Epstein Victims PRESSURE Congress, Trump's Trans BAN, RFK Jr. Hearing & Florida's Mandate Move | PBD Podcast | Ep. 642

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick break down Epstein victims pressuring Congress for action, Trump’s push for a transgender ban, and Florida’s massive new mandate move. ------ Ⓜ️ JOIN THE PBD PODCAST CIRCLES COMMUNITY: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/40lR90L⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/40lR90L 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:57Speaker 02

  Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm so weak, I could taste sweet victory. I know this life meant for me.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright? My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:14Speaker 03

  My son's right. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:22Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, we are officially live. And hopefully you're on time, folks. We've been waiting for you this entire time in the room. Where are you? Where are you? Where you been, huh?

• 1:32Tom Ellsworth?

  It's 9 o'clock.

• 1:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so first of all, listen, breaking news. I had no idea. Tree planters made $7 million a year not doing anything. Did you know that's maybe the highest paying job for the least amount of work you do?

• 1:45Speaker 06

  Tree planters?

• 1:46Patrick Bet-David?

  There's this guy named Kawhi Leonard who gets paid $7 million a year, allegedly, to plant trees that he never plants. So, listen, if anybody ever offers a job like that, you may want to consider it. We're going to talk about that story. Putin invites Zelensky to have a meeting in Russia. He's like, why don't we have this meeting in Russia? And Zelensky is like, uh, is this a...

• 2:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Or no, who knows what's going to be happening there?

• 2:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I got a couple of people I gotta give a shout out to. One of them is the greatest pastor in the world and the other one is somebody I lost to in domino. Two games in there, me and Tikram with Flabbergastin. It's not a comfortable thing for me to do, but I told them, I said, I'm gonna give you a shout out on the podcast because of how embarrassing this is, but we will do it. This is gonna be this tough for me to do. What was this game? It's happening on Monday on Labor Day. I really don't want to talk about it too long, but I'm gonna give a little bit of intel into it. Okay. America's population set to shrink for the first time ever. Folks, if you have to choose between watching this podcast and making babies, I'm okay with you going and making babies because we need some babies to be made. And Tom, please turn off your 58 alarms. Federal judge rules against Trump's administration funding cuts to Harvard. Unemployed workers outnumber available job cuts for

• 3:02Patrick Bet-David?

  the first time since 2021. Trump to host tech CEOs. These are a bunch of rich guys for the first event in newly renovated Rose Garden. Delusional CNN host denies polls showing Americans approve of Trump's crime crackdown. Dear Abby, okay? Could be the person's name, who knows? President Trump praises military strike on Venezuelan drug boat. He's looking to ban, you ready for this one? This should be an easy one. Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them mentally ill. This is gonna upset a lot of people, but it's a good move. I think it's a good move. Trump asked Supreme Court to green light tariffs. Florida surgeon general announces, first state,

• 3:46Patrick Bet-David?

  by the way, to consider this, plans to end vaccine mandates in schools. The first state to pull this off. By the way, Rob, were you surprised how long they clapped for him? Yeah, it was about 40, 45 seconds. Are you kidding me? Like the people wouldn't stop clapping for the guy. So that's Florida, folks, but stay in California. It's awesome.

• 4:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Stay in New York, you got an incredible mayor around the corner. But there looks like something we talked about on Wednesday may be becoming a reality. Progressive darling AOC is teaming up with Republicans on a rare issue they have in common, taking on their colleagues who may be cashing in on insider information. Ilhan Omar's net worth is reportedly soared after calling millionaire claims ridiculous. Eric Adams, White House in talks over Trump's administration job as pressure mounts for New York City mayoral candidate, to sink Zoran Mamdani, MSNBC panelist brawl over hypocrite, socialist Mamdani's rent stabilized apartment. Anyways, there's a lot of stuff going on there that if these two or three stepped out, he would be, and we talked about it again on Wednesday, but it's been officially validated.

• 4:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Pashinian, I have to talk about this. Prime Minister of Armenia, after Benjamin Netanyahu recognizes the Armenian genocide, he joins Erdogan from Turkey in objecting to Armenian genocide recognition. Can you imagine if I told you 20 years ago Armenia is gonna have a prime minister after Israel recognizes the Armenian genocide and that prime minister is gonna team up and side with Erdogan, the guy who's leading Turkey? If I told you to average Armenian that was gonna happen, they would say, you're out of your mind, Pat, relax. Conservative media at war with Newsmax accuses Fox News of shocking tactics to edge out rival Paramount. You guys remember the Barry Weiss story? We talked about not Barry White.

• 5:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Barry Weiss won it $200 million. Well, guess what? She's about to get it. Paramount to buy Barry Weiss's free press for up to $200 million and given her senior editorial role at CBS Report. Congratulations to her. If this is true, very happy for her. Daily Wire host calls for the execution of Chicago's mayor. No, he didn't. Oh my God, who wrote the story by the way? Mediite. Okay, all right, well, let's see what they have to say. Fun with headlines. That's right. Salesforce cuts 4,000 jobs due to AI, CEO says. Google ruling show anti- Adam, just grab a seat, buddy. You're okay.

• 6:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Google's ruling shows anti-trust tools struggle to keep up with tech markets. And then we're gonna talk about the tree planting guy and then a few other things happened. I thought Messi played lights out last night against Venezuela, or Venezuelans that we love. He whooped on you guys. And by the way, Messi gave two or three passes. That honestly, you have to be a magician to get it that perfect. And he made it look so easy. So last night Dylan's at the house, he comes back from practice, freaking four hour practice. And I'm telling him Messi had a great game. Messi had a great game. Messi. By the third time I said Messi had a great pass, he says, Dad, I got it.

• 6:50Speaker 06

  Oh, really?

• 6:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I don't want to hear it, that he had a great game. I said, but he kind of plays the way you play. He says, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. Just because Messi didn't talk to him at that one game.

• 7:01Speaker 06

  I love, hey, oh well.

• 7:02Patrick Bet-David?

  From that day.

• 7:03Speaker 06

  He's just anti him.

• 7:04Patrick Bet-David?

  It's so funny. And then we got a few other things with the RFK hearing. If you guys didn't see it, we'll show you a couple of clips. It's pretty nasty how some of the people went after him. Uh, Dearborn Heights, you guys ready for this? Uh, this upsets me. In the US is the first city to have Arabic police patch. Did you want, in America, in an American city, to make sure other people know that it's the Dearborn Heights Police Department, it's written in Arabic. Fantastic. And, uh, to see something like that happen. And Venezuela, we'll talk about the Venezuelan stuff. Kane, Tim Kane is his name, right? Former VP candidate of, uh, the great Hillary Clinton.

• 7:45Speaker 06

  He has no lips.

• 7:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Sparks backlash after calling Declaration of Independence, God given rights. Extremely troubling. And, uh, maybe we'll get into a couple other.

• 7:55Speaker 06

  But can I make one observation? We didn't plan this.

• 7:58Patrick Bet-David?

  No, we didn't plan this at all.

• 7:59Speaker 06

  We look like two, future looks bright, silver. This is my favorite shirt. I have a gold one.

• 8:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And on the back, the logo's also elevated. I didn't know that, that the logo's elevated. They can't see it. That logo is elevated. That is so sick.

• 8:11Speaker 06

  Vinny, take your shirt off real quick. Let me see what's going on.

• 8:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It's tattooed on my chest.

• 8:14Tom Ellsworth?

  It's embossed with the silver.

• 8:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, the elevated one is, and that's not the elevated one, Rob, if you can go back, I think it's the, it's that one right there, the bottom one. Click on that. Is that what you clicked on?

• 8:23Speaker 06

  That's it.

• 8:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the elevated one.

• 8:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's ridiculous.

• 8:25Patrick Bet-David?

  That is absolutely sick.

• 8:27Speaker 06

  Very cool.

• 8:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, folks, go get these because these, these products, I wore them. It feels rea- anybody that sees it up front, they can't believe what it's like, what it looks like.

• 8:38Speaker 06

  And can I say one thing?

• 8:39Patrick Bet-David?

  May I?

• 8:39Speaker 06

  That I wash, I wash and dry. I'm dead serious. Nothing, I, I wash and dry, nothing.

• 8:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing comes off, nothing, because the majority of these do mess up.

• 8:47Speaker 07

  It's amazing.

• 8:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Take it off.

• 8:48Speaker 07

  It's magical. For those of you in California, the ink is flame retardant.

• 8:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Go.

• 8:52Speaker 07

  Wildfire season.

• 8:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to VTmerch.com. Get your future looks bright. By the way, Rob, can you go to the new polo? Can you go to the polo shirts that we got? Guys, I saw a polo shirt that just came in. Eric Caballero was wearing it. First of all, I could not believe how ridiculous these polos were. Can you just go to search and type and, okay, go a little bit lower, see maybe if it's there? Go a little bit lower, lower, lower, lower. Oh, you're about to get to keep going lower. That one right there to the right.

• 9:17Speaker 07

  Oh, snap.

• 9:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my God.

• 9:19Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, and he's jacked.

• 9:20Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, zoom in, go back a little bit, Rob, to zoom in. The buttons are value taming.

• 9:24Speaker 07

  Oh, okay.

• 9:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Logo buttons.

• 9:26Speaker 07

  I got it.

• 9:27Patrick Bet-David?

  And the material is re, I should have shown you the picture of Eric Caballero wearing that shirt.

• 9:32Speaker 07

  And he's jacked.

• 9:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Put the link to that as well. The material of these polos are awesome. For some of you guys that are going to work, it's hot. You want to wear something nice? These are high, high-end quality polo shirts that just came in as well. Rob, if you want to put it on VTmerch, again, this is to all the people that we see. The other day, one of my guys goes to, uh, he's wearing a PBD Podcast shirt, and he goes out to a game. He says, Pat, if I tell you 50 people stopped by, uh, to come and talk to me, we watch it as well, we watch it as well, we watch it as well. To all the crazies out there that support what we're doing, we love you, we appreciate you, and we cannot wait to run into you somewhere here soon. Who knows where that's going to be? To many of you, we'll see you guys in Orlando Monday. We'll all be there. Monday, Vault Conference craziness. That's right. It's gonna come real quick.

• 10:19Speaker 07

  Couple of days away.

• 10:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's get right into it. Just remind me to give those two shout-outs to the greatest pastor and to the domino. Rob, can you remind me to do that before the end of it? I want to get into those stories as well.

• 10:27Speaker 07

  Come on, Rob.

• 10:28Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, okay, so let's get into it. What's the first story we want to go to, Rob? What is the audience saying? What do they want to get into?

• 10:34Speaker 07

  Uh, 50% want to hear about the Epstein press conference yesterday.

• 10:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So, we don't even have anybody that wants to say anything about that, Rob. So where is that story? Not a single person picked the story of Epstein. All right, so let's go through one of them. Let me see this here.

• 10:46Speaker 07

  I have six other stories. Epstein is number one.

• 10:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one do we want to go with? You know what? Why don't you, do you have the Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey one, Rob? Is that Thomas Massey saying something?

• 10:57Speaker 07

  This is Thomas Massey yesterday at the hearing, or I'm sorry, at the press conference where he talks about the, uh, claims that this is going to be another hoax and the Epstein files are a hoax.

• 11:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to play this clip.

• 11:07Speaker 08

  It's shameful that this has been called a hoax. Hopefully today, we can clear that up. This is not a hoax. This is real. There are real survivors. There are real victims to this criminal enterprise. And the perpetrators are being protected because they're rich and powerful and political donors to the establishment here in Washington DC.

• 11:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, aside from that, I saw Gloria Allred calling out. I saw a bunch of different things. Is this Ro Khanna and what is he saying here?

• 11:42Speaker 07

  This is Thomas Massey. He names one of the people implicated in the Epstein.

• 11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, because what he says with Ro Khanna, he says, these kids, these girls, if they go out and say the names, they will be sued for the rest of their lives. He says, but I can do it. We are gonna read out the names. So apparently him and Ro Khanna want to go out there and read off the names that they have because they're not worried about them being sued. But the people that know the names are being told by their lawyers to not leak the names because of specific reasons. Who knows? Gloria Allred, who is somebody who is represented, by the way Gloria Allred, I believe is representing 27 of the rape victims. Rob, can you validate if I, would I, is it 26 or 27? Gloria Allred, who is the goat in the space of, what do you want to call this?

• 12:23Speaker 07

  Defending females.

• 12:24Patrick Bet-David?

  The sexual harassment stuff? She's been the one. Uh, uh, one of the, a very good documentary about her will tell you why she is, yeah, 27 survivors she's representing. So she's representing 27 of the Epstein victims.

• 12:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're worried about going out and giving the names, but here's what Thomas Massey had to say. Go ahead, Rob.

• 12:45Speaker 08

  Give you the name of one of the billionaires who's running $2 million of ads in my district since I started this effort. His name is John Paulson. He's a hedge fund manager and a major donor to the Republican Party, a major donor to the Speaker of the House, a major donor to the President's campaign. And he's in Epstein's black book. Now that's public, but that's indicative of the types of people who may be implicated or, or just embarrassed by a release of, a completely release of these files.

• 13:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so. Vinny, question to you.

• 13:21Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 13:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you still believe nothing's gonna happen to the names? Do you still believe Thomas Massey's time is being wasted? Do you still believe Rokana is wasting his time saying all the stuff that they're saying because nothing's gonna happen? Or do you believe there's gonna be a little bit of justice for some people out there?

• 13:39Speaker 06

  What I wish, Pat, and what I know, like not what I believe is gonna happen, are completely on the opposite. You know what I wish for. I want every single person, not just on the list, Pat. I want, who was there, victim, corroborated story, footage that all of a sudden, nobody knows where it is. No cash to tell, no, no, remember the 10,000 hours of footage, okay? What I'm, what I'm starting to feel like is, because a lot of people are like, Trump's on it, Trump's on it, Trump's on it. Let's put that to the side. We're finding out that people like John Paulson, who was one of the biggest donors to the president, okay? Is on that list, okay? And by the way, I, I do not like how everybody has turned on Thomas Massey.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  He's the only one, to me, him and like Marjorie Taylor Greene, that are actually still keeping this fire freaking lit. And keeping it going, okay? A lot of people are saying, you know, what's her name, Gloria Albright? This whole thing lost credibility because she's involved, because she's all, you know, all about the glitz and the glamour. But think about it, John Paulson's one of them, Pat, if we have to think about it. Besides Bill Clinton, besides, you know, the intelligence agency, which Paula Luna just came out and said that. And Rob, I might have sent it to you. Paula Luna said that the intelligence stuff, that the leaked documents have the CIA, have Israel, and have Russia, and I believe China. Everybody was-

• 14:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Now there's more countries involved?

• 14:58Speaker 06

  She, and I think, yeah, that's it. Pat, if you look right there, she says, "In my opinion, there's definitely an intelligence connection. Countries named, and the lead attorney for the witnesses included Saudi Arabia, Russia, Israel, as well as former CIA director, inferred to the CIA director under the Bush administration."

• 15:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's more than just America or Mossad you're saying now? Russia and Saudi are involved?

• 15:19Speaker 06

  Now, all these, so what these-

• 15:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I wouldn't be surprised.

• 15:20Speaker 06

  I wouldn't be surprised.

• 15:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Why would I be surprised?

• 15:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:23Patrick Bet-David?

  All I heard it was all Mossad.

• 15:24Speaker 06

  So my thing is this, Pat, who, if, if Trump isn't in there, and Trump is innocent, then there has, what's the other explanation? What's the other reason? Protecting people that have given you millions and millions to win. Bill Gates, who I know we'll get into later. Bill Gates yesterday, this guy, of all the stuff that he's done, he's sitting next to the president like everything is good.

• 15:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And Melania.

• 15:45Speaker 06

  And Melania, right there. Mind you, this is the guy that his wife, Melinda, left him and the main reason she said, her words, was because of his relationship after Epstein was already a convicted pedophile. She said, "When I first met him, he was evil personified." You know what I mean? That, that's a huge step. She said, she goes, "He was a pourant," and she goes, "I didn't..."

• 16:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So what are you saying? You're saying, you're saying that the president is protecting a guy like Bill Gates?

• 16:11Speaker 06

  I, I believe, like, people like John Paulson and stuff, this is my, this is just, I guess, some people would say that the reason that this hasn't come out, because, I mean, how mu- Pat, how many mess-ups? How many lies? From Pam Bondi to Cash Patel to Dan Bongino looking like this. He killed himself. Like, somebody had a gun to his head, to now Trump saying it's a Democrat hoax. Something is off, something is off, and I don't think we're ever going to get to the actual answer, and I don't think anybody will go to jail, anybody. And that's a sad, sad thing for me to say.

• 16:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I, I don't know if, okay, so Martha Stewart, she went to jail for five months.

• 16:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:49Patrick Bet-David?

  For insider training and some for, something that everybody today does. And she went away for, right? Okay. Do I, do I think no one's gonna be held accountable? So watch this, Vinny. Here's one way of thinking about it. If you don't believe no one's gonna be held accountable, not 100%, it's never gonna be 100%, just so you know that. It's never gonna be 100%. The reason why it's never gonna be 100% is why? You don't have enough documents to prove. By the way, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

• 17:15Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 17:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But guess what the court needs?

• 17:17Speaker 06

  Proof, proof. Yeah, show me.

• 17:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So I'm talking to one of the guys at school, and the dean at school, and he says to me, he says, "Pat, if I get a claim, and if I don't have documentation, if I don't have anything, if I don't have videos, if I don't have anything, I move on. I can't do anything with it. I need something and a couple other witnesses to say something like that happened." If they have it, they can do it, but watch this. If you don't believe anything can happen and nothing will be held accountable, why are we talking about it? Why are we talking about it? Why talk about it on the podcast? Why bring it up? What's the outcome of us talking about it?

• 17:48Speaker 06

  I want them to know that we know. I want them, I want-

• 17:52Patrick Bet-David?

  But they know, but they know, we need to say it one time and it's plenty. But actually think about to the core. Why do we talk about a certain story? How many times, Rob, would you say? In all the podcasts in 2025, how many podcasts? Say we've done two, four, eight, eight times, seven months, let's just say, is what? Fifty-six? Out of the fifty-six podcasts we've done this year, Home Team Rob, how many times you think Epstein's been mentioned in one of those fifty-six podcasts?

• 18:22Speaker 07

  Maybe a quarter.

• 18:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe a quarter?

• 18:24Speaker 07

  Twenty-five percent.

• 18:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. So let's just say fourteen.

• 18:26Speaker 07

  Higher than that, yeah. Go on.

• 18:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just say fourteen. Why are we talking about it? Actually ask the question, why are we talking about it?

• 18:33Speaker 06

  Actually answer the question?

• 18:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 18:34Speaker 06

  Because we have, I mean, I mean, we're at the point where we are right now because we know it's absolutely insane because they get away with murder, literally, that we want something to change, something to happen. I want justice for the-

• 18:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Where does that come from? What emotion produces that? It's one word. And it starts with the letter H.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  H?

• 18:53Patrick Bet-David?

  It's one word. No, hope.

• 18:55Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, I mean, I, I, I hope that they're gonna frigging-

• 18:58Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. But guess what we need with hope? Hope is a very powerful thing. The moment you no longer hope, you no longer think justice will be held, hope is gone. When hope is gone, what do people do? They give up. When people give up, what happens? More victims. So I believe even bringing it up, and now you're seeing Marjorie, uh, Taylor Greene, you're seeing Ro Khanna, you're seeing Massey. By the way, Marjorie Taylor Greene isn't part of the same camp as Massey. I think Massey's here, Marjorie Taylor Greene is here. Marjorie Taylor Greene was the one when Kevin McCarthy was up on there negotiating all this stuff, says, hey, pick up the phone, Trump. Like, that's, people forget who she is.

• 19:41Patrick Bet-David?

  She's like a America first Trump at the highest level. Now she's here, Rob, go ahead and play this clip.

• 19:48Speaker 09

  The largest press conference that I've seen since I've been here. And this is because this is an issue that matters so much to Americans. This is an issue that doesn't have political boundaries. It's an issue that Republicans and Democrats should never fight about. As a matter of fact, it's such an important issue that it should bring us all together. It's grieved me to watch the arguments and debates take place among my colleagues and even the administration. I think this is something that was worth fighting for. You see, the women behind me are going to tell you stories that you've never heard before.

• 20:29Speaker 09

  These are unimaginable horrors that they've lived with for their entire lives since they were very, very young. But these are also similar stories that many children, teenagers, women, and even men are enduring nightmares right now as we speak.

• 20:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it. So she goes on, and then Rob, there's another clip as well. What is the other clip that President Trump calling it a hoax? Go for it.

• 20:55Speaker 10

  So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends. You know, it reminds me a little of the Kennedy situation. We gave him everything, over and over again, more and more and more, and nobody's ever satisfied. From what I understand, I could check, but from what I understand, thousands of pages of documents have been given. But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president.

• 21:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Both can be right.

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• 22:27Speaker 06

  I know, I know.

• 22:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you saying a hoax?

• 22:31Speaker 06

  Yep, it's not a hoax.

• 22:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Why don't you just say, let's see what happens? I've empowered my guys to find out.

• 22:37Speaker 06

  So let me ask you a question then, Pat. Why would he say that? Why would the President of the United States say, which we all know is not true, that this is a hoax? There are women that are standing there that I guarantee would pass a lie detector test, that they were assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein. And here's my thing, Pat. They're saying, we have the names, we're gonna put out our own list. Why don't they go in a session, bring them in there, bring the people in there? It'd be easy to corroborate with evidence of the footage that the FBI or somebody has, which was it missing? They have the footage of Jeffrey's, of his house with all the footage. What are we even talking about?

• 23:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what is this, the flyover?

• 23:17Speaker 07

  Uh, okay, so this clip right here, hang on one second here. F-16s flew over the Epstein press conference while the victims were...

• 23:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's hear it.

• 23:26Speaker 12

  ...telling me that this was going to happen when it had already happened. This woman abused children.

• 23:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's flying over? What is that?

• 23:41Speaker 06

  That's our F-16s.

• 23:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Intentionally or?

• 23:44Speaker 06

  I have no idea, but the timing is pretty freaking crazy. Look how long they had to stop talking. This is taking place in DC? Yes, on Capitol.

• 23:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, your thoughts? Tom, your thoughts here?

• 23:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Some things die, some things stay, and some things keep getting bigger.

• 24:03Tom Ellsworth?

  And when you have stories like this, this one keeps getting bigger. Now you've got Gloria Allred with even more victims talking about New Mexico Ranch, not just the island, not, uh, Just Lane.

• 24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Zora Ranch.

• 24:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, the Ranch in Texas. In 1996. So you've got three women that's saying, I will give you dates, I will show you flights, I will show you where it was, and we're compiling our own list. So to me, that's more stuff coming. Why do these people do it? They're not, they're not paid influencers hiding behind an account on X just trying to howl at the moon on some issue. You know how that works, lobbyists can pay people to do that. No, these are people coming to a microphone, putting their face in the public eye, and it's getting worse. So, and now MTG, she comes down there, and now she comes out, and then there's little things going on, what's she doing? And people are upset with her. She's taking political risks coming to that microphone.

• 25:00Tom Ellsworth?

  And now you have MTG, it's getting worse. And so I, I look at it as that people are realizing the depth of what happened here. And I think that there's a deal. It's like, why does Just Lane go from one prison down to the? A lesser prison. A lesser, a lesser restrictive and a lesser harsh prison by a lot of people's descriptions. Yeah. That's in Texas. Why, why, how did she move there? Was this part of the negotiation? Todd Blanch. Look, I'll talk to you, I'll give you an interview, but you, you gotta move me Help me, yeah. To a little bit more comfortable prison. They didn't send her to a condo, they sent her to another prison. So Pat, it keeps getting worse. And, and that's what bothers me.

• 25:44Tom Ellsworth?

  What bothers me is more keeps coming out. It's not more people covering it.

• 25:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He just has to do one thing. Stop calling it a hoax. I agree. Stop, you know, trolling this topic because you're turning your own team against you. Keep saying, "I've empowered Bondi, I've empowered Cash, I've empowered Ana Paulina, I've empowered them, and whatever they come out with, we will release." Stop calling it a hoax. You can't keep calling it a hoax. It is, it is, it is, you have so many great things that's going on right now in America. So many great things. Streets of the biggest criminal, you know, crimes, homicides taking, you're cleaning it up. Border is clean.

• 26:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Tariffs, thirty billion in August, guys. Thirty billion dollars of revenue in August. Cash to the US and United States. Cash to the US, this is a record-breaking month in the history of America with tariffs. They thought inflation was gonna be crazy. Didn't happen. You, you, you got, you got stuff that's going on right now where rates are about to go down three more times between now and the end of the year, give or take. Two or three more times between now and the end of the year. This is stuff that we've never seen. Border is clean. You're doing deals with people. You've cornered people that are wanting to do stuff with you. They're coming to you, they're knocking on the door. Don't say hoax. It's not helping your camp out. Leave it alone and let them do the job. He has a way of saying things which is very powerful.

• 27:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I hope he's watching this, even if it's by himself. When you say things like, "I don't know, honestly, I don't know what's going on with that." I mean, the reality, I've hired great people, and let's see what they find out, and justice will prevail, and let's leave it up to them. And if it happened, great, if it didn't happen, great. But guess what? What I don't like is a lot of people use the Me Too movement to ruin a lot of men's lives, and that concerns me. And that's something that makes me very uncomfortable, because we saw when it happened at first. Everything was about Me Too, Me Too, Me Too, everybody, one by one by one, they started thirty million, twenty million, eighteen million, sixteen million, it was like, "Let me get everybody." And doesn't mean everybody was part of the Me Too movement, right? So I'm, I have a little, I'm a little bit sympathetic to that because I saw what happened that it ruined a lot of men's lives.

• 27:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But if there are people that did do it, and there is proof to it, let justice prevail. That's all you have to say. You don't need to say hoax. There's no benefit of saying that. There's literally no benefit of calling it that. All these massive documentaries that are being done where kids are saying, a girl goes and brought 14-year-old girls to Epstein that he hooked up with, and he got, she got paid $200 for bringing a 14-year-old girl from her high school.

• 28:25Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 28:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that's an act? And then she got in trouble because she brought 24 girls to Epstein. Why would she get in trouble for bringing 24 girls? Why would the cops say you're also committing a crime? What is the crime? She brought underage girls to Epstein. The cops says, "You're also a criminal." What did I do wrong? How about him? Well, no, you're bringing underage... So if she's getting in trouble for it, so that means he's doing it. So if he's doing it, the victims are there. This is not a, this is overly documented. So, I don't know, I think every time it goes like this, notice the pattern with, and I don't want to go a lot with Epstein from urine, Adam. I just want to move on to the next stories. If you have anything unique you want to say, tell me. If it's anything that's the same old, if this is not on my top 20 list, this is not this.

• 29:11Patrick Bet-David?

  We can just move on. I'll come to a different story with you. But this is what I want you to be thinking about. If it goes like this, notice the Epstein story. It peaks, then what does it do?

• 29:21Adam Sosnick?

  Dips.

• 29:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Dips. And then you say hoax?

• 29:24Adam Sosnick?

  Boom.

• 29:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And it comes back up?

• 29:25Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 29:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So guess what? It's because you keep, you're the momentum. Change the script. Give a different message. And let your guys do the part. Whatever you truly want to say, say privately. Stop calling it a hoax publicly. There's other things that we can go with. I just, I just don't know if I like that approach that he's taking. Is there anything unique you want to say? Go ahead.

• 29:49Adam Sosnick?

  So, you may not want to call it a hoax. You might not want to call it a cover-up, but you can certainly call it a secret. Because are you familiar with the secret rule? In grand jury testimonies, a rule called 6E. Have you heard about any of this? So you guys cover Epstein more than me, but I heard something that might be the reason that nobody can say a damn word. So find out what rule 6E is. It's basically secrecy. It's a secrecy rule for the US federal grand juries and it's basically a shield while where you can't say anything at all. It's like a gag order or a sealed document, no matter what the rule is. So why does this always come back to the courts? Always come back to the courts? Always come back to the courts?

• 30:33Adam Sosnick?

  You think Thomas Massey knows anything about this? You think Marjorie Taylor Greene knows anything about this? If Pam Bondi and Cash Patel and Dan Bongino aren't saying anything, these two guys don't know anything. But I would encourage you to look into this thing called the secret rule called Rule 6E. Shout out to Jeffrey Mead to talking about this. It's basically saying there's a gag order and you can't say a thing. So I'm removing complete emotion from this. Everyone gets so worked up about Epstein, but according to sealed documents, they cannot unseal them in court.

• 31:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What the hell are you saying? What's the point? What do you mean? Rule 6E secrecy requirement. So that's why you keep saying it's a hoax? And you think that's the right move? For me to keep saying it's a hoax instead of saying I've empowered people to do the job and let's see what comes out. I've empowered them to do the job. Now you're saying the biggest press conference now girl that was on your side flips and is loud? You think Marjorie Taylor Greene is quiet? Girl trains five, six times a day. She can do more pushups than and pullups than 99% of men out there. You think she's gonna stop? You think that's gonna stop?

• 31:38Adam Sosnick?

  Nancy Mace?

• 31:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Those are two different things. This could be correct. Yeah, but, but all I'm saying, my, my, my frustration with this isn't with this. Let. Let the guys do their part and find out what's the bottom of it. Let's get to the bottom of this.

• 31:54Adam Sosnick?

  I think everybody wants to get to the bottom of this, but this is a reason why they can never get to the bottom. Because the courts are intervening and saying, no, you're not going to find out anything.

• 32:03Patrick Bet-David?

  My position is a different position.

• 32:04Tom Ellsworth?

  These victims from New Mexico weren't in front of grand juries. They're coming to a microphone and saying what happened to them in 1996, Adam.

• 32:09Adam Sosnick?

  I didn't make this law, guys.

• 32:10Speaker 06

  No, no, Adam, what are you?

• 32:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm saying what the law is.

• 32:12Speaker 06

  No, Adam, what are you saying?

• 32:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Why don't you look up? It was meant to protect, it was meant to protect witnesses from other witnesses. That if I leaked, we're in a mob grand jury and all of us are testifying against it. And I mentioned who was in there with me and I mentioned also what went on in there. All of us could be retaliated against by the mob that wants to kill witnesses. So there are things in grand jury, I don't think it has anything to do with Epstein. These victims from 1996 from New Mexico are talking about what happened to themselves.

• 32:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Definitely has something to do with Epstein.

• 32:40Tom Ellsworth?

  And talking about in hearings, in open hearings that Nancy Mace leaves in tears because it relates to her. So there may be grand jury elements here, but there's a lot of people, it's getting up and.

• 32:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, like a blessing.

• 32:51Adam Sosnick?

  Sorry, Pat, that's.

• 32:52Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 32:52Adam Sosnick?

  Don't argue with me, by the way.

• 32:53Speaker 06

  No, we're not, no.

• 32:54Adam Sosnick?

  Argue with ChatGPT and Rule 16.

• 32:56Speaker 06

  Adam, ready for this?

• 32:57Adam Sosnick?

  Because that's what it says here.

• 32:57Speaker 06

  Adam, ready for this? I'm a girl that was assaulted by Epstein and some of these higher ups. I haven't gone to court, I haven't done nothing, but I'm going to the stand and I have a story to tell. There's nothing to do with grand jury. She hasn't been to court yet. What happens to that girl? Like, ready for this? I was raped. I was underage and X, Y, and Z at Epstein Island altar. And guess what? They're all in government or they're all big Silicon Valley guys. She has nothing to do with this rule. That's the thing. How was she going to come forward? Because the one girl that came forward, what happened to her? The Prince Andrew, the girl, they paid her off, right? What was it, Pat?

• 33:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 06

  Virginia Goofy. What happened to that poor girl? They gave her money. The prince, a prince of England.

• 33:37Patrick Bet-David?

  She got hit by a bus.

• 33:38Speaker 06

  Got hooked up with an underage girl and you know what his penalty was? A little bit of money and a slap on the wrist from the queen, from his mother. And that was it. Pedophilia put under the rug. That's it. That's what happened.

• 33:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It's very simple.

• 33:49Adam Sosnick?

  Nobody's a fan of the media, Andrew.

• 33:51Tom Ellsworth?

  For me, trying to get to the bottom line of why they're not sealing these documents.

• 33:54Patrick Bet-David?

  What did the girls, what did the girls, did you have one of what the girls were saying or no?

• 33:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, that, here, here's the victim talking about putting together their own list together.

• 34:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 34:03Speaker 14

  Transparency is justice. Release the files and the secrecy and stand with us in declaring that no one, no billionaires, no politicians, not world leaders, is above the law.

• 34:21Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna keep getting bigger, guys.

• 34:22Speaker 14

  And let me announce now.

• 34:23Patrick Bet-David?

  For one reason.

• 34:24Speaker 14

  Several of us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names.

• 34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Please hurry up. Do it.

• 34:33Adam Sosnick?

  Why haven't they done it yet?

• 34:34Patrick Bet-David?

  They don't want to get hit by a freaking bus. So check this out. So let me, let me put it to you this way. To me, every time he says hoax, these things are gonna get bigger. Very simple. Every time they say hoax, this is gonna get bigger. And bigger, and bigger, and bigger. It ain't gonna get smaller. FYI, if I was a Democrat right now,

• 34:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I would be running with this 24/7. Well, they are. If I was a Democrat. Not like that. If I was a Democrat, I'm not talking mainstream, because mainstream knows a lot of the guys on that list are also Democrats. So a lot of Democrats also don't want their best friends and stuff to be affected by it, so that's why they're not doing it. But if I'm anything on the other side, like you're seeing Newsom's driving this. Newsom's on top of it, right? If I'm any of those guys, I'd be driving this. But I think Trump is sitting there saying they're not going to because both sides are implicated. Both sides are, uh, what do you call it? Uh, is that the word? Yeah, implicated. They're both guilty. So if they're both guilty, that's, but all I'm saying to you is, keep saying hoax. Keep saying hoax and see if this thing goes away. It's not gonna go away. It's gonna keep getting

• 35:40Patrick Bet-David?

  bigger. Let's get to next story here. Uh, next story I want to get to is, uh, in regards to, uh, Mamdani and Eric Adams. It's a very interesting story, what happened here. On Wednesday, we read a poll that showed that if Curtis Sliwa, if Eric Adams, and if, yeah, if those two stepped out the race, Cuomo, Andrew would be beating Mamdani. And I was the poll, and I said, well, if that's gonna be the case, someone's gotta give, uh, Mayor Adams a job, and someone's gotta give Sliwa a job at the White House. President Trump needs to make that phone call, and guess what happened? That's the story that apparently now is circulating. Eric Adams and White House

• 36:23Patrick Bet-David?

  in talks, we literally said this two days ago, in talks over Trump administration job, as pressure mounts for New York City mayoral candidates to sink. Zoran Mamdani, okay? Let me, let me read this and then I'm gonna come to this Mamdani because now Mamdani is saying that, "Why don't you come and debate me?" Mamdani is rea- he knows this game very well, you gotta give him credit. He knows how to do a spin job and make it all about him and that's, that's what he's supposed to be doing. "Top White House officials are in talks with a potential job for Eric Adams, including a possible ambassadorship, nothing related to Turkey as Thompson said earlier, as pressure mounts for mayoral candidates to drop out in candidate support for, around former Governor Andrew Cuomo to challenge Democratic Zoran Mamdani.

• 37:08Patrick Bet-David?

  A source close to Trump administration said, "I think Adams will be able to craft a position and a portfolio that's to his liking." While another source to the White House said, "I've heard Adams' team wants it." And although Mayor Adams has been the most pro-housing mayor in New York City history, no, and at no time did he ask for it, nor was he offered a job at HUD. So hence, that's kinda one of the things that's coming up. Rob, play this clip with Mamdani.

• 37:34Speaker 00

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• 38:31Speaker 15

  I think it's outrageous and I think oftentimes in a race such as this it's tempting to think of this solely in the question of how does this impact the race but this is an affront to our city's democracy this is an affront to the values that make so many of us proud to be Americans that we could choose our own leaders not that our leaders pick themselves or their friends and we're seeing in this time when Donald Trump has taken snap from hungry New Yorkers has passed legislation that would throw millions of New Yorkers off their health insurance that we have Democrats in Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams working with this administration to try and subvert the will of Democratic primary voters right here in New York City.

• 39:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's Mom Donnie. Eric Adams denies that there was anything there. He's saying, what happened Tom? He's saying there's anything there. What's this one Rob? This is the...

• 39:19Speaker 07

  This is CNN reporting. I can't find a clip of Eric Adams actually denying the rumors but CNN reports that he has denied the rumors.

• 39:25Patrick Bet-David?

  That he has denied the report. Okay, so we don't need to play the clip. I thought it was Adams. That's fine. So we know he's denied it. Tom, what do you think's going on here?

• 39:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, first of all, also, this just in, independent candidate, 3% of the polling, one poll had him at 4%. Jim Walden has dropped out, so now he's out and we're working on Eric Adams. I love to carefully look at words that people say. "I have not been offered a job in the White House." And then I looked around and there was two little leaks and I, you don't know how credibility, that he's actually being offered a job at HUD. Well, if he's offered a job at HUD...

• 40:03Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not the White House.

• 40:04Tom Ellsworth?

  It's not the White House. I'm not being offered a job in the White, I'm being offered a job on the HUD. But guess what? Where there's smoke, there's fire. I believe Eric Adams is in talks and by the way, if you look at his background with police and union and understanding the plight of the inner city and the things that he responded to with domestic violence and everything that he did with the police, I actually think he would be good at HUD with that kind of experience with the kind of things that HUD tries to do to help downtown cities. So I actually think Eric Adams, it wouldn't be like one of these member in college kids would get a job watering the grass. For like $300 a week because he's on the football team.

• 40:43Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 40:43Tom Ellsworth?

  And then you find out that the sprinklers are on a timer.

• 40:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:46Tom Ellsworth?

  They're just giving him cash. He gets $300 a week. No, I don't think it's something like that at all. I think Eric Adams is negotiating. I think you were dead on, Pat. You were correct in what you said, and now we're seeing it in print. I think he's gonna be at HUD. I think that's very possible. I think that would actually be a good job for him. And Walden is out, which means that right now, that's probably another 10 full points. You go back to Cuomo. So I think Cuomo is probably at 40.0 right now with this. If, if, if he steps back. Now Curtis.

• 41:21Speaker 06

  Silwa.

• 41:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Silwa is the, Silwa or Sliwa? From Guardian Angels. That's gonna be the tough one. I think that's gonna be the Ross Perot guy in the middle here. That's what I think.

• 41:32Speaker 06

  Well, let me ask you a question. Do you guys think with all this, with Eric Adams leaving, Walden leaving, do you think New Yorkers are gonna rally around Cuomo? And is that push gonna be hard enough? Are they gonna forget all the stuff he did while he was governor, especially during COVID with all the nursing home deaths that are, is looming over him? And, and the controversy with the women and all that stuff?

• 41:52Tom Ellsworth?

  As they say, that's his bloody albatross, is the old thing.

• 41:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that's gonna get in the way? I don't think it is.

• 41:56Speaker 06

  You don't like?

• 41:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you how politics work, Vinny. It's such a.

• 42:00Speaker 06

  Crazy.

• 42:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's not, to the average person, it won't make sense. Because you could have something right now that's, like, you realize the governor of California hooked up with his best friend's wife campaign manager.

• 42:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's the governor of California.

• 42:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you realize the governor of California got 24 billion dollars to clean up homelessness and it increased by 36,000.

• 42:24Speaker 06

  It's crazy. It's crazy.

• 42:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So to me, politics is very weird.

• 42:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:29Patrick Bet-David?

  And these guys, they know, you have to learn how to be Teflon. You're gonna be in the tornado for the next two, three weeks. They're gonna attack you nonstop. It's gonna go away. And then you're gonna come back. Americans move on. There's gonna be new story cycle and da, da, da, da. That's what happens.

• 42:42Speaker 06

  So do you think, do you think, that being said, I agree. Do you think with Mamdani's rise right now, because he's climbing?

• 42:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 42:49Speaker 06

  Do you think them leaving and Cuomo coming in, it'll be a close race?

• 42:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's gonna be a close race.

• 42:53Speaker 06

  Oh, okay. That's what we need.

• 42:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it's gonna be a very close race with the involvement of one person.

• 42:58Speaker 06

  DJT.

• 42:59Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it.

• 42:59Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 43:00Patrick Bet-David?

  With that, Adam?

• 43:01Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know. I'm actually with Mamdani on this. I think this stinks to high heaven. You know, Trump. What made a famous line, "It's a rigged system, it's a rigged system, it's a rigged system." This seems like a rigged system because in a democracy, you don't want to avert the will of the people. You know, democracy, they sometimes the politicians want to protect the people from the decisions that the people make. Sometimes you gotta let the people make some damn bad decisions. And that's what needs to happen in New York City. So, you know, people in 2011, they were doing the Occupy Wall Street movement because they were pissed as hell as the big bank bailouts. And they had every right to think that way.

• 43:42Adam Sosnick?

  Chamath, the famous from the All In podcast, you know, when they bailed out the airlines, he said, "Let them fail." If you're making bad decisions and you're doing stock buybacks and you're not prepared for a black swan event or anything like that, then you should fail. New York City is a failing city and you're going to try to avert the will of the people who want this socialist communist Islamist. Let them have who they want. Let the boy watch, as they say. So, a democracy is only as strong as the wisdom of the people. And if the wisdom of the people in New York City want Mam Donnie, give them Mam Donnie. Stop trying to basically have Trump come in, Eric Adams, Cuomo. That seems like a rigged system. Now, I'm no Mam Donnie fan, but I'm a fan of democracy.

• 44:26Speaker 06

  But let me ask you a question, Adam. This, America isn't just some company like Boeing or whatever like that. You're talking about, and I know where you stand on this, is it, are you, like, he's not interfering, he's helping. Do you think him getting involved isn't trying to help from a quote unquote, or alleged communist terrorist sympathizer, whatever the hell the media is calling him? Are you willing to go, "Hey, let them learn." And then he comes in and then, and then in Dearborn, you have freaking Arabic writing on freaking, like, and then it starts spreading and then we get to a point where you're like, "Wait a minute, we shouldn't have let that one guy get in, in New York." Because if it starts there, it's going to keep spreading.

• 45:00Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you, buddy, there's a lot of, there's a lot that you said that I agree with. And that's, these are, these are going to be conversations, Vinny, that we're going to be having. Every year for the next couple decades of do we want people who don't stand for typical American values running our government?

• 45:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't, I don't.

• 45:19Adam Sosnick?

  And we're gonna see them, you think, you think Mambani is the last Islamic communist?

• 45:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, no, hell no.

• 45:25Adam Sosnick?

  Look at him in Minneapolis and all the... So, get ready for more.

• 45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  There's, there's a part of what Adam is saying is an actual good point, but...

• 45:33Adam Sosnick?

  That's shocking.

• 45:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob laughing. But the part you gotta be thinking about...

• 45:38Adam Sosnick?

  You probably misspoke.

• 45:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But the part you're probably thinking, you have to think about, this is politics. They're gonna call for the favors. Very simple.

• 45:46Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, no doubt.

• 45:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're gonna do it on the left, they're gonna do it on the right, they're gonna do it everywhere. What do you think is going on, right? California is gonna be 48 to 4 on House of Representatives for the state. Out of 52 House of Representatives in the state of California by November 4th, if this gerrymandering new structure goes down, 48 is gonna be on the left. What kind of control you think they're gonna have? You know, same with Texas. What they did there, they even crock it about to be fired by November 4th. So, this is the political game, but there's a guy, every once in a while, somebody's endorsement carries weight. Okay? For a long time, it used to be Obama. Obama no longer carries weight.

• 46:24Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, no.

• 46:25Patrick Bet-David?

  His voice no longer carries the weight it used to carry at all, and it's not even close. Trump's voice has just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. Everybody wants his endorsement. He gets involved left, right, and center, things get done, people move. And I think there's one guy that can do this for New York, and he's got a heart for New York, family, parents, dad, all of that stuff. You don't have to agree with it, but that's probably what's gonna end up happening.

• 46:50Adam Sosnick?

  I, I, listen, you know, I'm on the Trump team, I'm on the Trump train. I don't think Trump carries that much weight in New York City at this point. New York City, I, I get that, that they leaned towards Trump this time, he didn't win New York, he didn't win the state. I don't think that that he's helping the cause here because anyone who's Republican or independent is already voting against Mombani. You need to convince people in the Democratic Party to stop voting against their own interests and not vote for Mombani. None of those people are Trump guys. So from a macro perspective, from a federal perspective, presidential perspective, I think, I think New York City hates Trump.

• 47:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think New York City, there are people that hate Trump, but a lot less than what it was 10 years ago.

• 47:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, because they're waking up. We're still seeing the reverberations of how woke New York City is now.

• 47:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He's, he's optimistic on what he can do, and I think it's more than you think. But I also understand what your point you're making, the fact that, you know, let him fail, let the too big to fail happen.

• 47:51Adam Sosnick?

  Here's my prediction. I'll give it to you in 10 seconds or less. Mombani gets elected, city turns to crap. They find a, in, you know, five years, their next mayor Rudy Giuliani, and they clean up that city because it needs to go to the depths of hell.

• 48:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it'll be too late because I think.

• 48:06Adam Sosnick?

  That's what they said in the 90s.

• 48:07Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I think it'll be too late because, you know, people, when, when democratic socialists took over Detroit, what happened? It's, it's too late. When that happens and billionaires leave, they're not coming back. Once the billionaires leave, Ken Griffin's not going back to Chicago.

• 48:20Adam Sosnick?

  Rest in peace, New York City.

• 48:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, that's what I'm saying. If this happens, it's gonna be.

• 48:24Adam Sosnick?

  What a shame.

• 48:25Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna be catastrophic and they'll feel it. Okay, let's go to next story here. Next story I want to go to is, uh, uh, Google ruling show anti-trust tools struggled to keep up with tech markets. This is a Wall Street Journal story. Uh, uh, let me get to this one here with Google. Boom, there we go. A US District Judge Amit Mehta ruling on Tuesday found Alphabet's Google guilty of illegally monopolizing the online search market, but imposed modest penalties requiring Google to share some search data with competitors and barring exclusive contracts for its search engine, Chrome, Google Assistant and Gemini app while rejecting the Justice Department's push for divestiture, divestiture of Chrome or Android.

• 49:11Patrick Bet-David?

  The decision following a five-year legal battle starting in 2020 allows Google to maintain its roughly $20 billion annual payment. To Apple for default search status on iPhones with meta noting, cutting off payments from Google almost certainly will impose substantial in some cases, crippling downstream harms to their distribution partner related to markets and consumers, which counsels against a broad payment ban. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 49:34Tom Ellsworth?

  So what's very, very interesting to me is what you just said. Apple is getting $20 billion a year from Google.

• 49:41Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a membership fee.

• 49:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, and so.

• 49:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, it's a lot of people doing that.

• 49:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep, and so they're paying Apple to get preferential treatment on iPhone, iPhone markets, the, you know, the App Store. And so what we're seeing here is that there's kind of a pretzel, right? Look at Venezuela. What kind of airplanes flew over our ship? Ours, our really old ones that were sold to Venezuela, but that was our old, old, old airplane, still flying. It could have ended up in the water if Venezuela wasn't careful. But it shows you the pretzel, right? The pretzel that's in, and the Wall Street Journal headline was remarkably correct. It shows antitrust tools struggle to keep up with the tech markets.

• 50:29Tom Ellsworth?

  What they're trying to keep up with is like, Apple's like, well, if Google's a monopoly on this, yeah, well, we're kind of a monopoly in other ways, too. Maybe we don't yell too loud and we just keep the 20 billion coming from Google. I think it's simple as that. Because it is so hard now to break them up. For a year, for a year, it's been talking about that Chrome would be spun out to somebody else. And we've covered on this podcast, remember, Pat, we would cover deals like between companies, we said, and Chrome is also be a part of it? And this other company over here was looking at that, and it's like, oh, there's the deal coming together. But guess what? At the end of the day, somehow, the judge, now, why did the judge think that? Cutting off payments from Google will impose substantial,

• 51:14Tom Ellsworth?

  some cases crippling downstream harms to distribution partners. Who said that? The distribution partners, you can't let this happen. It'll cause crippling downstream harm to me. So he said, okay, I guess we'll, I'll tell you, this is what we'll do. You can't do this. You can't do this, but you're, you're going to maintain your monopoly in search ads. And guess what that means? That means when Apple gets charged over, you know, a lot of people are upset about this 30% vig that they put across everybody and they say that's monopolistic. So when Apple's in court, guess who they're going to expect to be whispering on the other side to say it's so bad?

• 51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Google.

• 51:49Speaker 16

  Yeah, Google.

• 51:50Tom Ellsworth?

  So what's the bottom line, Tom? The bottom line is it's like, it's like a pretzel of relationships here where suddenly the titans and you've got Google, Microsoft and Apple are all three very, very large that are vulnerable from this type of investigations, legislations by the Department of Commerce and Federal Trade Commission. And they're all, I think, at the end of the day, going to kind of help each other because this comment that came from the judge didn't come out of his own deliberations. That came out of the mouth of a distribution partner.

• 52:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm. By the way, so it, it, it's going to be, it's going to be interesting what this does to open it up for others, you know? And I know a few months ago, Tom, if I'm not mistaken, the, uh, uh, whether it was FTC, somebody was trying to force them to sell Chrome. Who offered money for Chrome about two, three months ago? Somebody offered $60 billion to buy Chrome. Uh, uh, who was the company that offered $60 billion? It was like one of those AI companies. Was it perplexity? Who offered?

• 52:49Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think that's right.

• 52:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Perplexity offered $34.5 billion to buy Chrome and they did this with a public announcement ahead of the hearing. So they were wanting the US Department of Justice antitrust to know that, hey, I know you guys are going through Google. If you really want to break them apart with monopoly, we got an offer here for you. And it's actually a great move because-

• 53:12Tom Ellsworth?

  They did it on purpose.

• 53:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, when we were dealing with this property and was trying to buy this property, I was, I was speaking to the DOJ and the FBI regularly on a, on a weekly basis. And I told them, I said, if you, you guys want to wait till he gets charged to sell the property or when can you sell it? And I made an offer before this, the challenge, the scandal that was taking place. Apparently the owner had, uh, some business relationships with Biden's brother or something like that. He was going away for something, uh, here. It was actually a, a big scandal. And then eventually we made the offer and then the DOJ realized that we're interested and then later on they brought us in. As one of the leading, uh, what do you call it, bidders for the auction and then we ended up picking up the property.

• 53:51Adam Sosnick?

  By the way, this offer wasn't made to Google. It was, but it was really meant to be in the ear of the judge.

• 53:56Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 53:57Adam Sosnick?

  So that Google would say Chrome is so expensive, who on earth would buy it? Well, hang on a second. These perplexity guys are in the parking lot with thirty four billion dollars.

• 54:05Speaker 06

  Cash money. Three point four, three point, thirty four point five billion dollars cash.

• 54:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You better believe Google knows who their enemy is now.

• 54:14Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:14Patrick Bet-David?

  They know who they're targeting. Adam, thoughts?

• 54:17Adam Sosnick?

  Well, in a unrelated note, they, they announced that Trump is going to be hosting all the big tech bros at the newly renovated Rose Garden at the White House. So everyone you're talking about is going to be in the same room in, uh, DC. So the Google boys will be there. Um, Mark Zuckerberg is going to be there. Tim Cook from Apple is going to be there. Bill Gates is going to be there.

• 54:38Speaker 06

  They're basically there yesterday. They're there yesterday.

• 54:40Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, the Palantir guys, Sam Altman, uh, Jeff Bezos, I think his team is going to be there from, uh, Blue Origin allegedly. You know who's conveniently left off this list? Oh, my God.

• 54:51Speaker 06

  Elon?

• 54:51Adam Sosnick?

  Elon Musk is not invited to the big tech bro conference. Now, I think he has his, you know, consigliere David Sacks. I think they're pretty tight, right? Those guys hang out, but this is reminiscent of when Biden conveniently left Elon Musk off the big EV summit, green, uh, summit and the White House in, uh, I think 2022. And, uh, that pretty much backfired on Biden's behalf, but interesting to see here.

• 55:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I just verified this. Elon Musk tweeted that he was invited.

• 55:23Adam Sosnick?

  Really?

• 55:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Couldn't attend. Yeah. So a big difference with Biden.

• 55:26Adam Sosnick?

  Attend?

• 55:26Patrick Bet-David?

  But what difference with Biden? Biden didn't invite.

• 55:28Adam Sosnick?

  Correct. Okay, gotcha.

• 55:30Patrick Bet-David?

  But here he tweeted and says, I was invited, but I wasn't able to attend. That a representative would attend on his behalf. So the White House did confirm that his company had been invited and would be represented, but it wasn't clear if Musk would.

• 55:43Adam Sosnick?

  Sure. And I'm glad that you found that. Let's read into this a little bit.

• 55:45Speaker 06

  But under rule sixteen G, he can't say he was invited.

• 55:49Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly. Uh, if, if all the big boys are going to be there, you know, the Bezos of the world, the Zucks of the world, the Gates of the world, the Google boys. What does Elon have going on conveniently that day that he can't make this big meeting? Clearly, there's still some bad blood.

• 56:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, no, no. I think for sure, but it's important to know that he was invited. It's a big difference. I don't think Trump is afraid of inviting or not inviting for the guy to be there at a tech meeting that he's having because he knows that now he would be just like Biden if he didn't invite him. I just want to make sure.

• 56:23Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, but also, out of all those names that I mentioned, who does Elon Musk have the most beef with?

• 56:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Who does he have most beef with?

• 56:32Adam Sosnick?

  Out of all the tech.

• 56:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I have no idea who he has.

• 56:33Adam Sosnick?

  Doesn't he have major beef with Sam Altman?

• 56:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, beef with a lot. Elon has beef with a lot of people.

• 56:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, but who does it the most?

• 56:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He may have beef with every one of those guys in the room. And you know, the Google guys, you know the story with the Google?

• 56:45Adam Sosnick?

  Certainly Gates.

• 56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's got beef with a lot of people.

• 56:47Adam Sosnick?

  What was the Google story? There was like a wife involved?

• 56:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 56:50Speaker 06

  Speaking of Elon, just because ValueTainment, I just saw that we posted a Tesla offers unprecedented one trillion dollar pay package to Musk. A trillion dollars they just offered him.

• 57:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I told you, he'll be a trillioner within eighteen to twenty six months.

• 57:03Speaker 06

  I was right here and I was like, I agree.

• 57:05Adam Sosnick?

  Guys, I don't know. Like I say all the time, a trillion dollars ain't what it used to be, guys.

• 57:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Just, you know, it's.

• 57:11Adam Sosnick?

  How are you supposed to?

• 57:12Speaker 06

  You know what?

• 57:12Adam Sosnick?

  How are you supposed to pay rent in New York City?

• 57:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me.

• 57:15Adam Sosnick?

  The cost of living, trillion dollars.

• 57:17Patrick Bet-David?

  What you may want to consider doing.

• 57:19Speaker 06

  You could buy Central America.

• 57:20Patrick Bet-David?

  What you may want to consider doing is one of the highest paying jobs right now allegedly is planting trees.

• 57:25Speaker 06

  Really? Oh, yeah, that's right.

• 57:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And there's this guy named Kawhi Leonard.

• 57:30Speaker 06

  He's French?

• 57:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, yeah, he's actually got massive hands.

• 57:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, he's, I think he picked up the French name when he played for a city called Toronto Raptors.

• 57:40Speaker 06

  Toronto.

• 57:41Patrick Bet-David?

  And then he played for San Antonio. And then when he went to Clippers, there's a guy who was the former CEO of the Microsoft. This guy is worth a couple hundred billion dollars. On any given day, he's worth between a hundred fifty to two hundred billion dollars. He decides to find a way to pay Kawhi Leonard allegedly more money than the contract to be able to bring him in. So they started a company. This guy that found out about this, who reported on this, is a, I think he's just a, you know, a regular independent journalist. Pablo Toro, who found out that the shell endorsement deal, they started a shell company that is a tree planting company. That's a joke.

• 58:25Patrick Bet-David?

  In the contract, it is required to pay KL1 and KL2. I'm sorry, KL2, who is KL? Kawhi Leonard to inspire 7 million dollars a year for four years. Okay, is what the contract was. And this is how he paid them the money. Okay, 7 million dollars. Now, Rob, if you can find it, Ballmer was interviewed to address this because this is, he was interviewed to address this and his answer is actually, he should run for office. The way he gives the answer. So that's the fact of a way for them to get more money, to avoid the salary cap,

• 59:09Patrick Bet-David?

  create a fake money, to allegedly funnel money, fake company to allegedly funnel. That's the one right there, Rob. He's been asked about it and Tom, watch what he said here. Go ahead.

• 59:18Speaker 16

  Let's talk to the fan. We signed that deal with Kawhi before any of this, before any of this, before Kawhi even knows these people. We've signed our deal. That's high integrity. We made our deal with aspiration. Literally, I had no control over the company. Literally, even when I invested, I think there was somebody who put in six times as much money as I did. No control. And that's okay. The average fan should understand that. And they went off and made a deal. I don't know what the deal is. I know what the reports are with the speculation. I don't know what the deal is or was.

• 59:59Speaker 16

  And frankly, I can't even tell you whether it's this much different, that much different, or not different at all from some of the other endorsement contracts that athletes do. In terms of amount, I don't know. I actually don't know the amounts of most endorsement deals. But when you look at. Forbes magazine and they talk about the highest paid athletes. Many of those top athletes, as Kawhi was a top athlete, is a top athlete. You know, you read those things and they say they make more off endorsements than they do their, you know, very large salaries. So I don't know what to expect, but I think the average fan may not either. But we did things by the book and I don't know what those deals should look like. Nor do I know what this one looked like specifically.

• 1:00:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you stop? Allegedly, he invested 50 million dollars into it. Okay. And there was a, the co-founder, a guy named Joe Sandberg of aspiration, who was, has pleaded guilty of fraud charges for defrauding investors of over 248 million dollars. Rob, can you pull this guy up? 248 million dollars. Joe Sandberg, without a D, like Ryan Sandberg, take the D out for Sandberg. There you go. Zoom in. Sandberg arrested March of 2025 on charge of defrauding investors for 145 million dollars. On August 2025, Department of Justice announced that Sandberg has agreed, plead guilty,

• 1:01:24Patrick Bet-David?

  plead guilty to defrauding multiple investors and lenders of 248. And Ballmer put 50 into this. So Ballmer may be right. Okay, on what happened here, who knows what was going to go here. But Tom, what else do you know about the story?

• 1:01:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I know what I heard and what I heard there was Steve Ballmer saying, I had no control over the company. We did it by the book. And when you hear those two things, it tends to make you wonder about, okay, what's the third leg of the stool here, Steve? Did you have any idea that there is another deal out there? Just answer that question. Okay, you did your deal by the book. You did it before this one happened. You had no control over this company. All right, you've got your deniability, you're clean. It's called keeping yourself clean. You're clean. But did you have any idea this was happening? It hearkens back to Eddie Di Bartolo, who had the San Francisco 49ers and

• 1:02:21Speaker 16

  Di Bartolo.

• 1:02:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Di Bartolo. The, you know, half, let me tell you.

• 1:02:25Patrick Bet-David?

  The DeBartolo family here, come out.

• 1:02:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Hey, half of the salary cap rules supposedly were drafted as a result of NFL investigations into DeBartolo's alternative methods of payments. After they won a Super Bowl, he brought everybody to Hawaii and gave them like ridiculously expensive Rolex watches. Over a certain level, you're supposed to claim that. There was also that he supposedly arranged them to invest in companies that had like mini malls or something. I don't remember the specific facts, but the NFL dug into it and says, how are players getting paid by a company that makes malls that you barely invest anything in, they're getting these dividends or something?

• 1:03:08Tom Ellsworth?

  And it was, it was this wonderful chap who came out of New Orleans with a lot of allegations of ties to gambling, whatever, but he tried to find ways to keep his team together and to pay the players more and half of the salary cap rules came out of that. And so my question is, why can't Steve Ballmer just say, I had no idea about this. I specifically, I've never had any conversations with somebody. I didn't know it was coming, planned, I was no part of it. I didn't even talk to these people. Say that when you also say, we did the contract by the book. Okay, you're clean. We're, I have no control over the company I invested in. Okay, dude, you're clean.

• 1:03:49Tom Ellsworth?

  It's one thing to stay clean, it's another thing to absolutely come out and say, I, you know, there was, there was nothing here. And you had other NBA owners who know the economics of these were coming out and saying, how the hell did the Clippers get Kawhi Leonard under that deal?

• 1:04:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:06Tom Ellsworth?

  He says, that's not the going rate. You had other owners that were speaking out and whispering to the NBA saying, dude, all right, you want to live in LA, it's, but you got all these taxes in California. How did they do this? That's a fair question if you're another owner.

• 1:04:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Yeah, let me tell you, this reminds me of the old Jerry Tarkanian UNLV where he would fight the US. He would fight. NCW said, look, we go by the rules. We go by the rules. We go by the rules. And there were guys, Vinny, they would say, all right, so, because they tell you, you know, the mob was in Vegas.

• 1:04:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:04:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It was, I want you to work valet at, from six o'clock to eight o'clock. A car's going to show up, a black, you know, Cadillac is going to show. When it does, you take the keys, they're going to give you a tip. Great. Take the car, go park it, you get a hundred thousand dollar tip.

• 1:05:00Adam Sosnick?

  Wow.

• 1:05:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's like, look, we didn't do it.

• 1:05:03Adam Sosnick?

  They gave you a tip.

• 1:05:04Patrick Bet-David?

  We followed the rules. You want me to do.

• 1:05:07Adam Sosnick?

  And they let him keep the car, just a nice guy.

• 1:05:09Patrick Bet-David?

  But this is going to a whole different level with, uh, what do you call it? Uh, uh, to trying to get, by the way, you know what the reality of it is? Oh my God, did it backfire? Okay, how many, Rob, Rob, can you pull up how many years, how many years has Kawhi? Has Kawhi Leonard been, uh, been with the Clippers?

• 1:05:32Adam Sosnick?

  I mean, Pat, as a local NBA resident, I can tell you that he signed there in 2020 after he won the championship in 2019.

• 1:05:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Signed in 2019.

• 1:05:38Adam Sosnick?

  You as a casual basketball fan should know that.

• 1:05:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You're off. How many total regular season games?

• 1:05:46Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, you said what year did he show up?

• 1:05:49Patrick Bet-David?

  2019.

• 1:05:50Adam Sosnick?

  He used to get a lot of owies. His guy's got one leg at this point.

• 1:05:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop.

• 1:05:54Adam Sosnick?

  He hasn't played.

• 1:05:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Get your NBA facts together, man. You claim you know NBA, you know nothing about the NBA.

• 1:05:58Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know if you've ever even watched it.

• 1:05:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Like an amateur. Okay, watch this. Watch this, Tom. You ready? So during the seven years. Okay, he's been there since 2019, six seasons, for that he's been there. You ready? So let's do the math.

• 1:06:10Adam Sosnick?

  He was MVP 2022, wasn't he?

• 1:06:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Each season is how many? Each season is 82 times 6.

• 1:06:16Adam Sosnick?

  82 games.

• 1:06:17Patrick Bet-David?

  492. Out of 492 regular season games, Vinny, he's played only 266.

• 1:06:23Adam Sosnick?

  So he's played half the, half the time he's been there.

• 1:06:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Half the time. So.

• 1:06:26Adam Sosnick?

  He's better than Zion Williamson.

• 1:06:28Patrick Bet-David?

  He, he's played 266 out of 492. So guess what the market did? These guys were supposed to win multiple championships.

• 1:06:38Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 1:06:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing happened.

• 1:06:39Adam Sosnick?

  Stacked, baby.

• 1:06:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing happened. Nothing happened with these guys. Go ahead, give us your expertise.

• 1:06:43Adam Sosnick?

  I'm turning into shams right now.

• 1:06:44Patrick Bet-David?

  In badminton.

• 1:06:45Adam Sosnick?

  This is what is called a bad ROI for your business owners out there and you investors out there. You think you're gonna get a sweetheart deal, whatever happened, follow the money with what I would call probably the most fun, richest owner in the NBA, Steve Ballmer.

• 1:06:58Patrick Bet-David?

  He is.

• 1:06:59Adam Sosnick?

  Intrapreneur. He basically makes Mark Cuban look like a broke casual fan. But he recruited Kawhi and they've had, uh,

• 1:07:08Adam Sosnick?

  Nothing to show from it. Paul George was supposed to be their second in command. He's gone. Nothing going on here. They've done nothing. You know, you got the Lakers, the year that he showed up to LA, the Lakers won the championship in the bubble. They beat my Heat. So you got the Lakers hanging championship banners. Meanwhile, the Clippers are just like hanging their heads in shame because they've done nothing. Now they're they're a major improvement since the racist.

• 1:07:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't give me NBA analysis. Tell me about the story of.

• 1:07:35Adam Sosnick?

  Donald Sterling.

• 1:07:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this guy's giving us an analysis. Our audience doesn't want your analysis. They want to know what you think about.

• 1:07:41Adam Sosnick?

  They're gonna get what I give them. I'll tell you that much. Anyway, the point is this. This was a shrewd business move that has backfired because they've done nothing. It's like recruiting someone to your company that you think is gonna change the game.

• 1:07:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What's actually gonna happen?

• 1:07:53Adam Sosnick?

  And you end up losing money.

• 1:07:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Anything?

• 1:07:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, the NBA.

• 1:07:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Could they lose like three draft picks for the next three years? I'm telling you right now, a bunch of trees aren't gonna be planted. I'll tell you that much. Disappointing.

• 1:08:02Tom Ellsworth?

  The NBA does things two ways. Loud and publicly or quiet and privately. There's usually nothing in the middle. Nothing in the middle.

• 1:08:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a good point.

• 1:08:10Tom Ellsworth?

  It's like, you know, go study why Jordan played baseball for two years. And then go look at big things where they're jumping at the microphone and sending a half million dollar fine to Mark Cuban because what he said about the refs last night and they're just like on fire.

• 1:08:25Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, that's why they have the WNBA.

• 1:08:26Tom Ellsworth?

  I think this is gonna be, I think this is gonna be either big and they're gonna find a connection back to the team or the agent somehow, or is it gonna be something quiet below the surface that says, listen, I know you guys did this. Anything else happens again, you're gonna have no draft picks till the return of Christ. Do you understand?

• 1:08:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think I think something could happen here, but let me get to the next story. Folks, if you're living in Florida and you want to be able to have the choice of what vaccines to give to your kids, you officially have it. Florida Surgeon General announces plan to end vaccine mandates in schools. And I want you to hear the applause and how long it lasts when he announces that this is what's happening in the state of Florida. If you don't recognize him, he was the guy during COVID while everybody else was being aggressive and all this other stuff. They're like, no, no, we're gonna keep it open. And it was kept open. They took a lot of different positions and they got a lot of heat and they ended up being right. Rob, play the clip.

• 1:09:29Speaker 17

  But um, what I'm most excited about is, is announcement that we're going to make, that we're making now, which is that the Florida Department of Health, in partnership with the governor, is going to be working to end all vaccine mandates in Florida law. All of them.

• 1:09:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying for how long?

• 1:09:55Speaker 17

  All of them.

• 1:09:59Speaker 17

  Every last one of them.

• 1:10:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Look how long they're clapping.

• 1:10:06Speaker 17

  Wow, I'm clapping. Who's the, who's the audience? Floridian.

• 1:10:10Speaker 06

  They're all standing up to the shadows.

• 1:10:12Speaker 17

  Every last one.

• 1:10:13Patrick Bet-David?

  How many people think they're...

• 1:10:14Speaker 06

  Two hundred?

• 1:10:14Speaker 17

  All of them.

• 1:10:16Speaker 06

  Maybe a little less.

• 1:10:19Speaker 06

  Wow, they're not stopping.

• 1:10:20Patrick Bet-David?

  No, they're not stopping.

• 1:10:21Speaker 06

  Look at the reflection, they were all standing up too.

• 1:10:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so Florida announces that, by the way, DeSantis, Rob, I don't know if you have the clip of DeSantis during the joint press conference, there's a clip of him as well, if you have it, you could find it, if not, I'll just read it. Uh, he added, uh, um, no, Joseph added, "Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery. Who am I as a government or anyone else to tell you what you should put in your body? I don't have that right, your body's a gift from God." DeSantis stressed that informed consent is essential, uh, essential, stating, "Information given to individuals where they can then make an informed decision should be the bedrock of how we function as a society."

• 1:11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Check this out, we've lived, we've had two kids in California, one in Texas, one in Florida. In California, there was none of these, uh, what do you call it?

• 1:11:17Speaker 17

  Shenanigans.

• 1:11:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Picking and choosing, "Your kid can't go to our school." Okay, just, this didn't exist. When we moved to Texas, we thought Texas would have religion exemption. Our kids were going to a Christian school. So you would think if there's any state that you would have exemption for religious exemption, it'd be state of Texas and a Christian school. They didn't. This is the time where at 11 o'clock at night, I text Bobby and we get on a call. He calls everybody for 45 minutes and we find out we can't do nothing about it. We come to Florida, Brooklyn is born here, Santa's born in Texas. We come to Florida, Jen says, "Babe, I went to the doctor..." He asked me, what vaccines do you want him to take, her to take? Says, we're choosing not to take this and this, and we're gonna wait for this.

• 1:12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, great. No problem. Moved on. I said, that's all he said? That's all he said? Seriously? Yeah. No joke? Yeah. Great. Now, it's anything and everything, based on what you want to do. Tom, how important is this for families?

• 1:12:15Tom Ellsworth?

  This is really important, and I find it shocking that the party of my body, my choice, was telling all of us that we had to do things during COVID. So what happened to that, Dems? You know, my body, my choice. I think this puts power to people. There's more research out there than there has ever been. You don't have to agree with what happened with Bobby Kennedy yesterday, RFK Jr., specifically, at the Senate hearings. You don't have to agree with either side to say, I, as a parent, want to make the choice. I want the choice here about what I do with my kid. This is very important for the basis of freedom. You have to do it. And by the way, if you take a look at these things, there's a lot of research,

• 1:12:59Tom Ellsworth?

  and there's a lot of correlation out there. You know, you can't make these direct correlations, saying, you know, if you smoke for 20 years, you get lung cancer. Because, believe it or not, some people that smoke for 20 years don't get lung cancer. But you can see there's a huge correlation. And people are saying, and pushing reports that say, look, when it really comes down, we're gonna have to get answers of why we have so many kids with autism. And we're gonna get back into this vaccine thing, and think that some of them, not all of them, but some of them, are gonna have correlation effects. So I think the freedom for the parents to choose is critical. And I think this is fantastic. And by the way, the state of Florida, what did they specifically say, Vinny, about, you know, COVID?

• 1:13:43Tom Ellsworth?

  They say, you know, if you want to go to the beach, UV is a hell of a killer of viruses and bacteria. Weird. And guess what? The largest creator of UV in the known universe is the sun. So it's like, if you want to go out on the beach, you know, you don't need to get together in a mob and party, but if you're going out there by yourself with your family or whatever, and a little bit of spacing, good grief, the sun was good for you. Turns out, they were correct. So I think this is the state of Florida. In the name of freedom and choice is doing the right thing. And I love the fact that it's the, um, you know, basically the Surgeon General of Florida, basically coming up and saying, hey, we're going to give you the freedom and we're not

• 1:14:25Tom Ellsworth?

  doing it. I mean, this is more leadership from Ron DeSantis, who I think is a great governor. I think when you close the books on Ron DeSantis, I hope that there's not too much emphasis on the way he went through the presidential election last year. There's got to be a chapter on it, Pat. But you look at all the other ways that he has led from during COVID to the natural disasters, to the people that are on the team up there, to this decision here. I'm, I'm really happy to be in a state where he's governor.

• 1:14:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, there's no question about it. I mean, I call him the, the best governor out of all the 50 states. I don't even think anybody comes close to it. He's a guy that gets done.

• 1:15:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Not Newsom?

• 1:15:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, that's for you.

• 1:15:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay.

• 1:15:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But for.

• 1:15:05Tom Ellsworth?

  It's my guy.

• 1:15:05Adam Sosnick?

  We're talking solving disasters, not creating them.

• 1:15:07Patrick Bet-David?

  DeSantis is truly the best governor we have in America, uh, uh, hands down. I don't think anybody comes close to the guy. Every time you're there as a family guy, as a guy that wants to be able to control the decisions for your kids, these guys just keep making the best decisions over and over again when it comes down to these types of choices.

• 1:15:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I love it.

• 1:15:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Tom Ellsworth?

  And thank God and thank you for, think about when I found you, you were here already. So that solved my get out of California and get out of that frigging nonsense from COVID. Yesterday, uh, when RFK was on, um, in front of Congress, one of the, the best ones was Senator Roger Marshall from Kansas, licensed OBGYN, by the way. He said on day number one, uh, they get their first jab, hepatitis B vaccine. By the time they're 18 months, they have 18 jabs. By the time they get to be able to vote, they have 76 jabs in their

• 1:15:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this it?

• 1:15:58Tom Ellsworth?

  This is the clip.

• 1:15:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my God. Play this clip, Rob.

• 1:16:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, he's legit.

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• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  It's very loud.

• 1:17:00Speaker 18

  Is transparency. And I think when I hear you talk about transparency, I think part of that is sharing what you know, what the CDC knows with parents so that they can make decisions. Behind me.

• 1:17:12Speaker 06

  Look at that.

• 1:17:12Speaker 18

  Yeah, I know it's gonna be hard to see from there. I can barely read it. This is the current CDC recommendations for vaccines for children. On day number one, they get their first jab hepatitis vaccine. By the time they're 18 months, they've had 18 jabs. By the time they get to be able to vote, they have 76 jabs.

• 1:17:31Speaker 06

  Jeez.

• 1:17:32Speaker 18

  Now.

• 1:17:33Speaker 06

  Can read that sign.

• 1:17:34Speaker 18

  When we talk, when I listen, what I hear you say is that, look, vaccines are drugs. We need a measured response and a measured, when do we use this? It's interesting that the United States has put age 65 and older for COVID vaccine. UK has chosen 75 and France 80. Obviously, sciences disagree exactly when that should or shouldn't be. Well, hepatitis B vaccine, it makes no sense to me. I've only delivered 5,000 babies, but. We do a hepatitis test on every mom. By the time she delivers that baby, I know her pretty well. And if she doesn't have any risk factors, if she's not an IV drug abuser, if she's in a stable, monogamous relationship, nobody at home has hepatitis, I don't know, I don't see the benefit myself in that hepatitis vaccine.

• 1:18:19Speaker 18

  Everyone's eligible for it. Everyone can get it.

• 1:18:22Speaker 06

  Facts and logic.

• 1:18:23Speaker 18

  And my pediatricians always agree with me. And no, I'm not saying if you don't know the hepatitis status of that patient, they shouldn't get it. I'm not saying if this is person's adenoprenatal, that puts them at risk for hepatitis. Can you just speak a little bit, when you talk about transparency?

• 1:18:37Speaker 06

  And by the way, what a, Rob, thank you, Rob. He, like, think about that. I mean. Guys, it's big business. It's Big Pharma, and we know we talk about it a lot. That's 76 jabs. That's, I don't know how many companies are involved. That's money going every child out for their entire life. Boom, boom, boom, money, money, money, money, money. And RFK, out of all the hires, besides Marco Rubio, who I think is doing a great job. RFK, man, he came in there, and all the people that are getting money from Big Pharma and all the donors, yelling, Elizabeth Warren, Matt, and he's actually, he's giving stats and facts about myocard- He's like, why is myocarditis up? Why are people dying? Like, what, what, what is causing all this? What, what is causing all this autism? And they're just furious.

• 1:19:22Speaker 06

  It was literally RFK against Big Pharma. That's what that was. Like, Big Pharma's pit bulls, and I'm so freaking proud. Out of all the choices, I think RFK's one of my favorite ones in administration.

• 1:19:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and by the way, Rob, do you have some of the clip? This is the exchange with Elizabeth Warren that things got heated. By the way, after a certain point, it's hard to listen to this. It's actually hard to listen to that, but let's watch. Which one would you like to start off with?

• 1:19:44Speaker 06

  I think Elizabeth Warren's.

• 1:19:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Go with that one. Go for it.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  And that is, you promised that you would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them. You just changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.

• 1:20:00Speaker 19

  I'm not taking them away from people, Senator.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  It takes it away if you can't get it from your pharmacist.

• 1:20:07Speaker 19

  Well, most Americans are gonna be able to get it from their pharmacy for free. Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy for free.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  No, the question is, everyone who wants it, that was your promise.

• 1:20:18Speaker 19

  I know, I didn't, I never promised that I was gonna recommend products with which there is no indication.

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  When you said-

• 1:20:26Speaker 19

  And I know you've taken $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies, Senator.

• 1:20:32Speaker 02

  Did you hold up a big sign saying that you were lying? When you said that, because you are the one who said you would not take them away. Now, Senator-

• 1:20:41Speaker 19

  I'm not taking them away from anybody.

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Secretary-

• 1:20:44Speaker 19

  You want me to indicate a product for which there is no clinical data?

• 1:20:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the question.

• 1:20:50Speaker 19

  Is that what you want?

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  Kennedy, you said you wouldn't, and now you did. I'm not taking them away. Everybody can get access to them.

• 1:20:57Tom Ellsworth?

  She's a pharma pawn.

• 1:20:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, and he said it. He said, you took eight hundred fifty five thousand dollars from the pharma.

• 1:21:03Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way.

• 1:21:03Patrick Bet-David?

  She didn't even, she didn't even pause to address it. It's just like, you know, skip right by it.

• 1:21:08Speaker 06

  Do, do you think the big pharma, like, like people in the company, let's say it's Pfizer. Do you think when they know this hearing is coming, they talk to her and they say, hey, say X, Y, and Z and do this? Or she, does she already have her, her, her marching orders time? Like, she should already know that she's gonna fight for them? Or do they give her like some coaching?

• 1:21:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, marching orders.

• 1:21:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this total twenty twenty four pharma money to, to Elizabeth Warren?

• 1:21:30Tom Ellsworth?

  I looked it up this morning so we could look at it right now. I brought some receipts. Three hundred and eighty eight million dollars in twenty twenty four. And look at twenty three and twenty two, when the COVID vaccine was, the, the debate was shifting is to, maybe this stuff wasn't right. Maybe this stuff is ca- is causing heart failure. Maybe this thing's starting other thing. Three hundred and eighty eight million dollars flowed in. And ladies and gentlemen, you have pharmaceutical research manufacturer lobbying group, pharmaceutical care management, so the lobbying group, Amgen, company number one, eleven point seven million. Roche, company number two, Merck and Pfizer vaccine makers, nine point one million, nine point one million.

• 1:22:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Right together. There they are, folks. And now, let's go look over at those who received the money, Rob. We have another link of the people that have actually received the money. There is a separate link to.

• 1:22:26Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, hang on. Yeah, while, while he's looking for that, Cam, go ahead.

• 1:22:28Tom Ellsworth?

  And basically, one of the guys, Bennett, that was coming unglued, received very little pharma money last year, but over the course of his campaigns, he's, he was like number one.

• 1:22:41Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:22:41Tom Ellsworth?

  And so, come on. And, and Elizabeth Warren, and you found the, the tweet where the guy had dug up Open Secrets? And this is Mike. Guys that we know.

• 1:22:51Speaker 06

  Mike Benz posted a photo.

• 1:22:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Did you send that to Rob?

• 1:22:53Speaker 06

  I sent it to Rob.

• 1:22:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Rob with the red arrow? Show that.

• 1:22:55Speaker 06

  I sent it to Rob. This is, uh, Mike Benz posted this and it's, uh, uh. Big Pharma paid what he's claiming and what this that's from open secrets.

• 1:23:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Here we go.

• 1:23:04Speaker 06

  Look how much money they gave Elizabeth Warren.

• 1:23:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Now, let's look at it, not just everybody on the lobbying, Pat. Now, let's go look at who got it.

• 1:23:11Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 1:23:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, wow.

• 1:23:16Speaker 06

  Tim Kaine, weird.

• 1:23:17Tom Ellsworth?

  And did you see Bernie Sanders was sitting right next to her?

• 1:23:21Speaker 06

  And this is, and you know what the trouble thing is, Tom?

• 1:23:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Are they mostly Democrats here is what I'm seeing?

• 1:23:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:23:28Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 1:23:28Speaker 06

  I mean, I still think they all take it.

• 1:23:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Raphael Warnock, Georgia, no, he's definitely a Democrat.

• 1:23:33Speaker 06

  Warnock, yeah, for sure. But, but you know what the problem is, Tom? Besides this.

• 1:23:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually don't think this is a left or right thing. I think everybody takes money. I don't want to play to say.

• 1:23:41Tom Ellsworth?

  But you know what the.

• 1:23:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I know where you were going.

• 1:23:42Tom Ellsworth?

  That's exactly right.

• 1:23:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're right, but, but trust me.

• 1:23:45Tom Ellsworth?

  This is everybody.

• 1:23:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the, yeah.

• 1:23:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, oh, they're all taking, oh, bro, they're all taking it.

• 1:23:48Tom Ellsworth?

  This is just last year, last year, 23 to 24.

• 1:23:51Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, this makes AIPAC look like a small checking account.

• 1:23:55Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 1:23:56Patrick Bet-David?

  What Big Pharma, can, can you put up how much Big Pharma gave a lobbyist last year, Rob? They're number one, do you know by how much? Let, let, let's just kind of take a look at this.

• 1:24:06Speaker 06

  Was it 400, 300?

• 1:24:07Tom Ellsworth?

  388.

• 1:24:08Speaker 06

  388, 388 million dollars. He just showed on the chart.

• 1:24:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Number one.

• 1:24:12Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 1:24:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Number one above every, I think insurance is number seven at 107 million. We just looked at this yesterday, Rob, with Dr. Peter Gochet.

• 1:24:22Speaker 06

  388. By the way, they call it Big Pharma for a reason.

• 1:24:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Speaker 06

  They're big.

• 1:24:29Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but I tell you, man.

• 1:24:30Tom Ellsworth?

  This whole time, I thought that.

• 1:24:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, if they stop the advertisement.

• 1:24:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Yup.

• 1:24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And they change the game with that on the advertisement side, where you can't advertise no more? Only two countries, that's in New Zealand. That's the kind of stuff that, that RFK Junior is going to need the type of security that only a few people have. If he prevents companies from advertising.

• 1:24:53Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:24:54Patrick Bet-David?

  CNN is out of business.

• 1:24:55Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 1:24:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Wow.

• 1:24:56Speaker 06

  Fox is hurting too, right?

• 1:24:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Mainstream media companies that are taking all that money, they're going to be like, what are you talking about?

• 1:25:01Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 1:25:02Patrick Bet-David?

  It's catastrophic. So imagine some of the donors that supported Trump, they're like, hey, listen, that guy right there talking about no longer allowing us to advertise? We're not happy with that.

• 1:25:10Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You better believe Trump's camp is getting that call.

• 1:25:13Speaker 06

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:25:14Tom Ellsworth?

  And by the way, the sports leagues get big checks from ESPN, who is able to write that check because of all the advertising dollars. So if Pharma is off advertising, they say that basically the salary cap, I read, the thing I read, Pat, goes down 30%. Salary caps have to go down in sports 30% because without Pharma.

• 1:25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no.

• 1:25:36Tom Ellsworth?

  ESPN can't write the billion dollar check.

• 1:25:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I know. So, so to me, I'm glad he's there. Adam, your thoughts on this whole thing?

• 1:25:42Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I'm glad that you showed the numbers here because if you listen to the people on X, it would lead you to believe that AIPAC runs our government. But the reality is Big Pharma, I don't know if they run our government, but they certainly own our bodies. They said, how many vaccines is the average kid having?

• 1:25:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Seventy-six.

• 1:25:57Adam Sosnick?

  Seventy-six before you're 18. So you got, you know, zombie kids walking out there, you know, and it's not like Big Pharma would ever try to monetize our bodies or anything like that. We didn't learn that during COVID when Pfizer and J&J and the rest of the crew made gazillions. So.

• 1:26:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Or turn the other way where you become obese and then sell your diabetes drugs.

• 1:26:17Adam Sosnick?

  The biggest problem I have is that vaccines have been, have been labeled or vilified as being bad. No, mandates are what's bad. Not giving somebody a choice is what's bad. You know, Florida, ironically, they're, they're allowing you to have a choice when it comes to vaccines, but it has one of the lowest my body, my choice abortion rulings, six weeks, which is draconian in my opinion. But if you look at what America is regarding vaccines, this is basically an 80/20 issue that has shifted over the last few years. 80% of America believes in vaccines. 80% of Floridians believes in vaccines. But we've seen a clear partisan divide since COVID and the vaccine mandates where it's closer to 50/50 on Republican side

• 1:27:02Adam Sosnick?

  of things. So, but let's not pretend that eradicating smallpox wasn't a good thing or making sure that kids don't have polio isn't a good thing. You know, there used to be millions of deaths from these types of things. Now there's next to nothing. So, yeah, choice is a good thing, but let's not vilify vaccines as if they're all bad.

• 1:27:22Tom Ellsworth?

  The debate is forcing on Americans, number one. And then the other half of the debate is, is we all know what happened with the COVID vaccines. They didn't go through the extended trials at all the other vaccines.

• 1:27:37Adam Sosnick?

  It's called Operation Warp Speed, Tom. Don't go there.

• 1:27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but you want to know something deeper though? Like, by the way.

• 1:27:46Speaker 06

  And it's not just Big Pharma, like, I mean, it is-

• 1:27:48Adam Sosnick?

  Immediately, you forgot about that.

• 1:27:50Speaker 06

  But look at the people that are aligned in these, like, look at, look at what some of the CDC people have. Like, when I say, like, Trump and RFK mainly, they're not battling just politics. These are some disgusting, I believe, demonic forces that are kind of like behind it. Uh, and, you know, the Big Pharma's cash cow is on the line. Like, look at, you guys, this guy just quit, Pat, do you see this? Dr. Dmitri, the, the Skasakakis, whatever, he's a self-proclaimed Satanist with a bondage fetish, who he thinks calling women mothers is outdated, and he wants six-month-old babies injected on govern- This, this guy-

• 1:28:24Adam Sosnick?

  And who is this guy?

• 1:28:25Speaker 06

  This, this guy was a, a top dog at the CDC. A big guy, he just, Adam, you want that guy in charge of telling you what's gonna go in your body or not? I need, I need more information. Well, that's the guy, that's doctor, he just-

• 1:28:36Adam Sosnick?

  Doesn't seem like I wanna take advice from him.

• 1:28:38Speaker 06

  He just quit because-

• 1:28:39Adam Sosnick?

  A Satanist?

• 1:28:40Speaker 06

  Because they refused to bow down to the agenda, and he stormed down, he claimed science is under attack, and he's smearing RFK, he's crying that Kennedy might delay the hepatitis B vaccine at birth, which I agreed should be done. Um, and then Rand Paul actually came out, Pat, and he said, and I quote, "No medical reason, uh, there's no medical reason to give newborns hepatitis B vaccine if the mother is not infected. All mothers who deliver in a hospital are tested." This scientist's fetish, he's talking about this doctor, um, for vaccines, is not supported by the data. So what would make that guy wanna keep pushing and keep yelling and quit? Why, Adam? Why would he do it? Cause he's, to me, my opinion, he's getting paid by somebody to tell him to say what he's saying.

• 1:29:22Adam Sosnick?

  Danny, all I know is one thing.

• 1:29:23Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:29:24Adam Sosnick?

  Trust the science.

• 1:29:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, that guy, I don't want, I don't want that guy telling me what to put in my kid.

• 1:29:28Adam Sosnick?

  Trust Big Pharma. Elizabeth Warren allegedly is on her 400th booster this week.

• 1:29:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's probably taking one right now.

• 1:29:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:35Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, good for Bobby, RFK Junior, for doing what he's doing, and we hope he goes all the way through with what he's challenging the other side to do. Now, let's go to another person. Guys, when you get an invitation by a dignitary, what should you say? You should say, "Thank you, I'm on my way, let's have a meeting." But not if your name is Zelensky.

• 1:29:55Speaker 06

  Uh-oh.

• 1:29:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Zelensky got an invitation from a man named Putin.

• 1:29:59Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, really?

• 1:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Putin invites Zelensky to Moscow for supposed peace talks. This guy's trying to have a peace talk. And Putin on Wednesday claimed he never refused a meeting with Zelensky and invited him to Moscow, according to Russian state-owned news outlet Tass. "If Zelensky is ready for a meeting, let him come to Moscow," Putin said. Is this Sidrap?

• 1:30:20Speaker 06

  It is. It's in Russian, but there are subtitles.

• 1:30:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll translate. Go ahead, go ahead.

• 1:30:27Speaker 20

  If it's very well prepared and it will lead to some positive results. By the way, Donald asked me if it would be possible to arrange such a meeting. I said yes. If Zelensky is ready, he can come to Moscow.

• 1:30:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Хорошо, молодец, Putin. Капживается. That's great. So let me finish this thing, what happens there. But Zelensky, he's got different, he's not, I don't know. This is Zelensky. Go for it.

• 1:31:03Speaker 21

  American partners told us that Putin invited me to Moscow. You know what I think? When you don't want to have a meeting, so what do you have to do? You have to invite me to Moscow. That's why I think Russia started to talk about meeting. That's not bad thing. But right now, we do not see any wish on their part to stop this war, to finish this war. And the meeting...

• 1:31:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you go? Would you go, Tom, if you're Zelensky? Adam, would you go?

• 1:31:35Adam Sosnick?

  Are you crazy? This is like a wolf inviting a sheep to dinner and being like, "Yeah, come to dinner. You're on the menu for dinner."

• 1:31:44Speaker 06

  But let me...

• 1:31:45Adam Sosnick?

  Hold on.

• 1:31:45Speaker 06

  Right now, with what's going on, I disagree.

• 1:31:48Adam Sosnick?

  There's no chance that Zelensky is showing up to Moscow.

• 1:31:51Speaker 06

  If Trump is with them?

• 1:31:53Adam Sosnick?

  You have Russian autocrats, or you have Russian oligarchs who conveniently find themselves jumping out of windows just for fun. What do you think they're gonna do to Zelensky?

• 1:32:04Speaker 06

  But, Adam...

• 1:32:06Tom Ellsworth?

  They are not going to assassinate Zelensky.

• 1:32:09Adam Sosnick?

  Putin is trolling Trump at this point.

• 1:32:10Speaker 06

  But, hold on. Did you notice how he called him Donald? He didn't call him Mr. President. He didn't call him President Trump. He said Donald. Their boys, uh, think about this, though, look at the contrast.

• 1:32:20Adam Sosnick?

  You're looking at that as like a homie thing?

• 1:32:22Speaker 06

  No, well, I mean.

• 1:32:23Adam Sosnick?

  I look at that as like a sign of disrespect.

• 1:32:25Speaker 06

  Nah, they're homies, bro. He called him Vladimir the other day. Listen.

• 1:32:27Adam Sosnick?

  They're homies.

• 1:32:28Speaker 06

  Vladimir Putin is a gangster, okay? Plain and simple.

• 1:32:32Adam Sosnick?

  Are you saying gangster in a good way or bad?

• 1:32:34Speaker 06

  No, I mean, uh, he's a get, um, Adam, you're making like, you want me to love him? No, you're acting like I love him.

• 1:32:39Adam Sosnick?

  No, but a lot of people do love him.

• 1:32:41Speaker 06

  Vladimir Putin is a gangster. Guess who the other guy is? A ballerina dancing, shaking actor.

• 1:32:47Adam Sosnick?

  Stand up when you do that dance.

• 1:32:48Speaker 06

  I can't, cause my chain is gonna fall off.

• 1:32:50Adam Sosnick?

  Stand up when you do that dance.

• 1:32:50Speaker 06

  There's a difference, and to be honest, Adam, if, if, if Trump is there, they're not gonna assassinate, bro, you know what that would do? I get it, they're at war.

• 1:32:59Adam Sosnick?

  What are they gonna do? Uh, have more war? Whoa, whoa, what are they gonna do?

• 1:33:03Speaker 06

  Wanna go fat more?

• 1:33:04Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, no. Do you know how easy this is?

• 1:33:06Adam Sosnick?

  Zelensky shows up in Moscow.

• 1:33:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Guys, you're going back and forth.

• 1:33:09Adam Sosnick?

  He's not leaving Moscow.

• 1:33:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Let's, let's, let's, let's make this more rational.

• 1:33:12Adam Sosnick?

  Tourist.

• 1:33:13Tom Ellsworth?

  If you're Zelensky, all Zelensky has to say is, okay, um, uh, tell you what, Macron will come with me. I will come talk to you. Macron will join me. We'll fly in in the morning.

• 1:33:24Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, Macron's gonna intimidate him.

• 1:33:26Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:33:27Speaker 06

  Now you're bringing Prasid, now you're bringing Prasid, Prasid's gonna show up like you're one of us.

• 1:33:31Adam Sosnick?

  I wanna see, I wanna hear Tom's phone.

• 1:33:32Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, listen, if Zelensky's worried, he only needs to bring one person. Bring Vanderland from the EU, bring Macron, whatever.

• 1:33:42Adam Sosnick?

  I'd rather bring in Vanderlei Silva and fight them.

• 1:33:44Tom Ellsworth?

  And then say, look, we'll fly in the morning, we'll have lunch, we'll have our talk in the afternoon, then we'll leave.

• 1:33:49Speaker 06

  I'm not eating none of that food.

• 1:33:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:50Speaker 06

  I'm not eating none of that food.

• 1:33:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, you don't have to eat, you bring your own food.

• 1:33:53Adam Sosnick?

  Dumbest concept I've ever heard.

• 1:33:54Speaker 06

  You want caviar? Nah, I'm good.

• 1:33:56Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, look, look.

• 1:33:56Speaker 06

  Mercury poisoning?

• 1:33:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Putin is not gonna assassinate Zelensky.

• 1:34:00Adam Sosnick?

  It's like Hamas inviting Bibi for lunch. Yeah, just come on in.

• 1:34:03Tom Ellsworth?

  No, it's not, you know it's not.

• 1:34:05Adam Sosnick?

  See, now you're. Your tunnel layer.

• 1:34:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Now you're doing, now you're doing stand up, come on, dude.

• 1:34:09Adam Sosnick?

  You wouldn't do, well, that's not good, but he, so you wouldn't do.

• 1:34:12Speaker 06

  There's one person at this table we don't want doing comedy.

• 1:34:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Zelensky calls me, Mr. President, do you think it's safe for me to go? Go ahead and go, take Vanderland with you, take Macron with you, go in there, fly in, meet with him for four hours, have your talks and leave.

• 1:34:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:34:25Tom Ellsworth?

  And said, but I think you can make some progress here. It says.

• 1:34:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you do it?

• 1:34:30Tom Ellsworth?

  That?

• 1:34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're Zelensky. But, but it's a tough answer. I'll explain to you why it's a tough answer. The reason why it's a tough answer is because if I'm Zelensky, I wouldn't have behaved the way I did at the White House and I wouldn't have, you know, uh, uh, done what he did. So if it's me doing the way I know I would have negotiated and managed the relationships diplomacy, I would have gone, no problem. I'm going. And we'd have the meeting because I believe it shows fearlessness to me. It shows an element of, what do you want me to do? You want me to come here and everybody told me not to do it? I'm still coming to you. It, it, it actually shows an element of what Trump did when he was on CNN every day in 2015, 2016. You know what happened at the end? Do you know what happened at the end?

• 1:35:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's what happened. Every time CNN invited him, he went every single time. And in the last three months of the election, they realized the Clinton camp is like, stop allowing him to come. You're helping him. Stop it. So then they stopped taking him. But Trump's like, yeah, what do you want to talk about? Go ahead, ask me. What do you want to talk about? He's showing up, showing up, showing up. So he was like, man, versus Obama's like, no, I'm not gonna. Obama's done one Bill O'Reilly interview and one Bill Maher. He's been on Bill Maher and O'Reilly one time. Tell me how many times Trump's done 60 Minutes, CNN, Fox, MSNBC? How many times? Every time. So I don't know. If, if I'm that, I'm, I'm, um, I'm showing up. But again, it's a very, remember Trump went to North Korea. Humberto's right. Trump went to North Korea.

• 1:36:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He walked on to North Korea. Slapped his shoulder a little bit. But, but who gets powered there? Does that make Kim Jong-un look good? Makes Trump look fantastic. I'm not afraid. Let's go, let's talk. Exactly. So I think, I think there's an element of that happening, but I also think Putin's playing games. Of course. Which, which I'm not gonna. Would you eat anything? Would you eat anything at that meeting? I'm gonna be. You want the Wolfgang snack? On the longest, what do you call it? You know, fast ever. Oh, yeah. The longest you ever fasted? Three days when I was in Russia. What did you eat? Nothing. Protein bars. And I protected them the whole time.

• 1:36:35Tom Ellsworth?

  You land the plane, you eat a meal, you go five hours.

• 1:36:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what I want to say to you. Here's what I want to say to you. We had a trip coming up to Russia. Now I know the answer. Who's not gonna go?

• 1:36:45Adam Sosnick?

  Wow. Me.

• 1:36:46Speaker 06

  Oh, Adam's not going.

• 1:36:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, Adam's not gonna go.

• 1:36:48Speaker 06

  I'm go- I'm in the front. I'm with you.

• 1:36:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I, uh...

• 1:36:51Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. Have fun.

• 1:36:53Speaker 06

  What do you scared about?

• 1:36:54Adam Sosnick?

  You and Tucker Carlson go have a great time there.

• 1:36:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, get what?

• 1:36:56Adam Sosnick?

  Let me explain something to you in plain Russian language. So you naive, useful idiots could understand the words that come out of my mouth.

• 1:37:05Speaker 06

  My grandmother, grandfather from Kiev.

• 1:37:06Adam Sosnick?

  This is where he turns the acting things. Let me, let me explain something to you.

• 1:37:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this.

• 1:37:09Adam Sosnick?

  If you wanna know what's gonna happen to Zelensky, look no further than who was formerly Russia, Putin's biggest rival and opposition was a guy named Alexei Navalny. This guy was poisoned multiple times and he was such a gangster that he returned to Russia to appear in court to deal with his charges. And guess what? He was put in a prison cell in, uh, no man's land in Siberia. And he was, and he was, he was found guilty of, you know, whatever they did. And he, and he was sentenced to 20 years in jail. Now, 20 minutes later, he found himself dead in jail. So if that's what they done to a Russian critic Putin would did, who's a Russian, proud Russian,

• 1:37:51Adam Sosnick?

  what are you gonna do to the president of Ukraine that's at war with you? To me, this is super naive and you guys sound like useful Putin idiot puppets.

• 1:38:01Speaker 06

  Okay, Adam, Adam, all right, Adam, Adam, everything that you just said, Adam, stop.

• 1:38:05Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, Adam, nothing.

• 1:38:06Speaker 06

  Hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 1:38:06Adam Sosnick?

  What are you two girls in the corner crying together? You two little muppets over there, team up against me.

• 1:38:11Speaker 06

  Everything that you just said.

• 1:38:12Adam Sosnick?

  Vinnie, you and your dad fight against me.

• 1:38:14Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, you guys go age into it.

• 1:38:17Adam Sosnick?

  Let's go.

• 1:38:17Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh, you're regressing, you little bitch.

• 1:38:20Adam Sosnick?

  You guys are defending Putin. Go ahead, you Putin apologists.

• 1:38:24Speaker 06

  Okay, hold on, Adam, ready for this?

• 1:38:25Adam Sosnick?

  Look at this.

• 1:38:26Speaker 06

  Adam, let me add this.

• 1:38:27Adam Sosnick?

  Notice how Pat's not talking.

• 1:38:28Speaker 06

  Nostradamus burg, you know, so it's like... Adam, let me add this. Are you, Adam, look at me. Adam, don't look there. Adam, we throw this into the mix. Adam, Russia, we go.

• 1:38:36Adam Sosnick?

  Do you, if you dance, I'm in.

• 1:38:38Speaker 06

  No, no, ready for this?

• 1:38:38Adam Sosnick?

  Yes, I'm not even looking.

• 1:38:39Speaker 06

  Rob, make that big, go.

• 1:38:40Adam Sosnick?

  Go ahead.

• 1:38:41Speaker 06

  And she comes, and she's there.

• 1:38:42Adam Sosnick?

  Yes, I go to Russia right now. I impregnate her and I

• 1:38:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, look at how fast your story changed. Well, we tricked you. It's a guy.

• 1:38:49Adam Sosnick?

  So anyway. Why do I need to go to, if you know anything about Florida, why do I need to go to Russia when I go to sunny isles?

• 1:38:56Speaker 06

  Well, you better know something about the grind. You don't like that hat? That hat is awesome.

• 1:38:58Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, that hat will have a bullet hole in the back of the head.

• 1:39:00Tom Ellsworth?

  It's like a Spies Like Us. Adam, let's stop, let's stop. And let me ask you an honest question.

• 1:39:03Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, I'm just over you right now.

• 1:39:05Tom Ellsworth?

  What do you think, what do you think happens if Zelensky goes there and he's assassinated on the trip?

• 1:39:12Adam Sosnick?

  Numbers are going to scream, what's going to happen?

• 1:39:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, come on.

• 1:39:13Adam Sosnick?

  Anyway.

• 1:39:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, you don't want to answer it. You don't want to engage. You don't even want to debate. You're scared. Don't be a little child.

• 1:39:19Speaker 06

  Ooh, shots fired!

• 1:39:20Adam Sosnick?

  If there's something I'm scared of, it's the biz doc.

• 1:39:23Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, so honestly.

• 1:39:24Adam Sosnick?

  Don't hit me with the calculator.

• 1:39:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Zelensky goes to Russia and he is assassinated.

• 1:39:29Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:30Tom Ellsworth?

  What happens to Putin and the rest of the world's reaction?

• 1:39:33Speaker 06

  They probably go to war. Like, they currently are. Like, blow up Russia? So why would they, why would they do that?

• 1:39:39Tom Ellsworth?

  It starts with economic sanctions and it ends with isolation. It gets worse.

• 1:39:44Adam Sosnick?

  Well.

• 1:39:45Tom Ellsworth?

  And they're in the middle of a war of attrition where they're having to compel drafts.

• 1:39:48Adam Sosnick?

  Let's just see what happens when Zelensky doesn't go to Russia.

• 1:39:50Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's go to the next story.

• 1:39:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay.

• 1:39:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Because we already know there's not, the way we're going right now, I think, forget about going to Russia or going to frickin' Ukraine. It's a bad place to be in Fort Lauderdale, an airport, whether you're Canadian or whether you're Jewish, something's gonna happen here.

• 1:40:03Adam Sosnick?

  That's true.

• 1:40:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Between the Oswalds and the Sosnick.

• 1:40:07Adam Sosnick?

  Sosnick. All right. You will need to exist, Tom.

• 1:40:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's talk about somebody else who has decided to side with Turkey, and that's none other than the Prime Minister of Armenia, Pashinian. Joins Erdogan.

• 1:40:18Tom Ellsworth?

  What?

• 1:40:18Patrick Bet-David?

  In objecting to American genocide recognition. Okay, Pashinian questioned the value of international recognition of the Armenian genocide. Aligning with Turkish President, recap Erdogan's denialist stance, telling Armenian journalists last week that Netanyahu's statement.

• 1:40:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Had nothing to do with the Armenians' interest in asking, what have we gained from the recognition of the Armenian genocide by dozens of countries? He further revealed questioning foreign leaders on their recognition motives, prompting criticism for undermining decades of Armenian efforts to publicize the 1915-1923 Ottoman massacre of 1.5 million Armenians. Harut Sasunyan, publisher of the California Courier, argued Pashinyan should demand justice, including restitution, and return of Western Armenian territory, stating Pashinyan is thus actively undermining the pursuit of justice for the Armenian cause. The controversy rose after the Armenian Assyrian blogger, guys, I'm a blogger now. Yeah, you're a blogger. You're downgraded.

• 1:41:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Blogger, PBD, Patrick Bedavid, pressed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on August 27, 2025, about Israel's failure to recognize the Armenian Assyrian and the Greek genocide, with Netanyahu falsely claiming, in fact, I think we have, I think the Knesset passed a resolution to that effect before being pushed and saying, but the prime ministers never say it, and he said, "I just did. Here you go." So Armenian Prime Minister, saying that. I wonder what the Armenian Prime Minister said when President Biden accepted and announced, when did President Biden, Rob, recognize the Armenian genocide? When did he say it? Two years ago? No, I want to say 2021, if I could guess.

• 1:42:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, four years ago, whatever the timeline was when he said it. How did Armenians receive that? Even guys who didn't vote for Biden, what did they say? "Hey, we gave him love." Yeah, I was right, 2021. It was one of his first acts in office. It was like, wow. You're right. And it was fairly quickly coming out, and it's not like he did it before running. He did it, he announced it, boom. And then, look what Prime Minister Nicole Pashinyan said. He praised it as a strong affirmation of human rights. Meanwhile, Turkey strongly objected, warning it could cause US-Turkey relations. I'm curious, Pashinyan, how come you didn't take that same position with this one? Oh, I got it, because now you're doing a deal with Azerbaijan,

• 1:42:53Patrick Bet-David?

  and you're siding with the people who actually committed the genocide on your people that you're now the prime minister with. So what if Netanyahu praises it or not? So what if he recognizes it or not? So what, whether you like him or not, what are you afraid of? It's another world leader that has never done it, that is now finally doing it. Isn't that validation for you? Are you concerned about that? Is this something that you worry about? Now, don't get me wrong, a lot of people that are watching this, you know, 2% of the audience that's watching this is like, well, how about the genocide that he's committing and all this other stuff? Let's isolate this issue. Those are two separate topics that you want to go to. You guys can go and, you know, join them up with that conversation. I'm isolating this one here.

• 1:43:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's very interesting what Pashinyan is doing with his handling on a situation like this. I'd love to sit down with him and ask him why he would take that position. Why would you be so welcoming of Biden's recognition, but not Netanyahu's? Well, because Netanyahu is playing politics. They're all playing politics. You think Biden's not playing politics? You think all the other countries that claim they are not playing politi... You think you're not playing politics? You think Trump's not playing politics? You think Zelensky is not playing... You think Putin is not? Who's in a state leader not playing politics? Tell me one that's not playing politics. Who? Everybody's playing politics. But if something gets recognized and it's given,

• 1:44:16Patrick Bet-David?

  receive it for the people that wanted you to receive it. By the way, you have to realize, guys, within a span of a week, my life's been very weird. For one day, we have the most like-dislike ratio interview. They call it the greatest Netanyahu interview ever done, okay? Record-breaking, the greatest Netanyahu interview ever done. Incredible. Uh, and the like-dislike ratio astronomical. Never seen anything like this. Humberto's favorite interview of all time. Loves it. So that's that, that's that part when that takes place. Now, I got the most death threats ever. Most, to the point that we have to have certain things that we had to make adjustments for, but that's that. Week later is Jubilee.

• 1:45:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And Jubilee, the greatest interview ever done to defend capitalism. What an incredible, you know, spectacle of sitting there doing that. Either way, they have two different purposes. But on the fact that a guy like Netanyahu recognized the Armenian genocide, I got a lot of Armenians that say, "I don't need him to recognize it." "I don't need him to recognize it," are the same people who hated Biden, Trump supporters, that says, "I don't need Biden to recognize it." Stop with your, what do you call it? Uh, uh, uh... Self-righteous. Yeah, yeah. Too, uh, uh, uh... Holier-than-thou. Holier-than-thou, I don't want to receive that stuff. Stop, stop. Stop, okay? He said it. It's documented. It's there now. And now, let's see what Pashinyan is gonna do with it.

• 1:45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Some tells me Pashinyan is very scared of Turkey. And very worried. And, uh, his diplomacy, the event that happened with Trump, Trump helping him out, at least for now. He may be protected under Trump, but is Armenia gonna be protected under whoever the president's gonna be after Trump? I don't know. Are you showing that kind of strength and diplomacy where your people are safe under your leadership? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Uh, anyways, I, I don't know if you guys have, any one of you guys have any thoughts? Go for it, go ahead, Adam.

• 1:46:12Adam Sosnick?

  Well, and I don't, this, I don't have a horse in this race, other than I'm a believer in the truth. And if I'm Armenian, this is a complete slap in the face to any Armenian that cares about the Armenian genocide. And I'm sure we're gonna have some stats that we can pull up about what the Ottoman Empire did to their neighbors. If you wanna talk about genocide, you know, the Ottoman Empire, the Turks, they're at the top of the list. So everyone throws that G word out there, you know, for 50,000 more or less Hamas, uh, fighters or civilians. We're talking millions of people that died, not thousands of years ago, not centuries ago, 100 plus years ago.

• 1:46:57Adam Sosnick?

  And all these people died at the hands of the Ottoman Turks. So now you have, uh, Erdogan of Turkey calling Bibi of Israel the genocider? Look in the mirror, big dog. So it's pretty disgusting to me how, you know, when you point in the mirror, there's, you know, you point, there's three fingers pointing right back at you. This is a complete slap in the face. I'm not involved in Armenian Azerbaijan politics. But it would appear to me that this guy is nothing more than a Turkish puppet at this point. Take the compliment, take the acknowledgement and move on. There's a show called The Young Turks that Cenk and Anna run. Uh, what are you, uh, you're, you're giving a shout out to the Armenian genocide? Is that what The Young Turks is doing? To me, this is the equivalent of Bibi downplaying the Holocaust.

• 1:47:42Adam Sosnick?

  So I don't know what the Pashinyan is thinking, but why don't you stand on the side of your people, not on the side of the genociders?

• 1:47:49Patrick Bet-David?

  There you have it. Okay, let's go to next door here. Fifth, uh, page five. Vinny, I'm coming to you and Adam on this one here.

• 1:47:56Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:47:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them mentally ill. Department of Justice considering a proposal to restrict transgender Americans from possessing firearms prompted by a mass shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic church by a 23-year-old trans woman with a Justice Department official stating to CNN to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell. This move described as preliminary by CNN contradicts the Trump administration's Second Amendment advocacy as Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote earlier this year. For too long, Second Amendment, which establishes the fundamental individual right of American

• 1:48:39Patrick Bet-David?

  to keep and bear arms, has been treated as a second-class right. No more, and it's a policy of this Department of Justice to use its full might to protect the Second Amendment right of its law-abiding citizens. The proposal builds on Trump's directives, targeting transgender rights, including an executive order erasing federal recognition of trans people, restricting gender-affirming healthcare, banning trans athletes from women's sports, and forcing out thousands of trans service members with Defense Department guidance stating the medical and surgical mental health constraints on individuals who have a current diagnosis or history of or exhibit symptoms consistent with gender dysphoria are incompatible with

• 1:49:23Patrick Bet-David?

  the high mental and physical standard necessary for military service. This is from the Independent, by the way. Vinny, your thoughts on this story?

• 1:49:29Speaker 06

  And listen, you know me, you know how many guns I have. I'm pro-Second Amendment. I'm all for it. But at the same time, when they're saying they're evaluating options, these are people that it's a trend that keeps happening, okay? It's not like we're making this up out of thin air. These same people, the transgender, non-binary, whatever, they're loaded up on SSRIs, which you guys know are antidepressants. They're supposed to calm you down, okay? But the majority of the time, especially when you have a mental disorder, I don't know, something happens where they go over the edge, and they just love killing, shooting in innocent kids and churches and and schools it's weird but you're not supposed to say anything because you're transphobic you're LG you hate the LG LGBTQ community which is BS okay and gender dysphoria

• 1:50:12Speaker 06

  okay is right there in the DSM which is the diagnostic for statistical manual of mental disorders the book that doctors use to define mental illness it's in there okay you have a mental illness you're sick in the head okay and if you got serious stress over your identity okay and is diagnosed had a disorder that's not it's not my opinion it's a medical fact alright and then you take someone like that mentally disabled gone alright you pump him with freaking brain altering drugs and then we wonder hey and then give him a gun and then we go wait a minute what why would they go and shoot a bunch of kids that are praying in the church and I love the shock factor Pat when people are like how could we never saw this happening Rob if you could find this they have a video of the transgender shooter that just happened

• 1:50:54Speaker 06

  he's in a store with a with a ponytail looking for bullets and guns they just released it yesterday so even the Department of Justice is admitting there's and they said a pattern of violence tied to mental health and substance abuse abuse but they won't say the obvious the common thread is right in front of us alright and this isn't about hey I want to keep telling people this they always say hey you hate you hate no no it's about public safety alright and if you're mentally unstable and you're medicated okay and to the point of psychosis I don't think there should be anywhere near a firearm this is the guy this is the guy that just shot up uh he looks kinda like a boy but in the back the hair I mean my hair kinda looked like that a week ago but um yeah but look he's just casually in there he's looking for the oh he's looking for all the gun the ammo

• 1:51:39Speaker 06

  this is the shooter from last week the one that shot up the

• 1:51:42Tom Ellsworth?

  this is the Minneapolis shooter

• 1:51:43Speaker 06

  the one that was in the apartment his apartment recording everything he doesn't look like yeah he looks completely different look a place for well-being that's definitely not the place that you're at right now bro but the truth uh has to come out and that's the truth I I don't think Adam what do you think these guys just like SSRIs antidepressants dealing with transgender you don't know if you're a boy or a girl and then they want to give you a gun

• 1:52:07Adam Sosnick?

  Well, we certainly have a problem in this country. I don't know if it's a gun problem. I don't know if it's a mental health problem. I don't know if it's a depression problem. I don't know if it's a drugs problem. I don't know if it's a decaying of our people problem. But it's collectivist. We have a massive problem. And it's reminiscent of exactly what Trump said when we had an Islamic terrorism problem in 2016, 2017. And then Trump said this about the Muslim ban. Do you remember this line?

• 1:52:33Speaker 10

  Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

• 1:52:47Adam Sosnick?

  And then he says this, "We have no choice. We have no choice." No choice.

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• 1:53:50Speaker 10

  We have no choice.

• 1:53:51Adam Sosnick?

  No choice.

• 1:53:53Speaker 10

  We have no choice.

• 1:53:55Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, I don't know what the exact laws are. Second Amendment people might agree, might disagree. There's a clear understanding that school shootings are done by trans people.

• 1:54:08Speaker 06

  A lot of them.

• 1:54:09Adam Sosnick?

  A lot of them.

• 1:54:10Speaker 06

  Recently.

• 1:54:10Adam Sosnick?

  Not even allegedly.

• 1:54:12Speaker 06

  No, it's happened.

• 1:54:12Adam Sosnick?

  Literally.

• 1:54:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:54:13Adam Sosnick?

  Right? So until we figure out.

• 1:54:16Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a pattern.

• 1:54:16Adam Sosnick?

  What the hell is going on?

• 1:54:18Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not traumatic, but there is a pattern.

• 1:54:20Adam Sosnick?

  Clearly.

• 1:54:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:21Adam Sosnick?

  So until we figure out what the hell is going on, people with massive mental health disorders probably shouldn't have guns.

• 1:54:29Speaker 06

  That's all, Adam. If you have one, you're not supposed to have a gun. On top of that, you're on drugs that are known to make people crazy, not only suicidal. Listen, if you're already dealing with transgender, gender dysphoria, whatever it is, and God help them, I hope they, you know, instead of having a society pat them on the back and say, "You go live your truth," help these people. Find out what the hell is going on in here. What happened to their youth? What happened? They go through trauma. But no, now you know that they have a mental disorder, they're on these drugs, Adam, that are known to make you go crazy, and then you're gonna give them a gun? And I know what the Second Amendment people are gonna say. No, everybody should be allowed to have a gun. I agree. But if you have a

• 1:55:08Speaker 06

  mental problem, a mental disorder, that the Department of Justice and the DSM has already classified, why would you ever give anybody that has a mental disorder a gun? You're not in your right mind. I don't get it. And then how many, I mean, how many more of these?

• 1:55:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're for this? You're for this?

• 1:55:25Speaker 06

  I'm for transgender, like, they already are mentally messed up. If you're transgender, you have gender dysphoria. You have a mental disorder.

• 1:55:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's transgender right now. Somebody who is transgender, is that considered mentally ill?

• 1:55:39Speaker 06

  Gender dysphoria, you mean?

• 1:55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Is gender dysphoria considered mentally ill?

• 1:55:44Speaker 06

  I don't know. Yes, yes. But the DSM, the diagnostic of statistic, manual of mental disorders, the doctors use it for mental illness, gender dysphoria is right. Gender dysphoria is in

• 1:55:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Has changed in recent years. DSM 5, Senator McKeon, is listed gender dysphoria as a mental disorder.

• 1:56:02Adam Sosnick?

  No, it says it's not.

• 1:56:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Considered a mental illness. It says it is. No, Adam.

• 1:56:06Adam Sosnick?

  Being transgender.

• 1:56:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Gender disorder as a mental disorder.

• 1:56:09Speaker 07

  The older version did identify it as a mental disorder.

• 1:56:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And they changed it.

• 1:56:13Speaker 07

  In 2013, they replaced it and now it's not considered a mental illness.

• 1:56:15Adam Sosnick?

  So now we're identifying as mental disorders?

• 1:56:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's not. Okay. Well, keep on down, Rob. 2022 update. The WHO removed it. Yeah, WHO was in charge in 2022. Well, guess what? So, so the, it's a, then it's not a mental disorder. Okay. Today, it's not. So if it's not, Vinnie, the same way, what did Trump do with trend, uh, Aragua? What did he do with them? Terrorist organization. What did he do with many of these guys? Terrorist organization. If he qualifies this, and maybe RFK qualifies this, then for me, it makes sense. For me, believe it or not, I also think anybody taking SSR, you know, uh, SSRIs. SSRIs, anybody taking them shouldn't have a gun. Anybody?

• 1:57:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Anybody. Well. I'm, I'm, I'm telling you right now, for me, anybody. Because when you see what that chemical reaction does to you, where you, the side effects you're seeing, what it causes you to do, suicidal side effects, suicidal reaction, in many cases, they tell you in the box on what could happen if you take these. What is, if, if you got suicidal tendencies, if you're willing to kill yourself, do you think you're not willing to kill other people? Great point. No, I, I, I think, I think, by the way, and that's a controversial statement I'm making. It is. But all I'm saying to you is, if you're going there, then somebody else may come in and say, why don't we go there? Cause one can't go without the other. That's exactly what I'm saying to you. And just to make the point.

• 1:57:48Adam Sosnick?

  You've got some hardcore two-way people that do not agree with what you're saying.

• 1:57:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I know, and I know. And by the way, they, they.

• 1:57:54Adam Sosnick?

  Because I think legally, hear me out, I think legally, fact-check this. If you have just a basic mental problem, you have depression, you have anxiety, you could definitely own a gun in this country. That's not even, that's not even an issue.

• 1:58:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, there's, there's two things here. So let's go to receipts and I'm going to give you unemotional receipts. So whenever you hear the NRA talking about 4473, so if you look up NRA 4473, and it's, it's everywhere, they lobby on this quite a bit. That is a form that you must voluntarily fill out. And I'm going to go to insurance and you're going to back me up on something.

• 1:58:33Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, don't be so sure about that.

• 1:58:34Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, you will. And 4473 is a form that you have to voluntarily fill out that said, I'm on psychological medication. Once you fill that out, the guy at this counter says, well, if you're voluntarily telling me that, I cannot show you a gun. Because you're voluntarily telling me that, that you're under care and you've got this. So go away. There's no check. Whereas if you want life insurance and says, are you taking any drugs? No, I'm not. Sign here because we're also going to do a script check, a med check. You're, wait, wait, wait. I'm happy to give you a life insurance, but the price is going to change because you've been on nicotine patches for three years. When did you quit smoking? And you're on thyroid medication. So you can still get life insurance, but the price is going to go up because of your risk factors.

• 1:59:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Why didn't you tell the truth? We can tell. They don't do that to buy a gun. And so, yeah, yep. So the ATF doesn't want 4473 to become a check because they want people to be able to get the guns. That's bad. On the other hand, I have to call the local sheriff and say, my cousin, Adam-

• 1:59:35Adam Sosnick?

  Is batshit crazy?

• 1:59:36Tom Ellsworth?

  -had a breakdown because of a recent divorce. He has two guns at home. I don't want him to harm himself and I think he needs to get his head together. Sheriff David is dispatched to say, hey, Adam, there's a concern from one of your-

• 1:59:50Adam Sosnick?

  Hey, Pat!

• 1:59:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Do you, do you have firearms here? Yes, I own two pistols. He tells the truth. I know, I show the serial numbers here and your permit number. We need to take them. We're not confiscating them, but we are going to impound them. And then you need to go to court and talk about this because a family member is concerned about you. Thank you for cooperating. I'm taking your weapons. So that's the way it works. You have to have a family member turn you in and it happened, or you have to voluntarily do this. My attitude is, I believe that if, if, if life insurance automatically does script check, then why shouldn't a gun purchase do the same script check?

• 2:00:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I fully agree.

• 2:00:31Tom Ellsworth?

  This voluntarily-

• 2:00:32Patrick Bet-David?

  If I, Tom, if I right now, try to sell you an insurance policy, and, and the insurance company finds out you're on Prozac, or Zoloft-

• 2:00:41Tom Ellsworth?

  And I lied on the last page.

• 2:00:43Patrick Bet-David?

  If they find out, okay, Rob, can you, can you, can you pull up, do life insurance companies underwrite somebody taking Prozac-

• 2:00:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Or Zoloft.

• 2:00:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Or Zoloft? Do life insurance companies-

• 2:00:56Tom Ellsworth?

  They don't, right?

• 2:00:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Underwrite those taking, and what do you call those medicines? Prozac-

• 2:01:04Tom Ellsworth?

  SSRIs.

• 2:01:06Patrick Bet-David?

  In a different way, what does it say?

• 2:01:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Medication alone's not disqualified, but it will make it more expensive.

• 2:01:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It is gonna make you more expensive, so check this out. So, if life insurance companies automatically see it as a risk, and that's life insurance, why wouldn't somebody that's selling a gun do-

• 2:01:25Tom Ellsworth?

  And you sign and give them permission to look at public records of your prescriptions.

• 2:01:29Patrick Bet-David?

  If you, if, if Trump and them are gonna go this direction, well, you gotta go full. Right? It's, it's, it's like, you know, no, don't say that.

• 2:01:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Don't do it. Don't go full, Pat. Don't do it. Hey, nobody go full.

• 2:01:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No, because it's tropical thunder, you're done if you do something like that, right? So, to me, I, I, Tom, for a guy that is unloaded-

• 2:01:51Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm two A.

• 2:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  And I am like, go with this.

• 2:01:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 2:01:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I am. Because life insurance companies-

• 2:01:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Right. So why don't you do that? And by the way, how quickly do we do it? How quickly do life insurance companies do that check?

• 2:02:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Very quickly.

• 2:02:04Tom Ellsworth?

  There are, there are instant underwriting and accelerated underwriting now, Vinnie, that'll happen. I'll be sitting at your house, I fill it out on my iPad, it goes in there-

• 2:02:13Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, we're gonna lose the audience if we start correcting people on how to fill out a life insurance application.

• 2:02:17Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, I'm just saying, it is quick. It doesn't take weeks, it's very quick. They can practically do it at the point of sale.

• 2:02:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:25Tom Ellsworth?

  You go to Best Buy to get an iPhone, get your credit check in eight seconds.

• 2:02:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, we're gonna go to the next story, and the next story's about Venezuela, is what we're gonna go to. President Trump. praises military strike on Venezuela drug boat. And what does Venezuela do? First, let me read that. Rob, do you have the video right there?

• 2:02:44Speaker 06

  I do.

• 2:02:44Patrick Bet-David?

  If you can play this clip first and then play the other one. This is, this is getting very interesting. So watch this one here, folks. This is what President Trump is praising. Look, look, look. Earmuffs.

• 2:02:57Speaker 06

  We'll go the bags of drugs in the back, probably some guns. Let's just be honest with each other. Change the angle.

• 2:03:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Minding their own business. They're just kind of like.

• 2:03:04Speaker 06

  Nice, nice little boat ride.

• 2:03:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Ocean. Hey, here's a cigar.

• 2:03:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Heading to Miami.

• 2:03:08Speaker 06

  Let's change the angle.

• 2:03:10Tom Ellsworth?

  See some friends.

• 2:03:10Speaker 06

  All right, incoming. In.

• 2:03:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, wow. Bye.

• 2:03:14Speaker 07

  You know what? That's why you should never smoke in bed.

• 2:03:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Done.

• 2:03:18Speaker 07

  So those guys, those guys all die?

• 2:03:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So, by the way, do we know who was on the boat?

• 2:03:22Speaker 07

  Eleven individuals, they claim are drug smugglers from Venezuela.

• 2:03:26Speaker 06

  Tren de agua.

• 2:03:28Speaker 07

  So they were now forty-four partial individuals.

• 2:03:31Speaker 06

  Who are now in the agua.

• 2:03:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Say it again.

• 2:03:33Speaker 07

  Uh, they were riot, apparently, according to reports, they were, uh, driving the boat at night, dark with no lights to try and, uh, be, you know, incognito. So they were definitely up to something suspicious.

• 2:03:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so they were definitely up to something suspicious. So President Trump praises that. Was there a tweet on that or no?

• 2:03:48Speaker 07

  A video.

• 2:03:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go for it.

• 2:03:50Speaker 10

  Come out and when you leave the room, you'll see that, uh, we just, uh, over the last few minutes, literally, uh, shot out a, uh, a boat, a drug carrying boat, a lot of drugs in that boat. And you'll be seeing that and you'll be reading about that. It just happened moments ago and, uh, our great general, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who's been so, uh, incredible, including what took place in Iran, knocking out, uh, potential nuclear power for a long time to come. I think within a month, they would have had it. We didn't do what we did. Uh, but, uh, he gave us a little bit of a, uh, briefing. And you'll see, and there's more where that came from.

• 2:04:35Speaker 10

  We have a lot of drugs pouring into our country, coming in for a long time.

• 2:04:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Composito right there. Meanwhile, Venezuela fighter jets flew over US Navy ship in show of force. This is a CBS story, two armed Venezuelan F-16 jets, which I think Americans sold it to them, right?

• 2:04:51Tom Ellsworth?

  That is old technology that we sell to people like Venezuela to protect themselves, yes.

• 2:04:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Flew over the USS Jason Dunham and Aegis guided missile destroyer on Thursday in a show of force. Okay, as confirmed by multiple Defense Department officials with the Pentagon stating on X, "This highly provocative move was designed to interfere with our counter narco terror operation. The cartel running Venezuela strongly advised not to pursue any further effort to obstruct, deter, or interfere with counter narcotics and counter terror operations carried out by the US military. The flyover occurred in the international waters in the southern Caribbean, part of US naval flotilla deployed to target criminal organizations and narco-terrorism through CBS. News could not confirm any specifics response from the USS Jason Dunham."

• 2:05:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So Tom, your thoughts on this here?

• 2:05:42Tom Ellsworth?

  First of all, if anybody understands what the three Aegis-class destroyers that are out there, they had that, those aircraft on radar from 100 miles away or more. And those guys were almost certainly on direct radar lock as they flew over and they knew it. And with a simple message back to Maduro, "The only reason those guys aren't in the water is because we didn't bother to." And your little show of force here, we could have splashed both of those things before you even had a chance to finish your morning coffee. And so this show of force with, this is not a show of force.

• 2:06:22Tom Ellsworth?

  It is a, it is a political photo op that Venezuela is trying to do for the rest of the world. But if we thought that there was any threat to those guys, they would have been downed from 50 miles away. And that, so to me, this is really odd. And the Department of Defense is showing some restraint here. Yeah, those two aircraft here, I really wouldn't do that again. So we're basically saying, "I told you once." That's it. And that's, that's what we're saying here. "I told you once. You want to do this again? You know what? This could be really bad." Because there's a reason that we sent those. And by the way, Vinny, do you think those destroyers are alone?

• 2:07:04Speaker 06

  Hell no.

• 2:07:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Or do they have little brothers below the water?

• 2:07:06Speaker 06

  They have a lot of little, I mean little big brothers with a lot of capability.

• 2:07:09Tom Ellsworth?

  And they have also got high altitude aircraft that's got a radar blanket over the whole place.

• 2:07:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:07:15Tom Ellsworth?

  They've got everything they need. And so these destroyers are not out there vulnerable.

• 2:07:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:07:22Tom Ellsworth?

  So I, this wasn't a show of force, it was a show of stupidity.

• 2:07:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:07:26Tom Ellsworth?

  And then the Defense Department, they're lucky that we just didn't do it, Pat. And because the other thing would have been a little blue box from the Department of Defense. Dear Maduro, what the hell were you thinking? Period. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

• 2:07:38Speaker 06

  You know, I'm shocked PETA hasn't said anything because they blew up that boat with the water with the cocaine and like, you know how many sharks are probably just coked out of their mind? Remember Cocaine Bear? You know how many sharks are like, oh my God, am I freaking dolphin? Am I dolphin? Like they're losing their minds right now and I'm shocked PETA.

• 2:07:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Staying up all night, swimming oddly.

• 2:07:54Speaker 06

  Talking like their friends' ears off.

• 2:07:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Scratching, scratching their cheeks really fast. Yeah, those poor sharks.

• 2:08:00Adam Sosnick?

  Sharks are acting interesting.

• 2:08:02Tom Ellsworth?

  That's cocaine talk, but go ahead, Adam.

• 2:08:03Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, gotcha. Uh, well, everyone knows Maduro's a bad dude. Uh, I, I also have a major uh, issues based on what's going on here. Anytime the CIA gets, try to gets involved in regime change, that always ends ugly. Uh, most of the time. Uh, by the way, how did our war on drugs work out in the history of America?

• 2:08:23Speaker 06

  We lost.

• 2:08:24Tom Ellsworth?

  No, the drugs, it's been a massive failure. The drugs won.

• 2:08:26Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I mean it filled the prisons with millions of black and brown dudes. Um, I used to listen to the song, "I got five on it." I was like, damn, this is the jam. They're like, yeah, it means like a nickel bag of weed.

• 2:08:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:08:37Adam Sosnick?

  I was like, oh, okay.

• 2:08:38Tom Ellsworth?

  When you say we filled the prisons, remember Kamala Harris on Three Strikes Along California?

• 2:08:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It's actually a very good song by Loonies, but.

• 2:08:43Adam Sosnick?

  It's an incredible song by Loonies.

• 2:08:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:45Adam Sosnick?

  I always wanted to have five on it until I realized that it was a nickel bag. And then I realized you can go to jail for a nickel bag. What? So that's what happened there. So the government wasted, um, Tom, people are talking. Uh, the government wasted billions of dollars on, um, fighting the drug war in Latin America that did nothing. Meanwhile, Big Pharma here in America, we just talked about it, made billions, if not trillions, and we got thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people hooked on opioids here in America. So there's a massive opioid epidemic that we need to deal with. I just don't know if this show of force is actually going to benefit us in the end. Uh, because anything we've done in the war on drugs has backfired.

• 2:09:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's see. Let's see what's going to happen here. I can tell you. One of the 20 things he did talk about was fentanyl. And if you want to focus on something like Epstein and that's all you care about, he's trying to focus on his 20 issues. That's true. That's what he's trying to do. That's true. So don't, don't get distracted here with the games that you play sometimes that gets out of control. Listen, you're just, you're just... So, so let me get back to this next story. You just like the Loonies reference. I love the Loonies reference. That's right, I know you would. By the way, and I like the remix version of that song. Tom, I will give you a thousand dollars right now if you can sing the "I Got Five On It" song by the Loonies. Thousand dollars, right now.

• 2:10:02Speaker 06

  Just sing the chorus, Tom.

• 2:10:03Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, that's all you have to get. Just the chorus. How does "I Got Five On It" go?

• 2:10:09Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 2:10:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know about it. My name is the biz dog, I don't know about it. Alright, so let me show you this. Creep on in, on in, on in. Uh, let's go to this one here. Tom, you don't have any money on it, bro. Folks, if you live in Dearborn Heights, here's what's going on in Dearborn Heights, and you know about it. Dearborn Heights, this is the official police patch. Wow. In Dearborn Heights. It's over. Okay, just to make sure everybody knows. Dearborn Heights is the first in US with Arabic on their police patch, okay? So let's go through this here. The Dearborn Heights Police Department introduced a nation's first police patch featuring both English and Arabic script, designed by Officer, uh, Officer Emily Murdock to reflect the city's diverse community in the patch,

• 2:10:56Patrick Bet-David?

  displaying the Michigan seal in the center in the words of Dearborn Heights. Police written both languages. The department, led by Police Chief Ahmed Haidar, confirmed on Wednesday that the optional patch can be worn as part of officers' uniforms, aiming to honor the 39% of Dearborn Heights residents of Middle Eastern and North African descent as of 2023, with neighboring Dearborn having a 55% population of similar background. The department praised the initiative, stating on Facebook, "We are proud of Officer Murdock's creativity and dedication in helping our department better represent the people we serve. Our officers proudly serve all members of our community, and this new design is another way we can continue to celebrate the rich cultures that make our city unique." Vinny, your thoughts on this?

• 2:11:38Speaker 06

  I'm, listen, you could... Call me a racist, you could call me xenophobic, whatever the hell you want to call me. I don't care. This is a no-go. I don't give a damn if it's Arabic, Hebrew, Farsi, I'm Assyrian. It doesn't matter. The second you put on foreign language, on a local law enforcement uniform, you cross the line. And anybody, you, there's nothing that you could say that's going to change my mind, okay? We made like, what, where, where do we live? We're the United States of America. No, I don't, I don't like any other, it's, this is our freaking country. And I don't, call me whatever the hell you want. And again, Adam, we're talking about the New York thing. We, we let one, then this is gonna happen here, and it's not gonna stop. I'm, I'm anti-this through and through. Period.

• 2:12:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Adam.

• 2:12:21Adam Sosnick?

  Well, huh.

• 2:12:22Speaker 06

  I'm done.

• 2:12:22Adam Sosnick?

  I just got back from Detroit. I was actually in Dearborn, because when you fly into Detroit Airport, you have to go through Dearborn, and I actually went out of my way.

• 2:12:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Comfortable. You're more comfortable flying into Dearborn Heights than Russia?

• 2:12:35Adam Sosnick?

  I will sit down with anybody. Okay, you want to know what?

• 2:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  It has come to this.

• 2:12:40Speaker 06

  What are you talking about right now? He's right.

• 2:12:42Adam Sosnick?

  Are you ready? You ready?

• 2:12:43Speaker 06

  Russia?

• 2:12:43Adam Sosnick?

  This was, I walk into the airport, I sit my mom down. This was my first experience as soon as I got to the airport. Play it with volume, please. What's up, guys? Here in Detroit, and just want to bring you into speed on what's going on here. You're so funny. Detroit. I want to be very clear that I'm in Detroit, and I'm in an airport, and these are my, uh, people sitting near me, in America.

• 2:13:13Adam Sosnick?

  Damn, you're getting close. Oh, I'm in there. They might know, they might recognize you. Let me just make sure. So, by the way, I have multiple videos of this. Practice whatever religion you want. Do whatever you want in America, freedom of speech, freedom of religion. We're done with the face covering thing. There's people in Detroit covered up as if they're going to Mecca today. This is a little aggressive to me. So this is just a, uh, a little example here of now, the police, the, what is this, the shield is in Arabic? I'm okay with it. There's no face coverings in America.

• 2:13:48Speaker 06

  Wait, you're okay with the shield thing, but you're not.

• 2:13:50Adam Sosnick?

  I'm just saying, there needs to be a line drawn here. I don't know about the shield. I see different languages, different, different.

• 2:13:58Speaker 06

  Not in America.

• 2:13:59Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, they're gonna get upset at you.

• 2:14:01Adam Sosnick?

  The, the, the fact that you could just operate how you're operating in Saudi Arabia in Detroit is problematic to me.

• 2:14:09Speaker 06

  I mean, does it bother you that they're wearing the, I mean, other races? Jewish people wear yarmulkes. You don't get mad at them for wearing a yarmulke?

• 2:14:15Adam Sosnick?

  That's not covering your face.

• 2:14:15Speaker 06

  Well, that's their religion. I don't think that, I don't think that's bad. I think, I think that is messed up.

• 2:14:20Adam Sosnick?

  To me, that's cultural wear. As long as you show your face, we're okay.

• 2:14:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm the other way around.

• 2:14:24Adam Sosnick?

  You know they say, no face, no case?

• 2:14:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:26Adam Sosnick?

  No, I, I.

• 2:14:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep. Adam, is it because like if you're trying to flirt, you want to know what they look like?

• 2:14:31Speaker 06

  That's a whole different situation.

• 2:14:32Adam Sosnick?

  I'm just saying, whether it's a mask or a COVID.

• 2:14:34Patrick Bet-David?

  If that's what you're saying, maybe there's a, but, but to me, I don't have a problem, but that's how they dress because that's their religious way of dressing.

• 2:14:41Adam Sosnick?

  Not in America, buddy.

• 2:14:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I got a problem with this here guy. That's what I got a problem with. I got a problem with that. Okay?

• 2:14:47Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 2:14:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, that's what, uh, that's what bothers me the most. Let me go to Tim Kaine. Former VP candidate for Hillary Clinton sparks backlash after calling Declaration of Independence God-given rights extremely troubling. Rob, do you have this clip by any chance? So he faced widespread criticism after stating during a Wednesday Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. And this is what he had to say. Go ahead.

• 2:15:12Speaker 22

  The notion that rights don't come from laws and don't come from the government, but come from the creator. That's what the Iranian government believes. It's a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Shia law and targets Sunnis, Bahais, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities.

• 2:15:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that really what he's saying?

• 2:15:33Speaker 22

  And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their creator. Oh. So the statement that. Our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.

• 2:15:46Speaker 06

  Vinny. Oh my, okay, so what, okay. And I know we touched on it a little bit earlier in the week, but this is to me, like, what the Democratic Party has become. He said the idea that rights come from the creator, not the government, he said it, it's extremely troubling and he compared it to Iran, like, that's not a slip of the tongue, bro, that's exposing the mindset of the party that hates what this country was built on. So our founders, and I want to, I want to prove to you how absolutely wrong he is, Tom, because you said it before we started. It's crystal clear in the Declaration of Independence, and I quote, "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator

• 2:16:25Speaker 06

  with certain unalienable rights." Okay, right, not from the government, not by politicians like Tim Kaine, okay, by God. All right, and if the government gives you your rights, guess what they could do, Tom? They can take them away. All right, and that's how dictatorship like Mao's China operates, okay, and look what, and again, look what the party stands for, and I, I, I, I was on Pierce's band, I was going against, uh, Jim, uh, Jim Carville, James Carville. Jim Carville. And what's his, Harry Sisson, I go, what did your party stand for? I go, if you guys have all these problems, I go, you're pushing, uh, gender ideology, you guys mutilate children with surgeries and hormones, that's your party. Open borders that let chaos pour in, which more, uh, sex trafficking happens, you put American families in danger, you guys want to defund the police,

• 2:17:10Speaker 06

  you celebrate abortion, you weaponize the Department of Justice and FBI to destroy people in your way, what else, what do you stand for? Yeah, but Vinny, Vinny, other than that. Yeah, and Tom, I love you for putting- You sound very angry about this. No, no, Adam, it just drives me- It's almost like you're an angry patriot. No, but, but it just drives me crazy because you have people like this saying complete lies, okay, and then you're, you're showing your true colors, you're not even hiding it, you're saying it didn't come from God, really, then who should I believe? Should I believe you, Tim Kaine, who has absolutely no lips? I have small lips, Tim Kaine doesn't have any lips. So when you have him saying that they don't come from God, but it comes from government, he's saying- I can't. He's saying, he's saying the quiet part out loud, which I'm actually proud. Good. Show your colors. Show who you are. Okay, he's telling you straight up that the, that in their

• 2:17:55Speaker 06

  America and the his America and this Democrat guy's America, all right? Politicians play God. Period. I, he, this is the wor- this really, really pissed me off when I heard him say it, that it doesn't come from God. What do you agree, Tom?

• 2:18:09Tom Ellsworth?

  So, well, it's right there in the Constitution, you know, inalienable rights granted by our Creator. And that's what led to the Bill of Rights. And that's what, that's what it's based on. And so for him to say that is incorrect. Now, is, is he just being really clumsy in this particular hearing and saying, no, your rights don't come from range, your rights come right here that we make the laws in the Constitution? Well, then I could get that. But that's not what he said. And it was a very cumbersome argument. And I'm, I'm with Vinny. It's like, dude, what are you saying?

• 2:18:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you know, you, you, you wait for a moment for them to try to invite and welcome another community into their base. And I don't know how many times they keep fumbling this. Time after time after time again, they keep fumbling this. And keep in mind, he was about to be your Vice President of America.

• 2:19:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Yup.

• 2:19:01Patrick Bet-David?

  He was disclosed. If James Comey doesn't release what he released, Hillary Clinton's your President. And by the way, Trump may never be the President.

• 2:19:11Tom Ellsworth?

  That's right.

• 2:19:12Patrick Bet-David?

  If Trump may never be, Hillary would have been a two-termer. And today, he could have been your President. As the VP becoming like a Joe Biden type of thing.

• 2:19:19Tom Ellsworth?

  She wasn't perfectly healthy. She, we were one, if she was President, we were a stroke away from this guy being President.

• 2:19:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that would have been troubling. Adam, your thoughts?

• 2:19:27Adam Sosnick?

  Well, let's just say this. America is a Christian country. And those of us that are Jews, that are Muslims, that are Buddhists, that are Hindu, we're all just guests. And let's respect the fact that America is a Christian country. Now, it might not say that explicitly in the Constitution. But we all kinda know this was founded based on Judeo-Christian values by Christian people that are being persecuted. And came to America, whether it was the pilgrims or whether it was our forefathers that started this country. And I'm Jewish and I'm saying this. I also want to say that this is an English-speaking country. Even though English is not quote-unquote "the law of the land." We all know that this is an English-speaking country. So some things are assumed.

• 2:20:12Adam Sosnick?

  Some things are applied. Some things are God-given. I get it. There's a constant tug of war between separation of church and state. Should it be secular? Should it be more theocratic? Should the 10 commandments be in school? But let's just understand that this is a Christian country and don't upset the Christians. Now, my other response is, can the Christians get a little bit of a backbone? Because the Muslims have it, the Jews have it. Christians are a little too tolerant, in my opinion. So stop being so soft, Christians, and speak up.

• 2:20:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch your language, right?

• 2:20:41Adam Sosnick?

  Watch it.

• 2:20:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Sorry. This thing almost came.

• 2:20:43Adam Sosnick?

  Sorry, guys.

• 2:20:44Patrick Bet-David?

  This thing was like naturally.

• 2:20:46Adam Sosnick?

  Watch it.

• 2:20:46Patrick Bet-David?

  It's about to go like this.

• 2:20:47Adam Sosnick?

  I'm rooting for you guys.

• 2:20:48Speaker 06

  You're gonna get five on it.

• 2:20:49Adam Sosnick?

  I'm rooting for you guys.

• 2:20:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You said a few things.

• 2:20:51Adam Sosnick?

  I'm trying to give you guys credit.

• 2:20:53Speaker 06

  Your face is about to have five on it.

• 2:20:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It's coming very soon.

• 2:20:56Adam Sosnick?

  All right.

• 2:20:56Speaker 06

  Pass fingers.

• 2:20:57Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's get to the end of the podcast, guys. Two shout-outs I gotta give, okay? One, I gotta give a shout-out to the greatest pastor in the world. I've heard so many people preach over the years. No one has come close to this man. He's a special man. He's been going through some challenges the last two years. Family, you know, brother, and he's holding it together. The one and only Dudley Rutherford. If you can share this with him, I hope he sees it. Dudley, just so you know, you are loved by me, you are loved by our kids. Our kids, when we ask them, can we go to church or watch Dudley? Unanimous, would rather watch Dudley. We're on the Collagions, part three. You had another pastor preach this past Sunday.

• 2:21:40Patrick Bet-David?

  They want to watch the whole 18-episode that you guys want to go through. The kids are committed, the family's committed. You need to know you are loved by people around the world and your name is always coming up. Cannot tell you how many people love you. If you feel that way, send a man a message, if you know who he is. Give the man some love. Number two, this one I'm not comfortable about, and I want you guys to not watch this part. If you guys want to get off the podcast now and just go do something else, please, go. Don't watch this next part. I'd much rather only be zero viewers while I'm saying this, so nobody sees this last part of it. Respectfully, please, get off the podcast.

• 2:22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  This past Monday, we had friends over at our house, about 100 of them. And it was amazing, kids are swimming in the pool, we're eating good food, all this other stuff, having fun, you know, joking, all. Fights taking place outside with kids, we'll keep that anonymous. But we decided, me, Tecrin, and a couple of us, to play dominoes. And we had one of our friends, Louis, who's a good domino player, but he's not a great domino player. Like, he's just, he can play and have fun with you. That's what Louis is.

• 2:22:42Speaker 06

  Like a sixth man.

• 2:22:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he was good in maybe geometry, not more math analysis, or... But then we played with this one lady who comes. Well, later on, we found out her father at the time, grandfather at the time, 40 years ago, was a professional domino player, allegedly. I want to put that allegedly. From Venezuela. And then, while we're playing, she beats us the first time, and I sat there and said, "She just got lucky. There's no way in the world this is legit or real. This is just fake." I said, "Let's go one more time." And then, after the second time, when she beat us, and I tell you, beat us, she beat us in a way that, she was counting everybody's chips, and we know how to play this game.

• 2:23:20Speaker 06

  Oh wow, really?

• 2:23:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Counting Tecrin's chips.

• 2:23:24Speaker 06

  Oh, snap!

• 2:23:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Two games. She dominated everybody. And I gotta give Karina Machado a shout out. And then, later on, her husband said, she went to the top university in Venezuela, El Católica Venezuela, if I'm saying it correctly, and guess what? She is the only person in the history of that school to get 100 on her calculus in the university. Vini showed up, and I told her, "If they ever fire you, you got a job here with us." So, I told you I'm gonna keep my promise, and I'm doing it here, folks. Please don't share this with anybody, especially if you know her. Don't even send it her way. I just said I'm gonna do it, and I want to make sure I do it. Everybody that was there, you know who you are. Uh, we're gonna have a rematch. Hey, wherever you are, you're watching this, we're gonna have a rematch.

• 2:24:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I've been taking some calculus, late night classes, studying math analysis. Anyways. Gang, much love to everybody. We're gonna be gone. You're not gonna get a podcast on Monday. You're not gonna get a podcast from us on Wednesday, meaning, uh, a, um... Live Home Team Podcast. I believe on Monday, we have a, our, oh, my, Monday's gonna be sick. Our trip to Italy, we're gonna be announcing a new partner of ours, a collaboration that we've been working on for a while. They'll be coming out an interview of the number one clothing brand that billionaires wear, according to New York Times, point 001% of the world that wears. You're gonna see an entire spectacle of what it was when we went to Italy.

• 2:24:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And then we have on 9/11, you will have Robert O'Neill, who is the man who killed Osama bin Laden. We'll be doing podcasts with him on 9/11. And then there's gonna be another one of whistleblower in 2000, when he called that SSRIs. And he'll be coming out, I think, on Tuesday or Wednesday. And by the way, Robert O'Neill, if you guys wanted to manect him, he's officially on manect. You can actually manect Robert O'Neill on manect as well. That'll be next week. And then we will do a Home Team Podcast Friday, out of Orlando. So you're not gonna get any of this up between now and next Friday. Those of you guys that are coming to the Vault, I can't wait to see you. For some of you guys don't have the gear yet, while you're going to the Vault, go to the VTmerch.com, get your gear, get the Future Looks Bright, come in with your polos, come in with your dress shirts.

• 2:25:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You still have a chance to get it. There's gonna be a lot of surprises at the Vault. Cannot wait to see y'all there. Take care. God bless everybody. Have a great weekend. Bye bye, bye bye.

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