ICE Protests Spread, Iran Tensions Escalate & Musk Apologizes w/ Michael Knowles | PBD Podcast | Ep. 599

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana and Adam Sosnick are joined by the Daily Wire's Michael Knowles as they cover Elon Musk’s shocking apology to Donald Trump, the explosive ICE riots sparking chaos across Los Angeles, and the growing backlash to Trump’s controversial call with world leaders. ----- 🇺🇸 VT FLAG DAY COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3ZrlcDN 📱 MINNECT 2025 CONTEST - REGISTER TODAY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL⁠ https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh⁠ https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

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• 1:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so episode 599, we have a special guest here with us, probably one of the most liked guys in the content creation. No, literally, like, I don't know anybody that doesn't like this guy. And I think everybody would agree with this. He's a cool cat, he likes cigars. He went to a, one of these, like, you know, he's one of these Ivy League school, Yale, Italians, cigars.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  There goes my likability. It's all gone now.

• 1:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Likability.

• 1:52Speaker 03

  You're still cool with me, by the way.

• 1:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It's great to have Michael Knowles here with us on the podcast, my man. It's great to have you.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

• 2:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, and are you a Yankees fan? Was that like a fan or was it just you went to a game?

• 2:06Speaker 03

  No, no, I'm a Yankee fan. You would not be surprised to find out, I'm not the biggest sports guy in the entire world. So I have channeled all of my enthusiasm that I could possibly have for sports into not only one sport, but one team for my entire life.

• 2:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I like that, you're focused.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  I'm very focused as a Yankees and I took my... My four-year-old kid to his first major league game the other night. It was on Saturday night where we lost to the Red Sox, but it was a very good game anyway. And but I thought I had this thought, I was like, can my kid make it? My kid goes to bed at 7:30 PM. Can my kid make it until midnight or whatever it's gonna be? It was kind of a long game. And sure enough, I spaced out the like hot dog, french fries, ice cream, whatever. But and it was because it was exciting. We were up there, we were standing on the four train platform at like 11:30 or something. It was great, man, it was awesome.

• 2:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it. The other day I took Brooklyn to the first movie and I said, Brooklyn, because Brooklyn's bribe is ice cream.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, if you can sit still and watch this two-hour movie, you'll get ice cream. She sat still, never went to the bathroom, locked in. She was great, watched the movie, she came and jumped on top of me, was focused, very impressed. Anyways, good to have you on. Guys, a lot of stories to go through, so let me kind of walk you through some of the stories that's going on. Obviously, LA, it's getting nastier and nastier and nastier. And Gavin Newsom is using this opportunity to start his 2028 presidential campaign. You know, he will never let a crisis go to waste and he's all over the place blaming everything on Trump, showing how he's the greatest deflector of all time, showing the fact that he knows how to spin like no other. Like this guy may be the greatest spinner of all time. If you ever saw Tim Hardaway do his move or any of these guys.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  The killer crossover.

• 3:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Zero, like Newsom's crossover is the best in the game of politics. Spin zone, unbelievable, very, he ought to be very proud of himself on the way he does certain things. But it's been called, he's been called that left and right by a lot of different people. DeSantis got involved in the state of Florida. He responded back and said something where, hey, if somebody's coming out and protesting and riots and you're in your car, you have my permission to, you know, run through it. I was like, what? The guy went from zero to gangster in a second, right? If they decide to do this in Florida, so folks, I'm not telling you, I'm saying this. We'll play the clip so he can tell you himself, but California is a mess. We got a lot of stuff to talk about there. Pelosi reacted to things, you know, stories of Walmart's Christie Walton,

• 4:19Patrick Bet-David?

  who's worth 19 to 20 billion dollars as funding a lot of these protests, that they want to come to 1,500 cities on June 14th. That happens to be Trump's birthday, 250 years of US Army's birthday, Flag Day. All of that at the same time, they want to make sure they humiliate the president. Another opportunity, all they're trying to do, in my opinion, is they're looking for their next George Floyd to cause mayhem in America right before the midterms. And that playbook's worked for them many years, they're just gonna keep following up. Fetterman had certain things to say on LA says Dems losing high ground with response. And then a blue city mayor vows no tolerance for anti ICE violence as LA riots erupt.

• 5:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Unacceptable, you gotta hear this guy, he should be running for governor in California. I think he is, he's a stud of a guy. Kristi Noem, LA is a city of criminals. Interesting, I don't know if the entire city is filled with criminals, but that's what she's saying. LA is a city of criminals, we'll show that clip. Donald Trump says US-China deal done as two sides restore trade war truce. What that means, we don't know, but we'll definitely get into it. Arthur Lafer, okay, the Lafer curve, comes out and explains how Trump can create the best economy US has ever had and beat Reagan's record. Now you gotta realize, Lafer worked on the, as an economist advisor, I believe, for Ronald Reagan, so for him to say that, he's got the street cred to be able to say something like that, we'll show that.

• 5:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon Musk hints that all the explosive fallout with Trump last week may be cool enough after president wishes him well, and he says, hey, he deleted the tweet, maybe I shouldn't have put that up. It's a lot of back and forth, it looks like, you know, they're going back of being together again, we'll definitely cover that. Newsom slams Trump as stone cold liar over the phone call, did he make the calls, did he not make the calls? President Trump posts the pictures of him making a call at 1:20 in the morning, a 16-minute call, people are coming back saying, I don't know, well, that was June 7th, it wasn't June 10th. Anyways, it's a mess. Luigi Mangione, the killer of the CEO of United Healthcare, comes out on his birthday, and he writes out 27 things he's grateful for. I want to share with you what number 7 is, it's gonna be a little bit weird when you read what number 7 is.

• 6:28Patrick Bet-David?

  When this was texted to me, I'm like, are you kidding me?

• 6:30Adam Sosnick?

  You're gonna bring that up?

• 6:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I have to show it, I don't know what we're gonna do, we'll talk about it when it comes up, yeah, we have to, it is what it is. Besant emerging as contender to succeed Feds Powell. And Besant was asked, I believe by a congressman, if I'm not mistaken, saying, so what happened there with the exchange with you and, you know, you and Musk, the punch and all that stuff that the rumors are being talked about? And he, he says, you must be reading a lot of Breitbart, is what he said, he kinda called him out, Besant did. And, and, you know, we got the guy that's gonna give us all the inside, Michael knows us here, you know, he knows us, we have to find out what's going on here with this. And neo cons reportedly trying to kill the Trump-Iran deal behind closed doors. Russia could strike NATO by 2030, Alliance called to boost airstrike.

• 7:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Mark Carney says Canada to hit NATO spending target this year. And NATO, watch this one here, folks. Tell me if this is gonna piss off somebody that happens to live in this country that has a lot of land. You know, tell me, I don't know if you know that guy or not. NATO seeks to include Ukraine funds in new spending target. What the hell does that mean? Let me read it to you one more time. NATO seeks to include Ukraine funds in new spending target. Are you including them? I thought you said you would never include them. I thought I was part of a deal that you wouldn't do it because one guy didn't want to be a part of it. Maybe you're saying you don't listen to him. I don't know what's going on there. You asked to pull some personnel from Middle East amid rising tensions with Iran.

• 7:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Some are saying shit's about to go down like real quick. And everybody's planning on reacting to it. And we got a bunch of other stories that we'll get into if we got the time. Sean Hannity, Warhawks led by podcaster Mark Levin are pushing Trump to bomb Iran using misinformation to make the case report. It's from The Independent. And then Iran claims without evidence that it took Israeli nuclear files. They're saying they took Israeli nuclear files. So, okay. And then we got some other things we'll talk about at the end if we got some time for NBA stats on the finals. Viewership, I can't believe Indiana won last game 2-1. It is what it is, shocking. But anyways, this weekend is Flag Day, okay? And we're celebrating a lot of different things. And in, in, in the whole respect of Flag Day,

• 8:44Patrick Bet-David?

  we have some new merch. An item that, I don't know what happened. We launch it at midnight and we send an email to the people that are insiders that buy merch and it's gone already. But we have some of it still that's left, numbered stuff that we have. Here's a clip about what's about to come out and the new hat that's out. I have a feeling some of you guys are gonna lose your mind and you're gonna want it ASAP. So go ahead and play this clip, Rob.

• 9:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Show me the hat. Damn. Oh wow. Limited edition numbered hat and these are the ones that comes in this box. It's numbered out of 250 and when you get it, there's a card inside with the hat here. I'm gonna unwrap it. Chris said, "Don't do it." Chris has got so many rules. Too late. Sorry, Chris. He's so creative. Creatives have a lot of rules. Yeah, too late. And if you see this hat here, look at this. That's right. It's gonna happen eventually. Future Looks Bright on the side with the value tainment on the back and Future Looks Bright here. This is not numbered. Benny, it's like little Air Force guys. I love it. Everything there is gonna be numbered. That'll come out to you and there's a lot of... Rob, if you can, go on other items. This is limited out of 250. So this'll go out in the next hour, but you got other gear that you have with the American flag on it.

• 10:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Represent it, sport it, go to work. Your flip flops, the hats, shirts, whatever may be. If you're proud to be an American and you love value tainment and Future Looks Bright, go represent, put the gear on and go to vtmerch.com and get your latest numbered Future Looks Bright hat. Rob, if you can, put the link below. Go to vtmerch.com. By the way, if you go on eBay right now, it's crazy what's going on with these numbered hats that people buy and post them on here. That one right there to the left is one out of 250, guys selling it for 10 grand. The other one is 43 out of $53,000. These are limited edition hats that are on eBay. For some of you that don't buy it here, we will not reproduce this. This simply ends up being on eBay. So if you wanna add it to your collection, go to vtmerch.com, place your order.

• 10:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so let's get right into it. I think the first thing I wanna start off with, and Michael, I'm gonna come to you, is California. Rob, we have a lot of clips, okay? We have a lot of clips of what's going on in California. It isn't slowing down. The game's not slowing down. Newsom did eventually come out and apologize. If you wanna go on Twitter, Rob, and just go to the apology video that he came out eventually. This is, I think, four, five days later. On day one, I asked him, I said, "Are you gonna come out and do this?" This is, I think, yesterday that he came out and said this. Now, watch this. We don't have to play the whole thing, just the first 30 seconds. Watch how he's finally... Finally, wanting to have his people be responsible, go ahead, Rob.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  If you incite violence, I want to be clear about this. If you incite violence or destroy our communities, you're going to be held to account.

• 11:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 11:48Speaker 05

  That kind of criminal behavior will not be tolerated, full stop. Already more than 220 people have been arrested. And we're reviewing tapes to build additional cases. And people will be prosecuted.

• 12:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there. You can pause it right there.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  Is he reading a script?

• 12:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course he is. You can pause it right. Go back a little bit, Rob. Go back a little bit where, you know, I'm saying it's four days too late. This shows you haven't, uh, uh, moved to the center. You want these chaos. You need your next George Floyd and continue to deflect, spin, and blame. Michael, before we go into all these other clips, there's so many of them. There's a guy that's tatted up and, you know, uh, uh, you know, looks like a tough guy explaining, I don't know if you saw this clip or not, that WorldStar posted. It's phenomenal. What's amazing about this clip when you post it, there's a sound that happens the first three seconds, that I'm wondering what he was doing before he played this clip. Go ahead and play this clip, Rob. I don't know if you guys caught the sound. Go ahead.

• 12:38Speaker 06

  Get this straight.

• 12:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What was that? Go back again, Rob. Double respect. Listen. Double respect. Listen, listen to this.

• 12:51Speaker 06

  Let me get this straight.

• 12:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So, by the way, no, no, pause it before, guys. Sorry.

• 12:58Speaker 05

  She's doing squats.

• 12:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back, Rob. You know what it's like. It's like, but you have to, can you imagine? Right after he's done with his girl, the only thing he was thinking about is the riots. Imagine how focused he is.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  You know the meme of like, "I hope he's not dreaming about cheating on me." And the guy's just like, "Why is Gavin Newsom letting a terrorist?"

• 13:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't even think he was done with his lady friend. Do it one more time here. Do it one more time here. Go for it, Rob.

• 13:21Speaker 06

  Get this straight. Just so I could clarify.

• 13:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me just, uh, okay.

• 13:26Speaker 06

  You don't want to go back to Mexico. You're protesting to stay away from Mexico. But you're waving the Mexican flag and you're waving it with pride. You're waving it in the United States. The country you're trying to stay in. The country you don't want to leave. But yet you're waving the Mexican flag with pride.

• 13:50Speaker 06

  Okay. That seems normal to you, that seems logical, that's not stupid. At all. None of that stupid.

• 14:01Speaker 06

  Alright, you guys, you guys are embarrassment to the Mexican culture and to the United States culture. You guys are embarrassment to everybody around you. And you should be ashamed of yourself. Do better.

• 14:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, Michael, your thoughts on everything that's going on in California?

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Beautiful. I've, I think it's on a lot of people's minds, obviously 200,000 likes for that. And Newsom doesn't know which way to flop. Cause he comes out and he, and he says, Trump bringing in the National Guard is a threat to democracy and this is the authoritarian takeover. So, he, Newsom puts himself firmly on the side of the Mexican flags and the Kefiyas and the ACAB and all the rest of it. Then, he realized that's not playing very well. And so he's got to flip and say, no, no, we're arresting all of these people. Oh, these are people you were just standing with. This is after the Democrats, I don't know if you saw Brian Stelter's tweet, he said that the, the riots and the arson and the Molotov cocktails were a cry of hope. That's the new fiery but mostly peaceful protest. It's a cry of hope, a song of joy to burn a city down.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  And, and so, there's actually a reason that, that Newsom has done this. You know, it's easy to say, oh, what a dummy, he doesn't know what he's doing. It's not fair. Newsom had a strategy. Newsom was a huge lib and he let his state, his, at least one of his cities burn down. Before all the riots broke out. And he realized, okay, this is bad, I want to be president in 2028, so I'm going to moderate. Trump won the popular vote, so what am I going to do? The best way that I can position myself to win over all those disaffected Dems who went Republican for Trump, who maybe they can come back, I'm going to pretend to be friends with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon and I'm going to start a podcast and look like Mr. Moderate. Okay. So, he starts to do that and then the riots force his hand. Because when push comes to shove, he can either side with Trump and the Marines and

• 15:41Speaker 03

  the National Guard and normal people and that Mexican guy with that shirt on, all of whom understand that the rioters are bad, or he can stand with his base. And so, he has to stand with his base. So, great, now he's getting all the play over Kamala and Buttigieg and Whitmer and all these other people, that's fine, but he's completely unelectable. Because what the deportation protest comes down to is...

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Mass deportations are a mainstream majority political issue now. Not just the bad guys with the MS-13 tattoos. Mass deportations for many of the 11 to 16 million illegal aliens. So then, the last thing the Democrats could do to try to salvage a political win here is they could send their protesters out to wave the American flag and not the Mexican flag. And they can't even do that. And they can't do that, not just because they're dummies or something. They can't do that because it is part of their ideology and part of their base that they hate America. That America's evil, we need to abolish the colonial, white, imperial, original sin, blah, blah, blah, whatever. So, they can't do it. They could wave the rainbow flag, they can wave the terrorist rainbow flag, the one with the triangle and the brown and the black and whatever.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  They can wave the Mexican flag, but they can't wave the American flag. And so you look at a guy like Newsom, who is a talented politician. And you realize, the guy can't move. Any way he moves, he loses.

• 16:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But here's a question, though. So to me, what is kind of weird on the playbook, the pages taken out of the playbook is, his current play is the play to stay governor of California. It's not the play to become the president. Who is he winning over?

• 17:14Speaker 03

  The moderate play or the radical play?

• 17:17Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a radical play.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. They're kind of getting mixed up.

• 17:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But to get the moderate play, the moderate play is for being a president. The radical play is to stay governor of California. It doesn't make any sense.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  But how do you win the primary?

• 17:30Patrick Bet-David?

  How does he win the primary? So, if you saw, you know, the numbers that came up, I don't know if you saw the surgeons or what happened. He officially in the last four days, believe it or not, in the craziest way, went from number five or four on the list to the number one candidate for 2020. Did you see the surgeons? It went like boom, like this. Did you see this?

• 17:49Speaker 03

  I didn't.

• 17:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Numbers went like this. Newsom went to a number one spot because Democrats like the fact that he's fighting and standing up to Trump. So on the Democratic side, they're like, "Look at this guy. He's not afraid of Trump. He's not afraid of the bully. He's standing up." So Democrats, believe it or not, like it. Does that mean he can win? Here's CNN. I want to show this clip here, Rob, if you can, from CNN on what happened with immigration. Now, he looks like he needs to go to the bathroom.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  He's going to the bathroom, though. He can't take this crap.

• 18:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, go ahead and play this clip.

• 18:14Speaker 03

  He has a stroke every week when he does this.

• 18:17Patrick Bet-David?

  2020 to 2025.

• 18:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Trust more on immigration, the left or right. Go for it.

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• 19:25Speaker 07

  Immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign born voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue in 2024 and 2025 versus where they were in 2020. Closest to or trust more in immigration. You go back to 2020. Democrats, get this, held a 32 point lead on this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump forward to 2024, 2025. Look at that shift, a 40 point shift to the right among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats. Only in four or five years. More so than any other group that I could find. The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants who are registered to vote in this country. That is wild.

• 20:09Speaker 08

  How about how they feel about, kind of traditionally, historically about Donald Trump?

• 20:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, so you know, you see this shift and you go, what is going on underneath the hood? Well, take a look, Donald Trump, you remember when he first ran back in 2016? Immigrant voters are one of his weakest blocks, but look at this, Trump's vote share in presidential election among again immigrant citizens, those who are registered to vote, look at this. 2016, he got 36% of the vote. You go to 2020, 39% of the vote. Look at this, in 2024, all the way up to 47% of the vote. Some polls I looked at had him barely losing that vote, some polls I looked at had him barely winning that vote. Again, there is no block of voters that shifted more to the right from 2020 to 2024 than immigrant voters, and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys, actually won that vote. On average, it's about equal. So there may be all this stuff right about Donald.

• 20:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, why do you think that is? Why do you think, you know, Newsom is doing what he's doing? He's taking a position of staying as a governor, but the Democrats are excited about him fighting against Trump, yet at the same time, immigrants are siding with Trump on what he's doing on immigration. The Democratic side is not looking good, the votes are going more on the Republican side on how they trust who to handle this. Why do you think this is taking place?

• 21:21Tom Ellsworth?

  I have three quick thoughts on this, and number one, I got two more minutes just last night from people that said, "Thank you for speaking up for the Latino community. I am in Ventura, California, and the illegal aliens come into our communities because that's the place where they try to find housing and to hide. They're not going to hide in Newport Beach." You see? So they're coming into our communities, we don't want the criminal element, we don't want the ones that are bad, we are sympathetic for the people that are trying to flee the cartels, but now it creates the same thing here. So number one, the immigrants that are here are assimilating and they are appreciating the American opportunity. That's a fact, and that's what's showing up in the polls. The second point says, "They don't want the violence either, and they don't want it to reflect on themselves."

• 22:06Tom Ellsworth?

  So there is concern as a regular citizen is, and they're polling like regular citizens on the issue of immigration. And lastly, there's one more thing I'd ask what Michael said, and I think he's absolutely correct. Remember, the DNC, inside the DNC, they eat their young. You remember what they did in South Carolina to Bernie going back elections ago? JB Pritzker is their guy. JB Pritzker is being kept insulated right now, and guess what? I believe that Gavin Newsom doesn't know that the DNC is using him as a veritable suicide bomber in this. He thinks he's out there because he has no, he has no space on the chessboard to move except to the base. I agree with you 100%. He was trying to be

• 22:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Mr. Moderate. He was being chill. He was wearing different clothing. All these things going on, but all of a sudden, he's like, oh crap, I can't stay on that square, otherwise I'll get killed over here. So he has to go back to the base. He doesn't want to be here. And then he and Karen Bass, within 36 hours, suddenly gave Republican stump speeches on violence in the streets. And it's like, wait, what just happened? They even had to run away from their base because they saw the polls coming out, exactly what Harry Enton was talking about. Those are my thoughts.

• 23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what, by the way, Newsom said about Trump. Rob, if you want to go to the Newsom clip, here's Newsom on Trump with what's going on in California. Go for it.

• 23:27Speaker 05

  ... dictators have done in the past. Look, this isn't just about protests here in Los Angeles. When Donald Trump sought blanket authority to commandeer the National Guard, he made that order apply to every state in this nation. This is about all of us. This is about you. California may be first, but it clearly will not end here. Other states are next. Democracy is next. Democracy is under assault before our eyes. This moment has arrived. He is such a good snake in the grass. He's taking a wrecking ball. A wrecking ball to our founding fathers historic project. Three co-equal branches of independent government. There are no longer any checks and balances.

• 24:12Speaker 05

  Congress is nowhere to be found. Speaker Johnson has completely abdicated that responsibility. The rule of law has increasingly been given way to the rule of Don.

• 24:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right here. By the way, he said the president didn't call him. I believe somebody from the president's camp showed the two clips of getting calls. I don't know if it's validated or not. It shows they spoke on 7th or something like that at 1:20 in the morning, you know, and people are coming back saying, well, that call never happened. This is President Trump saying that he called Gavin Newsom.

• 24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  1:23 in the morning. Was this fact check rock by other people in Grob? Michael, did you see anything on fact checking with this one?

• 24:52Speaker 03

  I didn't, and I refuse to believe that Gavin Newsom would lie about something.

• 24:56Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a good point. I think that's a very good, because as a noble man, he would never do such a thing.

• 25:00Speaker 10

  I mean, the only thing, the question though, Pat, he put it, he saved it as Newsom. If it was really Trump, he would have put new scum.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  You think so?

• 25:06Speaker 10

  That's a good point. That's a good point.

• 25:08Patrick Bet-David?

  But remember what Newsom said, Adam, I'm coming to you right after this. Rob, if you can go to that article, very interesting what he said. You have to listen to a couple of the words on what he said there. He said, "This is not going to be California first. It's coming to you."

• 25:20Speaker 10

  Right.

• 25:20Patrick Bet-David?

  How does he know? How does he know Axios, who's not a conservative platform, far from it, they said anti-Trump, no kings protest set for Cleveland, Northeast Ohio. If you go a little bit lower, these are the places it's coming to. This is their plan that they've put together. Go a little bit lower.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Bring it on. Bring it on, baby.

• 25:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's talking about, this is the one that came out three hours ago. I want to see the one, Rob, that says how many cities it's going to and who's funding it. It's a, go right there to the bottom. Millions of people are estimated to protest in more than 1,500 cities across 50 states. The whole thing is called the no kings. And by the way, you know who's one of the people that's funding this? If you go on chat GPT, Rob, and ask, "Who is funding the no kings protest? Who is funding the no kings protest that is taking place?" If you go to this one, it tells you Christie Walton is one of the names. Christie Walton is one of the Waltons. She's, I think, the poorest one, because I think she's only worth 19 or 20 billion dollars.

• 26:23Speaker 10

  What a loser.

• 26:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Okay. And, you know, no kings protest, to coincide with Trump's birthday, plan a military, primary promoting, the Walton era. She funded full-page paid advertisement in New York Times and regional papers encouraging Americans to reject. Authoritarianism and engage in civic protest. The protests themselves are organized by the 50 51 movement alongside with over 100 civil liberties and pro-democracy groups. Some online chatter are saying speculated that Walmart or billionaire George Soros were bankrolling it. There's a lot of speculation here of what's going on, but the reality of it is Newsom didn't just say they're coming to a city near you because he's like he's a predictor. No, no, they've been on conference calls.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:06Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a plan.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Does the Waltons lady not understand that when these peaceful cries of joy come to cities all around the country, that Walmarts are going to be looted as well?

• 27:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, good.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  She not concerned about that?

• 27:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. What do you think, which Walton is this though?

• 27:20Speaker 10

  This is Christie Walton.

• 27:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Is Christie Walton an executive and a decision maker at Walmart? Because I can only imagine if she's not, and imagine the other siblings who are, and this was the one that maybe she smoked pot in school and she was the party one and didn't really take life seriously and didn't like the fact that the parents were rich and, you know, it's like, it's about the people, all we care about is money. Because she owns roughly 1.2, 1.9 to 2% of the company, does not hold any official role, which makes sense, or board of directors, she is a prominent shareholder, she takes no part of management decisions, oh my, I can only imagine how furious.

• 28:02Speaker 10

  Her brother and sister?

• 28:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Other brothers are saying, what the, what are you doing?

• 28:07Speaker 03

  That's, that's how you know she's funding it, she has nothing else to do. No responsibility.

• 28:12Speaker 10

  And can I add something to that? That's a great point too. I mean, it's just another billionaire, you know, money hiding behind activism, she's pretending it's democracy. But the No Kings protests are organized also by a group called Indivisible, which is founded by Ezra Levin and Leah Greenberg. They both authored a 23-page Google doc called Practical Guide for Resisting the Trump Agenda. Some people online have claimed that they're communists, and guess, you'll never guess who donated, and I know they mention him, but $7,600,000 to that group is George Soros.

• 28:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No way.

• 28:44Speaker 10

  Oh my gosh.

• 28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it, Vinny.

• 28:46Speaker 10

  You think Soros? Soros is funding all this? And Mike, and he's I thought he was clean there in forestry. And I wanna, I wanna ask you a question, Mike. It seems to me that the majority of these events, this destruction, this, this chaos in America, always goes back to the money and it's George Soros. How can, how do we not hold that guy accountable when he is the nucleus? He's the main problem and now obviously he's getting older and it's gonna go down to his son.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's probably already moved down to his son. I mean, he's a huge player, obviously, and he's not the only one. I mean, I remember when the USAID thing came out, it was so shocking about it was not that we spend money on a bunch of activist nonsense, is that we, we would spend money, it would go to places like the Tide Center, which is ostensibly international. Then the Tide Center would give money to BLM, so come right back into America. They'd extort the politicians and the businesses and then it was this kind of vicious cycle. And Soros operates in this way, you know? He's, he's very involved in the affairs of certain countries. Hungarian politics, obviously Orban hates him.

• 29:45Adam Sosnick?

  Who won't let him come to, back home.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, smart guy, smart guy that Orban. Obviously he's very involved in American politics because we're the imperial hegemon. But, you know, he gets away with it because we do have certain constitutional protections that can be exploited by very bad actors. Now, this was very annoying during like the, the year of our Floyd, when, you know, the libs were burning the country down. But what was so funny about this, it ain't 2020 anymore. You know, I think you've seen that in, in the response to Los Angeles. This no kings thing is so laughable because Trump won the popular vote. So what are you saying to guys turning himself into a dictator or a tyrant? Most people voted for him. And, and so it's fizzling, it's causing the Democrats to flail. George Soros is a very nefarious actor and he's done a lot of true evil in politics,

• 30:31Speaker 03

  as have many other Democrat donors. But the, the one consolation that we should keep in mind is, he's not omnipotent. And even though it feels like the libs are omnipotent a lot of the time, they're actually, they're actually not. And in this battle right now, I wanna go all in, I wanna donate to this. Because this no kings thing?

• 30:49Adam Sosnick?

  That's right.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  To me, it's an arbitrage opportunity. Like, I just think for, for the Republicans, every new one that pops off is getting us more and more votes, more and more of those shirtless Mexican guys making videos saying, I'm for Trump.

• 30:59Adam Sosnick?

  I think you're giving Soros a little too much credit. Because he's sort of the poster child for this, but let's give credit where credit is due.

• 31:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not saying that.

• 31:06Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, I'm talking to Vinnie, that's all. No, I'm just pointing out where the money's coming from. Don't listen, there's some unsung heroes as well that deserve some credit for sowing the chaos. Let's not let these people go without being mentioned at least as honorable mentions. Give a shout out to Qatar for funding all the billions that they poured in. You gotta give China some respect for sowing all the discord. Iran, give them a little credit. It's not just Soros. Are they paying for this? They're all involved. For this? Somewhere or another. I don't know about that. All this chaos, have you ever seen the three armed thing? Where it's like when these three types of groups get together.

• 31:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, we're on the story on California.

• 31:45Adam Sosnick?

  I know.

• 31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Is Iran funding the protests in California?

• 31:48Adam Sosnick?

  Or Qatar? Iran and Qatar have been funding all sorts of globalist Marxist jihadist agendas. The ICE thing is just a blip on the radar for what Michael pointedly pointed out. ICE is one element of this. The bottom line is, it's the destruction of the West. It's a destruction of America. This is one element of it. Why at Mexican ICE protests do you see Gaza flags constantly? The catheters or whatever, yeah, yeah. Do you ever hear Mexicans talking about Gaza? No. Cause it's all one interweaved agenda to destroy America and this is just one element of that.

• 32:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we got a clip here we want to show. Thank you for that, Adam. This is brought to you by Iran. Adam's a message right there. He wants to make sure his sponsors, the lobbies from Iran.

• 32:33Adam Sosnick?

  No, you gotta give, I said Qatar and China, I know you're, you only heard Iran.

• 32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Shout out to Qatar as well, folks.

• 32:38Adam Sosnick?

  You gotta give Qatar some credit, please.

• 32:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go ahead, Rob.

• 32:41Speaker 11

  We're learning that this isn't really organic, that they, this is highly coordinated, that there is money that's behind this. Some of it is federal grant money or California state grant money even that has gone to these organizations. They've turned around and used it to go after and create this, this actual rioting and this, there's not protesting anymore. This is, this is absolutely rioting.

• 33:07Speaker 12

  So, so what legally can be done? I, I mean, it seems like if they're going, it sounds like a misappropriation of funds. I'm sure it was never intended for this, that funding.

• 33:18Speaker 11

  Yeah, I mean, obviously, they're using the grant money other than it was intended, for sure, but you also have this notion of, are they getting people out and encouraging and fomenting the rioting? It looks like that maybe they are, and if they are, that would be aiding and abetting this kind of misconduct, which is criminal conduct, and aiding and abetting is also a criminal offense.

• 33:39Speaker 12

  I want to just... Oh, go ahead.

• 33:41Speaker 11

  There might even be an opportunity to investigate them for conspiracy as well, because if they've organized this criminal enterprise, then that's conspiracy.

• 33:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's pretty wild to hear that. Vinny, your thoughts?

• 33:57Speaker 10

  I just think we should do what Japan does when it's rioting and looting and it gets out of control. The cops spray blue paint on everybody coming out, so you could recognize them.

• 34:07Tom Ellsworth?

  High-pressure water would die. Just like when you rob a bank, the dye that's on the...

• 34:10Speaker 10

  Yeah, so when your dumb ass is just at work, it's like, "Hey, what'd you do this weekend?" It's like, "I don't..." Like, "Look at your face, bro, there's blue stuff..." I've visited Willy Wonka's factory, actually. Yeah, yeah. Totally legal. But I think, and Pat, we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago, what was going to be their thing? What was... Because we're waiting for it. He's kicking ass, the trade, the terrorists, everything is kind of coming into order, and then all of a sudden, this is popping off. But Mike, you made a great point, like, "Bring it on." It's great. Bring it on, because you know what? We're tired of this shit. And I love, what was that guy, Harry Antin? He looks like he's taking a crap, and why is he so shocked? He won the popular vote, he won every swing state, he's... That's what we want. And it's like, Thomas Homme, Pat, made a point yesterday, I forgot which podcast he was on, in regard to... Let me find it really, really quick.

• 34:54Speaker 10

  Thomas Homme, oh yeah, so he revealed that all of this popped off. You know that we're waiting for the George Floyd moment that they're waiting for? The ICE raid that set it all off was the target of a multinational illegal money laundering scheme linked to the Mexican and Colombian cartels. That's how this started. They weren't grabbing dads and moms and kids getting ripped out of their arms. And he said that the location is one of many, and that they're laundering hundreds of millions of dollars to fund cartel activities, and the Trump administration's going after their money. That's why they're rioting, that's why they're losing their minds. And in that raid, they got, this is so random, a rapist and a murderer convicted was grabbed out of that place.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  And there's an attempted murderer in the anti-deportation protest because of the Molotov cocktail. So I think what, with the liberals and the media, though I repeat myself, don't understand is... What Trump is doing is the moderate option. Okay, they think this is really extreme that you would arrest even the criminals, even the violent criminals. This is very much the moderate option. If the Trump deportations continue at their current pace, by the end of this term, Trump will have deported something like, I don't know, call it 250 to 400,000, maybe if we're lucky, illegal aliens. There are 11 to 16 million illegal aliens in the country conservatively. So, I'm not knocking Trump. Clearly, he's ramping things up and he's dealing with a lot of strong headwinds in the other direction. But what I'm saying is, people voted for mass deportations, okay?

• 36:16Speaker 03

  And so, 400,000 in four years? That's a drop in the bucket. Trump has a lot of political leeway to ramp this up significantly. He will not get blowback from any of the people who matter.

• 36:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's a thing that I will say. If you want to play this clip, Rob, go for it. She's looking good. She's looking really good. Channels Biden. Watch this.

• 36:35Speaker 13

  In a bipartisan way, on January 6th, with violence against the Constitution, against the Congress, and against the United States Capitol, we beg the President of the United States to send in the National Guard. He would not do it. Not only would he not do it...

• 36:58Speaker 03

  Can we get a fact check on that?

• 36:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we have a video.

• 37:00Speaker 13

  Law enforcement, people were being harmed, some later died. He would not send it in when his, an instigation that he, an insurrection that he incited was causing damage to those assigned to protect the Capitol...

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Hang on to that podium.

• 37:17Speaker 13

  And the Constitution that day, to accept the results of the Electoral College.

• 37:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, when they say something like that...

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Now we have an Electoral College. That's shocking.

• 37:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Do they think people don't remember like the clips like with his daughter, with her daughter? Like, do they really know, do they really think that no one's gonna know? Go ahead and play this clip, Rob.

• 37:39Speaker 14

  We have responsibility, Terry. We did not have any accountability for what was going on there, and we should have. This is ridiculous. You're gonna ask me in the middle of the thing when they've already breached the inaugural stuff, that, should we call the Capitol Police? I mean, the National Guard? Why weren't the National Guard there to begin with?

• 38:09Speaker 08

  They thought that they had sufficient resources.

• 38:10Speaker 14

  There's not a question of how they have been. They don't know. They clearly didn't know, and I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more.

• 38:21Speaker 10

  Oh, weird.

• 38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh.

• 38:22Speaker 10

  And you make a great point, but like, she's 85 years old.

• 38:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Not in that picture.

• 38:27Speaker 10

  Yeah, I don't know when the Democrats are gonna just get away from people like her and Chuck Schumer. Anyway, but the January 6 thing, that's one thing. Why isn't any reporter in that room, there's Republicans, in that room with her, stopping her like they'd always do when it's a Republican, and say, "Time out, Ms. Pelosi, you're full of shit. We have a video. You said it, and there's proof."

• 38:52Speaker 03

  But they don't need to. I agree they should if they had any integrity.

• 38:55Speaker 10

  Say something.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  But they don't need to, because you'll do it. Because it's not even us, it's like pseudonymous Twitter accounts will do it immediately. So, they're not gonna, they used to get away with this for decades. They can't get away with this for five seconds now. And even the beginning, the idea that she was gonna deflect from people trying to murder cops in LA and burning parts of the city down by saying, "Well, you know, January 6th." It's gonna be the year 2027, sorry, 2227, she's gonna be 300 years old, she's gonna be lying on her deathbed, her final words are gonna be "January 6th."

• 39:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you imagine?

• 39:30Speaker 03

  You're getting diminishing marginal returns on that.

• 39:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the part where those things are gonna work today. Rob, can you play this clip? Here's another fellow who is talking about what's going on, and he had a complete different perspective. Go ahead and play this clip.

• 39:43Speaker 15

  Someone asked me if I support the protests that are going on in LA. I 100% do. Please keep going. Burn down your own backyard if you must. You know why? Because this, this right here is the greatest campaign that this side never had to pay for. Y'all motherfuckers out there in Los Angeles throwing a full-blown fucking tantrum, like y'all just crawled out the Rio Grande, screaming "Death to America" in a country that gave you the fucking freedom to do that shit. You were born at Casa Permanente in Burbank. Stop it. You ain't cartel-born, you were Target-born with a Costco membership by age 5. Half you motherfuckers protesting ain't even Mexican Mexican. You're American with Mexican heritage and a tattoo of the Virgin Mary you got on a Vegas bender. Don't get it twisted, I respect the heritage, but flying a foreign flag while shitting on the country that gave you the

• 40:25Speaker 15

  fucking freedom to do it, that's not pride. You don't even go to fucking Mexico unless it's for spring break in Cancun with a passport you got from the US government. And you won't go live there. Why? Because you like your DoorDash. Your 7 elevens, your air conditioning, and your freedom to scream dumb shit without a cartel rolling up on your motherfucking ass. And let's be honest, ain't nobody screaming "Death to Mexico" while flying an American flag through Guadalajara. You know why? Because that's how you end up in a back alley, starring in Cartel TikTok, Season 3. Meanwhile, the rest of America is sitting back watching you block freeways during rush hour, destroying businesses, wearing $300 fucking Jordans, screaming about injustice in the city with the most social programs and diversity hires in the fucking country. Y'all are the political version of throwing a Molotov cocktail at a fucking Prius because

• 41:10Speaker 15

  you're mad about gas prices. So, listen, I'm not mad you're passionate. I'm mad you're dumb. And your dumbass behavior is helping the other side more than a Trump rally in Texas with free brisket. Every time y'all riot, loot, tearing up your own shit, you're just birthing another red voter.

• 41:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you can pause it. So, here's a question. Here's a question. Here's a question. Adam, I'm gonna come to you first, and I want you to try to be focused on this question. The question is this, okay? What if, how different would it have been if Trump would have waited 48 hours to respond? 72 hours to respond? Five days to respond? So, let's roleplay this. He responds swiftly, "This was a peaceful protest until you got involved, and you made it to be chaos." Okay? He takes his time. What happens then? Is Newsom begging and saying, "We've been calling, asking for the government to get involved in it." What happens if the president doesn't respond for four or five days instead of swiftly

• 42:09Patrick Bet-David?

  respond? And I'm gonna come to you first.

• 42:11Adam Sosnick?

  Well, the whole city would have burnt down because Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass didn't do anything. It was funny, I was having a conversation with our friend Scott that was here the other day, who lived in LA, and I was like, "Hey, did you see what happened in LA over the weekend?" And he goes, "No, what's up?" I go, "The whole city's on fire." He goes, "Again?" Like, as if like there was another fire. "Oh, no, no, it's a different fire this time. This time it's man-made." Well, maybe the last time it was man-made as well, I don't know. He's like, "What happened?" I go, "Yeah, they're all protesting, ICE raids, everything like that." He's like, "Oh, my God, I can't believe it. I'm so glad I got out of there." So, the reality is this, Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass, I don't follow California like you guys do. You guys all lived there for 20 years, decade, decade, decade. I've spent a couple summers there. I give zero Fs about California.

• 42:55Adam Sosnick?

  In Florida, I'm looking at California on the other side of the country, and I'm like, "What losers?"

• 43:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, say, "Focus on the question."

• 43:01Adam Sosnick?

  The city could have, should have, and would have burnt down. If not for Trump.

• 43:04Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what you think. Okay.

• 43:05Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So, Michael, what do you think? Say, say the president waits four or five days, doesn't respond, no National Guard, no Marines. How different of an approach would Newsom have taken? And what would have happened to California?

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Well, all of the focus would have just been on the deportation rates. So, you know, there was no way that the Democrat response publicly was ever going to be different than it was. Either you're going to complain about the Marines, or you're going to complain about the National Guard, or you're going to complain about Tom Homan. But, but you remember, Trump is the one who started it. Actually, the Democrats started it when they let all the illegals in. But Trump is the one who set the stage for this political episode. And he did it for justice, and he did it for law enforcement, he did to give the voters what they want. But the man could not have scripted it better. Let's, you know, he's a showbiz guy, and he was a top network TV star. So, I think he knew that, okay, if he comes in right away, then they're going to complain about his response to their response to the deportations.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Had he let it play out, you would have had some more rioting, some more looting, and the Democrats would have just been complaining about Trump in a different way. I don't know that the actual number of cars burnt and people attacked and cops threatened. I don't know that that totally would have changed. So, in my view, you know, I attribute at least four D-chests to Trump on a lot of these things, on the political showbiz of it all. I think he just played it out well. He backed them into a corner where anything, anything they did was going to redound to their detriment.

• 44:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Tom, what do you think?

• 44:35Tom Ellsworth?

  I think that we saw the playbook for the Palisades fires with Gavin Newsom saying, getting caught trying to get in a car, faking that he was on a phone call, wouldn't talk to the citizen, was getting in the SUV, and Karen Bass denying what was going on, and the fire chief. And remember what they then wove in? "We're out here trying to do this ourselves. We could use some help. Where's the president? Why doesn't he come out here?" And so, they would have just found a way to spin it on Trump. And I think we saw the playbook with the Palisades fire, the way he spun that.

• 45:07Patrick Bet-David?

  So, here's what I think he, it's going to be interesting to do. If I was an advisor on the inside, I would have said, "Perfect. Now that we know he responded like this, California responded like this. When this happens in any other blue state, let it happen." Give it four or five days. You're gonna go into 1500 cities? Yeah, no problem. Red states, they don't have a problem if we send National Guard. They don't have a problem if we send support. Blue states, you don't need it? No problem. You got it. Go ahead, Illinois, Chicago. Go ahead, you know, or whatever the... Spokane. Spokane, Washington. Go ahead, oh, go ahead, you're right. You got it. Handle yourself. Now, if they come back and they flip and they say, why don't you send National Guard? The government didn't help. They didn't do anything.

• 45:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, now make up your mind. What do you want to do? This is gonna be a very easy way of catching the contradiction in their argument of what's really gonna be happening if people do show up or not show up. California became the case study. Newsom's either gonna look like a clown, a fool, in the next few weeks if they flip the approach. Now, the problem with that is, some people may say, is that the best thing for the citizen that's living in that city? Why play politics? Do what's right for the citizen and don't play politics with these guys, because the American people voted for you. There are people that voted for you in these cities, like Chicago, like New York, and you know what Trump's gonna be doing. Trump's gonna be supporting him no matter what. But the reality of it is, I wonder how they would have reacted if time was taken, if nobody did get involved.

• 46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Couple of things to be thinking about, that citizens are taking matters in their own hands. What is this, Rob? This is what? This is... That was the fake phone call. Oh, I'm on an emergency call. I'm trying to talk to people. I remember that, yeah. But go to, go to the citizen. Here's a guy, look what he throws at ICE, or the sheriff, or who is that? Is that Marshall?

• 46:58Speaker 10

  I would say Marshall, like, it's a tactical unit.

• 47:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know who it is, but watch what happens here, folks. Watch this. Go ahead.

• 47:04Speaker 10

  This is yesterday. Hey, what's up, fool? I'll do the voiceover. Hey, what's up, fool? Hey, that's my drink, eh?

• 47:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me?

• 47:09Speaker 10

  Yes, that's it.

• 47:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Boom!

• 47:11Speaker 10

  That's how you get it.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Can I confess something?

• 47:14Patrick Bet-David?

  All of a sudden Lawrence Taylor shows up and just kicks this guy down?

• 47:16Speaker 03

  That's called a citizen's arrest, ladies and gentlemen. Last night, I get to my hotel, and I hadn't seen that video, and it popped up on my Twitter. I must have watched it 10 times.

• 47:25Tom Ellsworth?

  I did, I did.

• 47:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just watch it one more time. I know a football team that wouldn't mind signing that guy to protect. By the way, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Cincinnati Bengals should sign him to protect Joe Burrow.

• 47:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Alright, I'll do the voiceover.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  And here we go.

• 47:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Hey, what's up, what's up? Hey, what's up, man? Hey, take my drink, eh? I'm gonna run away.

• 47:46Adam Sosnick?

  The catches in California, from what I've seen for the last five years, the guy that tackled him is gonna get in trouble.

• 47:51Speaker 10

  Oh, for sure.

• 47:52Adam Sosnick?

  He's the guy to go to the jail, the other guy's gonna get cashed out.

• 47:55Speaker 10

  Not this week.

• 47:55Adam Sosnick?

  There's one other element here, as far as timing goes, don't forget Trump is a master of timing and marketing. What was happening, the number one story in the world 24 hours before this? Was Trump versus Elon.

• 48:08Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:08Adam Sosnick?

  And all of a sudden, boom.

• 48:10Speaker 10

  Gone.

• 48:10Adam Sosnick?

  That goes away.

• 48:11Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 48:12Adam Sosnick?

  Hey, did you hear what happened to Trump and Elon? No, did you see what's going on in LA?

• 48:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you think Trump did that?

• 48:17Adam Sosnick?

  Do I think, do I think Trump did what?

• 48:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Trump responded the way he did to eliminate that story?

• 48:22Adam Sosnick?

  I think there's an element of Trump, if you're thinking, if you're playing 4D chess, if you wanna give him a little bit of credit.

• 48:28Speaker 10

  I'll tell you, look, if that's the case.

• 48:29Adam Sosnick?

  You don't think that Trump would use that opportunity to deflect from him being on Epstein Island?

• 48:34Speaker 10

  So then now that that, that's taken over, what about Iran?

• 48:37Adam Sosnick?

  I'm dead wrong here?

• 48:41Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, what was that noise?

• 48:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, go ahead.

• 48:45Speaker 10

  The bong hit. Say your point one more time, honestly.

• 48:49Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying, there's probably a little bit of likelihood of Trump responding quicker than maybe he wanted to have. Cause Trump understands letting California, LA burn down, he's gonna say, look at Karen Bass, look at Gavin Newsom, you're letting your city, you know, you're staying in your city. So he's like, alright, I'm in the news for not good things, like was the Elon thing, a good thing or a bad thing for Trump?

• 49:11Speaker 10

  No, bad.

• 49:11Adam Sosnick?

  Bad, okay, let's steal the headlines.

• 49:14Speaker 10

  So what would, okay, so what would you say in that sense? So now that, okay, so the Elon thing was here.

• 49:19Adam Sosnick?

  I don't think that's a crazy theory.

• 49:20Speaker 10

  Then the, the, the ice raids, but then now what's gonna shut this up? Cause this is a bad look, it's gonna be what, the Iran thing is next because that's coming up?

• 49:27Speaker 03

  But I think this is a good look for Trump, and by the way, if that theory is true, if Trump sent in Tom Homan and then the guard and then the Marines in order to distract from mean Trump tweets?

• 49:38Speaker 03

  Elon, I'm talking right to you now, buddy. I know you're watching. Elon, you need a lot more mean tweets. We need to get, I want Tom Homan in every city in this country. I don't care how many tweets it takes. I love it.

• 49:48Adam Sosnick?

  Elon, but then 24 hours after that, Elon reverses sources and apologizes. So let me, so let me ask you a question though. I've heard way wilder theories of this show.

• 49:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what is this, Rob?

• 49:58Speaker 16

  Uh, this is Chris Cuomo. I believe Vinnie sent this clip.

• 50:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 16

  Uh, this is Chris Cuomo saying exactly what Adam is saying, that, uh, actually placing blame on the riots on Trump as a form of distraction from the ongoing tariff wars.

• 50:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go ahead.

• 50:11Speaker 17

  Okay. This is a wet dream for him, what's happening right now. This is a perfect, legitimate, justifiable distraction from economic uncertainty and downturn that is not only on his watch.

• 50:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Those are two different things.

• 50:34Speaker 17

  It is his fault. Nothing that he needs to focus on is going well. This-

• 50:41Adam Sosnick?

  Like what?

• 50:41Speaker 17

  Is such a great proxy for MAGA. Look at these crazy lefties with their pro Palestine, they're protesting against ICE nominally, which I think there are totally righteous and legal reasons to protest what the administration is forcing ICE to do right now. I don't blame the agents, but the mandate is way too broad.

• 51:05Speaker 16

  It's a lot of prevarication.

• 51:06Speaker 17

  Uh, and too accelerated.

• 51:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it.

• 51:09Adam Sosnick?

  Can I, can I, okay.

• 51:11Speaker 10

  So he's sort of saying what I-

• 51:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, what you're saying is, what you're saying is, he fabricated it to distract versus-

• 51:17Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 51:18Patrick Bet-David?

  If it's a gift that was dropped, okay, yeah, maybe. No, no.

• 51:21Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying the second one.

• 51:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you, no, no, stop, stop. You said, Trump's a 4D chess guy, he could be using this as a way to get people to get away from that. That's one theory. The other theory is, he happened to gotten lucky with this dropping now, and that's why nobody's looking here anymore, they're going here. That theory, yeah, okay, great. Yeah, maybe. But it's not that Trump created this chaos to get people not to think about what's going on with Musk and-

• 51:47Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying he responded to the chaos.

• 51:52Speaker 10

  Well, well, first of all, and again, we obviously, we love Chris, you know, we hang out with him, he's a cool guy, but how many more times is this guy going to be wrong and talking out of his ass? Like, what, hold on, what economic downfall? We're kicking ass in the economy, he's saying Trump isn't doing well. Show me where he's not doing well. He's doing exactly what the hell we wanted. He also said that the Lake and Riley murder was just a single issue. And then he said the other day that Joe Rogan in three months is not going to be where Joe Rogan is at. I think, I think he's completely off his rocker, but the thing is this, guys, this is all planned from the left. They knew, because he said it, Tom Homan was going to be going around and we're going to do this mass deportation.

• 52:34Speaker 10

  My question is, did the Democrats pull the trigger too early? Because at the end of the day, Trump isn't coming back in. Trump is gone in three and a half years. Bye bye, he's finished. What's the problem is the midterms, right, Mike? So do you think that they pulled the trigger too early because this is going to die out, what, in a month? We won't even be hearing about this in a month. Is it too early that they did this? Because what else are they gonna have?

• 52:55Speaker 03

  They had to test it out, I think. And so, in a way, it's very good for them that they tested it out now before the midterms, because it didn't work. You know, they thought they were going to have another George Floyd summer and that, but it didn't work. And I think part of the reason it didn't work actually is the Trump response. It's not just that people could look at them and like the shirtless Mexican guy say, they look crazy and I don't want them to govern. Part of it also was Trump exerting authority in a, in a good way. Chris Cuomo, there's talk about uncertainty. Sure, whatever, there's always economic uncertainty. But there is certainty when Trump is in office that your cities aren't going to burn down. There is certainty that we're going to finally enforce immigration laws, that now the illegal crossings have dropped basically to zero. There is this sense of

• 53:37Speaker 03

  safety and that, you know, ultimately, what a president is supposed to provide, what any national or imperial leader even is supposed to provide, is just kind of peace, you know, and then people can go, go about their business and do what they want to do. I think they gave him an opportunity, not just, they didn't just showcase their insanity. They gave him an opportunity to, to show people why they voted for him. I think they need a completely different strategy for the midterms.

• 54:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's Trump taking a few questions and it comes up with the riots and protests and here's what he said. Go for it.

• 54:07Speaker 18

  We're gonna have a lot of, and if there's any protester ones that come out, they will be met with very big force. By the way, for those people that want to protest, they're gonna be met with very big force. And I haven't even heard about a protest, but you know, this is people that hate our country, but they will be met with very heavy force. Thank you very much, everybody.

• 54:29Adam Sosnick?

  What does that mean exactly?

• 54:30Speaker 10

  Heavy force. Like if you're gonna try to come up there and burn this, and cause problems and ruin people's days and throw Molotov cocktails and shit just because you were paid to go do there, you're gonna be met with force. Because they're not playing, like, enough is enough, bro. We're not, we're not gonna keep letting this happen and let people burn down their cities. And this guy, this is the guy that has attempted murder. You see him creeping so bad. Think about this. There's officers on the right, there's ICE agents, and there's people on the right. Look at him. He's threatening them with the lighter. He's basically saying, I have a lighter and I have Molotov cocktails. And then, Robbie, if you fast forward a little bit, right, keep going, keep going, keep going. Look, he stands behind the tree, and then he throws something at them right there. You see that? That's attempted murder. And that guy's cooked, and he's finished. And they run after his ass, and they grab him. You can't be, like, that, that. He's saying that, Adam. You try to

• 55:14Speaker 10

  do that shit? Like, enough is enough, bro. We're law and order. We're not gonna let these people take over the country.

• 55:19Tom Ellsworth?

  And the reason we're seeing this is because we have citizen journalism, and then we have the rise of alternative media, and that we all complain about the MSM. But Michael said something about 10 minutes ago that I completely agree with. The MSM is dying. The mainstream media is slowly dying. And what we're seeing here is a democratization of the access to all of this footage and things, so that, and by the way, when you have Brian, when you have bald Brian saying on CNN, oh, they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna, you know, misinterpret what they see. We can't trust the public to see it. You know, what's going on here. Sorry, dude. Americans know what they're seeing. And you see this, and by the way, I love this. Today, I was sitting there thinking about

• 56:02Tom Ellsworth?

  this as I was preparing, and today, an article on Puck from Dylan Byers. I don't agree with Dylan on everything, but Dylan, you're on, you're on point on this one. CNN prepares for the afterlife. It's talking about the death of what was once a news, this is their grown people talking about him this way. So I, I love this.

• 56:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's your friend, Brian Stelzer. Go for it.

• 56:23Speaker 19

  And I've noticed, Brianna, we all live on our phones these days. We're all scrolling through social media. You've got to be careful at a delicate moment like this to look at the timestamps, look at the dates, look at when things are actually posted and if they're really from the situation they're purporting to be. A lot of these algorithms are servicing hours old or even days old content. So you might be looking at a video of something, wondering what's happening in LA. It's actually from two days ago. And that's, you know, it only matters because it can give people a false impression of what's actually happening at a moment of unrest.

• 56:55Speaker 10

  CNN fired you because they were trying to go more center. Why did they bring his dumb ass back? He's the same one that when Biden was getting held and talked, taken off stage, he's like, guys, these are cheap fakes. Don't believe it. He is completely full of shit. He's one of the worst people.

• 57:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Don't believe your eyes, just believe what we say.

• 57:15Speaker 10

  Yeah, exactly. Him, he needs to, wherever Jim Acasa is, go do your Substack, get the hell out. I'm tired of this guy, bro.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  Now we turn to the fired CNN correspondent here on CNN to tell all the dying CNN viewers why they need to watch CNN.

• 57:28Patrick Bet-David?

  That is so funny. By the way, here's, uh, here's what happens in Florida. If you want to bring the protesting in Florida, this is what the governor of Florida just said. Go ahead, Rob.

• 57:36Speaker 20

  And we also have a policy that if you're driving on one of those streets and a mob comes and surrounds your vehicle and threatens you, you have a right to flee for your safety. And so if you drive off and you hit one of these people, that's their fault for impinging on you. You don't have to sit there and just be a sitting duck and let the mob grab you out of your car and drag you through the streets. You have a right to defend yourself.

• 58:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Michael, thoughts on this?

• 58:03Tom Ellsworth?

  And if you see protests in Florida, please give Vinnie the coordinates.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  I've had this thought, because you put yourself, I actually try not to, despite my Sicilian and Irish heritage, I try not to let my wrath get away from me. I try to be really patient, even if I'm driving in LA in some lunatic climate, whatever people are in the street. But then put yourself in this position. You're driving and there's an angry mob and you got your kid in the back of the car. Or you got a sick kid, you're trying to get to the hospital or something, and you got these people standing around talking about the sun monster shutting down the 405. I think the prudent, just, reasonable, good, Christian thing to do would be to run them over. Try to get them out of the way, but to run them over. Like, I think that's actually justice, and prudence, and safety. And it's the healthiest and safest thing to do.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  And so, what DeSantis is doing here is, I think, answering what most of us know, not only in our gut, but even in our heads. And I want to see this in every Republican state in the country.

• 58:59Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, can you go to that video, Rob, on X? I actually want to know what the commentary is. Go find that video. Put "DeSantis driving." Okay, "DeSantis, you know, driving," I think that's the video. And then just go to...

• 59:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to, yeah, I want to see whatever the biggest, most liked is out of all of those most comments. Go to that one. Okay, that one right there. Go to the second one, right there. And go zoom out, zoom in a little bit to just see what people are saying. Zoom in a little bit. "In Florida, H1 was okay. Drivers may avoid civil lawsuits if they hit a protester while fleeing in near safety, but this does not grant immunity from criminal charges. You could face jail time for crime, like vehicular assault or manslaughter, depending on the..." Can you put "show more, please?" "Depending on..." "This law is controversial with debates over driver's safety and protests illegal." Okay. So, "Self-defense means mowing down civilians now." What happens to de-escalation?

• 59:58Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a reckless abuse of power, not leadership. Was he really drunk when he said this?

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  It is de-escalation. Okay. Getting out of the scene is de-escalation.

• 1:00:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. So what's the next one? "We need laws that protect people from being harmed, not encourage them to cause harm. Protesters blocking roads is frustrating, but that doesn't justify turning the streets into a battleground." Okay, what's the next one?

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  They're the ones who turn the streets into a battleground.

• 1:00:17Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point, yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  They're on the street. The streets are for cars, not for lunatics.

• 1:00:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Signs everywhere in Florida say that you must stop for pedestrian crossing the street. Hundred percent agree with DeSantis. Protest isn't murder, assault, arson, vandalism, destruction, or detainment. People doing or threatening these things are not exercising their rights. Okay, what's the next one?

• 1:00:37Speaker 10

  They're committing crimes against you. Boom.

• 1:00:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Makes sense if they're surrounding your car and afraid for safety, drive. Get away. Hurting the protesters isn't the point. Them being in the way shouldn't stop your escape.

• 1:00:48Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the next one?

• 1:00:49Speaker 10

  You know, there's actually-

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  This is a great policy. This is a philosophical point that actually goes way down in the Western tradition. Uh, there's this Thomistic principle for St. Thomas Aquinas called double effect. Which is, you, uh, let's say like you're pro-life and you have an ectopic pregnancy. So you don't want to kill the baby, but if the baby continues to grow, you'll die. You could, if you, if you go in and treat the ectopic pregnancy, let's say you remove the fallopian tube. The consequence will be the death of the baby, of the baby in the womb. But that's not what you're intending. That's not principally what you're doing. And so this is a moral way to get through thorny moral issues. That's exactly what this guy is advocating here, and it is morally perfect. Which is to say, you're, it's not like you're going out trying to mow down hippies.

• 1:01:34Speaker 03

  Some people might do that, and in which case, as Grok points out, they could be prosecuted. It's that you're trying to get away. You need to protect the right of innocent people to get away, to protect their kids, to protect their, their persons. And so when you do that, you're actually just, what DeSantis is doing is enshrining into law a, a basic principle that we in the West have understood to be moral for many, many centuries.

• 1:01:55Speaker 10

  Tom, let me just really fast, Tom reminded me, 1992, remember that guy, Reginald Denny? Who was dragged out of his truck? They hit him in the head with a brick. They were dumping, Rob, I, I sent you a thing on Slack. He got dragged out of his car, his truck during the riots. He's a working guy out of a 16-wheeler, and they threw bricks at his head and they were slamming stuff on him. And this, that's a photo, um, look at that. That's, that was through the 92 riots. And he stopped his truck, he was waving at him from inside. He didn't want anything, and they attacked the truck and then dragged him out. They beat his ass almost to death.

• 1:02:25Adam Sosnick?

  That was the infamous LA riots when Rodney King got his ass whipped by, I think, four policemen. And his famous lines were, can't we all get along?

• 1:02:32Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:02:33Adam Sosnick?

  In the spirit of that, let me say one thing about protests.

• 1:02:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Don't throw a swing at a cop and they won't do a drum solo on your face.

• 1:02:37Adam Sosnick?

  In the spirit of protests, let me just kind of give an counterargument. I'm all for protests. I mean, our foundation of our country is based on a protest. No taxation without representation. So let's not get it twisted. You can protest. You just don't do it violently. Don't riot. Don't bring arsonists. Don't bring people who are absolute criminals firing guns at cops. So this rhetoric, I think, needs to be just tampered down a little bit. Running people over in your car? Mow them down? Shoot them? Relax. Let's be grownups in here. This goes back to what that black guy was saying when he's like, "This is the best campaign ad you possibly can have." Because if you show up and act normal and give a protest, and you would seem reasonable, people are like, "Wow, these guys actually seem legit."

• 1:03:19Tom Ellsworth?

  But you know, the point you're making was-

• 1:03:20Adam Sosnick?

  But when you act like psychopaths, nobody's gonna have your back.

• 1:03:22Tom Ellsworth?

  This is an organized riot. I see what you're saying, but let's call it what it is. Have I seen a protest? Have I seen people standing on City Hall with a bullhorn, trying to make their point, pointing to a social media post where they, they put their Magna Carta of their grievances up? No, I haven't seen any of that. I haven't seen an orderly crowd listening to somebody. I have a dream and cheering and crying. I haven't seen that. I've seen organized people. I've seen ads on Craigslist looking for tough guys. I've seen vans handing out masks and other supplies to them. I see people that are using, I see a second group of people using it as an excuse to loot businesses. That's what I see. I am waiting with hungry eyes to see a protest that says, "Here's our point. Here's our charter.

• 1:04:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Here's our, our, our voice." And peacefully gathering together and, and talking about it. Show me the protest. I haven't seen it.

• 1:04:15Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, there was a clip I saw. I wish I would have saved this, Rob. It's a mother who's into protesting. She's driving with two kids in a car.

• 1:04:24Adam Sosnick?

  I think they fact-checked that. And I think it was, I think that was from Florida. And in 2024, I believe.

• 1:04:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that, is that the one right there?

• 1:04:31Adam Sosnick?

  The white car? I think, I think, yeah. Zeal took, yeah. I think that was from Florida. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:35Patrick Bet-David?

  It doesn't matter to me. That's not the point.

• 1:04:37Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, got you, got you.

• 1:04:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not, I'm not talking about protests. I want, I want, I want you to play this clip. So watch this clip. You're played if you could.

• 1:04:46Patrick Bet-David?

  She's got kids in a car, right?

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  There, if you're a parent, you gotta run them over.

• 1:04:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so here's the part, okay, you can pause it right there. I'm gonna ask you a question. Adam, let's play, let's play, uh...

• 1:05:02Adam Sosnick?

  Devil's Advocate.

• 1:05:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So, imagine you're a mother with two kids in a car. One's eight months old, one's four. They're in their seat. What do you do in that moment? What do you do? Tell your wife, she calls you. Babe, I'm in a car with the kids in the back. There's 50 people in front of me right now, what should I do? Babe, you should get out of the car and ask them nicely to move.

• 1:05:28Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, jeez.

• 1:05:29Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you tell her to do? Your wife calls you, your two kids, your two sons, daughter are in the back. What do you tell her to do?

• 1:05:35Adam Sosnick?

  If you're in danger and it's a riot, you gotta do what you gotta do to survive.

• 1:05:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you tell her to do?

• 1:05:39Adam Sosnick?

  Which is what? Get the... Out of there, run them over, whoever you gotta run over.

• 1:05:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, good, so...

• 1:05:42Adam Sosnick?

  But that's not a protest.

• 1:05:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:05:44Adam Sosnick?

  That's a full-on chaotic riot.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  That's called a left-wing protest.

• 1:05:47Adam Sosnick?

  I agree. But then people are gonna say, "Well, look at January 6th." 'Cause here's my opinion.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Look at it, I'd love to look at January 6th.

• 1:05:53Adam Sosnick?

  I could be totally wrong, you tell me. I think at least half of the protesters actually come in peace. Left or right.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:06:00Adam Sosnick?

  But then what's happened is that all of a sudden bad actors show up.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  On buses from Memphis.

• 1:06:05Adam Sosnick?

  You mean just like January 6th, the paid agitators that were there on the FBI heat? But there was also, listen, it wasn't just all just paid agitators. There were people flying, uh, you know, the South Should've Won type flags, Confederate flags. So, people are gonna show up, anarchists are gonna show up, troublemakers are gonna show up.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  But they only show up on the...

• 1:06:21Adam Sosnick?

  Arsonists are gonna show up.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  That's the problem.

• 1:06:22Adam Sosnick?

  They also showed up on January 6th.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  Sort of, like, most of what happened...

• 1:06:25Adam Sosnick?

  But they did.

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  Not really.

• 1:06:26Adam Sosnick?

  Adam, who killed, nobody died, nobody's defending.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  The one person who died in political...

• 1:06:29Adam Sosnick?

  The left is way worse, way worse, way worse, not even close.

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  The one person who died...

• 1:06:33Adam Sosnick?

  But let's not pretend that everyone is there for arson and murder.

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  But it's, I think there's just no comparison. Even if you look at January 6th, which is the only example on the right that anyone can point to of an even semi-violent riot. One person died in the political violence, and it was a Trump supporter shot by a trigger-happy cop. And there were weirdos and wackos, and they had horn hats, and they took selfies. And I'm not saying it was the most beautiful protest ever. That's the closest thing they have. Meanwhile, it seems like every major lib... Protest movement, what's going on in LA... The George Floyd stuff, the climate change stuff, Occupy Wall Street, going on and on and on. The vast majority of attacks ever at the US Capitol, going back over a century now, they're from the left. And I don't think this is just an accident. I think it's, even if you go all the way back to the American Revolution, like you were talking about, you know, there was a radical aspect of the revolution, the kind of Sons of Liberty types, and there

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  was a more conservative aspect of the revolution, the John Adams types. They were a little bit more orderly. And I just think, we don't have it in us to throw Molotov cocktails. We don't do that. That's not part of our political order. We're not Jacobins. The left is. I mean, the left, that's where the left comes from, is the French Revolution and the Jacobins. So, you know, when we implement these kinds of common sense safety laws, where you say, "Look, you got kids in your car, and you got these leftists around you, and they're getting a little threatening, and you get to hit the accelerator a little bit." To me, this makes perfect sense, and it's not, it's not going to be, well, both sides do it. At a long enough time horizon, the violence at right wing political rallies drops statistically to nothing. And on a long enough time horizon, the incidents of

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  violence at left wing rallies goes up to 100.

• 1:08:07Adam Sosnick?

  You want to know why you're absolutely right? And I'll give you an example. Because the right had the common sense and the chutzpah to take the cancer of the right out. The neo-Nazis, the KKK, the white supremacists, who were part of the far right.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  They could be radicals.

• 1:08:23Adam Sosnick?

  They said, "No, no, no, no, no. Get them out of here. You've experienced some of this far right, you know, hatred online, I'm sure. But the left has not had the balls to say, 'Get the communists out of here. Get the anarchists out of here. Get the Antifa out of here.'" They haven't had the balls to do that where the right has.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the left can't, because it's just all part of the same thing.

• 1:08:42Adam Sosnick?

  There it is.

• 1:08:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, what we're gonna do, just to test this out, we're gonna send Adam to LA to these protests.

• 1:08:50Adam Sosnick?

  With a Prius?

• 1:08:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Put him in a car.

• 1:08:51Adam Sosnick?

  Prius?

• 1:08:52Patrick Bet-David?

  With two dolls, kids, in the back. And we're gonna say, "All right, Adam, what are you gonna be doing? Right? Show us your case study. Get out and do your Adam-friendly thing. Hey, guys, can we all just get along?"

• 1:09:02Adam Sosnick?

  I want no part of these people. I'll give Vinnie one piece of credit. You know, Kristi Noem said that LA is a city of criminals.

• 1:09:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you play that clip, Rob?

• 1:09:09Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:09:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you play that clip?

• 1:09:10Adam Sosnick?

  Yes, sir, you say.

• 1:09:12Speaker 21

  Those are the people we're going after. I mean, those are our targets. Today, we had over 400 to 500 targets we were going after that were known members of gangs in LA that have been victimizing people for years, that Gavin Newsom has done absolutely nothing about, that Mayor Bass has done absolutely nothing about. Listen, I served with her in Congress before she was ever mayor, and she is a train wreck of a mayor now that is endorsing these kind of activities, has allowed her city to be completely devastated with crime, and now she's holding press conferences, talking about the fact that people have the right to peacefully protest and that they're a city of immigrants. Well, they're not a city of immigrants, they're a city of criminals, because she has protected them for so many

• 1:09:54Speaker 21

  years. And so, we're coming in and doing what the President has said that he's going to do, and he's going to allow people to live in a safe community again. And we're going to use the authority that he has as President of the United States to conduct these operations, and the more that people conduct violence against law enforcement officers, boy, we're gonna hit 'em back, and we're gonna hit 'em back harder than we ever have before.

• 1:10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You were gonna say with Vinnie.

• 1:10:17Adam Sosnick?

  I was gonna say, give Vinnie credit. Vinnie calls a lot of people demons. He's a demon, he's a demon, everyone's a demon. This is supposedly the city of angels. It looks a lot closer to the city of demons at this point. So, credit's credit due for you.

• 1:10:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, it is what it is. We're gonna see what's gonna happen. We pray for the people of LA, for them to figure it out. There was a mayor, is it a mayor, Rob, the sheriff from this city? San Bernardino. San Bernardino, who came out aggressive, and now they want him to run for governor. Watch this one here. Perfect mustache.

• 1:10:51Speaker 22

  ...appalled that we are at this point in society where people come out and think that this is okay, and then it makes it 100 times worse when you have politicians that are encouraging it. That are not calling it what it is, which is criminal activity. Uh, the, the lying to all of us, lying to the media and purposely using the word peaceful. While maybe they should look at their phones or their TVs because I have law enforcement officers that are being shot at, that are being injured, that are being hurt, uh, vehicles being damaged, things being burned, and they're calling it peaceful. It is a disgusting display of, of partisan politics.

• 1:11:32Speaker 22

  Uh, I wish they would all just put their phones down, be quiet and let law enforcement handle this how it should be handled, which is the complete enforcement of law and holding criminals accountable. It's rocks, bottles.

• 1:11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there. Good, the fact that there are people like this in the state of California now. Imagine him on stage going against Newsom.

• 1:11:52Speaker 16

  Oh.

• 1:11:52Patrick Bet-David?

  One is a spinner and he's going to be based on values. Who's going to win? What is that clip you got, Rob?

• 1:11:57Speaker 16

  Oh, this was just in regards to the, if you had your children in the vehicle. This is a mother in New York who's trying to get to work and she's stopped by protesters who are arguing that, uh, ICE agents are stealing from their children and hurting them.

• 1:12:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 1:12:26Speaker 23

  So funny. How is this a peaceful protest if there's enough, there's nothing to do?

• 1:12:33Patrick Bet-David?

  We don't know that.

• 1:12:35Speaker 10

  Allegedly, he looks like. It looks like that actor.

• 1:12:38Speaker 24

  Do you care about stopping black people from going to work? Look at this line that she does, "I'm not pausing no problems, I'm not trying to work it for me."

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  Man bun, white liberal and his mother or someone.

• 1:12:50Speaker 16

  You're oppressed, why don't you understand?

• 1:12:51Patrick Bet-David?

  There you have it. There you have it. What's this, Rob?

• 1:12:54Speaker 16

  And this is, uh, the mayor of Paramount where she begs the Trump administration to stop terrorizing the poor people of Paramount with ICE raids.

• 1:13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's see it.

• 1:13:03Speaker 25

  On Saturday morning, um, myself along with Assembly, Assemblymember Solachi, we were gassed and we were hit with the rubber pellets or whatever they were shooting at us. I'm asking you, please, listen to me. Stop terrorizing our residents. You need to stop these raids.

• 1:13:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my God.

• 1:13:23Speaker 25

  We were at a council meeting last night where members of our community were crying to us. Mayor, we need help. We need direction with all of our great city council members. We need help and guidance on what we could do for our residents. But I'm asking you, please stop the raids. This has to stop now. Thank you.

• 1:13:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not even a DEI. Pause it right there. Everybody's a lady except for men. You're gonna protect your city? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. You guys are gonna protect your city. And I'm sure that person didn't say that to you, that they're doing that to them, but you can definitely spin it. Michael, you see this kind of stuff? You see all these, you know, the advertisement promoting all of these things? What do you think about with these last couple of clips?

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  Well, look, I think the best we can do for that lady is more pellets. We're not gonna be able to...

• 1:14:10Patrick Bet-David?

  More pellets for Paramount.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Yes. Pellets for Paramount! That's my campaign. Where do I donate? Where do I... What they don't seem to... They don't even seem to understand the structure of the government. Because they're saying here, they got the City of Los Angeles sign and says, "We're begging you, please stop these raids." Well, the city can't stop the raids, and the state can't stop the raids. And actually, the federal government is going to be implementing these raids, because that's what they were elected to do. And because they have jurisdiction over the issue of immigration. And they're gonna show their power. You know, and I think this is something that on the left and the right, we have misunderstood. And certainly Hollywood has misunderstood for decades. We forget that political power is a real thing. Because we've had this line, and I've said it to plenty of... We've all said it.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  Politics is downstream of culture, and you know, the movies actually are the real governing force. And sure, like, there's some truth to that, I guess. But culture is downstream of politics, too. And when you win, like Cocaine Mitch McConnell said, the winners go to Washington and the losers go home. And then you get to make laws, and at the very least, you get executive orders, and you get to enforce laws. And people are gonna get in line. I mean, the clearest example of this is Pride Month.

• 1:15:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you just say Cocaine Mitch McConnell?

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  Cocaine Mitch, yeah.

• 1:15:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So the Cocaine Cowboys about him?

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  I think it is. It's a biopic, actually. Is that the story about Mitch McConnell, that he likes to party? Very few people know that. Rock, is that true? I don't... But they don't... You see this? The clearest example is Pride Month. Because Pride Month just went away this year. There's no Pride Month. It's kind of funny. We got rid of Pride parades in LA and now we just have like Mexican race riots. So I don't actually Pride maybe wasn't so bad.

• 1:15:44Patrick Bet-David?

  It's okay, no problem.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  But but with Pride Month, it's not that there was some big cultural shift and we had new TV shows and movies. No, the people voted for Trump and then all the corporations realized that their companies were going to get ground into the dirt by the people and maybe by the government. If they kept pushing the weird rainbow stuff on little kids. So they just stopped.

• 1:16:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. By the way, that's interesting because this right and Tommy Robinson said something very interesting about immigrants coming to the country. Very, very interesting.

• 1:16:16Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, and I know that you know, this is going to sound very weird. He says Muslims that come to our country, they don't contribute to the economy. Forty-one percent of them don't contribute to the economy at all. Well, the average Brit is at 24%. So they don't work. They find ways to make money in a very different way. They're all on entitlement, not all. Forty-one percent don't contribute according to stats that we got.

• 1:16:37Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:16:37Patrick Bet-David?

  He says at least illegal immigrants that come from Mexico, they want to work.

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:42Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, we wish it was Mexicans coming to UK.

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the way he broke it down. Isn't that interesting?

• 1:16:47Speaker 03

  Very interesting.

• 1:16:48Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, because they'll come, they'll get to work. The one thing I listen, I've been working with them for a long time. You know, my experience has been phenomenal. They're workers, they're family and believe it or not, a lot of conservative values, the way they live by. Now, listen, is there entitlement? Is there the other side as well? Yeah. You know, is there the illegal side that's coming in? Of course, you got to protect your citizens. But that perspective of UK, I was just with them on Saturday, of what they get versus what, you know, Americans get, it's a very interesting thing.

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  It's different.

• 1:17:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this here. This lady, before before I play this clip to you, let me tell you what she's doing. Did you guys see this clip?

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  No, not at all.

• 1:17:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So she is saying that her family was killed by an illegal immigrant. She's standing ground against the anti ICE activists. She's fighting men and she's saying an illegal immigrant killed a family member of mine. Okay? Watch this clip. Go for it.

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• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  What's she doing? Why is no guy jumping in to help her? Oh, I love her. She's gay. Oh, my God!

• 1:18:59Speaker 03

  Oh, she's taking everybody off.

• 1:19:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you, I'm a gangster. Dude.

• 1:19:12Speaker 23

  Look at the kaffiyah. Why is it going to bring a papa style?

• 1:19:14Adam Sosnick?

  Notice all the kaffiyahs there. The Gaza people in the ice raves. It's LA. They're trying to be stylish.

• 1:19:21Speaker 10

  Yeah, she's a fricking gangster.

• 1:19:23Adam Sosnick?

  I think I see a Mexican flag kaffiyah.

• 1:19:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Whoever she is, that's tough. You can pause her right there. But this is the part where some people have experienced the darker side of what's going on with illegal immigration. Like, dude, what are you doing? They took me out. They took a family member out and you're seeing these types of stories. So, like, we hope this thing comes to an end, but these guys are not done. 1,500 cities. Guys, if you don't know the cities, Rob, can you put that Axios story? I'm gonna come to you, Michael. Put that Axios map. Actually, do me a favor.

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  All weekend.

• 1:19:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you just put that article down for everybody to see what city it is? So you can be ready this weekend for yourself. Just put it in the comments section. Go read this article. If you can do that, Rob. Put it in the comments section. Protect your family. Talk to your wife. Talk to your kids. Talk to your family. On what's going on and maybe the next couple of weeks as you're out, you know what I'm saying? If you believe in Second Amendment, this is a time for you to take advantage of Second Amendment that you have when you're going around, based on whatever laws you have in your state. But you gotta be ready. You gotta be. And by the way, I'm not, nothing changes about our life. I'm coming to work the same exact way.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm coming to work in the same exact car. Nothing changes with me. So we're not like caving and being scared about any of these things. But you do have to be prepared in case shit hits the fan. You gotta be ready for it. Go ahead, Michael.

• 1:20:40Speaker 03

  Think about that woman's experience. It just shows you that even when you say illegal alien or whatever the libs want to call it, you know, undocumented dreaming future American, whatever. It actually means a totally different thing to those two people. Because to the Kim Kardashians of the world who are whining and crying about the ice rays. It's disgusting. And to all of these very wealthy, very powerful libs. Illegal immigrant to them means the guy who mows the lawn. And the person who brings the food. And the person who picks the grapes or whatever. It's illegal immigrant to them means-

• 1:21:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying the guy that mows Kim Kardashian's lawn?

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  I'm not making a direct accusation, but that's what it means to them. That's a black guy. That wouldn't be a- Heyo! Sorry about that. That to them, illegal immigration is those nice slaves that we don't have to pay that much money to, that I don't ever have to even speak to because they don't talk my language. To people who don't have armies of cheap labor, to people who don't run big businesses. Illegal immigration is, hey, these guys crossed a border that is completely controlled by a foreign terrorist organization, at least one of which actually worships Satan, MS-13. And they come in and they bring fentanyl that kills 75,000 Americans a year, and they come in and maybe they raped a girl that I know, and maybe they murdered a friend that I know, and they screw up my neighborhood, and I can't let my kids out at night. It just means a totally different thing for these people. And Kim Kardashian and her

• 1:22:01Speaker 03

  ilk are in such a bubble, they have no common experience with ordinary Americans. But guess who elected Trump? This time, it wasn't Kim Kardashian, I'll tell you that. It was the ordinary Americans. It was that little lady on the street who's pushing back on those lunatics.

• 1:22:15Adam Sosnick?

  Pat brings up a really good point that I think we have to highlight, is a lot of the Mexicans, or a lot of people coming, immigrants, have contributed to society, do work.

• 1:22:24Speaker 03

  Sure, totally.

• 1:22:24Adam Sosnick?

  I understand that there's the welfare state in the UK, and obviously in California, but there's a big difference of people who just came in in caravans two years ago, three years ago, than people who've been here 10, 15, 20 years, or the children of illegal immigrants that came here 20 years ago.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  Well, they get to be citizens.

• 1:22:40Adam Sosnick?

  Now they're 14, now they're 16. But there's a very nuanced discussion here. And I think what gets lost here is, go after the gang members, not the gardeners. Okay? Go after the criminals, not the construction workers.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  But most of them are economic migrants.

• 1:22:52Adam Sosnick?

  But they all get kind of lumped in together, and that's where we need to have a little nuance here.

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  You actually have to go after the gardener, I'm sorry to say. I like the gardener. I'm sorry that Joe Biden opened the gates to them, and Democrats and some squish Republicans. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that they put them in that bad situation. But the, most of the people who are coming over are not face-tattooed Satan-worshipping criminals, though they work with them to get over here. Most of them are not refugees, very few of them are political refugees. Most of them are economic migrants. And so the question is, okay, if we're just gonna say, hey, the economic migrants get to stay and they get a path to citizenship and everyone else has to go, then you are effectively ramping up, not even just continuing, you're ramping up the incentive for that mass migration, and you're gonna get millions and millions more.

• 1:23:31Adam Sosnick?

  I agree with you.

• 1:23:32Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what's crazy? When you, Adam, when you come up with, like, let's just say we're about to change a compensation plan in a company. And I go to our 50 guys, okay? And I talk to all of them. And I know 60 of them have voted for this new comp plan, 40 of them have not. 60 want this new comp plan that's gonna pay a bigger bonus for people that are working, and lower the pay for the people that are retired, no longer wanting to talk to anybody, they don't want to do anything, we're just paying renewals over to them, right? Okay. The forty percent that are no longer working, they're not liking the new comp plan. And they're gonna bitch about it all day long. But if you became CEO, you're the new CEO of the company, based on this new comp plan that you just launched to the fifty people in the company, you with me?

• 1:24:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And sixty percent of them have agreed with you, and your number one issue you campaigned on was what?

• 1:24:25Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna, if you make me your CEO, I'm gonna change your comp plan. That's gonna benefit the people that are still working today, not the people that are no longer working, they're just kicking back. Okay, you become president. The people that are working versus non-working, who's gonna be louder? The non-workers or the workers? Who's gonna complain more? The non-workers are always gonna seem like there's more of them. But the workers are putting their head down getting to work, right? What do you have to do now? Imagine after you got elected as a CEO, now you say, "Well, these forty percenters are really changing my mind, I'm not gonna change your comp plan." The guy got elected. Number one thing that he campaigned on was what? Border, immigration. That's number one. So guess what? Whether I like it, whether you like it, whether you don't like it,

• 1:25:08Patrick Bet-David?

  if you voted for him and you're like, "Well, I'm voting for him for issue number four." Doesn't matter. He got elected for issue number one was immigration. You don't have to like it. He's gonna pursue his agenda, and you gotta respect it. One doesn't come without the other. That's how he got elected. So, you can come up with fifty different creative ideas. The people that voted him, they said, "Listen, I don't care what's going on. If you keep telling me America first, please be America first." Great, totally get it. Now, you know, some of the America first people will come and say, "Yeah, Pat, go back to Iran. Save your country, you know, go back to this, go back." And I understand the humor that comes with that, and some people actually believe that, it's not even humor. Some people really believe that some of the people should go back. And we experienced that when the whole H1B visa debate came up. Guess what? I understand them as well.

• 1:25:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually also understand them as well. I totally get their argument as well. And I had Thomas Russo on, and I'm trying to really understand why his argument is the way he is. I get his argument, don't agree with it, but I get his argument. I said, "The founding fathers built the country the way that kinda hurts your argument, because they allowed guys like me to come here." They shouldn't have put it that way. They should've said, "The only people that can come here is if they're in a certain category that I can't come, right?" However, I get his argument. I get his concern. To everybody that's complaining. That's what he campaigned on.

• 1:26:22Speaker 16

  Yeah.

• 1:26:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And whether you like it or not, guys, he's gonna do what he's going to do, and he has been given permission. How many people voted for this guy? What's the number?

• 1:26:30Speaker 16

  Almost eighty million.

• 1:26:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Eighty million people voted for this guy? And the number one issue was this, so. You know.

• 1:26:36Speaker 03

  And by the way, it wasn't just the mean old white people or whatever, it's forty-six percent of Hispanics.

• 1:26:40Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're right. That's the thing.

• 1:26:42Speaker 16

  That's crazy.

• 1:26:42Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right to think about that. All right, so let's go to the next story here, okay? Elon Musk, Trump, the love affair continues. Last week Elon tweets, hey Epstein, wait for it, it's gonna drop, all this stuff, Trump comes out, you know, he should call me, I'm not gonna call him. All this other stuff, then the tweets are deleted, and then we get this tweet here from Elon. That's June eleventh, saying I regret some of my posts about President Trump. Last week, they went too far, and then some other stories came up that I think, Rob, can you verify this? Did they have a call together? Apparently they may have had a call together yesterday. Uh, if I'm not mistaken.

• 1:27:15Speaker 16

  That was reported in the Wall Street Journal.

• 1:27:17Patrick Bet-David?

  It was reported in the Wall Street Journal, right? That they had a call together, so. Musk signaled a potential easing of tensions with President Trump by posting a heart emoji in response to Trump's statement, we had a great relationship. I wish him well, very well actually, made to reports. White House on Monday have followed a public feud that escalated last week over public disagreement. Musk's earlier criticism included labeling one big beautiful, uh, bill outrageous pork-filled. That's kinda how it started, and it got nastier and nastier and nastier. Is this a new clip, Rob, or is this a, a, uh?

• 1:27:47Speaker 16

  This is the post that apparently is Elon Musk apologizing, or starting to apologize by harding the message from President Trump.

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  I hadn't seen that yet.

• 1:27:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, can we see this?

• 1:27:57Speaker 16

  Uh, yeah, I have to, this is actually a screenshot, but I can pull you the clip, just give me one second.

• 1:28:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it, so where do you, how much you think this whole exchange, and Rob, if you can also prepare the, the Besson clip of when the congressman's asking him about the punch in the face? What do you think about the story? The back and forth, is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? Is it over? Is he ever gonna be able to come back from it? Is Trump always gonna sit there and say, whoa, you went from me being a great leader, president, great patriot, to I'm a pedophile?

• 1:28:23Speaker 16

  Yeah.

• 1:28:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you recover from that? Where are you at with this?

• 1:28:25Speaker 03

  You know, I, I knew that this relationship was gonna blow up at some point. In fact, I talked to a friend of mine who's more intelligent than I, if you can imagine. And he, he, I said, this is around the election, I said. Hey, what do you think about the Trump-Musk thing? He goes, "Well, look, it's obviously gonna blow up." He said, "I'd give it four months." And I said, "Okay." And I said, "January 20th, February, March, April, May." I said, "Man, you got it off by two weeks, but you were very close." These two boisterous billionaires, you know, both used to being in charge, getting their way on everything, and Musk, he could have a lot of influence at the White House, but he's not the president, right? So, obviously, he was gonna come to a head. I happened to be in DC, hanging around with some friends, in and out of the admin, you know, making my way around...

• 1:29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you gonna name-drop right now?

• 1:29:07Speaker 03

  I don't name-drop. Highly placed sources, I say.

• 1:29:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Please don't do that to us innocent people, but go ahead, yes.

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  So, I... But I'm hanging around DC, Thursday, Friday, as this is going down, and with people who are, to varying degrees, close to the thing and giving me the scoop. And that's why I was so shocked to hear this ridiculous theory. I don't know if you guys have seen it, I don't know if you have thoughts on this.

• 1:29:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one's this?

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  That it was all fake.

• 1:29:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  It was all a hoax, it was all fake, it was a distraction, it was 5D chess, they planned it all out together. No, do you guys believe... No.

• 1:29:38Speaker 10

  I said it when it happened as an option, but, I mean, obviously, it's not...

• 1:29:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, call me a pedophile!

• 1:29:43Speaker 03

  Wouldn't that be funny?

• 1:29:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Singer, gotcha! Do it. See you on Monday, bro.

• 1:29:49Speaker 03

  It actually, I mean...

• 1:29:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that Laura... Is that...

• 1:29:52Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 1:29:53Speaker 16

  That's Miranda Devine from the New York Post.

• 1:29:55Patrick Bet-David?

  So, no relation?

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:29:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the conversation here?

• 1:29:59Speaker 16

  This is where Miranda Devine asked Donald Trump, "Would you ever be able to forgive Elon Musk for the tweets? Is there any way to reconcile?"

• 1:30:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Nah, I just thought it was a...

• 1:30:07Speaker 23

  With Elon, is there anything that you can do to forgive him? Could you see that happening?

• 1:30:13Speaker 18

  Well, look, I have no hard feelings for you. I was really surprised that that happened. He went after a bill that's phenomenal, it's the best thing we've ever signed in this country, and that's phase one. Phase two, phase three, all of a sudden, you know, it all comes together. It's coming together so well. And when he did that, I was not a happy camper. So it's too bad. He said he had problems. What kind of problems? I mean, is it the drugs? I don't know what his problem is really. I don't know. I haven't thought too much about it in the last little while. He just didn't get that. I think he feels very badly that he said that, actually.

• 1:30:52Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, what a measured response. Are you kidding me? I freaking love that response.

• 1:31:00Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:31:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't you love it?

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  You know, the thing is, the media have been trying to pit those guys against each other the whole time. It hasn't worked. Then it finally blew up in a like, you're a pedophile kind of fashion. I mean, that's a, that's a big way to blow up. And then Elon came back and seems to have apologized and Trump was very measured. And I think usually in these fights, we just pick a side. Some, most people, if they had to pick a side, would probably side with Trump on this. I love Elon. Elon's a great man. Elon really helped out conservatives when he bought Axe. And he really helped us out when he donated to the Trump campaign, brought over some of the tech bros. So really what we want is for them to get along again. And it seems like that's what's happening. And I know this is an even more controversial point, but on the merits, I actually think the bill is pretty good. I know you're not allowed to say that because it spends a lot of money. I actually think the big beautiful bill is pretty good.

• 1:31:45Speaker 03

  It's much better actually than, than anything.

• 1:31:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you, let's see if you're going to be straight up with this, Mr. Knows It All, okay? Knows It All. Born on March 18th. I'm trying to see your profile, okay? So this is. Wow, he's got a birthday.

• 1:31:58Speaker 03

  That's my Pisces.

• 1:31:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's exactly. Well, the lady that I, you know, promoted to become the president of insurance company, she's a Pisces, March 16th. And it's actually, it's very good people to do business with. Were you a DeSantis guy a year and a half ago or Trump?

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  I was a Trump guy.

• 1:32:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You were.

• 1:32:13Speaker 03

  Now, I didn't, I don't publicly endorse generally in Republican primaries, but I, I was a Trump guy. It's no knock on DeSantis. I really like DeSantis.

• 1:32:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  I thought, I thought it was a fait accompli. I thought Trump had the election, the, the primary locked up before it ever began. So it's really no, I think DeSantis is great. I don't want this to be misconstrued, but I just felt Trump was the best president of my lifetime. He did a very good job. He formed a coalition that no Republican in my lifetime had formed. And I felt, I felt he was robbed in 2020 and I felt he, he needed a second act. And I thought. Regardless, he was gonna get a second act. So, so I, I never really had any doubt about the Trump train.

• 1:32:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so Rob, do we have the Wall Street Journal story that says Musk retreats on Trump attacks after call from JD Vance, Susie Wells. Vice President JD Vance and White House staff Susie Wells urged tech billionaire Elon Musk to mend his public feud with President Trump during a call last Friday. With Musk de-escalating on Friday by posting on X, "I regret some of the stuff that I said", which is what we just read. Vance described as "both an attack dog and a problem solver", refrained from criticizing Musk to facilitate peacekeeping. Per people familiar with the matter, the feud erupted on June 5th after Musk, a former close Trump adviser, criticized Trump's tax bill. And we know the rest. Is there a video on this? Because it's yellow here, Rob. Do you have a video on this one here?

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  I believe the video that I have for this was the one we just played. It was the Miranda Divine clip.

• 1:33:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So, when you, when you read a story like this, Susie Wells and JD, are you under the impression that Susie Wells and Musk have a good relationship? Because there's another story that came out that says the Ice, what do you call it? The amazing, the Ice Lady, or whatever it's called, right? Where, you know, the conflict started with her kind of trying to protect the president because that was one of the criterias where she said, "I will work for you, but you can't let her have an open door policy allowing anybody coming to the White House like you did in 2016. We gotta protect a little bit more." What, what do you think? Your impression is of the role that Susie Wells played or JD played in calming Elon Musk down?

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  Oh, you're asking me? I thought, I'm sorry, I thought you were asking over here. I think, well, what? It was, it was reported that it was Susie and JD.

• 1:34:26Patrick Bet-David?

  It was.

• 1:34:27Speaker 03

  So, I assume, now, look, I'm sure there were other people having conversations about this. But I would not be surprised. Really, I would not be surprised if it was more J.D. Vance, because J.D. Vance has this that no one calls him the Iceman. You know, he doesn't really have this polarizing personality. But it might well have been Susie Wiles. I mean, she's a very effective chief of staff. Trump has given her a lot of plaudits. She's held that job from the campaign very, very strongly. But beyond J.D. Vance and Susie Wiles, I think it was probably the public opinion surveys that started to because there were surveys that were taken right after this went down, and very few people took Musk's side over Trump. There were a lot of people in the middle who didn't have any opinion or who didn't want

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  them to be fighting or whatever, but I just don't think the battle played very well for Musk. And I think he's a very intelligent person. I think he kind of realized that. And in some ways, the fight, inasmuch as it was ideological over the battle, it was kind of the expression of a guy who's worked on his first political campaign. I remember my first political campaign. I wasn't donating $200 million to it, but I remember when I was on, I said, "Hold on, wait. Why are we compromising on this issue? Wait, why are we making a deal with this guy? Wait, hold on." And if Musk's critique of the big, beautiful bill is that it didn't start to pay down the national debt, I just thought, "Hold on. The last time we balanced the budget, period, was 24 years ago, and it was only after the

• 1:35:55Speaker 03

  dot-com bubble because we had the post-Cold War excess." So we just don't do that. The Tea Party failed to do it. The Bush era failed to do it. We don't do that. And you don't go from having zillion-dollar deficits to no deficit or to start paying down the debt overnight. That's just, that's not how Washington works. And in fairness to Musk, this is his first time really being involved on the ground in government. So I actually wonder if this was not just a kind of credicure misunderstanding, and he realized, "Oh, shoot, I just, I calculated this wrong." I think.

• 1:36:27Patrick Bet-David?

  That's pretty extreme though, what he did.

• 1:36:28Speaker 16

  It was extreme.

• 1:36:29Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a little extreme on what he did. And I want to, I want to show a couple of clips here, but before I come to you, can you play this Trump clip? Rob, which one is the one that you wanted to play? This or the other one?

• 1:36:38Speaker 16

  So I have Donald Trump. This is where President Trump talks about the fight that allegedly happened between Scott Besen and Elon Musk and whether or not he witnessed that.

• 1:36:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

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• 1:37:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Can't hear it, Rob.

• 1:37:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Still can't hear.

• 1:37:56Speaker 27

  Physical with the Treasury Secretary. Ever see Elon Musk get physical with the Treasury Secretary?

• 1:38:04Speaker 18

  No, I didn't.

• 1:38:05Speaker 27

  And I tried to have.

• 1:38:07Speaker 18

  I did have an argument.

• 1:38:10Speaker 18

  I didn't say that. I didn't say that.

• 1:38:12Speaker 03

  A physical argument.

• 1:38:13Speaker 27

  There's a Times report that he did not want to talk about Elon Musk, that alleged that he, towards the end of his time in the White House, was blurring the lines between recreational use of drugs and medicinal. Do you think he ever had drugs here at the White House?

• 1:38:29Speaker 18

  I really don't know. I don't think so. I hope not. Look, I wish him well. You understand. We had a good relationship and I just wish him well. Very well, actually.

• 1:38:39Speaker 03

  Okay. I don't know. I don't know. I hope not. I hope not.

• 1:38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  We've got a great answer.

• 1:38:44Adam Sosnick?

  Couple of things here. Let's start with Trump. Have you ever seen a more measured respectable response from Donald Trump with this fight with Elon?

• 1:38:52Patrick Bet-David?

  It's great.

• 1:38:52Adam Sosnick?

  Because any other Trump response would have been, "You're fat, you're gay, you're a druggie, you're stupid."

• 1:38:57Patrick Bet-David?

  2016, for sure.

• 1:38:57Adam Sosnick?

  With Elon, it's, "I wish him the best."

• 1:38:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:00Adam Sosnick?

  "I'm praying for him. I hope he's doing great." I think you asked a very good question. What role did JD Vance and...

• 1:39:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Suzy Wiles.

• 1:39:07Adam Sosnick?

  Suzy Wiles play in convincing Elon to say that? I don't even know if they had any... I don't know what they did, but I'm pretty sure they said, "Don't go in on him, Trump. Be measured. Take the higher road." Because in my opinion, you're right. Elon looked at what he did and goes, "Damn, I messed up."

• 1:39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:25Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, you know he messed up because when he deleted the tweets.

• 1:39:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:28Adam Sosnick?

  When you start deleting tweets, as if you can delete a tweet, but you're not going to delete someone's memory like it's Men in Black and Will Smith, "Hey, look here, boom, we all know what you said, dude."

• 1:39:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, you know, this is...

• 1:39:37Adam Sosnick?

  "We all know what you did. Hold on one sec."

• 1:39:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:39Adam Sosnick?

  So I think he messed up and I think he realized, "Oh, my God, I'm a man without a home because I see what's going on here in LA. I'm not going to go become a Democrat." The whole narrative over the weekend was, "Is Elon going to start funding the Democrats? Zero percent chance of that."

• 1:39:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:39:52Adam Sosnick?

  So I think Monday came around, he goes, "What the hell did I do?" And Rob, you'll appreciate this one. There's a very famous Seinfeld episode where George rage quits on a Friday, George Costanza, and he goes and tells Jerry and he goes, "Yeah, I quit. I got the hell out of here." And he goes, "What are you going to do now?" He goes, "I didn't think that far ahead." He goes, "Just go back in on Monday and pretend like it never happened." And he goes, "Never happened? Never happened." He goes, "You're an emotional guy. Nobody takes you seriously. Just go back in on Monday. Pretend like it never happened." So George woes back in on Monday. Everyone's looking around like, "What the hell are you doing here?" He sits down at the table. Everyone's looking at the boss goes, "What the hell

• 1:40:36Adam Sosnick?

  are you doing here? Get the hell out. You're fired. Again." So that's what happened to Elon, is that he came to his senses and he's like, "Why am I going to war with Trump?"

• 1:40:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:45Adam Sosnick?

  "I need Trump."

• 1:40:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:47Adam Sosnick?

  And that's where I think he's at.

• 1:40:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, yeah, but, yeah, okay. Is this besseant and the question that's being asked? Go for it, Rob.

• 1:40:58Speaker 27

  So far, so good.

• 1:40:59Speaker 28

  Okay, I was just curious, because I know Elon Musk body checked you at the White House. I just know I know Massey to Elon Musk, right?

• 1:41:06Speaker 27

  You know that?

• 1:41:07Speaker 28

  That's what I heard.

• 1:41:08Speaker 27

  So you believe, you believe what you read on Breitbart is what you're telling this congressman?

• 1:41:12Speaker 28

  I didn't know, if it's too sensitive for you, I won't ask that question, but let me move on.

• 1:41:18Speaker 27

  I will take South Carolina over South Africa any day.

• 1:41:21Speaker 28

  Mr. Secretary.

• 1:41:24Adam Sosnick?

  Shots fired.

• 1:41:26Patrick Bet-David?

  He just say, I will take South Carolina over South Africa.

• 1:41:31Speaker 10

  What does that mean if you're making a bet?

• 1:41:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he from South Carolina?

• 1:41:33Speaker 10

  He's from South Carolina, and he's like saying, who you want to?

• 1:41:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, then, then let me tell you. Then what Trump said and what Besen said, something happened. Then there's no question. It's done, because I like that Trump said, something did happen, and Besen just said, he will take some. I mean.

• 1:41:52Speaker 03

  He didn't say it didn't happen, as we hear.

• 1:41:55Patrick Bet-David?

  He didn't say.

• 1:41:55Speaker 10

  But does that make you happy to, like, we talked about this on Tuesday, like, like, Michael, this is, like, I love that. It's like alphas in the room, fighting for what's the, what's the best of the country, and guess what? That's what guys do. They punch each other in the face.

• 1:42:08Speaker 03

  This was, this was my point.

• 1:42:10Adam Sosnick?

  Guys do, bro, we watch football, we drink beer. We punch each other in the face. We run the deficits, what we do.

• 1:42:16Speaker 03

  Chest bump the Treasury Secretary. That's what we do, man.

• 1:42:18Adam Sosnick?

  How you like that?

• 1:42:20Speaker 03

  This to me, is why I brought up the, the whole hoax, you know, it was all a farce, whatever thing. Is because people, I remember, when I was barely involved in politics, I did not take conspiracy theories very seriously. And then, when I got a little bit involved in politics, I thought everything, I thought everything was a grand conspiracy, right? And then I got really involved in politics, where I knew a lot of the key players, and I was seeing things happen firsthand. And, and I started to realize, I kind of went back to the first one. And I started to realize, no, man, sometimes things just happen, because the, even these people are not omnipotent. And sometimes they have bad days, and sometimes they've been stressed, and they haven't slept for a week, and sometimes they, they body check the Treasury Secretary. And sometimes the bros just call each other pedophiles, and then they got to make up on Twitter, you know? And, and it happens, and there's going to be fallout.

• 1:43:04Speaker 03

  I, I would be surprised if Trump. Brings Elon totally back into the fold after this.

• 1:43:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you this question.

• 1:43:12Speaker 03

  You know, to your point, he probably went a little bit too far, but they're gonna kiss and play nice. I mean, Elon's a big figure in Republican politics as of the last six months.

• 1:43:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you this. With Trump, that he's, his level of trust pre the tweet of Epstein to now, what is his level of trust on Elon's temperament?

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:34Patrick Bet-David?

  From a week and a half ago to today, what do you think it is?

• 1:43:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it would be very difficult. If you were a guy as circumspect and prudent and you keep it real tight like Trump does, it would be hard to unsee the tweet, I think. It would be probably imprudent to unsee.

• 1:43:49Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you say? He went from, Tom, what would you say? From where he was at two weeks ago, what percentage he had trust? Let's just say he trusted Trump, you know, Musk, whatever. It's not 100%.

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  92%. I don't know.

• 1:43:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But what do you think it is? Where did he go from and where is it at today?

• 1:44:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't think it's zero because Trump has worked with a lot of people that he understands that there are two arenas, the arena privately and the arena publicly.

• 1:44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that, Tom. What I'm asking you is, what do you think it was two weeks ago? What do you think it's at today?

• 1:44:14Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm trying to tell you in less words than Adam would use. I think it's probably 10%. I think it's down at 10%.

• 1:44:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Where was it two weeks ago?

• 1:44:21Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't think it's zero.

• 1:44:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Where was it two weeks ago?

• 1:44:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Two weeks ago it was probably 85%, 80%.

• 1:44:24Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a big drop, Tom.

• 1:44:25Speaker 10

  That's huge.

• 1:44:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying it, Vinny, where are you at? From 85 to 10?

• 1:44:29Speaker 10

  I would say, honestly, he trusted him 70 when it started because Trump doesn't trust it. He's even said it. I don't trust anybody. He doesn't trust the ABC reporter that goes 5%. He doesn't trust anybody. So I would go 70%. He trusted him because of what the investment that he did to make him win. I'd say he's about 25 right now. He could still use him, but he's not gonna friggin', guess what? You're not gonna see him with friggin' X bouncing around in his friggin' head in the White House anytime soon. And then he got punched by Scott Besson, who's, I didn't know this till yesterday. He's a gay guy. You know what the hell that does to your ego? You got clocked by a gay dude?

• 1:45:01Speaker 03

  But he's like one of the straightest gay guys you've ever seen.

• 1:45:04Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah. There's gays and then there's, I respect these guys. Like, yeah, I'm gay, I'm gay. Then, yes! Like, that person is a whole different.

• 1:45:13Tom Ellsworth?

  But to Pat's question, to Pat's question specifically, you take a look at it this way. He didn't get angry and yell at the boss and walk out of a meeting. He said, "I think this bill is a disaster." That is a statement about a big project everybody's working on that is not helpful at all.

• 1:45:30Speaker 03

  An essential project, by the way.

• 1:45:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And then he comes back and goes, "Surprise, you're in the Epstein file." You know, you know, and then whatever he said there, so there you go, DJT. That just now-

• 1:45:43Adam Sosnick?

  You have three and a half years, I have 40 years.

• 1:45:45Tom Ellsworth?

  That goes very personal. So for me, Pat, that suddenly goes personal. That's a second shot. And then it's like, ah, and then the other little things in there, it's like, so maybe I'll recalibrate it, it's trust him 75%. But remember, he was defending him and he kept him in the chair. Everybody's in agreement on that. Trump kept him in the chair when others, as recently as 38 days ago, were trying to push it out. And then you get personal, so I think it, okay, take it 75 to 10, but I think it's a big drop.

• 1:46:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so maybe here's a different quote. Who are you gonna give your score?

• 1:46:18Adam Sosnick?

  I love how Tom took 10 minutes to just say a number, but he called me out. I think he went from 69% down to somewhere between 6 and 9%. That's an Elon Musk number.

• 1:46:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So then, so then here's the next question. Here's the next question. The next question is, in a, in a setting like this with where he's at right now,

• 1:46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  go a year ago, he needed Elon. June, like last year, when we were in Hamptons and all of a sudden he got shot, I'm like, what did you just say? He needed him, in a big way, okay? How bad does he need him today compared to how much he needed him a year ago? That's a, that's a complete different score. I'll come to you first.

• 1:46:59Speaker 03

  He needs to make sure that he's not an enemy.

• 1:47:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 1:47:02Speaker 03

  He needs to make sure of that, because that $200 million can go the other direction too. And X, I mean, X is the one, it's the smallest of the big ones, but it's still a big tech platform that it's the one that's favorable to us. That's the only one that's favorable to us. So he can't make an enemy out of him. He doesn't need him. I mean, he got the job. He got the job and he, on the big beautiful bill point, and I think this is really what got under Trump's skin, they've been working on this for a long time, this will be the signature legislative achievement of this year, and it's pass fail. I talked to Scott Besson about this a month and a half or two months ago. It's pass fail. If the bill fails, then you have the largest tax increase in American history, and the economy is going to falter because of that, and Trump's agenda is going to be really, really impeded. So they have to get something like this through, not to mention the immigration funding, not

• 1:47:46Speaker 03

  to mention the military funding, not to mention so on and so forth. So it has to happen. And for your biggest advisor, or one of your biggest advisors, to come out and say, "I hate the thing that you have to get done," man, you know, that's, that's going to throw a wrench, even if you don't call me a pedophile.

• 1:48:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Not helpful.

• 1:48:03Speaker 03

  Not helpful at all. So, so, look, he doesn't, he doesn't need the Doge anymore, he doesn't need, he doesn't want the advice anymore, it seems. He just needs to make sure that that platform and those 200 million don't go in the other direction. And I think he's, I think he's doing a good job of maintaining it.

• 1:48:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so, you know, in the past, when, when you go to a very big person that you need to help you become a president, Nixon went to Billy Graham. Billy Graham writes about this in his book. And Billy Graham got his back. And then, after he got in, there was a lot of conflicts back and forth. Billy Graham said, "I will never endorse a president ever again." And it was nasty, okay? All right. So, John F. Kennedy, they needed the mob. The mob with Chicago, Dewey, the 7, 8,000 votes, the dead, whatever, and then eventually later on after they win, they're like, "Well, we never needed Chicago in the first place anyways."

• 1:49:00Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:49:00Patrick Bet-David?

  "We're going to win without you." Were there some promises made to them, you know, where that came back afterwards? And then they're like, "What, what happened? You told us you're going to do this, and now you're coming after us? We're going to take you out. You're done." Who knows? Hey, Billy Graham, who has baptized 250 million people in his lifetime, this guy went and spoke in Korea, 1 and 1/2 million people showed up to hear him speak, that's going to be translated by somebody else. Billy Graham's level of influence was you needed his endorsement. This is a guy that would go on Leno, this is a guy that would go on Johnny Carson, this is a guy, he would go on Johnny Carson regularly, I don't know if he went on Leno, but he went on Johnny Carson. It's phenomenal when you watch it. You needed his endorsement, right? Today, that guy's Musk.

• 1:49:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Did the president make some promises to Musk if he helps him win? Great point. And then not keep him?

• 1:49:50Speaker 03

  What would the promise have been? You know, the big sticking point on the bill was the EV credit. But, yeah, I remember, going back months now, Trump said, "I'm gonna get rid of the EV credit." And Musk even came out and said, "I'm okay with that." Now, maybe, maybe he wasn't okay with that. But, but my question then for Musk, and maybe this just gets to his political innocence. If the EV credit really were the thing that mattered so much to him, why didn't he bring it to the president? Why didn't he bring it to Susie Wiles? Why didn't he bring it to, why didn't he?

• 1:50:15Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you know he didn't though?

• 1:50:17Speaker 03

  It is my impression that he did. Now, maybe, maybe he did, but it is, it is my distinct impression that he did not, and I think, and I think a lot of this would not have happened had he brought it to him and gotten a clear answer either way. I could be wrong about that, I don't know, I don't work in the White House, but it is my distinct impression that it didn't come up.

• 1:50:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So, just so you know, in this case, I am on Trump's side, because I think Trump is 100% America First. Elon's got businesses that's international, and his leanings could be in a different place.

• 1:50:45Speaker 03

  He's more libertarian, he's more pro free trade.

• 1:50:48Patrick Bet-David?

  And, to be quite honest with you, what he's building, that, you know what's a good thing when you fight a girlfriend? Or you fight a friend, and, let's just say, people are drunk, and you have two minutes. In two minutes, you gather all the intel you needed. All you needed.

• 1:51:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's like, pam pam pam pam pam. Oh.

• 1:51:12Speaker 10

  Thanks, I'm not.

• 1:51:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it.

• 1:51:15Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, wanna go to dinner? Let's hear.

• 1:51:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:51:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And I think, just in that two-hour exchange on X, I gathered so much intel from Elon, just for myself long-term. Not even for Trump, for my sake. My kids, long-term planning, vision, all of that stuff. I gathered a lot of intel. But, the, the part where I will side with Elon is the following. You know, in, in anything you do with business, with sales, with parenting, with marriage, with any of that, if you overpromise and underdeliver, you, you just created an enemy. So in this case, if he promised Musk something and he didn't deliver, Musk gonna sit there and say, dude, I took a break for all my companies and I went and lived in Pennsylvania.

• 1:52:07Speaker 03

  I tanked my companies.

• 1:52:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly. For you to help you win and you don't want to help me out with these two things? Because now Suzy Wiles says, look, we're in here, we gotta move on and all the people in your ears? That, that could, this is gonna sound weird. That could cause a certain level of rage and anger in Elon that may not affect Trump, but it may affect people that come after Trump. That could be an issue that we have to deal with for decades to come.

• 1:52:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:52:34Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the only.

• 1:52:34Speaker 03

  And in fairness to Elon, by the way, people are talking about the one sticking issue as the EV credits. And maybe, maybe that's it. That's a real personal kind of issue. But in fairness to Elon, I, I think maybe even the more likely option is he went in there and he thought it was gonna be really freaking cool to take a chainsaw to the federal government. And cause he's super libertarian and he's a tech bro and he's whatever.

• 1:52:55Patrick Bet-David?

  He saw Javier Millay do the Alphera thing.

• 1:52:57Speaker 03

  The Javier Millay chainsaw, I got it. I was there. I was there when, when, you know, he was, he got his chainsaw. Millay gave him a big chrome chainsaw. Right. And, and I think that he saw he made all these cuts and he was, he was promising a lot with Doge. And then he comes out, sees this big, beautiful bill and realizes that the federal deficit in one year is gonna wipe out any cuts he's ever possibly gonna make. And it, his, his reaction might have been ideological and in a personal way, which is saying, hold on, all I've done is for naught. I don't actually think all he did was for naught. But it, it could have been, it might not have been just like, hey, why didn't you help my companies? It might have been a more principled ideological stance. But, but again, one where you think like, I guess to your point, maybe you gotta manage expectations going in, but what? You thought we were gonna balance the budget?

• 1:53:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I get that, bro, but you, you, you, okay. So let's say in your mind, you make 200 promises to 200 different people before you run for office. Okay?

• 1:53:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And.

• 1:53:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You're such a player that you know you don't have to keep 140 of them.

• 1:54:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're still gonna keep them. Let's just say, like, ah, it's okay. They're not gonna do anything. I know too much on these guys and they're not gonna do shit. Let's just say you're like at that level.

• 1:54:15Patrick Bet-David?

  There's gonna be 10, 20 names.

• 1:54:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You made a promise, you better freaking deliver. And on that 10, 20, there usually is a one name that you better deliver.

• 1:54:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. And that name is Elon.

• 1:54:29Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point. So that's where I'm going with this where, again, I don't know, I'm not on the inside. I don't get a phone call, you know, that say, hey, what do you think about this? I'm just, you know, talking, spitballing here. But let's go to the next story. Let's go to the next story here. Next story I want to go to is NATO. Tom, I'm coming to you with this one here and then Michael, I'm gonna come to you next. Russia could strike NATO by 2030 Alliance called to boost air defense 5X. Okay? So I'll read these three, Tom, and then I'm just gonna tee you up and then you take it from there. Okay?

• 1:54:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So NATO Secretary General Mark Root warned at the Chatham House in London on Monday that Russia's defense production outpaces NATO stating, "In terms of ammunition Russia produces in three months, what the whole NATO produces in a year, and its defense industrial base is expected to roll out 1,500 tanks, 3,000 armored vehicles and 200 Iskander missiles this year alone." He cautioned Russia could be ready to use military force against NATO in five years, urging a five-fold increase in air defense systems. He highlighted NATO's industrial lag, noting, "Take Patriot, the most important air defense system we have, the most advanced.

• 1:55:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You will get it in 10 years if you order it today," and called for a 400% increase in air and missile defense, saying, "We need five times as many systems to defend ourselves against missiles." He proposed NATO members raise combined defense spending to 5% of GDP, including 3.5% on core, traditional military costs and 1.5% on security-related investments.

• 1:56:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Including infrastructure and building industrial capacity. Tom, I'll just pause there, okay? On this story, then I'll go to the one with NATO seeking to include Ukraine funds. But your thoughts on this? Is he just selling? Because this sounds like a salesperson. Impose a bunch of fear, scare the crap out of them, place a massive order of equipment and supplies and military weapons that we need.

• 1:56:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, basically, Mark Carney is a problem. That's where Canada is a problem. And I could give you a different headline. Woman tries to figure out how to pay dinner check when boyfriend fails to return from bathroom. That's really what Mark Carney's got here. And Trump is the boyfriend that says, you have to pay for your own dinner. And that's what happened. So basically, Canada is announcing, hey, we're going to increase our spending to 5%. Why 5%? Because 5% is what they all, they all looked around the table and said, if dad doesn't pay for dinner, you know, it really is going to take all of us taking about 5% of GDP. So that's what happened. And they're trying to get all the NATO alliance together. And I take you back to Zelensky has the incident in the Oval Office with Vance and Trump,

• 1:57:04Tom Ellsworth?

  and then goes straight to the UK and to France, who says, don't worry, we'll back you up. But their, remember, their money was half loan, half gift. So you got to pay it back. And how are you going to pay it back? Uh, how about some rare earth minerals? And so NATO is forced to pay its own way right now. And even as they support Ukraine, they're scared to death of Russia and they're realizing, you know, we really need real defense here. And now Trump has said, I'm not paying for all dinner, you got to pay for some of it yourself. So that is the first thing, is that Trump has reset who pays for what with NATO, Pat? That is point one. And you're seeing all these, and yes, hey, we got to raise this up and we got to buy some of the stuff on our own. That's number one.

• 1:57:46Tom Ellsworth?

  And number two is, they're trying to loop in the support of Ukraine, and they know if they do that, that's going to rev up Russia even more, who said, I told you, part of me starting this was, I was really irritated because you wanted Ukraine to go into NATO. And so now they realize that they need defenses to kind of balance the books here. That's what's going on.

• 1:58:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Michael, your thoughts?

• 1:58:11Speaker 03

  Look, there is a realpolitik issue with Russia. I hate to give the neocons any credit at all, but there is a realpolitik. We think about politics only in the perspective of domestic ideologies. And in that way Putin is kind of based, because he builds cathedrals and is anti-globalist. And so, I get it. However, they do have a lot of missiles pointed at us. And so, from the perspective of the United States, Trump has taken a more diplomatic approach with Putin, which I think is a good idea. But if you're Europe, I get why you're freaking out. I understand. And also, to your point, I get why you're worried if, all of a sudden, your free military defense that you've had for 70 years is suddenly looking like you might have to chip in a

• 1:58:55Speaker 03

  little bit for it. But again, this all comes down to the huge, huge mismanagement of the Ukraine issue. Because in our, as we're all, knock the neocons, for them, it's so black and white, and everything is either, you know, you're Neville Chamberlain a piece, or you're gonna bomb the entire world. There is a role for buffer states. You remember buffer states? I mean, getting to what you alluded to about Ukraine being included in the NATO funding, I thought Ukraine wasn't in NATO. Buffer states are a good thing. And I get it. I was just in Hungary, at CPAC Hungary, and the Hungarians have a very balanced view, because they actually take seriously what Russia's thinking. And if I'm Vladimir Putin, and I see NATO beginning to encroach a little bit more, and

• 1:59:39Speaker 03

  the European Union encroaching a little bit more into Ukraine, I might view that as an unacceptable security risk. And maybe that gives me the excuse to go in and do something that I've been planning to do for 20 years, because I think that the fall of the Soviet Union was the worst event of the 20th century. It could be all of those things combined. But it just seemed like we bumbled it. And so, when people call to stop just giving a blank check to NATO, when people call to make Europe start paying for some of its own defense, in part, that is deserved, because NATO has screwed up a lot. You know, NATO has, if you want to say you're just a defensive alliance, then don't... Don't lead aggressive wars of regime change that create perverse incentives around the world. You know, in part, it's like what the Dr. Fauci thing. Why don't we trust the healthcare people anymore? Because they screwed up, man.

• 2:00:23Speaker 03

  And so you can't blame ordinary people for taking a rational response and saying, hey, I'm not going to give you a blank check of my of my belief or my money.

• 2:00:31Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I mean, that's a good. And by the way, this leads to Adam, I'm going to come to you right after this. NATO seeks to include Ukraine funds in a new spending target. Allies are set to allow contributions to Ukraine defense to count towards a new 5% GDP defense spending budget. What a fricking ridiculous. You understand what they're saying? Yeah. You get what they're saying like, hey, if you contribute to your budget percentage, but if you're giving it to help out Ukraine, that counts towards your budget. What does that even mean? With a preliminary draft of the summit declaration stating that they will allocate at least 3 and 1/2% of economic output to core defense requirements by 2032, plus a additional 1 and 1/2% to protect infrastructure, defense networks, and ensure civil preparedness. The declaration to be finalized at the summit in Hague also proposes eliminating defense trade barriers.

• 2:01:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Per Bloomberg, one-page draft, a shift from last year's 5,000-word statement omits Ukraine's NATO membership prospects and last year's $40 billion Kiev pledge focused solely on defense spending to avoid public disputes with President Trump, who has pushed for a 5% target as NATO Secretary General Mark Root aims to deliver a win for Trump by ensuring US engagement, according to people familiar with the matter. Adam, your thoughts?

• 2:01:41Adam Sosnick?

  So this 5% number is not a small number because right now the number is 2%.

• 2:01:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 2:01:47Adam Sosnick?

  And most countries aren't even paying 2%. So now Trump's saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, 5%? There's only one country, I think, in all of Europe that's paying 4%, which is Poland. And because they're quote unquote next. Here's my whole point, whether it's NATO or any of these issues. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm saying this loudly and proudly. Because in 2016, I would have never said this. Trump was right. About everything. Make NATO pay. We're like, oh my God, he's upsetting our allies. Yeah, because they haven't paid anything. Start paying up. Build the wall. Walls are racist. Why would you say that? Turns out we need a damn wall here in America here, buddy. China, the tariffs, they're ripping us off. Why would you do that? That's racist. No, no, no, no. Apparently now they're finalizing this deal in China.

• 2:02:32Adam Sosnick?

  The woke radical laughter psychopaths.

• 2:02:35Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 2:02:36Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, he was right. So all these things that, at the end of the day, 2016, there was people that caught on early. Respect to you. I get it. But most of us weren't ready. Stop it, Vinny. You didn't.

• 2:02:46Speaker 10

  I was there.

• 2:02:47Adam Sosnick?

  You weren't there.

• 2:02:47Speaker 10

  Yes, I was. 2016, yes, I was.

• 2:02:49Adam Sosnick?

  Most Americans weren't necessarily ready for that because it was such a drastic change. If you're watching any of the media from Obama to Trump, but looking back at it, everything that he said in 2016. The Mexicans are coming. Some of them are okay, but they're rapists and other. It's all been true. So NATO is just one component of all the truth telling that he was saying. So I gotta give respect to Trump.

• 2:03:13Speaker 10

  I was there the entire time. You find one clip of me saying anything wrong, I'll give you a thousand dollars.

• 2:03:20Adam Sosnick?

  There was no clips of you in 2016.

• 2:03:21Speaker 10

  Yes, there was.

• 2:03:22Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 2:03:22Speaker 10

  That's why I left Los Angeles because I was fucking shit. No, I was fucking shit on stage. And guess what? When comedy club owners, comedy club owners are like, hey, uh, you can't talk positive about Trump. That's the truth. I've always been that guy. You're just coming around. I've always been that guy since day one.

• 2:03:36Adam Sosnick?

  Show me one clip.

• 2:03:37Speaker 10

  Fact check. Fact check live.

• 2:03:39Adam Sosnick?

  He doesn't have one clip.

• 2:03:40Speaker 10

  What do you mean? Of my, of my stand up at the Laugh Factory? I'll show you.

• 2:03:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, either step up to Besant and Musk's level.

• 2:03:48Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 2:03:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Serious.

• 2:03:49Speaker 10

  I don't want to hear a thousand dollars. Adam, if you play the gay guy, I'm gonna play the straight guy.

• 2:03:54Adam Sosnick?

  Adam, somebody get some power.

• 2:03:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not doing it. All right, let's continue. So Donald Trump says US-China deal done. As two sides restore trade war truce. What does that mean? President Trump announced on Truth Social on Wednesday that US-China trade deal is done. Rob, if you got it, I wouldn't mind just reading the whole thing if you got the tweet. Done stating, our deal with China is done. Subject to final approval with President Xi and me receiving a Geneva.

• 2:04:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Truth that includes China supplying rare earths upfront. Treasury sector is Scott Best and testified if China will course correct by upholding its end of the initial trade agreement we outlined in Geneva last month, then a big up, big, beautiful rebalancing of the world's two largest economies as possible. The agreement reached after two days of talks in London. Lancaster House addresses tensions over Chinese rare earth exports and US chip export controls with China's vice minister of commerce, Li Changgang. Great name, describing the talks as rational, in-depth and candid, expressing hope that progress will be conducive to strengthen and trust between China and US.

• 2:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Both nations agreed in Geneva last month to slash tariffs by 115%. 115 points, providing a 90-day window to resolve the trade war. Is this it? Our deal is done. So full magnets and any necessary rare earths will be supplied upfront by China. Likewise, we will provide China what we agreed to, including China students using our colleges and universities, which has always been good with me. Interesting. We are getting a total of 55% tariffs. China is getting 10%. Relationship is excellent. Thank you for your attention to this.

• 2:05:36Speaker 03

  I love that. Matter. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

• 2:05:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Your thoughts on this?

• 2:05:40Speaker 03

  I feel vindicated, actually, because with Trump and the tariffs, there were three things he could have been after. He could have been after getting a better trade deal. He could have been after reshoring American jobs. He could have been after getting the revs from the tariffs. But he couldn't have been after all three at once because that you can't, if you negotiate and get a better deal, you're not going to get the jobs, you're not going to get the revenue. If you get the jobs, you're not going to get the revenue because you're going to have the things made and bought in America. So the question was always, which one of those three is he after? And there are people in his administration who don't want better trade deals with China, who don't want, they want to, well, I think Peter Navarro would be open about this. I think Peter Navarro is the openly pro tariff, let's reshore American jobs guy, and I think there are other people.

• 2:06:23Speaker 03

  So, but there are others who were like Elon, very pro free trade. We don't want tariffs. We don't want, you know, and so what was it going to be? And I thought the whole time, Trump has the mainstream view. And the mainstream view, not the hyper ideological view, the mainstream view is, no, we just, we're getting ripped off. We want a better deal. And so then, when it comes down to kicking the Chinese students out of the colleges or whatever, you know, Trump was making, it's so funny. He says now, oh, it was always fine with me. The administration was saying, these guys are spies. They're sneaking bio hazards into America, you know? And then you had all the chattering class reacting saying, that's right. We need to kick every Chinese guy out of the country. This is insane. We need to, but with Trump, it's always a negotiation. It's never, you know, this is his great strength.

• 2:07:06Speaker 03

  It's how he builds a coalition of people who disagree with each other on a ton of things is he's just always kind of working. He's always, he's weaving. What did he say on Joe Rogan? Yeah, that's the word. He's always weaving. Michael Knowles, it's called the weave. Yeah.

• 2:07:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. Adam, thoughts?

• 2:07:21Adam Sosnick?

  Show me, don't tell me. Show me the money. Have you ever seen Cuba Gooding Jr. and Jerry Maguire? Show me the money. How much do you trust Trump that the deal is done? I'm not at 100%. I hope he's not just, you know, tweeting this because it's kind of done-ish. Because I, as much as I don't trust Xi or his people whatsoever, I also don't necessarily trust Trump to tell us 100% if this is 100%.

• 2:07:51Speaker 03

  You're saying this might be a weave. This might be a tactic.

• 2:07:53Adam Sosnick?

  I'm just saying, you just said he's a deal maker. Maybe he's announcing the deal before the deal's done. And they're still wheeling and dealing. I don't know. Those are big, big, big, big issues.

• 2:08:02Speaker 03

  This is a big deal.

• 2:08:02Adam Sosnick?

  I think he was right to take on China. PBD, do you think that this deal is done, done, done, done? Or do you want to hear Besant or Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik come out and say, yes? Handshake. Picture, deal is done. What is this, Rob?

• 2:08:18Speaker 16

  This is Scott, uh, Howard Lutnik coming out and saying that the trade deal is done.

• 2:08:21Adam Sosnick?

  Can you press it? Is this just now?

• 2:08:23Speaker 16

  Uh, this was, I believe, Wednesday morning.

• 2:08:25Adam Sosnick?

  Is he saying it's done?

• 2:08:26Speaker 16

  Take a listen.

• 2:08:27Speaker 29

  So the idea is we're going to go back and speak to President Trump and make sure he approves it. They are going to go back and speak to President Xi and make sure he approves it. And if that is approved, we will then implement the framework that we have worked hard over these last two days.

• 2:08:44Adam Sosnick?

  That doesn't mean it's done to me. It means it's kind of done-ish and we're waiting on approval.

• 2:08:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't know. Typically, like, for example, we've been working on a negotiation the last, how many weeks would you say, Tom?

• 2:08:58Adam Sosnick?

  Almost, almost three weeks.

• 2:08:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, three weeks. And let me tell you, to tell you it's nasty would be an understatement. You know when the announcements being made today? In 38 minutes.

• 2:09:11Adam Sosnick?

  Oh shit, what's going on?

• 2:09:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, literally, in 38 minutes, I'm jumping on a Zoom to announce to people what deal we just brokered.

• 2:09:16Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:09:16Patrick Bet-David?

  And there's gonna be 20 people on that Zoom, 25 people on that Zoom. Do you know when the deal got signed? Last night. Not one thing has been, and it's a massive, massive, ma- maybe massive deal that'll be announced at noon here that we have a Zoom to talk to these people, okay? We signed the contract yesterday. I could have said it's seven days ago. I could have said it four days, I could have said it three days ago. But to me, I'm not gonna sit here and say anything. All these guys have done bigger deals. So you've got Howard Lutnick is, you know, uh, what do you call it? Uh, uh, Kenneth Fitzgerald? Kenneth Fitzgerald. Freaking three and a half billion dollar guy. This guy's been around, he's

• 2:10:01Adam Sosnick?

  Boy.

• 2:10:01Patrick Bet-David?

  battle-tested, he's a stud, you know, he went through the controversy, 9/11, everything's so tough. Thick skin, my CTO worked for him for 15 years, so he's a stud of a guy. You got, Trump's been doing deals for how long? Since he probably was a kid, six, seven years old, he's been doing deals, right? And there's an element of publicly, you know, announcing it to hold him accountable, but there's a pattern here. I was so excited about Panama Canal. Deal didn't get done.

• 2:10:25Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I was excited about a lot of things that were announced that it's done. That's not getting done. Epstein's gonna be dropped in two weeks. Didn't get done.

• 2:10:33Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Didn't get done. Didn't get done. So, I don't know. I mean, when you, let's just say if eight out of 10 deals get done with this approach. Keep taking the approach. It's been a lot of chaotic announcements that is not yet finalized and I don't think it's a good look. So, I hope the deal is done. Trust me, I want the deal to be done, probably more than anybody here. I want the deal to be done, but I would much rather say it's been signed. It's been signed. Here's what's in it. Boom. Versus, well, we gotta go to the president and he's gotta agree. We gotta go to Toronto, you know, G's gotta agree. And then we gotta get the stuff that we agreed on last two days. And by the way, you know what happened? Some of the things you negotiate on?

• 2:11:17Patrick Bet-David?

  So, we're negotiating something. I made it very clear, everything that I want. Contract comes back. They added three things to it. I never agreed to this. I'm done. I'm out.

• 2:11:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's like, what happened? Why did you add it? Well, we don't think it's a big deal. You don't think it's a big deal? I think it's a big deal.

• 2:11:33Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. Why didn't you bring it up?

• 2:11:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So now, if I would've announced it, now it's like you lose credibility if you announce it. So it's like now, well, you put yourself out there, you said the deal is good. Now we just added two things. So, I don't know.

• 2:11:43Adam Sosnick?

  Now, I don't wanna create controversy, but it sounds like you're kinda agreed with me on that one.

• 2:11:48Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's, I don't, I, I, like, I, I think you announce after you sign.

• 2:11:53Adam Sosnick?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 2:11:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I know.

• 2:11:55Adam Sosnick?

  Show me the money and then you can announce.

• 2:11:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Bro, who was a couple of players that the NBA announced the deal is good? A-Rod. A-Rod, was A-Rod supposed to go to the Red Sox? I thought A-Rod was supposed to go to the Red Sox. Is that, is that who was supposed to?

• 2:12:04Adam Sosnick?

  I actually don't remember.

• 2:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, who was, wasn't A-Rod supposed to go to the Red Sox? They announced it. Do you know the story? A-Rod became a Red Sox player in 03. Do you know who announced it on ESPN?

• 2:12:16Adam Sosnick?

  Who was it?

• 2:12:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude.

• 2:12:18Adam Sosnick?

  So that's when we got him.

• 2:12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so the Red Sox are about to announce they're getting the deal. Everything is done.

• 2:12:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Everything is done. They announce it on ESPN. Yankees find out, they come over, boom, cut it, they overlap, they take them over. Why did you announce it, Red Sox? Why did you announce it? So to me, a lot of, a lot of, this has happened in sports many times, this has happened in business a lot. Just don't say anything till it's flipping signed.

• 2:12:49Speaker 03

  It's the most transparent administration in history. This might be the downside of that.

• 2:12:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I think there's a lot of playing to the market. There's been a lot of, uh, playing to the market. And what this is, this is a, this is a technique. And it's called leak the LOI and, and keep the harbor of safety for the negotiating partners. Very simple. Leak the LOI. We have a framework, we've worked very hard on for the past two days. That's an LOI, like a letter of intent. However, you know, our CEO, we're gonna make sure he approves it, their CEO. Now there's the harbor of retreat so that no CEO loses face if the deal shifts. But now Wall Street likes it. Hey, I think the merger's on. And it's a positive thing for both stocks. So leak the LOI, save the harbor back. It's, you know, that's kind of what I see here.

• 2:13:36Tom Ellsworth?

  And I agree with Pat, you've seen this repetitively. I, I'd rather have, this is very positive and we have one more step that we're gonna take with Xi and Trump. But, uh, we, we could be there, but we'll let you know. I would respect that statement a lot and understand that the, the political, you, you, you put it out there for the political wins and you're also playing to the market a little bit. So, you know, but it's.

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• 2:15:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Come on, you know, at some point in time, you gotta make it happen.

• 2:15:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You know who also doesn't believe Trump? What I say to you is if it's working, keep doing it. It's not working.

• 2:15:07Tom Ellsworth?

  That's right.

• 2:15:08Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not working. I was hoping we would have Panama Canal. My biggest thing was we need the Panama Canal because that's one way of holding China accountable. We don't have it yet.

• 2:15:17Speaker 03

  You know what's funny though, with this tip?

• 2:15:19Tom Ellsworth?

  I missed something. Indian Parliament didn't come back?

• 2:15:21Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you know what I, you know, what I hope is in this agreement? You know what I hope is in this agreement? Do you know what I hope is in this agreement? I hope they said, "Get out of the way with CK Hutchinson getting in the way of the Panama Canal deal. Don't get in the way, allow the deal to be done."

• 2:15:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:15:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I would want that in that deal. And I'm hoping it is.

• 2:15:43Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a Balboa Dock or whatever it is.

• 2:15:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm hoping it is. I'm just gonna say I'm hoping it is.

• 2:15:46Speaker 03

  What's kind of funny about what all these little deals though point out? Everyone elected Trump because they think about the N-word. You know, not that one and not the nuclear one.

• 2:15:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Michael!

• 2:15:54Speaker 03

  No, not that one, not that one. The, but national.

• 2:15:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Nagasaki!

• 2:15:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, Nagi- no, it was nationalist. And they think Trump is this hardcore nationalist, all the complaints about him, first time, second time. He's a, an isolationist, he's gonna try to return us to some yeoman fantasy, whatever.

• 2:16:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:08Speaker 03

  No, man, Trump's vision of politics is imperial. Trump's vision of politics is engaged with the world. He's trying to take back the Panama Canal, which he should have done, and Jimmy Carter was a lunatic for giving it up. He should take Greenland. He, I don't really want all of America's evil top hat because I don't want to be countrymen with Canadians, but I see that point. He wants to be engaged with China. He, you know, he wants to be engaged with the world. You know, the distinction between him and the liberal globalists and neocons is that he wants to do it in a way that is beneficial to the American interest. So that's, it's just to this point on his coalition these formed with all these disparate groups. How does he bring together hardcore libertarians and hardcore warhawks? You know, how does he bring together free traders and protectionists? How does he bring together all these groups?

• 2:16:53Speaker 03

  He has this kind of weird synthesis of politics, which is, no, no, we want America to be strong, we want America to lead, to be engaged, to be rich, to be powerful, we're gonna punch back at those protesters when they hit us, but we're gonna do it in a way that benefits us. To me, that rewrites a lot of the rules of trade and international security.

• 2:17:11Adam Sosnick?

  The market doesn't necessarily believe Trump, because they're kind of calling him the little boy that cried "deal", because if this deal was done and the market did trust Trump, what he's saying, the market would be going bananas today. Are you kidding me? But the market's down and it's even flat in some components. So if it were me, and I thought that a Trump-China tariff deal was done, the market should be up a thousand points. It's down 24. So the market's saying, "I don't know about this, Trump."

• 2:17:37Tom Ellsworth?

  The Dow is down 24, Nasdaq's up, NYSE is up, S&P 500 is up.

• 2:17:41Adam Sosnick?

  Flat, it's barely up.

• 2:17:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Well, let me read. Do we want to go... Let's just wrap it up with these two stories.

• 2:17:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Numbers are pretty clear.

• 2:17:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so Luigi Mangione. Remember Luigi Mangione, this guy that killed the, you know, the...

• 2:17:55Adam Sosnick?

  The left savior, their leader.

• 2:17:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He just turned 27 years old, if you were wondering. He turned 27 years old, and, you know, my phone blows up yesterday, okay? And he writes this letter, you know, writing 27 things he's grateful for, okay?

• 2:18:12Adam Sosnick?

  That's the letter?

• 2:18:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And it goes viral everywhere. If you can zoom in, okay? "My friends, my family, the many talented generous individuals, letters he's received, you know, the MDC mailroom, memes, and then number seven, the countless books I've been sent. While I've read many of them, not many, the vast majority of them, I've loved facilitating this collective practice in Sudoku and have distributed these books to many grateful inmates. My favorites include Anne Rann's Anthem and Patrick B. David's Your Next Five Movies."

• 2:18:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451. Who sent him the book is the question. Listen, somehow, some way, that book is in prisons now. Wow. And he's reading it, your next five moves, and my phone, literally, Bro. is, is blowing up saying, hey.

• 2:18:59Speaker 03

  This can't be real. Is this real?

• 2:19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  This is real. This is, this was by, okay, zoom out a little bit, Rob, can you go to the story that posted this?

• 2:19:06Speaker 16

  Uh, sure. I believe it was TMZ yesterday.

• 2:19:08Patrick Bet-David?

  TMZ, and this is sexual in while he was in prison, right? He posted this in publicly, this is right there, this is TMZ, go in, that's the letter. Okay, go down, Rob, and then go to the story that TMZ posted.

• 2:19:20Speaker 03

  You're such a good marketer, it's insane. I can't, that is like the craziest marketing I've ever heard of.

• 2:19:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, we didn't send it to him. We've never given this guy the book. Like, I'm trying to say whoever got the book and there is, you know, go a little bit lower. Now, I want to know if you read this. So this is from TMZ. Before or after? But by the way, here's, here's the, here's the interesting thing. When the event happened, the day we, we looked at him, he was following 72X account, Twitter accounts, if you can go to it, Rob. And it was some interesting people he followed. So it's not like he's following, you know, hardcore leftist, all that stuff. That's the part where you're wondering what this guy's, what is the accounts he's, uh, so Ezra Klein, keep going a little bit lower, so you got some of these names that you're looking at. Okay.

• 2:20:05Speaker 16

  Yeah, Nassim Nicholas.

• 2:20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Sam Altman, Snowden. Of course. AOC, Hyde, myself, RFK Junior. Bret Weinstein. Bret Weinstein. So the mixture of people, John McAfee, Dawkins, Steve O, Rogan. Right? It's a very interesting collection of people. And it's not like he follows 20,000 people, right? He's following, you know, Trevor Noah, some of these other guys. So, it's just interesting that that's out there. How do you process this, PBD? Like, it's so weird accolade.

• 2:20:34Speaker 03

  Can I ask you a question?

• 2:20:35Patrick Bet-David?

  This is very weird.

• 2:20:36Speaker 03

  What would be one of his next five moves if you're just in prison? Like, stay away from bubba. Don't, you know what I mean? Watch your ass. Like, what do you, consider becoming a neo-Nazi? I don't know how the gangs are working. You probably need protection.

• 2:20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I wonder what his. I gotta give you credit, PBD. This is a story, if my name was on it, this would be.

• 2:20:53Adam Sosnick?

  Buried on the bottom of the pile. You're like, hey guys, shout out.

• 2:20:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Very.

• 2:20:58Adam Sosnick?

  Luigi.

• 2:20:59Speaker 03

  Good book.

• 2:20:59Adam Sosnick?

  Very good book.

• 2:21:00Speaker 03

  Congratulations.

• 2:21:00Adam Sosnick?

  It just shows this.

• 2:21:02Speaker 10

  Congrats, Pat.

• 2:21:03Speaker 03

  At least he didn't read the book before.

• 2:21:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you imagine? Congratulations. It's like, ah.

• 2:21:08Adam Sosnick?

  Not really, dude.

• 2:21:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you.

• 2:21:11Adam Sosnick?

  Hey guys, if you need a good summer read this summer, your next five moves. It's so hot right now.

• 2:21:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, it's out there. It is what it is. I thought it was an interesting story. Who sent it? Did you send it to me first? Who sent it to me first?

• 2:21:21Speaker 10

  I didn't. It wasn't me. Maybe Roberto or somebody.

• 2:21:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, somebody sent it to me and then we went through it. All right. Is there any story we haven't covered that we should? Because Rob, we have nothing else till next weekend.

• 2:21:32Adam Sosnick?

  Iran.

• 2:21:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, are we gonna go to war? Let's do that one. Okay, let's do that one. US to pull some personnel from Middle East amid rising tensions with Iran. Okay. President Donald Trump announced on Wednesday the partial evacuation of US personnel from the Middle East, stating they are being moved out because it could be a dangerous place. And emphasized they can't have a nuclear weapon. Very simple. And they can't have a nuclear amid stalled nuclear talks with Iran. US intelligence reports of Israel preparing strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities. The State Department Wednesday advisory noted on June 11th, the Department of State ordered departure of non-emergency US government personnel due to heightened regional tensions.

• 2:22:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Authorizing voluntary departure from Bahrain and Kuwait with Reuters reporting a planned evacuation of the US embassy in Baghdad. The US military presence in the region, including bases in Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and UAE faces increased risk with Defense Secretary Pete Hex. Authorizing voluntary departure military dependence primarily from Bahrain as a US official confirmed. Uh, Michael, thoughts?

• 2:22:39Speaker 03

  Well, it was, it was bound to happen, wasn't it? Don't we all have to bomb some Middle Eastern country every single? I remember in 1998, I was eight years old and we were bombing Iraq. And I asked my mother why we're bombing Iraq. And she said, Michael, every American president has to bomb Iraq. It's just, she, the true story. That's what she said.

• 2:22:54Patrick Bet-David?

  What does she do?

• 2:22:55Speaker 03

  She, my mother, she's since passed, but she was, she was like a headhunter. She was in, not like snipe, snipe, like, you know, in person. And, but, but she had a good political, she had worked in politics too. And so I'm not surprised by this. What is most notable about this to me is today, no, I don't care how confident people sound. Nobody knows what Trump is going to do, what Trump is going to allow the state of Israel to do. No one knows really what's going to happen. And that is the Trump foreign policy. The ones who say he's a total dove and an isolationist, they are just wrong. The ones who say that he's a complete hawk and a neocon, they're obviously wrong. Trump is the guy who is a total dove, says we've got to end the wars in the Middle East,

• 2:23:39Speaker 03

  we've got to pull our troops home, and then goes and kills the top Iranian general. And you just, and he knows it too. So that is his strategy. And it's how, when it was reported that he said to Putin, hey, if you invade Ukraine on my watch, I'll bomb Moscow. Even if Putin thinks it's a 5% chance that happens, it's a 5% chance. You know, you can't take that risk. So I, no one who tells you with confidence what is going to happen is, knows what he's talking about. However, it does seem likely to me there has been a major war cry for war in Iran. At the very least, for the US to allow Israel to do something, which is why, probably why we're evacuating the embassies. There is zero public appetite for a war in Iran. Two things I'll tell you that are true. There is zero public appetite for that.

• 2:24:23Speaker 03

  Trump's base will be furious if something occurs that could be interpreted as the US going to war in Iran and committing troops there. No appetite. Okay? And Trump's political career and the new coalition he formed was formed in large part because he opposed the Iraq war. The other side is, Trump is an imperialist, and he's a tough guy. And he's not a libertarian, you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone. That is not him. That's some of his supporters, that's not him. He also will not allow Iran to get a nuclear bomb on his watch, because he also thinks that would be detrimental to his legacy. He won't let that happen. He's got to be the tough guy in the room. What that means for US policy.

• 2:25:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Those two collide though.

• 2:25:02Speaker 03

  Say it again.

• 2:25:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Those two ideas collide.

• 2:25:04Speaker 03

  They collide. They do collide.

• 2:25:06Patrick Bet-David?

  They're opposites.

• 2:25:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:25:08Patrick Bet-David?

  It's going to be tough with this one here. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 2:25:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, when those two ideas collide, you allow Mossad and Israel off the leash. It's very simple.

• 2:25:19Speaker 03

  That might be happening now.

• 2:25:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep. And I think that's, no, am I predicting that? Kinda. Do I know that? Obviously not. But... Those two, those two angles, when Mike, I, I, I think you, you summarize those perfectly. And he's an imperialist this way. I'm gonna go out, you know, I'm like Churchill and says, you know, what does Parliament think? Shut up, I'll be right back. You know, it's just, that's the imperialist side. And then the other side is, I'm not gonna let them have a bomb. Yeah. And so if, if it's really just centrifuges, he's gotta listen to somebody other than the CIA. They're moments away, and wiring a button at this very moment, because that's what you're gonna

• 2:26:01Tom Ellsworth?

  get out of Nikki Haley, the military industrial complex, and the CIA. So he's gotta turn to it. Well, where, where do you, where do you go? Well, Israel knows that they have to stay tough, but they also know that they just can't be at a constant state of bombing everything around them and cause a, a coalition attack. They don't want that. But, could they be surgical? And could you take them off the leash and say, okay, Bibi, Mossad, this is what we're gonna do here? I think that's the play. Adam?

• 2:26:31Adam Sosnick?

  I think there's three main players here. There's Iran, there's Israel, the United States. And I think the United States is trying to get a deal done. If there's anything we know about Trump, it's, let's make a deal. And if you believe any of the reports here of what's going on in Iran right now, there's no deal in sight. Uh, Trump says Iran much more aggressive in nuclear talks, it's disappointing. Satellite photos reveal Iran's nuke program is still going on, vanishing roads and AI drones.

• 2:26:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Surprise, surprise, surprise.

• 2:26:59Adam Sosnick?

  So, Trump's trying to get a deal done, and Iran's like, basically saying, F you. So now Trump is saying, okay, like, do you think Trump has a better relationship with Bibi Netanyahu or the Ayatollahs? Rhetorical question, you don't have to answer that. Obviously, it's Bibi. And I think at some point, Trump said, okay, we're not getting a deal done here. They're not coming to the table with anything. Alright, listen, I don't know what's gonna happen. I know that I don't want a war, I don't want that my people want a war, so here's what I'm gonna do. All the Americans, get the F out. Israel, you do what you gotta do. I don't want a war. I don't need a war. Don't call me if you do this. But if you do this, this is your decision. Consult, great. I don't want

• 2:27:44Adam Sosnick?

  any American troops here. But the US embassies are gonna get hit. Yeah, that's the problem. Well, that's why they're getting out of there. Because if you know anything about Israel's doctrine regarding Iran, while Iran is shouting, "Death to America, death to Israel," with a clock that says "destruction of Israel," Israel's sitting there being like, "I really don't want to have to blow you motherfuckers up." I really don't. But the one doctrine is preemptive strike. The best defense is a good offense, you know, they say in sports, or the best offense is a good defense, however you want to look at it. So they have three major components. They have number one, what's called the Begin doctrine, like Minachem Begin, and it's basically,

• 2:28:24Adam Sosnick?

  if we're about to get nuked, get them first. That's numero uno. And then, you know, Bibi said a famous line, talking about Obama, about the, you know, Obama, the famous red line. He said, "Red lines aren't meant to be drawn, they're meant to be enforced. If you do this nuclear thing, we're gonna attack you, straight up." Number two is the imminent threat, self-defense, which essentially like a derivative of what number one is. And number three is, we need to protect the neighborhood. And this is gonna be a little controversial take. Israel's been fighting wars with everyone around them, and they all attacked first, right? The Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, and they go ping, ding, ping, ping, destroyed them all, also took down Syria, and now they're looking at Iran

• 2:29:09Adam Sosnick?

  and being like, "What have you ever won, bro? All you do is fund people to fight for you, and now they're all done." And now I'm like, "What's up, homie?" And Iran is like, "Oh, what are you gonna do now?" What's a war that Iran has won in the last, since 1979? I don't know, Iraq in the 80s? I don't know. So I think Israel's looking at it saying, "I don't want to do this, but we're gonna strike them before they strike us." That's my opinion.

• 2:29:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, here's what Trump said when he was asked about it, Rob, you know, removing soldiers. Here's President Trump.

• 2:29:42Speaker 18

  ...because it could be a dangerous place, and we'll see what happens. But they are being, we've given notice to move out, and we'll see what happens.

• 2:29:51Speaker 30

  Is there anything that could be done to dial the temperature down in the region?

• 2:29:56Speaker 18

  They can't have a nuclear weapon, very simply. They can't have a nuclear weapon. Uh, we're not gonna allow that.

• 2:30:04Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, when he was, uh, when they were negotiating with Obama, you know how long it took him to get the deal done? Two years. So you know what Iran has? Patience. They're like, yeah, we're gonna take our time. But they're dealing with a different guy. So it's gonna be interesting to see how he handles this year going there.

• 2:30:21Speaker 03

  Put yourself in Iran's position, though. If you're the mullahs, and you say, okay, America, I know, you never wanna put yourself in the position of the mullahs, but, but if you're them, you say, okay, you're telling me that you won't swap out my regime as long as I give up my nuclear program. Isn't that what you told Gaddafi? Like, how did it turn out for Gaddafi? I don't wanna end up like Gaddafi. So I, I- At the end of the street, killed by your own people? Yeah, yeah, and some of the stories were pretty gory, right? Oh, yeah.

• 2:30:45Patrick Bet-David?

  It's horrifying.

• 2:30:46Speaker 03

  So, if you're them, I, I understand, you know, it's, again, when I think about the libs in America, when I think about the mullahs in Iran, I, I, you can't just say, well, they're just total crazy lunatics. Yeah, sure, there's some of that, but from their perspect, or Vladimir Putin for that matter, from their perspective, what are they supposed to do? They cannot give up all of their enrichment and expect to stay in power.

• 2:31:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I never today expected you to say you wanted to one day wear a turban and like, I was, I was not expecting that from my-

• 2:31:13Speaker 03

  I had no idea.

• 2:31:14Patrick Bet-David?

  When we were being briefed-

• 2:31:15Speaker 03

  A tasteful hijab for the lady.

• 2:31:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I was not, I was, I was not expecting that. But you know what? You're right. It is true that they don't trust America, and why would they, like, like, I, I can visualize them saying, who the hell are you to tell us we can't have a nuclear weapon? Okay, great.

• 2:31:28Speaker 03

  You're gonna find out.

• 2:31:30Patrick Bet-David?

  So now, what are you gonna do about it? So that's the part where what you're saying, he's in a very tough place.

• 2:31:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:36Patrick Bet-David?

  The president is in a very tough place. And, you know, you, you can, like, imagine how nuclear it got with him and Musk. Okay. Yeah, that was nuclear. Lasted how long? Four days, five days, six days of nuclear? And it went like this, boom, and then it was boom, right? And it's kinda like, done, we're moving on to the next story. But if this goes nuclear, it's not a nuclear because it's a analogy you're using it's going nuclear. No, no, it could go nuclear and it could get very, very nasty with them. Nobody in the world wants it. So Iran is not one that is, you know, is not willing to go there because they don't, again, they don't look at their people the way Americans we look at our people. They look at their people in a very different way. And if Israel gets

• 2:32:21Patrick Bet-David?

  involved and they go to war and then they come back saying, I need weapons, I need money. How he's gonna handle it's gonna be very interesting because he's probably already told Bibi, hey, man, if you go there, you're on your own. So I don't know what that call sounds like either.

• 2:32:33Speaker 03

  Is the Shah getting ready to come back? Is he, is your fingers itching?

• 2:32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  For him to come back? I don't know. After my, you know, multiple interviews with him, I don't think he wants to go back to Iran. And I know he's getting a lot of momentum right now, but for Iran to have, you know, the democracy that they're looking for, somebody needs to go back. And I don't know if that's gonna be taking place. Anyways, right at the end of the podcast, we're at the end of the podcast. I gotta wrap up because I gotta call in 15 minutes. And I have to tell you, really, really enjoyed having you on.

• 2:33:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you for having me, guys.

• 2:33:06Patrick Bet-David?

  First time we interacted was at the Spotify event.

• 2:33:09Speaker 03

  That's right, the inauguration.

• 2:33:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and I was sitting there watching. We're in a room, it's, it's us, it's Lex Friedman, it's Chamat, it's the All In guys, it's who else am I missing?

• 2:33:20Speaker 03

  The Blaze was there.

• 2:33:21Patrick Bet-David?

  The Nelk Boys, our boy Kyle. Walsh is there, yeah. I don't think Nelk was there. YouTube, Google, everybody. But no, we're specifically talking on the Spotify dinner that will happen. And it was such a great, it was, you know, they should have recorded it because it was so fascinating watching how everybody was openly talking. But I was just watching you and sizing you up and I said, I freaking like this guy. You know, because you know your Daily Wire, oh my God, Daily Wire, you know, the Valuetainment, Candace, all this stuff that comes out. And, you know, we have, I've said my stuff about the company and all the other things. That we've had, but the conversation with Matt Walsh, you could tell Matt Walsh was a little bit standoffish, just like, whoa, you know, I don't know about you. He was very guarded.

• 2:34:02Speaker 03

  I'm one of Matt's best friends.

• 2:34:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:04Speaker 03

  He's standoffish with me. We're sitting having a cigar.

• 2:34:06Patrick Bet-David?

  But I tell you, when I, when I watched you, I'm like, this is just a cool guy and good for him. So here's what we want to do, guys. If you loved him as much as we loved him, go support him. He's got a cigar company called The Mayflower.

• 2:34:19Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 2:34:20Patrick Bet-David?

  That he was kind enough to bring me a box here. And, you know, this is the Mayflower cigar. Maybe next time we do it, maybe we do a live event at the cigar lounge.

• 2:34:29Speaker 03

  That sounds great.

• 2:34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And folks get a chance to try the cigar. What is the website, Rob? It says Mayflower Cigars.

• 2:34:34Speaker 03

  Cigars.com.

• 2:34:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to Mayflower Cigars. We'll put the link below. Support the man if you like cigars. And this was great and we're looking forward to having you again.

• 2:34:41Speaker 03

  Well, thank you. I'll look forward to a cigar the next time.

• 2:34:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Appreciate you. Take care, everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

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