WNBA Defines “Woman,” America's Farmer Crisis, & Bibi Rejects Gaza Peace Plan | PBD Podcast #841

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team react to Enes Kanter Freedom and Royce White forcing the WNBA to define who qualifies as a woman, Trump’s top general searching for an off-ramp from the Iran war, and Abdul El-Sayed’s victory fueling claims that the DSA has become the Democrats’ MAGA movement. ---- 🎟️ SECURE YOUR 2026 VAULT TICKETS: https://bit.ly/4xU2SCW 👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 🧢 SHOP THE BLACK & GOLD FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT HAT: https://bit.ly/4pe7gZh 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of two boys and two girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:18Speaker 01

  You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 02

  My son's right there.

• 0:20Speaker 03

  I think I've ever said this before.

• 0:27Speaker 04

  It'll pass.

• 0:30Speaker 02

  Go ahead, Vinny, you want to tell us?

• 0:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Videos, you were saying, tough guy.

• 0:33Speaker 04

  Basically, it's just a heat rash.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Okay, all right, so, uh, gang, hope you had a good weekend. We got some, uh, crazy stories, uh, to go through. Some people this weekend thought it was a good idea to freeze their eggs. Because maybe that's their way of showing commitment. Like, how serious are you?

• 0:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  Are you a game, are you down to run for office in 2028 or no? She said, yes.

• 0:55Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 0:55Speaker 02

  So serious that she's freezing her eggs. Who, AOC, right? AOC, you gotta respect her.

• 1:01Speaker 04

  That Gillette, that.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  She was asked, you know, she was asked about being part of the DSA nationally or New York and her answer was given and then you had other people from the DSA kind of giving their vision

• 1:12Speaker 02

  of, uh, what's going on and the DSA is their MAGA, you know, and some people, your guy Fareed, uh, Zakaria was saying that their problem is gonna be, they're gonna do well in primary, but to go win, they gotta win independents. Are they gonna get independents or not? We'll talk about that. WNBA, folks, honestly, this poor girl does a regular foul. So what? She misses and almost breaks Sophia Cunningham's neck. It's white privilege.

• 1:37Speaker 04

  It's, it is.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  It's, you know, when she tweeted it, it's white privilege. And then shout out to Royce, uh, Royce White. Royce White and Enes Kanter, who posted the video that went berserk.

• 1:48Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  500 million views that went all over the place, announcing that they're willing to get into it. Can you imagine how embarrassing it is? By the way,

• 1:56Speaker 04

  I salute their bravery.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Two, three weeks ago, that's right, two, three weeks ago, I said, this is all on the top of the company, on WNBA. They need to take responsibility and stop the discussion so the guys can play. WNBA actually called a meeting to address the definition of women. Can you imagine how embarrassing it is that your league?

• 2:17Speaker 04

  It went nowhere, by the way.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Well, we're gonna see.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  Still haven't figured it out.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  We're gonna see what's gonna happen.

• 2:20Speaker 04

  Is it WNBA leadership or is this on Adam Silver to, because they, he's the boss.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Adam Silver needs to make the phone call and get it over with, but, uh, Multiple people said Adam talked to Kathy and nothing went, nothing happened. And then Caitlin Clark got a technical foul, you know, simply by running into, she was gonna get the suspension, they rescinded it, obviously, but the same referee, the African-American referee, another black girl player pushed her, never gave her a technical. Of course, it's white privilege that this is going on.

• 2:48Speaker 04

  100%.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  We'll, we'll talk about that.

• 2:50Speaker 04

  I thought we'd never do nothing.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Iran, you know, you got some stuff that's going on.

• 2:54Speaker 04

  Who's that?

• 2:55Speaker 02

  If you guys wanted to know, who does the most inappropriate jokes 10 to 1?

• 3:00Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  It's not even close. I know people think it's others. Tom leads the league in inappropriate jokes. We have to kind of hold it back with them. He's in the Hall of Fame, man. He is in the Hall of Fame at this point. Iran, uh, we gotta talk about some things with Iran on the issues going back and forth and, uh, how they're being impacted by.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  Adam's touching that and I'm losing, uh,

• 3:20Speaker 02

  What happened? Don't touch what?

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Just don't touch that cord, because I lost you guys.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  So Iran, uh, uh, you know, they had some things that happened this weekend and Netanyahu rejected the Board of Peace 15-point peace plan until Hamas truly disarmed. You know, it's a weird, uh, stat that came out from Pew. Pew is like Gallup. You, you trust Pew. Pew doesn't play games. And look what it says, Vinny. Nearly half of Muslim Americans have a favorable view of Hamas. The view the Pew poll finds. Let me say that again. Nearly half of Muslim Americans have a favorable view of Hamas. Okay, Hamas. So we'll see. I mean, this is, this is, we're not talking about anything but, uh, American Muslims. So we'll, we'll get into that. We'll talk about that.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Texas experiments, raw capitalism, they're dominating the marketplace with companies moving over there. You know, the Idaho shooting that happened last week at In-N-Out, a video came out and it was edited in such a perfect way. I want all of us to watch it together to see what happened and ask yourself how you react to this because of what this guy last week did in Idaho and then eventually killed himself. We'll, we'll talk about, I want you to see this video and they're, they're, they don't show the shooting. They don't show, the, the way it's edited, so perfectly done, that you get to see all of it, to see what could have been done differently to prevent this. I think it's important for us to talk about. Uh, Americans got the biggest raises in the last five, six years

• 4:44Speaker 02

  and it's still not making a big difference. Bill Maher said what the president is doing is socialism and Bill Maher may be right. I, I actually don't like what the president is doing in this one specific area because what it's doing is you're taking the argument away from what socialists are gonna do when they, one day take on office and they're gonna say, your favorite president, Trump, did this. So what's wrong with us doing it now? We'll, we'll get into that. It's important to talk about that. I think we're flirting with the idea, we're flirting with the idea of accepting socialism, uh, and, and not even knowing that we're doing it. So we'll talk about that a little bit. Flock Cameras, I don't know if you're for it or not, you know, these Flock Cameras are everywhere now. They're talking about wanting to use 350,000 Uber, you know, Lyft drivers to track what's going on

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  and there, there's some very strange stories with Flock and it's probably one of the most hated companies in America right now of what they're doing with the surveillance.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  My favorite story here, that's a tough one to read, that we have to address because these are our heroes. Farmers are filing bankruptcy and suicide at a rate we've never seen before. Every day, 41 farmers go bankrupt. Every single day. 41 farmers go bankrupt on a daily basis. It's a scary thought. And then one last story I got here is the Iran president. Check this out. Imagine you're the president of Iran, okay? You're only allowed to speak to the missing supreme leader in a dark car meeting. So what does that tell you? So you gotta go in a car that's dark to talk to Mosh Tabah in a, in a, to the supreme leader and you're the president? What is going on over there?

• 6:20Speaker 02

  We gotta address that. And then maybe if we got a chance to get into a couple of these other stories, we will do that as well. But with that being said, gang, Vault Conference, I, I think the last couple of days were ridiculous ticket selling days on the side. Some of these things are,

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• 8:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  For PBD Podcast would be a WNBA story. I never thought that, but they, they're blowing up. Okay? And so, so imagine if all of these things, Enes Kanter comes out saying he's announcing that he's going to the WNBA and, you know, he kinda did one of those things that I won't take my talents to the WNBA. He makes this video, he texts me, he's like, Pat, check this out. Funny as hell. Go ahead, play this clip. You know, he's ready for it, you know, he does this.

• 9:14Speaker 06

  After careful concentration and review of the current eligibility guidelines, I am officially declaring myself a WNBA prospect. If simply declaring who you are is all that's required, then I meet every single requirement necessary to compete in the WNBA.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  How embarrassing.

• 9:28Speaker 06

  My team and I have carefully examined the WNBA.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Pause it right here. So he does this. By the way, can you show? How many views this got? I think it's very important to say, imagine you make a clip. How much of a reason why video goes viral? Has to do with the content? How much does it have to do with the timing of it? You ready? This video got 254,000 likes. And it got 48 million views, 16,000 comments. In a span of couple of days, day and a half, right? Then Royce, is it Royce White?

• 10:01Speaker 07

  You have to play that video.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  He plays.

• 10:05Speaker 07

  Did you see his video?

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Play Royce White's video.

• 10:07Speaker 07

  Please make sure you do the right. No, no, no, no, no, no. Play the one where he's in a wig. I think Alex Jones.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  Is this it or?

• 10:13Speaker 07

  He's in a wig. He's got, guys, he's transitioning. Let's back up a second.

• 10:17Speaker 04

  Adam, let him live his truth. Don't try to make fun of him on this podcast.

• 10:19Speaker 07

  You have to see the video in the wig.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Find it. Put the one.

• 10:22Speaker 07

  You're gonna find it.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Anyway, so he posted up.

• 10:25Speaker 07

  It's incredible.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  That he's also going. And eventually, right afterwards, is this the one? Right afterward.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  He's so ugly as a.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Right afterwards, guess what gets in? WNBA leadership announces they're having an emergency meeting to discuss what they're gonna be doing with the W in WNBA. We have to identify what it is. Literally, they put a task force together to discuss the growing drama around transgender athletes because they got humiliated. They got humiliated by not taking a position. All they have to do is, Vinny, make a position at the top to say where they stand. And it would have been done with, but every single time you're hearing Katelyn Clark in interviews like, can we just talk basketball? Can we just talk basketball? Can we just talk basketball? And then while this is going on,

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Sophia Cunningham, if I'm saying her name correctly, Sophie Cunningham, she's going in for a layup. And I want you to see this, guys. Okay, watch this here. Boom. Obviously.

• 11:27Speaker 07

  In the face.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, in the face.

• 11:30Speaker 07

  In the face.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  She's going for the ball, guys. That's an innocent foul. Some people call this a flagrant two. She got kicked out of the game. The most impressive thing about this foul is the following. Let it go for two more seconds. Guess what? Sophie makes the shot.

• 11:43Speaker 07

  Oh, good. That's an L1, baby.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Forget the fact that she make, that's the most important thing. She makes the flipping shot. And one. And so she gets up, goes in her face. And then what does the girl tweet right afterwards? She tweets right afterwards that this foul, you ready for this?

• 11:58Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  She tweets, it's white privilege, Indiana fever.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  No doubt.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  White privilege on what's going on here. So, Adam, I'll come to you first because I know you're a big fan of WNBA. So for you, what do you think got them to the point of saying, we have to have this conversation? And do you actually believe the WNBA is gonna come out and do the same thing that the WTA did? The World Tennis Association, I believe it is, for women. The women's. They came out and they said, they're testing. If you're a male or a female, they're testing.

• 12:30Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, I saw that.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  So you think they're gonna come out and do the same thing that WTA did? Well, do you think they will go that far?

• 12:36Speaker 07

  I think the WNBA is in a big pickle here.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  You think?

• 12:40Speaker 07

  They, damned if you do.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Definitely don't like them.

• 12:43Speaker 07

  Damned if you don't. They're now in a pickle. You know, on that, on that foul with Sophie Cunningham, you know, they say, I went right there, Pat. I went right there. You know, they say, you do a hard foul, it's a technical foul. What do they say? Tee them up.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:58Speaker 07

  Tee them up.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 07

  Tee them up.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 07

  The whole WNBA is getting teed up right now. With the trans.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  I think.

• 13:04Speaker 07

  They got tea everywhere. They don't know what to do. When you have owners and coaches fighting against their own level-headed players, basically saying, trans kids matters more than you women in the WNBA? We got a problem.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  So again, listen, you said you got a problem. That wasn't a question. The question is, do you think they're gonna make the right decision with all the backlash they're getting? Do you think they're gonna be forced to make? If you got NBA players like Michael Porter Jr. and Alonzo Ball are like, what the hell? So these are guys that's supposed to be favoring WNBA. They're saying, you know how embarrassing it is at that point? They're getting Smith like saying, what are you doing? By the way, you saw this interview here?

• 13:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  This is interview, this is Katelyn Clark's coach. She's calling the foul on Sophie Cunningham. Maybe take it away from here.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  No, no, yeah, pardon. Guys, think about this. If you're a player and you're busting your butt.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  Who do you want to back you up?

• 13:55Speaker 07

  You gotta watch this because the coach is compromised.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  She's been, this is from last week, remember where she's like, I can't tell what's a guy or a guy, like a penis. I see a penis. How do I know it's real or not? This is the head coach after the foul, sticking up for the other girl.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  By the way, she's a lesbian. She's a lesbian herself. Play this clip, play this clip, and I'm gonna give you another. And I just want you to, when she's speaking, just focus on Katelyn Clark when she's giving her answer saying, I don't think that was intentional defending the girl that hit Sophie in the face and said white privilege. Watch this. Go for it.

• 14:26Speaker 08

  One of the things about Nae is that she's gonna play her butt off, man. She's gonna compete. Nobody's gonna go walking in for a layup. And so, I'm not, I don't oppose the hard foul. But I also don't think that she intentionally went for the net. One of the things about Nae is that she's gonna play her butt off.

• 14:40Speaker 04

  If you're my head coach, if you are the captain of the ship, so to speak, and that is your freaking attitude after my head almost got taken off? And this chick, can you, guys, can you imagine if the roles were reversed? This is the simplest way to think about it. If a white girl clotheslined a black chick, goes in the locker room and the first thing she tweets is black privilege? Forget about it. March is, it's over. It's over. And you know what drives me crazy about this WNBA thing? I feel like Michael Colion in Godfather III, when he's trying to get out of the mafia. Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in. And it's just, again, this is the, they're causing more problems. The juice isn't worth the freaking squeeze. Enough of it already.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Israel has nothing to do with this. I don't wanna, like, I don't want us to go there and kinda throw.

• 15:26Speaker 04

  Pat, they can't get out of their freaking way. It's a failing company. And when you give.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  It's not though, Vinny. This is the thing.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  How is it not, if they're losing 50 billion?

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Enterprises are now being valued at a billion, guys. Just think, listen, as much as we wanna take shots at them, tell me how many times we've talked about the WNBA last four weeks?

• 15:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Every week.

• 15:45Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  They're winning.

• 15:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  This is, no, no, no, they're winning because they're gonna adjust. They're going to adjust. And as long as the Sophie Cunningham and the Katelyn Clarks are there, the conservatives are gonna defend them. This is not going away. Millions of fathers have girls. There's millions of young girls that wanna play basketball one day.

• 16:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Millions of them. This is not, we can sit here and be like, take shots and let me tell you, these guys are dumb and stupid and all this. They're gonna sit there and just be cashing the checks behind closed doors.

• 16:14Speaker 04

  Well, here's my.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  As long as they get this right.

• 16:16Speaker 04

  But here's my question. I don't think they're gonna get it right, Pat. My honest opinion, but number two. Are they, hold on. Is this gonna translate to butts and seats?

• 16:23Speaker 07

  Translate?

• 16:24Speaker 04

  No, hold on. Yeah, because here's the thing. Who's going to these games?

• 16:27Speaker 02

  It is, guys. It, oh my God, guys. The attendance is up ever since Katelyn Clark came in. They're selling tickets. They're selling tickets. This, you can, you can sit there and because, just because you, like the other day, you know how Tico is right now obsessed with what's this show? This Goji, Jujitsu, Jujitsu, whatever it is.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Japanese anime.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, every, Jujutsu Kaisen. I sit, I watch one episode for, I'm gonna get so much hate for this. I sat and I watched one episode and I was like, do you know this is the guy, he's got staples on his forehead?

• 17:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  And this is how he gets to put his brain into your brain to get all the power that you have. What's the name of that guy, Jake? I'm sure you know what that guy's name is. So, okay, I'm impressed. Okay, so I'm sitting, I'm like, who would be impressed? Who would be interested in something like this? Vinny, then I go click it on YouTube. Millions on top of millions of views of people that are interested in something you and I would never watch. Millions of people are interested. Trust me, the WNBA is not going away. They're business. Look at this. Attendance from 6615 average to 9807 in 2024 after Katelyn Clark comes in, up 48%, then 11,000, then 11,000. No. This game's changed. Can you put me the highest and the lowest valuation of WNBA teams?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  Highest and the lowest valuation of WNBA teams? Highest and lowest valuation of WNBA teams? So while you're doing this, Tom, I'll come to you to get some of your thoughts. I wanna play you guys a couple of the clips and then we'll move on from this story.

• 17:56Speaker 07

  I have to play that one clip. Go ahead.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  Look at, look at that. Look at that, Vinny. The Golden State Valkyries are worth $850 million, Vinny. The average valuation is 427 million. Can you do me a favor? Ask the question, the average valuation in 2020, six years ago? Go back to 2020. So what's the high right now? 850, 280, 427, right? Just remember that. 850, 280, 427. This is six years ago. If we go six years ago, what are you looking at with the numbers? The owners are sitting there saying, I am loving this. Look, look at that, Vinny. In 2020, 10 to 20 million dollars.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Are you following me or no?

• 18:42Speaker 09

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  In 2020, in 2020 was 10 to 20 million. Vinnie, let me say this to you one more time. The average team's valuation in 2020 was 10 to 20 million dollars. The average valuation right now is 427 million dollars. Do you know what it's done? 20 to 40 X in your investment. By the way, you know what's Better than Bitcoin, buddy. You know, no, no. In, okay, you're joking? I'm not joking. Can you go and say, do me a favor and ask if a person had 10 million dollars to put into WNBA team in 2020 versus Bitcoin? What outperforms what? Just watch how embarrassing this is.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  As much as we want to laugh at the WNBA, Katelyn Clark has turned a bunch of people into billionaires. People don't realize this. All it took was a straight white girl who likes dudes to enter a black lesbian league. And she dominates them and everybody hates her for that. She just wants to play the game. She doesn't want to talk politics. She took a picture with Obama. She doesn't want to be seen as a Republican. She doesn't want to seen as a Democrat. She just wants to play ball. Look at the return here. Let me show you this, Vinnie. Watch this. Go back up. All you have to do is go back up.

• 19:57Speaker 09

  There's the sentence right there.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  No, no, the sentence is right there. Right there. Bitcoin has nine Xed. Vinnie, you 42 and a half Xed if you own the WNBA team. No matter how much shit people are talking, they're making these guys so much money. It ain't even funny how much I'm rapping right now. Yeah, money ain't funny, dummy.

• 20:16Speaker 09

  Get your stuff a WNBA team. We're gonna make it that green.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Two, Tom.

• 20:20Speaker 09

  First of all, Vinnie, you're speaking pure logic about the coach. That is not a coach. She carries the title of coach, but she is a spokesman for the culture and the DEI standards of the WNBA.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 20:33Speaker 09

  And she does not support her players. She supports that. So that's what's going on. You do not have coaches defending players the way you think you have. So here's the four choices they have, Pat. I, all weekend I looked at it and I synthesized it. Number one, they reject Kanter and they reject the two guys as, hey, that's a PR stunt. They reject them. What happens? The heat and everything in the PR war and everything that's going on continues. So number one, reject them. The war continues. Number two, you establish a trans standard. You have to have transition surgery. Your hormones can't be this. There are trans standards that are out there that are still not creating fairness between men and women competing, but there are trans standards.

• 21:17Speaker 09

  So they've created trans standards and then say, now we're trying to make it fair and you guys don't qualify as trans standards. The third thing is they define eligibility by biological sex and therefore reject them as males. And then you have the LGBT community and everybody that's inside the WNBA goes nuts. Or number four, you actually accept both and somebody's going to get hurt on the court. Or, or it's just going to be raw mayhem. I think what's about to happen, Pat? They have to create a trans standard, but then you're going to have some guys that are in transition,

• 22:02Speaker 09

  but they're 6'7", 6'10" that are bigger and stronger, even post-transition, playing with these. Because I do not believe, Pat, what's inside the WNBA. Do you think they can go to a biological test like tennis?

• 22:19Speaker 02

  They have to do it, Tom. They have to do it.

• 22:20Speaker 09

  But if they do that, Pat, think about the culture and everybody that's inside WNBA. Won't it be warfare with the LGBT?

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Let me tell you what's the bigger concern. Here's the bigger concern. You know what the bigger concern is? Do you remember that video of Brittany Griner in her backyard shooting the basketball without a shirt on? Everybody was like, oh, that looks like a guy.

• 22:37Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  The bigger concern, if they do that, is the following. Here's a question for you. How many current players in the WNBA do you actually think were born a man? That's the question. Pardon me? Let me ask the question one more time. How many current WNBA player? What do you think are the likelihood that currently the WNBA has players that were born a male? How many today?

• 23:06Speaker 09

  I think there's 100% chance that there's more than just Brittany Griner.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Okay. So what do you think?

• 23:10Speaker 09

  Griner.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know if Brittany was born a man. I mean, it certainly looks But the percentage, here's all you have to answer.

• 23:16Speaker 09

  Not zero, maybe?

• 23:17Speaker 02

  So what do you think it is? What do you think is the percentage that there's a player in the WNBA today that was born a man? Shush. It's higher than 0%. By the way, can you do me a favor? Anybody, if you're putting like super chats, I'll read it off. I know right now I got a super chat from a guy that's defending Sophie Cunningham. I actually want to know if I'm alone in this. Somebody posted a super chat, talking about how, what's her name was right? Sophie Cunningham was right? But to me, it is a real thing. What percentage chance that there is a current male player in the WNBA?

• 23:51Speaker 09

  2%?

• 23:52Speaker 02

  You think you're at 2%? Where are you at?

• 23:54Speaker 09

  I'm 100%.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Oh, Tom.

• 23:56Speaker 09

  I'm believing

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 23:57Speaker 09

  What do you mean? There is, I believe there is a 100. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna go deep analysis. I believe there's a 100% chance

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 24:05Speaker 09

  That there is at least one player

• 24:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 24:08Speaker 09

  In the NBA.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Born a man? Go check this out.

• 24:10Speaker 09

  Born a man.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Audiences are putting 2%, 85% D'Arc, B. Miller. Less than 1% is Kui, B.C. Power. You got a bunch of people between 1%, 0%, Sharni, Wing, 8700, 2 to 5%. You got Chevy Gooden, 0%. You got a bunch of people saying, you know, all these other things. Okay. Where are you at? What's your percentage that there's a male? Yeah, maybe 10% if that. Do you realize the problem then becomes the following? If they say no, I'm willing to bet the reason why they're not going to do it today is because there's a male player in the WNBA.

• 24:47Speaker 09

  They already have a Trojan horse in there?

• 24:48Speaker 02

  They know if they do that, the level of hypocrisy

• 24:52Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  That's going to show up will be such a, if they thought that we're getting a massive PR hit, it's going to be 10 times bigger. But if they say yes, they deserve the respect that they're going to get to stand on their position and say, here's where we are? Move on? If that story gets exposed, that the WNBA currently has a male player, do not be surprised. The moment they announce this, that less than five people quit the WNBA and get out. And they do what, what's that guy that got on his knee did? Kaepernick? Colin Kaepernick. Colin Kaepernick, that did. They get on their knees. I foresee something like that taking place. And I want to get to the next story. I want you to watch this here, by the way. I want you to watch this here. This is Dana White. Zoom out so I can read the description. This is Dana White. He's being asked Which one's Dana White?

• 25:36Speaker 02

  He's being asked, he's being asked why they don't have ring girls in the UK? Listen to the answer. You will be shocked why he cannot have ring girls. Ring boys. Listen to, can I, can you just let me? Ring girls in the, go ahead.

• 25:53Speaker 10

  Where are the ring card girls?

• 25:56Speaker 11

  Don't even get me started.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Watch this.

• 25:59Speaker 10

  I don't know what round we're in.

• 26:01Speaker 11

  The UK, the UK won't use ring card girls unless you have ring card boys.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 26:17Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Did you understand?

• 26:18Speaker 09

  We're all confused, exactly.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  So wait, this is a Zuffa boxing event? Listen, listen what she asked.

• 26:22Speaker 10

  Who wants to see a ring card boy? The fuck is that?

• 26:26Speaker 09

  You know who that is?

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 26:27Speaker 09

  Chat, you want to see a ring card boy? She's great.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  She's phenomenal. Her and Armon do their thing and they're phenomenal. The boyfriend always shoots everything. Shirt is ripped in the middle.

• 26:34Speaker 09

  Her boyfriend is Armon?

• 26:36Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Her boyfriend is the camera guy that shoots everything with her. By the way, her and Armon, when they make the videos,

• 26:42Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  The chemistry they have, it's like, you know, they're phenomenal.

• 26:46Speaker 09

  I think her name is Nina, right?

• 26:48Speaker 02

  I think, I think it is. She's phenomenal. But, but, but look at the madness in UK. You got a freaking fight taking place in the UK saying you can't have ring card girls unless if you have ring card boys.

• 27:01Speaker 09

  It's absurd.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  I mean, absurd is an understatement. That's double dumb. It's stupid. What do you want to?

• 27:06Speaker 09

  Who wants to look at boys walk around being like, second round?

• 27:10Speaker 02

  And by the way,

• 27:10Speaker 09

  Come on, guys.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  By the way, it's not even who wants to see boys. Believe it or not, there's a lot of people that want to see boys. But the question is, hang on a second. There is a question of the audience that goes to the UFC. Do they want to see boys? Hell to the no. They're going to see guys fight. They're going to see guys fight and they want to see

• 27:30Speaker 09

  I don't even want to see girls fight, but they do that. I want to see them being ring

• 27:34Speaker 02

  Have a question?

• 27:34Speaker 09

  No, hang on a second.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:37Speaker 09

  Is the UFC

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Tom, please don't defend the ring boy.

• 27:39Speaker 09

  No, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm defending

• 27:42Speaker 02

  It's close.

• 27:43Speaker 09

  A private company's right to conduct itself.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:46Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 27:46Speaker 09

  So suddenly you can't have ring card girls at an event by the UFC, produced by UFC, sold tickets by UFC in which they rented an arena from an owner. What this shows you, guess what? If the government gets in too close, you lose the ability to operate as an independent business. You are seeing in the UK what we don't want to have in the United States.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  So check this out. Check this out, Connor, I don't know what the WNBS is. Can you show the poll to the audience? So we ran a poll. What are the odds that there's at least one biological male currently in the WNBA? Okay, look at the poll, what it comes on the bottom, uh, bottom right. Do you see it? If you look at the poll.

• 28:29Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Zero percent, eighteen percent, ten percent, twenty percent, fifty percent, twenty-two percent. Thirty-nine percent believe there's a hundred percent chance that there's at least one male. I'm going to ask this question on X right now to see what the X is gonna do.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  It works all the time.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  And, and, and, and, oh my goodness, this is such a crazy thing that's going on with hundred percent. Fifty percent of the audience believe there's a hundred percent chance somebody's in the WNBA that's a male. Anyways, let me continue with this. This, this madness with WNBA male UK, they have lost their shit. I think this will be one of the things in 2028 that still the Democrats are going to get wrong is because they're not giving this up. They're not giving this up.

• 29:10Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  They don't realize there's plenty of Democrats who are pro-choice Democrats, who are John F. Kennedy Democrats, who have daughters who don't want men to compete with them. And they're going to lose that base to the independent mothers who are going to say, I cannot believe if you're forcing me to do this, I'm going to vote Republican.

• 29:27Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  They're going to lose in this area and they still don't get it.

• 29:30Speaker 09

  Fully agree.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  They still don't get it.

• 29:31Speaker 07

  I'll say one thing, Connor, who's one of the smartest guys here, called it WNBS. That's what's called a Freudian slip, the BS thing right there. Where I agree with you, sir, real quick, from a revenue standpoint, I get it. They're getting eyeballs, they're making money, they're putting butts in seats. But not all eyeballs are the same. They're getting the kind of freak show circus act eyeballs, but the revenue is increasing. My concern for the WNBA, which they, I've already lost them years ago, is their reputation. Nobody takes these people seriously at this point. If you want to be known as playing basketball, that ship has sailed. It's now basically a LGBT trans league and, you know, we're living in a woman's world and, uh, power to the people.

• 30:13Speaker 09

  You've been supporting them for years on this podcast. How many times?

• 30:16Speaker 07

  Oh, wait, sorry.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  After all these meetings.

• 30:18Speaker 07

  I've been saying this for years.

• 30:19Speaker 04

  After all these meetings, I know you want to move on. Do you think because of this whole thing and this whole tent LGBTQ, that they're going to say, okay, fine. If you're genuinely a trans, we'll let you play. If you're a dude that identifies and you're legitimate, not like the guys that.

• 30:33Speaker 09

  Where do you draw the line, Vinny? That's the whole point.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  My question is this.

• 30:36Speaker 09

  Are you pre-trans, are you post-trans?

• 30:38Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying.

• 30:38Speaker 09

  Did you cut it off? Did you not cut it off?

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Are they gonna do it though?

• 30:40Speaker 09

  Do you have a wig? Do you really identify?

• 30:42Speaker 04

  My question is, do they?

• 30:42Speaker 09

  It's such a slippery slope.

• 30:43Speaker 04

  Do they say yes?

• 30:44Speaker 09

  That you cannot win this.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Do they bend the knee though?

• 30:46Speaker 09

  You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  You still haven't answered my.

• 30:49Speaker 09

  And they got the gold medal right now.

• 30:51Speaker 04

  You still haven't answered my question.

• 30:52Speaker 09

  You said it correctly. You said they have a pickle or they're in a pickle. They're definitely in a. One of the two.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  So Adam, yes or no, are they going to let an actual trans dude come in? Are they going to practice with a Greek? Okay, good.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  All right, so let's see what happens. Let's go to the next thing. Next thing I want to get into is farmers. Look, I love my farmers. You know, we, we, we consult for a lot of our farmers here locally and nationwide. And I think they're the heroes, heroes of what we have in America that don't get enough credit. And this story breaks my heart and I think we need to bring more attention to it on what these guys are going through, farmers. Page 15, if you want to go to it. So Tom, I'm going to come to you with this one first, The Blaze. Great job on The Blaze writing this article. America is losing its farmers to bankruptcy and suicide. Okay, America is losing its farmers to bankruptcy and suicide.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  So American farmers face crushing debt with total farm debt projected to it $624.7 billion of debt. In Chapter 12 bankruptcies rising 46% last year to over 315 cases. A new John Deere combined can cost $1 million and farmers gamble ancestral property and diesel prices and rainfall. Every spring for too many farmers crushing debt becomes a death sentence. Uh, CDC data shows farmers take their own lives in a rate of, ready? Three and a half times higher than the national average. Let, let me, let me read that to you one more time. Okay, according to the CDC data, farmers take their own life, suicide,

• 32:19Speaker 02

  at a rate of three and a half times higher than the national average at 43.2% per 100,000 farm workers. America lost 15,000 individual farm operations in 2025 at an average of 41 a day. The average farm owner is 58 years old and many farm kids watch their fathers battle debt in despair before walking away from the family business. The USDA found the only growing farm category in, in, is those with annual sales of a million plus or more, while half of American farmland is now operated by farms with sales of at least $500,000, a country that destroys its independent producers, surrenders its national independence to foreign supply chains and corporate conglomerates.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Conservative ideals depend on preserving private property rights and local community ownership. American food security depends on those who begin work at sunrise and end long after it has set. Urgent action is needed before the damage becomes irreversible. Tom, thoughts?

• 33:19Speaker 09

  I have a lot of thoughts on this and one of the thoughts that I've always had is, um, in terms of corporate welfare, you know what corporate welfare is, Vinny?

• 33:29Speaker 04

  Corporate welfare?

• 33:31Speaker 09

  Yeah, that's, uh, the US government giving like permanent subsidies or permanent.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Bailing out companies, too big to fail. We're going to give you, you know, TARP money, all this stuff.

• 33:40Speaker 09

  What you find out is Monsanto and Archer Daniels Midland, ever heard of ADM? Archer Daniels.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  I know what Monsanto says, that's something they put on the crops and.

• 33:48Speaker 09

  Correct, well Monsanto and ADM make the chemicals that, uh, go after insects and a lot of other things they make where that's genetically modified seeds and things. They've been receiving subsidies forever and they've always one of the top two that's ever them, Bayer, ADM. Um, and it, it's just amazing the amount of money that goes to them. But then they turn around and sell these things full price to the farmers. And the farmers are trying to, uh, to run it. The number one thing that freaks me out is that the average farmer is 58 and the only farmers that are making money are those with sales of a million or more,

• 34:29Speaker 09

  which means the factory farms and the big ones are the ones that are still there, uh, who can deliver. It means distribution in farming is, kind of goes away. You used to have distributors where you grow apples, I grow apples, Adam grows apples. We ship our apples to Pat. Pat is the largest apple distributor in the United States. He ships them to the markets and we're, and then we, he pays us the going rate for wholesale apples. What happens is you're losing distribution and you're losing independent business people. 58-year-old and rising mean no one's getting in business to be a farmer. And I'd like to know, Pat, what RFK thinks about this?

• 35:10Speaker 09

  Because what it means is the only thing that's going to be left, good luck finding organic. Because the only thing that's going to be left is the factory farm and genetically modified food that they can grow in big bulk at low cost and ship it to Costco. And so that's where we're heading. And because it's the small farmers that are, that are making the organic stuff. And somebody's going to say, no, that's not true. There are big ones. Yeah, there are, but go look at the number of small farmers that care that are making, you know, organic, organic crops. And so this is sad because what it means is we're heading to, Pat, permanent factory farming. And you've got people like ADM and Monsanto that are getting all these subsidies.

• 35:55Speaker 09

  And then the independent farmers aren't. So I think that there's, we've had too big to fail, but in American farmers, I think that there's such a thing as too important to fail, but I don't know where to start. Because do you then subsidize the farmer with tax dollars? Or do you let the market work? But in this case, it just, it sickens me.

• 36:19Speaker 07

  I agree with, with Tom on a corporate basis and too big to fail. I want to focus on, uh, on something that is really underplayed in, in society today. And that's male depression and male suicide rates, which.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  No, stay on this topic, stay on farmers.

• 36:36Speaker 07

  It is, I'm telling you right now.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:39Speaker 07

  Okay, I'm staying on farmers. The reason I'm bringing up male suicide rates is because it's something that's very important here. I, I, I was meeting with a veterans group, advocacy group for veterans, great group. They said, do you realize that how many veterans kill themselves every year and was shocking number? They said it was 35 for every 100,000 citizens. It was one of the highest up there by far. They said, you know who's higher than that? And they showed me the stats. They go farmers, people who work in agriculture, 43 through 100,000. The highest thing is mining workers. What I'm getting at is life is tough. If you're a military guy, do you know what you're doing to your body to, what it's taxing on you? If you're a farmer, the, the stress that it's putting on your body and economic stress.

• 37:25Speaker 07

  If you're a mining worker and you're living, mining the mines, people don't understand how lucky we have in society today. Because these men are putting their lives on the line for us. So when it comes to the farmers, the respect that you have for them is, is totally justifiable. Because what they do for society, we don't eat unless the farmers grow their food. We're not protected unless the veterans protect us. That's the angle I have on this.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, okay. Um, I mean, you're not saying, hey, life is tough, suck it up, someone's got to do the job. That's not what you're saying because that's a very cold position if you're taking that.

• 37:58Speaker 07

  That's not what I said at all.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  This, this, this is.

• 38:00Speaker 07

  This is tough out there.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, you know, you know, when, when you go to the airport and you see military and I always want to walk aside and say, hey, thank you for your service, thank you for your service. But I see farmers, it's the same thing. Thank you for your service. I'm like, what do you mean? I said, what, what do you mean? What do I mean? What do you mean, what do I mean? How many people are willing to do the job that you're doing? And there's something very emotional about it because they hang with their kids. They have kids like the, it's the OG reason why you had kids. You have kids because you want them to help you on the farm and help grow the business and you pass it down to them. And this is a generational thing. A lot of time when you see families like, this is what my grandfather did. I spent time with my grandfather on the farm and the memories. So imagine your memories with your grandfather. What was those memories like? For these guys, the memory is, I was helping him be a farmer. I was working with him. That guy was my hero.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  And, and right now, the way they're modeling it, they're finding ways, like, you know, the too big to fail, similar to how.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Military industrial complex came in and they bought it. We used to have 55 different companies that's built and sold weapons and they that were competing with Boeing, that were competing with General Dynamics. Now we got like a handful of them.

• 38:59Speaker 09

  We showed that chart.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, the show of getting, we've shown this many times and now this is why I'm happy that Paul Marlucky is doing what he's doing. Trust me, we want more farmers. Trust me, we want more farmers to be, you know, doing what they're doing rather than picking them up and going through it. Unfortunately, a part of capitalism is this is what happens to capitalism. Unfortunately, there is not, you know, there's no, and the government gives a lot of subsidies every year to farmers. I don't know if you know the numbers or not. It's a big number that they give out to them. It's a, it's a very big number because they're trying to find a way, they're trying to find a way for them to stick, stick around and do their business, but yes.

• 39:39Speaker 09

  I just, a lot of what BDC does is helping blue collar businesses grow.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  We, we.

• 39:44Speaker 09

  You have any farmers that?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Saul and Mario just went and visited two of our farmers. One of them does 150 million a year, the other one does 300 million dollars a year. Yes.

• 39:54Speaker 09

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  The margins are small, but they work their tails off and so.

• 39:57Speaker 09

  Can they adjust?

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Some of them can, some of them cannot. And remember, it's like the small businesses, the small businesses. Remember the numbers at half a million to a million dollars? These guys are trying to have a hard, they're having a hard time making it work right now. It's very tough, but.

• 40:10Speaker 09

  Their kids want to get back into the business or they want to get?

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Some of them do, some of them don't. Yeah, right there. Look at that right there. So in 2025, 30.5 billion dollars in direct government farm payments was made. Just to make sure they make it. 2026 forecast is 44.3 billion dollars. So we're, we're doing our best, but the reality of it is the model of the bigger ones coming and picking up the smaller ones, it's just happening at a very fast pace and you hate to see these stories. And so, yeah, it, it breaks my heart.

• 40:37Speaker 09

  This is what's called crop insurance and the American consumer pays for the crop insurance, but the top, um, top 10% of the recipients take 78% of it. And so the small guys at the bottom, that bottom 80% only gets 8%.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  You know what this is like? And, and I want to move on to the next story. This is kind of like when they were giving out the PPP loans and we had a board meeting and I don't know what the amount was for us. It was somewhere between a million to four million dollars that we take on PPP loans and never have to pay it back. And I sat with my board. I won't say the guy's name. He'll remember this. It was a handful of people in the room. They said, hey, let's take the money. We don't have to do anything with that. So I'll never take this money. He said, why not? I said, we're killing it right now. We're making more money than we've ever made before. You want me to take PPP loan? It's not impacting me. If it was, we would have taken it. It's not. Let the restaurant guy take it that's going out of business. That's what he's saying. So 78% of it is going to the big guys that really don't need it. So, so they need to readjust this to give it to people under a certain amount of dollars that they do per year, not the big heavyweight guys that are already succeeding and winning.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  So there's some adjustments we can still do, uh, in this area and hopefully, hopefully we will.

• 41:40Speaker 09

  I double checked the number. Bottom 80% of the farmers only received 9% of the.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  That's BS because that's who needs it. That's who needs to go to. Yeah, that's BS.

• 41:49Speaker 09

  So the money's going to all the big guys?

• 41:51Speaker 02

  Dude, that's, that's, you know what that's like? That's like giving unemployment checks to people that are employed.

• 41:56Speaker 09

  It's so stupid.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  What are you doing? If there is the unemployment insurance that we have that pays it off for three months until somebody gets a job, just give it to them. We're giving that money to everybody. I, I think, I think it's a mistake, but anyways, let's adjust. And let's go to the next story. We pray for you to all the farmers, your heroes. I got so much respect for you guys. Every time I see you, I love you guys. Appreciate you for your hard work and dedication. A lot of respect for you and your family. It breaks my heart when I see legacy businesses go away. Uh, as a father, I'm building my business that God will, and one day the kids will be involved in it. It's, um, anyways, our prayers are with you and our support with you. Let me get to the next message.

• 42:30Speaker 09

  Can't wait for Brooklyn to be my boss.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Next message I want to go to is what happened at the Idaho shooting? I want to show this to you. I watched this video multiple times. And I want to play this at a 1.5 speed. It's a four and a half minute video. We won't show all of it, but we will kind of fast forward. Remember last week when we talked about the Idaho shooting? We were all sitting around and it showed the video of the guy going like this. And we're like, what the hell is going on? Then there was another brave man, uh, uh, who, who got involved. And he came in and he's like, wait a minute, I saw this. And he was kind of one of the guys that pushed him off to the point that he eventually killed himself. So, so this could, this could happen to anybody, anywhere. Okay. And I'm not trying to scare you, but this video depicts what happened there, right?

• 43:18Speaker 02

  So just imagine what the In-N-Out workers look like when you see them. They're smiling. It's a faith-based company. They're not open on Sundays. They're building based on solid values and in Idaho is the number one state and licensed to carry more people in Idaho carry throughout the day than any other state in America. They're number one, just so you know this. It's not like this happened in Chicago. Chirac or it happened in Baltimore or LA or Compton. No, this is in Idaho. So watch the guy that's narrating as we're going through this.

• 43:50Speaker 09

  I would put the speed at 1.5.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Is, I, I thought we put it at 1.5. We did. Go for it.

• 43:54Speaker 09

  Okay.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  When he reaches the payment window, the gunman shoots the first victim, Ashley Garibay, who later succumbed to her injuries at the hospital. The gunman proceeds in the drive-through, parking his car.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  He shot her already, just so you know that. That's one. Now watch what he does. He stops the car so people can't go around.

• 44:11Speaker 09

  Shoots the guy right there.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  Shoots the guy in front of dead. Watch this.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  Austin James runs towards the incident where he encounters the gunman and is the third victim shot.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  So the cop just runs up.

• 44:21Speaker 09

  And gets shot.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  He gets shot, runs away, he's bleeding.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Mr. James retreats and draws his handgun.

• 44:26Speaker 09

  He's in a black shirt, right?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  The gray shirt.

• 44:27Speaker 09

  Or a traitor is in the black shirt. Got it. Now watch. And people are sucking.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  Due to his severe injury and blood loss, he is pulled back into his vehicle and given aid before going to the hospital.

• 44:36Speaker 09

  That's a police officer. Gotcha.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  So now watch, people are panicking. They, they got.

• 44:41Speaker 09

  This is the guy.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  Watch.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  He fires into the window a second time before his handgun jams.

• 44:46Speaker 09

  He's shooting in the window.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Returns to his vehicle to retrieve a rifle.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  So it locks up.

• 44:49Speaker 09

  Look at In-N-Out.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  This is the workers. So imagine.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Inside the restaurant and off-duty Idaho State Police Trooper assists in evacuating patrons and employees while he searches for the threat.

• 44:57Speaker 09

  This is another off-duty officer.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  With the rifle, the gunman runs back to the drive-through and fires at nearby patrons before returning to the payment window for a third time.

• 45:09Speaker 09

  There's a cop.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but wait for it. There's a couple of guys that want to come help and see what happens to them.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  The off-duty ISP trooper and the gunman exchange fire. The gunman retreats before returning to the payment window for a fourth time, firing inside and striking the fourth victim, a good Samaritan who is attempting to assist the off-duty trooper and render aid to the victim inside.

• 45:34Speaker 09

  We still haven't seen that guy, Jordan, yet.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Wait for it. Wait for it. No, you're not going to see it. See what, what he does.

• 45:44Speaker 09

  Wrong with this guy. It's called the devil.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  People like this exist. So now watch, these people are trying to get out and go save themselves.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  A woman fleeing from inside the restaurant runs alongside the building before encountering the gunman. She takes cover behind his vehicle and picks up the handgun he left behind.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  And now he runs off.

• 46:00Speaker 09

  So now he's running off towards the road.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, but watch what he does at the road. So now innocent people are driving by. Watch what he does.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Discovering it is jammed, she discards the pistol as she runs away and the gunman walks towards Blue Lakes Boulevard North. The gunman fires at multiple vehicles that are stopped at a red light.

• 46:15Speaker 09

  Should he start shooting at the cars?

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Listen, he starts shooting at cars driving on a regular road.

• 46:22Speaker 09

  Oh my God.

• 46:25Speaker 09

  Sick.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  So then he comes back.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  A good Samaritan with a handgun engages the gunman who is running north towards the Tesla charging station.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  So you see the guy right there is charging his car in his Tesla. Look what he does to him.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Watch.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  The gunman shoots the eighth victim in the first Tesla. He then shoots the third deceased victim, Dale Schultz, and his passenger, the 10th victim, in the second Tesla.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Deceased.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  The gunman proceeds through the parking lot.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  You're sitting in your Tesla, charging your car.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  He is seen by people inside who evacuate the store.

• 47:01Speaker 09

  This is just sick.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  This is just sick.

• 47:04Speaker 09

  He's just killing arbitrarily. He doesn't care who it is.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  And he goes to a trail and he talks to some person that works it, that kind of delays him. And the cops show up and then when they surround him, like the coward that he is, he shoots himself in the, in the.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  So how many fast food workers do we have in America that are young kids? How many parents do you have right now? Now imagine you're a parent, your kid works at McDonald's, works at Burger King, works at Wendy's, works at In-N-Out. Every day your kid goes to work, this could happen anywhere. So now, how do you process this right here, Tom? Now that you see the video going from the beginning to the end, how do you react to it? I have a lot of thoughts. I'm curious to know what you think about it.

• 47:40Speaker 09

  So first of all, I, I know this area. Uh, Kim, myself, the girls, we've been to this, this exact In-N-Out a dozen times. Uh, right across Canyon Rim Trail where he ultimately shot himself, um, is where my, my father-in-law lives, right there in Twin Falls. And this guy was just absolutely disturbed. We can talk about him all day long, but what I. I was amazed at the video. How many times did he say Good Samaritan? It's because the people, there is a reason that Idaho is number 50 in muggings and in, in crime, because there's a 62% chance someone's going to be armed.

• 48:22Speaker 09

  And I want, in the midst of the tragedy, I honestly was sitting there thinking to myself, how many times was he interrupted by a citizen with a weapon? A citizen with a weapon deterred him from the main street where he was indiscriminately shooting at those cars that came back. And it's just, and this is before the police could arrive and set up perimeter and, and do with this. And so I'm very pleased that trained, responsible citizens were part of this. And I, I think people are going to talk about the tragedy side of it, which is number one in the headline, and people just charging their Tesla. Two of them get shot in the front seat of their car, sitting there in a Tesla, waiting

• 49:06Speaker 09

  the 20 minutes for it to get about an 80% charge. That was a supercharger station. But how, the second point I go to is if it wasn't for the Good Samaritans there, how much worse could this have been?

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, so to me, the first thing that I get is, whatever you do, get a gun. Follow the guidelines of your state. Follow the guidelines of whatever you're doing. You have to protect yourself today. There's a lot of weird things going on right now. I'm gonna show you a clip of what happened this weekend when Adam went to dinner in Miami. I actually want to go through, we'll go through it right afterwards too, because I want to hear your thoughts from it as well. And people, I, I, there was a, there was an article we read last week that said 2020, we read last week that said 2028, I think it was Axios, that said 2028 will be the year of AI, elections, right? Bots. I, I posted a, Adam Kinzinger said something, can you go on Twitter, can you go on Twitter on Adam Kinzinger's account?

• 50:02Speaker 02

  I cannot even believe I'm going to this guy's account. Go to Adam Kinzinger's account. I don't know who he was until you guys were describing it. I'm like, who is this guy? Go to Adam, I think we've talked about him once before and then you reminded me, I'm like, okay, I know who he is.

• 50:13Speaker 09

  He got shot out of the political cannon.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Go a little bit lower, go a little bit lower. So I retweeted the fact that, you know, Elon Musk's Starlink is thinking about competing with AT&T and others. And I said, we were on a flight that had Starlink and I was, go, right there, you're about to get to it, right? Click on that first, click on my tweet first, so we can go back. So, and, right there. So Starlink is preparing to launch a rival cellular services challenge to T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T. I was on a flight yesterday that has Starlink. The service was amazing. I was able to FaceTime and make calls during the entire flight. Literally, I'm making calls and doing FaceTime with people calling me, they're like, what are you doing? I'm on a flight. Now, it was a PJ. So we're with our business associates, eight, eight of us. We're not on a regular flight that was that, we wouldn't be doing that with people sitting off. First of all, flight attendants won't let you do that.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  So Adam responds back and says, which is so amazing, just for everyone around you to hear, bet you loudly talk about all your business deals, which we do. But he's being sarcastic and I'm asking, what is he saying by this? I'm just curious into what he's saying. So I went back and I responded to the comment, go a little bit lower to see my comment being, and I said, says the guy who got a preemptive pardon from Biden.

• 51:19Speaker 09

  Thank you.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Nothing, nothing says I'm guilty like getting a preemptive pardon. I'd keep my mouth shut if I were you. No one on either side trusts you. I would also put likes you. All the best. This is like a prostitute for media that's used. It's a cheap prostitute. They just use guys like this. But if you can click my comments and go under my comment, I want you to see what the first guy says. First guy says, STFU, which you know what that means? You're a Jewish puppet. Okay, all right, maybe I am. Let me click on, let me see what this guy's saying. Go click on, click on his account if you can.

• 51:52Speaker 09

  Yeah, hover over the, the non-picture.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  And look at this. Account started when? May 2026. Oh, this is a bot. So imagine people are like, this works by the way, just so you know, people believe this. So go back to the account and, and if you can, yeah, UAE. Go back to the account and look what I said. Okay, good, uh, uh, let's see, right there. And you're a bot who started this account two months ago. Keep dividing and spreading lies. You don't win at the end. You just make a ton of noise and confuse the majority for a short period. And they do. And so imagine if a, your young person who doesn't double check, oh my God, these, I do, these people are this much. And then you all of a sudden take action and you go to become a hero and you do what this kid just did and you kill yourself at the end.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  You killed a bunch of innocent people that are trying to, so what's the point? What is our responsibility as fathers, men, husbands, leaders of our household? One of the jobs we have is the S-word, security, safety. We have to do our part. Things like this can happen at any time because crazies are everywhere. And right now, there's benefit to inciting rage, because they need those opportunities. Political parties look for these types of opportunities. But what can you, what can you and I do? We gotta protect ourselves. You had something that happened the other day, we're in the car, we're talking, where a guy pulls up in a parking lot and you were ready.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were ready to.

• 53:15Speaker 04

  Thank God, I saw, I saw two guys pull in. I'm cleaning my car in, in a parking lot, big empty parking lot. Two guys pull up at them, they're chilling, they watch me, they turn around and they're in another empty parking lot and it's just a stare off. And they're staring at me and guess what? I'm ready to go. And I'm just sitting there, because my truck is tall, and I'm just like this, and I'm staring at them, and after literally three minutes, I just go, are we good? Are we good? Brother, my gun is right there, right in front of me. And then vroom, and they sped off. So I don't know what they were up to, but you have to be on, on high alert.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  It's, it's pretty, it's pretty, and by the way, it's not for people to be like, man, imagine what kind of time we're living and we're going to have guns. This happened in 1776 as well. This was the case in 1800s more than today. It's just it was normal back then, 1900s and today. You know, it, it's, it's a very normal thing for us to have to protect ourselves. I can tell you what states I wouldn't be living in. I wouldn't be living in a state or a city where I can't carry. Never. You would never find me living in a place that I can't carry. Never. There's no benefit to it. I'm out. I remember the first time our Range Rover was broken into at night when I was asleep. Guy comes in, takes, takes my bag and takes my, uh, uh, security system. And I said, uh-oh, we're not living here anymore. 90 days later, I moved into a gated community, we bought a bunch of guns in California.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  And in that moment, is when a Time Magazine article came out on the cover, it says, you can pull this up actually, Time Magazine, United States of Texas. And I said, you know what? I'm getting the hell out of California. And I started selling Jen, Morale, my family, Melva, everybody, we're moving to Texas. Everyone's like, but we don't want to move to Texas. We're moving to Texas. We're moving to Texas. And we moved to Texas. Because of, it offers a little bit more of a freedom than it did in California. So you as a leader of the household, you gotta make a decision where you want to take your kids to, to feel free. Adam, I'll come to you for a couple of thoughts and then we'll move on to the next story.

• 55:01Speaker 09

  Well, regarding that Idaho shooting.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 55:04Speaker 09

  You know, the first thing that comes to mind is just how, they say, life is short, man, life is short. And, and I'm, we're in the insurance business. We know that life is actually long if you're healthy, but what life is, is precious. At any point, I mean, at any point, whether you're in the car on the way to work, you're charging your Tesla to In-N-Out, crazy people are out there. So I agree with you. You gotta take the necessary precautions to stay safe. That's really all it is. Uh, but you wanted to talk about this other thing?

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Well, no, I, I, well, on the shooting and the thing, I mean, Tom made a bunch of great points, is how many times civilians stepped up. I wish that cop, you're an off-duty cop, have a little bit, you don't just, whatever tactic school he went to, just running around the corner, he should come up and you should, you know that there's a threat, you hear the shooting, be, you know, be more cognizant and, and use your training. But then, you know, we don't know nothing about this kid. What type of mental?

• 55:56Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  What is going on with you? I want to find out, the meds, you know, the social footprint, the friends that didn't say things.

• 56:03Speaker 09

  The family, the family.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  I'm very curious to what, and, and again, I'm talking about evil is evil and I'm pretty sure it was inside of his soul, but what gets you to that point where that you have to do that and that's going through your body? Shoot, like, when he was just standing there, trying to figure out, where am I gonna go to the street? There's something evil going on inside you, but how he got there? But for that girl, the biggest shot, that, that young girl that ran all the way on the side, ducks for cover, grabs his gun, because she was trying to engage and the gun is jammed. That's why he, he couldn't keep shooting in the window.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Dude, that girl's, that girl's toughness is.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  Holy moly! And that she ducked behind the car and in her head, she's like, I'm gonna grab the gun and I'm gonna engage. It jammed. Thank God he didn't come to her, because she would have been screwed. But Tom made a great point, the bravery and the people that stood up, because guess what? If nobody shot back, if nobody engaged him, it would have been three times more.

• 56:51Speaker 09

  Have they located this guy's family?

• 56:53Speaker 02

  He's dead. I mean, they're right now, they haven't told us anything. Meaning, the, the market right now is waiting to learn more about this guy. They still haven't revealed enough information about him. Hopefully, they will some for us to know what's happening. So this weekend, you're in Miami and me and the family come back from dinner. And we're at dinner, we're about to watch Margin Call. All of a sudden, Vinny's like, what's this? We're getting tagged all over the place on X. I'm like, what is this? And it's a video of Adam, you're in it. I'll play it. So maybe, you know, uh, uh, let us know what's going on here before I play the clip. Just give us a little bit of an insight of what this is.

• 57:25Speaker 09

  Uh, I'm in Miami, I'm in Miami Beach. I'm actually going to an event for our friend Dominic Czarninski. It's, it's a meetup and, uh, people are there. I'm not scheduled to be there, I have no affiliation with it. I'm just coming to say hi to, uh, to someone that we've interviewed multiple times. And you don't know who you're gonna run into in the lobby.

• 57:45Speaker 07

  That's really all it comes down to.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  So, okay, so then here's what happens. You run into a guy named...

• 57:50Speaker 07

  I don't even want to say his name.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  You have to say his name.

• 57:53Speaker 07

  I think it's Jake.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Jake Lang.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  So here's what happens. Go for it.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  I know what you guys do, but you guys need to get pressed out. Uh-oh. You guys need a couple fucking nigger bombs dropped on your podcast. I'm gonna burn the Koran. Just like, dude, what are you doing?

• 58:06Speaker 12

  Yeah, that shouldn't be your thing. That's fucked up. It shouldn't be.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  By the way, he's sitting with like 10 people, 12 people.

• 58:12Speaker 04

  He has the Koran.

• 58:13Speaker 12

  He's Jewish, he's against that. That's base, yeah.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  That's not base. Yo, W I, I cover that.

• 58:18Speaker 07

  I just kept saying, "Not my thing, buddy. This is not my thing. You're not my thing."

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Dude, this guy's burning his...

• 58:23Speaker 07

  Not my thing, not my thing.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  He's burning a Koran.

• 58:25Speaker 07

  He's burning a Koran. Listen, he's sitting there.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  Look at this bunch of race trading faggots. Fuck Patrick McDavid, deport him. Fucking...

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  Fuck him. And the restaurant's not...

• 58:37Speaker 07

  Let's hear what his people are saying.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  He's not just burning the Koran, he's burning his bridge right now, bro. This guy's burning his bridge right now.

• 58:44Speaker 07

  So, I want to comment on that.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Get Patrick McDavid, he gonna fuckin' reach shit, fuckin'... Yeah, he just got a phone call. Patrick McDavid sucks Indian cock. He's just got a phone call.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Got it, okay, so... What is his shtick? This is the guy that takes the pork and goes in Dearborn and walks around and bake bacon and all... This is the same guy?

• 59:05Speaker 07

  This is the guy that's looking for trouble.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  You know which guy it is, Pat? Can you just play that? Play that? This is a Jewish dude... Hold on, play, slow the music. This is a Jewish dude, okay? A Jewish guy that goes around, says he's Christian, Pat, and he's trying to do civil unrest against Christians and Muslims, okay? You know how I feel about Islam and all that stuff, but I have Muslims friends and I love Muslims, but what he's doing, what he's doing, burning the Koran, shoving bacon in it, you know exactly what his motive is, and I'd be very, very interested to see who's paying him to be that guy. That's not normal and that's not natural, Pat. That's not organic. That's all a show. And he's in a restaurant with butane or lighter fluid lighting and nobody's saying anything.

• 59:47Speaker 04

  He's a fraud. He's a fraud. And I would bet money, Jake, none of this dialogue that you would ever say about him or us ever into our face, ever. And keep go... By the way, keep going. Keep going to Dearborn and keep doing that crap with the bacon and...

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Some people say, he did say to Adam's face.

• 1:00:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, well, listen.

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  I'm saying, say it to me, say it with me there and see what happens.

• 1:00:09Speaker 07

  Here's what I've learned, here's what I know. You called me. I'm at dinner. I just got to the restaurant. Remember, I was like, "What's going on, PBD?" You said, "How, what happened? How was it? What's going on?" I go, "What are you talking about?" I go, "The meetup with Dominic?"

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 1:00:25Speaker 07

  They're like, "No, the video of you." I go, "What video?" I had no clue. Yes? So, you sent me the video, I look at it and I realize this. 15 seconds is all it takes to run into somebody for something stupid to happen. I don't know this guy, I don't hang out with this guy, this is not my... You run into this person. So, all you could do is avoid toxic people.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Is this your first interaction with him?

• 1:00:48Speaker 07

  Yes. I think he's been on Unusual Suspects. He's upset that you don't want him on the PBD podcast. Here, I'll give you some context, actually. You see some other kid, there's a black kid there and a white kid there, if you want to show the video. The one kid saying, "He's burning his bridge. He's burning his bridge." This kid, if you say this. He's not just burning this. Watch this. We're giving this kid...

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  Yo, why, but hold on, why'd he start recording?

• 1:01:10Speaker 07

  There's a black kid there.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  He knew something was gonna go down.

• 1:01:12Speaker 07

  There's a black guy there and this kid, watch this. Just understand.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  I heard, I heard.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  He's not just burning the Koran, he's burning his bridge right now, bro. This guy's burning his bridge.

• 1:01:21Speaker 07

  He goes, "Hey, man, would love to come on the podcast and talk to you." And I was like, "Yeah, man, we'll see."

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  But that's what he said pre.

• 1:01:26Speaker 07

  Yes. I said, "Hey, man, we'll see. That's not my call." And then he goes, "Well, we gotta something about, we gotta press you, dah dah dah." And I'm like, "Okay, whatever that means." The kid was trying to basically coordinate us. I'm like, "Yeah, bro, we're not talking." Imagine you're a black guy sitting at dinner with this guy who's shouting the N-word. Why are you sitting with this guy?

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  Why don't you punch him in the face?

• 1:01:46Speaker 07

  Imagine you're this kid that's trying to, I don't know, do something reasonable with his life? And this is who you hang out with. My ultimate point is this. The people who are sitting with this guy have a choice to stay at that dinner or leave. I've been in some stupid rooms in my life. I've been around some stupid ass people. What I do is walk the F away. If you're that person that after dinner stays there, after some guy burns the Koran, shouts N-bombs, telling everybody, "S my D," or everything, that's on you. This guy's got major issues. Good luck to him. My question is, the people around him, why are you around the person?

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  But Jake Lang is the January 6 with the bat hitting... Bro, he's there to provoke, and I'm, I hope somebody out there, I don't know, one of these investigative journalists, and allegedly texting underage girls and trying to holler at girls too. So if you think about who he is, what he's doing, where he's from, Pat, and then beating up cops with the bat, can you show, that's him with a bat, January 6.

• 1:02:42Speaker 07

  No, no, this is, emphasize that.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  That's Jake Lang.

• 1:02:45Speaker 07

  He's there, J6.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  Guys, so don't, it's, it's, piece it together. Who he is, what he's about, what he's claiming, he's an operative. Plain and simple. You're a fraud. You're a fraud.

• 1:02:57Speaker 07

  Thank you for sharing that. As much as information you know about him, I know nothing. He was a dude who came up to me to say what's up.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Well, we opened our doors as well. We gave him...

• 1:03:05Speaker 07

  He's been here on the show?

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  We gave him Unusual Suspects, we were freaking cool.

• 1:03:07Speaker 07

  You were on the show with him?

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  I was on the show, I was cool, I was hosting the show.

• 1:03:11Speaker 07

  I wasn't on that show.

• 1:03:12Speaker 04

  No, you weren't. You're not an unusual suspect.

• 1:03:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  So, I'm just saying, I know this guy, this guy is unoriginal, he's a freaking operative and I can't wait to find out.

• 1:03:21Speaker 07

  We're giving him exactly what he wants.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  No, my, it's not even what we're giving him. So, he, you know, I saw a girl the other day, tagged me in a video, and I'm like, "Wait." She just like went off, "Patrick McDavid is this," and she just went off on trash at me. I'm like, "Wait a minute, I think I know this girl. She came for a job, interview." And I said, "Let me go check my DM with this girl." I did. She reached out to me, I'm a big fan, I love the content, I love what you, I love the fact that you interviewed Andrew Tate. And then there's an entire, "Hey, can I come?" So I said, "Give me your number." I gave it to Robert O'Rourke. Robert, you go do an interview. And then now, so there's a pattern, which by the way, the longer you're around, this happens. If you don't give people a platform, they get angry and they come out and call you everything that's... So, that part, it is what it is.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  But the part with guys like this is burning the Koran?

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  My son is reading it. What, burning the Koran? You know, my son read Communist Manifesto. We read everything. I read Mein Kampf. Anything and everything to get educated, to learn what's going on on the other side that you may or may not agree with, and ask yourself, "Why are so many other people interested in this topic?" We want to get educated. Burn it? It's the dumbest thing you can do. That's exactly what, you know, caused the fatwa that you got from Khomeini back in the days with Salman Rushdie burning it. You don't do stuff like that, but there are plenty of people like that in America today that want this, and it gets you to think about who wants to divide America. This is not a pro-America guy. This is not a guy that's gonna unify us.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  This is not a guy that's gonna do that. This just raises the temperature, more than anything else. Now, don't get me wrong, the price of freedom of speech is what? He gets to say everything you just said.

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  Of course he can.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  That's America. He gets to say anything he wants to say. But there will come a time where you're gonna face somebody and that person's not gonna, you know, not gonna handle it like a lot of other guys. That's how this world works. You can go around talking as much shit as you want, then you meet somebody, and then something happens. Those types of people are out there. Our goal is to try to lower the temperature instead of seeing something like this take place. Unfortunately, this is not a good example of it. But when I saw this video that was sent my way, I'm like, "Wait, what? What was this all about?" So, anyways, now we know where he stands, and FYI, to us, we give everybody a platform. The guy sent me a message on my next, and you know what? Things changed ever since you hosted BB. I said, "Really?" "Yeah."

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  "Okay." I said, "Tell me what other podcast hosted BB and hosted Nick Fuentes within 30 days." Go ahead, I'll wait. Go ahead. And then tell me which other show hosted BB and Fuentes and Mehdi Hassan and Andrew Wilson and Andrew Tate. And, go ahead, try to find somebody. It does not exist. It doesn't exist. We're the only ones that will sit down and have the conversations with everybody. And people feel comfortable doing that. You know, people will feel comfortable doing that. So, I'm in the, like, you know, right now, Andrew Wilson and I think Candace Owens, they're going back and forth.

• 1:06:24Speaker 07

  I hope they have a debate.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  I hope they do it, okay? I hope, but you know what it is?

• 1:06:28Speaker 07

  What is it?

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  I'm glad they're doing it, and there's a camp that's gonna side with Candace. Candace has got a bigger audience than Andrew, and there's gonna be a camp that sides with Andrew. But guess who wins? The audience that gets to hear both arguments and hopefully both of them will come prepared, and let's see how people react to it. So, to me, this behavior right here is the kind of behavior that gets America closer to a civil war. You don't need stuff like this. You don't need stuff like...

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  And it's not, I'm telling you right now, my heart of hearts, he's not organic. That doesn't just come out of nowhere where you're that guy and you're doing it and it's all on purpose. And don't get me wrong, I understand about the fight, okay? I understand Islam, the ideology, the stages of them coming here. I get that and I'm willing to fight and I'm down to fight, okay? Because the enemy that we're gonna be fighting, I'm not gonna pass it down to our kids and nieces and nephews, no. It's, that fight's coming, and it's here, and I'm gonna fight it now.

• 1:07:19Speaker 07

  I just have the last word.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  But that's ridiculous. And that's him right there getting his butt jumped. Look at him. And then he's playing the victim.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  See, here's doing what right?

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  He's there, he's there with the, um...

• 1:07:27Speaker 07

  He's a professional agitator.

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  He has a sign that's like...

• 1:07:29Speaker 07

  He's an agitator.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  But wait a minute, what's that sign right there? What's he doing here?

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  He's in Dear, I guess Dearborn?

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  What sign is he holding?

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  I don't know what it was.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  But by the way, let's just say he's holding a sign that has to do with Jesus, but he went out there and put the bacon...

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  Bacon in his crotch.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  In his crotch.

• 1:07:42Speaker 04

  And then in the Bible, and the Koran.

• 1:07:44Speaker 07

  He's saying America's a Christian country. He's agitating.

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  A Jewish guy with a Christian sign. Give me a break, bro.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 1:07:50Speaker 07

  Look, I don't know what, I just want to say this one last thing. I completely disavow this person.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Of course you, you don't even know him.

• 1:07:56Speaker 07

  I have nothing to do with this. That's all I'll say.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, all right, so let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is, and by the way, this is the crazy part. People watch this and it's like going back to the day where I went to Publix, and I'm wearing a Future Looks Bright shirt, and I'm wearing a Future Looks Bright hat. And I do this every time I go to the same lady to order my Marta Della.

• 1:08:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  Every time. And she smirks at me every single time. And she says, "You really believe the future looks bright?" "Yes." "You really believe that?" "Yeah." I said, "You don't?" "No, of course I don't believe the future looks bright." I said, "You believe in God?" "Yeah, of course I believe in God." "How do you not believe the future looks bright if you believe in God?" "Yeah, but that's after we die." I said, "No, that's not how this works." I said, "That's not how this works." It works when you truly believe in the future looks bright because God is in charge at the end of the day and everything works itself out. Even with that bot when I said... You're gonna be able to confuse certain people and all, but you're not gonna win at the end of the day. Folks, bots are coming for your brain and your mind. And unfortunately, they're, you know who they're able to get? The younger audience. Oh my God,

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  let me go do something because I'm a hero. And I certainly believe the future looks bright, ourselves. That position's not gonna change for us. Uh, and by the way, if you can, but we're about to announce three new shoes. Oh, I can't wait for you guys to hear the whole new big announcement we're making with Future Looks Bright. In the interim, let's play the clip for the FLB shoes. Go for it. When we set out to create a shoe that blends comfort, function, and luxury, we had the choice to make it fast, we had the choice to make it cheap. We chose neither. Instead, we chose Tuscanyero. We chose true Italian craftsmanship. Each pair touched by 50 skilled hands. We chose patience, spending two years perfecting every detail, and we chose the finest

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  quality at every step. Introducing the Future Looks Bright collection. Not rushed, not disposable, not ordinary, rather intentional, luxurious, timeless.

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  It's funny, I was at our annual convention last week in Las Vegas and I was wearing $2,000 dress shoes because it's my last one. I'm like, let me just wear the, I flew in in the FLBs, but on stage for four hours, I said, let me wear these dress shoes.

• 1:10:15Speaker 09

  How'd you feel on your back?

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  How did I feel? My feet were begging me to toss the shoes out. I was begging. I get a call from Stefano Rich, they say, you look amazing with your new shoes. We're so proud of you. I said, never again. I said, this made me feel so uncomfortable. Yeah, but you know, to be comfortable, to look good, you have to be uncomfortable. I said, no, George, I disagree. We had a nice little friendly back and forth. And so I've worn these things, FLBs, nonstop. They're so flipping comfortable. It's not even funny and light at the same time. If you haven't yet, place an order for yourself, your husband, your son. Go to vteamrich.com, place your order. With that being said, let's get to the next story. Next story I want to get to is kind of a weird story. Weird story. Iran's president only allowed to speak to missing Supreme Leader in a dark meeting. What? This can't be real. This is

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  a movie. This, this is Donnie Brasco. This is Goodfellas. This is Godfather. No, no, this is Iran. Seriously. Yes. So officially, the modern day Corleone veto is a different name of Mosh Tabah Khamenei. That's who he is today. You gotta meet underground. Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian was allegedly taken to a secret Iran location allowed minutes into a dark tinted window car with a man presented as Supreme Leader Moshaba Khamenei. According to Iran International, Pezeshkian could not see the man beside him and later asked whether the voice he had heard had really belonged to the Supreme Leader. Sources claim the report described the president as finding the situation humiliating, particularly

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  after it took threats to resign to convince handlers to allow the meeting. Moshaba Khamenei, who succeeded his father Ali after his death on February 28th, has not made any public appearances, no released videos or audio statements, leaving Iranians with no proof of whether he's alive or not. Rumors suggest he has severely, he was severely injured in the airstrike that killed his father potentially with a disfigured face or limb amputation. Pezeshkian claimed in May to have met Khamenei for two and a half hours, describing the conversation as direct and frank, but in a Thursday state media interview, conceded communication is now very difficult. He nonetheless praised Khamenei as exceptional in terms of ethics, logic, and humility, and denied planning to resign, saying, I will not resign and I will stand firm. Iran International had reported Pezeshkian attempted to resign

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  dozens of times with Khamenei, alleged, allegedly warning he would not, he would accept the next resignation letter. Trump mocked the regime in April. Iran is having a very hard time figuring out who their leader is. They just don't know. Tom, thoughts on the story?

• 1:12:44Speaker 09

  Well, CIA and other people, there've been leaks all over the place since the, uh, the attacks, the very early attacks, that there was a full building collapse and supposedly he did, uh, lose an eye and, um, was disfigured and allegedly lost a lower limb that was pinned in debris. So then that's from, that's not conjecture. That's the conclusion coming out of multiple leaks and reports. And then the guy doesn't show up in, uh, public. And so he's basically, we have, we have no place to say anything about this. And I'll tell

• 1:13:21Speaker 09

  you why. Because we just had Biden as president and for the last two years, there was evidence of incapacitation. This guy's incapacitated. They won't even let him go out in public because they don't want to show with Trump to say, that's what I did to that guy. You're next. You're next, Vinny. They don't want that, right? They don't want to give Trump that, that victory. I knew where you were and I got you. So that, that's what's going on. But you haven't, they have basically an incapacitated leader. They're trying to make good and make it work. But you know what? We had an incapacitated leader. We could clearly see that, that Biden was, was suffering, whether it was dementia or Alzheimer's or

• 1:14:03Speaker 09

  age-related disorder, whatever it was. We, it was, it was sad to see. If, if you have a heart, I do have a heart, and it was sad to see what we were doing with our president. So we don't, no pun intended, but we don't have a leg to stand on here because they're not the only country that's had an incapacitated leader and they don't want to put it out in public. And then the real question is, Pat, who's really running the country?

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  But you know what it makes me think about? I'm sorry, Vinny. You know what it makes me think about is because he claimed, Pezeshkian claimed he had a meeting with him on, in early May for two and a half hours, but no videos, no audio, no pictures, no nothing. And people are like, wait a minute, you really sure that took place? You sure that meeting took place? No handshake? Nothing. So we have to now believe that. And the part that gets me to question, by the way, this article's an, you know, reported by Reuters, Bloomberg. So it's not like it's a story that's a, you know, daily, uh, mail story. No, it's a mail, it's a story that's coming up from credible sources. The question becomes, why drop that story today? Why? Why drop that story today? After what? After the offers that are being

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  made? You know, after, you know, negotiation where Americans are realizing that Iran's economy is in shambles and they don't want Iran, you know, US to have the leverage over that? By the way, you know what's the one thing Iranian leaders follow very, very, very closely? The polls in America, midterm polls, Trump's credibility. You know what Iran said on their news this past weekend? Iran said on their news this past weekend that the Iran war is the number one reason why Trump is now a, not a popular president in America. And the longer it goes, the less popular Trump gets, getting closer to the midterm. So they know timing. And then at the same time, you know, the whole story with the 15

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  point that came in, that Bibi apparently is not, uh, where's that story at that says, uh, Netanyahu rejects board of peace 15-point peace plan until Hamas truly is disarmed. That story comes out until, until Hamas is truly disarmed. And Tom, what, what are your thoughts with the agreement, the 15-point, why Bibi wouldn't agree to it? I think you even said it's kind of fair. It's not like it's that aggressive of a request that they have.

• 1:16:17Speaker 09

  Yeah, well, Bibi doesn't trust anything that the other side would be willing to sign. Period. He doesn't trust it. The same way we don't have a lot of trust of Iran.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:16:28Speaker 09

  However, a lot of-

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  May I read this? Let me read this. Israel rejects a 15-point plan. Netanyahu said at the start of a cabinet meeting, the IDF will not make any withdrawal until Hamas is truly dismissed and will continue to thwart threats against the forces and citizens. So that, that's kind of what the, regarding the Gaza Strip, first of all, I want to clarify that the main thing is as long as I am prime minister, there will be no Palestinian state, neither in Gaza, nor in Judea or Samaria. Netanyahu said, when I say disarming Hamas, I mean the heavy weapons, the less heavy weapons, all the weapons. And we are talking about the real disarmament, not fictitious disarmament. Netanyahu called Trump our greatest friend in the White House, but added, we can and know how to stand our ground even against our best friend when necessary.

• 1:17:12Speaker 09

  Yeah, is what Israel is saying is, I wanted to find your disarmament and I'm not gonna sign an agreement where both of us do something. And the agreement, remember, when Anwar Sadat came across the Suez Canal, um, and, um, 67? Adam? Or 73? I don't know. No, no. There's three major wars that happened in Israel at that time. So when Anwar Sadat came across, there was an incredibly difficult negotiation because Israel actually defended and pushed back and pushed back further. And so now Israel was occupying land which was previously belonged to Egypt before they attacked. So they attacked and they got, got

• 1:17:57Speaker 09

  pushed way back. And there's this massive negotiation that had to go through, but cool heads prevailed and they were able to get it. Neither wanted military stuff in that area. So Israel historically has been able to protect itself and get what's necessary. This seems that there were some reasonable parts to it, but Bibi came back and said, look, if it's anything involving a Palestinian state here, or you don't disarm first, we're not gonna do it. And it's like, it's like two guys that are pointing guns at each other, Pat, right? You have a standoff. He says, okay, we both drop our guns. No, you drop yours first. The other guy's not gonna do that. Why? I drop my gun, then I get shot.

• 1:18:42Speaker 09

  So I, I kind of felt that there was room in this, but Israel, uh, doesn't want it. Um, and I thought there was, there was room to have progress here and we need progress. And clearly there's some zero acceptables that Bibi has.

• 1:19:00Speaker 07

  Uh, I have three points. So number one, Trump is in a very tough spot. I don't know if you've ever tried to negotiate with Iranian and a Jewish guy. It's not easy. And that's what Trump is trying to do. So if I were to recommend Trump, if I was in Trump's ear with Iran and Israel right now, I would say number one, brush up on the book that you- Authored called The Art of the Deal. Make sure you remember all your stuff. And I would read one more book. You ever read the book Never Split the Difference? And it's basically a hostage negotiator. Who's basically saying, here's how you deal with business, like how I dealt with hostage negotiations. Right? Negotiate as if your life depends on it. Now, there's why I respect Iran and the IRGC. Cause they're really good at what they do.

• 1:19:45Speaker 07

  And what do they do? Is they hold people hostage really well. That's kind of what terrorist, that terrorist thing, you know? They'll hold their own people hostage. They'll hold the Gulf States hostage, because if you try to basically do anything in there, they're just going to shoot down American bases. And if they could, they'd hold the whole world hostage with nukes. And Trump is realizing, how do you negotiate with these people? You know, what's the famous thing they said in Afghanistan? You guys might have the watches, but we have all the time. They will wait out Trump. Now, what I will push back on that is, and I've said this before, they're worried about the end of times and Trump's worried about midterms. So come midterms, I think Trump is going to deal with this one way or another. We're just going to wait this out.

• 1:20:27Speaker 07

  The Iranian economy is plummeting, whereas what, what's the worst thing that's happened here? A dollar extra in gas prices? I get it. Uh, I think after midterms, this thing gets, gets settled. As far as Bibi goes, look, when I was on the plane, I read this article. Here you go. Here's these two guys sitting and, sitting and having a discussion. I think they're not fully aligned, but they're aligned enough to know who the bad guy is. And that's Iran.

• 1:20:51Speaker 04

  Vinny. Uh, well, I mean, rejecting the plan, but I mean, complete disarmament, I think it's almost impossible standard. How, how do you prove it? Who, who decides Hamas has zero weapons left? Who's going to verify the tunnels, the hidden weapons and not like, if Israel gets to decide when Hamas is fully disarmed, then Israel gets to decide when the war ends. Okay. And at some point, America has to ask like, what's actually achievable? What, what are you trying to do? Because I've seen the videos, I've seen everything. Gaza is no more. So we're Hamas, so we just have to take your word and say like Hamas. I, I thought we killed everybody. I thought everybody was dead. So now you could just keep saying, well, Hamas is still there. You everything, Adam, because think about the sons and all the people that Hamas is never going to go anywhere. Because now you just created a bunch of people that are upset. What's your recommendation? No, my recommendation is it's going to keep going. It's never going to, you think.

• 1:21:36Speaker 04

  What's your recommendation though? There is no recommendation, Adam, because there's no, there's no. Alright. That, that's like when you said the war. You don't have a record. When you say the war on terrorism, there's no face.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  Well, let me, let me read this to you, Vinny. Let me read this to you. So from the post millennial, nearly half of Muslim Americans have a favorable view of Hamas. Pew Poll finds, this is not Fox News poll. This is not Breitbart. This is Pew. Pew and Gallup are probably two of the most credible that are nonpartisan polls out there. Okay. And some may even say they lean left, but they're fairly reasonable. According to Pew Research survey from, uh, from July, 44% of Muslim Americans support Hamas. While 26% have a favorable view of Israel people, 26% of Muslims. Among all, one out of four Muslim has a favorable view of Israeli people. 74% don't. Three out of four.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Among all Americans under the age of 30, 58% said they have a favorable view of Palestinian people compared to 32% said the same about Israelis. Pew also found a significant shift amongst Republicans. Republicans under 30 view Palestinian Israelis more similarly than older Republicans, a notable change from previous years and Republicans were far more favorable towards Israel. Democrats have more positive view of Palestinian authority than of Israeli government. Younger Democrats were slightly more likely to view Hamas favorably than Israeli government, while older Democrats were slightly more favorable of Israel's government. Religious affiliation also played a, a significant role. Jewish Americans and white evangelical Protestants were favorable to Israeli people than the government than other groups.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  White evangelical Protestants were the only religious group surveyed in which a majority expressed favorable view of Israel government. That means Catholic and others, and they were on the other side. The findings came amid growing skepticism amongst Americans towards both Israel's actions and conflict of Gaza and Iran and influence within the US. So 44% supported Hamas. How do you react to this poll?

• 1:23:32Speaker 04

  I mean, that's, it's not good. It's a terrorist organization. But what, what, what my question is, what pushes Americans besides the bots and all the, what, what is changing that view on people of Hamas? I'm very curious.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  What do you think?

• 1:23:48Speaker 04

  No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just curious because we saw, got October 7th, horrible, horrible Hamas, horrible terrorism, horrible. But the, the response, I think one of them could be the response of Israel was so brutal and so over the top that it's making people bad because it could have easily been, could have easily.

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  You want to know what's crazy? I had Ben Shapiro on last week.

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  And the podcast is going to come out this Wednesday. And we talked about Nick Fontes and he said something he's never said about Nick Fontes, which I think the audience, groypers go tag each other and you'll know.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  This Wednesday.

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  This Wednesday, it'll drop. And then we talked about his biggest blind spot. I was surprised that he was actually open to the discussion of his blind spot. He actually openly talked about it.

• 1:24:29Speaker 04

  Okay, his blind spot.

• 1:24:30Speaker 07

  It's a great part of the discussion.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  It's one of the best parts of discussion.

• 1:24:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  But you know what else he talked about, what Israel did wrong? He says, you know what's the biggest criticism Netanyahu gets in Israel today? I'll let him describe it. He says, in Israel, both on the left and on the far right, they're both united on one thing, that Bibi didn't respond fast enough and strong enough against Hamas. Let me say it one more time. In Israel, the people that criticize him, that are probably going to take over Israel now, they're going to replace Bibi.

• 1:25:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  On the left and the right, if there's one thing they're united on is that Bibi didn't, Bibi didn't react fast enough to what Hamas did to their people.

• 1:25:09Speaker 07

  He didn't go hard enough.

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  He didn't go hard enough. So, well, I mean, let's, we'll see what's going to happen there. The part that is interesting is 44% is favorable of Hamas? Tom, how, how do you, how do you look at this poll? Pew?

• 1:25:23Speaker 09

  Uh, well, with, with some degree of horror, you have people that are living here in the United States and want all the freedom that we afford. And they have a positive viewpoint of a world terrorist group. I, and I, and that, so does it shock me? You know what? When people tell you who they are, believe them. And that's, it shocks me. You know, we have great freedoms in the United States and we have all sorts of, you know, faiths from people around the world. I don't remember Hindu Indians saying that they had a favorable view of some, you know, terrorist group and they would love them to come over and wreak havoc and they look forward to it.

• 1:26:04Speaker 09

  I don't recall Buddhist Japanese who came over after World War II, talking about that they look forward to Buddha coming over and, and raising Cain. And I, I just didn't see it. And now they openly say what they want to do in the future with Islam in America. And then they say they support a, uh, uh, you know, a paramilitary organization. That's a terrorist group supported by Iran. To which I say, I'm not surprised, but I'm, I'm kind of worried.

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  Adam, final thoughts and we'll move on.

• 1:26:40Speaker 07

  Well, uh, number one, Israel has a PR problem. They do not have a, a winning a war problem. They have a PR problem. Uh, Hamas are like freedom fighters is like saying Al Qaeda are aviation aficionados. You gotta go.

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  I didn't call them freedom fighters. I call them terrorist organizations.

• 1:26:59Speaker 07

  Wasn't talking to you, Tom. I'm just, I'm talking about Hamas. What's, we're talking about, that's the story is about, right? So, uh, what I'll say about this for the people that love Hamas, I would ask, how do you feel about ISIS? How do you feel about Al Qaeda? How do you feel about Hezbollah? When you answer that, we'll have a little clarity, but more importantly, how do you feel about America? Cause something tells me the people that are rooting for Hamas are also rooting against America. So if I'm Israel, I'm looking at the lay of the land and I recognize that I have a PR problem. But then it comes back to the conversation they had in white man can't jump. Would you rather look bad and win? Or look good and lose? And I would argue you always want to win. You always want to have total victory if you can.

• 1:27:44Speaker 07

  And you'd rather be respected versus liked. So yes, Israel has to clean up their PR problem, but Hamas is the bad guy here.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, listen, we'll see, we'll see what happens. And, and again, the Ben Shapiro interview, when it comes out, it is very, very interesting what things he talked about. And by the way, he reached out to me to come on the podcast. We didn't reach out to him. He, you know, the last time when it was cancelling all this stuff after Nick Fontes, he reached out, we sat down, we had a great conversation and Nick was one of the topics of discussion. And it could lead to, into very interesting thing afterwards. Uh, let's get to the next story. Next story I want to get into is flock cameras. I don't know if you're following this thing with flock cameras, very, very weird what they're doing. Like how much more do you want to know? And this is, this, by the way, I actually think this is going to be a topic of discussion in midterms and 2028 that people have to address, that people truly have to address. So let me, let me kind of go through this with you. And.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  You tell me how you feel about this. What page is it on? Page 14? All right, here we go. Flock planned to use 350,000 Uber Lyft and delivery drivers as mobile license plate cameras.

• 1:28:48Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  Uber drivers? Yes. What's your outcome? Why are you doing this? A Flock presentation obtained through a public record request shows the surveillance company planned to use dash cameras installed in hundreds of thousands of Uber Lyft and delivery cars to collect license plate data of its network. The document written to present to Georgia office of the Attorney General last August stated, plus Nexar partnership, which include 350,000 Uber Lyft and other delivery service devices. Flock told 404 Media it never executed the partnership with Nexar, but the presentation lays out the company's plan to enlist rideshare and delivery drivers to gather license plate data. It is not clear whether Uber Lyft or drivers would have known their vehicles were being used for this purpose. Nexar sells dash

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  cams that provide front cabin and rear view and already offers clear license plate capture with full HD video. Neither Uber nor Lyft responded to request.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  For comment from 404 Media, the report comes as Breitbart News recently documented at least 50 law enforcement officers caught using Flock data to stalk victims, including online police chief who allegedly tracked his ex-girlfriend and her teenage daughter plates about 600 times. Vinny, your thoughts on this?

• 1:30:07Speaker 04

  I'm 1,000% against this, and I don't know how all Americans are always like, our privacy this, our privacy that. This should be at the forefront. And I don't know, Connor's gonna play this video, Pat. This is in Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Police boxed in the silver SUV, held two people at gunpoint after Flock camera flagged the vehicle that's connected to a Milwaukee homicide involving an armed suspect. By the way, there was no accident, no traffic, and stuff like that, but the traffic was ridiculous. The Flock system scanned the license plate, matched it to an alert in the database, and police responded, like potential dangerous, guns drawn, about to kill this person. The problem was, the alert was outdated. The police no longer were looking for the vehicle or the people inside of it,

• 1:30:49Speaker 04

  but someone failed to remove it from the system. Okay? Human error in this computer. And the camera did exactly what it was designed to do. It read the plate, alerted the police on that information. And by the way, this isn't the first. I saw a video, Pat. This lady's at her house.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  This video here up on the?

• 1:31:02Speaker 04

  This is the video. Play this video? Look, Pat.

• 1:31:05Speaker 13

  Guns drawn, pull over. A car, they say, was flagged by Flock cameras in connection to a homicide out of Milwaukee.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  Hands open.

• 1:31:14Speaker 13

  Turns out this was all some sort of mishap with the Flock camera systems. In fact, Norfolk police say they called Milwaukee police.

• 1:31:23Speaker 04

  The car, the cameras reading the license plate, reporting to the police station, but the police station didn't update it. So they're chasing this person, stops him in the traffic. There's another one where a woman is summoned. A detective shows up to her house and goes, this is you. You're stealing a package. And she's in there calm going, no, no, I'm not. He's like, you're lying. This is 100% you. Guess what? It's not her. And then you mentioned, there's up to 50 people are using it to spy on people. There's two other videos I sent Connor. That one guy's at a golf course. Look at this. What the hell is this doing at a golf course? You're golfing. What? Really? Really? You want to track people there? That is unbelievable. At a shooting range and everything. I'm just telling you guys right now. And it's being used to stalk people. Let cops do their job.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  Okay? We pay them to do their jobs. Give them the tools to go after criminals. I don't want cameras on every corner. And by the way, this is AI. It tracks movement. If there's a dent on your car, it could flag you, and it knows that.

• 1:32:17Speaker 02

  Let me tell you what my concern here is. It's less Flock, it's more Nexar. Because a study of 2023, academic study used 24.8 million Nexar dash cam images from rideshare drivers in New York City to identify where police vehicles were located. Researchers detected police vehicles in 233,596 images and use that information to analyze police deployment. Okay, so then here's my question for you, Vinny. That's maybe it's the devil's advocate. Are you okay with Waze telling you there's a cop ahead?

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  I don't use Waze anymore, but?

• 1:32:51Speaker 02

  But are you okay with the technology that tells you a quarter of a mile ahead of you, there's a cop?

• 1:32:56Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Do you support that?

• 1:32:57Speaker 04

  I use it.

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  You don't drive, bro. How would you use it?

• 1:33:00Speaker 04

  Well, I tell the Uber, hey, go this way or go that way, because it's gonna be 10 minutes.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  Are you supportive of knowing when you're driving fast, you're going 90 miles? You don't drive fast. But I'm saying, let's just say a person's driving fast 90 miles an hour, and it said, there's a cop ahead of you. Do you support that?

• 1:33:16Speaker 04

  I'm kind of indifferent because it doesn't really apply.

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  A lot of people would say they support it.

• 1:33:19Speaker 04

  It's legal. Well, a lot of times, it's like, there's a cop.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  A lot of people like it.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  A cop was there because they were doing something.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Do you know what I'm asking, Dope?

• 1:33:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  Okay. That's a form of it.

• 1:33:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  That's a form of surveillance.

• 1:33:30Speaker 04

  True, but that is Wazers. Shout out to the Wazers. They're reporting on what they're seeing. When it's a surveillance state, I'm 100% against it.

• 1:33:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the Wazers, a part of it is also technology that shows what they're doing. Because this Nexar company, you know, this isn't a new thing. Like Nexar's been doing this for a while. Nexar has deliberately targeted rideshare drivers for years. In 2021, it partnered with New York City's Black Car Fund to put cameras in thousands of vehicles driven by independent and rideshare drivers. 2021 is five years ago. So have you ever heard of Nexar? Tom, have you ever heard of Nexar?

• 1:34:15Speaker 09

  Nexar? No, but I know about the program, and I know why they were doing this. They were putting cameras inside black cars because drivers were getting jumped. They also put cameras back there because drivers were hearing things, and then the police wanted to know, hey, when the two guys got in the back of your car, one of them had the black backpack, bub, bub, bub, bub, bub. What did you know? I wasn't paying attention. I followed my Uber, you know, map that I was supposed to, and I dropped them off. Where'd you drop them off? What did you see? So police have been trying to get this. So I did not know about Nexar the company, but I know I'm very familiar with the program because police wanted the

• 1:35:00Speaker 09

  surveillance data, Pat, on people in the back of the car. And you get into an Uber, and there'd be a little sign, you are under surveillance.

• 1:35:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:35:09Speaker 09

  Because there are female Uber drivers that didn't want to get robbed or jumped as well.

• 1:35:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, Pat, ready for this then?

• 1:35:15Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  This is on, these are small cases. Imagine when it's at the hundreds of thousands, where detectives are showing up to your house going, this is you, you're under arrest, and then you have to wait to prove yourself. And then what's gonna be the next thing is gonna be pre-crime. Listen, from the steps that you're taking now, we assume that you're gonna probably go and kill this person because you're mad at her because she broke up with you.

• 1:35:33Speaker 09

  What is that, Minority Report all the way down?

• 1:35:35Speaker 04

  That's Minority Report. But I'm just saying, but Tommy, this is the, these are the small steps. And I get, Pat, you made a great point.

• 1:35:40Speaker 09

  What are you comfortable with? Flock made a deal with Ring to get door camera stuff, and then they also made a deal. They actually bought Aerodome, which was police drones. They bought the company. And they're trying to provide this. Amazon Ring cameras, because Amazon bought Ring. Pat, homeowners associations wanted people in their neighborhoods, everyone, please get a Ring camera, so that we can turn this over to the police. And those of you that have been having high-value Amazon packages stolen on your porch, what are those called? Porch pirates? Says, now we can turn this over to the police. So on that side, people go, hey, that's great. Hey, are you looking forward to AOC being president in

• 1:36:24Speaker 09

  2028 and using data like this?

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:36:27Speaker 09

  To, yeah.

• 1:36:28Speaker 04

  I'm not a fan of it.

• 1:36:28Speaker 09

  Well, there you go.

• 1:36:29Speaker 04

  Well, Americans will give up the freedoms, Tom, for the illusion of safety and security.

• 1:36:33Speaker 09

  Sell it on law enforcement benefit, and then bad people use it for other things. This is the Palantir argument.

• 1:36:39Speaker 07

  I mean, it's definitely giving me George Orwell 1984 vibes. I'll say that. But I'm also like, sort of, I understand that this stuff's happening. Everyone's got a cell phone. Everybody's a citizen journalist these days. We're gonna, nobody wants a surveillance state, but like, cameras are everywhere. Ring cameras are everywhere. Thank God we have cameras in certain places. Yes, we don't also want to be tracked. So I think there's like a pros and cons thing here. I don't think this is a black or white issue. What will probably happen is like, somehow you could register and like, opt out of being tracked or something like that, because we do believe in, you know, freedom of movement and not having, being tracked. But don't you think this kind of stuff is just inevitable? But it's weird, it's eerie.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  Look, Andy, Andrew Bustamante, shout out to him, by the way. Andrew Bustamante, when we were on, he says, brother, this is what I'm trying to tell you, that we are living in surveillance state, and there's nothing you can do about it. They're watching everything that we're doing. And if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, that he even recently just announced that he's leaving the state and going to a completely different place. Yeah.

• 1:37:45Speaker 07

  He's the least discreet spy ever. He's like, hey, guys, I got a podcast, and I'm gonna go into hiding now.

• 1:37:51Speaker 02

  Can you go to Amazon, by the way? Can you go to Amazon and type in Andy Bustamante? I think his book is coming out. You know, you gotta read these guys' books to see where they're at with the stuff that they know. Because he said, Pat, this is happening whether you and I, right there, if you just click his name, whether you like it or not, yeah, that's the one that's coming out right there. Outsmart Everyone, Spy Kills, Spy Skills to Gain an Unfair Advantage and Work in Life. And that book, if you want to put the link below to go buy the book that's coming out, Andrew Bustamante. But to me, to me, when you think about this, it's here, it's just how much they're gonna expand, and it will be a political thing that some guys will support it, but it is gonna be on the ballot. I think Flock will be a topic of discussion in 2028. When we did the governor debate,

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  With Paul Renner, Jay Collins, and James Fishback, right? You know what they all wanted to talk about? Flaw cameras. Every one of them wanted to talk about the flaw cameras. And it was a very, by the way, let me say something about the debate that everybody knows because people keep asking me. Byron Donalds, who is the leading candidate, he's ahead by a mile. I don't know where he's at, between 35 to 45%. He said he would do the debate if anybody hits double digit. On multiple reports, Jay Collins and Fishback, whether you like these guys or not, or support them or not. They both hit double digits. I've called Byron Collins and I've texted him. I've not heard back. So from my end, because my name is also on the line, I've reached out to try to bring Byron to do the debate. His team hasn't gotten back to me.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  He hasn't texted me back. He's always been very good at getting back to me. He hasn't done that thus far. And that is their way maybe of saying that they don't think they need to do the debate. I do applaud the Collins camp and the Fishback camp that got to double digits. I actually really, really, really like Paul Renner. I really like what he had to say. Nobody knew who he was and sometimes marketing matters. But Byron Donalds told me he would do it. He hasn't done it. You know, he's probably going to end up being a Florida governor here and it's not like I want to have a thing with all the Florida governors every single flipping time. This is probably a guy that I'm aligned with a lot of the things he believes in. But we tried to schedule the, what is that number?

• 1:39:54Speaker 09

  According to Kalshi, this is not the odd.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  Kalshi.

• 1:39:56Speaker 09

  He's up 98%.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  Not the point though.

• 1:39:58Speaker 09

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:39:59Speaker 02

  There is polls, there's your word.

• 1:40:01Speaker 09

  Totally get it.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  There is my word. You told me, I said that, I got your commitment. And I think a lot of this is behind this, even whatever, the Florida GOP guy. That even DeSantis is on my side. DeSantis says there needs to be a debate.

• 1:40:15Speaker 09

  What did DeSantis say?

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  DeSantis says you should debate. DeSantis, yeah, there needs to be a debate. And, and you know, you know, some of the people are like, well, he's just doing what, you know, Trump did. Trump didn't need to do debate. No, no, he did. And Trump debated multiple times and Trump was the president previously. And Donalds has not been the governor, but they're already going to the other side.

• 1:40:32Speaker 09

  Evan Power, the Florida GOP.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Evan Power, yeah. What's the last day, by the way? What's the last day if they do decide to have a debate or not? You know, when the primary ends for Florida, can you see what the date is? I think it's August 23rd or August.

• 1:40:42Speaker 09

  It's coming up soon.

• 1:40:43Speaker 02

  It's coming up here soon, so.

• 1:40:45Speaker 09

  But he's going to debate in the general, right?

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:40:48Speaker 09

  Against the Democratic.

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  August 18th. So that day cannot come fast enough for Evan and can't come fast enough for the other guys. So they, they avoided the debate.

• 1:40:57Speaker 09

  You saw that Fishback like kind of called in on Byron's show recently?

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said, this is Thomas and he calls in. Look, nobody is doing marketing better than Fishback. You got to give him credit. Again, whether you like it, this is not about policies. Nobody does better on marketing than Fishback. He's doing a great job on the marketing side and these guys don't want to sit down and talk to him. And it is what it is.

• 1:41:18Speaker 09

  He gets eyeballs.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  He knows how to get eyeballs.

• 1:41:19Speaker 09

  Not all eyeballs are good eyeballs, is what we've learned.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  Not the point. I'm about the debate. I'm about the debate, especially if you're not a governor yet. I'm about the debate and we're going to be around for a while. If you give me your word, keep your word. I don't like it when you give me your word and you don't keep your word. Anyways, let me pass on, move on to the next story. So the next story I want to get into, and by the way, he's probably going to end up being the governor of Florida. And when he does, we're going to support him. But if you deal with me long-term and you tell me you're going to do something, you don't do it. That's a problem with me. I don't like that. That's just not how you do business. But let's move forward. All right. Next story, AOC. So AOC. No one made a bigger claim that they want to run for office and overcome one major objection. You know what the objection is? Are we ready for a female president who may be pregnant?

• 1:42:04Speaker 02

  Well, she overcame that objection by doing one thing. You know what that was? She froze her eggs and she did it live. And here's her doing it. So go for it. If you want to play this clip for the audience to see.

• 1:42:15Speaker 14

  Don't be weird about this.

• 1:42:17Speaker 09

  It's too late.

• 1:42:18Speaker 14

  No, I know all of you will be. Okay.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  So what is she doing here? She is.

• 1:42:25Speaker 09

  She's playing for the camera.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  No, no, she puts the shot.

• 1:42:28Speaker 09

  No, I think this is. She already pregnant?

• 1:42:30Speaker 04

  I'm curious. I don't know what, I don't know the.

• 1:42:31Speaker 09

  She's got.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  I'll make the noise. Ow.

• 1:42:35Speaker 09

  Oh, that was you.

• 1:42:36Speaker 04

  I hate needles.

• 1:42:37Speaker 14

  That wasn't so bad.

• 1:42:38Speaker 04

  What is it?

• 1:42:39Speaker 09

  She's gained a lot of weight. She, um. I'm not even being rude. She's, looks like she's gained a lot of weight. Okay. You asked what this is?

• 1:42:45Speaker 04

  I want to hear Tom, what you're doing.

• 1:42:47Speaker 09

  I believe this is, this is hormone or medication treatment.

• 1:42:52Speaker 02

  This is not GLP. She's what he's.

• 1:42:53Speaker 09

  No, this is hormone or medication treatment and preparation for having your eggs harvested from your body and frozen.

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  So what do you think the message is? Why be so important to make a video about it? Are you trying to overcome an objection? Is it a marketing stunt? Is it a way of saying, hint, hint, I'm running in 2028? What do you think the purpose of that video is?

• 1:43:10Speaker 09

  I've frozen my eggs. I can be a full.

• 1:43:12Speaker 02

  You've frozen your eggs?

• 1:43:15Speaker 09

  I thought you were pausing. I'm sorry.

• 1:43:17Speaker 02

  But the question is, when somebody does this, when in the history have you seen an influencer or somebody running for office publicly show that they're freezing their eggs? What would be the outcome of doing that?

• 1:43:27Speaker 09

  I believe, this is my speculation, this is just Tom talking. I can be a very effective president. You don't have to worry about it. If I want to have children, I can have a surrogate do it. You know, they can take my, my husband, um, you know, and send them into the bathroom with a plastic cup. And then we can take my frozen eggs and we can go, um, uh, you know, fertilize them and then have a surrogate carry. I can be a fully functioning president and still build a family.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  So you also see it as, this is my way of saying, don't worry about me. I'm running for office and I'm not going to be pregnant.

• 1:44:02Speaker 09

  She's trying to take that objection away.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Okay. And then she was also asked a question about being a DSA or not. And here's her reaction. I think that's the video about her being part of the DSA. And she answered in an interesting way. Go for it.

• 1:44:16Speaker 15

  By the way, just a quick definitional thing. What in your mind is the difference between socialism and communism?

• 1:44:22Speaker 14

  I think to me, the fundamental differences, I mean, there's, there's many. One prevailing one is democracy. And I believe that democratic socialists are fundamentally pro-democracy. And we believe in the ballot box. We believe in, in respecting the, the outcomes of elections and governing democratically. And ensuring that, that the ideas that, and policies that are implemented are won through popular vote and popular opinion. And so I think that's why so much of what we focus on is also making sure that

• 1:45:02Speaker 14

  we are providing for the majority of Americans, guaranteeing healthcare, raising wages, strengthening the right to a union. And, and I think that that's at its core, what we're about.

• 1:45:15Speaker 15

  Are you still a member of Democratic Socialists of America?

• 1:45:18Speaker 14

  Of the New York City chapter.

• 1:45:19Speaker 15

  The New York City chapter, not the national.

• 1:45:21Speaker 14

  No.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  What's the difference? So you're still a democratic socialist?

• 1:45:25Speaker 09

  Nice little word salad right there.

• 1:45:27Speaker 04

  It's, Pat, we talked about this earlier. If you're in the mafia, it doesn't matter if you're in the New York chapter or the Cleveland chapter. You're in the mafia. Like shut, like it's just, and by the way, and, and credit where credit is due, you've told us about her, you warned us about her. And listen, the smile and the young and this movement, say socialist, say communist, say everything. Guys, these people, these people are for defunding the police. They are for abolishing ICE. They are for opening the border. They absolutely hate you if you're rich and you're making money. And from her estimate, Tom, the world is going to end in what, 12 years from 2000?

• 1:46:02Speaker 09

  Well.

• 1:46:03Speaker 04

  She, what?

• 1:46:03Speaker 09

  Everything you're saying is correct. Can you guys, I sent you the Kalshi. Were you excited?

• 1:46:08Speaker 04

  And my, I'm not, I don't, listen, besides the, Tom, she's, she's probably going to be the nomination for the Democratic Party, but I want people to know, this movement, that big tent that they keep talking about, I'm telling you guys right now. Tom, at the end of the day, the Hassans, the movement, the, all these guys, that whole Islam and whatever, she can say what she's doing, Tom, they're opening the doors for all these people. And I've said this before, the enemies we don't fight in our lifetime, Tom, our children are going to have to fight it. Your children, and, and guess what? I'm saying, when it comes to that, my attitude is simple. We have to fight it now, bring it on now. Because guess what? They're going to have to have their own fight, 1,000%. I'm not taking it away. But as long as, I don't want them to inherit the same fight that we are. We can't just sit back and be like, oh yeah, they're just.

• 1:46:51Speaker 09

  Nobody's sitting back. Nobody's, I am absolutely not sitting back.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  Saying you're sitting back. That's what Vinnie's trying to say.

• 1:46:56Speaker 09

  All right. Well then, I'm not sitting back. I'm saying is that.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  He's saying that though.

• 1:46:59Speaker 09

  The opponent in the general election is very critical. And I believe she is going to be that opponent.

• 1:47:05Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 1:47:05Speaker 09

  So we need to be ready to fight for values.

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  Crazy though. Don't forget that you guys call me crazy.

• 1:47:10Speaker 04

  I didn't. Adam didn't believe it. He still doesn't believe it.

• 1:47:13Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:47:14Speaker 09

  Pat and I talked over the weekend and Pat pointed out that I was.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  Pat, you're, no, specific words you guys said, you're crazy and you've lost your mind.

• 1:47:21Speaker 09

  Me? You're crazy, man. I don't, Pat.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 1:47:25Speaker 09

  Wait a minute, wait a minute.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  I like you, man, but you're crazy.

• 1:47:27Speaker 09

  You're crazy. We talked this weekend and Pat reminded me, he said, Tom, you, you thought it was speculative and you, you weren't there, but you at least gave some hearing to it. I never said, Pat, it's crazy.

• 1:47:39Speaker 02

  Stay, stay in position, Adam. Go ahead.

• 1:47:41Speaker 09

  So to your point, Vinnie, we have to get ready. $175 million in predictions on Kalshi. And now she's within a point and a half of Gavin Newsom.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  Go ahead, Adam. Adam, go ahead.

• 1:47:52Speaker 09

  I want Tom to finish this.

• 1:47:53Speaker 02

  No, go ahead.

• 1:47:54Speaker 07

  You good?

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  Come.

• 1:47:55Speaker 07

  Okay. I'm actually happy for you.

• 1:47:57Speaker 02

  I feel better now.

• 1:47:58Speaker 07

  You good?

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  I feel better now.

• 1:47:59Speaker 07

  Get it out, baby. Get it out. You good?

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 1:48:02Speaker 07

  All right, good. Uh, I'm actually happy for AOC. Uh, I'm happy for her first husband, uh, Riley Roberts, who could potentially be the first husband of the United States. I know that Kamala didn't pull that off. First partner. And I'm looking forward to her being pregnant. I, I just, I, I wonder if she wants to be referred to as a mother or if she wants to be known as a birthing person. I want to know what happens. Maybe if she has a kid that wants to transition.

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  She's formidable as it gets. Take as many shots as you want.

• 1:48:31Speaker 07

  I'm not taking shots. These are policies she supports, sir. So don't, don't tee on my parade right now. She, one of the things she said here was, women can do anything, which I agree with. The challenge is that they can't do everything. So is she gonna be a mom? Is she gonna be the president? Is this guy gonna be the first lady husband? We're gonna see what happens. But it's always interesting to see what happens when they dictate everything you should do. But when she becomes pregnant and a mother, I wonder if she's gonna want to trans the kids or not.

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  Yep. So we'll, and by the way, while you were staying on this topic, she was also asked about Hassan Piker, because a video went viral this weekend of an old clip of Hassan Piker. You showed it to me. I think this is the one, Vinnie, of him. Watch this clip of Hassan Piker. Go for it.

• 1:49:14Speaker 04

  We're gonna keep bringing in immigrants in this country on purpose, just so they can fuck your sister and then maybe even your daughter. We're gonna destroy the white race, bitch.

• 1:49:22Speaker 02

  I didn't know this wasn't, uh, I don't know. I thought this was, what do you call it? Posit?

• 1:49:26Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  I thought it was bleep. So anyways, this is him from, uh, in the past, when he made this video. And so AOC was asked in the same interview, what you think about Hassan Piker? And I don't know, did you see that interview where, uh, the same guy's asking AOC about Hassan Piker? He said, well, he's changed. He apologized.

• 1:49:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, he apologized for saying, America deserved 9/11. So we're supposed to go, okay, that's cool. As if, Pat, that feeling, the picture that he has of, of the World Trade burning and Americans dying and jumping to their death. He, just because he said he's sorry, move on.

• 1:49:57Speaker 02

  Is this it?

• 1:49:57Speaker 04

  Guys, move on. Yeah.

• 1:49:58Speaker 02

  Go for it.

• 1:49:59Speaker 15

  Another person who's been made an issue is Hassan Piker, who obviously endorsed, uh, Abdul Sayed in Michigan. You've been on his livestream, you know, at least a few times. Uh, he's somebody who said, uh, you know, that America deserved 9/11. Now he backed off from that.

• 1:50:17Speaker 14

  Yes, yes, he's apologized.

• 1:50:18Speaker 15

  But he said a lot of, uh, he said a lot of controversial things. Is he, is he somebody that should have a, a role in the progressive movement going forward?

• 1:50:26Speaker 14

  You know, I think, when we look at our elections that have happened, we have lost young people. Much hate was made about the fact that we lost young men in the last election. And many of the same consultants that are wringing their hands today were the same ones talking about how we need to go on Joe Rogan and we need to be not, not so, you know, willing to engage in cancel culture. And I think that the flip-flopping on this is a tactical debate that they may be having.

• 1:51:07Speaker 02

  But she does say that he changed. She's not the same and all that.

• 1:51:10Speaker 04

  But let me ask you, and be honest, as a man. Okay, somebody that said, America deserves 9/11. Somebody that said that, kill capitalists and let the streets soak in their blood and that, uh, refugees who escaped communist regime can suck his, you know what? You, you want me as a New Yorker and her as a New Yorker? Shame on you to just go, well, he said he's sorry. Give me a freaking break, Pat. This is why Donna Brazile and all these people are like, we have a big tent. This is a party of a big tent because they know that their party's been hijacked because of their laziness and their TDS for 10 years, Pat. And they're done. They're, it's over for them. It's over. She's gonna be the face. The Hassan Pikers are gonna be the grassroots people like the Charlie Kirk's. And guess what? Just because they said they're sorry, they're all gonna go, oh, it's okay. It's okay. It's not okay. Okay?

• 1:51:54Speaker 04

  He's not got that, that guy hates America. He says he's unpatriotic. He loves, dresses up like Mao Zedong, like the loser.

• 1:52:02Speaker 02

  The best thing you want is for her to accept Hassan Piker.

• 1:52:05Speaker 04

  She's good.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  The best thing that can happen for you is the left receives him.

• 1:52:08Speaker 04

  I hope so.

• 1:52:09Speaker 02

  The best thing that can happen.

• 1:52:10Speaker 04

  They have.

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  I hope they all receive him. I, I hope they all support. I hope he campaigns with them.

• 1:52:15Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  I hope he goes and campaigns with them. Because you, you, you have to realize that messaging of what he says, one, is a terrible example to America and most people are not there with him. Most people are common sense. The youth is like, look, just allow me to have a life, buy a house, have kids and afford to be able to build my own family. Most people don't have that kind of hate in their bellies. They don't, the guy, the way he speaks, he speaks purely the hate language. It's purely the hate language and it's very attractive to who? There's a video that's gone viral that Anthony asked me a question of this. I never know what Anthony's gonna ask me when I walk in. He says, hey, can you react to this video? What's the video? This video is a video of a guy that used to be in, uh, PHP.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  And he says that if you, if a person walked out of your meeting, that you would lock the door. I said, yeah, I would. So, so tell me why you would do that? Cause I don't want you to distract me. By the way, ask people that were at the Vault Conference early on. See what they would tell you. You've been to the Vault Conference early on or SLAS early on?

• 1:53:15Speaker 04

  I had a ladder inspection.

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  If you walked out, I'm like, dude, wait till the next break to walk back in. Because everybody would do that as distraction. So even one guy in the middle of the meeting, what do I do? I said, hey, guy, listen. I go up to him, man, this is a waste of my time. And his business partner's like, dude, we're here. We need to take our business to the next level. This is a waste of my time. You know how many deals I could be doing right now if I was back at home? I said, so you realize if you talk like that, if you're not here, does a business run without you? And I said, you don't own your business. Your business owns you. And he kept bitching to his partner. Finally, I said, look, I'm willing to give you twice the amount of money you invested to buy a ticket as long as you leave within the next minute. It was like $6,000.

• 1:53:51Speaker 07

  He took it.

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  I said, you have 60 seconds. He took it. I said, go to outside, tell them I'm gonna text my guys right now. They're gonna pay twice the money.

• 1:53:57Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  He bought a $3,000 ticket. I gave him $6,000 just to leave. Those are the standards. But guess what's a popular video to make? Well, you know, these guys lock the doors and all. Yeah, we do. These, these are standards that we have, right? So Hassan's message is gonna resonate with the people that also hate and are rage and anger. It does. How big is that population? Is it people that want to burn down America and rebuild it? Hell, no. It's a smaller percentage. Let them have it. Let them have that community and see if that message is gonna resonate with independent voters that you gotta win over. It's not going to, independent voters are not gonna go that route.

• 1:54:33Speaker 07

  In the general election. Here, here's how I look at it. Can I go?

• 1:54:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:39Speaker 07

  Vinnie touched on this. The left.

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  But, but, but I want to say a part that Trump is doing that it's a mistake. I, I, I want to get into this. I want to do something that the president's doing that, that I think it's a mistake. And I know I'm gonna get, you know, people, it's like, you know, what's a bad thing about being in the position that I am and, and we are? How do I describe this? We're, we don't have a place. I don't know how this, uh, makes sense. Like, the moment, you know, the, the, is Jews are like, oh, you know, BBC Podcast, and it's like, I don't like what he said over there. So, oh, Trump does, why would he criticize the president? Oh, all he does is defend the president. I was like, every week, we're like, losing people. But let me tell you, Bill Maher said something here that I agree with, that I think the president's making a mistake with. I don't think we should go into this area. If you got the Bill Maher clip.

• 1:55:28Speaker 02

  This is socialism. Bill Maher accuses Trump of going further left than them. I said this a few months ago when they invested into Intel and said a percentage of it is the US government. I don't know what the number was, $50 billion or $15 billion. Tom and I both agreed on this. Do you have the video clip on this? There's a video clip of Bill Maher saying this. I don't think we need to go into investing into companies. I don't think, that's socialism. You're making it easy. So even though a person who's a great salesperson that can overcome any objection like the president can, he'll be able to convince his party and say, yeah, we're making, look how much money we made going into Intel. Look how much money we made investing into Nvidia. Look how much money we made. We're making money for you. We're making money for you. I get it.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  But that's the socialist argument, nationalizing. Then they're gonna be like, well, here, let me play the clip. This is what your president said. What's the difference? And then you're gonna go this much, but you know how far they're gonna go? They're gonna go this much. Then what do you do?

• 1:56:28Speaker 07

  Correct.

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  So I'm not worried about a capitalist choosing to invest into companies because you're a capitalist. I'm concerned when a socialist gets in charge, which they eventually will. And then what are they gonna be doing? Hey, let's extend this. What do they say? Give them a little bit? Go on. The other day I watched, preparing for the Ben, uh, conversation. I watched his interview with, uh, uh, what do you call it? With, uh, Piers Morgan, 30 days after Sandy Hook happened. And they're there and, and Ben was calling up Piers Morgan. I don't know if you guys remember, remember that interview? He says, do you realize of all these mass shootings, how many of them use AK-47? He, and, and Ben says, do you realize of all the people that were shot, the percentage that were by this, it's guns? Why don't you go ban guns? Go ahead, Piers, why don't you ban guns if you really want to protect everybody? And Piers was stuck.

• 1:57:13Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  He was cornered. And what is he trying to say? You give them a little bit, they're gonna take a lot of it.

• 1:57:18Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  If we're giving them an ounce of them being able to play the socialism card, they're gonna go full on, you know what? You, you can't be making policies just based on you being president for the rest of your life. That's not how America runs. The way America goes is very different. It's very, very different. You know, is this the one? This is the one. Play this clip. Go for it.

• 1:57:43Speaker 16

  So interesting, the wrinkle in this story. Because now that they're communist, there's an opening for socialism. And you know who's filling it? Donald Trump. Donald Trump. How else do you explain a 9.9 stake in Intel?

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  Mistake.

• 1:57:56Speaker 16

  By the government?

• 1:57:57Speaker 02

  Don't do it.

• 1:57:57Speaker 16

  Is that not socialism? Nvidia, we took 15% cut.

• 1:58:01Speaker 02

  Mistake.

• 1:58:01Speaker 16

  When we let them sell chips to China. Nippon Steel, that's merged with US Steel. We have a golden share. We basically run their boardroom now. And you know this is socialism, I think, because Bernie Sanders agrees with it all.

• 1:58:16Speaker 17

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:58:16Speaker 16

  He wants to do it with the AI companies.

• 1:58:18Speaker 17

  The free market is dead. They have decided that the government wants to control 30 different companies. And Intel alone, which was a loser because of Nvidia, they have, they basically own 9.9% of that company. And that's a lot. And President Trump, after they invested in this company, he then went on to buy stocks in Nvidia, which shot up 200%. Okay? So he actually made a ton of money on this. His government created a floor on a stock.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  You can pause it. By the way, as a guy that voted for Trump three times, this is a mistake. We can't do this. Period. As a guy that voted for Trump three times, we cannot do this. Because, you know, it's crazy, like, the company I just left. My job, you know, when we went to this last conference, I told my guys, don't make it about me. Don't make your whole video as a founder, Patrick Bedavid, that I don't want any attention. I want to come give a simple message and leave. Tom, how many times did I say that to everybody?

• 1:59:18Speaker 07

  You said it weekly for the past year. Literally, you talked about it.

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  I don't want anything. I want all the attention to go to Bryan Adams. I want all the attention to go to Integrit. I want all the attention to go to the leader's heart. All our guys are growing right now. I don't want any attention. Why? Because I want the business to be healthy after we leave. Right? Okay. You can't just think of how you can control these contracts with Nvidia and Intel while you're president. You have to think about how it's going to happen when the next political party comes in charge. And what do they do with that? Do they abuse it? I don't think it's a good move. I think we're making a mistake and we're just feeding into the socialism argument. Now, by the way, if I'm AOC, if I'm any of these guys, you know what I'm going to use? Guess what I'm going to use?

• 1:59:58Speaker 07

  Not this.

• 1:59:59Speaker 02

  I'm going to use that argument.

• 2:00:00Speaker 07

  Of course.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  You can't give it to them. You look like you want to say something.

• 2:00:03Speaker 07

  Well, I wanted to weigh in on this. I agree mostly with you, because I agree mostly with the position of Donald Trump. But here's what I've learned in politics. I'm never going to agree with anybody 100%. So I'm solving for 80. You know, the whole 80/20 rule, Pareto principle? The Reagan quote, someone that you agree with 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% enemy? Yeah, there's things I disagree with Trump. Look, let's use Charlie Kirk and Hassan Piker as an example. I think Hassan Piker is the Charlie Kirk of the DSA left. And you could, you could put up Charlie's words, you may agree with them, you may disagree with them. I agreed with most of what Charlie said, but not everything.

• 2:00:44Speaker 07

  But when it comes to Hassan Piker, I mean, how many people agree with his greatest hits? "I do not support the United States of America," says Hassan Piker. "America deserved 9/11. My favorite flag is Hezbollah. I don't have any patriotism in my heart." If that's what you agree with, vote for that. I just think the average American is going to look at this and be like, this is absurd. I don't agree with everything Trump's doing, but I agree with nothing that Hassan Piker's doing. So as far as the economic thing, where I actually need some clarity is, is there a difference between a stake that they said, or a partnering, or an investing, versus what the socialist communists want to do, which is seizing the means of production?

• 2:01:29Speaker 02

  No, no, you can't.

• 2:01:29Speaker 07

  There's a difference between 100% and 5%. And that's kind of what I'm getting at with the Charlie Kirk, Piker thing. I agree with Charlie Kirk 80, 90% of the time. I agree with Hassan Piker 0%.

• 2:01:41Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. That's not how life works, though.

• 2:01:42Speaker 07

  I'm just saying it's a binary option.

• 2:01:44Speaker 02

  That's not how life works. We can sit there and say, this is not good. And a lot of times when you think, you know, it's like, well, I can do anything and get away with it. You can't. Nobody can. Maybe for three months, maybe for six months, maybe for 12 months, where you are so untouchable and you're insane status. Look what Iran's done. What is Iran war doing so far politically? On every side of the Republican political party? Are they 100% supportive of it? No. What's happening? So this, nobody is a prophet forever and just loved and admired. Nobody is. Nobody is. I went to my insurance conference, my own guys, they didn't come and say hello to me. These are guys that helped become Decamillionaires. They didn't want to come and greet me. One of them, two of them. How is that even possible? It happens. They forget. From stage, I said something, one guy's like, I don't remember.

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  Of course you don't remember. You forgot a lot of things. That when you were only broke, going bankrupt, going through all the issues, one guy had your back the entire time. People forget. That's normal when it happens. You hope it doesn't happen.

• 2:02:41Speaker 07

  But it happens.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  But it happens. But you have to make the right decisions, long term, not just for the old people that were there. You have to make it good for the new people that their lives are depending on you 10, 20, 30 years from now, that are the younger people coming up that want to have wife, kids, buy a house, buy a car, have their dreams become a reality. The moment you forget about those guys, forget about it.

• 2:03:02Speaker 07

  I see what you're saying.

• 2:03:02Speaker 02

  Forget about it.

• 2:03:03Speaker 07

  HP analogy.

• 2:03:04Speaker 02

  Forget about it. You can't, you can't, you got to think about, as much as you love them, you got to forget about it and move on. Let me see if I have another story to get into or no? I think, what time is it? 10. Let me do this last story. I don't even know if we have time for that.

• 2:03:17Speaker 07

  Anything fun?

• 2:03:18Speaker 02

  I don't even know if we have time for that. Let me see if I have.

• 2:03:21Speaker 07

  Guys, we got to get ready. We got to go to a WNBA game later. We got to hurry up.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  Give me a second to see if I can hit any of these stories. Is there anything that you guys are thinking that I missed? I think I got all of them.

• 2:03:32Speaker 07

  I think we're good.

• 2:03:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:03:33Speaker 07

  I think we drove it.

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  We'll wrap it up. Great podcast, gang. For those of you guys that are in here with us, again, for the Vault Conference, if tickets are going left and right right now, especially this last week, especially the last two days, I can't tell you why, if you haven't, we'd love to see you guys, or especially those of you guys, conservative values, you believe the future looks bright, you run a business, you want to find a way to take your life to the next level, and be around a community of others where you build relationships together, you don't want to miss the Vault Conference. Vault 2026. Go to vault2026.com. Again, Vault 2026. And last but not least, Tom has a special message and a gift to give to somebody he loves the most, because something very special happened today. Tom, tell us.

• 2:04:10Speaker 07

  I have the 25th annual one-year contract with my wife renewed. It's my 24th year wedding anniversary. The Biz Doc babe, Kim, I love you so much. Thank you for watching. She watches all these. She listens to it.

• 2:04:24Speaker 02

  She's the best.

• 2:04:25Speaker 07

  She's in, getting her classroom ready right now, and she'll be listening to this. So I love you, honey. Thank you so much. 24 years, and I have a one-year contract for this year for the 25th.

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  Congratulations.

• 2:04:34Speaker 07

  And I so appreciate it.

• 2:04:35Speaker 02

  Congratulations to both of you. If you're a husband and wife married, and you want to know how they're doing it, both of them are on Manect, give them a congratulations and ask them a question on marital advice. Tom Ellsworth is on Manect, and his wife is also on Manect, who's been a teacher for 30 years, can give great counsel. Send them a congratulations there. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye-bye, bye-bye.