NVIDIA’s CEO China Spy Scandal & Liberal Hosts Mock Charlie Kirk’s Death | PBD Podcast #887

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team unpack the report alleging Jensen Huang had a relationship with a suspected Chinese spy, Trump replacing Susie Wiles with Stephen Miller after the GOP’s midterm collapse, and liberal podcasters laughing at a Charlie Kirk death joke. National security, White House upheaval, and the outrage that followed. ------ 👞 Get the NEW Billionaire Suede Loafer: https://bit.ly/4ym5oRA 👕 SHOP THE ICON COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3TuUU3x 👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd ------ SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @BetDavidConsulting @vtgenz @ValuetainmentComedy ------ ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:13Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  You are a one of one? My son's right there.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:26Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, look, just some words of wisdom, whatever you're doing this week. You know, do your best, whatever you're doing this week on words of wisdom for you guys as you're going through a life. Try to avoid Chinese spies getting hold of you. Like, I'm just telling you. You know, maybe, maybe if you're like the top 10 most important person in America that does business with China, maybe we should provide a little bit more protection than the $10.7 million that Nvidia spends on security on Jensen Huang. To say, why do you keep having dinner with this girl named Alice Wong? Similar last name, no big deal, but why are you guys always together? Aren't you married 40 years? Why are you doing this? And by the way, you know, Tiger Woods, if you ever watch a documentary,

• 1:12Patrick Bet-David?

  there's a story about this one girl who was a bartender. She says, I don't know why Tiger liked me. He used to always come to me and he would say after I have dinner, we'd go in his car. You know this story?

• 1:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:22Patrick Bet-David?

  With Tiger, he talks about it in the documentary. All right, Jensen, maybe a bartender, maybe a waitress, a Chinese spy buddy. So when it's a Chinese spy, guess what investors say? You know what's the big question? Here's the big question is, one, man has a tendency of falling. Two, the enemy has a way of doing the same exact way of getting you to fall, which is get a spy to get in there, get information, get that information and flatter you and tell you how amazing you are. And oh my God, you're so smart. You're so beautiful, Tom. You're so sexy.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Oh, Tommy.

• 1:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, this is such a, you're such a, if only I was with you.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  They say I'm smart. They never say the beautiful sexy thing.

• 1:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I would do anything for you in the morning and I don't know, man. I just, I have no idea what happened there. You know what happens if they get a divorce? It's a $200 billion divorce, the biggest divorce of the history of mankind.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  She won the lottery.

• 2:09Patrick Bet-David?

  She gets $100 billion and you may want to slide into her DM. I'm trying to tell you like, that may be, that may be something for you. Vinny overnight is worth $50 billion, walks around like one of the greatest business minds in the world. That's going to be one of the stories we're going to talk about today. I think it's fair to say we have to do that, okay? Number two, the other story we have to talk about is Trump's 60 Minutes. I didn't just watch the 25 minute interview. Actually, I watched the entire 57 minutes or whatever it is to have it on CBS. Cause you know, after the lawsuit, he's like, hey, don't cut it. Put the whole thing, let people see it. I really liked the guy that did the interview. Ross, is it Dutat or Do That? Whatever the guy's name is, he did a phenomenal job. I thought it was a fair interview. He pushed back and Trump was a different Trump. And there's five things we got to cover from the interview on 60 Minutes. Jennifer Welch from the podcast called I've Had It.

• 2:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And after her podcast of laughing at Charlie, you know who's had it? The sponsors have had it. Okay. And they said, we're done. Do you know out of 22 sponsors that they had generating $2.5 million a year? That's real money for some people. $2.5 million a year income that they're making. Guess what? 19 out of 25 canceled. And you know what Vinny did? Vinny emailed everybody and Vinny got an email back. I'll let him show you what the email was. And he says, hey, why are you taking a sponsor like this? At the same time, Jason, uh, uh, is, is it Calacan? I went, I have a hard time with his last name, Tom, from all in podcast.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Calcanis.

• 3:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Calcanis. He got upset of what Scott Galloway said. And he says, what the hell are you doing? Right? He told the story that before he sold his Tesla, I'm even uncomfortable telling you what he said. Okay. He said, I went and took a poop in the Tesla, cleaned it, then sold it just to show my distaste for Elon. I don't know who thinks like that. You're a reasonable guy. Why would you say something like that? You have a shot at being one of those unifiers to bring common sense. And I've had him on the podcast, disappointing comment to make. Dave Chappelle, video goes viral showing a clip of him talking about Charlie Kirk getting killed. And then he says, I don't know why, but I feel good about it.

• 4:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And then it was like, well, what's wrong with that? Charlie said this, that person said this, that's not even a joke. I don't like it. Screw him. He lost the permanent fan. I'm out of here. He hasn't written a good joke for 10 years. We have to talk about Dave Chappelle because there's some real important things there to discuss. Next one is Susie Wiles, uh, replaced by Stephen Miller. While this happens, okay, Stephen Miller gives a speech. Vinny's got the clip to show us. While she gets replaced by Stephen Miller, a guy named Kaylee, Callie Means goes on Joe Rogan, does a podcast. This is a senior advisor to RFK. This is not a lightweight guy. He goes on Rogan and you know what he says?

• 4:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He says the amount of power Susie Wiles had and what she did and her six generals that worked with her. And how when they, her daughter got a job at this one place, revenue went up to 30 million and it was a money deal and it was swamp. And out of everybody, he said that, you know, he, he, he kind of exposed what was going on there. Now again, this is a podcast. We don't know a hundred percent facts. He's telling his version of the story. There's a couple of things that happened in the podcast, how he mentioned Trump. And number two, when Todd Blanch was asked about this, I'm going to let Tom tell you how Todd Blanch handled that situation. We'll get into that. I'm going to talk, I'm going to tell you about one person that quietly has seen the light, the opening, and he's capitalizing like there's no tomorrow.

• 5:44Patrick Bet-David?

  He officially sees the future looks bright for him. You know who that is? Ron DeSantis. And he keeps hitting everybody. Boom, first he hits Ted Cruz. Boom, he just hit Ron DeSantis. Boom, you know who he just hit recently? He just hit, uh, uh, what do you call, he hit Trump and he hit everybody in the Republican party with crony capitalism. He says, listen to all the crony capitalists on the Republican side. Boom, he hit them. All of those messages, Ron hasn't made a lot of friends the last week.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  Oh, he hasn't.

• 6:14Patrick Bet-David?

  But you know what he has made? A lot of sense.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:17Patrick Bet-David?

  In the last week. And so a lot of people are saying, is this the guy that's going to go in on the 60 Minutes? The guy asked a very good question of Trump and he said, hey, who do you think, uh, being president, you know, all this other stuff? Is it going to be JD Rubio, all these things? Would you say, I may not even endorse somebody. And a lot of people are talking about a Rubio, DeSantis ticket. I don't even think that's possible because they're both from Florida. So as much as it sounds good, I'm not even sure that's possible. There's some things to get into, get in there. And then press secretary Dana White, Trump says, hey, I'm thinking about making him the press secretary. And I swear to God, you say something, Khabib's going to come and destroy you and I'm going to have this other guy on you. And the market loses their shit that if this, this guy could pull this off or not.

• 6:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And then the infighting on the Democratic party, there's a ton of infighting on the Republican party. That's an understatement of the infighting going on right now in the Republican party. I got to make sure to give that Gen Z story of what happened to Gen Z, the numbers, how they lost it to everybody, the Axios story. Can you text me the page on that? I marked it up, but just send it to me. I have it here. And so we have to talk about that. And then Poland shooter that they're saying a far right guy in Poland went out and, you know, killed people, innocent people. And, and this, this Poland shooter apparently has a pride flag over him. What a far right guy this guy, right? He's got, he's got a LGBTQ flag all over him, protecting himself while he's going out there doing this stuff. We have to talk about that.

• 7:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And last but not least, if you're in HR, if you're a CEO, COO, a CXO, whatever C you are, if you all of a sudden notice a pattern of people asking on PTO for November 19th, and you're wondering what the hell is going on with November 19th? Yo, yo, yo, is it June, isn't that Juneteenth? Why are people taking November 19th off? Well, November 19th is a massive epidemic going on that a lot of people don't want you to know about, but I'm helping you out right now. So maybe send an email to your staff today that if you say, if you're taking November 19th off, I know why you're doing it. But if you want to be cool, let them take it off and tell them in advance if you're doing it. Hey, just tell me, be honest with me because on November 19th,

• 8:23Patrick Bet-David?

  you know what game is coming out on November 19th?

• 8:25Speaker 03

  What?

• 8:26Patrick Bet-David?

  What game is coming out on? Not Tetris, not Street Fighter, not Zelda, not Final Fantasy, not Fester's Quest.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  Mario's Super Car.

• 8:33Patrick Bet-David?

  What game do you think is coming out on November 19th? Tell us what's coming out.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Grand Theft Auto.

• 8:38Patrick Bet-David?

  On November 19th and you're going to have millions of people taking PTO that day. I don't know. I may just sit in my office and play Grand Theft Auto all day and just bring all my employees. The guy, let's compete against each other.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  We're going to get hate.

• 8:49Patrick Bet-David?

  And not have to get the PTO and all that stuff taking place. Anyways, with that being said, this is a heavy duty Monday with stories that we got to get into, uh, which we will. But before we get into that, you, you know how we feel about it. Uh, you know, it's funny, yesterday I'm at a soccer tournament in Tampa. Friday, Saturday, we had an event we host called CXO, which we bring a CEO with his executive team. It was the greatest CXO meeting we ever had. And all we talk about it, how to increase valuation of your company, how to develop a mode, how to, you know, create a compensation plan that gets people to retention to be higher calibration. Anyways, the event ends, last week was a busy event. Sunday morning I get up and I drive to Tampa. It's a four hour drive there. Then I drove back yesterday to watch a 60 minute game.

• 9:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you imagine what things parents do? I drove eight and a half hours yesterday just to go up to watch a 60 minute game on a tournament that we had. And then on the drive back, when we're coming back, this lady sees me. She says, you know what? I agree with the hat you have on. She's not a fan. She says, I also believe the future looks bright. I said, I do as well. I want to make sure everybody out there sees the message of future looks bright. You know what look I love? When people are confused and they say, you really believe the future? That's my favorite people when they say that. You really believe the future looks bright? I really believe the future looks bright and I wear it all the time. So with that being said, for some of you guys that don't get half the chocolate, future looks bright. FOB shoes, watch this video here. Go for it.

• 10:46Speaker 04

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• 11:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to FLB.com, place your order, get the shirt with it, get the shoe with it, get the loafer with it, but do it all on FLB.com. With that being said, let's get right into it. The CEO and founder of a company called Nvidia, multi-trillion dollar company. This guy took it from zero to what it is today. An estimated net worth, Vinny, of $200 billion. He's one of the biggest heavyweights. A lot of the surge you see in AI is because of this guy, the chips that he built. He's involved in pretty much everything. He's known for that black leather jacket that he wears going everywhere. And apparently that black leather jacket worked, not just with his wife, but with a Chinese spy that came in named Alice Huang, who was working with another company, going out there doing business deals.

• 11:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And all of a sudden you see pictures of them having glasses of wine together, all this stuff. And then the affair becomes public and then he admits to it. And once he admits to it, he apologizes for being unfaithful to his wife, his family, his kids, his employees, everybody that he's working with. And so now everybody starts talking about, wait a minute, how long has this been known? Have they known this for a while? Allegedly the DOJ knew about this a year ago. Allegedly this was reported to them that this relationship, this affair is taking place. Now, keep this in mind, this is one of the hottest stocks that people have been putting money into that they've made a lot of money. I think we said five years ago, if you would have put a million dollars into Nvidia, it would have been a one and a half billion dollar rate of return for you.

• 12:37Patrick Bet-David?

  One and a half billion dollars from a million dollars. I believe that was the number that we talked about. Yep. Okay. So you're not just talking about how many people's lives changed. So now you're conflicted as an investor. Do you want him to step down as the CEO? Do you want to bring somebody else? And they're saying maybe Ives is going to take place. Then they want to know this relationship, this girl Alice, was she married? Was she in a relationship? His wife, whom they've been together for 40 years. I think they got two kids, they're both working at Nvidia and they met at, I think Oregon State. They've given a lot of money to Oregon State. She runs the charity. There is no prenup. This will be the biggest divorce in the history of America if it ends up taking place. $200 billion overnight, she becomes a top 20, top 15 richest woman in the world with a lot of power. And so it was all over the news.

• 13:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody is saying, what happened? And if China can target a CEO and a founder like him, what other places are they getting targeting for? So Tom, when you saw this story, one, were you surprised? Two, what was your reaction when he said, you know, when he came out and he admitted that this took place?

• 13:39Tom Ellsworth?

  So first of all, you know, all of a sudden Jensen Wang is playing grand theft country. And with it being the unwitting, he's being the unwitting player, right? In the game. So the first thing I thought about it was, wait a minute. I didn't go to another guy slipped and fell or anything like that. I didn't because China's had spies out there, they still have spies out there, they, you know, the honeypot is an easy trap. And there, that happens so much, number one. Number two, there's so much, you know, dalliance that goes on with executives, with girlfriends and mistresses, that doesn't surprise me. When I looked into deeper and I'm like, wait a minute.

• 14:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I went down to the last minute approvals for certain chips that shipped. I went to an investigative reporter that said there were some 200 series chips and I'm going to mess up the, help me, help me with the, the model number of that. There is a 200 series chip that supposedly went to a company that had no address. So it's like, where did those go? And you suddenly had H200s, data center CPU. And then you had, you remember that like, we're not selling any chips, we're not selling any chips. And then Jensen met with the president and some other people, and then we decided we would send them lower power chips, but we wouldn't give them the super duper chips. Do you remember that, Pat?

• 15:07Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'm sitting there going, wait a minute, did he get compromised? Was he compromised and he had to do that? Because remember, he personally went to the White House, he was trying to do it. So not surprised that the affair, that happens with executives, not surprised that China's using a spy. But when I looked at all the things that have been happening while this affair was going on, it suddenly made me nervous, oh my gosh, is there going to be an investigation of this guy? And do we have some deeper problems? That's what I was thinking. So Tom. And then, why can't Sweden be the most powerful country in the world? Because, and then send the Swedish swimsuit models over because...

• 15:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You're disappointed because of the quality of the spy, Tom?

• 15:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom's pissed.

• 15:48Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what upset you this morning out of all the stories that we have?

• 15:50Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no. My point is, can you imagine the problems there would be?

• 15:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Respectfully, respectfully, respectfully, Tom. Can you go to her picture real quick? Can you go to Alice Wong's picture? Not, not, why would you do that? He pulled up Jensen Wong's wife's picture. Go to Alice Wong's, okay. What do you give her, zero to 10?

• 16:04Speaker 03

  She's an attractive woman. How old is he?

• 16:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know how old she is, but what do you give her? What's the score?

• 16:11Speaker 03

  She's okay, she's 40s and her 50s, whatever.

• 16:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight, seven, seven and a half, Tom? I want to know what Tom thinks.

• 16:17Tom Ellsworth?

  I give her a rate in the raft, eight and a half.

• 16:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. I don't know what...

• 16:21Speaker 03

  Rate in the raft. We're going rate in the raft today.

• 16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So that was a better joke. But, but I guess the question is the following. Do you think the president, they're saying the DOJ knew a year ago. Do you think Trump brought it up to him one-on-one when they talked to each other? What do you think? I'll come to you, Elon. Do you think he brought it up to him?

• 16:43Speaker 03

  I think it's unlikely that he brought it up to him.

• 16:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Unlikely that he brought it up?

• 16:46Speaker 03

  I don't think he brought it up to him. I think, look, if they were monitoring the situation, this whole concept poses an interesting question, which is like the new cold war is being fought, not militarily, but with targeting the heads of these massive companies that are the future of innovation. So there's this weird national security risk that didn't exist before because honeypotting has been around forever. But yeah, it's hard for me to believe that Trump would go tell him, look, you got to cut it out.

• 17:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's what some people are saying, and I have to read this because it's important for us to follow this. So a lot of people are saying, who won more from this relationship? Did Jensen win more or did Trump win more? Now Jensen Huang put $25 million into the ballroom. Number two, the sales, the chip sales that they made to China, do you know what percentage went to, went to the taxpayers, to the US government? 15% cut of Nvidia's China sales went there. So Trump originally demanded 20%, Jensen Huang negotiated down, negotiated down to 15%. Trump also negotiated 25% deal of Nvidia that they could sell the H200 chips that they were talking about. And then obviously, you know, he is, I don't know if you saw what Trump said about Jensen

• 17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  when they asked him about it. Do you have that clip to play? There was a question about, you know, what do you think about what's going on here? Here's what the president had to say about it. Go for it.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Nvidia is investigating Jensen Huang's relationship with a Chinese spy. Have you spoken to Jensen Huang today? I have not spoken to him about it. I just know he's a fine person, but you never know what is going on. I'm sure, I hope everything's fine. He's done such an incredible job. And so I would certainly hope, he's a fine person, in my opinion. In hindsight, do you wish that you had acted on the intelligence when you were briefed about this? No, I don't think so. I think, you know, I think he's an honorable guy. I think he probably has an excuse for it. You have to hear it. No, you can't do that with people. He was, he's done an amazing job for our country. You know, you know how you solve this whole thing? Don't commit adultery, Wang.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  You want, but, but can, can somebody put out an email or something? If you're a rich billionaire or a politician and some Chinese girl is all up on you, that should be a huge flag, and actually a huge red flag, a huge Chinese communist red flag in your horny faces. First with Eric Swalwell. No, seriously, Tom. Fang Fang, now it's Wang Wang. It's like, how many times? And by the way, this is again on the bigger China issue. Like, we kind of joke around about it. Yeah, exactly. How many, guys, from them spying and doing this, to the balloons that were flying over the country that Biden let happen, to buying farmland next to our military bases, COVID, how many times, Pat? And then these people come to our country and when they went to San Francisco, Newsom

• 19:27Speaker 03

  took all of American flags out, put all Chinese communist flags, worship freaking Xi Jinping, he still comes to the White House. And I get it, Pat, I get it. But you know what? We're supposed to pretend that they're not our enemy? And you know what I'm pissed off about? When are we going to start sending our, are we sending our, like, get some Karen Karens or some Susan Susans, send their asses over there? Are we spying on them? It's always them doing it here. Are we doing it to them? I'm tired of that.

• 19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I brought this up a couple of weeks ago and I wonder if we're doing that or not. But here's the thing, let's stay on that topic. So Anthony asked me a question this morning. You never know what Anthony's going to ask me. That guy asked me the weirdest questions. I'm never ready for it. So he asked me, so, you know, how do you handle this as somebody that, you know, you go and you see a high profile person like this getting caught by a Chinese spy? What do you do? I said, many years ago, I read a book by Billy Graham and Billy Graham said, when in the seventies and eighties pastors were getting caught with members of the church, girls, what was that one pastor, Jimmy?

• 20:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Jimmy Swagger, but he turned out to not be a real pastor, but it was a poster child for just getting caught up in this.

• 20:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Pastors were getting caught with girls and wives of members of the church. Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  This is still happens still.

• 20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure it does. But let me tell you, so Billy sat there and he was married to his wife Ruth. And he says, we got to come up with a strategy because one time, he tells the story about being in the hotel room, a girl runs in. It's just him and her. It's like, whoa, I got, I don't know where I read this, but anyway, somebody can fact check it. And then they made a decision to no longer travel in twos. They traveled in threes.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Smart.

• 20:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And because if you travel in two, me and Elon can go somewhere, I say, Elon, no one's going to know. Let's just go have a good time tonight with these three girls. Okay? And, but if we have Tom with us, Tom will say, no, let's go with four girls. If Tom's with us...

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Because that's how you roll, Ben.

• 21:12Patrick Bet-David?

  One of us is, one of us is going to be like, guys, this is a bad idea. We're all married. Someone's going to make that comment, you know?

• 21:18Speaker 03

  It increases the chances.

• 21:21Patrick Bet-David?

  It increases the chances of not doing something dumb. That's the part, it increases the chance of not doing something dumb. So why, Tom and I have shared rooms together so many times. I don't know how many nights it is at this point, 50, 75 nights. Maury and I have shared rooms so many times. And unfortunately, we've also shared rooms with another guy named Amor. But we, we've shared rooms with a lot of friends of ours over the years. And you see, that's the protection. But this is the question here, Vinny. Tom, here's a question for you. An incident happened with UFC and Dana White a couple of years ago on New Year's Eve. The fight between him and his wife. Everybody came out saying...

• 21:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Fire Dana, fire Dana, fire Dana. I don't know if you have that clip.

• 21:58Speaker 03

  Are you talking about the smack?

• 21:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, the smack. Well, he hit her first. She hit him first.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And then he reacted, right? And he came up and he says, you know, what do you want me to do? You want me to, I'm not talking about this clip, the interview. I want to see what he says is what I want to, specifically the interview. So he comes out and says, what do you want to do? You want to replace me with who? Who are you going to replace me with? Go ahead. Find a person to replace me with. Who's it going to be? But now that's an argument between a husband and wife. And he said something. He says, look, if you know me, if you know my wife, you know how we are. We've been together for 30 something years, high school sweethearts. He's kind of explaining the story. But in this case, this scandal is with a Chinese spy. Do you, I want you to think, if you had $50 million of stock in Nvidia,

• 22:45Patrick Bet-David?

  real money, and this thing went from 3.8 million to $50 million, and your net worth is $60 million, which means what? $50 million of it you made because of Jensen Huang driving in Nvidia. Do you, as a shareholder, want Jensen Huang to step down? Do you, as a shareholder, think selfishly?

• 23:04Speaker 03

  Me, yes.

• 23:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you? You do.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  As a business?

• 23:06Speaker 06

  Look, there's the moral implications and there's the business implications. Ethically, 100%, I want it to step down. Who are they going to replace him with? What is the impact going to be on the stock?

• 23:15Patrick Bet-David?

  They're saying Ives.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  Pre-market, pre-market is saying minus 7.26%. Pre-market that, it's, by the way, it's minus 12 right now. Minus 12%. My minus 6.53%, it dropped right now.

• 23:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So how much is that? 6.53%?

• 23:31Tom Ellsworth?

  $12 a share.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  $12, yeah. It's like, what are we talking about? I would say step down, Pat. And I mean, the sooner, the better. The longer it stays, the longer people are like, bro, like, what are you, what are you doing? And not just, by the way, not just an affair, a spy.

• 23:44Speaker 06

  That's the problem. There's national security.

• 23:46Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm asking, Tom. Should he step down? You own $50 million in Nvidia shares. 80% of your net worth is tied to Nvidia shares. You know this is the guy that took the company from zero to a couple trillion dollars. Do you encourage him stepping down?

• 24:02Tom Ellsworth?

  If he helped any of those illicit chips get into China, unwittingly or wittingly, if those chips got into China with some of those deals, and the one I'm seeing about is H200 chips were sold to a company that had an empty office at this address, because there was an auditor that went there. If that turns out that those went into the wrong side of China, you're done. If it was just, she was trying to get chip information and doing things like this, then maybe you stay. The only way he stays is if he is, if he comes out and it's proven that she wanted to get all this information and he didn't give it to her and they had an affair.

• 24:46Tom Ellsworth?

  But I think the odds of that are low.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  But don't you question his judgment, his character as a person to let something like that happen?

• 24:52Speaker 06

  There's two different aspects there. You can question Dana White's character as a person when you see that video, but it's really, yeah, but the question is, again, it's what Tom touched on, is how much damage was actually done? And until you have an actual measurement of that damage, like, are his fingerprints on that, on that deal that ended up getting?

• 25:09Tom Ellsworth?

  He may have no choice. What if the DOJ opens and says, "Bad chips got into the central China"? Then it's not whether he stays with the, with the company, it's whether he's indicted or not.

• 25:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, he's out.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 25:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He's out. And to me, it's got less to do with the affair. It's got more to do with who it is.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 25:29Patrick Bet-David?

  And don't get me wrong, we're not sitting here endorsing, promoting, defending any of that stuff. The company, they have to make the decision for themselves on what happens there, you know, whether you want to call impeachment over Monica Lewinsky type of thing. But now imagine if Monica Lewinsky was a spy taking information and selling it to China. That's a different kind of impeachment. You want that person to be gone versus, yeah, it's Monica Lewinsky, but look who, you know, Bill was married to. Bill was married to, you know, Hillary Clinton. A lot of people said that, right?

• 25:56Tom Ellsworth?

  That was my defense.

• 25:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's why, that's why they call Bill Clinton the first black president. You ever heard, like, when people make that claim? But, so to me, I think, I think the idea of being a Chinese, by the way, you know how much money they lost in valuation, roughly? Market cap, $300 billion, give or take. $300 billion of wealth was lost because of what happened. Let me tell you what I would do a little bit deeper. You know what audit I would do, Vinny? If, if we're in the US government, I would be telling my guys, and I'm sure they're already doing this anyways, make a list of all major companies that China is doing business with or they want to do business with, and audit to see what spies we have there, whether it's AI companies, semiconductors, defense contractors, White House officials, universities,

• 26:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Congress, SpaceX, big tech, everybody. You know how the same way there's a massive paranoia with Israel and AIPAC? Massive paranoia with Israel and AIPAC. The reality of it is, they want the information for what? What do they want the information for? It's not like they want the information for, you know, they want the information for control, so Israel stays as a country, they have the right. You know what China wants the information for? China wants US to fall and China wants to be the most dominant country in the world with their ideology imposed to the world. China is now waking up in the morning saying, well, let's you look, phenomenal allies, let's make it bigger. So you have to be very, very careful. The, I'm willing to bet the amount of Chinese spies they have in university presidents.

• 27:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Think about the influence they have in content that's being taught to kids.

• 27:26Speaker 06

  100%.

• 27:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Think about, you know, how they're brainwashing kids, the influence they have over there. So this isn't just the beginning. I want to know more, how, why this is. I'll give you the final thoughts on this and we'll go to the next story.

• 27:36Speaker 06

  It even goes into Hollywood, like, just speaking from experience, I started noticing that a lot of heavy investors into films, like, when I was in that space, started coming out of China. There was that whole program of getting students over here who are Chinese so that you could get them eventually to have citizenship and vote and all this stuff. There, it's a very smart strategic move on their end, the game they're playing. They're playing a long game. And it's, it's slow enough and it's low key enough that you don't notice it until these stories come out and then you kind of forget about this story and move on to the next. So it's an effective strategy that they're using.

• 28:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I think they're going to find a way to protect him, but I think he's going to be stepping away. I think he'll be hired as a consultant or somebody on the board to be able to give feedback, but they need to go find a new CEO. And I don't think they can get rid of him that easily. To replace a guy like that's not going to be that easy. Uh, because of all the relations, because he's a very good biz dev guy.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to realize, you don't get to where you're at. He's a multi, a lot of these techies are not biz dev guys. He's not quirky. Like, if you watch the way he speaks, it's very, very rare to get a brilliant guy like that that's also good with people.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Typically, the guys that are very brilliant are a little bit awkward.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  Like Mark Zuckerberg.

• 28:42Speaker 06

  With the technology.

• 28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  They're not the most like.

• 28:46Speaker 06

  Doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu would be more likeable.

• 28:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so let's go to the next one. President does a 60-minute interview, okay, with CBS. When he sits down with them, there was a lot covered. I watched the whole thing. Tom and I watched it. I don't know if you guys have gone through it yet or not. But it was phenomenal. The interview was done by Ross Duttat. And there's a few things covered. Here's five things that were the main things from the 60-minute interview. This is a WSJ story. His immigration policies. He said, maybe I may have gone too far. He said, I let in 25, you know, Biden letting in 25 million overnight, clean, blah, blah, blah. But maybe some of these people that we send that could have jobs, that we could do something with them and, you know, we could have certain things that we can do, you know, maybe we could do something there. And he said that. And he said, I think I can work with the Democrats on this. Number two,

• 29:30Patrick Bet-David?

  he might not endorse his successor when asked, hey, would you, says, maybe I don't endorse anybody, who knows? Maybe I do, maybe I don't. Then the other one was ruling out ever forgiving his political enemies. It was a very interesting clip about, hey, you know, would you ever forgive Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, James Comey? And the answer he gave was like, you know, you know, you're at a certain age. He says, I've never met anybody that's lived this glorified of a life like you have. You've lived an amazing life. Don't you think it's something where you ought to forgive them? Especially since you're getting closer. And he says, you know what? It's very easy for me to give an answer and just say, yes.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 30:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But I can't. I can't. No, I hate these guys.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 30:08Patrick Bet-David?

  These are my enemies. They made my life a living hell. No, I can't do that. You want me to lie to you? I'm telling you the truth. And then four, reject allegations of self-dealing on, passed on the rising his net worth and his family's co-ownership of crypto company, World Liberty Financial. Trump said, I devote almost no time to my network. I don't care. My sons run the company. And last but not least, place down concerns about AI. I don't mind guardrails, but I don't want to put it in deep second position. He talked about AI, superintelligence. China has no guardrails. He said his administration, and the guy asked him a question about, what do you think happens to you when you die? And it was so funny. He said, what do you think happens to you when you die? He says, well, I hope I'm missed. He says, no, no, that's not what I'm asking you. No, I just hope people miss me when I die, like I'm missed.

• 30:53Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, no. Oh, you're talking afterlife? Yeah. He says, well, I'm a religious man.

• 30:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, you know, I, I go to heaven. He says, you think you're going to go to heaven? He says, I don't know. I don't know. He says, I think I'm going to go to heaven. And then that's when he asked him, well, if you're a religious man and you think you're going to go to heaven, would you forgive these people? And that's when he's like, very quickly became a non-religious man.

• 31:15Speaker 03

  No.

• 31:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what'd you think about the interview?

• 31:44Tom Ellsworth?

  I thought the interview, I thought it was balanced. And I was, I was pleased to see that he had a measured approach. Uh, he was not the pugilist in the interview. Um, I, I think he's resolved. I saw resolve in his eyes. I didn't see defeat. I saw that he's resolved. There's some things to do here and he has a. 90 day agenda coming up and that's it. And then he's gonna be a lame duck and they're gonna do everything they can just to stall everything. Anything they want to do, he's gonna veto it and they don't have enough to override the veto. So get ready for two years of stuck in the mud. Um, but as for him, um, I, I see resolve. I think there's again, that follow-up uh, agenda. But there was something else that, that I saw there.

• 32:27Tom Ellsworth?

  And it's, I think he really has this sense of, you know, he wants to win. And I think wanting to win came out because politically there'll be no more wins. He's not gonna be elected again. There's no other elections. The winning and losing and measurements on elections is done. But when he talked about AI, you could see a little glint. I don't know if you saw it, Pat. He's like, I, I'm not here to have a deep second position to China. And I think you saw a guy where it doesn't matter how you feel, Democrat, Republican. He loves America and he wants to win. And I ki- I kinda saw a little bit of that and I was happy to see it.

• 33:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, this reminded me of the Trump that isn't right or left. It's, it was a very human interview, which I liked a lot.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Or it's clips.

• 33:15Speaker 06

  What's that?

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Oh, go, go, please go.

• 33:16Speaker 06

  No, and it, it, it was very humanizing. I think that's a nice aspect of Trump. It makes you realize for all the accusations and all the talk and all the extreme stuff we hear, that there's this guy under there who I really do believe wants what's best for America. The AI issue is such a prominent issue. It's a tough issue. It's a double-sided issue because you have to deal with the idea that China could be ahead of us, which is an end game, or that we just advanced so quick without guardrails and that's an end game too. And, and this kinda touched on that, on that nature of the difficulty of the things. I wish there were more interviews like this and politics in general. That's what I actually would.

• 33:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but you, you know, you know what is crazy though? Think about if you're president. Say you become president, Tom. You're president, Vinny, okay? Tom, you're president, okay? And comment section will stay there. Let's just say you're the president.

• 34:04Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not looking at comments.

• 34:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm just telling you.

• 34:05Tom Ellsworth?

  You always say that, that's what I'm looking at.

• 34:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's say you're the president. Here's a question for you.

• 34:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you be this available to press as he is? Don't, don't just say yes. Actually think about what I'm asking you.

• 34:19Speaker 06

  No, I wouldn't.

• 34:20Patrick Bet-David?

  If you were the president, would you say yes to this many interviews?

• 34:24Speaker 03

  Absolutely not, considering 90% of them hate you and because of them, they've ruined you.

• 34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you do, Tom?

• 34:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I mean, go back and take a look at the accessibility of Obama. Go back and look at the accessibility.

• 34:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm asking specifically about you.

• 34:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, no, no, I'm saying if I was president, I would look back at accessibility and what does that do to me? And I would look for examples and I probably wouldn't be nearly as accessible as Trump because a lot of head ca- head to headaches came from it, but I respect that he did it. I would probably.

• 34:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm asking a simple question, Tom. Would you be as accessible as he is?

• 34:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I just gave you an answer.

• 34:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I wanted a shorter version. So, so then this is a follow-up question to you. Here's a follow-up question to you. The fact that he is this accessible, how do you feel about this man that's this accessible? Everybody beats him up, but he never turns down an interview. What does that say about the man's character?

• 35:16Tom Ellsworth?

  I respect it.

• 35:17Speaker 06

  Well, it also says that he's conviction.

• 35:19Tom Ellsworth?

  He's willing to get in the ring.

• 35:19Speaker 06

  He believes in what he's saying. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone through, but, but he, the day he was shot in the ear, he was right back at it.

• 35:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I guarantee you, the day this guy's done with, or he dies, or he's gone, he's no longer with us, which God willing, that day comes a long time because I want him to live a long time afterwards to spend time with his grandkids. I want that for everybody. But God willing, when that day comes, when, you know, when that day comes, you know what's, what media's gonna realize, deep down inside? They're gonna realize how much they miss how available he was to talk to everybody and never turn down a conversation. Because I honestly don't think there's a single soul. I, I, I want you to think about any personality and profile, who would be this accessible? I don't think there's anybody that would be this accessible. Go, go talk about every one of them.

• 36:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Is Jamie Dimon this accessible? Is Bob Iger this accessible? He never talks to anybody. Tell me what executive, go, go tell me what executive is as accessible as he is. What executive?

• 36:23Speaker 06

  And there's never been.

• 36:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Is as accessible.

• 36:25Speaker 06

  There's never been someone as targeted by the press as he is. So on top of being accessible, he's going into enemy territory from any objective standpoint. They're constantly trying to find clips to ruin him.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  Which I could, which I could understand why, like when he says, Pat, and I saw, I saw multiple clips and I want to get into an AI one as well. When he said, cause he looked at him and he was like kinda smiling and he goes, I hate my enemies. These aren't like a one-off, somebody said something bad about you in the press, Pat. Since 2016, guys, the list is insane of what they've done. On top of the trying to shoot him and it's Hitler and all that stuff.

• 36:59Speaker 06

  FISA abuse.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  It's still to this day, like, like, mind you, the Pelosi's and the Schumer's. If God forbid Trump was killed, how do you think that they would respond? And I'm being genuine. I think Hillary, my opinion, all of them would be celebrating behind closed doors.

• 37:13Speaker 06

  Behind closed doors.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  But, but maybe some of them even in public because that's, that's how dark their souls are. But Pat, I think when it came to the immigration thing, some people were saying, oh, he's bending the knee. Look, look what he's saying. He's talking about people that have been here for 10 to 15 years, which we talked about this. You have to have a, there has to be a fix. And nobody, nobody brings up the, the Biden stuff on the left. None of these cretins want to bring up that almost 15 million people were purposefully let in. None of the pundits, none of the left, none of them said anything. Pat, and it drives me crazy, uh, but I wanted to mention this part too. Uh, he said, did you guys catch this? That his administration called a leader of a major AI company and threatened them with jail. He said, and I quote, "We said, uh, do you like the color orange?", which is hilarious. "Go home right now."

• 38:00Patrick Bet-David?

  The guy started laughing when he said that.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  "See your wife and children, give them a kiss goodnight because tomorrow morning you're gonna go to jail." He had that conversation.

• 38:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Who do you think he was talking about?

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Who would that be?

• 38:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I have an idea.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  Oh, would it be a, a Sam Altman?

• 38:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he was talking about Altman. Do you remember that one part when he, I watched a longer version of it just to see what, what was being said? I think he was talking about Altman.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  And what do you think that was about? Like, meaning we're gonna send you to jail unless you do what?

• 38:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you know, he was, he was pushing the envelope a little bit. There was a moment where Altman had a lot of, uh, uh, he was, he was being a little bit, uh, look, let's, let's just say this way. Of all the people, do you know Anthropic, how Anthropic got started?

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Hmm, how? I honestly don't know.

• 38:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Seriously?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  I swear to you. I don't know.

• 38:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know seven out of seven founders of Anthropic came from OpenAI?

• 38:45Tom Ellsworth?

  They left.

• 38:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me say this one more time to you. Anthropic got started because of Sam Altman. They used to work at Anthropic. Sam Altman pushed seven of them out. They got so pissed, they said boom to you.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  We're gonna start our own thing.

• 38:59Speaker 06

  They went, they went from OpenAI.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  OpenAI.

• 39:02Patrick Bet-David?

  From OpenAI to going and starting Anthropic.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  And this is where Elon was talking crap to him because he said it was supposed to be open source.

• 39:07Patrick Bet-David?

  This was a nonprofit, OpenAI. Think about the title of the, OpenAI and nonprofit. Elon gives 50 million, you convert it, Elon gets nothing.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  But Sam Altman's gay, so when he says here, go home and kiss your wife, was he talking about him?

• 39:20Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think it was, I think it was metaphorical.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  No, he is gay.

• 39:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Because, yeah, yeah, but, but I think what Trump was saying.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  Say hi to Chuck or whoever.

• 39:27Tom Ellsworth?

  That was a metaphor, it's like, hey, go kiss your family goodnight, you're going to jail.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  All right.

• 39:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, I'm, I'm purely, I'm purely speculating. It could be somebody else. I'm just giving my opinion. Go ahead, Tom.

• 39:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, and you have to remember who was in Trump's ear at that time? Elon Musk. Who was in the middle of two level lawsuit that he lost on a timing technicality, not because it was wrong. Elon Musk. So the president had a lot of Elon Musk in one ear and Altman was also coloring outside the lines, as they say. And so that's why I thought, Pat, it was Altman. Cause I said, man, that all comes together. Look how close it is. Also because you have to remember the US government fears AI. Because they want to use it for surveillance on us and they do not want it to be outside the box.

• 40:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, let me, let me do this. So, so a part I want to go to is the following. There, there was obviously a massive divide in the Republican Party, which led to the election midterms, what happened? And, and look, and nobody sits here and says, I'm willing to bet any of these major podcasters out there that are on the conservative side, none of them would have the audacity to go and meet and sit down with anybody at any point. They would be selective. This guy's not. He's got the guts to sit down with anybody, right? But watch this, there's certain things you simply shouldn't say. Trump goes out there and says, voters should blame themselves for stock market rout. Okay? So let me read this to you.

• 40:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Again, these are the types of things that he says that you sit there and you're like, all right, this is never gonna change. This is not like he's ever gonna change. So this is not a, hey, feedback, consider doing this. No. President Trump sent Thursday, this is an Axios story, night that voters had themselves to blame for the stock market's historic sell-off, two days after Republicans lost the midterms elections. In historic fashion, the president was lashing out at the voters who rejected his candidates and messaged. Stock plunged Thursday and with the tech, uh, uh, heavy Nasdaq sinking more than 5% as AI-linked stocks sold off. Investors are skittish about the future of AI development and the data centers at the power technology. And Tuesday's blue wave Russian candidates, stock market crashed today because the Democrats had a big Tuesday.

• 41:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So sad, so sad to see, you only have yourselves to blame. He said on Truth Social. Okay. You know what this reminds me of?

• 41:43Patrick Bet-David?

  This reminds me of Yankees are doing a postgame, you know, they're doing a conference about the fact that Cashman is staying, Boone is staying, all this stuff. And you know what? I think it was Hal who says, look, let's face it, it's not because the team they put together, it's definitely not because of management, it's definitely not because of pitching, it's because of hitting. So you put the onus on who?

• 42:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Players.

• 42:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Players are the reasons why you didn't win. All right. Hey, you know why the stock is down? Nike? Because it's customers fault. Because you guys are no longer coming and buying. Nike went from 261 billion auto valuation to 50 billion. Moments like this opens for criticism. Who is the one person you never publicly criticize is your customers?

• 42:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Period.

• 42:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And if you criticize your customers, sometimes your customers just goes away because you said something about the customers who were once very loyal to you and they were buying from you. You know who's made that mistake before? All of us have.

• 42:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 42:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Who hasn't made that mistake? You're upset, you're frustrated, and you're like, it's the agent's fault, it's this person's fault, it's that person's fault. Who's the leader in charge? Who's got the top?

• 42:45Tom Ellsworth?

  You and Charlie.

• 42:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Who chose the leaders? Who chose the policies? Who made the decisions? Sometimes comments like this carries more weight than you think, and you need to be reminded and say, hey, it's not the customers. Find a way to let them know the way you want them before. And by the way, going back to the 60 minute thing, Tom, you made a very good point of how poised he was. Like, I don't sense any bitterness from him. This is actually the most bitterness energy I've seen in a tweet.

• 43:15Speaker 06

  It's always his tweet.

• 43:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. You sense that. You don't need to do that. So, I don't know. I don't know if the person that's sitting there saying, hey, do you want to send this tweet? I don't know if there's a point of sending this tweet or not, but it is what it is. Nothing's changed, it's not going to change. It's things like this that upsets people. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 43:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, you know, there's a saying that goes out there, and we've all said it. It's like, hey, Angelenos, you get what you vote for, now you got to live with it. I've said that about Los Angeles, and I was the voter out there. And I've said, we, I said, we get what we vote for, because there were things going on in California that I didn't like. So you-

• 43:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You're on the voter's side.

• 43:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Exactly.

• 43:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You're the customer.

• 43:51Tom Ellsworth?

  In the crowd, you can say that. From the podium, it's hard. And I'm hoping this is just one blip in what is a very resolved president going out to work with the agenda and get some things done between now and January 4th.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Uh, more about the-

• 44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  About this.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  I just, listen, comments like that are going to make people jump off you. But and again, Pat, that's just how he's wired, is never to put the, like, when have you actually, I think, I think yesterday's interview was the one time, like, about immigration?

• 44:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Immigration?

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Immigration, that's the, me personally, first time I actually saw, like, yeah, we kinda, you know what I mean? Like, we kinda messed up. But like, like I said, this type of stuff, Pat, at his age, where he's at in his life, he's never going to change when it comes to this type of stuff. But guess what? The market doesn't lie. The voting people-

• 44:41Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, let me say the crazy thing. Here's the crazy thing. He's right.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  But it doesn't matter.

• 44:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you what I mean here. He's not wrong. He's not, he's not wrong. The reality, what I love about what he said, the interviewer, you chose the candidates. These are the candidates you brought in. You brought in these guys, right? Ken, what is it? Paxton? One of the most boring candidates ever. I interviewed him, and I'm waiting for him to explain the policies. Vanilla after vanilla after vanilla after vanilla answers. Who the hell is going to rally for you? So he's not wrong that the voters voted for this. And he said, he said something in a question to the guy, he says, in 60 Minutes, how's your 401K doing? Everyone, so I said, I tell everybody, when you vote, just look

• 45:32Patrick Bet-David?

  at your 401K. Because the moment they voted the other way, the 401K went down. Well, you voted for that. He's not wrong there.

• 45:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 45:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But the problem is, there's also part of it is that you made the decision with the war, you made the decision, and whether right or wrong-

• 45:46Speaker 03

  Stops with you.

• 45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, the buck stops with you.

• 45:48Speaker 06

  There's an important note. Presidents aren't rewarded for long-term benefits to the country. They're rewarded for short-term. So the next, the two years is what people vote on. They don't vote on your vision for the next 10, 15 years. And that's been a problem for Trump from the start. And you, you know, accountability is something that I think nowadays people really, really like, that, that human moment that you touched on, Vinny?

• 46:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 06

  When he was talking about immigration, that resonates with voters, that resonates with people, kind of breaks this whole concept. And more and more and more, voters are pushing away from this two-party concept, and they're looking at it, of what benefits my life. So when Trump has this weird dichotomy of one second he connects with you, and then the next second he takes this elitist position, the economy is amazing, you don't know what you're talking about, to the voter, and then he does things like this.

• 46:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 06

  And regardless of whether it's true or not, it's a messaging issue.

• 46:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Let's go to next story. Next story I want to talk about is Jennifer Welch from the podcast I've Had It. She and her co-host, they're watching, you know, a story with Charlie, and then all, I just want to play this clip for you on how distasteful it was with one of the tweets they're reading, or one of the comments they're reading, and look at their reaction. And right after this reaction, they lost 19 out of 22 of their sponsors, nearly $2.5 million of sponsorship revenue gone, like this. Watch this. Go forward.

• 47:08Speaker 04

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• 47:56Speaker 03

  Look at, like, Catherine Witcher, bro.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  No comment.

• 48:01Patrick Bet-David?

  No comment on that.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  Other than he was shot by somebody that was super MAGA.

• 48:05Speaker 03

  False.

• 48:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He was shot by a MAGA person.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  False.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  So.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  False.

• 48:09Speaker 04

  Do that with what you will.

• 48:10Patrick Bet-David?

  White person, white MAGA family. They react this way. The market reacts. Do you want to know who are the sponsors that they lost? Let me read them one by one by one to you. Ready? Okay. So first, they lost Ridge Wallet, NutraFall, Amber Mugs, Ladder, Honeylove, Bowlin Branch, Cash App, Jones Road Beauty, Lola Blankets, Casper Zeni, iStore, Chewy. You know Chewy?

• 48:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Patrick Bet-David?

  $10 billion auto company, BetterHelp, Ethos, Monarch, Paca, Primal Queen, Noble. These other names that I'll read, allegedly, they've kept the sponsorship with them. Just keep in mind who these companies are. ZipRecruiter, Article, Momentus, Cozy Earth, OneSkin, IQ Bar, Chime, Branch Basics, Life Pro, Quince, Robody, ASPCA, Pet Insurance, FFRF, HomeServe, Flamingo, not tied to the old casino. So ZipRecruiter stayed out of all the names of the bigger companies. Now, they were, they had to come out and apologize. And I want you to see how they apologize. I don't know if you have that clip ready

• 49:23Patrick Bet-David?

  or not. This is the way their apologies sound, and you tell me if this is very sincere. Maybe you see this as sincere. Watch this. Go forward.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  All right. There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all the titty babies over at Turning Point that want I've Had It podcast to be canceled. Why is Turning Point spearheading this? Well, let me tell you why. They are in big trouble. Even Republicans are starting to question, are they worth it? They get millions of dollars in funding, and as everybody saw on Tuesday, they got L after L after L after L, because they're losers and they lost, because they believe in nothing. So now, they're trying to ignite a war with us, because they want to prove to their donors, we can cancel libs. This is the guy that leads the charge over at Turning Point, and he says, if they apologize, he's talking

• 50:13Speaker 04

  about us, for being part of a toxic and evil culture that perpetuates violence against conservatives, I might actually be willing to listen. Andrew, we're never, ever going to sit down and listen to you. When we apologize for laughing at a joke on our podcast, that wasn't for you. That was for us, because somebody I love very much died from gun violence two years ago, and I just didn't feel good about that. And that apology was so that when I advocate for common sense gun reform, that I'm doing it clean and clear. I don't expect you to understand this, because at Turning Point, y'all laugh at violence all the time. You talk about how empathy is toxic and a worthless feeling. So I don't expect

• 50:58Speaker 04

  you to understand that, but for you to think that apology was for you, just exemplifies how out of whack you are with where the American people are.

• 51:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrew responds back saying, Dear Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan, thank you for the video, but it's not hard, not that hard. Just don't legitimize political violence. You can blame me or Turning Point all you want, but we're not the reason all your sponsors are fleeing. You are. Your lack of- Remorse is the least surprising thing of all. I never once expected you to listen to me, but maybe, just maybe you'll listen to all the brands that no longer want to be associated with you. Vinny, thoughts?

• 51:34Speaker 03

  Uh, well, for, and I know, and everybody that's watching knows that I talk about evil on this podcast, Pat, a lot. And I want people to understand all the time that we're up against. I remember the conversation we had where I, I kinda did a blanket statement of evil and demons. And I understood, like, I have to adjust, okay? But also, we talked about the exceptions to the rule. And I'm telling you, go, go back to just her photo, Connor. Just, just look at the face, pause it on her video, what this person exudes, okay? I don't know about the other one with her weird glasses. She, I'd never even heard of her, but like, the Sirius XM photo, like, on the left. That, to me, is evil, okay? You could see it in her face. You, you guys, even in her apology, all right, even when she laughed, they sounded like witches

• 52:17Speaker 03

  to me, guys. It was such an eerie feeling, what I feel in my stomach. So I, because by the way, I love Charlie to death. I love Charlie, what he stood for, him, every single thing that he talked about. So I personally, when I heard the story, Pat, I went and I emailed all these people. I didn't know if the list started or whatever. And Connor, can you pull up, I emailed everybody, and Ember, which I have an Ember mug, that it's a, it's an automatic, uh, coffee cup heater. I emailed them, and I said, can you go back, uh, I just, I emailed them a long email, guys. I, I talked about Cash App, and Cash App did it. Go, go to the other one, Connor. And, uh, they said, go back to the, just their response. Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and sharing your concerns with our team. The recent remarks made on the I've Had It podcast are inconsistent with Ember's values and the

• 53:01Speaker 03

  principles we uphold as a company. In light of these concerns, we have made the decision to discontinue our advertising partnership with the podcast effective immediately. We appreciate your feedback and continue to support Ember. Because they know who I am, because I own Ember, and I've emailed them multiple times for other things. But anyway, thi- this is what I want people to know that we're up against. And mind you, guys, that fake apology and who she is as a human being, this isn't the first time. Connor, can you pull up that clip? Uh, she was, it was right around when Charlie was assassinated. Pat, do you guys know, uh, Caitlin Bennett? She goes, she does in the street stuff. Look at what she does, Pat, when she goes up to a woman.

• 53:37Speaker 06

  I remember this clip.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Look at her response to this, Pat. They're asking about Charlie Kirk's murder. Go ahead and play this clip.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  Be glad if I would die? Maybe. I'd have to think about it. You should be ashamed of yourself. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your friend just said she'd be happy if I died.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  Watch. Watch this demon, watch.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  So listen up, Democratic establishment.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  Democrats.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  You can either jump on board with this shit, or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA.

• 54:05Speaker 06

  And I've been saying that for a long time. We see that time.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  Listen to what she said. She, again, her character, Jennifer, you demon. She says, Pat, to Demo, she's giggling and laughing, that people love that Charlie was dead and that she was dead. She says openly, hey, Democrats, basically, inuendo, if you don't get in line, we're gonna shoot your ass too. Think about what this human being is doing. And guys, I'm not about cancel culture. I am not. Talk whatever you want, you have the First Amendment, but that doesn't mean sponsors and people have to sit back

• 54:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  and pay you money for your disgusting, evil rhetoric. I don't know. And I, by the way, I commented, because she shut off all her Instagram. You can't message her, even if you're following her. I left a, a thing on Instagram, and I go, I don't know what happens to you as a human being to get to this, but I pray to God, that, I don't know her religious, whatever, find, read about Jesus Christ.

• 55:01Speaker 06

  She cannot have Jesus.

• 55:02Speaker 03

  But Elon, I have to pray for this person.

• 55:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, we do, we all do.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Me and him talk about this. As much as anger she got out of me, I have to pray that she finds it, because as it, how can you wake up in the morning, Tommy, and have this in your heart, where you're laughing about a guy getting freaking murdered? I don't get it.

• 55:17Speaker 06

  So there's, can

• 55:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, please.

• 55:19Speaker 06

  There has been a mass dehumanization campaign that has started, it's well over a decade now. You look at the polling of how much political violence is accepted, especially in Gen Z. Harvard Youth Poll in 2025 found 39% of young Americans aged 20, 18 to 29, believe political violence is sometimes justified. These numbers are repeated over and over, 43%.

• 55:39Tom Ellsworth?

  And growing since 2018.

• 55:41Speaker 06

  Growing tremendously. You know what's funny? She said, they have nothing. And the second she said that, the only thing I could think about is, you have nothing. You do not have God in your life. Because if you had God in your life, you could not celebrate. The pain, I want people to realize, just, just think about this for a minute. We saw Charlie Kirk assassinated publicly. His family had to witness that. I don't care if you're on the right, you're on the left, the ability to laugh at that. And you, we're hyper fixating on her. This is endemic of a much bigger problem in society right now. And it's becoming worse and worse and worse. We're seeing it in the rhetoric from numerous, numerous political speakers and

• 56:16Speaker 03

  Comedians.

• 56:17Speaker 06

  people dressing up like Charlie Kirk on Halloween, comedians. And, and all of them are calling for the same thing. They're calling for violence. They're saying, we're gonna hang you, there's gonna be a Nuremberg trial. And this language is becoming more normalized, more accepted. I talk about new normals a lot. We're at a new normal now, where political violence on the left, it's not only coming after the right, it's coming after the centrist Democrats. They will try and tear everything down.

• 56:40Tom Ellsworth?

  That's true. And this may be a good time to go, uh, to Scott Galloway, and take a look what Galloway said. And Galloway equated, you know, uh, Elon Musk trying to push the things that he believes in. And that's all Musk was doing. Musk hasn't been indicted. Musk hasn't gone anywhere. And Galloway's out there saying, hey, we took the Rosenbergs and we put them up against a wall.

• 56:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, he doubled that on this.

• 56:59Tom Ellsworth?

  And then he doubled out on it. And then I just sent a tweet. Can we have the tweet up? You know, people say, well, all tech is gonna protect itself. Not necessarily. Look what Jason C. said. If you sponsor this podcast, The Pivot, calling for the execution of Elon Musk, I will never use your product and will buy from both of your top two competitors. This is unacceptable. And, the word he uses, dangerous, to your point. There are people that are on the left and center, that are saying, wow, this is really dangerous. And he said, this is a doc, quoting, quoting Jason, this is a dog whistle to murder someone because you disagree with them. And this is the same guy who joked about the assassination of President Trump. And then he has a, then he goes into a very, uh, personal jab that

• 57:43Tom Ellsworth?

  he puts at Galloway, that I'll leave it between him and Galloway. But what's interesting is 2024, Kara Swisher and Galloway joked about the attempted murder of, attempted assassination, uh, of Trump, the shot at Butler. And so to your point, we now have multiple leaders that are calling for what they don't see. You know what they don't see, Pat? You've become the totalitarians that you were warning us about.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  Fascist.

• 58:10Tom Ellsworth?

  You are, no, you are, yes, but they are being the frogs boiled in the pot, coming to the endpoint that they said was us. Where are they? They don't understand what Kent State was about. You go back to Kent State, when the National Guard panicked, and four students that were there protesting got shot by National Guardsmen. And everybody was worried about the right. Now you have the left, straight up saying, hey, these people, these people gotta go. And when you take gotta go to the end justifies the means, Pat, Jason's right. It's dangerous.

• 58:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I wanna go to this. Over the weekend, Dave Chappelle, there's a special that he's done. I don't even think it's a special, it's just a show that he's doing, Carmageddon, I think it is, is what it's called.

• 58:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 58:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's out there, and he said this about Charlie Kirk, and somebody was recording it on their phones. They posted it. It was everywhere. Go ahead.

• 59:02Speaker 00

  I feel fucked up saying this. It's scary being a public speaker. And, and I, I mean, look, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk got murdered, and I, I shouldn't say this publicly, but I feel better.

• 59:26Speaker 06

  That's still a human being.

• 59:27Patrick Bet-David?

  It's still a human being.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  And there's another clip. Connor, can you play the other clip? Can I say something? When I heard this, I said, as a comedian, I gave him a sliver of a benefit. I go, maybe he's setting something up, Pat, where it's gonna

• 59:43Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 59:43Speaker 03

  hit different, okay? And I wanna, I wanna make a point. When you go to Dave Chappelle shows, they give you a lanyard, they give you a locked thing where your phone has to sit inside. You can't have your phone. Somebody snuck this in, which they weren't supposed to do, but I'm happy that they did it. This is the second part where he says, I'm sure Charlie, Charlie Kirk is, uh, looking up at us right now, laughing at like he can't breathe.

• 1:00:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Looking up.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, looking up. Go ahead.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  Listen, by the way.

• 1:00:14Patrick Bet-David?

  But they say this is because of what Hinchcliffe said about George Floyd.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Which I understand that. I understand that 100%. But from people that I, that were there, that were online, that were here, Pat, hundreds of people got up and they left. Even if you heard that girl in the first clip, she goes, listen, say what, he's still a human being. Okay. And I'm going to say this, Pat, just as a comedian. Well, Dave Chappelle was on David Letterman. They were sitting when he had the beard now. He's doing a podcast. He was sitting over here like crying almost emotionally about George Floyd. I have lost all respect, everything for Dave Chappelle. I don't care how funny he is, all of his specials. Chappelle Show to me, it's that and then Living Color, top two. But can you imagine? Just put yourself there for a second, Elon. If Shane Gillis, who's up there, went on stage and

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  said, ever since George Floyd died, man, I just, I feel better. I think society, imagine this rant, is in a better place not having a scumbag with the rap sheet that included theft, aggravated robbery. He actually put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach. Hey, think about this, all you George Floyd mural worshippers. Put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach while his friends robbed the freaking house. Okay. And I bet you George Floyd right now is definitely looking up us right now in his fentanyl crackhead self, that had enough fentanyl to kill a giraffe. Imagine what the world would do. Okay. And since he wants to talk about that, if you guys had to bet money on who's in heaven and who's in hell, is it Charlie Kirk, the guy who devoted

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  his life to Jesus Christ, spreading the word, defending his faith, talking to college kids, putting his life on the line, literally, or a junkie, crackhead, fentanyl scumbag? I am, Pat, this made me livid. And you know what bothered me even more? Charlie Kirk, when Dave Chappelle in May 2022, guys, was tackled on stage by some non-binary, whatever the hell that person was, Charlie stuck up for him and went after the DA of, he said, by refusing to charge the armed maniac who attacked Dave Chappelle on stage, George Gaskin, that's the DA, is sending a clear message that public acts of political violence are justifiable and even encouraged against anyone who dares to speak out against

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  the regime. Okay. This guy stuck up for you. This guy stuck up for you. Put his, this is, immediately after you were freaking rushed, thank God, nothing happened to you, seriously. But we're not allowed to talk about George Floyd. And at the end of the day, he died of a freaking heart failure stop because of drugs. I'm sorry, Derek Chauvin.

• 1:02:44Speaker 06

  Lots of them.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  Would never have met him. Think about this. George Floyd never meets Derek Chauvin if George Floyd wasn't a scumbag to society, full stop. You don't even meet him. He doesn't put his knee on you or nothing. So to even compare or get emotional about George Floyd, and look at what happened because of that, because of the country, because of George Floyd. People burned down this country, billions of dollars of damage. It was all hell. Why? And a mural because of all these losers that pointed, put, put black squares on your Instagram and BLM, that thing that you guys stood for, stole money from everybody. How stupid do you feel?

• 1:03:19Speaker 06

  I just want to say this. I think, and I'm going to have a moment of honesty. I think the entire discourse around all of this has gone insane. I think there's mass dehumanization across the board. I think even Vinnie's anger right now, which is.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  Left or right, but across the board, I mean, are we doing it?

• 1:03:33Speaker 06

  I just want to say this. I just want to say this. Everything has to cool down. We all have to, I really believe we all have to find a way to lean into God. We're not going to change them. We're not going to change them by making it a competition of George Floyd versus Charlie Kirk. A human life is a human life. In the end of the day, I had empathy for George Floyd. I didn't, I wasn't happy when I saw the footage of George Floyd.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  No, but who was?

• 1:03:52Speaker 06

  And that's my whole point, though.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  Did we celebrate it?

• 1:03:54Speaker 06

  If your humanity is lost, I don't care what ideologies you support. I don't care if it's on the right or the left. It has to stop being about that. It has to do, if you see a man die and you feel like it was under circumstances that were unjustified, regardless of George Floyd, regardless of Charlie Kirk, you do not celebrate it because you're a human being. And through that, you have empathy for other human beings. And we're losing that empathy. We've lost touch with the plot completely. It's really, really sad.

• 1:04:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, I'm curious. What do you say? You just heard two different positions here. Where are you at with it?

• 1:04:20Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think we have to find some way to turn down the heat because people are getting hurt. But I'm not going to turn down my passion for my point about family and conservatives and the things I, I believe in. But I'll tell you, you know, you're not allowed on the conservative side, Elon, yeah, we need to turn down the heat, but I get attacked when all I said, all I said was, you know, that's really unfortunate what happened to George Floyd, but why was he there in that liquor store? Why was he drugged up in that condition? And why did he put himself in that position? And I wasn't allowed to say that. I was, I was attacked and assailed on X because you're not allowed to say that.

• 1:05:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Because they're trying to run a narrative against you. They're trying to push hard. And all I'm saying is, if you don't want to get in a situation like that with the cops, and then the cops end up in, in prison after a trial, then maybe you shouldn't be doing this, this, this, and this, and be completely drugged up that someone called 911 and called the cops because of you to come out there. And so, I'm not allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to say, wow, that, this is unfortunate. This is the consequence of the action.

• 1:05:35Speaker 06

  I agree with you, Floyd.

• 1:05:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Then they come back and they raise the heat and they're like, oh, you like that it happened because you're conservatives. And that's a dehumanization toward me. So I do think we have to find a way to lower the heat.

• 1:05:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Believe it or not, who benefited the most from George Floyd?

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  BLM.

• 1:05:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Who benefited the most?

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  And the Democrats.

• 1:05:50Patrick Bet-David?

  When did George Floyd happen? What's the exact date of George Floyd?

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  Trump, 2000.

• 1:05:54Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the date? Who benefited the most from George Floyd's event?

• 1:05:58Speaker 06

  2021.

• 1:05:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to, what's the exact date?

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  20.

• 1:06:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. What, what year was that? Remember, every year, I would say.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Election, election.

• 1:06:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Every time, May or June of election year, something like this happens. You know who benefited the most from this? Democrats.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Obviously.

• 1:06:15Patrick Bet-David?

  They benefited the most from this. But this, this is kind of where I'm going. And when I watched Chappelle make that joke, I thought he was promoting a special because if you think about the way he does it, he'll make a comment like this and cut it, get a lot of talk, then everybody, haters and supporters have to go watch his special. There is no special. There was no special. He's not promoting the special. Number two is, you know, freedom of speech has consequences. You can say things, but there's also consequences. People can support you and not support you and come back and do all that stuff. No problem. You know, then, then you have the responsibility of a leader where you say things that you can make change. It can actually cause people to want to do something. You're laughing

• 1:06:59Patrick Bet-David?

  at a guy that defended you, classless. You don't do something like that. This is not a guy that was your enemy. So to me, I, I wonder, you know, Rogan said something on a show a couple of years ago where he said, hey, maybe, maybe not even a couple of years ago, maybe like nine months ago, about what he feels is going to happen with the jokes about Charlie Kirk. What angle a lot of people are going to take, where it's going to be like, hey, they're going to start joking. And the person that ended up doing that is a friend of his. Dave Chappelle is a good friend of Joe Rogan. They've done a lot of stuff together over the years. You go to MGM Madison Square, and when you go to MGM in Vegas, the posters on the wall are Chappelle and Rogan. So, you know, sometimes when something like this happens, is this it? You know, I celebrate it with my close friends and time person in comedy world. I wonder what he thinks about Dave Chappelle's comments. Yeah, play this clip.

• 1:07:43Speaker 06

  To celebrate or to in any way encourage this kind of behavior from human beings. He's not a violent guy who's talking, talking to people on college campuses. Wasn't even particularly rude. He's tried to be pretty reasonable with people. And there's a lot of stuff that I didn't agree with him on. That's fine. You're allowed to disagree with people without celebrating the fact they got shot. And to encourage this kind of thing is really one of the most. Can I bring up an important story?

• 1:08:12Patrick Bet-David?

  This is tough, though. No, the reason why I play this is, so, you know, you got friends, you got relatives, you got family, you got a lot of people that you love, right? And these are your relationship, people that you know. But do people have immunity on things that they can say?

• 1:08:30Speaker 06

  Immunity in what sense of consequence of the free market?

• 1:08:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You can get away and say whatever you want to say and you're protected. You, you have to, you have to call out comments that are made. You know, Joe said something about Theo Von, I think nine months ago, and Theo wasn't happy about it. And then Joe came up and he apologized. He says, listen, man, I'm sorry. Maybe that was something we shouldn't have talked about. I don't know if you remember when, you know, suicide, some of this stuff. And, and, you know, this is why Joe is Joe. This is why, you know, he does what he does. But in this case, in this case, it's not acceptable to talk like this. It's not acceptable to talk like this, for Dave Chappelle to tell a joke like that. And more importantly, when he said it first. Do you remember, the first group of people that laughed was the one that I'm most concerned about. I don't know if you heard.

• 1:09:13Speaker 06

  Yes, they laughed before he even said the.

• 1:09:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Before he even said the.

• 1:09:16Speaker 06

  They clapped. They didn't clap. They clapped. They celebrated.

• 1:09:18Patrick Bet-David?

  There's millions of people that are like that in America.

• 1:09:21Speaker 06

  But it wasn't even a joke that he said.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  And it wasn't a joke, but.

• 1:09:24Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's a comedian, so whatever.

• 1:09:25Speaker 06

  I have one note I want to tell you.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  And I want, and I want to hear your story, but I have to disagree with, I understand, the temperature, absolutely. But Elon, I hope we're not going to pretend like this is a right issue. The left is the party of violence. If they don't win, if they don't get it their way, they will burn down this freaking country and kill their own people. Number one, okay? We're seeing it with this Jen Welsh and her disgusting freaking host, Dave Chappelle. Bro, at the polling station in Minnesota, one of the poll ladies had a bloody neck shirt making fun of Charlie Kirk. This is, don't get me wrong, there's people on the right that are violent, they're out there. But this is a predominantly left issue, and you're right. It's because they are a godless freaking party. I've said this multiple times.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  Show me an openly Christian that's showing their faith Democrat. You're not going to find it, okay? And I'm just, I'm just tired of it that we have to sit there and we obviously have to be the more loving group. But Pat, these people literally are celebrating. They're hoping that freaking we get, we get killed and they'll never gonna stop. They're never gonna stop.

• 1:10:29Speaker 06

  Think of martyrs for Christ, okay? Think of people who have martyred themselves for Christ.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:10:33Speaker 06

  And so what I'm, what I'm warning you against is a slippery slope. Because you're right, it is predominantly right now on the left. It's coming from the left. And what's the response to that instinctively? And I have this response too. I, I want to have a strong response back. I want to fight violence with violence a lot of the time. That's my natural instinct. But that's not the right way to deal with it in many cases. Uh, there's, and I forgot his name, I was looking for it, the, the black man who drove KKK members to their meetings. Okay, and over, uh, if we could find his name, it's an unbelievable story, but over years.

• 1:11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  We had him on.

• 1:11:07Speaker 06

  He saved roughly like 400 people from, from being wiped.

• 1:11:10Patrick Bet-David?

  They did a documentary on him.

• 1:11:11Speaker 06

  And even anecdotally, I get a lot of death threats because of positions I take and I always spend.

• 1:11:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Daryl Davis.

• 1:11:17Speaker 06

  But when you respond to them with, with absolute kindness, some of them, not all, some of them respond back and say, you know what? I, I forgot you were a human being. We have to remind people on the left, and it's hard, we're not going to win them all over. But we have to remind people, because again, it shouldn't be right versus left, it's a human issue, that everyone is a human being in the end of the day. I don't want you to get sucked into the anger and let it consume you, because then they win. Then that, and it's gonna, as much as you say right now it's a left issue, it is. In five years from now, you will see the pendulum swing the other way because it's a natural response to this kind of rhetoric and this kind of violence. So that's a dangerous place to go, and then it keeps swinging and it keeps going up to what end? So I just want to be solution based.

• 1:12:02Speaker 06

  I want to, I want to have some kind of outlook where there's a positive outlook.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  Because I, mind you though, I don't want violence and.

• 1:12:09Speaker 06

  I know that, I'm not saying.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  I get emotional because it's, if it's every day, bro, you're getting slapped in the face, slapped in the face, and your hands are just like this. You're, like, I'm not gonna hit them back, but it's like, bro, I'm, my voice, I want to expose them as much as they can. And I love the fact, Pat, that it's hitting their wallet. Like you said, we're not gonna stop them from this, but that, you have no idea how happy, I got the email in the morning, like 12:30, almost one in the morning. I was so freaking happy I couldn't go back to sleep. I'm like, you could say whatever you want, all your disgusting rhetoric, but now your wallet's gonna get hurt. And I'm happy that $2.5 million.

• 1:12:39Speaker 06

  What I, what I love that Pat did is he didn't just name the companies that left, he named the companies that stayed. And that's what everyone should take note of. When you talk about consequence, that's the kind of consequence I'm for. I don't want any regulation on free speech.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  Me neither.

• 1:12:51Speaker 06

  But the companies that stayed with that podcast, those are the ones I care.

• 1:12:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so I, I think both messages are necessary, what you said, millions are with him. And fewer people are on your side.

• 1:13:02Speaker 06

  I know.

• 1:13:03Patrick Bet-David?

  On what you're saying.

• 1:13:03Speaker 06

  That's okay.

• 1:13:04Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's needed. It's needed for us to be, think, be, be able to think about that as well, because you're controlling the pulse. We have to be thinking about what's going on in America right now. Comments like this don't help. To come from a professional like him doesn't help, but it is what it is. He, you know, some are gonna say, well, Hinchcliffe said it, what's wrong with this? I get it, I'm just saying there's a conversation behind it. All right, let's go to the next story. Next one I want to get into is Chief of Staff. So Susie Wiles, all of a sudden out, replaced with Stephen Miller. While this happens, after Susie, uh, Susie Wiles being fired, after the midterms blowout. Then a Cali Means, senior advisor to RFK from HHS, goes on the Rogan podcast.

• 1:13:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if you have a clip from that one or not. In the podcast, they talk about a lot of different things. One of the things they talk about is that Susie Wiles had a group of three people that were working for her, that the, the timing of some of the things that happened, where her daughter got her job at this one place, that the revenue went from 0 to 30 million dollars. Too many things that was concerning, but I'll let you watch the clip here first and then we'll react to it. Go for it.

• 1:14:09Speaker 06

  And Susie's, uh, person, Walker Barrett, is there. And he puts an executive order down on the desk. And he says, please review. And it was the glyphosate EO that, uh, says it's a national security issue, we need to have glyphosate and alluded to liability protection, using national defense, um, reasons.

• 1:14:32Tom Ellsworth?

  National security?

• 1:14:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, national security.

• 1:14:34Tom Ellsworth?

  To make sure that we have glyphosate use.

• 1:14:37Speaker 06

  And I will tell you, the Secretary of War, the major generals, they don't see our lack of glyphosate on US farms as a national security issue. And the EO was all about farming, all about glyphosate. No, nobody in military leadership sees this as a national security issue. So, so Walker put that on the table. I read it. I said, this is a political disaster. Um, you know, we need to talk about this. And he said, this is final, it's national security, it's coming out tomorrow. Um, and all the people in the room. And he said, please inform Bobby and this is not up for discussion. And Bobby should not be calling the president or calling anyone, this is not up for discussion.

• 1:15:21Speaker 06

  Susie then called Bobby's office and said, we're not discussing this. Um, I went and informed Bobby and it was announced the next day.

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• 1:15:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this obviously, Tom, I'll come to you first because I know you've got a lot of things you want to say. Matter of fact, I'll just come to you first. What are your thoughts on this? First, Susie Wiles, Stephen Miller, and then this story dropping with Cali Means.

• 1:16:08Speaker 06

  First of all, the, the whole dialogue over the weekend is now a calling into question. Was Susie Wiles the Chief of Staff? Or was she, you know, kind of crossing over the line like so many of them do? And is she open now to the allegation that maybe she was a, you know, a swamp creature like so many others? And when they say swamp creature, they're talking about people that end up on the public dole, uh, using their position in government to get there. Uh, and so you've got, on one hand, Susie's being accused of that. And if that's the case, that is disappointing to me and that was really sad, because I thought she was a white hat.

• 1:16:46Speaker 06

  Um, but what Cali Means is bringing up here, um, and then over the weekend on this, they reached out to him and said, hey, you know, um, this isn't true. And he said, great, if it's not true, then let me post the following protection order. And what, what he did was, here it is. He came back and said, okay, if you say it's not true, that I'm calling you out as sort of a swamp creature and as a member of the swamp that was supposedly, we were supposed to be draining, and yet you're making money on it and you're protecting glyphosate under national security, a chemical that is giving people cancer, uh, in use in agricultural. Um, he says, then you need to do this, you need to preserve all of the following.

• 1:17:30Speaker 06

  And when he goes out with this, crickets, Pat. When he came out and said, all of this protective, crickets. Todd Blanch was then asked on the CBS, um, morning shows on Sunday, hey, what about this? He referred to him as a podcaster and said that he is not inclined to investigate this because he's a disgruntled ex-government employee. And so I'm like.

• 1:17:56Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you process that? How do you?

• 1:17:57Speaker 06

  I process that as like, well, Todd's certainly not running to Susie Wiles' corner, you know, and, and all he would have had to do, if Todd was really on Susie's corner, what is the only thing he has to do? This guy better watch his mouth. He was in charge of and then access to very sensitive information, government secrets and stuff. I think he needs to be careful about the things he says. That's all you have to say as an AG, you know what I mean, Pat? To kind of throw a shot out there? He doesn't. He just says, I don't really pay attention, I understand what he said and everything. So the first.

• 1:18:28Tom Ellsworth?

  First thing I have is on Susie Wiles, I'm going, wow, this is a big allegation. This is a big steaming pot of goo, if it is in fact true. And it's exactly the kind of things that people talk about the revolving door, that you leave government and you go up to K Street, you end up on a board and you end up as a lobbyist.

• 1:18:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so one of the allegations he made is that Susie Wiles put lobbyists and campaign donations ahead of children's health, and she kept telling them, to Callie and others, we need money for midterms, Callie, we need money for midterms. And then, of course, the daughter allegedly received special treatment with the business dealing that employed Wiles' daughter as a lobbyist, receiving preferential access to government funding. And then, Trump being kept on in the dark by his own advisors, not telling them what's going on, that was one of the bigger things where Trump didn't know that some of these things that were taking place. So, this looks very, very nasty on this story coming out. Tom, in regard to this, this is my question for you.

• 1:19:31Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how sometimes, because the part that makes it weird to me is the following. Here's what makes it weird to me. When did this interview drop?

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Great, I got you.

• 1:19:42Speaker 06

  Two or three days ago.

• 1:19:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What day did it drop?

• 1:19:44Speaker 03

  So, the interview was on Thursday, November 5th. Thursday, November 5th. The interview dropped Friday, November 6th.

• 1:19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, when did Wiles get fired?

• 1:19:54Speaker 03

  And Trump announced that Wiles was out and Stephen Miller was replacing her on the Fri- on Friday.

• 1:19:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Same time, same day.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, because, yeah, so the Rogan interview was Thursday, the actual interview. Susie submitted her resignation that night. The interview drops on Friday, November 6th, and Trump announces that Wiles was out and Miller was in on-

• 1:20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  After the interview.

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:20:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So, the interview wasn't done on the 6th, the interview was done the day before, because you got to cut it up.

• 1:20:16Speaker 03

  Thursday.

• 1:20:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Do all that stuff. So, I think this was the sequencing. I think this was a guest that went on that was timed to get ahead of the story of Wiles, to minimize the stories, and I think it was very intentional and the sequencing was brilliant.

• 1:20:33Speaker 06

  Great.

• 1:20:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Because what it automatically did is, say something, go. Announce it, you better not say anything, or else, do the interview, boom, let's move on. She's been fired. I think that's what happened. Do you understand what I'm saying?

• 1:20:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. I do exactly. And I also want to, my third point, I understand that and I agree with it, but one of the things that bothers me about it is that she called them the sugar guys, and supposedly multiple people on the inside said that's exactly what she was saying. They went out to get money from the sugar guys, and RFK, remember, he came out on vaccination, he came out on COVID, he came out on food dyes. Do you remember what happened when they started going out on sugar? All of a sudden, RFK, wait, wait, wait, hang on a second, let's go easy on sugar. We're selling a lot of diabetic medication in this country, and we sell a lot of sugar. Maybe RFK, you got your food dyes, you got your COVID, you got your other things, but maybe let's, all of a sudden, Maha kind of, do you remember that?

• 1:21:28Speaker 03

  I remember.

• 1:21:29Tom Ellsworth?

  All of a sudden, Maha got quiet. And so, I see all of this together, but I agree with you on the sequencing at the end, but if this is really true and this is how it went, then we went to drain the swamp, but they circumvented Trump, and behind his back, apparently, we're doing swamp things.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  And, Tom, you mentioned the sugar. He said this percentage, which I checked, which is a little bit lower, talking about the sugar folks, 38% of teens have prediabetes, and he said, nobody gives a you-know-what. Did you? What's the real number, though? I checked it, Elon, it's like, it's a little bit less, but think about that, almost 40% of kids are prediabetic. So, he's not lying, all the Coca-Cola, all the everything, and he made, and I just want to make a quick, a quick point with Tom. I was talking with Tom about how Maha, like, RFK went in there and he did his thing, then all of a sudden, I'm like, bro, I haven't heard anything about this guy, and this is what bothers me. I have two questions, Elon. What else was kept? What else was, was she gatekeeping or whatever? Because we talked about this before the podcast, well, you're the President of the United

• 1:22:29Speaker 03

  States, you can't, you own businesses, Pat owns businesses.

• 1:22:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, we were talking about it, yeah.

• 1:22:33Speaker 03

  You can't sit there and puppeteer everything, you have to trust this person, and if this person is what they're saying that it is, they were keeping things which were, by the way, harming Americans and harming children because of their lobbying interests. And the list was huge, Tom, so I just wanted, what else was kept? Think about anything with the Iran war.

• 1:22:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Gliosate was a chemical that was harming adults working, and the cancer incidence among adults working with that, I believe, is 6X worse.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:23:03Tom Ellsworth?

  So, this gliosate is an industrial chemical, which is, which is, there were big giant companies making big donations-

• 1:23:10Speaker 06

  This is not new.

• 1:23:11Tom Ellsworth?

  -that needed protection.

• 1:23:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, but this is, this is a longstanding issue in politics. It's everything people hate in the government, that you have this group of centralized power that's stopping things for their own personal benefit from getting, it's literally what the establishment represents.

• 1:23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 06

  What you were touching on, it is impossible, when you're at the top, to manage every single person under you, it would just be a physical impossibility, but the, something about Callie that makes me think this has a lot more legitimacy is that he's been speaking on these issues for a long time.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  It's not brand new.

• 1:23:40Speaker 06

  He cares about these issues. There's old stories, you know, everyone makes fun of Alex Jones, there's an old atrazine story. He was talking about the frogs are going gay, the frogs are going gay. There is actual truth to that story. The frogs didn't go gay, but they, they did have, they did have like, micro penis development, and they did have sex chains, all from atrazine, which is banned in every other country, and the EPA and all special interest groups went against the doctor that did tons of research on it, there were like 36 other research papers, they got them all denied, and the only one that got approved was from the company that actually ran their own private investigation into atrazine. There's so much, and at the expense of who? At the expense of our children, at the expense of our health. How long, I don't even, like, this is just, I have no idea how long people might have

• 1:24:24Speaker 06

  known that asbestos might be dangerous, or smoking was dangerous before. It took years to get it out into the open.

• 1:24:31Tom Ellsworth?

  In the 50s, they ran, Camel ran ads in the 50s with a doctor smoking a cigarette that said, more vitamins.

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember.

• 1:24:38Speaker 06

  So, that's, that is the game. This is not new. People believe, the thing that hurts the most is people believe Trump was going to end this game. And what happened? It got played at a higher level than we've seen for many, many years.

• 1:24:51Speaker 03

  So, I have two things, and you're right, just like with, in 2016, when he just showed up and he's like, oh my God, I won, Pat, the Christopher, everybody's like, well, he appointed them, how would he know? He was brand new. But my question to you is, Pat, how do you stop this? What's the solution to stop somebody like a Susie Wiles, if these accusations are true, which I kind of, I'm on Callie Means' side, how do you stop this from happening?

• 1:25:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's interesting. Again, Anthony asked me the question this morning, it says, what leads to men, you know, like, Nvidia, Jensen Black doing what he does? I said, the most powerful way to get somebody to do something stupid is flattery. And Tom and I have had this conversation together many, many times. And my guys, and I do this all the time, because here's how it goes. It'll go with Vinnie, let's just say you're married, a girl comes up to you, you've been married for 18 years, and she'll say, my God, if you were my wife, if you were my husband, every morning, I would, I would not, I would not let you leave full, you would always leave empty. Yeah, I would do this, I bet your wife pleases you all day long.

• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Patrick Bet-David?

  And-

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  She's fishing.

• 1:25:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're like, yeah, and you're like, she actually doesn't, and you're now upset, oh my goodness, you know, I'm sure your wife is very grateful for how amazing of a man you are, good-looking, makes money, smart, funny, all of that. There's not too many men like you in the world. And you not walk away, who's the first person you call and fight?

• 1:26:13Speaker 03

  Your wife.

• 1:26:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey.

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  Hey!

• 1:26:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm full, what happened, right?

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  What are you doing?

• 1:26:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So, then, that leads to a fight. Okay, that leads to that. So, you have to know certain elements of what causes people to fall. Flattery is one of them, okay? Flattery is one of them. Power is another one, okay? Thinking that you have immunity is another one, looks, oh my God, I'm the chief of staff, I can do this, I can do that. Kids, kids. We had an event this weekend, and one of the guys is there, they want to have their son be the CEO of the company. And they have one son. So, the husband and wife, the mom and dad are there, and we're having this conversation, and he comes and asks me, hey, what do you think about me, you know, when if I'm, you know, such and such, I'm about to be the CEO, what would you suggest? So, you really want me to tell you the answer yet?

• 1:27:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And I waited for the mom and dad to be there, I said, maybe you're not good at being a CEO. I said, I got four kids. I said, if you think for a second, just because you're my kid, you're going to be the CEO of the company, you have one thing, it's not going to be the case. And I tell my kids that all the time. If you're not that good at what you do, and somebody else is, they're going to get the job over you. It's not just because you're a kid that you're going to get that job, right? So, that automatically becomes what? Where you put your kids over the job. I have a lot of relatives I would, I love, I would never hire them. This isn't just about you being able to do this, but that's very hard. You're tempted, because as a parent, what do you want to do with your kids? You want to make sure you raise the ceiling for them, that becomes their ground, you want to make sure you give them a better opportunity, you want to make sure they do better and succeed in all this stuff.

• 1:27:47Patrick Bet-David?

  This is, this is never going away. Never, ever is this going away, of that. And I remember the first time they said, the first chief of staff that Trump had, the doors were always open. And I don't know, I don't know if you remember how she asked for the job. Do you remember what Susie said before accepting the job? You don't remember what she said before accepting the job? Two and a half years ago? You should remember this. She said, I will only take this job if you give me power to know who has access to you or not, because the first chief of staff had too much accessibility to you. I wouldn't make you too accessible. Everybody has to go through me. And apparently, Trump said yes.

• 1:28:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Apparently Trump said yes, and that's how she got the job. So I, you know, Suzie's father is a, you know who Suzie's father was?

• 1:28:31Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 1:28:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, you know who Suzie's father was? Summerall? Coach Summerall, like, she's part of a, can you type in who Suzie, Susie Wiles's father was?

• 1:28:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat Summerall?

• 1:28:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up, who was Susie Wiles's, uh, father? Can you type in father? F A T H E R, yeah, there you go.

• 1:28:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:47Speaker 03

  Pat Summerall?

• 1:28:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat Summerall. Oh, I know who he is.

• 1:28:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That's her father.

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  That's-

• 1:28:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Former NFL. Giants, yeah, Pat Summerall was her-

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  That's so random.

• 1:28:58Patrick Bet-David?

  It is, so she is, she's been in the limelight, she's been out there, she's probably had somebody that challenger to say, here's what it is to be mentally tough, emotionally tough, all this other stuff. So I would like to lean towards positive, but this doesn't look good for Suzie, obviously.

• 1:29:13Speaker 03

  And it's not the first, Pat, like, if you think about just right now in the administration, you have all that stuff that's happening, Alina Haba with her, like, like-

• 1:29:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I tell you though-

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  I don't like all that, Timmy, go, go foil.

• 1:29:23Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the Kim Kardashian playbook, though. And I will tell you what the Kim Kardashian playbook is. Anybody the Kardashians dated, right before the divorce happens, the Kardashians would go to the media and drop dirt on Kanye, drop dirt on Humphrey, drop dirt on all the husbands. So the media sympathizes with who?

• 1:29:42Speaker 03

  With the Kardashians, yeah, cause it's their image.

• 1:29:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god, poor, so how did you deal with that?

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Patrick Bet-David?

  How, like, remember that one interview with, uh, Mike Tyson, where Robin Givens is sitting there and all of a sudden it's like, uh, what the hell just happened? Barbara Walters? You know, Mike's got a bipolar, he's got bad person, he's got such a bad temper and-

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  Or her mom.

• 1:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He deals with anger issues.

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And Mike is sitting there saying, what, what?

• 1:30:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, what'd you say?

• 1:30:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but they set him up.

• 1:30:06Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 1:30:07Patrick Bet-David?

  So you just gotta know, there's a little bit, you know, you gotta be, I'm just glad that what Callie said is the fact that Trump wasn't in on some of these things, even in the 60 minute interview, remember when the guy brought up Area 51 and aliens and he said, you know, there are some stories that they say that even you as the president don't know, so it's really, I'm not aware that, matter of fact, that's gonna be one of the first phone calls I'm gonna make after this meeting.

• 1:30:25Speaker 03

  She, yeah.

• 1:30:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So, meaning that sometimes presidents don't even know what's going on. Let's go to the next story. Next one I wanna go to is, Tom, the Democrats fighting each other. The Democrats fighting each other, this story came up with Ro Khanna now saying he's gonna run for president. Then you have a story of Hakeem Jeffries says, yes, man, hey, we can't do this, but yes, let's go after Hexit. How are you processing all these stories coming out together, Tom, for yourself? Do you think there's infighting going on right now, right now in the Democratic Party? And if yes, why?

• 1:30:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Let's get ready to rumble. Here's what's going on. So we have a couple of things going on here. First of all, you have the old guard in this corner. The legacy guys, the old guys. You have Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Dem senators and people that were DSA'd, that were pushing DSA candidates, or saying, hey, we don't, um, we don't, we don't want you here anymore. Jeffries came out and indicated that we need to work together on the economy, we need to work together. He understands, I don't agree with a lot of what Hakeem Jeffries talks about, but he was coming to the political center on the economy and saying, we gotta work together on the economy.

• 1:31:38Tom Ellsworth?

  And all of a sudden, the DSA people that just seemed to want blood, they were going the other way, going, you're what? And so suddenly, there it is, House Democrats inundated with the anti-Jeffries calls. Cause they're like, no, no, no, no, no, day one, we're not gonna talk about working together with these people. Day one, we want to be talking about what we're gonna do to them. And then he comes up on ABC, yesterday on Sunday, and he said, but on things like Pete Hexis, I'm a hard yes. And so he, why did he say that? Well, he said that because he's trying to pull heat off of him. So DSA, going up like this, Jeffries and Schumer suddenly getting pushed back to the side. And then, in the middle of the smoke, rising from the bright sun of California, Ro Khanna,

• 1:32:22Tom Ellsworth?

  yeah, I'm kinda, I'm considering a 2028 presidential run.

• 1:32:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Really? Is that why you drew the line against Gavin Newsom, also from California, two weeks before the election? And said it was an act of betrayal, the way Gavin Newsom was supporting Prop 42, when Gavin Newsom originally, uh, supported, um, Prop 40 and 730 reservations at the French Laundry? There were so many things that Gavin Newsom was in favor of, that now Ro Khanna is like, no. So now Ro Khanna is up there, coming up this way, and then you've got the, not just the DSA, but the hard left of the DSA, led by the tribe. The tribe is back.

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Talib, AOC and friends are now back. And they're all jockeying for power. Because the DSA is a stronger voice and has more momentum right now. This is very, very similar to the Tea Party surge that happened before Trump 16 in the Republican Party. There was a big surge of Tea Party, really big surge. And so they came there and said, no, no, no, we're in charge. And remember, they were threatening the primary, Republicans had disagreed with them. Then what did MAGA do? There were MAGA, there were MAGAites that would get together in groups of five, and said, Elon, if we don't like what you're doing, we will, we're down here in the South, you're here in the South with your, we will primary you, dude.

• 1:33:47Tom Ellsworth?

  We will get behind somebody and primary you, do you understand? And so that happened. Guess what? That same games that are happening in politics have now come to the Democratic Party. And we are seeing immediately post-election, we are seeing, you know, uh, Schumer, Jeffries, getting bonked and getting, catching heat. And then we are seeing even, um, beyond that, you're, you're seeing Ro Khanna walking in. So Ro Khanna probably looks and notices that nobody was at 25%

• 1:34:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:18Tom Ellsworth?

  on the polling, nobody. And this is the first time, Pat, how long has this been, like, four elections? That it's been the first time there hasn't been a Democrat frontrunner?

• 1:34:26Patrick Bet-David?

  As of this time, that the leading frontrunner's not at 25%.

• 1:34:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:29Patrick Bet-David?

  They don't, they don't see-

• 1:34:30Speaker 03

  Because Jon Ossoff is like at 22.

• 1:34:32Speaker 06

  He's starting again.

• 1:34:33Tom Ellsworth?

  That's, that's called a power vacuum. And who's in the middle of the power vacuum? Somebody who sucks, Ro Khanna.

• 1:34:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Right? And so here it is.

• 1:34:41Speaker 03

  He's not, he's, Tom, and you're right, I love that you said that too. That squad, which by the way, it's very interesting for the 2028, for the Democratic, uh, nomination. You have right now Jon Ossoff, who's not with them. AOC is at 17% with Gavin Newsom, so it's, I think things are gonna change, but I just sent, um-

• 1:34:58Tom Ellsworth?

  You see where Jon, uh, Ossoff was over the weekend? I think he almost breached 30%

• 1:35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Tom Ellsworth?

  on Kalshi and Polly.

• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  I'm betting on him today with Elon, but, uh, and I'm gonna do a future, this is, look, look, look at this. So can you do me a favor? Put a thousand-

• 1:35:12Tom Ellsworth?

  26, I'm right. He almost just breached 30, but he's above 20-

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  Put a shares?

• 1:35:16Tom Ellsworth?

  On here, now we gotta see the polling come out.

• 1:35:18Speaker 03

  Go, put a thousand, Pat, I'm doing this today. A thousand, what is it, max payout? That's it? For him to be-

• 1:35:24Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you, you bet 270, you, you trade 273 to make a thousand.

• 1:35:29Speaker 03

  To make a thousand.

• 1:35:30Speaker 06

  That's good, that's a 5X return.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  So, so, and then can you play the clip, Connor?

• 1:35:33Patrick Bet-David?

  But do me a favor, do the same thing with AOC.

• 1:35:36Speaker 03

  Oh, go to AOC?

• 1:35:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Do the same thing with AOC.

• 1:35:37Speaker 06

  AOC will be a 5 or 6X.

• 1:35:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Put a thousand, 140, so let me tell you why I think, what I think's gonna be happening. You ready? I'm gonna give you a completely different advice.

• 1:35:45Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 1:35:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Remember,

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  Put on both.

• 1:35:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever you trade here on Kalshi, you don't have to keep till the very end. Cause it's gonna change.

• 1:35:52Speaker 03

  Like a stock.

• 1:35:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Right now, I would actually do the opposite.

• 1:35:55Speaker 03

  What would you do?

• 1:35:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I would put, trade $10,000 on AOC.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:35:59Patrick Bet-David?

  With the moment AOC gets to 30%, then I'm gonna trade it and move on with it. That's what I would be doing. Because what do we not know about Ossoff yet? Ossoff hasn't been that public, the moment he gets too public, what, what do we love?

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  All the dirt.

• 1:36:11Patrick Bet-David?

  All the dirt. But you know the dirt with AOC, you know about, so, so she's already been, you know, everything, you know a little bit too much on-

• 1:36:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's been vetted.

• 1:36:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So the edge that Newsom has, is all his dirt is out there. So, so Newsom's edge is the fact that his reputation's out there. We know enough, it's like you date a new girl, and you know everything bad about your ex, and you're like, oh my god, this new girl's so sweet, she likes me, she's so amazing. Six months, she's a freaking, you know, you, you're like, she is nuts, she hit me with a baseball bat last night.

• 1:36:40Tom Ellsworth?

  You know she poisoned her college boyfriend?

• 1:36:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't piss her off, man, she's got a bad temper, so all I'm saying is, if you're gonna trade Ossoff, just be aware his dirt isn't public yet.

• 1:36:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:51Patrick Bet-David?

  The other two are, and, and I step, by the way, although, what is the likelihood of Gavin Newsom's gonna hit 20, 20 points? What is the likelihood that Gavin Newsom's 12% will be 20 points?

• 1:36:59Speaker 03

  I think it's-

• 1:37:00Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's how I would trade.

• 1:37:01Speaker 06

  It's very likely.

• 1:37:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Newsom and AOC.

• 1:37:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're not trading on a winner.

• 1:37:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Let him go up to 20, drop it, that's how traders think.

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:37:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I wouldn't, Ossoff is right now a bad buy.

• 1:37:08Speaker 03

  You're actually real, I'm happy you said that.

• 1:37:10Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a bad buy, cause everybody already knows, uh, nobody knows anything about Ossoff. All of a sudden, you find out a story, you know, he had six toes.

• 1:37:17Speaker 03

  I think, I think he's gonna-

• 1:37:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Fan of the Clippers, you're gonna find out some real stuff about him.

• 1:37:20Speaker 06

  I think he's gonna climb in the short term, I think they're trying to give a frontrunner at least now some attention.

• 1:37:26Speaker 03

  And then they'll die out.

• 1:37:26Speaker 06

  I think he'll get to 35.

• 1:37:28Speaker 03

  Okay, so me and you after this, we're gonna go for AOC, could you?

• 1:37:31Speaker 06

  Fine.

• 1:37:31Speaker 03

  And then, I don't, I don't wanna cut you off, can you, cause Connor, can you play the clip of Ro Khanna, Pat, you guys see, uh, Peter Doocy asked Ro Khanna, cause he just went up, by the way, I cut it in half. He went on a tangent about who he's gonna go after and all these people, and this is actually pretty good, what, uh, Doocy asked him, go ahead. The American people won.

• 1:37:48Patrick Bet-David?

  that you were talking about I saw a quote in Time Magazine of yours that and in the context of impeaching Donald Trump next you said the base will also demand it how does impeaching Donald Trump lower gas prices

• 1:38:04Speaker 03

  well prevent him from get continuing this war the whole reason that we have high gas prices

• 1:38:12Patrick Bet-David?

  the war though he's he's been impeached twice and he is the president right now and

• 1:38:18Speaker 03

  it's nothing doesn't work

• 1:38:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not sure how how either the first two impeachments stopped him from carrying out a war

• 1:38:24Speaker 03

  so but so basically long story short I'm hoping which I think that they cannot get out of their ways this is what they're going to do is they're gonna go all in they're not they're gonna have

• 1:38:33Speaker 06

  they will they're already saying it they will

• 1:38:35Speaker 03

  and buddy and they should be listening to some of those voices like hey listen guys we have a mandate let's just show them that but they cannot get out of their own way bro so guys

• 1:38:43Speaker 06

  no they want they want a hundred

• 1:38:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna read a super chat okay which we should get better at doing but here's one from black hero 911 great name okay he said when a president in their final eligible term suffers a multi-level midterm blowout losing control of the house the senate and multiple gubernatorial races their party has gone on to lose the presidency in the next election 100% of the time now whether that prompted based on the Kelsey conversation because this guy's a traitor I don't know but you have to follow the data okay you have to follow the data on what's going on so if the data is right guys AOC

• 1:39:23Speaker 06

  oh my god I called it I called it like what six months ago

• 1:39:27Patrick Bet-David?

  when I said AOC you know when I said AOC I called it two years

• 1:39:31Speaker 06

  okay I was here I was there

• 1:39:33Patrick Bet-David?

  and by the way and I I wish we go back to that podcast on how everybody reacted to it when they're like you're out of your flipping mind I said okay just wait for it and by the way if the economy you know what AOC wants to become the president she needs one thing let me tell you what she needs it's very simple guys she needs one thing she needs the Dow to hit 48 she needs the rates to stay high she needs the war to continue she needs another crime like a George Floyd to happen in May June of 2028 2028 she needs Trump to go out and give the pardons to all his family members she needs Trump to self pardon himself she needs all of that stuff and by the way the question was brought up yesterday on 60 Minutes are you are you gonna use the power of

• 1:40:18Patrick Bet-David?

  pardon he says of course I am he says are you gonna pardon some of your friends some yourself he says yeah maybe I haven't thought about it for myself he says but we're gonna have to pardon a lot of people because I know they're gonna come after him and he says anybody that knows me they're gonna come out he says will you pardon me he says maybe even you they'll come after you

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  because he knows him

• 1:40:34Speaker 06

  it is very ideological

• 1:40:38Patrick Bet-David?

  AOC folks I'm telling you by the way what this message should do to you is the following you know why if you're listening some of you guys get pissed off with me when I say that let me tell you it you ought to have the pride of wanting to break this 100% gap like you know how he says everybody that's gone through this 100% of the time what's happened yeah that parties want right so you it ought to create so much fear anxiety stress for you that you go out there door knocking and help the next candidates come up because guess what they won this one and you may have AOC as your president you're gonna have to listen to her for four to eight years and you don't think the socialistic ideology you don't think well tax will be nationwide you don't

• 1:41:20Patrick Bet-David?

  think that progressive tax will be on steroids going up capital gains will go to levels we've never seen before but

• 1:41:27Speaker 06

  my biggest concern is packing of the courts

• 1:41:31Speaker 03

  they want to do though

• 1:41:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Ro Khanna will be running on that on a national level

• 1:41:36Patrick Bet-David?

  of course he will be

• 1:41:37Tom Ellsworth?

  because he believes in that

• 1:41:38Patrick Bet-David?

  of course he will be

• 1:41:39Speaker 06

  here's my question how many of you actually so this is how power is handed over to extremists you want change so bad you want to feel better so badly that you're just willing to do anything you're willing to vote in something far more extreme so long as it's not what you've been voting for and it's by the way the left has a big problem right now if you're centrist leftist that party is gone they are taking they're getting like destroyed by this extremist ideology that's openly calling for their destruction so the same way they've attacked the right this is exactly the communist playbook they go after the people who helped them gain power those are the first ones who get hung so as much as they're calling for destruction of the right they're also going to destroy the left in the process they're going to try and create a situation where there's

• 1:42:22Speaker 06

  no more future real democracies just the illusion of democracy and we will have handed over our power the thing with the 100% there's never really been quite a situation like this in any point in American history where you've had a party that openly calls for this level of fundamental change to how our country operates including like I said packing the courts has a history of the FISA abuse wants to give millions and millions of illegal immigrants amnesty and all the things they're pushing for that changes the foundation of our country on a very deep level so people better better wake up I've been screaming about this

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  but but I'm so I agree with you 100% and with what Pat is saying $1,000 right now just on AOC will give you 6,700

• 1:43:04Speaker 06

  let's get rich on the end of America

• 1:43:05Speaker 03

  you'll win you'll win if she if she'll 6,730

• 1:43:09Patrick Bet-David?

  but I wouldn't wait till the end I would trade and I would sell

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  when it goes to double

• 1:43:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I would sell in a double

• 1:43:15Speaker 03

  I'm doing that I don't believe here

• 1:43:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm doing it too I'm with you that's how traders are thinking I I think I think Newsom and and AOC are both too low and I think Ossoff is expensive right now I really do I think also have 26% is way too expensive he's not battle tested yet I think Newsom 11 points will hit 25 points and you'll 2X and I think AOC is actually undervalued right now can I ask you a question do you think there's any chance that an establishment Democrat wins can you go on the list like a Josh Shapiro who's an established Democrat Kamala has a high chance by the way Kamala has and by the way 6% for Kamala is super low 6% for Kamala is super low super low remember after the first debate when she called that Biden she bumped up to 19% very quickly when she said I remember the buses Joe I remember what you did and I was one of them boom she skyrocketed

• 1:44:02Speaker 03

  I'm right here

• 1:44:03Speaker 06

  that was her one moment

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  I'm right here

• 1:44:04Patrick Bet-David?

  yeah so she's been you know chomping on the opportunity to get back in there and people are still talking about that she could be in there so anyways as traders this is a full-time job there's a reason why the highest paid person on Kelsey this year made 100 million dollars and he's in his twenties just trading he's in his twenties let's go to the next story next story I want to get to is story about a guy that that nobody is paying attention to maybe they are and one by one by one he's calling out everybody he's a governor whose state let me just tell you what his state just did you ready his state just did something that they say this is it this is the greatest state in America this is a story that says Florida approves property tax relief why

• 1:44:48Patrick Bet-David?

  insiders ready say the sunshine state just made itself ready the key word unbeatable unbeatable wait what are you talking who's the governor that state what's the guy's name Ronnie Ron Ron Ron DeSantis oh okay who is the only guy that everybody in his state won because of a great job that he did in Florida and I watch this I'm gonna tell you three four things that Ron DeSantis has done already since the midterms to show everybody and he's knocking some people out to not even want to compete against him that's what he's trying to do I like his style even though a lot of Ron DeSantis people get upset with me and they say oh stop weren't you the one that ended his campaign in 2024 maybe because right after he was on the podcast I tried to buy him some

• 1:45:33Patrick Bet-David?

  nice Ferragamo shoes he got upset at me I have good taste I like Ferragamo and it was an opportunity for him to say yes he flipped out he ran out that was because that was Trump's season to run and my challenge with him was you should have called Trump but that doesn't mean if you listen to me that I didn't see him as a contender in 2028 all I said was 24 is now your time and all the DeSantis people the sensitive people I hope you don't get sensitive this next time because you're gonna need a lot of people's help on election day Tuesday a majority of Florida voters approved a sweeping property tax cut for homeowners passed by 62% of voters Vinnie amendment three expands

• 1:46:09Patrick Bet-David?

  the homestead exemption on primary residences from 50,000 to 150,000 in 2027 250,000 in 2028 this is ridiculous this change applies to non-school property tax effectively shielding up to a quarter million dollars of home homes assessed value school property tax remains in place under the amendment people who are not in Florida residence by December 31st 2026 must wait until their fifth year of homestead eligibility to receive the expanded exemption you know what this means if you're planning on moving to Florida you better move down here next two months that's what he's trying to say to you okay you better get your ass down to Florida now or else you gotta wait five years Andres Asion broker owner Miami real estate group argued that the true victory

• 1:46:53Patrick Bet-David?

  belongs to retirees of fixed income noting that for 70 and 80 year old homeowners whose properties are grandfathered in the old modest values slashing their tax bills by 25 Vinnie slashing the tax bills by 25 30 or 50% that's massive impact opponents warned the tax cut could force local governments to cut back on police fire and emergency services with the Florida Police Institute estimating that local governments could eventually lose approximately 12 billion dollars that's fear porn but guess what it's a plan so here's where I'm going let me tell you

• 1:47:26Patrick Bet-David?

  stories Ron DeSantis calls that Vivek immediate he didn't even hesitate but guess what Vivek was on stage with them when they were debating so one by one by one he's eliminating people you gotta meet voters where they are Ron DeSantis slammed Vivek's disastrous Ohio governor campaign he's getting ahead of it I'm just trying to prep you guys what he's doing that's one number two is the Florida story I just told you with taxes three Ron DeSantis calls out Republicans over crony capitalism what yeah he's calling out over crony capitalism you know who he's talking to some of the people who maybe are Republicans and independents who don't like what Republican what some of these guys did to make money he called out Republicans who pushed crony capitalism policy

• 1:48:08Patrick Bet-David?

  during an interview on Sage Steel podcast DeSantis said one reason screaming socialism didn't work in a midterm elections was because young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism but the question is for the kind of the broader electorate who aren't partisan is just screaming socialism going to work obviously it didn't work in this election and why he said part of the reason is the educate in the the education in our university but that a bigger part of it is that young people are eventually comparing what they're comparing is this the clip by the way is this the clip of it go for it play this clips I I want you to see this thing

• 1:48:42Speaker 06

  like a guy like me if I see a socialist candidate it's an easy thing for me to vote no I mean like it's not even a question but the question is for kind of the broader electorate who aren't partisan is just screaming socialism gonna work obviously it didn't work in this election and and why and I think the reason is is you know young people

• 1:49:00Speaker 03

  Have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism. And the question is, why is that? Some of it's the education in our universities or whatever. But I think a big part of that is what they're comparing is not free enterprise to socialism. What they're comparing is how government gets involved in business and you have crony capitalism. So the best kind of indirect supporters of socialism are some of these corporatist Republicans who propagate these crony policies. Because the average person seeing that and say, wait a minute, you're trying to bend the government to funnel benefits to this corporation or that industry or this. What about having a competitive market?

• 1:49:45Speaker 03

  If you have a competitive market and you truly have free enterprise, that's going to benefit small businesses. It's going to benefit individuals. You are going to see the standard of living rise. The problem is, these young people really aren't seeing that. They're seeing just a handful of companies that have an outsized influence on our economy and on our society. And they see government policy. For example, the Republicans in Washington wanted to do a 10-year effective amnesty for big tech, where states and locals wouldn't be able to provide any type of regulatory oversight over artificial intelligence. And I'm thinking to myself, what other industry, you know, gets this? It's these hyperscale data centers that have become-

• 1:50:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right now. By the way, who's he talking to? You know who he's talking to? Let me read this to you. Where this guy's going. Brilliant. By the way, I love the strategy. I love the strategy of what he's going. And I'm going to tell you exactly where he's going to. He is paying attention to something called numbers. You know, some people say they're numbers people. I'm a numbers guy or all this stuff.

• 1:50:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what he's following. I'm going to, I'm going to read this story to if I can find it. Gen Z dumps Republicans and ax your story. What? Who's he talking to right now? He's realizing if you want to win, who's help you need? You need the youth. And I'm going to tell you a story here with a part where he screwed up. Okay? A part where he screwed up. I'll read this to you. Young voters swung so hard toward Democrats on Tuesday that it raises doubts about whether Republicans can hold any lasting coalition under 30. Trump's success with Gen Z, especially young men, had fueled talk of a generational shift to the right. An estimated 66% of voters aged 18 to 29 back Democratic House candidates

• 1:51:27Patrick Bet-David?

  against 31% for Republicans, according to Tufts University, great school. This is a 35-point Democratic edge, up from 14 points in 2024. Support among men under 30 rose from 51 to 59%. Among young women, 61 to 70%. In Texas, Vinny, in Texas. 76% of under 30 voters back Democratic Senate candidates, Jim Salorico. Did you know what I just said? 76% under 30 in Texas. We're not talking Illinois. We're not talking Michigan. We're talking Texas. 73% back Democratic governor candidate Gina Hinorosa. Butcher that one. In Georgia, 70% back Democratic. Keisha Lance Bottoms for governor.

• 1:52:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Gen Z voters are proving that they have the power, not just to decide races, but to be the decisive factor in flipping both chambers of Congress, said Santiago Meyer. Young voters have, were an estimated 11% of Tuesday's electoral against 12% in 2022. And different polling methods complicate exact comparisons. But this is where I'm going. He knows he's going to go after crony capitalism. He's got the pulse of what young kids are upset with. He knows what's going to happen with Gen Z between now and 2028. What's going to happen? As you age, you vote more. So two years from now, those guys are going to vote even more because they're more involved. Their careers on it, you know, their finances on it. But there's one thing that Ron and his team has to be thinking about.

• 1:52:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And you know what it is? In 2024, I want to say, or 23, Charlie Kirk invited DeSantis to come to Amfest. And on the podcast, I asked Charlie, why didn't DeSantis show up? He says, I don't know, but we invited him. The governor was invited. He didn't go.

• 1:53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Why does that matter? DeSantis, if he's going to really play ball, he has to talk to the younger generation, not just give a speech like this, which is great. He's following data. He's doing the right thing. But he needs to go out there and get in front of them. So building coalitions. I don't know. I mean, when we had Ben Shapiro on the podcast, I don't know if you realize, one of the things he finally admitted to, which was very impressive. He said that, I said, what do you think the difference between you and Charlie is? Because I feel like you come, you give the message, you leave. He says, yeah, that's definitely right. I'm not good at building coalitions. Maybe I should get better at building coalitions. And Ben is a DeSantis guy.

• 1:53:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:53:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Charlie was a Trump person at that time. He was open, but Charlie was a Trump guy. So if DeSantis truly wants to play ball in 2028 of running for president, what coalitions are you guys creating behind closed doors? Because you need to create better coalitions. And whatever those guys, there's about 50 of them that I have on my list. But you got to find a way, which one of them will invite you? Which one of them will accept you? And which one of them, you got to make the phone call to say, hey, what do we got to do? Can you pull up Amfest speakers? Can you pull up Amfest speakers, which is next month? Who are the speakers at Amfest this year?

• 1:54:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up the speakers? Go to Amfest 2026. I just want to know who the speakers are. Go a little bit lower. This is free promotion for them. J D K, J D, Erica Kirk, Don Jr., Caroline Levitt, Jesse Waters, Franklin Graham. Try to find Ron DeSantis there. Is he there? He's not there. Okay? Is Marco Rubio there? Go a little bit higher. Rubio's not there. So what this tells me, Vinny, is this coalition of TPUSA, who has under control? J D Vance.

• 1:54:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Just letting you know. And so DeSantis has to find a way to get in front of these types of audiences because J D is whose person? By the way, Tucker's not there. I'm not there. A lot of people ask, why did you turn down Amfest? I never got the invitation. Every year, Charlie would text me, Pat, are we back on? Pat, are we back on? Pat, are we back on? What do you need? What do you need? Every year. Didn't get a call from them at all this year. Not saying anything.

• 1:55:21Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:55:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But didn't get a call at all from those guys. And it was a very open relationship. Charlie was phenomenal at building coalitions. I don't know if Erica is. Quite frankly, I don't know her like that. Maybe she is, maybe she's not. But the other part of what DeSantis, this is a very, very, very important group for him to get in front of. How he does that? I don't know. I'm sure his team is trying. But I love, let me say this again to you. I love that DeSantis is playing offense. DeSantis is the number one reason why Byron Donalds won. Say what you want. Not the tweet, not the endorsement, the number one reason why Byron Donalds barely won.

• 1:55:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Barely won. DeSantis won by one and a half million votes. Tom, if I'm not mistaken, when DeSantis won, he won by one and a half million votes.

• 1:56:06Speaker 03

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• 1:56:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Carried South Florida, which is blue from me to you, from Dade County to Manalapan in Jupiter, which is Palm Beach County, Broward County and Dade County. Broward County always is going to be staying blue because of its composition. But DeSantis carried Dade County. And then you have Byron Donalds wins by 100,000 votes. You know, 108, I believe.

• 1:56:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, by how many, how many votes DeSantis won the first election? 34,000, whatever the numbers, 30 something thousand votes.

• 1:57:03Tom Ellsworth?

  And he owes that to Trump making a statement a week ahead.

• 1:57:07Patrick Bet-David?

  That was the biggest thing with me when I said, hey, you don't give credit to that guy who supported you. That's the reason why you won. At the second time, DeSantis won because he crushed it. But this time around, Donalds won because of DeSantis. Because how much of a phenomenal job they did in the state of Florida. So I like that he's playing offense. I just, I'm speaking to you and your team. Build better coalitions. This is all I'm saying. Build better coalitions. Yeah, this is him when he won. Look at this.

• 1:57:34Tom Ellsworth?

  It was 1.5.

• 1:57:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, look at this. I told you, he won by one and a half million votes.

• 1:57:37Tom Ellsworth?

  He almost touched 60%.

• 1:57:39Patrick Bet-David?

  He won by one and a half million votes. And it went from one and a half million votes by only 100,000 votes. If we do plus minus score, Byron Donalds brought it down by 1.4 million.

• 1:57:49Tom Ellsworth?

  That's crazy.

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  That is-

• 1:57:50Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm saying to you.

• 1:57:50Tom Ellsworth?

  That's scary.

• 1:57:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, that's what I'm saying to you. And, and Donalds, Donalds is it now? He's the state of Florida's governor. Donalds has to build coalitions to make sure he doesn't lose the next time and become a one-term governor.

• 1:58:01Speaker 03

  With that, with that type of number-

• 1:58:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That we're talking about. So-

• 1:58:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Because you know what Donald's enemies are saying? They're saying, we almost had him.

• 1:58:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I know. So Tom, your thoughts about DeSantis, matter of fact, I'll come to you. Your thoughts about DeSantis and his moves, what he's doing?

• 1:58:14Speaker 03

  I like it, Pat, but just looking at the module, I'm just coming as an objective viewer. I saw that lineup with J D Vance and everybody. Are the young people going to like, I don't, there's, is there anybody on there that's exciting for you?

• 1:58:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Brandon Gill.

• 1:58:28Speaker 03

  For that, okay, that's the number one guy.

• 1:58:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go through it. Brandon Gill, exciting. Michael Knowles, exciting. Caroline Leven, exciting.

• 1:58:34Speaker 03

  Michael Knowles exciting or Michael Knowles just very centered Christian? Is he appealing to the young? Because Pat, you know, David Sacks came out and he did the podcast where he said Republicans lost the alternative media world.

• 1:58:46Speaker 06

  Tatum has a big following. Brandon Gill is awesome.

• 1:58:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He's talking young.

• 1:58:49Speaker 03

  I'm talking about the Shirley.

• 1:58:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Anna Paulina Luna, I would say yes.

• 1:58:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay, but I'm.

• 1:58:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Riley Gaines, I would say yes.

• 1:58:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:58:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Go a little bit lower. Nick Shirley, 100%.

• 1:58:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, Nick Shirley is.

• 1:59:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, we've spent time with John Doe, he's good.

• 1:59:03Speaker 03

  But I want, I want a, like, a Rogan, a Charlie.

• 1:59:08Speaker 06

  There's no one.

• 1:59:09Speaker 03

  By Theo Von, Megyn Kelly, you need the people that brought you, bro. We like, we lost, that was all, alternative media was podcasters and we've, we've lost it. By the way, by the way, I love what they're doing because they're trying. Charlie Kirk, obviously, Pat, you've said it, we know this, one of one, irreplaceable. But how is Ron DeSantis, which mind you, he's to me, he's the frontrunner. I think he's going to be the nominee, the young voters, because what did the left do? Elon, what did the left do? Mind you, look at the names that David Sacks mentioned. Uh, Tucker, Theo, Megyn, 100% anti what? Anti-Israel, stop this and the war. Where's Ron DeSantis's point? Because you guys know what the left is going to do. Is he pro-Israel or is he, what is Ron DeSantis's stance? I honestly don't have.

• 1:59:52Speaker 06

  He's pro-Israel.

• 1:59:53Speaker 03

  Is he pro-Israel?

• 1:59:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, but.

• 1:59:54Speaker 03

  They're going to use, I'm just, I'm just saying, and he's my guy, because I love what he did here and I think he's right now going to be the guy. They're going to use that, you know it's coming and they're going to use it against him. You know that's going to, that's going to come.

• 2:00:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, but Trump just ended funding to Israel. I mean, there's going to be a natural, Israel in its own admission wants to have more authority over its own country. So I think there's going to naturally be by 2028, a bit of a distancing just for the benefit of.

• 2:00:20Speaker 03

  Safety of our nation.

• 2:00:21Speaker 06

  My biggest fear is that we give away the election because of Israel. I could not understand that if it means we have to not talk to them for six years.

• 2:00:30Speaker 03

  Ignore them for two years.

• 2:00:32Speaker 06

  I don't care what it is at this point.

• 2:00:33Speaker 03

  Don't talk to over, don't pick up the phone.

• 2:00:35Speaker 06

  I don't know how this became a central issue. You have DSA Democrats calling for Nuremberg trials.

• 2:00:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know why you're surprised. Do me a favor, can you pull, can you pull up?

• 2:00:43Speaker 06

  Nuremberg trials, guys, that's what's being called for, not Israel, Nuremberg.

• 2:00:47Patrick Bet-David?

  An old friend of mine, who's a nine-degree black belt, Mortez Alborzi, sent this to me. Uh, early this morning, can you pull up what I just sent you? This is what I want you to watch. And by the way, if this doesn't do anything to you, forget about it, move on. But this is what's going on. Expansion is expansion and you got to give credit behind closers of what's going on. If you guys got it, can you just pull it up? I sent you this one picture, just check your texts, I sent it to you, uh, right there. Zoom in a little bit. All right, this is from 1950 to 2026. Look at the number of mosques in Europe in 1950, top left. And look at the number of mosques now in Europe on the top right. Look at US, bottom left, 15 mosques in 1950. Today in America, 3,150 mosques in America and growing and growing.

• 2:01:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're worried about Israel? Okay, go ahead and see what happens in 20 years and 30 years and 40 years and 50 years. So for some of you guys that don't know how to tell this story and you're like so worried about walking on eggshells, to me. My, my, uh, relationship with any of this stuff, as you're going through it, I think DeSantis knows how to tell this story the right way. I think he has moral authority, I think he has fight. I think he's going to need to build a coalition. I, you are not going to win the election without winning a coalition. What do we learn from different candidates? Some candidates, they're the smartest guys in the room, but they make you feel like a moron. And the average voter is not going to vote for those guys. You have to be able to deliver your message and land it in a way that the other guy doesn't feel like he's an idiot.

• 2:02:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Number two, likability score matters. Number three, coalition matters. Number four, the right campaign, when he asked Trump, he says, how would you like to be remembered 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now? How would you like your legacy to be remembered? You know what Trump said? I want to be remembered as the president that made America great again. And the guy said, I guess I set myself up for that one. He says, yes, I want to make America great again. Simple slogan, you know, being able to invite more people in without, you know, a limit. Not being uncomfortable, losing a couple of parties that are not going to be on your side, no matter what you do. I just think, uh, DeSantis got a shot. He's got a shot, but he's got, he's got a lot of work to do. He's a little bit, he's, he sometimes flirts with being in the camp of, I don't need your help.

• 2:02:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it. I don't need your help. I can do this without you. I don't need your help. I don't need your help. And I think the opposite is the truth. You need help.

• 2:03:07Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 2:03:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You need help. The part with Trump that's so flipping unique is dude, Marco Rubio was him and, and then he's part of Ted Cruz. Boom. Hey, Romney was seen going to the White House to meet with him. This guy will, this guy will sit with anybody and everybody.

• 2:03:23Speaker 06

  RFK.

• 2:03:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Coalitions.

• 2:03:25Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:03:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So I don't know if DeSantis naturally, it's in his personality to do that.

• 2:03:30Speaker 03

  I have, so, and Pat, just really quick, as you showed the mosque, this is 255 Muslim elected officials across only 26 US states.

• 2:03:38Speaker 06

  But guys, El Said, who hated money in politics, PACs in politics, just launched the Habibi PAC. So we're ready to go.

• 2:03:46Speaker 03

  The Habibi PAC, he said Michigan is Arab America now.

• 2:03:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Got you. To round up on, uh, DeSantis and Pat can go to the next story is, remember where I was? You know, the thing about having a podcast, people can go look at what you said. And at the beginning of 2024, I thought that DeSantis, and this was my mind. I was doing logical checkbox analysis before the campaigning start. My logical checkbox analysis was, wow, I think he's honestly the best governor in America on the economy, on affordability. At the time, now he's got to handle the insurance crisis in Florida and he also has to handle the housing crisis. But now we're talking 2026. We're going to go back here in 2023, rolling into the primaries of 2024. And I had checkbox and Pat reminds me of it.

• 2:04:32Tom Ellsworth?

  It's like, hey, you know, why were you there? I thought he reacted, the hurricanes, well, of this, it was all checkbox. But then he gets the primary going and I'm like, who's in your ear? You're not campaigning.

• 2:04:43Speaker 06

  That's what I think.

• 2:04:44Tom Ellsworth?

  You can't just hold up your checkbox. And you're my favorite governor of all time. I have, in all of my 60 years, I've never lived in a state where I've had a more favorite governor than you. And I think that you got things done and you were there. But you can't hold up a checklist of smart policy and disaster response decisions and everything that you did on COVID. You were the right choice during COVID when everybody was freaking out. And you said, I thought sunlight was supposed to help that. We have a few beaches in Florida, sit in the sunlight and let the UV rays attack whatever germs are hovering around you. He was right. And so then, when the campaigning started and then we had him on the podcast, I went to Trump because you know what I saw?

• 2:05:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I saw the campaigner and I saw people coming back and I'm like, wow, this is where I'm at. So I, I didn't, I didn't turn my back on him. I was disappointed, but I got behind the guy that won the campaign.

• 2:05:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's, it's.

• 2:05:40Tom Ellsworth?

  And the governor, please campaign.

• 2:05:43Patrick Bet-David?

  This is something, this is.

• 2:05:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Campaign.

• 2:05:45Patrick Bet-David?

  This is something, Tom, where, you know, you need to hold the feet of the candidate, there, what's the phrase?

• 2:05:50Speaker 03

  Put to the fire.

• 2:05:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you got to do it. And it's simple, you know, when I told Byron Donalds, hey, go out there and debate. You think he would have lost by one and a half million, 1.4, he won. But the plus minus, he lost 1.4 million, he barely won because he didn't want to go talk to those guys and get in front of the audience? No, you got, by the way, do you know what's the funniest thing about election night?

• 2:06:06Tom Ellsworth?

  He made a commitment.

• 2:06:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what's the craziest thing about election night? Do you know election night, we invited a lot of people, okay? And this, this is the game stuff that I'm not a fan of. Andrew Wilson's wife comes down and says, the moment Andrew started talking about Israel, they stopped him, right? Are you like serious when you say stuff like this? This is the dumb comments that people, I was respectful to him and his wife. Do you know how many people wanted to come on the podcast on Monday before Tuesday night? Out of all the people that were on the panel, there's only one person we put on the podcast Monday. And it was Andrew Wilson, because I think he's talented, capable, and I want to hear him talk. And you know, you know when they commented and said, hey, are you willing to come out and fly out and do the interview with Candace and host a debate? Yes. And they said, we'll pay for it. You know how much money I asked for?

• 2:06:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Zero. This is the bullshit stuff that they do behind closed doors that drives me insane. It's like, oh my God, there's this. You think James Fishback is pro-Israel? Mr. Andrew Wilson's wife, I was respectful to you?

• 2:07:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think, do you think James Fishback is pro-Israel? Do you think that socialist philosopher that I have that, that I kept on the stage the longest is pro-Israel? No. Do you, who else do we have there? By the way, hey, here's another fun one for you, which I'm not a fan of. Randy Fine got an invitation.

• 2:07:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:07:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know Randy shows up? And he sees James Fishback on stage, you know what he says?

• 2:07:21Speaker 03

  I'm not doing.

• 2:07:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Hell no, I'm out of here runs out.

• 2:07:23Speaker 03

  And left.

• 2:07:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not a fan of that. So guess what? Fine will never be invited back on the podcast. Never. You don't do something like that. You're afraid of something like that. I'm not a fan of these games. I don't play any of these games with you guys. I'm in it because I support simple, basic conservative values. America first, raising family in a safe space. I don't have to worry about you manipulating my kids with LGBTQ bullshit stuff. They want to do that after 18, that's on their mind. You don't have to get in there, be involved. Low taxes, allow people that are creating jobs to put the money in their pockets. Low capital gains, leave alone with the, what do you call it, the inheritance tax? Because some people are raped, the Bible tells you, leave something for your kids. People are doing this and you know, you want to tax it 100%? Who the hell are you? And the military, we need to be protected.

• 2:08:07Patrick Bet-David?

  All the other stuff is secondary. It's that simple. Security, the border, all that stuff is very simple for me that a lot of people are on that page. But when you start playing these games, when you start playing, by the way, James O'Keefe got 30 seconds on stage.

• 2:08:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:21Patrick Bet-David?

  30 seconds, you know what's the first thing James O'Keefe did afterwards? He went up on there and he tweeted and he says, thank you so much for Patrick for invitation, grateful, gratitude. Are you kidding? Like you think you're going above and beyond for a guy like Andrew Wilson? And you're like, hey, chirping, chirping, chirping. I gave you 2 and a half hours on the podcast the day before. That this is the kind of shit that low identity people that act like this, that you sit there and say, what the hell was this all about? What the hell was this all about? No, we're going to be in this game for a long term and we have a certain position that we have. And we'd love to find a way to talk to everybody. I don't care if you're left, Pete Buttigieg, and you and I don't agree on 80% of everything. I want to talk to you. I don't care if you're Wes Moore here, I want to talk to you. I don't care if you're, you know, a, a, what do you call it, a Nick Fuentes.

• 2:09:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't care if you're the guy from, uh, what was that one group that we brought, Thomas Russo, whatever his name was. I want to talk to everybody as long as, and my, my rule is very simple, I had a call with one of the guys. Who came to our podcast, I had him on a couple of times. But I called, I called him to the office one day. He knows who he is. I won't mention his name. He came to the office. I sat him and I said, you know how ridiculous of a communicator you are? I said, you are so talented, but here's your problem. You keep using this N word, you keep using that word, you keep using this word. And you're tightening your audience. I can't have you on if you keep doing that. Well, I'm, no, no, I don't. Again, I have very basic stuff and even Hassan Piker. He was invited to be on with Nick Fuentes. Hassan Piker turned it down.

• 2:09:48Speaker 03

  I wonder why.

• 2:09:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So guess what? You want to come down, talk to your equal, both of you young, both of you guys have influence. Are you willing to do that? You have the invitation. Come on down, have the conversation. Let's see what's happening. Both of them have a big influence. On the right for youth, Nick Fuentes had the biggest livestream. On the left, Hassan Piker may have had the biggest one on the left. So you, both of them have influence. So, but the part for me is conversation. Conversation, conversation. I don't play any of these bullshit games that some of you guys play. It's not everybody. It's a small community. So my challenge to Ron DeSantis is go talk to people and build coalitions. Don't like what Randy Fine did. There's a reason why people look at that and what do they say? You know, you get, you accepted my invitation. Now you want me to control who I'm inviting?

• 2:10:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't get to make that decision. By the way, I also don't have to keep you, meaning you can leave if you want to. But I get to tell the story that you left a moment we saw Fishback. You left a moment we saw Fishback. Okay, great. The market needs to know. You're afraid of talking to people. Why? Why? We gave you the number one livestream for podcasters on the center right. Were you, are you going to be on C-SPAN giving your argument? Do not be afraid of giving your argument. We have the best argument, but you need the backbone. We have the best argument, but you need the backbone and the hope of what's going to happen with the conservative movement? God's on our side, ideas are on our side, numbers are on our side, facts are on our side. Raising kids that become net positive to society who contribute on our side.

• 2:11:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Raising people that are willing to wear the uniform, go proudly, represent their country is on our side. You have the best argument. Double down with conviction. And to everybody else out there, whether it's the Andrews or some of these other guys, that I think Andrews is a very big talent. I think Candace is a talent. And I, I may not agree with some of the things Candace does sometime, but I think she's a talent. I think TPUSA, the husband, created an incredible legacy. You better continue the coalition building. You know who you are. If you don't, that was Charlie's strength. He built coalitions. If you no longer build coalitions, you're not going to get the results that he was building.

• 2:11:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So with that being said, I don't even, I didn't have this in the agenda to go talk like this to you, but at the end of the day, the future looks bright. We're excited about what's happening. And I hope the right people find each other and get tougher, confident, excited because we have the better argument. We have the better argument. Anyways, with that being said, have a great day. I think we got home team podcast. We'll do again when? Friday. We got a couple of interviews that's going to go out today. And if you believe the future looks bright, go to FLB.com, place your order, whether it's the shoe, the hats, the shirts. Represent to the world that you believe the future looks bright. That's why we have this brand here. Take care, everybody. God bless. Bye bye, bye bye.