“Poilievre Is Afraid!” – Maxime Bernier: The Truth About Trudeau, Carney & Canada’s PM Election | PBD Podcast | Ep . 564

Patrick Bet-David interviews Maxime Bernier of the People’s Party of Canada to discuss Justin Trudeau, Pierre Poilievre, mass immigration, conservative values, and how Canada can reclaim its future through bold leadership and independent thinking. ------ 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

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• 0:35Speaker 02

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• 0:46Speaker 03

  Poliev is a liberalite. For Trump, you know, dealing with Carney or dealing with Poliev is the same. Poliev is more against Trump, and he wants to go ahead and impose more tariffs. He tried to pander to that leftist electorate. But it is time to be serious. This country will be destroyed by mass immigration.

• 1:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is he loved by his party?

• 1:12Speaker 03

  Because when he did campaign, he was speaking like a real conservative.

• 1:17Patrick Bet-David?

  The impression to me is like you're running to daddy to protect from a bully.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  If we want to have a deal, we need to put that on the table. Carney is the globalist in chief.

• 1:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What does it mean to be a Canadian?

• 1:31Speaker 03

  Saying that we are putting Canada first is not a slogan for me. It's a reality. But for Poliev, it's a slogan.

• 1:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I still don't know what it is to be a Canadian. What is it to be a Canadian? That is, that is just absolutely embarrassing.

• 1:45Speaker 03

  And I understand Trump, and I'm ready to work with your president. We will do what is right. We are the only hope for Canada.

• 2:11Speaker 05

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 2:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one? My son's right there.

• 2:17Speaker 05

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 2:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so here we go. So guys, a few weeks ago, I went on a rant about Pierre Polivier in Canada. And I called out the fact that he doesn't want to go sit with anybody, he's just waiting for this thing to happen to him and is automatically going to be handed everything over. And in the last couple of days, he's made a few comments about Trump and retweeted a video that we'll watch here together and get a reaction to. While that happened, a lot of Canadians were not happy with me. A lot were very furious with me. But a lot were also in agreement, saying, you know what, please, hold them accountable and challenge them to get out there. But throughout that time, I ran a poll and a name was brought up to me.

• 3:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And they said, you have to look into Maxime Bernier. And I said, okay, great. You know, I started watching videos, content, we started following each other. And the next thing you know, we have Maxime Bernier here from the People Party of Canada. It's great to have you here.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Thank you, Patrick. I'm very pleased to be here. That's a nice opportunity for me because as you may know, in Canada, we may be in elections, you know, in a couple of days. And so I'm traveling across the country and I'm not afraid to do podcasts and very pleased to be with you.

• 3:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I respect the fact that you're doing it. I think one of the things we watched in the US, what happened, was that Bobby Kennedy went to all the podcasts. Vivek went to all the podcasts. Trump with his son Barron saying, hey dad, let's go. He went to all the podcasts, right? And Kamala didn't go. And Ron DeSantis went on ours. We had a great conversation. But some would have said, maybe you should have gone earlier, right? And a lot of the, Nikki Haley didn't want to go. These guys didn't want to go. They thought they were above it. And when I called out Pierre, a lot of Canadians says, "You don't understand. If he goes on a conservative podcast, what the left is gonna do, the left is gonna attack him if he goes on Rogan, if he goes on this, he goes on..." That's why in Canada, it's

• 4:21Patrick Bet-David?

  very different than America. So walk me through the fear that conservatives have in Canada being so frightened of liberals, holding them hostage.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  You know, Poliev and the Conservatives, and I said that a long time ago, that they're conservative in name only. They are the Renault Canadians. Conservative in name only, they are afraid. Why? Because also in Canada, we are mainstream media, Radio Canada in French, CTV, CBC. They are all leftist. So, and actually, we don't have Fox News in Canada on the other side. So for me, the Canadian population has been manipulated by the leftist media. So Poliev is afraid of the reaction coming from the leftist media. But you know, he

• 5:10Speaker 03

  must understand, as a politician, we are in 2025, and the future is with independent media, podcasters, and you must go out there and explain your platform. But he doesn't want to do that also because he's afraid of the reaction, yes, of the mainstream media. And also because he cannot have a discussion right now. We don't know what he believes in right now. He is keeping secret his platform, will know that during the election. So now he's speaking only with slogan, and for me, it's empty slogan. And you know, there's a lot, a lot of people, his real conservative base are not happy with him because now he's

• 5:53Speaker 03

  doing campaign not against the liberals, but against Trump. And you must know that in Canada, they did a survey before the presidential election, and 65% of Canadians said in that survey that they will have voted for Harris and the Democrats. So for Poliev, he tried to pander to that leftist electorate and try to have their support. By doing that, you know, he's going away from real conservative values. And the real conservative values, free market values are not so popular today in Canada. So we need to be out there and to speak about our ideas. And that's what I'm doing as politicians.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  That's why I left and I, you know, I quit the Conservative Party of Canada in 2018. And I said that this party is morally and intellectually corrupt because they won't promote conservative ideas. And by doing that, they're giving credibility to the leftist narrative. And that's what Poliev is doing now and people are not happy with him, like you. You're not happy with him because he's not doing his job as a real conservative and he's not.

• 7:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, to me, it's, the reason why I respect Trump as much as I do as well as Bobby Kennedy. Anytime, anyplace, anywhere. And not afraid of the leftist media.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And in America, you gotta respect that.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And when you, when you looked at Kamala or some of the other guys, it wasn't anytime, anyplace, anywhere. It just was, it had to be controlled. Here's the questions you get to ask me, you better ask this, nothing more than this. So I want to play the clip you and I were talking about earlier. This is Pierre playing a clip, Rob, if you can go to my Twitter account. Uh, go up a little bit, a little bit, keep going. Uh, I think it's the one two above, go two above, two above, no, the other way, Rob. Go two above, right there. Go down to Ben and Jerry, go down to Ben and Jerry, it's right there. So go to Pierre's if you could, and let me just first read what he says. And then I want to get your commentary on it. So he says, "Last night, President Trump endorsed Mark Carney." Why?

• 8:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Because as Trump said, "He's easier to deal with and knows that I will be a tough negotiator and always put Canada first." Carney is weak and would cave to Trump's demands, just like he did when he moved his company headquarters from Canada to New York City. Canadians don't want a weak and conflicted leader. They want a strong prime minister who will put Canada first. So now let me play the clip. Here's Trump. Rob, if you can play the clip of Trump, what he says here. Go for it.

• 8:29Speaker 06

  Isn't that gonna be, make them more hostile to us and possibly open the door-

• 8:32Speaker 07

  No, I'd rather deal with a liberal than a conservative.

• 8:34Speaker 06

  For China, closer to Canada, and that would really put us in a bind.

• 8:37Speaker 07

  A conservative that's running is stupidly no friend of mine. I don't know him, but he said negative things. So, when he says negative things, I couldn't care less. I think it's easier to deal, actually, with a liberal.

• 8:49Speaker 06

  Isn't that gonna be-

• 8:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So, when I posted this, Rob, go back to my tweet, because I want to show you what people said. Okay, just go to the bottom of the comments to show what Canadians said. So, some people said, keep, yeah, right there, if you can go lower. I've been to Canada, I'm hoping, okay, Maxime Bernier is the only politician in Canada that can actually understand this. Pierre has never had an actual job outside of politics. He's a World Economic Forum, uniparty, show through and through. He's a useless, whatever, whatever politician, he's no leader. You're wrong here, Pat. Trump is doing Poliev a favor by saying he'd prefer liberals. This is an endorsement for the PP. His policies do exactly what Trump wants. Energy pipelines, oil, Canada's got a lot of those things. Poliev and Carney are hood ornaments. Do you have any suggestions? On a serious note, thanks for saying PM and not governor.

• 9:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Patrick, I think Trump understands this endorsement, especially framed in a term of being a pushover will hurt Carney. He is mitigating the side effect that his tariff policy was driving up liberal support. Pierre has to posture to keep that illusion alive. Who's right here?

• 9:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that, you know, President Trump is right because Poliev, right now, and the liberals, Carney, are the same on the most important issues for the future of our country, and we can go on on these issues later. And, right now, you know, for me, it's a lib-con party. And so, you know, instead of, and people in Canada now, if you look in the polls, again, it's a bad news, but the liberals are ahead right now, and the election may be called as soon as in a couple of days. Why? Because Poliev is a liberalite, and instead of, you know, voting conservative, liberalite, they will vote for the real liberal, and the real liberal is Carney.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  So, for Trump, you know, dealing with Carney or dealing with Poliev is the same. And so, we are very different as a political party. We are this populist political party, a little bit like Trump, and on a lot of policies, our party is in line with Trump. On tariffs, like, we can have a discussion about that. We have a different position than Poliev, but Poliev is doing the war- Against Trump using tariffs and you know imposing tariffs and taxes on us Canadians. And for him, like I told you in the beginning, because Trump is not popular in Canada. And he's, I think he think that you know by being against Trump that will help him in Canada.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  But you know, the most important is the policies and he's very disappointing on that.

• 11:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's go through that. So let's take what percentage of Canada are conservatives? Conservatives, yeah, specifically conservatives. What would you say?

• 11:29Speaker 03

  Well, you have Western Canada, Alberta, you know, Alberta, Western Canada. You know, right now there's about a big, you know, forty percent of the population.

• 11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That are conservatives.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  That are ready to vote conservative.

• 11:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so of the forty percent, and by the way, conservative.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  Conservative including us. We are the real conservatives.

• 11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure. You and Pierre, whatever party, those two conservative party? You're saying there's about forty percent of them. Of the forty percent of voters in Canada that are conservative, okay? What percentage of them like Trump?

• 12:03Speaker 03

  If you look, you know, they did a survey in Canada for people who voted for the Conservative and will vote for Poliev. Twenty-five percent of his base like Trump, twenty-five percent of his voters.

• 12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 12:19Speaker 03

  For me, it's about, you know, fifty percent of my voters who like Trump. So, and now by doing that, his goal is to split the Liberal vote. To go ahead and to split the Liberal vote. But it's at a big risk of losing his base, twenty-five percent of his base. And so for us, we can grow there, but for us, our growth will come from non-voters. There's forty percent of the population who didn't vote at the last election. If I have, and they don't vote because they don't like these establishment political parties and Poliev and Carney and Trudeau. So we are the option, the new option for them.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  So our growth can be coming from these non-voters that may come and vote for us.

• 13:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so for his base, out of the forty percent, you said twenty-five percent like Trump, seventy-five percent don't like Trump. Okay. From your base, fifty percent like-

• 13:18Speaker 03

  At least fifty percent.

• 13:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  But we don't do any polling, we don't do any focus groups-

• 13:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You're assuming, so it could be sixty, seventy percent.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, from the conservatives that don't like Trump, why don't they like, what about Trump do they not like, and his policies?

• 13:32Speaker 03

  But now it's the tariff, you know, Trump, because of the mainstream media, they are saying, oh, Trump is against Canada, Trump wants to, you know, invade our country, Trump wants to, our country to be the fifty-first state. So they're nationalists, and they said, oh, and, and they believe that. The mainstream media and the liberals and the conservatives like that, like the fact that Trump said, "We will be, or we may be, or that would be great if we are the fifty-first state." They like it because now they say, "No, we are defending the sovereignty of our country." But all that, you know, it's just, when Trump is saying that, for me, he's not serious, he's just, you know, having fun against our leaders, he knows that we don't like it, he's using that,

• 14:15Speaker 03

  telling our prime minister, you know, the, the governor of Canada. It's, if you, and I did, I did read his book, you know, The Art of a Deal, and that's the way he's doing deals, discredit his opponent, and he's doing that and using that. But in Canada, it's good for the liberals, they are saying, "We are the defender of the country." But they are not, their policy will be very bad for the country. And I said politically, and, you know, when I'm doing interviews, that we are the only hope for Canada. If our policies are not adopted, or not be adopted in parliament, this country is going nowhere.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  You know, we need to change that, and we have bold policies that are in line, and when I'm saying that we are putting Canada, Canada first and our country first, it's not a slogan for me, it's a reality, but for Poilievre, it's an empty slogan.

• 15:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So in 2018, when you left the Conservative Party, who was Polier? Who was he at the time? Did he have credibility? Was he famous? Did he already have influence or no?

• 15:19Speaker 03

  No, so for me, I'm not a career politician. I did work 19 years in the financial sector in Montreal. I did good money over there. 2006, I jumped into politics with Harper. And I was a Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Industry. And Poliev was elected at that time. Poliev was elected at 24 years old. Never had a real boss. He's for the last 20 years, his job is to be a politician.

• 15:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's a lifelong politician?

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, absolutely. No private sector experience.

• 15:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Ever?

• 15:50Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Before 24, nothing?

• 15:52Speaker 03

  24 years old, I think the first job was working in an MP office in Ottawa.

• 15:56Patrick Bet-David?

  NPR office in Ottawa?

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, working with a Member of Parliament in Ottawa, in his office.

• 16:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it, so it's always been politics? He has zero free enterprise, free market experience? Okay.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  So this guy is doing politics by survey focus group and, you know, he tried to please everybody. But when you do that, you're not able to win.

• 16:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you give an example of that? When you say he tries to please everybody, what examples do you have?

• 16:19Speaker 03

  On mass immigration. In Canada, we have mass immigration right now. And that destroying our social fabric. You know, we had more than 1.2 million foreigners coming to our country. And, you know, for a country of 40 million people, that's a lot. Actually, you know, the growth of our population last year was 3.2%. And the average growth of population in the Western countries was 0.2%. And 97% of our population growth is coming from immigration. So if you go like that for a couple of years, that's the replacement, you know, territory, but in practice in Canada. So for him, he's not speaking about that. He's okay with mass immigration like the Liberals.

• 17:04Speaker 03

  And we are not. We are the only party that is saying we need to have a pause on immigration. You know, a moratorium on immigration. Because, you know, that is affecting economically Canadians. Our standard of living is going down. is up, you know, and we have ghettos in our country, people are not integrating into our society. So it's a big mess and we need to have that pause. So what I'm telling you is pandering to the ethnic communities like Trudeau. So Poliev is doing the same game because in some ridings in Canada, to win and to have a majority, you know, in Toronto, for example, there's a lot of ridings over there, a seat over there, more than in Alberta.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  So and and that region, there's a lot of immigrants and they want to have more of their friends coming to Canada. So Poliev is pandering to them to be sure to win these ridings, knowing that the majority of the population don't want that mass immigration anymore. But he's not listening to them because for him, he's looking riding by riding and he need to seat by seat, which seat he will be able to win to be in government.

• 18:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's interesting you're saying that while I'm pulling this up, by the way, in 2018, who was he somebody in 2018?

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:20Patrick Bet-David?

  2018, when you left the, was he an upcoming guy or not yet?

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Not yet, not yet. No, no, no.

• 18:25Patrick Bet-David?

  When did he become a superstar?

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Uh, only two years ago. When he decided to run to, because the other leader, O'Toole, was a real leftist, you know, I did.

• 18:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Of the Conservative Party?

• 18:38Speaker 03

  For, so, so, you know, I was in politics into 2006 and 2015, Harper didn't win. 2017, we had a leadership contest in the Conservative Party. I did run. I had forty-nine percent of the vote, didn't win. Sheer was the leader at that time. I resigned from the Conservative Party in 2018 and Sheer was the leader in 2019. We had a general election, the Liberal won. And after Sheer, they had another leadership contest, a Conservative, they put O'Toole and O'Toole was a real, you know, leftist guy. And after that, they put Poliev and Poliev was a star because he was good on with videos and I must admit, he's a good communicator.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  And so he was good and during the leadership contest, he was speaking like a real Conservative to be sure to win the base and to, so he was speaking like a real Conservative. But after that, when he won, uh, you know, he went to the left and to try to please to more people in Canada. And so he, answering your question, he became to be popular, uh, maybe only three years ago.

• 19:44Patrick Bet-David?

  So Aaron O'Toole.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, was the leader before him.

• 19:48Patrick Bet-David?

  And then it was Andrew Shear.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  I lost my leadership against him, yeah.

• 19:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You lost your leadership against him?

• 19:53Speaker 03

  In 2017.

• 19:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So when they chose him, you said, "I'm out." And you're starting your own thing?

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll tell you, you know, forty-nine percent of the members of the Conservative Party did vote for me. So after that leadership contest, I did work fifteen months with Andrew Shear as my leader. But I had a private meeting with him, and fifteen months later, he told me, and I want him to take some of my policies and ideas. They were very popular with the membership. So we had a meeting, and he said, "Maxine, you're right. Your ideas are very popular with the membership of the Conservative Party of Canada. But I won't take any of your ideas, because now I want to be Prime Minister of Canada, and your ideas are not popular with the population. So at the next election in 2019, forget your ideas." So that's why I resigned.

• 20:41Patrick Bet-David?

  He's saying that to you face to face in a one-on-one meeting?

• 20:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this public information, when he said this to you?

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I'm putting that public.

• 20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You've never said this before. So in one-on-one, he's telling you, because your policies are not popular.

• 20:53Speaker 03

  I won't run, I won't take any of your...

• 20:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Because he wants to be a Prime Minister.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they're doing politics by polling and survey. So, and then I said, "I don't have to waste my time here." They are not, and that's why I resigned in 2018, after fifteen months, when he won the leadership. When he told me that, I resigned, you know? And I took these ideas, and we created the People's Party based on these ideas. And, you know, this party is growing now. But they don't want to speak about something that is not that popular today. So that's why they're conservative in name only.

• 21:27Patrick Bet-David?

  How close is he to Pierre?

• 21:30Speaker 03

  Shear now?

• 21:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Shear, Shear and...

• 21:31Speaker 03

  Oh, he's number three with him now.

• 21:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So they're close, they're close friends?

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, they're close friends, yeah.

• 21:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so they're close friends. Again, I'm trying to get smarter, I don't know Canadian politics. O'Toole, is he close with Pierre or no?

• 21:42Speaker 03

  O'Toole resigned, he's not a member of Parliament anymore, he's in the private sector, so forget it.

• 21:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he any name in politics in Canada, or not really? Nobody mentions O'Toole?

• 21:51Speaker 03

  No, no, no, he's nobody right now.

• 21:53Patrick Bet-David?

  He doesn't have endorsement, he doesn't carry weight?

• 21:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:55Patrick Bet-David?

  When is the last time you and Pierre had interaction together?

• 21:59Speaker 03

  When I was a Conservative. When I was a conservative, so, uh, twenty fifteen.

• 22:04Patrick Bet-David?

  How was that interaction?

• 22:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, goo- good, you know, Pierre and I, we, uh, we, you know, we had good conversation. And at that time, when I was a conservative, he was pushing in, in the caucus privately, conservative reform. But, you know, now because he's the leader and so, you know, he forgot all that. But I must admit that, you know, Stephen Harper was prime minister and I was working with him. Stephen Harper was a libertarian and less government, but he did the biggest deficit of the history of our country during the financial crisis. And so Stephen Harper had a majority and he didn't use the majority to implement bold reforms.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  And Stephen Harper was a good manager of a big fat government and Poliev would be the same if he's prime minister.

• 22:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Is Stephen Harper respected and loved in Canada or no?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, now after, yeah, he resigned and I think so, yeah, with, with the conservatives in Canada. And Stephen Harper is giving advice to Poliev right now.

• 23:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And Pierre, and so Poliev is following his footsteps?

• 23:09Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 23:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, all right, so that's good to know. So a couple of things here when you said immigration, I want to show you something with immigration, which was shocking to me when I pulled up the data. So I looked at, uh, what countries most residents, new permanent residents are coming into Canada? Because the number starts around twenty twenty-two. Rob, if you can show up the data that shows the spike in immigration, it's the, uh, it's that one right there. So you look at this, the net international migration from nineteen fifty-two to twenty twenty-three, you're getting some people coming in, maybe two hundred thousand on average, hundred thousand on average, all of a sudden, boom, one point two and a half million. And I looked at the numbers, in twenty twenty-two,

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:50Patrick Bet-David?

  The number one country that migrants, immigrants came in from twenty-seven percent was Indians, hundred and eighteen.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:56Patrick Bet-David?

  China's number two, then Afghanistan, Nigeria, Philippines, France, Pakistan, Iran, US, then Syria, this is twenty twenty-two. Twenty twenty-three, India, China, Philippines, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Cameroon, uh, Eritrea, Iran, US, twenty twenty- India, Philippines, China, Cameroon, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, France. Okay, then I pulled up a number just to kind of see.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, in Canada in nineteen ninety one, according to the Canadian census, the Muslim population in Canada was point nine percent. The Muslim population today in Canada is five percent, okay? That's based on your uh census that you have.

• 24:33Speaker 03

  You're right about it.

• 24:33Patrick Bet-David?

  And then the other number that was also shocking is in two thousand and twenty three, population grew by one point two seven million in Canada. Of the people that grew, the number of kids that you guys had that contributed to the one point two seven million was only two point four percent.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Ninety seven point six percent were people that came in from other countries. That's not necessarily a growth that you some people would call that an invasion, so.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  A replacement.

• 25:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, replacement could be one of them. So how different are your policies versus Poliev when it comes on to this?

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Poliev is okay with mass immigration. His number right now is two hundred and fifty foreigners every year, starting when he if his prime minister, two hundred and fifty thousand. For us, it's zero, no more. We need, we are not able to uh integrate them into our society, uh you know, and that's destroying our social fabric, the countries that you just quote. Uh, you know, a lot of them are not sharing Western civilization values. And we, you know, we don't do any screening, you know, that we must change that. When we will reopen to immigration, we need to have a face to face interview with them. We don't have that anymore. Uh, we need to be sure that they share Canadian values. In Canada, don't forget also, we have a legislation in Canada,

• 25:54Speaker 03

  and the federal government is promoting multiculturalism. So we are saying to people, come to our country, keep your culture, and you know, everything is okay. If you don't integrate into our society, it's okay. So we have Indian ghettos in B C, uh Bernabeu. We have ghettos also in Brenton, Ontario. And there's no incentive for them to come and to integrate into our society. And actually, before that, we were asking them to speak at least English or French. We have two official languages in Canada, English and French. That was a condition a couple of years ago to to come to Canada, to be an immigrant. And now it's not anymore. So they don't speak the language. They're going in a ghetto. They don't integrate.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  That's changing the social fabric of our country. But Poliev won't speak about that. He is pandering to these ethnic communities to have votes in different writings and more seats. So that's what he's doing. That is part of his strategy. Because now, you know, all these immigrants that are coming, they're foreigners. They will vote conservative or they will vote liberal. But if you do a big survey, you know, sixty-five percent of the population is okay to end mass immigration in Canada. And also a majority of immigrants, but older immigrants, people who came here fifteen years ago because it was tough for them to come here. They had to speak English and French and they have to prove that they will have a job. It was tough. It took them maybe years.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  And now they're looking at that. Everybody can come in Canada with no screening, nothing. It's unfair and they don't want that and they're right about it.

• 27:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that makes sense. And by the way, when you're, when you're speaking about to the audience in Canada, what, what comparison are you making? What comp? Meaning, let's just say if I'm buying a house and I say, I'm willing to buy this house for nine hundred thousand dollars. But Mr. Realtor, what are the comps on the property? The guy next door sold for eight twenty. The house next door sold for eight seventeen. The house next door is that similar size to you sold eight oh five. It's not really a nine hundred thousand dollar house. It's really an eight hundred and fifteen thousand dollar house. Okay, great. I'm getting comps. What country, when you guys are looking, what Canada can turn into if it goes this way? The next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years? What do you see happening if they don't change their immigration policies?

• 28:12Speaker 03

  If we don't change our immigration policy, you know, our standard of living will go down. Right now, the impact of mass immigration on housing, like you just said, you know, it's...

• 28:23Patrick Bet-David?

  It's scary what's going on there with real estate.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's scary. You know, a young family cannot buy a house downtown Toronto, downtown Montreal or downtown Vancouver. And the solution for that, it's a question of, you know, supply and demand. And my solution is just cut the demand. You know, all these people need a roof. And you need to... Stop that, but for Poliwe, he said, we need to build more houses. But actually, you know, 10 years ago, we were building in Canada about 250,000 houses a year. 10 years ago. And now we are still building 250,000 houses a year. And statistic Canada said that just to match the demand, we need to build 700,000 houses a year.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  So that's not the solution for the housing crisis in our country. The solution is to have that moratorium on immigration. And I'm not speaking about, you know, the, the, the fact that the, the center of, you know, the pie, the economy, economic pie is growing in Canada because you have so many people. But the GDP per capita is going down. So our, our piece of the pie is smaller. Yeah, because the population is growing faster than the GDP. So all that mass immigration, what, all that mass immigration created, you know, the fact that we are poor for the next, last 10 years, uh, we didn't, our, we didn't grow. Our GDP per capita didn't grow.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  So that's, that's why people are okay with ending mass immigration. But I'm the only one who's speaking about that in Canada.

• 29:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and the question I was, I want to come back to this because Canada's number two country in lumber, uh, lumber in the world. I think you guys are behind Russia.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And the average house right now is 786,000 dollars. Who the hell can afford that?

• 30:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's come back to that, but I want to talk to you still on case studies. When I was looking at what, uh, Poland did, Dominik Targinsky.

• 30:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Where he said, nobody can come here. They're not for immigration and they don't want to go by the demands that EU has with what happened with UK. Of course, UK Brexit. There's a fellow who had a video that went viral in Canada, talking about Sharia law. I want to share this with you. I want to get your thoughts to see how people in Canada feel about this. Is this even a concern that other families are bringing up? Rob, if you don't mind playing this clip, it'd be great. Go for it.

• 30:48Speaker 08

  What are you going to do then? Actually, even then, if we have families, we are making babies. You're not, that population is going down the slump. One day, we can have a Muslim majority nation here in Canada, right in your face.

• 31:02Speaker 09

  You say that you want Sharia law to displace Canadian law. That doesn't sound very respectful.

• 31:06Speaker 08

  In majority, you wouldn't have any other option, my friend. Islam doesn't endorse gayism. Islam doesn't endorse homosexuality. The gay people are doing is against the commandments of God.

• 31:16Speaker 09

  We have Canadian law here, and you say that you want Sharia law to displace Canadian law. That doesn't sound very respectful.

• 31:22Speaker 08

  In majority, you wouldn't have any other option.

• 31:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this, is this a concern in Canada? That Canada can turn into the next UK of the West?

• 31:31Speaker 03

  Not now, not now. But when I'm speaking, I'm telling that to people, you know, you know, like in France, there's no go zone over there. In UK also, because of mass immigration and the, the non-integration of these immigrants. And, but it, it's, it's coming more and more. People are fed up more and more.

• 31:52Patrick Bet-David?

  About this specific topic? Because the Muslim population in Canada grown from 1991 till now, from 0.9% to 5%. That's, that's 500%. That's a big growth that they've had. Is that a concern? Because those.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  It's becoming, it's becoming a concern. For example, in Toronto, you know, now they're a pressure group. The Muslim community are pressuring, you know, provincial governments to adopt some, you know, laws that will, you know, financial law that will be in line with, with their philosophy to be, as you know, they cannot pay interest. So there's kind of an arrangement and some regulations at the provincial level to allow them to be able to have, you know, a mortgage without paying any interest. So they, they are coming more and more influential politically. The, the answer is yes. But in the main population, that's not a real concern. The real concern is mass immigration now.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  There's no focus, but we need, you know, radical Islam is present in Canada. That ideology is there. We need to fight that for sure.

• 32:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What is this, Rob? They just pulled up?

• 33:01Speaker 10

  This is a chart showing from 2001 to 2021, just in 20 years, that the Muslim population in Canada has more than doubled from 2.1%, um, 2.0% to 4.9% across the country.

• 33:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, how is crime in Canada? I'm curious.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  Oh my God, very bad. The, it very bad because for Trudeau, uh, you know, he was not tough on crimes. And, you know, we did pass legislation when I was a conservative at that time to be really tough on crime. But now, you know, crimes in big, big cities are, um, I don't have the data, but if you look at the statistic, they're doubled at what they were 10 years ago. So, yeah, you can see that in Canada.

• 33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  It's doubled from, you said from?

• 33:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, the last 10 years. Yeah.

• 33:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And this, okay, so is that a, is that a?

• 33:47Speaker 03

  And that's a concern, actually. And that's why I'm very pleased, uh, what President Trump did. President Trump decided to actually, wow, look, look at that. Yeah.

• 33:59Patrick Bet-David?

  When did Trudeau get elected?

• 34:00Speaker 03

  2015.

• 34:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at that.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, 2015.

• 34:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my God.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and Trump, what, what I like from Trump, he said, you know, protect your borders, be sure to fight crimes and all these drug traffickers. And now after nine years Trudeau decided, and the Liberal government decided to do that. But we needed Trump to push our government to work for Canadians. You know, the first role of a leader of a, of a country is to protect your population. You know, the government, the first role of a government is the safety of their own citizens. And, and the Liberals did zero yet the last nine years. And now because of Trump, now the federal government is investing and fighting crimes. It's, it's new, but it's coming. But look, yeah, that's the, after.

• 34:49Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, to, to be, to, you mentioned Stephen Harper, right? You said Stephen Harper. So Stephen Harper was Prime Minister from 06 till 15, right? Go back to that chart, Rob. So if you go from two thousand six declined from what it was to, what did he do to lower crime the way that he did in Canada? That's very impressive.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, we know, we passed legislation and actually, but the, the bad thing is all our legislation that we passed at that time, uh, you know, minimum sentences and things like that. The Supreme Court of Canada said it's unconstitutional. So a couple of years later, you know, these legislation are not in force anymore and to do what I see with that and look what happened.

• 35:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, okay, so let's go back to real estate. Real estate i- i- in Canada, you said the current, you know, we've been building two hundred fifty thousand, uh, on average, the last houses, the last, I, I think the number was whatever it was ten years ago, it's what you're doing today.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  It's the same number today.

• 35:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It's the same number today, yes. But the average property value right now in Canada, we looked at the number was, is seven hundred and eighty six thousand dollars for single family homes. That, that amazes me.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, in big cities, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, not in little cities, but yeah, that's, uh, that's very.

• 36:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What does it say here, right there? So if you look at the average selling price of a home in Canada increased by point one percent year over year, seven oh nine, the average selling price of a single family home in Canada increased.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:14Patrick Bet-David?

  To seven eighty six. It could, when you look at the amount of like supply and things that you have, why, why, why hasn't somebody in the last ten years emphasized investing in building more to be able to lower pricing? So when a new family is getting married, having kids, they can't afford to buy seven hundred eighty six thousand dollars.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  And actually, that, there's a link also with our birth rate, you know, because they did a survey with young family and one of the reason why they didn't, they decided not to have kids, it's because they want to have a home before. And actually, that was personally, I had two daughters and yes, me and my ex-wife decided to buy a house before having kids. So, so they cannot buy a house and they're not having kids. So that's another relations. But why, if you ask me why, we must ask the Liberal Government, there's a lot of regulations also in big cities and so there's no incentive for provinces to cut down on regulations and they're, they're, they're, and i- i- it's, it's, it's, if you want to buy, to, to build

• 37:19Speaker 03

  something in a big city in Canada and to have all the permits, it can take months. So that's another big problem that we have.

• 37:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you pull up the birth rate in Canada? I just pulled it up right now, I'm looking at it. Canada's fertility rate is amongst the lowest in the world, placing it in the lowest of the low category.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:37Patrick Bet-David?

  With a rate of 1.26, right now you have it at 133. I have it at 1.26. Children born per woman in 2023, that's a 2022 rate. Joining countries like South Korea, Spain, Italy, and Japan.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  So the logic for, that's the logic for mass immigration. They're saying our birth rate is going down, let's bring all these people. But you know, these people are not young. Usually they're, you know, they're about, you know, an average of, I don't know, 30 years old or something like that. They're not so young. And so we, that's not the solution. The solution is easy, could cut that mass immigration, do all these bold reforms, balance the budget, cut taxes, being sure to give more money in the pockets of these families. And they would be able to have a kid if they want to.

• 38:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that is, um, that is scary to think about the birth rate. By the way, I just pulled up a number to see if it can break down what percentage. It's not breaking down percentages, telling me numbers on what age they are, the people that are coming in. But birth rate, let's, let's go to that.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  But they are, they are not so young. So Statistic Canada, I think they did a survey about that, if you like. Statistic Canada, uh, average, um, age of immigrants, something like that.

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• 40:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Canada, sixty-four, seventy, twenty-five to fifty-four. The median age of, oh, wow.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 40:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  That's not the.

• 40:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Forty-seven years old.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's not the solution.

• 40:11Patrick Bet-David?

  They're not gonna have kids, forty-seven-year-olds.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 40:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  And, and you told us the country where they're coming from. They're not coming from Europe or from, you know, America or countries. They're coming from, that's why I tweeted and I said that, you know, when you import third-world, uh, people coming from third-world countries, your country will become a third-world country. And that's what is happening. That's changing the social fabric of our country. And that's why populist movement in UK, in France, in Germany are growing because of immigration, and that's the same thing here in Canada.

• 40:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I just pulled this up. I asked the question saying, why, why does Canada have such a low birth rate? And it says economic factors.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Housing in cities like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Job market. Many young Canadians struggle for job security, high student debt.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  But, but now, yeah, but now with mass immigration, we are importing cheap labor. And so that's a problem. Now, we, you said in India, we had a lot of fake students coming from India. They came here, they had a fake diploma. And usually when you are international students, you come here, you study, and you leave after that. You're going back to your country of origin. They don't want to leave. They use that to be a permanent residence. And after their diploma, they want to stay here. And Poliev and Trudeau said, okay, we'll give you the permanent residency. So these people are cheating. They don't want to go back to their country. And Poliev and the Liberals are saying, it's okay. We'll give you a gift. You don't respect our legislation, but we will give you a gift. We will give you permanent residency.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  That's the position of these.

• 41:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that really his position?

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Is really Poliev's position is permanent residency for anybody that's come the last three years are getting permanent residence?

• 42:01Speaker 03

  That's to solve the international students that are coming to Canada. They want to stay and he is pandering to them. And look, you know, international students from India.

• 42:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the title say, Rob?

• 42:15Speaker 10

  I'm not sure if this is right article.

• 42:16Patrick Bet-David?

  The radical out of control NDP liberal government has destroyed our citizens. Yeah, I want to know what he says about making them permanent residents.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, he said that for the students. I don't know for the international students.

• 42:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So he said he's gonna make.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  The India international students, they will have the right, he said they will have the right to work here more than 10 hours a week and they will have the right to stay here after that. So that's what he wants, but actually, these, and you can find a video of me speaking with an international students in PI and they did protests all across the country and I said in his face, you know, after your diploma, if you don't leave the country, we will deport you. And I said that, you know, I don't know, a video from, ah, this one here.

• 43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I hear this? I'm pressing on pause because I want to put the.

• 43:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 43:19Speaker 12

  Now you can stay, but when they're gonna be expired.

• 43:22Speaker 13

  We will see at that moment.

• 43:23Speaker 12

  Yeah, but what I'm saying, if some of you have their permit that are expired.

• 43:27Speaker 13

  Nobody standing here is illegal. They have their permits.

• 43:31Speaker 12

  But in your group of 100 people.

• 43:32Speaker 13

  Nobody is expired. If they would have been expired, they would have been deported.

• 43:36Speaker 12

  Okay, but they will be deported when you be expired.

• 43:39Speaker 13

  This is why. No, no, they won't be deported.

• 43:42Speaker 12

  You just said that when he's gonna be expired, they will be deported.

• 43:45Speaker 13

  They will be legalizing their stay. No deportation will be needed at that moment.

• 43:48Speaker 12

  But we will need deportation.

• 43:50Speaker 13

  That's why you need to have full knowledge. You are a leader. I think you should have a full knowledge before you get in here.

• 43:55Speaker 12

  No, no, I have a full knowledge. I'm saying when the permit is expired, you must be deported.

• 43:59Speaker 13

  You're saying my permit is expired. It isn't.

• 44:01Speaker 12

  No, no, if it's not, but it will be in couple of weeks or in couple of months.

• 44:05Speaker 13

  I can extend it.

• 44:06Speaker 12

  But I hope they won't because we don't need you.

• 44:08Speaker 13

  They will.

• 44:08Speaker 12

  No, we don't need you here in this country.

• 44:11Speaker 13

  How can you decide it? For example, listen to me.

• 44:13Speaker 12

  There's Canadians, there's young Canadians that can work at Tim Hortons.

• 44:17Speaker 13

  Then they can. I'm not working.

• 44:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Unbelievable, the level of audacity to say that.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  They think that they have, you know, the right to stay here.

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• 45:42Speaker 03

  India.

• 45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  He's from India?

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:44Patrick Bet-David?

  That's number one, where it's coming from.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 45:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So what would you do?

• 45:48Speaker 03

  And also, don't forget, universities and colleges are using that for financing their operation, because they're paying more fees to come here than Canadians. It's more expensive for them than Canadians. So actually, some universities are very happy with that. It's a way, because the federal government and provincial governments are cutting funding to universities. So they use the international students to finance their operations. So that's also, and I told you, university, no. You know, you won't use that, that trick to be able to have more money. Just raise your fees if you want to.

• 46:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so what is your solution on two things? What are you gonna do to fix immigration? And what are you gonna do to increase birth rate? Because the economy is what you gotta address for families to decide to wanna have kids. How are you gonna address those two issues?

• 46:39Speaker 03

  So first, the moratorium on immigration, no more immigrants. And so that's important. Second, that's all about the economy. So, we want to balance the budget in Canada. We can do that in one year. We will cut foreign aid, eight billion dollars, we'll save that. We'll cut corporate subsidies, ten billion dollars. Our deficit in Canada this year is sixty-two billion dollars. So we can achieve that. Poliev is not speaking about that, because it's not popular to speak about cutting. We will cut, we'll have a smaller government in Canada. We'll have our Canadian Dodge, you know. I said that in 2020, that, you know, we need to have a department of downsizing the government. I said that in 2020.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  So we will do that, we'll balance the budget, we'll lower taxes, we'll have a flat tax on business at fifteen percent. We will, we have five tax brackets in Canada right now on your income. We'll go down to three, and the goal is go down to one. So, reforming the federal government, downsizing the federal government, respecting our constitution. Right now, the federal government is a big fat government interfering in provincial jurisdiction and provincial autonomy. We'll do that, we'll be able. And I have, you know, we have also a capital gains tax in Canada. We will cut that, no more capital gains tax in Canada. So, lowering taxes, and we don't have a real free trade in Canada. You know, this country has been built in eighteen sixty-seven.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  And the reason that we exist as a country first was to have an economic union in Canada. To be able to compete against you guys in the South. That was the idea, to have an economic union. And now we don't have that. There are trade barriers between provinces. So we need to have a real economic union, we need to work about that. We need also to develop our natural resources. In my own province, in Quebec, there's a moratorium on the development of shale gas, for example. And we need to be real pro-market and be able to develop natural resources. To do that, we need to withdraw from the Paris Accord. But Poliev is okay with that. Poliev, I must admit, he won't impose a carbon tax to Canadian consumers,

• 48:46Speaker 03

  but he will impose more regulation on businesses, he will give subsidies to the grain industry, because, you know, he will do everything to achieve the Paris Accord targets. We won't, we will withdraw from that like President Trump. So, yes, we need to have that big, you know, and bold reforms at the federal level to be sure to have a smarter government being able to lower taxes and be giving more money in pockets of families.

• 49:14Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you, because when I watch how he manages the relationship with President Trump, and you see President Trump saying what he's saying about, you know, Mark Carney, and how are you able to manage, working with the president, when the president is saying Canada 51st state? Are you at all even open to the idea of Canada 51st state? Or that's just, you know, he's just toying with you, that's kind of how you view it? But what is your approach on, let's just say you end up becoming a prime minister? What is your approach going to be on dealing with President Trump?

• 49:47Speaker 03

  I'm not open to the 51st state, you know, I'm doing like Trump in Canada. I'm fighting for Canadians and for the sovereignty of our country. I'm putting my people first. So, the way to deal with President Trump, it's, you know, you need to, right now, we have a free trade agreement between us, the US and Mexico. And that, that will have to be reopened in 2026. We need to reopen that free trade agreement right now, and we need to put everything on the table. For example, President Trump is the one who negotiated the free trade agreement when he was president at his first term, and he wanted to, for your dairy producers, to be able for them to export their milk in Canada,

• 50:30Speaker 03

  but because we have a cartel, a system called the supply management, you know, our dairy, poultry and eggs producers are producing only for the Canadian market, they cannot export, and they are fixing the price. They call that supply management, it's a legal cartel. So, and Trump was not so happy at the last negotiation, because, you know, we said, no, we want, you know, we have to protect the cartel, and we won't open our borders to your milk, cheese and eggs. So, we need to put that on the table, but Poliev and Trudeau... They want to protect the cartel, they are very influential. Actually, you know, they did, uh, they did buy membership cards of the Conservative Party of Canada

• 51:12Speaker 03

  when I was running to be the leader to be sure that I won't win. Because I, I said at that time, ten years ago, we need to abolish that cartel. And it would be good for Canadian consumers because we are paying twice the price if we compare that price with prices in US for milk, potpourri and eggs because of that cartel. So let's put that on the table and the only one who's saying that. We will be able to have a good deal. And Trump said, you know, if you're imposing tariff, I will impose tariff. If you withdraw your tariff, I will do the same. I believe in free trade, let's do a real free trade. But right now, there's three hundred percent tariffs on the milk. And you cannot export your milk in Canada because you won't be competitive with that tariff of three hundred percent.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  But it's not only with milk, it's a lot of other products. We don't have a free trade between Canada and US, we have a managed trade. We need, Trump wants to have, you know, a, a fair relationship. Let's abolish all these tariffs, it will be good for us and good for you. So first, put everything on the table. Be sure to reinvest to protect our borders. Be sure to reinvest also in our own defense. We are not doing that. We need to at least spend two percent of our GDP in our defense. We're not doing that, it's maybe one point two percent or something like that. We need also to have a new, uh, defense relationship with the US.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  And you know, uh, Trump is a little bit concerned about the north, our, our border in the north with Russia. So, uh, and the Arctic. We need to be sure, we don't have a base over there as Canadians. So we need to reinvest there, we need to protect and have a, a new agreement, defense agreement with you guys. So we can do that. If we do that, I'm pretty sure that we'll have a good deal. When Trump is speaking about, you know, Governor Trudeau or fifty first state. Is for me, you know, it won't happen, it's not serious. But what I understand also, he wants to bring back manufacturing industry in the US. Including, you know, businesses from Canada. So what we have to do as a country, we need to have, you know,

• 53:20Speaker 03

  economic policies that would be more competitive. So our, you know, income tax on businesses too high. So let's let the free market decide. But I want to compete with the US and I want our businesses to be able to compete with you guys. But now they are not able. That's why there's tariff. So we need to lower tax on business, cut capital gains tax, less regulation. And like that, that's the only way to build our country and to be competitive.

• 53:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So with regards to him getting closer to Carney, when he's talking about coming to tariffs. What are Canadians saying that Mark did to get Trump to feel more comfortable doing a deal with him than with Pierre? Why is he feeling more comfortable with Mark instead of Poliev?

• 54:11Speaker 03

  I think because first, you know, Poliev is speaking about, you know, a bigger trade war with the US. Poliev is the first one who said, you know, we must impose dollar for dollar tariffs. And now Carney is going away from that. We, Carney and the Liberal did impose 25% tariffs on us, on Canadians. Don't forget the 25% tariffs that Trump is imposing right now. It's on American businesses and American consumers. They're the one who will pay for that. Our products would be less competitive. But at the end, that's the American consumers who are paying for that. So what we did countered tariffs 25%. And that was a bad idea.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  I was the only leader to say, you must not impose that. We cannot win a trade war with the US. And you know, that would be our consumers, Canadian businesses and Canadians. Consumers who will pay for that. It's another tax on Canadians. So Carney did impose that with the Liberals. But Carney said recently, he said, you know, I won't go dollar for dollar because, he said what I'm saying right now, you know, and what I said before. We cannot compete against the US in a trade war. But Poliev is more, you know, is more against Trudeau, sorry, not Trudeau, but Trump. And he wants to go ahead and impose more tariffs. So maybe that's why also Trump doesn't like him.

• 55:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And isn't Mark's background, like, was he with the Bank of Lon... Who was he with? He had a financial background, right? Goldman, okay, there's Goldman Sachs, Bank of Canada. So he knows how to make deals. So maybe Trump feels more comfortable talking to a business guy than a guy that's a career politician like Pierre.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, you have a point there.

• 55:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. That's interesting. So...

• 56:01Speaker 03

  But also, Carney is the globalist in chief. Carney was the special envoy for the UN on climate action and finance. So Carney is a big believer in climate change. So that, and he's a big globalist also. We must admit that. But yes, he was in the private sector. He's a business guy. So maybe Trump think that he will be able to have a better deal with a guy that knows business.

• 56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Does Pierre have a history of being able to make deals and be a diplomat? And negotiate with others and sit this, get people from across the aisle to want to talk to him and get deals done or no?

• 56:42Speaker 03

  No.

• 56:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What is, what is his biggest accomplishment? What's Pierre's biggest accomplishment?

• 56:46Speaker 03

  He was a junior, can you put that on Pierre Poliev? And you see, he was a junior minister in the upper government. I was industry minister, foreign affairs minister. I was dealing with Condoleezza Rice at that time. And Poliev was a junior minister, you know, look at it.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Canadian.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  He was minister for.

• 57:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you see it, Robert? No.

• 57:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Junior minister under Steve Harper.

• 57:18Speaker 03

  Okay. Minister for Democratic Reform, Emprem, you know, he had little and junior portfolio. So he was not foreign affairs, he was an industry minister, big portfolio. He was a finance minister.

• 57:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I'm just trying to find out what is his biggest accomplishment? Why is he lov- why is he loved by his party, respected the way he is?

• 57:45Speaker 03

  Because when he did campaign for the leadership of the Conservative Party, he was speaking like a real conservative. And did, and he was very popular, you know, on social media. He was, he's very good to do little videos and, you know, so he was very popular there. And they thought that Poliev is a real conservative and now they're very disappointed. So.

• 58:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Yeah, I just typed it up. It says, becoming a leader of the Conservative Party, 2022, 68%, opposition to carbon tax, advocating for economy and housing reform, is ax the tax and build more homes.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, but ax the tax, it's funny because the Liberals and Carney said, okay, we will ax the tax. Poliev did ask for a, an election based on the carbon tax, ax the tax. He wanted that the main subject during the campaign must be ax the carbon tax. But now Carney said, he did it. Carney said, you know, the, the carbon tax won't exist for Canadian consumers. And I'm saying, you know, no more taxes, no more regulation. We must withdraw from the Paris Accord, I'm the only one. But the election must be on immigration, like you just show us, you know, everything that this country will be destroyed by mass immigration. And that must be the subject of the campaign.

• 59:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So you know when President Trump talks about 51st state, making Canada the 51st state? I, I sit there at first, I'm like, is he trolling? Is he serious? Is he playing? Is he trying to get under your skin? Is he trying to make you upset? Let's just say he is, right? And then I sit there and I, you know, don't put the tariffs, it's not fair to this, it's not fair to that. And you go to military expenditure, you said it earlier a minute ago. Canada's military expenditure is 1.2, 1.3%, nothing, right?

• 59:28Speaker 03

  And, and we have a woke, that's a woke Canadian forces. You know, they're promoting because of the color of your skin and your sexual orientation. The leadership of the Canadian forces is woke right now.

• 59:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is the leader at the top that's woke?

• 59:42Speaker 03

  But it's a lady, that was a lady a couple of years ago. I don't know who is it, but they're woke, you know, they're promoting woke-ism in that organization. Uh, the lady before. But now it's a guy, but.

• 59:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Janine Carrigan, Carrigan, is that one?

• 59:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, and she's still there. I think she.

• 1:00:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this the one, Jenny?

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Jenny, so she was a.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  She's a current chief of defense and a Canadian, she was appointed, yeah. The first woman there. She's there because she's a lady. That's it, you know?

• 1:00:15Patrick Bet-David?

  She's there because she's a lady.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  For sure, you know?

• 1:00:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And so, so, but what do you do? So.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  You reform the leadership of the Canadian forces first and you reinvest in, in our defense.

• 1:00:25Patrick Bet-David?

  How, how weak is your military?

• 1:00:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't have, I mean, Canada's not known for military, right?

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  You know, I was foreign affairs minister when we had that war in Afghanistan. And, you know, I traveled in Europe to ask my counterparts, order foreign affairs minister, please, please, help us in Afghanistan. We don't have any resources. We need more, you know, planes, we need help in Afghanistan. And so we were, you know, asking for help in Europe and other countries to be sure to be at least efficient in Afghanistan. So, no, we don't have, we're a very weak, uh, Canadian, Canadian forces.

• 1:01:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You're ranked as twenty-eight. You're behind countries like Algeria, Thailand, Singapore. Greece is right next to you, uh, meaning they're ranked thirty-eighth. Singapore's twenty-nine.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  We cannot defend ourselves. We can't, yeah.

• 1:01:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So can I say, so if I'm, if, when I hear that, you know what it makes me think about? It upsets me because it makes me think about that Canada, just because they're neighbors with America and America is so strong in military, they don't need to invest into the military. So guess what? No one's gonna attack us because America's our neighbor. They're not gonna mess with us. So that causes me, if I'm Trump, to say, yeah, that's why you're gonna become the fifty-first state. Or I'm gonna put tariffs on you. So I'm actually really curious to know how the negotiation's gonna go with Trump. The next three, six, twelve months, because if everything you guys produce, if we can make in America and bring those jobs back, and he puts his foot down and Mark, Pierre, somebody fumbles, this could be catastrophic for Canadians. Absolutely catastrophic for Canadians.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  But that's why I'm saying we are the last hope for this country. We have the right economic policies. You know, I think I know what we can do to have a good deal with Trump. But he's right about that. We are taking for granted our defense. We are saying, oh, the US is there. Let's not, and, and you know, we need to be serious about that. And I said that, I don't know how many times, but it is time to be serious. And that's why we need to cut all these programs. You know, we are giving money in other countries to promote woke ideology, the trans ideology. We are, we are spending money and money that, first of all, we don't have with our deficit. So let's be serious. And you know, I'm honest, I'm telling Canadians, yes, we have to cut the budget.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  We will be able to do that. It can be, you know, difficult, but let's do it if we want to go ahead and have prosperity in Canada.

• 1:02:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, I, I just had a conversation with Ron Paul, like right before you. Ron Paul and I did a one hour podcast together.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Oh, that's great. I, I had the privilege to have a dinner with Ron Paul when I was in parliament. He came in Ottawa, you know, great guy.

• 1:03:11Patrick Bet-David?

  He's phenomenal, yeah. And you know, when, when you ask him, what is it to be a libertarian? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You ask, you know, what is it to be an American? I'm proud to be an American, or at least I know I'm free, right? And then you kind of, you can sell America, right? What does it mean to be a Canadian?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  We are not American.

• 1:03:31Patrick Bet-David?

  What does that mean though? But, but not not, what are you guys? What is Canadian?

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  That's what maybe Canadians, you know, we are not American, we are Canadians. So, okay, if we are not American. We are, you know, more for social programs. You know, we care a bit more about people. We have socialist policies in Canada. So we have, you know, the way that the federal government or politicians are, you know, speaking about Canadian identity, they're speaking about the legislation. It's, oh, we have, you know, our healthcare system is good. You know, it's not like the US. It's not a private healthcare system, you know. Everybody, you know, has a protection, but it's not going well. Here you have, you know, privatization at least 100% in Canada. It's socialism there.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  So they are describing us based on social program. The reality is, we are different because this country, Canada, is different. We have different culture. You know, the culture in Quebec, in my own province, is very different than the culture in Alberta. The culture in Alberta is very different than the culture in P I. That's the country that we are the only country like that.

• 1:04:40Patrick Bet-David?

  But what is it to be a Canadian? I still don't know what it is to be a Canadian. What is it to be a Canadian?

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  What it is to be a Canadian, we, like you, you know, we believe in freedom. We believe in less government and more autonomy. We believe that if you're a Canadians, you have the opportunity to grow and to do what you want in life. And now it's not the case anymore. We have the big fat government that is taxing us and regulating us all the time. So to be a Canadian is to be a free man, that we can do what we want. But right now, it's not the case anymore. And with mass immigration, you know, you know, we need to know our history. And the majority of Canadians don't know the history of our country. You know, are these new immigrants? They are telling me that, you know, I'm immigrants also. No.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  My roots are, you know, coming from at least 300 years. You know, I'm a settler, you know. We came in, coming from France and in Quebec, and same thing for people coming from Europe, in Canada. We need to speak about our country. We are not, but we have different cultures. And that's, you know, the Francophone part of Canada is the only place in North America that you have a Francophone government, a majority of Francophone, try to speak French and be prosperous. So.

• 1:05:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's your hero? Who are Canadians heroes? If you give me three heroes, like when I was in Brazil, and I'm talking to Jair Bolsonaro, you would hear Senna, you would hear Pele, you would hear Jair Bolsonaro, and you would hear different names, right? Who are, of course, you may say Gretzky, but who are some heroes in Canada? Top three.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Laurier, Wilfred Laurier, in the beginning of our confederation, was the prime minister from Quebec. And, you know, he was for free trades, and he was very for a smaller government. He was a Liberal, but a classical Liberal. And also, you know, if you speak about sport, you know, Maurice Richard was a big, you know, Canadian, French Canadian, hockey players with the Montreal Canadiens. If you speak about music, Céline Dion, she's very well-known. And, you know, personally, I'm not a fan of her music, but, you know, I'm proud that she's successful around the globe. Yeah, but...

• 1:07:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Leonard Cohen is Canadian? Leonard Cohen is Canadian?

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. No, we have, we have, we have, we have a great, you know, Francophone-Anglophone culture, but actually, we have a very bad government.

• 1:07:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and so, so, you know, a part of that with the culture, the stronger the culture is, the more pride there is to protect it. The weaker the culture is, the more it allows President Trump to come in and say, "Hey, if you guys are not that proud to be Canadians, why don't you become American?" I can see how he's doing that now. But let me ask you this question, because, you know, a lot of times you'll hear, "Well, we're independent from UK. We're independent from UK. We're independent from UK. We're independent, we're independent." I'm sorry, from France. We're independent. Right, with those guys. But then, your carny just went and sat down with the king. Right? Didn't that just happen, I think, sometime? It was, did that just happen? A week ago, right?

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  It was in Europe. It was in UK.

• 1:07:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is it that, you know, even though it's like, "No, we are our own, but let us go and meet with King Charles after Trump threats." It was kind of like, "Hey, King Charles, can you protect us from Trump? Because Trump is doing this." "Yeah, we're not, we're not part of a UK, and, but hey, we kind of need, because he's trying to bully us." Why is that? It's like, because the impression to me is like you're running to daddy to protect from a bully. Is that the wrong impression or the right impression?

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  No, I think he went there, you know, to try to have, you know, our economy is seventy-five percent dependent on you guys. We are exporting, as you know, you have a trade deficit with us. The majority of the trade deficit is coming because of oil and gas first. If you don't, if you don't put that in the equation, you won't have a trade deficit with us. So it's coming because of oil and gas. So what he, I believe what he tried to do is to be sure to be able to have maybe a free trade agreement with Europe or and or with UK. Actually, we tried to have a free trade agreement with UK a year ago. That free trade agreement didn't work because of what? The cartel.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  The Canadian government said we have to protect the cartel and the, you know, the UK said we want to export the Stilton in Canada. Because of cheese, we were not able to have a free trade agreement. And now they're saying, oh, you know, now we need to look at, you know, having more, you know, opportunities for our businesses. And let's go and try to sign free trade agreements with Europe and other countries and UK.

• 1:09:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, when I see that, how how does Canada look at Canadians? How does Canada Canadians look at UK and France? Is it friendly? What's the relationship there?

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  It's a friendly one, actually, yes. But, you know, the reality is we are in North America. We need to have good relationship with you guys.

• 1:09:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I fully agree.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  That's the basic. You know, we cannot go pro, we cannot be, and with the multipolar world right now, with China, Russia, BRICS countries. So we we are with you guys and we need to just have a good deal with you that will be good for you and for us. Yes, we can try to have other free trades agreement and, you know, being less dependent on your market. But in fact, you know, it's easier now for business people to export to the US than to trade across the country. So we need to fix that, like I said, but let's have a deal and put everything on the table and have a real free trade. And Trump said, you know, You put tariff, I'll put tariff. You withdraw from tariff, I will do the same. So, let's do it.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  Let's be serious. There's a lot of tariffs that we are imposing to you guys. Let's put that on the table.

• 1:10:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Is Carney putting that on the table right now?

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  No, Carney and Poliev are not putting the cartel on the table. And you know, Trump did win all the swing states, including Wisconsin. Your dairy producers are in Wisconsin, sorry. They want to export to Canada. And Trump is listening to them. And we said to Trump at the first free trade agreement that we signed together, "No, no, no." But now he's coming back and he's serious about that. But for our establishment politicians, "Oh no, Trump is tweeting about that." But that is serious. If we want to have a deal, we need to put that on the table. If not, we won't have a deal.

• 1:11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Justin Trudeau, right? I mean, we haven't even talked about him yet. Justin Trudeau, have you had any interactions with him? Have you... What is... How different is he behind closed doors than he is when the camera is on? Or is it the same person?

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  You know, I had a dinner with him maybe two times when I was in parliament. I was in government, he was in the opposition. And at that time, you know, we had a dinner and he said, you know, "Maxine, a day you're gonna be the leader of the Conservative Party." "One day, sorry." "And one day I'll be the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada." So, and that was maybe in 2009, 2010. And this guy, you know, is funny.

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  He's a good communicator, a good actor. You know, he can cry on demand. I cannot do that, but he can.

• 1:12:29Patrick Bet-David?

  He just did that a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he can. But, you know, there's nothing there. He's empty. Uh, you know, you'll have a beer with him, he will chat and about, you know, culture and sport and things like that. But, you know, does this guy, you know, what he, what he did for the country, he did destroy our country in nine years. And we, we, so it's you, immigration, the economy, the growth of our GDP is going down and GDP per capita, like I said. So personally, you know, uh, you know, we had a nice dinner, chit chat, but, uh, no, the guy is a little bit also full of himself. And he's that publicly, privately also.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  You think that, you know, he's running on the name of his dad. You know, his dad was very well known. And I said it, you know, this guy was elected the leader of the Liberal Party because of his name Trudeau and his dad. And also his look, you know, he was young and, uh, but now people realize and, and that's why I believe that the Liberal, it would be very tough for them with Carney to be elected because of that, uh, uh, record from, from.

• 1:13:42Patrick Bet-David?

  What was his father known for?

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  Uh, his father was known for, uh, starting the multiculturalism in Canada. He's the one who, and he did that to try to, uh, you know, we, uh, when his father was in power, we had a separatist movement in Canada. You had, uh, René Levesque at that time. And, and we had a referendum on the independence of Quebec. And the way to fight that was with multiculturalism. So Trudeau said, there's no two, uh, you know, two, uh, founding a nation, Quebec Anglophone and Francophone. And he tried and, and that was the beginning of multiculturalism. And Trudeau put that at the extreme. So he was well known also to fight the separatists, uh, in Quebec.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Uh, he was well known also to fight, uh, um, Western Canadians and being against the oil and gas industry at that time also. So Trudeau was a real socialist, actually, yeah.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  Trudeau father, Trudeau father, yeah.

• 1:14:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I'm looking at it right there. Liberalized divorce, abortion, homosexuality in 1967 as minister.

• 1:14:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so now with the current state of things, I looked at the numbers. I called a couple of different guys and one of the fellows I talked to, he, let me see here, okay. He asked to stay anonymous, but you know who he is. I asked him, I said, so what's the difference between Pierre and Max? I'm curious to know what he's gonna be saying.

• 1:15:19Patrick Bet-David?

  If I say who this person is, he was involved in politics. No, what I'm saying is you know who it is. He says, um, short answer, Pierre will be prime minister. Max probably won't even win his own seat. But more fundamentally, Max is a true libertarian and has always been. Pierre is a true blue conservative. Do you agree with him? On the, on the politics at the end, the libertarian and the true blue conservative.

• 1:15:43Speaker 03

  Well, Pierre, you know, is a red, is a red Tory. He's not a blue conservative. Look at his policy, he's a red Tory, like a liberal. You know, I said climate change, I said immigration, I said, you know, the war in Ukraine, also Poliev is for the war in Ukraine. Right now, he said, you know, Canada must help Ukraine. And Trump is trying, is trying to have a peace deal over there. So we are the only one who said that. About, you know, yeah, I'm saying that Trudeau won't win. But you know, we, we are a, a, a small political party right now in Canada. But our growth is going very well. And maybe I won't be prime minister at this election, but I may be prime minister at the next one in 2029. Because we're doing politics on the long term

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  and our ideas are becoming more and more popular. But you know, I'm a, yeah, on economy, I can be a libertarian for sure. But I'm a, I'm a real conservative, family values, faith, less regulation, more freedom. I'm the only one who did fight for freedom of choice during the COVID hysteria in Canada. You know, we had lockdowns, stay at home orders, vaccine passport. Poliev was okay with it. With that, you know, if you're a real conservative, you must fight that, you must fight for individual freedom. Poliev was not fighting for individual freedom. I was. So, uh, you know, these, uh, look, uh, we all like a little bit the Reform Party in UK with Nigel Farage.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  Uh, Nigel, you know, at the last election, he had only fifteen percent of the vote. He was able to elect six MP, six candidates. And now, after a year after that election, Nigel is ahead in the polls with the Reform Party. And the Reform Party, it's about the same platform of our political party, the People's Party. So what I'm telling you, you know, the growth can come, but because of our parliamentary system, it's a little bit more difficult for us. There's no proportionality in our electoral system. It's not like in France or other country where you have proportionality in your electoral system. We don't. It's a parliamentary system. So it's more difficult to have seat, but we will.

• 1:17:50Patrick Bet-David?

  It's interesting because when I asked the polls, how big is the People's Party of Canada? Roughly four point nine percent is what I see. Five percent is what I see.

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  Five percent. That's the score that we had at the last election.

• 1:18:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:18:02Speaker 03

  So my goal for this election is to double that.

• 1:18:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  So if we double that to ten, you know, we may have a couple of candidates elected. But our goal is to push, you know, the government that would be elected in the right direction, to promote our ideas, to change the, the public opinion. And, you know, we were successful on immigration. Now, you know, our challenge is the mainstream media is not speaking about us. They know that if we have more visibility, we will grow faster. And like I said in the beginning, they're leftists. They don't want to. That's why, you know, I'm doing podcasts and I want to thank you for it.

• 1:18:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I love that. I respect that a lot. But I'm going somewhere with this. If you can show the poll I ran. I ran a poll, this is March seventh, say ten days ago, thirteen days ago.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's a better candidate for Prime Minister Canada? You had thirty-four percent, he had fifty-one.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And if you go a little lower in the comments section, Rob, just to kind of see. Needs to, a party of choice, okay. How are you not seen up here as just another globalist uniparty? Who deserves to slither away and never be heard from again? I don't know who this person is, Rachel, Caroline, I'm just trying to see how the audience responds. The PPTC Max needs to be the party of our choice. To remotely start to heal from the years of government abuse. Maxime Bernier, no contest. I mean, if you go through the comments section. You have a lot of people that want you to, you know, be up there.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and get the attention, you have a big support from the audience with Canada. What do you think needs to happen? And by the way, in Canada, is it? Is it similar to Brazil where Pierre? If it gets to it to win, he's gonna need you to beat Carney or no? Is that how it works? Where you gotta kind of get in there to help him out or no?

• 1:19:44Speaker 03

  No, you know, if like Trudeau, Trudeau didn't have a majority government. He had a majority in twenty fifteen, but now that's a minority government. So they had a coalition with the NDP. And so if Poliev doesn't have a majority, he will need to do a coalition. So we can have a couple of MPs there and, and be, and, and, and doing that deal with Poliev for sure. But we won't merge with the Conservative Party because the Conservative, Conservative Party is not conservative anymore. So that's the big problem. Look at every issues, they are not. They are afraid to speak about conservative values. You know, everything that Trump did, you know, working against the woke ideology, there's only two sexes.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  Poliev won't say that.

• 1:20:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He won't say that?

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  He said, I must admit, he said that there's two genders. But after that, the journalist did ask, you know, if you apply for your Canadian passport, Mr. Poliev. You have male, female, and X. Are you, you're gonna have only male and female for the application? And he doesn't want, he didn't want to answer that question. So he said, no, the, the population is the economy is stupid. I want, so for him, you know, wokeism and the trans ideology, it's not important. For me, it's important. It's unfair and DI, you know, diversity, equity and inclusion. We need to change that. We need to have, you know, unity or, you know, promoting, you know, meritocracy and not inclusion. But Poliev won't go there.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  Poliev is not doing the cultural war. That's why people are mad at it. Trump is doing that in the US, I'm doing that in Canada.

• 1:21:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's such a, if that's the case, that's such a lame and weak position. I mean, look at this here from January, Polly Market. Look what Pierre was. Okay, go, go to January, Rob, if you could. Can you zoom it all the way back? No, no, the way, where you were right there, zoom in a little bit. Pierre, according to Polly Market, was at 90%. Carney was at 12%?

• 1:21:43Speaker 03

  That, that was at that time Trudeau. Okay, but Carney.

• 1:21:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, Trudeau's there as well, 3.6% to win. Rob, is that what you're running? And then now, if you come to today, Polly Market says what? He went from 91 to 41. Is this really true that he's dropped 50 points of popularity?

• 1:21:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, right now in the poll, Carney, um, have an evident advantage.

• 1:22:03Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened for him to drop 50 points?

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  Because his branding was to be against Trudeau. And, you know, and he didn't, he didn't put out their policies. And that's Harper. Harper told him, you know, you are the leader of the opposition. Your role is to oppose everything that Trudeau is doing. Don't go out there with policies first, because if they're good, the Liberal will steal it and, and run on your policies. And second, you know, if they're not good, they will destroy you. So don't run on any policies, just be against. So now, the problem is Trudeau is not there anymore. So you have a new leader. And so his branding is against Trudeau. And now you have Trump.

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  And now, now, you know, people want, want to have somebody that will fight Trump. And, and he's not that guy. He doesn't have, you know, any private sector experience.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  And also, don't forget the media also. The mainstream media did promote Poliev. I told you, they're, they're, not Poliev, sorry, Carney. They did promote him.

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but that's Pierre's fault for not wanting to go and talk to other people. He just, you know.

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  He cannot right now because it's empty slogan. He cannot, he doesn't have any, any platform, so he cannot have a discussion.

• 1:23:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I hope he does.

• 1:23:23Speaker 03

  He will have a platform during the campaign, but it's a little bit late. And you know, it's all about, you know.

• 1:23:31Speaker 03

  He believes that if you want to win an election, you need to have good coverage from the mainstream media. And said, forget, forget the mainstream media. So when he's doing a press conference, it's all about, you know, he's speaking like, you know, by slogan and with no details because he doesn't want to give details. Poliev doesn't know what he believes in right now. He will know when, just before the election, when he will do poll and focus group. So that's why I said he's a follower, he's following the public opinion. That has been manipulated by the leftist media. He's not leading. And now you can show that, that's why it's happening. People wants a leader with ideas and Poliev is not out there.

• 1:24:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, is this updated as of today, March 20th?

• 1:24:17Speaker 10

  Yep, it says up in the top corner, March 20th.

• 1:24:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is polymarket, polymarket.

• 1:24:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:22Patrick Bet-David?

  That, that is embarrassing. Can you go to another, go to Vegas odds? Can you just go to Vegas odds to see what Vegas odds are saying about Prime Minister in Canada? Canadian Prime, yeah. What's Vegas odds saying, 2025? Uh, are they doing anything or no?

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  They did, I think.

• 1:24:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Vegas odds, oh man, that is, that is just absolutely embarrassing. Next prime, okay, there's one here, yeah, polymarket, that's the one. So, yeah, I mean, you're. No, you're on the one. That was the one, Rob. That Sauce just sent. Wow, that's-

• 1:24:58Speaker 03

  You can go also. Three hundred and thirty-eight, Canada.

• 1:25:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Three thirty-eight, Canada?

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  Three hundred and thirty-eight?

• 1:25:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm on it right now, yeah.

• 1:25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, so they're gonna tell you by, okay, by seats. So which one will have more seats? And right now, they're saying the Liberals will have more seats than the Conservatives?

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, so-

• 1:26:07Patrick Bet-David?

  One seventy-eight, one thirty.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, and to have a majority, you need one hundred and sixty-two seats.

• 1:26:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So right now, he's behind by thirty-two.

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, so, you know, the Liberal are very popular in Quebec. They have a lot of seats there in Ontario. And Poliev is popular out west.

• 1:26:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so I have a CEO of a major insurance company in Canada. And here's what he sent me to ask. His question was, will you commit resources to lifting interprovincial trade barriers?

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  Yes, I said that ten years ago. Absolutely, and you know what? The federal government can do that. You know, it's in our constitution. That is under the responsibility and the jurisdiction of the federal government. You know, we need to have real internal trade and free trade across the country. And yes, you can do that. You use the constitution to be sure to have that after one hundred and more than one hundred and fifty years, we still don't have an economic union in Canada. But the good news is, the government of Nova Scotia, two weeks ago, they said, okay,

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  we will have a new legislation, no more trade barriers in our province, and that's an incentive for other provinces to do that also. You know, we are welcoming goods coming from other provinces, and they were the first one to do that. So I hope that other provinces will follow. If not, the federal government can push that and use the power that we have in the constitution to do it.

• 1:27:54Patrick Bet-David?

  That's very important when you're, because to us, it may not be a big deal in America. We don't know what that means, right? But over there, it's kind of like being in EU, and you know, you're trying to do business, and it's a little bit complicated.

• 1:28:04Speaker 03

  It's easier for a business in New Brunswick to sell goods in Maine than it is to sell that in Quebec. So we need to abolish all that.

• 1:28:14Patrick Bet-David?

  That's crazy, yeah.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  That's the reality.

• 1:28:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, Max, I'm gonna give you final thoughts. This has been a pleasure talking to you. I appreciate you for coming out. I love your energy for the audience that's watching this. He lands last night, and this morning, you ran 12K?

• 1:28:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, 12.

• 1:28:28Patrick Bet-David?

  12K this morning, prior to coming to the meeting. And we had a great conversation about Doug Flutie, because you used to play football back in the days. Doug Flutie was a Canadian. He went from Boston College to play quarterback. Final thoughts to Americans and Canadians that may be listening to this.

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm telling to Americans, we won't be the 51st state. Just understand that. We love you. We love you and we can have a better relationship. And I understand Trump and I'm ready to work with your president to be sure that, you know, we will do what is right to protect your own security by protecting our own security in Canada.

• 1:29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Respect. Maxine, this has been a pleasure having you on. Thank you so much for coming out. It's been fantastic.

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  That was fun.

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