Anthropic AI Warning, Houthis Seize Oil Chokepoint & Lindsay Clancy Juror Doxxed | PBD #855

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team debate whether America should slow the AI race as industry leaders sound the alarm over increasingly powerful systems. They also break down the Houthis’ seizure of a critical Red Sea position, renewed fears over the future of the United Kingdom, Ilhan Omar’s DHS controversy, Lindsay Clancy’s holdout juror, and much more. — — — 👞 Get the NEW Billionaire Suede Loafer: https://bit.ly/4ym5oRA 👞 Get the FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 Ⓜ️ Connect on Minnect: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD Podcast Circles: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 Boardroom Cigar Lounge: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 Kalshi: http://kalshi.com/pbd — — — SUBSCRIBE TO: Valuetainment: https://www.youtube.com/@VALUETAINMENT Valuetainment Comedy: https://www.youtube.com/@ValuetainmentComedy — — — ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and the father of two boys and two girls. He resides in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:14Patrick Bet-David?

  The handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  My son's right there.

• 0:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:27Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, here we go. So lots of stories. AI is still the main topic of discussion. Everybody's worried about Dario came out from Anthropic and saying, hey, it's true, we gotta lock it up. And then Elon agreed. And then Altman said, let's go have a beer and talk about it. And they're saying, we need the president's help. Then you hear China, who's having a meeting this 10 days with Xi is coming out to meet with the president. One of the main topics of discussion is, what are we going to do with AI regulation worldwide? China looks at themselves as the underdog, being behind the, you know, the eight ball. Hey, we're trying to catch up. You was, you're taking a lead. The president on Air Force One was asked about it, even if he uses AI, you should see his answer.

• 1:06Patrick Bet-David?

  But he says, we should continue going and not slow down. So that's, that's a very big topic of discussion that we will get into. At the same time,

• 1:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Houthis took over a handful of islands, four islands, and you're, you're hearing about what they're doing and how they took over Mochha, the historic port city, they took over Duba, overlooking the strait, they took over Mayum, Perim, and they took over Zucca. And this is reports coming in on what they're doing. So about 12% of all the business that's done goes through this area. And so Saudi Arabia may be the biggest immediate impact and MBS is probably not too happy about it. But Houthis are doubled down. We have to talk about that story. And I have my own thoughts. I know Tom does as well. And I think there's an opportunity here to be the aggressor because you know Houthis gets their money from who?

• 1:57Patrick Bet-David?

  They get it from Iran. So all the money that was given to them, they're funding the Houthis. So whatever happens there is coming from them. And I want to share this story with you guys, which is very weird. You know, the juror that went against the Lindsay Clancy stuff, you know, that guy that everybody's trying to dox that the existing 11 jurors doxed him enough that there was a story done on him.

• 2:18Patrick Bet-David?

  That they said, this black man beat up his wife

• 2:24Patrick Bet-David?

  and his nephew. No wonder he was against Lindsay Clancy, who killed her three kids.

• 2:32Patrick Bet-David?

  You read this story and for a second you're like, this, this, this is not an onion story. This is not a Babylon B story. Is this a real, this is a real story? There's no way this is a real story. This is a real story. Are you flipping serious? Yes. So they're doxing the guy and trying to get him to look like the evil man who beat up his wife and hit his nephew or dropped his nephew to the ground. And there's a restraining order, which are two things we don't endorse and support. We're not saying, hey, go do that. But if you have to kind of say, hey, you know, you did this domestic violence, you killed your three kids. Well, no, you don't understand what things she was, maybe he was going through some issues at that time. Maybe she was nagging. You don't know what nagging is and how hard it is to be married to a nagger.

• 3:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you don't know how, can you imagine how ridiculous of the argument it is to say, I'm more married to a nagger versus this? Tom, you know what I'm talking about, right? I know exactly what you're talking about. That Tom's making, he was at the Dodgers game yesterday. The Dodgers were up 4-0 and then ended up losing 6-4. But they got another guy that just hit two bombs, another Dodger player. We don't have a bullpen. We have arsonists. So anyways, I don't want to get into it. That really upset me, but we'll get into that story with the doxing. And then Yankees on 9/11, this guy decides to run out with a Palestinian flag. In New York. In New York, they chase him down. And you know what people were screaming in the middle of the game? The three beautiful word letters. You ready?

• 3:58Patrick Bet-David?

  USA, USA, USA. And, and you ought to be able to do it because you're doing it on that day. And you know what? I saw a couple of clips. One, you suggested showing the Palestinians celebrating when 9/11 was when during 9/11. And then also another video shown by White House. You have to see this. It's a very emotional, very, very emotional video. I'll just, I'll just play it for you in a minute. It's an incredible, because we cannot forget what happened during that time. And it's still going on right now, even though with the whole Iran issue that's going on. Still going on right now. We're going to talk about JD Vance's speech that he gave and that Marco Rubio is telling everybody he has no plans of running. Whatsoever. He's telling everybody he has no plans of running.

• 4:38Patrick Bet-David?

  And behind closed doors, JD's, a lot of people are coming to him saying that we can raise a lot of money for you and all this other stuff. So we'll see what happened there. Interest rates. You ready for this? You ready? Interest rates are about to raise in the first time in three years. So if you were hoping to wait to buy a property because you're going to get lower interest rates, it's probably not coming, based on the reports that came in. We'll talk about that as well. Oil just now, if you look at what oil just hit 104, it could even go even higher than that. And we're talking about West Texas oil 104. Then Florida DeSantis, as if he hasn't already done a great job as a governor, he wants to make sure everybody knows with the last two months that he's got left, Adam was talking about this.

• 5:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That, hey, I'm the greatest governor that this state has had, and I'm the greatest governor during the last five years. Nobody did a better job than me. It's tough to dispute that. He was phenomenal. He's got a couple of other things he's doing. His Attorney General, who's, who's a very strong heavyweight, sues Netflix where they're tracking children selling info. And at the same time, Florida approves process to designate CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood, Antifa as terror groups because they want to make sure Florida stays safe. Good. And I got a story I want to share with you from what my pastor, Dudley Rutherford sermon from a few weeks ago, I want to share with you that I think applies to everybody that's running a business, everybody that's running a business.

• 6:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You, uh, this is a story for all of us. And maybe I'll even start it off with that to get, you know, you realizing how things are. So there was once a drill sergeant. Okay, Vinny, there was once a drill sergeant. Tom, this is from the greatest pastor in the world, Pastor Dudley Rutherford. He says, there was once a drill sergeant who gets in front of his unit.

• 6:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, you know what? Who thinks they can beat me up? Who? Drill sergeant's 5'8", 5'9", okay, Drill Sergeant Jackson. None of you can beat me up. Who thinks they can beat me up? And no one's raising their hands. I was like, my God, this guy probably knows some jujitsu, probably knows Muay Thai, any of that stuff. No one. 30 seconds into it, this one kid, 18 years old, 6'4", 250, raises his hand. Drill sergeant goes up to him. He says, boy, you think you can beat me up? He says, yes, Drill Sergeant. You really think you can beat me up? Yes, Drill Sergeant. Perfect. He's my assistant. Who thinks they can beat us up?

• 7:10Patrick Bet-David?

  He's with me. He's with me. Funny. And then they stand there says, okay, moving forward, this guy's my right hand guy. What do you guys want to do? That's awesome. The moral of the story is what? Life is 10 times better in business when you find your running mates that have your back. There is nothing like it. And sometimes all you gotta do is ask people around you and say, hey, who's with me? Right? And then you get a couple of them. You can go do great things and future looks bright. So with that being said, if you notice right now what everyone's wearing, Vinny's got the latest Icon Collection white shirt, the most comfortable white shirts you'll ever wear. And the material is soft and it breathes. I love that shirt.

• 7:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Extremely. You're right. Tom's got the black polo shirt with FLB's logo on as well as the white. This is our tech fabric, which is really light, great in summer. Adam's got the white shirt button up. This is all I wear. And the jacket, man. Look at the jacket. Tom, can I speak like the entire time, like I'm going through this? I'm wearing this white shirt myself. And this is, by the way, my closet is filled with these. And then Vinny's wearing the beautiful Faith Over Fear shirt that we got on. So guys in the back, if you can play the clip, please, before we get into the podcast, go for it.

• 9:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you believe the future looks bright, spread the gear, wear the gear, go to FLB.com and check out the Icon Collection. By the way, the loafers are on fire. The loafers are on fire, whether it's the stone, the brown or the navy blue. I wore them this weekend. They're on fire. They're got the on cloud, the technology in the middle of it as well. So go to FLB.com, place your order again. Go to FLB.com, place the order. With that being said, let's get right into it. So this weekend, Tom, Dario comes out. Nobody knows what he's going to be saying. He puts out a tweet. And then almost like a blog that he writes with the story of Anthropic, because last week, this fellow who was at Anthropic for a few weeks, he leaves, he says, hey,

• 9:50Patrick Bet-David?

  super intelligence around the corner. And you know, great things, you know, bad things are happening. You should be careful. There's a 10% chance AI is going to turn on us. And it's going to do this. And he wrote this, we must pace the frontier. This is the CEO of Anthropic. I've written a new essay on why the AI industry should slow down with a three-part plan. For doing so, Anthropic is unilaterally committing to the first of these steps. Will provide third-party evaluators with permanent employee level access to our system so that they can verify adherence to our safety measures, report on incidents, assess models, alignment during training. You can read the full post below. And if you go through it, there's a lot of things that he talks about. Elon supported it. Sam Altman came up.

• 10:35Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and by the way, if you want to kind of pull up a summary of it, Sam Altman came out and said, I agree with Dario that we need to pace the frontier. This has been a primary topic of discussions we've had at OpenAI in recent weeks, committing to have an independent evaluators with employee-like access is a great idea. And we will do the same. We'll have more to share soon. Musk says, I agree. I've been saying this for a while. And Dario is right, very simple. Bernie Sanders sees this as an opportunity to say even more. So he says, I'm, I'm glad finally everybody is agreeing with me. If you want to go to Bernie Sanders's account. I'm glad everybody is finally agreeing with me, but this is not enough. We need to go even further than this.

• 11:17Patrick Bet-David?

  If you just go to people right there, just type in people to his account. He says, we need to go even further than this of what's going on. And I'm glad they're finally supporting it. I think it's lower than that. If you go a little bit lower, you should find it anyways. And then the president, there you go. Warning in 2001, artificial summoning Elon Musk says Jacob is a warning about existential threat of AI is a setup. Really? In 2014 Musk said, okay, so this is previous to that. But he's saying now more people are joining him. I think it's on the retweet section of Bernie Sanders. Then the president was asked about this. And when the president was asked about it, he gave a very different answer about what should happen. President's response, if you have that clip when he was asked about it, they said, hey, are you using AI? What are you doing with this? And this is what he said about AI. Go for it.

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• 13:46Speaker 01

  We take it a lot of their cars, car tariffs.

• 13:49Speaker 07

  This week, again, there's been so much concern about AI. Have you heard directly from any of these AI tech leaders? And you seem to downplay some of the concerns that we've heard.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  But it's, you know, it's going to be more good than bad, but by a lot.

• 14:03Speaker 07

  But have you heard directly from any of them?

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Beginning, whoever wins AI and we're leading by a lot. Whoever wins, AI wins.

• 14:10Speaker 07

  Have you ever used it yourself or have you been?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  I use AI, yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 07

  How do you use AI?

• 14:14Speaker 01

  But I would say, you know, for the most part, you can use AI for a lot of things.

• 14:19Speaker 07

  What do you use it for?

• 14:20Speaker 01

  I don't want to do that.

• 14:21Speaker 07

  Speaking of AI.

• 14:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't want to tell you. So Tom, your thoughts about everything that's going on here?

• 14:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Wow, where to start? Um, first of all, it was very interesting. I was looking at the playing field, um, all this weekend. And what was very interesting, you have Dario and Sam Altman, the frontier guys, the undisputed leaders, one A and one B. Right? These are the, the heavyweights. They're out there saying things together. Why are they saying that? Then you got David Sacks, who'd been working, you know, digital czar with the White House, uh, saying, wait a minute, you guys don't need permission to do this. You could do these things out of competitive impulse. You could do things out of free market. You could do a lot of things. David Sacks wrote a very, very long response that said, you don't need permission. Then you have Elon Musk saying, I'm mostly with the Modi because he'll never say he's with Sam because he had that big lawsuit thing.

• 15:11Tom Ellsworth?

  But he's really with both of them of where they are. And then you had a variety of other people, including, um, you know, Nadella at Microsoft. He says, no, no, no, wait a minute. It's got to apply across all companies. True, let me translate Nadella. Time out, don't leave Microsoft out. Okay, that's what Nadella said. And then Jensen Wang was, he said, man, what's the commercial incentive here? Might you guys be thinking about regulatory capture? And then Lena Khan comes out and she was the previous chairman of the FTC. And she wrote a very eloquent, by the way, I'm not necessarily a fan of everything but Lena Khan. Cause I don't think she was full capitalism. I think she was also, you know, likes to find a few people in terms of regulatory capture and then favor those. And I don't like that.

• 15:56Tom Ellsworth?

  But even Bill Gurley came out from Benchmark and said, hey, you know, she made a very relevant point. What she said is like, hang on, the Federal Trade Commission has got a bunch of mechanisms in place. Number one, we can regulate defective products. Number two, we can regulate oligopolies similar to what happened in insurance markets uh, on the golf course after Hurricane Katrina, when State Farm backed out. State Farm backed out, left only a few insurance providers in the Gulf Pat. So what did they do? They raised rates together and they lock arms. And she's like, wait a minute, we've got ways to do this. And Bill Gurley really responded, well said. And so I look at it and I, I want to know two things.

• 16:40Tom Ellsworth?

  The first thing I want to know is where's the commercial outcome here? What are we going to do? Are we going to pull back and limit? And then these guys are going to favoritism for the government? A of some, something along those lines? Or B, is it just going to go? But one thing you know for sure, if you limit what's going on, China will speed up. So if you believe that there's a global competition for AI as a product, then if you limit one side, you're basically.

• 17:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the right move, Tom?

• 17:14Tom Ellsworth?

  I think the right move is to leave it open. Cause anything that Bernie Sanders says, remember what Bernie Sanders called for. Remember, you know, the Dems, Vinnie, this isn't math. This is just politics. What did we find in all the bills about the inflation bill? A bunch of other stuff that had nothing to do with it, right? Guess what Bernie wants in the AI regulatory bill? A China treaty. Really? So you from the far left and your crazies and your Marxist quasi Marxist, you want a China treaty? I'm so surprised Bernie wants a China treaty in the middle of this. So I think the right move, leave the open market, leave it to go. But you can't have a situation where basically AI powered bots go nuts on the internet and create havoc.

• 17:58Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a defective product and you can't do that. So whether it's going to be a situation where the embedded observers, remember they were talking about the embeds? They would be embedded observers. Banking already has embedded observers. They watch their, their emails back and forth at the federal level to make sure there's no collusion.

• 18:16Patrick Bet-David?

  It seems like something happened to Dario recently. And, and you have to realize like the president saying, we have to continue with China, all this other stuff. Who knows more about AI? The guys that are running it or the president?

• 18:28Tom Ellsworth?

  The guys that are running it.

• 18:28Patrick Bet-David?

  The guys that are running it. So let's just kind of put that up there. Now, who is the guy that they need? If they want to over regulate the advancement of super intelligence and AI? They need the president, they need the White House. And by the way, I don't know if the markets opened up yet. I don't think it's going to be a good opening. I think people are going to overreact right off the bat. What's it looking like right now? We look, okay, it's down, Nasdaq is down 305.

• 18:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Nothing crazy yet.

• 18:50Patrick Bet-David?

  S and P is down, uh, Dow Jones is down. Nothing crazy yet, but they're down, right?

• 18:55Tom Ellsworth?

  0.2%.

• 18:56Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll, we'll see how people are going to be talking about everything that's going on. And in the paper that he wrote, Dario, he did say a few things. One, he said, we must slow the pace. Uh, but he's not calling for stopping AI research or shutting it down, slow the pace. And then he says that several months made him more concerned, particularly because AI is becoming increasingly capable of helping develop better AI. The beginning of what researchers worry could become recursive self-improvement. The recent autonomous agent incident scared him. We know which one that is, we kind of talked about it recently about it. His point was essentially the current agents weren't capable enough to cause catastrophic damage. But imagine the same behavior from models 10x more capable, which is going to be around the corner.

• 19:41Patrick Bet-David?

  His timeline is six to 12 months. He warned that within six to 12 months, a sufficiently capable swarm of misaligned AI agents could potentially establish a persistent botnet across the internet and cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage. He wants independent outsiders physically inside AI companies. So he wants third party looking into see what's going on, what they're doing.

• 20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So third-party safety evaluators would get employee-like access desks, badges, company laptops, and access comparable to internal risk teams. So companies aren't effectively grading their own homework. Anthropic says it will do it itself. He wants competing AI companies to coordinate. OpenAI, other frontier labs. And then, you know, China's obviously the big problem. He still says that he supports America. He doesn't support America, simply putting a brake on it. Michael Burry came out and said, "This is all an act." They're all faking it to hype it up, to say, "We have such incredible technology. Buy our shares. The IPO is going to be so much bigger." Michael Burry is coming from that angle with what he's saying. So, all in all, you know, the reality of it is, Michael Burry, AI leaders,

• 20:45Patrick Bet-David?

  call for slowdown or self-serving, and humanity has nothing to fear, is what Michael Burry is saying. In this, Xi is coming in the next 10 days, 11 days, to meet with the president. This will be one of the main topics they'll be talking about. But for me, here's how it works, Tom. This is how I see it. And please, challenge or push back, Tom. I see it as this. Okay. Let's look at binary options. Guess what? We shut it down and we do nothing. If we do nothing, you have to assume that other people will also do nothing. What's the chances of China shutting it down and doing nothing?

• 21:17Tom Ellsworth?

  They're not.

• 21:17Adam Sosnick?

  Very low.

• 21:18Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the chances?

• 21:19Adam Sosnick?

  Zero.

• 21:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly. Number two is, let it rip. Keep going, and let's go to superintelligence, which is going to happen next 6 to 12 months, 24 months. Okay, what then happens if we go to that route? What happens if superintelligence shows up? Go to best-case, worst-case scenario. Best-case scenario is what?

• 21:37Speaker 10

  Life is better, surgeries, doctors, all that stuff.

• 21:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Life is better, health, your back pain goes away, all this stuff goes away. Surgeries are better, medicine is better, all of that stuff that could happen. What else could happen? Business, you know, economy gets so good for them that they're making so much money that people are independently getting money, and debt goes down, and we can pay off our $40 trillion of national debt, maybe that's the bit. What's the worst-case scenario if we continue with superintelligence?

• 22:03Speaker 10

  It starts thinking for itself, and it starts thinking that we're lesser than it is, and tries to take over. And when he talks about the hacking, hacking into not just a regular system and ruining the economy. If it hacks into our nuclear capability, Pat, and starts doing things on its own, and starts thinking for itself and says, "You know what? We're going to start, I'm going to hack into this nuclear system, and I'm going to fake a launch, or try to launch something." This is, that's the worst-case scenario.

• 22:29Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think the worst-case will be, Tom?

• 22:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, the worst-case scenario, you know, they said that about, the reason we have such security investment, in cybersecurity investment, is because, basically, Romanians and Chinese and bad actors have been trying to get into water treatment plants and things for a long time, and sometimes are very successful. They've been trying to get information, Vinny. They've been trying to put them in a position where they could turn off water pumping power. There's a lot of things that they've been trying to do. This just is a tool that gets them to get closer to it. So the question that I have is, you could put the fear monger on anything, that if we didn't have, back in the day, Barracuda, and then we did, "Whoa, we don't like Kaspersky software, because Kaspersky, man, they're aligned with the Russians,

• 23:15Tom Ellsworth?

  and so they actually helped the Romanians on the back end, for the love of God, don't use Kaspersky's software, only use, oh, wait a minute, Intel was buying McAfee, so Intel wanted you to use McAfee. Oh, wow."

• 23:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Weird.

• 23:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Or Norton. Wow, what a coincidence. You pick on this to get that. When all the fear mongers come out there, I look at it and say, "Wait a minute. You know, wait a minute." Every time we've reached something in the internet, we have found other ways of protection and control. We now have incredible controls on commerce, so that you can't steal identity.

• 23:47Patrick Bet-David?

  That was my question. My question was, what's the worst thing that can happen, Tom?

• 23:49Tom Ellsworth?

  The worst thing that can happen is that they recursive technology on an island of its own spins up and then goes out to wreak havoc. And then the question is, wait a minute, well then, where's the backside to shut it down or pull it back? So the worst case is, things happen, and some of the, but, you know.

• 24:11Speaker 10

  Could it be catastrophic, Tom?

• 24:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Could it be catastrophic to, like, systems? Yeah. See, I don't worry about people in this. I worry about things. But things will hurt people. So if it shuts down electricity, people get hurt. Shuts down water plants, people get hurt. So the worst-case scenario is that the recursiveness, you know what recursive is? It starts spinning, and it starts improving itself in milliseconds. And so it figures out how to get into something, it does it together. The worst case is things like that. What bothered me about the hugging face, from two weeks ago, was the claim, and it's only, it's never been, no one has come out and produced like a full paper on this, and I want to read the paper. It's the same thing that Jensen Wang talked about.

• 24:56Tom Ellsworth?

  I want to read the paper and tell me, did those bots really work together? Remember, that was point one. They worked together. Did they act as a swarm and sacrifice themselves? In other words, you do this, and then I'll erase you. And then did they do it in such a way because they anticipated the human response? That the humans were going to go in and try to track it? Did that happen with hugging face? Now then, all right, Amode is saying, "Well, the hugging face app helped me convince the AI need to slow down." Is he saying that even his people couldn't get in there and put the guardrails around it? Like, security and things like this? Every new thing on the internet needs security for it. Every new drug needs the FDA to limit it, although the FDA is full of.

• 25:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you explain to the audience what the hugging face is?

• 25:42Tom Ellsworth?

  So, hugging face is, was, you know, basically, think of it as a, you know, an AI community. Think of it as a group of engineers, what do they call it? You know, develops computation tools for building apps and machine learning. So in other words, think of it as like, "Oh, hey, don't rebuild the CRM. Go get an open-source AI engine, put it in, and then you build your software, because the AI engine's already been invented." "Hey, don't build a commerce checkout. Go to open source, plug it in, and then put your ideas around it." So hugging face put together agents and facilities and tools to help AI development. And what happened was, it got a little out of hand.

• 26:27Adam Sosnick?

  A little?

• 26:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I want to see.

• 26:29Adam Sosnick?

  He got a little crazy last night, guys.

• 26:30Tom Ellsworth?

  I want to see the paper that says that they effectively made AI bots that work together, that sacrifice themselves.

• 26:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's kind of what happened.

• 26:38Tom Ellsworth?

  And covered.

• 26:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Roughly 700 to 1,200 AI agents created their own chat, outside of you running it. 70,000 messages they shared with each other on how to get smarter. Then in a span of four and a half days, one of the agents did 17,500 actions on his own. Not even his own, on its own, right? So, it's kind of like, wait a minute, what just happened? Now you guys are communicating with each other, not even, we can't even see it?

• 27:04Speaker 10

  With no permission.

• 27:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So imagine, like, so the AI agents are communicating with one another, and you're not seeing this. So, like, imagine you have kids, okay? And for the most part, you have control over your kids. Remember back in the days AOL chat? And you would get into private rooms. So all of a sudden, private rooms, nobody knows what was going to be talked about in the private rooms. What are you guys talking about in the private rooms?

• 27:24Speaker 10

  Can't tell you about that.

• 27:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? Nowadays, of course, there's plenty of other ways of doing it. But they essentially created their own WhatsApp group, their own signal, and they communicated, nobody could see it. Now they got in like, "Whoa, wait a minute, come back here." So, Adam, your thoughts on this? Yeah, that was the how.

• 27:40Adam Sosnick?

  Well, like I said last week, the guy that spoke up, what was his name again? What were the kid's name?

• 27:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Jacob Haxson.

• 27:47Speaker 10

  Coxson.

• 27:48Adam Sosnick?

  Some people were hating on him, some people were appreciating him. I lean on the side of appreciating him because he started this deeper conversation. I feel like we've been talking about this, sort of running around, and now we're like in the eye of the storm, having this conversation. And here's my thoughts. You said a word, PBD, that I was like, "All right, bingo, there it is." You said the word "binary." And I'm not going trans, non-binary here. I'm saying, the thing with AI, for me, is one word, balance. And it comes down to regulation versus innovation. So, like, if you're going to do an investment, anytime you're going to make an investment, it comes with risk and it comes with reward. Those are the binary situations that you've got going on right now. Do we want to over-regulate this like Bernie does?

• 28:30Adam Sosnick?

  Or do you want to go pro-innovation, pro-growth, like Trump does? Bernie's never built a business. I'm never going to side with Bernie on anything business, economic, growth, because he's never done it. Trump's done it. Now, is he being a little too aggressive, a little overzealous? Maybe, but I'm not erring on the side of caution to the point where I'd shut it down.

• 28:51Patrick Bet-David?

  This is not a Bernie-Trump thing, so.

• 28:53Adam Sosnick?

  No, but there's more to it.

• 28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but I get that. But what I'm saying to you is, this isn't Bernie against Trump. For me, what this is.

• 29:00Adam Sosnick?

  It's what they represent.

• 29:01Patrick Bet-David?

  For me, it's Trump against the AI companies.

• 29:05Adam Sosnick?

  That's what it is?

• 29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  It is. It is. Because you have to, you know, you have to, okay. So think about guys that have their money in AI companies. Just speculate here, Tom. Imagine if you had $1 million in Anthropic. And you put $1 million, you put $10 million in Anthropic. Okay, if you right now type in, if I put $10 million in Anthropic, watch this, just so you know. If I put $10 million in Anthropic five years ago, if I put $10 million in Nvidia five years ago, what are they worth today? Let's just kind of see. $10 million in Anthropic, these are not business guys. Meaning, they're investors. They're just kind of putting the money in there, right?

• 29:50Patrick Bet-David?

  If you had put $10 million in Anthropic five years ago, or if you had put $10 million in Nvidia five years ago, today they would be worth, when you see the numbers, you'll realize why this is such a big thing. It's a, it's still doing the math to find out what it is.

• 30:05Tom Ellsworth?

  What do you think it is? What kind of growth? We're talking 10x? We're talking more?

• 30:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Anthropic, $10 million today would be worth $587 million. Okay, no, hang on a second. No, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You ready? No, no. If you put $10 million in Anthropic five years ago, today would be worth $16.45 billion.

• 30:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Jeez. It's a good rate of return.

• 30:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you hear what I just said? Let me say this to you one more time. Can you show that? If you would have put $10 billion in Anthropic, it's worth $15.49 billion.

• 30:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Wow.

• 30:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see that number? So imagine if you're a regular guy. By the way, if you would have put $1 million, guess what it's worth? $1.5 billion. If you would have put $100,000, guess what it's worth? $150 million, $150 million, just five years.

• 30:56Patrick Bet-David?

  These are ridiculous.

• 30:57Adam Sosnick?

  I wish we got an early P P D.

• 30:58Patrick Bet-David?

  No, what I'm trying to tell you is if investors are sitting there, they're like, dude.

• 31:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Keep going.

• 31:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll keep going. Don't slow down.

• 31:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Stop.

• 31:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So I'm not really listening to investors.

• 31:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Good point.

• 31:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm not, and I'm listening to the operators that are on the inside saying this is what I'm definitely not listening to the fear porn of what Bernie's gonna say.

• 31:16Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 31:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You best believe data centers and AI will be a marketing camp election topic in 2028. 100, you're gonna get fear porn coming at you in ways you've never, they're gonna scare the crap out of average people who are not following this very closely. Yet at the same time, Adam, I do think there needs to be a listening to what these AI companies are doing on the inside. All I would do is the following, like, like, think about what integrity bought us. Say we have $10 billion and we're an aggregator. We go buy companies. If you buy 20% into the company, Tom, would you really install an executive in that company if you're only buying 20% of the company?

• 32:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And the companies were $200 million? Would we, Tom? If we buy a $200 million company and we're buying only 20% of it, would you, would you put it, would you install an executive in there to tell you what's going on?

• 32:11Tom Ellsworth?

  At the venture stage, early on?

• 32:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 32:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Absolutely. Cause 20, that would still probably be a series A, series B. We would get one man on the board.

• 32:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, one man on the board, but I'm talking inside working at the home.

• 32:24Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no. Embed some people doing things.

• 32:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So check this out, but now watch how the question changes when I ask Tom this. What happens if we bought 100% of that 200 million auto company? What's the likelihood you and I are installing an executive in the company?

• 32:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, we are at the very minimum going to install or control the CFO and probably would definitely install or control head of revenue because we want to protect the revenue and protect the book. So it's gonna be our first, that's day one, Pat. But we would probably then put our own CEO in once we secure.

• 32:56Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but just to simplify, Tom, to the average person, we're probably gonna put a couple of people in there to see what's going on with the investment.

• 33:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Minimum of three.

• 33:02Adam Sosnick?

  You own 100% of the company, of course, right?

• 33:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but, but what I'm saying is now imagine you're dealing with a company that's worth a couple of trillion dollars. Who has impacted to the US economy at 32, 33 trillion dollar company? And the CEO is offering to say, hey, can you guys come in and also see this outside of just us? The C, so that's the part where you have to kind of see where there's two things that happen. Overregulation, some will call that regulation, and some are gonna say, hey, that's sensible. You know, monitoring of what's going on with this company in case it goes. That's gonna be the argument. And Tom, where are you gonna be at this, with this argument? Are you gonna be somebody that's gonna say, hey, let's kind of watch it? Are you gonna say, leave it alone? Let free enterprise do its thing?

• 33:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, what, here's what I don't want. I don't want regulatory capture by these two. I, I do not want.

• 33:50Adam Sosnick?

  Which two?

• 33:51Tom Ellsworth?

  By OpenAI and, uh, you know, Anthropic. I don't want regulatory capture.

• 33:56Adam Sosnick?

  But, but just to be clear, why do you say those two? Cause there's more, there's also.

• 34:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Those are the frontier model. No, no, those are the frontier models.

• 34:03Adam Sosnick?

  Those are the big two?

• 34:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 34:05Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 34:05Tom Ellsworth?

  So picture Coke and Pepsi. Hey, Pat, what's going on, Tom? Pat's Coke, I'm Pepsi. Look, I got an idea. You and I need to use a specific type of sugar. And then let's lock that out as the definition of the only sugar the, the FDA will approve in soda. Well, wait a minute. 7-Up, Dr. Pepper, Royal Crown Cola, they'll all be kind of pushed to the, oh, wait a minute. Yeah. What were you about to say? Hey, I like this idea. So that, that's regulatory capture. And so I, I don't want regulatory capture where the two giants say, oh, this is gonna happen. We're gonna slow down.

• 34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Tom Ellsworth?

  And they do it so that they get to help write the rules. And that's not what I, that's not what I want. And I don't, but I don't want Bernie to jump in and then write the rules from a, from a regulatory restrictive.

• 34:58Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 34:58Tom Ellsworth?

  And so I look at it this way. Look, if Pat and I, do you remember the early days of EVs? Do you remember how many batteries caught fire?

• 35:08Adam Sosnick?

  Lot. They're still doing it.

• 35:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Right.

• 35:11Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Tom Ellsworth?

  But not, not like they used to.

• 35:12Patrick Bet-David?

  EVs, electric vehicles, EVs.

• 35:14Tom Ellsworth?

  So the, the EV, do you have any idea how much power is in an EV battery? The, remember the TV ads for the Ford F-150 Lightning?

• 35:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 35:22Tom Ellsworth?

  And you could plug it into your house and run your house on safe, safe AC for up to six hours. That's how much power is in the damn EV batteries. Your truck could have powered your house for emergency AC in Phoenix for six hours.

• 35:37Adam Sosnick?

  A lot.

• 35:37Tom Ellsworth?

  So guess what? Those batteries were.

• 35:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, this is different. I think this is slightly different. And I'll tell you what, what I think is slightly different. It, it, on the positive side, okay? You know how, you ever hear that line? You go to a meeting and they say, imagine if you had a business that was working 24/7 making money for you, right? Oh my God, guess what? Shopify does that. You know, nowadays, like if you ran a storefront 20 years ago, pre-internet, you, you had to be open from what time to what time? Say 8:00 AM to 10:00 PM and people would buy. But after that, nobody's buying products from you. Now the internet came out, what would they say? You're selling, by the way, people buy shoes at 12:01.

• 36:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 36:14Patrick Bet-David?

  2 o'clock in the morning, 1 o'clock in the morning, all over the world, 111 countries, people buy FL, uh, uh, merch, right? Pre Shopify, pre-online shopping that didn't exist. Tom, the, the part that people are a little bit shaken up by this, the, the hugging face. 1,200 agents create a private chat, communicate with each other, 70,000 messages. One of them does 17,500 actions in four and a half days. The, these are things that you lose control of the innovation. If it's controlled by man, great. But if all of a sudden the negative things happen there, you have to be a little bit careful what could happen there.

• 36:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I think there needs to be like, just like there's compliance internally within a company, like for instance, you know, for us. And this, this is coming from us being in the financial industry. Do you think it was helpful? That there was certain compliance regulatory issues in the stock market post 1929 versus pre? Like, you know what, uh, you, you know, who is Joe Kennedy, right? He's the reason why they created insider trading. He's the reason why they created what they did. Cause Joseph Kennedy is one of the reasons why 1929 crashed, right? Do you think the SEC coming out, creating some regulation was a good thing, Tom? Do you think serious sevens was a good thing? Do you think watching over some of that was a good thing?

• 37:31Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, as long as it's not overregulation, I agree. You need to have rules of the road for sure.

• 37:35Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I agree with that, but let me, let me explain.

• 37:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom's gonna say.

• 37:39Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree with that, but let's, what I'm saying about regulatory capture is I don't want the refs secretly wearing an anthropic jersey. And if a tropic gets to write the, this is what regulatory capture is, if you've never heard about it. Regulatory capture is where the people in the industry that's being regulated are really secretly writing the rules. So the refs.

• 37:59Patrick Bet-David?

  100%.

• 37:59Tom Ellsworth?

  The refs are wearing the wrong jersey.

• 38:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Things, Tom. No, no, these are two different things.

• 38:03Tom Ellsworth?

  But that, hey.

• 38:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, that's not, that's not what I'm talking about.

• 38:05Tom Ellsworth?

  I think they're interrelated. And then on the other side, you do have to have the controls. But you, you've, you've, you've had controls of industries dating back to asbestos. And I understand what the concern is here, but I, I want to see the research paper because I want people to see and understand how hackers have already created, you know, bots and things that work like this when all the bot swarms attack X or bot swarms.

• 38:29Patrick Bet-David?

  That's different. That's different. That's messaging. By the way, that's manipulation. And you're right, that's manipulation.

• 38:34Tom Ellsworth?

  But the speed and the number of instances that are happening, people need to understand.

• 38:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, when you, when, when the average person goes, I mean, this is, this, can, can you guys do me a favor? Do this one more time? And ask this question on Claude and ask this question on chat GPT. What are the chances of what super intelligence is gonna do within 10 years? Can you ask that same question we asked last week on both Claude and ask the question on chat?

• 39:01Adam Sosnick?

  They're doing something negative? Okay.

• 39:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So if, if, and this is AI is giving you this answer. This is not a human being that's giving you this answer, right? If you're not logged in, don't worry about it. Just go do chat GPT next time. Let you stay logged in. If AI is telling us, there is a, go a little bit lower because it shows the probability. AI reaches something reasonable called AGI by 2036, 60 to 80%. AI reaches genuine super intelligence, you know, lost control of actual produces human extinction. I mean, it, it itself probability of AI extinction by 2036.

• 39:35Adam Sosnick?

  5%.

• 39:36Patrick Bet-David?

  If it's 5%, you still have to pay attention to it. To me, at 5%, you have to have the right measures.

• 39:43Tom Ellsworth?

  But now it's what, right? You have to ask your question. What? AI running what it's doing right now is not what? This is AI and robots, things. I keep talking about things. The internet of things and the internet of autonomous things. If you have an autonomous robot that is self-powered and programmed, then you can have extinction. Cause now these robots are gonna do bad things to, to air breathing mammals. What I, I look at is right now, it's the, right now it's interference. What it interferes with is systems and internet, things that we depend on. Water, you know, power, all of these things like this. In the future, it, talking about human extinction, what's gonna extinct to human if, if he gets control of it and shuts off a water plant?

• 40:27Tom Ellsworth?

  We're gonna go figure it out, shut everything down, turn the plant back on.

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• 42:42Speaker 10

  But my thing is...

• 42:43Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's the thing... I don't think you're paranoid enough. No, no, no, hang on. I think, I think, I think, I think the whole concept of only the pair... Tom, just so you know, financially, I benefit from this thing going financially. I'm in it. I'm in Anthropic. I'm in Nvidia. I'm in, I get access to these things that they contact me. I'm in these opportunities. Okay? They call, they call people like us and you say, hey, how much money should we put into this? I think you just put $100,000. Put a half a million dollars, put a million dollars. I'm good with this going. However, to allow it to think for itself nonstop and create and get into systems and hack, people need six to eight hours of sleep. You can't compete with a system that doesn't sleep at night and it can replicate itself

• 43:27Patrick Bet-David?

  into the hundreds of thousands of people. And it's getting...

• 43:29Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm on that. Let me ask you, I'm gonna answer your question directly. See, I'm not paranoid enough. I, I, think back into my answers here. What am I asking for? I'm asking for a deeper understanding of hugging face and what actually happened there. Number one. Number two, I'm watching those two guys to see what they're doing because they're, I'm not 100% with David Sacks, but I'm with David Sacks' questions. Wait a minute, you could be doing it yourself. You don't need permission. You don't need permission. I'm with them there. I'm with Bill Gurley saying, you know, there are laws out there that are already here that could absolutely crush you and make it impossible for you to have an IPO, by the way. If it's deemed too poisonous, Pat, there is no IPO for Anthropic. Guess what?

• 44:11Tom Ellsworth?

  There is no return for the hundreds of millions and then billions that were put in by investor tranches. So I want to see it and do I want, you know, full recursive autonomous things running out there? No, that would be bad. But am I, am I non-paranoid? No, but I want data. And I also don't...

• 44:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I got, Tom, I'm getting you. I get what you're saying, Tom. I'm tracking. I'm tracking all...

• 44:34Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm gonna make one more short point, and I'm also not convinced that Coxon is not a plant and a manipulated story.

• 44:42Speaker 10

  I understand, the guy, the Jacob guy.

• 44:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, do you, do you know my level of credibility of that being manipulated a week ago? Where was that?

• 44:51Speaker 10

  90?

• 44:53Patrick Bet-David?

  80, 90%. You know where it's at today?

• 44:55Speaker 10

  50?

• 44:56Patrick Bet-David?

  30%. You know why? Why do you think it is? Why do you think it is, Tom? What, what do you think changed my mind?

• 45:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Because the two leaders came out and said things.

• 45:06Patrick Bet-David?

  The guy that runs the company is telling you the hugging face was weird, so you ought to listen to him at least. I'm not telling you, you know...

• 45:12Tom Ellsworth?

  I am listening. I'm asking for the data.

• 45:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, you and I both, I wanted as well. But what I'm saying is if that guy's coming out, what is, what is Dario's net worth? Can you guys type in what is Dario's net worth? What is Dario's net worth? Dario's net worth?

• 45:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Impplied, to implied net worth.

• 45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Just type in net worth, I mean implied, yeah, net worth. Okay?

• 45:30Speaker 10

  Eventually.

• 45:31Patrick Bet-David?

  What is Dario's net worth? I mean, in stuff like this, we can just ask Google. It'll be a lot faster there.

• 45:36Speaker 10

  Eight to 15 billion dollars.

• 45:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Billion dollar guy. You know, you know what you're doing at 15 billion dollars? You go to a restaurant, service isn't good, you buy the restaurant.

• 45:45Speaker 10

  Buy the restaurant.

• 45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  He has weird kind of money. So to me, when, when he says it and Elon says it and others are saying it...

• 45:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Sam Altman too, they were all in agreement.

• 45:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Sam Altman also said, if Trump and Xi come together and find a way to make this work, they could get the Nobel Peace Prize. Now, having said that, the part where for me, I'm 100% with Tom, my opinion with this would change based on one factor, and I want to move on to the next story, because I'm sure the audience is over AI and trust me, we'll go to the next story, is my decision-making on this changes based on one factor. Do I believe China's gonna shut it down and not want to develop superintelligence? I don't believe they are. I think China's gonna program their superintelligence and in their system, they're gonna say, who's the enemy?

• 46:34Speaker 10

  Us.

• 46:34Patrick Bet-David?

  US is the enemy. Capitalism's the enemy. And in China's superintelligence that's being created with that level of thinking, with America being the enemy, is gonna target who?

• 46:44Speaker 10

  Us.

• 46:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Is gonna target us. And so, so the war of superintelligence is coming in the next five, 10, 15, 20 years, and it's gonna be nasty and there is possibilities of horrible things taking place. But meaning, to say timeout to the entire world, I don't think that'll happen.

• 47:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep, you know who agrees with you though, right? Dario Emori, the CEO of Anthropic, came out and said...

• 47:04Patrick Bet-David?

  He said that in his paper.

• 47:05Tom Ellsworth?

  He said, he said, um, I'm hawkish on China. I'm skeptical of China.

• 47:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 47:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Everything I do is basically concerning what China will do. At the same time, he also recognizes that you need to work with them because if the whole world goes down, China's going down.

• 47:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You do have to work with them.

• 47:20Speaker 10

  All I need is 30...

• 47:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you trust their motive?

• 47:22Speaker 10

  No, not at all. And all I need is 30 seconds. You nailed it. You kind of, we kind of just brushed over it. Obama already came out, they're gonna use the AI thing as a talking point, not for the 2028, for the midterms, and that's gonna be their new climate change thing. But I, like, remember, who was the gentleman that we had here the other day?

• 47:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Tusi.

• 47:38Speaker 10

  Tusi was saying, you know, when people had cars and planes, it was like, oh my God, what is this? This is not fear porn. This is real concerns with the hugging face. You put up guardrails, AI proved that it can bypass and go around your guardrails. So who's to stop that? You could put as much as you want, Pat. This thing is designed to think a million times faster than all of us and it keeps getting smarter. Whatever guardrail you put, it can find out how to go wrong.

• 48:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this here. Here, here's a simple thing to be thinking about.

• 48:07Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 48:08Patrick Bet-David?

  How many, what is your total followership you can have in the world?

• 48:12Speaker 10

  8.5 billion.

• 48:13Tom Ellsworth?

  8. something billion.

• 48:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you.

• 48:15Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 48:15Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the followership an AI agent can have in the world?

• 48:20Patrick Bet-David?

  How many agents can superintelligence create to be working 24/7? What's the limit?

• 48:26Tom Ellsworth?

  It could keep going.

• 48:27Patrick Bet-David?

  How does eight and a half billion compete with infinite?

• 48:29Tom Ellsworth?

  You can't.

• 48:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't. And that's a real thing. That's all I'm saying, guys.

• 48:34Speaker 10

  That's scary.

• 48:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you know, if you're going against China, guess how many military they're gonna have? You have to take the right age, 18 to 35, which is gonna be the fighting and, and then you have to take the amount of ships and you have to take the amount of weapons and you have to take the amount of nuclear weapons, you have to take the amount of planes, you have to take the amount of jets. It's still limited.

• 48:51Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 48:52Patrick Bet-David?

  There is no limit with AI agents.

• 48:54Speaker 10

  And that should be concerning.

• 48:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And all I'm saying is, you have to look at this in a very different way. Because, how many babies can you have in a, how many babies can, how many babies can a man have?

• 49:07Patrick Bet-David?

  How many babies can a man have?

• 49:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Genghis Khan.

• 49:09Patrick Bet-David?

  How many, how many did he have?

• 49:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Literally, 25% of the world is DNA to him. He had thousands, I think.

• 49:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, but how many, how many babies can, so as much of Genghis Khan, how long does he have to wait for every baby to be born?

• 49:20Speaker 10

  Nine months.

• 49:20Patrick Bet-David?

  40 weeks. How many babies can an AI agent have? How many babies can, and how long does he have? How long does he have to wait?

• 49:28Speaker 10

  Doesn't have to.

• 49:28Patrick Bet-David?

  How long does that AI have to wait?

• 49:29Speaker 10

  It doesn't have to wait.

• 49:30Patrick Bet-David?

  One second. Go compete with somebody that can make unlimited amount of babies by the second. Yeah, good luck to you.

• 49:37Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 49:37Patrick Bet-David?

  See what happens with that. Right? See what happens with that. So this is a very different way of looking at it. I just think that also, what this brings it to, which the, the part, you know, that, that I applaud Tom is the following. Do you know every human being that I look at? You know how I judge a lot of my guys? When I would work at, work with some of my guys? How many of them were, not the word receptive, what is the word that you are?

• 50:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Coachable?

• 50:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, that you can get a virus. What's that word? That you are, it's, it sounds like receptive, but it's a different word.

• 50:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Susceptible?

• 50:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Susceptible, susceptible, right? How susceptible some people are to fear porn?

• 50:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh.

• 50:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I look at my guys, I look at all of you guys, just so you know, I look at my kids, I look at my sales guys, I look at my BDC guys, I look at my executive guys. And I say, how susceptible is that guy to fear porn? How quickly does it go? Zero to the end of the world?

• 50:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh.

• 50:30Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a big percentage of people, right? Tom's not going there. Tom's going to, let me tell you what's happened in history here, here to look at this, right? I try to, as much as I can, try to stay in the reasonable side to see and listen to both sides. Because you don't want to be part of the camp, oh, let me tell you, Charlie Kirk, let me tell you, Lindsay Clancy, let me tell you, you know, like, oh, here's who's behind it. This is what they're doing. Okay, got it. You're part of the susceptible community. You're a problem because you create what? You create chaos for others. This is an area where, where the risk factor on this could be very high. You have to pay attention. I think the right parties need to get involved.

• 51:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I think there needs to be a meeting of all minds at the White House with the president, with the right brains, with the right minds, and sitting there saying, what do you think we need to be doing? I think that needs to be happening. So we'll see if it'll happen or not.

• 51:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me get to the next story. Next story. As if people are not already tired of hearing about a woman being innocent for killing her three kids, that 18 minutes during that time, she lost her mind and she goes and kills her eight-month-old, I think three-year-old and five-year-old, and then tries to jump out and a husband comes in and he goes upstairs and see what's going on. And if you hear the recording, you were telling me, finally I had a chance to read it and listen to it, read it. It's disturbing. Then you mean to tell me the media now doxes the holdout juror from Lindsay Clancy? What do you mean you're gonna dox him? Yeah, they try to dox him. So, so to reveal information about him to the public? Yes. Well, what did they say about this guy?

• 52:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, wait till you hear what they said about this guy, okay? They said this guy has a holdout during Lindsay Clancy's trial faced domestic violence allegation against his wife, but charge was dismissed and he had some issues with his nephew. Oh, really? Yeah. This is a terrible human being, terrible human being. And you guys want to listen to him? He has no credibility when they try to dox this guy. No credibility for what he did. But Lindsay Clancy killed her three kids. Yeah. She went through trauma. You don't know what she was going through. But not the man, not the man. This is where contradictions and hypocrisy comes out and everybody starts, and by the way,

• 52:57Patrick Bet-David?

  they're like, the, the, the one reporter is like, he was a black man? Yes, he was a black man. Why would a black man ever defend three kids over a woman, the mother that killed her three?

• 53:08Patrick Bet-David?

  The contradictions galore are now at the highest level. Vinny, when you saw the story of them doxing the juror, how'd you react?

• 53:16Speaker 10

  I was, I was furious because, and again, it's all the news. It's everybody to try to make it seem like this got, Pat, I'm telling you right now, I don't care if he shoplifted. I don't care if he, why do you all allege? And by the way, what did he say about the case? That it didn't make it in court, they threw it out. I don't care about any of that. When it came to the facts of the case, he was the only one that had the freaking soul to say, you know what? I'm sorry. All the other stuff aside, the drugs, the pills, whatever, the psychiatrist, a psychologist, she killed them all and he got it. And mind you, this isn't, this isn't liberal Boston. This is in Massachusetts, Tom. Everybody thinks like that. And for the judge, even the judge to come out and publicly look at you and say, hey, listen,

• 54:02Speaker 10

  follow the rules that I'm saying, which is basically the judge getting involved and saying, you guys should all think all alike. Do what I'm saying and I'm telling you guys to let her walk. Because my, my question is this too, and I'm going to come back to, to what, Connor, I slacked you a, a video of this main juror, whoever they're bringing out as like their talking point, uh, holdout, what's her name? Uh, I don't know what her name is, Pat, but she said that this is a turning point for, for, to make life better for women. Listen, buddy, they keep dragging this lady out. Listen to what she says. Go ahead.

• 54:35Speaker 13

  We knew that this was a turning point and this would be something that could change something, to make it better for other women in the future, for other families. You know, justice for those children is this never happening again.

• 54:54Speaker 10

  Oh, so just to let you know, this case, this case is just so other women, you can kill your kids and there's a chance that you're going to walk because of one guy, guys, because of one guy, they're going to retry it. Okay? I don't know if it's happening in the same place or not. Are they doing it in?

• 55:11Tom Ellsworth?

  What's, is it, what's the official announcement?

• 55:13Speaker 10

  Yeah, I don't know. If you guys could look that up, Connor, is this, is the, because it's a mistrial, correct, Tom?

• 55:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I thought we were waiting for judicial review.

• 55:22Speaker 10

  Judicial review and to find out if they're going to do it again, they have to get a whole brand new jury. Where's it going to be taking place? I think they have to go out of state because it's not like you're going to get another fair shot because of this one guy. So, and back to the story, I can care less what you guys are alleging that he's done. Everybody has a past, okay? But it's this case, it's this case. And how many psychiatrists and psychologists have to say, this is the rarest thing we've ever seen? It's highly unlikely that for the time that she was killing them and strangling them, she heard a voice in her head and then she never heard it again. And then she tried to kill herself. And it's really funny that all these women lately, and then there's a bunch of cases that are happening. They are so good at murder when it comes to their children. They are great, but when it comes to doing it to themselves, they suck. They suck at it and it's on purpose.

• 56:07Speaker 10

  They'd be like, look at me, I'm a, I'm a victim, at least I tried to do it. Shame on them, Pat, shame on them. I'm so proud of this guy. This guy deserves a freaking medal.

• 56:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, I, I think so. I think this guy should change his last name to Manchin and just make it official.

• 56:20Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 56:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Right?

• 56:21Speaker 10

  Yeah, you're right.

• 56:22Tom Ellsworth?

  If you know what I'm saying.

• 56:23Speaker 10

  Joe Manchin, shout out.

• 56:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Exactly, exactly. Look, that juror does not sound like a deliberating juror. That juror sounds like judiciary? Nope. Sounds like legislative. She's saying, change the word from decision to legislation. We knew this legislation would represent great change for the future of, of women. You see it?

• 56:46Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 56:47Tom Ellsworth?

  They went in there thinking they're creating precedent and legislation. They thought that they were taking the feelings of their position and using the outcome of the change. The difference between them and Carrie Bess, who said that on the, on the documentaries for the OJ case, A, this was payback for Rodney King. That sounds like you're talking about legislation. This legislation is payback for the tax cuts that benefited the rich. That's what it sounds like to me. And I'm not trying to be Sheryl here, I'm going to pull it back a little bit. That's what I hear. And when I, I went and I watched the Oprah interview, I watched as I could, all dressed in white and all their pearls and everything. And when, did you notice how they got kind of stuck at one point when they said, and he was black?

• 57:30Tom Ellsworth?

  That all of a sudden you could hear the screeching brakes inside their heads? Wait a minute, the narrative, the narrative, for the love of God, save the narrative.

• 57:37Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 57:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Is what they did. And so I'm disgusted by it. Those jurors went off and this is where you've got a jury out of control, that the juries are, thinks that they're there to create political activism in their decision. Jurors do that. I'm going to be a political activist, I'm going to go get my book deal, this is what I'm going to do. And they know they're on a high profile case and I look into their eyes and I look at this and that's my, that's the feeling I get.

• 58:02Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 58:03Adam Sosnick?

  Well, they just sound like sore losers. Uh, have you ever been to jury duty, any of you guys?

• 58:07Speaker 10

  Of course.

• 58:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 58:08Adam Sosnick?

  So for me, I've been to jury duty, you've been to jury duty? Listen, as much as it's sort of annoying, you got to take weeks or months out of your life, it's your civic duty. It's part of America. Thank God we have a judicial system where actually you can get a fair trial. This lady, Lindsay Clancy, whether you like her or dislike her, she received a fair trial. And when it comes to jury duty, it's a three step process because I went through this. Number one, you get summoned, you know, you get a letter in the mail and all, you know, dozens of people show up. You're sitting in a, in a pool and then you get into a little room and the, here's, here's the, the crux of the issue. Both lawyers questioned the potential jurors for fairness and potential bias. What do you think of this? What do you think of this?

• 58:51Adam Sosnick?

  It's like an NBA draft, you're like, I'll take this guy, I'll take that guy and I'll get that guy out of here. And then finally they build their final jury. They said, these are the final 12 people. Great. So stop crying over spilled milk. You selected this guy. You had the opportunity to say, no, we don't want this guy, we want this person. So the lawyers have the opportunity to remove these jurors. They did not remove him and the chips fall where they may. And now a lot of people giving this guy massive respect, you know? He just had the hardest time getting over the fact that she viciously murdered her three kids. What's wrong with it?

• 59:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump's being asked about whether he would pardon her or not. Here's what he had to say.

• 59:29Speaker 14

  Lindsay Clancy's attorney last week asked you to pardon her. Is that under consideration? Well, I know, it's a very sad situation. I, I certainly heard that, uh, but it's, uh, look, it's a very sad, there is no winner there. There's no, there's no win, no matter what you do. It's, uh, three children are dead, so I don't know. But, uh, it's actually a state situation, you know, not a federal. He's asking you to call the prosecutor in the state. Would you do that? I appreciate that it goes that way, but, and he's a good attorney. I've heard from other people, he's a very good attorney.

• 1:00:05Speaker 14

  I hope they can work it out. That's something they have to work out. It's a very sad, there is no win there.

• 1:00:11Adam Sosnick?

  Right. And then he said she's either going to end up in jail or a mental asylum, so it's election year.

• 1:00:15Speaker 10

  Yeah, and, but here's my, here's my.

• 1:00:17Adam Sosnick?

  When is the last time, maybe ask you an honest question? And I, and I know the president may be listening. Mr. President, you know, um, I know you're being very careful there and I know you, it's a state thing and that's true. But I think there's a lot of people that are waiting for you to say, no, I don't think I would pardon her and I'm going to let justice play out with whatever they decide for the new trial. But I, I think you having a clear voice on this one, there's a lot of people in America like me that are waiting to hear that because we see the lunacy on one side. Did you hear what DeSantis offered? He offered the juror potential asylum in Florida. Meaning why would you offer someone asylum? He's a citizen, a resident of Massachusetts.

• 1:00:59Adam Sosnick?

  You only offer someone asylum, political asylum, if you actually think that somebody's going to try to do something to this guy. What are the chances that a radical leftist will try to do something out of the ordinary to a guy who basically was upholding the law? What are the chances that a crazy leftist would do something like that? These days, very high. That's why potentially he might have asylum.

• 1:01:18Tom Ellsworth?

  But my, you mean like a CEO walking down the street because his company denied your grandmother coverage?

• 1:01:24Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, or, or innocent guy speaking in front of a college.

• 1:01:26Speaker 10

  I want to ask you, Pat, would you, well, any of you, would you feel comfortable if she was found not guilty because she lacked criminal responsibility? And then they put her somewhere where she had a legal path to be released to the public again? Because that's the goal of what they're talking about is that this was just for this moment and she was crazy for this moment. Now the kids are all freaking dead, so now she doesn't need all the medication, all the craziness because it's done. Are you comfortable with that? Are you, are, is anybody out there comfortable with her at some point walking free amongst the public? That's the question.

• 1:01:58Adam Sosnick?

  Why are you yelling at us?

• 1:01:58Speaker 10

  Because it pisses me off. Because the goal is they want her walking in public. Are you crazy? And you make, you made a good point too. With kids around and whatever, who makes it seem that she doesn't see another kid and goes, you know what? I gotta, I gotta kill that kid too because I'm crazy and I heard a voice in my head. That doesn't sit right with me.

• 1:02:13Adam Sosnick?

  Nobody here is defending her.

• 1:02:15Speaker 10

  No, no, no, not, not defending you because what's the main goal of, if she was found not guilty, there's a legal pathway, Adam, for her to come back out and be around us. Let's hope around people.

• 1:02:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, for me, for me, the fact that there is even this big percentage of the population trying to defend her, to let her off loose, to all of you, go watch the movie Primal Fear today. Make Primal Fear the number one movie on Apple. Sit there and watch it with others. Primal Fear, Edward Norton, Richard Gere, you will see what the hell is going on here right now. For 18 minutes, you lost it? Let me, you know, you know how many men would love to use the same example and say, babe, for two minutes?

• 1:02:56Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I was, uh, I was captured for two minutes. Why was naked, we had no clothes? Babe, I'm telling you, like it's, it's midlife crisis that happens to men. Like, can you imagine like how many, wait, wait, what, but why does it keep happening to you? Why, why does it keep, babe, like at least once a week, I lose it for two minutes and I lose what's going on. You know what, you have to understand what it is to be a man. You know, you have to understand what it is, no, stop it.

• 1:03:23Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I'd like that kind of. I'd like that because I would, I would be in here, you know what? Tom. I'd like that. Ladies and gentlemen, Tom, your wife is listening. No, no, no, not my wife. It's like, guys. No, we know not your wife. I was on a tour of the Capitol. I walked into Congress where they were debating. I don't remember the next 18 minutes. It was such a crazy day.

• 1:03:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I was wild. Well, you went to a whole different place, but all we're talking about, maybe you didn't get what I was saying, but.

• 1:03:47Tom Ellsworth?

  We got it.

• 1:03:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let's go to the next story.

• 1:03:49Tom Ellsworth?

  You know where I went.

• 1:03:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, that's a little concerning, but let's come back.

• 1:03:53Tom Ellsworth?

  The whole audience knows where you went, Tom. I'd be doing American voters a favor.

• 1:03:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but let's come back, Tom. Tom is joking, folks. It's what I tell you. Tom has got a deep inside gangster. You know, he's got some Mongols or Hells Angels. I don't know what it was.

• 1:04:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Gangsta con DNA.

• 1:04:09Patrick Bet-David?

  He lived in these areas, so maybe they had a little influence over him. Uh, let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is what happened with the Houthis, okay? So it's kind of a weird story on what they're doing. They, they are not slowing down, okay? And what happened? Most, if you can pull up the map, so we know what section it is. Tom, send the map if you want to just pull up what he sent to everybody. So let me read the story to you. Houthis seize a key Red Sea island threatening another global oil route. The Iranian-backed Houthis militia seized Piram Island and Bab al Mandab Strait after days of fierce fighting.

• 1:04:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yemeni government officials said Friday, given Iran and its allies sway over the two main routes for shipping oil out of the Middle East. The capture came as Saudi Arabia announced it had shut down a critical oil pipeline after a drone attack launched from Iraq and a day after Houthis forces swept into the port city of Mocha. Iran has already largely cut off oil through the Strait of Hormuz. Now it, uh, now its ally holds a foothold at the Red Sea bottleneck. Satellite images showed a plumb, uh, black smoke, uh, more than 60 miles long near, uh, the pipeline. Ahmed and Nagy of the international crisis group called the takeover a game changer. In the past, they were creating uncertainty, but now they're controlling everything around Bab al Mandab.

• 1:05:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Crown Prince Mohammed MBS urged President Trump and called this week to take military action. Trump declined but pledged intelligence and targeting support. The 2022 truce let the Houthis rebuild. They created new weapons, say Kathem, who, uh, house, uh, Faria al Moslemi. They made a much more brutal and efficient version of the state. Let me put it to you this way on what's happened. See that map right there? That's the island. They took over Mocha, the historic port city. They took over Duba, overlooking the strait. They took over Mayan Perum. They took over Zakur. And as of today, AP reports show now they've seized the greater and lesser of Hanish Island as well.

• 1:06:12Patrick Bet-David?

  This is, this right there on the bottom. Tom, if you want to kind of go through this to the average person, when we think about the Strait of Hormuz, that's the top. What we're talking about right now is more the bottom, the Jabuti, which about 12% of business goes through there. Tom, why is this so important?

• 1:06:27Tom Ellsworth?

  This is important because if you were to draw a line straight across Saudi Arabia, see Jeddah there to UAE? Just draw a line straight across. The Saudis built a pipeline. So they could have ships over there and the ships can go north to Cairo and they go through the Suez Canal, which goes to Mediterranean and they could take oil to Europe. They also would go south through the Yemeni pinch, which is right there. And all the islands Pat's talking about is right where those two pieces of land come together. Right near Sheikh Dibouchi and, um. Jabuti? Trying to get to you. Jabuti. And Yemen. Have a little respect for that booty, Tom.

• 1:07:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep going.

• 1:07:05Tom Ellsworth?

  So now, watch what happens. So A, Saudi pipeline goes all the way across. They go in the ships and they go to Cairo north. But they also need to get to India and Indonesia and to China and other places. So Saudi built the pipeline that could go south of that.

• 1:07:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This was their insurance policy.

• 1:07:22Tom Ellsworth?

  This was the insurance policy.

• 1:07:23Patrick Bet-David?

  They knew this was coming and so they built this in case Iran went nuts, which they have.

• 1:07:28Tom Ellsworth?

  And now, guess what? Now the Houthis are controlling all of the stuff in Yemen there and they are not good people. Uh, everybody that lives on each side of that over there are, are, are not good people at all. And so now we have two areas that are pinched. And on top of it, if I make one comment, um, but we won't go there, we'll just make the comment. Now you can see why Trump over the weekend said to Zelensky, I understand you're pounding Russian positions, but go easy on the diesel manufacturing. Because he's thinking about two things, world price of diesel and European access to diesel that, of those who do get it from Russia.

• 1:08:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Add it up, it's a problem.

• 1:08:12Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, 12% of global trade, but this, this is kind of where I'm at, Tom. And I, I think this may be unpopular, but I'm kind of with MBS is where I'm at. You, you mean, so wouldn't you say this is a form of Iran expanding? Expanding themselves. Houthis?

• 1:08:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Absolutely.

• 1:08:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Funded by Iran, they're expanding themselves. Guess what? Can I ask what the hesitation is with us taking over Carg Island? What is the hesitation with us taking over Carg Island?

• 1:08:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, well, the timing of it was limited because the ships that we tracked, remember we were tracking ships?

• 1:08:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:08:49Tom Ellsworth?

  USS Boxer, we were tracking minesweepers and amphibious assault ships. And they ran into serious technical issues after they came over. And I, I'm wondering, where is the invisible hand holding us? Because I'm, shocking me to say, on this point, I agree with MBS. As soon as you go after Carg Island, one of two things. If you destroy it, Pat, you create a worldwide problem because that's where they, they fuel the ships. But if you take Carg Island and then they still hold the Strait of Hormuz, they're like, okay. All right, President Ellsworth, you got the island, but you ain't bringing that oil past here.

• 1:09:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And so it's like a, it's like a standoff, but I don't know why they wouldn't just take. We or the coalition would not at this point take Carg Island.

• 1:09:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what it's like to me at this point? Okay. You know, you're there already. I, I made this publicly, I said this on Mario on the fall when he had me, I said, I wouldn't have taken out, uh, uh, Khamenei. I said that publicly. I wouldn't have killed him. But guess what? Now you have. If you have, you sent all our best ships there. We're there. Iran keeps punking Strait of Hormuz. You keep saying we have control over it. Obviously, we don't. And now their Houthis is expanding publicly in your face. Going to places and hurting good partners. You know what just happened right now with Canada? Mark Carney is going to EU because he wants to create a partnership now with EU. He's going out there and saying, let me, let me go do strike a deal with EU.

• 1:10:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And EU was like, let's entertain a conversation. We know EU was not necessarily 100% with Trump. We know that for a fact. And they probably can't even wait for Trump to be done with his term. Okay, so if you have these Gulf states that are now siding with you, they're asking you for help. Now we're not moving. We're getting it to intel. Iran is expanding with Houthis. You're already there. What are you hesitating on? By the way, you've already lost the PR race with Iran. So you, you, you're not going to get any better with the PR race. Meaning, if you, you've already heard with the PR race, you saying the war is going to end after midterms, nobody believes you. Nobody believes you, including your supporters don't believe you.

• 1:11:06Patrick Bet-David?

  80% of them don't believe you that the war is going to end after, at this point, after, uh, midterm. It's already taken a hit. You had to do a Republican National Convention where we have to talk about $5,000. If we win, you're bribing, that's going to be a trillion dollar added to the deficit, which people don't support. And they don't support you doing that because Democrats are going to be able to do $100,000 per vote. Terrible idea, double whammy. You're in it. You, you, you thought it was going to be easier. It's not. Even he said something the other day, which I actually love the fact that he said this. Trump said, where is the story about Trump saying, you know, sometimes you even, um, Trump on Iran war regrets. You can always question yourself a little bit. I don't know if you guys saw this clip or not. That's human.

• 1:11:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 1:11:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You can, yeah, that. Messed up. Yeah, you can always question yourself. We would have done, is this it? Can you play this clip? Can you play this clip, please?

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  2:25. Yeah, I mean, you'd be cruising. Well, you don't know that. Any, any regrets? No, I think, I think.

• 1:12:02Tom Ellsworth?

  No regrets.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Like, I don't believe in the word regret. Uh, you can always question yourself a little bit.

• 1:12:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Good. I like that. So guess what, Mr. President?

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  A few people have asked me that.

• 1:12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Guess what? Your reputation is not going to change right now with the non-interventionists that are furious with you.

• 1:12:21Patrick Bet-David?

  President Bush the other day said something last Wednesday, which he should watch. He said, "Sometimes the non-interventionist movement expands and it does well. And you forget that your partners that are doing business with you and buying from you, who are living in that area are being affected by those who are intervening and expanding like Iran is." So guess what? Let it rip. Oh, are you saying to go do the war? They're hitting you. What are you talking about at this point? Even when some of the conservatives, you know, who like to go to Qatar. And maybe some of you guys who are getting funded by Qatar, you know who you are. Qatar's not happy with what Iran is doing. Those are the guys that are giving you money. You know who you are.

• 1:13:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You may even sit there and say, "Hey, listen, man. I like the money I'm getting from Qatar. Can we intervene a little bit?" Like, deep down inside, even those guys are sitting there saying, "We can't have Iran doing this." Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, I'm giving you a different angle. But I think if that's what's going on, dude, let's go with Carg Island. Let's go with something. Publicly, they're saying, "I'm gonna take that real estate in your face, in your face, in your face." Now, keep in mind, behind closed doors, you know, the president's very good at saying, "Look here, look here, look here." Bam! So stuff may be cooking behind closed doors and nobody knows it. But to me, if they keep expanding and your partners are taking a hit, you better make

• 1:13:49Patrick Bet-David?

  some calls. And behind closed doors, you know, you better do something so the market is realizing you're not gonna keep getting away with this, because they are getting away with it right now. So, my concern is, do it fast. You know how sometimes, like, you know, when you go to the doctor and they're doing some testing on you, and you're Middle Eastern, you have a hairy chest?

• 1:14:11Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:14:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just say.

• 1:14:11Speaker 10

  I don't know what that means.

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• 1:16:24Speaker 10

  The stickers for all the... Oh, my God, that's the worst.

• 1:16:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And I just tell them, "What are you doing, nurse?"

• 1:16:31Speaker 10

  Rip it.

• 1:16:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Rip it! And then you scream like the scene from 40 Year Old Virgin. And then you get it over with.

• 1:16:37Speaker 10

  Kelly Clarkson!

• 1:16:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? Yeah, you get it over with. So I think we're at a point right now that this lagging approach is gonna be horrible for midterms, and I think it's gonna be horrible for 2028. I would much... By the way, Tom, question for you. If you have a shot at losing midterms or 2028 presidency, which one would you rather lose?

• 1:16:55Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I'm about to lose right now, so right now I'm thinking about 2028, but I gotta mitigate right now.

• 1:17:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So guess what? In your mind, yes, you're greedy, you want both, but the more you're lagging it, the more you're hurting both.

• 1:17:09Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:17:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Not one of them. Let it rip. Let us hate on you. Let us tell you you're the worst. Let everybody in the market talk shit. Look at him. He sucks. Approval rating sucks. The worst ever, worse than this and worse than that and worse than that. Boom. And then afterwards, Iran's toppled. Oh, maybe it was a pretty good move, but don't do it slowly. Take that thing out. Go watch 40 Year Old Virgin for inspiration, but let's roll, is what I'm saying. My opinion. Adam, I'll give you thoughts on it.

• 1:17:34Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not a 40 Year Old Virgin, Pat, but I'll comment on this story. Look, I'm actually...

• 1:17:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You look like a little nerd, though, right?

• 1:17:41Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you, sir.

• 1:17:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a good look. I wanna give you a wedgie.

• 1:17:44Adam Sosnick?

  But he's a handsome nerd. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate that. Uh, I'm gonna push back a little bit. I hope you don't mind.

• 1:17:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Push.

• 1:17:51Adam Sosnick?

  I am, number one, let me go to first principles. Am I happy or upset that Trump actually took action on Iran initially? Very happy. Because everyone's been kicking the can down the road. Every president has basically publicly stated we needed to do something about Iran, but then just quietly did nothing. Or they give some BS nuclear deal that Obama did, and then Biden gave them money, Jimmy Carter did this. Nobody's actually stepped up and taken action on Iran, and Trump did. So I wanna give him credit for that. Now, when he said he had no regrets, I actually agree. He also said that he might have done things a little bit differently, and maybe that's what you should have done. But, two things for me.

• 1:18:34Adam Sosnick?

  As much as America and even Israel were involved in the initial part of this, you regional powers in the Middle East stepped the hell up. Like, in the Middle East, you have one of two categories. You either have, like, the monarchies and the kings and the shahs and the supreme leaders, or you have regional terrorist groups running your country. So, you gotta pick a path. There's zero free countries in the Middle East, zero. So what are these countries gonna do? Saudi Arabia, I mean, how much... Are you familiar with the history of the Houthis and understand how big and powerful they are? Do you understand how big they are? Out of all the terrorist groups in the world, do you know where they rank? In terms of manpower, military power, do you know where they rank? Number one.

• 1:19:19Adam Sosnick?

  They have 250,000 to 300,000 armed militia fighters. And these aren't part-time guys. These aren't guys like, "Hey, honey, I gotta go to work today." They are born and bred to be warriors. They got nothing going on in Yemen. Yemen is one of the poorest countries in the world. They basically took over their government. They had a civil war, 2004 to 2014. Nobody said anything. Hundreds of thousands of people dying, unless it's Palestine, keep quiet about that, Yemen. And then in 2014, Saudi Arabia was like, "Yeah, uh, we don't want radical extremist Shia radicals, uh, running the country right on our border, so now we're gonna step in." And what did they do?

• 1:20:00Adam Sosnick?

  Saudi Arabia had another war with Yemen, with the Houthis, for another decade, and they failed. They lost. So all these, the Saudi military, you lose to a bunch of radical rebels? Iran, we know that the IRGC is great at killing their own people, horrible at winning wars.

• 1:20:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So what are you saying? I still don't have a clue what you're saying, bro. Like, get to the point. Like, this is so much foreplay. Tell me, you're saying you disagree. What are you disagreeing with?

• 1:20:25Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying, you're putting it on Trump respectfully. I'm putting it and saying, "You do something about it, Middle East." You've let this thing fester just as much as America. And my apologies to put this all on Trump and say, "You need to step up, you need to step up, you need to step up, you need to finish this." I think he eventually will after midterms. I've said unequivocally, I think after midterms, win or lose, Trump's gonna do something bigger and deeper in Iran, because then he has two years left.

• 1:20:52Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not how this works.

• 1:20:53Adam Sosnick?

  But this is my...

• 1:20:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not how this works.

• 1:20:54Adam Sosnick?

  I think Saudi needs to step up. I think Qatar needs to step up. I think Jordan needs to step up. I think Iraq needs to step... All the regional powers need to stop looking at America and being like, "Please, please, would you help us? You do something, MBS."

• 1:21:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you why I disagree. And this is kind of a weird thing for a... The argument to be this way. Who started it?

• 1:21:20Adam Sosnick?

  Iran started it in 1979.

• 1:21:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but.

• 1:21:23Adam Sosnick?

  Like if we want to go back and back and back and back.

• 1:21:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't give me some ridiculous answer.

• 1:21:26Adam Sosnick?

  That's not a ridiculous answer.

• 1:21:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Who started it?

• 1:21:27Adam Sosnick?

  We've been at war with them since 79 when they took forty hostages.

• 1:21:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Who did the first attack in 26? Who started it?

• 1:21:32Speaker 10

  We did.

• 1:21:32Adam Sosnick?

  If you want to say America, then America.

• 1:21:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, America and who? It was a partner.

• 1:21:35Adam Sosnick?

  And Israel.

• 1:21:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, great. If you started it? Saudi's gonna be like, "What the hell you talking about? I never sat there and told you to do this in the first place." "You've made my area and region a chaotic area." "You did this. I didn't tell you to do this."

• 1:21:48Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, no, respectfully. It's always been chaotic.

• 1:21:50Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but, but.

• 1:21:51Adam Sosnick?

  They didn't just make it. They're trying to clean up the mess.

• 1:21:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that. The part that, the part that the president gets credit for is he, he was the first one with brass to actually do what all these other guys kept talking shit about. Kamala Harris. Iran is this. Obama, Clinton. Oh, Iran is this, Iran is this. Yeah, but when it comes on, you didn't got the balls to do shit about it.

• 1:22:09Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 1:22:11Patrick Bet-David?

  But dude, I get that, but if you started, wrap the whole thing up already.

• 1:22:17Adam Sosnick?

  I wish there was that easy to wrap something like that.

• 1:22:19Speaker 10

  Well, that's why the other people didn't start it.

• 1:22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But what I'm saying to you is, if you don't, this is gonna be another one of those 10, 20-year thing that's gonna take place. And guess what? That's not a good idea, because if it continues like this, imagine if this thing is still going on in September of 2028. How do you think this helps the election?

• 1:22:37Adam Sosnick?

  Well, obviously, that would be a, a big issue, but, but I, I don't see it lasting that long. That's my.

• 1:22:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Why? Bro, I.

• 1:22:44Adam Sosnick?

  How is Iran even surviving at this point?

• 1:22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Well.

• 1:22:46Adam Sosnick?

  They're getting strangleholed and, and you talk about choke points. Their, their, their currency's deflating. They have no money.

• 1:22:53Patrick Bet-David?

  How is Houthis going around doing what they're doing?

• 1:22:55Adam Sosnick?

  Houthis is separate. I'm talking about Iran. Well, what percentage of.

• 1:22:58Speaker 10

  They're so broke.

• 1:22:59Adam Sosnick?

  Hold on.

• 1:22:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Who funds Houthis?

• 1:23:02Adam Sosnick?

  Are, are you saying that Iran funds the Houthis?

• 1:23:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Who funds the Houthis?

• 1:23:04Adam Sosnick?

  The Houthis fund themselves.

• 1:23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Where do they get the money from? Where does the Houthis get the money?

• 1:23:08Adam Sosnick?

  They have taxes. I, I, I know a little bit about this. They get money from.

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's the representative? Who does Houthis?

• 1:23:14Adam Sosnick?

  They do get a portion of their money from Iran. I'm not objecting to that.

• 1:23:16Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm saying to you is.

• 1:23:17Adam Sosnick?

  But it's not 100%.

• 1:23:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I get it.

• 1:23:18Adam Sosnick?

  It's not even 50%.

• 1:23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I know it's not, but what I'm saying to you is, when you think Houthis, who does the Houthis tie to?

• 1:23:23Adam Sosnick?

  Iran. They're tied to, or the Shia military.

• 1:23:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Who are they doing this for? Who are they doing this for to take over these different regions?

• 1:23:28Adam Sosnick?

  They're doing this for Allah.

• 1:23:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but in the main country representing their Allah right now, that's at war with US is who?

• 1:23:36Adam Sosnick?

  Iran.

• 1:23:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran. Okay. They're not doing for the Gulf states.

• 1:23:40Adam Sosnick?

  So, so is Hezbollah doing everything for Iran? Is Hamas doing everything for Iran? Is ISIS doing everything? They're all intertwined. At the end of the day,

• 1:23:47Patrick Bet-David?

  they're, they're.

• 1:23:48Adam Sosnick?

  It's not.

• 1:23:50Adam Sosnick?

  Houthis, I'll tell you this. When the, when the 2004 civil war started for 10 years, and then they fought Saudi, Iran wasn't even in the equation. This was their own thing. So, yes, I know that they're sort of conflated at this point, but I, I, I'm just trying to establish that Houthis got their own thing going on, independent of Iran.

• 1:24:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you're, you're, you're seeing stories like this. If Saudi is one of our main partners, that they're doing a lot of things.

• 1:24:13Adam Sosnick?

  I wouldn't even call them a main partner at this point. Didn't they just sign a security agreement with Pakistan?

• 1:24:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think, why?

• 1:24:19Adam Sosnick?

  And, and with Turkey?

• 1:24:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are they forced to do that, though?

• 1:24:22Adam Sosnick?

  Because they're weak and they don't have their own military and their own army?

• 1:24:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe, maybe.

• 1:24:25Adam Sosnick?

  And they refuse to step up? And I appreciate what Saudi's doing. It sounds like I'm coming down hard on Saudi. But to put this all on Trump and on America, the, the Middle East Arab countries, they need to step up against Iran.

• 1:24:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, who, who can, who has the military power to go up against them right now?

• 1:24:40Adam Sosnick?

  In, in.

• 1:24:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran. Which, which one of the Middle Eastern regions has the power to go up against them right now?

• 1:24:45Adam Sosnick?

  Collectively, they all do.

• 1:24:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But they don't, they don't want to do that, though.

• 1:24:48Adam Sosnick?

  Because they're soft.

• 1:24:49Patrick Bet-David?

  But because you, you.

• 1:24:51Adam Sosnick?

  Because they want to rely on America.

• 1:24:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You didn't start.

• 1:24:52Adam Sosnick?

  Because they want our troops to die.

• 1:24:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You didn't start.

• 1:24:54Adam Sosnick?

  People say, "Oh, we want it. We're not gonna go die for Israel." Yeah, but what are these Middle Eastern countries doing? They're getting affected. Zero bombs, zero missiles are going into Israel at this point.

• 1:25:04Patrick Bet-David?

  The only difference here is, you started it in the US, now you're in.

• 1:25:09Adam Sosnick?

  So if you started, you have to finish it?

• 1:25:11Patrick Bet-David?

  If you started it, you, what are you talking? You sell the ships.

• 1:25:13Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, I hear what you're saying.

• 1:25:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You keep saying.

• 1:25:15Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not disagreeing, but I'm saying, what level of involvement do the Middle Eastern countries and Arab countries have in this? Nothing?

• 1:25:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You keep saying, you keep saying that we have control of the Hormuz. You don't.

• 1:25:26Adam Sosnick?

  Who's keep saying that?

• 1:25:27Patrick Bet-David?

  The president.

• 1:25:28Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, I'm not saying that, yeah.

• 1:25:29Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he's saying that to.

• 1:25:30Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not taking him literally.

• 1:25:31Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but that's not the point. When he says stuff like this,

• 1:25:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  and imagine you're MBS and you're one of those surrounding countries like, "No, you don't." "No, you don't." You're confusing a lot of people when you're saying stuff like this. If you do, well, then stop them. If you don't, well, then don't.

• 1:25:45Adam Sosnick?

  So, let, let me, let me rephrase maybe my question. What role do you think MBS, Saudi has to play, Qataris have to play, Jordanians have to play? All these other countries, what role do you think that, if you think that Trump started it and should finish it, what role? Should they help strategically, militarily, economically? Should they root on the sidelines and go, go Trump? Like, what should they do?

• 1:26:06Patrick Bet-David?

  How much money did they commit to invest into the US? What's the amount of money they committed, committed to investing in the US?

• 1:26:12Adam Sosnick?

  Which country?

• 1:26:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Saudi.

• 1:26:13Adam Sosnick?

  Saudis throwing money around because they're trying to be.

• 1:26:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, guess what, though? But remember when the president's going and saying, "We got 18 trillion dollars of commitments to build in the US."

• 1:26:20Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I remember that. That's not from Saudi.

• 1:26:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Not at inside. It's a total 18 trillion dollars. A big chunk of it is from Saudi.

• 1:26:25Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 1:26:25Patrick Bet-David?

  People can invest in different ways to support.

• 1:26:27Adam Sosnick?

  That, that's true.

• 1:26:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody wakes up in the morning and says Saudi has one of the best militaries. They gotta go work on it and they gotta build it.

• 1:26:32Adam Sosnick?

  But, but back to my initial question. I'm not trying to be combative. What role should they play in this combat?

• 1:26:37Patrick Bet-David?

  In the future, moving forward, you have to, at this, you don't think Saudi and MBS is sitting there realizing? You don't think Dubai is sitting there realizing, "Holy shit, we better get our act together, or else at any point, things can happen. It's taking an effect on our business." That doesn't happen overnight.

• 1:26:51Adam Sosnick?

  But the point is, I think that they've known this for decades, that Iran's always gonna latch up.

• 1:26:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course, they've known that.

• 1:26:56Adam Sosnick?

  They can't act surprised. No one feels bad for them at this point.

• 1:26:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course, they've known that for decades, but they didn't start this war. They did not. This one, they did not start.

• 1:27:04Adam Sosnick?

  But, and, but this goes back to my initial point. If Trump never did this, we'd be having a way bigger war in 10 years.

• 1:27:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Unfortunately, unfortunately, if you're gonna make a heavyweight decision like that, you gotta finish that heavyweight decision yourself. You made that decision.

• 1:27:17Adam Sosnick?

  Then, then what's the point of having allies?

• 1:27:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Every ally plays a different role.

• 1:27:21Adam Sosnick?

  So they're playing zero role, though?

• 1:27:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, they, they're not. They're playing a different role. You need Saudi to be strong because they're investing resources into our country. They're, they're becoming partners in different ways. Everybody plays a different role as a partner. Let me get to the next story. Let me get to the next story. Okay, so that's good. Uh, uh, by the way, you know, if you agreed with what Adam said, go Monect them. Message him and say, "Adam, I'm kind of with you on this one here." His QR code should be somewhere out there. Go message Adam. He's, uh, I think, I don't know how much far away he's from 10,000. We can help him get to 10,000 on Monect this.

• 1:27:49Adam Sosnick?

  Thanks, guys.

• 1:27:50Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's go to the next one. Next one I want to get to is Yankees-Palestine flag. So the Yankees are playing, I believe against the Mets. And in the middle of it, all of a sudden, a guy decides to run out with a Palestinian flag on 9/11. And here's what happens to him. Go ahead and play the clip.

• 1:28:12Patrick Bet-David?

  That was a pretty good body slam. That guy, WWE should sign that guy in the navy blue outfit.

• 1:28:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody chanting, "USA, USA." You do this on 9/11? So, the, the reason why this is, this is, there's a certain relationship there. Can you? Do you have the clip of Palestinians celebrating when 9/11 happened?

• 1:28:36Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:37Patrick Bet-David?

  The day it happened, in an area where they were celebrating, saying, "Hey, you know, look what they took place. They're dancing, they're doing their thing." Go ahead. Watch this. Go back.

• 1:28:46Speaker 16

  From the West Bank, these are Palestinian celebrations in the wake of Tuesday's terror attacks in the United States. Apparently Palestinians took to the street chanting, "God is great." People were throwing candy, distributing candy to passersby.

• 1:29:03Speaker 16

  The US government, obviously, has become increasingly, increasingly unpopular, particularly in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, because Palestinians feel that the US government has sided with Israel. One man, Nawal Abdel Fattah, wearing a long blast, black dress, threw sweets in the air, saying, actually, that's a woman, pardon me, saying she was happy because, quote, "America is the head of the snake. America always stands by Israel and its war against us." Meanwhile, Yasser Arafat, we're gonna show you.

• 1:29:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, how do you feel about this?

• 1:29:35Speaker 10

  Let, let me explain. And I remember this video. I remember, that's how old I am, is when they actually showed this. I saw that live. Anybody, let me explain something to you. You can have, criticize, criticize Israel like we do. I, trust me, I do it on this friggin' podcast. But if you're out there, I'm all about, like, it's, what are you trying to show? What are you trying to say with that? You're running on 9/11. You know what the hell this country went through on that friggin' day. You see what the people of Palestine did on that day, celebrating the, the, "God is great." "God is great when 3,000 Americans had to friggin' decide, you know, what am I doing? Am I jumping out of this friggin' building? Am I gonna burn to death?" I think it's a huge spin the Facebook page. I'm not, I'm not surprised. This is, they're in a freaking

• 1:30:18Speaker 10

  city where the mayor, the friggin' mayor, uh, uh, Islamist, friggin' pro.

• 1:30:25Speaker 10

  When you give a pen, I talked about this yesterday to somebody on my neck, speaking of my neck. When you're sitting there as the mayor of New York, you and you're signing something for 9/11. You know, the entire world is watching and trying to piece together what is going on. When you purposely give a pen, you bypass the commissioner and you give it to that guy. You know that saying, Tom, to the world? F you. Hey, New York, F you. That's exactly what the hell that saying? So I'm not surprised, especially when the city's been taken over and this is the freaking attitude. But shame on you. I'm happy that everybody was saying, uh, USA, USA. But I'm not surprised that it's happening in, in New York.

• 1:31:06Tom Ellsworth?

  I have a very quick, simple take. God bless you, people of New York, who were speaking up with just a full voice response there. And USA, USA. And to the rest of you who are watching, that is the heart of New York. The heart of New York is not this minority that is surrounding, you know, their, their legitimately elected, but really pathetic mayor. They're going to get over this and they're going to figure it out. Just enough people wanted free stuff and wanted the Pollyanna future, got there. But the real heart of New York is out there now realizing, wait a minute, he's opening the doors on this. We first saw it with the African-American homeowners in Brooklyn that were saying, wait a minute. This is about to be bad for us and our taxes and us renting apartments on things we own.

• 1:31:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Time out here. We can see what's going on. But God bless you, you fans that were there, because that's the heart and soul of New York. Not the comparative minority that is getting behind the socialist fable. You're gonna find out what's there and they're gonna come back around.

• 1:32:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 1:32:07Adam Sosnick?

  Well, welcome to Mom Donnie's New York. On 9/11, wherein the Yankees are playing the Mets, the Bronx Bombers versus the Mets. You have, shocker, a Palestinian protester show up on the middle of the field. Undisrespectful on 9/11. Are you kidding me? I mean, when I say that New York has a Palestinian problem, I, I don't mean that like esoterically. I mean literally, they're gonna come over, take over your city. You just elected Mom Donnie. How much longer do you want to wait for it to get worse? So at the same time, you don't need to be a Zionist, pro-Israel person to condemn what this is. These are two separate things. Israel actually has nothing to do with this.

• 1:32:51Adam Sosnick?

  These people, these are Marxist revolutionaries mixed with Islamic rebellion. And they're bringing it to America and we're like, oh, guys, there he goes. Oh, what a problem. So to me, at its core, it's anti-American. Tell me if you noticed this, whenever you see the pro-Palestine marches, do you ever see an American flag? Because if you do, it's burning. Now, let me tell you a little something about who this person is, just for a little context. Uh, if, if you read a little bit about him.

• 1:33:20Patrick Bet-David?

  This 38-year-old guy?

• 1:33:21Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, his name is Kelly Marcucci. It's a man. Uh, he's a 38-year-old self-described revisionist Marxist from Long Island. Shout out to Long Island. Uh, before this, he went on a Facebook rant ripping on capitalism, Zionism, 9/11, no kings. And then the coup de grace, posted multiple videos featuring the great Candace Owens. So where do you think he gets his inspiration from? It's probably a multitude of all those things. This is anti-Americanism. If this were a different country, and I'm saying this almost like jokingly, hang him up by his neck. But of course, in America, he's gonna get a little fined. And Mom Donnie might even, uh, let him out. He might even give him a medal, even a pen. Hey, sign this, buddy. This is what America's coming to.

• 1:34:06Adam Sosnick?

  And before, before it's too late, do something about it in your area.

• 1:34:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, this was China. I'm sorry.

• 1:34:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Tom.

• 1:34:12Tom Ellsworth?

  If this was China, the Chinese news would say, an anti-government individual was seen in Tiananmen Square and they were led away.

• 1:34:21Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly. And never to be seen again.

• 1:34:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, this was a, he did it at 9:11 PM. Uh, they had a special night that night with Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera. It was like a, it was like a thing to make it about that, but this guy came and did his thing. And, uh, you know, uh, I want to show you this video. It's one of the most difficult videos to watch on 9/11. The White House posted it of folks who called their family members and left messages while they were on the plane. I want you to watch this. Go for it.

• 1:34:51Speaker 17

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  I love you. I know I love you. I'm so in New York. I love you. Look, I'm just wanting to be with you. I love you always.

• 1:37:33Speaker 18

  These voices remind us of what was taken from us that morning. But September 11th is not only a story of what America lost. It's also a story of what America found in one another. And when the sun rose on September 12th, we stood together as one nation under God.

• 1:37:52Speaker 19

  The next day, as I drove to work, there was suddenly no road rage. People honked and smiled and flew the stars and stripes for coming together on 9/11 as we have not come together since World War II.

• 1:38:03Speaker 20

  September 12th, something extraordinary happened. America and much of the world came together. People reached across differences. Strangers embraced, neighbors helped neighbors. People of different faiths, races, and backgrounds and political beliefs stood together. Because for a moment, we understood what matters most. We are human beings first. Lord, help us remember that.

• 1:38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  What a great.

• 1:38:34Adam Sosnick?

  If you don't get emotional watching that video, you don't love America.

• 1:38:37Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, what a great video this is. But so, so for us, you know, this is why earlier when we were talking, I said, you know, only the paranoid survive. We can't lose that. There's certain things you can't lose. You can't forget what the enemy did and what happened here and how it brought us together. And for us to kind of be a little bit casual about it and not see what's going on in America and different markets and different places, the financial capital of the world, New York City. The mayor there is an Islamist socialist. Think about it.

• 1:39:05Adam Sosnick?

  Communist.

• 1:39:06Patrick Bet-David?

  America is a capitalist nation, free enterprise, built on Christian values and principles. That number one city that creates the commerce that it has is ran by mayor 25, 26, 25 years later. So as paranoid as we are, we're not paranoid enough. And, uh, we have to be more vocal than ever before, more bold, more confident in a reasonable, non-emotional way for people to realize what is really going on. For others to say, maybe I ought to entertain that idea. So. The pride in this greatest country in the world. It's, it's, by the way, just so you know, one of the main reasons why we do what we do, when I see, when I go out and I see people wearing

• 1:39:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Future Looks Bright, or they wear the gear, it's a way of representing what you stand for. I stand for this. I don't care if you buy our merch or not. By the way, just so you know, we don't make money off merch. I don't know if you, it's not like it's a profitable outlet for us. We're not making millions off merch. If you only knew the data, we're not doing it because this is how we're gonna be. No, we're doing it because we do believe there needs to be a brand for people to represent that. You see somebody, you're like, me too. I see you. Me too. Wink, wink. On a plane, the other day, guys were telling me, man, going into the ball conference, I saw a bunch of people wearing Future Looks Bright gear. The hat, I saw the logo, I saw this, I saw that. It's bringing people awareness around the world. I get messages where people said, I'm at the bar in a freaking

• 1:40:31Patrick Bet-David?

  country, and the guys weren't there. We had a great conversation together. So, this is why we believe in this. If you support great, you don't, I totally get it. I'm not trying to impose it on you. But this is our way of representing the greatest country in the world and wanting these messages to get out there to everybody. So if you haven't placed anything, go wear one of the hats, represent one of the hats on FLB.com, whether it's the Future Looks Bright, whether it's the, you know, Faith Over Fear, just go to FLB.com, whether it's the loafers, the shoes, the shirt, the jacket, whatever may be, it's our way of getting that message out there. All right, next story I want to get into is interest rates. Tom, word is out there that for the first time in three years, we are about to raise the rates. And more and more and more people are saying

• 1:41:16Patrick Bet-David?

  they believe it is actually going to happen. The Fed is poised to raise the rates for the first time in years. Lots of people are saying, wait a minute, this isn't a good thing. And I think you're part of that camp right now that says, we shouldn't be doing this. The market is down slightly right now. The one sector that is getting hit hard today is the tech sector. If you pull up the chart on what is really taking place, the tech sector is down out of that one chart that you guys sent me earlier, you know which one I'm talking about, that was shown. So, Tom, would rates be an increase right there if you're looking at that, what's going on with the market today so far? Nothing crazy, but the Nasdaq is down 2% for the day so far. Tom, why is this concerning to you that we're about to raise the rates?

• 1:41:59Tom Ellsworth?

  The reason you raise rates is if you have inflation out of control, or it's rising and you believe it only takes a little bit of rate change to control it. Number one. Number two, you lower rates if you've got high inflation, I mean, high unemployment, because it makes money easy for businesses to borrow, so they can build factories and they can expand. And right now, they're pegging inflation on two things, which I'm not alone here. Inflation in a broad market is different from a supply spike. And right now, we have a supply spike. Why do we have a supply

• 1:42:41Tom Ellsworth?

  spike? Because we closed refineries in the United States. No one's talking about that. There is refinery closures in the US, affected 321 crack spread, which is one, which is the cost of turning oil into gasoline, into aviation fuel, into heating oil, and into the most needed commodity, diesel fuel at a reasonable price. So, all that transport cost doesn't end up in your apple, cereal, or lumber, everything that gets transported with diesel fuel. So, I think that what they're looking at is these supply spikes, and that, and they feel that it's gone on too long, and that this will, this, that raising the rate will tamp it down. Raising the

• 1:43:25Tom Ellsworth?

  rate won't oil, won't open new refineries in the US. Raising the rate won't stop the war and the supply spike and the cost of the oil that's over there. And raising the rate isn't gonna have an effect on the tenure to get the mortgages to come down. And I believe, I don't want to be right. I believe that this is going to, this is going to stall the economy, not help the economy that is already kind of fighting a little bit. That's what I think. I don't want to be right, because I don't want the economy to stall. So I look at it around, see, we really lost the midterms, man. We went from getting beat to getting just absolutely beat down. I

• 1:44:05Tom Ellsworth?

  don't want that. But I'll tell you, I think we need 50 basis point cut. So me and the Fed are 75 basis points apart.

• 1:44:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You and the Fed are 75% basis points apart.

• 1:44:17Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think that we should, I think we need a 50 basis point cut right now.

• 1:44:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, if you, if you look at numbers, 85% of economists, according to Reuters, are saying the rates are gonna go up. That's one. Two.

• 1:44:29Tom Ellsworth?

  That's what they say, but it's not what they all believe.

• 1:44:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I know, I know. So, so then you have the second part, which is the jobs report came in three times higher than expected. So, Wersh believes the economy can't handle it. Number two, he says the goal, to go to 2%, I think he said this at Jackson Hole, we got work to do, which work to do means what? He has to raise it. Then inflation went up, I think, 0.3% that the reports just came up. I think we're at 5.4% right now, getting even further from the 2%. Of course, it doesn't help now that the oil prices right now today are at what, Tom? Was it 104, 102? The Texas, I don't know what oil prices right now. It doesn't help that this is 103, 52. It doesn't help that this is taking place. And this is why earlier when I said,

• 1:45:10Patrick Bet-David?

  stop playing the Band-Aid game. Slowly moving it. Go do the job fast, get it over with. Because if everyone, can you, can you type in where you are right now? Go to six months on oil. No, wherever you are right now, just go to six months, right there. Look at that. Up, down, up, down, up, down. Look at that. So if we go in April, look how high it hit. 115, April, April, guys, April, April.

• 1:45:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Left, left, left, left, left, left, left.

• 1:45:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you not, just look at the bottom, it says May, April.

• 1:45:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Left, left.

• 1:45:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, forget.

• 1:45:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:45:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So, April is.

• 1:45:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Unbelievable.

• 1:45:48Patrick Bet-David?

  April, go back a little bit more, guys. Go back a little, go to the peak, right there. Thank you. 112. Then look what happens. Next, immediately, it drops to what? 84. Ah, everything is good. And then boom, back 110. Then it drops, 78, it's good. Okay, back to 105. Oh my God, it's back to 80. Oh my God, it's up. Like, the, the, people don't want to deal with this. People don't deal with it. Go, get it done, let's move on. It's okay if we're gonna have a, but, but the more and more we're getting into this, the more challenging affordability takes a hit with folks, we have to be very, very aware of what is taking place. And then look at the gradual incline from where it was in July to now where it is today, right there. And then you look at

• 1:46:30Patrick Bet-David?

  where it is today, all the way up to September 2026, if you go to it, you'll see the gradual incline to where we are today. And it's gonna get higher if this thing continues. So, interest rates going up. The other day, we're talking about, can you do me a favor and type in, if a person wanted to buy a $500,000 house, buy a $500,000 house at a 3 1/4 interest rate versus a, where's it gonna be at today right now for 30-year fixed, Tom? Six and a half?

• 1:46:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Six and a half for 700 credit.

• 1:46:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Six and a half for 700 credit. Okay. So say, 3 1/4 interest rate versus 6 and a half, 6 and a half, 6 and a half, 6.5% interest rate. What is the mortgage payment for that? Okay? What is the mortgage payment for both loans? Let's see what it tells you. It, that's the real number. That's the real number. Because then what happens is if you look at that, at 3 1/4, my mortgage payment is 2166, 2176. At 6, 6 and a half, it's what? 3160. That's $1,000 more. Then, then add another 30%, because it's, that's after-tax money. So it's really $1,300 more

• 1:47:38Patrick Bet-David?

  that you need to make per month, which $1,300 more times 12 is what? $20,000, $18,000? So I need to make $18,000 more to have that. So then the people that are sitting there, that want to sell their house, guess why they don't want to sell their house? Because they're sitting on a 3 1/4 loan. They're like, what's, is this the new norm? Is this where we're gonna be? Is this gonna be the new norm? So it is challenging, but the numbers need to go on your side to be able to lower the rates, and it's not, Tom. That's the problem. Wersh is almost cornered. So, Powell, who got, who gave Powell the job?

• 1:48:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Trump.

• 1:48:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Who gave Wersh the job?

• 1:48:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Trump.

• 1:48:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump. I mean, what, what, what else can you say about it? The guy's trying to do his job, and he said at Jackson Hole, inflation's not going in the right direction. It's, it's a tough place to be, Tom.

• 1:48:26Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'm, by the way, the economists that say, um, yeah, 85% of us say the rate's gonna go up. It's a different vote if you ask them, should it go up?

• 1:48:42Tom Ellsworth?

  That's where I'm at.

• 1:48:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're more stay or lower?

• 1:48:46Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm 50 basis point lower. You're looking at supply shocks that are creating the inflation. The inflation numbers are not related to things that are happening broadly. It's related mostly to diesel fuel, transport, supporting chemicals, and all that's happened. And by the way, we would still be up Crap's Creek if we had no war because of the seven refineries that closed in the U.S. We would still be up, believe it or not, 25 to 30% on a gallon of gas because of the refinery closures and we lost capacity. So I step back and look at it. Isn't that by definition a supply shock? And if you need to build a billion dollar refinery,

• 1:49:28Tom Ellsworth?

  don't you want to give them a loan at a lower rate so that they'll go do it?

• 1:49:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Philip 66 closed a refinery in California because they didn't want to spend a billion dollar retrofitting it for artificial emissions. Well, he could go build, let's give them a permit to build it somewhere else. Let's give them an interest rate they can afford to do it.

• 1:49:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:46Tom Ellsworth?

  And I feel like I'm psychotic staring at this, staring at this and going, why, why is this happening? Where are they doing it? What is the, what is the invisible hand here? Because I don't see the inflation this way. Is the affordability up? Yes. Everybody in the comments can say, well, it's costing me more. You're right, and I'm with you, and those numbers I do not dispute. But we don't need a rate hike when the inflation is based on energy costs and that what's going with it. And I think this is, I just.

• 1:50:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm at a taco restaurant yesterday. Yesterday, and at this taco restaurant, the guy comes to me, okay? And he says, Patrick, things are very bad. I said, really? Yeah. I said, how bad? He's on a great corner. He's got great food. He's got the best tacos on town. They do great service. They're very fast and quick, you know, great location, fun, all that stuff. By the beach, he says, I can't even hit my last year's September numbers. I said, what do you mean? He just came and started talking to me. He says, I'm going to be down 30% of last year's September. He says, we are so desperate. He shows all the rest. He says, all of us right now here are doing, what do you call it? When, happy hour.

• 1:51:01Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, every day I have to do happy hour and free tacos just to break even. He says, just to break even. He says, traffic is down. He says, all I rely on is my locals. He says, if I rely on tourists, I'm in trouble. Well, my locals are not even coming right now. Okay, and this is a local restaurant that, you know which one I'm talking about. So, but it's not about the season. It's, he's down in September, over September, down 30%. So guess what? You have to know, there is a pattern. You affordability is an issue with some of the businesses. And we're talking state of Florida. We're not talking about like a different kind of a state. So, Adam, your thoughts on this before we go to the next.

• 1:51:37Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, I think it's a useful conversation to have. I actually have a lot more respect for Kevin Moore than I thought I would. I'll tell you that because my number one concern when Trump is basically choosing Jerome Powell's successor was, is this guy just going to be a yes man? And respect to Trump, the last thing he needs around him is another yes man. So if this guy does come in and raise rates, what do you think Trump's going to think about him? Probably not going to be too happy. But I don't see a problem with that because this guy is, the Fed has a dual mandate. They want to cool inflation and they want to keep unemployment, what, below 5%? Right now, just some numbers for you. Inflation's what, at 4%? And inflation is at 3.5%? So, and it's, and it's potentially rising.

• 1:52:22Adam Sosnick?

  But every, Tom was right about the energy costs and like that. So the only reason you would raise rates is to do what? Fight inflation. So the way I look at it is like, look, I'm not working for the Fed. I don't control global supply chains or anything like that. I can control what I can control. And there's one of two things. There's two types of people in this world. There's a person who pays interest and the person who gets it. And I try my best to be the person getting the interest. So that means don't take on more debt, especially if interest rates go up. Maybe put more money in a savings account or a money market account. Collect more interest. Do what you can do to, to basically receive interest, not pay it. Now, yes, it might slow growth. Yes, it might slow borrowing costs as costs go up. But control what you can control. And then obviously, save that money.

• 1:53:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:09Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, it's, it's going to be a, and by the way,

• 1:53:13Patrick Bet-David?

  there's only so many different markers you can have to manipulate the market to look like it's doing better. Then there is the real thing. Let me give you an idea what I mean by this. You know how, say your health sucks and you're trying to do everything, every pill, every TRT, every peptide, every vitamin, Tom, every omega-3, every omega-6, Tom, everything that you got, everything you want to take, except for stop smoking and drinking alcohol and exercising.

• 1:53:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Doesn't make sense.

• 1:53:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're like, hey, can we do everything for me to get healthier? But I'm not going to stop smoking. I'm not going to stop drinking. I'm not going to do this. Well, dude, like.

• 1:53:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Then no.

• 1:53:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm, what I'm saying is some of the stuff we're doing is causing this as well. And, and that part, we have to sit there and say, stop smoking. Let's accelerate when we're going to quit smoking. Maybe let's quit smoking, you know, in 60 days. Maybe let's make some bigger decisions. I don't think we've done that yet as a state. And the more and more we look away from affordability as if it's not a big thing, it's going to show up on the election day. It's going to show up and then they're going to sit there and say, how did this happen? How did this happen? How did this happen? And by the way, and it's not like the Republican Party is, you know, is got everybody united and momentum and all this other stuff. No, the other day, Tucker, I don't know if you guys saw what Tucker said. At first, I'm like, this is not a real story. There's no way he really said this. Or, uh, what story was this?

• 1:54:37Patrick Bet-David?

  The, the, when he's.

• 1:54:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Him basically endorsing the.

• 1:54:41Patrick Bet-David?

  El-Sight against Mike Rogers. But I think he went a little bit deeper is what he said, right? He, uh, and this was on 9/11. Do you have this? Tucker Carlson backs Democrats, Abdul El-Sight in Michigan Senate race. Let me read this to you. Tucker Carlson, all but endorses Michigan Democratic Senate hopeful Abdul El-Sight in his Friday newsletter defending 2021 comments in which El-Sight said 9/11 scared our country in profound ways, but we did after 9/11 scared millions of other people. We often fail to center them. Carlson wrote, El-Sight is obviously right and urged Michigan voters to keep this man far away from Washington, meaning Mike Rogers, uh, referring to Republican opponent, Mike Rogers. Rogers has called El-Sight's remarks disgusting and said his attitude towards the worst strategy in American history makes him completely unfit to serve in public office.

• 1:55:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Carlson, a former Iraq war supporter, countered, understanding that the Bush administration was wrong to kill hundreds of thousands of people and waste trillions of dollars in Iraq is disgusting. El-Sight has also faced scrutiny over his embrace of Twitch streamer Hassan Piker, who said, America deserved 9/11. Tom, Vinnie, where are you at when you see stuff like this? Because the Republican Party is going into the midterms. You have an affordability issue. You have a war issue. You have some things that's, you know, you have to deal with. And then you have people that are making comments like this. How do you process that?

• 1:55:55Speaker 10

  I honestly, like, especially with somebody like Tucker, who I, I don't, I don't think that there's anybody else that has such, has made such a, a shift politically, who they're representing than, than Tucker. And Tim, you know, when I think it really started? I think it started when he went to, was it Qatar? Where did he go to, uh, go to speak? He did a speech and when somebody asked him.

• 1:56:19Tom Ellsworth?

  He went to Qatar.

• 1:56:20Speaker 10

  No, no, no. Where was the one where he said, and, and I quote, somebody said, so we heard that you're buying property, you're buying a house here. And they were.

• 1:56:27Tom Ellsworth?

  In Qatar, yeah.

• 1:56:28Speaker 10

  In Qatar, Qatar, because he said.

• 1:56:31Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm an American.

• 1:56:31Speaker 10

  I'm an American and I'm not even being funny. Since that moment, I saw a shift as if, Tom. And by the way, for everybody out there going, well, the records and you could easily get money funneled to you for doing a speaking event or something where amass the fact that you're getting from it. And I, bro, I wouldn't be surprised at some point if Tucker Carlson seriously converts to Islam. Because the way that he's acting, the way he's, because if you're going that hard against Mike Rogers, you're going for.

• 1:56:59Tom Ellsworth?

  You're going to go all the way there.

• 1:57:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually would respect that.

• 1:57:01Speaker 10

  At least do it. At least do it then. I would 1,000% I would respect it because.

• 1:57:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Inshallah, it'll happen.

• 1:57:07Speaker 10

  Well, because, because Adam, real talk, if you're this Christian and you want to buy property in a Muslim country where there's no churches, you're not going to practice your religion. You'd have to become a Muslim to do it over there. He could follow the Milo thing. But I'm telling you right now, Pat, with everything that's going on, I'm not a lesser of the two evils guy. I'm a common sense guy. You are, with your influence, you are giving ammunition to the other side that wants to destroy America from within, plain and simple. And everybody, guys, criticize the president. Please do it. Let's not forget all the positives that he's done with the border, with crime, with fentanyl. You guys, everybody looks past that, okay? Criticize him. Criticize the decisions with Iran. Criticize the Israel stuff.

• 1:57:51Speaker 10

  And I get it, and you guys all know that I'm that guy too. But the attitude of this and representing and, and promoting these people, he didn't come on and say he's, he's backing him, but you're saying it without saying it. I'll be damned if I'm going to go ahead and be like, yeah, well, he's right. Because of the decisions of a war and all that stuff, I'm going to say, they'll caution through the wind and say the hell with it and go for somebody that's going for El-Sayad and, and all these people. No, I'm sorry. I'm not doing it.

• 1:58:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, when I hear Tucker talking about, I'll buy what I want, where I want. It's like, oh, you're going to buy a Qatar condo. Yeah, it's like Monaco, but really noisy on Tuesdays.

• 1:58:23Speaker 10

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:58:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Right? They give it that way. It's like, wow, very noisy. The neighbors are sure noisy. They seem upset.

• 1:58:30Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:58:30Tom Ellsworth?

  The, I look at that and I think that was just, everybody got distracted by that. What I really wanted to understand, or what was the underlying change or position happening with, with Tucker to be able to say that? Like, he is, I'm an American. Remember you kind of like.

• 1:58:46Speaker 10

  Yeah, it was weird. He didn't expect it.

• 1:58:48Tom Ellsworth?

  And he goes, I'm an American. I can do what I want.

• 1:58:49Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:50Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't dispute that. You can. And there's Americans that buy places everywhere. Um, I, I, I'm still looking at Costa Rica. So you've got things that are going on and Americans do that. That's not what I'm looking at. Pat, I was looking for the why. Why the interest? Why then?

• 1:59:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think?

• 1:59:06Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think there was a change and I think there was some.

• 1:59:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Anything different than what Vinnie said? Like, do you think there's something bigger than that?

• 1:59:15Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I don't think all the way to conversion to Islam, but I think there was some, some friendships, some affinity, some speeches. You know, I, I think there was something there that drove it.

• 1:59:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he saw opportunity? Or you think he was offended? You think he saw, you think the motive is opportunity to exploit this? Or you think somebody offended him? You think it's something that he believed in right after his father passed away? Maybe he gave him a letter or something that got him to think in a certain way? What do you think it is?

• 1:59:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I think he's fiercely his own man. But I think that's evolved over time and what does it mean? And so I think he's got the wealth that he could say. I mean, Pat, sometimes you do things with your wealth to make points. You know what I mean? But you have to make good points with it.

• 1:59:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:57Tom Ellsworth?

  And you can make very good points. Maybe he's just saying, hey, all of you that say this or that, I can do what I want. And I just bought a condo here. I think there's a little of that.

• 2:00:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, where you at?

• 2:00:10Adam Sosnick?

  Look, when it comes to Tucker, I really don't care about the why. That's like, why did Lindsay Clancy kill her three kids? I don't care. She did it. I care about the what? So what he's doing is what I find reprehensible. And this is my opinion. Tucker Carlson, I've never been a Tucker guy. So it's not like I was like, ah, he was my favorite. And now I don't know what happened to him. I never was a fan of him. I remember meeting Tucker at a AALU meeting in DC in like 2010. He had his bow tie on and I asked him like, what's up with the bow tie? He's like, oh, you don't like it or something? I was like, yeah, whatever. You know me with my questions. And to me, obviously he's switched up and he, but he's still that dude in a bow tie.

• 2:00:52Adam Sosnick?

  To me, Tucker is the living embodiment of his laugh. You ever met someone with a laugh like that? I'm being dead ass honest. You ever meet somebody laughs and goes, what? That's your laugh, bro?

• 2:01:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Never seen people with, you've never seen that?

• 2:01:06Adam Sosnick?

  I've seen some weird laughs.

• 2:01:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You ever seen that one show that brought people with the funniest laughs?

• 2:01:12Adam Sosnick?

  Well, let's bring Tucker to that show. He'd win a gold medal.

• 2:01:15Patrick Bet-David?

  People have weird laughs.

• 2:01:16Adam Sosnick?

  But, yeah, but not faces of movements. So in my opinion, Tucker has two things that are basically pervasive in society right now. And he's got them both. He has TDS and he has IDS. He has Trump Derangement Syndrome, hates MAGA, hates Trump. And he has IDS, Israel Derangement Syndrome, hates Bibi, hates Israel. And that's all this dude thinks about. And then I'll give you my biggest take. And PBD, I want you to tell me if you agree with this or not. I think part of the rise of Tucker had to do with the vanishing of leaders who have been dominant for a decade. Number one, Charlie Kirk, been a year. But don't forget, where's Jordan Peterson been for a few years now?

• 2:02:01Adam Sosnick?

  He's not doing well.

• 2:02:02Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not doing well.

• 2:02:02Adam Sosnick?

  So where's Dennis Prager been? He's a quadriplegic now and he's finally making a comeback. So in my opinion, when, when, when the best and brightest people who shaped basically the, the, the young conservative movement have sort of been like in the background? You have about, you have a lot of nefarious actors like Tucker, who at one point had a lot of credibility. How much Tucker, how much credibility do you think he has now?

• 2:02:25Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of people say, so are you happy now? You know, you were going to give him money and you're not happy because of this and you're not happy because of that. This isn't the Tucker I was interested in.

• 2:02:33Adam Sosnick?

  No, nobody is.

• 2:02:35Patrick Bet-David?

  This isn't the Tucker I was interested in. This isn't the Tucker where you're supporting a guy that you, you're putting that, Mike Rogers as a bigger enemy than El-Sayed? Your values have changed and sometimes it happens to people. And, uh, but the laugh part you were talking about, if you want to play this clip, this is the laugh part. Listen to this. This thing's got 54 million views. So when you say people don't have laughs?

• 2:02:59Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, I didn't say people.

• 2:03:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You have a metal eye, people. Go ahead.

• 2:03:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That sounds like a donkey.

• 2:03:10Adam Sosnick?

  See, that's at least funny to listen to. Tucker's is just weird.

• 2:03:20Adam Sosnick?

  Can we play Tucker's laugh, by the way? Can we get a montage of that? That's where I laugh like that. Is that sealed? Oh my God, I would hate that on a comedy show.

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• 2:05:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You pause it right there.

• 2:05:16Adam Sosnick?

  Get some of Tucker's laughs.

• 2:05:18Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's all right. I want to continue with this, so.

• 2:05:20Adam Sosnick?

  But you know, you know who I respect?

• 2:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Who?

• 2:05:24Adam Sosnick?

  Victor David, Victor Davis Hansen. Did, I know you, did the video, interview come out yet?

• 2:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. No, it hasn't yet.

• 2:05:29Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, gotcha. He's a very rational, sensible person. Would you, would you agree?

• 2:05:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 2:05:34Adam Sosnick?

  Not very emotional.

• 2:05:35Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 2:05:36Adam Sosnick?

  He's been scathing Tucker. Scathing, you know, you know, Osman Gold?

• 2:05:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 2:05:42Adam Sosnick?

  I actually, I've been, I've been seeing him more, a little bit more of his content lately. When he goes, that's it. That's it. Tucker has officially lost me. He's like, I had 1% left. And then he started basically saying that algebra is meaningless. Oh, algebra? Maybe you don't use it, Tucker. Maybe the weirdo that you had on doesn't use it. But you know who uses it? Scientists, engineers, mathematicians, people who make society go. He said, once he basically said that algebra is useless, he goes, I'm out. Osman Gold.

• 2:06:13Patrick Bet-David?

  There is, there is a, there is a difference between, like the other day I had Logan Paul on at the Vol conference and I'm just watching him. You know what I thought about? He says, I think my brother will be a president one day. He says, because my brother is intentional. I'm not as intentional as him. He said that, right? Some words like that. But I sat there and I watched Logan. I said, this guy's a showman.

• 2:06:33Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:33Patrick Bet-David?

  The entire time he was a showman. Maybe Tucker is saying, I'm going to be a showman and just be a shock jock. Say stuff that's going to shock people. Like you have to talk about me.

• 2:06:40Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, maybe he is, but.

• 2:06:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe that's the business model.

• 2:06:43Adam Sosnick?

  Some people call him showmen, some people call him clowns.

• 2:06:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But the part is, you're no longer the, the.

• 2:06:50Adam Sosnick?

  Serious journalist?

• 2:06:51Patrick Bet-David?

  No, that's not even the word I'm looking for. You looked at Thomas Sowell to say, be like that man.

• 2:06:56Adam Sosnick?

  The best.

• 2:06:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You looked at Charlie Kirk, you said, be like that man. An example, you looked at Victor.

• 2:07:02Adam Sosnick?

  Victor Davis Hansen.

• 2:07:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And you said, be like that man. I don't think anybody right now says, be like Tucker.

• 2:07:08Adam Sosnick?

  Bingo.

• 2:07:08Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a showman. I think that's how simple it is for me. So I don't think it's a, I don't, I think if he wants to be a showman, go at it, make your money. Click, you know, collect your, your checks that you're getting, but you're not a figurehead. What people looked at Charlie and said, I would love my son to grow up and follow that example. I don't think anyone's saying that about Tucker anymore. I think Tucker's entertaining and he's doing his part and he's getting everybody to talk about him. And maybe that's a business model that's working. Now, another person that has built himself on values and principles, DeSantis. I'm going to finish up with this one here. One, Florida Attorney General sues Netflix for data tracking children. So that's one story with Florida. Number two, DeSantis offers Florida asylum to Lindsay Clancy's trial holdout juror. You know who that is?

• 2:07:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And last but not least, Florida approves process to designate CIAR, Muslim Brotherhood, Antifa as terror groups in the state of Florida. Now, in 2023 and 22, I did everything in my power for DeSantis to not run. I did everything in my power for him to follow, drop out because in my opinion, he needed to approach Trump. In my opinion, he needed to go have a meeting with him and he didn't. He forgot that Trump helped him become a governor. And I told him to his face when I had the conversation with him. I hope he runs in 2028. If Rubio decides not to run, I hope DeSantis runs. I hope DeSantis, I hope DeSantis runs no matter what.

• 2:08:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Because he's a guy that at least you know one thing about DeSantis. You know what it is? When it comes on to conservative values, he's going to fight for them.

• 2:08:40Adam Sosnick?

  He's the guy.

• 2:08:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He's got audacity, he's got brass, he's not afraid. And I'm excited about what he's going to be doing. DeSantis and the state cabinet approved a rule Friday establishing the process for designating domestic and foreign terrorist organization, clearing the way to formally designate the Council on American Islamic Relations, the Muslim Brotherhood and Antifa designation takes effect 30 days after publication, giving groups seven days to object in writing the underlying law effective July 1st, bar state agencies and public schools from using funds to support designated groups and creates criminal penalties for knowingly providing material support to a domestic terrorist organization. This provides an appropriate framework where they can take action appropriately so they can defend the people of Florida against possible actors and terrorist groups. Said state domestic security chief Mark Glass.

• 2:09:25Patrick Bet-David?

  CIAR is challenging the effort in two federal lawsuits. A judge previously blocked enforcement of a related DeSantis executive order against CIAR on First Amendment grounds. A ruling, the state has appealed Texas designated the same two organizations as terrorist organizations in November of 2025. And the Trump administration has previously sanctioned several Muslim Brotherhood branches abroad. Tom, why is this important?

• 2:09:50Tom Ellsworth?

  It's important because the faster a liberal judge goes after a legislation like this, the better it probably is for conservatives, patriots and regular citizens. And so I, the fact that the judge reacted, jumping out of his shoes to get in front of this, tells me everything I need to know, which means that the, the liberals that want open borders and all the other crap that goes with it and the ability to have groups here on soil, enabling other groups, and that's what he goes after here. I think this is great and I think that DeSantis is getting out in front of it, Pat. That's my headline. The faster, the faster the liberals go after it, Pat, the better it is for conservatives and patriots.

• 2:10:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 2:10:35Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, respect to DeSantis. I mean, I'm just wondering what took so long? Everyone knows in America, if you've been studying this at all, that the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. I mean, Antifa, what took them so long on that? I'm not so familiar with CARE, the Council of American Islamic Relations. I'm just willing to bet that they're probably doing some salacious stuff, pro Palestinian, anti-American stuff. And I, and I respect DeSantis for implementing this. I hope that Byron Donalds continues like, uh, DeSantis's legacy. Uh, because it's a tough, big shoes to fill. No pun intended, I didn't mean that actually. But, uh, I'm just rooting for Florida to win and, uh, and that's why I'm on team DeSantis

• 2:11:19Adam Sosnick?

  and whoever his replacement may be.

• 2:11:21Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. So that being said, gang, um, today's what, Monday? I think we have two podcasts that are going to go live this week. Logan Paul's will go out and I think one other one will go live as well. And then we'll be back on Friday. Take care, everybody. Have a great week. We'll do it again on Friday. God bless. Take care. Bye, bye, bye, bye.

• 2:11:39Speaker 02

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