Trump’s Air Force One Escape, Tucker & Hunter Biden Team Up & WNBA Apology Gone Wrong | PBD #843

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team react to Trump’s secret Air Force One escape amid Iranian threats, Tucker Carlson’s unlikely connection with Hunter Biden, and the rise of stay-at-home boyfriends. Plus, Trump’s childhood vaccine overhaul, Fauci’s newly released texts, Iran’s grip on Hormuz, AOC’s breakup, and the Democratic Socialist surge in Wisconsin. 🎟️ SECURE YOUR 2026 VAULT TICKETS: https://bit.ly/4xU2SCW 👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 🧢 SHOP THE BLACK & GOLD FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT HAT: https://bit.ly/4pe7gZh 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves ” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

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  You are a one of one?

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  My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

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  All right, well. Are you okay? Lots of noise, lots of things happening. Sorry. Lots of stories, you know, we got Fauci. Fauci had another rough week with stories coming out about the fact that these guys in text knew that the vax was going to potentially cause miscarriages. A big for some. Bill Ackman comes out and says, no wonder my wife and I had seven miscarriages. And then all of a sudden Fauci's back into it again, seven. Seven miss Bill Ackman? After she got the shot, his wife, together, they had seven miscarriages. That's crazy. That's crazy. In a how long of a span? Well, I don't know what the how long of a span would be, say, a couple of years, but you know, it is, it is something that we'll talk about here today.

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  Brad Pitt came out and said he's no longer sober, he's drinking again after seven years. After the Fauci hearing. They asked why some of the family issues, stuff like that, so we'll talk about that. Conor McGregor said he's going to be joining him. He messaged me. Alcohol sobriety. They messaged me both of them, they're like, Vinny, stop being a little wussy. And I was like, guys, I can't. You wouldn't cave. No, no, don't do it, no. Despite the headlines, you're not drinking. WNBA coach, what a sincere coach. She's so awesome. Isn't she so sincere? Like the level of sincerity when she comes out and says, I didn't see it. When I, when they called the foul, I didn't see it. Then, you know, this is like, you not understand, you're living in the social media era. Videos going viral showing you're right behind a foul. How do you not see the head getting hit and say, well, you know, I don't think it was

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  a dirty play? She was standing in front of the people that have front row seats. She had better view than the referees. Court side. Of the foul, so absolutely embarrassing, embarrassing. Imagine your player and your players start talking to each other, saying, does the coach even have our back or not? You know, is this, is this person, and she gets upset at the media, you, you're getting upset? I don't think you have a place to get upset. By the way, some guy about a year or two years ago made a prediction and Tom wasn't a fan of the prediction. And the prediction was the fact that AOC is going to be the Democratic candidate and Tom fought me on this hardcore behind closed doors. You guys know Tom's temper. It was pretty bad, things being thrown around and then Adam's like, it'll never happen. I think it was the guy on your right. It'll never happen.

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  And then Kelsey, Kelsey comes out yesterday. Do you know how much money has been put on this? $170 million. 178 this morning, sir. I'm off 8 million dollars. Kelsey comes out this morning, you know what it says? Guess who's officially the leading candidate to become the Democratic presidential candidate for 2020? Not Pete Buttigieg? It's not Pete, it's not Newsom, it's officially AOC. A socialist takes over and she froze her eggs and apparently they broke up, her and her fiance had a breakup. And so there's a bunch of different speculation, maybe we'll address that. And then SPLC, you guys remember the whole SPLC scandal that came out, oh, we would never do such a thing, we're about uniting and we're about, you know, bringing blacks and whites together.

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  Where apparently Charlottesville, the whole riot was started by the SPLC. And you know who reports on this? Not Breitbart, not Fox, you know, we're not talking about practice. Not talking about practice, baby, don't talk. You know who does? Who? ABC News. Can you imagine how embarrassing it is that you're forcing ABC to have to address this issue with you, but they do, so we will talk about that story. And then FYI, how many times do you try to trick your family or your kids, like you go to a restaurant and you sneak out in a car and you change the Uber and then so people don't see where you're going because you're trying to get a surprise or a gift or something like that? Well, somebody did that at a whole different level and he's got a job that works on Pennsylvania

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  Avenue, this guy named Donald J. Trump, who happens to have this job called president, and he allegedly used a catering truck to sneak off Air Force One amid Iranian threats and went on a completely different place and everybody thought he was on Air Force One. So imagine the people that are on the Air Force One, it's like, look, if we get attacked, we're taking one for the team. And everybody else goes on the other side, but that's the kind of stuff that you gotta do. Like that old movie, My Best Friend's Wedding, right? Julia Roberts running away in the catering truck. That's a good one, that's a good one right there. Ellison's, who are buying Paramount, they're saying when the deal gets done, allegedly they want to move Paramount out of California to two states and we'll reveal to you what those two states are. And those two states are not Illinois, it's not, you know, they're not looking at Maryland or New York, they're looking at a couple of states that happen to be red and you can

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  probably guess who goes. And they may sell one component. I know, I know, and that one component is the one I don't want them to sell. I want them to keep it. But they're being forced to sell that, so maybe we'll reveal to them what that one component is. I don't want them to sell it, don't do it. Keep it, don't do it. And then we got a few other stories we'll get into, but one of the stories that we'll get into is Tucker Carlson had Hunter Biden on his podcast. And while they were on the podcast, they talked about a lot of different things. Remember the Hunter Biden laptop story? Well, who was the outlet that X was supposed to take down the tweet that was going viral? You know, all these different stories during the election that was going, you know, all the, I don't know what it was, I don't know if it was a New York Post story, I don't

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  know what it was. I think it was a New York Post. I think it was New York Post where Twitter took it down and they said, hey, this is a conspiracy, this is not really happening. Russia planted, speculation. Biden and Hunter and Tucker actually are sitting there talking and Tucker said sided with Hunter, that the laptop was allegedly, you know, coming from where? I don't know what he was saying, he was, he makes this out again, we'll play the clip. But let me tell you what we decided to do, and this credit to this goes to Vinny. We decided to reach out to John Paul McIsaac, who if you remember him at the time, he was the gentleman who Hunter brought the laptop to.

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  And so Hunter on Tucker's laptop called out John Paul allegedly, apparently he's saying John Paul's lying. This is a lie. So we said, hey, let's, let's get John Paul to say something about it. And so John Paul is here with us, John Paul in a minute will come to you and play the video clip for you and then have you react to it and then we'll get into it and maybe the boys, Vinny, will ask a question and then we'll go from there. But with that being said, a lot of exciting things and last but not least, the rumors are true. My, my, you know, everybody with the Andrew Wilson offer that was made to Candace Owens for $300,000 on the Rogan podcast, the debate is taking place tomorrow, it's going to be

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  live, it's going to be 11 a.m. Eastern Standard Time, 8 a.m. Pacific, and it's going to be a live, not pre-recorded, it's not, it's not pre-recorded, on the topic of, you know, Charlie Kirk and his position is that there's overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk and her argument is the fact that, no, he was a patsy. So that'd be a very, very, they've agreed, I was involved, you know, we had Zooms, we had calls together and both sides, credit to them, each of them have kept their commitments of going back and forth. So you decide which side you are with this, people know where I'm at, but I'm a moderator

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  for this. I'm not going into this debating, I'm simply there hosting this debate and I'm, I'm looking forward to it. I think the audience has been asking for something like this for some time. So kudos for both of them for having agreed to do this. Again, whether you agree or not, I respect anybody that gets in the arena that's willing to take the criticism and the feedback that comes from all sides and you know, you know, it's great when people send me messages and say, oh my God, you know, people are so angry on this side and you're going to, you're going to be on Andrew's side. And, and the camp from Andrew's camp is like, you're going to be on Candace's side. That's when you know this is going to be a good show because no one's happy. And respect to Michael Knowles and Rogan, who were also involved, Michael Knowles had his own position he shared with the audience, Joe Rogan was also involved, respect to, respect

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  so many opportunities for you to get your deals done and recruit somebody that you want to raise money with or deploy some of the capital that you have, or even get some, you know, knowledge from the people that are speaking there. Logan Paul, Stephen Bartlett from Diary of CEO, Joe Montana, you know, you got Jerry Rice, Dan Martel, as well as Alex Spiro in the CEO session and Stephen A. Smith's gonna show up as well. And there'll be a lot of surprising people attending there that you'll get a chance to network with. So go to Vault2026.com, get a ticket for yourself. For some of you guys that are bringing five packs, there's an opportunity to get a five pack with general tickets as well. With that being said, let's get right into it. So Tucker Carlson has Hunter Biden on. And while they're there,

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  the topic of the laptop comes up. And when the topic of the laptop comes up, this is what Hunter had to say, and this is what Tucker had to say, and we decided to invite John Paul McIsaac, who was the gentleman who received Hunter's laptop that had the bold Biden sticker on it, where John Paul asked him, "What's your name?" And Hunter gives him a look and says, "Hunter Biden." And this is in the state, if I'm not mistaken, it was in Delaware, if I'm not mistaken, he'll correct me if I'm wrong. So Tucker had Hunter Biden on, they had a conversation together, and here's what they had to say. Go for it.

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  Then the official story comes out about how the laptop was left. You left a couple of laptops in a laptop repair store in Greenville, Delaware, which I'm a town I'm very familiar with. So, and the guy was blind. Then I interviewed the guy who seemed to totally believe the story, John McIsaac. I mean, he seemed to be telling the truth. But the story did not make sense. Meanwhile, I'm getting, we get approached by Israelis connected to Benjamin Netanyahu, like I know that, who are shopping this stuff to me at Fox News. And I'm like, I don't think that that part of the story, the laptop is real. I thought that from day one. But the way that it entered the bloodstream of the American media was not real. I just want to

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  ask you point blank, did you drop off laptops?

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  No. And this is the thing that I've said over and over again. I have literally zero recollection or memory of ever dropping off a laptop.

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  Oh, you don't remember?

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  John Paul McIsaac. No, the answer is no.

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  I was high that day.

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  Drop it high! John Paul McIsaac, who's legally blind, who on the day when the laptop became public, sat outside of his shop and gave an interview and flat out says that he doesn't remember seeing me. He couldn't identify me. And also, the security cameras that he has don't have any footage from that time. And so regardless though, regardless of anything, just this, the laptop, according to Lev Parnas, under oath in his testimony before the House Oversight Committee, was being sold by Rudy Giuliani in Ukraine, all the way back in 2018. And so,

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  Rudy Giuliani is working with a guy named Andrei Derkach, who was a MP in Ukraine and a known Russian GRU agent. So Rudy goes over there and basically takes his dossier and receives information that Hunter Biden's hard drive, not laptop, is for sale. And the person that they can go to is this other Ukrainian Russian oligarch who is living in Austria. That's what Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were doing, getting on the plane before they were arrested.

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  We can pause it right now. They're gonna go back and forth for about five minutes, but here's what we do know. What we do know as the market, that we saw this, that on October, to give you the exact date, October 14, 2020, 20 days before the 2020 election, this tweet is going viral with the story of New York Post. They end up taking it down, Twitter does. Remember, at that time Elon doesn't own Twitter. And later on, when they did Twitter files, I don't know if you guys remember the Twitter files.

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  Matt Taibbi, I believe.

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  Exactly, Matt Taibbi. And there was one other person that was involved as well.

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  Could have been Barry Weiss.

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  I think it was Barry Weiss. Then you see email exchange of them saying that, "Hey, you guys specifically asked to take these things down, why did you?" And then it was chaotic everywhere. So, John Paul, first of all, thank you for making the time for being on the podcast here with us. What was your reaction when you saw this exchange about the laptop? How did you, the person that was involved in this story, how did you react to the story?

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  Well, for the last six months, actually I think longer, I've been listening to Hunter try to rewrite his history. So I think that aspect's comical, because every lie that's come out of Hunter's mouth has actually been proven in court to be a lie by his father's own DOJ. Like Exhibit 6 was the timeline for the laptop. And it clearly states that I sent him an email. I called him. He called me back. He came back to the shop. The serial number of his laptop that he signed for was the same serial number that was on the subpoena. So, it's kind of, it's ridiculous that he's trying to rewrite history unless he owes somebody a

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  lot of money that's also producing a documentary that wants a certain narrative to be pushed. And that's what I think's happening.

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  Who is that? Who is the person doing the documentary?

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  Well, Hunter owes Kevin Morris a lot of money. And every time Hunter made a public appearance in the past four years, he's always had Kevin Morris and his camera crew around. So we're waiting patiently for this documentary to come out. And I just assumed the last eight months have been Hunter doing Kevin Morris's like PR work, basically.

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  What is the exact amount that he owes Kevin Morris for the documentary? Do you know?

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  Well, Kevin Morris footed his bill during the time he was in California. So I heard it was up to $4.2 million, but I haven't been keeping track of Hunter's finances.

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  Okay. And so, and so when you saw this, what was your reaction with the way Tucker pushed back or the lack of pushback on the story? Knowing Tucker has access to you, he can call you, he had the conversation with you. And Tucker, just a few years ago, was one of the guys that said, "This is the biggest story that took place." And so, his position changed. Did you, one, what are your thoughts about the way Tucker reacted to him? And number two, did Tucker's camp at all reach out to you to get a, you know, reaction to the interview?

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  So I'm not really too surprised at Tucker's reaction. So I was introduced to Tucker on October 16th and I had a lengthy text message with him.

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  This is October 16th of what 2020 or October 16th of what year 2020?

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  Okay, got it. Two days after the New York Post broke the story Tucker, I was introduced to Tucker in a chat, a text message and we texted back and forth. He asked me a lot of questions about what the FBI was asking me and what they had, if he knew what they were looking into and what they had found. And then that was it. The last time, the next time I talked, I talked to Tucker Carlson was May 4th of 2022. And that told me that he had absolutely zero interest in confronting me about the laptop. What happened after our conversation on the 16th, I was also introduced with a gentleman named Yakov Applebaum on the 17th by the same guy that introduced me to Tucker

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  Carlson. And Yakov is, and this gentleman that introduced me was Larry Johnson, who's a former CIA analyst, a friend of my father, who was kind of helping me navigate this quagmire I found myself in. And so Yakov worked for Larry as his tech guy. So Larry sent Yakov to my house to collect the laptop, the data to analyze and verify it. He then collected some criminality off of it to mail to Tucker's producer, which Tucker or says the UPS lost on, I think it was the 27th of October. Which that just threw up red flags to me because then to have Tucker not even want me

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  to talk about the laptop on his show for a year and a half, told me that, and then when I found out that Tucker was in the laptop, it kind of all made sense. So what I feel like Tucker's doing right now is I think he's kind of running cover for his complacency in covering the laptop. I mean, he, he beat his sabers and, you know, talked about accountability and he brought up the laptop a lot, but I mean, it took him a year and a half to have me on the show. And I was told if I talked about anything other than what he wanted to talk about, I would never be invited back.

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  Who said that to you? The producers?

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  Tucker's producer.

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  Interesting. So Tucker's.

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  I, I've had Tucker flagged as like complacent with covering up the laptop from, since basically the, the 16th of October.

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  2020, six years.

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  Asked me a lot of questions and then that was it. I didn't hear a squeak out of him.

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  What's your speculation? You said he's in the laptop. In, in what way is he in the laptop? Is it an email exchange?

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  Yeah, he was friends with Hunter. He was neighbors. I think Hunter, he was asking for Hunter to get his kid into Georgetown and then I think the wife had some plans. I, I know he was in the laptop. I don't care. It's DC. Plus, I mean, people forget Tucker was in CNN for a while. I mean, yeah, he's an opportunist. So.

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  Yeah, I think, I think that exchange is, to me, it's nothing. It's, you know, if you guys are communicating at that time, you're in DC, I totally get it. You know, families talk to one another. Sometimes there is the acting and what we do on TV and then you see some of these guys behind closed doors that they're friends with all of them. So it wasn't that it was anything malicious that it was in the laptop. It's just purely that there was proof that they're communicating and they're friends.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think inviting to each other's birthday parties, that kind of stuff.

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  Got it. So the last time you spoke to him was May 4th of 2022. The first time you did was October 16th of 2020, four days before the New York Post story came up. And then immediately a few hours later Twitter took it down. Okay. So, so in, in this case, when you're, when you're hearing the exchange between the two of them, you know, the market looking at this, knowing all of this was documented and you know Tucker knows this stuff and you know Hunter knows this stuff, why wouldn't Tucker push back? Why, why wouldn't he push back on this?

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  Why didn't Sean Ryan push back? Why didn't Candace Owens push back? Why hasn't any interview Tucker done has, and why has Tucker refused to do interviews where he knows that there's going to be pushback? So I, I think again, I think Kevin Morris is going to get his money back. He's produced Broadway productions. He's produced documentaries before. I think he's put a lot of money into Hunter and I think he wants to recoup that money. So I think a lot of what we're seeing right now is, is opportunities for people like Tucker to insert Israel into the mix, which again, it's, he knows who Yakov is. He knows he's not an Israeli asset. So why Tucker wanted to pander

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  to his audience about Israelis and the link and the tie, that's, that's on Tucker. But I, I don't, you know, it just seems awfully peculiar for people to sacrifice their credibility at this level, knowing the facts and knowing the detail and knowing that his own, Hunter's own father's DOJ documented everything. And, you know, but they're, usually the only reason why people would do these things is for money. So that's my only, that's the only thing I can.

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  Yeah, it's funny. I looked at it. The original document alone to Biden was six and a half million. The current reported debt is five plus million. And, you know, they're going back and forth. There was also an unusual transaction involving Hunter's artwork. Morris purchased art in a deal that the Congressional Investigators Calculator reduced Hunter's debt to Morris by $525,000. And this is stuff that's out there. This is judiciary.house.gov. So it's not like this is a blogger writing this that's out there. But Vinny, when you see this, what questions do you have for John Paul?

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  So, hey, John, it's, it's Vinny. Good to see you again. So John, just, I have two things. Just because they, they keep saying, oh, he's, he's blind. He doesn't know. He doesn't see. I have two things. So that day, John, when Hunter walked in and you said, you know, very intoxicated, smelled like alcohol, trouble speaking, balancing, nearly dropped the laptop on the counter. One of them was liquid damage. So you couldn't get anything out of it, probably because he was drinking and doing whatever the hell he does on it. And then you saw the Bo Biden Foundation sticker. So you, you asked him who he was and he like paused and said, Hunter. And then you're like, okay, last name Biden. They want us to believe that what? This was some Mossad agent because they knew you were partially blind. They came in to set all this up. So I want just very, very briefly,

• 23:27Speaker 05

  John, could you recall that moment, that the, the interaction with him as if you don't know what his voice is? And then my second part, John, is now all these years, you couldn't talk about certain things on these laptops because of lawsuits. Now that they're all gone and everything's said and done, what's the one thing that you've been dying to tell everybody that you saw that you couldn't tell us the last time? That's like, oh my God, so blatantly obvious and one of the reasons he got a pardon?

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Wow. Uh, well, let's start with the last one. So, you know, I've always had a problem with the, the inappropriate relationship with Hunter's niece, his dead brother's kid. It's the reason why the gun ended up in the trash can in the first place. That behavior shocked me. What shocked me even more was Jim Biden and Joe Biden and basically the family, the patriarchy trying to do their best to come up with ways to silence the mother to, you know, we'll shove it down her throat was I think one of the quotes that I read when they were going to describe her drug use to kind of combat, you know, they were gonna, they were gonna punish her for, for Hunter's behavior

• 24:38Speaker 04

  revolving around an underage niece. And I thought that was probably the most horrible thing that a family could do to itself.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  And just really quick, quick, John, what, what, the relationship, was it just drug use or was there something nefarious happening between those two?

• 24:54Speaker 04

  Um.

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  That you saw allegedly?

• 24:57Speaker 04

  It looked like, it looked like there, Hunter was taking advantage of a, a young lady that kind of saw in Hunter a, a better man. Probably a crush. So, you know, there was a lot of, a lot of inappropriate, I mean, I believe the mother was upset because Hunter was smoking crack naked in front of her during chat messages or a message. So, or iChat, I think it was iChat.

• 25:24Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And it's, that's a messed up family and, you know, the, the depths that they would go to to protect their own from their own. It's just disgusting.

• 25:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, actually remember in Ashley Biden's, what was it? Her diary that she left behind at an Airbnb, she said some stuff about her father allegedly showering with her at inappropriate, probably at inappropriate ages. So then, John, just really fast, the, the day that he walked in, smelling like alcohol, dropping it off. Can you just very, very briefly bring that up again? Because they're acting as if you don't know what you're talking about and you couldn't see anything.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  All right. So. I've never, up until he walked in the shop, I absolutely had no interest in knowing what Hunter Biden looked like. So I had no idea who this guy was. The check-in process at my shop is I collect customer information. The first question is, can you give me your first name and your last name? It's simple. So, uh, yes, I am visually impaired. Uh, I cannot drive and yes, I have problems seeing past five to eight feet. Without visual aids.

• 26:30Speaker 04

  Am I blind? Am I unable to see? Who I'm talking to or recognize a person when they come in? Or recognize a person that's starring in their homemade porn is the same guy that dropped off the laptop? Or how about this for all the people that question my, my eyesight and my ability to see? Uh, I have pretty good hearing. So, you know, the, the high pitched entitled voice of Hunter Biden rings in my ears every time I hear it. I recognize that voice everywhere. So, you know, I, I, I'd say it's, it's all bullshit. They should see me at the range.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Adam, final question.

• 27:07Speaker 06

  Uh, John Paul, everyone wants to focus on Hunter. Uh, but I want to focus on you for a second. Uh, the way I look at this is everyone has their own incentives or their motivations. So break this down to first principles for me. You've been in the limelight for six years. What is your motivation for any of this? Why are you involved in this story other than him bringing you this laptop? How have you benefited?

• 27:31Speaker 04

  I, I never wanted to be involved with this story. And I'm actually surprised that here I am nearly six years later and I'm still having to defend the authenticity, the legitimacy, the chain of command, the origin of this laptop. And I'm doing it because people want to rewrite history for a reason. And this, I just don't feel like I should let this stand. I was hoping that in the four years that I was involved in lawfare to try to hold people accountable, that the Congress and other people would, uh, kind of join me and, and get my back. And unfortunately I was left on my own. Uh, so after four years of lawfare, I'm free to leave Delaware now. So I'm trying to desperately get out of Delaware before anything more, anything bad.

• 28:13Speaker 06

  Have you enriched yourself? Have you gotten any benefits from any of this?

• 28:18Speaker 04

  No, I, I, I lost my business. Uh, I'm destitute. I have to sell my home because I can't afford to live here. I have to, uh, I was swatted two years ago. Uh, the state of Delaware has tried to disarm me. I don't like leaving my house because every time I interact with anybody outside, it usually goes poorly. So I'm, I, you know, this is, this has not gone well for me, but I'm not going to give up because the people that seem to want to push a fake narrative are also just seem to be profiting greatly off of this. And I just think that's wrong to profit off of my suffering and the suffering of anybody else that was involved in this thing.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Well, you know, if the audience is watching the same thing I'm seeing, you seem very sincere on who you are. And also the first time I had you on, you seem very sincere. Why would you benefit from this? That's actually a good question to ask. Uh, uh, so John Paul, uh, appreciate you for making the time for jumping on and, and just kind of giving you a perspective. And, uh, we wish you nothing but the very best. Again, thank you for your time.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  Thank you, gentlemen.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Anytime. Thank you. It's, it's so interesting to me that you try to do this. The motives behind, remember in every relationship, if you ever want to size up an enemy, an ally, a friend, somebody you want to get married, remember the five things, concerns? What are your concerns? With that relationship, number two, what are your assumptions? What are your motives? What are the fears? What are your asks? What's Tucker's motive with this? What is the motive?

• 29:45Speaker 05

  I have, I have one, one angle.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  We know what Hunter's motive is. We get that, that, I mean, they need content. They need content to rebrand and then Hunter's going to come out and say, here's what we're doing. But what's Tucker's motive with this?

• 29:55Speaker 05

  So I, I, I'd love that you asked that. So yesterday Pat Chuck Ross, who used to work at Daily Caller, who, uh, I think Tucker co-owned or one of his companies.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  He did, him and Neil Patel, yes.

• 30:05Speaker 05

  He says that when the Hunter laptop story broke, he was working there, 2020. The reporters there found emails showing Tucker and Hunter knew each other, just like he's saying personally. Tucker asked Hunter to write a recommendation to get his son Buckley into Georgetown. So the reporters thought, okay, this is perfect. The media's claiming the laptop emails could be fake and Tucker could personally confirm that, you know, his emails with Hunter were real. But according to Ross, Tucker wanted no part of it and allegedly got pissed off, Pat, saying a story about it would be attack on his family. Like basically me and Tucker, me and Tucker are like this. They go way back.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  And who is this person?

• 30:43Speaker 05

  Chuck Ross.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Is this the email exchange or is this something else?

• 30:47Speaker 05

  Of course, getting on the plane now, but I'll ask Suzie to send it.

• 30:49Speaker 07

  Now, this is Tucker asking, uh, in 2014, specifically asking Hunter to help him with his son Buckley, uh, get into Georgetown. And you see it's clear, it's not one line, Pat. It's, hey, I want to do this. Oh, hey buddy, I will need, uh, Hunter back to, uh, Tucker. Hey buddy, I need Buckley's CV, Curriculum Vitae, you know, his resume. If you have one handy, thanks. Hunter, I can't thank you. Tucker responds, Hunter, I can't thank you enough for writing a letter to Georgetown on Buckley's behalf. So nice of you. I know it'll help. Hope you're great and we can get dinner soon.

• 31:26Speaker 05

  It's all, Pat, it's all complacency and he's trying to cover his butt. Cause even the FBI, they just had a released documents, uh, Operation Round River from December, 2019, that the FBI had damning information. Joe Biden, Hunter, Burisma, corruption in Ukraine. And the new, uh, uh, material that was released, that 14 informants were giving them all this information. And the FBI was like, no, no, no, no, this is Russian information, Pat. They're all covering their butts. We all know what Hunter is, like this, this whole parading around.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  My issue is not Hunter. I know who Hunter is. And by the way, I, I actually think he's funny as hell. He's good on social media. He's doing all that stuff. And he's trying to rebrand himself. I get that. I get why you would want to do that because he's still young. I don't know how old he is, probably in his fifties or early sixties. I don't know how old he is. So he's trying to get back in the limelight and he's been around the block. So he knows how to communicate. So I get that part, the dirt, the stuff that he did.

• 32:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  By the way, the report is that he sexually inappropriate behavior with his niece is what it is. Yeah. So, but to me it's more about what's Tucker's motive? What is he doing? Where does he want to be? Who is his, what's his loyalty to? What is he trying to figure out? That's the part I don't know. And, uh, uh, we will never know because that's only in the man's mind, what he's doing. All you can do is judge the person's behavior and see what it's leading to. And this right here is a, he dropped the ball on this because you can't have somebody like that come to you. Say you're a Republican, say you're a conservative and then change your position. Either leave the party and just say, I'm a Democrat. Leave the party and, you know, go do something else, you know, go in a, you know, maybe create a third party and give you a position,

• 33:04Speaker 01

  which is kind of doing right now, but, but some of this behavior is very weird.

• 33:08Speaker 06

  Yeah. The, the thing I'll say about this is I don't think we fully appreciate or genuinely understand how elite and insider Hunter Biden and Tucker Carlson are. I mean, Tucker's kind of parading out there with his tobacco and his flannels as he's an American everyman. I like to hunt and fish. Buddy, your, your dad was allegedly CIA. Hunter's dad has been in political landscape for 50 years.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  The big guy.

• 33:36Speaker 06

  10% for the big guy. You need a favor. To get your son into college, he didn't earn it. There's no merit there. You send a little email, show the email right here. Can you do me a favor? The favor's done. So to me, this, this whole masquerading as this populist, you're an elitist. You've been, you've been on the, the inside of everything for 30, 40, 50 years. And now you want to kind of play dumb. That's the issue that I have.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Tom, give me the final words. What are, what are you thinking? How are you processing this?

• 34:08Speaker 07

  So there's a couple of things that you can look at because you go to the concerns, motivation, assumptions, fears and ask. So what could be some motivation for Tucker? If there's a real documentary coming and Hunter is saying, by the way, Hunter is everywhere. There's a Wall Street Journal report, I think that said Hunter is everywhere. What's he up to? I think it was a journal yesterday. Um, and so everybody's asking that question. Well, guess what? If he's got a guy he owns money to, and that guy wants to film a documentary, then he needs footage and everything. That makes sense to me. How would Tucker?

• 34:39Speaker 07

  Figuring that it's like you gotta rewrite history. You gotta spin. AOC is spinning. Everybody's spinning on their positions. And I feel like Tucker's trying to spin in his prior position or trying to take something. And the internet's not letting him do it. People are putting things side by side. Hey, three years ago, you said this. Now you're saying this. You know, I'm not trying to be a critic here. I'm just looking at, looking at.

• 35:01Speaker 06

  Hunter or Tucker?

• 35:03Speaker 07

  On Tucker, you know, it's just like, okay, you know, you've gone one way, you got another. So it seems like you're trying to brand and position.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Too much flip flopping.

• 35:11Speaker 07

  And, and you're in there with, you appear to be a really good friend to hit.

• 35:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm not even joking. I'm being dead ass honest. I don't know if Tucker knows how the internet works. I'm being serious. When you're, when you're in front of a camera.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  No, he knows.

• 35:26Speaker 06

  No, no, hear me out. Hear me out. When you're in front of a camera.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 35:29Speaker 06

  And everything is, what's it called when every line is read to you?

• 35:32Speaker 07

  Teleprompter.

• 35:33Speaker 06

  Teleprompter. And all of a sudden you have to go on your own.

• 35:35Speaker 07

  And producer in your ear.

• 35:37Speaker 06

  Tucker forgets somehow that there's a before and after. How many videos have you seen of like, you said this six months ago, and then you said this? You said this two years ago, and then you said this. It's like, I don't know if you know how that works.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  No, the best.

• 35:49Speaker 07

  I was young and needed the money. It doesn't work.

• 35:52Speaker 06

  Exactly. And the last thing I'll say about Hunter, in Hollywood, there's two different types of rehabs. There's, oh, wow, I'm addicted to drugs. Shia LaBeouf, certain people, I gotta go to rehab. But then there's the whole industry of called reputation rehab, where they clean up your image. It's an image makeover. That's what Hunter's doing right now? I have no clue what Tucker's agenda is.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, all right, we'll see.

• 36:14Speaker 06

  But it ain't smart.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Let's move on. Let's move on. Go to the next story. Next one I want to talk to you about is this. So Sophie Cunningham gets hit with the foul in the head. They turn into flagrant two. Girl's kicked out. I don't know what the girl's name is. Donji, Donji. You know, whoever she is. Then the coach at the time comes out and says, I don't think she was doing it on purpose. The coach says that. And, and can you go back so I can say the girl's name properly? I don't want to screw it up because I know, no, go to the second X video you had. Right. What is the name?

• 36:42Speaker 05

  Dejanae.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Dejanae Carrington. Carrington. And this is the Dejanae. This is go back a little bit to show the previous, go all the way to the front. This is how she plays. Look.

• 36:50Speaker 07

  Damn, girl.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Obviously very sweet. She doesn't at all have any negative.

• 36:54Speaker 07

  White privilege.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  At all. She doesn't hit hard and you know, she's plays very clean basketball.

• 36:59Speaker 07

  Another white privilege.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  And watch what she does to the eyes. You see?

• 37:01Speaker 06

  Ooh, wow.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Goes through the eyes. Yeah. So you can pause it right there. So you can pause it right there. So then the coach says, no, I don't think she would ever do anything dirty. She would never do that. The internet go, goes after her. Then she's like, wait a minute. How dare you guys call me out and say the fact that, you know, I didn't even see the foul. I didn't see that. She says, I did not see the foul in her message. And there's a video of her. Go to the previous one that shows I did not see the foul. And I want you to hear this message. She's getting destroyed right now on the internet and well deserved. Watch this. Go back, play this clip. Watch this. She says, I couldn't see it.

• 37:38Speaker 08

  To say about the play in the last game, I didn't see the play in real time.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  That's her in the back.

• 37:41Speaker 06

  You sure about that? You sure about that?

• 37:45Speaker 08

  Straight to a press conference.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  So you can pause it right there.

• 37:47Speaker 06

  And that's her right there in the picture.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  That's her in the back. And that's the foul. What do you mean you can't see the foul?

• 37:51Speaker 07

  Unbelievable.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  And she says she got a better view than some of the referees got. And then this is how she comes and cries on TV about the criticism she got. How dare people on social media call her out? Go for it.

• 38:04Speaker 08

  Pride myself on is my relationships with players. For those who have anything to say about the play in the last game, I didn't see the play in real time. I went straight to a press conference. I thought the play got called right. Thankfully Sophie's okay.

• 38:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:18Speaker 08

  Was it egregious? Absolutely. When you have a chance to watch that over and over and over on replay, you can see that. I didn't have that in real time.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Oh, really? That's you behind.

• 38:28Speaker 07

  Unbelievable.

• 38:30Speaker 08

  I take personally.

• 38:32Speaker 07

  Sorry.

• 38:33Speaker 08

  Any suggestions that I don't a hundred percent always have my players back.

• 38:36Speaker 07

  Stop. Liar.

• 38:37Speaker 08

  I ride with them ten toes down all the time. All the time. They know that.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 38:43Speaker 08

  It's a shame that we can't have an opportunity to talk about what great basketball they're playing.

• 38:48Speaker 06

  Nobody cares about the basketball.

• 38:49Speaker 08

  Because they are being played.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Go all the way to the last 20 seconds. Okay.

• 38:53Speaker 08

  United, every day these women.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Watch.

• 38:56Speaker 08

  Put their on the line.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  And you didn't protect them.

• 38:59Speaker 08

  Every day. When they go low, we go high. Love will win.

• 39:04Speaker 07

  Love will win.

• 39:05Speaker 08

  Grace will win.

• 39:06Speaker 07

  Grace.

• 39:07Speaker 08

  Humility will win.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Look at her great. It's about to show up.

• 39:09Speaker 08

  Kindness.

• 39:10Speaker 07

  Kindness.

• 39:10Speaker 06

  Here comes kindness.

• 39:11Speaker 08

  I stand by them. I will always stand by them.

• 39:14Speaker 07

  Amen.

• 39:14Speaker 08

  Everybody else can go to hell.

• 39:15Speaker 07

  Oh, wait a minute.

• 39:17Speaker 06

  Kindness.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  So you know what? We need kindness.

• 39:20Speaker 07

  Grace.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  They go high, you go, you know.

• 39:22Speaker 07

  Grace. Sounds like a wholesome person and it goes, hey, by the way, go to hell. And then you leave.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  You know.

• 39:28Speaker 07

  Walking, talking contradiction.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Tom ran a poll and the poll was, do you view this as a sincere statement by Stephanie White, the coach?

• 39:34Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  But vote one of them. Just pick one of them. 77.4% said, no, 100% forced take. 75% forced take, 25% forced fake. And then you got, you know, yes, it's real. 4.3% Tom, your thoughts? When you hear a coach like this, who got called out by media by trying to BS and allegedly trying to protect her player Sophie, who got a flagrant two. All the referees agreed that was a flagrant two. The girl got kicked out. And then she says white privilege. And now she's coming out realizing she was wrong and she reacts this way. Your thoughts?

• 40:08Speaker 07

  I've seen a lot of apologies and you've seen apologies, Pat. We've been part of businesses where a CEO had to apologize to a board, to their employees. I don't need a piece of paper in front of me that I keep glancing down at. And to be performative with my emotion, I come in and I can make an apology. I know what I'm apologizing for. No one has to write it for me. They can remind me, remember, make sure you say the names of people so that they know you're sincere. Don't get emotional. Don't get over it. She comes in here in performative anger and I look at it this way. This is not an apology. This is justification, an excuse wrapped in emotion with performative outrage. That's what I think. And she's glancing at the paper there. You know, sincere apologies don't need a one pager.

• 40:53Speaker 07

  That was likely written by, I'll say likely, I don't know, likely written by the Fever PR flack and likely approved by the league. Every statement that goes out here, the league wants the uproar to stop, but they like the eyeballs. But this is going over the waterfall. And I look at it this way. If I was on the board, I would be saying to the CEO, you know what? I think this thing has gone over the waterfall here and I think we need to make a change. We need to make a change in leadership. And if I was the owner of the.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  You'd fire her.

• 41:24Speaker 07

  I would fire her.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  I would as well.

• 41:25Speaker 07

  I would say, I don't think that was.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  If you can't back up the players, what are we doing?

• 41:28Speaker 07

  That's exactly right. And to go to her and say, I appreciate you do the press conference. I appreciate you wanted to make a statement, but in the statement saying you don't see it there? And now we're getting slammed? You are wearing the Fever logo. You are sitting at a press conference in front of our logo and, and in front of Gainbridge and Lexus, our key sponsors are on the logo and the board behind you. They're our partners and you are caught red handed. You're standing in front of the people that have courtside front row seats, looking right into the play unobstructed. You can't do this, Stephanie. Stephanie, I'm really sorry. We're done here. That's what my board discussion.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  And, and I, I would, that was a question I was going to ask is if you guys own a company and she's the one. She's the same, buddy, doesn't stick up for her players. Sophie, when Caitlyn Clark was sitting there with her, covering her face, embarrassed that the words coming out of her mouth. And then think about this, you care about your players? You're willing to have men, because remember when they were asked about trans men playing in the frigging league? She was like, hey, I'm not a professional. I'm not a doctor. I wouldn't know how to respond to that. So you'd even be cool. You love women. They're doing so good to have dudes, because that's what they are. Dudes in the locker room with these girls. If, if it was her way. It's just, it's just again, every single day they keep giving us more stuff to talk about how bad.

• 42:50Speaker 07

  She's defending the league and now she goes out and slaughters herself.

• 42:54Speaker 05

  Slaughter, yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  And FYI, again, all of this is the WNBA's fault.

• 43:00Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  All of this.

• 43:01Speaker 07

  Amen.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  All the WNBA had to do is we test everyone for their DNA. For what you are. It's not a hard test to do. You can do it with a swab. You can do it with many different ways to find out what you are. And we are an organization for women only. But because the WNBA wants to play politics and try to win the woke and all this other stuff, they're getting, you know, destroyed right now and well deserved. My speculation, like I said the other day, is I believe the WNBA has a bigger problem. I believe the WNBA currently has multiple men that play in the league. That they're worried if that gets leaked, it'd be embarrassing. It'd be embarrassing. Speculation, this is not for a fact.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Speculation that either currently or in the past they had it, they don't want to bring it up. And they're worried if that does take place, how bad it'll be for them. Adam.

• 43:53Speaker 07

  I'm excited for the WNBA. I mean, we're living in an eyeball culture. Attention wins. They're getting the attention that they deserve. And you know how we say the future looks bright here? I believe the future looks bright for the WNBA. 2027 is going to be the best year in the WNBA history. Why? They already have two of the most brave, beautiful women that have declared for the WNBA draft. I'm talking about these beautiful courageous women, NS Freedom and Royce White. Beautiful, brave women who potentially, hopefully could get drafted by the WNBA. And tell me, who doesn't want to see something like that happen?

• 44:29Speaker 01

  We talked about this last week. It's not gonna happen. I want you to-

• 44:31Speaker 07

  Why won't it happen?

• 44:32Speaker 01

  I want you to specifically have anything to say about this coach or not. If not, we'll move on to the next story.

• 44:37Speaker 07

  Look, the coach is prioritizing the agenda-

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:41Speaker 07

  -over the player.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:42Speaker 07

  You think she cares about the player? Maybe. But trust that, she cares way more about this agenda. You know who I actually gotta give credit to, that I very rarely give credit to? Do you know Jason Whitlock? Remember this guy?

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 07

  And anytime there's an argument, I'm more on the Stephen A. side than Jason Whitlock. But I'll give him credit. He goes, guys, this isn't about the trans thing. He goes, you have to understand the foundation of the league, the foundation of the WNBA is built by black lesbian women. Period. And those black lesbian women-

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Why?

• 45:17Speaker 07

  -are not going to bend the knee to any of this, because they are fully, fully aligned with the trans agenda. So if each of the players, imagine you have, how many players on the team? 12 players on the team? And 11 out of the 12 players on the team are like 10 toes down on this trans thing.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 45:34Speaker 07

  They're not gonna deviate. So for every one Sophie Cunningham, you have 10 Dejeuner whatevers- -that are gonna rip your hair out-

• 45:43Speaker 01

  I got you.

• 45:44Speaker 07

  -or rip your face out-

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:45Speaker 07

  -for this agenda. That's the issue.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Alright, so let's talk about the next story. Fauci. Fauci's story comes out. Folks, this is gonna piss some of you guys off, and I don't blame you if you do get pissed off, okay? And these stories that come out, I'll read one of them to you. "Fauci texts about vax miscarriage risk don't line up with public statements."

• 46:07Speaker 07

  What?

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Yep. Fauci. "Text shows Fauci surgeon general, CDC chief worried about miscarriages after second COVID vaccine doses." Did you tell the world about it? Did you tell the American people about it? Did you say it before all of a sudden we got 71% plus of Americans that got the shot? So let me read it to you. "Text message from Dr. Anthony Fauci government phone shows he privately worried- -worried COVID-19 vaccination could cause miscarriage in pregnant woman while publicly insisting there were no red flags." In January 2021, Fauci told then CDC Director Rochelle Walensky and incoming Surgeon General Vivek Murthy-

• 46:49Speaker 01

  "-that the significant cytokinths, uh, storm from, uh, and fever after a second mRNA could- -dose could theoretically be associated with miscarriage in first trimester." Murthy raised his concern about the mRNA causing mutations in the developing fetus, then flagged the World Health Organization advising pregnant woman against the Moderna shot. Days later, Fauci publicly stressed multiple times there were no red flags for pregnant woman, eventually saying it's pretty clear they should be vaccinated. He never publicly mentioned the miscarriage possibility. Republican Senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Rand Paul of Kentucky released a text after Department of Health and Human Services turned over Fauci's phone,

• 47:31Speaker 01

  containing roughly 34,000 text messages, 500 voicemails, fewer than a dozen messages are public so far. NIH Director Jay Bhattacharya told Fox News, "The gap between private and public comments explains- -eroded trust. He didn't share those private thoughts with the American public." And Bill Ackman came out, and Vinnie, I'm gonna come to you right afterwards. Bill Ackman came out and tweeted this, and Vinnie, you shared this with me.

• 47:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, look at what he wrote.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  He said, "Neri and I," this is his wife, I believe, "had seven miscarriages, trying to have a second child during COVID, and then the time ran out."

• 48:07Speaker 07

  Oh my-

• 48:07Speaker 01

  WTF was he thinking? Vinnie?

• 48:11Speaker 05

  I mean, every single day, and I love that, I know other, I guess states are starting to get cases up against him. And if I hear one more person from Cuomo or anybody, anybody, trying to stick up for this guy, kiss my butt. I am sick and tired of all these people going, "He's 80, he's this, he's that." No, no. He knew all these problems, guys. He lied about everything, okay? Everything. And then you hear Bill Ackman and his wife, they're like, they tried- Can you, guys, not one time, not four, five, seven times trying to have a baby and it's over because of him, okay? And this is the video right here. Can you play this one, Connor?

• 48:53Speaker 05

  This is, this is him saying, "It's pretty clear that pregnant women should get vaccinated, okay?" He's in secret talking crap, saying, "Don't, you know, there's gonna be problems, there're gonna be miscarriages." But this is his attitude. Go ahead, Connor.

• 49:05Speaker 09

  However, when you look at the unvaccinated versus the vaccinated, there is absolutely no increased risk of that. So because of that, the CDC and the ACOG, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, who used to say it is okay for them, for pregnant women to get vaccinated, to change now and say, "It is recommended pregnant women get vaccinated." So it's really one of those things that's kind of not a close call. It really is pretty clear that pregnant women should get vaccinated.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  And they text, they exchanged a text before this video.

• 49:42Speaker 05

  Before, saying, "Don't listen. It's like, there's problems." So think about how many mothers out there that are probably even listening to this podcast, would have made a different decision if you knew what he was texting her, Walensky, in private texts, okay? Women were making decisions, Tom, about their pregnancies based on the information that he was doing. This trusted expert, Mr. Science, and I'm tired of another thing. And people are like, "Well, Trump what?" No, this is the bureaucracy. These are the people, the deep state people, the FBI agents that are underneath him when he came in, that were all there to destroy Trump and destroy, uh, America, the fabric of our society? These are them. And then Jeffrey Tucker, uh, writer, journalist, he was the biggest guy against everything that he said about lockdowns and everything else.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  He just said that top FDA and NIH quietly officials admitted the real reason for everything that he did, the lockdowns, the masking, the social distancing, was to delay the onset of natural immunity so they could push the freaking jab. Think, Tom, think about that, okay? Keeping us from natural immunity, because as he said in the past, if you have the flu, you don't gotta get vaccinated, because the best thing to fight it is having the flu. So he knows that. He knows what this was, but he kept everybody away on purpose. Everybody away, so they could be like, "Hey, guys, we gotta jab everybody." It's unbelievable, Tom. This guy, that's why there needs to be a constitutional amendment. This preemptive pardon nonsense is ridiculous.

• 51:11Speaker 05

  This guy belongs in prison, he belongs to go on trial, and if found guilty for what he's done, crimes against humanity, he has to get the freaking death penalty. End of story. Or else this guy's gonna, another one of these guys is gonna happen again, Tom.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Tom, thoughts?

• 51:25Speaker 07

  It doesn't surprise me that more and more hard evidence is coming out that Anthony Fauci was a complete hypocrite. He's a hypocrite that became hippo-rich. And what happened here is he was protecting the pharma industry that was making billions on this stuff. Billions and billions a month. Go look at the numbers. It was billions a month. So, number one. So this doesn't surprise me, the hypocrisy. The second part of it is, America should take a look and just look at the level of harm that has happened and that have our legislators and our elected officials do the right thing here. I mean, on, uh, there's a Kausche with a million and a half, Pat, that says,

• 52:08Speaker 07

  "Who will be charged with a federal crime this year?" Anthony Fauci is at 54%. Federal crime would be really hard to get, but there's people that have put millions on Kausche up, saying, "They think there's a 54% chance," and they're willing to put their own hard-earned money down there on a prediction. Look at this, that they think he's gonna be charged, yet he's carrying this, uh, this, this long-term pardon, dating back to-

• 52:32Speaker 05

  2014.

• 52:33Speaker 07

  2014. And that's what's shocking to me. What's shocking to me is that, is the level of silence of everybody but the Rand Pauls and the people that were with him in that hearing. That is what's shocking to me, is the rest of the people in elected office who cannot look back and say, "We got this call wrong, the evidence is here." By the way, you have seen, and I can show you books that have been written, where I'll be a district attorney, you'll be the public defender. We're talking to each other. A guy gets arrested, Vinnie, and I say, "Hey, Vinnie, judge is gonna assign you this guy, this kid with the gun charge, he's been charged, uh, and, um, I'm charging him because I got the evidence here, but he's got nobody.

• 53:16Speaker 07

  You're gonna be the public defender. What else you got? This is all I got." And we will collaborate and see evidence come forward and go, "Wait a minute, our minds change here. We need to drop the charge." And so it goes back and forth. So there is no, and many of these people that are elected officials are lawyers by trade. There is no sin to come forward and say, "We have now seen more, this is wrong, this shouldn't have been a pardon, we really need to dive into this, and 18 years old, legal age, or 88, he needs to face the music, and right now just sitting there taking the fifth?" This just shows just how bad it is, but the silence of everybody that sat at that hearing around Rand Paul, to me, is a greater crime today.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 54:01Speaker 07

  Because you have an opportunity to reassure America that next time-

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 07

  -when, when Congress is voting on what?

• 54:11Speaker 05

  The lockdowns and everything?

• 54:12Speaker 07

  No, no. Before he ever got the pardon, what did they give the pharma industry?

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Immunity.

• 54:17Speaker 07

  In near-

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Till 2072 or whatever the year is.

• 54:20Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, till 2074, whatever the year was.

• 54:23Speaker 05

  And think about the lie, Pat. Think about the lying. Tom, you were, you got COVID. You got COVID, Tom, okay? And it was really, really bad, right?

• 54:31Speaker 07

  It was a bad, it was a real disease and it was really bad.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  And imagine if all the lies, Tom, if you were on ivermectin or hydrochloroquine and wasn't, you weren't scared of taking-

• 54:40Speaker 07

  They wouldn't give me ivermectin or hydrochloroquine. My own doctor was in favor of it, but the hospital that I was at said that their corporate policy was that that was not a viable treatment and not an allowed treatment because they didn't want the liability of treating with it.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:56Speaker 07

  I went through it personally.

• 54:58Speaker 06

  Well, imagine you're the everyday American back during COVID. You don't know what to make of any of this. You're scared, you're confused, you're unsure. And the one person that you're supposed to rely on, the one person who you said, all right, this guy actually knows what he's doing, was Dr. Anthony Fauci. And wow, did he let us down. You know, the, the famous JFK quote, ask not what your country can do for you, what can you do for your country? He probably should have read that a lot more because it seems like he was way more concerned with his own image and being on the cover of magazines and being the, what? Hottest guy alive. So there's, there's how many deadly sins? Seven deadly sins.

• 55:41Speaker 06

  For me, there's pride. You know what's above pride? There's hubris, excessive pride. I'm the best. Nobody's better than me. Look at me. I deserve everything. I'm important. I'm famous. And if you told me at the time that that was, was going through Fauci's mind, I go, that's crazy. Who thinks like that in the middle of a pandemic when the whole country and the whole world is relying on you? But sadly enough, that's what his mindset was. That's crazy. And last thing, if you're Bill Ackman, or if you're any person that's trying to start a family, if you have a miscarriage, oh man, that's tough. You have seven miscarriages and now you no longer have a second child or God forbid even a first child.

• 56:23Speaker 06

  Because Dr. Anthony Fauci recommended something that turned out not to be true? Oui. There's a special place in health-

• 56:31Speaker 01

  And by the way, thank God Bill Ackman is a billionaire and famous. How about the other people that are not? How about the regular day-to-day person that if they post this, they get two likes? One comment and, you know, 17 comments and nobody pays attention to it. There were so many people that went through this and it was so painful.

• 56:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  And God forbid, if you were to say, I think it's because of vaccine. No, you can't say, it would never do it. It would never do it. Uh, the Buffalo Bills player passed out and all these athletes are probably, it's got nothing to do with it. You can, you cannot at all. I'm like, dude, relax. Maybe it does. And that reaction is what pissed everybody off to say, how do you know? How do you know? And so that is why to me, when we were going through the 2024, one of the top five things that was very important to me is accountability for Fauci. Because if you want to increase the trust in the FBI, in the CIA, in the US government,

• 57:24Speaker 01

  the way you increase the trust is by there actually being accountability for when the government gets it wrong.

• 57:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  If you don't do that, it's going to keep declining and declining and declining regardless of whether the president is Republican or Democrat. Let me get to the next story. Brad Pitt, one of my favorite actors of all time. God knows how many times I've seen Mitchell Black. I watched Billy Beane Moneyball two days ago and I've seen that movie 40 times. I think, I think honestly, Brad Pitt is so recognized for being the sexiest, best-looking guy that people forget how great of an actor the guy is. Like literally, go back to Legends of the Fall, go back to A River Runs Through It, go back to so many fricking things. Troy, we watched Troy a few weeks ago.

• 58:02Speaker 06

  Fight Club.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Guy's phenomenal. Story comes out about Brad Pitt drinking again, okay? Story comes out about Brad Pitt drinking again. I want to go to the page, page 11. And exclusive inside Brad Pitt's very personal decision to start drinking again after seven years of sobriety. His life changed. And so Brad Pitt drinking again. Why would he start drinking? There was a couple of comments about this that I read in a few different stories. But, uh, after seven years, Brad Pitt is drinking again and says he knows his limits. This is a very personal decision that's unique to Brad and his own circumstances. A source told Page Six, over time, his life changed and he reached a point where he felt comfortable making a different choice. For him, that means moderation and being very conscious of his limits.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  The decision doesn't take away from the years he spent sober. The 60-year-old Oscar winner revealed the change in Esquire interview published Monday. I was sober for seven years. Then I got back off the wagon, he explained. And he now drinks in a more restrained manner. I got overconfident a couple of times when, yep, nope, not good for me. He can have a few drinks, but not a lot. I have a, to be a professional about it. Pitt quit drinking after his 2016 split with Angelina Jolie. Telling Dax Shepard's Armchair Expert podcast last year that his first AA meeting found him pretty much on my knees. The couple's eight-year divorce battle ended in December of 2024, which by the way, I think a fourth kid just recently changed her last name to Jolie and dropped Pitt.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Imagine as a father, how painful that is to continue to happen. I think one of the things he said is, the reason why I started drinking again was because of personal reasons, personal life, personal things that he's experiencing. And then the story comes out with Conor McGregor ends alcohol sobriety in support of Brad Pitt. This is another story that just was dropped. Uh, there are two empty seats on the wagon. Conor McGregor got wind of Brad Pitt's decision to consume alcohol again and said he'll drink to that. The former UFC champion who opened up a sobriety, uh, leading up to last six months, Max Holloway's fight, announced his audible Tuesday saying fellow actor inspired him to have a couple of pints of Fort Stout, the brand he launched in 2020.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  I've decided to have a few pints of the world's creamiest. So whether this is a marketing stunt or not, it is not for Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt is officially back drinking, according to the story. So Vinnie, for somebody, you haven't had a lick of alcohol for a little over three years. May, three years and three months, I think.

• 1:00:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  39 months, give or take. So you haven't had any of it, June, July, you're probably-

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  May 31st.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  May 31st of 2023 is the last time you had alcohol. When you hear this story with Brad Pitt and you've been disciplined for all this time and your life has changed completely, how do you process this story?

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Um, I, I mean, I, I can only imagine that the relationship with Angelina, you know, because he was with Jennifer Aniston, married at the time, this happened. Life is, you know, life is not doing well, you know, AA meetings and all that stuff. He's down on his knees and then you get over it, Pat, and then everything's going, uh, because once you're an alcoholic, like, once you have that in you, like, Pat, my father, his father, grandfather, it's in us, that addictive personality, it's going to be in you. So when people go, oh, I'm not an alcoholic anymore. No, no, you're always going to be an alcoholic, so to speak. But there's different types of alcoholics. There's the ones that have to wake up and drink. That's just, you have to because it's in your body or something's going to happen. Then there's just the like, you know, casual, ah, I'm going to have one, ah, I know how to control, uh, uh, uh,

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Which one do you think he is right now?

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  I think, well, depending on how this is going to happen, I'm, I'm really hoping it's just going to be like a wine or, you know, something with dinner or a meal. But the, the sounds of it, like, listen, it sounds like he's like, I'm, I'm off the wagon. Listen, I don't, I don't think, when you have problems like that and you're going through it, that poisoning yourself is the answer and it's never going to be the answer. When people, that's just a crutch that's going to keep happening. And who knows? Because listen, once that, that ball starts rolling down the hill, Pat, you're not going to be able to control how fast it's going to go. Saying it, and I hope to God it stays just wine. I don't know what he, what, what he drinks or how big of a drinker he is. But I know for a fact, like, there's no, there's nothing, there's no problem that's going to, like, want me to go back to that because I know what the outcome is going to be.

• 1:02:20Speaker 05

  And a lot of people, I've heard this so many times, I can control it. I'm better than it. I have a grasp. It's not going to be what you think. And those people to me are the ones that the majority of the time that I know from my experience fall off, uh, the hardest. And I feel for Pat, I'm with you. One of the best, one of the best at it. I can only, can you imagine? And mind you, some of these kids he adopted from like Cambodia. Like, can you imagine, you're adopting these people, you're getting them out of freaking poverty and now you want to change your last name as if I didn't have nothing to do with you? Like, you would have still been in, in frigging Cambodia. You know what I mean? So, you know, I can only imagine what he's going through, but my, my, my prayers are going to be for him and I hope it doesn't get as bad as it's supposed to be.

• 1:02:59Speaker 07

  I have three quick thoughts. Number one, I cannot imagine what it would be to have your children being manipulated to taking the identity away from them in the form of your name. After all the things you did for them and you've adopted them and everything like that. Even, none of us are perfect people. None of us are perfect about it. So number one, I cannot imagine what that's like, the stress. Number two, I could see how it might take you back. Uh, I don't know how he looked at himself as a full alcoholic or a problem drinker. Or he was, uh, trying to go to AA to counter the claims that you drink too much. And maybe he wasn't a categorized alcoholic. I don't know that. But he was very, very open about it.

• 1:03:41Speaker 07

  And I, and my third point is, when you're under great stress, you gotta be careful. You dance with the devil, he bites hard. And I hope that the stress of going through point one with his kids is not leading him to make a compromise point two that leads to other problems.

• 1:03:58Speaker 07

  When you, when you have great stress, I believe you need to get to great friends and the foundation of a great faith. And I think that needs to be your foundation through it. You shouldn't turn to, um, I think self-medication of any form. But I applaud the fact that he's out here being open about it so that people can see into, say, wow, you know, maybe, you know, if a famous person is having this, maybe, you know, I need to reflect on things I'm doing and maybe this, I don't need to do this. So I, I think him being public about it is good, hopefully helping people cope and not giving people green lights to drink. But I can, I, I can see the trigger he's talking about.

• 1:04:36Speaker 06

  Uh, life is all about moderation. If you're able to moderate your drinking, I don't have a problem with somebody having a couple of glasses of wine. What I've realized in my many, many years of partying in South Beach and going out, and I've been to enough events and parties to, for 10 lifetimes, is how much do you want to turn up the dial? What I've, what I've recognized is like one time Vinnie came out with me, he went volume 10. And I'm like, slow down, buddy. You know, the way I live my life, and this is me about moderation-

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  You're going to publicly tell the time he was dancing on the stage and taking his clothes off and the girls and all that stuff? Why would you put his business-

• 1:05:14Speaker 06

  Pat goes, I would My shirt is slowly Wait, wait, take it off, baby. They cut to me and I'm just like, yeah. Put it this way, the world is a lot better with Vinnie not drinking and the world is a lot safer Amen. Without him not driving. Amen. So what I would say is if you're gonna have a few drinks, I look at things as a volume dial. I like to keep my volume at a three to a four, have a couple of drinks, that's fine, cuz I can do that. I'm a moderate type person, I moderate my, my activities. Some people, when they go, they go.

• 1:05:41Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:05:42Speaker 06

  And, and, and the reality is, he said, "I can have a more restrained manner of drinking. I'll just make one suggestion to the Brad Pitts of the world, to the Tony Romas of the world, the Tiger Woods of the world. Don't drink and drive. Just do that. I don't care how messed up you get. Do not get behind the wheel of a car and turn into Wolf of Wall Street, Leonardo DiCaprio, trying to get home on Quaaludes, bro."

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  But, but, but here's the thing, though. He had a major problem with drinking. I get where you're coming from, but if you had to go to AA, Adam, AA, like that, this is, it's a serious drinking problem. It's not like he was like, yeah, I'm gonna stop. If you were that guy, and now you're like, well, I'm back, it's like, the comparison, Pat's like, you can't do that. You can't.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  I, I, uh, look, does he give you the vibes that he has real close friends that love him?

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  Brad Pitt, yeah.

• 1:06:32Speaker 06

  I would think so.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  He gives me that vibe.

• 1:06:33Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Does he give you the vibe that he's the guy you love? You're like, man, that's my boy, that's the guy I'm rooting for.

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  Picks up the phone all the time, yeah.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  He gives, he gives me that vibe, so I, I, I don't know, it, it, you know, in life, at this phase, you know, a guy like him, he has a handful of people that will tell him exactly what he needs to hear and who he respects. I hope those people are giving him the right feedback, because you're gonna have some people that are gonna give the feedback that he gave, which is what, don't worry about it, moderation, all this other stuff. Not everybody has the moderation DNA.

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  Some people have the hardcore obsessive, hypomanic, super, you know, like, hey, you know, we go

• 1:07:09Speaker 06

  Like, if you're gonna go, you're gonna go.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't, you can't, you can't do that, you can't mess with it, so. I, I, I don't like it. I don't like the story. I actually didn't wanna read the story, because, uh, I don't, I don't, uh, uh, like hearing stories like this. I don't like hearing a guy like him going through, uh, a, a phase like this. I think what could get this to settle down as a good girl, now, how you find that nowadays in Hollywood and knowing everybody wants you because of your looks and sexy and all this stuff, that, it's gonna be very hard, but, uh, one, to, to all the young people that are watching this, or fathers, mothers, men, talk to your kids about who they marry.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  And, and don't talk to them about it when they start dating somebody. Talk to them about it way in advance, before they start dating. When they're 13 years old, when they're 12 years, I'm talking about my daughter's boyfriend, and she's 10 years old, and she doesn't have one. I'm talking to her of what's gonna happen when men start flirting with her and how to pick them good. And, and what happens, and, and we need to have those conversations early, because one bad girl can destroy your life. To me, Angelina Jolie, when I watched the movie Original Sin, I don't think she was acting. I think that was her. I, I watched the movie, I'm like, oh my God, she destroyed Antonio Banderas's life. Have any one of you guys seen this movie or no?

• 1:08:34Speaker 06

  Back in the day, like 20 years ago.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  Do you remember the movie or no, Vinnie?

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Original Sin.

• 1:08:39Speaker 05

  Freaking ridiculous.

• 1:08:40Speaker 06

  Very good.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  Ridiculous.

• 1:08:42Speaker 06

  She was the most gorgeous woman.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was. She was on that list of gorgeous women, but that's, that's, uh, that's a part of it.

• 1:08:46Speaker 06

  It's another one of those.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  It's a part of it, so, you know, you, you know who could potentially help Brad Pitt out? Jennifer Aniston. And I don't know if she drinks or not, if she, if she's living a better life, Ian. I don't know, I mean, you know, that was, that was the, sometimes it's like a different kind of a love, you know, that you have, that maybe can make that

• 1:09:03Speaker 06

  Can't go backwards like that. Look what happened to Ben Affleck.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  I'm not in the business of what they like personally. I'm not, I'm just saying, like, whatever they wanna do, they can do, but let me get to the next story. Next story I'm gonna get into is the following. AOC

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Dingo.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  Is officially dominating Newsom. You know why? Cuz Newsom looked around and said, hey, let me try this getting to the left of center and bring Charlie Kirk on and Steve Bannon on and Bill, and these conservatives, Hannity's on, and maybe that's gonna get me to be seen more moderate. He was headed in the right direction. That was the strategy for him to be a president, but he doubted himself, and he said, no, let me be a socialist. Newsom said, let me be a socialist. I'm gonna join because AOC is my leader. That's what Newsom said privately and publicly. When he said, I think we need to make wealth tax, not just a state thing.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Damn it, we need to bring you to every American, an American, because the top 10% of Americans, da, da, da, da, da, own 90% of all the stocks. He just said that. The moment he said that, I said, what a big mistake.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Officially, your leader is AOC, and I said this a year and a half ago. When you know you're watching this, when you're watching a podcast, and Tom was fighting me hard, throwing pins at me.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  I said, AOC is going to be the one for Democrats. You're out of your mind. I would get my next, you're crazy. You don't know what you're talking about. You've lost it. What happened to good, good old days where PBD was a ba, ba, ba, ba, ba? I said, I didn't tell you she's gonna be president, I just said she's gonna be the candidate for the left. She is. And you have to know the DSA's out there, and you know what happens?

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  Kelsey comes out, and you know what Kelsey does? You, you, you gotta, listen, nowadays, you gotta trust where people are putting their monies at. Not telling you it's 100%, you know, where you go by it and this is it. But this is officially the first time. You see the blue, can you zoom in a little bit so people know how competition works? See the blue? Look it, go to the peak of the difference between blue and green. At one point, it was 37%

• 1:11:08Speaker 06

  About a year ago.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  To 9.6, and that's less than a year ago, Vinnie, that's, that's 10 months ago.

• 1:11:13Speaker 05

  Gavvy.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  And all, nine months ago, all of a sudden, boom, AOC takes over, and AOC is officially first place ahead of Newsom, because Newsom became a socialist. What a sweetheart you are.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  And he's not, by the way, deep down inside, he's not a socialist.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  Of course he's not.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Deep down inside, he's a center-left that can get along behind closed, you know who he is? You know how Hunter Biden and Tucker talk behind closed, or say, can you give me something like that?

• 1:11:37Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  That's who Newsom is.

• 1:11:38Speaker 05

  100%.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Newsom probably hung out with Republicans and hanging out, his wife was, you know, he, he, he used to be married to, uh, uh, what's her name?

• 1:11:46Speaker 06

  Kim Gylfey.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  Kim, Kim Gylfey, he was married to, a beautiful, best-looking couple. So he hung out, and then all of a sudden, he's like, hey, one advisor or one dumb thought, maybe I gotta be a socialist. So Tom, you follow this stuff very closely. By the way, I take a lot of shots, and I'm having fun with Tom. If you guys didn't see the video, maybe we'll show the video to you guys of what happened yesterday, CEO and president. Apparently, a lot of people liked it. But I will tell you, behind closed doors, you guys don't hear this, I hear this. The people who do polls privately talk about, the, the one name that they trust a lot nowadays with polls and, and making predictions, is Tom Ellsworth.

• 1:12:25Speaker 06

  That's where I go.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  And a lot of people see, now, he got it wrong with AOC, but aside from

• 1:12:30Speaker 05

  That's fine, that's fine, he's not, he's not Jesus Christ.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  For the most part, you gotta pay attention to what he's gotta say.

• 1:12:34Speaker 06

  My guy, Tom.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  Tom, how do you process this?

• 1:12:36Speaker 07

  So I, I process it, you know, I'll give bullet points on what you were talking about. What Pat was talking about, and we have the image right here, we don't need to play it, but you see the image on screen? That was Gavin Newsom, I believe that was June 26th, puts on a suit and tie, sitting there in the office, you know, books behind him, a different look for Gavin Newsom, and he took more than one step toward DSA and the socialist side. Why? Because he saw what was happening to him in prediction markets and in polling. He wasn't surging out to be the de facto presumed candidate. So he was doing that while AOC was keeping an even keel. Did she run away from DSA? She did not. But did she kinda just lean toward establishment and try to level it out?

• 1:13:19Speaker 07

  And obviously was getting coaching, and suddenly her answers were a little less, uh, you know, different that we were used to? Yes, that started happening. And then, Pat, last week, what did the Democrat establishment do in the last 30 days with Hong? That was like

• 1:13:36Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:13:36Speaker 07

  Get away from us, get away from us, and they ran to the establishment candidate, and he won by a whisker, right? By a whisker at night.

• 1:13:44Speaker 05

  Point something.

• 1:13:45Speaker 07

  By point something, right? That's exactly what happened. So what is going on right now is Gavin Newsom chose wrong to lean toward DSA a little bit, because he wanted to make it like, let's make a big

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  He flinched.

• 1:13:59Speaker 07

  He flinched.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  He made a mistake.

• 1:14:00Speaker 07

  He flinched, and

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Big mistake.

• 1:14:02Speaker 07

  And AOC was getting coached, and she then this week says, well, maybe woke 1.0 was a little crazy. She's stepping back from where she was with the new green team and everything that she went with that. No, the squad and the new green energy, right, new green deal. All of that, she's leaning back toward the establishment. Why? At the same time, the establishment is going against Hong. And now what you have, traditional polling, there's gonna be a reckoning, Pat, there's gonna be a reckoning. Traditional polling on a national basis, because of her existing presidential, um, you know, uh, machine that is still in place but on idle,

• 1:14:42Speaker 07

  is you still have Dems, Rasmussen ran, 2,000 Democrats, likely voters, and they span states? They still have Harris at 30 points, Newsom at 13, and AOC at 10. But the prediction markets are running ahead of it, and I think what's about to happen, Pat, we're having a reconciliation of the old polling and increasingly difficult times they have getting ahold of people, clipboards in front of Walmart, you know what I mean, Pat? It's increasingly hard to get good polls that way, and the prediction markets are here, and I believe, right now, we have seen the tipping point. Will it stay tipped?

• 1:15:23Speaker 07

  But I, I call AOC the Democrat candidate frontrunner by a whisker right now. We'll see how it shakes out, but that's No, no, no, I'm saying is numerically, numerically.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  This is the, okay.

• 1:15:37Speaker 07

  No, I'm saying this despite the other regular polls out, because Kamala Harris went out

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  Finally converted Tom.

• 1:15:43Speaker 07

  Yes, but Pat, yesterday

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Did I convert you or no?

• 1:15:45Speaker 07

  You

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  Be honest.

• 1:15:47Speaker 06

  You led with this thing and I followed that and I think you did influence me.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:52Speaker 06

  Absolutely. I can't say no.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  But let me, let me, so I want to ask you a question, Tom. This is the part that Tom is very good at. I want to show you guys something here. I want to ask you guys four things and I want you to score it, 0 to 10.

• 1:16:03Speaker 06

  I'm not messing around.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  I know you're not, Tom. And this is, we, like, people don't know how we are behind closed doors. Like, we're like this 24/7. I'm going to ask you, I want you to score them, okay? Each of these things, 0 to 10.

• 1:16:13Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  How much do you think the market respects AOC versus Newsom? 0 to 10.

• 1:16:18Speaker 06

  So we're

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  So say like, 9, 8.

• 1:16:20Speaker 06

  Which market? Establishment Democrats who are gonna

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  The Democrats. Just go to the majority of the Democrats. Don't just put her following.

• 1:16:26Speaker 06

  So just Democrats.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  Just, just put the market, everybody.

• 1:16:29Speaker 06

  Everybody.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Everybody.

• 1:16:30Speaker 06

  Respects her?

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  Respect.

• 1:16:32Speaker 06

  And we're judging AOC versus

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Versus Newsom only, yes. 0 to 10. Go.

• 1:16:36Speaker 05

  Versus Newsom?

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:37Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, got it.

• 1:16:38Speaker 06

  So everybody.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:40Speaker 06

  Got it, okay.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Okay, go. Respect. AOC versus Newsom. What is yours? What do you give respect to AOC, 0 to 10?

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  Over Newsom, 8.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  So AOC you give 8, what do you give Newsom?

• 1:16:49Speaker 06

  5. I'm 8/5, that the Democrat voter

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  So what's your, what's your Newsom? So Tom is 8/5, what are you?

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  8/5.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  Okay, you're also 8/5. Where are you?

• 1:16:56Speaker 06

  I'm 7/4. AOC, 7.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Perfect. Watch how this is gonna go. Likability, 0 to 10. AOC, Newsom. Likability.

• 1:17:07Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  You're gonna see my score on this. Likability.

• 1:17:10Speaker 05

  Likability?

• 1:17:10Speaker 06

  9/3.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  9, 9 Tom, 3 Newsom. I agree.

• 1:17:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  Newsom has become not likable. He effed up.

• 1:17:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Royally.

• 1:17:21Speaker 05

  And his resume's not

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  What do you give, what do you give?

• 1:17:23Speaker 05

  I give 9/2.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  9/2?

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  He's a, he's a serpent to me.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  What do you give him?

• 1:17:27Speaker 06

  7/3.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Okay, so stay 7/3. Fair. Fear. Who do you think is feared? Like, oh shit, man, I better not cross her. I better not cross him because he or she and their following is capable of coming after me and they're strong, loyal, devout. Fear. What do you score?

• 1:17:42Speaker 05

  8/8 and another 3.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:17:44Speaker 05

  Because she has a following.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  You're right. What do you put it, Tom?

• 1:17:47Speaker 06

  I put it at 9/2. Chuck Schumer's people have leaked that he is scared shitless about her running for the Senate.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  Gimme, gimme Adam.

• 1:17:55Speaker 06

  I'm at 7/2.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Perfect. You're staying the same place. Now, talent. The ability to debate. Talent.

• 1:18:01Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  That's it. This changes now. Talent, ability to debate. Go ahead.

• 1:18:05Speaker 05

  5/8.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Okay, so

• 1:18:07Speaker 05

  He's okay, but she can't, she doesn't have it. It might even be lower.

• 1:18:12Speaker 06

  8/4, but her 4 is improving.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Oh, you, oh, no, no. 4/8, Tom.

• 1:18:16Speaker 05

  So 4/8, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Adam, go ahead.

• 1:18:19Speaker 06

  Newsom, uh, 11.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:18:21Speaker 06

  Because he's just

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:18:23Speaker 06

  The most talented, lying politician ever.

• 1:18:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Speaker 06

  And she's a 5.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Okay. And then last but not least, loyal following, influence, social media, all of that. AOC, Newsom.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  8/8, AOC. She has him, ride or die. And to me, that sounding with him, 3.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  Okay. Where do you go with, Tom? Where do you go?

• 1:18:43Speaker 06

  No, we're talking social media. I'm 10/2.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Okay. And then Adam?

• 1:18:47Speaker 05

  I have AOC at 8. There's some people that disagree with her. And I have Newsom as a 1. I don't know anybody that goes, that's my guy.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  So to, to, help me understand.

• 1:18:55Speaker 06

  Do the score. You want to add him up?

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  No, no, it's not, guys, it's a

• 1:18:57Speaker 06

  She blew, it's a runaway.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  It's, the only thing, the only thing, if, if she was my girl, my candidate.

• 1:19:04Speaker 06

  She's available these days. I'm just saying for the single gentleman out there.

• 1:19:06Speaker 01

  I'm talking about, I know she is, and sure, and, and they had a breakup and somebody asked her questions yesterday. She says, I really don't like to address any personal matters of my life.

• 1:19:14Speaker 06

  Oh, right. But let me jab myself

• 1:19:15Speaker 05

  You were jabbing yourself on IV.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  The hormone.

• 1:19:17Speaker 06

  And freeze my legs.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  And again, she's used, she's used to getting hit by, this was it, yesterday. Play 10 seconds of it. It's not a long video.

• 1:19:25Speaker 10

  Are you and Riley Roberts still together?

• 1:19:27Speaker 11

  I don't comment on my private life. Thank you.

• 1:19:30Speaker 10

  Your mother wants, said she loves Riley and wants to see you guys get married. Is she gonna get her wish?

• 1:19:37Speaker 11

  Again, I, I don't comment on my private life.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Okay, you, you can pause it right there.

• 1:19:42Speaker 10

  Is there anything

• 1:19:42Speaker 05

  I'll stab myself in the belly.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  The number one thing she needs to do is go higher, the best of the best. Historian from the right. She needs a historian that's the right to help her out. She needs to bring the debate person from the right, not the left. She needs to bring people that she is sitting there coaching her, how to debate, how to have these positions, how to, she's gonna have to go through all of this.

• 1:20:09Speaker 05

  And it needs to happen yesterday.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  And if it, if it, if that, if that part, that will be the only reason why she doesn't end up winning. It won't be because of all the other stuff. It will be only because of debate. If she's able to show up in the two primaries, she's the candidate. So she needs the coaching. I don't know who's doing the coaching on the backend tour. Uh, uh, that kind of came out the wrong way. I don't know who was like coaching her properly to get her ready on, on the political stuff. But, uh, you know, I think if she has that, I think she's got a shot and she, she's formidable.

• 1:20:39Speaker 06

  Do you think Gavin He has a better organization raising money, but that's something to be corrected once they see the momentum.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  You have to be likable, Tom. You have to be likable.

• 1:20:47Speaker 05

  You don't got that.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  You know, you have to, when Ben and I were having this conversation the other day, he said something. He says, people respect me, but people love, you know, Tucker. He's got a, he's got a like following. You have to, you, like, we put a very low score on likability, but in these types of moments, you need to have a very high score of likability. You gotta be likable. You gotta be likable. So, yeah, I, I think this is gonna be an interesting situation between the two of them. Kelsey Mark is already, you know, saying what's gonna be happening. The market's putting the wager behind AOC. And I've been saying this for a good 18 months now that she's gonna be the Democratic candidate.

• 1:21:20Speaker 06

  Gavin peaked too early? Do you think there's time for him to come back?

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  I think he had zero strategy. He did exactly what John Kerry did. He did exactly what John Kerry did. We, honestly, you know what we should do? We should send, um, we should send Newsom some Future Looks Bright flip flops.

• 1:21:38Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  I think he will like it. If we send him some Future Looks Bright flip flops to remind them, yeah, we, we have Future Looks Bright flip flop because and by the way, and I'm talking about some high quality flip flops that we have. That's his future right on it. Yeah. Good ones. If you, if you want to go find it, Connor, so people can see it. We have some high, high quality flip flop.

• 1:21:55Speaker 05

  Send them to him.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  But that's exactly what this guy, go to search, just go to search. You don't need to make it hard for yourself. Yeah. That's exactly what this guy did to himself. That's what he did.

• 1:22:06Speaker 05

  Watch LeBron James picture come up.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  He flip flopped. And he kept going and going and going. Instead of telling us, what do you stand for? He couldn't do it.

• 1:22:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  He couldn't do it. Go a little bit lower, that one right there. Click on that. That one sells out. Every time it comes out, middle one, the middle one. Look at that one.

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  Those are sick.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  That goes instantly, every time. Surprised we have them right now. These slides goes like this.

• 1:22:27Speaker 05

  Those are gel, those are gel on the

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  The gel on the bottom is the most comfortable flip flops. Newsom, you gotta wear these because it shows you love America and it shows that you believe the future looks bright. But he messed up. And by the way, some people are gonna say, it's his cam's fault. No. You have to stand tall. You have to sometimes make the decision that is not what everybody, not the leading indicator. You gotta be the leading indicator that gives a controversial position and everybody says, oh, he's out of his mind, he's crazy. No, you followed, trailed AOC. Massive, massive mistake. Massive mistake that they made.

• 1:23:04Speaker 05

  And she's, and she's getting, you want to talk about the breakup?

• 1:23:07Speaker 06

  Went the wrong way. He had the Hillary playbook. Attack Trump, attack Trump. Trump's not on the ballot in 2028. And he mishandled his own scandals. Hillary mishandled her, her own scandals, the server and everything that went with it. He went into so old school

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  But can I tell you something, Tom?

• 1:23:21Speaker 06

  And didn't make the decision.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  But let me tell you why I think Hillary did a better job than Newsom. Because Hillary at least went against Bernie. Hillary at least knew, I'm not a socialist.

• 1:23:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  Hillary at least put her foot down and said, this is what I stand for.

• 1:23:34Speaker 06

  And she never went toward Bernie to get his voters.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  Hillary more, but by the way, you know what Hillary's problem was?

• 1:23:38Speaker 05

  CIA

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  What do you think was Hillary's biggest problem?

• 1:23:40Speaker 05

  Or trust her.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  What do, what do you think her score is on likability?

• 1:23:43Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  The lowest likability score of all time is Hillary.

• 1:23:45Speaker 06

  People are scared of her.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:47Speaker 06

  People are scared.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  By the way, no politics. Having dinner with AOC, you think you would actually enjoy the dinner?

• 1:23:51Speaker 05

  Absolutely. We'd laugh and act like New Yorkers.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  You think dinner with Hillary Clinton you would enjoy? Imagine a Casa Di Angelo. Can we have some bison?

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Is that what you're gonna order? Go ahead.

• 1:24:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  Go ahead.

• 1:24:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  It's ladies first, but go ahead if you want to be, holy shit.

• 1:24:06Speaker 06

  Here, I brought some hot sauce.

• 1:24:08Speaker 05

  I wouldn't touch anything that

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  So, so, but AOC would laugh and joke and do this. Likability, man. Never underestimate the power of likability.

• 1:24:15Speaker 06

  The challenge is, what you, say what you want to say about Hillary, she was at least smart and calculated.

• 1:24:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:20Speaker 06

  In my opinion, these female potential candidates from Hillary to Kamala to AOC are getting more likable, but way dumber. You think that AOC would stand a chance on the debate stage versus any credible person?

• 1:24:35Speaker 01

  Let me ask you a question.

• 1:24:36Speaker 06

  That to me is the problem.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  How do you do in debates?

• 1:24:38Speaker 06

  What's that?

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  How do you do in debates?

• 1:24:40Speaker 06

  Why, why?

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  I'm asking you, how do you do in debates? How do I do in debates? How do we all do in debates? You think we're all like

• 1:24:46Speaker 06

  It depends on what you're, what you're solving for.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  But what I'm saying to you is, can that be taught?

• 1:24:52Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  Of course it can be taught. All right. So, and guess what it takes? You know, people don't real, like, I can have somebody that I debate with if people think I like sit around and just create content all day. They don't know what, like, what I did at 9:30, 10 o'clock last night. The emergency meeting we had, that was a phenomenal meeting we had with our executives for 3 and 1/2, 4 hours. It was a great meeting. What I'm trying to tell you is, AOC has to prioritize everything towards becoming smarter. She's got to read the Republican positions as well, not the socialist positions. She's got to bring the right people to prep her. She has to, and that can be taught. We put too much value into being smart. You think Trump was the smarter candidate that won?

• 1:25:34Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  No, Trump knows people. He knows, like, he knows how to show, he knows how to show up. He won people over. Hillary Clinton's likability score is the worst ever. And by the way, Newsom, maybe the worst trust score ever.

• 1:25:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  He ruined it himself. Like, you almost want, like, for me, you know what I wanted? I want him in the ring. It's a very weird thing for me because this is a cool sport. I like the sport. I wanted to see Newsom against Rubio or Newsom against JD. I actually want to see that.

• 1:26:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  I think it's good for television. Because that

• 1:26:05Speaker 05

  He debated, he debated the stand.

• 1:26:07Speaker 06

  Because he will, he will fight, but he will be close.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Rubio's legit. Rubio's is equal.

• 1:26:10Speaker 06

  I fully agree with you on the likability. I get that. But there's also policies. And I, I just don't understand how that could win in the general.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  No policies, guys. Trump didn't know policies.

• 1:26:22Speaker 06

  Trump is one of one.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  No, but AOC

• 1:26:23Speaker 06

  AOC ain't on Trump's level. Nobody's rapping about AOC.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  I'm not telling you she's at Trump's level.

• 1:26:28Speaker 06

  Nobody has AOC's name on their building.

• 1:26:29Speaker 05

  But Adam, watch

• 1:26:30Speaker 06

  Trump is an anomaly.

• 1:26:31Speaker 05

  But Adam, watch this because all the stuff that's happening right now, look at how strategic. Freezing her eggs, ex-fiance for 10 years, gone. You know why? Because he's a tech millionaire.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  By the way

• 1:26:42Speaker 05

  They're changing the image.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Can I tell you something, though? Can I tell you something? Blind spot. Me and AOC follow each other. We've DM'd each other. We've talked to each other. We've seen each other's posts and every once in a while, I will tell you this, is, um,

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  I don't think America will elect a single woman.

• 1:27:00Speaker 07

  I was just gonna say that.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  I don't think they will. I think she needs a relationship. And so the concern to be a single woman.

• 1:27:08Speaker 07

  With no kids.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  May I?

• 1:27:10Speaker 07

  Sir.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  Instead of being a person in a relationship, the worry that, well, America's gonna have the first, what do you call it, the not lady, first lady, first gentleman, whatever they call it.

• 1:27:22Speaker 07

  Whatever.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  I don't think that's an issue. I literally don't think that's an issue today. I don't think it is. I think her being single splits her chances by, you know how much? Fifty percent. My position changes after the breakup. If she stays single, she can't stay single.

• 1:27:36Speaker 05

  She'll be, but yeah, and I agree because I, and I think this.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  She needs a relationship.

• 1:27:39Speaker 05

  I think her people.

• 1:27:41Speaker 07

  She's gonna pivot right to somebody else.

• 1:27:43Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:27:43Speaker 07

  Just, just, they're gonna put a plant in there.

• 1:27:45Speaker 05

  Well, she froze her eggs for a reason. They're gonna bring some guy that's probably gonna be more conservative, more palatable to the conservative people and the independents because she has to stop, guys, guys, she has to soften her language. The image, she has to be more mature than this radical leftist DSA nonsense. That's why they, I'm telling you right now, they're gonna introduce the reasonable, nicer AOC, and then a guy's gonna come. This is all.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  But she need, but she needs the guy to be sooner. Like James Fishback, he was with a girl, then we went to a different girl, and then they got married, and then they are having a kid. That timing was a little bit too hurry, okay? Strategically, he is a better campaigner than Byron Donalds. He's a better campaigner than, and Jay Collins, and a better campaigner than, what do you call it, Paul Renner. Policy-wise, I'm more on Renner. Like Renner's, believe it or not, policy-wise, I like Renner on how he presents his stuff.

• 1:28:39Speaker 07

  What's his trustworthy score?

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Trustworthy score would be lower, but he is a very good presenter, right? But to me, AOC can't delay this relationship thing. And maybe there's somebody already in there where she's making a move.

• 1:28:51Speaker 05

  DM, can you just DM her and ask her if she likes funny Assyrian guy? I'll take one for the team.

• 1:28:57Speaker 07

  Vinnie, that.

• 1:28:57Speaker 05

  Vinnie?

• 1:28:58Speaker 07

  When we, they go low, we go high.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Funniest relation. I actually think you guys would get along.

• 1:29:01Speaker 07

  AOC needs to.

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  It just, it would be a problem. It wouldn't work out.

• 1:29:05Speaker 05

  That obviously.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  I think on a date, honestly, on a date, you guys will laugh your asses off.

• 1:29:09Speaker 05

  AOC is listening to this?

• 1:29:10Speaker 07

  Wait, wait, wait, I have a message for Elon Musk.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  He's a man. He'll pay.

• 1:29:14Speaker 07

  About AOC being a single person, I have a message for Elon Musk. Ask not what your country can do for you.

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:29:21Speaker 07

  Ask what you can do for your country.

• 1:29:24Speaker 05

  Go for it, Elon.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  All right. So here we go. Let's go to the next one. Next story I want to get into is the SPLC story. Kinda weird, little weird, maybe a lot of weird.

• 1:29:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, a lot.

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  So you know this whole Charlottesville that was all the MAGA's fault or right-wing extremists, all this other stuff?

• 1:29:43Speaker 05

  All sides.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Well, what if, what if you were to learn that maybe the people behind Charlottesville, it was really this SPLC thing, that apparently they're supposed to bring blacks and whites together and unify. DOJ charges former Southern Poverty Law Center CFO with fraud. You know when your CFO get charged with fraud? You know what the CFO knows with finances? Everything.

• 1:30:08Speaker 05

  Everything.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Okay? And this story, you know who it's written by? Not by Breitbart, not, not Daily Caller, not, not the, you know, all these other sites, Fox. No, no, this isn't Blaze. This is written by ABC News. So let me read it to you. The Southern Poverty Law Center former chief financial officer was arrested Wednesday, charged with fraud in a superseding indictment accusing her of overseeing fraudulent donor payments to informants inside hate groups, including one with whom she allegedly had a romantic relationship with and shared a bank account. Heidi, uh-oh, Birick, if you can put her up so we can see her face, was arrested in California Wednesday morning and charged with counts of including conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering. Prosecutors says Birick, who previously led the SPLC hate group track and section,

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  was amongst several individuals who oversaw payments to people who infiltrated white supremacist groups as informants. The indictment alleges one British Birick approved payments for was an imperial wizard in the Q-Clucks Clan. What? What?

• 1:31:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  What? And that Birick had a romantic relationship with another person the SPLC paid over a million dollars since '07. Between 2015 and 2021, approximately $140,000 in SPLC donor money flowed into a bank account she allegedly shared with that person. So let me ask you, I learned this from Anthony, would you consider her a rocket? Is she like a rock? She's a dime, obviously. She's gorgeous. She's your type, Vinnie.

• 1:31:34Speaker 07

  She's more like a bomb.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. In April, the SPLC was charged as an organization with bank fraud and money laundering over the informant payments. Birick is the first named individual charged. Attorney General Todd Bland said the case shows investigators will keep on working it even after the initial indictment. Vinnie, thoughts?

• 1:31:52Speaker 05

  Connor just said she's a rocket like the, the, the shuttle. He's hilarious. But guys, can you, like, just let, let, wrap your head around this. The irony is unbelievable. For years, she's warning America how these Nazi and white supremacist groups were growing under Donald Trump. It was, she was dating an alleged white supremacist Nazi in the freaking KKK or whatever.

• 1:32:19Speaker 07

  Well, in her defense, she's gonna take whatever she can get.

• 1:32:22Speaker 05

  Oh, I, I can't even get mad at that, but like.

• 1:32:24Speaker 07

  Beggars can't be choosers. I'm an imperial wizard. Fine.

• 1:32:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, at least he's high rank.

• 1:32:28Speaker 07

  Does he have a male member? I'm in.

• 1:32:30Speaker 05

  But I mean, this, I just want people to understand this. These organizations, this SPLC, BLM, every,

• 1:32:39Speaker 05

  is it just me or every single thing that the left has done? It's all a lie. From Russia to impeachments, to collusion, to January, to racism. Guys, think, understand this. We're constantly told that America is the most racist country ever to exist, and they keep having to manufacturing that racism is here to prove it. Like, everybody's racist. They have to make racism.

• 1:33:02Speaker 07

  Manufacture the fracture.

• 1:33:04Speaker 05

  Thank you. So like, for instance, go back, Jesse, remember Juicy Smouet, whatever the hell his name is?

• 1:33:09Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:09Speaker 05

  When he said he was attacked by, by MAGA supporters and turned out the attack was two black Nigerian brothers who were in on it allegedly. Then there was Bubba Wallace, remember the NASCAR? There was, they were told someone left a noose hanging in his garage. FBI determined that the rope has been there, had been there from 2019, and it was just for the garage to pull it up or, or pull it down. How many of these stories, Pat, have to keep on coming? If America is as racist as these people keep telling us, why do they have to keep on making this nonsense up? And think about it, the, the news cycle is so much, nobody even gives, like, we're, I think there's like three people, including us, that are talking about this story. I'm good for her that she's getting arrested.

• 1:33:52Speaker 05

  Accountability is happening, but I just want, shout out to America, okay, America, that everybody says that we're this racist nation. We're not. There's millions and millions and millions of dollars behind it to manufacture this stuff, to make everybody think that everybody's hateful and this. No, we're actually a loving dope country. Yes, there are some racists here, left and right, but the main people around it that are pushing it, that are pushing it are not only paying for it, they're dating the actual Nazis that they're warning us that this country has. So good for you and good for her.

• 1:34:22Speaker 07

  Thoughts? I, I have two thoughts here. The first thought is the DNC, Democratic National Committee should just change its name. They can keep DNC because it means dirty tricks never cease.

• 1:34:31Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 1:34:31Speaker 07

  So, number one. And number two, there is more coming from the Department of Justice for SPLC. The one person you want to get, if you know an organization is really corrupt and you want to take down everyone, you know who you start with? The CFO. You know what they did at Enron? They went after.

• 1:34:50Speaker 05

  Andy Fastow.

• 1:34:51Speaker 07

  Fastow. And you know who they got? They got Ken Lay and they got Jeff Skilling. And they created a triangle around them and they got them all. And there, when you hear the dirty tricks that they played on Andy Fastow, not that he was innocent, we've talked to him and I think he was doing stuff that everybody else did, but they claimed by the letter of the law here, and they really pinched him in a terrible way. The one person you want is the CFO. The CFO knows everything and knows, and the questions will go like this. Okay, how much money was sent here? Yeah? Who approved that? Did the president approve that? Yes, the president approved it. I have the email right here where he approved me to send it.

• 1:35:31Speaker 07

  Now they got him. This is just the beginning, and I'm glad to see it because SPLC has been, not the Southern Poverty Law Center, it has been an, an arm, almost like, you know, USAID organizations that were out there doing bad things. All it was, was a funded organization that was out there doing dirty tricks. But that's my take. I'm not gonna go deep on SPLC, Pat. They got the CFO. You know how this works.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  You know what happens next?

• 1:35:57Speaker 07

  Other people are gonna come down.

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  You know what happens next?

• 1:36:00Speaker 07

  What happens next?

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  Are you, like?

• 1:36:02Speaker 05

  Well, she's arrested, she's gonna rat on everybody.

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  First of all, so, so who do you think knows everything?

• 1:36:09Speaker 07

  Her.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:36:10Speaker 07

  She's the one.

• 1:36:11Speaker 05

  And she knows who approved everything she did.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  Paper trail of, everybody who says send that money to XYZ, messaged her.

• 1:36:19Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  Do you understand? You get her, you get her emails, it's over. That's, it's done. So then she has to either be a whistleblower and talk about all the other stuff that's going on, or she takes the heat.

• 1:36:29Speaker 05

  The PhD in racism.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  We'll see what happens here. By the way, I want to cover two other stories before we wrap up. One of them is the Ukraine story. Did you see the Ukraine story? The Ukraine story is that the US and Ukraine forces went head to head in an exercise. And guess who won? Ukraine's drones won. This is a Wall Street Journal story. And then a story comes out, Ukraine could destroy all of the Russian ballistic missiles if US sells 10% Patriot supply. But before we get into the stories, and I want to get into the Candace Owens and Andrew Wilson podcast and some of the conversations we had on getting into, and last but not least, we'll do the Trump truck. But before we do that, I want you guys to see this. Again, a lot of you. Who are part of the future looks bright. By the way, the other day I'm out there. I don't know where I was at at a restaurant.

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

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• 1:38:00Speaker 01

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• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  All right, go to VTMerch.com again. Go to VTMerch.com place an order for yourself, your son, your husband, or somebody you love that is very optimistic and believes the future looks bright. Next story I want to get into. So US and Ukrainian forces. When head to it in an exercise, Ukraine drones won. Battlefield drill shows Pentagon hasn't fully absorbed lessons of the of Russia's war. Interesting. So US went against Ukraine and the drones won. Yes, they did. Let me read this to you. US Armed Forces faced off against Ukrainian drone operators at a Germany exercise earlier this year. It didn't go well for Americans during the exercise called combined resolve.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  Ukrainian drones units easily spotted and defeated US troops and armored vehicles on rotation from Fort Hood, Texas. Around 3,500 US personnel, primarily from the third armored brigade combat team, first cavalry division, which that's the biggest base we have in America. It's a very well known decorated base. Attacked the position defended by opposition forces reinforced by Ukrainians from the 412 regiment of unmanned system forces known as nemesis. The Ukrainian eliminated a US armored brigade. Heavy vehicles threw up dust at reconnaissance drones easily spotted, followed by explosive dropping and first person view drones scoring kills so quickly that the US vehicles had to be respawned to keep the exercise going.

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  The Americans improved over two weeks as they learned to disperse, conceal and use electronic warfare. The drubbing couples with US casualties from Iranian drones shows American vulnerability years after the US pioneered long range drones warfare. British and Swedish forces have suffered similar defeats. It is vital that the US military master that. And thus far, unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case at Elliot Cohen, a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. And this story from Wall Street Journal comes out same time when a story comes out from CNN saying, CNN saying Ukraine could destroy all Russian ballistic missiles if US sells 10% of Patriot supply to them. Tom, when you hear this story, how do you process the story?

• 1:40:54Speaker 07

  I process it two ways. Ukraine has had to get better by necessity and necessity drives invention and necessity also drives urgency and speed. And Ukraine's had all three. They've had the necessity to defend themselves. They've had the urgency because of various Russian thrusts that have happened, you know, in phases during the war, and they've needed the speed so they could get back and be the one on the offense. Whenever you have that, you always iterate faster. You always iterate faster. So apparently they've iterated faster. Point one. Point two, apparently the lack of investment during the Biden administration and things

• 1:41:35Speaker 07

  like this have led to a situation where we're not ready for certain elements of modern warfare. We have giant aircraft carriers that can sail around and they're protected by nuclear subs and ages class cruisers right next to them. That's the old style of warfare. Once you're in over the, look at what's happening right now. We still have Iran ability to make missiles, launch them out of the mountainside from over here, over here, over here, so finding needles in a haystack and then hitting ships. Right here, what this is telling us, saying, if you gave me 10% of your patriots because I could defend against the Russian missiles, we would go in with the drones and we would

• 1:42:19Speaker 07

  destroy the rest of them where they sleep. We saw a, I was very impressed and shocked. It was two years ago, Pat, where I believe it was two years where the Ukrainians lost and launched an overnight drone assault on Russian bombers that were parked the way the US and Russia parks the planes. You remember this, seeing this? All the Russian planes were parked in a row and zoom, they went over there, they overwhelmed the air defense and they were bombing these bombers, bombing the bombers. So there's the two things, you know, Ukraine did a necessity, Pat, and the US is not ready for this level of modern warfare. We have got everything we need for the old level of warfare.

• 1:43:04Speaker 07

  Let's fly B-52s at high altitude and drop unbelievable amounts of bombs on the mountains and come back and say, we've destroyed Iran's nuclear capabilities. That's old style. This new style, this is the same thing we learned in Vietnam. You know what we learned in Vietnam, Pat? It says that we learned about guerrilla warfare. We learned about tunnels. We learned about caves. We learned about trap doors. We learned about so much in Vietnam when we pulled back that said, this is different. We also learned a big lesson in Mogadishu. We learned about urban warfare in Mogadishu. And what we're finding at is that the modern war is going to be electronic war fought by autonomous little nuisances and we're not, we're not ready for it.

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  And by the way, you know, in this, in this interview with Zelensky, he's asking, I don't know if you saw this or not. He, Zelensky said, this year I'm asking American partners to sell me 5% of missiles, what they have in their stocks. Zelensky told CNN in an interview, if they sell us 5%, we will go through the winter and save people's lives. If they can sell us 10%, we will destroy all the Russian ballistic missiles. The appeal came amid a severe air defense shortage in July. Ukraine intercepted only 29 of the 195 ballistic missile Russia launched, making it the deadliest month for civilians since the full scale invasion began in 2022. According to the UN, I have 1%.

• 1:44:30Speaker 01

  Zelensky said, the current Ukraine acquisition of interceptors, the US itself forces a faces a reported missile shortage as the Iran war depleted stockpiles. President Trump said August 6th, the US needs missiles too. So imagine you're asking me for missiles. You want me to give you missiles while I'm in the middle of it? What, what, what do you, you understand what I'm saying? Like you want us to share it with you for what? We're in the middle of something ourselves as well. So it's not like America has the ability. By the way, we do have some useful clues. Zelensky said in May that US production was only around 60 to 65 Patriot missiles per month. So we're only doing 60 to 65 Patriot missiles per month and argued that production needed to increase substantially. Zelensky is telling America, hey, man, let's go. I need more missiles from you.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  While America is dealing with Iran, this guy's asking for us to give the missiles. Trump's like, wait a minute, we may need it ourselves. So how are you processing this?

• 1:45:24Speaker 05

  Well, the fact that this is the monster that we created with Zelensky, you know, coming here begging, remember money, give me money, give me money. This is a problem that Biden and all them invited, invited Russia to do a minor incursion. Do you remember that, Tom? Minor incursion, meaning start the war, go for it. And then all the guys, you know, all the, you know, defense contractors and this whole money laundering situation. And now we are stuck besides our own freaking war with Iran. Now we have to deal with this guy and Ukraine. And by the way, Russia, if you guys notice, Russia's been really quiet, Tom. I haven't heard that much about Putin, but how do you think Putin feels about hearing, hey, if America gives me 10% of Patriot missiles, I could take out everything with ballistic missiles. That's that. By the way, if I'm Russia, I'm like, yeah, go ahead and I dare you.

• 1:46:07Speaker 05

  Cause then that's going to ruin whatever relationship that we have with America.

• 1:46:12Speaker 07

  Putin's short of troops.

• 1:46:13Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:46:13Speaker 07

  And we are short of air defense.

• 1:46:16Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:46:16Speaker 07

  And Ukraine is short of air defense.

• 1:46:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:46:18Speaker 07

  So everybody is looking at this and not liking where they are right now.

• 1:46:22Speaker 05

  No, and Tom, to me, if I've, if, you know, our relationship is cool with you and then I'm going to find out if you give somebody a bunch of Patriot missiles that are going to take out all my ballistic capability, bro, that's, to me, that's an act of like, okay, like now you're in on this even more because I, by the way, and again, I don't want nothing, Ukraine and Russia, I don't want that to be any of our business. Okay. But Biden made it our business. And by the way, these videos are scary as hell. I've seen these drone warfare, because you know, an X, if you click on one of them, guys, it's just constantly happening. Are these Ukrainian soldiers and then Russian soldiers trying to run away from these freaking drones and there is nowhere to hide? This thing is following you. I don't care where you hide. It's coming. Yep. So I would just hope, I would hope, because two things.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  That's what it looks like. Play that clip. Boom, it's coming to you, you're looking at it, oh drones coming.

• 1:47:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, boom, yeah, they're all gone, they're all, if you don't have shrapnel in your, all over your body.

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  Go back 10 seconds, go back, watch this.

• 1:47:17Speaker 05

  They think they got away.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  Russian soldiers began to hug each other thinking they had emerged from the battle on, and then all of a sudden they hear the sound of the drone.

• 1:47:23Speaker 05

  Oh, he's gonna try to shoot, nope, you can't. By the way, and I'm pretty sure the aftermath, oh, the guy, at least the guy, they're done, they're done, because it's like a 5 to 10 meter range.

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  By the way, Russia, Russian attacks, killed 10 in Ukraine, as Zelensky says, Moscow's getting more North Korean missiles. This is just 2 days ago. So this is, this is still going on, and so for them, you know, 1 week, they're having a successful week, next week, Russia's coming and saying, don't worry, we'll get, and remember, Russia and Iran are together. So in this situation, Russia's partnership with Iran is forcing US to get closer to Zelensky, even though Ukraine and Iran would be more comparable, because they're the smaller ones, they, they are standing up against the bigger bully.

• 1:48:04Speaker 05

  And this is my thing, it's, it's the main thing is what, protection of our troops, they're having these exercises, and they're showing how bad we are. Over here, number 1, I obviously think that we need an iron dome, you know what I mean, if we're giving all the money, all these other places to have protection, we need protection here, number 1. Number 2, it's all of our United States soldiers stationed all over the place, that if something, God forbid, happens, we're, we just saw the, the story, we're not trained, Tom, and this is a freaking, this is the future of warfare. It's not even troops on the ground anymore, Pat, it's just drones coming in and blowing everything up, so we need to get ready.

• 1:48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, the, uh.

• 1:48:37Speaker 07

  This is why Palmer Lucky's company, Andrel, has been so successful, mass produce it, and mass produce modern weapons meeting the need.

• 1:48:45Speaker 01

  Adam.

• 1:48:46Speaker 06

  Well, here's what I've learned during this Russia-Ukraine war, is that Russia's been totally exposed, we thought that they were this big, bad army that, you know, could take over the world, they can't even take over land in Ukraine. They're barely winning, I mean, does anybody look worse than Putin, and I'm being completely unbiased here. Putin, what, what has he accomplished in the last 5 years, what, what has he done? He's ruined his country, hundreds of thousands and a million people have died, for what benefit? I mean, where, where I will criticize Trump is, maybe putting too much stock to his personal relationship with Putin might change anything.

• 1:49:23Speaker 06

  Trump campaigned on ending the war in 1 day, buddy, it's been 5 years. And I don't put that on Trump, I think he's tried, tried, tried again, I put this on Putin. I think this is Putin's legacy at this point, is that your country has basically been outmaneuvered, outmanned, and out-innovated by these, the little engine that could, Zelensky and the Ukrainians.

• 1:49:42Speaker 05

  But we're giving them all the money, but Adam, think about it.

• 1:49:44Speaker 06

  Well, they're winning.

• 1:49:45Speaker 05

  If you're fighting a giant, and some other giant is giving you a-

• 1:49:48Speaker 01

  Zelensky.

• 1:49:49Speaker 06

  Ukraine is winning, you know?

• 1:49:50Speaker 05

  Well, you know what I'm saying, so Adam, Adam, think about this, if, Adam, ready for this? There's a giant that you're fighting, and, right, it's me, I'm a little guy fighting a giant, but somebody keeps giving me everything that I need to keep shooting and fighting, it's like, what do you mean, the other team's gonna be losing? Putin can't go in and just nuke Ukraine, he can't go in there and just destroy them, he has the capability, Adam, you don't think Putin could just go in there and wipe out Ukraine in 2 seconds?

• 1:50:16Speaker 06

  Well, I mean-

• 1:50:17Speaker 05

  He could, but then what happens?

• 1:50:19Speaker 06

  Nuclear holocaust.

• 1:50:20Speaker 05

  Well, what I'm saying is, Ukraine has no chance, the only reason that, because they know that we're back-

• 1:50:23Speaker 06

  Do you remember when they talked about, this is 3, 4 years ago, that they gotta give Putin an off-ramp, you gotta give Putin an off-ramp, you need to save face for more Russia. I don't, has anything been done to give this guy an off-ramp? They met over Alaska, over a year ago, remember that? Trump and Putin, has anything been accomplished by that? One of the saddest things is that everybody, when the Gaza-Israel thing happened, everybody pivoted to Gaza. And everyone forgot that the most disastrous war that we've seen in Europe, potentially in the world, since World War 2, is happening in Ukraine and Russia right now, and nothing's happening. So, the, the, the glimmer of hope that I have for America, you know, they say you can win, you don't win or lose, you win or learn.

• 1:51:07Speaker 06

  America got beat on the battlefield by Ukrainian forces, and then they said, America actually improved over the next 2 weeks, that they learned to basically conceal and use electronic warfare. Thank goodness that we have an ally like Ukraine, that's giving it to Russia right now, that we can learn from, and that we're not fighting these people, and we can use it to our advantage. Because at the end of the day, I'm with you, we care about America, we want to protect America, but it's in America's interest to make sure that Russia does not win.

• 1:51:33Speaker 07

  Yeah. And oil is $82, but the market's at an all-time high, so the K-shaped economy in the background continues.

• 1:51:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, weird.

• 1:51:41Speaker 01

  Okay, alright, do we want to go to the story of the president getting, sneaking off of a, you know, Trump reportedly used a catering truck to sneak off Air Force One amid Iranian threats? Like, you read this story, like, is this real?

• 1:51:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:51:55Speaker 01

  Is this it, play the clip? So this, that's him getting off, and he gets into another truck.

• 1:52:00Speaker 06

  It's behind it.

• 1:52:00Speaker 01

  Just to throw people off in Turkey, while they're thinking he's on Air Force One. So, that means the people that are on Air Force One, if Iran was gonna do anything, those, so imagine you're on that flight. Hey guys, take one for the team.

• 1:52:14Speaker 05

  Well, no, imagine finding out, like, you're on there eating lobster and hanging out.

• 1:52:18Speaker 01

  Where is the president?

• 1:52:19Speaker 05

  The president, by the way-

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  I know, no, no, imagine you're on the plane, like, where's the president? Nah, nah, he took a different, uh-

• 1:52:24Speaker 05

  And you know automatically, why, what happened?

• 1:52:26Speaker 01

  You look at the flight attendant, flight attendants are nervous.

• 1:52:28Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 1:52:29Speaker 01

  We don't, he typically would be here, I, I don't know what to tell you, Mr. O'Shaughnessy, I don't know what to tell you.

• 1:52:34Speaker 06

  I can picture Trump in the trunk with all the catering out. Yeah, like, he's snack right here, pass me a diet coke, give me a hamburger.

• 1:52:41Speaker 05

  But can we make, Connor, can you check, because from what I heard, he faked the funk, didn't get on this one.

• 1:52:46Speaker 06

  With a nasty dunk.

• 1:52:47Speaker 05

  By the way, he went on to the second one, and then got off, and went to a 3rd plane, he didn't get on, uh, can you make sure?

• 1:52:54Speaker 06

  How many planes does he have?

• 1:52:55Speaker 05

  I think, like, Trump certified, he switched planes in Turkey.

• 1:52:58Speaker 06

  Was one of these, well, there's a Qatar game?

• 1:52:59Speaker 05

  And then he was on a, guys, he went on a jet, he went on a smaller jet with Pete Hexef and somebody else. And I'm just saying right now, you know what would have been funny, Connor made a great point, if, God forbid, this person that had like a shoulder rocket fired, whatever, I don't know, whatever the reporting of whoever even said it, if they shot down the first, Air Force One, you know how many Americans would have been like, the leftist that cheered for Trump?

• 1:53:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, red men orange, and then like, and he's just like, I'm back, and he shows up, people would have been so freaking furious. I'll be back.

• 1:53:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, that he didn't die, but this is the clip, you want to, can you play this?

• 1:53:34Speaker 12

  Clinton, can you tell us about your ride on the airport catering truck in Turkey, why did you need to do that? Well, it's only up to Secret Service, I just follow what they'd like to do. So, I go by Secret Service, and the military, they wanted me to go on a different flight, a different plane, uh, equal safety, but they wanted me to do it, so I do it, I do what they say. Why did they want me to do that?

• 1:53:59Speaker 06

  I love him.

• 1:54:00Speaker 12

  I guess there was a threat out there, I didn't really ask too much about it, I get a lot of threats. Why was it too dangerous for you to fly on Air Force One, but not too dangerous for the press? The plane that I flew on was at greater risk. Why do you say that? Because that would be the plane, I think that we, that they would be more likely to go for.

• 1:54:21Speaker 05

  Didn't Clinton in 2000 get on a, uh, he came on a different flight, they lied, Pat, from Pakistan? He flew into Pakistan on a different plane than everybody thought he was on. You know what I would have said to her, who, who are you with? CNN, MSNBC, or whatever, all the crap you guys talk about me for the past god knows how years, good for you, I'm out, I would have just walked away, get out of here.

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  He does that for a living, he does that for a living.

• 1:54:45Speaker 06

  Hillary and I were in Pakistan, I just flipped off those bastards, from the stairs, Air Force One, she gets in, I went the other way, I was thinking, maybe my lucky day. I, I process this a couple different ways, number 1, do I think that Iran wants to kill Trump?

• 1:55:01Speaker 05

  I mean, obviously.

• 1:55:02Speaker 06

  Do we have the picture that I just sent you, Connor?

• 1:55:04Speaker 05

  8 days a week.

• 1:55:05Speaker 06

  They're promoting it, they're saying it everywhere, they're saying death to America, they're saying that they want to kill Trump, here's a banner that they put up in the Islamic Republic right now, how more, how much more obvious does they make it? We will kill Trump, okay, that's what they're doing in Iran right now, and I get it, he took out their Ayatollah, he took out Soleimani, so, when someone tells you who they are, believe them. Number 2, and this is just my speculation, where was he leaving that plane from?

• 1:55:33Speaker 05

  Turkey.

• 1:55:34Speaker 06

  Turkey, you know how much I trust Turkey at this point?

• 1:55:37Speaker 05

  As much as you trust Ham?

• 1:55:38Speaker 06

  About this much.

• 1:55:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:39Speaker 06

  I trust Ham a little bit more than Turkey at this point, and I'm keeping kosher, if you know what I mean.

• 1:55:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:44Speaker 06

  But to me, I think you have to protect the golden goose, Trump is the golden goose, I don't know what's going on here, but when Secret Service says, get in the catering truck, Trump's getting his ass to the catering truck.

• 1:55:55Speaker 05

  You know who knew what was happening, were the pilots of Air Force One, nobody else knew until later, you know the pilots were crapping in their pants, bro, because you know, they said a guy was walking around with a freaking surface-to-air missile, like that, yo, I'm already afraid of flights, bro, that would have, I would have gone-

• 1:56:11Speaker 06

  Protect this man, Secret Service, you got a bullet in his ear, you got, how many attempts at his life, do we have that picture of when he's golfing, and that they have like some missile launcher? Do you have that?

• 1:56:22Speaker 05

  He's in Jersey.

• 1:56:23Speaker 06

  This is what you need when you're playing golf.

• 1:56:24Speaker 05

  He's in Jersey golfing, and you see, um, Sam, that actually, like, their defense missiles to knock stuff out of the sky.

• 1:56:31Speaker 07

  That's what a Patriot battery looks like, by the way, it's called a Patriot battery, and it's-

• 1:56:34Speaker 05

  Look at this guy.

• 1:56:35Speaker 06

  This is what Trump is golfing with right here. That's a hooligan, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:56:39Speaker 07

  Each of those square containers has got 4 to 8 missiles inside it, that will seek out and knock down an incoming.

• 1:56:46Speaker 06

  Alright, so, very dangerous job.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  Last but not least, Andrew Wilson made a $300,000 offer to Candace Owens to debate him on the topic of Charlie Kirk, overwhelming the evidence that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie and her, saying, no, Tyler Robinson is a patsy. That debate is gonna be taking place tomorrow morning, 11 a.m. Eastern Standard Time, it'll be livestreamed the entire time, I want to show you the intro of this, go for it, go ahead and play this clip.

• 1:57:14Speaker 13

  And podcaster Charlie Kirk has been shot.

• 1:57:18Speaker 04

  Tyler James Robinson.

• 1:57:19Speaker 13

  Is the suspect in custody.

• 1:57:22Speaker 14

  Tyler Robinson is a patsy. Utah Valley University. I feel pretty certain about that. We got him. He texted his boyfriend, and admitted to the crime. You're saying these are his texts? We can't even determine if they're fake or they're real. I don't think your investigation has proven a single thing. There is nothing, not a single shred of this case that they have delivered that has been concrete.

• 1:57:50Speaker 04

  To bring justice.

• 1:57:51Speaker 14

  I don't believe you can tie Erica to anything, I don't believe you have a single credible eyewitness or alternative theory. You gotta connect the bullet, you gotta connect the person. And I'm just as connected to this case as you are, which means, not at all.

• 1:58:07Speaker 05

  Dude, I'm watching it.

• 1:58:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:58:09Speaker 01

  Tomorrow morning, this will be live, okay? And we had multiple conversations. There was a lot of, well, you know, she's not doing this, he's not doing this, she's not doing this, he's not doing this. We finally had a Zoom, we got on the call. Tom, you were on that Zoom as well, and it was very clear on exactly what his position is versus what her position is. They fully agreed on the same page. This is my position, this is yours, let's have it, let's sit down. I think this is the conversation a lot of people have been waiting to take place, and respectfully, they're both formidable. Both of them know how to debate, both of them know what to do. Candace has, of course, got a massive following. Andrew Wilson is kind of coming up where he's been around the block debating hundreds.

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  Not that, he knows what he's doing. And so it should be a very, very interesting debate taking place tomorrow.

• 1:59:01Speaker 06

  I think it's gonna be a world-class event. I think they're both very capable. I think Candace is gonna bring her best, I think she's gonna bring her feelings, I think she's gonna bring her dreams and her intuition, her motherly intuition, and she might not know, but she might know, you know? And I think he's gonna bring facts and evidence and debate tactics, and we'll see what happens.

• 1:59:22Speaker 05

  I think, you know, another thing that I think that stands out, Pat, is the trust that they have for you to be the moderator of this, because they know exactly who you are, they know you're not gonna be picking any sides, and I think that trust is freaking amazing. It went from Joe Rogan to somebody else to Michael Knowles, but, uh, yeah, guys, it's been a year, it's been almost a year since Charlie, God rest his soul, was murdered, and I'm very, very interested to hear both sides, and it's gonna be, if you had to guess, Adam, Tom, how many live viewers? If you had to guess? I'm saying over 300,000 people are watching live during the day, on a workday, on a workday, people are gonna be tuning in. I'd say 300,000, what do you think?

• 2:00:03Speaker 07

  Listen, the moderating started on that call. These are both smart people, it was not a screaming match. Pat moderated the positions to get the deal finished.

• 2:00:11Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 2:00:12Speaker 07

  And now he's gonna moderate the debate itself. But both these people came across very smart, very deferential, and to, you know, during the point of putting the call together, and now we're gonna see it go live and go see, as they say, hot conflict. So, I'm looking forward to it.

• 2:00:26Speaker 06

  What is his relationship with Turning Point? He doesn't work for Turning Point, he's his own guy.

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  I don't know what his relationship is with Turning Point. I do know, you know, he said "we" and the TPUSA, and I think he had a visit, I believe they've communicated together, but I don't know his position. I think Andrew is his own man. He is, you know, he goes way, way back to a show that I think him and Dave Smith used to have, I think, 10 years ago. This guy knows what he's doing. He's a, you know, they do this for a living. This is their business model. He's always on that whatever takes.

• 2:00:59Speaker 05

  Crucible.

• 2:00:59Speaker 01

  Podcast, Crucible, yeah.

• 2:01:00Speaker 06

  So, what were the guidelines, meaning there was no personal attacks? You have to, can you establish any rules, or can you tell us what's basically been agreed to?

• 2:01:10Speaker 01

  No, they're both, they're both leaning on me to keep it about the issue for them to go back and forth with. It's a very much of a, you know, being fair and the right, proper time and all this other stuff, and so the agreement came to this, you know, by the time we're done with the first position, let's just say it goes 90 minutes to two hours, by the time we go through the first position, this may be three and a half hours to five hours.

• 2:01:35Speaker 06

  I hope so.

• 2:01:36Speaker 01

  Just so you know that, this may be three and a half to five hours. So it's gonna be a sit-down for a while, and we have to talk about bathroom breaks and how to do a timing, all this stuff. It's gonna be, it's gonna be what the audience wants to see.

• 2:01:48Speaker 06

  Are you gonna have live fact-checks? Because a lot of it'll be feelings.

• 2:01:52Speaker 01

  To be fair for both sides, and by the way, credit goes to Candace. Candace is like, bring your team of three to do your own set of fact-checking. So while we're there.

• 2:02:00Speaker 05

  I love that.

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  Candace has her own team, he has his own team, and if I say, hey, can we fact-check that? Both teams can fact-check it.

• 2:02:08Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 2:02:08Speaker 01

  And put it on the screen, and they can ask their team to pull it up. I'm telling you, they're doing it the right way.

• 2:02:15Speaker 06

  Well, it's put up or shut up.

• 2:02:16Speaker 01

  This is the right way to do it, and they're the right people to do it. Some would say Andrew's got more experience with debating, and some would say Candace has more experience with this. But regardless, the fact that both sides are kind of saying, well, the other person has the advantage, well, the other person has the advantage, this is a good show down.

• 2:02:35Speaker 06

  And are you revealing the location? I'm not saying that.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  No, no, I'm not gonna reveal.

• 2:02:39Speaker 06

  No meaning, but you're going to?

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  No, you'll just see that's gonna be live. Don't worry about the location, just, you know, keep in mind, put it on your calendar, it's gonna be great. And the reason why I'm doing it is, for me, it's, just so you know, I'm not getting paid, this is not like, hey, you know, hey, can you pay me for this? They're not even paying me for my flight, just so everybody knows this. And I'm doing this because Candace is pregnant. And in many cases.

• 2:03:01Speaker 06

  She's pregnant again?

• 2:03:02Speaker 01

  She is pregnant, and so we're doing this because we're going there, and, you know, Candace has come here many times, this is one way of us going there and hosting this conversation, and we're looking forward to it. We're looking forward to it. Put it on your calendar, it's gonna be wild, it's gonna be intense, it's gonna be massive, and it's gonna be what many, many, many people have been waiting for. There's a massive audience rooting for Candace, and there's a massive audience rooting for Andrew, and I think it's the right show. So tomorrow morning, 11 a.m. Eastern Standard Time, put it on your calendar, you will see it here on PBD Podcast, you know, all over the place, the clips will come out, it's gonna be great. So, with that being said, gang, if you're watching this, we will not be, we typically would do Monday, Friday, the reason why I'm not doing tomorrow is because of this, we

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  will go back to it again next Monday, and I'm sure many of you guys will be tuning in to this. Whether you like either party or not, I highly recommend tuning in and listening, tuning in, and by the way, for the people that are like, wow, you know, Pat's on Candace's side, Pat's on Andrew's side, I just did a Ben Shapiro interview last week.

• 2:04:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  Do you understand, like, if there's anybody, so for both of them to agree to this, this is, this is a, this is a, this is a very, very fair positioning on where everybody's at, and keep in mind, respect to Michael Knowles, he's one of my favorite guys on the market. I love Michael Knowles, you know, what he did and what his position was, I respect it, and as well as Joe, this started with Joe's podcast with, you know, what do you call it?

• 2:04:33Speaker 06

  Andrew Wilson doing his thing.

• 2:04:34Speaker 01

  Being there, so Joe was offering as well, so everybody wants to have this conversation, we'll do that tomorrow, 11 a.m. Eastern Time. Guys, take care, have a great weekend, we'll do it again next week. God bless everybody, take care. Bye-bye, bye-bye.