John Kiriakou: Ex-CIA Officer CONFRONTED Over Zionist Accusations | PBD Podcast #783

Patrick Bet-David confronts Ex-CIA officer and whistleblower John Kiriakou after John called him a "hardcore Zionist." From John's bombshell prediction of the U. S. strike on Iran days before it happened, to why Obama weaponized the Espionage Act against his own intelligence officers, to the deep state cover-ups John witnessed from the inside, to his face-to-face moment with Trump at Mar-a-Lago begging for a pardon, this conversation pulls back the curtain on everything the government doesn't want you to know. Missing scientists, FISA surveillance, John Brennan's alleged soft coup, and a $780,000 pension stolen by the very people John was trying to protect, nothing is off limits. ------ Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH JOHN KIRIAKOU: https://bit.ly/44EhwQL 🎧 JOHN'S PODCAST: https://shorturl.at/yX245 📺 JOHN'S YOUTUBE: https://bit.ly/4lE1YmU Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Patrick Bet-David?

  John, great to have you back on.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  Great to be back. Thanks for the invitation.

• 0:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course. You're everywhere. I see you everywhere.

• 0:04Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 0:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And people are loving you on Minnetonka apparently, because I see you every day. You're getting Minnetons. People are asking you questions. You're actually getting back to people.

• 0:11Speaker 01

  All the time. Oh, yeah. And you know, I looked at the Minnetonka the other day. I'm like, why am I not in the super heavyweight yet?

• 0:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You're close to super heavyweight, no? Are you almost there? Yeah.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  I think I am.

• 0:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Because you're first place in the heavyweight right now. So we have the heavyweight champion in the house right now. So I got a lot of things I want to talk to you about, you know, especially with recent stories with SPLC that you saw that story broke. I'm curious to know what you think about that. The FISA thing, which is like, hey,

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Nixon, Carter, we thought we were going to get away, but now we're kind of like, well, let's keep it. I want to know why you think we're doing that, what the motives are. I have my own ideas of why I think we're doing it. I want to know what you think about it. And then you said something about the vault, which was like, what is this vault? What was it called? Vault 17 or?

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Vault 7.

• 0:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Vault 7. I want to hear about Vault 7. And a few other things with the scientists. You saw the whole scientists where

• 1:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Some of them are

• 1:02Speaker 01

  They're disappearing.

• 1:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Disappearing, suicide, you know, or, you know, missing, or who knows? Like, you can't find these guys. Four of them being from NASA. And then JPL, the other four were from nuclear fusion and weapon. And then three are apparently high clearance security, not really a direct contact. One of them recently, David Wilcox, who said he wasn't going to commit suicide in 2022 in a tweet, apparently just took his own life, which is pretty wild. But I want to get into one thing right off the bat. You were on a podcast, and my phone started blowing up. And I'm like, why is everybody texting me this? Look what John said about you.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  What did I say?

• 1:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, John is about to get on the podcast. So Rob, if you have the clip, I want to start off with this. I'm going to address it one by one by one. I want you to cover this for me. So you're on a podcast. I don't know which podcast this is, but whatever it is, I was texted by everybody with this. So go ahead and play this clip.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  I was watching Patrick Bet David yesterday. Patrick is a A hardcore Zionist, he's Iranian. I don't think he's Jewish. I think he's like half Assyrian and half Armenian.

• 2:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, hang on.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  But he's a hardcore Zionist, and not just a Zionist, he is a like 1,000% backer of Reza Palavi, to return to Iran and to assume the Peacock throne and blah blah blah. And he was saying yesterday that it's not 60% of the Iranian people who support the overthrow of the regime. It is 94%.

• 2:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know when I've ever said that, but okay, let's keep going.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  What polls are you looking?

• 2:37Speaker 02

  There are no polls.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  There are no polls. You just make this shit up to put your stooge in.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  The monarchists are crazy online. I mean, I saw some, they've been passing around the message that Iran only became Muslim 100 years ago.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:55Speaker 02

  No, that was 1,000 years ago.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  1,000 years ago, yes. And I get that there are still Zoroastrians and I get all that.

• 3:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is the funniest part.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Elliot Covert, Patrick Bet David is Jewish? Okay, I stand corrected. I wasn't sure. You're not Jewish?

• 3:11Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I'm not Jewish.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  But I know he's not ethnic Persian, he's Armenian Assyrian.

• 3:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Is there anything else that goes on or?

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, 94% of his friends.

• 3:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Curious enough, because I want to get all of it out.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Well, that's what they do, right? Literally, I've been asking online, like from these, you know, these Persian monarchists.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  See, this is what I get for listening to people in the chat.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Everybody wants the Shah back. I find that very hard to believe, considering how brutal the Shah was and the fact that he was overthrown by his own people, right? I mean, it wasn't like he was couped out by any foreign power, quite to the contrary. So he, but yeah, they literally, these Persian monarchists, they just, they do polls of like their exile.

• 3:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Is there anything else?

• 3:50Speaker 02

  I hate to say this.

• 3:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you can pause it right there. Walk me through this.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Oh, I owe you an apology, it sounds like.

• 3:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but tell me this, I'm not, I don't want an apology. I enjoy talking to you. The last time we spoke, I think out of the seven clips that we posted, three of them was upset Jews because it was comments you made that were bad against Mossad and we played, I thought it was very revealing. I thought it was great. But walk me through each of these. Number one, hardcore Zionist, 100% backer of Palavi, and then 94%? Tell me.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Okay, the reason I said that is because of Netanyahu's appearance, number one.

• 4:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  And

• 4:27Speaker 01

  And the comments that you've made about Palavi, like, why hasn't this guy called me back? I want him on the show. Like, why? He's irrelevant? He's a clown.

• 4:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Why hasn't he called me back? I had him on the show two times.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he, when you first invited him-

• 4:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know why? Do you know what happened there?

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:43Patrick Bet-David?

  He's asking for help. He, because the interviewer, the Iranian interviewer that interviewed me is asking me, "Are you, are you gonna help him? Are you gonna help Reza Palavi?" And we're speaking in Farsi and English. And I said, "No, he asked me for help. I never hea- heard back from him. But I made some very bad remarks about the guy. Have you heard what I've said about them?"

• 5:04Speaker 01

  No, I'd love to.

• 5:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know how, you, you must not know how monarchists think of me right now.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know they can't stand me today?

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Good.

• 5:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Do, no, no, it's not good. I liked his father. I don't think he's a strong leader.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  He's not.

• 5:17Patrick Bet-David?

  He was following me, his wife was following me, his daughter was following me, everybody unfollowed. The monarchists attacked me because I called- Oh, it, it is in shambles with me and that relationship. Brad, maybe play a clip of what I said on the podcast, if you want to play that.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  That's a badge of honor.

• 5:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Are they gonna leave Iran and go, "Cam, by the way, you know what's the biggest thing that Iranian people are saying? Hey, Reza Palavi, why don't you go to Azerbaijan? And, and say a few words from there. Come closer to Iran, show some stuff." He's not doing it. The one thing about Trump, let me tell you what was very crystal clear about Trump, about Millet, about Bukele. You know what it was?

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 5:49Patrick Bet-David?

  They're willing to do the like work, they're willing to go out there, they're willing to pay the, a price, they're willing to drive, they're willing to work their tails off. It's very obvious. We, the markets said, "Who is this crazy Elvis-looking guy from Argentina? There is no way he'll ever win making out with people on stage." Guess what? He won. Who is this Bukele guy that's in his early, mid-thirties? And by the way, let me give you what's gonna be confusing. I have a painting of his dad in my house. So I'm a fan of his father. So this is, this is not like a bash towards the family.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  No, of course.

• 6:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And so, but this is towards, I was critical of him because for 47 years, he's been talking about he wants to have Iran be free. And he didn't do it. And keep in mind, a part of me is, yeah, that's the painting in my house, that's a 15-foot painting. His father's right in the middle. My criticism is of him. But I was watching, and I'm like, "Why? Did somebody tell you I'm a Zionist?"

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you, who's that?

• 6:42Speaker 01

  It was in the, it was in the chat.

• 6:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but-

• 6:44Speaker 01

  I was reading the chat.

• 6:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Did any other influencers that you go and do interviews with, did anybody whisper to you off-camera, "Hey, be careful with Patrick, he's a Zionist"?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was that?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I I don't want to out him like that, but he said, oh, you're going on PBD. I said, yeah. He said, be careful. Patrick comes out swinging on Israel.

• 7:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this a big name?

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a pretty big name.

• 7:05Patrick Bet-David?

  One of the biggest names? So then I know who it is.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  I don't wanna, I don't wanna.

• 7:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Was his family in the CIA before, maybe?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  I I I've got to stop.

• 7:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  But but but I want to apologize on the record because I was wrong.

• 7:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so so that and and the and the uh the BB side, because you know who's the only person in the world that interviewed Bibi and Nick Fuentes within thirty days?

• 7:25Speaker 01

  It's gotta be you.

• 7:26Patrick Bet-David?

  It's only me.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  It's gotta be.

• 7:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You so you know what the problem is with me, John? This is the problem. The same people that want freedom of speech, that pitch it.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't practice it.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:37Patrick Bet-David?

  What do I mean by that? They generally want to only talk to people that agree with them.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You and I don't agree on maybe a few things.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  No, which is why I so enjoy it.

• 7:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I love the conversation because uh my my thoughts are, uh Alicia, just bring it to me, it's totally fine. My thoughts are, it's like, man, I I don't know. He he's a CIA guy. He must know more than I do.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no.

• 7:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He has some experience. I want to know, but.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  No, I'm I'm wrong and I apologize.

• 8:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No, let's go to the other one, because I want to clear all of this up. Let's go to the one about when you said ninety-four percent. I'd love to know when I said ninety-four percent, Rob. Can you take one of the language learning models? Matter of fact, why don't we do both of them? Take uh take ChatGPT and do Grok and ask a question. How do you want to pose this question? What percentage of Iranians don't support the IRGC? What percentage of Iranians don't support the IRGC? Okay, ask the same exact question. So what we'll typically do is we'll ask different and we'll go do our own and then we'll look at the numbers that's being given. Okay.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 8:41Patrick Bet-David?

  This is which one? What does it say? Uh around eighty to ninety-two percent of Iranians appear to not support the IRGC. Based on available polls, support they like them, the direct polling on the IRGC is challenging due to Iran repression, surveillance and self censorship. Okay, great. Leaked internal Iranian government poll nine uh two thousand twenty-five commissioned by the presidency, a confidential report found ninety-two percent of Iranians hate the regime. And that's from Yahoo explicitly including Supreme Leader Khamenei and the IRGC, not just specific officials or pol- uh policies. This was cited by Iranian experts and aligns with widespread dissatisfaction.

• 9:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Gammon is the one that I saw. By the way, I haven't even seen the one above that we're reading for the, go to the Gammon one. Gammon says what? Independent Arts Online Poll 10,000, 13 to 14, I have confidence in the IRGC. So that leaves another 86. And what does it say? Broader regime rejection, only about 15 to 20% want Islamic Republic to continue. 70 to 80% favor regime change or major transformation. High agreement, 70% with designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization in Iran. Can you go to the, is this ChatGPT or Grok?

• 9:48Speaker 01

  That was Grok.

• 9:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's see what ChatGPT says. Zoom in a little bit. Okay, so direct IRGC, 2019 Maryland poll, 80%. Maryland Iran poll, so that's Maryland, so you can criticize that because that's from here, 80%. Gammon is the same one. I think Gammon is from Netherlands, 71% of Iranians oppose. 20% support. So you see what numbers were repeating. We're repeating reports that are coming in. So it's not a...

• 10:12Speaker 01

  You're, you're right and I'm wrong and I apologize.

• 10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I appreciate that. And the, and the last one I want to show you, which is crazy, to get this out of the way so we can have our, uh, uh, conversation, is do you know who I brought on the podcast? Who never agreed to go on the podcast with anybody? And when he came in, he was the most suspicious guy here, looking at me saying, why do you have me on the podcast? You know who it was?

• 10:37Speaker 01

  No, who's that?

• 10:38Patrick Bet-David?

  The co-founder of IRGC.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 10:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That guy right there. Mohsen Sazagadah, okay? Do you know who he was?

• 10:46Speaker 01

  How did I miss that?

• 10:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So check this out. I'm gonna, I'm gonna show this for you. So if you go a little bit lower to see who is, he's the founder of, go a little bit lower. Put IRGC, Ariz, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Can we find the IRGC there with him and Khomeini? Uh, okay, right there in the middle.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  There he is.

• 11:04Patrick Bet-David?

  An Iranian journalist and political, he was the founder of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard. Cor, after the Iranian revolution, he was the guy, it was between him and Khomeini that started the IRGC. My god. He would do the intro to all the tapes. Where they would send in for Iranians to listen before the revolution happened to pin. Palavi's people against him, this was the voice. Wow. Then you hit Khomeini. I had him on the podcast. And the claim was that Savak killed 100,000 people. Now, keep in mind, he's the propaganda guy. Sure. That's at Savak, which is, you know, uh, uh. Intelligence. Palavi's CIA, Palavi's Mossad, right? Right. At the end of the podcast, I wanted to ask him. It's been 40 something years now.

• 11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You were involved. Was it a lie that Shah killed 100,000 people? This is not a fan of me. Right. This is not a Shah, a fan of the Palavi. He did not come in knowing what we were gonna talk about. Look at his answer here. Go ahead, Rob.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  Shah with Khomeini. Let me say my judgment now. That many documents have come out, uh, uh, you know, for instance, on those days, opposition claimed. That 100,000 political prisoners Shah has. Uh, there are 100,000 political prisoners in Iran. That was false.

• 12:26Patrick Bet-David?

  It was only 3,000, 3,500.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  3,000, uh, uh, few hundred.

• 12:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 12:32Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the founder of IRGC.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  Shah with Khomeini, definitely, I, I, I already said. First of all, his personality Shah. Was a better guy than Khomeini. First. Second. Uh. His. What he did for Iran. Because that he believed in, you know, modernization of Iran. Was definitely better than Islamic Republic. As I said.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause. I would suggest if you wanna watch it, watch it. It's fascinating.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  I absolutely will.

• 13:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll text it to you. I think you'll enjoy it, but. These are my positions. My concern is, John, people that have had good relationships, there's this one guy that I think he's the head of the snake. That behind closed doors is creating division and creating rumors and stories about, and he's a very influential guy. Could be the same guy that told you stuff about me. Very heavyweight guy, very, very heavyweight guy. I think we're talking about the same person. If I tell you I've heard 10 people. That he said stuff about me behind closed doors, that's a small number.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 13:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So this keeps coming back to me, I'm like, what is his issue? What is his challenge? We won't talk about the name because I don't want you to be in an uncomfortable position. I'm not going to push that topic. All I'm saying is, I wanted to make sure I presented this to you.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 13:49Patrick Bet-David?

  And any pushback you have, please go for it. I'm all ears.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  No, no, I owe you an apology, as I said. You've shown me wrong, and I'm sorry that I perpetuated an untruth.

• 14:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, I don't even know what a Zionist is. What does a Zionist mean nowadays? It's like an N-word, like people, God forbid, they say...

• 14:06Speaker 01

  You know, I think...

• 14:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you say Zionist is?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  I think that the definition of Zionism has changed.

• 14:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Now, I think it's much more, well, depending on your point of political view, more reactionary or more radical than it was when it originated in the UK in the late 19th century. Now, it is, now, it is...

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• 17:01Speaker 01

  It is political Judaism strictly for political purposes, not for religious purposes, at the cost of everything else. I had lunch yesterday with, with Mother Agapia, who was on the Tucker Carlson Show a couple of months back. She's a, she's a Greek Orthodox, actually, she's, she's Greek Orthodox, but she's in the Russian Orthodox Archdiocese of Jerusalem. And, and we talked about this, and she said in the 25 or so years that she's lived in Israel, that it's changed dramatically. And she said it's changed dramatically because of politics. The religion hasn't changed in thousands of years.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  It's the politics that have changed and have made it so difficult. She asked me, when was the last time I was in Israel? I said 2022 was the last time I went.

• 17:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Just a few years ago.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, a few years ago. I was actually afraid I wouldn't be able to get in, but I didn't have any problems at all, had a wonderful time. Was appalled at some of the, the, um, oh, some of the social situations I saw in the West Bank. I've never been to Gaza. I've never seen it with my own eyes. Didn't have a desire to go, you know, on my own. And, um, and it's dramatically worse just since 2022.

• 18:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Dramatically worse since 2022.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  For Palestinians, yeah.

• 18:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it, yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  In the, in the West Bank. I mean, in Gaza, obviously, there's a war going on.

• 18:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  But I'm talking about in the West Bank.

• 18:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Your experience when you went there?

• 18:38Speaker 01

  I have to say, I loved every minute of it.

• 18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So your experience was a good experience?

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:44Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think, you think the criticism, because it's becoming such a nasty, like, it's almost, I, I talk to people and some people are like, I don't even go on Twitter anymore.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  I actually dropped, I mean, I have a guy that runs my Twitter, but I, I don't go on Twitter anymore.

• 18:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, because it's almost like, each of the social media accounts, they have their own nasty bots that you attack and, you know, it's part of the game. You can't have an opinion and not expect people to push back. The moment you say, I believe LeBron James is the worst goat of all time. You're gonna have people that are gonna debate the moment you have an opinion on that, but I think I'm right. I think he's the worst, uh, greatest athlete of all time because he whines so much and he bitches so much. And go ahead and talk about it, watch the comment section, right? So, so we can't be like, oh my God, don't call me out, it's unfair, I feel bad. I don't think that's the problem. We deserve to be called that. Like, we deserve to, like, what we just did right now. Hey, you said it, great. I addressed it. I apologize, great, we move on and we can have our own conversations together. I just think it's creating division.

• 19:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I just think it's creating a level of divisiveness. Do, do you think a part of it is that guys are afraid of others getting paid? Like, would you trust people that are getting paid from a government you don't trust? So let's just say, some influencers are getting paid from AIPAC or Israel. Some influencers are getting paid from Russia. Some influencers are getting paid from Qatar. Some influencers are getting paid, you think that's what the fear is, where the market believes that people are paid mouthpieces, that you don't trust them?

• 20:10Speaker 01

  I think that's probably a part of it. But I think that the other part, and a very powerful part, is, is professional jealousy. Yeah, I think, I feel very strongly that a lot of this is professional jealousy. I hear it about you, I hear it about Tucker, I hear it about Sean Ryan. People are jealous, they're jealous of people's success. And, you know, what easier thing to do than to just go on Twitter and start yelling about somebody?

• 20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  There's a, there's an influencer, I'm not even gonna say her name because she doesn't deserve for her name to be said, uh, who just, out of the clear blue sky, attacked me viciously a couple of weekends ago. I was never important enough to attack, and I've never met this woman, and just came out and attacked.

• 20:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Heavyweight or middleweight?

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Heavyweight.

• 21:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's a heavyweight?

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it, yeah.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  And, uh, I, uh, I'm a communist, nobody in my, I'm decidedly capitalist, first of all. Nobody's ever in my life called me a communist, and I actually had to chuckle out loud when I read it, that I'm a communist, I'm a spy for the Russians. No, I have a TV show that, uh, that is produced by a company in Miami, and RT International happens to license it. So they run it, other platforms run it, all of a sudden I'm a Russian spy. Like, "Oh, you figured that out all by yourself, huh? Oh, he's got a TV show that runs once a week on this Russian network, he must be a Russian spy." And a communist.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Like, newsflash, have you ever been to a history class? There are no communists running Russia anymore. Not for a very long time. But, you know, she's rolled out of bed, I say this all the time, and my friends hate when I say it because it's mean spirited, but any slob can roll out of bed, log on to YouTube, or Twitter, and criticize. That doesn't mean we have to respond to them.

• 22:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's gonna be nonstop. It is, it is not gonna be, that's not gonna slow down anytime soon. And, and I wonder like, what words no longer carry weight? I don't know if being called a communist carries the weight of the eighties.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  No, exactly. Exactly.

• 22:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think that does.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  In the eighties, that might, that might have stung a little bit.

• 22:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, like bigot. Today, does bigot, does bigot have the meaning today of the nineties? I don't think so.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Do you remember this, this little mini trend on, on Facebook when Covid first started? Uh, admit to, to, um, prejudice. And I thought, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this. So I go on Facebook, I said, I admit I am prejudiced against Amish people. I am. I grew up with the Amish. I don't like them. They're mean, mean spirited. They talk about. They talk about.

• 23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You posted this on Facebook?

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And people jumped all over me. I'm like, people, I'm joking. It's a joke. What's wrong with you? People need to lighten up.

• 23:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  But this, this, this is the current situation we find ourselves in.

• 23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  We are, we are. It's a, and I, and I hope, I don't know if with the, so, I do think we're gonna get to a point where, you know, you know how today, Las Vegas, I don't know if you've been to Vegas, I'm sure you've traveled all the time. Vegas isn't what it used to be 20 years ago.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Not a chance.

• 23:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You go to Vegas, it's like, it's a frickin' ghost town. Like, it used to be packed.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  Yes, it did.

• 23:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, and then you see the stats where they're saying, why is Vegas having a hard time today? And, and you'll see numbers where they're saying Vegas having a hard time because they're no longer, kids are no longer drinking alcohol like they used to. Uh, going and hooking up today, I don't need to go to Vegas, there's Tinder. So everything Vegas offered, I now have access locally and I'm no longer interested in drinking alcohol like a lot of, you know, maybe I did back in the days. And so to me, I think we're gonna come to a point where people are gonna go on social media diets. I really believe that. I think, I think people are gonna go on phone diets. I think people are gonna be like, dude, I am setting this guy aside. I'll come in to get my information that I need, but I'm not going through it the way I was addicted. Just, what did they call it? Is it death scrolling or doom scroll?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, doom scroll.

• 24:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Doom scrolling, just kinda going through it, man. That can really, that probably has some effects on people today.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  I think it probably, you know what? I'll admit another thing. I doom scroll at night, but you know, funny thing, the algorithm is relatively quick about determining what interests you. I have never seen one of my own shorts. Never, not one. What I watch all friggin' night long, cause I'm laying in bed, is people filming in public.

• 24:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Like taking pictures of people's license plates, and then the people who are in the cars lose their minds and get out, and then they have to get pepper sprayed, and then the cops come. I love that stuff.

• 25:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Because it's all about the First Amendment, right? But I've never seen my own shorts.

• 25:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I've seen a lot of your shorts.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 25:16Patrick Bet-David?

  One thing, one thing I do is, I, I watch this, this Jamaican pastor. I've probably seen him preach a couple hundred times. Rob, have you seen that clip or no? No. Well, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna find it or not. This guy just, this, this guy fires me up. He's so funny. But anyways, it just tells you the, the appetite and what things we're interested in. Okay, so let's, let's go into your shoes. Um, Iran, uh, uh, war, US, I think you were the first one that said, three days before the attack, that it was gonna happen. I think you said it on the 19th, was it March 19th? And Mark is like, what's he talk, do you have that clip?

• 25:51Speaker 01

  I took a lot of shit for that, too.

• 25:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you did, but you ended up being right when you announced it. You said, hey, here's what I think is going on. Ex CIA agent reveals US could attack Iran as early as Monday. And you said that on the 19th, 20th, I don't know the exact dates. And, Rob, if you have the video, I wouldn't mind showing it because to, to give him credit that he was the first guy that announced it, and it happened. And so how did you know? Where, where did the information come from?

• 26:16Speaker 01

  The truth is, I've got a friend at the White House. I have friends at the Pentagon, friends at the CIA, friends at the FBI. And this was the criticism too, Patrick. A guy, a guy posted a comment like, "Oh, we're supposed to believe that, that people just walk out of the White House and walk up to this criminal and tell him classified defense secrets?" And I'm like, "Yeah, that's exactly what you should believe, because that's what happened." So I've got friends all over Washington. I've been in Washington for 44 years, right? We're all neighbors and we hang out together. I'm the only person in my church who's not

• 26:57Speaker 01

  a retired Colonel or Lieutenant Colonel in the military, seriously. It's like a VFW meeting at church every Sunday. And, uh, and so, yeah, a friend of mine said, "Hey, listen, uh, there's some shit going on at the White House." I said, "Yeah, what are you hearing?" He said, "We really are going to attack Iran."

• 27:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this a CIA guy or no? Is this a...

• 27:16Speaker 01

  He's a, uh, I should probably protect his...

• 27:19Patrick Bet-David?

  If it's military or intel...

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Military.

• 27:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Military, okay.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Military.

• 27:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And he said, "We're probably gonna be attacking on Monday."

• 27:25Speaker 01

  And I said, "Well, wait a minute, wait a minute." I said, "I've been really hedging my, my language here." And what I've been saying, this is what I told him, what I've been saying is, one of the very first lessons that I learned at the CIA is that if you want to determine American military intentions, watch naval movements. You know, we can fly troops out all over the place, it doesn't make any difference. If you're gonna send an entire aircraft carrier strike group, you mean business. If you're gonna send two of them, you're going to war. And we sent two.

• 27:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  And that was the determination I made.

• 27:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. So that was given to you. You and, is this it, Rob?

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 28:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Go forward.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  I have a friend, uh, former CIA officer, who was at the White House this morning, talking to his friends, and he says that a decision has been made to attack Iran on Monday or Tuesday. The President yesterday gave the Iranians 10 days to, uh...

• 28:23Speaker 01

  To, you know, accept our proposals for an end to their ballistic missile program, an end to, to their uranium enrichment program.

• 28:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's pretty wild. See, so let me ask you, when, when normally, because you're in the community and people talk, right? Like I'm in the financial industry, I was, no longer, I sold my company almost four years ago.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  You still have friends?

• 28:46Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure. So, i- i- when that happens, because there's two different ways of leaking information. The one information is leaking where it's like, talk about it, drop it. One information is, John, please don't say this to anybody else.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one was this?

• 29:02Speaker 01

  I think this was, please don't say this to anybody else, to him.

• 29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  To him?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Because this was real military planning. He panicked and said something to me. But you're exactly right. There are two different kinds of leaks. First of all, the White House and the Pentagon leak like a sieve. But usually those leaks are authorized leaks. Let's get an idea what public opinion's gonna be.

• 29:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Let's just see what the networks say if we do X. That's not what this is.

• 29:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That's been happening for decades. This is just, don't tell anybody, and you ended up, you ended up sharing it and then ended up being right. So again, and this isn't Joe Kent that you were talking about.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no. No, I've never met Joe Kent.

• 29:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You and Joe don't have a relationship.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:44Patrick Bet-David?

  That would be an interesting podcast of the two of you guys.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  I would enjoy that very much. You know what, what I did, as soon as he went public, I, I called a producer that I know, and I said, any chance you have Joe Kent's contact information? Because I'm a member of this group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, VIPS, and we wanted to give him our, it's called the Sam Adams Award for Integrity and Intelligence. And so she sent me his, his info and we gave him the award.

• 30:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Beautiful.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  But I've never spoken to the man.

• 30:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you, what do you think where we are now? So if, if you, if that was then, that this is happening, is there any talks today of this coming to an end? Because it was supposed to be a ceasefire. Alright, let's do ceasefire. Eh, I don't know if both sides committed to the full ceasefire, but let's just say it was a seize-ish fire that they did. Yesterday, yesterday at 4:45 in the morning our time, Iran attacks three ships. They seize two of them. One is from Panama. I think one of them is from Greece, if I'm not mistaken.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  It is.

• 30:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So they take that. And so they, and then President Trump is like, the ceasefire is continuing indefinitely. What does that really mean? The negotiations are going back and forth. Where do you think we are today?

• 30:56Speaker 01

  I think the situation is unique because Donald Trump is president. Donald Trump has this innate ability to spin things better than any previous president, I believe. I could actually see Donald Trump saying in a nationally televised announcement, "We won. It's all over. We're coming home." I could see that happening. I'm not saying it's gonna happen tomorrow, but I could see it ending that way. Now, with that said, I think that this is one of those times where we need to let the diplomats do what they're trained to do. We have not made great use of the Omanis. We've not made great use of the Gutteries or the Algerians.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  I mean, these are all countries that we work with, work through over the course of decades to carry out diplomatic communications with Iran. I think the bottom line is, we have one idea of what we want from Iran, but the Israelis have a different idea. You notice, for example, the president announces a ceasefire in Lebanon and boom, 24 hours later, the Israelis bomb. It's because we have competing interests. You know, there's this old saying in Washington, "There's no such thing as permanent friends, just permanent interests." Well, our interests diverge with those of the Israelis on, on some of these issues, specifically Iran and Lebanon.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  So I think really, Patrick, the bottom line is, at the end of this, we're gonna end up with something that looks very much like the JCPOA. And we're just gonna say, "Up, we won. It's all over. We have this agreement. Peace is at hand." I think the real sticking point is going to be what to do with the uranium that's already been enriched, even if it's only 60% or 80% or whatever it is it happens to be. The American position is that they have to give it to us. The old position was they could transfer it to China, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia. We've changed our position on that. It has to come to us. They won't send it to us. That's going to be a sticking point.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  But otherwise, you know what? I think that, I think that this conflict has also brought to light some American weaknesses. And I think the most important one is that the conflict has pushed the Iranians deeper into the embrace of China, Russia, and India. All three of them, all four of them are BRICS countries. We also know that there are rumblings of a unified BRICS currency. It's probably 30 years down the road, but it's going to happen one of these days. I think this conflict is going to make it happen a little bit more quickly, and that's going to further weaken the United States.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  So if, if, for example, the international community either drops the petrodollar or begins trading, buying oil in yuan, we're screwed. It's going to have a long-term deleterious effect on the American economy. And I think that this conflict pushed things in that direction.

• 34:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and behind closed doors, China apparently got caught sending a ship

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:18Patrick Bet-David?

  where the president said, "They send them a gift." What's in the gift? Well, it's a secret. I can't tell you what's in the gift, but it was what, chemical?

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Missile, uh, uh, weapons, you know, kind of helping them out to have some missiles to defend themselves.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 34:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you know, we've always known they've been close because when, when China signed that 25-year deal with Iran, I don't know what the number was, 400 billion dollars, 300 billion dollars, it was a big number. We've always seen them being close and Iran being close to Russia because Iran would sell

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 34:48Patrick Bet-David?

  their, is it Shavit, uh, uh, drones, the drones that they make?

• 34:52Speaker 01

  They pump those drones out like nobody's business.

• 34:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So it kind of reminds you what happened with Ukraine and Russia where Ukraine was attacking with their small drones and they're the best producers of drones. So you see similarities there, but the difference is Ukraine was protected by NATO.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, so in us, because it was under Biden, so they got so much money and funding, so Russia has to kind of sit there and say, what are we going to do here?

• 35:18Speaker 01

  That's why everybody's so shocked at revelations that the Russians and the Chinese are giving the Iranians targeting information. Of course they're giving them targeting information.

• 35:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Not shocked.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  We give the Ukrainians targeting information.

• 35:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  This is we, the Russians did this to us in Vietnam.

• 35:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but the difference is, which you said is very important. You said the difference is the Trump effect, right? He knows how to negotiate. If there's anything we've learned from 2016 to 2026 in choosing presidents. If you ask somebody a question in 2000, what qualities do you want in a president? Top five, they would say diplomacy, you know, being presidential, you know, great orator. I don't know what else you put in there, right? You would probably put a few different things, you know, good understanding of foreign affairs and all this stuff. You know what people are realizing from 16 to today? Negotiation skills.

• 36:16Patrick Bet-David?

  And the guy's a phenomenal negotiator. Obama wasn't a negotiator.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  No, he wasn't a negotiator.

• 36:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Biden wasn't a negotiator.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I'm not sure Biden knew he was president.

• 36:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You're right. I mean, that was like a, you know, very funny situation. So there's a, so the part becomes, Trump uses the pulpit to speak to his allies and enemies. You know, I thought Xi and I were friends. He said, but it's okay. Maybe that's what happens. We'll see what will take place. I hope he's not doing it. But if he is, I'll have a conversation with him. Who knows what we'll do?

• 36:46Speaker 01

  I have to add too, the Democrats have consistently underestimated him. They treat him like he's an idiot, like he's some kind of a buffoon, and he's not. He knows exactly what he's doing.

• 37:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you still support him? Do you still support him? Do you think he is?

• 37:02Speaker 01

  You know, I.

• 37:03Patrick Bet-David?

  If no cameras on, we're at a place, no one's famous, people you trust. Would you say you're happy he's your president today instead of anybody else?

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I would say that.

• 37:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  I would say that.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  I have very strong feelings about the Democrats. They're strongly negative is what they are. I believe that behind the smiling faces and the advanced, you know, college degrees, it's just a cabal of criminals coming out of that Obama administration and extending into the Biden administration. Yes, the Trump administration has had problems too. But, for example, when Cash Patel was was named FBI director, I celebrated because the FBI's broke in and it needed to be torn down to its studs. Same with the CIA. Now, that

• 37:58Speaker 01

  hasn't necessarily happened, but at least the idea was there, the thought was there. And instead, it's the Democrats that have become the party of the status quo. It's the Democrats that have become the party of the of the deep state. And we need to shake things up. I've been in Washington for 44 years, Patrick. I moved to Washington the week after I turned 18 years old to go to college. And back then, you know, Democrats and Republicans used to live in these group houses up on Capitol Hill. They'd play poker on Fridays. They'd go to church together on Sundays. Everybody was friends.

• 38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Forty-four is what? What year is?

• 38:34Speaker 01

  1982.

• 38:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. So this is pre-Reagan. This is about-

• 38:38Speaker 01

  It was when Reagan was first elected. He'd been president for a year when I moved to Washington.

• 38:42Patrick Bet-David?

  What a time to move to DC.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  I'll say.

• 38:45Patrick Bet-David?

  What a time to move to DC.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. And I'll tell you a funny story. Don't think less of me. It was really cold one night, and I wanted to go for a walk. And nobody would go for a walk with me. I lived, I was going to GW University, George Washington University, two blocks, three blocks from the White House. It was December. It was cold. Nobody wanted to go for a walk. So my girlfriend said, okay, I'll go for a walk with you. So we walk around the White House, when you could walk around the White House. Now it's impossible. But we noticed that the, let me think, that the West Gate was open. And I said, oh, something's gonna happen. Let's stand here for a second. And sure enough, Reagan pulls out in the presidential limousine. He's going, as it turned out, he was going to the Kennedy Center for the Kennedy Center Honors.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  I thought that I hated Reagan at the time, I was 18 years old. But it's the President of the United States, so I started to applaud.

• 39:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Even though you hate him, because you were liberal at the time.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  He's the President, I was liberal at the time. He's the President, I started applauding him. They stop the limousine and he rolls the window down.

• 39:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  I got chills, look at this.

• 39:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  I got chills thinking about it. And my girlfriend's like, "Oh my God." And so, we said, "Keep..." I go, "Keep up the good work, Mr. President."

• 40:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Even though you're not for him.

• 40:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And your girlfriend, I'm assuming, is also not for him.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Afterward, she's like, "You know, you can't tell anybody that this just happened, right?" Said, "I can't believe he stopped the car."

• 40:12Patrick Bet-David?

  What a story. Did he step out, or did he pull down the window?

• 40:15Speaker 01

  It was freezing cold, he just rolled down the window and he said, "Thanks for your support," like that.

• 40:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, 18 years old.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  And then, years later, my brother's visiting me from LA. And we're walking down Constitution Avenue, there used to be like a little tiny Barnes & Noble in the National Press Club at, what is that, 14th and Pennsylvania Avenue. So we're walking down the street and we noticed two limos parked there. And my brother said, "Oh, I wonder who this is." I said, "It's probably a cabinet member, you see him around town all the time." And he says, "Well, let's wait, let's wait, I want to see who it is." I'm like, "Okay." So we're standing there, and then out of the Barnes & Noble comes Bill Clinton with Chelsea. It's a Sunday morning, they just went in to buy some books.

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• 43:29Speaker 01

  And I didn't know what to say, so I just shout, "Keep abortion safe and legal, Bill."

• 43:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You didn't say that.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  And he goes, "I'm trying," and he comes over and shakes hands.

• 43:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He, by the way, he is the smoothest out of all of them.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I've got some Clinton stories, man.

• 43:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you, like face to face?

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Face to face from my CIA days.

• 43:47Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened?

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, I was assigned to the American Embassy in Athens, Greece, from 1998 to 2000. This is immediately after the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

• 43:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Wolsey is, was Wolsey the CIA, the director of CIA?

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Wolsey had left.

• 44:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause he was only there for two years.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, he left in 94.

• 44:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's after.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  And was replaced by John Deutsch, who was horrible. So, we get this notification from the White House, the President's gonna come to Greece. We ask, the Ambassador asked him, it was Nick Burns at the time, "Please don't come on the 17th of November." Because 17 November is the name of the big terrorist group that's active in Greece, because that's the day that the, that the military attacked the Athens Polytechnic University, killed dozens of students. He comes right on the 17th of November. It's like the worst possible day of the year, but anyway. The Ambassador had us pull jobs out of a hat, like literally he had a hat, and with jobs written on scraps of paper. I was the luckiest guy, hit the lottery that day.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  I pulled out, my job was to be the note taker in the President's meeting with the Prime Minister. So, the meeting is at the Intercontinental Hotel in the Presidential Suite, almost the entire top floor of the hotel. And it's, it's Clinton, Secretary of State Albright, National Security Advisor Berger, the Ambassador, and me. And for the Greeks, it was the Prime Minister, the Defense Minister, the Foreign Minister, and the Greek note taker. So, we go there, there was a table, almost the whole length of the room, just covered in food, and coffee, and tea, and drinks, and anything your heart desired was there. So, everybody comes in. And they sit down, I'm standing against one wall with my notebook.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  The Greek note taker is standing against the opposite wall with his notebook. And the president says to the prime minister, "Can I offer you a cup of coffee, a tea, something to eat?" "No," and this one says, "No."

• 45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  President offered a prime minister.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then he turns to me and he says, "May I offer you something to eat?" I said, "Oh, no, thank you, Mr. President. I'm good." And he goes, "Are you with me?"

• 46:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I got it.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  And I said, "Yes, sir, I'm with you." And he said, "I thought you were Greek." And I said, "I kinda am, but I'm not, but I'm with you." So, I'm ready to take notes in this incredibly important meeting. And it's, "We love you. You love us. We have lots and lots of Greeks in America. They own all the diners. They're all successful. You're the birthplace of democracy and mathematics and medicine, and we love you." And then the Greeks are like, "We love you too." When our economy couldn't handle all these Greeks in the 20s and 30s, they went to America and you gave them a chance, and we love you." And I'm like waiting for something important to write down, there's nothing.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  So, at the end of it, everybody stands up, they all shake hands, Clinton hugs everybody, and they leave. Then, Clinton walks out with Albright. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's right. And then Burger walks out with the ambassador. So, I walk out after them. And I'm standing about two feet away from Clinton and Albright. They finish their conversation, Albright goes to the other two. So, I'm just standing there, two feet away from Clinton. And just as she walks away, the elevator at the end of the hall opens up and Hillary walks off with Chelsea.

• 47:19Patrick Bet-David?

  There we go. Story's about to change.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  She has this puss on her face, like this. She walks right up to us. And one thing about Clinton, I noticed it from the very moment that I met him. He hates silence. He wants to be Josh. And joking and laughing and telling stories and and she's just standing there looking at him.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  And so he says, "We sure had a good time at the Parthenon this morning, didn't we, Hill?" She's just staring at him. So he repeats himself. "We sure had a good time at the Parthenon this morning, didn't we, Hill?" And she says, "Jesus Christ, Bill, it's raining all day. I'll be in the room." And she walks between us and I'm looking at him like, "You poor man."

• 48:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  "You have to sleep next to that every night?" He looks right at me and he goes, "Let's get out of here." So the two of us walk to the elevator, the Secret Service runs after us, and then everybody else files in. We go down to the basement. There are 500 screaming women from the Greek, Greek-American Business Women's Association. And he gave this raucous, you know, vintage Bill Clinton. It was that Clinton magic that people used to talk about. I saw it with my own eyes.

• 48:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's funny that I can't tell you how many stories of people you ask of Clinton, Bill, how many of them is positive?

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Of how he was and how it is with Hillary. We were at a...

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Oh, she was just awful.

• 48:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the only experience with Hillary?

• 48:53Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I encountered her a number of times. After I left the agency, I was the chief investigator on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And she had just left the committee to become Secretary of State. So she used to come back all the time and she was impossible. Impossible. I mean, they all are at that, at that level. John Kerry was the one who, see, now you got me on a roll. I'm going to be criticizing everybody. But John Kerry hired me just, just as he became the chairman in January of 2009. He called me and said, "I'm going to reconstitute the investigative function at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Would you like to be the investigator?" And I said, "I'd love to be the investigator."

• 49:35Speaker 01

  So he said, "I want to make an impact. We want to, you know, root out wrongdoing." I said, "Great." Nothing could have been further from the truth. And I'll, I'll tell you why, if you don't mind me rambling on for a moment. Before I went up to the Hill, I struck up something of a, of a...

• 49:54Speaker 01

  A proper friendship with Mac McClarty, who had been Clinton's chief of staff. Mac had partnered with Henry Kissinger to make Kissinger McClarty Associates that became McClarty Associates. And Mac gave me an office in his suite of offices. It was a very generous thing to do. So Bill Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico, congressman, secretary of energy, ambassador of the United Nations, he was also at McClarty Associates. And Bill and I totally hit it off. I loved this guy. I even voted for him for president after he dropped out of the race.

• 50:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  I did. He's just a wonderful guy. He's passed away now, but he's a wonderful, wonderful man. So he came up to me one day and he said, hey, listen, can you keep a secret? I said, of course. And he said, I invited Obama to my house to watch the Super Bowl. This was in 2000, January of 2008, before the primaries. He said, at halftime, we went for a walk. And he had like a thousand acres of wasteland out in New Mexico. So he says, Obama, he put his arm around my shoulder and he said, Bill, if you endorse me and you bring the Hispanics, secretary of state. And I said, oh, my God, that's fantastic. It's what Richardson always wanted.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  He said, I want you to be my deputy chief of staff. I said, done. I want to be ambassador to Greece in the second term. And he says, yeah. He says, great. Everybody's gonna have a good time. We're gonna, we're gonna make an impact. I said, great. I run home, I tell my wife, oh, my God, I'm gonna be the deputy chief of staff at state. So fast forward a year and Obama wins the election. And I'm in the shower one day. I've got the radio going to listen to the news and they said, former secretary of energy, Bill Richardson was named by President-elect Obama today as the secretary of commerce.

• 51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  That state.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Uh-uh. So I go into the office and I go, I go, Mr. Secretary, congratulations. And he comes up to me, he goes, what the fuck do I know about commerce?

• 52:04Speaker 01

  And I said, I said, "No, no, no, no, you're looking at this wrong. We can make this into something." There's the Foreign Commercial Service, there's the International Trade Representative. Tough it out for four years, you become Secretary of State in the second term. This is good. We can, we can make this work. Week later, he quits. Just drops out. Okay, so fast forward.

• 52:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean he drops out?

• 52:26Speaker 01

  He dropped out, he was never Secretary.

• 52:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Withdraw a month later, as he was being investigated for possible improper business dealings.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they never indicted him. There was always this rumor that he had done something improper, and nobody ever could vocalize it. So, I go to Capitol Hill, I become the chief investigator in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and um, one thing about John Kerry, Kerry always thought, always, that he was smarter than everybody else. And so, his speechwriters would write these speeches, and he would always go off-script and just start winging it. And he always made himself look foolish. So I go with him to this speech at the Brookings Institution. And he's giving the speech, he's reading the speech, and then he goes off-topic and he says, "You know, I was supposed to be the Secretary of State. I invited Obama over to my house at Christmas."

• 53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Uh huh. And he says, "We went for a walk after dinner."

• 53:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Kerry saying this?

• 53:23Speaker 01

  And he says, "Obama put his arm around my shoulder, and he said, 'John, if you endorse me, and if you do it before the Kennedys do it,'" Secretary of State. And he says, "I got screwed out of it. I was supposed to be Secretary of State." So I'm in the front row, and I'm going like this.

• 53:39Patrick Bet-David?

  To him?

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, like discreetly. Like, "You're off-topic, and this is not an issue you should be talking about in public." So afterwards, he says, "I know I shouldn't have said that story, I know I should..." And I said, "Bill Richardson has exactly the same story." I said, "Barack Obama promised half a dozen people that they would be Secretary of State. That's the kind of person he is." He duped all of you guys.

• 54:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's not like he was telling Bill's story, it's that Obama told this to a bunch of people, and didn't keep the promise?

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Nope. He lied to everybody.

• 54:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Unfreaking believable. Now you wonder how much of that is a pattern that happens often?

• 54:20Speaker 01

  I wonder, or if it was specific, if he's some kind of sociopath. But I'll tell you, the reason why I started telling you the story is as the investigator, he wouldn't let me investigate anything because he didn't want to piss off Obama. He so desperately wanted to be Secretary of State. So I'm doing like the Dashtilali massacre in northern Afghanistan. I go to Afghanistan, I go to Dashtilali, they're like bones sticking out of the ground, still have the clothing on them. I come back, I'm like, we have to investigate this. He's like, you're gonna kill that investigation. I said, Senator, you're the one who told me to go on the investigation. Well, you know, it's, it happened a long time ago and all these years have passed and it's time to look forward. It's like, okay, all right.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  And then somebody emails me and says, hey, you know, in the new American passports, they had these smart chips in them. I said, yeah, the chips are made in China. I said, seriously? Yeah, you have to investigate it. So I investigate it. I go to state, I go to the manufacturer, all the chips are made in China and the passports are assembled in Thailand. They're not even assembled in the United States, American passports. So I write up a memo and I said, look, this, this is potentially a problem. I'm not saying the Chinese have hacked into our passports. I'm saying that this could be a problem. Maybe, just maybe we should, we should manufacture our own passports in the United States. He's like, don't release that investigation. I said, why not? Well, we don't want to embarrass the, embarrass the White House. I'm like, are you gonna let me do anything?

• 55:50Speaker 01

  I ended up resigning after two years. He wouldn't let me do anything because he wanted to be Secretary of State.

• 55:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, he almost became a president until he did the flip flopping thing. What was it? He went to one place, I don't know when it was, but it was the flip flopping where it's like, it's over for this guy. He gave two different messages.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  He did.

• 56:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he going against Bush? He was going against Bush, right?

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Bush in 04 and the only reason he didn't become president was Ohio. It was that close.

• 56:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Didn't they go to Yale together?

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, they went to Yale together.

• 56:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What an interesting matchup for both of them to be part of the skull and bones and...

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, at the same time. And funny enough, because Kerry was supposed to be such an intellectual. Bush's grades were better than Kerry.

• 56:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Bush's grades were better than Kerry.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  It was like an inside joke for us. Let me tell you one other John Kerry thing. The first time I met him, he called me and invited me to come up to the office for a conversation. So, I said, "Oh, I'd love to come up and have a conversation." He was in the Russell Building, which is the historic Senate Office Building, the oldest one. It's where all the big hearings have been held through history. So I go up there, and you go into his private office with these, you know, 15-foot ceilings, and literally from the floor to the ceiling, covering an entire wall, and it's about the size of your wall here. There were framed pictures of him with every leader in the world, from Gorbachev to the Dalai Lama. Everybody that matters.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  But when you first walk in, right here on the side, there was a credenza. It had three things on it that struck me immediately. One was a picture of him in an embrace with John Lennon, and they're like goofing. Very cool. Who wouldn't want a picture of himself with John Lennon like that? Then, on the other side, it was a picture of him with Peter, Paul, and Mary, the folk singers. And, uh, I knew that they were close, and he gave the eulogy at Mary Travers' funeral. And then, in the middle, was a shadow box. And in the shadow box, it had his Silver Star, his Bronze Stars, and his Purple Heart.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  But he famously threw those medals over the White House fence to protest the Vietnam War. So I'm looking at that like, "What?" Like, everybody knows, everybody in America knows he threw those medals over the White House fence. So, we did the meeting, he offered me the job, and I accepted it. And, uh...

• 58:25Speaker 01

  The chief of staff says, "Well, how did it go?" I said, "It went really well. He offered me the job and I said yes, but I got a question." I said, "The shadow box with the medals." I said, "What's up with that?" Everybody knows he threw those medals away. And he goes, "Are you kidding?" He said, "Those medals are the most important things in his life." He went to the PX that morning and he bought copies.

• 58:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  And he threw the copies over the White House.

• 58:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  I said, "Nobody in America knows that."

• 58:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. Has that story been told?

• 58:53Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 58:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. So that was a whole, you know, spectacle to just get...

• 58:59Speaker 01

  It's all for show.

• 59:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  But it put him on the map. He ran for lieutenant governor of, uh, he ran for Congress and lost, ran for lieutenant governor and won, then ran for Congress and won, and then when Paul Tsongas retired, uh, he became a senator.

• 59:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you know, he'll go down as one of the biggest heavyweights. He's a heavyweight on the, on the, on the, you know, Democratic side.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And the Bill guy that you were talking about, I think the Bill guy was, I don't know what happened with him, but there was some recent files that came up with him and, uh, Epstein, if I'm not mistaken.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Yes. Oh, it broke my heart.

• 59:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Nine times he reached out to Epstein and whatever, even after he was, uh, convicted and he even visited the island. I don't know if he, including a visit to Epstein's island.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Heartbreaking.

• 59:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Richardson Schedule means what Epstein has, latest 2018, according to emails, including a batch of more than 3 million documents released. Yeah, so...

• 59:51Speaker 01

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• 1:00:17Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you handle some of this stuff yourself? Cause you, you, you spend a lot of time with these guys.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I spent a lot of time with these guys. You know, when I was a kid, well, a kid, when I was in college, I used to buy this, this book every two years called The Almanac of American Politics, written by Michael Bron and Brant Fujimori. It's, it's the bible of American politics. The, uh, The Almanac of American Politics. There it is. And... I was just so thrilled to be in Washington, going to school in Washington every Friday. I never had Friday classes, so every Friday I'd take my Almanac of American Politics. I'd go to Capitol Hill and I'd get autographs from congressmen and senators.

• 1:00:58Patrick Bet-David?

  At what age?

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Eighteen. And I was working for my congressman, Congressman Joe Coulter. He was a conservative Democrat from Western Pennsylvania, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-labor. The old school kind of Democrat.

• 1:01:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  And he came into the office one day. The woman I was sitting next to, she was engaged to a lobbyist. He happened to be standing there. And the congressman came in the office one day and he goes, "I got laid last night." And because I was an innocent kid, I turned to the woman and I said, "He's lying. Mrs. Coulter's in Pittsburgh right now."

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  And I was like, "Oh, shit. Mrs. Coulter's in Pittsburgh right now."

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  And then the lobbyist said to me, "Buddy, you gotta stop idolizing these guys. They're all scumbags and they all put their pants on one leg at a time."

• 1:01:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  And that was the first time that I ever started putting these people on Capitol Hill into perspective.

• 1:02:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was the one that at least maintained some strong character and values and principles?

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  That was John McCain. John McCain became a hero for me.

• 1:02:13Patrick Bet-David?

  John McCain?

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Of all people.

• 1:02:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Of all people. I know, I know people, people kinda look at me oddly every time I say this. But just as an example, six weeks before I got out of prison, I was allowed to call my wife every other day for 15 minutes. So six weeks before I got out of prison, I call her and I said, "How's your day?" She said, "It's great." And I said, "Really? Why great? What made it so great?" And she said, "The Senate torture report was released today and it proved that everything you said was true." And she said, "John McCain got up on the floor of the Senate and he named you by name. And he said that if it wasn't for you, the American people would have never had any idea..." What the CIA was doing in their name.

• 1:02:58Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the waterboarding scandal.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  The waterboarding, yeah.

• 1:03:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You became the whistleblower and I think Obama, Obama's the one that came after you, right? He prosecuted six of you guys.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Eight?

• 1:03:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight?

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  I was the sixth.

• 1:03:08Patrick Bet-David?

  More than all the presidents combined.

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  Three times, all previous presidents combined.

• 1:03:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Three times?

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  In American history.

• 1:03:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Un-freaking-belie- the Espionage Act, was it the Espionage Act?

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  The Espionage Act.

• 1:03:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So you were the sixth out of the eight?

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  I was the sixth out of the eight. The Espionage Act was written in 1917 to combat German saboteurs during the First World War. Between 1917 and 2009, three people were prosecuted for speaking to the press. Just under Obama, eight of us were prosecuted for speaking to the press. Eight of us. I remember a friend of mine at the White House saying, "Be careful of this guy. Obama has," his words, "Obama has a Nixonian obsession with national security leaks." And I said, "Why?" He said, "Because John Brennan's whispering in his ear every single day, prosecute, prosecute, prosecute." And so he did.

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• 1:06:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight times. So you're going through with your wife 15 minutes. Hey, you won't believe McCain had your back. McCain, you know, got up on, named you.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  And when I got out of prison, well, you know what? Before, when I was working for Kerry, Kerry's office was directly next door to McCain's in the Russell Building. And every time Kerry and I would be walking out of the, out of the office, like for a vote, McCain would be walking out of his office and he would always go out of his way to come and shake my hand. "How are you, John?" I'd say, "Doing well, Senator. How are you doing?" And we would always shake hands. And then Kerry one time said, "Why don't you and McCain get a room or something?" And I said, "No, no, he's, he's serious. He's a sincere guy." They had this weird love-hate relationship between them. They respected each other, but they didn't like each other. And I said, "No, McCain's a sweetheart. He really is."

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  When I got out of prison, this is, this is the especially painful part. I got out of prison, I was out four or five days, and I get a call from a guy on McCain's staff. A very serious guy. And he says, Senator McCain says, "Welcome home." And he wants to know how he can be helpful to you. And I said, "Oh, my God. Tell him thank you so much. He can be helpful by giving me my pension back." I said, "These Obama people confiscated my pension. Twenty years of proud government service."

• 1:07:54Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a $780,000.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:07:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  So, my attorney, who's also one of my best friends, was the Deputy Attorney General under Reagan. And he said, "I have an idea. We went up to meet with McCain's people. He wrote an amendment." And it was hilarious. It was like, one sentence. And it said, "Every American who had his pension confiscated for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act between October 1st and October 31st, 2012, shall hereby have that pension reinstated." I'm the only person in the world. So McCain says, "I'm gonna slip this into the National Defense Authorization Act." He said, "That thing's like, 3,000 pages long. Nobody reads them."

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  He said, "I'm gonna put it down in the bottom. Nobody's gonna pay any attention. We're gonna get you your pension back." So, he said... I said, "Well, but it's gonna be in the Senate version. It's not gonna be in the House version." He said, "I'll get myself appointed to the conference committee, and I'll ensure that it is in there in the final bill." And then he got brain cancer. And so, he couldn't be on the conference committee. He was too sick. And so, they pulled it out.

• 1:09:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Three pages, all the way in the back, and they pulled it out. The $780,000.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  And they pulled it out. So, here I am.

• 1:09:17Patrick Bet-David?

  For you, McCain is number one on the list.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Go with the stuff that we're talking about, the Espionage Act.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And the stuff that Obama did. Go to FISA, because FISA...

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Goes back to what? FISA starts off with Teddy... Ted Kennedy, if I'm not mistaken.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And he pitches it, and he proposes it, and I think Carter comes in. And the concern at the time, this is right after Watergate, if I'm not mistaken. So, "Hey, this is the way for us to catch terrorists." And then Obama ends up using that to go after people like you, and also going after people like Trump. And then we're seeing...

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Look at Carter Page, the poor guy.

• 1:09:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  What they ruined his life.

• 1:09:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  You know, you make a very important point here, that bears repeating. FISA is not new. FISA has been around since the Carter administration. Ted Kennedy was instrumental in the passage of FISA. They believed back then that there was a real danger of, you know, foreign involvement in American political machinations. And so they passed FISA that would allow this secret court that sits on the top floor of the Justice Department. It's off limits to everybody. The judges are constantly rotating in and out. They're sitting federal district court judges from around the country.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  And the CIA and the FBI can go there and say, "We need a secret warrant to tap the phones of, you know, X, Y, and Z people." And they get it. And there's nothing in writing, nothing that can ever be released to the American people. So you don't have any idea if maybe there's a FISA warrant on you. There's not supposed to be because you're an American citizen, but so is Carter Page. These are supposed to be warrants on foreign nationals in touch with Americans. Well, you know, when the FISA court turns down something like, whatever it is, 19 one-hundredths of one percent or whatever, where's the oversight?

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  Who exists in government to say, "Wait a minute, this is wrong. You're abusing this program." To make it worse, Section 702 is being debated right now. Section 702 is something that has to come up for reauthorization every two years. And what Section 702 does is it allows these continued secret, here it is, secret warrantless wiretaps on people. But again, you know, on whom? And what's the threshold? We don't know what the threshold is. Nobody will tell us. And so you get somebody like Carter Page who...

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  You know, was doing what he thought he was supposed to be doing as a, you know, mid-level Trump campaign person, talking to an Australian ambassador, and the next thing you know, he knows, or he didn't know it actually, the next thing he is experiencing is he's under investigation, there are FISA warrants against him, and then the FISA warrants were repeatedly renewed, even though there was no evidence that he had ever committed a crime. I believe, I think many Americans believe, that this was done at the behest of, of John Brennan, and it was all part of Brennan's plan to deny Donald Trump the presidency. I really, honestly believe that that's what this is.

• 1:12:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, they failed miserably.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  They failed miserably, and now it's gonna be their turn to have the tables turned.

• 1:12:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And you think they're gonna use it?

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  God, I hope so. Um, you know, there, there has been news this week about, uh...

• 1:13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Cash, you're talking about, you know, Todd Blanch, what they're doing, yeah.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  I'm genuinely worried now that they're not going to prosecute John Brennan. I think John Brennan is a malevolent figure in modern American politics and government. John Brennan, I believe, um, really did attempt to carry out a coup, not with tanks in the streets. He tried to do it through rumor and innuendo, and he tried to deny Donald Trump the presidency. He tried to deny, you know, the choice of 51% of Americans.

• 1:13:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so DOJ's, uh, uh, US abruptly rescinds?

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, day before yesterday. I'm deeply worried about this.

• 1:13:50Patrick Bet-David?

  What's their reasoning? What argument did they give?

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  They didn't give a reason. They just did it. Just as they, they named Joe DiGenova. Do you remember Joe DiGenova? He was a US attorney under Reagan. He's a real go-getter, like a real thinker. Uh, but he's kind of, you know, he's an older guy now, he's in his 80s.

• 1:14:11Patrick Bet-David?

  DiGenova.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, Joseph DiGenova, um, strong Trump supporter, and, um...

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  Just at the beginning of of the week, he was named the lead investigator in the Brennan case in South Florida.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Which was great. He's a giant. But then, all of a sudden, the subpoenas were rescinded.

• 1:14:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think? Speculate, why do you think?

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  I've been told that the alleged crimes that are being investigated are what are called process crimes. Crimes you and I probably already committed three, four times today without even knowing it. Um, those are really hard to prosecute because then you have to argue criminal intent and, you know. Uh, one of them is is, uh, lying to Congress. Yeah, that's a crime. Almost nobody gets prosecuted. All the Trump people did because the Democrats, you know, lost their minds at the end of the first Trump term. Um, but that's one of those ones that, you know, grand juries are kind of loathe to to put people in prison for. I have argued

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  that the Justice Department should looking, should be looking at a conspiracy charge. Because clearly, there was a conspiracy to deny Trump the presidency. And if there is a conspiracy, just the fact that you're covering up the conspiracy ought to be enough to reset the statute of limitations literally every single day. And that's a serious crime. That's, you know, you could get 10 years in prison, 20 years in prison, whatever it is, for conspiracy.

• 1:15:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, part of it, I'm thinking, so the FISA. If, you know, concerns some people, well, you know, he could have stopped it. Why didn't he stop the FISA? And, you know, he knows this isn't, you know.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  That's an issue.

• 1:16:03Patrick Bet-David?

  What's gonna happen for the next president to come in that they're gonna investigate? But then the party have to think about to say, so you want me to stop it now after they used it against me?

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  But, you know, I think it's even. I think that his thinking is even more pure than that. It's not just, you know, they used it against me. He said something this week that I was like, oh, okay. I've seen other presidents, you know, kind of fall into this in the past. He said, he talked to three dozen generals and admirals. And every single one of them said, we need FISA 702 because it keeps America safe. I personally think that that's not exactly true. I think it should be tightened so that the civil liberties of Americans are protected. But I think that three dozen generals and admirals did tell him.

• 1:16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is the week, this is the one you're talking about here.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  Yes, this is it.

• 1:16:56Patrick Bet-David?

  When the dirty cop, James Comey, failed the head of FBI, went after me. He was using FISA Title I, the domestic collection, not FISA 702, the foreign collection, which needs to be extended today. While parts of FISA were illegally and unfortunately used against me and the Democrats disgraceful witch fund and attack in a Russia, Russia, Russia hoax and perhaps would be used against me in the future. I'm willing to risk the giving up of my rights and privileges as a citizen for our great military and country. Our military patriots desperately need FISA 702. And it is one of the reasons we have such tremendous success on the battlefield. I've spoken with many military leaders who say FISA is necessary in order to protect our troops overseas as well as our people here at home from the threat of foreign terror attacks.

• 1:17:40Patrick Bet-David?

  It has already prevented many such attacks.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  See, but that's kind of apples and oranges. It's, if FISA 702 isn't leading to battlefield victories. FISA 702 is identifying individuals or small groups of people who are planning terrorist attacks overseas. That's why we need FISA 702. What we don't need is the CIA, the FBI, and NSA then saying, huh, this Patrick Bet David guy, he looks like an interesting character. We're going to check him out. Why? Why are they checking you out? You're an American citizen. You have constitutional rights.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  You know Tucker Carlson, he's talking to, you know, a Russian to interview Putin. He's talking to an Iranian to interview Peseshkian or whomever he interviewed. What, they're gonna, he's not allowed? He's a journalist. He can interview anybody he wants. So, there's no reason to use 702 against American citizens like that. We need, we need tighter controls.

• 1:18:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You think we're gonna see something? You think we're gonna see something, them going after anybody? Comey, Clintons, anything? Obama?

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 1:18:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing?

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  No. I think it's wishful thinking.

• 1:18:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So, no one's getting arrested? No one's gonna be?

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Well, especially not Obama, because these recent Supreme Court decisions clearing Trump also, you know, through the back door cleared Obama of just about anything that he's been accused of doing. So Obama, I think, is free and clear. Hillary, I've actually looked into this. The statute of limitations has expired on just about everything that you could possibly accuse Hillary of doing. So I think she's scot-free as well. John Brennan, however, like I said, this is a very bad guy. This is a guy, I've known John Brennan for thirty-five, thirty-six years. He's a bad guy.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  And we need controls on what some of these intelligence people or former intelligence people are able to do. You remember, do you remember in the first term when President Trump suspended the security clearances of the fifty-one signatories? To the Hunter Biden? None of those people should have had security clearances in the first place. If you, if you retire from the CIA and then you go to MSNBC to be a talking head, why in God's name do you have a security clearance?

• 1:20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Still.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  Still. What do you need a security clearance for? So you can parrot it back on MSNBC? Uh-uh. No. Once you walk out that door on your last day, that should be the end of it. Unless you're transferring to a defense contractor where they can hold your clearance and, you know, work with CIA security and you do classified work. That's different. That's how people make a living. But to go to the media? Not a chance. None of them should have had security clearances. I'll tell you what, I knew every single one of the fifty-one of them that signed that letter. Every single one of them. None of them should have had a security clearance.

• 1:20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you say that?

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Because they became political people.

• 1:20:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  Pat, time was, you're gonna laugh when I tell you this.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  When I first joined the CIA, I had literally no idea the political affiliations of the people that I sat with 10 hours a day. No idea. It never came up. It never needed to come up. We were there to serve the American people. In 1996, I sat like three cubicles down from this woman who very discreetly put up a Bob Dole for President bumper sticker in her cubicle. They came down on her like a ton of bricks. She was suspended for a week without pay. She was denied promotion for a year, and they put a letter in her file saying that she had violated

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  agency regulations. She, I remember her bawling as she was walking out.

• 1:21:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Or a sticker of Bob Dole.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  A sticker. So, politics was verboten at the CIA. Now, they're signing letters and going on TV and, you know, jumping into campaigns. Every single one of those 51 people was working for Hillary Clinton, either directly or indirectly. Every single one of them. That was unheard of. And, and this is how John Brennan became somebody, because John Brennan was, was a nobody.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Around 2007, there was a gigantic exodus of people from the senior intelligence service at the CIA. 9/11 was six years behind us. People decided to retire. There they are. People decided to retire. And so, almost, well, they were pretty much split 50/50 down the middle. Half of them went to the Hillary campaign, half of them went to the McCain campaign. For whatever reason, John Brennan was the only one that went to the Obama campaign. And then low and behold, Obama wins the thing. So, he's the guy. And that's how he became

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  somebody. He wasn't any smarter than anybody else. He was just better placed for a year.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  And he turned it into something.

• 1:22:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Gained a lot of power.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  And that was the problem.

• 1:22:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Destroyed a lot of people's lives.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  He gained a lot of power, destroyed a lot of people's lives, and people have long memories. And now the tables are turned.

• 1:23:05Patrick Bet-David?

  If they do something.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  If they do.

• 1:23:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The reality is if they do something, which, you know, them, okay, so to me, the way I process this with FISA on, on why they're, why they're doing this, it's an insurance policy to keep everybody in check for the next two and a half years.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's one, the way I look at it, because at the end of the day, what's your over under? If you're a gambling man, what is the likelihood that the president is going to pardon everybody, including his family? The last month before he leaves office?

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  I hope he does.

• 1:23:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So 90%?

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  I, I, yeah, I hope so.

• 1:23:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I think so as well.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 1:23:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I think so as well.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  And I'll tell you why, I'm biased, and I will freely admit my bias. Oh, I didn't see that, thank you for that. Trump promises mass pardons to staff before leaving office. I, I have been working very hard to get in front of the president, figuratively speaking, because I've asked for a pardon. I, I filed the paperwork, I did all the right things. I've talked to everybody I can possibly talk to. Yesterday, I discovered, do you know what Calci is?

• 1:24:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  So I discovered my name on Calci. Like, how, how likely is it that I'm going to be pardoned?

• 1:24:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So there's a Calci on you?

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  And it's actually, my odds are pretty good.

• 1:24:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You gotta be kidding me.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  My odds were 20% the other day. Uh, there I am, 19%. It wouldn't let me bet because it said I have a conflict of interest.

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• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  I tried to put 20 bucks and it said no.

• 1:27:07Patrick Bet-David?

  How much money has been volume is $152,000. So it's a real, it's a real thing.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  It's a real thing.

• 1:27:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  So I'm, I'm praying to God every night that, that Donald Trump wakes up and say, and says, this Kiriakou guy, the Obama people screwed him and Brennan screwed him. You know, I, I had, I had five seconds with the president at Mar-a-Lago a year and a half ago. I went with a friend of mine for lunch and sure enough, the president walks in, everybody politely, politely applauds and he, you know, waves and sits down. He has lunch. He was with Mark Zuckerberg. And finally, he gets up. And they tell you when you're walking in, I know you've been there, they tell you when you're walking in, no pictures, no videos, no hats, and don't ever approach the president. If he wants to talk, he'll approach you. So

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  I'm with my buddy. We both want pardons. And

• 1:28:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Very honest. We're here for a pardon.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  And so he gets up, I'm like, oh my God, he's gonna come over here. So he comes over to our table, I jump up and I said, Mr. President, my name's John Kiriakou, I'm the CIA torture whistleblower. And then I, I used my, my go-to line. I said Barack Obama and John Brennan ruined my life, and you are the only person who can give it back to me. And he goes like this, he goes, Tucker Carlson told me about you. And I said, yes, sir. Tucker's been a great supporter. And Judge Napolitano, Dr. Phil, couple other people that I mentioned, they, they wrote a letter. And he said, he said, talk to Pam Bondi. She'll get the paperwork done. I said, thank you, Mr. President. He moves on. I didn't have any path to Pam Bondi.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  I have, you know, a friend of a friend of a friend of Pam Bondi, and nothing happened. But, you know, I've been able to speak with the US pardon attorney, a lovely, lovely man named Ed Martin, and a couple of other people close to the president. But there, I, there's literally nothing else I can do. I don't know what to do.

• 1:29:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What would a pardon do to your life?

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  It would give me my, my pension back.

• 1:29:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it?

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  And give me my gun rights back. Pat, I, I, I want my guns back.

• 1:29:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So wait a minute, you don't have, you can't, you haven't been able to carry since?

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  Felon with a gun is a mandatory five-year minimum.

• 1:29:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Mandatory five-year minimum.

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Felon with a gun is a mandatory five-year minimum.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  No questions asked, straight to prison, five years.

• 1:29:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So you, so you want your Second Amendment rights back?

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  Indeed.

• 1:29:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And you want your pension back?

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:29:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you get the pardon, what's the next step for you? Do you just go in and say, "I got the pardon, can I get my, uh, pension?"

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  I, I, my kids and I have talked about this. I said, "We're all piling in the car and we are driving directly to the gun show at Dulles Airport Expo Center" "with wads of cash and I'm buying guns."

• 1:29:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for you. So two things, pension and guns. Pension and guns.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  I'll tell you, there's a third thing, but I've dealt with it. Um, I lost my voting rights for life. So I, I was going through the process, like, "How do I get my voting rights back?" Terry McAuliffe was the governor of Virginia at the time. So I went online, Virginia Secretary of State's office. "Are you a felon?" "Yes." "I want my, my voting rights back." I fill out the form and I just send it in. It says, "You'll hear in two weeks." Well, like, three, four weeks passed and I hadn't heard anything. So I just called the toll-free number and the guy's like, "Okay, what's your social security number?" So I told him and he's like, "Oh, oh." Like, he sees on the screen, "Right, yes. You're in process, so just hang on." I said, "Oh, okay, thank you, great."

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  I hang up. Like, a week later, seven o'clock in the morning, my doorbell rings. I was getting the kids ready for school. So I go to the door, like, "Who in the world's gonna be at the door at seven o'clock in the morning?" And it's a courier from the governor's office. He's got this big envelope, this, like, hard cardboard envelope, and it's a decree with the big gold seal. It's a state pardon. I hadn't even applied for a pardon, but Terry McAuliffe, God bless him. I never met the man, but he pardoned me. He must have followed my case. And so I got my state gun rights back, which is a nice gesture, but...

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  What, I buy a gun, I get arrested and I say, well, the state of Virginia allows me to carry a gun. Yeah, but Washington DC doesn't. So five years mandatory minimum.

• 1:31:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Still with that. Yeah, well, interesting that, that, I mean, your story was everywhere. When you, when you came out, it's not like it was the story for, I don't know how long, when everybody around the world was following it. Last night, I'm showing my, my wife, I say, so who are you talking to? I said, John Kirock was coming back. It's all really, yeah. So tell me a little bit more about John. I said, babe, this is, let me tell you what he was known for, waterboarding. My wife, who is not following everything that's going on, she's not the one that's, follows everything politically. She, she says, tell me more about waterboarding. We went and pulled up a clip of Chris, is it?

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Oh, Chris Hitchens.

• 1:32:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Who said waterboarding is nothing, waterboarding is not a big deal. Have you ever seen this clip, Rob? He's laying there and they put a towel over him. He says, I'll be able to breathe. And he tries to do waterboarding himself. You gotta fast forward it because it's a five minute clip. Keep going, keep going, keep going. It's, I think that's the part where he jumps up. Yeah. This is it. Can we even show this? Well, let's do it anyways. So they're waterboarding him. He said he lasted 17 seconds, right there. 17 seconds.

• 1:32:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And you know what he said? Do you know what happened afterwards? For the rest of his life, every time he couldn't breathe for a second, he would have panic attacks. Because of the impact of waterboarding had on him.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:33:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's Chris Hitchens, which is like, oh, there's no.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Big babies.

• 1:33:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, big babies. So, yeah, so listen, you know, it'll be interesting to see what, yeah, that's right. Believe me, it's torture.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  I remember when that came out.

• 1:33:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, oh, wait, when he said this. Let's talk about SPLC. So Cash Patel and Todd Blanch dropped this, right? And SPLC, you know, maybe at the beginning, their reasoning was noble. And they've raised god knows how much money. We saw reports of who's giving them money. George Clooney gave him money. Tim Cook gave him a million bucks. I think Chase gave him money. Soros was speculated to have given him money. And then you see the 2019 Charity Watch, it's a leftist organization, gave SPLC an F.

• 1:33:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Current affairs gave SPLC an outright fraud that uses fear to cause leftists to write checks. Liberal death penalty abolitionist Stephen Bright, I think is his name, refused to take an award from SPLC. Said the SPLC has been running a, been running, been run by a con man and a fraud. And then former SPLC employees in 2019 told The New Yorker that we were part of the con and we knew it. Like, they knew they were doing this. What, what do you know about it and why is this such a big deal of what happened?

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  Well, when I first saw the push notification that the SPLC was being indicted on felonies, multiple felonies.

• 1:34:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  My first thought was, oh, come on, we have nothing better to do. And then I clicked on it and I read the article and I said, oh shit, these are real crimes. Real crimes. The kind of crimes where they're documentary. You either did it or you didn't do it. And if they've got documentary evidence that they did it, this could be the end of the SPLC.

• 1:34:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Literally.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  I think it could be.

• 1:34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, so I'm watching the opposition to see what their argument is. You know, the current president reacted. I don't know if he saw his clip or not. He said, yeah, you know what, you know how they're spinning it? Here's what they're saying. They're saying, this is so unfair because this was our way of paying informants to learn more about the organization.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  I knew they were gonna say that.

• 1:35:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's what they're saying.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  Like journalists who buy one share of stock so that they can go to the, the stock holders meeting and, you know.

• 1:35:09Patrick Bet-David?

  They're spinning it in a way to say, shame on them to do this. These are people that are doing great work. That was the guy who responded, uh, claiming that's what they're doing in the past. So what, what, what do you think about that?

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  Um, I think that that is weak because what they're being accused of doing is giving money to the Ku Klux Klan, giving money to Nazi groups, you know, laundering money. There are very clear laws, very specific laws about money laundering. You know, you can't do it. You can't do it. And so why launder it in the first place? Again.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  What the Justice Department is accusing them of doing is documented. And so they're gonna have their day in court, just like everybody else. And they can, they can make that argument, certainly.

• 1:36:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I saw lists of Moms of Liberty was on that group. I think we had the leader of Moms of Liberty on the podcast, Rob, if I'm not mistaken, she was phenomenal. They had TPUSA on that list. They had

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, uh, different groups. Um, but they didn't have Antifa on that group. They didn't have, and even there's a, Rob, go to, go to, uh, what's his name? Stossel, uh, John Stossel. Can you go on YouTube and go to John Stossel? I want to give him credit on this. John Stossel has done a lot of work on SPLC. And just type in SPLC if you could. Just type in SPLC John Stossel, one from two years ago. That one right there. Go to about minute, uh, and we'll give credit to John if you want to go subscribe to his channel, Rob. Let's make sure we put the link below as well. So if people want to go support him. Uh, so John Stossel, go about minute, keep going, keep going, keep going. I'll tell you, keep going, keep going, keep going.

• 1:36:54Patrick Bet-David?

  About minute four. So keep going. No, that's not minute, that's minute one. Keep going. Minute four, Rob. Keep going. Keep going. Uh, he's at, okay, right there. Press play. Watch what they find here. Go ahead. Which is in offshore accounts, Caymans and places like that.

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  How do you know?

• 1:37:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, we look at their 990s. Pause it right there.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  Ah, the 990.

• 1:37:16Patrick Bet-David?

  The 990 shows that they were taking money. Press play, it's gonna show Cayman Islands. Right there. Now, the Southern Poverty Law Center calls groups that simply oppose sexually explicit content in schools anti-government extremists. Moms for Liberty and Moms for America are on the hate map because they dare do things like seek school board seats to try to stop districts from disregarding opinions of parents. Now, keep in mind, Stossel is not a Republican. He's a Libertarian.

• 1:37:45Speaker 01

  No, no, he's a Libertarian.

• 1:37:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's a Libertarian.

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  A well-known one.

• 1:37:47Patrick Bet-David?

  A very well-known one, yeah. So, you know, if this goes, I, I, I wonder what the positioning is gonna be. I wonder who's gonna come out defending them. How much money did they have in the account? I don't know why I saw, it went from 50 million to 100 million to 200 million.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:38:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the, uh, uh, how much total money have they raised? What's the total amount? But I don't know why I saw 720 million. Maybe that was a... Uh, uh, have they total raised? They've raised a lot of money. Oh, there you go. Okay. Uh, total assets in 2024. Look at that. 786.7 and some reports noting it's 822. When I saw 720 million, I said, they cannot be that powerful. Their endowment was 822.

• 1:38:33Speaker 01

  Shocking.

• 1:38:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the kind of power you have with that, what you could do.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  Wow. Yeah, that's incredible. I gotta say also, in the 990s, I was the king of the 990s at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The 990s will tell you everything you need to know about an organization that you're targeting. Because to keep themselves out of trouble, they admit to everything, thinking nobody's ever gonna look at the 990.

• 1:38:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So you guys looked at the 990s?

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  Most, most organizations actually have it on their, on their webpage. It's oftentimes hidden. There was only one time that I wanted to see a 990 that wasn't publicly available, and I just called the organization and I said, "I'm the, I'm the chief investigator from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and I need to see your 990." And they were like, "Please don't." And I said, "No, I'm gonna swing by. I'll give you a day. I'm gonna swing by and pick it up." And their, their 990 must have been 150 pages long. I had never seen one more than a page or two. It was 150 pages long. I found nothing wrong with it, and I just dropped the investigation.

• 1:39:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So the 990 is what? It's a document that most tax-exempt organizations file every year with the IRS. It tells the government and the public how the non, how the nonprofit operates financially?

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  Yep. It's got everything. It's like the crown jewel of the, of the, uh, the tax forms.

• 1:39:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so, okay. Rob, can you pull up who else gave SPLC money? Who are the biggest contributors, contributors of SPLC?

• 1:40:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm actually curious. I've seen some of the names.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Tim Cook, million bucks. George Soros.

• 1:40:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So it took 106 million dollars in donations just in 2024. 786 had funneled through it. I'm wondering, yeah, I got the Soros, I got the Clooney, I got the Tim Cook. Charles Schwab Charitable Foundation, Fidelity Charitable gave a lot of money. National Philanthropic. Yeah, I'm reading a book right now on charities because, you know, when you

• 1:40:41Patrick Bet-David?

  gets to a point where family offices need to start charities and all this other stuff. The book I'm reading today, it tells a story of never ever start a charity and leave the board to decide what to do with the money because whatever cause you start today, you're gonna lose control with the way it is and 10 years later they can change the cause they want to support. So maybe your cause was one thing, 10, 20, 30 years later could change to something else. So, by the way, let me ask you, if you worked, if you still were at the CIA today

• 1:41:09Patrick Bet-David?

  and you got the call from the Director of CIA and they said, you know, John, I want you to go find out because there's so much noise right now in the marketplace. I want you to go find out who is actually taking money from Israel, who's taking money from Qatar, who's taking money from these different organizations? Whether they are trying to get people to give pro Zionist messaging or trying to give pro Islam, you know, Sharia is not that bad, everything's okay, or socialism. How quickly would you be able to find out if someone's getting funded or not?

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  I, I, I get that it's a hypothetical question. It's an FBI issue. The CIA by law would be forbidden from doing that on Americans. But, uh, but you could certainly look at, uh, at foreign nationals. CIA could look at foreign nationals. You, you probably need a couple of months to really dig it up. But you could dig it up.

• 1:42:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you be able to find out for a fact like if, if?

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Not all of it.

• 1:42:09Patrick Bet-David?

  So the reason why I'm asking is because I had the Dominic Targinsky here. He's a EU, uh, part member of the parliament and he tells the story of in 2022, these multiple EU parliament members. Were caught getting

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  Ah

• 1:42:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, what do you call it?

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Big satchels of money.

• 1:42:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Duffle bag.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:42:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Duffle bag of cash.

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  One of them was-

• 1:42:29Patrick Bet-David?

  One and a half million dollars.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  One of them was Greek and she, she's in prison now. Yes.

• 1:42:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, one and a half million dollars of cash. Can you go to that one, Rob, where it's? Which one is this one? Is this the one?

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so one and a half million dollars, but go to if you can go to, uh, the picture, yeah, that's the lady right there, whatever her name is. She was part of the corruption. And apparently there was so much money in one of the duffel bags that they dropped sixty thousand dollars, sixty thousand euros that they caught afterwards. Where cash was being given. And then when you go even deeper, you find out the history of, you know, nowadays, you know, uh, uh, King Charles is very pro Islamist, you know, pro it's not, it's nothing wrong with that, everything is fine. And then there were reports about him taking three point two million dollars. I don't know if you've seen that report.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  Like he needs the money.

• 1:43:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Like he needs the money, but he took three point two million dollars.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  You know, I hate to say it, Pat.

• 1:43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Right there. Look, look at this. From between two thousand and eleven and two thousand, uh, fifteen, then Prince Charles received approximately three point two million dollars in cash payments from Qatari Prime Minister. This has been confirmed and he said he did. But he said the moment money went into our account, we just gave it to charity immediately. There was no illegal things done, you know, we're supposed to believe that. So I wondered, uh, you know, buying influence. If, if the government all of a sudden, I don't even know if they would pursue this because because, you know, they may not even want that, man, if somebody was to come out, like, let's just say they did this with SPLC.

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And all of a sudden they come out and say, let me tell you guys that these top fifty influencers who's funding them, who they're getting money from. It would silence the entire market and it would, the fog of war in mainstream media and podcasts and today would be gone. Everybody would say, okay, we know why you say what you say. We know where your position is. Great. Can we all move on? Let's move forward.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  See, and this is, this is exactly why we need robust oversight. Rather than the cheerleaders on Capitol Hill that we have, we need people who are really gonna provide independent oversight. Let me tell you a story and forgive me that I have to sort of fudge the language a little bit, but I, I need to I had a conversation with a senator a couple of days ago. Um, he, uh, had somebody reach out, can you come up to the office? I said, of course. I go up there and he's concerned about some documents. He needed to see some documents, documents that were classified in the 1970s. I said, "Well, they should have been subject to mandatory declassification. We have a mandatory declassification law in this country.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  After 30 or 35 years, they have to be declassified unless they contain the names of a source or the methods of an ongoing operation." And he said, "Exactly." And they've never been declassified. And he said, "I went to the CIA and they said, 'We don't know what you're talking about. They're not our documents.'" And it turns out that they're Senate documents. Well, the Senate is not su... The Congress is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act. And it's not subject... They always exempt themselves from their own laws, right? So no laws apply on Capitol Hill. They do anything they want. And so I said, "Well, why don't you go to leadership?" And he said, "I went to leadership."

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  And they said, "They don't want to get involved in this fight between two committee chairmen." And I said, "And the other chairman?" He said, "The other chairman told me to go screw myself." And I said, "Are you kidding me?" And he said, "No." He said, "I don't know what to do." And we sat there for two hours and we could not come up with a plan. And it's because there is no oversight. It's funny to me. You read the Constitution. The Constitution says that the government is made up of three co-equal branches, the executive, the legislative, and the judicial. But that's just not how we treat it. The legislative has ceded its authority to the executive.

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  And so now if, you know, there's a Republican in the White House, Republicans on Capitol Hill are gonna... to do everything they can to support the president and to pass the president's legislation. The Democrats have somebody in the White House. The Democrats in Congress are going to do everything they can to support the president. That's not what the founding fathers envisioned. Three co-equal branches. And then what we end up with is these so-called oversight committees that don't oversee anything. They just egg them on.

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• 1:49:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think the part with America that when I hear people that are tired. Like, what are you tired with? What are you most upset with? I just don't think there's any accountability.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  That's exactly what the problem is.

• 1:49:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I just don't think there's any accountability. What do you mean? It seems like they're all on the same party. Seems like they all protect. You hear that message, right? You can't have that because that's not good in a democracy. If there's accountability for the average person that does something and then there isn't for the other guys? What are you talking about? Yeah, no, there's not. So I think this administration, a story came out. I don't know if you saw the story came out yesterday saying that, again, it's a leak, that they want Tulsi to resign after midterms. Okay, so they want Tulsi to resign after midterms. All right, that story was leaked. I don't know if it's even a story there or not. There you go, yeah. Director Donald Trump reportedly wants to direct a national... Okay, who knows what these stories are? Like, we asked you earlier, what stories do they leak?

• 1:50:26Patrick Bet-David?

  What do they not? And you kind of test the market. Who knows what this is? You know, on how they're dropping a story. But to me, if there's anything, this administration has a shot.

• 1:50:38Patrick Bet-David?

  At increasing the score, the people have in the CIA, in the FBI, in the US government, a little bit more. Cause the way it dropped after Kennedy is a

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:50:49Patrick Bet-David?

  It's like a massive, from seventy-two percent trust in the FBI. Can you pull up the history of trust in the US government, or trust in the FBI, or trust in the CIA?

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  And then Watergate?

• 1:51:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And then Watergate, you know, one by one by one. Um, there, there's a chart, Rob. If you go back and just go to images, you'll see it. Yeah, it's one of those that shows the high was seventy-two percent, and I don't know what, yeah, zoom in a little bit if you could. Oh, it doesn't go all the way back. It doesn't go all the way back. So you, you, that goes from ninety-seven. The one I'm looking at is from the sixties. You know, uh, uh, go on the second one, see what the same, the Pew Research? There you go. That's the one from fifty-eight.

• 1:51:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:51:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at that. We used to trust seventy-two percent.

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  Look at that.

• 1:51:33Patrick Bet-David?

  We used to trust the government. We're like, yeah, they're good, you know, they're, and then we're now in the twenties and the teens. And that's fifteen. I would assume it's even lower today.

• 1:51:42Speaker 01

  Like even nine eleven, it was barely fifty percent.

• 1:51:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep. Yep. That's right. Even nine eleven was fifty percent. At least we're like, look, they're the good people. They're here to protect us.

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:53Patrick Bet-David?

  There, there is a massive, mass, and by the way, I think long-term, the lower that score goes, you, you, you, you cannot risk not knowing the consequences of the score getting too low.

• 1:52:05Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:52:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause if it gets too low, then what does the youth do who don't have anything to lose? Anything. The young is willing to break the whole thing, cause they're like, well, you know what? You guys are not doing anything. You guys are all protecting each other. You guys are. And then you're dealing with a bigger problem. So I hope they do something to regain the faith. Are you following the story with the scientists?

• 1:52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So you know, Rob?

• 1:52:27Speaker 01

  And at first, I'll admit to you, at first I was like, oh, come on, another conspiracy theory.

• 1:52:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:31Speaker 01

  And then I started reading and I was like, oh crap.

• 1:52:34Patrick Bet-David?

  There's some credibility to it?

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  There could be.

• 1:52:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, what is it? 12 scientists or 11 scientists, four of them were from NASA.

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And I want to say JP, is it JPL? The other four were nuclear fusion plus weapon and the other three were guys with secret clearance, not direct contact with each other. 11 scientists are dead or missing. It was only a matter of time before conspiracy theories hit the White House. A half hazard grouping of recent cases emerged from the one paranormal investigator described as mystery, mongering data mining. It also made the ideal fodder fodder for the president and our leading media personalities alike. Okay, so I don't know if I'm fully there. Okay, I don't know if I'm fully there that something's going on. But one of the guys, his name is, is it David Whitlock? Whitlock, Wilcox. Can you go to the tweet of David Wilcox? I think

• 1:53:26Patrick Bet-David?

  O'Shaughnessy sent it to you. If you go into your text. Uh, yeah, he sent it to you. O'Shaughnessy sent it to you. If you go to his text, he sent you the tweet he had in 2022 of tweet he had in 20, yeah, there you go. This is in 2022. "I plan on living, not suicidal at all. Just concerned about what happens when you prove God is real." Okay, this is 2022, three and a half years ago. Go a little bit lower, Rob. May God bless your soul. Such a positive. Now that's April 21st. Okay, and then you see all the other stuff that's coming. If he did kill himself, it was DW murders. So the market's kind of reacting what's going on here. There's just a lot of questions, but tell me, what are you thinking?

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  I think it bears investigation. Listen, the Israelis have been killing Iranian scientists for forever. We probably kill scientists. Other countries likely kill scientists. I have no idea if these guys are connected. I mean, apparently work-wise, they're not connected, but maybe there's a foreign actor out there. There that has a policy that requires, you know, a technological setback and you do that by killing scientists. I don't know.

• 1:54:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what do you know? What do you know about the 11 scientists? Because they're saying they were working on stuff. They had certain patents. Patents, they had certain things they knew about, you know, some of it related to the UFO. I mean, you got to realize this is like a beautiful, you know, a playing field for guys that want to go into, you know, maybe there's something there. Maybe they're doing this. Maybe the aliens, maybe they're hiding it from us, but.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  You and I were joking before we went on about Minak. Well, maybe it wasn't you. It was one of the guys. We were talking about Minak and a lot of the requests that I get on Minak are related to UFOs. And I always say the same thing. My very first question on my very first day at the CIA, when I met my boss for the first time for lunch, where are the UFOs? And he laughed and he said, that is the first question that every one of us has asked. And I'll tell you what I was told. He said, that's not what we do here. If there are any UFOs, all that stuff's at the Pentagon. Well, we always get a chuckle out of that, but

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  when I was 17 years old, my mom and dad bought a restaurant in a neighboring town. We lived in Newcastle, Pennsylvania. This restaurant was in Sharon, Pennsylvania. It's only 15 miles away, but you have to go through Amish country. Thus, my dislike of the Amish. So you have to go through Amish country to get there and the Amish don't use electricity. So it's very, very dark. One night, my dad and I, it was a Friday night. My dad and I used to work 11 to 7 on weekends, midnight shift. So we're driving to the restaurant, going through Amish country. We see this brilliant, blinding flash of light, not very high off the ground, maybe 1500, 1200, 1500 feet. There's a second flash and a third flash and we were both looking up at it. And then this.

• 1:56:37Speaker 01

  Orange saucer lit up and it's just hovering there.

• 1:56:44Patrick Bet-David?

  What year is this?

• 1:56:44Speaker 01

  This is nineteen eighty-one. He pulls over to the side of the road. I said, what in the world is that? We get out of the car. We're just standing there staring at this thing. A guy pulls up behind us. He gets out of his car and he says, what is that? And my dad said, I don't know. And then it went like that at this fantastic speed that just defied the laws of physics. We get back in the car. We stood there for a minute waiting. Is it gonna come back? So we get in the car. We start driving again and I said to my dad, and mind you, I was a kid. I said, so should we do something? Should we like call the cops or something? And my dad said, and say what?

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  We saw a flying saucer and then it flew away. People are gonna think we've lost our minds. And so we only told my mom the next day. We didn't say anything to anybody, but I have never forgotten it. In the meantime, I moved to Washington a year later. My uncle owned a restaurant in Old Town Alexandria, Virginia. His son was an F fifteen pilot or whatever it was. F sixteen pilot. And I mentioned this to him, like, oh, I saw the craziest thing last year. Saw this flying saucer with my dad. And he said, oh, we see those things all the time. He said, one time I saw one shoot up out of the ocean. And I said, you kidding me? He said, no, we said, we fill out these forms. They're classified. We send them to the Pentagon. He said, every pilot has seen them.

• 1:58:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What?

• 1:58:14Speaker 01

  This is crazy.

• 1:58:14Patrick Bet-David?

  This is crazy. Every pilot has seen them?

• 1:58:18Speaker 01

  So not every person who seems crazy is crazy.

• 1:58:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, do I, do I believe that's, and I wonder eighty-one. Can eighty-one, how advanced were we with drones in eighty-one?

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  I know, right? Had we even thought of drones by eighty-one?

• 1:58:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know.

• 1:58:33Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:58:33Patrick Bet-David?

  When, when were, uh, when did drones become public and, you know, available to the public? What year did drones become available to the public? That's it. You're talking eighty-one.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  Twenty something years?

• 1:58:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  Before.

• 1:58:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's not like, you know.

• 1:58:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And when you went in, you weren't like, I gotta figure this thing out, you know, I'm gonna get into this. Yeah, I'm gonna figure this thing out. I'm gonna go.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:59:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Did anything, anything get close where you're like, maybe there, nothing?

• 1:59:03Speaker 01

  Not even vaguely close. One thing that I, that I did get a kick out of. When I got there, we, we didn't have computers yet. I'm embarrassed to even tell you. We, we had, we had IBM Selectric 3 typewriters at our desks. And then we got these big boxes called Delta datas with a little tiny green screen. And, um, yeah, Delta data.

• 1:59:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to image.

• 1:59:27Speaker 01

  Oh, there it is, Delta computer.

• 1:59:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to images.

• 1:59:30Speaker 01

  They had these little green screens. There they are. There's the Delta data. So, um, yeah, that's the one. That's the one. Um, and, uh,

• 1:59:41Speaker 01

  and so all the files were paper files that went on these, they were on these, uh, these rollers. They went all the way up into the ceiling and then came back down. The ceilings were a good, you know, 15, 20 feet, and then they went up into the ceiling, came down. So every once in a while, as I'm researching somebody, I would run across an old professor of mine.

• 2:00:04Speaker 01

  From when I was at school at GW.

• 2:00:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And?

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:00:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing.

• 2:00:08Speaker 01

  No, nothing on UFOs, not a word, not a single word.

• 2:00:11Patrick Bet-David?

  It's funny, I just pulled up the story on these 11 scientists. Rob, what did you pull up? Did you pull up anything on the scientists? Cause what it's telling me is, okay, 10 or 12 scientists who have either died or gone missing since 2022. Many were high-security fields, nuclear research, aerospace, NASA, FBI, Department of Energy, NASA, White House are involved in a coordinated review. The Congress launched a probe calling it potential national security. Really? Threat. Some officials have floated possibilities like foreign intelligence involvement, China, Russia, Iran's security breaches, or just unrelated incidents being grouped together. A NASA nuclear engineer, Josh, Joshua LeBlanc, was found dead after being reported adding to the list and raising urgency. Important reality check, experts saying no confirmed link between the cases. Many deaths have been explained.

• 2:00:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Accident, suicides, illness, the pattern may partly be internet-driven narrative building.

• 2:01:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure. One of the stories is about a William Neil McCasland. McCas- right there. So that's one of the stories that prompted everything. If you can just go to the New York Post story right there. Retired Air Force general, uh, worked on classified aerospace programs, disappeared in 2026. So he's one of the stories. And the other one is Amy Eskridge. Amy Eskridge, there you go, right there. Amy Eskridge was a researcher into advanced propulsion, anti-gravity concepts. And that's the picture we've seen all over the internet. Uh, we've seen that she said definitely did not plan death by suicide. Friend, go a little bit lower to read that one.

• 2:01:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, where do we have it? There's only, I thought she was a target. Uh, she thought she was a target. Research friend from, uh, Eskridge believed she was being targeted for her work in propulsion technology. Uh, per Melbourne, she claimed she was being physically and psychologically attacked and provided pictures, uh, to him of her disclosed, discolored hands. Amy too, friend, if you see any report that I killed myself, I most definitely did not. Milburn said Eskridge told him to believe any reports that she had died by suicide. Told him not to believe that she died by suicide. She turned up dead. Eskridge died on June 11, 2022 in Huntsville, Alabama. Her death was officially ruled a suicide from a self-inflicted, inflicted gunshot wound.

• 2:02:27Patrick Bet-David?

  It's very unusual for women to shoot themselves. Yeah, it's normally they shoot their husbands or they shoot, you know, if it is, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's the other way around. Yeah, there's this thing called the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. I don't know if you're familiar with it or not. Never heard of that one. Yeah, so the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 was created by the US government, by this Senator, uh, from two sides under Truman, he signed it. And they, they gathered 6,000 patents that the governments had since, which they would pay you off and you can never make money and never talk about it. What? And it's something about six, go a little bit lower, Rob. The secrecy orders can bar public disclosure entirely prohibit sales to anyone

• 2:03:12Patrick Bet-David?

  outside the defense sector, block exports and seal restricted applications as classified. So if you go deeper into this, this is something that John, you would get a kick out of if you look into this. The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. Uh, I, we were introduced to this by, uh, Gear, uh, uh, uh, Stephen Greer, Rob. If I'm saying it correctly, he did a documentary on this. If you've never seen it, it's worth watching. So this is where some people speculate that, uh, you know, some of these inventions could cure cancer. Some of the inventions would disrupt the oil industry because cars could drive based on just water. And so we don't need to do all this other stuff with oil industry. So, and there's some credible stories behind how people disappeared at the time. So I don't know.

• 2:03:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Is there some credibility to these stories? Maybe. I definitely would like to see journalists, investigators go a little bit deeper to see what happened here with all these people that are saying, I'm not suicidal. And then they disappear. So who knows? But, uh, uh, if you're watching this and you have any questions for John Kiriakou, you gotta help him get to the super heavyweight. He's very close.

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  I know, right?

• 2:04:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Send him a minute. He's actually very active and responds, uh, to folks out there. And then John's also, you got a podcast that you do.

• 2:04:25Speaker 01

  Yep. Got a podcast. Uh, there's one that's kind of inflected, but the one I'm really, really proud of is on, uh, Apple Podcasts called John Kiriakou's Dead Drop. And it is, I'm proud to say in the top one 10th of 1% of all podcasts.

• 2:04:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 2:04:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Sick.

• 2:04:44Speaker 01

  It's taking off.

• 2:04:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's put the link below, uh, on, uh, on the podcast. Let's put the link below. And John, as usual, every time we talk, I get a kick out of it because you're one, you, you, I don't know if you, you obviously know this. You're an incredible storyteller. Oh my God. You're an incredible storyteller. It is not a easy. You're, you're extremely curious, interested. You have your own opinions, which makes it very entertaining.

• 2:05:12Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:05:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And then at the same time, I can listen to you for hours because of how good you are telling stories. And that's not a skill that a lot of people have. So I appreciate you coming out again as usual and being a class act. And I know we got a couple of other things we're talking about. Maybe we'll do something where the audience can come to a live event and see you.

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  I, I'm in.

• 2:05:27Patrick Bet-David?

  And that'd be great.

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  I'm in.

• 2:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

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• 2:05:29Speaker 01

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• 2:05:29Patrick Bet-David?

  John, thank you.

• 2:05:30Speaker 01

  Thanks so much.

• 2:05:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Anytime. Take care, everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

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