rather the operational internal decisions spearheaded by Byrne during the campaign.

• 1:14:00Patrick Bet-David?

  They pointed to messy nominations, which because there was a bunch of guys named Pierre on the list that were running. So they wanted to confuse, but they knew that weeks in advance. As well as rules against speaking freely to the media and their constituents. Rules. They also brought up the campaign, campaign's choice not to pivot. After Justin Trudeau's departure, Mark Carney's arrival as liberal leader. And US President Donald Trump pre Quinn and President Clinton, one PM spoke on the condition of anonymity. In order to speak freely, said it was especially difficult to get anything done with Byrne. Having the final say on things and that regional organizers were often left waiting for approval. In terms of campaign, the game follow, game plan was followed, but with what we didn't like was a lack of flexibility. Everything went through her. Okay.

• 1:14:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So now people say what? Well, this is why they lost the election. It isn't Pierre's fault. It's a hundred percent on Pierre. Who chose the campaign manager? Who hired this person?

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  Pierre.

• 1:14:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Was she forced upon you?

• 1:14:54Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 1:14:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, oh, so for everybody that's trying to defend Pierre. He will, he, they, they handcuffed him, they arrested him, they put a gun to his head and they said, this is your campaign manager. And whatever she says you do, you're a damn leader. What do you mean? You're the leader. You can fire people. You can move on. You can bring a new team. You can do things like that. But you guys keep protecting your little baby. God forbid. Oh, my God. This guy didn't do anything wrong. It's not his fault. Now, don't get me wrong. Some of the other guys, the former, a couple of the guys that had won in the past before, they said, you should have used my campaign manager. What's the guy's name? Is it Duck Ford? Is it something, uh, uh? What's his name? Is there a guy named Duck Ford in Canada?

• 1:15:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, a guy named Duck Ford said, you should have used my campaign manager. You would have won instead of using this. Maybe he's right. Maybe he's not, whatever. Some people are saying that it could have been a different, uh, uh, results. But again, that falls on the executive. The executive here is who? Pierre Poliev. Okay? He dictates the terms and the speed. No matter who the campaign manager is, if you're a leader, you dictate. Here's what we're going to be doing. These big decisions flow through me. I need to know what's going on with this. I need to know, I need to do daily report on what's going on with all these offers that are coming our way. You, the leader, can ask that. If you're running for office, Adam, Tom, Vinny, any one of you guys. Elsver Sosnick, 2028.

• 1:16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  And honestly, if, if we hire Rob as your campaign manager, say we hire somebody as a campaign manager, can you tell me? If I'm, if I'm your advisor and you hired a campaign manager and you say, Pat, I want the campaign manager to be held accountable by you, but they're also reporting to me as well, no problem. What reports do we want from this campaign manager on a daily basis?

• 1:16:48Tom Ellsworth?

  We want to see, we want to see real polls from people we can trust. We want to see real coverage. What, what coverage are we getting? Is our message getting into all the newspapers or is it getting spun? We wouldn't, I want to know what is the opposition doing and how many eyeballs are they getting? Are their messages getting out or their message getting spun? You would want the campaign manager to have their. Finger on the pulse of not only what's happening for you, but for everybody else. And by the way, how many times have we seen, Trump had a great campaign team around him. How many times have we seen, you know, the campaign team was running for cover because Trump went over and talked to these people? And he just said, you know what, I'm gonna go over there and I'm gonna talk to these people. And then he would say some things and the campaign people sometimes got nervous about that. But you know what? That's the candidate leading.

• 1:17:33Tom Ellsworth?

  But we'd, to your question, we'd want the campaign manager to have their finger on the pulse of everything. Tell us the truth so we can make the decision about it.

• 1:17:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, again, what is the question? I want to make sure I qualify the question because you need it. So if the campaign manager works for you, what daily reports do you want from this campaign manager?

• 1:17:54Adam Sosnick?

  What daily reports do you want from your campaign manager? You want to know polling, you want to know your schedule, you want to know where you're going. You want to know what's going on in the world, you want to know what's happening domestically. You also want to understand what's going on certainly in the United States, your neighbor. You also want to know what's going on with the, with the United States and Mexico. Cause we have that trade agreement with them.

• 1:18:17Adam Sosnick?

  I think you just need a whole comprehensive report of what's going on in general.

• 1:18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What else do you want? Guys, let me ask you a question. Vinnie, what would you want?

• 1:18:24Speaker 05

  I want everything with the polling. I want all the, what the temperature is with all the social media, what the streets are saying. Setting me up with interviews, you know, with polling and everything as well.

• 1:18:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you want to know what outlets reached out to you on a daily basis?

• 1:18:38Speaker 05

  Oh, 1,000%. Who's trying to talk to us? What type of, what type of?

• 1:18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you want to know what outlets we're reaching out to that they're not reaching out to us? So for example, if I'm your campaign manager, would you sit down with me and say, Pat? I need you to get me on these top 20 shows.

• 1:18:51Speaker 05

  That's, that's a no brainer.

• 1:18:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you want me to do that?

• 1:18:53Speaker 05

  1,000%.

• 1:18:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so even though they're not reaching out to us.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  Reach out to them, please, Pat.

• 1:18:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You want me to reach out to them?

• 1:18:58Speaker 05

  100%.

• 1:18:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, all right, so who reached out to about Max Bernier? Did we reach out to Max? Max reached out to us. Instead I'd like to be on your podcast. We didn't reach, and by the way, he DM me personally. Says, hey, what do you think about this? Hey, I'd like to come on a podcast. Great. So, when you're thinking about reports, sentiment, poll, data, reaching out, outreach coming in, what clips did the best, what negative clips did the best? What are people saying? What is, what are people not happy about? What are people in our market not happy about? How are they responding to the math? Last speech I just gave on some of the issues that I brought up, like if I'm testing Alcatraz and all this other stuff, what are people saying about we need to keep the border clean? How are conservatives responding to us? What is a rhino saying? What are the people who are enemies of mine saying? What are they, what's trending for them?

• 1:19:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You want to know all of that data. That's what you want to know. So now you may say, well, he just had a bad campaign manager. No, no. Campaign managers are managed by an executive. Every executive is managed by another executive that asks them, what do we need? Here's what I want us to do with HR. I need the following reports. Here's what we need for Dave. Here's what we need for that. Here's what I need for sales. What are we talking about here? And you want to be the prime minister? Maybe Carney was a better manager than you. The reality of it is, he may be a liberal, he may have terrible policies I don't agree with, but maybe he was just a better executive than you. Think about the executive side. And what his background was. What he did, what he didn't do. Maybe the lesson learned here for a guy like him, similar to also the governor of the state of Florida,

• 1:20:30Patrick Bet-David?

  is I don't care who your campaign manager is. I don't care if it's your spouse. I don't care if it's your brother. I don't care if it's anybody. I don't care if it's your best friend. At the end of the day, be a damn executive and understand marketing and getting ahead of it. Don't just sit there and be pompous and be like, no, we're not going to do that. Oh, no, no, we're not going to, no, we're not going to do that. Very unattractive quality.

• 1:20:52Adam Sosnick?

  I think, well, last point here, I think if there's anything I can say about Pierre Poliev where he screwed up, was you ever, you ever see in a football game, you're up, you're up 35-21 and there's two minutes left? Go into the prevent defense, just play prevent defense. Just run the ball, we'll punt it, we'll play prevent defense. And what happens when you stop playing offense? Once they start scoring, all of a sudden, what should we do? Oh my God. What are we going to do? All right, run the ball, three and out, three and out, you're punting, you're punting. In my opinion, Pierre Poliev did not go on offense. He was playing prevent defense. And, you know, speaking of just this football analogy, same thing happened in Canada, happened in the United States. Couple of months before the election, what happened? They bring in a different quarterback. Instead of Joe Biden, they brought in Kamala Harris. Same thing with in Canada.

• 1:21:37Adam Sosnick?

  Instead of Justin Trudeau, boom, Mark Carney shows up. The difference is Mark Carney was a little bit better of a leader and a communicator than the atrocity known as Kamala Harris. And what Trump did is the exact opposite of what Pierre Poliev did. Trump said, what? I'm gonna get out there. I'm gonna rally. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go on every single podcast. I'm gonna get out there. Theo Von, PBD, Rogan, the list goes on. Whereas Pierre Poliev played prevent defense and all of a sudden it's a tie ball game. All of a sudden, he's down seven. Next thing you know, he loses by 10 in an election he should have won by 14.

• 1:22:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, by a mile. Anyways, Canadians, did you, did you hear the stories about how many Canadians are planning on leaving to the States?

• 1:22:19Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:22:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see the article on how many are wanting to move to the States? And I don't blame you on what's gonna be happening. But let's see what your Carney guy is gonna do when he comes and meets with Trump. Maybe he is a better executive. Maybe he's a better executive. Executive.

• 1:22:34Adam Sosnick?

  I have a question for you.

• 1:22:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe, maybe Pierre is a better motivational speaker.

• 1:22:37Speaker 05

  An apple eater. He eats a hell of an apple.

• 1:22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a different story.

• 1:22:40Adam Sosnick?

  I think that's BS. I have one clip. I have one question for you. Because it's no secret, you're very disappointed in Pierre Poliev. And, you know, without, you know, you sort of bringing it up time and time and time again, we probably wouldn't cover this much. Do you, do you have a problem with his approach? Do you have a problem with him as a person? Are you upset that a conservative who should have won, did not win? What is it that you look at Pierre Poliev?

• 1:23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I hold the voters accountable for being too soft. I hold the voters accountable for being too soft. I hold himself accountable for not being an executive. I've been in business for 25 years and I've watched a lot of sales leaders. And nothing was more annoying than guys that were great speakers on stage, who were privately lazy and they leaned on their talents to get them to the next level. There was nothing more annoying than seeing super talented, capable guys. I would sit there and I would talk with them. I said, "You realize that guy is driving 200 miles, going to appointments. You want everybody to come see you.

• 1:23:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You think you're so special that everyone needs to come see you. He doesn't." That guy was making 200 grand a year. The other guy was making 30,000 dollars a year. That guy's now making 400,000 dollars a year. 20 years later, that guy's making 2.2 million dollars a year. Because that guy was willing to do the work. He was 10 times more talented and capable, but that guy was a worker. And that's Pierre. Super talented, capable guy. I've seen guys like Pierre many times. Uh, there's no difference. It's just a more politic, more public competitive playground you're in. Than the one where we're not public. But you see patterns with guys like Pierre. Super capable, super talented, great speaker, good-looking, beautiful wife, beautiful family. Just don't think he needs to do the work because he thinks he's got it figured out.

• 1:24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  The market will destroy you. Destroy you. And the world saw it, where you had to beg another person to step down to give you their spot, like Carney did. Now, I'd love to see a great comeback and him coming back and winning and learning from his mistakes. But he gives me the vibes of a guy that's too pompous to learn from his mistakes. Who knows? I may be wrong.

• 1:24:57Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you for clarifying. It's almost like it, uh, hard work beats talent if talent will not work hard.

• 1:25:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I get annoyed when a guy's that talented. You are that talented. Are you freaking like, you are that talented and capable? Ah, it's so frustrating when you're so talented and capable. Anyways, let's go to the next story. Canadian people, you know I love you. When you run into me and you pull me aside and we have that conversation together, you know I love you. I respect you guys. I've had some great memories in Canada and I will continue to make great memories in Canada. Although I'm sure if I go to Canada next time, somebody sees me, they're gonna say some bad comments, but we'll probably sit down and have a conversation about it.

• 1:25:35Tom Ellsworth?

  And to you, single Canadian woman, 35 to 40, Vinnie would like to love you.

• 1:25:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:25:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay.

• 1:25:41Speaker 05

  35 to 40.

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• 1:26:40Speaker 05

  I'll just say 58 to 90, Tom. The hell, where the hell are you going?

• 1:26:47Speaker 05

  How about 26 to 30? Thank you, Vincent O'Shaughnessy. Tom's like, hey, ladies in the old folks home, geriatrics, if your teeth are still there, hit up Vinnie.

• 1:26:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're a billionaire.

• 1:27:00Speaker 05

  And you're all. If she's 35 and 85 and older.

• 1:27:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's have some fun. Let's go to the next one.

• 1:27:06Speaker 05

  So funny, Vinnie.

• 1:27:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's talk about Bill Ackman. Bill Ackman says Harvard losing tax exemption is fair game. This is a Wall Street Journal story. Rob, go for it.

• 1:27:19Speaker 19

  Fair to try to take the tax exempt status away? I think it's fair. Again, Harvard became, over time, a political advocacy organization for one party. When a university goes from being a university to affecting, becoming a political advocacy organization, it doesn't deserve nonprofit status. And they have to. Harvard should be a place where students go to learn and the best research gets done. It shouldn't be a place that is allowing pro terrorist organizations on campus that only allows certain kinds of thinking and speech on campus. That's a political advocacy organization. It's not a university.

• 1:28:04Speaker 19

  I don't think we're going to end up there where Harvard loses its tax-exempt status. I want Harvard to succeed. You know, it's been very important to me over time. But really, it got itself to a very bad place. And Alan Garber is a good president, but he's not managing, you know, the mismanagement here is Penny Pritzker, if this were any other kind of corporation, that the notion that she's still chairman of Harvard, leading the charge here, and in terms of Harvard managed everything from COVID, and I know we have to go, but it's an important topic, to endowment management, to waste, to free speech, to who they hired as president of the university, it's time for a change in leadership in the board at Harvard.

• 1:28:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom, thoughts? I think he's absolutely right. Bill Ackman's calling it out. And also, you have to remember, just get past the fog of this America. These are private institutions with endowments in the tens of billions of dollars, still charging full price to students who can finally get in, and taking your tax money in the form of federal grants to do research. And if you're taking tax money from you and me, because our senators and congressmen are sending it through committees, and sending it there for research, then guess what? You get a say. And the guy at the top of our government is the President of the United

• 1:29:26Tom Ellsworth?

  States, who is saying that if you're going to be discriminatory in admissions, if you're not going to protect one group of students on campus from the, from violent protest and verbiage and calls for violence against them, the way the Jewish students were feeling it, and seeing it and being concerned, then what are you doing? Then, I'm sorry, you don't get money from the taxpayer. The tax, you're not going to, look at it this way, you've got one set of taxpayers, Jewish students and their parents, and other sets of taxpayers over here, that may not even be from the United States, and you're not even protecting those taxpayers on your private campus, then I'm sorry, you don't get public dollars. And that's what he's saying. And Bill's being very balanced. He's saying that the board

• 1:30:07Tom Ellsworth?

  is the problem. He's saying that he thinks Alan Garber is by and large a pretty reasonable leader, Bill said that, but he also Said the concept that a board is doing this is wrong. If this was a publicly traded company, they would have made the change already because they would have been scared about their stock price. But they're private and as a private company taking public dollars, you need to be called to account, you're being called to account. And instead of saying, we're sorry, instead of saying, we'll change it, instead of saying, you're right, maybe these Jewish students and people on campus shouldn't have felt fear with these protests. They say, your move is highly illegal and destructive to Harvard. Well, damn right it is, and it should be destructive to you if you need public funds

• 1:30:51Tom Ellsworth?

  to survive, yet you're sitting on tens of billions of dollars in endowment? Are you kidding me? So I think Bill Ackman was right, and if anything, he's a little bit measured because I think for too long, they've become political institutions. Harvard was founded to serve the community and one of the purposes, so people that say it was founded as a seminary is wrong, but one of the key purposes was to train ministers for public service. So how far the apple has fallen from the tree?

• 1:31:27Adam Sosnick?

  Adam. Harvard received the worst score ever in the free speech rankings for universities. Rob, I just sent you that. If you want to pull that up, I think we've discussed this before. Many times, yeah. So why is that? Why their grade was so bad that they dominated every single school, including Yale, Dartmouth, Cornell, Stanford? Why is Harvard so atrocious when it comes to free speech and also leading the league in political activism, leading the league in discrimination, leading the league in antisemitism? They're no longer an education institute, it would appear, and they're an indoctrination institute.

• 1:32:12Adam Sosnick?

  So nothing, I don't get great pride in dismantling Harvard like this. They should be a great university where our best and brightest basically can go and change the world. But you know, you talked about what Harvard was founded on. What's Harvard's slogan or their motto? It is Veritas, which stands for truth. Shout out to James O'Keefe, who used to be Project Veritas. What kind of truth?

• 1:32:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Pete Hegseth talked about that here on the podcast.

• 1:32:41Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, exactly. I think, didn't he go there?

• 1:32:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he did.

• 1:32:44Adam Sosnick?

  What kind of truth is actually established at Harvard these days? It would just seem that the only truth there is that unless you're super liberal, you have no place in Harvard. You've talked about when you went and you did, I think, the Harvard Business School, the business program, about nobody, nobody on campus whatsoever was supporting the conservative Trump side of things.

• 1:33:07Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, Bill Ackman.

• 1:33:08Adam Sosnick?

  It was anti-American at the least.

• 1:33:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Bill Ackman here, who you just heard speak, went to Harvard and gave over 25 million dollars to Harvard. This is not just a regular guy that's sitting there talking. This is a nine billion dollar guy that's given 25 billion, million, that's supported Harvard, who's coming out being that critical about what they're doing. Vinny, any final thoughts?

• 1:33:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know what name popped out? When you said, so Penny Pritzker runs Harvard's board, right? JB Pritzker runs Illinois to the ground. They're both, she's pushing this globalist BS through the Ivy League while he's bankrupting the state with all the failed policies and handouts.

• 1:33:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Is this the same Pritzker family?

• 1:33:47Speaker 05

  That's the same Pritzker family, and it's almost like, what are you guys, what are you guys doing? You know what I mean? Crime, especially in Illinois with him trying to threaten, like, to me, that was a dog whistle, what he's doing. She's running this school. She has a big say, right, Pat? If you're the freaking, Tom, if you're running the board at Harvard and all these policies and all this crap is happening, does the majority of it fall on you if you're running the board of a company?

• 1:34:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. So, the boards nowadays can get sued by the shareholders, and now if someone asks you to be on a board of a company, and Pat and I both know about this, they want to check you out, and you ask, okay, well, do you have officer and director's insurance? And what is the status of your board? Do you want me to be on the compensation committee? The audit committee? The board's there, and the board members can be sued, so the board members have more accountability than ever, which is why boards sometimes take actions. Quickly, good boards, against the CEO that's way outside the lines. Oh.

• 1:34:48Adam Sosnick?

  Do you know what the Pritzker family is famous for? Do you know who they are? Do you know how they made their money?

• 1:34:52Speaker 05

  I've, I've, I've read, I've read.

• 1:34:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I do know they don't take good pictures on "May the Fourth be with you."

• 1:34:58Speaker 05

  Absolutely not. Did you see that?

• 1:35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Certain pictures you should not post.

• 1:35:03Speaker 05

  Ever, ever, especially if you're not in shape.

• 1:35:06Patrick Bet-David?

  It just doesn't make sense. Look, look at that. That's the picture.

• 1:35:08Speaker 05

  Does.

• 1:35:08Patrick Bet-David?

  "May the Fourth be with you."

• 1:35:10Speaker 05

  "May the food be with you."

• 1:35:12Patrick Bet-David?

  What it is.

• 1:35:13Speaker 05

  It is with them.

• 1:35:14Adam Sosnick?

  Chicago's got great food. They're famous for the Hyatt Hotels.

• 1:35:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, that's who they created. They're, they're one of the richest families in America. Um, I think Penny and JB are first cousins.

• 1:35:28Adam Sosnick?

  I used to be, I would say friends of friends with one of the younger cousins, Jason Pritzker, who was friends with my friend Joe back in the day. But this is a deeply entrenched Democratic family with billions of dollars behind them. And where they go, wokeness will follow. And "May the Fourth be with you," apparently.

• 1:35:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, okay, alright. Well, folks, we're gonna be okay with this one, but, uh, it is what it is. Sometimes those pictures you post, it's, uh, gotta be, look, I, I, I've been guilty of posting Halloween pictures. And afterwards, I'm like, you know what? That was a bad mistake. So, I, I've been in the same, same, uh, community. We're part of the same elite community.

• 1:36:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Bad pictures being posted on Halloween. But, okay, guys, if you're looking for a great podcast to listen to, a new one that's come up, uh, Michelle Obama's is, is maybe not one of them, but her take is killing it. After first episode, Michelle Obama slammed for whining about costs in the White House. Okay? I don't know if you guys have seen this or not. This is her speaking with, is this the, uh, the diaries of a CEO, right? So, Rob, if you can play this clip, this is her talking about how expensive it was to live in the White House. Go for it.

• 1:36:41Speaker 20

  It's expensive to live in the White House. Many people don't know. I mean, much is not covered. Um, you're paying for every food, every bit of food that you eat, you, you know, you're not paying for housing and the staff in it, but everything, even travel. If you're not traveling with the president, if your kids are coming on a Bright Star, which is the first lady's plane, we had to play, pay for their travel to be on the plane. It is an expensive proposition, and you're running for two years and not earning an income. So all of that was in my mind, how would we manage this? So my fears were, came from the fact that I thought he could win.

• 1:37:23Speaker 20

  You know, because if I, maybe way in the back of my mind, I was hoping that maybe he wouldn't, you know, that this would be the last thing he would do. But I knew he had it in him to make this happen.

• 1:37:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So you know, what are you thinking when you're giving this message? Like, what are you thinking in your mind? Because, let's do data. Rob, can you type in Obama's net worth in 2007? What was Obama in 2007? 1.2 million, 1.3 million. Okay, so their net worth is, let's write this down. This is pre White House. Their collective net worth was 1.3 million. Can you go to where their net worth was in 2016? When they're done being presidents? Okay, 2016. So their net worth, as expensive as it was, they went from being 1.3 million to 12.2 million. So that's 10xing your net worth in eight years. And that's not bad. So can you now go to their net worth today, 2025? What is their net worth today?

• 1:38:25Adam Sosnick?

  It's gotta be worth a couple hundred million, no?

• 1:38:26Patrick Bet-David?

  It's two numbers. You see 70 million to 250 million dollars. So 70 million to 250 million dollars. If you type in a couple other places, you'll see, you'll see 100 million, you'll see, you know, 70 million. But you'll see a couple ranges. But let's just stick to the 70 million dollars. Pre-presidency, 1.7. So expensive being at the White House. It was so expensive that our net worth went from 1.3 million to 12.2 million 88 years later. What an expensive lifestyle. And then you go from 12.2 million to 70 million dollars. What do you think the average person that listens to this? Do you think they connect to that, Michelle? I'm just curious. You're a very good communicator. Very. You were very good on stage. One of the best.

• 1:39:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how to rally. You actually do. Barack used to say, if I ever needed to win an election, I put Michelle on stage. I've heard that many times.

• 1:39:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Who are you inspiring with that message you're giving? Think about another younger African American girl that's listening to this. Do you think you inspired her to want to be a first lady? What do you think you did? Do you think that motivates another girl that's watching this saying, I want to grow up to be like Michelle Obama, my hero? Oh, let me here to see what she has to say about being a first lady. I bet she says it was the greatest honor. Oh, no, in the back of her mind, she wishes he wouldn't have won because it was so expensive. I don't, I mean, I don't understand. There's no way a publicist said, take this angle. And here's her interview with Lewis Howes, okay? Before I show you this, Rob, you took the wrong picture. You did that intentionally. I don't, don't do that.

• 1:40:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back to it again, Rob. Go back to the video, okay? So can you go on the channel? Just go on Lewis Howes's channel. Lewis Howes is one of the best in the game. Go to videos, okay, go to videos and then go to views, the popular, tap on popular. Let's see what, maybe, maybe Lewis hasn't ever done any big interviews. Go there. First one, most views, 11 million views, okay? Second one, 6.7 million views. Third one, 6.3 million views. Fourth one, 5.9 million views. Fifth one, 5.3 million views. Sixth one, 5.3 million. Another 5 million, another 4.7 million, another 4.3 million, another 4.3 million, another 4.3 million, another 4.2 million. Can you go and see how many videos he's done? Okay, keep going lower to see it. So let's do rows, let's do rows.

• 1:40:49Patrick Bet-David?

  One, keep going, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29. Stop right there. 20, 28 rows times four is what? 28 rows times four is, 25 times four is what? 100, so I don't, so 200, so 112 interviews he's done that have gotten over a million views. And of everybody he interviewed above, not a single one of them, not a single one of them have on Instagram.

• 1:41:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go to their followership? Can you go to Michelle Obama's followership on Instagram? Not a single one of them have 57 million Instagram followers. Not a single one of them on X has.

• 1:41:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Not a single one of them on X has, let's go to that, 21.6 million, not one of those people he interviewed, has that kind of reach, and then go and pull up her interview two days later, how many views it got? Go on her interview, okay? How many views? That's definitely not because of Louis House. No. 22,000 views, how many comments, Rob? How many comments? Go lower, go lower, comments is what? 82 comments? Are you kidding me? That's weird. Only 82, let's read the comments. So Louis House classy guy is thanking them. Great. Self doubt comes from problems. It's essential to prioritize your mental health. This is by

• 1:42:30Patrick Bet-David?

  far my favorite interview. You're probably the only one of 22,000. Wow, one of the best podcasts I've ever watched. So excited to hear them. Wow, okay, what is the market saying? Maybe the market is saying, we don't want no victim mentality messages anymore. It's done. It's not attractive. Be a hero. Sell a young girl. Man, one day you can also be. And let me tell you, there's burden that comes with this, but it's worth it. You're doing it for your country. Brock and I are very grateful to have the life that we have now, because we work very hard. You can as well if you pursue your dreams. Instead, life was so expensive. In the back of my mind, I wish you wouldn't have won. Give me a flipping

• 1:43:11Patrick Bet-David?

  break, like you're, you're, you're a hero to millions of girls. This is how we speak? I don't know about that. I mean, to me, it's like, give me a break already. This is the part where you sit there and you wonder like, can we change the hero making machine? The market is telling, on Louis House's podcast. Can you go back on his channel, Rob? Can you go back, Louis, forgive us for doing a complete public inventory of your channel. Can you go to videos? Can you go to videos? And, and zoom out a little bit, not most popular, go to the latest. Okay, go to the latest. So let's see, zoom out a little bit so I can see it. Zoom, zoom in a little bit so we can see it. Guys, four days ago, Dean Graziosi

• 1:43:53Patrick Bet-David?

  got four times the amount of views as Michelle Obama. I guarantee you would have believed

• 1:43:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Six days ago, is that Chloe? Who is that? I don't know who that is, Rob. Is that Chloe? Lucy Hale. Who is that? I have no idea. Okay, she got 134,000 views.

• 1:44:08Adam Sosnick?

  She's getting sober, though.

• 1:44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  160,000 views. Simon Sinek, 205,000 views. Mel Robbins, 139,000 views. I don't know who that, uh, 195,000 views. 126,000 views, Dave Ramsey. 206,000 views. 344,000 views. This, this is, this is a travesty.

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• 1:45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait. By the way, whether you're a fan or not of Michelle, would you have expected this to be the numbers on one of the biggest podcasts in the world called Lewis Howes's podcast? Nope. He was just on Bill Maher a couple of days ago. Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:41Adam Sosnick?

  Lewis Howes was?

• 1:45:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think this is? Adam, let me come to you. Let's be as fair and respectful as possible. I don't want any funny shots. No sarcasm. Why do you get the first lady with 56 million Instagram followers, 22 million X followers? Why do you get 22,000 views?

• 1:45:58Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. So I'll give three reasons. Number one, people are interested in people who are interesting. She's not doing anything interesting. Why?

• 1:46:06Patrick Bet-David?

  56 million people followed her.

• 1:46:08Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, but that's from 10 years ago. So what has she done lately? You know, what have you done for me lately? Like, it's almost like you have a great salesperson you were talking about before. That was the number one salesperson in the company 10 years ago. And now they're just coasting along and now they're number 48 because they're just doing the same old thing. People aren't interested in her anymore. Clearly. Numbers don't lie, right? Some brilliant guy once said, "Words talk, but numbers scream." Nobody's interested. Number two, I would highly encourage her to go on any podcast, any podcast, where it's just not a softball fluff piece interview. The last podcast that I've seen her go on are apparently, um, what's our buddy's name right here? Who's who just went on? Lewis Howes.

• 1:46:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:54Adam Sosnick?

  He went on Jay Shetty. He went on The Diary of a CEO with Stephen Bartlett. Great outlet. Um, she went on, uh, in my opinion, with Craig Robinson. She went on The Jennifer Hudson Show. Show me a podcast where someone's challenging her belief system. Show me one. Show me one clip where she's getting into it. Show me one. Nobody likes a fluff piece. Say what you want about Trump. He's gonna show up. He's gonna show up to ABC. He's gonna show up to NBC. He's gonna show up to CBS. He just did Kristen Welk with MSNBC. He's gonna mix it up. Who's the guy that just interviewed him? And he's like, MS 13. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. Like, he's gonna do that. People wanna see that. That's how you get to know the real person. And the last thing that she's suffering from is what I would call the Kamala Harris effect.

• 1:47:37Adam Sosnick?

  The more and more she talks, the people realize they're not interested in her. The more and more she talks, people are like, "Yeah, I'm good on this." And her approval ratings and her net approval ratings are plummeting because nobody's interested. And that's me being as

• 1:47:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, Tom.

• 1:47:53Adam Sosnick?

  Fair as possible.

• 1:47:54Tom Ellsworth?

  You can be straight up. I'll be straight up with you. The shelf life on victimhood is short. And once upon a time, she had a product that she could offer. So true. And, and she had a wonderful book and she was representing, you know, healthy foods and things like this. And she had She was inspirational. And more purpose. She was inspirational. And by the way, in the White House, let's break it down, folks. 1.3 million coming in, 12.2 going out. I did the before taxes. So before taxes, the Obamas averaged 1.96 million per year before taxes. As president, he only made about 300 grand. So something was going on. They were getting book deals. They were getting, uh, speaking.

• 1:48:38Tom Ellsworth?

  She was getting paid to speak, like at universities and stuff. So there was all this going on, but now, guess what? It's like a pair of Levi's that is no longer in style and nobody wants to buy. I mean, and so- But you can recreate yourself. That's- Huh? You can recreate yourself. I agree, but what you can recreate and you hired, what would the CEO do at Levi's? Hire designers, let's get with it. We're all about denim, but let's get with the future, let's design what people want. But whoever is with her, she's not getting any encouragement to reinvent, or if she's getting that encouragement, she's not saying anything. And it's disappointing to me. America needs women that are inspirational for our girls to look up to. I agree.

• 1:49:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Especially a woman of color.

• 1:49:24Speaker 05

  And you nailed it, Tom, with the shelf life with the victimhood and also, Pat, you guys have to understand this. People were told you had to love her. People were told you have to vote for Barack Obama. You know what I mean? That whole, "If you ain't black," and that whole push was, she was pushed on us. And to be honest with you, besides all that okay in her stance and all that, what has she done? You're the first lady of the President of the United States, okay? That's it. That's all. Okay? That's all. She didn't solve anything, she didn't cure anything. That's all. And then her true colors, this is a big part of it too, Pat, her true colors came out. When there's a funeral of a president and your ass doesn't show up, that's who you really are, okay? When there's an inauguration-

• 1:50:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Thank you.

• 1:50:08Speaker 05

  Where it's a passing of the guard, your ass is supposed to be there, you don't show up, the market sees it. The people know you for who you are. And I don't want to hear this crying, "Feel sorry for me," crying BS tour. It's horseshit. She's a multi-multi-selling out arenas? What the hell is she saying to sell out an arena? You know what I mean? She's not a stand, she's not Shane Gillis, she's not freaking, you know, Bill Burr, any of these big ass comedians. She's not Louis C.K. Who are you? She's not Kevin Hart. You're selling out freaking arenas, making all this money, they propped her up to be this person, and now you're a victim? It's unattractive. And then she's on this podcast, did you see this one? She says, "I need therapy and I'm transitioning into my truth."

• 1:50:51Speaker 05

  Transitioning what? To a potential billionaire? You saw this one?

• 1:50:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Rob played it.

• 1:50:56Speaker 05

  Rob, this is the one?

• 1:50:56Speaker 20

  And at this phase of my life, I'm in therapy right now because I'm transitioning. You know, I'm 60 years old. I finished a really hard thing in my life with my family intact. I'm an empty nester. My girls are in, you know, they've been launched. And now for the first time, as I've said before, every choice that I'm making is completely mine. I now don't have the excuse of, well, my kids need this, or my husband needs that, or the country needs that. So how do I think about this next phase? And let me get some help. Let me unwind some old habits. Let me sort through some old guilt

• 1:51:38Speaker 20

  that I've been carrying around. Let me talk about how my relationship with my mother has affected how I think about things. So I'm getting that tune up for this next phase because I believe this is a whole nother phase in life for me. And I now have the wisdom to know, let me, let me go get some coaching while I'm doing it.

• 1:52:00Speaker 05

  But think about it, how am I gonna get this next phase, which you're extremely famous? Like, obviously, she's gonna have Secret Service protection for the rest of her life, which she deserves. She's the, she's the first lady. You're, you're gonna continue to make millions and millions and millions of dollars. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is, again, has donated. He's donating his $400,000 salary. I don't think any other president has done that multiple years while he's been the president. And all this time, it's like, bro, like, you guys nailed it. It's a victimhood, and nobody wants to hear that crap. And where's Barack? Where's Barack? Have you guys even heard a peep from Barack Obama?

• 1:52:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I wanna, I wanna focus on her here. So for me, you know, I, I, I, the only thing I see is, I went on YouTube right now. You know what I typed up? I typed up Michelle Obama, okay? If she sees this clip, or her marketing team watches this clip. Go to filters and type in views.

• 1:53:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And go to the second one. Carpool karaoke. How many views? No, you don't go to it, Rob. I'm just saying like go to it like zoom in a little bit.

• 1:53:11Adam Sosnick?

  Eighty-four million.

• 1:53:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight years ago. Okay, go to the next one. Keep going.

• 1:53:15Adam Sosnick?

  She's having fun, right?

• 1:53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  LA, sixty-five million.

• 1:53:18Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, having fun.

• 1:53:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to the next one. Forty-four million. What pattern do you see all three of them? She's having fun.

• 1:53:22Adam Sosnick?

  Fun.

• 1:53:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to the next one. Keep going, keep going, keep going. Out of that Secret Service. Okay, great. That's thirty-seven million. Keep going. That's not part of it. Obama's make baby stop crying. Okay, cool. Human. Okay, next. Twenty-seven million. Fun. Next one. Twenty-two million. Fun. Keep going. Keep going, keep going, keep going. Twenty-two million. That's a lot of views, Vinnie.

• 1:53:43Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 1:53:44Patrick Bet-David?

  With Colbert. You have Fallon. Nineteen million views. This is a lady that sold fourteen million copies of her book. Seven twenty-five on day one. Eight million US. Fourteen million worldwide. Sometimes you gotta watch your own content from back in the days and see what happened there. Now, don't get me wrong. If there is a divorce going on. If there is a challenge going on in marriage. If there is something like that and you're going through it. Look, it's, it's, it's, it's an issue. But to get that many? People, people. There was, there was a thing that I heard one time many years ago. Said, stop complaining. Stop making excuses. Because eighty percent of people could care less. And twenty percent are glad you have them.

• 1:54:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop complaining about your problems because eighty percent could care less. And twenty percent of people are kinda happy you have them. Keep it to yourself. There is no benefit to it. There truly is no benefit to it. Keep it to your smaller circle. We're living in such an era of, of, you know. Be vulnerable with everything you got going on. Anyways, let's go to the next story.

• 1:54:44Adam Sosnick?

  Can we just put her political career to rest?

• 1:54:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:47Adam Sosnick?

  Like, I feel like everyone was talking about she's gonna run, she's gonna run. I was very consistent. I never saw that coming. Can we at least all acknowledge she's officially done? That conversation is not happening.

• 1:54:58Patrick Bet-David?

  If you get twenty-two thousand views. On a big podcast and the guy that did the interview has done many, many hundred plus million, hundred plus interviews over a million views. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. Anyways, let's go to the next one here. Dave Portnoy says he's sending culprits behind anti-Semitic sign to Auschwitz to learn about the Holocaust. This is what? This is the F the Jews thing that happened at the club. So Barstool founder Dave Portnoy announced that he will send it to him and responsible for the Jews sign at one of his Philadelphia bars to Auschwitz to learn about the Holocaust. Saying, I'm sending these kids to Auschwitz. They've agreed to go initially furious.

• 1:55:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm going to make it my life's mission to ruin these people, but later opted for teaching moment collaborating with the New England Patriots team owner, Robert Kraft, anti hate group for the concentration camp tour. The anti-Semitic incident revealed on social media involved bottle service girls presenting the sign to a group at the bar promoting prompting Portnoy to fire two waitresses involved in reflect. These are young effing morons who did this. They're drunk. Okay, Rob, is, do you want to play the clip? What, this is the picture of what they posted?

• 1:56:11Speaker 10

  Yes, this is the sign that went viral over the weekend.

• 1:56:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Rob, can you tell us what happened?

• 1:56:15Speaker 10

  So apparently there are students from Temple that had bottle service at one of the clubs that or bars that Dave Portnoy owns in Philadelphia.

• 1:56:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:24Speaker 10

  Uh, part of the bottle service, you get this sign that you can put anything on the marquee. The people that were in that bottle service area put this on there and then it went viral all over the internet Saturday into Sunday.

• 1:56:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And let me ask you, Rob, is this the one where you were saying it's not computer? You have to choose the letters and put them on there?

• 1:56:44Speaker 10

  Yeah, like if you've ever driven past like a McDonald's or where they have the sign out front, it's the same lettering that they go and place on. So it's not a digital sign. Somebody actually had to write this out on the sign.

• 1:56:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So it's not like a quick 15 second boom, take you down?

• 1:56:59Speaker 10

  No, you'd have to go and find all of these letters, then put them in. Yeah.

• 1:57:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. And let's see Dave Portnoy's, is this his initial reaction or the second?

• 1:57:07Speaker 10

  Yes, I have his initial reaction. Here's the initial.

• 1:57:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Reaction. Go for it.

• 1:57:12Speaker 21

  All right, Merzey press conference time. So I'm getting ready to go to the bet gala. And all of a sudden, my phone, the last hour or two, my phone's fucking blowing up. Our bar in Philadelphia, Barstool Sampson Street, usually a great fucking bar. You know, bottle service, people buy drinks? You get a sign, there was a sign yesterday that said, "Fuck the Jews."

• 1:57:35Speaker 21

  I've been shaking, I've been so fucking mad for the last two hours. Like, I instantly got on, this is why the emergency press conference is late, because I was so over the top, it's like, I'm gonna fucking make it my life fucking mission to ruin these people. Like, I'm coming to your throat, I'm never-ending. And, and I just sat, and for the last two hours, I have been on the trail. Trust me, I've been on the trail. You think I'm gonna put up with this shit at my bar? So, I've been hunting down waitresses, the table who did it, and everything you can fucking name. Because I want fucking consequences for fucking actions. So I'm not just sitting back like, "Oh, what are you gonna..." No, trust me. I have been on it.

• 1:58:20Speaker 21

  I believe the two waitresses responsible, the table already fired. I talked to one of them, one of the dumbest fucking humans I've ever talked to in my life. She's at a fucking dance recital, she's like, "Can I call you back in 20?" "No fucking honey, you fucking can't, there's your one chance to talk to me." Idiot, total idiot, this girl. I've talked to the guy, Mike Dot Wade, who's tagged, guess what? He wasn't even fucking there. I had this kid basically in tears, turning state witness to me, rolling on the people who were there. I've talked to one of the two guys who fucking did it. He's like, "I'm not anti-Semitic," he's basically crying to me. And I'm just like, "I don't fucking buy it for a second." Who the fuck would do that sign in my fucking bar?

• 1:59:05Speaker 21

  You think I'm just gonna sit here? I'm gonna make it my fucking mission to put you in lights. My fucking mission!

• 1:59:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Adam, your thoughts on this?

• 1:59:17Adam Sosnick?

  I have so much to say here, but I'm gonna say this as a proud Jew. I'm gonna say this as someone who has a bar in South Beach. There's some videos of how easy you can just make a sign. And I'm gonna say this as just someone who's a logical actor and respects all people. I don't think, I don't, I don't, I'm against, this is a shocking statement. I'm against all form of hate crimes. So imagine any other people that a sign like this going up. This is at my bar, Bodega, in Miami. And a person literally has to put the things in there. Happy birthday, Adam. It's, we've all been to a bar before. It's very easy. So the person that said, hey, I want to buy a bottle. And they're gonna say, what do you want on the sign?

• 2:00:02Adam Sosnick?

  He says, F the Jews. He said that, that's how it happened. Now, I also blame the idiot servers who are like, okay, let me go ahead and do that. So it's completely ignorant, it's completely hateful, and it's completely all too common these days. Imagine if they replaced Jews with blacks, or gays, or Mexicans, or Chinese, or Muslims, or Christians, the outrage of anybody. So everyone says, well, you know, just because you're against Israel, doesn't mean you're against the Jews. Really? Because that slippery slope just happened real quick. So, all right, I'm not against the Jews, I'm just against Israel.

• 2:00:46Adam Sosnick?

  Well, no, I'm against Israel, just not the Zionists. Well, I'm just, I'm not against, I'm against, why, maybe I am against the Jews. Boom. It's a very slippery slope. And what I will caution anybody that has never been to the Middle East, and PBD knows this better than anybody. And I've spent time in Israel and other countries around, even Georgia.

• 2:01:06Adam Sosnick?

  The Middle East is not the Midwest. And the way that people operate in the Middle East is a lot different than in the friendly confines of America, or in the EU, or in Australia, or in Canada. These people in the Middle East respond to strength and not weakness. If you're weak, you're dead. So as a famous Jewish philosopher has once said. So as far as Dave Portnoy, I'm fully behind Dave Portnoy. Smart guy, sharp guy, cunning guy, someone who stirs the pot and knows what the hell he's doing. So why is he sending people to Auschwitz? Well, it's actually very common.

• 2:01:48Adam Sosnick?

  There's something called the March of the Living, where you can go walk into the streets of Auschwitz and Bergen-Beltschon and different camps that many Jews died in, 6 million apparently. So I know there's a lot of Holocaust deniers. I encourage you to go. And I encourage you to go to see what happened to these actual people who were just exterminated just because they were Jewish. I'm fully behind Dave Portnoy on this. Now, my fear is that this will not change shit. The total ignorance is pervasive, and I wish these people were educated. Unfortunately, the hate is not going anywhere.

• 2:02:32Adam Sosnick?

  So Jews just need to be strong and deal with this. That's it.

• 2:02:36Speaker 05

  Well, because I looked up ChatGPT, I'm like, who, first of all, unacceptable. Writing down the bar, from the top down, from the waitress, from... Somebody should have been like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't care what race they come from. They should have said, absolutely not. I don't give a shit how much money this guy is spending, how much bottle service. And Rob, because I ChatGPT, I was like, who's the guy that was there? And this is what ChatGPT and what name is floating around. This is allegedly, this is not us, saying that it's him, but the name floating around is Mohammed Adnan Khan, K-H-A-N, and the middle name is A-D-N-A-N. This is, again, the name floating around. Who allegedly bought the bottle and handed it off right before, um, I might be wrong.

• 2:03:21Adam Sosnick?

  I think you're actually right.

• 2:03:22Speaker 05

  Am I right?

• 2:03:23Adam Sosnick?

  It goes by Mo.

• 2:03:24Speaker 05

  Is this the guy? Is this the guy, Rob?

• 2:03:25Adam Sosnick?

  M O Khan.

• 2:03:26Speaker 10

  According to Temple News, which is where they're saying he's a student at, uh, that is who they identify as being responsible for the time.

• 2:03:33Speaker 05

  Okay, so that's, that's them saying it. And it just, it, it, the one thing that I took from this too, for me, dude, all these, all the, all the things that we're taught, that we're not taught, we're told about all the races, Tom, and all the, you know, Trump-loving MAGA, we're all, everybody's racist and it's all, you think, this should be something then from their point of view, down south, and this should be happening down in, no, no, this is happening where?

• 2:03:58Speaker 05

  Philadelphia, right? The most liberal, these are the places, Adam, that I think it's almost welcome, like, it's cool to do it. And I think it, it just, it, it makes me laugh that it's not where they're, they, they, they say all these racists really are and all these MAGA and Trump people. It's always happening in places like this. It's always happening in places like Harvard. And it's like, when are they gonna step up and actually do something about it? The fact that they did that and they recorded it and they put it out and nobody said shit? Come on, man.

• 2:04:25Adam Sosnick?

  Just to validate what you're saying, Dave Portnoy put this out there on his Instagram. So I know you're saying this is allegedly who it is. We can confirm, but this is from Dave Portnoy's Instagram.

• 2:04:37Speaker 05

  Introducing Mo Khan.

• 2:04:39Adam Sosnick?

  Mohammed Khan.

• 2:04:40Speaker 05

  So this is him saying that he did it?

• 2:04:42Adam Sosnick?

  He's one of the video, F the Jews, signed.

• 2:04:43Speaker 05

  And I don't, I don't know, listen, and I.

• 2:04:45Adam Sosnick?

  He said, this literally, he said, I spoke with him yesterday and he took 100% responsibility for his actions with his buddy and we agreed on learning, on a learning trip to Poland and hopefully as a reciting, the teaching moment, that's for the march of the living. However, the next post was the following, Rob.

• 2:05:01Adam Sosnick?

  He said, well, no, actually, um, this is also Mo Khan. We asked him today about this post. He said, he'd have to speak with his parents about it. Long story short, this 21-year-old child is taking zero accountability for his actions. His trip to Poland has been revoked. Uh, whatever ramifications come his way is 100% earned. And there's a post apparently where he made a joke.

• 2:05:20Speaker 05

  So.

• 2:05:21Adam Sosnick?

  Throw a quarter on the ground, find a Jew. By the way.

• 2:05:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I've heard that joke a million times. I got no problem with that joke. These are jokes. When we start canceling people because of jokes, that's where we have a problem. I'm not... But when you start putting a sign, "F the Jews", where is it acceptable for any other race, ethnicity, religion to hold up a sign? And people are saying you can't criticize the Jews. I'm seeing a lot of criticism.

• 2:05:43Speaker 05

  And this is where, and this is what I think it is, guys. And this is where this whole thing has exploded, okay? You can be critical of any government. It's any government, our government, including Israel, okay? That's fine. But the moment you go into the people, like I was in during 9/11 and George Bush, that's one of the main reasons I left. And my attitude was anti-him, anti-Bush Jr., anti-Rumsfeld, anti-Cheney, alright? What they did, to me, they deserved to be in prison if not treasonous, uh, the death penalty for what they did and they lied to us and the people that died. That doesn't equate to "F America" and "F this",

• 2:06:25Speaker 05

  and no, no, no. That's the problem. You can be critical towards a nation and their government, but the moment you start going "F the Jews", and it's a bar and it's that type of shit, I'm anti that. I'm not for it.

• 2:06:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I have nothing, I'm not gonna repeat anything that's been said. I just have a question. If you were in that bar that night, where were you? If you were across the bar and say, "Hey, look at that sign over there", where were you? If we're not a nation of standards and of people that will stand for principles, then there are things that are gonna happen around you, they're gonna grow around you, that are gonna grow up around you. And if you're just happy to sit at your table and not walk across and be a person of principle, where were you? That's the question I have. Where were the other people in that bar? I would not have been in the bar in a VIP section, but if I was, if it was like a lounge area restaurant or somebody where I might be sitting there waiting for a table or something and I saw that,

• 2:07:20Tom Ellsworth?

  I would ask the manager, "What is up with that? Why is that there?" And so, where were the coworkers? Where were the bartenders? Where were the patrons? Where was the manager? Where was everybody else while this was going on? Where were you? And this, I believe, in a little way, is a shining light on what is becoming America as we slide toward, you know, a nation that...

• 2:07:47Tom Ellsworth?

  What are your principles? And what will you stand up for? And what will you walk across the street to say, "I'm not standing for that and I can't have this." And so that's my question today is where were those that were around?

• 2:07:58Adam Sosnick?

  Can I ask you three a question? And I'm, dude, I'm so unemotional about this stuff at this point.

• 2:08:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Be very clear with your question though, but go ahead.

• 2:08:04Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I'm so unemotional about this because I'm just so used to it at this point. If you were in a bar and you saw a sign that said, "F the Christians," or "F the Assyrians," what would you do?

• 2:08:15Patrick Bet-David?

  There would be a problem or we would leave.

• 2:08:18Speaker 05

  Probably more of a problem with me. Yeah, I'm grabbing the sign.

• 2:08:23Adam Sosnick?

  When you say there would be a problem, how would you approach it?

• 2:08:25Patrick Bet-David?

  First of all, you're not going to find me at a bar at this age because I would do something. That's why I avoid places like that. Even when we're at the derby and we're leaving at the end, this drunk guy comes up and pulls my hand, "Hey, we have to do business together." I have a problem with being in places where people are drunk and do stupid things. Because if you cross the line of disrespect, you almost have to do something. But at the same time, you've got four kids. You also got to make the responsible decision.

• 2:08:54Adam Sosnick?

  What would you do, Vinny?

• 2:08:55Speaker 05

  If I saw, if the...

• 2:08:57Adam Sosnick?

  I mean, it could be at a bar, it could be at a restaurant, any place where people can basically do this kind of thing.

• 2:09:01Speaker 05

  By the way, I'm grabbing that sign and I'm not, I'm, Pat has a little bit more temperament than me because he has way more to lose than me. I'm gonna get, I'm grabbing the sign. But that, what he says is a great question. If you were at that bar, what are you doing at that bar? What are you, even, by the way, I don't have to be a Jewish person. If I see that, by the way, you're all on camera. I'm grabbing that shit, I'm grabbing that fuck, sorry. I'm gonna grab that sign, but yo, what the hell are you guys doing? What are you, nuts? What are you, you guys even know where the hell you are right now? Like, you're at, you're at a Jewish guy's bar, number one. Number two, what, what? Like, would you, what would you do if you were at that bar?

• 2:09:36Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you, if it was, "F the Jews, F the Muslims, F the Mexicans, F the Christians, F the blacks," I would get up and say, "Dude, what are you doing right now?" I wouldn't fight the person. I would stand for what's right. I would stand for what's right, for you to just call out an entire community, an entire ethnicity, entire religion, and you'd be that selfish and that hateful and that vengeful. Something needs to be said. I would do it for any other ethnicity out there, not just the Jews. And that's what I think needs to be understood, is that call out ridiculous, absurd, hatred, whatever it is.

• 2:10:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and, and, and the other part is with Portnoy, Portnoy made it clear where he stands. He did the same thing at the UFC fight with, uh, who was fighting? Bryce Mitchell was fighting. When he got up and, you know, put the yarmulke on and started screaming. By the way, that's where his conviction lies. If that's where his conviction lies, you gotta respect it. The fact that he's willing to get loud and, you know, make noise about it. Uh, the, the, to me, it's purely with respect side. When every once in a while, you make a comment about, you know, Sarah, you know, what's her name? Huckabee or, you know, some of the stuff's like, hey, we have to tone it down. So it's been multiple comments that's been made. I say lead with respect.

• 2:10:54Patrick Bet-David?

  When you cross the line like that, we have a problem. And, uh, but, but, you know, again, it's good for him to call it out and a market can react to it any way they want to.

• 2:11:03Adam Sosnick?

  It's not like the guy said, "F Israel's war" or "F Bibi Netanyahu." He's saying, "F this entire religion." And it's becoming all too common and acceptable, and nobody with their right mind would stand for this. Imagine doing that. "F the Muslims" or "F Allah." What have we seen happen when you do that?

• 2:11:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you.

• 2:11:25Adam Sosnick?

  We've known what happened.

• 2:11:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You also can't say "F the Jew." You can't. Don't act like they're also not protected.

• 2:11:32Adam Sosnick?

  What do you mean?

• 2:11:33Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you also can't say that. You also can't say "F the, uh, Muslims." I put those two as very similar. So I don't want to, you know, I'm gonna play a little bit of the other side to say, as inappropriate as it is, those two you can't do. Christians always get shots taken at them. Are you kidding me? Halloween, what is Halloween all about? Go ahead and dress like Mohammed on Halloween, see what happens to you. Go ahead. How many people make fun of Jesus on Halloween? What are we talking about? No, that happens a lot. I think the one that they do the most is Christians. Because you earlier mentioned the fact that one of the things I don't ask for anymore is what? Tolerance. No.

• 2:12:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But you, this is not a very common thing. This is why the reaction was the way that it is. And rightfully so, to go to a place like this. But I think there's two places you can't go. The same with Muslim, although more and more people are feeling a little bit more comfortable with that because they're seeing what's happening to London. They're seeing what's happening to Dearborn, Michigan. And they're starting to realize, hey man, if your argument is so good, make the communities you move into better. Is it getting better? If it is, keep talking about it. Is business getting better? Is unemployment going lower? Is the place safer? Do other religions and ethnicities feel safer being there? Or no? If not, you lose the argument. Just kind of what you said earlier.

• 2:12:51Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I mean, and listen, I have Muslim friends. So this is not an attack on anything with Islam. But show me rallies where tons and tons of Muslims are there, where they're cheering for the United States. Go ahead, show me. Show me that. Show me ones where they're not burning the flag.

• 2:13:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You won't see many of them. Yeah, it's, you won't see many of them. You will not see many of them. But America's starting to realize, you have to be very careful. We had a conversation about this at the Derby. You and I and Tico, early in the morning, if you remember this. Tom got involved as well. Was it even Alperka involved into it? We played this last week. Anyways, gang, a couple of things I want to do before we wrap it up. One, for some of you guys that are local, we have a hiring event for Bedavid Consulting for Thursday. This is a salary job, okay? For consulting and it's sales with benefits. If you're somebody who is qualified, okay? Who has five years of experience with sales. You've done consulting, you have an MBA.

• 2:13:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Apply there Rob, can you put the link below in the in the comment section so people can go to it? It'll be Thursday, somebody from the team will reach out to see if you do qualify to come through to the property. And we'll give you a tour of the property and there will be interviews done in the hangar. So if you're somebody that qualifies, apply your resume there, the team will get back to you. And details will be given to you as well. And last but not least, before we wrap up, we announced two months ago that moving forward, just like YouTube gives plaques when you cross 100,000 subs, just like Shopify gives you things, so does Minect. And we have the first two Minect experts, influencers that crossed 5,000 Minects.

• 2:14:34Patrick Bet-David?

  One of them I have here, which is the red Minect plaque that goes out to put on your desk. The first one goes to Thomas L. Wurst, brother, right here, 5,000 plus Minects. Tom, that's gonna go with all the deal toys that you have on your wall. And the other one that we have that crossed 5,000 Minects is the one and only Vincent O'Shaughnessy, my man. Vincent O'Shaughnessy, Tom L. Wurst, to all the people that use Minect. Man, I absolutely am in love with this app. There's so many great things that's coming with it. There's so many great things that's coming with it, a lot of new updates. Minect is about to go into 140 countries here in the next few weeks.

• 2:15:18Patrick Bet-David?

  We got a massive, massive update to be announced. A couple of the guys that won the contest for Minect. One of them was Zeus. Zeus came up to the Derby, we got him a ticket, and Timothy, Timothy Ryan. Tim was there, Tim Ryan was there, hanging out at the Derby. We had a phenomenal, phenomenal experience. Lindy Lee's been crushing it. You got Andy Elliott that crushed it, although last month Timothy Ryan beat Andy Elliott. Terrence Howard, DJ Shipley, Annika Sperings officially on Minect if you want to ask her questions. There's a lot of good things going on on Minect. Excited about what's going on there. It's growing. It had the biggest month again in the month of April. Circles are growing. And if you watch this podcast yourself and you want to be involved in the circle.

• 2:16:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So all the notes we get, you get as well. And all the exchange and the debates and the conversations, go join Minect Circles, PBD Podcast, the QR code is there. We'll see you there. Take care everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

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