DSA Wins in Florida, Trump Approval Falls to 33%, & NY ISIS Attack Thwarted | PBD #847

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team break down the FBI escalating its investigation into Eric Swalwell as newly released documents revive questions about his relationship with suspected Chinese spy Christine Fang. Plus, a former Fauci adviser pleads guilty to concealing COVID research records, and Trump's approval sinks to 33% as the Iran war, $4 gas, and the midterms collide. 🎟️ SECURE YOUR 2026 VAULT TICKETS: https://bit.ly/4xU2SCW 👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller "Your Next Five Moves" (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  My son's right there.

• 0:20Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:26Speaker 00

  Very rarely does Vinny reveal things about him that nobody else knows. He just said something. Are you okay if I tell everybody?

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Well, that's fine. That's fine.

• 0:33Speaker 00

  Vinny was kicked out of an online university.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  DeVry, DeVry.

• 0:37Speaker 00

  That's how you get kicked because of harassment. What was it harassment or like a little bit too much?

• 0:42Speaker 02

  They're still litigating.

• 0:43Speaker 00

  How do you get kicked out of an online university?

• 0:45Speaker 02

  Control, all, delete.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  I understand it physically or somewhere, but I too.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  I tried to control all delete and it just wasn't.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  By the way, just in about three seconds, Tom's going to tell us a joke here. So, Impact, I want everybody to be ready for it. Hang on. So, Tom's wearing a sticker saying, "I voted." Just so everybody knows, Tom voted. But it's too late because it was two days ago, three days ago. No, that's okay. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Uh oh.

• 1:06Speaker 00

  I, I'm from California and I haven't stopped voting. Got it. Okay, that's a good point. That was not a bad joke. We got, we got, that's a, that's a four. That's a four, five. I think it's okay. For Tom? Yes. That was a nine. Look, we got, it just ended a week. Lots to discuss. Thank you, Adam. Um, you know, we have John Doyle here with us from The Blaze. Great to have you here with us.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you for having me.

• 1:25Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah, yeah. Our team, they're like, "Pat, we gotta get John on. He does a very good job." So, you got a lot of fans here in the house. You missed it. Adam was kind of trying to punk a little bit because Adam feels like the old man. He misses being 26, 27 years old. Yeah. The good old days, 30 years ago, when Adam was in his twenties. I just turned 40 again. So, let's go. Every time. So, let's go through some of the stories that we got. All right, let's go through some of the stories. One story here, we have to talk about. $25 minimum wage could eliminate 5 million US jobs. Economist warns, and there are certain states that would get hit by more than others. This Army unit, think about what a creative way to get people to re-enlist for an additional two to six years.

• 2:10Speaker 00

  Hey, if between August and November, you re-enlist, we'll give you a four-day weekend to play as much Grand Theft Auto VI as you want.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Sign me up right now.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  It's a dance. We'll give you four days for six years of your life. And already 130 people re-enlisted. Can you imagine? It's like, "I'll re-enlist just to play." So, they're doing creative stuff over there. Good. Uh, a democratic socialist won in the great state of Florida. People are shell-shocked. How did this girl, Angie Dixon, score socialist breakthrough in Trump's Florida? That's a great title by Axios. Bernie Sanders came on, on one of the Zooms to kind of endorse and sell her, you know, and then all of a sudden, he wasn't on it. So, we'll talk about that. Eric Swalwell is just having a really great time the last couple of months. All the stories about him are very complimentary and no crime, no, you know, doing anything with the Christine Fang, Chinese spy, bomb, you know, but there's additional stories that are coming up that could get very, very nasty.

• 3:05Speaker 00

  We'll talk about that. Trump's approval rating plummets to new low ahead of critical midterms. More work to do. That's a Fox News headline that I just read to you. So, we'll address that. And then there's something that happened with Trump sounding alarm on crazy Iran, saying regime would use nuclear weapon without hesitation. A lot of people are saying, "Look, why are we, why are we going back to this? Do we want to continue going this, uh, direction?" And Tom's got some thoughts on that. And then a few other stories. This Harvard story is a little weird. Harvard agrees to pay $53 million after morgue manager sold body parts. Like, you read that, you're like, "Is that a real story?" That can be a real story.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  It's an absolutely real.

• 3:43Speaker 00

  But it's a real story. Okay. You can't make this up. Sean Duffy warns daughters Harvard corrupts. Girls like her. We'll get into that. Sophie Cunningham hints at WNBA commission shakeup as she goes after Kathy Engelbert. Very weird on the way she did it. Tupac's murder trial is taking place. And there used to be a rumor back in the days that, you know, they took his ashes and they rolled it up and they smoked it. And I was like, "Yeah, but that's a rumor. That's just good for hip-hop rumor." Apparently, it really did happen. Apparently. So, we'll, we'll talk about that and a couple of different things. With Keith D telling detectives his nephew shot Tupac in 1996. We'll address that. Tom's heavily following the Tupac case.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  And then aside from that, I think we got a couple of other stories that we'll try to get. This one lady, you know, we had a researcher that told us something and I don't even know if that's appropriate to say, but he said this. And he said, "There's only one person that looks better in a burka than this, and this person being one of them because a white woman becomes a Muslim and she joins ISIS, apparently."

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:50Speaker 00

  And then she goes and gets arrested, allegedly plotting New York State Capitol attack. And this is an ABC News story. And this is a true story, Vinny.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  And wait till you see what she wore and where she was going to buy her bomb-making material.

• 5:04Speaker 00

  You're type though.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  She's so hot. I'm not gonna lie, she's hot.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  All right. And then, uh. How do you tell which one's her wife? Karen, Karen Bass and Nithya Raman had a moment of an exchange going back and forth. And Karen Bass says, "Are you sending your resignation? Is that what you're doing?" And she's like, she, she has the second lowest show rate of showing up and all these other women also have kids. You have to see this exchange. It's a great exchange. And then I found a clip from Pep, coach, who is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Some will say he's the greatest coach of all time. He talks about passion in a way to his players where they catch the camera from the bottom of one of his players. You gotta see this clip. It's such a beautiful clip. It's emotional, but it's such a beautiful clip

• 5:48Speaker 00

  to show of what it takes to win at the highest level. We will show that as well. With that being said, we are one week away, 10 days away from the Vault Conference. If you haven't yet registered, this is your last chance. Team in the back, go ahead and play the clip. Do you know on average, how many people you and I meet in our lifetime? According to a study, the number is 80,000 people that we meet in our lifetime. By the way, according to business professionals, 80% of them said, "The most important thing I can do for my business and my career is networking and only about one of four do it." So, why is this important? Since 21 years old, I've gone to four to 10 business conferences every year, purely because the people I'm gonna meet and the strategies I'm gonna take away. So, for us, once a year, we host a conference called the Vault Conference.

• 6:31Speaker 00

  We're in one room, not 80,000, but 12,000 people will be in one room from 60-plus countries, going through 296-page manual together at the Vault Conference, August 31st through September 3rd, at MGM Grand Arena in Las Vegas. If you're somebody that wants to accelerate the process of networking and meeting new people to do business with, click on the link below or above. Get registered. I look forward to seeing you there. Guys, if you haven't, go to vault2026.com. Again, go to vault2026.com. I will tell you one thing. On day one, if your goal is to meet others and network with others, we're gonna offer an opportunity of networking in ways you've never had at a business conference.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  I can't tell you until you get there, but if you're going, vault2026.com. Get your ticket. Come with your spouse. Come with your business partner. Let's spend four days together in Las Vegas, August 31st through September 3rd. With that being said, let's get right into it. Okay, first story. $25 minimum wage could eliminate 5 million US jobs, an economist warns. Now, some may say, "How? How could we eliminate 5 million jobs if we go from $7.25 to $25?" So, don't you help people out? Isn't that a good thing that people make more money? Isn't that, isn't that good? Corporate profits, all these guys are making all this money. What's wrong with taking people from $7.25 to $25 an hour? And here's what the story says.

• 7:54Speaker 00

  "A federal $25 minimum wage mandate would destroy millions of jobs and hit booming Sun Belt states hardest, warned Rebecca Paxton, researcher, uh, director at the Conservative Employment Policies Institute, which projects over 5 million jobs lost nationwide. Progressive lawmakers want $25 floor by 2031 for large employers and elimination of the tip credit. Some of the top states that are going to be impacted by the $25 minimum wage include Texas, Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, Tennessee. These states have a massive workforce. They are currently abiding by the $7.25 minimum wage rate. So, a $25 minimum wage represents more than tripling the current minimum wage. More than a third of projected losses fall on a restaurant hospitality.

• 8:37Speaker 00

  Include a $1.2 million tipped workers, one fair wage, part of the coalition pushing the floor disagreed." We're seeing so many MAGA voters excited about a $25 minimum wage.

• 8:50Speaker 00

  Said President Saru Jayarmen, the group said, "One job should be enough to live on." Called the EPI projection inconsistent with decades of minimum wage research." Cited UC Berkeley economist Michael Reich. "Finding phased increase raises incomes with a literal effect on employment." The federal minimum wage sat at 725 since 2009. So Tom, the argument would be, since 2009, that's 17 years till today, it's 725. Isn't it time we raise the minimum wage? The argument on the other side, the libertarian side is, "Let the market decide." What does Tom say?

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Here's what I say. I have two points on this. The first is, you have to be careful about the liberals that are there and the socialists. Because in there, you find a code. And what the code is, is that every job should be a living wage. I mean, that's what Wang said when he came out and he ran for president. We actually had him on the podcast, Andrew, right?

• 9:41Speaker 00

  Yang, Yang, not Wang. Yang with a Y. Yep.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Yang.

• 9:45Speaker 00

  It's not the same thing.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  It's not the Wang.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  No, no, it's not.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  Yang, Yang.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  Sorry. Um, insert bad joke here.

• 9:50Speaker 00

  I'm glad you held back.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I did. So they're out there talking about living wage, right? That everything needs to be a living wage. Bernie talks about it. Andrew Wang's brother, Andrew Yang, he talked about it. You know, they've all talked about it. And they're in code. So whenever they bring up minimum wage, they see that as a door to run in and to push that angle. However, the fact that it hasn't risen since a certain amount of time, you know, soon as you open the door, the reason it hasn't risen is because the capitalists and a lot of the people in government, you know, say, "Listen, once you turn that and they give the government a knob to turn, what do they do? They turn it. And so, okay, we raised the minimum wage here." And they say they're gonna sweep in and the socialist side of the Democratic Party

• 10:37Speaker 03

  is just gonna turn that knob and take it all the way to 25 or 30. Because they believe every job is to be a minimum wage job. Well, you know, that's my point. My point is, you can't go down that path. And if you, soon as you say, "Isn't it time to change it versus letting the market decide?" You've now walked right through the door to have a negotiated discussion on the floor of Congress about it. And guess where you're gonna end up? You're gonna end up with all the crazies on the left pushing for the living wage as soon as you open the door and Sam willing to talk about it.

• 11:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. So John, you're in your twenties. So a lot of your friends, I'm sure when they're talking about affordability, getting married, having kids, buying a house, maybe this is a good idea. Where do you stand as a 20-something-year-old, 26, 27-year-old? Should they raise the minimum wage to $25 an hour?

• 11:21Speaker 04

  No, absolutely not. You know, I even remember this conversation during Bernie's first campaign for president when I was 16 or 17. I was taking econ in high school. And I remember thinking, "Okay, here we go. I'm gonna learn all about why minimum wage rising is actually a good thing." And they taught it straight. They were like, "Look, we may be teaching you Keynesian economics, but like, we still believe that, you know, when you raise the price of labor, you're gonna see obviously a decrease in the jobs available because that's just like how it works." And so, seeing so many young people still embrace this, even though we are taught this, it's all the other like liberal stuff you learn in public school, tells me that obviously whatever's going on with affordability is striking people so much that they're anxious enough to like ignore even what they know to be true about how like minimum wage laws affect the supply of available jobs. And I think that the Trump administration has done a decent job trying to, you know,

• 12:06Speaker 04

  address these affordability issues with people like J.D. Vance articulating things like, homeownership, wanting to bring back jobs domestically. But insofar as there is that issue with affordability, if Democrats and socialists can like exploit that for political gain, they're obviously gonna do it every time.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  And they seem like they're doing it and making a lot of progress. I mean, you saw a socialist yesterday win the primary or two days ago in Florida. Adam, your thoughts? The minimum wage, $25?

• 12:28Speaker 05

  Well, if you just wanna understand how minimum wage works and how math works, take the minimum wage, $25 an hour, times it by two, that means you're making $50,000 a year. Okay? So if you wanna start everybody out at $50,000, we're gonna have a major problem. I know you've told the story, you worked at Haagen-Dazs for $4 an hour. I worked for $10 an hour at one point. At some point, we're gonna have to realize, if you start everyone at 50, that means that everyone is gonna be making 80, 100. So you might be saying, "That's great, we're all making more money." That means everything's gonna cost more. So right now, this is federal minimum wage, just to be clear, right? Right now, it's state minimum wage. I think the highest states are obviously the big blue states, California, New York, Hawaii. It's $17 an hour.

• 13:13Speaker 05

  But then you have states, like, I think Florida is maybe 12. You have certain states, lower economic states, Mississippi, Alabama, where it's closer to the federal minimum, which is $7 an hour. If you make a federal minimum wage of $25 an hour, that means every single state is gonna be basically firing employees left and right because they can't keep up. So here's the biggest challenge I have. In a time where we're basically seeing that AI is gonna take over and put unemployment, which is at 4%, which is pretty damn good right now, historically pretty damn low. All of a sudden, AI is gonna put people out of the workforce? Now businesses can't pay their employees a reasonable wage? They're gonna fire everybody? And there's a major, major challenge with even talking about something like that.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you hear different angles with this. Some wanna blanket $25 minimum wage across the board for everybody. Some are saying $25 minimum wage if you work for a big company. So not a smaller company. So then they're gonna identify, because if you do it blanket across the board for all the big companies, every small company, the big companies are gonna sit there and say, "Uh, absolutely. Raise the minimum wage to 25 bucks." Why do you say that? Because, so let's just say, I'm doing 2 billion a year. And I have 80 competitors around me that are smaller than me. I'm the behemoth 2 billion, they're all under 100 million. Or let's just say they're, yeah, let's just say they're under 100 million, between 10 million to 100 million dollars in top line revenue. They collectively do 4 billion a year.

• 14:40Speaker 00

  But I'm the behemoth guy that's 2 billion a year, okay? They all of a sudden, when I go buy products, I can buy 50,000 pieces of this product and he'll sell it to me at $2. He can only buy 5,000 of those products at $6. I'm getting a better discount because I'm buying volume. No problem. So he has a bigger profit margin to be able to afford to pay higher salary. All of a sudden, he goes to $25 an hour. All the other guys that are at a lower money, minimum wage, they go out of business. I don't know what just happened, if you know what happens. These businesses, 10 to 100 million that go out of business, that revenue rolls up to who? The $2 billion company all of a sudden becomes 3.1 billion. They're like, "What a fricking great idea." Absolutely raise the minimum wage to $25.

• 15:24Speaker 00

  We love it. They want that, right? They, the bigger companies would love seeing something like this happen, but they don't realize they're gonna hurt the small business owner. Do I think they need to raise it or not? That's a different conversation to have. By the way, when a lot of people say 725, only about 82,000 people got paid 725 an hour last year. That's it. Only 82,000 people. And guess what the average age of those 82,000 people were?

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Probably teenagers.

• 15:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. And FYI, if you're making 725 and you're 30 years old, you're the problem. Not the person paying you that. If the value you only bring to the world by the age of 30 is $7.25, what the hell did you do with 30 years of your life? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about disability, I'm not talking about all. That's not what I'm, when I go to Walmart and I see them having hired certain people that have disabilities, I salute the company every time because that's respect, that they're willing to do that. I'm not talking about the exception. I'm talking about the other 95% that by 30 are making 725, you're part of the problem. Go pick up a book. Go take a class. Go learn something. There's so many things available for us to find to improve our market value today. And I think a lot of the onus goes on them.

• 16:33Speaker 00

  I got a message yesterday. Look at this DM. Guy sends me a DM. Every time I get these DMs, cracks me up. Guy says, "Hey, can you send me $1,000?"

• 16:42Speaker 04

  You're old.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  I said, "If you send me $5,000 first." He says, "Very businessman of you. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." I said, "Stop begging and create value instead." Building a fake bot account to beg people for money is not only unattractive but semi-criminal. Be useful." He says, "Was having a joke." Jeez. I said, "Life is not a joke. Stop wasting your life." I mean, this is like a real thing that we got going on. Make yourself useful. Some people say, "Why do you have a 20-something-year-old on the podcast?" The number one guy that has the biggest YouTube channels in his twenties, what's his name? Mr. Beast. Nobody cares about age nowadays. They care about value. Nobody does. Yesterday, I was doing the, what do you call it when you go to school to meet the kids' teachers? What do they call that?

• 17:24Speaker 04

  Parent-teacher conversation.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  Parent-teacher, is it parent?

• 17:27Speaker 03

  And it's also an open house night to kick off the new year.

• 17:29Speaker 00

  Okay, so I went to school yesterday, and by the way, I had no idea. We didn't do this in our high school. Our oldest has eight classes and it's 90 minutes a class. We didn't do 90 minutes a class, it was 50 minutes a class in LA. Did you experience 90 minutes a class or?

• 17:43Speaker 04

  72.

• 17:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, so what is this 90-minute thing? I'm not, so anyway, so they do a class every other day. So you have four classes every day, but it's 90 minutes. Then another four classes the next day, it's 90 minutes. And they kinda rotate and they call it a orange day, whatever, they give it different colors.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  A schedule, B schedule, yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  So I went and met the teachers yesterday, and one teacher who was the history teacher, he's like, "Listen, the book I have here, your kids are gonna be bored out of their minds. They're not gonna like this book." Me and Jen look at each other, we're like, "Does she have any idea that Tico reads that book for hobby and he's in love with the book that they're giving him? He's gonna love this history class." I came out at the end, I'm like, "I fricking love these teachers." The idea of learning, we were, one lady was from Siberia, said, "I learned English in Siberia, I came to the States, I've been a professor for 22 years." She's got a YouTube channel with 2,200 subscribers. You gotta get obsessed with learning, you gotta get excited about this phase of what you need to do. Last clip I'll show you before we get to the next article is the following. Can you, can you play that clip of Coach Pep Guardiola? You know which one it is that I said, "I want you to watch this here."

• 18:43Speaker 00

  And by the way, this applies to all of us. This is not just, you know, sports. This guy, Pep Guardiola is known, Guardiola is known as, some people would call him, "The greatest coach of all time." This guy's coached Messi, he's coached a great one.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  Oh, he's a soccer coach.

• 18:59Speaker 00

  Dude, this guy, let me tell you, legend. We were trying to get him at the vault this year, if not last year. We invited him both times and both times he had a game. Or else we would've had him at the vault. The mindset this guy has and what he's done, he is loved, admired, and respected. Look what he says yesterday. Go for it.

• 19:14Speaker 06

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 19:44Speaker 07

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies 18 plus.

• 20:09Speaker 08

  How many discounts does USAA Auto Insurance offer? Too many to say here. Multi-vehicle discount, safe driver discount, uh, new vehicle discount, storage discount, legacy.

• 20:18Speaker 09

  How many discounts will you stack up? Tap the banner or visit usaa.com/autodisc counts. Restrictions apply.

• 20:24Speaker 10

  Did you know that mosquitoes have killed almost half of all people who have ever lived? Today, people are fighting back. With support from the Gates Foundation, American scientists and partners around the world have developed a new generation of bed nets that can kill up to 90% of mosquitoes exposed to them, helping cut malaria rates in half. The result? A safer, healthier future for everyone. The Gates Foundation, partners of human potential. Search gatesfoundation.org/mosquito to learn more.

• 20:55Speaker 11

  I'm fucking divorced from the most beautiful woman in your planet is my wife, my ex-wife. I love her unbelievably, but we lost the passion. For many reasons, we lost the passion. I love her, yeah, absolutely. She loved me, yeah, but we lost the passion. Tell you play football, because you're playing or something inside? What is the passion? In your life, what am I going to do? Do it with passion. I don't want to play. I was playing with passion. I'm fired up to do this podcast.

• 21:26Speaker 00

  This is why people love, love playing for this guy. Love. And the passion thing applies in your business, in your marriage, in parenting, in your health, in your studying, in being a student, in faith, in every aspect of your life. So the minimum wage argument is, look, we, we want you to make a hundred dollars an hour. We want to help you make a thousand dollars an hour. We want you to get past the $25 an hour concept. So, but unfortunately, they're having these types of conversations, the $25 minimum wage. You need to go out there and learn and earn it. You need to do your part to get to a point like that. Tom, I'll give you the final thoughts and I'm going to the next story.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Give me the final point. We're talking about $25 minimum wage. It was a $15 minimum wage we were talking about 2019, and that's what Bloomberg talked about. Forbes Magazine wrote about it at that time, and HR executive wrote about it at that time. The pace of adoption of kiosks in fast food accelerated three X starting in 2019. You want to know why? Because the fast food industry said, and I'm reading the quote, "We need to make the minimum wage impact on us irrelevant. Otherwise, we will die and will not be able even to operate our franchises." So they went to kiosks, they went to automated kitchens, AI-powered drive-throughs, which were recently discussed. All of that was on the, on the docket in 2019, and they have been chasing it, and it's been

• 22:42Speaker 03

  eliminating jobs for teenagers because they've had it. So when you're talking about the big company, the big company's got the money, like McDonald's, all the franchises, to go invest in these systems, and guess what? It eliminates jobs.

• 22:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. And again, we'll, we'll see what's going to happen with this. I don't think this conversation is going to go away. You said when you were 16 years old, a story came out. You guys remember Bernie Sanders, like, we should raise the minimum wage to $15, and then he realized he was paying his interns $13 an hour, and that story came out, and it ended very, very quickly. Let's go to the next story. So now, John said something. He said, "The socialists are exploiting what's going on with affordability." Okay? And I'm going to come to you first on this next story. In Florida, on Tuesday, okay? Angie Dixon, Democratic Socialist, won Tuesday primary in Florida. The question now, AP says, is can she win in November? Okay? Democratic Socialist Angie Dixon won on the primary in Florida.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  Let me go to this other, okay? Voters nominated state representative Angie Dixon, a Democratic Socialist, over Alex Vindman, the moderate former national security office central to Trump's first impeachment and a shock upset she face, faces a long shot challenge to Republican Senator Ashley Moody, appointed by Governor Ron DeSantis after Marco Rubio became Secretary of State. Vindman raised about $16 million and spent $9 million. Nixon raised just shy of $1 million. So the, the establishment Democrat raises $16 million. Nixon, the socialist, raises $1 million, 16 to 1, and she beats the favorite of 16 to 1.

• 24:21Speaker 00

  Skip broadcast ads and targeted voters on social media backed by influencers like children's education, Ms. Rachel and Representative Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar represent. Nixon ran a strong campaign. I will be standing by her side in the fight against Ashley Moody, Vindman said after conceding. Trump gloated on Truth Social. The most gratifying loss last night was that a real treasonous creep, Alexander Vindman, to a radical left lunatic, adding Vindman should be prosecuted. The defeat fits a pattern impeachment era-like figures. Al Green, Dan Goldman, and Sri Thander all lost primaries to the progressive this year. Still Nixon was weakest in South Florida's large Latino community where left-wing congressional candidates lost to moderate Tuesday. So, John, why do you think these Democratic Socialists running up against the establishment

• 25:06Speaker 00

  Democrats are winning?

• 25:08Speaker 04

  I think that progressive voters, they don't have confidence in the ability of like the establishment Democrat Party to stop Republicans. I mean, they tried literally everything they could to stop Trump and MAGA. He still somehow manages to win the election again in 2024, and so now their anxieties are giving them a kind of permission to install, I think, further left, more radical socialist-type candidates, because if the typical, you know, Joe Biden-type Democrats, even though he's become extremely radical, can't, you know, deliver the utopia the way that they were promising to, then they're going to outsource that to people who maybe are a bit more radical in their rhetoric. These people, they become very dangerous when they feel like their back is against the wall. You know, they typically politically become much more radical. On the street level, they become much more radical, and it's the job of the conservative to bring about some kind of order in society and, and give Americans a standard of living

• 25:53Speaker 04

  that makes them feel like, okay, this is working, we don't have to entertain these other solutions, which are insane.

• 25:57Speaker 00

  Is this something to worry about? Like, when you, what, what school did you go to? What college did you go to?

• 26:01Speaker 04

  University of Michigan.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  How many liberals were there? Is it a 70, 30 liberal? Is that a fair breakdown?

• 26:05Speaker 04

  Ann Arbor, Michigan is famously one of the most liberal cities in the country.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  Okay, so that was, how long ago did you graduate? Four years ago, five years ago?

• 26:12Speaker 04

  I'm actually there right now.

• 26:13Speaker 00

  Oh, you're there right now? Okay, when you're on campus, you're talking to, you're in a classroom, you're seeing them make the argument on the other side, what are you hearing? It's not fair. Is it a victimhood language? Is it the corporations are making too much money? Is it billionaires are getting too rich, trillionaires? What is the criticism?

• 26:29Speaker 04

  To be honest with you, it's not as radical as I thought. I think that by the time kids arrive at college, they already have this stuff programmed into them. I was shocked, actually, whether it's an econ class or I'm in the class, a mandatory class called Race and Ethnic Relations you have to take, and it's everything you would expect. The level of disinterest from the average student shocked me. I thought everybody would be there, you know, handing out Mao's Little Red Book or something, but nobody really cared. And so what that tells me is that, yeah, what that.

• 26:52Speaker 00

  And this is at Michigan. This is a real school.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Which, by the way, you just had a rest there from students who were there who were radical because they were threatening, or actually, they were planning acts of terrorism against Zionist professors because they viewed them to be like insufficiently committed to the pro-Palestine cause or something. So this is like a school that is actively breeding radicals, but for some reason, the median student isn't quite picking up on it, which tells me it's not so much college. It's like, by the time you're there, you know, your brain is already molded. If, by the time you walk out of like a public high school in America, you already believe this stuff, like, it's pretty much over for you, I think.

• 27:21Speaker 00

  And I want to get into that here in a minute. Tom, your thoughts on this? So give us a breakdown. You follow these polls very closely.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 27:28Speaker 00

  Go through the whole thing. Byron Donalds, Angie Dixon, what should people be looking for?

• 27:31Speaker 03

  So Byron Donalds is basically, you're going to be a done deal for governor unless something comes out on Donalds. Take a look at what happened in Kalshi. And by the way, this Kalshi prediction market, this is not a poll, this is the odds of success. Remember, that's how prediction work.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  So there's not a poll out there that's 93-7 on all the voters. What Kalshi has pulled here, take a look at what happened when she won. The odds for the Dems actually went down. In other words, the odds of success went down because of Nixon, the DSA candidate versus the other. Rubio consistently won, 53, 54, 57. You know what those are? That's what Rubio got on his Senate. So the Rubio Senate train has been very consistent. He's been very handily winning his elections. Moody was, was his, he approved the choice, he liked the choice, and the Governor DeSantis appointed her to the short term because Rubio became Secretary of State.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  So what you have right now, it looks like Moody, unless something very odd happens, is going to handily carry this at about 55, 45, unless something weird happens. Because if you take a look at Florida, there's the law and order Florida, and then there's the retired Florida. And the funny thing is, there are the Democrats that voted for Trump in 2020 are the, excuse me, yes, 2020 Democrats that we look in Florida, those are going to be with Ashley Moody because they want nothing to do with Nixon's policies. They're the, what you call, remember, what did Clinton call them? The Blue Dog Democrats that used to walk?

• 29:14Speaker 00

  Oh, the Blue Dog.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Remember that? The Democrats used to walk the other side? So that's, that's what's going on with her. She appears more radical, and the core Dems do not like it. Moody should carry this. And Donalds, it's almost like he's running uncontested because he is also up against a candidate that is just, when, when the broader debates happen and the things come out, it, it's not going to play well. I want to know what position his, his opponent is actually going to take.

• 29:45Speaker 00

  Whose opponent?

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Donald's opponent.

• 29:48Speaker 00

  Oh, gotcha. Well, I'll give. Donald's opponent as in the Democratic opponent, not the, you know, you know, I have to really say this, and, and I'm, and I'm going to continue saying this. Donalds is probably going to end up being a governor here, okay? But the more guys like Donalds avoid debates with guys like Fishback, you know what you do? The only reason he didn't want to do, do the debate isn't because of Collins or because of Renner, he didn't want to face Fishback. When you don't face guys like that, you know what I would do if I'm a Nick Fuentes? You know what I would do? And all the other guys? Guess what I would do? You know what an easy layup you're giving me to say one thing? What's that one thing? He's, he's afraid. They're scared. They're scared. And what does that do? You give the base of the younger guys to say, I knew the establishment Republicans are

• 30:32Speaker 00

  scared, versus just debate the flipping topics and sit down. You, you are indirectly becoming the establishment of, I don't need to do it, I'm above you. That's exactly what the young people that are becoming groypers or going to a different direction are turned off by. Yeah, I'm too, I'm too above this. We can't be doing that. We need to have the discount. You know, when a lot of people say, why do you have such and such person on? Why do you have such and such person? Why do you sit down with this person? A week before I had Candace and Andrew Wilson on, I sat down with Ben Shapiro. And by the way, you know what? The podcast went right after Ben Shapiro and Candace and Andrew Wilson, it was who? Joe Webin. You know, all that, the, the level of controversy and what it goes on? So I think, I think the conservative party.

• 31:14Speaker 00

  Those that are the traditional Republicans need to look at it as let me talk to these guys to get in front of the young men to give a better argument. Instead of dodging those conversations. Let me get in front of them, have the conversation and say, hey, here's what I think you ought to consider doing something. Here's what a different approach to take because they're not going away and FYI, they're just gonna get bigger. This idea of they're gonna be gone and non-existent in a year or two, you're delusional. You're delusional. You're buying your own hype. Yesterday, we're at dinner, yesterday or two nights, two days ago, we're at dinner. And I said something to Vinnie, I said, Vinnie, you know what's the one thing about life that nobody realizes? He says, what? I said, no one is untouchable. Even the movie of Untouchable, that was about who?

• 31:56Speaker 00

  Al Capone. Capone was touchable. Name me somebody that's not untouchable. Go ahead. Muhammad Ali? Touchable. Who's untouchable?

• 32:04Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ, murdered, killed.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  So the idea of we are, you know, we are ahead and we got this and we got that, that is a very, very problematic strategy to take. That's a temporary strategy. Because you're avoiding the conflict. When you avoid the conflict, there's a sect of younger men. Sometimes you know what guys want? You know, when sometimes, we had one of our employees yesterday, we had an issue with. I sat down with her afterwards and I said, hey, what's bothering you? And she just opened up. And I said, so what, and we just went back and forth. One of my favorite employees. And it wasn't an issue with me, it was an issue. By the way, the issue was so flipping small. It was ridiculous. And then I said, is that it? Yeah. I said, let me ask you, is it on me or is it on you to bring that up?

• 32:48Speaker 00

  I guess it's on me to bring it up. I can't read your mind to bring it up. And then we, I said, are we good, good? We got a message in, we figured it out. We, half the time, you know what people want? My oldest son, you know what he wants to do every night when I get home? Guess what he wants to do every night I get home? He just wants to give him 20 minutes of just letting him filter out everything's on his mind. Every night I have to hear about Jiu-Jitsu Kaizen. I have to hear about, you know, uh, what happened in a scary movie, horror movie and let me tell you, in Western society, and AP Human Geography. I didn't even know what Human Geography AP was. I'm sitting in the class, I'm like, hey babe, I'm gonna act like I know what I'm talking, what the hell is Human Geography, let alone AP?

• 33:29Speaker 00

  Because when you say AP to me, I'm thinking, why is this kid taking Human Geography of AP Armenian Power? Why are they doing Armenian Power Human Geography, teaching Armenian gangster? I don't think, that's not a good idea.

• 33:40Speaker 05

  No, that was your major, right?

• 33:42Speaker 00

  What's your major? I'll pause, I'll come to you. So you've been in Florida your entire life, minus this moment you lived in Addison Beach. But watching what's going on right now with a socialist like Dixon come up, doesn't do anything to you. You're like, this is just noise, nothing's gonna happen.

• 33:58Speaker 05

  Total noise. And I'll tell you why. Right now, what's happening is you talked about establishment and that's something you're talking about and then you have these sort of anti-establishment candidates. You have to understand there's levels to this thing, there's a difference to this thing. And I'll touch on Byron in a second. The DSA has taken over the Democratic Party. I want to be super clear on that. They've taken over, they've done the Trojan Horse thing. And on the, on the MAGA side of things, you've had the Groypur, America-only crew try to do the exact same thing. And do you want to know what happened to them? They got universally rejected by the party. Now, at the same time, I agree that they're not going anywhere. And if you don't address those issues, it could only fester and get longer. And I'm not calling them a cancer. I'm saying when you have a cancer,

• 34:41Speaker 05

  you have to cut it out immediately or it will spread. And what's happening in the Democratic Party, it has spread. And I would say that maybe 50%, let's say, of the Democratic Party is now DSA. There was a cancer growing in the, after Charlie Kirk especially was killed by Tyler Robinson, allegedly. The cancer started growing. And the MAGA establishment, as weird as that sounds like now, because they weren't the establishment 10 years ago, said, no, no, no, no, no. We're not doing this nonsense. Let me give you some evidence. Dan Bilzerian, anti-MAGA, anti-Trump, got smoked by allegedly not a great candidate, Randy Fine. You talk about Fishback, Fishback got smoked.

• 35:24Speaker 05

  And the reason that Byron Donalds, in my opinion, didn't want to debate him, because he wasn't respectful. He was genuinely racist, anti-Semitic, and a, just a hot air candidate. Talented, but did not have, did not have the goods to actually deliver. And the voters showed that.

• 35:41Speaker 00

  Adam, Adam, hang on. Jared Moskowitz, stay right there, stay right there, stay right there, stay right there on this one. That position is arrogant. Whether you're right or wrong is a different story. The guy got 14%, 12%. He got 140,000 votes. How much is the vote that he got?

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Fishback got 177, Renner got 145, Jay Collins got 426.

• 36:04Speaker 00

  177,000 people voted for this guy. Why?

• 36:08Speaker 05

  In Florida.

• 36:09Speaker 00

  Why?

• 36:09Speaker 05

  I'm not, I'm not dismissing that. I'm saying that he was rejected though.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  It doesn't, so then, so then what you do is like, for instance, how do I feel about Nick Fuentes? What is my thoughts about Nick Fuentes?

• 36:20Speaker 05

  I'm not gonna put words.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Well, very talented debater, he's very good.

• 36:23Speaker 00

  I'm comfortable you saying whatever I've said behind closed doors or in camera, I'm not.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  You said he's, he's very good speaker, debater, he knows, he's smart.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Why'd I bring him here and talk to him?

• 36:33Speaker 05

  Well, you're, you're a different breed of person. You'll, you'll have a conversation with anybody.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  Bro, like we are, like this is a part right now where the conservatives have to sit there and listen to people. What are you upset about? Half the time when you're running a company, your job is to host the town hall and say, what are you not happy with? Can we do something?

• 36:48Speaker 05

  But what's your one rule when somebody comes on the podcast? Until you actually disrespect them, you will be respectful. Until they disrespect you. If someone's disrespecting you to your face, would you actually debate that person?

• 36:59Speaker 00

  By the way, if, if I get.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Respect is a big thing.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  Hang on, you're right, it is. And that's why I said to Nick, and he came, he was very respectful. But I also had the other guy from, what was the young guy? Thomas Russo. And he was like even further than when Nick is at. I mean, he's not even like, but you know what? I want to know why, why they're upset about it. And, and you know what? A part of me understands saying, this is my country, I'm white. I'm a nationalist. You came here, you took jobs away from others. Okay, fair, that's a good argument that you're making. Let's see where the leak is there, or maybe there's a leak in my argument. But to me, if you go into UFC, if you go into boxing, if you go into politics, and you're worried about getting offended, get the hell out of the business.

• 37:40Speaker 05

  I didn't say, I didn't say offended.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  Disrespected? Wait, how many times a day does Trump get disrespected? You're in the big boy arena, buddy. Don't get into this business. This is a nasty business. Go, go, go roll and find clips about, there's a guy that 90% of the videos he does is about me. I mean, I've had girls that were crazy about, I've never had any man be disinfatuated by me. But it's free market. Go make the clips. So to me, a part of it is, a part of it is, if you're in the game, if you're going into politics to debate, I'm not in that space. I'm not raising my, saying I want to go. But if you're raising your hand to say you're gonna be the governor of a state, you have to be willing to talk to the other guys. Short term, there won't be impact. Watch the impact in 10 years.

• 38:26Speaker 00

  Watch the impact in 10 years.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  I agree. And, and look.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  All I'm saying.

• 38:29Speaker 05

  Well, ultimately what I'm saying is this. The, the, the Democratic Party, like Republican fighting is actually at an all-time high right now, since, since Trump, because of the Charlie Kirk thing. And because of the allegations and made-up stories regarding the assassination. And a lot of it stemmed from that and then which stemmed from Israel. But what, what I'm ultimately saying is this. The Democratic Party, not only are they not rejecting the DSA, they're embracing it.

• 38:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  Ilhan Omar, Mamdani, Al Sayed from Michigan out there. That's the new face of the party. The Republican Party has basically said, hey, Dan Bilzerian, hey, James Fishback, hey, Oliver Larkin, hey, Thomas Massey, you're no longer welcome here. You do have valid arguments, which we can discuss, but you as a candidate, you gots to go.

• 39:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, and by the way, there's a, there's a difference, like James worked hard.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  I'm not saying he's not talented.

• 39:24Speaker 00

  I think Dan didn't, Dan tried to use his massive following to win, but James did the work.

• 39:29Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 39:30Speaker 00

  So, so you gotta give credit.

• 39:31Speaker 05

  Dan Bilzerian was the laziest candidate I've ever seen in my life.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  Listen, James and I may not be on the same page with policies, but I respect the hell out of the way that he campaigned.

• 39:40Speaker 05

  He works. And he trolls. And he does his thing. And the American and the Florida, the Florida voters were like, yeah, we're not into it.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  You know what Nick said on the podcast, and I think he even made this comment a few weeks ago, he says, if there's one thing about Charlie, nobody worked like he did. I asked him a question, I said, what compliment can he give to Charlie? He says, dude, I can't work like he does. He says, I respect the hell out of his work ethic. So you, you gotta know, long-term, there are some young cats that are willing to work their asses off and they're gonna exploit your arrogance and entitled attitude. The way competition works, the moment you get entitled, arrogant, and you start thinking like, oh, I already got this, you're gonna get your ass handed to you.

• 40:23Speaker 05

  I agree with you.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Capitalism, capitalism has no sympathy for you. And it could careless how old you are, what skin color you are, how rich you are, how wealthy you are, it could careless.

• 40:29Speaker 05

  Have you been following what Nick is saying about Charlie these days?

• 40:32Speaker 00

  No.

• 40:33Speaker 05

  He's been very complimentary of Charlie. He'll always add, look, we didn't get along, we were not friends, and we didn't see eye to eye, but compliment, compliment, compliment, compliment, compliment. And all those fake, fake stories out there don't add up. I'll give him credit for that.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  And with this, with this whole thing, I think that the bigger picture is this DSA thing, because think about it. Everybody Chuck Schumer's backing Adam, all this, you know, Vinnie, but by the way, you guys remember who Alex Vindman is? From Ukraine, lieutenant, colonel, he was behind the whole Russia collusion hoax, freaking impeachment. Didn't want to out the whistleblower who didn't have firsthand of the call that they tried to, you want to talk about the deep state operative? I love what Trump said about him. Think about that, $16 million, guys. Didn't do, she had $975,000 and she won. And this again goes back on the Democrats. You guys have the deep state people with all the money and everything, but nobody wants them. And this goes to blame on the Democrats. They're going after this DSA nonsense pack. And on a national level, we haven't seen anything nationally yet. This is all

• 41:33Speaker 02

  just local governorships and everything. Wait until 2028, when AOC freezing her eggs, now she's single and everything. I want to see what on the national level, if all that hate.

• 41:44Speaker 00

  I'm gonna say this to you, Vinnie.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 00

  The best thing going on with Republicans right now is the fact that socialists are beating Democrats. There is nothing better than that happening.

• 41:57Speaker 05

  Amen.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  If the Republicans.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  We did it, we talked about Quiznos the other day. Where Quiznos went from zero to 5,000 and then all of a sudden they lost it all. They're down to 132 different stores and Subway crushed them and they got 40,000 stores. And at one point, everybody would go to Quiznos, Mesquite Chicken, you know.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Oh, the soup.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Broccoli, cheese, it was the best. But you know what happened to them? Even though they were served, hey, guess what, Quiznos? I know you want to take out Subway. We're going to give you a wild card. You won't even believe what happened. What? The face of the guy Subway, Jared, just got caught.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  With underage kids.

• 42:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:31Speaker 00

  That was like the greatest layup. And Quiznos dropped the effing ball.

• 42:37Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  And they went bankrupt in 2014. How? Nobody has any clue how this happens. But the Republicans are being handed a beautiful layup. If you don't have a solution for guys his age on what to do with affordability and it's just lip service, if you don't have a solution for his age, socialists have a shot at winning. You can't get arrogant and entitled.

• 42:58Speaker 05

  I agree, I agree.

• 42:59Speaker 00

  I want to go through stories to John right now. So John, the Duffy's, Sean Duffy, uh, uh, uh, Clip and Campos, their wife, his wife. Um, story comes out about them talking about their daughter going to Harvard. And I'm going to come to you with this one here. This was viral all over the place. Go for it, guys.

• 43:16Speaker 12

  To Harvard?

• 43:18Speaker 13

  Yeah.

• 43:18Speaker 12

  Well, me and mom can say no.

• 43:22Speaker 13

  Catholicism to us is everything. It's the basis of our marriage. It's the basis of our family. So I'm nervous about the idea of Paloma going to Harvard. We spend a lot of time nurturing and providing formation for our kids, giving them an environment where they are steeped in faith and values. And so the idea of dropping her off at a place that would undermine that or try to undo all those things makes me worried.

• 43:50Speaker 12

  And again, I don't want them to get one viewpoint. I want them to get a lot of different viewpoints, but I don't want them fed only one viewpoint that's contrary to the way my kids were raised. Listen, my, my problem is we have thought about how we raised you and how hard we've worked to, I think, raise what is a remarkable young girl. If I send you there, I think what happens is they have professionalized, figuring out how they can take good young girls like you and I think corrupt their minds. You don't have to believe what I believe. You don't have to have the political viewpoints that I have, but I do think it's important that you make those choices for yourself and you have a fair representation of what they are.

• 44:34Speaker 12

  And I don't think the Harvards of the world give you that kind of well-rounded picture.

• 44:39Speaker 00

  So you're, you're in University of Michigan right now?

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  Okay. Do you agree with them? Should they be this worried about sending their daughter to Harvard?

• 44:46Speaker 04

  No, I disagree. And I, this may be controversial, but I think that oftentimes these things can be solved by maybe having more involved parents. I think that, uh, you know, if you do a good enough job raising your kid, you send them off to some school where they're going to teach them things that are liberal or immoral. It's, it's going to run off them like water on a raincoat. Frankly, they don't even rely so much on the information. They rely more on the moralizing. So again, I'm shocked. I'm in these classes expecting them to tell me about how like evil the founding fathers are. And we read these primary texts from before the country was even established and they talk about how the founding fathers were very skeptical of democracy, very skeptical of giving the franchise to people who didn't own land. So they had all of these attitudes that were very anti-democratic and there was never any, so therefore they're evil.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  Like they counted on the incumbent moralizing of the students, like going into it thinking, oh, that's scary. There was no challenges to, and so this is wrong because obviously XYZ. They're giving you the information accurately and they're counting on the cultural programming to make you interpret it in a way that's already negative. And if you do a good enough job, I think in the household, you can send your kid anywhere. And now they go to Harvard, they now have a degree from an Ivy League school and they're going to be able to use that to benefit themselves, to do something great. And there's the risk, I guess, that they become a little crazy. But again, you know, there are plenty, some of the best, actually, most conservative, most effective people are right now working at, I think, the college Republicans at Harvard, like very smart guys. And so there is debate, there is that kind of stuff going on. I think that sometimes parents are just maybe a little bit too relaxed and then they give their kid freedom for the first time.

• 46:11Speaker 04

  They come back to Thanksgiving dinner and all of a sudden someone tried to teach them something for the first time in their lives and so it resonated with them. And it's like, where were you? You know, were you sitting down with your kids, asking them about what they're learning at school, taking them to church? Or did you just kind of sit at the lazy boy and then for the first time in your kid's life, someone tried to connect with them and all of a sudden it worked and you're like blaming the college? I think that's misguided.

• 46:30Speaker 00

  Very, very good feedback. What did your parents do when you were about to go to college? How did they shape your mindset from 14 to 18, then off to college?

• 46:37Speaker 04

  I was always expected that I was going to go to school and then I decided I wanted to kind of go work for myself and do social media and content creation. They'll tell the story now that they supported that decision. That is not true. When I told them I dropped out, they were both very, because my dad, you know, he's, he built his own business. So I, I thought that he would understand.

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Were they both conservative? They're both conservative?

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. And they did not, they did not support it. And my dad though, he has the integrity to acknowledge that now. My mom, not so much. I was always your biggest cheerleader.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  So funny. We love you, mom and dad. He's just, he's just joking with you, but maybe he's not. So, okay, Tom, what would you say? You know, you, you guys, your daughter Bailey had 1560 on her SATs, had a 1600, high GPA, capable of going to any school. What decision did you guys make, you and your wife?

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Well, we were talking to her early on about, you know, liberal colleges and she was on the board for golf scholarship at Georgetown. But as she chose her major and then said, you know, I really have discovered that if you go play golf at Georgetown, they want you to get a poly sci degree or take something that doesn't have a, a lot of rigor to it so you can dedicate yourself to the scholarship they're giving you to play golf. And so there was that whole mechanism of the student athlete. But we were, I was a little concerned about, you know, the, the liberal side of it. And we, we looked at it and I said, you know, uh, my daughter's strong and she's going to be able to, to roll through it, but I didn't want her to go study just liberal arts at an Ivy League school.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  Uh, we looked at Wharton and we looked at their balance program because Wharton has an undergrad program. It's not just a grad school at Penn. And ultimately she said, when she settled on her major, then we started looking at the schools and she selected where she selected, which was, you know, 42% conservative and moderate. It's like only about 5, 10% conservative and about 29% moderate. This is Rice and everything else is liberal or very liberal. So, but you said about water off your back. Bailey is strong and Bailey is not out there.

• 48:34Speaker 00

  Were you worried though? Were you worried that even they could get somebody like Bailey?

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Uh, I was, yeah, you're always worried, but what percent are you worried?

• 48:42Speaker 00

  I've, I've never been worried about Bailey.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. I, I wasn't worried, but I was, I recognized the influence is going to be there and I was like, okay, how many trips can I make? What can I do? How can I stay close as a family? How do you keep the dialogue? Because they live incredibly busy lives.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  So ultimately her major and where she selected worked out really well. But we had a lot of conversations about this and we also had a lot of conversation about what we would see on campus with the, um, with the cancel culture and what was happening at that time. Remember, remember what year this is? She's a junior now. So what was going on three years ago?

• 49:16Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was a, you know what? Don't be Jewish on campus was more of a worry than, than don't be conservative on campus. Cause there were, you know, Jewish students.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  She became Jewish?

• 49:25Speaker 03

  No, no, no. No, I'm talking about Jewish students.

• 49:28Speaker 05

  I didn't think she would do it. I'm so excited for.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  Adam, of all people, you shouldn't be joking. Jewish students at Columbia were being actively persecuted with fears of physical harm walking across campus in New York City in the United States of America, right?

• 49:42Speaker 04

  Adam's a self-hating Jew.

• 49:44Speaker 00

  Okay, well, I mean, listen, to, to me, uh, you know, when I talk to the kids and we, we talk about what college to go to, Martin, our job is to shape their mindset. When we took him to, he went to Yale for three weeks at a camp and the person that signed him in was a transgender. When he's getting his ID.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  I remember that.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  And he's like, what's going? I said, buddy, I, I prepped you. It's going to be a little weird, man. You're going to go to a completely different environment. And he was 13 years old and he's kind of like, hey, you need a little bit of that friction to come back and process, come back and process, come back. One of the great things about a sales leader, if you, you know, I love sales, anybody that's in the sales business, I think if salespeople stop tomorrow, the world would stop. But great sales leaders, you know what they do with rookie salespeople? Here's what they do. You go and run three appointments today. At the end of the night, a great sales leader will make the phone call to you at 10 o'clock and will say, walk me through what happened in the appointments today. What objections did they give you? How did you overcome it? What did you say? Where did you get stuck? Let's role play. You be them, I'll be, I'll be the, uh, salesperson, you be the customer. And you role play.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  So when the kids go through something, how was your day? What happened? What came up? Here's what they said. What do you, so what was your response? What did you get stuck on? This is what, dad, one of the guys said this. And what do you think about that? Because they told me in the history that George Washington was a slave owner and how do you feel about that? So you need to have that follow-up. If you don't have that conversation with them, they could get lost. Adam, what do you do with your seven kids?

• 51:05Speaker 03

  With my seven kids? Well, uh, I agree with our friend John here. Listen, if you, you go to Harvard, if you've worked your tail off in high school and you've done so well for yourself and you get admitted to Harvard, you go to Harvard. But if you're that father, you have that conversation, hey, I want you to prepare for this. There's multiple, multiple levels with this. By the way, we're talking about Sean Duffy, who was the current transportation secretary, I believe. Who was the former?

• 51:33Speaker 05

  Pete Buttigieg.

• 51:34Speaker 03

  Pete Buttigieg.

• 51:35Speaker 05

  Butt.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  Where did Buttigieg go to college? To Harvard. So there's some stuff going on there behind the scenes. Meanwhile, I looked up where Sean Duffy went. Went to a small, private Catholic school in Minnesota. So there's some, there's some behind the scenes there. But here, I'll tell you a story. You talked about Jewish kids going to Harvard. You know my friend Keith?

• 51:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  He's got a nephew.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  Right.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  Stud. Absolute stud of a kid. 6'4", built like a, like just an absolute stud. I said, you're Jewish, you're a stud, you go to Harvard, how's antisemitism on campus? He goes, yeah, it sucks. Nobody's messing with me though, bro. I'll kick their ass. I go, what do you mean? He goes, they're all liberal weirdos. Think I'm scared of these guys? I was like, oh, I didn't even think about that. He goes, they'll take 10 of them to mess with me. I was like, wow, look at that. He goes, let me tell you the upside of Harvard. You have no idea who you're going to meet here. He goes, it's the best of the best of the best from around the world. I have billionaire son friends, I got investor friends. He goes, as soon as I graduate, boom, I'm making millions.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  He goes, you're not going to liberal indoctrinate me or have me hate being, or not proud being Jewish. I'm going to show up and be a gangster. Max is, I don't know, probably 21 now, he's probably ready to graduate.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  Is this Keith's nephew?

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Nephew.

• 52:49Speaker 00

  Oh, nephew, I haven't met him, yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  But when you go, you know, you say you are the, some of the five people you hang out with the most. I've met some of his friends. Absolute studs. He goes, it's bad, but it, don't get, uh, don't get fooled, uh, by, by some, some of the stuff that's going on here.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  You can become who you want to become.

• 53:05Speaker 00

  All right.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  If you can get into Harvard, you go to Harvard. Just don't go woke, you go broke.

• 53:09Speaker 00

  Okay. All right. So having said that, let's get into the next story. Next story I want to get into is, uh, what's going on with, are you guys following what, what people are saying nowadays with this Lindsay?

• 53:21Speaker 00

  Clancy story, or you got, I'm sure your phone was really close.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Vinnie, Vinnie hasn't slept in four days. Pat, when I bring it up, and John, I know you have some stuff to say about it. People are mad, like, you don't know, and she's this, and it was the husband. And I'm like, well, you, what the hell are you talking about?

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Let's go through some of this stuff, because Candace also commented on this. I want to play that clip as well, and I want to get some of your thoughts on where people are at with this. So, to do a quick recap, she asks her husband to leave. He leaves, one by one by one with a gym, what do you call it?

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Well, workout band.

• 53:52Speaker 00

  Workout band.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Workout band, yeah.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  She, she ends up taking, killing her eight-month-old, her three-year-old, and a five-year-old. If I'm getting it wrong, correct me there. And then, she was on a bunch of SSR, you know, SSRIs medication prior to that. Even went to a mental hospital, then they released her saying she's okay. She's gonna be fine, and, yes, she's got some stuff, but she's dealing with, but she's gonna be okay. They let her go. Then she comes back, this happens, now people are protesting, women are protesting outside, saying it's not her fault.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  And she tried to kill herself, like, when the husband walked in, Pat, neck slit, she tried to kill herself. She jumped off the, her house, she's paralyzed.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  The second, she tried to jump out the second story of her house, and so they're filming themselves hanging out of windows, too, and, you know, to stand in solidarity.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  Okay, so let's play some of the clips, let's play some of the clips, and I'm, I want to come to you guys. So here's one, I'm gonna play three or four clips, so this is one of the clips, go for it.

• 54:40Speaker 06

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side, but Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked $350,000 for Genyans' healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com, not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 55:11Speaker 07

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration blog, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses, setup required, compatibility and availability varies, 18 plus.

• 55:36Speaker 14

  USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day, like superheroes and sidekicks, or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. Tap the banner to learn more and get a quote at USAA dot com slash bundle. Restrictions apply.

• 55:51Speaker 15

  Fall tastes better with better ingredients from Whole Foods Market. No added growth hormones or antibiotics in their meat department means slow-braise short ribs are even more satisfying. All seafood is wild-caught, like their vibrant sockeye salmon, or verified responsibly farmed. And all sweets, including fall-themed cookies, are made without high-fructose corn syrup. Spice up fall at Whole Foods Market.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  What's going on here? These are people supporting her.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Thousands of women that are, are.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  Supporting her.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Supporting her, yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay, right outside, so they're supporting her to say it's not her fault, and she kind of went through it. Okay, can we go through, one of the clips of somebody that's describing what happens and why it's not her fault? You know, one of the clips, uh, uh, go ahead.

• 56:45Speaker 16

  I felt like the system failed her.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  The system failed her.

• 56:48Speaker 16

  She was begging for help, but no one was there. I don't know if us being here will make her feel any better, but, I mean, she's living in hell right now.

• 56:55Speaker 17

  Just wanted to support Lindsay and just say, it could be, you know, one of my sister-in-laws, it could be one of my best friends, and it could be me. So, just here to support. We are hearing her, we see that she tried everything. And I really do believe that she went into a state of psychosis.

• 57:11Speaker 18

  Clancy's supporters call her attorney Kevin Reddington "a champion of women's rights." Is she aware of this support, and what does she think of this support?

• 57:20Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go in and see her right now, I'm sure that she is, and if she isn't, she will be.

• 57:24Speaker 17

  What do you think about?

• 57:26Speaker 01

  She's so beat up, and just so, uh, sad, but this will really help her out, I think.

• 57:33Speaker 18

  Tell her we love her. The crowd of about 200 to 300 people lined the road as Lindsay Clancy was brought into the courthouse.

• 57:41Speaker 00

  Okay, so, can you pause it, and then if you, I think you guys sent a clip from Candace, if you want to play that as well, and here's Candace's position, go for it.

• 57:49Speaker 19

  I made my thoughts clear on this, the moment that she, um, was arrested, the moment that it made the news, Lindsay Clancy is obviously not guilty, there are a fleet of doctors who should be imprisoned for what they put her on. I regularly speak out against Big Pharma, uh, they get away with murder all the time, and in this case, they are getting away with the murder of, really, her three children, but also completely destroyed her life. Lindsay Clancy, in my opinion, is not guilty. Uh, she was put into a, an intentional psychosis, when she probably just needed to give her kids away for a weekend to get better, but they constantly give you these drugs that do not make things better.

• 58:29Speaker 19

  And the cocktail of 10 pharmaceuticals that she was on is absolute madness, absolute madness.

• 58:35Speaker 00

  So you can pause it, and then go to the last one with this lady, and then, uh, we'll get into it, go for it. The one that you guys are telling me you want to show, I haven't seen this one, so, no, no, the one you just texted me, the one you just texted me.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  That's her on the bottom, right?

• 58:47Speaker 00

  Guys, this one, you just, literally, you just texted me to say, this is the one you want to play.

• 58:53Speaker 00

  Is that the one, or is it a different one?

• 58:54Speaker 20

  In January of 2023, Lindsay.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  Go ahead.

• 58:57Speaker 20

  Clancy, a Massachusetts mother of three, strangled her three kids to death in her basement with exercise bans. They were five, three, and eight months old. Her trial is this week, she's being charged with first-degree murder, and the question is whether or not she was undergoing a psychotic episode and didn't mean it, or is she?

• 59:14Speaker 00

  So, John, where's your position at with this? So on one end, a lot of these women that are following, saying it's not her fault, it's the doctor's fault, you know, they medicated her, were trying to find a solution for this, and then some are saying, wait a minute, this, she just killed her three kids, what do you mean it's not her fault? What's your position?

• 59:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know if this has been your guys' experience, but in my experience, I tend to find that women struggle with accountability sometimes, and so I think that, you know, it makes sense that they would all want to take to the streets and say that they sympathize with her, because they could see themselves doing that, which, if you're a mother, that's kind of a disturbing thing to, to say if you have children, you know, putting that idea into their mind, that, like, you perhaps could have had a bad day and killed them, but I think she's obviously guilty. I think that everything people are trying to do here is absolve her of guilt by saying it's the system's fault, which the subtext of that is it's like the male-dominated system or something. All of the doctors who wrote her those prescriptions were female doctors. She was also doctor-shopping specifically for medications, like she was.

• 1:00:06Speaker 00

  All the doctors that gave it to her were female doctors?

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, she was, so not only, she was going out of her way to get these medications, and then she was also getting them, I believe, from, if not all, like, primarily female doctors. And people who are in psychosis, you can see body cam footage of this, they try to fight police officers. If she were actually in, like, a psychotic episode, she would have not waited for her husband to leave, she wouldn't have commanded him to leave, she would have tried to take on her entire family, and then also, too, you mentioned she tried to commit suicide. I don't know if I buy that, I think that maybe she murdered her three children, and then she got into a situation where she realized what she had done, and she felt remorse, because the cuts that she'd made on herself had stopped bleeding by the time the husband came back, uh, the, a way that she'd, like, cut her neck wasn't, like, that bad, and even the medication she took was found to be at, like, sustainable levels in her system.

• 1:00:48Speaker 04

  So, her attempt to cut herself and her attempt to overdose on drugs doesn't seem to be indicative of someone who clearly is able to take life. It seemed like she was kind of doing a half-measure or something, perhaps to justify this, I was just psychotic, I didn't mean to, because she knew at that point that was her only legal defense.

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  Vinnie.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  So, okay, and I, I, I, I agree with John to a certain extent, and, and I want everybody to understand this, and we all know this. Mental illness is real, and I'm not a woman, so I don't know, but postpartum psychosis, depression, all that is real. And mothers who are suffering, they obviously deserve compassion, treatment, and help, but compassion, and you know how we are about accountability, cannot mean you abandon that, you cannot abandon accountability. And this is what bothers me, Pat, about the whole situation. Her defense says, "Postpartum psychosis explains how a loving mother could strangle three of her children." But guess what? Millions and millions of people around the world suffer from mental illness, millions hear voices, they have horrific thoughts, they'd never murder anyone. Okay, and they're on all, all types of drugs, okay?

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  Mental illness cannot automatically erase your moral responsibility. And Pat, in our search to find out Lindsay and what happened and this or that, you know who we can't find out about, forget about? Are those three kids, okay? That's who you, dude, stop all this nonsense, Cora, Dawson, and Callan, okay? For four minutes, she's strangling one, and the other ones are sitting there, watching mommy. I understand all the, guys, I get it, I get it, and we have friends here that have wives, and they've been through, and they have family members. Do not forget about these three freaking kids that had the worst, last moments on this earth in their life, okay? They should be alive, they should be able to grow up, go to school, fall in love, and have families of their own, okay? Those lives matter, all right?

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  So we can have compassion for this mental illness without excusing evil. We can show mercy without abandoning justice, and whatever explanation ultimately comes out in this courtroom, okay? It should never erase what happened to these three innocent children. Put all that nonsense aside, God rest their souls, because I know where they are right now, but don't forget about them. That's what I have to say about that.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  Amen to that. I don't need to say anything more than that. The, just the prayers to the grandparents, the friends, the family, the other little kids that are at school that went to classes, you know, went to kindergarten with the older one, and he's not there anymore. And they gotta explain that to these little kids of what happened to their little friends. Yeah, Vinny, God bless you. Amen. There are three things going on here, and all three of them, you know, are of deep concern. Number one, postpartum is real. And the people that are out there trying to raise attention for postpartum, so it can be treated properly, are out there using this as a flag. Second thing, SSRIs and the pharmaceutical industry that is out there that wants to invent new drugs, you know, for profit, that's what they do. They're out there, and there's a group

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  out there saying, wait a minute, the pharmaceutical industry, the SSRIs and the cocktails are being inappropriately, you know, prescribed, and it's creating problems here. There's that camp. And then there's the camp that is like, you know, was she competent to stand trial or not? Or was she insane? We, we go through immense amount of testing in this country before we grant the insanity defense. And so, you know, it, was she insane? Or was she not insane? Is she capable of standing trial? If she capable of standing trial, she's accountable. But the other two camps, I believe that the postpartum people mean well, and they're trying to raise awareness for it, but they're using this case as a flag. See, we told you. And then

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  you have the people over there that are, the doctors should be in prison. And by the way, that's the Candace camp. The Candace camp is, look at what these physicians were prescribing, look at the drugs they're using, look at the cocktail that's out there, the doctors should be in prison. That's their camp. And so, this has become this big lasagna, Pat, where everything's kind of mixed together. It's, is she insane or not? Do you believe postpartum? Yes. Do you gotta get treatment? You gotta get investment for that to help? And then is the cocktail being inappropriately administered?

• 1:04:54Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  Adam?

• 1:04:56Speaker 05

  I actually think Candace has a point here. And I'll explain why. This is not a black and white issue. This is not guilty, innocent. There's a lot of nuance here. And I didn't think that I would even go deep on this story, but I did. What I've realized is that that's postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis are not the same thing at all.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:05:17Speaker 05

  Depression, anxiety, sadness, all the fears that come with that, all that kind of stuff. Psychosis, you're having, it's like you're taking crazy pills. There's voices in your head. There were voices in her head telling you, kill your kids. There's voices doing this. Now, where I think Candace has a point, look, I'll just come out and say, I think Candace is dead wrong about Charlie. Dead wrong. On this, she has a point. With this cocktail of drugs this lady was on, Kalladipin, Azadipin, Adadipin, Azanex, and the doctors are prescribing this? And knowing that she is on all these pills? What could go wrong with a person who's clinically depressed or has psychosis with all these pills? What could possibly happen? Well, we

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  found out what happened. Three of her kids are dead. So, the, the, the doctors are gonna have some accountability here. That's why I'll agree with that. Now, here's where I'll, I'll land this plane. Do I think that she's gonna be convicted of first degree murder? I don't think so. Will it be manslaughter or kid slaughter?

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  But Adam, that mental, and I'm, I'm so sorry, but that mental illness, you can't erase what she did, Adam. And those, and I, and I, and this is all I'm gonna say for the last time. Imagine being eight months, three years old and five, I don't know the order of how she killed them, and you're watching mommy, I don't care, you're killing.

• 1:06:41Speaker 05

  I'm with you a million percent.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  And so accountability, Adam, there's so many people out there that are batshit crazy every day that hear stuff, they don't go through with it.

• 1:06:50Speaker 05

  I'll ask you one simple question.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 05

  And, and I think it's something that Pat would do. What percentage do you think this was her willfully doing this? And what percentage was it the drugs?

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  I think it was, I think it was, like, he said the greatest cocktail. I don't know percentage.

• 1:07:07Speaker 05

  But just, in your opinion, this is all just opinion.

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  Say, say one more time.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  What percentage was her doing it? What percentage was caused because of taking the drugs?

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  Seventy, thirty. She was, she's.

• 1:07:17Speaker 00

  She's the one that did it.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  Postpartum depression.

• 1:07:18Speaker 00

  I'm with him. I'm with him.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Seventy, thirty.

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  So you think it's mostly her?

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  And then thirty percent the drugs?

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:24Speaker 05

  I see it kind of inversely.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Well, and again, I'm not mad. That's, that's your opinion.

• 1:07:29Speaker 00

  Look, Adam, how many people take SSRIs? Can you pull up how many people take SSRIs?

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  Oh, believe me, if, I'm not gonna defend the overmedicated community. It's disgusting.

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  No, but what I'm saying to you is, how many people take, the basic way to do the math on this is, how many people in US take SSRIs?

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  But can I give you one more, please?

• 1:07:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:07:43Speaker 05

  How many people take this many SSRIs? How many people are taking ten pills at a time like that?

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Well, I heard, but I heard she wasn't, but she wasn't taking all fourteen or all that.

• 1:07:52Speaker 04

  She, so she was prescribed all these things. She was dosing them herself too. So she wasn't taking all of them that she was prescribed. And also, I'm pretty sure when you get these prescriptions, you have to answer the doctors, are you taking any other medication? So, maybe they were over prescribing. She could have lied, but then, is that not her fault? She chose to then lie?

• 1:08:09Speaker 05

  And I agree with that.

• 1:08:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I think that, you know.

• 1:08:10Speaker 00

  And by the way, by the way, just when you, a few things. Husband was well off. He made good money, working from home. Family was supportive, had access to nanny, allegedly, all these things that are in place, that she's going through this. And you, you know, you're like, this is the one thing that is probably, nobody is in more pain right now. Of course, the three kids, they're no longer with us. Imagine being the husband, and what are you replaying? You know what you're replaying? Why did I leave her alone with the kids?

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  Nonstop.

• 1:08:41Speaker 00

  If you know your wife, or anybody in the family is dealing with something like this, imagine it's like, why did I leave? He's gonna, by the way, he's gonna replay that for the rest of his life.

• 1:08:55Speaker 05

  There's a, and I'm not even putting this out there, there's a chance he might be on suicide watch right now. Are you kidding me? Your entire life was evaporated in a twenty minute run to the convenience store.

• 1:09:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. I don't know. I mean, when, when you get issues like this that happen, you have to be very careful to not put the onus on the individual. Because if you don't put the onus on the individual, other people will look at this, and be inspired to say, well, I did it, and it wasn't my fault. It was because of what you gave me.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 1:09:17Speaker 00

  So you have to be very, very careful with messaging.

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  I agree with that.

• 1:09:21Speaker 00

  Of what some people can take this and, you know, it's like, why did I walk out of the movie Joker? Because the Joker said, killing the capitalist, you become a hero, and then Luigi Mangione becomes a hero, and look what he's got going on today. And it's like, yeah, I did kill the guy. I'm telling you, I did kill the guy. What are you gonna do about it? I did. Here's what I did. Yeah, Mangione.

• 1:09:37Speaker 05

  And there's still people defending him.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  And no, but you think Luigi's gonna be the last man, the last one doing that? No way. Watch what's gonna happen next few years. Watch what's gonna happen next few years. So you just, you just gotta be careful with the messaging and how you're allowing people to have an alibi. I lost a friend, and I went to the dentist that kept giving him Vicodin. And the guy that was selling him the Vicodin, I went up to that kid, I know his name till today. And I, he would buy this from the dentist at four dollars a pop, he would buy the Vicodin from, and he sold it to my guy. And my guy took it, and he, and he passed away, took fifty pills of Vicodin one night, and he was done. And I took the Vicodin, I took the Vicodin out of his hands in the back of a Shakey's restaurant in Glendale. That

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  visualization never goes away. So, I also put, you know, a, a fair amount of responsibility on these doctors and what they're doing on the side. A lot of these guys need to lose their licenses. That's credible. There's a lot of these people that are doing, they need to, there needs to be examples made of these guys losing their license.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  That's essentially what Candace was saying, no?

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  Well, that part I'm with, but we have to make sure we're measured to put the onus on the individual and not have an out, because somebody else will step up and say, that's why I did it. I didn't do it. It wasn't my fault. It wasn't my fault. It wasn't my fault. So, we just, we, we have to be very, this is a very, very sensitive topic that we're going through. Okay, let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is a story of Sophie Cunningham. Okay, so Sophie Cunningham hints at WNBA Commissioner Shakeup as she goes after Kathy Engelbert. If you guys got the clip in the back, you want to get that prepared. I'll read the story, and then we'll go to the clip. Indiana FIFA Guard Sophie Cunningham suggested WNBA Commissioner Kathy Engelbert's job could be open up for this season. Let me know if you guys found that clip on X. There's a clip on this on

• 1:11:19Speaker 00

  X, if you want to find it. You do, you do have a person in power who is bold, who is confident, who wants to be the best for the players, and not maybe for themselves all the time. Cunningham told USA Today. So I do feel like, as a whole, that could be a position that's maybe open at the end of the year, but that's not my call. Let me read that one more time. I do feel like, as a whole, that could be a position that's maybe open at the end of the year. What are you talking about? That means the commissioner position's maybe open at the end of the year, she added. Kathy Engelbert's done a lot of good things, but with where our league is trying to go, I feel like you just want someone who also wants that. That's up to the NBA Commissioner Adam Silver at the end of the

• 1:12:02Speaker 00

  day. Sophie Cunningham is calling out, directly saying, Adam, at the end of the day, you're the top brass. You gotta make a decision. Silver was noncommittal at NBA Summer League in mid-July. I think Kathy continues to do a strong job building that league, while noting we'll have ongoing discussions about the future, looks like. He praised the tremendous progress under Engelbert, including contentious March CBA and six expansion teams through 2030. Engelbert has drawn fire over player relationship and social justice handling with Minnesota link star, Nafisha Collier also voicing displeasure. Tom, why is this so important that a superstar like, Kaitlyn, Kaitlyn Clark is the superstar, but nobody

• 1:12:42Speaker 00

  is getting more voice and heard on her opinions than Sophie? Katie may be the superstar, Sophie's the voice, spokesperson for a lot of these people that don't have the courage to say it. Why is this so important, Tom?

• 1:12:54Speaker 05

  Because I think there's one word about Cunningham's position, authentic. And the second word I put under there is fair. She has been authentic and fair. She has not been bombastic, and people are seeing the authenticity. Even Kaitlyn Clark has kind of stepped back from some things that she could have, should have said, or, or taken a position on, and she wanted to be noncommittal, where Sophie Cunningham is not. And she's like, hey, this is here.

• 1:13:49Speaker 07

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies 18 plus.

• 1:14:14Speaker 08

  How many discounts does USAA Auto Insurance offer? Too many to say here. Multi-vehicle discount, safe driver discount, uh, new vehicle discount, storage discount, legacy discount.

• 1:14:23Speaker 09

  How many discounts will you stack up? Tap the banner or visit usaa.com/autodisc counts. Restrictions apply.

• 1:14:29Speaker 10

  Did you know that mosquitoes have killed almost half of all people who have ever lived? Today, people are fighting back. With support from the Gates Foundation, American scientists and partners around the world have developed a new generation of bed nets that can kill up to 90% of mosquitoes exposed to them, helping cut malaria rates in half. The result? A safer, healthier future for everyone. The Gates Foundation, partners of human potential. Search gatesfoundation.org/mosquito to learn more.

• 1:14:59Speaker 05

  This statement by Sophie Cunningham is very, very clear. And by the way, what's even more clear is, Pat, you understand it as a leader, Adam Silver has been non-committal. And you know why he can be non-committal? You know what the expiration date on Angor's contract is?

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  Who's, who's contract?

• 1:15:16Speaker 05

  Kathy.

• 1:15:17Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:15:18Speaker 05

  December 31st, 2026. He doesn't have to say anything.

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:15:23Speaker 05

  He can let it roll out. Her contract's up at the end of the year. He doesn't have to get into a media firestorm. He can get to the end of the year, he can decide what they're gonna do, put somebody else there, and so, and by the way, I don't blame him. But to your point on her, she's authentic and non-bombastic, Pat, and that's why people listen to her.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  John, where are you at? I know very little about the WNBA.

• 1:15:45Speaker 00

  I thought for sure you're like a diehard NBA fan.

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  Bro, it's the weakest sport in the world. Wake up!

• 1:15:49Speaker 00

  Where you at? Where you been?

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  I just, I was thinking about this the other day, and it's almost as if this was a plan, Tom, like, like an attempt to bring some attention to a sport. Yes, they're making the money, but it's just unwatchable. Look at the attention, guys. This is, I think, what, the fourth week? We're talking about it. We have so many issues that we talk about. They're bringing this, they're doing that, transgender's this, all this type of situation. I think this might be a per, like, a real, purposeful ploy to bring people and eyeballs and everything, and you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if they actually let some biological men come on that court because at least it would make it watchable. I tried, I'm not even joking, I tried to watch a couple of minutes, and just watching, what's her name? Reese?

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  What's her name?

• 1:16:37Speaker 00

  Angel Reese.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  Angel Reese laying, it's such-

• 1:16:39Speaker 00

  Some people called her, she's good, she's like the Jordan of, uh-

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Jordan, I think it was Ari Spears, he said something like, she looked like a baby giraffe trying to stand, like, you know, they, they can't even move. I think it's just all a ploy because it's unwatchable. But it's like, the attention that they're trying to get is unbelievable, but I, I respect Sophie Cunningham, because, Tom, what's the word that you said?

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  Authentic.

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  Authentic?

• 1:16:59Speaker 00

  And fair.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  And there's, there's two words, too, I'm gonna add on top of that. Common sense. If you have male genitalia and you were born a male, this all started, go try to play in the NBA. That's your job, okay? Go for that. And this is unbelievable that none of them, because they're in this umbrella, but you know, the Democrats always say, we have a big tent, we have a big tent. This LGBTQ tent, they can't go against the grain. They can't go against it. And I think it's absolutely ridiculous.

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  Well, it's not about Kathy, they gotta make a decision, and Pat pointed it out last, last time, when we were talking about this.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  She's leaving.

• 1:17:30Speaker 05

  If they, they got together and said they couldn't figure out what a woman was, they couldn't figure it out. Wait a minute, tennis chose one way. The, the USOC doping committee chose one way. The International IOC chose one way. All of these organizations, WTA chose one way. They've all chosen something, right? And they're not all unified. They've made a decision about trans or trans athletes or things, they've all decided. Whereas the NBA, WNBA goes in a room and they figure out nothing in eight hours of debate? And it's like, guess what? You make a, you make a statement here, and Pat made a prediction. Pat's prediction on AOC was pretty good. His prediction is, you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if all of a sudden, if they take a stand one way or the other,

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  what was it you said, Pat? You wouldn't be surprised if like-

• 1:18:17Speaker 00

  If there's men playing-

• 1:18:19Speaker 05

  That suddenly have to retire.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  They're worried about that they have to retire, sudden retirement, so-

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  I have a different perspective.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  Go ahead.

• 1:18:25Speaker 05

  Uh, follow the money here, guys. Uh, do you know what the average WA NBA salary was last year?

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Eighty thousand.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is before the Caitlin Clark-

• 1:18:37Speaker 00

  Seventy-five thousand, seventy-four.

• 1:18:38Speaker 05

  Before the Caitlin Clark- What do you think it is now? Contracts.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Hundred and twenty-five.

• 1:18:42Speaker 05

  It's almost a half a million dollars.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Oh, damn.

• 1:18:45Speaker 05

  These women are making money now. Okay? Here we go. Hundred and twenty grand last year.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  For layups, they do layups.

• 1:18:51Speaker 05

  So, there's a lot of money coming in here. So, follow the money, guys, for a second. Now, the, the average length of a sports career is three to five years. So, get the money when you can, ladies, because some of these ladies are gonna be absolute nobodies with a couple million bucks in their pocket. Let me tell you why I think Sophie Cunningham is brilliant. Because she says, look, I'm a decent player, I'm better looking than I am, than I have skills. She's looking at people like Riley Gaines, she's looking at people at Sage Steel and goes, what am I gonna do in five years when I'm done with basketball? I can do whatever the hell I wanna do. I'm gonna create a market for myself. I wanna be a congresswoman? Boom. I run a startup business? Boom. Who's not gonna invest in Sophie Cunningham's podcast? We would. So, what I think is she's looking at the lay of the market and goes, just keep doing

• 1:19:36Speaker 05

  this. She's gonna end up making tens of millions of dollars, not even from basketball. Now, let me give some unsolicited advice to any other pretty black girl in the WNBA. Be different. Don't follow the crowd. Go be a pretty black girl in the WNBA and say, you know what? I agree with Sophie. No dudes in the league, no chicks with dicks, and let's, and watch how many people follow this person. These women, for a very short period of time, are in an incredible position to make an actual difference, for themselves or possibly the league. You know how I feel about the WNBA. Garbage product, garbage in, garbage out.

• 1:20:18Speaker 05

  But for the black girl who wants to be the new Sophie Cunningham, it's for yours for the taking. Let's see if they have the balls to step up though.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  But you're, you're not saying that her initial, so I think Sophie's genuine and she's authentic, that she started this whole thing.

• 1:20:30Speaker 05

  Oh, hundred percent genuine.

• 1:20:32Speaker 02

  And you're saying, you're saying, keep going because you're, now you can capitalize on it.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  I think that she might have not been a big-picture thinker, but now she has to be. There's too much money on the line and too much opportunity for someone like her.

• 1:20:43Speaker 00

  All right, let's go to the next story. Let's go to the next story. Next story is a weird story. Well, you know, this whole Grand Theft Auto VI is about to come out, and it's going a little bit crazy out there. Army unit offers four-day pass, they call it a danza, to play Grand Theft Auto VI as re-enlistment incentive. This is a CBS News, what a crazy story, but I love this story. An Army battalion at Fort Stewart, Georgia, is often, I think that's an AIT base, is offering active-duty soldiers a four-day pass to play Grand Theft Auto VI as a re-enlistment incentive. Time to, the game's November 19th release. Twenty soldiers in the 9th Brigade Engineer Battalion, part of the 3rd Infantry Division, have already chosen it. About 130 are eligible.

• 1:21:26Speaker 00

  Soldiers must re-enlist for two to six years between August 1st and November 14th. The idea was a unique incentive program that connects to what soldiers are interested in. Lieutenant Colonel Angel Tomko, a 3rd Infantry Division spokesperson, said the incentive isn't service-wide, but could expand. The game set in a fictional Miami with the series' first female lead, follows 2013 GTA V. The Army's courtship of gamers isn't new. After missing its recruiting goal in 2018, their service launched an esports team around Call of Duty, Fortnite, and League of Legends, and sent recruiters to gaming conventions. In 2019, Major General Frank Muth, then overseeing recruiting command, said gaming skills overlap with Army jobs.

• 1:22:10Speaker 00

  It's the decision-making, it's the ability to take in a lot of information quickly, and to be able to make a decision, it's about teamwork. Vinnie, would this have convinced you to stay in the airport?

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  No. But, listen-

• 1:22:22Speaker 00

  Would that have worked for you?

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  No, but you know what?

• 1:22:24Speaker 00

  Vinnie might go back in now.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  I remember, I remember the day, because think about, I was in during 9/11, they did stop-loss, because I was supposed to get out, but 9/11 happened, and the Bush administration basically does this thing called stop-loss, where they're like, we can't afford to lose anybody, you guys are staying. So, I had to stay, basically, not against my will, but I was like, you know, America, I'm staying as a New Yorker. But when it was done, there was no wake-up call, there wasn't no, I just was at my desk, and a Colonel comes, Pat, they give me a contract, they go, hey, O'Shaughnessy, six years, $60,000 bonus, take it, take it or leave it. And I'm not, because remember, I was kicking butt in the Air Force, and I don't know what it was, I didn't talk to my mom, nothing, I just went, you know what, sir? I think I'm gonna go to Hollywood and chase my dream of being an actor, and they were like, what'd you say? Like, what?

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  And then I got under investigation, he's smoking weed and all that stuff. But this is actually, it's kind of genius, Pat. It's actually pretty good, because they're saying like, hey, give us two years of your life, we'll give you a long weekend for GTA. But my thing is, they better at least throw in the game for free. Are you not gonna throw in the game? Do they get to keep the damn game? But I mean, listen, the numbers are down for the freaking enlistment, anything, anything to get people to join. How many people already joined, Pat? How many people?

• 1:23:35Speaker 00

  Out of, out of 130 eligible people, I think four people joined.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  That's what we need. I heard it was, I heard it was 20.

• 1:23:40Speaker 00

  Okay, so then let's change it.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  It wouldn't, it wouldn't make me-

• 1:23:42Speaker 00

  What if it was a pound of weed instead of the 60,000? Tom would do it.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  What do you mean, Tom would have dove over it.

• 1:23:50Speaker 00

  Gram is plenty for Tom.

• 1:23:51Speaker 05

  Tom would have reenlisted for the rest of his life.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  Well, Brigadier General Ellsworth would probably still be.

• 1:23:57Speaker 00

  Got position on this.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  Those are the guys you want. You want the killers. You want the guys who are into the violent video games. We've waited like 15 years for this game, I think. So they may even take the contract, go back for six years and come back and GTA 6 might not even be out yet. They might go into like decade two of developing that game. And I heard they leaked it or something, which maybe that's like some kind of foreign operation, seeing that this could be such a successful program for the US military. They're like, we're just gonna leak it so anyone can play it. You lose your recruitment.

• 1:24:25Speaker 00

  I mean, listen, it's the hottest thing in town. Everybody's waiting for this. It's the biggest release ever. Few billion dollars already committed to the game. They raised the prices on it. They got different options on what things you can do with it. Tom, how do you see this story?

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  So there's a couple of angles to this. And what people need to see is very slowly, but very steadily, the pilot in the airplane is being replaced by the pilot with the joystick that's in, what was that? Until Tom Dashiell closed it, Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota, where they ran the B2s, was the first place supposedly that they had remote drone pilots. So these were kids with exceptional eyesight, hand-eye coordination and twitch that were actually piloting drones remotely. So you had hyper skilled gamers being recruited. Look at this, FAA hires 2,000 gamers, air traffic controllers, and the army has also developed an esports team. You know, they have those esports teams. They go the, and

• 1:25:22Speaker 03

  they sit there in four of those big gamer chairs and they compete with each other. The army has an esports team. So there's a couple of things going on. One is the reality is people are gonna be calling in sick on that day. The second reality, someday, somewhere Xi's looking, maybe best day to get Taiwan is right here, you know, on the launch of GTA where the world's distracted. But the third thing is, the military, there they are, there's the military esports team, is they're recruiting gamers and they're below their quota. And so to show some, to show a little bit of, you know, empathy and connection with gamers, I think it's a smart move by the military. And by the way, we need the, to enlist people with gamer skills, because that's the people that are gonna be flying

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  drones in the future as they become even more sophisticated.

• 1:26:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think the incentive is too small. I think you're right. They gotta give the game. They gotta give, is it Xbox or the PlayStation? Which one is it on? GTA?

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  I think it should be for both games. I mean, it should be for both.

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  It's gotta be both. They gotta, they gotta give all of, if they offered you 60K in what year, 01, 02? If they offered you 60K at that time.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  For six years.

• 1:26:27Speaker 00

  They gave me a GI bill of $26,500. If they offered that then.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:33Speaker 00

  And you just are giving me a four day weekend? It's gotta be more than that. It's gotta be like, we'll buy you a ticket to go to the national tournament, whatever that's going on, and, you know, assist them, both Xbox and PlayStation and the game signed. It's gotta be, it's gotta be something, a little bit juicier. Apparently, it's now 20 people that have reenlisted.

• 1:26:50Speaker 02

  But that shows you how desperate people, that means people are not joining the military. Our enlistment numbers, like as much as we're being tough and it's the Department of War and stuff, people aren't, aren't joining anymore. And guys, at the end of the day, we need soldiers. I understand the robotic stuff and the AI and the drones and all that stuff, but you still need people. And that was a great story. Think about it. People that are playing a air traffic control video game, the government's going after them and going, hey, listen, you didn't crash any planes during your 10 hour freaking game, we're gonna hire you. And apparently, they filled up 96% of the recruitment got hired. What was it? 94% of its hiring because of a video game. So.

• 1:27:29Speaker 05

  I wanna, look, I'm gonna stay in my lane. I didn't, I didn't serve.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  I mean, you're wearing a military jacket, so.

• 1:27:34Speaker 05

  Listen, man.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, salute you.

• 1:27:36Speaker 05

  I got massive respect for our military. When we were at the UFC at the White House, I know we had a great time, guys.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 1:27:42Speaker 05

  The, the military, the servicemen and women, they got more respect than the fighters. I got massive respect for these guys. I want to understand how it works, though, Pat. You get recruited, you're in for how many years? They, they try to bring you back in, they try to incentivize you. For the layman out there, which is 99% of us, walk me through how it works. This is how you get recruited. This is how many, how much time you have to serve. This is how they try to recruit you. These are the incentives. This is the annual.

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  Reenlistment or just regular?

• 1:28:13Speaker 05

  Well, you know how many times I've heard the name Lieutenant Colonel Peacock? You kidding me? Bet David?

• 1:28:20Speaker 00

  Reenlist or enlist?

• 1:28:22Speaker 05

  Walk me through the whole.

• 1:28:23Speaker 00

  Enlist, they start in high school. They come to school and they talk to you, hey, you would be great, you know, man, it's such a great experience. Women love men in uniform.

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  It's like a pimp.

• 1:28:31Speaker 00

  They're literally, that's what they're saying.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  They're pimping, like, hey, hey, hey, you.

• 1:28:34Speaker 00

  And they're catcalling. I mean, they're very, very, yeah, they're very good.

• 1:28:38Speaker 05

  So you were like, sign me up?

• 1:28:39Speaker 00

  Well, the guy that got me, Jesus Guerra, got me at 14 years old. And I didn't get in until I was 17 years old.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:28:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He kept saying, Bet David, I'm telling you, this school stuff's not for you. You would do very good in the military. You'd have a very good career. And then eventually, it happened. But reenlist, reenlist, they start six months before you're ETSing.

• 1:28:56Speaker 05

  What's your, what does that mean? I don't know.

• 1:28:57Speaker 00

  Reenlist, so let's just say your ETS is coming out or you're getting out.

• 1:29:00Speaker 05

  What is ETS?

• 1:29:01Speaker 00

  ETS is you're leaving the military. You're, you're, can you pull up what ETS stands for? I think it's.

• 1:29:06Speaker 05

  Estimated time of service.

• 1:29:07Speaker 00

  Termination service, yeah. The ETS expiration term of service, yeah. So you're about to get out when you're ETSing, and then they'll start saying, what do you want to do? So maybe you'll ask, I want a different MOS. I want a different job. I want to go to a different base. First time around, they'll tell you, what base would you like to go?

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, call it a dream sheet, Pat.

• 1:29:23Speaker 00

  You're never getting the base. And then when you say, hey, Jesus, I thought you told me I'm going to Germany. Yeah, man, I really fought hard for you, but you got Kentucky. I said, you know how many Middle Easterners are in Kentucky? He says, I gotta go. Says, no, man, they gave you Kentucky. I'm so sorry. But eventually, on your second enlistment, they'll give you whatever you want. So second time, you get to ask where you want to go.

• 1:29:41Speaker 05

  Okay. How many years are the enlistments for?

• 1:29:44Speaker 00

  Delayed entry is two and a half years. Longest could be six, some could be eight, but it's generally two to six years. So then, you know, I said, no, I'm getting out. But let me tell you what I did find. And I almost didn't want to show this, but if you guys know, this is going viral all over the internet. An old picture of Tom.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:30:02Speaker 00

  An old picture of Tom. If you want to pull it up.

• 1:30:05Speaker 05

  In the military?

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  Do you have this one here?

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  Canadian military?

• 1:30:07Speaker 00

  Picture of Tom.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Tom! General Bet David, you weren't Pat's?

• 1:30:11Speaker 05

  Salute to Jesus.

• 1:30:14Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  Tom was like a general.

• 1:30:16Speaker 00

  This is Tom, and Tom didn't want this to be, listen, he didn't want this to be shown.

• 1:30:21Speaker 05

  General Bet David.

• 1:30:23Speaker 00

  See.

• 1:30:23Speaker 05

  He's wearing your uniform, sir. Tom, you can make your favorite noise right now if you want.

• 1:30:28Speaker 00

  Can you, can you see, Tom looks like a general right there, right? Except with the, with the, with the, what do you call it?

• 1:30:34Speaker 05

  Tom's gone.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  The bomb is used.

• 1:30:35Speaker 00

  So listen.

• 1:30:36Speaker 05

  I could see Tom getting into a press conference right now. Listen, we've eliminated the enemy right here. The foreign combatants have had no chance.

• 1:30:42Speaker 00

  You know that video we did when they said, you know, who is more likely to bail you out of jail? Who's more likely to do this? Who's like, who's fired more people? Everybody went on Tom's side, right? We're gonna do one for the podcast.

• 1:30:53Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:30:54Speaker 00

  And we're gonna see what the crew's gonna say here, because people really need to know who Tom really is. Okay?

• 1:30:59Speaker 05

  Can we do that?

• 1:30:59Speaker 00

  I don't think people really know that. And we'll do that here soon. But anyways, okay.

• 1:31:03Speaker 03

  Now, this is me at the congressional hearing. I was asking, Senator, we need to ship 14 million of these to China along with some Bob Marley tape.

• 1:31:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, play that clip real quick. Watch this clip. 14 million something views. Go ahead.

• 1:31:17Speaker 00

  Started from the beginning.

• 1:31:19Speaker 21

  Who's more likely to talk your ear off for an hour?

• 1:31:24Speaker 05

  Where's the man going?

• 1:31:30Speaker 03

  You gotta win at something.

• 1:31:31Speaker 21

  Who's more likely to be late to their own team meeting?

• 1:31:36Speaker 21

  Come on, Pat. Don't do me the look.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  All stuck.

• 1:31:39Speaker 05

  No, Pat's already sitting there.

• 1:31:42Speaker 21

  Who drops more F bombs?

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  Everybody.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:31:48Speaker 05

  Neither of these guys cursed.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  Really? Amario? I didn't even realize that either.

• 1:31:53Speaker 21

  Who's more competitive?

• 1:31:56Speaker 05

  Low key, Tom.

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  New guy.

• 1:31:57Speaker 00

  Tom is very.

• 1:31:58Speaker 05

  Low key.

• 1:31:58Speaker 21

  Who's more likely to email you at 2:00 in the morning?

• 1:32:02Speaker 05

  5:00 in the morning, Tom.

• 1:32:03Speaker 00

  I text you late, but not email.

• 1:32:06Speaker 05

  That's Tom.

• 1:32:10Speaker 21

  Who's more likely to yell at you in the morning and then take you out for lunch in the afternoon?

• 1:32:15Speaker 06

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 1:32:46Speaker 07

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies 18 plus.

• 1:33:10Speaker 14

  USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day, like superheroes and sidekicks, or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. Tap the banner to learn more and get a quote at USAA dot com slash bundle. Restrictions apply.

• 1:33:31Speaker 21

  Who's fired more people?

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  Tom.

• 1:33:35Speaker 21

  Oh shit.

• 1:33:36Speaker 05

  Look at Jen.

• 1:33:37Speaker 21

  Who's more of a numbers guy?

• 1:33:39Speaker 03

  Oh, well, Tom.

• 1:33:39Speaker 00

  This is a split.

• 1:33:40Speaker 03

  Numbers, this is a split. This is different. That was very confusing.

• 1:33:43Speaker 21

  Most likely to bail you out of jail.

• 1:33:47Speaker 03

  From experienced people.

• 1:33:50Speaker 05

  Look at Chad sucking up.

• 1:33:51Speaker 03

  Chad.

• 1:33:51Speaker 21

  More likely to talk your ear off or?

• 1:33:53Speaker 05

  Oh, there you go.

• 1:33:54Speaker 00

  You can pause it right there.

• 1:33:55Speaker 05

  That was actually really fun.

• 1:33:56Speaker 00

  That was actually really fun.

• 1:33:56Speaker 03

  You know what's fun about this is you gotta kind of reflect on yourself and just laugh.

• 1:34:00Speaker 21

  Yeah.

• 1:34:00Speaker 03

  You have to. If you lose the ability to do that, you lose everything.

• 1:34:03Speaker 00

  Fire somebody. Here's what you have to realize. One day Mario comes to me, Mario's like, Pat, I just had a meeting with Tom. Tom was telling me how to fire somebody. We're in Dallas. I said, what did Tom say? He says, dude, Tom is ice cold the way he fires people. How was it? He says, this is not working out. Today's your last day. Thank you for your.

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  It's like Moneyball. Hey, listen, you've been traded.

• 1:34:25Speaker 05

  Well, let me tell you something, Tom. You've done a good job of rubbing off on Mario. That guy's ice cold.

• 1:34:31Speaker 00

  So then Mario's like.

• 1:34:31Speaker 05

  Mario tried to fire me yesterday.

• 1:34:33Speaker 00

  Mario goes in and Mario's like, this is not working out. Today's your last day. You need to pack your stuff and leave. And I said, how was it? He says, oh, at first I was so nervous. That's Tom. So you remember that movie with George Clooney? Who goes and he's always firing people and he's teaching this girl how to fire? You ever seen that movie? Anyways, there was a scene. That was Tom. Tom teaching Mario how to fire people. Okay. Before we get into the next story, I want you to watch this clip because there's some stuff that's happening with Future Looks Bright shoes. And after this, we're gonna get into the story of Trump's approval rating and a story about Iran and what he thinks is gonna happen. Go for it.

• 1:35:12Speaker 00

  When we set out to create a shoe that blends comfort, function, and luxury, we had the choice to make it fast. We had the choice to make it cheap. We chose Nike. Instead, we chose Tuscanyero. We chose true Italian craftsmanship. Each pair touched by 50 skilled hands. We chose patience, spending two years perfecting every detail, and we chose the finest quality at every step. Introducing the Future Looks Bright collection. Not rushed, not disposable, not ordinary. Rather intentional, luxurious, timeless.

• 1:35:56Speaker 00

  There you go. Go to VTmerch.com, place your order. With that being said, let's get into our last couple of stories here and wrap up. So Trump's approval rating plummets to new low ahead of critical midterms. More work to do. This is a Fox News story and Tom, I'm gonna come to you first, then John, I'm coming to you afterwards. Trump's approval rating has plummeted to a record low for a second term. Typho is the lowest ever as commander in chief, according to a new poll. Only 33% of surveyed in new Reuters poll approve of Trump's jobs performance, down from 35% last week, while 64% disapprove. Trump previously hit 33% in December of 2017, his first term low. Meanwhile, 80% of respondents said they expect the war in Iran will go on for an extended period of time.

• 1:36:39Speaker 00

  The war began in February and was explained to Americans as a mission to wipe out Iran's nuclear weapons program. Iranian attempts to assert dominance over the Strait of Hormuz has complicated matters. One-fifth of world's oil traverses the strait and the effect are felt at the Trump. Since the war began, national gas prices average has jumped from under $3 to over $4, according to AAA data. The numbers land weeks ahead of critical midterm elections, with Republicans openly acknowledging there's more work to do. Tom?

• 1:37:12Speaker 03

  So there's a couple of things going on here. And number one, Americans are very fatigued about the war, very fatigued. There was a period of, okay, I hope this is over quick, just like Venezuela. Then there was this period of, whoa, what are we getting into? And then we went back and forth where the market would move on one sentence and move the other way on another sentence. Then what happened is it took three days of sentences to move the market because the market suddenly was becoming resilient and almost insulated to what was going on. And guess what? That had a waterfall effect on the economy. And when people talk about the economy, when a citizen talks about the economy, here's what they mean. They mean, they usually mean fuel and groceries.

• 1:37:57Speaker 03

  They'll attribute cost of fuel and groceries to the whole economy. And so it's citizens really meaning my economy. And the government and the president's approval rating is handcuffed to economy more than any other thing. Outside of a spike issue. A spike issue is 9/11. Terrible, terrible, massive interruption or cataclysmic. And so right now, people are still feeling the gas at the pump. And they're also starting to feel, you know, you know, some fatigue on the war and are our prices ever gonna abate? And that is leading to strong economic headwinds on the president. And the word we've been talking about for six months now is affordability.

• 1:38:41Speaker 03

  And so that's where they are. And right now, I'm gonna teach you something. You're gonna think I'm talking drugs, but I'm not. You know what the crack spread is? The crack spread.

• 1:38:53Speaker 05

  We just did a whole marijuana.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:38:55Speaker 05

  Now you're doing crack, Tom?

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  No, if you Google it, the crack spread is the difference between a barrel of oil and the cost of refining it. The crack spread has hit $100. So transportation and refining costs on top of the barrel of oil have, are now over 100. It wasn't this way early in the, because refineries are running at capacity. Because the refineries, there's two refineries, remember Valero refinery that was shut down in California? It's making a difference. That's 5% of the US refining cost. And so it's all of this, crack spread at 100, gas doesn't look like it's coming down under the price it is right now, which is frustrating motorists. They see that as their economy. Their economy is their perception of the president. And the president's approval rating is down.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  Take a look at this chart. The chart is showing it going down. It's because once the war started enduring, it didn't go back. You know, and I'm only looking at the war itself from January and you see the big drop right there before April. See that, Pat?

• 1:39:57Speaker 00

  Yep, of course.

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  Wonk right over April. That was in March when it was like, okay, I thought this was supposed to be quick. In, out, Maduro goes to jail. I thought we were doing something similar. When we, when we went in and destroyed, quote, destroyed, the nuclear places in Iran, in, out, hey, we destroyed stuff. All of a sudden, this is extending and it's having a really bad impact on the president's approval rating.

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, and remember too, Trump was the guy who was supposed to alleviate the fatigue that Americans were feeling about these wars in the Middle East. I mean, this is the guy who 10 years ago got up on the debate stage and told Jeb Bush that the Iraq war was a big fat mistake. And Republican voters didn't know that you were allowed to say that. Like in the 2000s, your level of commitment to the Republican cause was demonstrated by your vocal, like, support for these wars in the Middle East. And so Trump gets up there and there's supposed to be a repudiation of this. And so now, like you're saying, you know, we get back in, Americans are like, okay, we can tacitly accept this, but it keeps going on and on. And since it began, his approval rating hasn't cracked 40 again. You know, it was up there in a while for the 40s, but it was still trending down, still not bad for a president in this stage in his term.

• 1:41:00Speaker 04

  But really what started to actually decrease it was when Americans started seeing for the first time those videos of the mass deportations. And now I was looking at the polling too, and it shows that how Americans are viewing the immigration issue has shifted from being like way, way, way, way in support of how Republicans want to handle it versus Democrats, something like a 40-point difference. Now it's basically neck and neck, which tells me that, you know, Americans are starting to see like what that actually looks like and they're kind of souring on it. Like it's now 50/50 in terms of how they would like to see Democrats versus Republicans handle the immigration issue. And so Trump, you know, insofar as he's able to execute on that, that's just gonna like hurt him more as people are seeing what they're paying for at the pump. They're seeing more videos of like people just getting deported, like this is not gonna look good for him.

• 1:41:40Speaker 03

  You're very learned on this. I was reading yesterday that right now, the only issue that Republicans have a clear lead on is crime. All of the other traditional Republican issues on economy and the border and everything are suddenly slacking as America loses confidence over the summer.

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  Is it, and here's my question, we have what, two years left until, you know, the presidential election in November? But is there enough time to turn this around? Because affordability, I mean, think about it, because if affordability is gonna stay the same, this war is gonna stay the same. The mass deportation of all these illegals, which is helping with this freaking affordability, because these people are living places, they're getting paid, we're giving them all this freaking money.

• 1:42:21Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  It's because my thing is this, John, it's life after Trump.

• 1:42:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  As much as Gavin and all these people keep going, Trump, Trump, he's gonna be gone, he's gonna be out. And I think whoever's gonna be attached to him as a Republican, you know, nominee, this is just gonna bleed to them. And then we keep hearing these socialist rise, their attitude is gonna be like, look at these, the Republicans, forever wars, you can't afford anything. Vote for us, we're gonna give you everything for free. And that's what I'm worried about because I don't see, do you see it? This war is not gonna stop. This is the war that everybody said is gonna be, even Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, he said, the last thing we want is to get into a war. It's going to be a quagmire in Iran. And look where we are right now. There's no end in sight.

• 1:42:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you're right. And it's not about the presidential election, which is in two years. We are exactly two and a half months to midterms, exactly, 75 days, midterms.

• 1:43:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, so the big, so the big, that's a very good question to ask and we can have that conversation. But Tom, a couple of things to be looking at is on the market, S&P dropped from 78 to 7600, not a big number. Let's just say it's at 7650. And then you saw Besen said they're gonna double down the amount of long-term treasury, the 10-year and 30-years that they're gonna buy from whatever, 2, 2, 4 billion, starting September to November. And with the hopes of that maybe measuring off and, you know, getting the economy to be a little bit more stable. Are you seeing that that behavior got the market to react positively or the market's like, yeah, that's not gonna make a difference?

• 1:43:47Speaker 03

  The market went out one night, had some beers over Monday night football, and the next morning it slid right back. In other words, I'm joking a little bit, but I'm not. The market had a little celebratory moment when Besen was basically reducing supply of bonds, if you wanna think of it that way, to prop up price. And what happened is the market came back a day later and combination, I think PPI came out, producer price index. And they shook off the, the impact by Besen and it moved. And everybody was like, whoa, Besen was supposed to be.

• 1:44:24Speaker 00

  See, that's the bigger problem. If, if the economy goes in that direction and they're paying a price with, because right now the economy is mainly hurting who? Who's the economy mainly hurting? Low and middle income, the average guy, which by the way, say that again?

• 1:44:39Speaker 03

  K-shape.

• 1:44:39Speaker 00

  Right. If, if it hurts them, you need those guys from midterms, vote, you're gonna feel it. And so the last thing you want, if I'm Trump, the last thing you want is the following. You do not want to go into your last two years. With the midterms of your candidate losing. Because then that means in 2028. The tweet and the endorsement of MAGA may not mean a lot. So then people will start eating their own. They'll start attacking. Their own. And so you, you know, they'll, they'll start distancing. Well, you know. I think the president went a little bit too far, you know. I do like some of the stuff that he did, but I don't support the way he handled Iran. And, and then legacy is hitting. And then you're going to see Trump attacking every one of those candidates, even though he's not going to be involved. I don't know if that makes sense or not.

• 1:45:22Speaker 00

  So if JD decides to take that position, it's like, oof. Man, now, now the left is going to be like, awesome. We have civil war. The president went after Pence and now the president's going after JD. If he went after Pence, you don't think he's gonna, who is Pence today? So you have to realize JD has to play a very. He has to maneuver in a very interesting way and the president has to make sure he maintains. His power, his word, his endorsement. And that's what he's dealing with. Then last but not least, it's, this is it for him. This is a legacy. You got two years left. On your contract. That's it. And then after that, you're an ex-president. You're not, you, you, all the other stuff is, you know, you're just going and you're doing speaking, you're doing different kind of things, but. He's got two years to clean this up. Does he have enough time or not?

• 1:46:08Speaker 00

  We will see. If the war continues. That is going to be a massive, massive conversation. That they're going to be having. You know what question I would want to ask the president if I sat down with him? You know what I'd want to ask him right now? Is.

• 1:46:23Speaker 00

  Say before the war starts. And there's a room of conversations. Would you have approved killing? You know, Khamenei? Were you for that? Or was that Israel? Was it you that wanted to kill everybody, the family, the wife, everybody? What, the, the answer to that question. Leads to. His sequence in being at a whack. I don't know if that makes sense. If you're in the room and the generals tell you, Tom, hey, we got it. It's going to be like Venezuela. Trust us. It's going to be good. And then you're having a call with Israel. And then Israel goes and takes out Khamenei. If you do, you're prolonging the war.

• 1:47:08Speaker 00

  Cause now you're forcing everybody to be fully committed. I want to know if that was his decision? Or if that was Bibi's decision?

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  And that was, and that, and that was after, right? But that, that, that decision.

• 1:47:19Speaker 00

  The answer to that question is so important on many levels. It is so important on so many levels because.

• 1:47:28Speaker 00

  You know, it says they killed them. He kept saying they killed them, they killed them, not we killed them, they killed them, they killed them. So if that happened. Then that needs to be explained to the market. Because maybe the, like, when you do that right now, you're so in too deep that. If you don't do anything to Iran now, the, the, America's going to get hit five, 10, 15, 20, 30. It's going to happen. It's just a delayed response to you killing the guys. Father, wife and mother, whatever. You killed everybody in his life and. Nobody even knows if the guy's alive or not. If Pezeshkian is meeting with him in an underground place. That you can't even open up and you're hearing somebody and it's so dark. It's like, yeah, I met him. Did you really? Is the guy really alive? What happened? So you've created so much vengeance that they have you. You're, you're in too deep.

• 1:48:12Speaker 00

  So I don't think he was the guy that called the shots at killing Khamenei. I don't think so. I think he likes to kill number twos and threes. He killed Qassem Soleimani. I think he knows not to kill number ones. I think whoever killed number one. Is somebody that wants it to be longer because they want it to be done. And you kind of got me into it. It's like, dude, why'd you kill him? You ever seen the movie As a Town? I don't know if it's town where one guy kills the guy, say, dude, what did you do that for? Now we are all going like you should, we, we, the plan wasn't, I don't know if it was them, they're robbing a bank. Yeah, this is the one.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Well, he, when he, when they kill the guy that's.

• 1:48:48Speaker 05

  You're talking about the town.

• 1:48:49Speaker 00

  Like, dude, I can even go to Godfather two, that scene, he's in the car, you kill the kids. I'm not blowing up the kid, the kid, there's kids in the car.

• 1:48:55Speaker 02

  Scarface.

• 1:48:55Speaker 00

  Scarface. Yeah, I'm not doing that. It's like. No, we have, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not doing it to the kid. And then that's when it's like. You, you crossed. You crossed the line. So even somebody like me that was. You know, more knowing what IRGC is about, that the world would be a better place without him. Even I said a week before, I think killing the. Prime Minister. You're, it's a permanent war. You, if you kill the prime minister, supreme leader. If you kill the supreme leader, you have to take out the entire regime.

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:49:27Speaker 00

  And you better be confident that you can deliver. So to me, it's, it's a, it's a little bit of a.

• 1:49:34Speaker 00

  You know, it's a little bit of a, you know. Tough situation he's in himself.

• 1:49:38Speaker 05

  You take out Soleimani, you can get the number one to talk.

• 1:49:41Speaker 00

  That's the point.

• 1:49:42Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:49:42Speaker 00

  So you, you, you, you don't.

• 1:49:44Speaker 05

  Well, that didn't really work out like that when they. Ayatollah wasn't talking after you took out Soleimani.

• 1:49:50Speaker 00

  Well, you made us, when you made, but that, that outcome then wasn't nuclear. What was a very different thing you're doing. The outcome there at the Qassem Soleimani was a very different thing. Now.

• 1:50:01Speaker 00

  It's such a binary so, solution. There is no mid. Memorandum of understanding. You, you have two choices. Right now. Either they're going to look at you like this and here's how the negotiation goes. Okay, yeah, memorandum of understanding. Okay, we control the Hormuz, you do this and we will not do anything with nuclear. Okay, okay. All right, he's out. All right, guys, let's go, let's go get to work. And then let's go attack and a weaker president's going to come in. Then there's going to be an attack on US. Or military bases. You think they, you think these fanatical people are just about money? They're not about money. When you do business with people that are about money. What's honest about it? It's transactional. You're going to make money? I'm going to make money? They're going to make money? Let's move on. This is not just about money.

• 1:50:47Speaker 00

  This is fanatical vengeance, revenge. It's a very different ideology that these guys have.

• 1:50:52Speaker 05

  I, what I want to do is compare and contrast. Trump's approach to Obama's approach, whether it's Iran or whether it's even approval ratings right now, because what Obama was doing, you could argue that Trump did the exact opposite. Obama was doing the, I'm so sorry for being America. Oh, let's all be friends. Let's all be nice. And the fanaticals were like, yeah. We're still going to kill you, buddy. So Trump, I think, just recognized, like, you're not going to negotiate with these people. We've been kicking the can down the road for 45 years.

• 1:51:21Speaker 00

  I don't think, and I don't, you think Trump, you think Trump called the shots to kill Khamenei?

• 1:51:25Speaker 05

  I don't know. I don't want to speculate on that.

• 1:51:26Speaker 00

  I want you to speculate. I want you to speculate.

• 1:51:28Speaker 05

  Look, do I think that Trump is in charge? Yes.

• 1:51:32Speaker 00

  You think Trump called the shots?

• 1:51:33Speaker 05

  I think Trump's in charge.

• 1:51:34Speaker 00

  Trump called the shots to kill Khamenei?

• 1:51:36Speaker 04

  I think he ultimately made the decision. He may have been influenced by people who didn't have his best interests at heart, but I think he still made that call. Yeah.

• 1:51:41Speaker 00

  You think he made the call to kill Khamenei?

• 1:51:44Speaker 04

  Ultimately, yeah.

• 1:51:46Speaker 00

  See, I don't believe that. I, I, there, there is no pattern showing that's how he does business.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  And going off of what you said, huh? He always says.

• 1:51:54Speaker 05

  He had already bombed Iran multiple times.

• 1:51:55Speaker 02

  No, but think about this though.

• 1:51:56Speaker 00

  Different story.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  You, you mean, and he makes a great point because you said one word, you said we. When Trump kills somebody, he goes. I kill, I killed him. I killed what's his name?

• 1:52:05Speaker 05

  Maybe, maybe that's a conversation that you will have.

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  A bar, but daddy is dead.

• 1:52:09Speaker 05

  I can see him having that conversation with you.

• 1:52:11Speaker 00

  I don't think, by the way, and but just, just so you, just so you guys know. Michael Cohen just interviewed Trump. Because during the podcast, when I interviewed Michael Cohen, he got emotional and I said, and I said. I think the interview will happen. And I shared that with a few people. It was right before an event that we had. Michael Cohen just sat down in front of Trump and interviewed him like on a interview. He called in. And it's a, and nobody ever thought this was going to happen. And even Trump said it's unfair what they did to you, of course, what they did to me. So meaning, I don't care if I asked the question or somebody else asked the question. Whoever's watching this, whoever's sitting down, I want to know who called the shots. To kill Khamenei because that changes everything for me. But I don't think he called the shots.

• 1:52:50Speaker 05

  Not even going to speculate. Can I get to the, my point about the approval ratings? I actually think that Trump is more stable than Obama. Let me explain. Obama came in. And do you know what his highest approval rating?

• 1:53:04Speaker 00

  Eighty-three?

• 1:53:05Speaker 05

  It was 70%. 70%.

• 1:53:08Speaker 00

  Who hit 81 or 83?

• 1:53:10Speaker 05

  There was Trump, I'm sorry, it was Bush after.

• 1:53:12Speaker 02

  W, W the week after.

• 1:53:14Speaker 05

  Obama got up to 69, 70%. Do you know his lowest approval rating was in the mid 30s, 36, 37? That plummeted. 30 plus percent points. Trump came in, he was a 45% guy. At best. Right? Trump never hit 50. I'm talking on his best day. So Trump is hovering around 40, whether you like him or not. So now he's hovering in the mid 30s ish, 34. Trump is what he is. We know what he is. The, the reality is Trump. Is who he is. He does what he does. Take it or leave it. Juxtaposing that with Obama, everyone thought Obama was black Jesus. And by the time he left office is like. So what Obama do exactly?

• 1:53:58Speaker 00

  No, but.

• 1:53:59Speaker 05

  He made it healthcare more expensive.

• 1:54:01Speaker 00

  What's your point?

• 1:54:02Speaker 05

  And he made the White House gay.

• 1:54:03Speaker 00

  Are you making it comparing him to Obama?

• 1:54:06Speaker 05

  That's all that you can do.

• 1:54:06Speaker 00

  Obama will never be in the discussion as one of the greatest presidents of all time.

• 1:54:10Speaker 05

  Well, according to who?

• 1:54:11Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 1:54:12Speaker 05

  Liberals, he's, he's the goat.

• 1:54:13Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 1:54:14Speaker 05

  You're talking about getting stuff done.

• 1:54:15Speaker 00

  Obama, Obama.

• 1:54:16Speaker 05

  Trump runs circles around Obama.

• 1:54:17Speaker 00

  Obama and Trump, Obama's not in the league of Trump as a leader. It's not even close.

• 1:54:22Speaker 05

  But that's your opinion. There's a lot of people that are going to differ.

• 1:54:24Speaker 00

  No, no, Obama was.

• 1:54:25Speaker 05

  I'm with you.

• 1:54:26Speaker 00

  Obama was a, a, Obama made us weaker in front of our people. And Obama was too much of a conformist and people pleaser and he wanted everybody, like, no, Obama.

• 1:54:37Speaker 05

  He's so talented. He could sell that story.

• 1:54:39Speaker 00

  That's a different story though. Those are two different things. Yeah, to me, I, I won't make the comparison of Trump to him. I think the, the, the part that Trump, deep down, and I don't even know, Trump wants people, there's a. There's an element of, my opinion, there's element of Trump of after him, he wants people to know. He was different. His impact is permanent. It's never going away. That's a good thing and a bad thing. Because you have to also know that eventually, when your legacy comes and you move on, he said something in an interview. He says, you know, people forget all the stuff you did for them. All these people, I made their shows all that. You know what? That's how life is. He said something like this about 18 months ago. And, and that's good that he's getting in that phase of knowing.

• 1:55:24Speaker 00

  Everybody kind of moves on and they go to the next thing. And you, that's a very hard thing to accept for a lot of people. This is why a lot of athletes that end up their, their career getting a divorce immediately, like bodybuilders, athletes, you know, Brady, you know, Michael. It's not easy. It's very, very hard because you went from being a face of everything. But I think he needs to, and I, I don't think this is fully 5% chance of this happening. He needs to really realize that post him could be extremely chaotic. If he doesn't hand it off the right way.

• 1:56:00Speaker 05

  Oh, I fully agree.

• 1:56:01Speaker 00

  Because I think he went here. He's here. So the only thing back from this is what? Here. And I think he needs to go here for it to goes here. So I don't know. We can go all the way here, but if you're going to go all the way here, you better finish the job.

• 1:56:16Speaker 05

  You know what they say? You never go full.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:19Speaker 00

  No, no, no, I don't know if I'm making sense. Maybe I'm not doing a good job.

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  No, no, you are.

• 1:56:23Speaker 05

  Pendulum swings.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  You are, but Obama's side.

• 1:56:25Speaker 05

  Control with the pendulum.

• 1:56:26Speaker 02

  No, no, no, but hold on.

• 1:56:27Speaker 00

  What I'm saying is the amount of influence he has in the Republican Party is not the same as what Obama had in the Democratic Party. Maybe at one point he did, but.

• 1:56:36Speaker 05

  You don't think it's more than Obama?

• 1:56:37Speaker 00

  Oh, it is way more.

• 1:56:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:56:39Speaker 00

  Not even close. This guy's a worker, bro.

• 1:56:41Speaker 05

  Well, his approval ratings within max 90 plus percent.

• 1:56:43Speaker 00

  Worker. This is a, this is an 80 year old that will do a lapse by around 25 year olds. This is an anomaly. This is a very unique case study that you're looking at. But he needs to think about the future of America because the enemy is real.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  That's, that's.

• 1:56:57Speaker 00

  And if you don't realize that the enemy is real and you just say, well, it's your job. You guys handle it. I think, you know, it's like when you're running the baton. What, what did they call that race where you have to hand over the baton? And what happens if you drop the baton?

• 1:57:09Speaker 05

  Lose the race.

• 1:57:10Speaker 00

  It's over. I think that handoff needs to be very delicate.

• 1:57:14Speaker 05

  Look at the handoff that Biden to Kamala, disaster.

• 1:57:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, but Biden's not a leader. Biden, nobody ever will look at Biden as a leader. Trump's a leader.

• 1:57:23Speaker 05

  Library is looking great.

• 1:57:24Speaker 00

  No, it's, it's, he raised $4 million for his library. It's not, it's a different story.

• 1:57:28Speaker 05

  There is no library.

• 1:57:29Speaker 00

  So do we want to do a couple of last stories before we wrap up? Do you want to go to this arrest that happened, Vinnie? This woman arrested for allegedly plotting New York State Capitol attack. She looks very friendly. I mean, just a regular American woman that when you see this, if you guys want to play this clip here.

• 1:57:44Speaker 05

  This is on the notes.

• 1:57:44Speaker 00

  There you have it. It's on the addendum, page six, if you want to go to it. Uh, so FBI arrested woman Wednesday who, you have it? Is this it? Go for it.

• 1:57:53Speaker 06

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid and risked 350,000 Virginians healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 1:58:24Speaker 07

  This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web. Like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration blog. Or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies 18 plus.

• 1:58:48Speaker 14

  USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day like superheroes and sidekicks or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. Tap the banner to learn more and get a quote at USAA.com slash bundle. Restrictions apply.

• 1:59:05Speaker 22

  Well, breaking moments ago, the FBI says it disrupted a potential ISIS inspired terror plot in New York. The agency tells Fox, they've arrested a 35 year old Albany woman accused of plotting to bomb the state Capitol and kill lawmakers. According to a criminal complaint, Jessica Bowie pledged allegiance to ISIS and allegedly planned to hide a bomb inside a door dash bag, hoping to strike while state senators were meeting. Governor Kathy Hochul expected to speak next hour where we could get more information about all of this.

• 1:59:35Speaker 00

  Picture of what she looks like?

• 1:59:36Speaker 03

  Would you have a video of any?

• 1:59:37Speaker 02

  Oh, there's some photos of her. There's some show, look at, look, can you, just please take a second, guys, and look at what this moron, I'm sorry, Jessica, Jessica, and you have a photo of her? Show her, show her outside because.

• 1:59:51Speaker 00

  Muslim lady, right?

• 1:59:52Speaker 02

  Well, she's a whack, she's whack, but she wasn't, look at, this is, this is, and again, I've said this before, white liberal.

• 2:00:02Speaker 00

  This is not a trans, this is not a man.

• 2:00:03Speaker 02

  No, that's not a dude, Pat.

• 2:00:04Speaker 05

  That's a woman?

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  She, that's a girl from beginning to, yes.

• 2:00:08Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:00:08Speaker 00

  I'm not, I'm actually not joking. That's not a man.

• 2:00:10Speaker 05

  Transitioned or no?

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  No, she's actually a girl. She freaking fled to Syria.

• 2:00:16Speaker 00

  Power forward.

• 2:00:17Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 2:00:17Speaker 00

  Keep going.

• 2:00:18Speaker 02

  Like, and this is my point, John, I know you want to say, I can't wait to see what you have to say. This is the problem with these white, bored liberal women that have nothing to do, bro. They have nothing to do. They're so bored out of their minds. There's no men, there's no nothing because they hate us. They have to do, they have to get on causes, BLM, get in front of ICE, do all this. And to be a freaking terrorist, and Connor, go back to what she was dressed up as at Home Depot. She's dressed up like this at Home Depot, buying bomb making material.

• 2:00:48Speaker 03

  Excuse me, where are the detonators?

• 2:00:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, you might as well dress up like Dracula and go into a blood bank and say, I'd like to make a withdrawal. You are the dumbest person ever, but this is show, and look at how dumb she is. She changed her name to Aisha, which, you know, that's Mohammed the Prophet's nine year old wife. After he freaking, you know, hooked up with her when she was six years old. And she said, she texts us stuff like this, praise be to Allah for September 11th. This is a white woman from here. When I migrate, I will poison these infidels. Blowing Kaffir's brains out is beautiful. I want to destroy as much, these are all quotes. I want to destroy as much as the building as possible and kill senators when they're in meetings. And she wanted to go to the White House and she was trying to, at some point, kill the President of the United States.

• 2:01:31Speaker 03

  Know how she was recruited by ISIS?

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  Probably some guy messaged her, but this is what I want people to understand. This is real. If you don't think that there are actual, this, she's, she's the worst.

• 2:01:41Speaker 03

  But why would you start with Albany? Seriously, Hochul has, has found a way to work with Mondani. Okay. Why would you start with Albany? Why would you start with Albany? Albany is actually helping.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:01:55Speaker 03

  So you tell me.

• 2:01:56Speaker 05

  Doesn't have normal rational thought.

• 2:01:58Speaker 00

  So let me read a couple.

• 2:01:59Speaker 02

  White lady who pledged allegiance to ISIS.

• 2:02:00Speaker 00

  Converted to Islam five years ago. The fact that by itself, obviously no connection to terrorism, but she did. May of 2026, FBI investigators identified online accounts linked to Bowie expressing support for terrorism. She allegedly praised 9/11 like what Andy just talked about. She formed, pledged allegiance to ISIS. Around July 16, things moved from ideology towards operational planning. According to complaint, Bowie began communicating over an encrypted platform with a confidential FBI source whom she believed was an ISIS facilitator. She allegedly initiated the request for help. Complaint says she expressed a desire to conduct a major attack and sought assistance. Learning about explosive. The FBI source introduced her to additional confidential sources.

• 2:02:42Speaker 00

  Bowie apparently believed these people could help her facilitate ISIS inspired plans. Her alleged target became the New York State Capitol. She allegedly wanted to leave America and go to ISIS controlled territory. By the way, when she did an interview with them, this is what one of the Craig Termoli, Special Agent in Charge of FBI's Albany Office said, make no mistake about it, Ms. Bowie alleged plot was serious, it was dangerous and it was foiled. Now, this is what she told them. Ms. Bowie allegedly said, there is no helping me. You guys know enough. I'm going to prison for the rest of my life. Material support is up to 20 years in prison. I already Googled it. John, where are you at with this?

• 2:03:18Speaker 04

  I really hope that these people stay this dumb because if they become more intelligent, it can really get dangerous. And no one remembers this, but there was a period in American history in the late 1960s, early 1970s, where we had something like three or five bombings every day in this country, being executed by these like leftist terrorist groups like the Weather Underground. And now you never hear about this stuff. And in fact, a lot of the people who were coordinating this at the time went on to go teach at like prestigious universities. So instead of like their terrorists going to jail like we had with J6, that terrorist attacker, so they call it. Those people got like prestigious jobs at universities, think tanks, things of this nature. So this is kind of what we were talking about earlier. Like whenever the left feels like its back is against the wall, it gets pretty agitated, pretty scary with what these people are capable of. So I hope that they stay this stupid because we've seen what it looks like when they're intelligent, better coordinated.

• 2:04:03Speaker 04

  And it gets very violent very quickly.

• 2:04:05Speaker 00

  It's actually a very good perspective.

• 2:04:06Speaker 03

  I, I, I agree with you there. What was really crazy in California, and you're bringing it up, is, and it, and it shows you how it was on when Patty Hearst was kidnapped. They wanted to get money from her, her family's fortune. Anybody know the story? So Patty Hearst, yeah, Patty Hearst was kidnapped.

• 2:04:23Speaker 00

  You know who was her lawyer? F Lee Bailey.

• 2:04:26Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:04:26Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 2:04:27Speaker 03

  And they, she was the, the granddaughter of like William Randolph Hearst. And so she was converted, she was convinced and converted to join the symbionese liberation army, whatever that was. And then they said, now we need money. We don't have any financiers, so we're going to go knock over a bank. And they all went into a bank wearing berets and no disguise. There it is, symbionese liberation army. I remembered it right. And so they go in there to do that. This is during the seventies. This is during the seventies where you'd have a bomb in a mailbox blows up. You know, the mailboxes at the side of the street? You have a bomb in a mailbox blows up. You had all these things going on. And I think what's now is with online, there's more, take a look at what the FBI did.

• 2:05:11Speaker 03

  How many of the FBI guys have to be out there? And you know what they're using? You don't want to hear about it. Palantir. Listening, they're on encrypted platforms, they're on Discord and they're looking for this stuff. And this is where you see in the name of safety that it works. And they find these things. Hey, there's a person over here, a person over there. The millions and millions and millions of calls going on, somehow they filtered it, sniffed it out, jumped in, started tricking her.

• 2:05:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's talk about sniffing. So Eric Swalwell, the issue he has.

• 2:05:44Speaker 05

  Transition.

• 2:05:44Speaker 00

  Got illegal donations from suspected Chinese spy bombshell memo show. So what's the story with Eric Swalwell, Vinnie? I know your followers, what happened there?

• 2:05:52Speaker 02

  With Fang Fang?

• 2:05:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, what happened? What's the recent story with her?

• 2:05:54Speaker 03

  Is it Fang Fang or Bang Fang?

• 2:05:57Speaker 00

  That was a joke. That was a three.

• 2:06:00Speaker 02

  Alright, so let me just, hold on, Pat, did I have it right? Where is he?

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  Are you following this story with Swalwell?

• 2:06:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, he went to an airport yesterday and they took his phone and his laptop. And they said, we're still investigating you. This time, we want this for evidence on the sexual assault trial. And he apparently stood there in an airport and had to surrender them, correct?

• 2:06:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, he was, well, first of all, he was allowing a suspected Chinese, I know we make fun of her operative. She got access to his political operation, recommend interns, Pat, she was recommending interns to get close to members of Congress. Okay, and then Congress should, I think, if, I don't know if you guys think, Congress should have background checks for anybody, anybody working in or around you, especially if the time, you don't know, they just hire interns and they just show up and you'll want-

• 2:06:41Speaker 05

  Come on, Chang Li is a nice kid from San Francisco.

• 2:06:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Like, how many times are we gonna see China connected to people at the highest levels? Like, we already know, think about, look at, look at the pattern, Tom. Hunter Biden and his family dealings with Chinese money. Uh, China spy, they send the spy balloons over the country for four, for four years during Biden. And they were like, no, don't shoot it down, let it go, let it do reconnaissance, get to the edge of the water, and then they would shoot it down. Uh, all this stuff that we found out of them buying, buying land next to our freaking military bases, especially Mount St. Air Force Base, Montana, where our station, which was a nuclear base. Then you have Xi Jinping, Pat, he shows up to San Francisco. They kick all the homeless people out because they wanna make it look good for a leader who is our enemy.

• 2:07:21Speaker 05

  All in Swalwell's backyard.

• 2:07:22Speaker 02

  All in his backyard, on top of all the intellectual policy, uh, uh, property that they stole, China stealing our property, fentanyl, all that stuff. And a little virus that came out of China called COVID. At what point, Pat, like, she was in there, she was using him, they were probably, hey, with all the freaking blackmail stuff, who knows what she was doing? He's obviously, we've seen him on camera with the girl and on the, on the hotel bed and all that stuff. Who knows what she had, what she was using against him, what access, and what type of secret or whatever, Pat? He was on the House Intelligence Committee. It doesn't get more serious than that. So this, this, this bothers me, and again, this is China again at work. I know Trump says, yeah, well, we have spies too that are over there. They are way more infiltrated in, in our freaking government.

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  And again, Tom, COVID came out and there's still zero accountability. I don't care where it came from at this point.

• 2:08:12Speaker 05

  There may not be zero, because what, what happened here? Didn't they also search his home or something?

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  They went, well, they confiscated something as well.

• 2:08:19Speaker 05

  They searched his home on Sunday, then they, he wasn't home, and then they tracked him and went to the airport.

• 2:08:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:24Speaker 05

  And then they found them there, so I think there's some accountability coming to him, don't you think?

• 2:08:29Speaker 02

  But, Tom, until I see handcuffs, handcuffs, and them going to jail, just like all the perp works they, uh, perp walks they did under the Trump administration, from Roger Stone to everybody, I want to see a Democrat go to jail. Have, have any of them, meaning accountability for the actual crime that they did, not the bogus stuff that they did with Trump. Show me somebody, have you, who has gone to jail for, for, for a Democrat so far? Who, who was that one Congressman, Tom, that had gold or Egyptian gold or?

• 2:08:58Speaker 05

  Oh, Jerry Nadler? No, no, no, no, no, no, um, um, um, um, Bob Mendez?

• 2:09:02Speaker 02

  Oh, Bob Mendez?

• 2:09:03Speaker 05

  From, uh, New Jersey?

• 2:09:04Speaker 02

  Was he arrested?

• 2:09:04Speaker 05

  That's my bad, Jerry.

• 2:09:05Speaker 02

  But was he arrested? One guy? This guy?

• 2:09:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, Bob Mendez.

• 2:09:09Speaker 02

  But did he get, did he get released? I have yet, and, and again, and John, we talk about this accountability-

• 2:09:13Speaker 05

  Did he go to jail? Cause they confiscated gold bars and stuff.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, with, with, aside, let's take the, you know, the economy and the war and the prurient, put that aside.

• 2:09:23Speaker 05

  He currently lives at Federal Penitentiary, Allenwood, Pennsylvania.

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  We wanted, I, listen, I voted for, uh, illegals to get kicked out. I wanted no new wars, I wanted cheaper gas, I wanted all that, and I wanted accountability. We are now down to two years. Call me, okay, he got indicted, the shells were waiting. Is anybody gonna go to jail? Is anybody gonna go to prison, do you think?

• 2:09:46Speaker 04

  Probably not in this administration, no.

• 2:09:48Speaker 02

  It's, it's frustrating. Like, I want something, we want, like, you gotta give it to us, we voted for it. We, we, we were getting, I was in California.

• 2:09:56Speaker 00

  How do you say that? Why do you say, probably not in, in this administration?

• 2:09:59Speaker 04

  I mean, we've tried to do stuff and like, judges will throw it out, or they'll find technicalities. It's tough to use existing law to go after these people, and they're very talented at maneuvering to exploit the system. And so, I'm with you, like, I would like to see justice, but unfortunately, it's just not being delivered. Cause when they're in power, they can do it so much easier, like with the J6 investigation. They can basically push, uh, push a button and have the largest DOJ investigation in history, cause existing law can be manipulated such that, you know, people walking through the Capitol are equivalent to like domestic terrorists or something. And so, they're just far better at playing the game, they've got the pieces where they need to be. And so, when we're in power, it's like we're trying to cold start an engine that was never meant to run for us.

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  So, so the fact that they have, so like, right now, if the DOJ, FBI, everybody wants to go after these people, and actually throw the book at them, all these Biden-appointed or, you know, Obama-appointed judges are in there, and they just go, nope.

• 2:10:46Speaker 04

  I think that it could be done, but we need to work with a longer timeline. And we're not gonna have that longer timeline if we don't solve the baseline issues like you're talking about with gas prices affordability. Because, you know, a lot of times, people do favors politically for the base. And I think there's a good story to be told, actually, with maybe like Viktor Orban's Hungary, where it's like, this is a guy who got in there and he was supposed to be, you know, the real socially conservative. And so, he's doing a lot of favors for maybe the more socially conservative people in Hungary. But he was failing to maintain like a basic economic standard, and so the voters punished him for that. And you're gonna see a similar thing in America if we don't correct course, where it's like, yeah, you know, we've got the funny tweets, we've got the edits. We could maybe even, if we had the time, give you mass arrests of like corrupt politicians. But the voters aren't gonna reward that, because it's like, dude, honestly, like, I maybe appreciate that, I'm a conservative guy.

• 2:11:29Speaker 04

  But if I'm still paying $4 at the pump, bye, I'm gonna go vote for a Democrat. And you can't blame them for doing that, you know, it's like you say, people experience the economy through grocery prices and gas prices. And no matter what, they're gonna assume the man in the White House is responsible for both of those things. Even if inflation's better, we're still dealing with the hangover from the Biden-era inflation, doesn't matter. Explain that to the average voter, do you think they care? Probably not.

• 2:11:50Speaker 00

  Let me ask you a question, John. What is your position with, you know, youth influencers in the political space? The Hassan Pikers, the Fuentes, the Sisson? And I would also put, there's one other guy to put in that camp as well, there's, uh, what is the other one I'm missing out? There's one other name. But anyways, what do you think about what's going on with the younger influencers, both on the left and the right?

• 2:12:11Speaker 04

  I think that, uh, the left does a better job at it than the right does. I think the left is very much trying to drag their party in a productive political direction. You see like Hassan Piker showing face at these events, trying to be something of a kingmaker. The right is much more selfish. We try to do this in a way that's capturing market share, competing with each other. It, it's become, I'll put it this way, we used to talk a lot about ideas and having discourse, open dialogue. In the past couple of years, everything has become much more about, like, well, who are you getting paid by? Who's paying you to say that? Like, casting tar on people such that their integrity is called into question. And it's like, if I don't think you have integrity, well, then there's nothing for us to talk about, because I don't believe that you believe anything you're saying. And so, it's caused that kind of like civil war dynamic that the left is loving, which is why, when we saw like the first shots of this

• 2:12:52Speaker 04

  a year or so ago, already there were articles in the Washington Post, the Atlantic, New York Times, telling everybody, there's a civil war. Don't get too sad because Trump is president, there's a civil war, this is all gonna be divided, and it's not gonna be successful, it's not gonna have longevity. So, the left loves this, they're far better at playing the political game than people on the right, especially their influencers.

• 2:13:10Speaker 05

  How much do you think the, the, the right has suffered because someone like Charlie Kirk is no longer here?

• 2:13:14Speaker 04

  I literally could not think of a worse thing to happen. Uh, he was the second most important figure for conservatives, aside from Trump himself. I mean, nobody could reach people, let alone young people, the way Charlie Kirk could, which is why, I mean, everyone talks about who stood to benefit the most. The left probably stood to benefit the most, which is why millions of them celebrated it. I mean, normal Americans who are maybe apolitical saw their liberal friends and coworkers and relatives celebrate this, and they're like, I just saw this guy debating people on Instagram, why are you celebrating his death? So, it's almost like they understood how important he was more than a lot of conservatives. Like, I remember when I was, you know, 18, 19, I was like, Charlie Kirk says this, and I think that this is the right way. I was trying to like outflank him from the right. Now I realize how important this guy was, you know, it's not always about being the most right guy in the room. It's about building coalitions, working, how do we move the ball down the field?

• 2:14:00Speaker 04

  And clearly, nobody could do that like Charlie Kirk.

• 2:14:01Speaker 00

  Who are you seeing doing that right now? Who's building coalition right now?

• 2:14:05Speaker 04

  I think Trump and Vance are trying to hold something together, but it's extremely difficult. Because, you know, Charlie was the guy who could reward people for playing the game. Hey, you play the ball, you do what you're supposed to do, you can come to my event, you can speak, we'll give you rewards for good behavior. Now, absent that incentive structure, it's a knife fight, everyone just wants to, it's about me, it's about me, you're lying, you're lying. And then everyone goes viral casting, you know, arrows at each other, so it's extremely unproductive.

• 2:14:29Speaker 00

  Interesting, alright.

• 2:14:30Speaker 05

  And also, you know, the, I mean, we've said it before, we'll say it again, the famous quote, when you're young, if you're not a liberal, you have no heart. So, there's a lot of young people that are liberal. I was liberal growing up, and then you have to realize that truth and facts are not on your side. But that what Charlie did, not only just reward the influencers, he would show up to your college campus.

• 2:14:48Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:14:48Speaker 05

  He would show up, he would have events, so he would, he'd put himself out there. What the left is better at doing is organizing and showing up. So, I mean, the, the famous, uh, Thomas Sowell story, he's like, I was a Marxist. Why? Because the Marxists would come on campus and teach me. And then eventually, you know, facts showed up, and he ended up becoming obviously an economic conservative and one of the greatest thinkers of our life. I think after Charlie, the right needs to sort of take a step back and say, Trump's not gonna be here forever. We can't all just wait for Trump to come to our town, to do a rally. Who's gonna show up in your area, in your town, in your college, and step up and teach?

• 2:15:28Speaker 05

  And, and, and help young people understand, if you go too far left, everything's over in this country.

• 2:15:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay, alright, great conversations today. Uh, John Doyle, he has a YouTube channel, uh, called John Doyle, 366,000 subs, go support him. Uh, he's at TheBlaze, they do a great job over there, we're big fans of Glenn Beck, we love Glenn Beck. And, uh, TheBlaze, Glenn to me is hands down the best teacher this, you know, space has had, ever. Nobody taught better, when they would get on the screen and it would teach, and he was the best of the best. So, you're working with one of the best in the marketplace. Uh, with that being said, gang, have a great weekend, we will do this again on Monday. God bless everybody, take care, bye bye, bye bye.

• 2:16:11Speaker 06

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, theHouseMajorityPac.com, not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 2:16:41Speaker 14

  USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day, like superheroes and sidekicks, or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. Tap the banner to learn more and get a quote at USAA.com/bundle. Restrictions apply.