“There Is A Hit On Me” - Ex-Honduran President Pardoned By Trump TELLS ALL | PBD Podcast | Ep. 702

Patrick Bet-David sits down with former Honduras president Juan Orlando Hernández to confront accusations of cartel ties, cocaine trafficking, and corruption. From extradition and prison to his Trump pardon, Hernández explains his side of one of Latin America’s most controversial cases. ------ 👞 GET THE NEW FLB 1'S: https://bit.ly/4mXV9gd 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso ⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Patrick Bet-David?

  There are people that think you helped funnel 400 tons of cocaine into America. They think you took the $1 million bribe from El Chapo. It took millions of dollars to help with your campaign for 2013.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Today, Juan Orlando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras, was extradited to the United States to face federal charges.

• 0:20Speaker 02

  The only explanation that I have is because they wanted to get rid of me.

• 0:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you. So they put you there so somebody would kill you to get rid of you. That logic makes sense to me. You were in prison with Diddy and Sam Bankman-Fried?

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you speak with them?

• 0:34Speaker 02

  There was another guy, a rapper, who's very famous. They call it 69, I think.

• 0:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Takashi 69?

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So the same day that this meeting happens, this picture right here, which is Kamala Harris

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 0:48Patrick Bet-David?

  and Cio Mara Castro

• 0:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 0:50Patrick Bet-David?

  are meeting, on that same day, you get indicted?

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Yes. When you talk about the deep state in America, some people say, hmm, that's a conspiracy theory. I have lived it.

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright? My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a 101?

• 1:30Speaker 03

  My son's right, brother.

• 1:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Today, we have with us the previous president of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez. You've seen him all over television in the last two weeks because he was just pardoned by President Trump. It's great to have you on the podcast.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, so question for you. When I call a lot of different people, I have friends in high places, I have friends in low places. And I have friends who were formerly associated with Mexican cartel. I have friends who have done a lot of different things. Here's what I hear. There are people that think you, you know, helped funnel 400 tons of cocaine into America. They don't think you're a good guy. They think you were part of it. They think you took the $1 million bribe from El Chapo. They think you were, took millions of dollars to help with your campaign for 2013. They have a lot of bad things to say about you, which we'll talk about a lot of that stuff. And you have a PowerPoint here with us, so we'll, we'll learn about that as well. Then there's a complete opposite side. The other side is

• 2:38Patrick Bet-David?

  a group of people who say you lowered smuggling when you became president. You got rid of a lot of these cartels. The cartel didn't like you because you were hurting their business. Because to sell cocaine, 84% of cocaine is made in Colombia in the world. And it goes from Colombia to Venezuela to Honduras. They have to go Honduras, to Guatemala, to Mexico, then here. So they produce it here for $1,750, then goes to Honduras $13,500. Then it goes 17, then US $40,000 if it goes to New York City. This is 2016 numbers I'm giving to you. And they say, "You stopped it." So because you stopped it, um, and you were hurting business, they started saying, "Oh, you're behind that all this other stuff to throw you under the bus."

• 3:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So then you got served 45 years, and we've all seen the video with you walking up, Rob, if you want to put it up. And they said, "No, this guy's going away for jail. He's a bad guy." But the real bad guys were the ones that wanted to hurt you. So some say that's what happened. And then some people who are more, uh, pro-Trump folks had more of a technical question for you. They wanted to know, "How is it in a country like Honduras where presidents can only serve one term for four years? You were able to get Supreme Court to change things to run a second term, and they want to know how some people in America can do that for President Trump to run for a third term." So they're asking a technical question from you. But having said that, who are you? Can you share with the people your story, why you're here,

• 4:06Patrick Bet-David?

  why you're even willing to go talk to camera after being pardoned? The audience wants to know.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Well, again, thank you, but for having, thank you all the team. Uh, the reason because I'm here is because I want the world to know the truth.

• 4:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  When I was sentenced, I told the judge and looked to the press and said, Tell the world that I am an innocent man. Sooner or later, you would find out. Now that you are giving me the opportunity, we are going to talk about things that I haven't said it before. Okay. And I encourage you that you can go deep into this and you are going to see things that are really scary. I couldn't believe that after being called the champion against narcotrafficking in Central America, then the deep state and some agents, some public officials in the United States,

• 5:03Speaker 02

  they were indicting me when they were giving me recognition, prizes. How this started? Honduras became the main bridge between South and North America for drugs to come through Honduras and then to Mexico, as you said before. But the thing is this. With that came a heavy price to the Honduran people. Eighty percent of all the violence was related with drug trafficking. So when you wake up and somebody tell you, I was the Speaker of Congress, and somebody said to me, "Mr. Speaker, this morning, we have the report,

• 5:46Speaker 02

  seventy-six people were killed last night." And I said, "And the day before, seventy-five, and we are just eight million people." When you have that kind of problem, you cannot, in myself, I cannot look the other way. If you look the other way, it's because you already made a decision not to do that. But I am not that kind of guy. And when I was trying to do something, some other people in Congress, they were telling me... Look, Mr. Speaker, they are going to kill us. Remember, a couple of months ago, two years ago, they called the two antidro- antidrop SARS that we have in Honduras.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  But remember what happened in Colombia, when we, when they passed the extradition law. A lot of terrorist attacks, a lot of killings, judges, policemen, so many other people. So, people were scared, but I said, you know, we have to do it. And what I did was what nobody wanted to do. So, we amended our constitution to allow the extradition for almost a century. It wasn't allowed extradition of Honduran nationals to any other country. To do that, I know that I was putting my life at risk, but most scary for me was putting my family's life at risk.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  But at one point, you have to make a decision. What are the country that we are going to inherit to our children? If there is a mess. Then, we became the country with the highest murder rate in the planet.

• 7:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. What year was this? What year is this?

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Was from 2009, eight, nine, ten, and eleven. And I became Speaker of the House in 2010. So, I started to create those instruments in order to go after the narcotraffickers. I did also lead and approve in Congress the anti-launder money law, the seizing law. We create a very controversial law that some people from the United States didn't like it, the Democrats, but from the very far left, they call it the shooting down law.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Illegal planes were coming from Venezuela with cargo, and all of them were landing in Honduras. And what happened, at this, at this...

• 8:27Speaker 02

  What I'm going to say, I haven't said it before. Before I became president, there were three deadly incidents in Honduras. They shoot down three planes. But you know what happened with the chief of the air force? Because of the pressure of the US government, the Democratic administration, the president of Honduras at that time, he fired the chief of the air force. And when I realized that, I said, "How can you do that if this guy, what he's doing is doing his duty?" In any country, if there's an illegal plane carrying drugs that are deadly

• 9:11Speaker 02

  and it is in the Honduran airspace, what are you going to do? You have to do something. And they fired him. So I said, "We are going to create a law with all the protocols based in the international treaties, and we create that law." But before I started as a president, I received the visit of the US ambassador.

• 9:36Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, who fired him? Was it Roberto Michellete?

• 9:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Who fired him?

• 9:41Speaker 02

  The guy who fired was Pepe Lobo.

• 9:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Pepe Lobo? Yes. He's from the same party as you?

• 9:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's also Republican?

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He would be a conservative?

• 9:53Speaker 02

  He's kind of a conservative.

• 9:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so just to bring context. So the one prior to him, Roberto Michellete, if I'm saying it correctly,

• 10:06Patrick Bet-David?

  he was a Democrat, he's a liberal. Then Lobo, is previous to you, comes in. He fires the chief of air force, who shot down three planes that were flying drugs into Honduras and then going to the next state?

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What, how did he explain that to the people when he fired the chief of air force? What did he say on TV?

• 10:29Speaker 02

  They didn't say anything. When I asked them, they told me... We have a pressure from the United States saying that we cannot do that. And I said, "Why?" And they said that some time ago in Peru, there was an accident. They shoot down a civilian plane. There were some passengers from missionary people, nuns. And I said, "Now we have to create a law to be sure of that." Our Air Force, although it is small, but it is the most professional in the region. But when we create that, I'm going to say something else too, that I haven't said it before.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  And if you dig into the classified cables from the State Department and also from the Defense Department, you are going to find out. I met with the former South Commander before I became President. It was in January of 2014. It was a private meeting. But then he made it public because he went to have a meeting in the Senate. And we talked about it with him, with General Kelly. And I told him, "Listen, General Kelly, you know what's going on in Honduras. We're going to extradite people. It's going to be dangerous.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  We need the backup of the United States because we are not as big as Colombia to support the terrorist attack that we are expecting. We are going to transform the police. I need to use the military force because as in the United States, the military in Honduras is very well regarded by the people. So we have to create so many other instruments, but we want to work side by side with you. I have to reform the tax collection system and so many other things." And he said, "But if you use that law, the shooting down law, we are going to be with our hands tied because the State Department doesn't like that."

• 12:37Speaker 02

  And I said, "Listen, the new law is based on the International Treaty of Chicago. And there is a lot of protocols and we are professionals regarding our Air Force." And so... Later on, I found out when I saw the cables during my trial, the classified cables, that he told the State Department, the President Hernandez told me that he was going to do this because it was a very important deterrent. After a year, he said it in Congress. Before that law, let's say, every year was about 300 flights, illegal flights.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  After that law, we have just two. And so that's the reason because in the International Narcotics Strategic Report that the United States issues every year, we are improving the whole time that I was in office. And my government was certified also as a trusted partner in the fight against narcotraffickers. And who made those reports? The DEA, the Coast Guard, but also Customs. And there is in Key West, they have a task force of 19 agencies monitoring that.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  I was invited there with my whole Security Council team and was invited to the White House, to the CIA, to the FBI, to the DEA at the very high level. And we were discussing how this fight was going on. And everybody was saying Juan Orlando is doing unprecedented things and the results are historic. But also, they said, Juan Orlando, he's a man of his word. He managed to approve the extradition when he was the Speaker of Congress. And then, when he became president, he was the first to use that.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  We extradite during my term about 30 Kim Ping from Honduras. But later on... They used that extradition treaty to extradite me. How is that hypocrisy?

• 14:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Who did? US?

• 14:59Speaker 02

  The Biden administration.

• 15:01Patrick Bet-David?

  The Biden administration. Now, we know General Kelly and Trump, you know, how General Kelly feels about Trump.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Couple of years ago, he called him a true fascist and made some comments. But while you're saying this, I want to show something with stats. Rob, can you pull up what happened under the president's watch? Zoom in a little bit when he was talking about crime. So this is Honduras intentional homicide rate per 100,000 population from 2020, 2025. You notice 48.3 per 100,000 goes up, goes up, goes up. Keep going, 2008, 55, 2009, 64, 2010, 74 per 100. Then it's 83, 82, back to back. Then you get elected. 2013, then it's 72, 65, 55, 54, 40, 38, 41, 35, 38, 34. And obviously, the lowest levels we've seen from 2000.

• 15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So what you were doing was working. You said you extradited 30 kingpins out. But when you say Biden's administration, Obama, it seems like you were at one point an ally of Obama, Biden, and Trump. You've gotten along with the left and you've gotten along with the right. What happened for the Democrats to all of a sudden switch on you, flip on you, and come in and, you know, arrest you and you're getting 45 years in prison? You know, the numbers that we've seen.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  What happened is very simple. My policies didn't always match the desires of the Democratic administration.

• 16:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Such as?

• 16:37Speaker 02

  For example.

• 16:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Using the military to fight violence. I create a military police for public order. In our constitution, the military...

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Has the duty to do public order too, but we didn't have that unit. So I create that special unit. You know what I was told by the State Department? You shouldn't be doing that, Mr. President, because you are militarizing the security of your country. And I said, are you aware that we have the highest murder rate in the planet? Are you aware of the corruption in the civilian police? Are you aware of that?

• 17:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Who are you saying this to?

• 17:26Speaker 02

  To the State Department guys.

• 17:27Patrick Bet-David?

  What specific name? Who are you? How high your ranking of leaders in American politics are you speaking to?

• 17:33Speaker 02

  People who were representing the Honduran desk in the State Department. But also, I told them, listen, if you are pressuring me to go back in this, you are asking me to undo what I told the Honduran people that I was going to do during my campaign. I am not that kind of guy. And I said, if you don't want to help us, although this problem of passing drugs through Honduras and this murder rate, you are responsible because in your country you consume the drugs and we are responsible also as a country because it goes through Honduras. And the guys in South America are responsible too because they produce it. We have to work together and everybody do his part.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  But if you don't want to do it, I have to do it. Because it is my country, it is my people who are dying. It is my state who's becoming more corrupt because of this. At one point, there was a judge, he was going to have a hearing about an narco. And you know, 15 days before, his son disappeared. And the same day that was going to be the hearing, the little boy came in into the building of the judge. What do you think that he was going to do?

• 18:57Speaker 02

  They killed in public, in the street, the antidote czar Aristide Gonzalez. And then this, the one who was going to follow after him, they killed him also. Because in a problem like this, of course, not as famous like you, like yours, but he was saying, in Honduras, everybody knows each other. We know who the narcotraffickers are. We know who are the public officials who are doing business or meetings with them. The police is a highly corrupt police force and we have to do something about that.

• 19:37Patrick Bet-David?

  In Honduras?

• 19:38Speaker 02

  In Honduras.

• 19:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And that judge was in Honduras?

• 19:40Speaker 02

  No, this is anti-drug, he was an anti-drug czar. His name was Alfredo Landaberde. But he also worked in Congress because he was from the Christian Democratic Party. He was like an advisor for that whip.

• 19:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But this judge, who they took his son for 15 days and he reappeared in court, in a building, the day of, that judge was in Honduras?

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Was in Honduras.

• 20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  He was, and who took his son away for 15 days? Who was it?

• 20:06Speaker 02

  One cartel.

• 20:07Patrick Bet-David?

  From Mexico or from Honduras?

• 20:08Speaker 02

  No, from Honduras.

• 20:09Patrick Bet-David?

  From Honduras?

• 20:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it. So I'm assuming he sided with narcos, with narco on that day?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  He resigned. He went lost. And so, we have to create, we have to use the advantage, as I saw at that, at that time. I have to use the advantage of getting together with the United States to get rid of those guys. Other people in Honduras said, "You cannot allow that somebody else, other state, is going to judge Honduras." And I said, "Listen, we are in a point that we are going to lose our country. We have to do something about that." The former president, Mel Salaya, who is the husband of the actual lady president, Xiomara Castro.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Once told me, you made a mistake approving the extradition. And I said, why? You know that we need help to get rid of this. What's the biggest problem in Honduras? And he said, well, the Americans are not friends of anybody. You will learn that. But then, time passed, and he opposed the extradition law. But then.

• 21:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Manuel Zelaya.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Manuel Zelaya. But then, he was asked for a guy from the United States. Are you going to get rid of the extradition? When they won in 2021. He said, we will, but first, we are going to use it to extradite Juan Orlando.

• 21:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You're the last person they extradited?

• 21:41Speaker 02

  No, but I was the first in his, when they started. But the funny thing is this. He said that, and then, a very high-profile leader from his party, Liberal Party, but the very radical left. He was bragging in public, and he said, in the, in public television. He said, of course, six months before the election, we were called from the US Embassy. And we sit with the lady candidate. And we make a deal, that they were going to get rid of Juan Orlando, and we agreed not to go to China.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Because during my government, we have relationship with Taiwan. We didn't have with China. But then, that's the reason, because the former Vice President Kamala Harris went to the inauguration of the Lady President, Xiomara Castro. And the same day, at the same time that they were having a meeting, the Vice President Harris and, and the President Xiomara Castro, was the time in which they were put in my indictment, over here. You see how synchronized it was?

• 23:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so the same day that this meeting happens, this picture right here, which is Kamala Harris.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And Xiomara Castro.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Are meeting, on that same day, you get indicted?

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Same exact day?

• 23:14Speaker 02

  The same exact day.

• 23:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so now, so what the average person would speculate is the fact that they came in, supported her to indict you, to say, "You do that, we'll back you up." Is that what you're speculating of what happened?

• 23:32Speaker 02

  It is not speculation, it is what has happened. But also, in addition to that, you see this.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  They, the left in Honduras is really close with the left in Venezuela. They are so close that you see the connection with the Attorney General Pam Bondi said it about three, four months ago, that the Honduran government was receiving money to allow drugs coming from Venezuela passing through Mexico. He, she said it because she knew something about that. And have you heard about the Cartel de los Soles? That's the cartel in Venezuela. The thing is this, when I was in office, I called the Venezuelan ambassador. It was my first term, and I told Mr. Ambassador, "We have a problem."

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Two things. A lot of Venezuelans are here in Honduras. They are claiming that your government is having a repression. You don't allow them to go to the street and you don't, you don't respect the result of the election. And the other thing is, look at these maps. Look at these traces, you know, flights coming from Venezuela to Honduras. I said, "I already spoke to the president in Colombia, and they are helping us to stop that." Because in my government, we create like a maritime chill in the Atlantic and an aerial

• 25:07Speaker 02

  chill in the air and land chill to stop drugs coming through our territory. And so I am going to ask you, ask the president of your country to help us to stop this. And I asked him three times. And at the end, I said, "If you don't have an answer in the next 15 days, you are going to have to leave my country because you don't want to help us with the main problem that we have." And at the end, he said, "I haven't have any answer from my government." And this is Venezuela? This is Venezuela, the same, the same guys. The, so, the left in Honduras and the left in Venezuela, they started a campaign saying that I,

• 25:50Speaker 02

  they were calling me a dictator because I was using the military to stop violence. Then they said narco dictatorship. But the reason because they la- they launched that campaign was because they were trying to hide the links that the Libre Party, the very left party in Honduras had with the narcos. Now it is public, a video, that I couldn't see it properly during my trial because I didn't have the time. I see it more with more time after my trial. And the video is so clear. The brother of the former president,

• 26:33Speaker 02

  who is the brother-in-law of the lady president, was seated with the main narcos in Honduras, making deals, saying, the narcos were saying, "The only chance that we have is for these guys to win. And if they win, they're going to get rid of the tradition and the other laws that I had created when I was a speaker." At that time, were about three, three weeks before the election, that I went to Xiomara Castro. But also, they said, "If we don't do this, we are, I don't want to say the word, but was a curse word, like they were going to be very complicated."

• 27:18Speaker 02

  And so, that video is exculpatory, but they didn't allow me to use it in my trial. Is that video public? It is public. And is it in Spanish or is it in English? It is in Spanish and translated to English. Do we have that video?

• 27:33Speaker 04

  I'm gonna find it right now.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  I, I, I think you do. Was it in the email that was sent to him? I think so. Okay, can you look, and what would be the video if he wanted to look for it? What word should he type to find the video? Xiomara? No, was Carlos Zelaya. Type in Ctrl+F Carlos. Carlos Zelaya and Narcos, could be Libre Narcos meeting. And at the end, they were, they were in agreement saying...

• 28:03Speaker 02

  That they were going to support with, I think was six hundred and fifty thousand

• 28:10Speaker 02

  dollars and some other uh uh help to win the election. It so they wanted them, the the radical left to win the election in order for me to lose. Because I was, they know what's going to happen if I win. And when I win, when I won, we seize almost a billion dollars. And this guy was the same guy who was on my trial. And when he was asked, if you are accusing Juan Orlando of this, do you have any evidence? And he said, no, I don't have anything. Do you have any record of calls? Do you have a video? You have an audio? Do you have a document? I don't have. But you do have a lot of videos from other people.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  And he said, yes, I did. And this is also that, I haven't said it before. When I was reviewing my, my, my, my, they call it discovery. I saw the interviews that this guy have with the DEA. They met in Belize. And this meeting was published by the New York Times a week before I won the election. They were started to have a, a, a meeting to, to work together. So he was asked, he and his brother, tell us the names of the Honduran politicians, public official

• 29:35Speaker 02

  that you work with and you paid them in order to do your business of narcotrafficking. So they give a lot of names, but they didn't mention my name. And at that time, I was the most recognized politician because I just a couple of weeks have won the election. Why they didn't mention me at all for three years that they were talking with the DEA? They mentioned me after because they knew that that, that was the, the, the, the jail free card that they need.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  And when he was asked in, on trial, so tell us, why did you leave Honduras and came to the United States? And he said, well, because we were afraid of their tradition. We were afraid of being incarcerated in Honduras. And so how he was saying that he was protected. And this is the kind of witnesses that they presented in my trial.

• 30:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So, that's interesting. So Kamala comes in, Zomara's, uh, brother was involved. Rob, do you have that clip? I do. So let's look at this here. Can you go back and verify what he just said? You just had something pulled up right there. September 2024, an investigation inside crime released a video recorded in 2013 that purposely, purportedly showed Carlos Zelaya, which is the brother, prominent congressman and brother of current first gentleman, Manuel Zelaya, at a meeting with the leaders of Los, uh, Cachitos, drug trafficking organization. The discussion in the video, the drug traffickers discussed offering more than $525,000 in bribes,

• 31:12Patrick Bet-David?

  some of which claimed would go to the commander in apparent reference to Manuel Zelaya, Zomato Castro's husband. Aftermath, Carlos Zelaya acknowledged that the meeting did take place and he resigned from his leadership position in Congress, but stated he was unaware that individuals, illicit businesses, President Castro described her brother-in-law's actions as a deplorable error. So now, somebody can say the following to you respectfully. Somebody could say, okay, that's obviously makes sense, and I want to go back to Kamala Harris, and I got some questions for you there. But your brother, Tony Hernandez, right? Your brother Tony Hernandez, who is facing life right now, he was in Congress previously

• 31:55Patrick Bet-David?

  himself, I believe, and he had ties to drugs, to traffickers. Even at one point, there was even a, the brick, as you know, they would put the logo of the bricks on the bricks of cocaine that they would sell. Your brother's letters are on a brick of cocaine that says TH, similar to the Tommy Hilfiger logo, TH, which is Tony Hernandez. That's the brick right there, Rob. Yeah, that's what the brick looks like, TH, that says Tony Hernandez. I'm sure you've seen this before. And, you know, uh, uh, his link with a guy he used to do business with because he had uh, locations both in Colombia and in Honduras, making cocaine, dealing with a guy named Rodolfo.

• 32:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, uh, I have his name, Rodolfo, um, you, you, let me give the full name because I want to make sure I get this correctly. I don't want to get this wrong.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  There was, there was a witness.

• 32:48Patrick Bet-David?

  El Cinco, I believe his name was.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Uh, no, uh, El Rojo.

• 32:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, if, if, or El Rojo is somebody else that I, according to my investigation. Rob, if you want to pull up this guy, uh, the Rodolfo, is that it? Rodolfo Alfredo Vergara Bonifante, also known as El Cinco, in coverage tied to your brother Tony Hernandez's case, as described as a cocaine, Colombian cocaine supplier partner. He's a hitman. He's part of, you know, Sinaloa. So what the outside would say, respectfully, Mr. President, is you can't make the claim of the current president's ties that the brother accepted bribes because your brother did the same thing and he's facing life today. This guy stepped down. Yours is facing life,

• 33:34Patrick Bet-David?

  right? Um, so to somebody that may say, I don't know if you have, you can really make that argument. What would you say to somebody knowing your brother had ties to getting money and he's facing life today?

• 33:46Speaker 02

  First of all, now that I have reviewed my discovery, and in that discovery was all the information about my brother's, uh, trial, I am convinced nothing of that was true. But I'm going to tell you something else.

• 34:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  When I saw the style of life of my brother, he didn't have even a new car. He didn't have even, even, uh, uh, money in his account. Everybody knew him in Honduras.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  He was an average guy, a very young guy. When you saw the whole thing that they create about him, everybody was saying in Honduras, it doesn't make any sense at all. But look at this other fact. There is a guy from the DA who led the team who captured El Chapo. And he wrote a book. His name is, his last name is, I think is Cogan, Andrew Cogan. So he said, "We followed El Chapo for almost nine months in a clockwise basis, 24 hours." He wasn't leaving the city.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  He was just moving to another, to another, like a mountain in Mexico. But then he didn't say this. All those tales that during that time, El Chapo was going to South America, to Central America, that's not true. And he was the one who led the capture of El Chapo at that time. And during that time is the allegation of the witnesses saying that about my brother. So the question is, if the prosecutors, the DA, knew about that, why they didn't ask that same agent to go and testify against my brother? And the other thing is this.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Three, no, four, actually four guys who allegedly were in that meeting, they were, they had dealings with the government. They agree, they have a plea deals. But didn't go, they didn't go and testify. Because they know that it didn't happen at all. But now, I don't want to go into more further details because I haven't spoken with my brother for almost seven years. And my, his lawyer is doing some work at this time. You guys haven't spoken for seven years. No, I haven't.

• 36:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that because he can't talk to anybody? Or you've chosen not to communicate with him?

• 36:29Speaker 02

  At the beginning, I said, if they are following him, if they are attacking him because they want to affect me, I don't want to affect him. But then, he was in jail and I was in office. And even though this other part, there was a cable, a classified cable. And I told once to the public official from the US, listen, if you have something related with my brother, and you give it to me, I'm going to be the one giving it to you so that you can prosecute him. But after that, I also asked the US ambassador in Honduras,

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Mr. Ambassador, I don't like this. My family is a very honorable family. What we have is our name. We don't have money, we don't have anything. We are a middle-class family. We are coming from the rural areas.

• 37:26Patrick Bet-David?

  There's great stories about your parents, your family. You come from a...

• 37:29Speaker 02

  From a rural area of Honduras.

• 37:31Patrick Bet-David?

  But you come from a good family. You went to a school in Albany. You went here and then over there in your state, I think you went and became a lawyer. You went to a law school, if I'm not mistaken. So, yeah, the stories about your family is very good. The stories about your brother...

• 37:45Speaker 02

  But this is the point. I told the ambassador, can you ask the DOJ for a meeting? So can my brother go and be interviewed and be interrogated by the DA, by the prosecutors? And he said, but we don't have any guarantees, Mr. President. I said, I am not asking for guarantees. What I'm asking is, if something is wrong and you have to proceed, you can do it. But if you don't have any problem, but also you have to do it. So, he went, he came to the United States. He met with the DA and he came back. Do you think that if we were, if the people who the prosecutors portrayed us like that, I was going to do that?

• 38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I don't know. I, I'm, I'm looking at the, the connection with your brother. Cause you said, I said El Cinco, which is the Rodolfo guy we spoke about earlier. But there's also El Rojo. And that's Victor Hugo Diaz Morales, if I'm not mistaken. And he's the guy that has said that he's killed 18 people. I think one time he shot his girlfriend and even killed, killed a little kid one time, little girl one time.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  A terrible guy.

• 38:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Terrible guy. And there was some ties with him and your brother as well. What's?

• 39:00Speaker 02

  The, the, the problem is that this guy was from Guatemala. He is, Guatemala is close to our hometown. So my brother was doing some, uh, cooking business, uh, I mean, food for small parties. So in, in the, in the place in which we were born. But those guys used to come. My, the problem with my brother, I told him, sometimes you have to avoid people or even tell them directly. I don't wanna be. You don't, you shouldn't be here. But of course somebody else said, if you do that, they are going to kill you. But anyway, that's the thing. Now that I've seen the whole, uh, information, there is nothing.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  But my duty from now on is, as I'm doing it right now, is to explain to the world what really happened. Because truth has to come out.

• 39:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And I appreciate, and that's why we're doing this and I applaud you for doing this. But my point for saying this is because you went after the current president's, uh, uh, uh, brother, uh, Carlos, his ties. And then I was like, well, the other side's gonna tell you about Tony Hernandez and his ties to El Rojo and El Cinco. So it's not like your brother didn't have some ties there. But you're saying your brother's innocent. This is what I wanna get to. Let's go back with the new president. Kamala Harris comes in with her beautiful mask that she's wearing and, uh, you know, to claim that they're extremely safe. And so they're celebrating the new president, you know, winning. And then on that day, you're getting indicted. Great. Have you ever personally had any conversations with Obama, Biden, or Kamala Harris?

• 40:45Speaker 02

  With Obama and with Biden.

• 40:48Patrick Bet-David?

  And what was the context of your conversation with Obama and with Biden?

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Well, with Obama, we started to work, remember in 2014, the...

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Huge wave of unaccompanied children coming from Central and South America. Uh huh. So we started to work in that. And we launched an international event in Honduras trying to manage that thing. And they asked me to come even to speak to the both houses of Congress to tell them that we are what we were going to work together. And I said, listen, I don't need to do that. We are working really close in that because I feel so sad that the coyotes, the smugglers, are using that natural love and empathy of families trying to bring their kids, their

• 41:45Speaker 02

  children, but the children I lost in the, in the way. But at the end, we were very successful in that. But we, we create what we call it like a, a program from the northern triangle of Central America. And Biden was the one in charge of that program. And we were working so close that at some point, I guess that you already have that, that video there, he said it in a publicly in, in Guatemala. He said, Mr. President, referring to me, you are risking your life. You are risking your family life. This is Obama? Uh, Biden. This is Biden.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  And doing a fight against organized crime, and that is also our fight. He said it right there. But then we continue meeting when President Trump won the election, Biden called me and he said, Mr. President, Vice President Pence is in charge of the transition. I wanted to ask you to receive a call from him because we want to continue what we have been doing in the northern triangle. And I received a call from Vice President Pence. So he was given the new administration that I was the one who was doing that work in

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Central America to stop drugs, to stop illegal immigration.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  And how is that then during his administration when he became president, those things changed?

• 43:22Speaker 02

  I mean, it is a hypocrisy of he didn't know what was going on in his government. Sorry to say that.

• 43:30Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Biden.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Biden.

• 43:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that's obvious that, uh, that the current admin, the previous administration under Biden, that Kamala, Biden, Garland, did any of those guys speak with you? Because Garland gave a 21-minute speech where, uh, this is it, I believe, ex Honduras. When you were being extradited, is this the speech, Rob?

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 43:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Just play a few seconds of it. Go forward.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Lando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras, was extradited to the United States to face federal charges. Hernandez is charged with participating in a corrupt and violent drug trafficking conspiracy to facilitate the importation of tons of cocaine into the United States from 2004 to 2022.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  As is charged in the indictment, Hernandez abused his position as president of Honduras from 2014 through 2022 to operate the country as a narco state. Hernandez is alleged to have received millions of dollars from multiple drug trafficking organizations, including from the former leader of the Sinaloa cartel known as El Chapo. In return, drug traffickers in Honduras were allowed to operate with virtual impunity. We allege that Hernandez corrupted legitimate public institutions in the country, including parts of the national police, military, and national congress. And we allege that Hernandez worked closely with other public officials

• 45:03Speaker 01

  to protect cocaine shipments bound for the United States.

• 45:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so during this administration, while they're playing offense like this with you, okay, indictment, you know, smuggling cocaine, the average person watches this. You're a criminal. You're a horrible human being, right? That's what the average person is going to see. During Biden, did Biden, Kamala, Garland, anybody, any of the higher-ups of his uh, uh, organization talk to you, reach out to you?

• 45:36Speaker 02

  With Biden. We work very close with Biden.

• 45:38Patrick Bet-David?

  With Biden?

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So Biden was good with you?

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Himself directly?

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So when you see something like this, how surprised were you? Were you expecting this? Or you're surprised by it?

• 45:48Speaker 02

  And not, I wasn't, I couldn't believe it.

• 45:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so let me get this straight. So when this speech is being made, you're fully surprised. You don't even know, you can't even believe that this is taking place?

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Because this guy, this former Attorney General.

• 46:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Garland.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  He, he was saying that we were using the police. But the other branch of the State Department, they call it I N L, we work with them in how to transform the Honduran police. I was given awards. I was given recognitions because we worked that with the Inter-American Development Bank. And we work with several other, uh, police from Chile and from other countries.

• 46:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  We became like the example of how to purge, how to transform a police force who used to be at the order of the narcos. We fire almost 60% of the police force in Honduras. And that's the reason because I have to use.

• 46:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You make a lot of enemies if you do that. So these are people, it's because I, I know the model. You can bribe them and you can win them over, right?

• 46:59Speaker 02

  But thanks to God, I'm, I'm alive. As you said it, this guy, every, every group of this, they tried to kill me. And right now, if I go back to my country, there is a hate on me. I'm telling you this right now. I haven't said it before. During my trial, I received a report, my lawyer, from the FBI. Unfortunately, my lawyer was so ill that he couldn't come regularly to visit me. But in one case, I was reviewing that. And there was an informant who was talking to the FBI and they, this guy was saying, I was in a meeting, the high.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  The top leaders of the radical left, the Libre Party, were doing agreements with one of the main criminal organizations in Honduras to kill President Hernandez. And then, where they helped that party to win. And then, the other argument was that they were going to kill my daughters, my family, and they killed a son of a former president.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  And it was right there. And I was so mad, and I even asked the judge for a special hearing. I said, "How can, why you didn't tell me this at the time? I can't do anything to protect my family from here, but at least I can call them." And at this point,

• 48:31Speaker 02

  the Attorney General Office in Honduras, they didn't say anything about that.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  And now, how is that Garland was saying that when all other branches of government in the United States, they were applauding, they were saying, "That model that Honduras has to transform the police is the model that we need in the region."

• 48:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's, and so is your family now out of Honduras? Do you have any family there still, or no?

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, and this morning, from very early in the morning, I have to call them because

• 49:10Speaker 02

  the president, the lady president, said about 3:00 in the morning, posted in her social account, that I was going to get into the country, and she was fearing a coup d'etat, and I was going to empower the new president.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't, I don't, I cannot back to my country right now because I know what is going on over there. The political persecution, but also all the enemies, some people who were extradited during my administration, they are already back in Honduras. But also, the Honduran people last Sunday already spoke. Eighty percent of the Honduran people rejected the radical left government. So they are trying to create a crisis to still the election as the style of the Venezuelan government does it every time. And they are, they have been using me for almost 12 years to create crisis.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  And now I have to put, before I came here with you, a post saying, that's another trick, that's another lie. What Honduras needs is finally to count the last vote and the institutions have to be preserved. And all the civil society, the, the, the other groups and the international observers, and who already said that the election is okay, we just want to finish counting the last vote. And we already know who is, who won the election. But that's the way that these people operate.

• 50:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And Rob, who is this, Yomara Castro de Zelaya, she's the current president. She said this eight, eight hours ago.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:02Patrick Bet-David?

  "To the Honduran people, I report with historical responsibility that based on verified intelligence information, Juan Orlando Hernandez, pardon in the US, plans his entry into the country to proclaim the winner of the elections at the same time that an aggression is underway aimed at breaking the constitutional democratic order through coup against my government in the face of the serious situation. I urgently request the conscious and peaceful support of the Honduran people. I call upon the people's social movements, collectives, grassroots organizations, militants and citizens to urgently and peacefully gather in Tegucigalpa to defend the popular mandate, reject any coup attempt, and make visible to the world that a nuke is being hatched there." Do you have any plans of going back?

• 51:47Speaker 02

  I cannot go back right now. I am, if, if you allow me.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Although President Trump already pardoned me, and he has the courage to do it because he already passed. I mean, for what I have been go through, the lawfare against him is, I mean, I haven't seen a case in history where he faced it. So he understood and he knows what really happened with my case, so he pardoned me. But you know, I haven't seen my family for almost four years. And now, now they are facing those threats. I want to reunite me with my family. For a while, meanwhile, the new government in Honduras is established.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  I want to go back to my country. My, my dream is to take care of my family. My, my mother, my children, my grandchildren. And, and that's what it is. But you know, being there right now, they are in danger. So, and the Biden administration, they took away their visas. And they couldn't even come to my trial. Your family's visas were taken away by the Biden administration? Yeah.

• 53:08Patrick Bet-David?

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• 53:52Speaker 02

  You know that they didn't even come to my trial? When I see other trials from the really bad narcos, the real ones, and their family is right there, and my family couldn't come.

• 54:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. That's unbelievable.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  You know how makes me feel?

• 54:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my God.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  That's not, that's cruel and inhumane.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 54:25Patrick Bet-David?

  That's terrible to hear that. And by the way, do you know who did? Who took the visas away? Anybody specific? Because I don't know if Biden did it. Somebody on his team probably did it. Because it doesn't sound like you have a bad relationship with Biden.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  No, I think that he didn't even know about that. I think it was things, I mean, it was a group of the very radical left in the Biden administration that did this, this whole thing. I guess there were people from the State Department and the White House.

• 54:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But you don't know any names of who that would have been?

• 55:01Speaker 02

  I have an idea, but I don't want to, I don't want to say it. What I know is that there was a guy during the Biden administration, he was applauding me every time, even taking pictures with me. When President Trump won the election, he asked my former chief of staff if I can go to meet Biden. And I said, "Listen, but the United States has already a new president. My relationship is with President Trump." But anyway, I went, and Biden was there. And this guy was there, he was setting up the meeting. And I said, "So this is going to be your campaign headquarters?"

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Something like that. Because I want to be, put distance between that political thing. And he said, "No, no, no, not like that." And when I was signing the third country agreement to stop illegal immigration with President Trump, we sided in New York. And before I did that, I went to several countries in Central America to talk to the president so that we can do it together, as Charles Wolf said in a video, and I think it is in the presentation. Charles Wolf was saying, President Hernandez, help us to convince the other leaders of the region to do that. And when I signed it, that the same day that guy started to attack me recklessly.

• 56:32Patrick Bet-David?

  The same guy?

• 56:33Speaker 02

  The same guy.

• 56:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And do we know this guy?

• 56:36Speaker 02

  I don't want to say it right now, but I'm gonna give you the information.

• 56:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I'm gonna give, so, because you're gonna have, one name's gonna be Blinken.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  I'm sorry?

• 56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  One name would be Blinken, Anthony Blinken, okay?

• 56:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think it's Lloyd Austin.

• 56:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Mayorkas?

• 56:59Speaker 02

  I, I, I don't remember clearly if his name was, last name was Gonzalez.

• 57:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Menendez or Gonzalez?

• 57:07Speaker 02

  Gonzalez, the same one who was making deals with the Venezuelan regime.

• 57:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  It's the very radical left.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  But you know, some, there is, this is the other part of the Democratic Party.

• 57:29Patrick Bet-David?

  One, Sebastian Gonzalez?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  I don't know if, I don't remember.

• 57:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Director, senior director of National Security Council for the Western Hemisphere of the US.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Could be that.

• 57:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Leader, he reported to Jake Sullivan.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. But you know, several congressmen and senators used to come to Honduras and to see how things was going on. And the, the, the, the funny part is this, they came to the Senate or the House and they report to their committee. And there was a consistency between the International Narcotic Strategy Report saying that Honduras was improving every year. It is right there. And that information is produced by the DEA, Coast Guard, and the Customs. But also, when they went to Honduras and they meet with the US Embassy team, the security team, they came to report. And one senator said...

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Something really good is happening in Honduras. And it has to do with the new leadership of President Hernandez. Now, the two, two very bad guys came to surrender to the United States because they felt the heat from the President Hernandez government. And you know who one of those guys was? One who was lying in my trial. And he was a senator who was brief and who went to Honduras. He even came, they went, some of them even came to my home to tell me, "Could you please talk to the other presidents in the region so that we can expand what you have here in Honduras?"

• 59:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this a well-known senator in the US?

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Yes, several.

• 59:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have their names or?

• 59:15Speaker 02

  I don't remember clearly, I remember that he was from Delaware.

• 59:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Delaware is where Biden's from.

• 59:21Speaker 02

  But, but I can, I can send you the names and the photos and the, and everything. And there were meetings also and they were asked about how Honduras were doing. And they were saying words like this. "He took on presidential measures, the historic results are right there. He's a man of his word." And they even said in the cables and they told me in, in private, "As never before, look at this, as never before, the United States has a close and effective relationship against narcotraffickers that with the government of President Hernandez." And that is in the classified cable.

• 1:00:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, is that Tom Carper?

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  I think, yeah, he used to be in my home.

• 1:00:09Patrick Bet-David?

  He, Tom Carper used to be in your home?

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And so he's thankful for what you're doing. He's asking you to talk to the people around to minimize the cartels and work with other world leaders. And then he comes back around and reports to the Senate. And then he sides against you?

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:00:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a good guy.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  He didn't say anything that I know.

• 1:00:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  But, but in the, in the Senate report, in the, how do you call the, the, the? The place and they put all the hearings. You are going to find that information over there.

• 1:00:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it, okay. Interesting. Well.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  And I can send it to you too.

• 1:00:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I'd love to see it. I would love to see it. But let's, let's stay on this because, Rob, if you can pull up the map, do me, just pull up the map where on the PowerPoint that he has, can you go show where? Okay. If you can go to present mode if you could.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  But also if I can add something else. There were not only this, the international narcotic strategic report saying that the improvements of Honduras against the drug traffickers. My administration was certified every year during my two terms as a reliable partner in the fight against drugs. And that report by law has to be sent on March every year from the Office of the President, in the name of the President, to Congress so that Congress can allocate money to the agency so that they can work with a reliable partner. It is right there.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  It is in the official documents. And so when you, when you ask if they knew this, and then in my case, there was a single US official testifying against me, it was, that's, that's what we call a lawfare because it was for political reasons. Because they didn't like that I was using the military as, as, that I was tough in law and order. They didn't like also I back up what the decision of President Trump moving the embassy from Jerusalem, from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. I did the same too.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  I back up Israel in the United Nations as well. The, the new concepts that we create to, to attract investors to Honduras as the new free economic zones, after that I went to see how they function in South Korea, in Singapore, in Asia, they were all against those ideas. They said, they said that we're too libertarians. And I said, listen, it is in Honduran territory. I want Honduras to be.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  Exposed to the best opportunities so that they can come and invest. And we are very well located in the central of the continent. We create a dry canal to move cargo from the Pacific to the Atlantic. And of course, I wanted a train to do that faster because the Panama Canal doesn't, it is not enough to move all the maritime cargo that move from one ocean to the other. So these other things, I mean, they didn't agree on that. And so many other things, for example, Honduras is a very Christian population.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Ninety-four percent could be Catholics or evangelicals. And they were pressuring me to change our constitution because in the constitution there is something that, a provision that nobody can adopt children if they are couples of the same sex. And I said, listen, any president wanted to do that in Honduras, all the churches of the people from faith is going to overthrow that government.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  So you have to understand that we have our own values. We believe in family. Of course, we respect if anybody is, let's say, gay or however they can gonna call it, if it is a human being, we have to respect them. But you know, if you are going to talk to children that you can go to the school

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  dressed like a little girl or whatever, you cannot do that in Honduras. So there were so many other things that they didn't like. So in Honduras, a gay couple cannot adopt kids? No.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  No. It's in the constitution for almost twenty years ago.

• 1:05:20Patrick Bet-David?

  It's in the constitution that gay couples cannot adopt kids in Honduras.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Very interesting. Uh, so, y- you know, as we're going through this, it's making me think about something. And I want to come back to all these flows of how drug is coming in, how it was in oh seven and how it changed. Um. It reminds me of you being the person that gave the playbook of what Bukele is doing right now.

• 1:05:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Because if I look at your playbook, you came in Honduras, all the drugs is going through you. You don't make cocaine, Colombia does, but it goes through Venezuela, you Guatemala, and then Mexico, right? Okay. So. You come in, in Honduras, a president can only, uh, serve one term. I think it's four years. In El Salvador, a president can only serve one term, I think it's five years. Okay? So you come and you were able to change the constitution so you can go for a second term.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Well. I didn't ask the Supreme Court to rule in that way. There was a group of congressmen, mayors, and other people, former presidents. And they went to make a request saying, if the mayors in Honduras can be reelected, if congresspeople can be reelected. But also Honduras has signed a treaty that we have to respect the political rights of the citizens who want to choose. You have let them do it. And the other right is the guy who is in office.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Because at the end is the will of the people, if they want to vote for him or not, if he's in office. But during my reelection, the good, the other good part is that every party that wanted to compete went to compete.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  They participate. I asked so many governments to send observers and they were there. And the people of Honduras choose.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  That was the, the highest.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  Votes that a candidate could have in history.

• 1:07:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm aware, so that means the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court was probably on your side when they did this. I'm assuming they wanted you to be re-elected, but this is kind of where I'm going with this, with Bukele. Where I'm going with this with Bukele is, you went in 2013, became president, he became president in 2019. So, six years prior to you, he became president. You're a young man yourself, he's much younger, but you're in your 50s, he's now in his 40s, I believe, I think he just turned 40, maybe 39, 40 years old, 41 years old. He goes in and he goes after Mara Savatrucha, MS-13, right? You go after your drug lords, how old is he right now, Rob? 44, okay. So, you

• 1:08:23Patrick Bet-David?

  go after the narco, he goes after MS-13. He puts them in jail and crime rate drops dramatically. If you can pull up the data of what happened to crime rate in El Salvador, it's astonishing when you look at that, okay? Whether he did it or his people did it, Supreme Court changes, now he can run infinitely and be the president. Some people call him a, not a dictator, but there's different wars that you call Bukele. Now, he's made the place safer, they like him, it's great. Yeah, he lowered it from 38 per 100,000 in 19 to 20, to 17, to 7.8, to 2.4. Right now, it's 1.9 per 100,000. Insane figures they've never seen before,

• 1:09:04Patrick Bet-David?

  right? So, goes after MS-13, you go after narco. He cleans up crime, you clean up crime.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  We create a new security, high-security prisons too.

• 1:09:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so meaning he's modeling you, right? But the difference is, you know, they come after you, but they leave him alone.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  They were coming after him too. If President Trump doesn't win...

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  That's my deduction. They were coming after him.

• 1:09:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So if President Trump doesn't win, they go after Bukele next?

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:09:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So what you're telling me is right now, if a Newsom wins in 2028.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  And also creating stories. Nothing, um...

• 1:09:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  Solid.

• 1:09:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  You know why? We have to realize, if you look at the world. Look. Lady Le Pen in France, right now. Look Bolsonaro. Look Bibi Netanyahu. Look President Trump. By excellence, he is the example of political persecution. Look at this other lady, President Nunes, in Bolivia. She just went out of jail. Look at my case. This is part of the playbook of the radical left in the planet. And that's the reason, because they were trying to go after President Bukele too.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  It's clear at this water.

• 1:10:45Patrick Bet-David?

  What's their playbook?

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  To go after leaders of the conservative movement.

• 1:10:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Why?

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Because they want to destroy in order to give the opportunity to them. What happened in Honduras was, they attacked me, they pushed me hard, my party too, in order for the radical left to go in power. This is what they did. And I'm going to send you a more detailed information so that you can have it, and you can see for yourself. But also, being here, I could ask anybody not to rely on whatever media says. Please go and do your own research. You have done, I am impressed, when I was talking with your people,

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  how deep you were into my past and everything. But you have to do that in order to understand what is going on. Because nobody wanted to do what I have to do. And I have to do it even though I knew that I was not only in danger myself, but my family. Because at the end... I cannot look back to the other way as the former presidents in Honduras did. If I knew that something was terrible, terribly bad in Honduras, I have to do something because that's what I am. And I have to clean my name, the name of my family, the name of my team, and the name

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  of the country that at that point decided to get rid of that violence. Of course, had a heavy price. And it could be easy for me at the beginning, saying, okay, I'm going to make a deal. What do you want me to say? And I'm going to be free in two years, three years, and some of these other guys did. You know, one of the guys who testified against me, he told the judge that he was responsible for fifty-seven deaths, and he wasn't even six years in jail. He was walking around in the streets in the United States. But then President Trump, ICE, sent them to Honduras.

• 1:13:03Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a guy from Honduras. He killed fifty-seven people in Honduras. He's in the streets here in America. He only did six years in jail, and President Trump...

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Less than six years.

• 1:13:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Less than six... What's this guy's name?

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  Alexander Ardon.

• 1:13:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Alexander Ardon?

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:13:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Who gave him only six years?

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  The Biden DOJ. They make a deal. And this is the other part of what...

• 1:13:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, right. Alexander Ardon, a former Honduran mayor and convicted drug trafficker, confessed to involvement in fifty-six murders and trafficking tons of cocaine to the US in plea deal. He was sentenced to time served in the US federal court, January twenty-two, to exchange his extensive cooperation as a witness in major drug cases, including the trial of former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. And there is another guy who told the judge that he was responsible of seventy-eight killings in Honduras. He's the leader of Los Cacheros. And I bet that he was about to get out too.

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  Because of those deals. And when he was asked in 2013 about the politicians who were working with him, he didn't even mention me. And he said, "No, the only thing that I have about John Orlando is that my brother gave $250,000 to his campaign, and my brother was in a meeting with him. He put my brother put me in a video call." And at what time was that? Somebody asked. 2011, 2012? We didn't even have cell phone services at that time in that place. That's how they create those things. You see?

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  And now, the damage that they have done to the image of my team, of my country, my family. I was thrown in a jail like three or five days before President Trump became in office. They ordered that I have to be moved to a jail in Hazleton. When I went there, some people told me, "You shouldn't be here." Other guy told me, "I cannot be with you in my cell because my group has a rule. You are part, you were part of the law enforcement.

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  You were at the highest level." They can ask me to stab you, and I have to do it.

• 1:15:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Hazleton, is this, by the way, this is the one Rivera Maradiaga?

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Who killed 78 people in 2013? And he was, so you're in jail, and a guy's saying, "If they find out you're my cellmate, they tell me to stab you, I have to do it."

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is your cellmate?

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, he didn't want me to be in his cell.

• 1:16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So what, did they move you?

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  Well, I have to, I have to go to find another place in order to avoid that.

• 1:16:12Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Hazleton?

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. There were some others saying to me...

• 1:16:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up Hazleton rap?

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  There were some others telling me, "Listen, you shouldn't be here. You are in danger here. It is really complicated, and there is a lot of people from the cartels from Mexico."

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  And why didn't send me over there? The only explanation that I have is because they wanted to get rid of me.

• 1:16:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you. So they put you there so somebody would kill you to get rid of you?

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  That's my deduction.

• 1:16:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That, uh, that logic makes sense to me. That logic makes sense to me. If somebody wants to get rid of you, have somebody else do it. They're already doing life anyway. So what do they have to lose? Nothing. It's an easy way to get rid of a target. Yeah. This, by the way, this jail, if some people are wondering who stayed here. Whitey Bulger stayed at this jail. Okay? Um, Anthony Tona Costa, mob-related inmates after Bulger. Okay, you got some very MS-13 and Latin King cartel killers stay at this place. These are the names you got. Fotios Freddy Gis, Frank Cadillac Frank, Salami, James Alec Fields Jr.

• 1:17:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You got some interesting people that stayed here. So they're sending you to a place as if you're a full-on killer is what you are. That's who they put you with. And you, you said you got three, four. So this is January 16th, January 15th? Is that around the day of 2025 when they put you in jail?

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  Uh, no, it was the 21.

• 1:17:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, this is first time. When, when Trump lost. This is after, uh,

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  No, when President Trump wins, this last time, five days before, they gave the order to move me.

• 1:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  To move you to Hazleton?

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm saying. So January 15th. Cause Trump, oh, Trump won, but he got elected. He, he was inaugurated January 20th. So is this in October or is this in January?

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  In January.

• 1:18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  In January. Got it. And when you were there, is this where you met Sam Bankman-Fried? Where did you meet Sam Bankman-Fried from, uh?

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  It was in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, I was in a, in a special unit. And of course I met Sam there. Uh, this other guy who is, um, A singer, you call it mogul, music mogul. Diddy? Yeah, yeah. You were in prison with Diddy and Sam Bankman-Fried? Yeah. Did you speak with them? Yes, well, at the beginning, you know, I didn't know them as the figures of they were. I, I, I mean, I'm not, but also I was just by myself, you know, reviewing my case and my things. There was another guy, a rapper, he's very famous, they call it sixty-nine, I, I think.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  And, um, but I didn't know, uh, uh, until the other inmate told me. Takashi Six-Nine? Yeah, they called me, those guys are, are, are really big in music and things like that. But with Sam, we developed a, a close relationship. He, he, he was, we were talking about my case, things like that. I met my, his, uh, his father and, and, and mother. And, um, because he, at one point, I was really preoccupied about my family. When they, when I know that they had that green light from the MS thirteen for, uh, over my daughters. Uh, and I said, you know, I, I cannot sleep, I, I don't know what can I do?

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  And he said, uh, listen, you have to move your family from, from Honduras. But I said, I don't have any means to do it. And we were, you know, talking about how can we do? And at the end, I told my lawyer, you have to call my wife and you have to tell her and do whatever you want. You have to do in order to, to protect them. But at the end, they have to be in my home for almost three months without going out at all. And, uh, you know, it's, at, at one point, I said to God.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  I made my peace with God and I said, "My Lord, you can do whatever you want with me. It is, you're right, but please protect my family." That's just what I'm asking.

• 1:20:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Did Sam Bankman-Fried help you financially with the family or no?

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:20:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  At all.

• 1:20:34Patrick Bet-David?

  What was he like to you? Was it a, did you enjoy the conversation?

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  He was a very quiet guy, but he was a, he had new ideas about the war. And when he was reviewing my case, he said, "Listen, this is clearly a setup." And I said, "But how can I explain this? You already passed for a trial and you know what it is." And it is hard, you know, when the prosecutors and the judge agree that you cannot, for example, they didn't allow me to bring the experts from Honduras to explain to jurors how I passed those laws, to pass the extradition law, the seizing of assets law,

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  the anti-money laundering law, the reform of the police. It's easy to say it, but to do it is a huge risk. And they were going to come to explain to that. And you know, the judge agreed with the prosecutors and they didn't allow them to come to do it.

• 1:21:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know what Sam Bankman-Fried said about you? Have you read what he said about you or no?

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  My daughter was explaining it to me.

• 1:21:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Sam Bankman-Fried told Mario Nafal, Rob, I think you have it somewhere. And he explains to him that, he says, "I spent a year and a half in the same unit as Juan Orlando. I got to know him fairly well. I'd like to think we became friends. And I can't think of a single inmate more deserving of a pardon. He was framed and SPF spent extensive time helping yourself with trial prep and review the evidence." And his account, "You were convicted in 2024 for decades-long cocaine conspiracy involving hundreds of murders, but the actual evidence, a ceremonial machine gun, a selfie with a cartel-connected soccer fan." And testimony from the exact cartel leaders,

• 1:22:41Patrick Bet-David?

  you were arrested and extradited. Those cartel leaders were offered early release if they could implicate a bigger fish. They chose to testify against the man who put them in prison. The result, your presidency murder dropped fifty percent, drug trafficking dropped ninety percent. Every major cartel leadership, extradited to the US SPF. He wasn't just a narco trafficker. He wasn't just not a narco trafficker. He was probably the most effective anti-cartel leader in the world. Juan Orlando is the most innocent prisoner I've met, including myself. The pardon came days before Honduras November thirty election, where Trump endorsed Nasri Asfuda of your national party.

• 1:23:22Patrick Bet-David?

  The race is now a technical tie. The Trump warning, there will be hell to pay if the electoral body changes. The result. That's what Sam Bankman-Fried said about you. Interesting. Did you ever speak to Diddy? Was Diddy would?

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  A couple of words. You know,

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  we were getting into the elevator coming from the legal.

• 1:23:44Patrick Bet-David?

  He doesn't like elevators. It's bad news to be around elevators with him.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  But I didn't know him at all. And he said, so you are going to Fort North, was the same floor. I said, yes. Uh, so you are the new guy. And he said, yes. And he said, why you advise me? And I said, look, you have to keep your mind busy.

• 1:24:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You told him?

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you are go, you have to do exercise every day. If you like music, you have to.

• 1:24:14Patrick Bet-David?

  He likes other people's music.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  But also, but also, uh, if you are going to fight your case, get into that with your lawyers. Be busy because this thing could make you crazy. But if you focus on that, and then he continued to do that. There were some some discussion between another guy between if they were going to see some some channel from the news or the other. And I said, listen.

• 1:24:40Speaker 02

  Take your time, don't fight about that.

• 1:24:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, he was fighting with another guy?

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  No, they were discussing, but I was trying to stop like a fight.

• 1:24:48Patrick Bet-David?

  He was trying to watch a documentary by the guy in 50 Cent. Yeah, he wanted to watch it on, but that's interesting. So, but was he cordial with you? Was he respectful with you?

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, very respectful. At one point, I was watching a dish and there was another dish there.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  It was dirty. I don't know which dish, who was belonged to. And I watched it. And so he came. And I said, "Thank you for watching my dish." Well, I didn't know that was yours. And I said, "A president watching?" And I said, "Listen, I mean, I can clean the floor here. I was raised like that. I don't care about those things."

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  They think that because you are a president, you are like a... No, I mean, it is, it's, it's, it's the way that you are raised. And I think that that's, that's helped me with a lot of respect from so many people in jail too.

• 1:25:47Patrick Bet-David?

  How long were you with all of them? With SPF, with Diddy, with Takashi?

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  With this guy, Takashi, I think it was about that, a couple of months.

• 1:25:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, really?

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  With Diddy could be a little bit longer than that. And with Sam, I think could be a year and a half.

• 1:26:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so you guys, you guys spent real time together with Sam?

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, with Sam, we prepared a lot of questions for my trial. And unfortunately, my lawyer, we lost confidence and trust with him, but we lost communication. And at the end, when I finally came and said, "Listen, I know that you don't have any question for, question for the witnesses. I already worked on that." And then when he was looking at that, he said, "This is amazing. Well, I did your work. Now, please do it."

• 1:26:43Speaker 02

  But he couldn't do it.

• 1:26:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this a guy that was sick? The guy?

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. He was really sick, but also he was, he was taking care of his mother. She was also sick. And I bet that he also was afraid of some things.

• 1:26:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course. I mean, if they're, if you're his lawyer, his life's probably also on the line. Would you ever, if?

• 1:27:07Patrick Bet-David?

  With what Zomara was saying on that, on her tweet, would you ever aspire to go back and be the president again if the people want you to be president of Honduras again?

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  I believe that I did my duty as a citizen serving my country. I consider myself a soldier for my country. If they ask me to do something, I will. But, you know, going into the public arena again, that's going to avoid to pay a debt that I feel with myself. You know, because I was so immersed in my work. Remember that I was 16 years in Congress?

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  And I was Secretary of Congress, which is one of the more demanding jobs in Honduras. And then I was Speaker and two times President. I couldn't spend the quality time that I need with my family. Sometimes you are at home, they are there at your table, but you are not there.

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  And I feel bad about that because now that I'm being in jail,

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  I'm being blessed. My wife was always there, my children, every day. All this information that I, sometimes I couldn't even remember things. They were digging in and they put it together. So I want to spend the rest of my life with my family, enjoy my grandchildren. And of course, I have to do this duty to explain the world what the truth is. Because what I want to inherit to my children is a clean name.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  It's also to help the team that I put together. They also risk their lives. But also, the name of Honduras has to be clean. It has to be recognized that although we were very complicated at that time, there was a generation who took the risks to change that, and we did it.

• 1:29:21Patrick Bet-David?

  So the challenge, the challenge with that is, if, it seems like a pattern of if a person on the left gets elected president of the US, you guys are screwed. So if you go back and your success is reliant upon Americans supporting you, cleaning up the streets and cleaning up your country, when those people are not there, they're not gonna have your back, then what do you do?

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  Well, you have to, we have to figure out, because we, we cannot longer be, uh, we cannot go back to what we were.

• 1:29:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I wanna, I wanna-

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  And that's the reason, because the people voted so overwhelmingly against the radical left. The same ones that for 12 years were calling me narco dictatorship, they did it because they were hiding the links that they have, that now they are exposed. They even terminate the extradition treaty to avoid them to be extradited here. But also, now, you know, that doesn't work for them trying to create lies or whatever. That's the reason, because I also, before I came here, I have to put a tweet responding to the, to the, to the lady president.

• 1:30:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you tweet already at her, or no?

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:30:42Patrick Bet-David?

  What did you say? Can you go up to it, Rob?

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  You can look at the Juan Orlando Hernandez.

• 1:30:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think it's that one.

• 1:30:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the, go to people, Rob?

• 1:30:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the account?

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Uh...

• 1:30:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No, that's not it. I just found it yesterday.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  You can go com, or you can go to Instagram, it's, it's more clear.

• 1:31:07Patrick Bet-David?

  It's one Orlando H. Just go to one Orlando H. Don't put Hernandez, just put one Orlando H. And it will come up, right there, the first one. There you go, there you go.

• 1:31:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, there.

• 1:31:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so which one is it? Is it this one, the accusation? Okay, zoom in a little bit. The accusation made by Ismerkessa completely follows there's no plan for my entry into the country nor any time to break the constitutional order. This narrative only seeks to spread panic, distract the public and create chaotic and tactic well-known from the leaders of Libre. For 12 years, my name has been used to distract. In the past four years, the government has relied on hate and lies as a smokescreen to hide its absolute failure. The strategy no longer works. The people of Honduras rejected him clearly and decisively at the polls. Today, once again, they are launching, Rob can increase it up a little bit, another attack using my name to cling to power through chaos. We are not in 2021. Their lies have been exposed. Honduras must keep a firm

• 1:32:04Patrick Bet-David?

  focus on the special vote tally awaiting the official results from the CNE. The process must be monitored and supported by all sectors of Honduran society as well as the national, international observers. Election matters to all of us, not just the political parties. I have been clear in my public statement. I have no intention of returning to Honduras at this time precisely because this government has shown it is not respect guarantees of rights and because my security and that my family would be seriously at risk due to the evident political persecution and weaponization of justice against me. Once again, time has proven me right. I have information that has led to attacks in my life, that of my family and that of my family. One thing is political or ideological difference, another is entirely crossing the line and putting humans' lives on the line. I hold the current government leaders and leadership of Libre fully responsible for any

• 1:32:49Patrick Bet-David?

  attack, persecution and risk on my family, or I may face history will judge those who use the power of state to intimidate, persecute and so hatred among Honduran brothers and sisters. My only desire to be my family, recover lost time and heal as a father, husband, son. I want to care for my loved ones and as a good Honduran, I wish for peace, unity and prosperity for my country so that Honduras may grow, strengthen and move forward. May God continue. May God protect and bless Honduras.

• 1:33:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Question for you about, because when you go through this process and someone thinks and says, "Okay, why would the president pardon you?" Okay, one, you know, Roger Stone is very good at what he does, and he can come in and say, "Hey, this guy's innocent, he didn't do anything wrong, we should pardon this guy." Okay, then you're pardoned, fine. Two is, you could play a role in making South and Central America safer. Because when you think about, you know, what's going on over there with Maduro, every day we're seeing what's going on with Maduro. Another boat, another boat, another boat, another boat. And A, you know, President Trump is trying to get involved with Maduro, and Maduro's going after Musk, Maduro's going after Trump, and then he says, "Don't worry, be happy,

• 1:34:04Patrick Bet-David?

  we're gonna be okay, we don't want a war, we don't want this." In your eyes, how big of a role is Maduro playing in everything that's going on in South and Central America?

• 1:34:21Speaker 02

  We could see it in two different times. If you look back five, six, eight years ago, was a really important role, because they, he inherited the, all this system that Chavez created, and Chavez was very good at that. And, but in Honduras, the last times, the last years, he's very influential. Listen to this, everybody knows in natural America and in the planet, that Maduro stole the last election. But the Honduran government, the later president, said it publicly, "There is no doubt at all, the winner is President Maduro."

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  That's not even just a joke, it's a bad joke. But they are so close that they are willing to risk their law approving ratings. But the other thing is that when the Attorney General Pam Bondi said, um, the drugs are coming from Venezuela and then go through Honduras. She knows what I know for almost thirteen years, fifteen years. And they are so close. That's the reason because I expelled the Venezuelan ambassador at that time.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  But the other relationship is that they, all the tactics that they use, for example, creating those small groups of radicals, they put weapons on their hands, they go and fire the streets, they burn homes of the political opposition. They have done that in Honduras too. And right yesterday, they were taking the streets, putting fires with tires, with whatever, trying to block everything, trying to protest. Unfortunately, the police and the army forces, they said, "We have to protect the results of the election." That's the will of the Honduran people.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  But now the president, the later president, is punishing, removing those officials who did that protection to the citizen yesterday.

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  What is that you're playing?

• 1:36:48Speaker 04

  Uh, this is the protest ongoing in Honduras as of nineteen hours ago.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  This is as of nineteen hours ago in Honduras? That's what those groups of radicals from the left were doing. Because they already know that they lost the election. They don't want the electoral body to come with the final result. Because they want to continue in power. Those are the guys.

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  It's the same script, the same playbook that they use in Venezuela.

• 1:37:23Speaker 02

  They call it colectivos. Colectivos. Yeah.

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  So, who won though?

• 1:37:34Speaker 02

  I have to be respectful of the institutions, they have to pronounce. But what I'm going to tell you is,

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  what I know about the count of the copy of each electoral poll document that our party has. Our party win the election, won the election, clearly. But they have to count it in the electoral process. Because in Honduras, if there is a table, and let's say 200 people come to vote here, every party has a representative. But the electoral body also has a representative. But also, you can come as a citizen, five meters, five meters far, and you can be recorded whatever you want.

• 1:38:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's how you guys do it in Honduras?

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So people actually trust elections in Honduras?

• 1:38:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, everybody's involved in that.

• 1:38:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, did you hear that, Rob? Did you hear what, so you got one from each party there, representative, and people can come within five meters, five meters is 15 feet?

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Give or take. Five meters away, they can record and stream it live and the people can see it?

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  And I promote that reform when I was in Congress.

• 1:38:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that a new law?

• 1:38:48Speaker 02

  It is in the law.

• 1:38:49Patrick Bet-David?

  When did that happen?

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Uh, I think like, when I was in Congress, I think it was 2013? Something like that. But the thing is this, everybody's counting and they said, "This is the ballot."

• 1:39:06Speaker 02

  And let's say liberal party, national party, and everybody can be recording there. But also the ones who are on the table, they are taking notes. That copy for each party, we are very good at keeping those records. So, the information that I have from that, with that process, is that we win the election in the three levels: presidency, congress, and mayors.

• 1:39:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And who was the candidate for presidency?

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  Uh, Tito Azura.

• 1:39:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Good guy?

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  Good guy, very humble, very charismatic, hardworking. He has been all around the country. And, um, and of course, I had to tell you the words of President Trump, uh, the other day.

• 1:39:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Saw that.

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  Um, how could I say, show up, do really, what really was going on with the other candidates?

• 1:40:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Last thing I'm gonna say to you is because while they're giving the pardon to you, you know, it, it makes me think about how things have worked over the years. And I'm not even talking about your pardon, but my mindset. 1976, uh, George Bush Senior is the Director of CIA. There's a lot of drugs going on in South, Central America, a lot of issues. So in 1976, while he's the Director of CIA, Noriega goes to see him from Panama, okay?

• 1:40:41Patrick Bet-David?

  And he goes to see him, comes back allegedly, you can verify this, Rob, it could be wrong, but allegedly the CIA ends up paying him almost $200,000 a year, okay? For him to give intel to us, to the CIA. By 83, he's making millions of dollars a year, tens. Noriega's on fire, he's doing very well for himself. And every single time, oh, so he was on the payroll? Yes, he was on, can you find out what the number was? No evidence of Bush personally authorized it? I just wonder what the number was? I, I hear it was almost $200,000. So he gets on the payroll, then he starts making millions of dollars. In exchange of being on the payroll and allowing to do the drug deal,

• 1:41:27Patrick Bet-David?

  every single time one of the drug disputes took place and they didn't pay him, he would give their names to the DEA and they would get arrested. Well, by 83, 85, 86, it was no longer, the communism and Russia was no longer the enemy. There you go. $200,000 to 320 a year. Communism was no longer the enemy. Eventually, the enemy became war against drugs, right? And so now we're more into Reagan era. By 1988, they bring Noriega to Miami. And then he gets arrested, the rest is done, you know, he goes to jail. But during that time of him being on the CIA's payroll, he leaked a lot of information to them.

• 1:42:09Patrick Bet-David?

  So, one, what are your thoughts about Noriega? What do you think about that business model? Do you think it's still currently happening today?

• 1:42:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what I'm asking?

• 1:42:20Speaker 02

  Not really.

• 1:42:21Patrick Bet-David?

  So what I'm asking is guys like Noriega, who are used to give intel on other people that are selling drugs, and a government would allow them, this could be from the Bidens administration, why they wanted to work with some of these guys, this could have been Kamala, this could have been, you know, any of these. As long as you're sending me information about other people for me to catch, and you're willing to rat other people out, I'll let you keep making your billions, kind of like what they did for them to come after you, okay? What are your thoughts about what happened with them? And do you think any of those methods are being used today?

• 1:43:00Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't really know. I cannot tell other than my, my, my government. For me, it was simple. If drugs go through Honduras, we have a lot of death, a lot of corruption. So my policy was to avoid drugs coming to Honduras. That's the reason because

• 1:43:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Through Honduras.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  See, we create a maritime chill, and we work with the South Command. They put some very big ships in the, in the Atlantic. And we, with our small navy, we did our part two. We also create the aerial chill, the tuning down law. And also, we create a land chill. What means that? I worked with the Guatemalan government to put a special, why, uh, national force in that border.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  We did the same with El Salvador and with Nicaragua. So Honduras was protected with those three shields. The thing is with that- Can you go to that map, Rob? The one that he had on his PowerPoint? Please continue. So, if you look at that- Yes. I think- This is in 07. Which years was that? 2007. You know who the president was at that time? The guy who is the husband of the lady president right now, Mel Salai. So it started right there. Before it was, they were moving drugs from Venezuela to Dominican Republic. But then the Dominican Republic create this children down law. I got the idea from there. You got the idea from DR? I got you. Yes.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  And then if you move the other one- And what does that law mean? What does that law mean? If there is a flight, you have to have a legal permit. There have to be a communication between the country that you are coming from to the country that you are supposed to land. So they already have that information that that plane- Got it. The line says- You've approved it. The name of the pilot, whatever. And then if they are, if there is, if they don't have that permit, which is an illegal flight, so all planes come up and they have a protocol of how to communicate by radio, but also by signals.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  And they told them, "You have to land in that airport or ship, whatever. If they don't do it, we are going to shoot you." And now I can say, because they already passed, we weren't in the business of killing pilots. We were in the business of stopping those flights. And we achieved that. As General Kelly told those guys in the State Department, as a deterrent- That law is incredible.

• 1:45:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  And we achieved that. That's the reason because you see at this time, what is this year? No.

• 1:46:00Patrick Bet-David?

  That's by C.

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  This is by C. If you look.

• 1:46:04Patrick Bet-David?

  2010.

• 1:46:05Speaker 02

  That's, that's the trend, that's the synergy that was going on after this Mel Zelaya guy was in power. So, that's the problem that we have. That's the reason because we, we started with that law. If you continue the next one.

• 1:46:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So this goes, this shows though, Rob, that goes from now, from Venezuela to Honduras. Because of Zelaya Castro's close relationship, friendship with the Venezuelan regime.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  Yes. And if you see now Dominican Republic have less.

• 1:46:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Lower, yeah.

• 1:46:36Speaker 02

  Lower. Okay. If you continue.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  Look now, no, that is by C.

• 1:46:42Patrick Bet-David?

  By C. Keep going.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  Keep going.

• 1:46:46Speaker 02

  Now if you see Honduras is almost free.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  Then we weren't even between the fifth countries

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  with more drugs passing through.

• 1:46:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:47:00Speaker 02

  After being the first version.

• 1:47:03Speaker 02

  That's what we did. And they didn't allow me to use that information on trial. And do you know that information, where it's coming from? From Southcom.

• 1:47:13Patrick Bet-David?

  That's coming from Southcom?

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  Southcom. That's the information that they share with us.

• 1:47:17Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's as accurate as it gets?

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  Yes. They have a satellite system and, and, and human sources also.

• 1:47:25Patrick Bet-David?

  This is 2017.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  Yes. But if you continue to do that, it improves even more.

• 1:47:32Speaker 02

  You see how Honduras is free? All the things is moved to the Pacific, to Costa Rica, to Guatemala and to Mexico. And Honduras is in the, in the middle, the green.

• 1:47:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep. Can you put an arrow on it, Rob, so the audience can see where it's at? That, that green right there? Yeah.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  They come to Belize, to Guatemala, whatever, because that's what we did.

• 1:47:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is 2020.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  2020. The last year of my presidency.

• 1:48:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. And has it, did the flow of drug come back up when the liberal individual won? Zomara won? Did it open up again?

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  If you look at the international narcotic strategic report, you are going to find that argument, that the situation complicated when they came to power.

• 1:48:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  Which matched with the statement of Attorney General Bondi.

• 1:48:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so it looks like you're optimistic about the new guy that's in. It looks like you're optimistic if he wins, Zomar Castro. If he wins, what do you think will happen to Zomar Castro?

• 1:48:48Speaker 02

  I mean, there is a lot of wrongdoings that happened. Now, the Attorney General in Honduras is elected for seven years, so which means that the guy who is now in office, who is from the same radical left party of the late president, if he continues there, they are going to be protected. You see that guy that we saw in that video with the Cacheros, the brother-in-law of the president? He even started the indictment, having that piece of evidence there. But a couple of days ago,

• 1:49:30Speaker 02

  the candidate from the radical left liberal party, Riximucada, she said it in public. And now we ask the Attorney General that he has to indict former President Hernandez. In less than 24 hours, the Attorney General was doing what he was asked, a political order.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  So I have to fight that legal challenge too. But that's the thing. So in order to ask, to answer you, all depends how the Attorney General offices are going to develop. And all depends also if the United States is going to request them in extradition or something. Because the Attorney General Bundy already said something about the Honduran government.

• 1:50:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So, final words, you know, the audience watched you and I think they need to know. Normally we'll have people that'll reach out to our dignitaries or leaders of countries who have done what they've done. They'll, initially they'll come up and they'll say, "These topics are off, you know, we can't talk about these topics." I think you need to know this. There is nothing, and I'm saying you as the audience, there's nothing he told me, or his camp told us, that's off base for us to ask, nothing. Or else we wouldn't do the interview. So I applaud you for doing that, because you're coming in here knowing I could ask

• 1:51:09Patrick Bet-David?

  any question, and I brought up your, you know, brother, I brought up all this stuff, I played clips of Merrick Garland, I played everything. The audience now can make a decision for themselves. But to me, watching this, it's very obvious, you hurt a lot of people that were making a lot of money illegally, the narco, who don't like you. And you made some very, very bad enemies with people that make money illegally. And when you make bad enemies with them, and when you have a guy who's killed 56 something people, does less than six years, and he gives away names and they tie you to one of

• 1:51:52Patrick Bet-David?

  them, and he goes free, is on the streets, and he was sent back by ICE April of 2025 under Trump's regime, you know, it says there's some wrongdoing there and some manipulation going on under Biden administration, it's probably not himself, probably Kamala Harris and some of the other people that were doing what they were doing. But is there any final words you want to give to the audience?

• 1:52:15Speaker 02

  Well...

• 1:52:17Speaker 02

  I want to thank all of those Hondurans and other people from, even from the United States, even former presidents in the region, who were not only praying for my release, but some of them write letters to President Trump, saying what they knew about me. But also, I want to thank the people who put together all this information for the White House to review it. And of course, I want to thank President Trump, because he knew me when we worked together, but he now also has some more detail what really happened.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  It is in the documents, it is in the statements, right there. And of course, people like Roger Stone, I didn't even know him. He just empathized because he went through to something like I was. And of course, I want to thank you. My lawyer told me, as you told me, Juan Orlando, if you want the world to know, you have to take this opportunity. I don't know who your team called my lawyer, and he said, "You have to be there, please." Because I don't know much about the United States. Of course, of course. But then, when I do a research,

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  and my little daughter said, "Father, please, you have to go there. We need the people of the United States to know the truth." And now, that's my task. I have to clean my name, the name of my family, the name of my team, of my country. But also, I want to ask anybody, anybody who go and do a research about my case. And I told the judge the day of my sentence, "Please, release all these things for people to know." Because if you do that... Your conscience, the day you die, at least you were going to say,

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  you know, I allow everybody to see what really was there. And in Honduras, we're a small country, everybody knows each other. I'm coming from a rural area and they know me. So my teachers, my family, my, I mean, my, my friends, everybody was like in shock. How could that be? If, if you look at the, at the asset that they, that they seize,

• 1:54:51Speaker 02

  about eighty percent is an inheritance from my father. My father bought those pieces of lands, let's say, seventy years ago, eighty years ago.

• 1:55:05Speaker 02

  I, I am not one who has money, otherwise I could have paid a, a very good lawyers. At the end, I, I ended up with a lawyer appointed by the judge.

• 1:55:15Patrick Bet-David?

  No way.

• 1:55:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:55:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Your lawyer, the one that is sick, was appointed by the judge?

• 1:55:19Speaker 02

  No, no. I, I, that was the one who, who we started to pay, but we couldn't continue with him. But then the, the, the judge appointed another lawyer, Renato Stavil. And he, he was working with us and he said, at one point, I feel ashamed what they have done to you. And I want to say something really important for me. Thanksgiving for you is of such an important day. Last time, uh, Thanksgiving before this, I was called to have a visit, a legal visit. I said, wow, and the, and the officer said, there is no legal visits this day.

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  But he was there and he said, I'm not here to talk about your case and I'm here to be with you. But you shouldn't be here. It's, it's an amazing person. And a very good lawyer, he put together a memo very compelling. And I'm pretty sure that whoever read that memo was clear that, that there was a, a, a very great injustice. But I, but I also think that when you talk about the deep state in America, some people say, hmm, that's a conspiracy theory. I have lived.

• 1:56:46Speaker 02

  Fortunately, you have a very strong institutions. That's the reason, because America is what it is. And they are good people too. And I know that very good people who knew me were working backwards, sending information to my family and saying, "Use this. We couldn't use it on trial, but now we can use it in public." So in a way, I'm trying to prosecute my case in public. And thank you for helping me to do that. Because I don't want anybody to go through what I have been through as well as my family.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  So I want to fight for this law first way of doing things to stop. And the conservative movement in the planet, they have to know that this is real. So we have to work on that.

• 1:57:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, God willing, you will be with your family, with your wife and your daughters here soon. You'll be back with your friends here soon. You will get back that land that your father got 70 years ago back to you that he passed down to his son. And you'll be able to do exactly what you want to do for your family and justice will be served. And again, I respect you for coming out and sitting down and having this conversation. And it was great to learn more about you. This was an incredible, fascinating conversation with you. Thank you so much for coming out. I appreciate you. All the best to you.

• 1:58:18Speaker 02

  Thank you, brother.

• 1:58:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, with the PowerPoint you gave, are you okay if we share that with the audience?

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:58:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so here's what we're gonna do. If you're watching this, Rob, let's put that in the Manect Circle. If anybody wants to go see it, it'll be in the Manect Circle free. Go investigate all of it, because it's 60 something pages. We only showed eight or nine pages of it. You can go see it all. Take care, everybody. God bless. Bye bye, bye bye.

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