SAVE Act FAILS + LA's CROOKED Election?

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana break down the controversy surrounding mail-in voting in the Los Angeles mayoral race, New York’s proposed gender-neutral language changes, Michael Saylor’s Bitcoin strategy, Anthropic’s warning about the future of artificial intelligence, the criminal case involving Henry Nowak’s alleged killer, and FIFA’s new World Cup rules ahead of the 2026 tournament. ------ ✝️ FAITH OVER FEAR COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4udBM6w?r=qr 🦁 THE VAULT 2026: AUG 31ST TO SEPT 1ST: https://bit.ly/4mZdLhD 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠

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• 0:13Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 0:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 0:18Speaker 02

  I send you right there.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was sick on Monday?

• 0:27Adam Sosnick?

  Not me.

• 0:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You were not sick on Monday?

• 0:29Adam Sosnick?

  No, sick in the head, maybe.

• 0:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Different story.

• 0:31Adam Sosnick?

  But today's all love.

• 0:32Patrick Bet-David?

  No, today's love. Guys, you missed it. Brooklyn was here in the house, my four-year-old this year, running around making sure we're squared away. We got a lot of stories to cover with you. And Vinny's got a surprise. Let me take these glasses off. I'm looking 62 years old.

• 0:44Adam Sosnick?

  I like those glasses on you, Pat.

• 0:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyway, I'm sure I'm gonna hear from Meron saying, you know, "Wear better glasses." But lots happening. Lots happening. Folks, what do you think the chances are of, let's just say you live in a city where math maybe is not that popular and they need additional time to count? You know what I'm saying, Tom? Like, some cities, they need a lot of time to count to 20,000, 20,400, whatever it is. And then imagine there's like these two guys that one of them could possibly pass up the other person, but he's got a massive lead and the other one is way behind him. But out of the 20,000-plus votes that they're counting, only seven or so went to this guy named Spencer Pratt in L.A.

• 1:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, of course, it would never happen, but Tom has some ideas of what he thinks is gonna be taking place. There is now a Kalshi, there's a little bit of audio, so somebody's finger's on. There's a little bit of Kalshi that is saying, what did Kalshi say? Rob, I think his chances, Spencer Pratt's chances of advancing, according to Kalshi, dropped to 8%. I don't know if it was Kal, I think it was Kalshi. Dropped to 8% suddenly out of nowhere. Yeah, 6.8%. Look at that. Look at that. Now they're saying Nithya Ramon is gonna pass up and go into it, and the volume on this is $62 million. So what the hell happened the last 24, 48 hours? We will talk about that. The SAVE Act may be one of the biggest things that happened.

• 2:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know the exact numbers, but I thought it was 50 to 48, which is a good thing for the people that want to be able to not have people have an ID to vote. Cause I don't know if you know or not, there's many states that you can vote without an ID. And the SAVE Act, which by the way, Humberto sent a very good chart this morning, that 83, 84% of Americans, Humberto, can you verify that? 83, 84% of Americans want voter ID to vote. So it's only 16, 17% that don't want it. 84% want voter ID, but the SAVE Act will talk about that. Then there's this guy that for 18 years wore a tattoo of a concentration camp, what was it? Concentration camp guards. Concentration camp guards. Sotnikov tattoo. And then they removed it and it's so bad that people are just saying, you know, Chuck Schumer.

• 2:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, there's videos, apparently a story came out with New York Times with three different girls, one of them being a Republican, saying the fact that the guy's a crazy guy, drinking all this other stuff. And there's a video of him performing at a bar, Rob, I don't know if you have that video or not, of him running around, performing at a bar. And Batia, Batia had such a great thing to say about it. Uh, uh, she's phenomenal. I mean, honestly, she's, she's so talented. And then Sunny Houston said something, she says, I'm from Maine, you just sometimes have to close your eyes, close your nose and vote for it. And then Professor Galloway said some stuff, yeah, I mean, he's performing right there. And those are not speedos, but they're probably small Hanes underwear that he's going around doing his thing. So at least he's a performer. Yeah. But I don't know about being a senator.

• 3:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Then Carmelo Anthony, not the basketball player, but the other Carmelo Anthony that, uh, uh, is in court right now, that was protesting outside. This guy Jake Lang was outside, just a lot of ruckus going on. And again, we, our goal is to lower the temperature, not increase it, but some people are doing that. Anthropic comes out and says, we have to be careful with AI, maybe it's a good idea to put a pause on, on, uh, what do you call it? On AI. And they're saying it right after, a few days after they quietly wanted to file for going IPO, Rob, Tom, am I correct on that one? That quietly they want IPO, but then he's coming us in, we got to put a pause on AI, which is kind of weird, we'll talk about that.

• 4:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And then a story that Vinnie brought up, a very, very heartbreaking story of YouTuber, is it Jesse Ridgway? Am I saying that correctly?

• 4:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 4:24Patrick Bet-David?

  And his wife made difficult decision to terminate pregnancy after finding out Down Syndrome's diagnosis, gut punch, and we'll talk about that to see what the position is. Of course, there's different positions people have, but we'll definitely, Vinnie, you got a lot of thoughts on this and it's, and I have a story to tell about this if we get into it. L.A. Mayor Ray Lays, we'll talk New York. You see, every time you think New York is gonna make some kind of an adjustment, they keep going the other way. You know the word "mother and father" New York wants to change to say it's offensive? They don't want you to use the word "mother and father" in New York. Father's Day is coming around the corner, and you have Mother's Day and Father's Day. They want to replace "mother" with "gestating parent"? Am I saying it correctly, Tom? Rob, can you pronounce that?

• 5:09Tom Ellsworth?

  That is correct.

• 5:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Pronounce it, Tom.

• 5:11Tom Ellsworth?

  If you have a uterus, you gestate. If you don't have a uterus, you don't.

• 5:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Not "just ate", like you just ate a meal, like "gestate with a G".

• 5:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Like when they say...

• 5:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, we got some immigrants that watch the podcast.

• 5:23Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, humans' gestation period is nine and a half months. Elephants is a year. That's the amount of time from pregnancy to birth.

• 5:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Elephants is a year.

• 5:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Elephants take forever to have a baby.

• 5:33Patrick Bet-David?

  What does elephants have to do with "mother and father"?

• 5:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, because that's where kids will learn gestation periods. When they go to school, they'll say, "What's your gestation period for an elephant?"

• 5:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But I bet you elephants are still gonna call him "mother and father".

• 5:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Hundred percent. That's right. And you want to get in front of a mother elephant and tell her she's not a mother?

• 5:48Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna talk about that. And then Michael Saylor...

• 5:50Tom Ellsworth?

  I think he just threatened you with an elephant.

• 5:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not messing with Tom whatsoever. And by the way, there is a, there's a guy who is more cool, calm, collected when he's down eight and a half billion. There's not a guy more calm than Michael Saylor. And a lot of people are saying this guy's gonna lose it all. We have a guy here who's a, who's rooting for him to lose everything. I don't want to say his name, I don't want to disclose him, but we got a guy that's looking like the guy from Boogie Nights. Dirk Diggler looking back.

• 6:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Hater of the year.

• 6:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You put Humberto on a podcast twice, he now walks around thinking he's a superstar actor.

• 6:20Tom Ellsworth?

  He was signing autographs.

• 6:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I saw that.

• 6:23Adam Sosnick?

  FedEx guy dude.

• 6:24Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no problem, no problem. I can go again.

• 6:26Patrick Bet-David?

  We haven't talked about World Cup. What happened? Japan goes to Mexico. And they say the conditions are so bad, they're threatening to leave the World Cup, Japan. And by the way, Japan's been improving a lot with some of the stuff they're doing training wise. But we'll talk about the World Cup. There's a lot of stuff there. Henry Nowak, apparently there's a new video that came out, Rob, of the killer. That's apparently he's accustomed to running around with that ceremonial knife. That he has and he pulled it out and apparently they verified that it's him. We'll play that clip. And then I got a letter I want to write, uh, read. To mothers out there, written by a daughter. You know, a lot of times people say, oh, you talk about his father and son and all this stuff. How about some mothers and daughters? To all the mothers and daughters, I'm going to read something to you that's going to get you emotional.

• 7:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I read it. I said, this is awesome. Shared it with my wife. I think every mother needs to. Read this. It was very insightful and inspirational. Anyways. Having said that, we got some massive. Massive news. From our friend here, Vinnie. Massive news that you guys have been waiting for. Go ahead, Vinnie.

• 7:25Speaker 05

  Well, thank you, Pat. Uh, the black, the hat that I'm wearing right now, I'm going to take it off. My hair is going to be messed up. Is the new Faith Over Fear. Black and gold. We have our shield here and I'm talking about gold. Stitching like actually like not real gold, but look at how ridiculous that is.

• 7:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Cross.

• 7:39Speaker 05

  Gold on the back, snapback with the Hebrews. Our crosses on the inside and I'm telling you guys right now, Pat, I wore this hat to uh, breakfast with Umberto and uh, older, late 80 years old. Uh, her name was Amy. She grabs me. She's like, I want that hat. And I felt so bad because I couldn't give it. I couldn't have like, I got a pitch for, for the podcast. And Pat, she went on the story. For 20 minutes, ask him, he's, he's my witness, about her cancer and beating it and having faith in her. She was so calm, Tom, saying that. She's like, even if I didn't, I still have faith that God would take care of me. It was an emotional vibe. I forgot that we're even eating breakfast.

• 8:14Speaker 05

  But this, I'm telling you, besides just a hat, it's, it's, it's a conversation starter. It's letting people know. I can't tell you how many times in that same diner, Pat, I'm sitting there at the counter and there's a congregation, people are telling their stories. So this hat is out. Right now, people have been asking for it and the white. And black just got restocked. We sold out on this hat in nine hours. Pat, so everybody out there, please, I want to say thank you, number one. Number two, go to VTmerch.com. These, I guarantee you, this is going to be sold out in two days. Get on VTmerch.com and get them because people message me on Instagram and they're like, hey, why didn't you?

• 8:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Sick, the hat's sick, the sweater's sick, the hoodie's sick, the shirts.

• 8:52Speaker 05

  Everything, look at that.

• 8:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And go to church on Sunday with it.

• 8:55Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 8:55Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, having said that, let's get right into it. First story I want to get into is the LA mayoral race. Everybody's watching afterwards. Oh, Spencer Pratt's going to win. It's done. You know, it's going to be great. It's going to be fantastic. We got a new guy that's going to be going against Karen Bass and he's got five months of calling out her BS. And then all of a sudden, reports come out hours later, Kalshi, he went from high chances of being one of the two to go on the runoff. No, it's down to 64%, then 38% chance. And this morning on Kalshi, it's now down to 6.8% odds that he's favored to be one of the top two. And Nithya Raman moved up to 29% and Bass is at 64%. Rob, do you want to play one of the clips of what happened with ballots being counted?

• 9:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Rob.

• 9:41Speaker 06

  The fact that we don't know who's, there are tranches of voters, votes arriving tomorrow, we're told. Like, we don't know, I guess, what Orange County's current ballot count is right now. Wouldn't anybody like to know that? I would like to know that. You know, we're seeing the registrar, you know, county clerk video now, but we don't know how many Republicans are there, how many observers are there? Should the Justice Department send observers? I don't know. I don't know how this can work, but something's got to change.

• 10:08Speaker 07

  Well, I do think there needs to be an investigation. We see these many irregularities. The broader context of it, Laura, is it destroys Americans' faith in our elections. In a republic, we rely on that.

• 10:20Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, what is the numbers? How many came in? I saw a report yesterday that I shared with you guys, maybe I shared it with you guys this morning. I'll read it to you and Tom, I'm going to come to you first with this one here because this is a big story, especially for people in LA that were helping out. So I read this story that says Pratt got zero out of the 24,000 votes in LA. Late night LA ballot drops zero out of 24,000. A guy getting around, what?

• 10:45Speaker 05

  Zero for real?

• 10:46Patrick Bet-David?

  This is right here. A guy getting around 30% support got zero out of 24,000. Astronomically, small probability of happening, impossible. California no longer even hides it. Doors need to be kicked in. Now, go to the bottom, Rob, to see if Grok, if somebody verified this. So total was 308,000 votes, 878 Spencer Pratt, 86,323 ballot drops, 333,712 votes. Spencer Pratt stays at 86,323, zero out of 24,834 to be exact. Mathematically impossible, Vinny.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  That's, that's, what astronomical, what are we even talking about?

• 11:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, stay on that tweet. Let me go a little bit underneath that tweet to see what else other people are saying. If you could, so go a little bit lower.

• 11:27Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way, that's a screenshot I have too. That is from, that is from the systems that are available to the public. That is a screenshot of the systems. Take a look on the left.

• 11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Top left, top right.

• 11:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Top left. 39.3 of the voted was in, 308,000. Then go to the top right, 42% of the vote, 333,000. Spencer Pratt's total didn't budge.

• 11:52Patrick Bet-David?

  How is that even possible?

• 11:54Tom Ellsworth?

  It's not possible. That is why it is not statistically possible to happen. Rahmman gets another 10,000 votes, 61.9 to 71.4, a little under 10,000. Out of nowhere? Really? Even Adam Miller goes, gets another 1,300 votes? And he was the nonpartisan?

• 12:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Pratt gets zero.

• 12:14Tom Ellsworth?

  And Pratt gets zero. This is where Americans lose trust in the whole bloody thing. This is where they do. When we, what was very interesting, what was going on in the presidential election 2024? And we covered it.

• 12:27Speaker 05

  Wisconsin.

• 12:28Tom Ellsworth?

  We were working with our partner, Decision Desk HQ, and we had feeds from all 50 of the Secretary of States coming in. And we could see the votes coming in and we could see the way they came in. And it looked, there were some states that looked really funky. Lumps would come in. You get to Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and it's a crapshoot. You just, that was my word for it. You go to LA here, well, we're doing this methodically. And they show you this beautiful warehouse, organized tables, people sitting there apparently doing their jobs. But the question is, where are those white buckets full of those mail-in votes coming from? And when does the music stop? And who doesn't get a chair?

• 13:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what is this, Rob? This is the president yesterday talking about the California elections, gubernatorial and the LA mayor. Go forward.

• 13:17Tom Ellsworth?

  We just don't want cheating in our elections. And you see it happening in California. Those numbers are coming down rapidly. They found a lot of mail-in ballots last night, shockingly. So we don't want that. Then we add-

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• 15:29Patrick Bet-David?

  And best of, this is best of Trump. No men in women's sports. No transgender mutilation surgery for our children. Okay. Uh, okay, so, so, go ahead, Tom.

• 15:42Tom Ellsworth?

  And it goes to voter ID. We have seen everybody in the media, even CNN. Harry Enton has done several segments. We don't need to go to them. But he covered that overwhelming percent of Hispanics, of black voters, of white voters, of rich voters, of poor voters, of Republican voters, of Democrat voters. Voter ID is not a controversial issue in this country. Look at this.

• 16:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Play this rap. Go play it from the beginning, please. The American people are with, with Nicki Minaj. Because what are we talking about here? So take a look here. Favor voter ID to vote. Look, I got all this polling on the screen going back since 2018. You'll notice on all of it, it's all north of 75%, 76%, 76%, 76%, 81%, and then 83% in the last year of Americans agree with Nicki Minaj. They favor photo ID to be able to vote. What about by party? What's the party rate? Yeah, normally you might expect, hey, there'd be a big divide by party with Republicans really for it and Democrats really against it. But not really here. I mean, just take a look here. Favor photo ID to vote.

• 16:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You got 95% of Republicans, pretty much all of them, but even 71% of Democrats favor photo ID to vote. So again, Nicki Minaj posting that on X. And what you see is, is that the American people, actually, it's not really all that controversial. The American people are with Nicki Minaj, whether they are Republican or even if they are Democrats, we're talking about 7 in 10 Democrats agree with Nicki Minaj. Go back off of this. Can you go to states that you don't require an ID to vote? I, I, I want this to be shown over and over and over and over again till people finally realize. In the following states, you do not need an ID to vote. Which ones are the ones for no photo ID required?

• 17:26Adam Sosnick?

  The orange.

• 17:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, the gray.

• 17:29Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, no ID. Okay, gotcha.

• 17:30Tom Ellsworth?

  No ID required.

• 17:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Orange is no photo ID required. So imagine you can go and show a Bali Total Fitness ID. Oh, okay, this is Adam Sosnick. But I used to, Bali's been out of business for 30 years. I get it, but it's an ID. We'll take it. Right? Obviously, I'm being a little bit facetious. But what I'm trying to say to you is

• 17:46Adam Sosnick?

  Not really.

• 17:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Non-photo ID required. Photo ID required is all the blue. See all the blue? All the grays, you don't need anything. So go a little bit lower, Rob, to see if those states we have. How many, how many states don't require at all a photo ID? Matter of fact, go to ChatGPT and just ask the question. How many states in America don't require a photo ID or an ID period? It'll break it down for you. This is why Americans like, listen, I'm so impressed with 71% of Democrats that are saying we need to have a photo ID to vote. Good for those 71%. You know what those 71% are? Those are Kennedy type of voters. Those are all Democrats that are like, look, they're probably pro-life, pro-choice. They're the pro-choice Democrats. They're the climate change Democrats. But they still have the integrity to say, I want people to have an ID to vote.

• 18:31Patrick Bet-David?

  23 states require a photo ID for in-person voting. 12 states accept non-photo ID. 15 jurisdictions, including DC, requires no ID document at all. How the hell do I go to TSA? Go through the airport, I need an ID. How the hell do I need an ID when I'm pulled over? Cops says, can I see your ID? Drivers and registration. But when it comes down to the most important decision, to vote for the most important job in the world, you don't need an ID? You don't, you mean to tell me that doesn't make any sense? Oh, let's vote against it. Rob, what was the results on the voting of voter ID? If we can go straight to the voter ID part? Because the Voter ID Part Save Act, that's on page four. I'll read it and I'll come to you guys with this.

• 19:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, let me see, which story is that? It says page four. Is it addendum four or is it page four? Okay, let me go to addendum four with this on voter ID. Maybe these two are kind of tied to one another. Which one is it? There it is. Senate GOP rebellion continues. Four dissidents, senators, joined Democrats to sink Trump's Save America Act again. Four Republicans join a man. We gotta know who these four Republicans are. Uh, uh, where's that story? I don't have this. That's page four, but page four. I don't have the page four. Four Republicans, Rob.

• 19:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Right here.

• 19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not in the story. I'm on addendum. Let me go over here, maybe page four. Let me read.

• 19:56Tom Ellsworth?

  It was the usual women, you know, Murkowski.

• 19:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my bad. Okay, I have it. The rift within the Republican Party and Senate, four GOP, Democrats, four, seven, okay, got it. Who are the four? The dissident did not budge. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. Is he, didn't he step down? Oh, he's stepping out at the end of the year.

• 20:14Adam Sosnick?

  No, don't worry.

• 20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom Tillis of North Carolina, once again voted against the legislation, which enjoyed the backing of the majority of Republican colleagues. Their vote was enough to derail the maneuver, dealing a fresh blow to President Trump and Congressional Majority Leader, ability to maintain, ability to maintain party discipline within their own ranks. Republican attempt was to attach the Safeguarding American Voter Eligibility Act to nearly 70 billion out of budget reconciliation package intended to fund immigration. We know that one, but specifically the Save America Act. Adam, your thoughts on the story?

• 20:52Adam Sosnick?

  So,

• 20:54Adam Sosnick?

  it's very hard to get consensus.

• 20:55Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, if the 50 went the other way, Rob, they have it, right?

• 20:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Correct.

• 20:59Patrick Bet-David?

  If the four go the other way, they have it, they would have won.

• 21:01Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a breakdown. Forty-eight yay, 50 nay.

• 21:04Adam Sosnick?

  And California is one of the states that does not require voter ID, right? So, I mean, it's so hard to get consensus in this country. When you see people in the Democratic Party, even the Republicans especially, 75, 80, 85, 90% want voter ID. And then you just deny that ability? That's what just doesn't make sense. But back to the Spencer Pratt thing. This is the first I'm hearing that he's not even gonna potentially make the runoff. Because when we were texting, I believe, yesterday, it looked like he was number two, right?

• 21:33Tom Ellsworth?

  He did.

• 21:34Adam Sosnick?

  And then there's how many 25,000 ballots show up? And he gets zero? Something fishy here, but I think there's a bigger story that with Spencer Pratt. I think in a weird way, this like reality star, bad boy, became the embodiment of hope and prayer and common sense in LA. But here's what I've learned. Sometimes.

• 21:59Adam Sosnick?

  Whether you're a person, whether you're a company, whether even a state, you have to hit rock bottom. And we, in the amazing state of Florida, coming from Texas, we thought, alright, maybe California has reached rock bottom at this point. LA especially, they've reached rock bottom. And hopefully, when you're rock bottom, you can continue downward and then go to rehab, or whatever that looks like. Or you can completely change direction and clean up your life. And what has come clear to me is, LA, California, has unfortunately not hit rock bottom. And the reason for that is very simple. Trump is still in the White House. Every single thing that this party does, unfortunately, is just anti-Trump.

• 22:43Adam Sosnick?

  What's the one thing they tried to do to paint Spencer Pratt as the bad guy? They labeled him a MAGA extremist. This is in a situation where it's no party affiliation in these races. So unfortunately, despite the crime, the homelessness, the cost of living, the taxes, the woke trans agenda, they still vote for the communists or the Marxists, and who want to push that agenda?

• 23:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, talk to me about the voter ID stuff.

• 23:11Tom Ellsworth?

  So the SAVE Act.

• 23:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 23:13Tom Ellsworth?

  So John Thune, you know, needs to be a little bit more brave. Here's what he was saying. Listen, the SAVE Act, I can't get it to a vote because of the filibuster. You need 60 votes in the Senate to break a filibuster. What is a filibuster? It's endless debate. You keep debating, keep debating, keep debating. You had the famous fake debate where Cory Booker somehow kept talking for 19 hours.

• 23:41Adam Sosnick?

  Cory Booker talked for like 25 hours or something like that.

• 23:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Without taking the bathroom, fake.

• 23:45Adam Sosnick?

  Going to the bathroom, potentially.

• 23:45Tom Ellsworth?

  So everybody said...

• 23:46Adam Sosnick?

  I only know one other guy that can do something like that.

• 23:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Said, was he wearing a male diaper, is there a bucket under there? Because it was like, he had coffee, he had water, and yet he never went anywhere.

• 23:55Adam Sosnick?

  Delay, delay, delay.

• 23:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Delay. So the filibuster delay, how do you break the delay? The majority leader stands up and says, enough of this. We need for the American people to move to a vote on this bill. Now, the rules say you need 60 votes, not 50, you need 60. In other words, it can't just be one over the limit. So, somebody's got to come with you. Well, if the Democrats don't want you to win the ultimate vote by one vote or two votes, which is what would happen in this case, they just say, "We're going to eliminate." Which is why everyone talks about, "We need to eliminate the filibuster." Because the filibuster is an F-U to the American people who voted for people to get things done and to debate on them and finish the debate and get it done.

• 24:39Tom Ellsworth?

  And so Thune should have stood up and exposed Schumer and gone to the cameras and say, "America, that guy won't stop the debate. I can't get the SAVE Act to the floor that 75% of blacks, 77% of Hispanics, 82% of whites, and this percent of, 71% of Democrats want. I can't get it here because he won't shut up. We debated long enough. The House has voted. Let's get it across." Thune didn't do that. Thune went behind closed doors and said, "Let's let it die because we'll never overcome the filibuster and let's get into other, more important business." What is more important than the SAVE Act during a year that Americans have losing faith

• 25:20Tom Ellsworth?

  in the institution of voting, which is the very citizen act of preserving democracy itself?

• 25:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, not much. And by the way, this is Mitch McConnell, 1987. So, 40 years later, he votes against it. But this is what he said 40 years ago. Go ahead, Rob. Mr. President, it's election day in Kentucky. And I suspect on this election day, as on many election days over the last 100 years or so, in some areas of my state, people are attempting to buy votes, sell votes, intimidate voters, and in general distort the election process.

• 26:00Patrick Bet-David?

  My life, I have taught on a part-time basis, a course called American Political Parties and Elections. We talked about with the students, the election fraud problems in some areas of this country.

• 26:17Patrick Bet-David?

  It is clearly not a problem everywhere. But in certain areas of our country, particularly rural, one-party areas in the South, and in certain big cities in the Midwest. A four-minute clip. And in the North. By the way, just to kind of give you an idea, instead of going through the whole thing, he advocated for voter ID laws during much of his career, and yet he just voted against it. Just so you guys know. That's Mitch McConnell. Listening to Mitch McConnell for more than 30 seconds, you're going to question a lot of things. He's now a Trump enemy, right? And now it's anything against Trump. And not only that, forget about anything against Trump. You know why I even think it is? I don't even think it's just anything against Trump.

• 26:58Patrick Bet-David?

  It was very disturbing watching Jill Biden's interview with everybody and, you know, lying about Joe, I didn't know he was this, I didn't know he was that. And there's even a clip of Jill Biden, I don't know if you guys saw that, it's like, the doctor should have known. Oh, by the way, I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor, did you guys see that clip? Oh, what I meant was... Do you have that one, Rob, where she says, "Doctors should have known." On The View. Yeah, on The View. If you just tap, if you just tap in Jill Biden, View, Doctor. You know, if you just tap in Jill Biden. Anyway, so what I think is going on here is, I think Mitch McConnell has no clue what's going on. Of course. And I don't even think, yeah, this is the one, go ahead, Rob.

• 27:38Adam Sosnick?

  Given so much of himself, and to see you even saying, like, "I thought he was having a medical episode, I was concerned." Was there any part of you that went into protection mode of like, "Joe, you can't keep doing this, like this is, they're taking so much from you."

• 27:50Speaker 05

  But the doctors told me he was fine. I'm not a doctor.

• 27:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm a doctor.

• 27:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Didn't go. So, so, so the point is, does Mitch even know what he's doing? No. Does Mitch even know like where he's at? Like, how old is Mitch right now? Eighty something? And it's not like it's eighty something like a Trump, you know. He has not looked good for a while.

• 28:11Speaker 05

  It's like Dianne Feinstein, when she was, she's literally just a corpse. They wheel her in there and they go, "Dianne, say yes." And she's like, "Yay." It's freaking horrible.

• 28:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But I tell you, Vinny, like this to me, there's a lot of issues that you'll go through and you'll, you'll, you'll talk on. And, and I'm one, I'll talk to anybody and everybody who is respectful and we'll have the conversations together to see what the other side. Like yesterday, we had Mary Hassan. Mary Hassan is a professional debater. He does this for a living. He's been doing this for a while. By the way, as crazy as it sounds, one of my favorite conversations of the year, just to see what the arguments are being made on the other side for us to know how we can learn, especially somebody formal, but you think he's in the ear of a guy like, uh, uh, what do you call it? Uh, Mamdani? You think he knows what's going on?

• 28:53Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 28:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course, sure. So, but, but the point is, but the point is, when you're sitting here, this to me is a top five issue. Long-term for you and your kids. This is a. Save Act you're talking about. Of course it is. Of course it is. And by the way, the Save Act, in my opinion, if it doesn't get passed under Trump, the Save Act's not going to get passed under a Democrat. And then whoever comes next, what is the likelihood that that person's going to be able to pass something like this? I don't think there's any, I'm trying to think what I would put ahead of this. There's probably a few things I would put ahead of this. But this to me is a top five issue. Absolutely a top five issue.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  I would even say top three because we're talking about leadership.

• 29:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You can sell me on going number one, but I think it's that important.

• 29:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, one hundred percent, Pat. And just, and just to really, really, I'm going to go rapid fire, Pat. Like, I'm not, it's so sad and it's scary, but I'm not surprised, especially with California. Gavin Newsom came out and he said about breaking the glass. He goes, "I have a break the glass scenario if anything happens." And he was smiling about it and giggling about it. And by the way, California has zero election integrity, Pat. No voter ID, signatures don't have to match. Ballots are sent everywhere. Even people who moved out of the state are getting ballots. Unsecured. Drop boxes Benny Johnson showed something with Pat it's a porta potty address had ballots showing up that's where the address is weeks and months of come balance third world countries have voting happen and one day they find out who's the leader but this is the Chris Cuomo

• 30:19Speaker 05

  party remember the debate we have with Chris Cuomo he's like no you you shouldn't have voter ID they're not they're not even hiding it and then now you wonder why Pat people sit back and like no wonder why the border was wide open you import all these people you don't have to check where the votes are coming from just send them in there's zero integrity open border you make your state a sanctuary city and then the people that are trying to get rid of the people get rid of the votes ICE you call them Gestapo and you go after them and you dox them you try to get them hurt meanwhile they're sacrificing American children American women people are getting hooked on drugs raped by illegals but they don't give a damn because they're getting their freaking votes Pat and I'm so happy you said top five I put it in top three if we can have legitimately like I voted for this guy then what the hell are we doing what are we doing?

• 31:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob can you can you do me a favor Rob ask the question on a poll is is the voter ID how important is the voter ID act whatever it's called Save Act what does it rank in your issues to be addressed during Trump's administration top five top three or number one or not in the top five let's just see what the audience is I'm actually curious to know how other people view this because the integrity part is look if you lose you you know what's the thing about losing like why are sports so great you know and what what sport get criticized a lot for what happens boxing boxing gets the most critics why because three people are judging especially when it goes to what when it goes to the end

• 31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  well you know decision or you know 88 to 86 unanimous and you're like you know what no but you watch a basketball game you're like you know this is great there's a movie Ted Lasso Greg share an old friend of ours would tell me go watch it and see who it reminds you of I watched one episode I'm like fricking Tom Ellsworth Tom would by the way if we ever become God willing if it happens if we ever become a majority owner of a major league baseball team and I'm telling you this right now if that ever happens Tom's gonna be our GM I'm telling you he will be the Best GM, we work our asses off to be in a position one day to be a majority owner of a Major League Baseball team. I'm announcing it in advance when this happens. I'm gonna announce, I'd like to announce our general manager of our ballpark, you know, our Organization?

• 32:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Organization. Thomas Ellsworth, good friend of mine of 20 plus years, he's gonna be doing this, and why though?

• 32:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Watch what we do for the fans. Watch what we do for the game. Watch what we do for the league.

• 32:38Patrick Bet-David?

  God willing, when it happens. Anyways, you got our big dreams, folks, crazy. People say, "You're out of your freaking mind." You know, and you, by the way, you gotta be able to dream when things aren't even going your way at times. You still gotta be able to think big. But let me go with this. In Ted Lasso, while they're going back and forth, and they're doing their things, and I'm talking about what, Brian, a voter ID. He says, "So, you mean to tell me, so, of course, we're gonna, because he was a football coach, and they hire him, this, this mother, this woman who her husband cheats on her, and she keeps the team in the divorce settlement, and she wants to destroy the team." So she decides to go recruit the worst coach in the world, and she brings a football coach from America who has no clue about soccer.

• 33:20Tom Ellsworth?

  To European soccer.

• 33:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, to European, and he starts doing a press conference, like, "Yeah, so we're gonna, we're gonna play until somebody wins." And the reporter says, "Well, no, in, in soccer, there's ties." "Well, you mean to tell me you guys play till there's a tie? So you guys don't play till somebody wins? No, there's a tie." "Well, then, how do you know who's a better team? You don't, there's a tie." "Well, we're gonna do our best, even if it's a tie, he keeps going, right? And you're just watching this guy." By the way, the whole show started off as a spoof sketch that he created, that they said, "Let's turn this into a movie." And then it becomes a show, it's a phenomenal show. Anyways, long story short, you know what we care about? Here's what we care about. How many times have you lost in your life? A lot. How many times have you lost in your life? Tom, how many times have you lost in your life?

• 34:02Tom Ellsworth?

  A lot. Clock runs out. Points are on the scoreboard.

• 34:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever had public losses, like in sports? Have you ever had public losses with sports, or with business, or winning? You know what it's like when you lose, but when you lose, you know the other guy's better than you, what do you say? You know what? "Gotta improve, can't do nothing about it." All we care about with voter ID, guess what, Democrats? If you win, maybe you have better ideas. Yeah. Maybe Americans want your ideas, maybe they do. And if you don't, you don't, but make it flipping fair, instead of bullshit. 24,000 and this guy was number two. One here, one here, one here. No, this guy gets nothing. Come on now, Americans are sitting around saying, you know, you're out of your mind. By the way, here's where I'm at, Tom. I still believe Pratt's gonna come ahead. I still believe Pratt's gonna come ahead.

• 34:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm still optimistic that Pratt's gonna come ahead because, Tom, you want to give the numbers that you had on how close it's gonna get? Remember how he loses by 200 votes or the numbers that you had, Robbie? I don't know if you have that or not.

• 35:01Adam Sosnick?

  Hang on.

• 35:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom had a prediction of what he thinks is gonna be happening. It's such a close, close call. Tom is speaking, you know, Tom is in the space with all the other folks that look at polls and numbers.

• 35:13Adam Sosnick?

  The general manager types.

• 35:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, the general manager types. And Tom had this chart that he was sharing with us. That he thinks it's gonna come down to Ramon winning. Go to the bottom right there, you have it. Perfect. Watch this, folks. If you can share the screen. So Tom's guesstimating. Look how close it gets. So Nithya Ramon comes up and wins by little over 2,700 votes. Cause they're gonna try to push everything to Pratt. Everything to Pratt. If they pull this off, she wins, not wins, but it goes 24.6 to 24.3. Spencer Pratt's out. Nobody's gonna be exposing Karen Bass's hypocrisy. Ramon and Bass are gonna team up together. Ramon's gonna get a bigger job. Bass keeps her job and it rests its history. That's what's gonna happen. That's what Tom's predicting. This episode is brought to you by Indeed.

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• 37:57Adam Sosnick?

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• 38:06Tom Ellsworth?

  How many discounts will you stack up? Tap the banner or visit usaa.com/autodiscount. Restrictions apply. It's because, I'll let you know how we did this, so people know. Is that okay? Of course. Just 30 seconds. Of course. Let's go really fast. Go forward. My point comes fast. It says, "The Public Sentiment Institute and a guy named Lester that worked with us on the, uh, you know, the election, when we had the big board and we did everything." Remember that, Vinny? We had all the numbers. He modeled it and we were talking and he says, let me model what I think the cheat's going to be based on the drops I'm seeing coming in. So we're modeling what we believe is the cheat. I'm not accusing any individual or any in particular, but this appears to

• 38:46Tom Ellsworth?

  be how the crime is being committed in real time. That's what we think and this is how we think it's going to come out.

• 38:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, remember in 2020 with the Biden jump in Wisconsin, that chart, Rob, could you just show that chart? It literally, Trump got zero, zero overnight and look at this jump.

• 39:03Tom Ellsworth?

  No, go back. It was right there. It was in the background of the guy on the, you had it, Rob. It was in the background of what you showed previously, right there.

• 39:10Speaker 05

  Look at that jump. It's, this is impossible overnight, 6:23 in the morning, that happened.

• 39:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't underestimate the power of the greatest motivational speaker of all time, Joe Biden.

• 39:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Do not underestimate.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  The most popular president ever.

• 39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  The most popular president ever who couldn't move a single merge.

• 39:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I would love to meet one person who ever bought a merge from him. By the way, Bernie Sanders can move merge.

• 39:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 39:33Patrick Bet-David?

  AOC can move merge.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Obama can sell out merge.

• 39:36Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 39:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump, the GOAT of selling merge. Joe Biden, who got the most votes in the history of mankind, couldn't sell one hat.

• 39:43Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 39:44Patrick Bet-David?

  He couldn't sell one hat.

• 39:45Speaker 05

  Never saw one hat.

• 39:46Patrick Bet-David?

  If he tried. Anyways, let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is a story that's kind of weird, but we have to touch on this. We literally have to touch on this. Mothers, if you're watching this, this story is kind of dedicated to you and I would encourage you to get a little bit upset and annoyed and talk about it with your friends. Imagine living in the financial capital of the world called New York City, New York State, ran by a mayor, Mamdani, right? Who socialist communist, he said some stuff that's socialist and communist, Islamist. This is a guy that becomes a mayor. By the way, he wins fairly. Like, it's not like he cheated to win. He ends up winning. He beats all the other guys. New York City votes for him. Hochul becomes the governor and now

• 40:26Patrick Bet-David?

  they're talking about two words that they don't want you to be using. Democrats replace mother with gestating parent in latest woke rewrite of New York law. And when I first read this, it wasn't a story for me because I thought it was fake. Like, there's no way in the world this is real. Okay, Rob, is this the story that you have there?

• 40:47Speaker 05

  Yes, this is Kathy Hochul asking if she's going to sign this into law.

• 40:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it. Not familiar with what was introduced late last night, so I'll take a look at it. have until the end of the year to review them and make a decision so I won't be commenting on pending legislation. Okay, so let me read this here. New bill would replace the word mother and father in New York State's child custody and parental laws. With gender neutral language, mother would be replaced with gestating parent. While father would become non gestating parent or simply parent in family court. As well as in domestic and educational law under legislation passed by state Democrats. Paternity proceedings to determine a child's biological father would become percentage. Cases under the bill, a putative father would be referred to as an alleged parent in official records. What a frickin shit show. The legislation was sponsored by Senator Luis Zapovada.

• 41:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's a great street in LA, but I don't know about this bill. An assemblyman. Amy Pollan will be sent to Governor Kathy Hochul for consideration. It's woke culture. Run amok. It's one upmanship. Says State Council of Chairman Gerard Kesar. He argued the legislation was unnecessary and predicted it could lead to additional efforts to. Replace traditional terminology. In state law. So imagine people who are considering moving to New York seeing this and saying. Do I need this silliness? This is really a weird group of elected officials. It comes out of the left field. Tom, your thoughts on this story?

• 42:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I I'm confused because the way most people. In New York, when I'm visiting there, you know, you go to get a cab or whatever out in front. Vinny, you you used to live in New York. The guy comes up to me and says, what's up, mother effer? So. He has to change it. Now he has to say, what's up, non gestating effort?

• 42:28Speaker 05

  It takes the sting out of it. It takes the sting out of it.

• 42:30Tom Ellsworth?

  It's gonna make New York, it's gonna make communication in New York a zoo, don't you think?

• 42:35Speaker 05

  Hundred percent.

• 42:36Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I think this is ridiculous. So when you when you go, when you go to politically correct. You go straight. To politically confusing and ridiculous. When is politically correct where we try not to offend somebody? The whole point of political correctness is not to offend somebody. The Native Americans were known that way as a group. And there were tribes of Native Americans. So then they go and attack the. Washington Redskins. I could see how people potentially were offended by that. But the Cleveland Indians? Really? You made the Cleveland Indians, which is a generic term, change their name?

• 43:18Tom Ellsworth?

  This is where the snowball goes down on political correctness.

• 43:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, why don't we do this?

• 43:24Tom Ellsworth?

  And we end at the bottom of ridiculous. And I agree with the Republicans about one-upmanship.

• 43:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, maybe let's find out, Rob, if you want to pull up this guy's face so we know. Maybe he's a good guy. Maybe Louis Cipolla does like right there. So Louis Cipolla, the American attorney politician who currently serves as New York State Senator in 32nd Senate District, which includes the Bronx. Okay. Can we go a little bit? Cipolla is a close ally of Bill de Blasio. Remember Bill de Blasio as a mayor. Go a little bit lower on his past victories and stuff that he's done to protect mothers and fathers. So in 2015, his wife requested an order of protection against them after she alleged that an argument between them turned violent. A restraining order was never issued. In 2021, police responded to a 911 call from Cipolla's wife. When the police arrived, both Cipolla and his wife claimed the other had assaulted them. Later, Cipolla turned in and was arrested allegedly assaulting

• 44:13Patrick Bet-David?

  his wife and was charged with assault and third degree criminal obstruction of breathing. This can't be the same guy, Rob.

• 44:20Tom Ellsworth?

  It's the same guy. It's the same guy. And by the way.

• 44:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Prosecutors dropped charges in August that following these incidents.

• 44:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Why did they drop them?

• 44:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrea Stewart Cousins removed Cipolla from his committee chairmanship for Crime Victims Committee and Crime and Correction Committee and elected officials like Nathalia Fernandez and Robert called on him to resign if the alleged were true. He no-showed to court, did not appear in court to represent at least four clients in 2026. So this guy's obviously a phenomenal guy when you're looking at something like that. By the way, are we positive this is him? I don't want to get a call and saying this isn't the same guy.

• 44:54Tom Ellsworth?

  This is from the New York Post. This is who they said was the author behind the.

• 44:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is the guy that wants to change it from mother and father to gestating and non-gestating?

• 45:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, because he's been kicked off his crime committees where he was trying to fix crime. So now he has to find something to do and he goes politically correct and this is what it is.

• 45:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. Wow. Now, is he, is this? Is what's his purpose? Is he trying to improve Americans vocabulary so people know what gestating and non gestating means? What is his purpose? Is he doing this because he literally believes it's offensive to say mother and father? Can I can I read something to mothers real quick? Mothers, let me just read something to you real quick on how amazing and special you are and the impact you have in kids' lives. I watched this and I shared it with my wife and I thought it was a beautiful story of mothers and daughters. When I was seventeen years old, this girl says, "I called my mom at 1:47 a.m. from a party I wasn't supposed to be at, surrounded by people she didn't even know.

• 45:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I said only, "I need you to come and pick me up, Mom." She replied, "I'm on my way." No question, not then, not during the drive, never. I thought she was angry. She wasn't. She arrived in twelve minutes. That meant she had left the house immediately. She got into the car, wearing the same clothes she had been sleeping in, and drove across the city at 2 a.m. to pick me up from a party she didn't even know existed. I got into the car. She looked at me just once. Then she drove on in silence. The drive home was silent, not tense, just silent. I kept waiting for the questions. Where were you? Who were all those people? Why did you lie to me?

• 46:40Patrick Bet-David?

  But they were they never came. She simply turned the radio down low and drove the way she always did. And if I wasn't in trouble, as if it were just an ordinary night. When we got home, she opened the door and said, "Drink some water before you go to bed." Then she went to her room, and that was it. That was the end of it. I stayed awake all night, waited for morning, waiting for the lecture. But morning came, she made eggs for breakfast, and simply asked what I wanted to do that day. Ever since I became a mother myself, I've often thought back to that night. And I think about what my mom understood then that I didn't. She knew only one thing. I had called her, and that was enough. I was somewhere I wasn't supposed to be. But in that moment, I chose her.

• 47:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I called her, my mom. And to her, that meant everything. Nothing else mattered. She would never have punished me for making that call. Now I have a daughter of my own. And there's one thing I tell her more than almost anything else. I will always come and get you. No questions asked, no matter where you are. No matter what you told me before, just call me and I'll come. That's what my mom taught me. She never said it with words. She simply showed up for me at 1:47 a.m. That's how she taught me. Several years later, I called her. I told her I still remember that night. She said she was quiet for a moment and then said, "I was just happy that you called me, sweetheart." That was all.

• 48:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And even today, more than 20 years later, those words still bring tears to my eyes. Call her, she'll come for you. And she'll always be glad that you called her, no matter the hour. We, no matter the hour. You know why I love this story? This is, can you imagine like the word "mother"? The word "mom"? Okay, when I see my kids, "Mommy, mom." The other day, Tikka was asking a question. "What do you think's more appropriate? You think it's 'mother, mommy, or mom'?" I said, "You tell me, which one do you think?" And they're kind of going through it. Says, "I guess if I get older, I don't know if it's mommy. I guess it's mom. I don't want to call 'mother' and then go to 'father, daddy.'" There's something special about calling your mom for help. There's something special for that woman to be there. When you tell me stories about your mother, Vinny.

• 48:52Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, just so everybody knows, Vinny's relationship with his mom. His mom calls him every day. They talk to each other every day. It's all love. It's all how much she believes, how much she encourages, how much she just wants to serve this guy, right? There's something special about mothers out there. And the great state of New York is thinking about us not being able to use the most magical word in the world, which is what? Mother. And the second most magical word in the world, which is what? Father. Can't say it, Vinny. Moving forward, when you call your mom today? Gestating. You call your, you call your, you call your pops, Robbie, you call your pops. Non, how you doing, Mr. Non-Gestating? I'm sorry, what? By the way, I'm gonna call my dad today when I call him.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  Hey.

• 49:38Patrick Bet-David?

  And be like, hey, how are you doing as a non-gestating person? My dad's gonna be like, mu mad, I'm gestating, mu il, mu il la la, huh? What do you think about this story, Vinny? The madness?

• 49:47Speaker 05

  Of course, we're talking about New York. Nothing that comes out of this place surprises me, Pat. And again, they're constantly trying to remove the family, the bond, the oneness. And it's like, with everything that's happening in New York, with the taxes, the garbage in the street, everything, all the people coming out of the sewers, this is what your tax dollars is going to. This is, this is in court, right, Tom? They're, they're, they're fighting this in court, lawyers, your tax dollars, New Yorkers, are going for this. And I absolutely love that story, Pat. And it's my, I call her every single day. If I'm not calling her, she's calling me. You're not, I'll be damned if you're gonna take away that thing from us. And New Yorkers, I mean, how much more do you have to freaking put up with to understand that they don't care?

• 50:31Speaker 05

  These people are just trying to change. The, the number one thing for them, I think, is getting rid of the nuclear family. That's it. That's it. Get rid of it. And this is just one more step, Pat, chopping that down, gestating, whatever. It's like, give me a freaking break.

• 50:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  It's a joke.

• 50:45Adam Sosnick?

  Well, Vinny, I gotta thank Vinny for helping me to remind me to call my mother. The, the, the relationship that Vinny has with his mother is like no other. And it's making me appreciate my mother even more. I don't know if you could show this picture. This is a double date I went on.

• 50:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow.

• 51:00Adam Sosnick?

  About a month ago.

• 51:01Speaker 05

  Great, great dinner.

• 51:02Adam Sosnick?

  Vinny brought his mom.

• 51:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:04Adam Sosnick?

  I brought my mom.

• 51:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:06Adam Sosnick?

  And at the end of the dinner, we switched moms.

• 51:09Speaker 05

  So dumb.

• 51:09Adam Sosnick?

  And I love you, mom.

• 51:10Speaker 05

  So dumb.

• 51:10Adam Sosnick?

  And I love you, sweet Lana. But, look, one of the things they say about the, the Republican Party and MAGA is they say, you know, they, they kinda lost their way. But my response to the Democratic Party is, well, you guys have lost your minds. And in politics, they, you know, especially when Trump won in 2024, we said at the beginning of the election, listen, the least crazy party is going to win. And then what happened? With the help of our friend Charlie Kirk, Trump released that ad. Kamala is for they them and Trump is for you. And what happened? That ad worked. I think they spent millions, millions of dollars on that.

• 51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  What a great ad.

• 51:49Adam Sosnick?

  It was incredible.

• 51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I remember it.

• 51:51Adam Sosnick?

  But here's what's gonna happen. All these terms that are used to feel inclusive. Like, I remember the first time someone goes like, you're a cis male, right? I said, what? Cis male? I said, I don't even know what this means. They go, yeah, what's your pronoun that you like to be described by? What's your identity? I'm like, I have no clue what you're talking about.

• 52:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Cis male means like you have a sister?

• 52:13Adam Sosnick?

  No. No, it means that you're a naturally born male with a.

• 52:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I think if somebody says cis male, like you have a sister.

• 52:18Adam Sosnick?

  That's what I thought.

• 52:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I would be like, you know what? That's cool.

• 52:20Adam Sosnick?

  I said, you just offended me, sir.

• 52:21Patrick Bet-David?

  C I S.

• 52:22Adam Sosnick?

  C I S. I said, you just offended me. But then I started realizing these terms. Do you remember when Josh Hawley, I think, got in an argument? He said, what did you say? Birthing person? What's a birthing person? What's a menstruating person? Who are pregnant people? I mean, do you just mean women? Yeah, no, no, no. There's some, some women don't breastfeed, they chest feed. I'm like, that's a dude? Like, what are we doing right here? Or instead of men or cis men, they say people who have sperm. So all these stupid ass terms, you're like, what is happening here? And the reality is, this is the pinpoint thing that makes people say, maybe there's things I agree with the Democratic Party on. But they've completely gone insane on this.

• 53:06Adam Sosnick?

  And then here's my final point. Just because Trump won in 2024? This is not going away. This is gonna reverberate and be back in 2028. This woke, trans, agenda, birthing person, menstruating person? If they don't get rid of it, this will ruin their party. And you know what? Good.

• 53:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Ruin their party means Democratic Party?

• 53:27Adam Sosnick?

  The Democratic Party.

• 53:28Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, did you see the Harry Enton article, video that came out about the Democratic Party? On how people feel the Democratic Party's approval rating?

• 53:35Adam Sosnick?

  It's lower than ever.

• 53:35Patrick Bet-David?

  It's the lowest ever. I don't know if you have that. Congressional Democrats. Congressional Democrat, to be specific. Thank you, Tom. Congressional Democrats. Uh, Harry Enton came out with this chart and he showed it. I don't know if that's the one or not. Yeah, so watch this. Go ahead, Rob.

• 53:50Speaker 05

  Democrats in fact lose their primary in 2026. Look at this 68% 68%. I look back at every single cycle that I could find. That was not a post census redistricting cycle. And the highest I could find in terms of Democrats losing. Get this was only three. So this would actually be the Democratic angst against the establishment. And an all time high, I think in large part driven by the fact that Joe Biden is so unpopular. And therefore you have just this great distrust of the dem establishment.

• 54:20Patrick Bet-David?

  This is what year? This is what year? This is recent?

• 54:24Adam Sosnick?

  This is the same thing. But I think Pat's referencing something just from three days ago, but this is the same trend line.

• 54:31Patrick Bet-David?

  This is insane.

• 54:32Adam Sosnick?

  I am shocked.

• 54:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 54:33Adam Sosnick?

  That they have not fired Harry anything yet. Well, they have. Cause all he does is go, all right, you're ready for this. Uh, Democrats suck. And then you just see all these people like these anchors are like, oh yeah, thanks. Harry, I mean, you gotta give CNN at least a little bit for having him on the air. Tom Ellsworth, manek me, Harry.

• 54:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go to the next story, which is this guy named Planter, New York time Plattner.

• 54:56Adam Sosnick?

  Graham Plattner.

• 54:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Graham Plattner, who apparently is running for senate. And the more and more he's in there, some stuff is coming out about this guy. That's absolutely weird. One of them is the fact that he had a tattoo. He had a tattoo of a what swastika of a concentration camp.

• 55:11Adam Sosnick?

  It's a Nazi SS units concentration camp guard. It's, it's.

• 55:16Patrick Bet-David?

  And he had it for 18 years.

• 55:17Adam Sosnick?

  Almost two decades he had in the only reason he removed it, Pat, cause he's running for office. That's it. He covered it up. The Totenkopf. Totenkopf. So some, I remember the first time I heard this, they're like, he has a Nazi tattoo. I was like, what do you mean he's a Nazi? Like he has a swastika? And I looked at it, I go, that doesn't look like a swastika. And they go, oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's actually worse than a swastika. That's like the top military SS. Prison guards. Prison guards, the people that were the most responsible for murdering literally millions of people. That's the tattoo he got. And then look, I'll give him a little bit of grace. Maybe you didn't know. Maybe you didn't have an idea. You had it for 18 years, dude. At some point, you didn't realize? Maybe this isn't what American values are?

• 56:02Speaker 05

  I give you credit for giving the grace. Like, I don't know how you could do it, but Adam, the tattoo artist, you, people going, yo, dude, you know what you're about to put on your chest forever.

• 56:13Adam Sosnick?

  Forever.

• 56:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So anyway, so this guy, this guy's running. What is that clip, Rob?

• 56:18Tom Ellsworth?

  So I have a bunch of Democrats. I have Ro Khanna, I have Bernie Sanders, I don't, and I also have John Fetterman, all speaking on it. The first two, defend him, John Fetterman goes after.

• 56:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what's the story? What page is the story about him and the three women? Where is that one? Because there's a story of three women that came out.

• 56:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Addendum three, Maine Senate candidate Graham.

• 56:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let me read this to you, because this is the part you have to know about where this guy's at. So this guy Graham, you know, story comes out, Graham Platner, a Democratic candidate for US Senate, has rejected an explosive new report about his treatment of women insisting the allegation of abusive behavior or politically motivated. Platner, progressive, running for election in Maine, was responding to New York Times article that included an interview with a Republican operative who accused him of womanizing, physical misconduct, and making trouble comments about rape. There are some allegations in that piece that are simply not true. Anything alleging physicality, anything alleging, I knew what my tattoo was. These are the statements of somebody politically motivated. So you put a tattoo on your body that you don't know what it was? That's what he's saying?

• 57:22Tom Ellsworth?

  That's, come on.

• 57:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, if you are a person that puts a tattoo on your body that you don't know what it is, you want the state to trust you to make decisions that you're not going to know what they are? So you can't use that argument. The New York Times said its report was based on interviews with more than two dozen people, including Lindsay Fifield, whom the paper described as a Virginia conservative who has worked for far-right-leaning groups and Republican campaigns. She dated Platner from 2013 to 2015 and found him cavalierly contemptuous of women. In 2016 diary entries, she described him as the most toxic, literally abusive man on earth who destroyed my life. She alleged that Platner frequently grabbed her by the shoulders and once yanked. out of a taxi by her wrist.

• 58:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The article continued during one argument. She recalled he twisted her arm back her behind her back shoved her into a bedroom. Held the door closed from the other side so she couldn't get out. Telling her to remain there until she was calm. Five field further recalled that platner would sharpen an axe while watching TV. And left an AR 15 lying around in a Washington apartment. She has said he described women as hatchet wounds. And repeatedly asserted if anybody ever broke in here, I would rape them. He said this. Five told the paper, he was like, I would. He said this, I would rape them. Uh, this is a platner saying this. To show them that I'm dominant. What a weird guy. And what's this Rokana defending him, Rob? Yes, sir. Go for it. Look at this.

• 58:51Speaker 05

  Taxi tattoo was something that he owned up to. He said it was a mistake. He was, uh, did it when he was signing up to serve this country in the military. Uh, and I guess I have a view with that of redemption. And he has unequivocally owned up to it, said that it was wrong, uh, that he learned from it. And, and the question is, are we going to believe in redemption?

• 59:13Patrick Bet-David?

  To Professor Galloway. Rokana, would he give that same? To Trump? Never would. In a million years, you're right. Watch this with, uh, Professor Galloway. Go ahead.

• 59:23Speaker 05

  Every election is a choice, not a marriage proposal. We're not hiring a priest. We're hiring a senator. Do you want to make sure that women's rights aren't continue to be rolled back? Do you want a more responsible economic policy? Do you want different approaches to labor that raise the wages of nurses and students? Do you want something regarding fiscal sanity? Do you want to stop have a check against the unfettered unprecedented corruption? But we're going to talk about tattoos and sexting.

• 59:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What?

• 59:56Speaker 05

  I mean, the obsession with personal purity has become a luxury belief.

• 1:00:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So you can pause. By the way, a person can have this position. This is a very smart, successful man. I've had him on. We've had great conversations together. Very successful man. However, you can't say this, but at the same time, repeatedly discussing Trump's marriage infidelity allegations, personal conduct, and public behavior in the context of leadership and masculinity on podcasts, saying he's not, he doesn't have what it takes to be a president, questioning his character, temperament, ethics, an example for young men rather than solely on policy. So if you take that position, you have to take that position across the board with everybody. Then there's hypocrisy if you do that. And what's this here, Rob?

• 1:00:39Tom Ellsworth?

  This is Batya Ongar Sagon.

• 1:00:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 1:00:43Speaker 06

  Father's whole family was murdered in the Sobibor concentration camp.

• 1:00:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Just phenomenal.

• 1:00:47Speaker 06

  Graham Platter doesn't just have a Nazi tattoo. For 18 years, he had a tattoo of the concentration camp guards on his chest, and he knew what it was. He knew what it was. And to hear people compare that to anything else in the public sphere in America is insane, and it is insanely offensive. These people who are defending him called me and every other MAGA person a Nazi for 10 years because we voted for someone who we thought would improve the lives of working-class Americans, and now they are lining up and defending a guy who had a Nazi tattoo, which he knew about, for 18 years. It is so insane to act like anything Donald Trump did

• 1:01:31Speaker 06

  was anywhere close to having a taun cup on his chest for 18 years. This guy is a Nazi, and Democrats are lining up behind him because they think he can win.

• 1:01:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, she's got a point there. Vinnie, your thoughts?

• 1:01:46Speaker 05

  Guys, you cannot make this up. I mean, they put the hip Democrats in hypocrisy. This is the same party that for 10 years said that Trump was a woman abusing fascist, Hitler, Nazi, and anybody that got close to him, anybody that donated, like Elon, when Elon, when we were there at the did his uh his uh signal like showing that he loved everybody. Everybody around him is a Nazi. Now you have an actual dude that's a Nazi that's wearing the freaking tattoos whole life and know but everything's okay. And the abusing women. Rob, could you please show me that the the Ro Khanna tweet? What about the women, Ro? What about all the women that you tweeted about that you care about? Don't you believe all women? I uh yeah, look at that. That's him. I believe Dr.

• 1:02:31Speaker 05

  Christine Blasey Ford. I believe Deborah Ramirez. I believe Anita Hill. Brett Kavanaugh should not be in Supreme Court. Where's that same attitude? I love, I love these people that post on Twitter. It all comes back and we have the receipts for all of you. All right, Pat? Also, in regard to Graham, reports showed that his comments blaming rape victims, mocking a wounded Purple Heart veteran as a dumb mother, you know what? What it, what's that word, Tom? Not the mother, the the one that you said. Just stating. Just stating, just stating. He didn't deserve to live, insulting army soldiers as fat, lazy trash and promoting communist ideology and political violence. Okay? Anybody on the right, any Republican, they are done. But because he's a Democrat, suddenly everybody wants to pretend that none of it freaking matters. And Chuck Schumer, Rob, you're about to do it.

• 1:03:16Speaker 05

  Mind you, guys, this is a Jewish senator, all right, congressman, all right? He doesn't care. As long as Democrats keep power, he doesn't care if this guy actually wore the whole freaking Nazi outfit and showed up. Rob, play this clip.

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• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  You have not said if you're still endorsing Graham Plathner. Are you still supporting Graham Plathner? As I said, I endorsed Graham Plathner. We're going to take back, we're going to beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate. Thank you. How disgraceful is that? A Jewish guy saying, listen, yeah, he supports Nazis. Yeah, he had the tattoo, but listen, anything to win. We don't care. That's the Democratic Party in a nutshell. Plain and simple.

• 1:05:24Tom Ellsworth?

  We're going to take back the Senate, his last words. That's the point.

• 1:05:26Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, because sadly enough, the Democratic Party doesn't, they don't have principles at this point. They just care about power and you're willing to look the other way. Here's my question, because I think that all this is a symptom of a way bigger problem. Why is it that every new famous Democratic candidate has an asterisk next to their name?

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  Why?

• 1:05:47Adam Sosnick?

  No, they're just, it's candidate who is a communist, candidate who is an Islamist, candidate who is a trans. This Talarico guy who thinks God is a trans person. Now you have the Marxist left in California and now you have a literal Nazi sympathizer in Maine. And the Democratic Party goes, that's our guy. We love him. But at the same time, aren't you the party that keeps accusing Trump of being a Nazi? Yet you're going to an elect and push for somebody with a Nazi tattoo. And by the way, he's not a fringe character at this point. Do you know where he just was recently? On the cover of Time Magazine.

• 1:06:26Speaker 05

  Who Graham was?

• 1:06:27Adam Sosnick?

  Graham Plathner, you can pull that up.

• 1:06:29Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 1:06:30Adam Sosnick?

  By the way, he's out there parading with Bernie. He's trying to quote unquote, fight the oligarchy. On the cover of Time Magazine, "Partycrasher," here go, "The Rise of Scandal-Plagued Democrat Graham Platner." And the entire party goes, "Yeah, we like this oyster farmer." What is an oyster farmer, by the way?

• 1:06:47Tom Ellsworth?

  I've never been to one.

• 1:06:48Adam Sosnick?

  Please enlighten me on that. So, they're labeling him...

• 1:06:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Oyster farmer. Wasn't that Saving Private Ryan? What was, what was...

• 1:06:54Tom Ellsworth?

  That's shrimp, shrimp boat, a shrimp boat.

• 1:06:57Adam Sosnick?

  That's, that's Bubba Gun.

• 1:06:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Forgive my, forgive my disrespect.

• 1:07:00Adam Sosnick?

  That's lip, that's stampy. But they're basically calling this guy Obama for whites. But here's the problem I have with the Democratic Party. It's becoming very, very clear that the Democratic Party, all they do is, they, they hate the white, straight, male patriarchy. So now you're gonna vote for this guy in Maine, because they probably have four black people in Maine. Here's the most ironic part. Do you know what senator in the Republican Party has voted against Trump the most?

• 1:07:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Lisa Murkowski.

• 1:07:31Adam Sosnick?

  Susan Collins.

• 1:07:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, really?

• 1:07:32Adam Sosnick?

  The person he's running against. So it's not like he's running against some Trump sycophant who all she does is vote for Trump. She basically votes against Trump more than anybody.

• 1:07:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, the narrative.

• 1:07:42Adam Sosnick?

  So you can't even use the whole narrative of like, she's just a Trump sycophant, all she does is vote for Trump. Her whole notion is that she sort of is the most moderate or even liberal conservative, if that makes any sense. But it just affirms one last thing. Democrats are willing to look the entire different wrong way, as long as you say, "Dude, we don't care if you're a Marxist, Islamist, communist, trans, woke agenda. Do you hate Trump or not?" And he goes, "I solemnly swear to hate Trump." Boom, Nazi tattooing you, you're part of the party. That's the problem with the Democratic Party.

• 1:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Wasn't, wasn't Susan Collins one of the ones that...

• 1:08:22Adam Sosnick?

  What, did it J6?

• 1:08:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, J6. No, no, she, not just J6. She's one of the ones, no, no, she's one of the ones that voted against Save America Act. She just voted against it yesterday.

• 1:08:33Adam Sosnick?

  This is what she does.

• 1:08:33Patrick Bet-David?

  This is who she is.

• 1:08:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Same girl. Yes, she, she and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska are buddies, and they are the two problem children when you're trying to get the Republican vote in the Senate.

• 1:08:44Adam Sosnick?

  And you know what? This is what, what's interesting, you're, you're starting to see people on the right. Big, big names, starting to endorse Susan Collins for the first time in 20 years. They say, listen, I mean, big names, you know, the names. They say, I've never endorsed this woman. She's a, she's a rhino, is it, what do they call it, a rhino? Republican, a name only. So, all these people are basically saying, this is the first time that I'm going to endorse Susan Collins? Just because they, they want to anoint this Nazi-loving guy? That's the Democratic Party.

• 1:09:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's talk about a guy that, uh, has got different kinds of problems he's dealing with, but he's staying cool, calm and collected, and that's Michael Saylor, who is $10 billion Bitcoin hole. What does Strategy do now? I don't know if you guys have seen this. Bitcoin is down now 50% of its high that it hit. I don't know what the number is right now. It could be between 59 to $61,000. It's at $60,000 as of right now. If you go max, go to five years, Rob. Look at the peak right there. Go all the way to the peak, 2125, 120 something.

• 1:09:41Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:09:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So, it's down 50% from its peak.

• 1:09:44Adam Sosnick?

  Just last fall.

• 1:09:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right, just last fall. And so, Strategy is facing renewed scrutiny as the company faces an unprecedented $10 billion of unrealized loss on its Bitcoin holding. Marketing commentator Kyle argued on X on June 4th that the company's preferred share dividend obligations could turn Michael Saylor from Bitcoin's biggest buyer into potential for seller. The company's Bitcoin accumulation model worked while the company funded purchases through equity issues, convertible notes and other financing tools that did not require near-term cash payments. The concern now is that Strategy's newer preferred share products, including, uh, uh, NASDAQ's STRC, carry yield obligation. Strategy owns roughly 4% of Bitcoin's total supply, making it balance sheet one of the biggest swing factors in crypto markets.

• 1:10:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Kyle argued that earlier Strategy financing was easier for both to defend because common equity has no guaranteed, uh, guaranteed return. The company could sell the stock, but Bitcoin and rely on BTC's long-term appreciation to support share price. Preferred shares changes the math, he said. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 1:10:48Adam Sosnick?

  So, I take us back into history.

• 1:10:52Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, let's go back to Elon Musk's difficult and painful 2018. Remember when we talked about Elon Musk? Oh, my gosh, the debt's coming due. He has so much debt on the giga factories and he's doing this to build batteries. He's doing all this and he's spending all this thing and he went down. He's trying to build a launch pad at the end of Texas. What's he gonna do? And you remember all this, Adam? You remember this? We talked about this. Yeah. All of a sudden, guess who will show up? Middle East financiers show up. Or he comes up with a bond and shows up. Great entrepreneurs find a way out. Right here, the real question isn't, oh, my gosh, is he gonna sell the Bitcoin? It's gonna crash. Maybe that that happens. What happens if the market crashes tomorrow and Bitcoin bounces back to 115 or 120? Or beyond it?

• 1:11:36Tom Ellsworth?

  What if Bitcoin gets to 140? Because our own Senate can't get out of its own way and we can't get things passed. And we have this debt and we have all the things going on. And they and we have the inflation spike statistics get used and Kevin Warsh is forced to actual raise rates, which I don't think is a good idea. What happens if all this happens? You know what happens? Guess what? The market's gonna crash. It's gonna be gonna be tough. And what if Bitcoin bounces back as the alternative asset at that point? Where's Michael Saylor then? I think people's are talking here are just, you know, they love to point at him. He was the first balance sheet company, right? Where you the Bitcoin on the balance sheet is really the reason to own the stock.

• 1:12:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. You know, I that's how I feel, Pat. I think people are making a lot out of this. The math they're doing is correct. He does have dividends to hit. But I remember 2018, how hard it was for Elon Musk, you know? And how he had to go back and in 2018. But guess what? He found financing partners. He got it done. He then achieved the the launches on SpaceX. He launched more Starlinks. He figured out, great entrepreneurs find a way to get it done. And I think Michael Saylor will find a way to figure out the financing and to figure out what he's gonna do on this. Because guess what? If a stock goes down, if you owned 100 shares of Nvidia, let's say a month ago, and you

• 1:13:05Tom Ellsworth?

  bought them at 230, I think, um, three weeks ago, two weeks ago, it was like 230. Okay. And now today, it's like at 220 and you own 100 shares. I lost a little. On paper, you're down 20 bucks. It's now 211 this morning. It's down 746. I'm buying.

• 1:13:21Adam Sosnick?

  Right, but you see my pic? You're holding the shares that you bought for 230.

• 1:13:26Speaker 05

  Nvidia.

• 1:13:27Adam Sosnick?

  You bought them for 230 and go back one month, just go one month, there should be a 230 in there. There it is. So you bought it at 235 and yet today it's here, but you're holding the share. Until you sell it, there's no loss and there's no gain.

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  Got you.

• 1:13:43Adam Sosnick?

  And so, Michael Saylor's got to find his way out of this. True, but...

• 1:13:47Patrick Bet-David?

  He owns 840,000 Bitcoins in his company and he owns 17,000 to 18,000 personally. So personally, versus the company, you know, if Bitcoin goes to a million dollars, his net worth's around 100 billion dollars, give or take. So this guy's banking on it long-term. And by the way, to be in the business you're in, you have to be cool. What do they say? Cool as a cucumber? You have to be so cool. He's got the right... Imagine somebody that panics, anxiety, all that stuff. If you're going through it right now, sell all of it.

• 1:14:17Adam Sosnick?

  Sell it all!

• 1:14:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to be able to be like him. By the way, some people, this guy's either gonna be one of the richest people in the world, he's gonna lose it all. Okay, and we'll see what side it's gonna go. Adam, thoughts?

• 1:14:26Adam Sosnick?

  Look, I think Michael Saylor's gonna have the last laugh here. To all the people, all the haters out there who are basically saying, you know, he's the poorest guy in the world. Alright, give it a couple of months, let's see who wins here. Because every, you know, it's always the people that don't have Bitcoin, or that don't have money that wanna hate on the people that have money. That's kinda how it works. And there's also people, on the flip side of things, what I call the get rich quick crowd. What people are learning here is that Bitcoin is no longer the get rich quick, right? There's a term in Bitcoin in the crypto world, it's called hodl. Hodl. H-O-D-L. Hold on for dear life. I guess some guy thought it was hold and hodled and that's what I ended up doing with Bitcoin.

• 1:15:07Adam Sosnick?

  And everything that you end up buying at any single point, if I ask you, it's, you know, buy low, sell high, or just hodl. So, I bought Bitcoin, I think at 10,000, then at 20,000. By the way, you know who also did that? Michael Saylor. Michael Saylor bought it, I think, in, um, early 2000s, I'm sorry, early 2020. Bought it at 11,000, then he bought it for 10,000, then he bought it for 19,000, then he bought it for 20, then he bought it for 30. And then a lot of what he bought in the last few years, last year or so, has been in the 70,000 range. Now, when you're buying at 70, which essentially it's a little bit lower now. You think you're gonna, it's gonna go to 140, you think it's gonna go to 200, you think it's gonna go to a million one day. And I'm thankful that every single time that Michael Saylor came on the show, because it's been at least

• 1:15:50Adam Sosnick?

  three or four times, I bought another Bitcoin. By the way, way lower it is now. So I said, thank you, Michael Saylor. Here's my message to the people out there. I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to investing, but I know this. There's short, medium, and long-term investments. There's low risk, medium risk, high risk. Just understand your asset allocation. I always keep what they call dry powder, just cash, straight up. I always keep a significant amount of cash. Then I have my short-term investments for basically five years. And then I have my long-term investments for retirement. And then here's the point. I have my risky investments, my go-go account. And that enabled me to buy Bitcoin, buy risky investments, buy Ethereum. And you know what?

• 1:16:32Adam Sosnick?

  That's the money that a lot of entrepreneurs use to start other businesses. That's the money that Elon Musk used from Tesla to start SpaceX. And that's the money that a lot of entrepreneurs use to start other companies. So to me, all the haters out there that are wishing for this guy's demise, I think he's gonna get the last laugh.

• 1:16:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I think so as well. But, but again, Tom said something. If all of a sudden shit hits the fan and inflation, market goes in a certain way because this war continues and there's cost and all that other stuff. In three months, six months, Bitcoin could go to $130,000. And everyone's gonna say, holy shit, what happened to that guy? That could happen.

• 1:17:10Adam Sosnick?

  I think that's more of a likelihood than it's going down to 20 or 30.

• 1:17:14Patrick Bet-David?

  We don't know. If you look at the cyclical cycle of Bitcoin, go to the five-year cycle of Bitcoin. If you just kind of see what's going on. And then remember, I don't want to speak out of pocket because this is not my world. So I'm not a Bitcoin guy. But the Bitcoin guys, if you study it, watch what happened right there in 2022. Can you go to the 2122, all the way to the back, right there, right there? Peak, peak of 21, Rob. Right, 64,000. Then go to exactly where 23 is. Go exactly, what's that? 16,000. So it went from 63, 64,000 to 16. That's, it dropped 75%. Then it went from 16 to what? Go to the peak, all the way at the top, which is 120 to 125. So it goes 16 to 122. That's what, 8X, 9X? And then it dropped to what? To 60? And to be honest with you, it can go all the way down to 30,000.

• 1:17:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Just so you know, if it does what it did before, it goes to thirty thousand, but then thirty can turn into what, two fifty? Yeah. So this, this is the part that if you're in it long-term, you're in it long-term. If you're not, just step out. If you can't handle the Heat out of the kitchen. stress that comes with it, do not, do not invest in these types of things. Let me get to the next story. Story comes out on Wall Street Journal, uh, just today, if not yesterday, Tom. And Anthropic, Rob, if you want to pull this up. And the story is about them talking about, it may not be a bad idea to put a pause on AI. Wait, what? Yeah. Anthropic urges global pause in AI development, flags self-improvement risk. The one trillion dollar startup warns artificial intelligence models

• 1:18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  are nearing capability improved without human intervention. If you want to go a little bit lower. And there's a part that they say about scientists. Uh, uh, uh, quick summary, Anthropic suggests that top AI considers got an Anthropic recently concluded a fundraising that valued trillion dollars. David Sacks, venture capitalists accuse Anthropic of a regulatory capture agenda to slow competitor AI advances. Rob, can you type in science? And you know what that means, David Sacks? What David is trying to say is, and I'll, I'll get to that. Some scholars at, uh, former chief of

• 1:19:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, can you type in science, uh, uh, keep going with the word to the next section? Keep going to

• 1:19:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to the next one, Rob. Uh, maybe this is the one that, uh, Connor sent it to me. I don't know if you know which one I'm talking about. Connor sent me a text on this. Let me read this. Is that it? AI systems that can advance themselves, known as full recursive self-improvement, could have the potential for a great good for science and healthcare. They also pose great risks for humanity, according to a blog post written by Maria Favaro, lead of Anthropic.

• 1:19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Leader of Anthropic Institute. So, a part of David Sacks, Tom, if you can correct me on this. My interpretation of what David Sacks is saying of Anthropic's position is, oh, now that you're at a trillion, you have a big lead, now you want regulation. Now you want it. Because you got such a big market share, now you want to regulate. So you make it tougher for the smaller. This is the one I'm looking for. Yes, we read the science fiction and watch science fiction here as well. They're talking about it at Anthropic. So it's not lost on us, Clark responded. How do you maintain control over fleets of scientists that are much, much larger and much faster than ones you've had before? How do you compete against them? Okay?

• 1:20:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Sacks is saying if you regulate, the smaller guy can't come in. So the barrier to entry becomes tougher for them. And now that the bigger players, it almost becomes like a nationalized AI leaders, right? It's like, all the business goes to a handful of banks, all the other smaller banks, let's let them go out of business.

• 1:20:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Too big to fail.

• 1:20:54Patrick Bet-David?

  That's kind of what David Sacks is arguing against, if I'm not mistaken, that let's not regulate yet, let's let the smaller guys compete. Tom, what are your thoughts about the story?

• 1:21:03Tom Ellsworth?

  So, I'm in the David Sacks camp because it's called RCI, recursive self-improvement. Recursive, just think of it this way. You ask AI to build you a simple app. And then you say, keep testing and improving it. And the AI is going to say, to what standard? To what number? To what do you want me to do? Do you want me to keep testing and improving this until you have whatever? Now, that's good for drugs, if you're doing, you know, chemical analysis, chemical impact analysis, and you say, test it, then test it, then test it, and then change it. That's recursive self-improvement. So recursive self-improvement was going to get here. You were going to have it building software, testing software, and then improve that based

• 1:21:48Tom Ellsworth?

  on the test, then do it again. Well, the parent model that's being used there, let's say Opus 4.8. Is is fine and it's doing that, but it has the limit of Opus 4.8. And recursive self-improvement is just part of AI. That's what AI is doing when they say you get to that. Well, we're kind of here and I agree with it. Oh, wait a minute, you know, one person ran the four minute mile. So no one else can wear sneakers. So okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. It means you're permanently in a lead. So I know that there's several camps in Silicon Valley. We have to remember this where David Saad comes from is you have a camp that says,

• 1:22:32Tom Ellsworth?

  oh, Dario left in the name of safety, but now he's not really on safety. Remember he left OpenAI with his sister in the name of safety. Oh, now it's not safety anymore. You're king. You've got a 500 billion coming from the Middle East and you've raised all this too. So I think there's some truth to that. But I think what we all have to be aware of is that the pace of change in AI is only accelerating. I'm looking at Opus 4.6 six months ago. Now I use Opus 4.8 for certain things. You can see the improvement. It's happening fast. And so the fact that now it could improve itself or improve models while it's running.

• 1:23:17Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, I, I, I don't think you step in and regulate it at this point. I think you regulate output, right? You didn't like cars with certain mileage. So we regulated pollution out the tailpipe. And you have a catalytic converter, but capitalists could build whatever engines they wanted, as long as you didn't pollute. So I think there's going to be an end result. Do you see what I mean? There's an end result. Let's regulate the end result, but then let everybody compete on what they build.

• 1:23:44Adam Sosnick?

  Look, I think everyone has a very, has a right to be a little.

• 1:23:51Adam Sosnick?

  Confused, unsure, pessimistic, a little scared of whatever AI is and what it can do. Totally understand that because I think all of us are like, what's going on here? You see college graduates, anytime AI is brought up, you've seen this, they just start booing uncontrollably. So I'm not pretending to know what's going on. Here's what I do know. Do we think China is stopping this AI race? Do we think that China is gonna be like, hey, guys, now let's just pause. Let's figure these things out. Wait for America to catch up with us. All I know is that China wants to eat our lunch, eat our lunch and take over the world. So if that means we need to continue doing what we're doing by becoming the best and the greatest at this particular thing, then we need to do that.

• 1:24:36Adam Sosnick?

  Whether that's becoming the best at the military, what's it becoming the best at space exploration, every single component of society, we need to be better than China or they're gonna overtake us and they're gonna overlap us. So to me, if China's not stopping, or if they're not being regulated, then I'm worried about that. Last point I'll say is this, do you see what Bernie's trying to do now? You see what Elizabeth Warren is trying to do now? Bernie, like a typical communist, he's basically saying, you know what I wanna do? You know what I wanna do? I wanna tax them 50%. What, what, what do you mean? Yeah, I just wanna take all their wealth and take all their ideas because they use other people's ideas to improve their products. You mean like everyone in human history is stand on the shoulders of giants and use other people's ideas to improve their product?

• 1:25:21Adam Sosnick?

  So my default answer, do the opposite of whatever the Bernies of the world are recommending.

• 1:25:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, you wanna pull up that AI story with Sanders, the 50%? Is this it? Let's transition into that. Go ahead, Rob. By the way, it's minute 57. Let's get right into it. Yeah. Go for it. The foundation of AI is based on our collective human intelligence.

• 1:25:45Speaker 05

  Books, songs, artwork, journalism, computer code, scientific research, videos, conversations, images, and ideas spanning generations. The reality is that big tech oligarchs have fed this knowledge into their AI models without permission.

• 1:26:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So he wants 50%.

• 1:26:09Adam Sosnick?

  Without permission?

• 1:26:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Without permission, without acknowledgement, and without compensation. It's insane. Okay. Go to what does Elizabeth Warren say? Because they're both talking about this. This is an issue they're both talking about. Is she getting right into it as well? Go for it.

• 1:26:22Speaker 06

  We're going to build an AI future that works for everyone. Then we need to tax AI and invest in people. Taxing AI raises the money we need to deliver universal healthcare. So if millions of workers get fired because of AI, those workers don't go bankrupt just from a visit to the doctor.

• 1:26:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there, Rob. And by the way, so that's the fear. And remember, don't forget, like, we're sitting here bashing, let's just say, Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. You know who said very soon there's going to be UBI? Guess who said very soon there's going to be UBI?

• 1:26:59Adam Sosnick?

  Elon Musk.

• 1:27:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon Musk said there's going to be UBI.

• 1:27:01Adam Sosnick?

  Not even UBI, universal high income.

• 1:27:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:04Adam Sosnick?

  UHI.

• 1:27:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right, but meaning, so if it's going to be UHI, where's that money going to come from? So you have to know, like, as much as we take shots here, this is Elon, go for it. So I think the most likely outcome is one of abundance, where goods and services are available to anyone.

• 1:27:32Patrick Bet-David?

  There is no shortage of goods and services for anyone on Earth. I think that is the most likely outcome.

• 1:27:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So it wouldn't be universal basic income. It would be universal high income. Work will be optional. Work optional, yes. Will you work?

• 1:27:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll try to work, yeah.

• 1:27:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, this may sound What does he mean, "I'll try to work"? Great, but I think

• 1:27:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I will try to be competitive, but I think that's going to be so much better than me, even Elon Musk. I'll try to work, so.

• 1:28:05Adam Sosnick?

  Great point.

• 1:28:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Let it keep going, let it keep going, Rob. That's the point of doing things. So that's

• 1:28:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I think there will be a bit of a sort of existential crisis. So pause it right there. By the way, this is a reasonable guy that's saying this. Oh, yeah. So if you look at Elon and Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, Tom, and you're looking at the positions they're taking, you know what makes you think about is either it would be the job of the companies to take care of local people, or it would be job of the nation, which means what? The government. So for instance, for me, I think university system is going to be broken. We talked about this a couple of days ago, a couple of weeks ago, when, you know, a story came out that MBAs are on a fire sale. I think it was a Wall Street Journal story. We talked about that two weeks or something like that on what's going on with it.

• 1:28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And I said, companies are going to start offering university courses themselves that they're going to give that education to you because they don't want to wait. They want to be like, no, I'll bring them in, I'll teach them, right? I think some of these companies locally, say if you're headquartered and you have 20,000 employees hypothetically, and the local unemployment goes to 14%, what is your number one priority as an employer? It's to make sure when employees go home, how do they feel? I remember having an office in Granada Hills, right off the 4 or 5 freeway in Devonshire at that Sunshine Realty building. And Vero, my assistant at the time, would try to go in her car, and one day she comes back up, she says, there's guys downstairs selling coke and drugs with guns. And I said, what are you talking about? It was 10:30 at night. I walked her downstairs, and those guys are down, okay, what are you guys doing? Hey, blah, blah, blah. It got a little bit crazy, and then eventually we had to figure out what to do with that.

• 1:29:39Patrick Bet-David?

  My job is to make sure Vero was safe. Yes. The employee, like, we just built a 10-foot wall. You know how much that cost us? How long did it take? You guys have been watching. Rob, how long did it take? Months. By the way, do you know how much that cost to build that wall? I don't know what's going to cost this much money to build a 10-foot wall at an 11-acre property so we're feeling safer. How much safer you feel when you're on the campus right now? Oh, my God. How do you feel right now when you're on the campus? Rob, how do you feel when you're over here? 100%. Yeah. So the employer's job is to make sure your employees feel safe. Okay? So if all of a sudden locally unemployment goes to 14% and you have 20,000 jobs, guess what the employer may be saying? Hey, we made $88 billion of profits last year? What? Can we do to locally help out our community?

• 1:30:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so that, but then go to some cities that that company with 20,000 jobs, with 88 billion dollars of profits doesn't exist. Then what do you do? Then you have to go to municipalities. Then you have to go to the state, the federal. That, that's what the argument's gonna be made. So, I, I, I think my concern is the moment a 27-year-old young man

• 1:30:45Patrick Bet-David?

  doesn't have the ability to marry a woman, have kids, buy a house, and have three-plus kids, we have a problem. The moment that can't happen. So, no matter what we do, we have to always solve. I remember when we were selling the insurance company and I warned my guys regularly. Warned my guys regularly. And here's what it was. Every day, I get up and I think about how we can make the insurance company, PHP, better for a new agent. Let me say that one more time, new agent. Not the oldest agent. Because if the opportunity is no longer good for the new agent and you just keep getting ways of making the comp better for the old people that have been around a long time, what do you not attract? You don't attract new agents.

• 1:31:28Tom Ellsworth?

  You're dead.

• 1:31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You're dead. So, if we can't get 27, 28-year-old men that are making enough money, have pride, to have kids, and to buy a house, two and a half, three-plus kids, we, we're in, we're in deep doo-doo. So, we, we got, we gotta be thinking about how to solve for that. And so, as much as I want innovation, I, I think Elon, believe it or not, is being sensible with his argument. It's just who's gonna fix that problem? The government? The individual? Or large corporations? I don't know, but guess what? You best be solving for that problem now, cuz it's coming.

• 1:32:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You best be thinking about that now. Tom, do you agree or disagree?

• 1:32:07Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree with you.

• 1:32:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What blind spots do I have?

• 1:32:08Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't think, I don't think you have any blind spots. I don't bet on the government. I do not bet on the government. I'm saying, but that is an option. You're correct. I believe it is one of the options. And the old versus new. You know, how many companies, if you're listening, have you, do you work for a company that talks to salespeople that says, "Hey, we need to focus on bringing in new customers. Call your current customers, ask for referrals." Bring in the new. This is, I don't see any blind spot in the argument. And by the way, there are people at the old company that just don't know how found out they really are. The new company that bought us has found them out. We know what they're all about and they are an endangered species. And you're gonna look forward for solutions?

• 1:32:51Tom Ellsworth?

  You're not looking to the endangered species who are acting like dinosaurs, who are gonna get buried under dirt and someday become oil. And I hate to say it that way and be that blunt, because if you don't care about the newest customer and about the newest person you're bringing up, you're just not gonna win. But I agree with the case is who's gonna look out for who? And the answer is if the companies are looking out for the municipalities and looking out for the citizens, to be a good citizen in that city, fantastic. The government is one of the entities, but I ain't waiting for them.

• 1:33:24Adam Sosnick?

  I have a, I can go one of two ways with this. I mean, anytime there's been innovation, whether it's been the industrial revolution, whether it's the automobile, whether it was the printing press, everyone was like, alright, it's done. Unemployment's gonna take over and society's ruined and looking now, all it has done is made us more efficient and honestly, a better place to live. Who would have known when we were in the, in the 90s or the early 2000s that we'd have this in our, in our hands? And it could do everything that we ever needed right here. And that's, has that, has that ruined our lives? It's made our lives infinitely better. So on the flip side, I do understand the risk and the concern of what could potentially happen with high unemployment.

• 1:34:04Adam Sosnick?

  Because you know, there's terms like, you know, inflation or stagflation or deflation or hyperinflation, all these things that have to do with like low growth and high unemployment. What I think may happen is that it's gonna make society, AI is gonna make society so efficient and make people so good that we're gonna have a high economic growth, but also high unemployment. I don't know if we've ever seen a situation like that in society, where society is running so efficiently. GDP, GDP per capita, people are making money, there's, there's a dynamic growth in the economy. Boom and boom and boom and, but also a significant portion of the economy of the workforce doesn't have to work. I don't know if we've ever seen anything like that.

• 1:34:46Adam Sosnick?

  That may happen, but you know what end up, what may end up, might end up happening and making what you want to come true, Pat? I think there's a lot of women who are in the workplace. That don't really want or need to be in the workplace. But they kind of have to in order to survive, and I get that ladies. I think the upside to this is gonna say ladies, if you want, only if you want, you can quote unquote, go back to the kitchen. And I think a lot of women are gonna be like, hold on. So all I gotta do is wake up every day, make sure that my husband is ready to go off to work, spend the day with my kids or ship them off to school. Yeah, and then I get to be a good wife. I think that's gonna happen because you remember, they said what jobs are gonna be lost?

• 1:35:30Adam Sosnick?

  A lot of the jobs that are gonna be lost are a lot of the jobs that women do in the workforce. And that's gonna force them to go back to the home. So ladies, enjoy your new feminism role being brothers.

• 1:35:41Speaker 05

  Well, Pat, he brought up China and the first thing I sent Rob this clip, I think I sent it to you guys too in the chat. You brought up China and the AI and the robots. Did you see what the robot did, Pat, in China? There's some event happening. And this Chinese robot who's wearing a clown outfit, is he, Pat? I guess he's, look at that little kid with the pink shirt. He does, he's doing karate, then look, kicks the kid in the stomach. And Pat, look, Pat, look at, nobody cares, no parent. They're just pushing him to the side, look at the robot. The robot's like, let me get the hell out of here.

• 1:36:05Adam Sosnick?

  You get what you deserve.

• 1:36:06Speaker 05

  That is, so guess what, AI robots, that's what I'm worried about.

• 1:36:10Adam Sosnick?

  Bro, that kid got just karate chopped.

• 1:36:13Speaker 05

  Titanium, titanium.

• 1:36:15Adam Sosnick?

  You're funny, Rob.

• 1:36:17Speaker 05

  And nobody's helping the kid, Pat, that's still recording.

• 1:36:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, did anything happen to the kid or he's okay?

• 1:36:22Speaker 05

  No, they kicked the kid in the stomach, Pat, but that's the, this is the future.

• 1:36:25Patrick Bet-David?

  That robot get arrested.

• 1:36:27Speaker 05

  No, no, Pat, they just, they just, they update him and that's it. They just do a little quick update.

• 1:36:32Adam Sosnick?

  There's people with fear of clowns. This guy's not gonna be fearing robot clowns the rest of his life.

• 1:36:36Speaker 05

  Because the jobs and taking over jobs, it's going to be AI. It's gonna be robots doing all the jobs that people don't want to do.

• 1:36:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we'll see. Let me tell you another heartfelt story here. Vinny, I'm gonna come to you first. So we have a story that came out. Youtuber Jesse Ridgway and wife made difficult decision to terminate pregnancy after Down syndrome diagnosis came out and it was a gut punch, okay, when this story came out. So gut punch for them. So here's the story, okay? This was the baby of the youtuber that apparently came out and they found out, and Rob, uh, Vinny, were they, were they at first celebrating? Jesse Ridgway and wife actually ended their pregnancy, explaining why in a serious post on Youtuber X. Is this the video of them? This is them celebrating.

• 1:37:16Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:37:16Patrick Bet-David?

  They found out that they were pregnant. So this is them finally got their pregnant. Not that they know the kid's down, okay, go for it, go ahead. Okay, read that. There's a faint line right there. Where's the instruction?

• 1:37:26Speaker 06

  Why is this complex? Where's the like pregnant, not pregnant one? So positive, two strong lines or a strong line and a faint line, negative positive.

• 1:37:38Speaker 06

  Right?

• 1:37:47Speaker 07

  Dang it is. What have you done?

• 1:37:50Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 1:37:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So what, this is just their pregnant.

• 1:37:53Speaker 05

  This is them, no, this is them finding out, yeah, they're finding out that she's pregnant.

• 1:37:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So what happens next?

• 1:37:58Speaker 05

  And then, so there's, there's a video Robbie, uh, this is them, Pat. I don't know what app he's using, I'm sorry, what results he's getting, like how the doctors are sending it, but this is them finding out that the kid has Down syndrome. Not that it's like dying and it's something bad, it just has Down syndrome.

• 1:38:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 1:38:15Speaker 06

  So we're gonna see the result, I have to download the official report. Abnormal insight result.

• 1:38:22Speaker 06

  Consistent with trisomy 21, no. What is it? Wait, why are you saying that?

• 1:38:29Speaker 06

  No. Let me see, I can't, I can't see it.

• 1:38:35Speaker 06

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• 1:41:10Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:41:11Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, that's super tough.

• 1:41:12Speaker 05

  That's very, very tough, Pat. And by the way, then there was a-

• 1:41:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And then they announced right there on the video?

• 1:41:16Speaker 05

  Well, they're, they're, because there was an ultrasound video, Pat. When, when, once she started getting to the point, you know, you could see the baby in the womb.

• 1:41:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:41:22Speaker 05

  Which is, you know, uh, which they were, you know, that, that was the baby in there, you know? Healthy, other than just having Down's Syndrome. And like, Pat, here, here, here's my opinion. I know you guys are gonna have yours. It's- They admitted making the decision that it was gonna be an inconvenience, or they didn't want to deal with the responsibility that comes with raising a child with Down Syndrome. And look, I criticize all these IRL, clavicular, all these people because it's not my kind of content, but this is something different. To record yourself getting the diagnosis, talking about it publicly, then deciding to end, to kill that baby's life, to me, it's horrific to me. To me, this is my opinion, Vincent O'Shaughnessy's opinion.

• 1:42:05Speaker 05

  It's selfish, it's horrific. 67% to 85% of pregnancies in the United States with a Down Syndrome diagnosis are aborted. That's not... Listen to me. God does not make mistakes. Every single life has value, every single one, okay? The Bible in Psalm 139, Tommy, and you talked about this before, "For you created my inmost being, you knit me together in my mother's womb." That means God formed this child, okay, and loved that child before it was even born. A baby with Down Syndrome is not a mistake, okay? That child is still fearfully and wonderfully made in the eyes of God, okay? Maybe, let's just say, maybe, because nobody knows the plan, Pat,

• 1:42:45Speaker 05

  maybe that child would have been the greatest blessing that these two streamers could have ever received. Maybe God was gonna work through them to soften their hearts, strengthen their freaking marriage, inspire other families, Pat, that are dealing with this same thing. Instead, this child is never gonna get a chance to breathe. I don't know if they already had the abortion, Rob, but that child, they chose the fate of that child, okay? And I know people with Down Syndrome, Pat. You know my best friend, Artie. He's Armenian. He has Down Syndrome. He is one of the happiest, loving, never upset, affectionate, pure-hearted people I've ever seen in my life. And by the way, this goes to every single kid with Down Syndrome that I've seen, Pat. They're freaking happy. Here's a quick video, guys, of me with my friend Artie.

• 1:43:31Speaker 05

  I'm basically introducing him for the first time to his Michael Jackson in the Armenian community. His name is Harut Babu-Jan. Look at the happiness in this kid. Go ahead, Rob. Who's your best friend in the whole world? Who's your best friend? Look at him. Who's your favorite singer of all? Harut Babu-Jan. Harut, right? Alright, open that door. Let's go inside. This isn't Glendale, Pat. You know where this is. Look at this, Harut.

• 1:43:56Speaker 05

  Look at that. Look at this dude, bro. Yeah. Harut's a G.

• 1:44:02Speaker 05

  Look at this guy, bro.

• 1:44:05Speaker 05

  Harut, you know who that is? Look at how, look at, watch this.

• 1:44:10Speaker 05

  Look at Harut, Pat. Look at this. Look at how happy he is, bro.

• 1:44:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What a gentle guy Harut is.

• 1:44:15Speaker 05

  Oh my god. Didn't know me, didn't know, I just told him the situation through one of my friends. And guys, yes, uh, this comes with challenges. Having a child with Down's Syndrome has challenges. Nobody's denying that, but guess what? He's still a human being, created in God's image, okay? His life has just as much value as anybody else. And guess what? So if you truly can't handle it, have the baby, give it up for adoption. There's families out there that are praying every day for freaking children, okay? Families that would love to have a baby, uh, with everything that they had. So the whole story, Pat, really, really, I was in tears yesterday. I'm happy I got it all out. It broke my heart because this baby is still a blessing, even if the world saw it as a burden.

• 1:44:58Speaker 05

  And it really, really bothered me and, you know, prayers for the, again, I don't know if they aborted it or not, but to give it, to just decide to kill it like that, Pat, really, really, it hurt me. It hurt me really, really bad.

• 1:45:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, is this them posting the, uh, the results of what they're getting from people? Yeah, this is the backlash that they received in their. So it says, "I've never seen such hate and vitriol from, uh, for two people grieving the loss of their unborn child and making an impossible decision the last 24 hours has exposed a side of humanity that is deeply disturbing, being called murderous, piece of evil compared to Hitler and receiving non-stop death threats, uh, seeing my six-year-old dog and stage four kidney disease be used as a weapon, manipulating my words and intent in a tweet or saying will regrets this issue in forever and must repent to God is an absolute insanity. If you ever wanted to marvel at the, the, uh, what is that word? The privy, the privy of people online, just check the replies on my latest tweet. It's a shitshow of epic proportions. Keep going." Okay.

• 1:45:54Speaker 05

  And I'm not a fan.

• 1:45:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not, I'm not a fan of this.

• 1:45:55Speaker 05

  Not at all.

• 1:45:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't like this at all. I don't like this at all, you know? So I'll give you my, uh, side of this. A few years ago, Jennifer and I announced during Thanksgiving that Jennifer's pregnant. I think you were there. I don't know if you were there, but I do know you were there.

• 1:46:12Speaker 05

  I was there, yeah.

• 1:46:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And I announced that, uh, we're pregnant. And then I announced that we're expecting twins.

• 1:46:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And so you have no idea how special of a day it was because I wanted five kids. So this was God's way of saying you're gonna get your five kids. And while we were at the hospital, they announced as twins, Jennifer's crying, I'm laughing, just visualize. I'm laughing so loud and she's crying. Cause she's like, what the hell are we gonna be doing? Yes. Anyways, we go in, we choose the kids for the boy. But we don't have the name, you know, we have the name for both, Brooklyn and, and, um, and Lincoln was his name. So we go in, you know, six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks, nine weeks. I think it was 10th week or 11, I don't know what the week was, but it was 10 or 11 weeks or nine weeks. You go in and they say, one of them didn't make it. Now, keep in mind, we don't know which one didn't make it.

• 1:47:03Patrick Bet-David?

  It was very hard when we went through this. We didn't know which one didn't make it. But I'm gonna tell you, we've been married now to be 17 years this month, June 26th. Our 17 year anniversary is coming up. Do you know for that month of the doctor preparing us? That it could be a Down syndrome kid and be prepared for it? Do you know how it was sleeping every night, her and I, like it was challenging? We're watching videos, we're going through the whole process, steps of how the kids are gonna react, what's gonna happen to you? All of this. So by the way, I sympathize for the, for these guys. This is a young couple. I don't know how old they are. They look like they're in their mid twenties. I don't know how old they are. Maybe they're in their mid twenties, maybe early thirties. They don't look like they're old.

• 1:47:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And so while you're going through it, Vinny, and, and maybe you don't have faith, you know, you're not somebody that has that in your life, 33 years old, is that what it is? Yes, 33 years old that they're going through. I don't know their stories at all. So I don't wanna judge these guys. It is a very, very difficult thing to go through. And they made this choice. It's interesting you said that because we have another friend of ours that they had their fourth kid. And they called me and they, we had a call together. And they said the fourth kid is a, you know, Down syndrome, it's definite. And I'm listening to these guys that they're going through it. And the father, his sister was Down syndrome growing up, okay?

• 1:48:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And I said, look, I don't know what God is planning on doing, but maybe. The siblings are gonna be such good caretakers that that's gonna cause them to become the types of leaders. We don't even know what they're gonna do. It's gonna take us 40 years to know why God did this.

• 1:48:43Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Could take us 50. Could happen and you're not even here to witness the blessing that he gave. But this is a very, very difficult thing that this couple's going through. Of course, I don't, you know, whether I agree with the decision or not, it's a different thing. I still pray for this family as they're going through this and I hope they have enough love around them to encourage them while they're going through this. It's very hard to get pregnant and then, you know, 70% of first pregnancies lead to miscarriages. And then to have this, I'm sure nobody's in more pain. The baby's no longer here with us. That's of course, number one, but then I'm sure they're also going through challenging times. Adam?

• 1:49:24Adam Sosnick?

  Look, this story hits close to home in many different ways. My father was born with cerebral palsy. So every year, he would make us go to the Special Olympics. And I remember being like, "I don't wanna go to the Special Olympics, Dad. Like, why do I gotta be around these people?" And he's like, "Son, you're coming." And let me tell you something. You know, when you volunteer for the Special Olympics, you know what you're called? You're called a hugger. Your job is to hug them and give them a hug and say, "Congratulations, you won. You got second place." This is me giving out medals at the Special Olympics too. Now, my buddies run the Special Olympics. You don't have to use the volume. But, look, being around these kids who have all different types of challenges, whether

• 1:50:08Adam Sosnick?

  it's Down Syndrome, whether it's muscular dystrophy, whether it's all the different issues out there, the smiles on these kids' faces when they get a medal. Rob, if you could play that first video, it's hilarious. The smile on these kids' faces and these young people's faces. It makes their day and it teaches you empathy and it teaches you compassion. This guy's hilarious and it gives you character and you realize, oh my God, life is precious and life is beautiful and you don't know what you're gonna get. Believe me, um, there's more I can say about that later, but the Special Olympics teaches you to have compassion and have heart and for this, this, this young couple, I'm so

• 1:50:51Adam Sosnick?

  sorry that you're dealing with this. I hope you make a decision to not have an abortion. I don't know if they did that yet.

• 1:50:57Speaker 05

  They did.

• 1:50:58Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, that pains me to see, but, uh, the, the, the twist on this, Vinny, you're a comedian. You know, I did comedy for a while. Nothing is as funny as having a good time with these guys.

• 1:51:11Speaker 05

  They're the best.

• 1:51:12Adam Sosnick?

  And you just, it puts a smile on your face and I wish more people understood the pain that comes with stuff like this, but also the joy.

• 1:51:21Speaker 05

  Tom.

• 1:51:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, I'll tell you, I see this on, on, on three, three angles. And first of all, to those of you that spewed vitriol at these folks, shame on you. That is not the way to respond. Uh, the, the way to respond is with, with love and compassion and reminding them that God is in charge and this would not be God's decision and reminding them that the God that loves them and loves his child, that's where it is. But to spew the profanity and the vitriol, that's just so out of bounds. You're not gonna accomplish anything. What are you accomplishing? You're accomplishing nothing for the God you claim to, to represent when you do it like that. And I'll tell you, we saw some of this. Um, the obstetrician,

• 1:52:04Tom Ellsworth?

  when, uh, Kim was pregnant with, um, Brooke, did a great job of scaring the hell out of us because, you know, Kim was 40, you know, so they did a, a, just an incredible job of just scaring the bejesus out of us. Oh, we need to do this. We need to do this. We do this. Until we found one doctor that said, none of these tests are a hundred percent accurate. These are also all possibilities. And that's why you see that guy reading and he said, this is consistent with Down syndrome. Well, maybe it's 95%, maybe it's 92%, maybe it's 85%. Who knows? But that just means that there's a two, three, five, 15% chances as a normal, regular kid with normal capabilities. So you might be taking out a child with normal

• 1:52:48Tom Ellsworth?

  capabilities because the test is consistent, not a hundred percent. And then the other side of it, what you just said is so beautiful, Adam. And what you showed in the video, your friend is so beautiful. The disabled children of life teach the rest of us kindness. And they teach the rest of us to get off the vitriol. When you don't know the learning that you go through as a parent. We went through it. Brooke, when she started to speak, she had a kind of a lisp. And Pat used to joke with her, are you from Boston? Are you from Boston? And she had a little bit of a lisp. She had a tough time with it because her tongue and her palate, they weren't working the way they should.

• 1:53:31Patrick Bet-David?

  She's a boss, by the way.

• 1:53:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And then, and then the doctor.

• 1:53:34Patrick Bet-David?

  She's a boss.

• 1:53:34Tom Ellsworth?

  And then the doctor says, hey, we're looking at the scan of your two-year-old here. I think you need to consider cranial orthosis. We're like, what? I think the skull was malformed and not working right. We may have to do a surgery to reform. And then you see the kids that wear these little padded helmets for about six months to shape it. And I said, okay, that's fine, but what's happening inside that caused that? Well, it could be this, could be that, could be this. Again, scared the hell of you. You know what? Two words came across our minds. Love, work. We love, and it's time to get to work. We either need to learn about everything and be the kind of parents to help other people with it. And, but the love's not going away.

• 1:54:17Tom Ellsworth?

  We're not making any decisions because we're not God. And we're going to get to work and do everything we could. And Brooke turned out just fine. It turns out it wasn't cranial orthosis. But at that moment, we're wondering, are we going to be part of a group of parents that have to do these things? And Brooke's fine, straight A student right now, and we're blessed by that.

• 1:54:36Speaker 05

  That's the video, the one, yeah.

• 1:54:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Blessed by that. And, and I think, let's, let's celebrate and learn from every member of society. Not sit there and say, oh, we're going to handpick and we're going to be God.

• 1:54:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I love these comments that are coming in. James Schrumzak, I have a daughter with Down's. She's an angel. I thank God for her every day. She's a blessing. I love her with everything. Uh, yeah, it's great. You're seeing some of these commentary that's coming through because people, people have gone through this. There's something about this story here.

• 1:55:05Speaker 05

  And, and like, for instance, Pat, like, look at how beautiful this relationship is. These two brothers, I sent it to Rob, Biffen and Turner. Turner's diagnosed with Down's syndrome on the right, and he wants to be like his big brother. Look how beautiful this, this brother is in this moment. About Turner. What's your favorite thing about Turner? Look.

• 1:55:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Makes me laugh.

• 1:55:22Speaker 05

  Daddy's my brother.

• 1:55:25Speaker 05

  Look at that, dude. It's awesome.

• 1:55:29Speaker 05

  What? It makes me feel good to have a brother like him.

• 1:55:34Speaker 05

  I love you. Look at how freaking adorable. Because make me laugh.

• 1:55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I love this video.

• 1:55:41Speaker 05

  Oh, you can stop her. Yeah. Start crying in this place.

• 1:55:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, he hugs, he goes.

• 1:55:46Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, man, life is, life is challenging, life is hard, especially for a husband and wife when you guys are going through the process of wanting to have kids. It's a, let me tell you, nobody prepares you for this. There's not, like, seriously, like, no one prepares you on how the roller coaster ride is, and when you're going through it, you think you're the only person that's going through it? This is a very, very difficult thing people go through. I want, I want to finish with a different story. Uh, before we wrap up, and here's what the story is. By the way, Henry Novak, Rob, we haven't finished that story. If we can get into that and World Cup and then we'll wrap it up. But Henry Novak, um, video comes out about the individual that there's more, uh, to it than we expected. Apparently, the guy that killed them in UK with the story that came out with the, the, the long, uh, what do you call it?

• 1:56:30Speaker 05

  Ceremonial knife.

• 1:56:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Ceremonial blade that he had. Apparently, they found a video of him of having used this in the past before, and they don't know when, but they do know it's the same guy. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:56:44Speaker 06

  Come on!

• 1:56:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That's him?

• 1:56:46Speaker 06

  Recording him, recording him.

• 1:56:50Speaker 05

  Bro, are you serious?

• 1:56:52Speaker 06

  You got big problem, mate.

• 1:56:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the same guy, Rob?

• 1:56:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep, according to reports it is. I fact-checked it with Barack as well.

• 1:57:01Speaker 05

  Is he the guy with the blue turban?

• 1:57:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Crip, yeah, blue.

• 1:57:06Speaker 05

  Crip.

• 1:57:09Patrick Bet-David?

  He's representing, even in London.

• 1:57:11Speaker 05

  Crip, fuck.

• 1:57:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So that comes out.

• 1:57:14Speaker 05

  So he drives around with an eight-inch blade and he's, and he could have it, but they can't have mace?

• 1:57:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And Keir Starmer made it clear that it's legal because it's ceremonial.

• 1:57:21Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, I got it.

• 1:57:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So can you imagine, like, the Syrians, we go out and we say, Syrians, we have ceremonial AK-47s that we walk around. Would that be legal? Would that be okay with you?

• 1:57:30Speaker 05

  Yes, he'd have to say yes.

• 1:57:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What's this here, Rob?

• 1:57:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, this is the police. They apologize, uh, for the death of Henry Novak.

• 1:57:37Patrick Bet-David?

  They blame the killer for lying to them.

• 1:57:40Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:57:42Speaker 02

  Sorry that Henry's life couldn't be saved that night. And I'm sorry that he was handcuffed and arrested in the moments before he lost consciousness. When his killer made that call to police and he called the police, not the ambulance service, he lied on that call. He lied when police attended the scene. He continued to lie as Henry's condition deteriorated. It is clear and it is absolutely tragic that it took them three minutes before they started to administer their first aid.

• 1:58:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So go tell that to the parents.

• 1:58:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Go, go tell that to the parents. Go tell that to the guy that was stabbed five times. He's telling you he can't breathe and you're saying, no, you're right. You know, he made bigoted comments to the other guy and then the mother's running away to hide the ceremonial knife. And it's led to now, how many, what is this here, Rob? This is protests going on in the United Kingdom now over the death of Henry Nowak. Who's, who's protesting against who? Uh, the, the people on the right. But, but are they pro Nowak or are they? They're pro, no, they're pro Nowak. Let me see it.

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• 2:00:58Patrick Bet-David?

  This isn't London right now.

• 2:00:59Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:01:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you blame them?

• 2:01:02Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:01:03Tom Ellsworth?

  No, not at all. And it's unfortunate that the police chief's talking about police who are inexperienced dealing with someone who said he didn't do it.

• 2:01:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:01:11Tom Ellsworth?

  And it's someone who lies.

• 2:01:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your job? Your job is to be able to tell that apart.

• 2:01:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, isn't that shocking? The police are... The guy was lying to us. Really?

• 2:01:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh.

• 2:01:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at this mess here.

• 2:01:25Tom Ellsworth?

  I thought that was a day at the office.

• 2:01:28Patrick Bet-David?

  It's pretty wild.

• 2:01:29Speaker 05

  Pat, did you hear when Michael Knowles said something very, very good on Piers Morgan? He said Henry Nowak was who the left pretended and tried to make George Floyd out to be. That's... This is the truth. Like, I can't breathe, I'm done, I'm stabbed. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, well, like, not believing him because somebody cried racism.

• 2:01:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me see this, Rob.

• 2:01:50Speaker 05

  It's a long, no, it's a long, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a long clip, but that, he basically said that.

• 2:01:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Before Michael Knowles.

• 2:01:55Speaker 05

  Awesome, awesome.

• 2:01:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Michael Knowles is phenomenal, by the way. He's, his takes are so good. He's, he's fair, he's funny, he's interesting, he's smart, he's got a, he's, he's a trifecta.

• 2:02:03Speaker 05

  Because this is justified anger, okay, with George Floyd.

• 2:02:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 2:02:07Speaker 05

  On four times the amount of fentanyl and drugs and everything and resisting and fighting and doing all that stuff, dying of an overdose, and look what the left took to burn down the freaking nation, billions of dollars of tax, blaming racism like the copper says. Even the Asian guy that was standing there, he got arrested, he, he got in trouble, he got fired. It's ridiculous to, to compare the both is, is nuts. This is the actual case. Crying racism, the kid did nothing, he's standing there bleeding out, his hands have no life in them, no color, and they still let in there, "I can't breathe," and he dies. And he dies in front of all of them, okay, because of racism, because of...

• 2:02:38Patrick Bet-David?

  The question is, unfortunately, these types of things happen, but then the question becomes, what do you do to prevent future ones from happening? Did you, did you make adjustments from future ones from happening? You know, and I, and I hope they're making those proper adjustments, Tom.

• 2:02:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, you, you bring up the exact right point. Let's go upstream and find out what's going on. What's going on is the country, its government, and the ruling part of that government, and the police are being told, right? Believe those that are claiming racism. And they have a reverse bias, again, and Pierce will disagree with me, but there is a reverse bias that is going now against the citizenry. And the police are walking with a bias. So when we go upstream, Pat, the police are told to give credence to the claims of the, of the foreigner claiming racism.

• 2:03:35Tom Ellsworth?

  So they give credence, and then they, they are knocking on doors and asking people, "Did you just say, Adam, did you just say that on Instagram?" Wait, what are you talking about? I was on Instagram while I'm watching a soccer game, UEFA, here in England. Yes, but you were on, according to the government source here, and we can see it, you were on Instagram and you said this. I was talking about the other soccer team. This is a true story, by the way.

• 2:03:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:04:00Tom Ellsworth?

  And they're saying, "No, that's inappropriate. We need you to come with us." So the whole country is there. So guess what? For him to say, "That guy said racial things," they are told to arrest Henry. They did their job as they were directed to do it, and now the consequent is that he's died, and they're running from it, and even the excuse sounds completely off. But what we're seeing is the outcome of the reversal of the rule of law, and the reversal of what constitutes racism. And the outcome is the police did the new job they're being asked to do.

• 2:04:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it. I mean, again, the biggest thing for me is, if you make adjustments, if you improve, good for you. If you don't, continues happening. No wonder a guy like Tommy Robinson is able to get hundreds of thousands of people that are going on the streets, because you're not alone. FYI, Tom, if Spencer Pratt ends up losing, if the numbers show up the way that it does, what do you think will end up in LA? What do you think will happen in LA?

• 2:05:06Tom Ellsworth?

  I think there'll be two outcomes. Number one, there will be people that attempt to go to hearings and make their voices heard, because someone's gotta go, the county commission. You saw what happened, and there were people that came in to courtrooms and stuff in Georgia. Atlanta, the citizens are gonna demand it. The citizens are gonna demand it. Because there's 163,549 people that feel they legitimately supported Spencer Pratt for the reasons that he had there. So there's gonna be a citizen response. Is it gonna be J6? No, not at all. But the second thing's gonna happen, I think this is gonna accelerate California Exodus. And this is a country that's lost a country. They claim to be the fourth-largest economy in the world.

• 2:05:50Tom Ellsworth?

  They are, but they keep losing citizens, they keep losing companies. I think we even saw another story that said that they're not even the number one for Fortune 500 anymore. So I think the Exodus will accelerate.

• 2:06:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Texas officially has more Fortune 500 headquarters than California. California had it for a long time.

• 2:06:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Nice.

• 2:06:09Patrick Bet-David?

  It used to be California for a long time. Texas officially took over California for that. Let me get to the last story, Adam, unless you have any thoughts on this.

• 2:06:15Adam Sosnick?

  I'll just say, the saddest thing here is this kid died for the crime of being white. That's all it was. You know, one of the things we've learned is that reverse racism is racism. There's a war on white people. And listen, a lot of people don't even say, Adam, you're not even white, you're Jewish. I don't care what it is. I wish we lived in a colorblind society, you know, but the reality is there's always going to be interpersonal relationships that are going to happen. But the whole systemic thing, especially in America, we don't have systemic racism. There's always going to be little pockets of racism. But, but England, the UK, what they've done, they felt so bad about their white privilege.

• 2:06:56Adam Sosnick?

  And they forgot that England, the United Kingdom, thousand years, it's white people. And they've, and, and, and they, I guess they colonized, everyone's colonized. You don't think the Middle Eastern has been colonized? You don't think Africa's been colonized? Everyone has colonized people, everyone's had slavery. But whites, for some reason, have the, the noose of racism hanging around their neck. And at any given point, the decolonization crowd will lift the noose and kill whitey. And it's a shame.

• 2:07:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, next time Adam says short take, just remember, short take is minimum two minutes. All right, so World Cup.

• 2:07:29Adam Sosnick?

  He's right on this one.

• 2:07:30Patrick Bet-David?

  World Cup games face hours long delays over major safety concerns across US stadiums. And by the way, let me tell you about the new rules for World Cup. I don't know how excited you are, I know we're very excited and the guys are going to be using the podcast room to listen, watch the games on a daily basis. I know Jake's already given me the look. This place is going to be the place. No one's going to be at the 1200 building, they're all going to be here. I hope we regulate it accordingly. But here's the new rules, and some don't like it. Some people don't like it. I don't know for the people that are following this, the World Cup, last World Cup, in my opinion, was the greatest finals game in my, like, for me to watch it, it was phenomenal, where Mbappe gets a hat trick and then Messi ends up winning the first one with the goalie saving that one goal at 123rd minute.

• 2:08:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's the new rules. Here's the new rules that they're, that they're doing. 2026 World Cup will introduce one of the biggest rule overhauls in years with FIFA IFAB, targeting time wasting, expanding VAR authority, and increasing punishments for players misconduct. Let's go through it. VAR gets expanded powers. VAR can now intervene on incorrectly awarded corner kicks, attacking fouls committed before corners and free kicks that later lead to goals, penalties, corners, or free kicks, incorrect second yellow cards that result in red cards, mistaken identity, disciplinary decisions. So that's gonna be crazy right there. Now let's go to the next one. Players can't cover their mouths during

• 2:08:59Patrick Bet-David?

  confrontation. So if you go into the referee or teammate and you're talking like this, red card. They literally are saying this could be... Really? Any player who covers their mouth with a hand, arm, or shirt during the confrontation can be shown a red card, Vinny. You know what red card is, Rob? Can you pull out what a red card is in World Cup? If I'm not mistaken, when you get a red card, not only are you kicked out, but you're suspended the next game. No way. Oh yeah, this is massive. So the market is a red card reserve immediate dejection for the World Cup. How are they covering their mouths? For covering, forcing the players, and one less player remain. Additionally, the offender receives an automatic suspension for the following match. So guess what? No more this. So imagine you're a coach, now you're telling you guys, hey, don't even think about bringing your hands up.

• 2:09:37Adam Sosnick?

  Imagine if you took your mask and you weren't a mask.

• 2:09:38Tom Ellsworth?

  You're mad at the ref, you can't call him a non-just baiting effort.

• 2:09:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. With covered mouth. 10-second substitution. Substituted players must leave the field within 10 seconds using the nearest exit point. If they delay their replacement, cannot enter until at least one minute later and only after the next stoppage, temporarily leaving the team within 10 players. 5-second countdown for restarts. Referees can invite a visible 5-second countdown for throw-ins and goal kicks if they believe a player is deliberately wasting time. This is actually good to make the game more exciting. That's actually gonna be good. Injured outfield players must leave the pitch. Players receiving medical treatment on the field must leave for at least one minute before returning. Goalkeepers on serious injury. So this makes you not fake an injury because you gotta step out. So that could be actually good.

• 2:10:24Patrick Bet-David?

  No more goalkeepers, tactical timeouts. Teams can no longer use goalkeeper injury stop As unofficial coaching breaks where players gather at the bench for instructions, officials will keep players on the field, though no formal punishment currently exists for violations and walking off the field in protest becomes a red card. Player who leaves the field to protest refereeing decisions will be sent off.

• 2:10:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh my god.

• 2:10:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Hydration breaks in every half, each half will conclude, include a three-minute hydration break due to expected heat. I don't know if I like that one. So anyways, those are some of the rules that people are looking at and people, you know, they have, they have some strong thoughts about it with this time. Do you have any thoughts on these new ruling?

• 2:11:03Tom Ellsworth?

  So I don't like new rules on the edge of championships. The NFL always spends all this time, they go, the rules community has decided this, the rules community has decided this. For this year, starting in, at the preseason, you know, we're gonna be ruling things like this, we're gonna be ruling things like this. Major League Baseball had the pitch clock in the minor leagues and the challenge in the minor leagues and they introduced the beginning of it. It frustrates me, why wouldn't you be doing this in Champions League where all these players that are on the Europeans teams play? Why wouldn't you do it in the, the North American and the championships of the Americas? Why wouldn't you test it?

• 2:11:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Why do you wait to go there? Now, something like, okay, when it's at the World Cup, remember you can't cover your mouth and say things. Okay, so now they say, hey, remember, don't yell at the referee and cover your mouth and so you're, you're questioning whether his parents were married when he was born and things like that. You know, you can't do that. I don't mind that, but if you're gonna make a lot of, of, of rule changes that affect play and strategy, you know what? That's just, that's just, I don't like that on the edge of a championship, Pat.

• 2:12:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, listen, diehard soccer fans are not supporting this. Diehard soccer fans are furious about this. Vinny, your thoughts?

• 2:12:26Speaker 05

  Pat, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Leave it alone. What, what is this gonna do? What, he's telling him off? Like, for how many decades, decades, soccer's been just the way it is? It's totally fine the way that it is. I don't think adding any more rules. It's gonna ruin it. It's gonna, it's gonna really, really mess it up. It's gonna delay it. And imagine how many people, Pat, that are gonna forget. Within the first couple of games, they're gonna do this. One guy's gonna mess up and they're out for the next game. And then we're gonna lose a player.

• 2:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Especially, man, imagine if it's a superstar and this is a country. It happens every four years. It's not like it's NBA. You get one game suspension.

• 2:12:56Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 2:12:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Come back up. So it's not like it's a seven game series.

• 2:12:59Speaker 05

  Yes. It's one game.

• 2:13:01Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I'm rooting for the USA. That's it. I'm rooting for, uh.

• 2:13:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Efficiency.

• 2:13:06Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly. I'm rooting for Iranians to bring your sun and lion flag. And if you don't have that, get your hat from VT March, Future Looks Bright. And I'm more focused on right now in the NBA Finals and hoping and praying that the New York Mom Donnies don't win.

• 2:13:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, we'll see then. By the way, aside from that, Japan, I don't know if you guys saw what's going on with Japan. Japanese players showed up to Mexico. And they're not happy because they welcome terrible conditions in Mexico. Japan does. Threatening to leave the World Cup, Rob. I don't know if you have that story or not, if you want to go to it. So they're like, what the hell is going on? Tom, you saw this story, right? You saw what happened when they arrived. Japanese National Football Team is preparing to participate in the world's biggest players, namely the Japanese team was supposed to prepare at the training center of Tigris. But it was reportedly in such poor condition that Japanese leadership threatened to withdraw from the World Cup, which would certainly have been an unprecedented move. However, the organizer reacted immediately and thanks to that,

• 2:14:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Monterey allowed the Japanese national team to use the state of the art training center and the programs were overcome. Japan is in Group F along with Netherlands, Sweden and Tunisia. And will play two matches from the first phase of competition in Arlington against Netherlands on June 14th and Sweden on June 25th. While facing Tunisia June 20th, Guadalupe, Mexico. The World Cup is Japan's eighth consecutive participation in the tournament and its greatest success so far has been ninth place finishes in World Cup in 2002, 2010 and 2022. Tom?

• 2:14:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, first of all, if you're gonna be holding the World Cup and you say, hey, you're gonna be training here. This is where it's gonna be. It's gotta be good. And this seemed kind of, it seemed kind of weird that, um, that the turf is in such bad conditions because if you study Mexico, they're pretty good at growing grass. So.

• 2:14:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Hello?

• 2:14:57Speaker 05

  California?

• 2:14:58Patrick Bet-David?

  What was that about?

• 2:15:00Tom Ellsworth?

  But if you're gonna be inviting-

• 2:15:02Adam Sosnick?

  A little bit of racist dad jokes, but it was good.

• 2:15:04Tom Ellsworth?

  So if you're inviting people, thank you Connor, if you're inviting people to your country, wouldn't you want to put them in some of the finest place? Wouldn't you reach out and say-

• 2:15:15Adam Sosnick?

  Not Mexico, buddy.

• 2:15:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Hey, this is what we're gonna do. Hey, Monterey, we would like to put them there because you've got a great training facility, you're done, some of your players are actually on the Mexican national team, let's do this. Why wouldn't you do that? Why would you send them over to something that isn't, and this is a top 10 team, there's 64 teams, right? And these, and Japan can be said to be a top 10 team. And so it just seems, it just seems ridiculous, Pat. It just seems ridiculous that you would, you would actually allow it to happen. If you were, if you were running an organization as you do, and the best wasn't given to a guest to make somebody feel good, wouldn't you say, where's unreasonable hospitality?

• 2:15:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Especially if guys are coming in and treating them. By the way, you know what's one of the biggest compliments we're getting right now? It's how quickly merch is arriving because of where we are right now with the new management team, new leadership team, as well as the new 3PL that we have. So for some of you guys that are gonna be watching the games and you want to celebrate your country, we have the USA hat there, future looks bright. Rob, if you want to click on that so they can see what it looks like. By the way, it looks so sick on the inside. Somebody the other day bought 15 Iran hats, by the way. And go back, Rob, to the previous ones, other countries, we have Mexico, we have US shirts, we have Mexico on the top right, Brazil, Argentina, and then I think that's Portugal. And if you go all the way to the bottom, we didn't forget Iran, the, see where you have Iran there, Rob? Iran, Rob? Iran, Iran. Rob's got it.

• 2:16:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran, Iran, there it is. Right there. Iran hats-

• 2:16:42Adam Sosnick?

  Rob, spell Manu real quick.

• 2:16:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran and the hats are there as well, which is sick. But look at the, look at the inside of Iran. I love the lion. Go to it, Rob, go boom. I love that.

• 2:16:49Adam Sosnick?

  With the lion and the sun, baby.

• 2:16:50Patrick Bet-David?

  People who know.

• 2:16:51Adam Sosnick?

  With the lion and the sun, let's go.

• 2:16:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, you know. I'm not gonna, it's our shop, Pat.

• 2:16:54Tom Ellsworth?

  In the land of the rising sun, the land of the lion and the sun.

• 2:16:56Patrick Bet-David?

  VPMerch.com, place your order. Anyways, gang, great having, doing a podcast with you guys. We will give you guys our schedule for the summer, it's gonna adjust, but we'll give it to you on Monday. There's massive, massive announcement being made on Monday, especially if you're a father, man. We're looking out for you, but stay tuned for Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody. God bless. Bye bye, bye bye.

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