Trump To Address Nation + Dave Smith Debate | PBD #767

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana break down the Charlie Kirk bullet match controversy, U. S. bunker buster airstrikes on Iran’s Isfahan nuclear facility, Kristi Noem controversy, and Tiger Woods DUI arrest case. ------ 📕 SLS 2026 OFFICIAL RECORDING: https://bit.ly/3PL6CF0 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰KALSHI: ⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 0:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 0:20Speaker 00

  My son's right there.

• 0:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so we are live, folks. Obviously, everybody knows when we think about what everybody wants to talk about. I mean, I've been tweeted at a million times. Pat, can you please talk about this? Can you please talk about that? We're finally gonna be addressing it. Tom's not wearing a tie today. I know it's an issue for a lot of you guys. You're not happy about it. We will talk about that. There are a lot of other things that's on your minds, such as Chicago Bulls, Jaden Ivey, not Nancy Ainsley, this is Jaden Ivey. We want to say the names properly, Vinny, because it's like, it's important to go through it.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's important because last Friday, you know, the great Sean Hannity was here. You know, here's a guy that's been doing this for decades, came out, sat down at the podcast. And by the way, it's not easy to do that. Nobody likes to do that. You know why? Because if I go and host for somebody else, the audience is gonna, oh, we missed this, we missed that. So, you know, I want to thank Sean here in front of everybody that you came and did that. Especially a guy that's a decorated guy in the industry that's been doing great work his entire career. And so, thank you, Sean, for the audience that tuned in on Friday. I got a lot of commentary. I'm glad you guys had a good time together. I think the biggest complaint was, we didn't talk about Iran enough. So, the goal is to go two and a half hours

• 1:41Patrick Bet-David?

  into Iran today. So, stay tuned. We're definitely gonna be doing that. And Adam's committed to bringing and doing a podcast with a significant other. Hopefully, one of these days, we can see that happening. Gas prices are at four bucks. I saw the gas prices, we gotta talk about that. Humberto came in today for no reason. I get a call from HR saying, "Why am I getting a complaint to HR from Humberto for gas prices hitting $4?" Yeah. What responsibilities does our HR department have over that? I'm like, "Arj, I don't know what to tell you." Humberto, you do one thing, he gets upset, him and Justin got into a big fight this last week in front of everybody at SLS, which was hands down the greatest event ever, which if you were there, you know what I'm talking about. It was hands down the most epic event

• 2:25Patrick Bet-David?

  we put together at the Trump Doral, the people at Trump Doral, phenomenal experience we had there. We gotta talk about Tiger Woods. I mean, Tiger Woods, man, there's a reason, like, there's a part of me that thinks the founders of, I'm convinced, Vinny, the founders of Uber and Lyft, I'm convinced they are such diehard fans that they created the company purely with the thought of mind to prevent Tiger from driving. Huh. Because they're like, "Why drive knowing you get in trouble when you drive? Just let us drive you." We'll take it. And we'll give you millions of drivers around the country that'll take you anywhere you want to go, and he's not using us. So we gotta talk about Tiger. Rumor has it he's not gonna be competing in this week's tournament that's coming up. Masters. People are devastated. Some are saying it would've been entertaining if it would've

• 3:10Patrick Bet-David?

  been, because, you know, who knows what, it would be unpredictable, right? There's an element of it. But who doesn't love Tiger, right? I'm one of those guys that loves Tiger. There's a lot of stories that came out, on conversations, on fights, on ultimatums, and all this stuff. Apparently, King Charles is coming to Congress, and we have some people that are curious to know what's gonna be happening. Trump's ballroom judge says, "Nope, timeout, we're not doing this," and I think he's going to Supreme, is he going to Supreme, is he going to sit down today to see the exchange of conversation? Yes, he is. He will be in the audience. President will be sitting down in the audience. Wait, Pat, so you mean a king is coming after we just had a no kings? Well, they, the no kings protest, I mean, listen, it's important stuff there, Vinny, because we can't have a king here. God.

• 3:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And then Trump's addressing the nation tonight at 9 o'clock. Nobody know what it's about. They're wondering if, you know, was he not happy with some of the trade deadlines? Was he not happy about some of the, no one knows what he's gonna be talking about. Scott Jennings dropped it a little bit. Some people from the White House apparently leaked some information to the news that they're speculating what he's gonna be talking about. We'll address that today. Maloney is apparently not that happy. Dow went up 1100 yesterday. It's up half a point today. Oil is right below a hundred dollars, based on what Tom just told me a minute ago. Oracle is about to lay off. You know, they say 12 to 18% their workforce. These are rumors that are speculating. They got 162,000 employees. That's 20 to 30,000 employees. Rob, can we see what the average salary at Oracle is?

• 4:39Patrick Bet-David?

  We know at Meta was 379. And then some old clips from the president came out. I got a clip of Miley Cyrus I want to show to you guys on what she said, which was very interesting. Professor Jang, do I say professor Jang or teacher Jang? Well, I don't know how to say, do I say high school?

• 4:55Adam Sosnick?

  Comrade, comrade Jang. Comrade.

• 4:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what to say, but anyways, I mean, he, listen, good content creator, good storyteller. He's got good angles. He had a sit down with Mehdi Hassan. And out of all the people in the world that I didn't think would have challenged him the way that he did, kudos to Mehdi. Mehdi came up and just guns blazing asked the question. So some people are claiming you may be tied to the Chinese. Is that true? Is that not? It's a fair question to ask. He addressed, by the way, if you live in Canada, guys are messaging me saying, Pat, on Instagram, we can't see what Valuetainment does. You know, stories, Canada doesn't allow. That is true. We're banned in Canada. But guess what else may be banned in Canada? If you get up on stage and you say something from the Bible that contradicts some people in offense the LGBTQ, that may be considered hate speech.

• 5:41Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, no.

• 5:42Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's about to become law in the great country of Canada. That's coming soon. Mail and Order is a story that's coming in with that. And then a few other stories. Hopefully we'll make it through all these stories that we have here. Having said that, a couple of things I do want to tell you guys. We got a lot of messages, Pat, you know, Monday, who do I go to if we don't have the podcast? We were expecting, we changed the business podcast. Yesterday I sat down with Lee Strobel for two hours. Great conversation, the author of Case for Christ. Tomorrow, we're going to have Richard Werner to talk about the economy. And I'm very excited about talking about it with him because he's got very good angles he goes through. But to those of you guys, that message, thousands of you that message saying, we miss you. We want to hear the conversations. We want to hear the exchange. And the podcast keeps climbing. Every time we're doing a podcast, it climbs.

• 6:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And it happens because of you guys. And I'm grateful for you. And for the 51% of you guys that tune in on a weekly basis, we would like to take that down to 25%. 51 of you, 51% of you that watches this. Who doesn't subscribe, it would mean the world to us if you do so. We're real close to getting past 3 million. We'd like to take this thing to 5 million subs and take the item into 10 million subs. The item is right now at 7.1 million subscribers. And that only happens with your help. So if you don't mind subscribing and subscribing to the channel, that would be wonderful. We're grateful for that. And then next, many of you said, hey, I couldn't make it to the SLS. We have people from 40 plus countries attend Sales Leadership Summit, the greatest event we ever had. And if you're watching this yourself saying, how do I get the recording?

• 7:12Patrick Bet-David?

  How do I get what the event was all about? Rob, is this the clip? If you want to play the clip, go for it. This was the SLS at the end of the meeting. This is the SLS event that we just had. Go for it, Rob. We just finished the 2026 Sales Leadership Summit at Trump Doral. People are literally just leaving right now. The greatest event we ever have. Content I've never spoken on before and it's 250 page manual. If you want to be one of the first to get the recording, it's officially available. Click on the link below, place your order, the type of content to help your sales team. Go to the next level. All right, there you go. There's a QR code. Click on the link below as well to purchase the recording. I've never had an event. We had never have we had an event like this where we had this many companies over $100 million attend this event.

• 7:56Patrick Bet-David?

  We've never had, we had a guy sitting in the corner of my table at $300 million. Flew him from Finland. At six guys sitting on this side with $100 million. Guy sitting right across from me, $375 million EBITDA is what he had. Another guy in the corner, toilet paper business doing 220 million a year from Miami. Incredible quality. If you want to find out more about the event, click on the link below, get the recording. It's officially available for you to get. Having said that, let's get right into it. Opening topic that I want to address with you guys is this. Adam, you were on the Dave Smith, you and Dave Smith did a debate together on, what do you call it? On Pierce Morgan. I think that's the first time you were ever on.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 8:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Obviously, the market has responded and they've been, you know, saying their thoughts on how it went. What you did, what was said. Davis retweeted and said something about this is the end of Adam funeral. He made some comments that went viral. You've responded, you made some videos at him as well. But I just want to kind of get, because a lot of times from the audience, you have to know how this works. The audience sits there and watches and says, I know for a fact Pat prepped him and the team prepped him and this and this and that. And they don't know what happens. I want you to share with us, because the audience is curious, they're asking me, what is your impression on how you did on the debate with Dave Smith?

• 9:16Adam Sosnick?

  Well, despite what you think, I haven't listened or watched any of the internet comments, zero. Like I have, like I don't go onto Twitter, I don't check the comments, it's just not something that I do. Some people are messaging me on my neck, what do you think? I don't know, people are saying stuff. And I'm listening to a song called Ain't Nothing Gonna Break A Mas' Drive, Ain't Nothing Gonna Slow Me Down. And that's how I feel about this. So they told me last minute, hey, you're gonna go on Pierce Morgan, sure, I think Tom was maybe gonna do it. Tom wasn't able to do it, they called me up, I said, sure, I'll debate Dave Smith. Listen, there's no doubt that Dave Smith is smart, or wise, or well-read.

• 9:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 9:52Adam Sosnick?

  The same thing could be said about when you debated a room full of 20 communists on Jubilee. They were all very smart, I was very impressed by all these people. But just because you're smart doesn't mean you're wise. Now, do I think Dave Smart is, Dave Smith is smart and capable? Sure. Do I think he's funny? No. Do I think he's right? Definitely not.

• 10:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm asking you, how do you think you did?

• 10:14Adam Sosnick?

  I think I did fine, I, my intention wasn't to be, play nice. So I went on Pierce Morgan, I don't really have plans, I'm going on Pierce Morgan every single day. That's not my thing, it's a food fight every single day, respect to Pierce Morgan. I wanted to make some waves, that was my methodology, I could be right, I could be wrong, I don't care.

• 10:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you said you don't care?

• 10:31Adam Sosnick?

  No, meaning like I don't care what the market thinks of me.

• 10:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 10:35Adam Sosnick?

  I know what I believe, I know who I am, I know what I stand for. I stand for what America stands for. Dave Smith, what pissed me off, he continues to say that America is the greatest terrorist regime in the world.

• 10:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So what?

• 10:48Adam Sosnick?

  And that the, and that Israel is the greatest terrorist regime in the Middle East.

• 10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So what? That's his argument.

• 10:53Adam Sosnick?

  Sure. That's his argument. My point was that only 1% of Americans vote for libertarians. He's a hardcore radical libertarian. So when you wrote the book, Choose Your Enemies Wisely, you said, "Who's your enemy?" I said, "I don't know who my enemy is. I don't really have a lot of enemies." You know me, Pat. It's a big difference in the internet and comments in real life. I walk around in real life, I have zero issues.

• 11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't have issues there. That's not the conversation I'm having.

• 11:15Adam Sosnick?

  The conversation that I was just basically establishing is that Dave Smith, as potent as he might be on a podcast, or even on Joe Rogan's for that matter, people don't support this guy. I support our troops. I support America. I support our allies.

• 11:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Joe's had him on 20, 30 times.

• 11:34Adam Sosnick?

  Irrelevant.

• 11:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's not irrelevant. So ask whether you agree with the guy or not. You know, Joe likes Dave, right? So the question you gotta ask yourself is, from my perspective, there is issues, there is approach, there is what's next for you. When I look at everybody in the marketplace, including myself, everybody in a marketplace, including myself, I leave and I say, "Okay, how am I recreating myself for this next phase? What areas do I have where it's a leak for me? What habits do I have that I need to pay attention to?" When we started building an insurance company, yesterday I had Lee Strobel on, we had a great conversation together. One of the guys I would study a lot was Billy Graham.

• 12:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And Billy Graham and his friends, in 1948, they came out with something called the Modesto Manifesto. And at that time, there was a lot of pastors that were getting caught up with young girls. And they came up with this thing saying, "Hey, what are our threats?" And they came up with the threats that they had. It was four things. One of the ones was pastors hooking up with members. Number two was churches taking advantage of the members with money. Number three was the ego of a pastor when you get on stage and you feel like, you know, you are God. Like, some pastors actually become godlike because of how much the church fears them, and they liked anyways. They go through this. I said, "Okay, how do we want to build this company?" It's very hard. So you gotta think about ways to improve. I'm asking you.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  The argument is one end because I don't know if you focused on making a I've seen you make better arguments with Bassem Yosef than you did with Dave Smith. I didn't see you making arguments on Dave Smith. And, and, and the reason why I'm doing this with you openly and I'm talking to you openly with you is there's an element of also representing where you're coming from, where the expectation is, hey, where do you go and be professionals? That's not how I handle debates. I don't handle debates that way. That's not my MO. So if you're close to me and you're handling it that way, that is not my style. I, I, I don't, I don't do, I don't do stuff like that. And Dave and I don't even agree on some of these issues. But if I'm having a conversation, it's about what is this next phase?

• 13:42Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, the reason why I'm having this direct feedback with you publicly is for the following reason. This is how I roll at them. I will give you private feedback and have your back 100%. I've always been like that. This is why my guys like working with me and they know how tough it is at times because I'm always challenging them. But if my private feedback that I'm giving doesn't land and it feels like you have immunity to go run around and say whatever you want and keep saying, I don't give a shit what people say. I do. There's an approach to take about this game. I don't care that we have differences in debates. We, we push each other here and we have arguments and you know, comment, I side with Vinny today. You know what? Today, actually, I side with Adam.

• 14:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, there was a couple of moments we had where you had a couple of clips of like they sided with you. I think Adam's the point today and I'm like, oh, okay, Adam had a point. And then, hey, Tom, no, I'm siding with Tom today. Pat, you were off today. No problem. But it's recreating for the next phase of what is that next phase for you? And that's a very important thing for you to be thinking about. I've had that conversation with him, recreating himself. I've had the conversation with him, recreating himself. I have the conversation openly with me on what I need to recreate. But for me, when I saw that, I'm like, You know, you brought up another guy from the past that beat Dave. Great. You know, you brought up a, no, there, there needs to be the, the, the Adam that I've seen debate that is prepared.

• 15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  He actually would have made some real good points there. And you, by the way, you've been a moderator for Zero Hedge with Dave Smith and, and what do you call it? Uh, Laura Lumer, if I'm not mistaken. Is that what you did? Didn't you moderate? Yeah. And I was a, pretty good job you did as a moderator. So, I don't know. I'm saying this publicly to say, this next phase requires all of us to recreate ourselves. And that includes you, in a big way. And I've said this privately eight weeks ago, nine weeks ago, at that dinner place we went to, and I was very direct with you. But you're, you're cornering me to have to say this publicly to you right now. And you have to make a decision on what you want to do with this next phase. You gotta recreate yourself. It's a very important thing. I'm, I'm being very respectful to you.

• 15:49Patrick Bet-David?

  And you had no idea that I'm gonna go here this morning. You had no clue I'm going, and by the way, I intentionally changed today's business podcast. To, to do this, because obviously Monday I couldn't be here. We had certain things that was going on. This weekend I had, uh, uh, uh, what do you call it? SLS. Uh, SLS. Sean Haddon, he did it last Friday. So I changed everything and Rob and I, we had to talk about it yesterday and calendar to do it this way. But for me, sometimes you know when people say, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. And, and sometimes this is like the Trump effect. Well, Trump doesn't care. Well, Trump doesn't give a shit. Well, Trump doesn't do this. Well, contrary to popular belief, Trump looks at every poll. Trump listens to every comment. Trump listens to every criticism.

• 16:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So what you think that Trump does, I'm not telling you go read the comments the next day and go through all chat. I don't recommend that at all. But I do believe a little bit of criticism to see, well, maybe there's a little bit of credibility there. There's a little bit of value there for me to receive. How can I receive this and recreate myself? Cause if you're not too careful, Adam, and I'll open it up to you guys if you want to say anything. I'll give you the final thoughts and then I'm gonna get on the next story. But I wanted to open up with this, get right into it. Um, is the following. There is no April Fool's jokes today. I don't have one. Okay. So if you guys are expecting an April Fool's joke, I don't have one. This is not an April Fool's joke. I know what day today is. This is not, you know, I've had certain friends of mine that are very good. I used to be very good at the April Fool's stuff. I don't have one today. Maybe I'll have one for you next year when I'm in a, in a different mood. But this is the part I want you to be thinking about.

• 17:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Is the market is going to criticize you. There's a very big difference between the bots. I will, I read a comment yesterday, made the most disrespectful comment to me. And the first thing I did, I went to the account. It got started in February of 2026. It has two followers, follow 6,000 accounts. That's a bot of somebody that created to say it. Forget about the bots. There are some people that are giving real feedback that we have to pay close attention to because, you know, we can disagree, you know, even with the Dave Smith part. Dave Smith's issues, we can sit down and have a debate over the number and I can still do it respectfully.

• 18:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, even when I went to Jubilee, they disrespected me. I didn't disrespect the kids when I spoke to them. Our position has to be a different position. And even when Trump calls out, he still is very paying attention to the likability score that he has. Love him or hate him, people like him. I'll pause. Vinny, any thoughts you had?

• 18:23Adam Sosnick?

  Can I just respond real quick?

• 18:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course, absolutely.

• 18:25Adam Sosnick?

  So I'll just break this down real quick. We didn't have this discussion prior, just kind of preemptively brought this up and I'm totally okay with it. If I wanted to have a ideological debate with Dave, I would probably rephrase it that the world is a dangerous place and he wants to pretend that he's an ostrich and not engage with anybody. So, you know, to use an analogy, if this guy was a dating coach, he would say, just sit at home all day and wait for women to knock on your door. And that's when you can respond to women. The world doesn't work that way. If you're a sales coach or if you're a sales manager, that's like saying, just stay by the phones.

• 18:56Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think's the outcome of a debate?

• 18:59Adam Sosnick?

  The outcome of a debate?

• 19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Forget Dave Smith. For this isn't a Dave Smith conversation. That could have been Joe, John Doe. I'm not talking.

• 19:04Adam Sosnick?

  But the point is that I'm trying to make was ideologically, we're not aligned.

• 19:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the purpose of a debate?

• 19:09Adam Sosnick?

  To find the truth.

• 19:10Patrick Bet-David?

  The purpose, it's the clash of ideas. So somebody can watch and say, wow, good point. Never thought about it that way. Let me go back and look at it, right? That is the purpose of a debate. The purpose of a debate is for me to get, look at something when, like the moment where Hillary Clinton and Trump are going at it. And Hillary says, you know, you know, him and all his, he didn't pay any taxes and he didn't do this and he didn't do that. And then the moderator asked Trump a question and says, is it true that you paid this? He says, yes. I will use every single tax code that you have, just like all her donors do. And by the way, you've been there for 36 years. How come you've never changed it? So me as the voter sits there and says, that's a very good point. You've been there for 30, that's the debate.

• 19:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It gets people thinking.

• 19:56Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So if I'm going into a debate and I didn't make anybody think, what was the purpose of debate?

• 20:01Adam Sosnick?

  Sure. Well, now, a fair point. The point that I was trying to make is that ideologically, we're not aligned here. I'm supporting Trump. Was I supporting Trump for five, 10 years?

• 20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you were not.

• 20:11Adam Sosnick?

  So I'm all behind Trump. Everybody wants to criticize Trump right now. The thing that I'm basically establishing is the fact that this guy has a luxury of living in America and wants to criticize the heck out of Trump when I'm defending Trump and our troops. The point that I was saying is, I'm defending Trump. Dave's the type of person that'll root for the bad guy in the bad movie. So that's who Dave is. Aside from that, other than that, I understand what you're talking about. The reason that I brought up the Coleman Hughes and I encouraged people to go watch it. This was the, the sort of like the swan song event. Imagine you, you hype up this event. Here's what's going, the SLS is coming this weekend. Here's what's going on. And this debate takes place and it was a 12-0 drubbing. So that's my point. Should I have conveyed it a little bit better? Sure. Should I have not brought up someone else's debate in my debate? Maybe I'll learn that for the next time.

• 20:56Adam Sosnick?

  That's fine. But the reality is this, he got whooped and I called him out on it. That's all it was.

• 21:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but it was, it was your fight and his.

• 21:04Adam Sosnick?

  Sure. For the next time, I'll debate him just heads on. I brought up something that from the past.

• 21:08Patrick Bet-David?

  But my, my feedback isn't actually that. My feedback is, it's okay to pay attention to the pulse of the market. Every once in a while, good feedback's being given. Not 80% of people, not 90% of people, but there are reasonable people that will give you good feedback.

• 21:26Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 21:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And none of us, there's not a single human being in the world that actually likes to be given feedback that we get excited about it. So it's not like anybody likes it. But it's in those moments where your character is being tested to say, you know what? Let me receive some of this and see if there's some good feedback and then process it.

• 21:44Adam Sosnick?

  I'm going to turn this over to Vinnie. I'll just say one thing. You know what Vinnie and I do when you're not around?

• 21:48Patrick Bet-David?

  What's that?

• 21:49Adam Sosnick?

  We say, hey, what feedback do you have for me? What feedback for me? We actually talk. We actually convey. How many times have we done stuff like that?

• 21:54Patrick Bet-David?

  The difference is, you know what the difference is?

• 21:56Adam Sosnick?

  What's that?

• 21:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the difference. So this, this, this event at SLS, I asked a question because I used to always look at my guys and judge them on how hard they work, how great they're on scripts, how many books they read and all this stuff. Eventually, I'm like, let me look at it in a different way. It was, how much information does this guy retain from what I teach? So you teach something, this guy retains 10%, that guy retains 20%, this guy retains 30%. Then, the next thing is, okay, so he's winning on retaining information. He's smarter than you, let's just say hypothetically, right? Okay, now the next part is what? What's after retention? Implementation.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  Execution.

• 22:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So he only implements of the 30% he retained, 5%. He retained 20%, but he executes 20%. You retain 10%, but you, you know, implement 50%. Then it comes to coachability, then it becomes the speed of implementation, then all of that stuff. Feedback is feedback. It's receiving and implementing that matters. That score of coachability, high, low is the difference between you and Vinnie. And that's the coachability marker that I want you to be internalizing for yourself. So, Vinnie, again, I don't want to be on this too long, I want to move on, but if you want to say something, say it.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  This will take me two minutes. From, from a debate point of view, because I'll give both sides. He's never been in this, uh, in this environment, meaning when they send a van, when I go and do these debates with a panel of six, everybody's yelling, talking over each other, people don't realize, you're in a van, you're sitting in the sun in Florida. I'm red, I know you were hot, even what's his name was in there, Jayden was in there. People are like, he's on cocaine. I read the comments because I want to know what, what the temperature is. The, the, the negatives were obviously you referred to another debate, which nobody wants to do. You were a little off, I felt, because I know you as a brother, I know that you were nervous. This is what bothered me, Adam. We are in here, and I know it's going to happen today on this podcast, we're going to, Israel's going to be brought up and we're going to go into it.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  You are, you are amazing at that debate, and I was disappointed because, you know, you're in the moment and you refer to whatever. You have the arsenal, you had the ammunition, you had this big ass arsenal and you just used the pistol. You were just like kind of going after and doing personal. And I was disappointed because I was like, yo, you have it, you have it, you didn't use it. And this is my attitude. When I was young and I'd get my ass whooped, my mom would be like, you're going to go outside and you're going to fight that guy right now. You're not going to sit here and let it fester. I know that you're going to do it, you're going to have to debate him again. You have to do it again.

• 24:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, all right, Tom, you don't look like you have anything to say. It's all good.

• 24:23Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't have anything to say.

• 24:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, it's all your fault. I was filling in for you.

• 24:26Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, no. Pat was very articulate about it. He's got standards. We get feedback. We try to meet those standards. We want to represent well wherever we are.

• 24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, all right, all good. Thank you, Tom. Let's go to the next topic I want to get into. So, Rob, do we want to get into what the President's going to talk about tonight? Sure. Nine o'clock? So, there was an announcement made that tonight, the President, at nine o'clock, will be addressing, be given an address to the nation to provide important update on Iran. A lot of people are speculating what this could be about. Why would there be an emergency? Scott Jennings, yesterday, I think, on CNN or something, kind of alluded to two to three weeks. The war's going to be over. There's a bunch of different... Is this it, Rob? Yes, sir. That Scott brought up. Go ahead and play this clip.

• 25:10Speaker 07

  I think tomorrow night, based on what I'm hearing, we're going to get a couple of things from the President. Probably a recitation of how he sees the last four or five weeks, the military successes we've had, the fact that we've obliterated their navy, we've obliterated most of their missile and drone capacity, and the fact that we did take out the previous regime, and now we're talking to new people that I think the President and the administration believe are somewhat more willing to have a reasonable conversation. I also believe we're probably going to hear how he sees the next two to three weeks, when we will wrap up what he sees as our military objectives, and hopefully, you know, bring our large-scale operations to a conclusion in a way that meets all the objectives. The nuclear stuff, the missiles, the navy.

• 25:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what do you think it's going to be about tonight?

• 25:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I think Scott Jennings is right. There's also been supposedly leaks to major news. It was a journal. I don't have confirmation on those, but the journal apparently had the same thing, was that the President's going to say, "We have a plan. It's two to three weeks." And yesterday, the market bounced a thousand points on the voice of the President just saying, "Hey, you know what? I think we got to wrap this thing up." He said some things that kind of shocked people, where he's like, "Well, you know, it may wrap up, and the Straits of Hormuz may not be exactly open yet. We may have to negotiate that afterwards." But we're going to be leaving very soon. The market loved that and it jumped on it. So it sounds like we're going to hear that and hopefully, Pat, we hear some definitive

• 26:40Tom Ellsworth?

  this to it. And Scott Jennings said it best. We hope that the objectives have been met. So we didn't just go in, have a mess, leave the regime in place, and now those regime are going to bust heads of the poor people who just want a free Iran in the future and the rest of us that want a free Iran without nukes.

• 26:58Adam Sosnick?

  Adam. So Trump is sort of doing an impromptu State of the Union today. We were at the State of the Union, how long ago? When was that? Two weeks ago. That was in about a month ago? Something like that. So this is sort of an updated thesis about what's going on in the State of the Union. And I think he's going to say three things. I don't think this is just going to be about Iran. I think the three things are this. America's back. We have strength, not weakness. And the Joe Biden administration, how many times do you think he's going to bring up Biden? I guarantee you it'll be a handful of times, talking about how weak and inept he was and basically not even running the show over there, that the world, that the world respects the United States again. And, you know, we've had that conversation about respect over being liked. I'm sure Trump would like to be liked, but he'd rather be respected. He'd rather be both. But I think the world respects us again, even if

• 27:43Adam Sosnick?

  they don't like us. That's number one. Number two, he's going to talk about the border because that's basically what he ran on. Not Epstein, not any of this other sort of nonsense that's peripheral. He ran on the border and he shut it down. ICE could have gone better, but he's not going to probably throw ICE under the bus. And he's going to talk about that the Dems represent chaos and he represents law and order. Obviously, there was just a no kings protest this week. Ridiculous. Trump's not a king. So, and the last but not least, I think he's going to bring up what's going on, obviously, in the Islamic Republic of Iran. I'm done referring to them as Iran. They're the Islamic Republic of Iran that took over Greater Persia and Iran. And he's going to talk about stability through strength. I talked about this in the last podcast. I'm also done sort of using the Reagan doctrine, peace through strength. We're never going to have peace. Peace is

• 28:27Adam Sosnick?

  done. All right? You want a piece of you here, a piece of you there, that's what's going to happen when you negotiate with these terrorists. Stability through strength, we just need to have some regional calmness so the world isn't going chaotic. And then that's what I think he's going to do. And last but not least, I think he's going to sprinkle a little bit of the midterms. Because I don't think it's trending in the right direction. But we saw what happened last year when there was supposed to be a red wave. And that never happened. So we'll see what happens this time.

• 28:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny.

• 28:52Speaker 05

  I think, I mean, I think Iran's gonna be on the top of it. I saw a poll yesterday that the majority of Americans are not happy with it, which whatever. It's a war. It's not gonna be clean. Everybody's gonna be like, oh, yeah, I love it. And I saw another thing that the Democrats, apparently, there's a 43% chance that the Democrats are gonna sweep the presidency, the House, and the Senate, which is the first time, I think, in the history that's gonna happen. I think sometimes when, you know, people are talking, everything, the president, the leader of the free world, needs to come out and just say what he has to say. Plain and simple. Come out and say, Adam, you said something about peace, and I've been, I've been thinking about this a lot. Peace in that region, the only way you are ever, I hate when I hear, peace in the Middle East, it's not gonna happen.

• 29:36Speaker 05

  Unless everybody there comes to Christ, I'm being dead serious. Everybody in that, Jew, Muslim, everybody becomes, comes to Christ, you're never gonna have peace. Because Christ is about what? Loving Him and loving your neighbor. All those neighbors, it'll never happen. Nobody wants to talk about that. All of them have to come to Jesus Christ. And I don't want to sound like a preacher out there on a stage. That's the only way. So it's a fallacy to think that they're ever gonna get, they're, oh, we're gonna love and shake hands. It's fake. But I think, but I think he does have to, Pat, he has to come out today and go, hey, guys, listen. Everything that's going on, this is what I want, this is what's gonna happen, and this is what's gonna do. And again, whatever words come out of his mouth, we have to see action, and I get it. I'm one of these people, Pat, that falls for the, I'm very impatient.

• 30:20Speaker 05

  Ask anybody that knows me, when I say I'm gonna do something, I do it. And when somebody says they're gonna do it, I want it like this. And I'm just impatient. I need to teach myself, calm down, he's only been in, he's been in for a year. This war is a couple of weeks in. I don't want it to continue any further or put boots on the ground, which I know we're gonna talk about that. But I trust him. I've said this many times. I trust a guy that since the 80s, guys, and I know we'll get there. 80s has sat.

• 30:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Play the clip, Rob.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, go for it. Pat, this guy, and I, especially during 2016, and he loves this country. He's warned us about China, and in this clip, he warned about Iran. There's no Bibi. Bibi's alive, but there's no Bibi Netanyahu in this moment for everybody that just, it was just so brainwashed. Listen to this clip.

• 31:02Speaker 08

  Because I'm running for the presidency, I'm here because I'm personally tired of seeing this great country of ours being ripped off.

• 31:09Speaker 09

  But as far as Trump is concerned, our allies are only part of the problem. The real culprit is Iran.

• 31:15Speaker 08

  Why couldn't we go in and take over some of their oil, which is along the sea?

• 31:20Speaker 09

  How would you do that? Would you send in the Marines? Would you take a chance in a war?

• 31:24Speaker 08

  Let them have Iran, you take their oil.

• 31:26Speaker 09

  How?

• 31:27Speaker 08

  How?

• 31:28Speaker 09

  I mean, do we want a war? What do we mean, we take their oil?

• 31:31Speaker 08

  You go in.

• 31:32Speaker 09

  How do we go in?

• 31:33Speaker 08

  You're gonna have a war by being weak.

• 31:34Speaker 09

  Okay, how do we go in? What do we do?

• 31:37Speaker 08

  Excuse me. You're going to have a war. And it's going to start in the Middle East.

• 31:41Speaker 09

  What if the Soviet Union said, "You do this to Iran, we're gonna come in"?

• 31:44Speaker 08

  I don't believe they'd do it. The next time Iran attacks this country, go in and grab one of their big oil installations. And I mean, grab it and keep it. And get back your losses, because this country has lost plenty because of Iran.

• 31:57Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you something. What year was that? Was it 1987? He was talking about I might be running for president.

• 32:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Just so you know, 39 years.

• 32:04Adam Sosnick?

  I was seven years old. So, I mean, are you kidding me? If the people that are basically saying that Trump is compromised, this is the one clip that they didn't want coming out. Because he's been sort of piecemealing, "Listen, Iran's never gonna have a nuclear weapon. We're being held hostage by this regime." This is almost 40 years ago. He's basically saying, "I'd go in and do exactly what he's doing now." This hurts everybody's credibility that's basically trying to compromise Donald Trump. I actually wish that he ran for president then, because he wouldn't be dealing with this 40 years later. Because right now, he's basically cleaning up the mess that every single president and every single leader would not deal with.

• 32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I think no matter when you run, I think no matter when you run, I'm convinced this argument's not gonna be a way. I think there's always gonna be a community that's gonna come and say, "You guys are owned by Israel, you're a puppet, you're this, you're that, you know. Bibi tells you what to do." I think that's gonna happen. I think no matter when you run, they're gonna say, because in Iran, when you run, they would call the Shah that he is a, his puppet masters are the presidents of, he's a puppet of people in the US. You know, and then there's always gonna be the Elizabeth Warrens are gonna say, "These rich people are too rich, and we gotta tax them." There's always gonna be the people that wanna go to war, there's certain... Players are always going to be there no matter when you run for office. I think one thing that the president's probably thinking about tonight.

• 33:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, if you got that clip of him being asked about Iran has threatened to hit some companies and do this. And his answer may be one of his best answers I've heard because apparently folks, Iran has access to certain weapons. Like I just want you guys to know when he explained to some of you guys are going to be concerned with this. And you need to be. This is very scary because President Trump just leaked what weapons Iran has. Not a fan. That is, go ahead, go ahead, Rob.

• 33:46Speaker 10

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web. Like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block. Or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required compatibility and availability varies 18 plus.

• 34:11Speaker 11

  This episode is brought to you by Indeed. You're ready to level up your business, but the pressure to find the right person to make that happen is intense. Indeed sponsored jobs can help carry the load. It boosts your job post to help it reach quality talent fast. Cut through the chaos with Indeed sponsored jobs. Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring now, then this is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs.

• 34:41Speaker 12

  Visible puts the ultimate wireless hack in the palm of your hand. With unlimited 5G wireless data and hotspot designed to keep you connected. Powered by Verizon's 5G network. And no contract holding you back. Plans start at $25 a month. Or get the premium Visible Plus Pro plan and save $10 on your first month. When you use promo code hack. Make the switch at visible.com. Terms apply. See visible.com for details.

• 35:11Speaker 13

  Now at Kroger, your points add up to more ways to save every trip. Use them your way to take dollars off groceries at checkout or save at the pump. You can even save up to $35 on your next fill-up. Same points, more choices. And with low prices on fresh, quality food, plus digital and personalized offers tailored to how you shop, your dollar goes further. Redeem your points online or in the app. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details.

• 35:41Speaker 14

  When you spend enough time around great companies, you notice that the best ones treat trust as a growth strategy, not a box to check. Vanta helps companies build and prove trust from day one. Its Agentic Trust Platform connects compliance, risk, and trust at enterprise scale. Vanta delivers a 526% return on investment over three years and pays for itself in just three months. Learn why over 16,000 of the fastest-growing companies use Vanta at vanta.com.

• 36:12Speaker 15

  The Iranian government threatened a bunch of US companies today in the region, including Google, Apple.

• 36:19Speaker 16

  With what? What did they threaten them with? PB guns?

• 36:22Speaker 15

  Well, that's a good question.

• 36:24Speaker 16

  They don't have much left to threaten.

• 36:25Speaker 15

  My question for you is, are you...

• 36:26Speaker 16

  I don't know. I mean, what are they... You made a statement. What did they threaten them with? I don't know. Tell me, how did they threaten them?

• 36:34Speaker 15

  All I know is that they threatened them, sir.

• 36:35Speaker 16

  What does that mean?

• 36:37Speaker 15

  Fair enough.

• 36:37Speaker 16

  He said something nasty.

• 36:39Speaker 15

  Do you have... Is the government in touch with these companies? Are you helping to backstop them?

• 36:43Speaker 16

  You don't even know what the threat was. What was the threat? I haven't heard it. What was the threat?

• 36:48Speaker 15

  I'll get back to you.

• 36:48Speaker 16

  Did they say they're gonna blow them up? They're gonna hit them? They're not... You know what they're not gonna do? They're not gonna hit them with a nuclear weapon.

• 36:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Bingo.

• 36:54Speaker 15

  Is this something you're concerned about, sir?

• 36:56Speaker 16

  No.

• 36:57Speaker 17

  Iran's RGC issued a warning that they will target 18 US technology companies if the US continues targeted assassinations of Iranian leaders, beginning on April 1st. Those companies, they gave the video...

• 37:08Speaker 16

  Most of those people are dead already?

• 37:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So anyways, I think a part of tonight, if you think about it, there's a few things that's going on that he has to find a way to accelerate getting this war done with. I think he has to do that. I don't think he has the people like he thinks he has to extend this. I think if he, if he continues, you know, at the beginning when they started, everybody was like, "Three to four weeks." I'm like, "Nah, it's probably three to six months." What are we at now, by the way? What day are we at right now, Rob? What's the exact date? Thirty-nine, forty? What's the date? I don't know the exact. Did we go on the first? It's been exactly one month. Is it exactly one month? Feels like 12 years. Yeah, so what day did it start? Day 32, okay? Is that what it says, Rob? Is that today's? Day 32. So, day 32, I said three to six months.

• 37:55Patrick Bet-David?

  They have to get it wrapped up. If he gets it wrapped up, here's what could end up happening. There's gonna be the far woke right or the left that are gonna say, you know, "But it cost you this and it did this and who cares?" Compared to Afghanistan and Iraq, it was still a bad one. We should have never gone and done it. Okay, the, the, the 1% that you're not gonna win, set those aside because that's noise. That's gonna be there, no problem. Then there's gonna be the guys that no matter what he does, he can't do anything wrong again. I do think if this thing goes past three to six months, I don't think it's gonna be a favorable thing for them at all. I think if it goes anywhere near midterms, it'll be destruction. It'll be the kind of loss they haven't seen in a long time. And that's gonna be on his resume if that happens. So I do think he understands this.

• 38:39Patrick Bet-David?

  See, this is the part about Trump that most people don't give him enough credit for. He, he does this. He's always doing this. Checking the polls. He is checking. It's something everybody has to be doing. He does this. He's checking the polls and he, he asks, "What, what, what is the market saying? What are people saying? Who's not happy? Who said what? What's going on? What's trending? What's..." He wants to hear from everybody on what's going on. One of the things he realizes, "Do you really wanna go into the World Cup having a war going on? I don't think so." You said it's not gonna be a long one. I think one of the main concerns he has is he's gotta get this thing wrapped up fairly quickly, rather than longer. But he also learned something because what did Maloney come out and say, Rob? What's the thing that Maloney came out and said? Do you have that clip?

• 39:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Maloney apparently came out and you know, everybody remembers when Maloney was running was like, "Oh my God, she's so great, Italy, she's conservative, she's gonna be able to do this to Italy, we need somebody like this." And then apparently Maloney came out a little bit criticizing, you know, "Iran, Italy refuses US aircraft use of Sicily's base for Middle East operations", sources say. This is yesterday, okay, this is yesterday. So he also learned with NATO, NATO wanted US to fund the hell out of Ukraine and help them out, but, and that's not even our war, but now when US comes out with a decision on something they want to do, NATO says no. So I, I think some of these relationships, they're gonna be tricky moving forward. I think he learned a lot about all his enemies. I think Rubio learned a lot about a lot of his enemies.

• 40:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Rubio's gonna be seeing what's gonna happen in 2028 when he's running to campaign. This led to a number coming up, Rob, of where, you know, JD Vance is at versus Rubio. I don't know if you guys saw the recent reports of how big of a climb. Do we have that article here as well, Rob, where, you know, numbers came up with JD going lower, Rubio going higher. I just think there's a lot of stuff that's going on that Trump needs to know. Uh, he knows, he knows that if he continues, is this it, Rob, the plus minus? Yes, sir. Yeah, watch this, folks. I want you to watch the plus minus. Forget, there's nothing that matters more than the plus minus. Go ahead, Rob.

• 40:46Speaker 18

  But that is down 8% from 2025, moving up is Rubio to 35%.

• 40:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Plus 33.

• 40:53Speaker 18

  He's up 33%.

• 40:55Patrick Bet-David?

  DeSantis down 5, I think he'll be there.

• 40:57Speaker 18

  He's down from 5%.

• 40:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Junior 2, Cruz, Hexet.

• 41:00Speaker 18

  Ted Cruz.

• 41:01Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a couple of names that are not here that will be there next year as well, in 2027, 2028, when they run. I think there's a lot of things going on. I think the president, you can pause it right there, I think the president want this thing to be over and move on. Uh, and, and there's gonna be a lot of criticism to say, did we finish it? Did it end? Did you finish the job? Was it a regime change? He said the other day, he says, "The regime change already happened three times since we started a war." Cause he's saying, "They killed the first guy, they killed the next layer." So he said, "We've done three regime changes already in a month." I mean, he's being factual. He's being factual about saying something like that, but the regime collapse hasn't happened yet. Tom, I'm gonna come to you. This whole thing with Pentagon and...

• 41:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, sending troops and Iran is just lining up ready for that with the update of USS Tripoli. We saw the video with all the ships, how close they're getting. What is the latest with that, Tom?

• 41:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, the US has dispatched another aircraft carrier from Newport. They've dispatched the Nimitz to go to the Mediterranean in support that left Virginia, I believe it is. And so, all the show of force and all the resources are there. The Tripoli is there, the Boxer is right behind it now, which is another assault carrier. And so, everything is being set up. All the chess pieces are there for whatever final onslaught they want to make. Carg Island, the, I'm going to pronounce it terribly, Coast or Carrar Island, which is the Long Island, which is right at the hook of the Strait of Hormuz. So, either

• 42:35Tom Ellsworth?

  one of those. So, all the military assets, Pat, are there to take advantage of it. And then, as you properly pointed out, you know, you have NATO flip-flopping. They're reacting to energy prices. They're reacting to, you know, their own polling at home. So, what do they do? "Oh, well, we're not completely with them," Spain says. "We'll close the airspace." "Oh, we'll close the airspace," says France. "Oh, you can't use, you know, Sicily," says Italy. So, it's like, come on. You know, you guys gotta, either you're going to be allies or you're not going to be allies. But right now, all of the assets are there. I'm anxious to hear what he says tonight, but everything is there. If they want to take Carg Island or they want to get hot, everything is there, as well as what people, we have moved over

• 43:19Tom Ellsworth?

  there, a ton of A-10 Warthogs. And the A-10 Warthog is a massive Gatling cannon with an airplane attached. And so, we have everything we need over there. And then, this weekend, Pat, we're hearing that B-52s, which is a 70-year-old platform, are flying bombing missions unmolested. So, the surface-to-air missiles, Vinny, all those things that you would come up against are not happening. So, it's like, we need to get on to the surrender or whatever it is, Pat, and I think we got all the assets in position.

• 43:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny?

• 43:55Speaker 05

  Well, when they say, you know, boots on the ground, which we've been hearing since this started...

• 43:59Patrick Bet-David?

  While you're saying that, play that clip about the reporter trying to do a gotcha with Pete Hexit of Boots on the Ground, Rob. You may want to play that clip, and Vinny, I'll come to you. Go for it.

• 44:07Speaker 19

  ... coverage that suggested a ground invasion is imminent. What other purposes might the soldiers and the Marines who have been deployed over to the Middle East serve in this conflict?

• 44:19Speaker 20

  Well, just like the previous question, it's sort of military 101. Don't tell your enemy what you're willing to do or not do, and don't tell your enemy when you're willing to stop, especially an enemy that likes to hide in bunkers and try to hoard their missiles and hope you'll wait you out. So that's not a question I'm going to answer, or the President has said definitively, we have our own goals and guidance and things we're military objectives that we're moving toward and things that we look at. And as he's articulated, you know, he's said four to six weeks, six to eight weeks, three, it could be any, any particular number, but we would never reveal precisely what it is. Because our goal is to finish those objectives. And we're well on our way. And the Chairman and I look at this every single day.

• 45:03Speaker 20

  It will be the President's determination and the President's determination alone.

• 45:06Speaker 05

  I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm, you know, a military strategist, but, I mean, he's the Department of War, he's, he's, he's the leader, he makes fantastic points, you don't tell the enemy. But if this does, because they're saying that they want to send ground troops, that's where it gets dangerous. The moment boots hit the ground, you have to think about this, Pat. Iranian drones, the missiles, ground fire, explosives, mines, all that. And I have to be honest, I'm with you in the three to six, but now with, with ground troops, I think it goes a little bit past six months, potentially a year. Because think about it.

• 45:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You can go six to 12 months.

• 45:40Speaker 05

  I think, I think it'll go, I, I think.

• 45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  If it goes six to 12 months.

• 45:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  It's going to be a bloodbath in.

• 45:45Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but look, so let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Here's a question for you, for all of you, Tom. So let's just say it goes, one, say they go, regime collapse, they go in similar to Venezuela, they take over, IRGC is done, one. Two, they say they got rid of all the nuclear weapons, all the nuclear capabilities, everything, that's the next case, two. Three, they just get out and they do a PR messaging, we got the job done, we did what, we went there what we were supposed to do, but everybody's like, wait a minute, messaging was off. You said you're going to do this, you said you're going to do that, you said you're going to do this, but none of that stuff happened, right? Which one, which event that happens between now and the midterms is going to help Republicans the most?

• 46:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Which event?

• 46:33Speaker 05

  I think option two.

• 46:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is what?

• 46:36Speaker 05

  We went in there, we took out all their enriched uranium and all that stuff and now we're gonna help them, I guess, with leadership or something, like with Reza Palavia, who said, "I'm gonna wait for all this craziness to stop and then I'm gonna come in and help them."

• 46:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Is there anything they can do with Iran for it to be favorable for Republicans during midterm? Give me the most favorable situation for it to happen, for the market to be like, "Oh my god, he did it again, they're gonna sweep, you know, midterms is gonna be insane." What is that one event that could happen with Iran?

• 47:10Speaker 05

  The most favorable is, because Bibi just came out, I told Rob, I sent this to Rob, Rob, you don't have to pull up, Bibi Netanyahu has declared that Iran is no longer poses an existential threat to Israel. That means they're, all the weapons to hit Israel is gone, which is great news, okay? The only way, Pat, that this, like, the best news is, guys, all the uranium, all the missiles are gone, and by the way, we've been kind of on the side, having leadership, like, having a government where the people want this guy, they want Reza and this guy, and guys, they're gonna start taking over, which we don't have to put, no regime change or nothing, the people have chosen. That's the only way people are gonna be like, "Okay, you guys kept it kind of secret, but, okay, good for you."

• 47:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam?

• 47:52Adam Sosnick?

  I'm actually very glad that you're asking this question, because this is the number one question. All I've been focusing on is the signal through the noise of what's going on here. So Rubio came out and said it. Here it is, he says, "You wanna know what the objectives of the war?"

• 48:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Actually, play that clip.

• 48:06Adam Sosnick?

  Here they are.

• 48:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Actually, play that clip, it was yesterday. Yeah, play the clip of what Rubio said, and then Adam, I'll come back to you.

• 48:12Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not even sure if this is the clip, but go ahead.

• 48:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I think this is it, what he's saying. People are asking what the objective of this is.

• 48:17Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, perfect, I didn't see this, but I saw another clip, go ahead.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  Many Americans are asking, "Why did the United States have to attack Iran now?" Well, let me explain. Iran wants to have nuclear weapons. Of that, there is zero doubt. If what they truly wanted, which is what they claim, is nuclear energy, well, they could have nuclear energy, like all the other countries in the world have it, and that is, you import the fuel and you build reactors above ground. That's not what Iran has done. They build the reactor- and their facilities deep in mountains away from the public glare and they want to enrich that material the same equipment that they could use to enrich material for energy they could use to quickly enrich it to weapons grade so it is clear that they've been offered every opportunity to have a nuclear program that allows them to have energy not weapons and

• 49:02Speaker 04

  every single time they have turned it down but why the attack now well what was iran trying to do iran was trying to build a conventional shield in essence have so many missiles have so many drones that no one could attack them and they were well on their way we were on the verge of an iran that had so many missiles and so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future that was an intolerable risk under no circumstances can a country run by radical shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future ever possess nuclear weapons and under no circumstances can they be allowed to hide and protect that program and their ambitions behind a shield of missiles and drones that no one can

• 49:44Speaker 04

  do anything about this was our last best chance to eliminate that conventional threat that conventional shield that they were trying to build and the president made the right decision to wipe it out now that is the goal of this operation to destroy their conventional missiles and their drone program so they can't hide behind it and finally have to deal with the world seriously about never ever having nuclear

• 50:07Adam Sosnick?

  yeah I mean listen sometimes you don't need to debate a million different things when someone comes out and tells you now here's the question I'll ask do you believe rubio because for me when I see rubio I have a very calm presence I know he's not gonna say anything bombastic I know he's not gonna try to antagonize people I actually think that rubio is a very stabilizing voice in the trump administration and the poll that we just showed proves it did it not

• 50:30Speaker 21

  thirty three yeah

• 50:31Adam Sosnick?

  so to me this is how I how I process this this is a moral and just war that needed to get done trump is the man of the hour and he needed to be the person to do this we've done 1987, he talked about this. How many presidents have we had since then? 10 different presidents, whatever it's been? Nobody's done anything. Or they haven't done anything that enough to basically mitigate this threat from Iran. So Rubio come out there and says, "Listen, guys, there's three very clear objectives." Number one, we're gonna completely destroy their military. All their capabilities, their air force, their navy, their ballistic missiles. Why? Because they have this shield. How many times did he mention shield in that little two-minute speech? At least three times. Because basically shielding their nuclear ambitions. And yes, they have nuclear ambitions, that's not even a doubt.

• 51:15Adam Sosnick?

  Last but not least, we're gonna defeat their terror network, which was, they've done with their allies, Israel namely. And so they can't basically fly their planes, which we just took out their air force. So they can't fly their planes to drop off weapons to Hezbollah or to Hamas or the Houthis. So to me, this is stability through strength. Iran is never... Listen, I know you've talked about being sort of like the doomsday approach. "We gotta take 'em all out." In my approach, this is it. We're completely defanging these people, they use that term. "You guys wanna be radicals, you wanna be Shiite radical Muslims, go right ahead." "You wanna kill your own people, do you, buddy." "We think you're disgusting, we don't agree with you." "If you wanna do this thing in your neck of the woods, that's all you."

• 52:00Adam Sosnick?

  "But you're not gonna hold the rest of the world hostage like North Korea." And I'm so glad that Trump and Rubio have this moral clarity to mitigate this cancer now.

• 52:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what you just made me think about, what the president could announce tonight? Let me tell you what he could announce tonight. You know what would be a massive announcement tonight? How much has the war cost so far? Is it 33 billion, 35 billion, 40 billion? What's the number, Rob? How much has the war cost us so far? What's the number? Uh, no, it's a higher number than that. I saw 25 billion. Okay, let's just say, let's say 25 to 35 billion dollars.

• 52:37Adam Sosnick?

  And then they ask for an extra, I think, 200 billion?

• 52:40Patrick Bet-David?

  200 million? Billion.

• 52:42Adam Sosnick?

  With a B.

• 52:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, they asked for 200 billion. But let's say so far, it's cost 25 to 35 billion dollars, okay? Imagine he comes out tonight and he says, "Hey, big announcement."

• 52:56Patrick Bet-David?

  We just officially finalized a deal that UAE, MBS, Qatar, and the Gulf States have decided to fund the war against Iran. Mm-hmm. You won't be paying for it. They have decided, and here's what the message is from them. Now what do they say? So imagine, so the argument of finances and taxes. Yep. That goes away. He says, imagine how much the people who are against this war, they said finances first. Imagine how important this has to be to the Gulf States, where they're sitting there saying, "We don't want any of this." I want to play you two clips. "We don't want any of this so much that, guess what? We're willing to pay for it." Good. You know how you got 18 trillion dollars of companies that committed,

• 53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  and countries that committed to investing here? What is it to couple these Gulf States to say, "I'll give you 200 billion dollars." "We'll fund it." "We'll pay for it." If that announcement is made tonight. Wow. But let me tell you, it shuts a lot of people up. Let me tell you why I think that's a possibility. Rob, do you have that clip from MBS explaining what his thoughts were? Uh, I think I sent that to you. You should have it somewhere where he's talking about Iran. And then after that, I want you to go to one other clip, and then I want to go to the other stories. If you don't have it, I can text it to you. It was in my notes, by the way. Okay. Uh, let me just send this over. It's in my notes. I'll just text it to you, Rob. I'll make it easier for you. Uh, Rob and I, you know, listen, we text 50, 100 times during the podcast that nobody knows. Rob, we're on texting mode at this point. Rob, if you want to go to,

• 54:26Patrick Bet-David?

  uh, I just texted it to you. Right, right there. I want you to watch this. MBS, who is MBS? Mohammed bin Salman. The king. Pretty heavy-duty guy, right? Play this clip. Play this clip. Go ahead, Rob. Go ahead.

• 54:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Read. "Most of the destructive projects are currently found in the Middle East, and right next to us in the Kingdom of Saudi, there's an Iranian regime that we all know has a purely ideological goal. Its aim is not to serve the interests of Iran or the Iranian people, but rather to serve the Iranian ideological interests." "There has been plenty of evidence over the past 30 years, the most recent being when they received the 150 billion dollars and didn't even build a single street housing complex. Their goal is clear that they only spend that money on launching missiles at Saudi and supporting terrorist organizations in many parts of the world. Furthermore, the Iranian regime's work in supporting terrorism is not limited to Hezbollah or Houthis."

• 55:22Patrick Bet-David?

  We find today that many of Al Qaeda's leaderships are based in Iran,

• 55:28Patrick Bet-David?

  including the son of Osama bin Laden, who was nurtured and raised in Iran.

• 55:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And now is trying to become the next leader of Al Qaeda. We are all aware of the risks and we are communicating on how to deal with them.

• 55:42Patrick Bet-David?

  To ensure that the entire world is safe and secure, whether in the Middle East, Europe, or anywhere else.

• 55:50Patrick Bet-David?

  From these destructive ideologies. Okay, so you watch this. And who knows their neighbors better than a guy that lives in that community? Nobody. So if I was to ask you right now, you live in a community, and imagine I'm telling you what your neighborhood is like. You don't know them. And you've lived there for 20 years, but you're like, what the hell are you talking about? It's not like that. Yeah. I lived there. Yeah. Okay? Do you know in Saudi, if you go around committing crime, what they do to you in Saudi? You know what the tolerance is? Oh, you're finished? If they, if you steal, do they still chop your hand off? Do you know what the tolerance they have there for crime? Do you know what they'll do to you if you go speak radical languages? Now, I want you to see supporters of IRGC in the streets, how they're speaking. I want you to watch how this woman speaks. And tell me if you think in their hearts where they're at. Go. These are civilians. These are not leaders.

• 56:35Patrick Bet-David?

  These are civilians giving a message to the president. Go ahead, Rob.

• 56:39Speaker 10

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration blog, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies. 18 plus.

• 57:05Speaker 11

  This episode is brought to you by Indeed. You're ready to level up your business, but the pressure to find the right person to make that happen is intense. Indeed sponsored jobs can help carry the load. It boosts your job post to help it reach quality talent fast. Cut through the chaos with Indeed sponsored jobs. Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring now? Then this is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs.

• 57:35Speaker 12

  Visible puts the ultimate wireless hack in the palm of your hand. With unlimited 5G wireless data and hotspot, designed to keep you connected. Powered by Verizon's 5G network. And, no contract holding you back. Plans start at $25 a month. Or get the premium Visible Plus Pro Plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code HACK. Make the switch at visible.com. Terms apply. See visible.com for details.

• 58:04Speaker 22

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the HouseMajorityPac.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 58:34Speaker 23

  USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day, like superheroes and sidekicks, or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. Tap the banner to learn more and get a quote at usaa.com/bundle. Restrictions apply.

• 58:48Speaker 24

  ...to Trump. We're not scared. You can't scare us. You are Iranians. We're not scared. We're not scared of your bombs. You lack what we don't. You lack faith. What we don't. We have our faith. Listen. We have our faith on our soil, on our country, on our leadership, which you don't. You don't have courage. We have. You lack... Your soldiers lack courage. Your soldiers lack courage. Our soldiers don't lack courage. So remember that. You're the loser. You're the loser in this war. That's for sure. You already have lost, and you know that.

• 59:31Speaker 25

  جنگ جنگ تا تنبیه بشن جنگ تا جنگ تا لحظه که خونه انتقام خونه عزیزمونو بگیریم جنگ دومد آتش بست مانی نداده دوباره برون تچیز بشن بازبار کردن نه

• 59:46Patrick Bet-David?

  This is to yeah So just letting you know on where they're at right support but I live with these people I live with them there was two channels that they're repeating things over and over and over again I want to give credit to Pierce Pierce had one of the spokesperson on and the guy almost walked out I don't know if you guys have seen this clip or not where he pushes back he says respectfully there's a big difference between you guys and us okay is this it Rob go click on this one I'll let you know if this is the one or not

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  I tell you what we'll end it like this I've had you on my show many many times right when do I get invited on Iranian state television ah you've gone

• 1:00:23Speaker 26

  I invited you to Iran Pierce I invited you to Iran

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  I'll do it like you do I'll do it like you do down the barrel of a camera you put me on Iranian state television and let me say what I think about Iranian state television in the way that I let you come on my show and criticize my country and the United States and the West fair's fair right professor because you've got freedom of speech in Iran there's no problem in me Pierce Morgan going on Iranian state television and hammering your regime only you won't let that happen and the regime won't let it happen because amongst the many things that you repress the biggest thing you repress is freedom of speech that's why you can't talk out against your regime and that's why you wouldn't let me go on state TV

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  in Iran and talk out against your regime and that is the difference between us so you can try and take the high moral ground but the reality is that is the difference

• 1:01:22Patrick Bet-David?

  The best I've seen Pierce Morgan do by far but it's a point to understand what that climate is so if tonight the president gets up and announces that the Gulf states have agreed to fund everything that we're spending the market is gonna be confused on what angle to take with this and they're gonna be like yeah but yeah but yeah but so at least one of the issues with money's been addressed so the other issues that he has to address as well which is the bigger one what's the other one

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  When it's over.

• 1:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  When it's over, are troops on the ground, like, is that gonna happen? So how they're gonna address that, nobody knows, you know, Hex had said three weeks ago, that's president's decision if he wants to do it. He has a choice to do it, but I guarantee you, he is thinking about every single one of these things. Let's say the Pentagon prepares for weeks of ground invasion, Vinny, I'll come to you and I want to go to next.

• 1:02:12Speaker 05

  Okay, and I'll do a fact, and the only, Pat, the only thing that bothers me, A, ground troops, because it's our soldiers. I don't want any of our men, women, dying. The only thing that bothers me, Pat, because Adam, you brought up Israel for a second. They're saying that they're not gonna send any ground. I don't even think I brought up Israel. No, you did earlier, no, you did earlier, you did, and you talked about the people, but I'll get to that too. Israel's not gonna send any ground troops, because it does not have the logistics to sustain the forces that far from home. But, the one thing that pisses me off is, like, right now, they have boots in the ground in Lebanon, and they're actually seizing land. They're creating a buffer zone. Whose boots? Israeli boots. No, no, that's what I'm saying, and Tom, and Adam, I want to hear your opinion on this.

• 1:02:54Speaker 05

  They have boots on the ground, they're seizing land, it's so, you're not gonna put boots in the ground in Iran, which, by the way, this war is for both of us, allegedly, more for Israel than us. But then you have people there, you have your boots on the ground, 600,000 of those Lebanese people have to move out, they say that they're gonna be able to come back. And that's what, like, that tells me clearly that the logistics is for them when it serves their objectives. And I said this on the first podcast we did on the stage in the other building. If we send a thousand of our American troops, I want 1,000 Israeli boots on the ground as well. But from what I'm hearing, Adam, from what they're saying, it's not gonna happen, okay?

• 1:03:32Speaker 05

  And like, what do we, like, I disagree with that 1,000%, and earlier you said something about, hey, if they want to kill each other, and whatever, the people, whatever. This whole thing started. My, from what I remember, is for the Iranian people. The Iraq, by the way, who we haven't heard a-

• 1:03:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I have your back.

• 1:03:51Speaker 05

  I have your back, and I haven't heard one. This guy that we just saw, he has wifi. He's sitting in a room, he's talking to Piers Morgan. What happened to the people? I haven't heard anything, I haven't heard any updates. Uh, and that's, that's what I care about, cuz to me, besides the missiles in the, in your uranium, what about the thousands that were in the street fighting and dying? And, and, and pushing out their voices? And the, the wrestlers that were being hanged in the middle of the street? That's what this comes down to. And I'm very disappointed that Israel's attitude is, nah, we're not gonna, we're not gonna put troops. Meanwhile, we're trying to expand somewhere else. And then when you bring up the Greater Israel Project, people are like, you're crazy.

• 1:04:29Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, that's a very, that's a very valid question. If, if, very valid question, if I'm sending my guys, you gotta send your guys. If you don't send your guys, I'm sending my guys.

• 1:04:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Even the most logical player cannot sit there and say, what are you talking about? Even the most logical player, and by the way, even more from your end. I don't even want it to be one for one. I don't even want it to be one for one, it's gotta be two for one, three for one, because this benefits you more than it benefits me. I know we're partners, but it's gotta be a two to, two to one or three to one, uh, situation when that's taking place.

• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  And, and, and then what does that say, Pat? What does that say about your ally? That they're like, nah, we're good, but you're over here, you're expanding? Like, wait a minute, timeout. If you, this is the situation we're at.

• 1:05:10Patrick Bet-David?

  The expanding part of Lebanon is your concern? But, but walk me through it, how is that a concern of you?

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  Well, because, because right now, right now, the focus should be this war. Not, if you're, if you're defending yourself-

• 1:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No, that's not how this works, though. No, that's not how this works. It's not, and, and let me tell you what I mean by that's not how it works. So a lot of times, when you're, when you're in a, uh, when you're in a, uh, very, very chaotic situation, like when the- Okay, let me put it to you this way. Remember when Covid happened? How many banks were getting killed and crushed? Remember, Tom, when Covid happened? How bad was it for some banks? It was scary for a lot of guys.

• 1:05:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Very scary.

• 1:05:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so who, who capitalized off that, uh, crisis? Go ahead, no, no, watch this, go ahead.

• 1:05:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Jamie Dimon.

• 1:05:55Patrick Bet-David?

  How many times?

• 1:05:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Multiple.

• 1:05:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Multiple times?

• 1:05:58Tom Ellsworth?

  You know why? Because he had all the dry powder to absorb the banks, cuz he understood that what was coming.

• 1:06:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me ask you a question, would you call Jamie Dimon an expansionist? Of course, it's not even hesitation. I call him a business guy. I know, but what I'm saying is in this reference, Yes. He's an expansionist. You're expanding and he bought up other banks that couldn't handle it. Yeah. You don't think in this situation Netanyahu is going to be an opportunistic guy and saying, hey, let's take this, let's take that, let's take this. Of course he is. Trump would do that. If Trump, you don't think Trump's going to be taking over Cuba? What do you call that? I think so. You don't, you don't think if Trump gets a chance to take over Greenland, he will? You don't think if Trump gets a chance to take over, he will? Of course. So, okay, so, so, so the part, the part where I'm going with this is the following.

• 1:06:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You can watch a guy and criticize him on a few different things, but also be able to sit there and say, I understand he's being opportunistic and taking advantage of what's going on right now, and he's getting everything he can at this point. Trump does that, he does that. I get that. I, if I'm on the phone with him and I say, wait, you want me to send how many? I'm gonna send this, but here's the deal. For every one I send, you send three. For every one I send, you send two. Cause if you're getting out there saying, we're not gonna have any boots on the ground, guess what? Yeah. Why am I sending my boots on the ground? Yeah, that's my problem. So then if I'm sending my boots on the ground, guess what I have to get from you? Boots on the ground? No, not boots. You, you don't think if I'm sending my boots on the ground, behind closed doors, I have to negotiate a strong deal to get more things out of you? Oh, of course.

• 1:07:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I have to. I think so. That we don't know. Yes. I don't know that part. So that, that's the conversation. I don't know. Yeah. There was a rumor that came out. I don't know if you guys saw this, that J.D. Vance called Netanyahu. Did you guys hear about the story? No. That J.D. called, did you hear it on one, Rob, or no? I did not. Yeah, that J.D. called Netanyahu and it's like, hey, you know, why are you making us go into this war? And allegedly this happened, you know, angry phone call with, uh, uh, which, which news is that? J.D. Vance rips into Netanyahu on a phone call over Iran report, allegedly. Nobody knows this for a fact. Go a little bit lower, Rob. And Vance, during the phone call Vance told Netanyahu that his predictions about the war, which he told Trump about had not come true. Netanyahu allegedly told Trump that the Iran war would be quick. As of now, the White House is considering sending more troops.

• 1:08:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Before the war, Bibi really sold it to the president as being easy, as regime change being a lot likelier than what it was, one source told Axios. And the VP was clear eyed about some of those statements. Go a little bit lower. What's so different about the Jesse is that the president has clearly identified about this Jesse is that the president has clearly identified what he wants to accomplish and there's just no way Vance said during an interview. So here's the here's the thing also with Vance on what he's doing. Okay, it's funny like when I when I watch Vance versus I watch Rubio.

• 1:08:53Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the vibe I get. I get a vibe of a guy that is making all his moves so calculated for career advancement versus a guy that's doing what he thinks is the right thing to do because he believes it. So let me give you the difference. I've worked with a lot of guys from both ends. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying, Tom.

• 1:09:15Tom Ellsworth?

  I know exactly what you're saying and I'm with you. One guy is doing his job and he believes it. The other guy is positioning. Hedging his bets.

• 1:09:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So I think JD right now is, you know, this phone call that was made is like, hey, make the phone call, leak it to the press. Leak it to the press. Why? Because he wants the non-interventionist, those guys who say, oh, wow, that's my guy that did this. Where Rubio, honestly, like, who do you think is more resolved on what he or she is doing that can handle the criticism? Marco Rubio. It's not even close. Of course. He's like, no, this is what I believe in. This is what I'm doing. Here's where we're going and I've been saying this for a while. I want to be a I want to be documented saying this in 2015, 11 years ago. So to me, these types of calls that are happening,

• 1:10:02Patrick Bet-David?

  it's it's more a positioning call than it is a, you know, tell them how hard I was on Bibi. Tell them how hard and how much I pushed them. Use these words. Oh, my God, look at the backbone and all this other stuff. Now, this could be a true story and I'm maybe I'm pushing it too much, but I'm just telling you, I see some of the stuff that's happening that's too opportunistic.

• 1:10:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I think you're right. Vinny, picture the primaries in 28. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Who picked up the phone and called Bibi and said, "How could you?" I did.

• 1:10:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I see that.

• 1:10:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Who said I was less enthusiastic?

• 1:10:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I see that, Tom, and I see that.

• 1:10:38Speaker 05

  Remember, the president said, because Trump said this about J.D. Vance, "He's less enthusiastic about the war."

• 1:10:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And what's the script? The script is gonna be, "Not gonna lie to you, I was conflicted."

• 1:10:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 1:10:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I was conflicted.

• 1:10:48Tom Ellsworth?

  I couldn't say anything. I'm the vice president. But I supported the commander in chief.

• 1:10:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I was conflicted, so we'll see. Adam?

• 1:10:55Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I don't know what J.D. Vance's strategy is. I would give him one piece of advice. Don't cross Trump. It's not gonna work out well for you. But I'm just gonna go rapid fire here because we covered a lot of things. Number one, Trump and MBS, you talked about him. They have a bromance. It's not even close at this point. They are genuinely friends, and they're cool. I wouldn't even say that Bibi and Trump have a bromance. I think there's just strategic allies that negotiate and are on the same page, maybe 80% of the time. But they're not fully, fully, fully aligned, nor should they be. Everyone has their own interest in there. But Trump and MBS do have a special relationship. And yes, I think the Gulf states, and yes, I think the regional actors, should pay the price.

• 1:11:36Adam Sosnick?

  We're protecting your ass, Saudi, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Oman. Who's attacking you? Not Israel. Not US. It's Iran. So we know the threat's there. So yes, pay up, just like NATO has to pay up, just like he's made them go from 2% to 4% to possibly 5%. As far as Israel boots on the ground, I don't know anything about this, but I'll give my assessment. Do you know how many wars they're fighting? Do you know Israel's the size of the state of New Jersey? Do me a favor. Pull up the map of the Middle East. We'll talk about expansionism for a second. Israel's this tiny. How many people do you think have in their military? They have wars going on in Hezbollah on their north. They have Gaza and the West Bank on their east and their west. They got the Houthis on their south.

• 1:12:21Adam Sosnick?

  And we need to take our small, little, mighty military and export it outside the world? We literally just don't have the manpower. So as far as expansionism.

• 1:12:29Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not the point.

• 1:12:30Adam Sosnick?

  But, but hold on, let me finish my point. As far as expansionism, but okay, you want to talk about boots on the ground? Israel has 1 million percent more boots on the ground right now. You know what they're called? Mossad. You know how many people have Mossad that are in, uh, uh, basically?

• 1:12:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Doesn't work with me. No, that doesn't.

• 1:12:45Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, but it doesn't matter what it works with.

• 1:12:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me explain to you.

• 1:12:47Adam Sosnick?

  It matters what works with our president.

• 1:12:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Explain to you, let me explain to you. No, you can't. Let me explain to you on this specific, and then you can finish your thought. For me, is, that is a very cold argument to make to, to somebody who has lost a family member to a war that they didn't support. That's exactly the point why so many people hate these effing wars. Cause they lost a child. They lost a brother. They lost a son. Go talk to those guys that have a job in the military that have to go explain to the mom and dad, your son just got killed. And for the rest of that person's life, that parent's life, go tell them, hey, support this thing here. No. To me, Mossad is Mossad. Go do what you're doing with Mossad.

• 1:13:32Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm putting our kids' lives on the line, where are you with it?

• 1:13:36Adam Sosnick?

  Who, who?

• 1:13:37Patrick Bet-David?

  If US is gonna send troops and our Marines, the best of the best in the world, if they're gonna go, and our guys are gonna be there, I expect you to be there as well.

• 1:13:45Adam Sosnick?

  Who's you?

• 1:13:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You being Israel.

• 1:13:47Adam Sosnick?

  But why are we only talking about Israel? We, didn't we just talk about Saudi?

• 1:13:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause they were the ones that wanted this war.

• 1:13:51Adam Sosnick?

  Are we not sending any other troops?

• 1:13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  This is.

• 1:13:53Adam Sosnick?

  Are we not sending Qatari troops? Are we not sending Saudi troops?

• 1:13:56Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the war, mainly this war started.

• 1:13:59Adam Sosnick?

  Mainly, but, but you just said, are they gonna financially support?

• 1:14:02Patrick Bet-David?

  When the war got started, what was the war? Rob posted it, first podcast we did. You know what Rob posted the title? That Israel-US attack on Iran.

• 1:14:12Adam Sosnick?

  Bingo.

• 1:14:13Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what it's.

• 1:14:14Adam Sosnick?

  When the war first started?

• 1:14:15Patrick Bet-David?

  It doesn't matter. Now other people are coming in saying we're involved.

• 1:14:18Adam Sosnick?

  Ongoing.

• 1:14:19Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no.

• 1:14:19Adam Sosnick?

  This is the latest iteration of this.

• 1:14:21Patrick Bet-David?

  No, if there is.

• 1:14:22Adam Sosnick?

  What was the 12 day war? How long ago was that?

• 1:14:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Is Saudi known for having a strong military? Is that what they're known for?

• 1:14:27Adam Sosnick?

  No, neither is Iran.

• 1:14:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is known for having a great intelligence, great military, great air force?

• 1:14:33Adam Sosnick?

  United States.

• 1:14:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Who else?

• 1:14:34Adam Sosnick?

  Israel.

• 1:14:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly.

• 1:14:36Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:38Speaker 10

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome? That's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies 18 plus.

• 1:15:03Speaker 11

  This episode is brought to you by Indeed. You're ready to level up your business, but the pressure to find the right person to make that happen is intense. Indeed sponsored jobs can help carry the load. It boosts your job post to help it reach quality talent fast. Cut through the chaos with Indeed sponsored jobs. Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring now? Then this is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs.

• 1:15:33Speaker 12

  Visible puts the ultimate wireless hack in the palm of your hand. With unlimited 5G wireless data and hotspot, designed to keep you connected. Powered by Verizon's 5G network. And no contract holding you back. Plans start at $25 a month. Or get the premium Visible Plus Pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code HACK. Make the switch at visible.com. Terms apply. See visible.com for details.

• 1:16:03Speaker 27

  When you're building a company, you learn that trust is what closes deals. You may have the best product, but buyers won't sign without proof that your product is secure, especially if it has AI. Vanta gets you compliant fast with SOC 2, ISO 27001 and more, and keeps you secure with continuous monitoring. Hyperbound, a YC-backed startup, used Vanta to unlock the Fortune 100 in under a year. Snowfire got audit-ready in a month and closed a multimillion-dollar deal. Trust matters. Get started at vanta.com.

• 1:16:31Speaker 13

  Now at Kroger, your points add up to more ways to save every trip. Use them your way to take dollars off groceries at checkout or save at the pump. You can even save up to $35 on your next fill-up. Same points, more choices. And with low prices on fresh, quality food, plus digital and personalized offers tailored to how you shop, your dollar goes further. Redeem your points online or in the app. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details.

• 1:17:01Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm putting troops on the ground, I expect you to put troops on the ground as well.

• 1:17:04Adam Sosnick?

  Sure, I'm with you on that. But let's not pretend that Israel isn't already fighting a war hardcore for the last three years. The United States, guys, I'm an American. I don't want to see our American troops over there. I don't want troops over there. I'm not condoning that. But to pretend that Israel isn't already fighting wars and defeating their enemies would be naive at best.

• 1:17:22Speaker 05

  You can't sit in this room, all of us right now, and we're going to plan that we're going to go in that room and beat the crap out of everybody in the studio room? And then when it's time to go, you're like, no, no, no, I got other fights to fight.

• 1:17:32Adam Sosnick?

  But you're assuming that.

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  No, no, hold on, I'm not assuming.

• 1:17:34Adam Sosnick?

  That's not what's actually happening.

• 1:17:35Speaker 05

  Israel said it. Israel said it.

• 1:17:37Adam Sosnick?

  So then the United States should say this.

• 1:17:39Speaker 05

  Hold on.

• 1:17:39Adam Sosnick?

  So the United States, my country, should say this. Well, if you don't send anybody, we're not sending anybody.

• 1:17:44Speaker 05

  Hold on, hold on.

• 1:17:45Adam Sosnick?

  Isn't that how negotiations works? And if they go, oh, okay, let me think about it.

• 1:17:49Speaker 05

  In 2003, the Iraqi base...

• 1:17:51Adam Sosnick?

  Why are we walking around as if the United States is just...

• 1:17:53Speaker 05

  Adam, because Bibi Netanyahu... Let Vinnie finish.

• 1:17:57Adam Sosnick?

  Let me finish.

• 1:17:58Speaker 05

  Bibi Netanyahu...

• 1:17:59Adam Sosnick?

  Why does he have to finish?

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  Because I want to make a point.

• 1:18:01Adam Sosnick?

  Come on, guy.

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  Bibi.

• 1:18:03Adam Sosnick?

  Adam, come on.

• 1:18:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So for me, these are two things. You said, if they do, so why are they sending it without them committing to it? You're saying this. U.S., the argument here isn't that. The argument is, the people in America, again, pulse. The people in America, when you get their pulse, you know what they're asking themselves? Today's social media is a very different climate we're living in. Take the 51% of bots that do a great job and it confuse the hell out of everybody. But take some of the reasonable players that come out. And a lot of these reasonable players are former vets. I put them as reasonable. You were maybe Ranger, you were maybe a, you know, paratrooper, you were maybe a SEAL. Or you've actually gone and seen this kind of stuff and you ask yourself,

• 1:18:49Patrick Bet-David?

  he was in the military, I was in the military and you see the level of frustration, why did I do this? This was a waste of time. And a big part of it is, I lost a friend. I lost a brother. I lost a cousin. I don't want to do it if you're not in on it as well. By the way, you said, how do we know? We don't know. You're right, we don't know. None of us know, maybe they are. But Bibi said they're not going to put a single, you know, thank you so much, a single boot on the ground. If you're not, and we do, that is going to be a very big problem with a lot of Americans.

• 1:19:17Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know who came out and said that, and I'd like to validate. But I would like to understand why. Cause it's so easy to be like, oh, they're not doing it, so obviously they're just expecting them to fight their wars. That is naive at best. That is the American isolationist default position. How about asking, peeling the onion and say, well, why would they say that? Why would they not want to commit boots on the ground? Are they saying that? Or are they playing strategic games here? Why are they doing that?

• 1:19:42Speaker 05

  Adam, they said, they said.

• 1:19:43Adam Sosnick?

  Why is America committing to this?

• 1:19:44Speaker 05

  Because it does not have the logistics to sustain forces that far from home. Adam, Bibi Netanyahu went to Congress how many times and said Iraq, Iraq? How many soldiers were deployed in 2023?

• 1:19:54Adam Sosnick?

  So you fell for that? You fell for that also?

• 1:19:56Speaker 05

  I fell for what? Hold on. How many Israeli?

• 1:19:58Adam Sosnick?

  Why did we go to Iraq?

• 1:19:59Speaker 05

  I'm gonna wait.

• 1:20:00Adam Sosnick?

  So.

• 1:20:00Speaker 05

  Pat, tell me.

• 1:20:01Adam Sosnick?

  Why did we go to Iraq?

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  What do you mean, why did we go to Iraq?

• 1:20:04Adam Sosnick?

  Why did we go?

• 1:20:05Speaker 05

  He said, we all said they had weapons of mass destruction.

• 1:20:07Adam Sosnick?

  So who said it?

• 1:20:08Speaker 05

  How many troops? Bibi said it and we believed it.

• 1:20:11Adam Sosnick?

  We got it.

• 1:20:11Speaker 05

  Hold on one second.

• 1:20:12Adam Sosnick?

  So Bibi runs all United States, got it.

• 1:20:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, respectfully, you just yelled at me and told me to let you finish. Let you finish, but you're not even letting him finish.

• 1:20:21Speaker 05

  How many Israeli troops were deployed in 2023 for Iraq? Or in Afghanistan?

• 1:20:26Adam Sosnick?

  What do you mean?

• 1:20:26Speaker 05

  How many? Zero. Zero, this is supposed to be a team effort. If we go, you go. And they're not.

• 1:20:33Adam Sosnick?

  So ultimately, what's your point? What do you want to do with Israel?

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  Adam, my point is-

• 1:20:37Adam Sosnick?

  Go ahead, give me your recommendation.

• 1:20:38Speaker 05

  Guess what?

• 1:20:39Adam Sosnick?

  What do you want to do?

• 1:20:39Speaker 05

  Put boots on the ground.

• 1:20:40Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:20:40Speaker 05

  If you're gonna talk all this shit and bring us into war, put your boots on the ground. I've been saying it for how long?

• 1:20:45Adam Sosnick?

  What do you think the IDF has been doing, fighting wars all over the Middle East?

• 1:20:48Speaker 05

  So, Adam, soldiers, Marines, let's go.

• 1:20:51Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, so you don't think that Pete Hegseth and Benny Gantz, whoever's running the IDF, are discussing this?

• 1:20:56Speaker 05

  Israel's not gonna put any-

• 1:20:57Adam Sosnick?

  To me, this is so stupid.

• 1:20:58Speaker 05

  Adam, how's it stupid?

• 1:20:59Adam Sosnick?

  To pretend that they're just-

• 1:21:00Speaker 05

  They're not gonna do it, bro.

• 1:21:01Adam Sosnick?

  Lollygagging into war.

• 1:21:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Alicia, you're fine. So I'm gonna get to the next story. But by the way, notice what happened with the tension here? And this is just the four of us?

• 1:21:09Adam Sosnick?

  Nope.

• 1:21:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you so much. Notice what happened with the tension here? And it's just the four of us? This is one of the issues in America today that is truly a conversation people are having.

• 1:21:18Adam Sosnick?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:19Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a real conversation that's being had. And by the way, where do you put me? You think I'm an isolationist?

• 1:21:24Adam Sosnick?

  I hope not.

• 1:21:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, no, what do you think I am?

• 1:21:26Adam Sosnick?

  I think since we've invaded Iran, you're probably more on the pro-allied side at this point. Not isolationist.

• 1:21:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Pro-what? Pro-allied with who?

• 1:21:34Adam Sosnick?

  With America's military's might.

• 1:21:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not an isolationist. I'm not, I'm not that guy. No, no, I'm not, because to me, that mindset doesn't work. Because my experience in business, and my experience of being in the military and having lived in a country with war, you can't be an isolationist for the rest of your life. Eventually, a guy's gonna come and knock on your door and say, "Hey, you're so weak. Come here, give me everything you got." You can't. You have to show strength. People have to know you can push your weight around. And every once in a while, you know, there needs to be a statement, "Hey, Fafou." There needs to be that reputation. I am that guy. I'm the guy that you need to set the tone in the marketplace that they know. But at the same time, if I'm gonna be on the phone with you, and you're a world leader and you're asking certain requests, I'm gonna say, "Here's how I'll do it with you.

• 1:22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This is more important to me. I need you to show up with the following. If I'm gonna put my guys on the line, I need you to put two times as many."

• 1:22:28Adam Sosnick?

  So, can we role-play for a second? I know you wanna move on. Who do you wanna be? You wanna be Trump? You wanna be Bibi? What do you, how do you wanna do this?

• 1:22:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever.

• 1:22:35Adam Sosnick?

  I'll be Bibi.

• 1:22:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go.

• 1:22:36Adam Sosnick?

  You go, you're Trump. You're who? Hegseth?

• 1:22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Whoever you want to be.

• 1:22:39Adam Sosnick?

  What's your demand?

• 1:22:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm Trump.

• 1:22:40Adam Sosnick?

  Let him be, Dave Smith.

• 1:22:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, listen, I'll, uh- I'll, I'll, I'll, I don't have a problem helping you out because I think we benefit from this as well.

• 1:22:48Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 1:22:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to be able to do this as well, but if I'm gonna send my troops,

• 1:22:51Adam Sosnick?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:51Patrick Bet-David?

  you gotta send yours as well.

• 1:22:53Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, let's talk about what the plan is, okay? We obviously want to defeat terrorism. That's the number one threat. You said it yourself, you wanted to take out the nuclear ambitions here. We've seen them kill thirty to fifty thousand of their own people. They have their proxies attacking us. We've, we've created the Iron Dome, which are basically helping you create.

• 1:23:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what is this?

• 1:23:08Adam Sosnick?

  So now what do you want? So I'm just giving.

• 1:23:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you doing right now?

• 1:23:10Adam Sosnick?

  So what I'm saying to you is,

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:12Adam Sosnick?

  what do you want us to do now?

• 1:23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  No, what I'm asking you is if I'm gonna send troops, I need you to send troops.

• 1:23:17Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, how many troops do you want?

• 1:23:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Two to one. If I send one thousand, you gotta send two thousand.

• 1:23:20Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, no, we're not, we don't have those capabilities right now.

• 1:23:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What capabilities?

• 1:23:23Adam Sosnick?

  We need to defend, we need to defend because we're basically being attacked by.

• 1:23:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Then we're out of this one, do it by yourself.

• 1:23:27Adam Sosnick?

  Then, perfect. You just, you just, you just proved me right.

• 1:23:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Go do it by yourself.

• 1:23:30Adam Sosnick?

  Then don't send them. That's my point.

• 1:23:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, oh, trust me, that's where we are.

• 1:23:34Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:35Adam Sosnick?

  So if the United, so if the United States sends troops, which I, I don't want them to, but they do it. But Bibi goes, listen, we can't send troops. That's on Trump. That's on Pete Hexet.

• 1:23:46Patrick Bet-David?

  That's on Trump and Hexet.

• 1:23:47Adam Sosnick?

  If we're negotiating.

• 1:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  If they made the decision?

• 1:23:49Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:23:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I agree.

• 1:23:50Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:23:51Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but this is not.

• 1:23:52Adam Sosnick?

  If we're negotiating and you said, Adam, I need you to do this. And I say, Pat, I can't do that. And you go, listen, I need you to do it.

• 1:23:58Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm negotiating,

• 1:23:59Adam Sosnick?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:23:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not doing it without you sending troops.

• 1:24:02Adam Sosnick?

  That's fine.

• 1:24:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to have skin in the game.

• 1:24:04Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 1:24:04Patrick Bet-David?

  If you got skin in the game, let's roll.

• 1:24:06Adam Sosnick?

  You just said the key word, skin in the game.

• 1:24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I do, yeah.

• 1:24:08Adam Sosnick?

  But define skin in the game.

• 1:24:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Mossad is not enough, I got CIA as well. You gotta do more than Mossad for me. You gotta do more than Mossad.

• 1:24:13Adam Sosnick?

  But that's a.

• 1:24:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Skin is the skin.

• 1:24:15Adam Sosnick?

  So here's the, here's the, here's the big question.

• 1:24:17Patrick Bet-David?

  It's death.

• 1:24:17Adam Sosnick?

  Here's the number one question. Do you not think that conversation is taking?

• 1:24:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:24:21Adam Sosnick?

  You don't think that conversation?

• 1:24:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know.

• 1:24:24Adam Sosnick?

  Is taking place, come on, Pat.

• 1:24:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know about the troops, Adam. I am.

• 1:24:27Adam Sosnick?

  Do you think they're just hollygating and blindly walking into this?

• 1:24:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to know where I'm at with this.

• 1:24:31Adam Sosnick?

  I guarantee you that conversation took place. And said, you do this, I'm gonna do this, let's figure this out.

• 1:24:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:36Adam Sosnick?

  I'll go here.

• 1:24:36Patrick Bet-David?

  My position's been very clear.

• 1:24:38Adam Sosnick?

  I go right.

• 1:24:38Patrick Bet-David?

  My position's been very clear. My position's been very clear. I study patterns. And when I get somebody, like if Maral goes and negotiates on my behalf without a, with a carrier and I'm not in the room, I don't care, I trust her. I don't care, I trust her. If Tom is handling a massive crisis, that somebody needs to use the right words when talking to somebody, we just did one last week, I don't care, I trust Tom. I trust him. I voted for this guy three times. Trump. I trust that he's doing the right thing. I agree. What I'm saying to you is, if this conversation comes up, the American people are gonna ask, is it one for one? They're gonna ask. Sure. And if he chooses not to go, he's gonna get the criticism. If he's okay with that, great.

• 1:25:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Ultimately, we're saying the same thing. We trust Trump in these deals. I know, but what I'm saying to you is, the way I'm negotiating, is I'm gonna have you have some skin in the game. It's the way I'm negotiating, that's all I'm saying. And that's how it should be. Guys, I got 45 minutes, I got a bunch of other stories to get into, so let me get into it. Alright, let's go to the next story. Professor Jang, who was one of the guys that talked about, you know, he made the prediction on, what was it, July of 2024? He said President Trump's gonna win, they're gonna go to war to Iran, and they're gonna lose. That's the prediction that he made. And then Saagar and them had him on the podcast.

• 1:25:56Patrick Bet-David?

  When they had him on the podcast, I messaged, what is their podcast called? They actually do a very good job. Breaking Points? I messaged Breaking Points immediately, and I said, "Great conversation, the world needs to hear this conversation." Matter of fact, let me tell you, when I DM'd Breaking Points, and told them, "Great job interviewing

• 1:26:18Patrick Bet-David?

  this Jang guy." Because guess what we need in America? We need different points. Yep. My message to them, Vinny, can you tell them when this message was sent? What's the date on that? Wednesday, March 4th. March 4th, and what did I say in the text to them? "Great work with the recent interview." Yeah, and that was the interview with Jang, okay. So then, we invite to have a conversation with him. He's on a conversation with another guy, who, you know, he's been mouthing off a lot lately, and he's doing his own thing. You know, we had a conversation with him, I don't wanna talk about the individual's name. And all of a sudden, he's like, "Well, the reason, because I thought this was gonna be hit piece." That's why I didn't want to go on PBD Podcast, that we're trying to do hit piece, hit piece. Having a conversation with you. That's what this guy Zhang said? That's what the guy said on camera. He says, yeah, what was, what was the word he used, Rob?

• 1:27:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I think they were trying to set, it was a setup, it was a setup. Oh, okay. And I'm like, I, I, I want to hear your thoughts and your angles on where you came with this conclusion. And then the person he probably least worried about, you know, taking a shot at Mehdi Hassan. Kudos to Mehdi Hassan on this interview. Good for you, Mehdi. Play this clip, Rob. Go for it.

• 1:27:21Speaker 28

  English lit graduate, and you're not a professor. I know it's your YouTube moniker, but you're a high school teacher. You're not actually a professor.

• 1:27:27Speaker 29

  Right. Um, yeah. And I'm not a professor. I'm not a professor, but, but I never said I was professor. It's the internet who called me a professor. Hi YouTube, this is Professor Jiang. Hi YouTube, uh, this is Professor Jiang, uh, Professor Jiang here.

• 1:27:44Speaker 28

  Professor Jiang here.

• 1:27:46Speaker 29

  Professor Jiang here.

• 1:27:47Speaker 28

  Professor Jiang here. You do call yourself Professor Jiang and you're not a professor.

• 1:27:51Speaker 29

  Look, look, there's a guy on the internet who calls, who calls himself the God.

• 1:27:56Speaker 28

  I'm good friends with a radio host called Charlemagne the God, but no one actually thinks he's a god. People actually think you're a professor. Professor Jiang here.

• 1:28:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So, thi- this, this is the part when you come out and you represent yourself of somebody who you're not, the market's eventually going to expose you. And you're going to get out, and by the way, you know what else Mehdi asked me? So a lot of people are thinking you're with China. And you're maybe, you know, somebody that is actually, you know, doing this to kind of, you know, hurt America because your motives are more supporting for the Chinese regime and all this other stuff. And that also came up. And he says, that's a very fair criticism. Guy's a very good communicator. You got to give him credit. Yeah, for sure. It, it is possible that I'm a useful idiot, and I suspect that there are many entities around the world who would like to amplify my message. Surely you understand why a lot of people think at best you're trafficking in pretty anti-Semitic tropes,

• 1:28:47Patrick Bet-David?

  and at worst, you're a Kardashian anti-Semite when they see that stuff. Mehdi said this. Damn. Mehdi said this. Spoken from a pot calling the kettle black. Yeah, so anyways, you know, when you, when you hear this, Vinny, how do you process this? Tom, I'll come to you. How, how do you process this from a guy who actually was a professor? At adjunct professor at Viola and Pepperdine. How do you process that? By the way, is it really a big deal if somebody calls themselves a professor and they're not?

• 1:29:15Tom Ellsworth?

  The way he was representing it, I think it is because it gives a, it gives yourself some gravitas. And by, as an adjunct, I never let them call me doctor. Doctor is a PhD. Doctorate. And so I always had them call me Tom because these were MBA students.

• 1:29:32Patrick Bet-David?

  But wait, you like being called Biz Doc?

• 1:29:34Speaker 05

  He's a doctor!

• 1:29:35Tom Ellsworth?

  He called me Biz Doc.

• 1:29:36Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's not a doctor! But he's not a doctor!

• 1:29:39Tom Ellsworth?

  I never said PhD.

• 1:29:40Patrick Bet-David?

  But you never say Professor Ellsworth. Can we call you Professor Ellsworth?

• 1:29:44Tom Ellsworth?

  You can call me whatever you want to call me.

• 1:29:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Would that be legal term? We could call you Professor Ellsworth?

• 1:29:48Tom Ellsworth?

  I would prefer not because I've got great respect for people that go and get a PhD.

• 1:29:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so guys, don't minact him and say Professor Ellsworth. I got a question for you. But if you want to take a risk and minact him and say Dr. Ellsworth or Professor Ellsworth, he may respond back to you. Go ahead, Tom.

• 1:30:02Tom Ellsworth?

  I may. So 94.7% of the time, everybody gets an answer uncorrect. So I think this guy was holding himself out with professor to create gravitas. And he's made these predictions. He was correct. And he kind of messed it up. Why did you do that? Why did you leave the door open? I just don't, I don't think you should have left the door open like that. He says, "Hi, this is Jang. Some people may call me Professor Jang. I'm a high school teacher and here's what I think about the future." That's all you have to say? How can you just not say that? Because you leave the door open and the door's open.

• 1:30:36Speaker 05

  I concur with Professor E. But the one thing is, I did, I was in the gym playing basketball and I sprained my ankle. And Tom, remember, it was me and Adam and Tom ran up and he was like, "Is it your ibuda?" I'm like, "It's not. That's not even a part of the body."

• 1:30:49Tom Ellsworth?

  But then he tried to give your ankle mouth to mouth.

• 1:30:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, which was very, very weird. He told me to take my pants off. Anyway, but no, my thing is this bad, like, it's funny because now this guy was all over my algorithm. It was just random. This professor just popped up and I mean flooded. I never looked at one video. I never, and he was just, he was everywhere. And then, like you, Adam, you talk about peeling back the onion and you always have to take a step back when you're getting, because sometimes, like you said, great communicator. And he made some points where I had to fact check and I'm like, "Okay, let me see where this guy's at." But who are you actually working for? Who, why are you here? What are you doing? And what is your modem? What is your objective? And the fact that he's saying kind of like that, he's like, "Well, yeah, I could be a useful idiot." He's telling you who he is. He's telling you exactly who he is. So you have to take him at face value.

• 1:31:29Tom Ellsworth?

  I think what's going on in America today is we're starving for one thing, and that's the truth.

• 1:31:34Adam Sosnick?

  And there's so much misinformation and disinformation online. And it's so easy to just pop on your camera and say, hey, Professor Jiang here, you know, don't worry about my credentials. And by the way, even if I did have credentials, how much respect do we have for professors these days? Especially in these higher institutions of learning that are 13 to one more liberal than conservative in Columbia and Harvard and such. And now we're going to put stock in professor. So then it takes a known anti-American sentiment, Mehdi Hassan, to expose an alleged commie comrade, who's allegedly China first to expose his metrics. What I know is that they're always going to eat each other.

• 1:32:15Adam Sosnick?

  Because the communists and the Islamists, they'll team up and try to figure something out. But at the end, the Islamists are always going to take down the communists. And then the good guys got to take out the bad guys. There's a similar theme here. And here today, gone tomorrow, Professor, quote unquote, Jiang.

• 1:32:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let's go to the next one. So Chicago Bulls, Jaden Ivey, made a couple of comments about his faith and how uncomfortable he was with the NBA being pro LGBTQ, Pride Month, all this other stuff. And he was actually a superstar. He was a star playing with the Pistons on the backcourt with this other guy who's a, you know, some of the NBA players would say he's a superstar.

• 1:32:56Adam Sosnick?

  Who's the backcourt? Kate Cunningham?

• 1:32:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Kate Cunningham, yeah.

• 1:32:58Adam Sosnick?

  But this guy's on the Bulls.

• 1:32:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, he was on the Pistons in the backcourt, averaged 17 points a game, four assists, four rebounds. This is why I tell you, I follow this stuff closer than you do.

• 1:33:07Adam Sosnick?

  Way better than you had him, obviously.

• 1:33:08Patrick Bet-David?

  How many times does this guy think like he's?

• 1:33:10Adam Sosnick?

  This guy's not a player.

• 1:33:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, Jaden comes out, says the following when he's driving. And I like the fact that at least he put the phone on his lap because he didn't want to get a ticket.

• 1:33:18Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 1:33:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Because the camera's angle is focused on his nostrils. But try to focus on the message while he's doing this. He's simply sharing his faith. And the Chicago Bulls let him go simply because of this comment in this video that he made. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:33:36Speaker 30

  That the world can proclaim LGBTQ.

• 1:33:44Speaker 30

  Right? They have, they have, they proclaim Pride Month in the NBA. They proclaim it. They, they show it to the world. They say, "Come, come, uh, come join us for Pride, for Pride Month."

• 1:34:03Speaker 30

  To celebrate unrighteousness.

• 1:34:09Speaker 30

  They proclaim it.

• 1:34:11Speaker 10

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies 18 plus.

• 1:34:36Speaker 11

  This episode is brought to you by Indeed. You're ready to level up your business, but the pressure to find the right person to make that happen is intense. Indeed sponsored jobs can help carry the load. It boosts your job post to help it reach quality talent fast. Cut through the chaos with Indeed sponsored jobs. Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring now? Then this is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs.

• 1:35:06Speaker 12

  Visible puts the ultimate wireless hack in the palm of your hand. With unlimited 5G wireless data and hotspot, designed to keep you connected. Powered by Verizon's 5G network. And, no contract holding you back. Plans start at $25 a month. Or get the premium Visible Plus Pro Plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code HACK. Make the switch at visible.com. Terms apply. See visible.com for details.

• 1:35:36Speaker 14

  When you spend enough time around great companies, you notice that the best ones treat trust as a growth strategy, not a box to check. Vanta helps companies build and prove trust from day one. Its Agentic Trust Platform connects compliance, risk, and trust at enterprise scale. Vanta delivers a 526% return on investment over three years and pays for itself in just three months. Learn why over 16,000 of the fastest-growing companies use Vanta at vanta.com.

• 1:36:07Speaker 13

  Now at Kroger, your points add up to more ways to save every trip. Use them your way to take dollars off groceries at checkout or save at the pump. You can even save up to $35 on your next fill-up. Same points, more choices. And with low prices on fresh, quality food, plus digital and personalized offers tailored to how you shop, your dollar goes further. Redeem your points online or in the app. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details.

• 1:36:42Speaker 30

  They proclaim it on the billboards. They proclaim it in the streets. Unrighteousness.

• 1:36:51Speaker 30

  So how is it that, that one can't speak righteousness? How is it one that, how, how, how are they to say that, uh, you, you, man, this man is crazy? I'm not, I'm not the, the J I used to be, but the OJ is dead. Um, I love Christ. Um, you know, no matter what the, the basketball setting is, you know, I'm, I'm born again, the Holy Spirit. Um, and I've been saved by Jesus Christ.

• 1:37:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Powerful. Vinny, your thoughts?

• 1:37:23Speaker 05

  I absolutely love that. So I think just Christians in the world, I hope you guys are waking up and seeing what, what's going on. The NBA can wave whatever flag that they want, but the moment, the moment he talks about Christ and says anything like that, you know what they actually said? They said he's detrimental to the team because he's speaking about Bible. And guys, this isn't about inclusion. It's about submission. My question is this, Tom, detrimental to whom? Who, is it the locker room, the front office, the sponsors, or the image that they sell every June? Because the issue is that, he said Pride Month celebrates unrighteousness, and then they say that instead of hiding behind corporate language, this is who he is, okay? And as Christians out there, and we have another story coming later on about Christians and them getting slaughtered and murdered,

• 1:38:08Speaker 05

  this shouldn't surprise anybody. Jesus said what, Tom? The world would hate his followers because it hated him first, okay? So what he's talking about, by the way, do you not see the Holy Spirit in this guy? Did you see that moment, Tom, where he goes, "I'm not the same Jaden, that old Jaden is dead." He's talking about repentance, salvation, and the kingdom of God, and getting punished for it. Mind you, he's not saying hate gay people, he's not saying any of that stuff, okay? And I guarantee you, his attitude is, love them, pray for them, and hope that they can come to Christ. Because guess what, at the end of the day, you can be gay, doesn't mean you have to practice in that, in that lifestyle, okay? Watching porn, giving into just sex and doing all that stuff, you don't have to live that life, you're supposed to try to change. I'm not saying don't be gay, but you don't have to practice in it.

• 1:38:53Speaker 05

  And I feel for these people, Pat, and I pray for them, I swear to you- Are you good? No. Because the way you went into- No, I'm good, I'm saying you have to pray for them. Vinny, why are you gay?

• 1:39:05Speaker 05

  I'm trying to be serious, and by the way, the word pride in this whole thing matters as well, okay? And what does, what does the Bible say, Tom, about pride? Pride comes-

• 1:39:13Adam Sosnick?

  Before the fall.

• 1:39:14Speaker 05

  Before the fall, okay, it's not just a phrase, it's scripture. So when an entire league turns into a freaking banner, that, that he can't say what he wants to say, I think it's ridiculous. And I think the bigger message is, it's not about basketball, it's a reminder that you stand for Christ, and the way his teachings, and the scripture, public, this is what's gonna happen to you, plain and simple. Adam?

• 1:39:35Adam Sosnick?

  Look, I think this was a stupid decision on his part, and I'll say why. Do I agree with him on what he said? I actually do. I don't like that, that there's this much gay pride everywhere you go, there's LGBT everywhere you go. I don't like that there's how many different holidays that celebrate the gay uncle day-

• 1:39:55Speaker 05

  Hunchback and something.

• 1:39:56Adam Sosnick?

  And the furry day, and it was just a trans visibility day. There's no doubt that there's a problem with all this. But pick and choose your spots, my friend. You've been in the league how long, three years, four years, which means what? You're about to come up on your next contract, which is potentially your next big deal. So if you're the agent, you're the advisor, you're the manager, you say, hey, listen, buddy, before you start taking a stance on these things that you're not known for. This isn't like a reverend or a pastor or a rabbi coming out and saying, you're an NBA player, buddy, stay in your lane. Keep your beliefs private, and by the way, you can have any belief you want. But you're about 12 months away from signing a hundred million dollar deal. Now you got zero. So this is basically something-

• 1:40:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Doesn't that even give him more credibility?

• 1:40:41Speaker 21

  I was just gonna say.

• 1:40:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, you know, when it's like when-

• 1:40:43Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not questioning his belief.

• 1:40:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, because you know, sometimes people, you'll hear testimonies and hey, at a bad place in your life, you give your life to Christ. But imagine you're at a great place in your life and you just made it, you got a hundred million dollars coming your way and you do it then? I mean, it's, your position is a very logical, reasonable agent positions. To him is like, no, this is my faith. And Rob, what is this clip that you have here? Is this a-

• 1:41:10Speaker 21

  Uh, this is him yesterday, I believe it was yesterday, talking about the backlash that he's received from his family and his wife.

• 1:41:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's play this and I'm gonna come to you, go for it.

• 1:41:17Speaker 30

  Those who are around me, those are my family members betraying-

• 1:41:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, he says his own wife is not texting him back.

• 1:41:22Speaker 30

  Because, because of what I spoke. The truth. Saying that I'm losing my mind, saying that I'm crazy. These are my own family members. My blood. Man, he's psycho. He's this, he's that. Those are my own household. That's, that's why, that's why, uh, my, my wife in here and she not even texting me.

• 1:41:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Adam, keep going.

• 1:41:49Adam Sosnick?

  So, look. My advice is get off the internet, buddy. Because I understand if you just gave your life to Christ, that's amazing. You're excited, you want to share it with the world, that's amazing, of course. But not every news needs to be shared. You just, you started up the podcast that basically said, hey, listen, I'm gonna call you out publicly. Why? Because you represent me and you represent the brand. And I hear that. But this guy represents more than himself. He represents the Chicago Bulls. He represents the NBA and he represents the overall league. And he's going rogue and basically saying, "My beliefs, what I believe is more important than my team, my teammates, the league that I stand for and the logo." By the way, I agree with some of the stuff you're saying.

• 1:42:34Adam Sosnick?

  But time and place, because if we're gonna talk about representing the brand, representing the league, you're representing the Chicago Bulls. You just went from the GOAT of MJ to now your, your brand is being known as gay bashing. I'm not saying that he's doing that, but that's what your brand is known for.

• 1:42:49Speaker 05

  Adam, he, he-

• 1:42:50Adam Sosnick?

  Horrible timing, but with the right-

• 1:42:51Speaker 05

  But you know what? You said the news that should never be shared. He is sharing the word of Jesus Christ and I commend him. And I love that you said that, Pat, in a moment where he has everything, but he is touched by the Holy Spirit and I, dude, I, I can't give him enough credit for having the gall to do, Adam, because you know what? If you're in the league and for a month they're representing the gay flag, the represent, it's all over the place, you're in on it. And let's, Pride Month, LGBTQ, they're pushing that T stuff that you always talk about on children. He doesn't want to be any part of it. And if you think about it, Adam, he's not budging to hell with the timing, his morals and his principles. And you know, you said about, who's he making happy?

• 1:43:34Speaker 05

  If Jesus Christ is happy, you win. I don't care about your wife. I don't care about your family. I don't care about his boys going, "Yo, dog, we about to come up." No, no, Adam-

• 1:43:43Adam Sosnick?

  Let me flip it on you.

• 1:43:44Speaker 05

  But let me finish.

• 1:43:45Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:43:46Speaker 05

  Adam, and I, and I love you. I know you're not a Christian. I'm telling you right now-

• 1:43:49Adam Sosnick?

  I'm the original.

• 1:43:50Speaker 05

  The one person, the one being that is happy about this guy, besides everybody else, is the man upstairs.

• 1:43:58Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:43:58Speaker 05

  But like, you don't think he's already rich? Do you not think, hold on-

• 1:44:01Adam Sosnick?

  No, he's not.

• 1:44:01Speaker 05

  What, three years he's been in the league, he doesn't have any money?

• 1:44:03Adam Sosnick?

  That's not major money.

• 1:44:04Speaker 05

  Not, well, y'all-

• 1:44:05Patrick Bet-David?

  He's made already 26 million dollars and the Pistons owe, owe him- Another 10 to 11 million dollars guaranteed for your 40 million dollar contract.

• 1:44:13Tom Ellsworth?

  He would have had a hundred million.

• 1:44:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You're right about the 100 million, but he's making a different point.

• 1:44:18Tom Ellsworth?

  But let me make a point to you.

• 1:44:19Speaker 05

  What I'm saying is 26, Adam, as I'm telling you right now, Adam, something changed in my life. The moment, the moment it wasn't about me and the money and the girls and everything, Christ, you're on a completely different path. I see it in his face. I see me in him and he doesn't care. 20 mil, Adam, I think he'd be happy with a hundred thousand dollars. He's been touched and it's over. And hold on, let me ask you, and I'll let you go. Do you not think another team's gonna pick him up? The NBA's done with him? The Bulls waived him?

• 1:44:46Tom Ellsworth?

  I think he's finished.

• 1:44:47Speaker 05

  I, I, I, I think he's gonna be great for the rest of his life. Go ahead.

• 1:44:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think another team's gonna pick him up?

• 1:44:52Speaker 05

  I, I don't see this being.

• 1:44:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You think another team's gonna pick him up?

• 1:44:55Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 1:44:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me ask you a question.

• 1:44:57Speaker 05

  Is it possible?

• 1:44:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question. Do you think Adam Silver likes what he said?

• 1:45:02Speaker 05

  Adam, oh, absolutely not.

• 1:45:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. What happened to the Orlando Magic player, the center? What, who is he with today?

• 1:45:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Jonathan, he's still with Orlando Magic. He gets a little bit of flaming time, but he.

• 1:45:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So guess where he could go? He could go to Orlando Magic. Do you know why?

• 1:45:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Isaac.

• 1:45:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Because the, uh, he can go to Orlando Magic. He can go to Orlando Magic because Orlando Magic owner is the DeVos family. The DeVos family, Betsy DeVos is, uh, you know, the DeVos family devout devout Christian.

• 1:45:30Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:45:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Gift to the biggest foundations. I think he can potentially end up with the Magic top.

• 1:45:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, you don't have to like this, and I'm gonna say something here people probably aren't gonna, uh.

• 1:45:38Speaker 05

  Whatever.

• 1:45:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Like, um, and, and that is, you know, he has this deep faith that he's sharing. On a Christian standpoint, I find it amazing that he was boldly sharing and I understand his feeling, his faith, everything that goes with it. Totally understand it. The reality in America is, um, and I look back at, do you remember, um, there's a Marine named Jacoby Williamson? And he got fired because he said another racist man, Charlie Kirk, was popped. The reason he got fired is popped made it sound like he was celebrating his death. But if he was to say, "I found Charlie to be racist, a lot of people are upset by it." Who knows what happened here?

• 1:46:24Tom Ellsworth?

  If he says it like that, he's still employed. However, he was a recruiter and he said "popped," like he was happy about it. And what the NBA, the way it works is, free speech has consequences. You're guaranteed free speech under the Constitution, but you're not guaranteed free speech without consequences and certain circumstances. In terms of employment, you're only guaranteed that you're not going to be fired because of your race, religion, nation of origin, or sexual orientation, or other discriminatory factors, who you are. But if you say something that they think, your employer thinks is offensive, or your employer thinks is against their foundations, you can expect consequences.

• 1:47:07Tom Ellsworth?

  And the league feels this way. "We push Pride Month, we do these things." So you need, if you're going to play here, "This is who we are, don't be critical, don't disparage the league." And unfortunately, he, in his free speech, the consequences is that he loses his job. I hate that he did. I'm sad that he did. But this is the way free speech works in America. I want to see Adam Silver do the same thing. If there's a Muslim player that says something about Christianity or Christian players, I want to see Adam Silver, I want to see him do the same thing. But right now, what this guy did, he exercised free speech.

• 1:47:50Tom Ellsworth?

  I hate the consequence, but this is the consequence because the league says, "We own the teams, you're an employee of the teams."

• 1:47:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And I want to move on, guys. I want to move on with this. So give your final. I just want to say, I agree with Tom on this one. Okay, great. So let's move on with this. Let's move on with this. Because the reality of it is, we've been on this thing for 12 minutes. I want to go to the next one. All right, let's go to Tiger Woods, okay? Another sports story. So Tiger Woods, a video comes out, back to the mugshot stuff. That first one that happened, I was like, "Are people playing jokes with Tiger Woods? What's going on here? Why are they doing this?" But story comes out, Rob, do you have that story here? Can you tell me? Okay, is this the Tiger Woods?

• 1:48:28Speaker 21

  Yes, this is a report on his accident and what he was found in possession of.

• 1:48:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go for it.

• 1:48:33Speaker 31

  ... deputies with the Martin County Florida Sheriff's Office reported observing several sign- Field deputies with the Martin County Florida Sheriff's Office reported observing several signs of impairment at the crash scene involving Tiger Woods, noting that the golf legend was quote sweating profusely and that his movements appeared lethargic and slow. Again, that according to an arrest affidavit obtained today by Fox News Digital. Law enforcement also found two white pills inside of Woods's left side pant pocket, later identified as hydrocodone, which as you may know is a prescription opioid for pain relief. Meanwhile, Woods's good friend, President Trump, continues to show his support for the five-time Masters champ. The two men spoke Friday after the crash. The president

• 1:49:17Speaker 31

  telling the New York Post that Tiger lives a life of pain. He has a lot of pain. He's an amazing guy, an amazing athlete. He does have pain. Woods, for his part, told law enforcement prior to the field sobriety test that he'd undergone seven back surgeries and over 20 operations on his legs, adding that, yes, I take a few prescription medications. As for what happens next.

• 1:49:42Tom Ellsworth?

  I think probably they're going to work out some sort of disposition that does.

• 1:49:46Patrick Bet-David?

  When you see that. You hate seeing this happen to him. I don't know if you've ever seen the documentary they did, the three-part documentary on him or two-part documentary on him. The guy's story is a fascinating story. Is this him afterwards, Rob?

• 1:49:58Speaker 21

  This is literally four days before the accident where he talks about wanting to get back to playing.

• 1:50:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he wanted to get into the Masters. Yeah. And he says, trust me, I'm trying to. My body's not recovering. I'm no longer in my 20s. I'm just trying really hard. I'd love to be at it. I'm gonna be there. Whether I play, I don't play, I saw that. And then apparently a lot of his people around him that are loving, he just said, I'm stepping away because of DUI arrest that took place with him. He made that comment, I believe, earlier yesterday that he's stepping away from the game with what happened. Tom, where are you at with this, with Tiger Woods? How do you process it?

• 1:50:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm very sad.

• 1:50:31Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, Kim and I have followed him in golf for so long, just the story, just like everybody else has done. And I saw him, we, Kim and I were at the 2008 US Open and we followed him and Rocco Mediate for a day and a half. And we saw the pain he was in at that time when his knee needed surgery, but he wins the US Open at Torrey Pines on that kind of a tough course in pain. We saw him, we could hear him grunt, you know, he was right there. And so you know that he had that. And then what bothers me most is that if, after all of these things to the body, he's taken opioids and now he has like an addiction, that happens to a lot of people.

• 1:51:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Russ Limbaugh said he got an addiction after, what was it, back surgery or something? That he said he started taking the opioids and he said, "They caught up with me and my body had..." Jordan Peterson went through it. That's exactly right. And so, these are not, these are not junkies behind 7-Eleven. These are professional people that have pain and the drug of choice they're given is these opioids and if they're not careful, the body reacts with a, you know, an addiction and a reliance on it. And I just hate this. Now, I don't know what he was feeling when he got in the car or whatever like that. They said he was driving fast. You know, we've all seen all the facts on that. But it just, it saddens me that this once great, you know, athlete now has got a lot

• 1:51:56Tom Ellsworth?

  of pain and, you know, and I'm glad he's just saying straight up, "Hey, I gotta work on this and I gotta go, go away." But it doesn't sound to me like a, you know, an alcoholic wife beater giving a speech in the living room. It sounds like a guy that says, "These pills that are helping me, I gotta go, I gotta go do something else."

• 1:52:42Speaker 11

  This episode is brought to you by Indeed. You're ready to level up your business, but the pressure to find the right person to make that happen is intense. Indeed sponsored jobs can help carry the load. It boosts your job post to help it reach quality talent fast. Cut through the chaos with Indeed sponsored jobs. Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring now? Then this is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs.

• 1:53:12Speaker 12

  Visible puts the ultimate wireless hack in the palm of your hand. With unlimited 5G wireless data and hotspot, designed to keep you connected. Powered by Verizon's 5G network. And no contract holding you back. Plans start at $25 a month. Or get the premium Visible Plus Pro Plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code HACK. Make the switch at visible.com. Terms apply. See visible.com for details.

• 1:53:41Speaker 13

  Now at Kroger, your points add up to more ways to save every trip. Use them your way to take dollars off groceries at checkout or save at the pump. You can even save up to $35 on your next fill-up. Same points, more choices. And with low prices on fresh, quality food, plus digital and personalized offers tailored to how you shop, your dollar goes further. Redeem your points online or in the app. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details.

• 1:54:12Speaker 27

  When you're building a company, you learn that trust is what closes deals. You may have the best product, but buyers won't sign without proof that your product is secure, especially if it has AI. Vanta gets you compliant fast with SOC 2, ISO 27001 and more, and keeps you secure with continuous monitoring. Hyperbound, a YC-backed startup, used Vanta to unlock the Fortune 100 in under a year. Snowfire got audit-ready in a month and closed a multimillion-dollar deal. Trust matters. Get started at vanta.com.

• 1:54:40Patrick Bet-David?

  There's even stories out there that apparently Vanessa Trump told Tiger she won't wait around like Ellen if he continues with this direction and he truly wants to make a change. And Don Jr.'s a little bit worried because his kids are around. Thank God Vanessa wasn't in the car, neither was their kids. So conversations there. These are valid things. You know, when you have a friend or somebody, a family member you love. Who's truly having a hard time with something and then addiction and everybody's trying to help this person out. But it's like at the end of the day, the only person I can do this themselves.

• 1:55:12Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:55:13Patrick Bet-David?

  He can go to as many rehab places and they'll always tell you the same thing. We can't make him quit. It has to be him. Adam, your thoughts on this?

• 1:55:22Adam Sosnick?

  I feel bad for Tiger, but you reap what you sow. I'm not a golf guy, so the people that are the big golf people, the people that love Tiger, probably not gonna like what I'm about to say, but dude, just retire. Because you're doing nothing but ruining your legacy and ruining your brand. What does MJ do these days? Because the reason I bring up MJ, because he's right behind Vinnie, is because we're talking goats. You've interviewed many goats, Pat, right?

• 1:55:47Adam Sosnick?

  You, why does Trump not, uh, sorry, Trump, why does MJ not do interviews? Why does he not do podcasts?

• 1:55:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He's been doing more lately, by the way.

• 1:55:54Adam Sosnick?

  He's starting to.

• 1:55:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:55Adam Sosnick?

  He did the last dance because he's not trying to ruin the legacy that he created. Tiger Wolf, with, uh, Tiger Wolf, uh, Tiger Woods, with every swing, with every time he gets in a car, with every time he goes onto the course, he's not helping his legacy. You think people care if he wins another match? Or wins another round or shoots a par or a birdie? People don't care. You've already solidified your legacy. All you're doing is tarnishing at this point. You know, what's the quote that I always talk about with Jack Bogle? The guy that, uh, that created Vanguard?

• 1:56:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:25Adam Sosnick?

  He said, "When I die, I have one wish, for my legacy to stay intact." And Tiger, with every swing, is ruining his legacy. Dude, why don't you have a driver? Is this your first time you've had a car incident? Or is this the fifth time we've seen this happen? With cheating on your wife when she's smashing in the car window? With womanizing and basically running with, uh, running away from police? Basically dealing with DUIs, getting stopped? Do you know the, the, uh, the, uh, speed limit on the street that he was going? I know this street, it's up in Jupiter. 20 miles per hour. How the hell does your car end up flipped on a 20 mile per hour street? That means you are so messed up. So bloodshot, so gone, and nobody can tell you what to do. Pat, you know, he's telling you, "I want Pat to drive, I don't want Pat to drive, I need a driver, needs a driver."

• 1:57:10Adam Sosnick?

  You don't even drink. You don't take pills, much less this guy. This guy is the anti-

• 1:57:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Been driving a lot less, and I like driving.

• 1:57:17Adam Sosnick?

  Looking great.

• 1:57:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:18Adam Sosnick?

  This guy is the anti-MJ. And he's ruining his legacy, and he's done so much for the game of golf-

• 1:57:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I have a very different-

• 1:57:24Adam Sosnick?

  That he's not helping at all right now.

• 1:57:25Patrick Bet-David?

  All your feedback, you said, spot on, fair. It's good feedback. But let me tell you.

• 1:57:33Patrick Bet-David?

  When something happened this weekend, Tom is aware what happened this weekend. When you're somebody that is a high intense competitor driver. You know, Jordan just did an interview with this lady, who's this interview African American lady, who's a very well-known interviewer. I don't know what her name is, actually a very good interview.

• 1:57:55Adam Sosnick?

  Michael Jordan or Dr. Peter?

• 1:57:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Michael Jordan with her, she just, he just did an interview. Type in interview Rob, interview. And he asked him a question, says, are you still competitive? He says, yes. He says, still? She says, still at 63 years old? Yes. She says, why? He says, honestly, at this point, the only thing I can say is, I think I'm cursed. So the curse of competitors is they want that next high. That next Masters. That next, you know, what Tiger did, stuff that we've never seen before. But I think he can't let go then, that's not an easy thing to do, Vinny.

• 1:58:31Speaker 05

  And I agree, like, think about winning at that level and he's still trying. And I'm gonna be honest with you, Tom, and I know you're gonna agree. Because of Tiger Woods, an entire generation started, every race, started going, wait, what's, what the hell, what's going on over there? Adam, I love golf because of Tiger Woods. And I followed him for his entire career, some of those shots where he did from like the side, unbelievable, okay, unbelievable. But I think it's, you know, like, this is a huge, I know he's had a couple, this is a huge wake-up call. God forbid, bro, God forbid, Adam, besides the kids in the car and everything, which I'm pretty sure they would have been, had a seatbelt, you know, hopefully, but what if somebody was just walking in the street?

• 1:59:15Adam Sosnick?

  There were kids in the car?

• 1:59:16Speaker 05

  No, no, no, I'm saying, if they were, I'm pretty sure they would have seatbelts. But, and again, God forbid, Adam, he hits somebody. He's one of my favorites. If he killed somebody, imagine what that is. So this, to me, is that, like, Adam, sometimes people need a couple, I'm saying from experience. You need this to be like, hey, listen, this is it. And number one, who's his, Pat, who's talking to him?

• 1:59:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I was at a poker tournament with him. And Russell Westbrook and Phil Hellmuth, this was like a celebrity poker thing, six years ago, seven years ago, I don't know what it was. And I talked to Tiger and I looked at him, I'm like, this guy's having a hard time.

• 1:59:53Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You could tell, he's slurring, all this other stuff. Anyways, last one before we wrap up, Rob, if you wanna...

• 1:59:58Adam Sosnick?

  Can I give you a shout out real quick? Can I, Tiger, can I give you a little advice, Tiger? If you ever see this, what do you always talk about, Pat? Reinventing yourself? The problem with Tiger, he's never reinvented himself.

• 2:00:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me, dude? He's reinventing himself, so you're saying maybe he hasn't in the last 10 years?

• 2:00:12Adam Sosnick?

  Oh my gosh. That's the time that it matters.

• 2:00:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that.

• 2:00:15Adam Sosnick?

  Right now, in 10 years, he has not reinvented himself. You talked about Jordan, give shout out to Jordan. Jordan's still competitive, he's still winning, but what is he winning in?

• 2:00:22Speaker 05

  NASCAR.

• 2:00:23Adam Sosnick?

  He's in NASCAR.

• 2:00:24Speaker 05

  They just won again. They just won again.

• 2:00:25Adam Sosnick?

  Jordan's winning in NASCAR, he's not back on the court saying, "I still got it at 60, bro." Tiger, hang him up, dude. Create something that, that solidifies your legacy, does not ruin your legacy.

• 2:00:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I wanna get to the last one here, and then I wanna wrap up early today. Rob, I saw a clip with Miley Cyrus, if you wanna play this clip. Uh, it's, it's a very good clip for people to watch, go for it, Rob. Miley Cyrus talks about how embarrassed she is on some of the stuff she did that she embarrassed her family. Watch this.

• 2:00:55Speaker 32

  Everything because of the choices I was making professionally. I was engaged at the time, that didn't work out because I was sharing a part of myself that men wanted to be saved for them only. And the fact that I would pose nude, or dance in very little clothes, or show my body was making them feel like I was taking something away that was meant to be for them. It was really hard for me to go home and see my dad, and like, look him in the eyes and not feel super embarrassed. Seeing my grandparents was just mortifying. There was even a time where my brother and sister didn't wanna go to school because of how humiliated they were to be related to me. I lost everything because of the choices I was making professionally.

• 2:01:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Isn't that frickin' powerful? I didn't wanna tell you guys, I'm gonna play this clip.

• 2:01:31Speaker 05

  That's, that's, I mean, not only is that amazing, I was one of those people, I'll be honest, that this back, this is years, years, years ago. I would judge her. I'd be like, "You were Hannah Montana." I would go on to the studio set, my friend, my really good friend, I won't even say her name, she was like wardrobe and everything for Hannah Montana. She signed something, right, for my niece to have pass Hannah Montana, and then she shifted. And it was thong and grabbing her stuff, and I was like, I was back then, and it's not a Christian... But I wasn't all in on Christianity. I was judging her. But for her to have that moment where it's like, oh, my goodness, what what happened? That's recreating yourself. That's growing as a human being. That that's freaking amazing and good for her. But and not a lot of people come to that moment, Tom, where they're like, oh, my God, what?

• 2:02:16Speaker 05

  Is that me? Is that what I was doing? I've been there. I saw myself on camera. I'm like, oh, my God, am I drunk? And that's those are the wake up calls that you need to see.

• 2:02:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Reconciliation is one of the most beautiful things on this planet. And Jesus Christ gives us the opportunity to reconcile with him in our eternity. And I hope that she was reconciled with the family. We've all seen all the things. I remember seeing a interview, Pat, with Billy Ray Cyrus. And he was emotional because he was very hurt. Because he wondered if his little girl, if she was ever gonna maybe get it together and come back. In relationship. And I hope that this is a sign that this reconciliation is all complete.

• 2:02:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:02:52Patrick Bet-David?

  And she was wearing a very covered shirt.

• 2:02:54Speaker 05

  Beautiful. I love it.

• 2:02:55Adam Sosnick?

  Why did you want to play this? Just so I'm curious.

• 2:02:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I think there's a lot of women that need to be inspired by people like this to say, hey, I showed everything and I became one of the most famous people in the world and I was wrong. I think that's powerful.

• 2:03:09Adam Sosnick?

  I think a lot of people need to go through it themselves before they listen to people's advice. Like you always say, more is caught than taught. Right? I think there's gonna be girls that see this. There's a lot of girls on OnlyFans. There's a lot of girls showing their thongs and doing their everything on Instagram. And until life smacks them in the face, until a guy breaks up with them because he cares about their past more than their future, more than their past. I think there's a ton of women that need to receive this message, but a lot of times it's gonna be too late. By the way, same for men. A lot of men need to go through things and you say, don't do this, don't do this. Some people need to put their hand on the stove before they learn the lesson. That's my opinion.

• 2:03:45Patrick Bet-David?

  All I want to say is good for you, Miley. I hope you go through this mindset. You can really impact many people's lives. Gang, great to be with you guys. We will do it again on tomorrow. We have Richard Werner to talk about the economy. Every time he comes, it's very, very interesting what he has to say. Can't wait to be with you guys then and we'll be back again on Friday. God bless everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

• 2:04:11Speaker 13

  When you shop Kroger Delivery, you can expect the savings you love and fresh groceries delivered right to your door. From delicious produce to everyday essentials, enjoy the convenience of delivery and the trusted selection you've come to know from Kroger. Because bringing you fresh, quality groceries is what we do best. Right now, enjoy free delivery on orders of $50 or more with your digital coupon. Restrictions apply. See site for details. Kroger. Fresh for everyone.

• 2:04:41Speaker 14

  When you spend enough time around great companies, you notice that the best ones treat trust as a growth strategy, not a box to check. Vanta helps companies build and prove trust from day one. Its Agentic Trust Platform connects compliance, risk, and trust at enterprise scale. Vanta delivers a 526% return on investment over three years and pays for itself in just three months. Learn why over 16,000 of the fastest-growing companies use Vanta at vanta.com.

• 2:05:12Speaker 22

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 2:05:41Speaker 33

  Your website can do a lot more than you think. With Base44, describe what you want in your own words and build a website that looks your way and works your way. Let people book with you or buy from you with hosting already included. Then, help more people discover your site with built-in search tools, social content, and Google Ads. Build the website you've got in your head on Base44. Go to base44.com. That's base44.com.

• 2:06:11Speaker 26

  How many discounts does USAA Auto Insurance offer? Too many to say here. Multi-vehicle discount, safe driver discount, uh, new-vehicle discount, storage discount, legacy discount...

• 2:06:21Speaker 13

  How many discounts will you stack up? Tap the banner or visit usaa.com/autodiscount. Restrictions apply.