Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover Donald Trump removing Hunter Biden's Secret Service protection, the Trump administration releasing 80,000 JFK files, and Andrew Tate's war of words with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. ------- 📕 CELEBRATE NATIONAL READING MONTH:⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/43xPwPI⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/43xPwPI 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:17Speaker 02

  My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, here we go. Lots of stories, folks, to cover here today. We did a poll finding out which one you guys want to talk about. You want to talk about the Conor McGregor speaking at the White House as if he's going to be going and saving Ireland. And by the way, he gave a message afterwards. What do you think about what this person had to say? He says, "I employ 200 or 300 people." Shame on him to say anything. So it looks like he wants to do something. That was interesting. There's a very interesting thing we found in Gene Hackman's

• 1:53Patrick Bet-David?

  living trust and their will, which is very weird that if they died within 90 days of each other, very confusing when he sees something like that. Definitely very weird. The auto pen thing we talked about last week, President Trump tweeted about it. A lot of people are upset. A lot of people are saying he's just doing this to kind of get the conversation. Then the, the press secretary is being asked about it by Chris, what is the girl's name from CNN? Kristen Welker. Kristen Welker and her rebuttal to her is the best. I thought it was Caitlyn Collins. No, it was Caitlyn Collins. It was Caitlyn Collins. It's CNN. Yeah. Is it CNN? Yeah, that's the CNN. And she got cuss slapped. You have to hear what she says back. It's a beautiful thing. Anthony Mackie, the actor, okay, Anthony Mackie talks about something. I don't know if you guys saw this clip or not.

• 2:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you have to see this. He says something about his boys, the way he raises his sons. And Hollywood has lost their mind. And if you don't know who Anthony Mackie is, he's the guy from, is he the Black Panther? Rob, is he one of the Black? I believe he's Captain America now. He's Captain America, right? Captain America. And you gotta see the way he answered. By the way, more stuff going on with Venezuela, Trenor Aragua, we'll talk about that. Don Lemon says if you're black and MAGA, you're, you're, you're not very intelligent. Some word like that he used. I'll let him explain it to you because, you know, he's very good at explaining these types of things. He said they weren't rational. They were irrational. He's channeling Joe Biden. That's right.

• 3:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So Don Lemon then, Bill Maher then has Batia, Sirgon, explaining tariffs to him. And it's, it's a very, very unique exchange. Good for him for having these types of conversations to them or with Bill Maher. We're going to talk about the Greenland mineral deals. BlackRock, which is kind of weird, Rob, if you can tell me what page this story is on for the BlackRock one? Cause these are my new notes. If you can just text it to me. BlackRock buys Panama Canal a few weeks ago quietly and nobody talks about it. For $22.8 billion. It is controlled by Panama, but BlackRock buys it. How do you feel about it? I don't know. I don't know, we can talk about it. It's definitely an interesting thing to talk about.

• 4:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, democratic, Democrats have the lowest, uh, rating in the last 30 years according to CNN. Since they started measuring this as the lowest it's ever been for 30 years, but they're still not learning their lessons, which maybe they want to break their own records and you've got to respect it. They're very competitive. Beat your prior best. Go for it. Your prior best. And then, uh, I saw something, a clip I got to show to you guys from the eighties. Uh, these two guys from two different computer companies are showing off their computers. Okay. And the guy's asking questions of how much these computers are. You will be blown away. At the price? The price of these computers in that time. Canada, uh, is latest hit to hit America where it hurts. Tom's got some thoughts of that as a Canadian. His family's Canadian. He was born and raised here.

• 4:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, then we have a couple of other things with the pardons we'll address. US Senate passes stop cap funding. Bill to avert government shutdown. Charlamagne the God. Schumer, Jeffrey should step down. Schumer had a rough week. A lot of people going after Schumer. We'll definitely talk about what happened with Schumer this week. They're calling him a person that, uh, caved to the president, to President Trump. Boss. Astronauts stuck in orbit for months, finally set to come home. Bloomberg, that's the title. You know what they don't put in the title? Who saved them? SpaceX.

• 5:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Rescued by the wrong guy. I have a clip by Elon Musk, an interview with Ted Cruz. Guys, this is a very disturbing clip. I'm telling you, it's a very disturbing clip when I play it to you. Uh, I actually got to tell you, Ted Cruz should start a podcast. I don't know if he did or not. It was actually very good questions he asked. Called the verdict at the end of podcasts or whatever they're setting up? I don't know what it is, but it was great. It was great questions he asked. We got some things with JP Morgan Chase. Lawrence O'Donnell taking a break. He says, I'm exhausted at Trump's day 52. And poor guy's going through it right now. Trevor Brower's exiled from MLB over Trump's support. Andrew Tate cannot hide fury as Florida welcome, uh, welcome brings yet more legal trouble. Adam partied with them on, you guys were, you went to a church or a library, something like that on Saturday night?

• 6:04Adam Sosnick?

  We went to a mosque, Pat, and, uh, I might be converting now. It was great.

• 6:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Angel Reese says the WNBA could go on a strike over salaries. I have some ideas. Nine people are going to be upset. Nine lesbians. And then ex- Twenty-two, twenty-two TV viewers. Ex Las Vegas police captain accused of cover up in Sean Diddy Combs. Oh, that's a good one, Pat.

• 6:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And then there's a couple of the stories here that we'll get into. Who knows? President, President Trump said they're releasing the- JFK, what do you call it, files today.

• 6:29Adam Sosnick?

  Vinnie, why are you rolling your eyes?

• 6:30Speaker 05

  Well, because I'm telling you guys right now, I am at my wits end with that. Like, this is, this is it. If they, if they do this whole redacted thing, Pat, I'm, I'm, I'm finished. Because our patience is, we're done. For that, remember that 12% that we're talking about? That care about this type of stuff? How many, they keep dangling it, and then they're moving it.

• 6:49Adam Sosnick?

  So you'll be an even angrier patriot?

• 6:51Speaker 05

  I'm gonna be really pissed off if today they go, if they go like this.

• 6:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, guys, let me kind of cover with you guys what happened last Thursday. We announced the Yeti collaboration with all of these. Like this, gone, okay? And, and by the way, a bunch of guys are posting them, ladies, this was, the, the ladies number one, you guys wouldn't even wait on this one here. This didn't stand a chance. And I have the red one, which is the one I use, uh, reason why I'm not wearing a jacket, because I'm famous for spilling protein drinks on my jacket. And by the way, literally what I'm telling you is, this isn't the first time. A couple of weeks ago, I spilled the whole, whole thing, and I'm driving, I'm like, this place smells like a protein drink. So wow, this thing's very strong. I looked to my right, the entire protein drink on the entire car. We had to take it professional, they had to suck the protein drink out of the seat in the Porsche 911, they're like, this is, anyways, the guy made some money that day.

• 7:41Adam Sosnick?

  Just thank God it wasn't onions, Pat.

• 7:43Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, well, at least it smells good. Anyways, these went. Uh, and we have a lot of new surprises coming up for a lot of you, but I will tell you guys, parents, if you have kids that are 12 and up, including yourself, if you have not yet ordered The Academy, go order it. You will see why, okay? There's a lot of people that are not happy about this book. There's a lady that made a video about this, uh, about, you know, uh, The Academy online, pissed off, how could you say stuff like this in the book? Because there's a scene in the book that Margaret Thatcher is debating Karl Marx. If you haven't yet ordered it for yourself and your kids, and you've not read it, go ahead and order the book. Anybody that places the order today, Rob, if I'm not mistaken, signed copy of this, they get four bookmarks of The Academy that'll be put in there with you as well,

• 8:27Patrick Bet-David?

  for anyone that orders the book, especially the fact that this is. Uh, the, uh, what do they call this month, Rob? Uh, uh, March is-

• 8:35Speaker 06

  National Reading Month.

• 8:36Patrick Bet-David?

  National Reading Month. Catch up on the books, place your order for Academy for yourself and your kids above the age of 12, which is what I do with my kids. My Dylan also read it. You'll get four, uh, uh, uh, custom bookmarks being sent your way. All right, let's get right into it. First story I want to start off with is the Autopin story. Okay, Rob, if you can go to the Truth Social, the president had, I'll read that, then there's a video of him talking about it. So this is the president. We talked about this last week, okay? And a lot of the clips of the moment while we're going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then Vinnie reads the chat GPT that says pardons cannot use Autopins, right? And then boom, that clip is all over X that's being shared, but this is the president

• 9:21Patrick Bet-David?

  on the 17th, sharing this yesterday. The pardons that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to Unselect Committee of Political Thugs and many others are hereby declared void, vacant, and of no further force for effect or effect because of the fact that they were done by Autopin. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them, but more importantly, he did not know anything about them. The necessary pardoning, uh, documents were not explained to or approved by Biden. He knew nothing about them and the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those on the Unselect Committee who destroyed the and deleted all evidence obtained during their two-year witch hunt of me and many other innocent people should fully understand that they are subject to investigation. At the highest level, the fact is they're probably responsible for the Democrats

• 10:07Patrick Bet-David?

  that were signed on their behalf without their knowledge or consent of the worst president in the history of our country, Cricket Joe Biden. Okay, he posted this. Rob, do you have the clip of him being asked this on the plane? I don't know if you have it or not. If you can play that because that's the, that's the Truth Social, then this is when he's being asked about it and he's given his response. Go ahead, Rob.

• 10:28Speaker 07

  Most pardons from the president now null and void. I think so. It's not my decision. That'll be up to a court. But I would say that they're null and void because I'm sure Biden didn't have any idea that it was taking place. And somebody was using an autopen to sign off and to give pardons to as an example. Just one example, but the J six unselect committing. They they gave think of it. They gave pardons with an autopen. I don't think Biden knew anything about it. And what they did is they deleted and destroyed all of the information that took them over a year to get.

• 11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's that part. Now, Rob, go to the clip where the press secretary is being asked about it by CNN. How could you say say something like this? How do you know the credibility behind it? Sixteen seconds. What she says at the end is very powerful. Go for it.

• 11:24Speaker 08

  Talking about issuing preemptive pardons to these people. But was he aware of his signature being used on every single pardon? That's a question you should ask the Biden White House. Is there any evidence on that that he wasn't aware of?

• 11:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this.

• 11:36Speaker 08

  You're a reporter. You should find out, Sean.

• 11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That's your job. If you call yourself a journalist, go ask the questions and find out if that happened or not. Before I come to you guys, before I come to you guys, can you go to the tweet, Rob, when I posted this tweet? Something very interesting happened. If you go to the tweet, when I posted this, okay, when I posted this,

• 11:59Patrick Bet-David?

  click on it to go to the comments if you could. Okay, so go lower. And I want to actually see the guy that says Grok. What do you have to say about this? Go a little lower. Keep going lower, lower, is it? Is this all on my tweet, Rob, or no?

• 12:09Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, right there. Go above that. Okay, go above that on what somebody said because I posted that above somebody that said Grok. Can you verify this? Hey, Patrick, any question? Where is it written that it has to be a wet signature? Curious. So I asked J G B T and Grok responded to this. We asked, can presidents use autopen for pardons? No, US presidents cannot use an autopen to sign pardons. The Constitution. Grants the president all executive or inclusive order to issue pardons under article section two and legal interpretation suggests that a pardon must be personally signed wet signature by the president to be valid. Now watch what Grok says. Grok responds and says research shows auto pen is likely valid for pardons, not just admin docs. No legal rule

• 12:55Patrick Bet-David?

  requires a wet signature presidents like Obama use it for bills and Biden's pardons faced. No legal avoid avoiding despite debate. Your claim, I cannot read the rest, Rob on the bottom. It seems off based and off base on history and practice. So you got chat GPT and Grok who don't agree with each other. The only thing that's left is us bringing a constitutional lawyer. By the way, Grok kept getting involved and saying more things and more things and more things and more things. There's actually, this was actually a very good experience. I would love to see a podcast between Grok and right there. Click on that one right there.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  Grok and chat GPT on that.

• 13:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly it. Gola lore, Gola lore, Rob. So he's questioning. So then Grok responds. No evidence that Biden's pardons were author unauthorized or invalid due to auto pen signatures. Legal president like a 1920 time solicitor general's opinion supports the validity as the constitution does not specify signing methods of pardon historical use of by presidents. Can you go a little more? Including Obama backs this up, claims of illegitimacy seems like more political tactics. So Grok is calling out President Trump is what Grok is doing just to kind of be straight up. Go back one, Rob, if you could. Uh, go back one to continue to see if he responds more stuff. Grok keep going down. If there's more stuff that Grok said, this kept going and going and going. So Vinnie, your thoughts on this?

• 14:13Speaker 05

  Oh, man. I, uh, well, hate to be those people, you know, that's saying that we told you so. From the beginning, we knew that Joe Biden was not in charge. Every single time, Tom was one of the first ones that pointed it out. Every time there was a conversation or something was happening and they wanted to actually ask him questions, he would turn and be like, listen, I wish I could. They told me I can't. And from the beginning, we were saying, who the hell is the, is the they? We know Blinken and all these people are involved, but it's, it's who, guys? Who, who's the actual person? Cause we have investigation. Remember we said last year was the year investigation? He has, the team is in place. I want all of this investigated because if you think about it, who are we talking about right now? Anthony Fauci, okay? Mr. Fauci himself.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  This is, and like I said, our patience has been running thin. People like me that have been ride or die with this whole movement that have gotten freaking bullied, punched in the head because I was wearing a red hat in LA. We deserve something. We want somebody to go to jail for what they've done. I know we're going to get into Hunter later, but Fauci, not everything that he did, General Mark Milley, which is basically what he was doing was treasonous. He was saying, if China, if something happens, I'm going to tell China that we're going to attack. That's all treasonous, especially coming from a general. And then the January 6th committee, I think especially with this type of investigation, if it's for sure that his signature wasn't involved, it wasn't actually him, I want them all to be lifted and then the real investigations have to happen. I want accountability for everything that these people have done. Plain and simple.

• 15:40Tom Ellsworth?

  I think there's a trouble brewing here and the trouble that I think is brewing is things like this, the Oversight Project showing that it was conclusively like what, well, they're saying and their, and their claim is it's nearly conclusive that these are all auto pen signatures. So we have that. Now we have even the press asking about it, you know, CNN's asking about it and you have citizens asking about it on, on X and in other places. So now you're only one step from a senator or a congressman asking about it. And I think what's about to happen here is this is going to boil up and it's going to

• 16:19Tom Ellsworth?

  end up in front of the Supreme Court because it has to do with executive powers and specifically the execution and proper execution of executive powers. So I, I think this is number one, it's not going away. And number two, if it gets the Supreme Court, I, I've gone down the list, I think this is 5-4. I think this is, if it gets to the Supreme Court, should you or should you not use the auto pen, the conservative view is probably gonna come down 5-4.

• 16:46Speaker 05

  And let me ask you a question though. If that comes down 5-4, Tom, and it's all lifted and all the pardons are null and void, does he have Cash Patel and Pam Bondi go after these people for what they freaking did to him?

• 16:56Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a second question, and I think you probably could answer that with, depending on the people, you got a couple hell yeses in there, Anthony Fauci, and you've got a couple maybes.

• 17:05Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 17:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's do this. Rob, what clip do you have in, Adam, I'm gonna come to you. Is this the one about slamming Biden and then the other one being what, Good Morning America to say? Yes, sir. Go for it.

• 17:16Speaker 10

  You have to keep NATO strong, you have to keep it relevant, but the biggest thing we have to worry about right now is what's going on right now. I think the rest is gonna take care of itself. I don't see this happening. This was a fluke. This was something that if we had a competent president, it would not have happened. The man was grossly incompetent. All you have to do is look and take a look at he signs by auto pen. Who was signing all this stuff by auto pen? Who would think you signed important documents by auto pen? You know, these are major documents you're signing. You're proud to sign them. You have your signature on something. In 300 years, they say, oh, look, can you imagine? Everything was signed

• 17:55Speaker 10

  by auto pen, almost everything. Nobody's ever heard of such a thing, so it should've never happened.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the HouseMajorityPac.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 19:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's that part. This next one here, watch this one.

• 19:09Speaker 11

  The president also claimed overnight that the pardons issued by former President Biden are void for the January 6th committee members. But the pardon power in the Constitution for the president is absolute.

• 19:18Speaker 12

  It is. And by the way, that there's no indication that President Biden signed these with an auto pen. That's what President Trump is arguing, that this were signed with an auto pen and therefore they're not valid. We don't know that they were signed with an auto pen. But even if they were, it's unclear that that would be an issue. In fact, President Bush, back in 2005, the White House did a study on this and determined that even orders signed with an auto pen are valid orders. That proposition's never been tested in court. I guess the big question here, though, George, is does this imply that President Trump wants to actually prosecute members of the January 6th committee?

• 19:59Speaker 05

  Hopefully. Hopefully. They did something illegal, which it looks like they did.

• 20:03Adam Sosnick?

  So, you know, we always have a conversation about what hill you're willing to die on, right? I'm pretty sure I know what yours is. I know what yours is. I know what yours is. For me, this is not something I'm willing to die on. For me. I'd actually be very interested in knowing if our audience truly cares about this. What's my point? Trump did not campaign on this type of thing. Trump, in his first 60 days in office, has done so much. Shutting down the border, illegal immigration, tariffs, trade wars, mass deportations, executive orders, getting out of unfair trade deals, drill, baby, drill, Doge, everything that's going on. We're seeing what's going on in the markets. Inflation's creeping up. Stock market's going down. Crypto's going down again.

• 20:48Adam Sosnick?

  Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Hamas, the Houthis. And we're going to throw in a little bit of this auto pen? I get why someone like Vinnie... I think it was 10% of our audience. 11.5, whatever. I'm rounding down. Yeah. This was something they cared about. This is not something I care about. What I want to understand is, do you think Trump's base genuinely, genuinely, genuinely wants him to focus on this? Because I'm the type of person, it's like, who the hell's even thinking of sleepy Joe Biden at this point? And we also know one thing that Trump loves his own signature.

• 21:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait a minute, but here's the thing. What do you mean by focusing on this?

• 21:27Adam Sosnick?

  Well, we had a hundred stories we can talk about today, and we're starting with this.

• 21:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think, why do you think, uh, the Barry Weiss clip, uh, in DC during January 20th, when she sat down with Speaker Johnson, why do you think that clip was all over the place? Why do you think tens of millions of Americans were interested in what happened and what Speaker Johnson said to Barry Weiss? Why do you think, why do you think when Speaker Johnson told the story, when he said, he asked, President Biden asked Kamala, Hakeem Jeffries, and Schumer to step outside, and he says, "Mr. President, you signed this." He says, "I never signed this. I never agreed to this." He says, "No, no, you signed this." Why do you think tens of millions of people were interested in that clip?

• 22:11Adam Sosnick?

  Good point, because it sort of proved the point that maybe Joe Biden.

• 22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Bingo.

• 22:15Adam Sosnick?

  Maybe.

• 22:16Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 22:17Adam Sosnick?

  But are we really breaking news here that we think Joe Biden was competent? We know that.

• 22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I get it, yeah. I, listen, I understand you like being dramatic, okay, but hear me out here. Hear me out here.

• 22:27Adam Sosnick?

  I'm very chilled, man.

• 22:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I don't mind. Listen, I've been with you for, you've been here for a while, so, but this is the question. That ought to give, and by the way, as a president or a leader of a company, this is what you do. Your, your, your job, and this is what Trump does very well. Here's what Trump does. Hey, guess what, guys? What? You know?

• 22:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And he uses key words, may, if, what if, let's look into it. And then he throws it out there to the people, okay? And he just sees, okay, guess what happened to that story? Nobody cared about that story, right? And it just kinda goes.

• 23:05Speaker 05

  I understand.

• 23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Then he goes boom, drops the next one, and then all of a sudden, boom, okay, there's something here. Why did they react the way they did? If the media reacts increasingly frustrated and scared to this, he rattled them and he keeps going.

• 23:19Speaker 05

  Great point.

• 23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what, so he's playing that, he's not focused on this. This is just something he's playing with the opposition. That's again, my opinion, I could be wrong and you could be right. I'm just giving you my interpretation of what I think is going on here.

• 23:31Speaker 05

  But, but I don't know, here's the thing, and I, and I understand, it's not hills to die. And I remember when we were talking about, uh, Joe Biden and helping Israel and helping all these other places. And it was, I think, it might've been you saying that, you know, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. This isn't, like he just said, a huge thing, but there's a, there's a line in the movie JFK, uh, that, uh, Kevin Costner says, he's, he's playing, uh, the Attorney General Garrison. He says, let justice be done, though the heavens fall, which is a, uh, it was a Latin legal term that's basically says, meaning justice must be served, no matter the consequences and no matter what the hell happens, okay? Dr. Fauci, Mr. Fauci, think about this for a second, Adam. All the lies that he did in front of Congress, all the people that are affected. I saw a video yesterday, Pat, that choked me up.

• 24:17Speaker 05

  It's this girl that's just laying in bed, shaking, cause she's vaccine injured, because of people like that, that lied to the American people, families ruined, military people kicked out of the freaking military, lives destroyed. And I'm just harping on just him. Yes, we won, if it was, he was pardoned for doing what? Like, what, what did they think was gonna happen? He got pre-pardoned for not doing anything, because why? Trump and them were gonna weaponize the justice system? No, that's the type of shit that drives me crazy. And Mark Milley being a general, saying that if Trump gave the order to attack, you would go behind his back and say no, that's treason. You're a general. So I think, you can walk and chew gum at the same time. He has a million things going on, but appoint the right people.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  To go, dude, it doesn't take a genius to go, there's Joe Biden's signature. These are all the same ones. It's not him. Go to the Supreme Court and reverse this shit because we want accountability. Plain and simple. That's it.

• 25:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's that story. Again, watch this. Do you care if Joe Biden uses an auto pen?

• 25:17Adam Sosnick?

  That's a horrible poll, though. What I would have asked is, is it in your top three? Is it in your top five? No offense, Rob. That's what I would like to know. Do you care? Yeah, I care. But it's not in my top 10. So that to me isn't.

• 25:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You're, no, no, guys, you're not making any sense. We're gonna move on.

• 25:33Adam Sosnick?

  That makes complete sense.

• 25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you're not. You just went from, is it in your top three? Is it in your top five? It is in the top 10? So you don't even know what question you want to ask.

• 25:40Adam Sosnick?

  No, I know exactly what I want to ask. I'm gonna die on this hill right now.

• 25:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, do it.

• 25:45Adam Sosnick?

  This is not, in my opinion, in the average American's top three, top five, top 10.

• 25:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, if, if you had a person, say your mother, let me kind of bring this personal to you. Say you lived in a blue state, which you don't, and say you're independent libertarian or a conservative. Okay, you lived in a blue state and your mother's at a hospital somewhere. And it's during COVID. She's not doing well. She's got two weeks left to live. Say you have kids, her grandkids, your nephew. The hospital says, you can't come see her. She passes away without you being allowed to go see her? I guarantee you that would be in your top three. That's the difference.

• 26:32Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, it would.

• 26:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, but you are not the average person. You're a guy that doesn't have a car. You're not the average American.

• 26:39Adam Sosnick?

  What the hell does that have to do with this situation?

• 26:41Patrick Bet-David?

  An anomaly. You're not the average person.

• 26:43Adam Sosnick?

  That's true.

• 26:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You are not the average person. The average person went through a lot of these pain. They went through this. They fought on this. By the way, remember, you just became a supporter. You were not in 2020. 2020, you voted for Biden. The people that are pissed off about this is because they voted for Trump in 2020 and saw what happened. You did not. You just came through here in the last couple of years. Not even couple of years, 18 months. But think about, try.

• 27:09Adam Sosnick?

  So did Elon Musk. So did Joe Rogan.

• 27:11Patrick Bet-David?

  But they, but.

• 27:12Adam Sosnick?

  What's your point? That I can't support the president but also not support this?

• 27:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody is saying that. But there's, look, for example, do you care, is the transgender stuff in your top three?

• 27:22Adam Sosnick?

  I mean that woke shit, I ain't playing that game.

• 27:24Patrick Bet-David?

  But is that in your top three?

• 27:25Adam Sosnick?

  Transgender, no, but a man pretending he's a woman?

• 27:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you.

• 27:28Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 27:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think transgender is in Elon Musk's top three?

• 27:32Adam Sosnick?

  I think it is.

• 27:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Why?

• 27:33Adam Sosnick?

  Because it's part of the woke mind.

• 27:34Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the kid.

• 27:35Adam Sosnick?

  And one of his kids, my tranny.

• 27:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Your positioning is an insult to the audience for what they're going through.

• 27:41Adam Sosnick?

  I don't think it's an insult.

• 27:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody has a different thing they're experiencing. There's a reason why this is landing the way it is with people. It's because people want to find out why the hell a Fauci got immunity. And immunity for what? You didn't commit any crime yet, why are they giving you immunity?

• 27:57Adam Sosnick?

  Bingo.

• 27:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it because of a future crime? Is it born, what is that movie?

• 28:01Adam Sosnick?

  Minority Report.

• 28:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what it is? What is it? Let's find out about it. That's all people are saying. So, by the way, we could go back to Tom's first thought when he said, if this goes to Supreme Court and this goes 5-4, done. This is bad news if it goes that route. I hope it does. And if it doesn't, it is what it is. It means there wasn't much interest in it, but I hope President Trump and his camp takes it to that level. Okay, next one. Rob, I got a clip from Elon Musk sitting down with Ted Cruz. If you can go to it, Rob. Elon Musk, do you have that clip, Rob?

• 28:33Adam Sosnick?

  I don't.

• 28:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Do I, did I send it here? Oh, I have it in my notes. If you go in my notes, here, I'll just send it to you. It's all the way at the top. You have to watch this because this is very, very interesting. Very interesting when it comes down to this. Okay, so if you watch this part here with Elon Musk. Folks, it's 2 minutes and 30 seconds, give or take. I want you to watch every word. By the way, earlier in a clip of this podcast, Ted Cruz asked him, who do you think is the smartest man in the world? And he said Larry Ellison, he said first. Then he said Larry Page. Then he gave credit to Jeff Bezos and he gave credit to a couple of other people. And then he comes back and he says, but to be a smart human being today is going to be nothing in 10 years.

• 29:18Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 29:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so it was very interesting how he put it. But I want you to watch this here. Watch this here. And then the last question he asks him about what's going to happen with AI and robots in the next 10, and the answer he gives him, Ted Cruz is flabbergasted. Watch this clip. Go for it.

• 29:34Speaker 13

  In 10 years, probably AI could do anything better than a human can cognitively. Probably almost, I think in 10 years, based on the current rate of improvement, AI will be smarter than the smartest human. Keep watching. There will also be a massive number of robots.

• 29:53Speaker 14

  By the way, I gotta ask, how come your robots look so much like the creepy robots for my robot? Was that intentional or just?

• 30:00Speaker 13

  I was hoping he was gonna say, "Yeah, just to mess with you."

• 30:04Speaker 13

  It's not meant to look like any prior robot. And we'll iterate the design. A lot of the robot parts are cosmetic. You'll be able to switch out the, kind of snap-on cosmetic parts of the robot, make it look like something else if you'd like. So, there'll be ultimately billions of humanoid robots. All cars will be self-driving.

• 30:26Speaker 14

  In ten years?

• 30:27Speaker 13

  In ten years, probably ninety percent of miles driven will be autonomous.

• 30:34Speaker 14

  Huh, wow, that fast?

• 30:35Speaker 13

  Yeah, like that? Yeah. In five years, probably fifty percent of all miles driven will be autonomous.

• 30:42Speaker 14

  Now, if AI will be smarter than any person, how many jobs go away because of that? And what do people do if you've got billions of people, they're losing their jobs? Like that, a lot of people are understandably freaked out about that.

• 30:56Speaker 13

  Well, goods and services will become as close to free. So, it's not as though people will be wanting in terms of goods and services.

• 31:06Speaker 14

  So, why is that? Why are goods and services free in an AI world? Or close to free?

• 31:12Speaker 13

  Well, you have, I don't know, what, tens of billions of robots? They will make you anything or provide any service you want for basically next to nothing. It's not that people will be, will have a lower standard of living. They'll have actually a much higher standard of living. But the challenge will be fulfillment. How do you derive fulfillment and meaning in life? Keep watching.

• 31:33Speaker 14

  Is Skynet real? Like you get the apocalyptic visions of AI. How real is the prospect of killer robots annihilating humanity?

• 31:45Speaker 13

  Watch this. Twenty percent likely, maybe ten percent.

• 31:49Speaker 14

  On what timeframe?

• 31:50Speaker 13

  Five to ten years.

• 31:52Speaker 14

  So soon, like you see a world where that's possible?

• 31:57Speaker 13

  Yeah, but I mean, you could look at it like the glass is eighty, ninety percent full. Meaning like eighty percent likely will have extreme prosperity for all.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Let me explain something to you. That's scary as hell. That 20% because he wanted to say 20, maybe a little bit more. 20% chance that these things are gonna go, you don't tell me what to do and then we're just.

• 32:21Speaker 05

  Man, you better start getting some cool ass robots in your life, like protective robots.

• 32:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Think about it this way. If if facts are what you care about, who can do a better debate than chat GPT versus Grok?

• 32:33Speaker 05

  No, that's what facts.

• 32:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Facts is what you care about.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  That's that.

• 32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And and you just want it. No personality.

• 32:39Speaker 05

  Zero.

• 32:39Patrick Bet-David?

  No emotion, no being wrong, none of that stuff. It it what what other debate would you want to see about Grok versus chat? What if there's a podcast that AI is able to create that chat GPT debates Grok? And it's playing 24/7.

• 32:55Speaker 05

  I would watch it.

• 32:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You would ask a video and they they they debate each other on the topic.

• 32:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Think about that.

• 33:00Speaker 05

  That's that's sick.

• 33:01Patrick Bet-David?

  That's sick. That's what's coming soon. And by the way, the average and a regular person can take this idea right now. And do it. Any topic you throw, you look at both of them. Any topic, you throw both of them, see what they say. Meaning that's the direction you're going with debates, conversations, robots. They're gonna be able to build robots that can dunk from half court. What is that gonna mean?

• 33:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:25Patrick Bet-David?

  When you go to a game. Tom, what are your thoughts about what Musk said here?

• 33:28Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, he's talking about the progression and. Excuse me. And so when you take a look at the um, there's a couple of laws out there. There's Moore's law. And it's basically that the power of a semiconductor keeps doubling and that the power of the network keeps doubling. Well, when you look at that, what what what happens is you you come to a logical end here and all he's doing is saying, hey, guess what? Autonomous cars, five years, 50% of all miles driven will be autonomous. You know, 90% of all miles driven in 10 years will be autonomous. That's just a natural progression of autonomous cars.

• 34:07Tom Ellsworth?

  They're more fuel efficient. You have all the reasons to do it. Will that mean that you you can't have a sports car from the 60s in your garage? No, you still have that. But we're talking about total miles, you know, driven and commute and everything. That's just extrapolation.

• 34:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Where the extrapolation gets a little scary for people is the question of similar, we have malware that gets wrapped in a bot and then sent off to cause havoc with networks and go steal people's ID and do things like that. Now you take that element, now put that on robots, what if there's bad people making robots? And the difference between bots and robots, robots are physical and they can do assembly and stuff and bots usually things that will operate on the internet. And so it gets a little nerve wracking when you go to the last one there to say, well, could a bad person have robots, physical robots, doing bad things the same way bad people

• 35:06Tom Ellsworth?

  are using malware and bots right now to run around the internet and do bad things? And the answer is yes. Well, guess what? Shortly after Orville and Wilbur got us into the air, the Wright brothers, somebody said, you know, if we have too many planes in the air, there needs to be somebody guiding them. There needs to be somebody controlling them. And that's where you put in laws and controls and the FAA to control planes so that they're orderly. So I think you're also going to see the controlling side of it.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I took away a couple of things, Pat. Well, first of all, the first thing that popped in my head is the generation that's now, because 10 years is going to come like this, what were you talking about? In 15 years, we're going to be 65.

• 35:50Tom Ellsworth?

  20 years.

• 35:51Speaker 05

  So, I mean, so just, and it hit me just for like my nieces and my nephews and Pat's kids and Rob's kids, like, they better be studying in fields that these robots can't take their jobs. That's the first thing that popped in my head. Figure out what, because even when you said, even podcasting, you could put two robots and just have them go out and have the conclusion afterwards. But then my mind went, he said billions of these robots, and we're already seeing the robots that guys are dating. You saw the like, the virtual, have you seen those things?

• 36:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Did you get one yet?

• 36:18Speaker 05

  Not yet, it's on back order. But listen, what I'm saying is these people are going to be dating, Adam, and then can you imagine the fighting and the cops being called to the house? And the robot's like, he hit me. And it's like, no, I didn't. Like, you know what I mean? Like, robots fighting?

• 36:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Watch the camera.

• 36:32Speaker 05

  And then the jury of your peers, if there's a billion robots, are they going to be, are lawyers going to be, like, it's, the possibilities are endless and it's exciting, but it's scary as hell at the same time.

• 36:44Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you something, uh, based on what Elon Musk just said about basically killer robots and we're all gonna basically be done in the next 20 years or so, I kinda understand why people are, uh, Scared? Scared of hell of Elon Musk and starting to hate Musk. You know, all the liberals loved him when he was doing the green energy thing. He was a hero to them. All of a sudden he gets on the Trump train, they hate the guy. All he's doing is identifying waste, fraud and abuse that Bernie Sanders was railing about for years. And then the Neuralink, people are like, so you're gonna be putting chips in people's heads, then they can just become human computers? It's very scary. I remember when the internet first popped up in like the mid 90s and I literally asked my buddy, I was like, "Look dude, what's the difference

• 37:27Adam Sosnick?

  between the internet and email?" And he's like, you know, he had to literally explain it to me because it was all new to me. Mind boggling, of course. All new to me. Social media, alright, I get it, kinda, alright, did with that. Crypto shows up, we were like, "I don't even know what a bitcoin is or a blockchain or a biddy pop, got no clue what's going on." Now this? Scary. AI? Imagine an old lady, it's like, "I am a robot." Yeah, it's over. It's unbelievable. But what I want to understand from you, Pat, is what are you telling 10-year-olds to do now, 12-year-olds to do now, 18-year-olds to do now? Because for a lot of men out there, colleges defunct, get into trades, learn to be a plumber, HVAC technician, whatever. That works.

• 38:10Adam Sosnick?

  Work with your hands. I don't think robots are gonna be doing that. Uber drivers are gonna be out the door, UBI, Andrew Ying Yang in this thing, people might be collecting checks, but what do you do if you're a teenager or a five-year-old or 10-year-old? What does that future look like in your estimation?

• 38:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, first of all, just think about it this way. Tom, question for you. We are out of town, okay? Dylan was at an academy for soccer and we're out of town, we're staying at this place and... You know, one night, we're playing Gin Rami. It's 9:30 at night. Tom has this famous alarm going off that he says he controls. And it keeps going off, and the phone is about to blow up at this point because it's getting pissed off at Tom saying, "Move, get the hell out of the way, go to your room."

• 38:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Ludicrous.

• 38:52Patrick Bet-David?

  They all disappear, okay? They go sit there and they start watching Formula One. The practice race. It's Friday night, right? And it is such a beautiful thing when you see the Els- Elswords, how much they love Formula One as a family. You can ask Brooke or Bailey anything about Formula One, they're gonna give you a very educated answer because the father is a big Formula One guy. So, Tom, go to 2040. And Formula One drivers are robots. Are you interested?

• 39:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Nope.

• 39:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you interested?

• 39:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Nope.

• 39:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 39:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, because, you know, human achievement is possible because of the human, you know, putting together skill and performing under pressure and maximizing their skills. And, you know, the missed three free throw with one second to go in a basketball game is exciting. And it's who's, what, what a word, we put words on it. He's a gamer, he's clutch. And we look at all those things and it's the same in Formula One. It's like, who has the focus, drive, intensity and confidence to keep it on the track and make that pass and win? And who's there?

• 40:08Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I don't want to watch robots running near perfect laps. I want to watch the human condition.

• 40:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Why though? Why, why is that such a big deal?

• 40:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Because I'm human!

• 40:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly, but why else though? Why else? You know, because human beings.

• 40:24Tom Ellsworth?

  It's like reality programming, how do I know they're not?

• 40:27Adam Sosnick?

  They're not socialist letting every robot win once.

• 40:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the record for the mile, Rob? What's the fastest a mile was ever ran? I know Roger Bannister was the first.

• 40:36Adam Sosnick?

  Under four, under three.

• 40:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it 347? I don't know what the number is, one mile.

• 40:40Adam Sosnick?

  One mile, 325. No, no, one mile.

• 40:42Tom Ellsworth?

  We're into the 340s.

• 40:43Patrick Bet-David?

  340, 340...

• 40:46Tom Ellsworth?

  343.

• 40:46Patrick Bet-David?

  343, okay, I was four seconds wrong, okay. You know how fast that is? That's very fast.

• 40:51Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way, El Giroux, this is 24 years ago, he is like the, he is freaking the, you know, Michael Jordan of track, El Giroux, and he did that 25 years ago.

• 41:00Adam Sosnick?

  Everybody knows El Giroux is the Michael Jordan of track. Obviously.

• 41:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So anyway, so, so you think about 343. Now, let me ask you a question. Tomorrow, a story breaks that a robot ran a mile in 49 seconds.

• 41:14Adam Sosnick?

  I don't care.

• 41:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't care?

• 41:15Adam Sosnick?

  I don't care.

• 41:15Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point.

• 41:16Adam Sosnick?

  It's a machine.

• 41:17Patrick Bet-David?

  So, meaning, the, the, where I'm going with this is, everything Elon is saying is right. About the fact that, you know, we could be going in a direction that that can happen. And robots, if they chose to, whoever has control of all the robots, they can light it up and they can destroy your life. I do believe that, and, and I do believe, uh, he is, uh, he's the one to watch the next 30 years. Not, not anybody else. I think he's the one to watch the next 30 years. Good, bad, ugly, whatever you want to call it. Let me finish my thought. So, good, bad, ugly, no matter, he, he's the one to watch. Having said that, if, if I ask right now, who has the most facts? No one cares.

• 41:58Adam Sosnick?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No one cares. I, I, I was told this pastor that knows the Bible verbatim, you tell him whatever verse, he knows every word in the Bible, he's memorized it all. So, I went to his church, there was 80 people at the church.

• 42:10Adam Sosnick?

  No passion, right?

• 42:11Patrick Bet-David?

  He's been there for 20 years. He has all the facts. But then you go and you see somebody that's telling a story, that you're hearing about what they had to overcome, the pain of being a human being. Look.

• 42:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Running a business is very hard. Dana, there was a clip about Dana White with people leaving the business and talking trash about Dana. And I was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can say all you want. Go try running a business, see how hard it is." "Go ahead, go go." "I want to be a business owner because I want to control my hours." "Yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go run a business, see how hard it is." Marriage is hard. Raising kids, hard. Taking care of your health is hard. Being a human is hard. There's nothing hard about being a robot. Somebody made you and they can add additional chips to you and you can go out there and get better. Rob, can you do me a favor, Rob? Before you go to this, just to tell you how much he makes sense with what he's talking about. Rob, I have a clip here on one of the stories, Rob, if you can go to it.

• 43:06Patrick Bet-David?

  It's the clip on the last one, point number 13 in my notes, I'll just text it to you. That says "Price of a computer." Just to kind of put things in perspective, to see how far we've come along. Okay, I just sent it to you. This is a clip from 1989. How long ago is 1989? Thirty-six years ago.

• 43:22Speaker 15

  Thirty-six years.

• 43:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, you're gonna love this clip because in 89, I mean, you're IBM, you're in the space. I guarantee you, Tom's gonna be able to explain every one of these computers to you here in a minute. Watch this. This is 89. Price of computers, they're presenting this, Rob, if you can raise the volume and zoom in a little bit. Okay, go for it.

• 43:40Speaker 16

  Real quick, what's the prices here on these three machines we've seen? Keith? Uh, this one's, uh, list price at $49.99. This one goes for, uh, 95 or 11 grand. Okay. That's depending on the drive, Kevin.

• 43:52Speaker 15

  95,000!

• 43:53Speaker 16

  Without modem, 2 megabytes, 40 megabyte hard disk. And, uh, $84.99. That gets definitely fed. Uh, this is equivalent to an IBM AT. This is a 12 megahertz 286. It's got a 287 socket. It's got a 20 megabyte hard drive. A 3.5 inch floppy. This is an EGA compatible screen. It's got 16 grayscale. It's upon the back here. You've got all your standard ports. There's external video for an EGA monitor, 2 serial ports. Um, it's also got a space here for a modem, which would be this kind of modem here.

• 44:23Speaker 15

  In addition to the desktop features like removable keyboard, uh, and all the ports and full complement of memory, we have a tremendously viewable fluorescent screen here. And if you, if you notice, I'm running, uh, Microsoft Windows and Excel here. And, and the spotting of the cursor is, is something that does move quite well across the screen.

• 44:42Speaker 16

  Real, real quick, what's...

• 44:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, you see that. Okay, but just so you know. That was Tom. This iPhone has one terabyte. He says that computer has two megabytes. Two megabytes.

• 44:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Twenty megabyte hard drive. Hey, Rob, do me a favor. Do eleven thousand dollars nineteen eighty-nine today.

• 45:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Twenty-five thousand dollars. They did it in the story on the bottom.

• 45:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, okay.

• 45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so is in a terabyte. Watch this. Terabyte. Yeah, look at that. Twenty-eight thousand dollars, right? Do you know how many megabytes are in a terabyte? Vinnie?

• 45:17Tom Ellsworth?

  How many? Say it again.

• 45:18Patrick Bet-David?

  He said that thing has two megabytes. That big machine had two megabytes.

• 45:23Patrick Bet-David?

  This has one million forty-eight thousand megabytes.

• 45:26Tom Ellsworth?

  What?

• 45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So think about from fitting it in that machine to this. So for us to sit here and think about what is gonna happen with technology come five, ten years from now, the pace that we have today.

• 45:35Tom Ellsworth?

  It's crazy.

• 45:36Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna be crazy. But at the end of the day, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you're gonna wanna watch people that you relate to, to see their flaws, their mistakes, their... There is, there's a level of attractiveness in people's flaws. There's a level of attractiveness in people's, what's the word I'm looking for? Not, vulnerabilities, insecurities, in their...

• 46:01Tom Ellsworth?

  In their comeback.

• 46:02Patrick Bet-David?

  In their comeback, but in their, like, you watch them, you're like, man, that's, he has a weakness.

• 46:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 46:07Patrick Bet-David?

  That's cool.

• 46:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 46:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, when you watch Michael after the first championship he won when he came back after his father died?

• 46:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, crying.

• 46:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And you watch that video, and the guy's like, get out.

• 46:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, leave him alone.

• 46:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's crying like a little boy.

• 46:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 46:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause he misses his dad.

• 46:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 46:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You're never gonna get emotional with a robot.

• 46:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 46:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So to me, the only, right there, that's the clip. I don't know, Rob, if you can, he's crying so bad. He's shaking, crying so bad. He ran out so quickly, cause all he's thinking about is his dad. Bro, he misses his dad. You think a robot's gonna miss his dad?

• 46:44Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 46:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that, so, but, the, the part that we have to be thinking about, and, and I'll give the answer for you as well, is... Whoever controls the most robots, man, they are a force to be reckoned with. They can do whatever they want and they can look at you and they can choose to destroy anyone's life without ever getting caught. They can, they can destroy your life without it ever being a crime. Hi. Did you understand what I just said? Oh, 100%. They can destroy your life without it ever being a crime, ever being a crime. They can hire a robot to program to come and kill anybody and then when they do. Glitch. You can take the chip out and that thing is gone and nobody can find out why that

• 47:29Patrick Bet-David?

  robot walked up in the middle of the street and go to that place and just hit him in the face and killed him. Glitch, it was a glitch, whatever. Nobody goes to jail. Nope. So there is no 1980s, the mob where guys are going to jail for murders they did. We're gonna go into this era and you're gonna see people that are gonna wanna live in certain communities, okay? Communities are gonna matter, security's gonna matter, it's gonna be a very different life. So it doesn't seem like out of the, you know, so yes, getting involved in technology, getting involved in AI. That's scary. Encouraging your kids to have certain jobs and careers that there's a form of entertainment, there's a form of, a, a way that people are gonna be admiring in human beings, so it's either super technical skills that has to do with tech and engineering, or it's something

• 48:11Patrick Bet-David?

  that has to do with super, with personality that's attractive that people are gonna wanna be, because that's your insurance policy. Man, I am so, but intelligence, like brain smarts, the value of having brain smarts today is going lower and lower and lower. Yep. It's just to be able to manage the AI and manage the robots. If you can do that, you're ahead of the game. Okay, let's go to the next story here. Uh, Rob, can you go to, uh, can you go to the Bill Maher, Don Lemon clip? Let's go to the Bill Maher, Don Lemon clip. This is Bill Maher and Don Lemon together, he's on a podcast, and he is talking about African Americans who are MAGA, and I like what Bill said at the end. I actually like what Bill said at the end to Don Lemon. Go ahead and play this clip, go for it.

• 48:55Speaker 17

  It's the same thing that I, when I see not all black Republicans, but I see a black MAGA person who is carrying Donald Trump's water and they know that he's lying, it is the shortest line to the front. Because i- if you're black and you're whatever, any, you're just in line with a bunch of other Democrats that are doing the same thing that, that you're doing. But if you become a black MAGA person, it's like, whoa, let's book this person, let's put him on television. So you don't think you can be a sincere black MAGA person? But no, I, no, I just said, I, I don't think that, I just said, I think there can be sincere Republicans. But you can't be a sincere black Republican? I don't think that you can, I don't think that you can be a rational MAGA, be black and be a rational MAGA person. I think you can be black and be a Republican.

• 49:40Speaker 17

  I think they would find that very insulting. Well, I mean, the truth is often insulting.

• 49:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Such a frigging.

• 49:45Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but by the way, there's a word for that, what he just said. And it starts with the letter R, ends with the letter T. I think there's a word for that. I can't, I can't put, I can't get the words in the middle of it.

• 49:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Is it, is the second letter an A or an E? Cause I might go E.

• 49:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Re? It, it, it's an R A C I. How does this go?

• 50:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Racist?

• 50:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what it's called. But anyway, so Tom, what do you think about this? What do you think about Don Lemon, what he's saying about Bill?

• 50:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Well.

• 50:13Patrick Bet-David?

  About, about black MAGA.

• 50:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Don Lemon, now into chapter three of Damn It, I'm Relevant Tour, he should get t-shirts, um, is, is basically saying some really outrageous things because he, he's off the leash. He's not controlled by a producer, he's not controlled by CNN, and he's out there. And at times he'll say something that sounds halfway rational, meds on, and then he says things like this, which I think are really offensive. You know, if you were, if you were Hispanic, or white, or whatever, and you had lost your job in media, and you're going around saying somewhat outlandish things, getting on podcasts, you'd be pilloried for this stuff. Instead, he's allowed to say it. And I think it's really insulting.

• 50:59Tom Ellsworth?

  He's, he's basically, you know, projecting intent on a class of people. Oh, if they feel this way, then this. That's terrible. Those people, first of all, they don't speak as a group. They speak as individuals. And as individuals, they may be of a similar mindset on certain things. But to me, it's just, he's taking a race of people and saying, if, okay, black MAGA, that means this, and drawing a conclusion and laying it out. If anybody else did this, except this struggling former talking head, who's seeking, you know, trying to find, you know, relevance. You know, I'd love, actually, and I'll tell you something. I'd love to sit down and talk to him about it. I'd love to sit down, Don, what are you doing? How do you go from A to B?

• 51:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Where, where, where does the career go? Where does this go? Because these things sound crazy, Don. And I wish he would sit down with somebody rational and actually have that conversation. Because what I see here objectively, I think it's kind of offensive.

• 51:56Adam Sosnick?

  Adam. I mean, Don, just keep doing you, buddy. This is, this is working out real well for you. The, the, um, the inability to actually just understand how people are thinking. So, what, black people can't? When, when you're thinking MAGA, he's just so caught up. He has TDS. He's just thinking MAGA, racist, red hat. It stands for Make America Great Again. America first. You want to shut down the border. You want a great economy. You want people to be held accountable. You don't think men should be in women's sports. You want to find waste, fraud, and abuse. You, you believe in Doge. You don't think that little kids should be chopping off their limbs in order to transition.

• 52:40Adam Sosnick?

  You don't have to be any particular color, any particular race, any particular religion to believe in those things. So the fact that he still thinks that this is how a black person should think just shows that he's still playing the identity politics game. No wonder that the Democratic Party's approval is at literally an all time low. Literally, I don't know if we have those. Because of people like it because of people like this. They're not willing to say, maybe I should go back to the drawing board. Maybe I should think a little bit differently. Maybe Trump and the Republicans have won the popular vote for the first time in 20 years. Why, how did Trump win every single swing state?

• 53:24Adam Sosnick?

  We saw what Stephen A. Smith did when he basically lectured and informed Joy Behar, the fake Bette Midler on The View when she said, it's not, it's, why is it a mandate? He's like, I'm gonna tell you why it's a mandate. They're, they have Stockholm syndrome and I don't know. I don't see him coming out of it anytime soon.

• 53:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so watch this. So this is, this is Don Lemon 2013, okay? He's explaining five ways to fix our community. This is Don Lemon 2013, 13 years ago. Keep in mind CNN hired him, I believe in 06, 05, something like that. It's late 2000s, mid 2000s when CNN hired him, right? Watch how he explains about talking to black people on how to clean up your act. This is Don Lemon, go ahead, Rob.

• 54:05Speaker 18

  Because black people, if you really want to fix the problem, here's just five things that you should think about doing. Here's number five, and if, if, if this doesn't apply to you, if you're not doing this, then it doesn't apply to you. I'm not talking about you. Here's number five, pull up your pants. Some people, a lot of them black, gave me flack for saying that recently on the Wendy Williams.

• 54:25Adam Sosnick?

  Sounds like a MAGA guy.

• 54:27Speaker 18

  If you're sagging, it means I think it's your self-esteem is sagging and who you are as a person. It's sagging. Young people need to be taught respect and there are rules.

• 54:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, Don.

• 54:38Adam Sosnick?

  Don, what a radical.

• 54:40Speaker 18

  Whether it's Justin Bieber or no name Derek around the way, walking around with your ass and your underwear showing is not okay. In fact, it comes from prison when they take away belts from the prisoner so that they can't make a weapon. And then it evolved into which role a prisoner would have during male on male prison sex.

• 55:00Adam Sosnick?

  What she knows about.

• 55:00Speaker 18

  The woman with the really low pants is a submissive one. You get my point? Number four now is the N-word.

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• 55:39Speaker 19

  For our generation, what we did was we took the word and we took the power out of that word.

• 55:44Speaker 20

  We took this word and we made it into poetry.

• 55:51Speaker 18

  I understand poetic license, but consider this. I hosted a special on the N-word, suggesting that black people stop using it and that entertainers stop deluding yourselves or themselves and others that you're somehow taking the word back.

• 56:06Speaker 18

  By promoting the use of that word when it's not germane to the conversation, have you ever considered that you may just be perpetuating the stereotype the master intended? Acting like a nigger. A lot of African-Americans took offense to that too, and I wondered if I gave the right advice, I really did. But confirmation came the very next day on my way home when I exited the subway on 125th Street in Harlem. This little kid in a school uniform, no older than seven years old, he was crying his eyes out as he walked down the sidewalk with his mother. I'm gonna be honest here. She turned to him and she said, "I'm sick of you, you act like an old ass man. Stop all that crying, nigger." Isn't that taking the word back? Think about that. Now, number three. Respect where you live. Start small by not dropping trash, littering in your own communities. I've lived in several predominantly white neighborhoods in my life. I rarely, if ever, witness people littering. I live in Harlem now, it's an historically black neighborhood. Every single day I see adults and children dropping their trash on the ground.

• 56:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So you can pause right there. By the way, you can watch this whole thing. It's phenomenal, okay? What happened to them? It's called working at a place for as long as you did until all of a sudden you're thinking everything they're saying is right, and it's not. Rob, can you show the clip of CNN showing how low the Democratic approval rating is? The lowest since CNN's been measuring it for 30 years. This is what Adam was talking about earlier. If you can find that clip, Rob, watch this, folks. This is CNN. I can't believe it. Reporting on Democrats. So it doesn't get, you can't, a Democrat can't come in, question this because it's CNN reporting it. This is their channel that they go to that's at all the airports. Go for it, Rob.

• 57:31Speaker 21

  Welcome to Inside Politics Sunday. I'm Manu Raju. First up this morning, a brand new exclusive CNN poll that paints a brutal reality for Democrats as they struggle to mount a unified opposition to President Trump. Americans' favorable views of the Democratic Party's brand are at a record low, just 29%. That's compared to 36% for Republicans. It is the lowest ever recorded for Democrats in CNN polling, going back more than 30 years. As you can see, the party's numbers dropping a staggering 20 points in just four years. The CNN SRS poll also found 57% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters are more interested

• 58:12Speaker 21

  in seeing their party leaders stop the GOP agenda, compared to 42% who are more interested in cutting bipartisan...

• 58:20Tom Ellsworth?

  What's really interesting here is that even with core Democrats, from the moment that Biden was inaugurated in 2021 to now, core Dems, they've dropped 20 points. So the core Dems are the ones that are not Bernie, but not mid. They are core liberals. They've dropped 20% in their own approval rating of their own party and what it used to stand for. And what has happened? In this fight to find relevance, all you've done is gone to feelings and enabled positions. You didn't have facts. You didn't have... Let me back up one thing. Sometimes they had facts.

• 59:04Tom Ellsworth?

  In the Green New Deal, they talked about, "Let's reduce CO2" and things like that. So I didn't agree with the Green New Deal at all. I thought it was wasteful. But at least they had some level of, "Hey, CO2, we want to move from here to here." And they had some numbers, some things that they wanted to run with. But when you run on these feelings and enablement and take power away from parents and kids and the woke agenda, everybody sits back and all of a sudden, guess what? We hear the front door open, Dad's home, and his name is Common Sense. And everyone goes, "Hey, Dad, Dad's home." And he's like, "What the hell is this?" And that's what's happening. into the Democrat Party. People have looked at it.

• 59:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Look at the Dems that didn't vote for that basket of nothing during the election. Look at the ones that didn't vote. We've talked about them. I won't take time talking about here about all the groups and all the shifts and all the counties and everything. But why did they move? They moved toward facts and reason and away from feelings and enablement and frankly, made up positions.

• 1:00:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Tom Ellsworth?

  And now they look at the Democrat Party and they're like, America, remember this is the America poll, America wide, you're sitting there at 29% lowest ever. Guess what? Common sense came home.

• 1:00:21Speaker 05

  I'm obviously, Tom, great point. I'm not surprised by this. It was only a matter of time. We keep saying, we told you so. It's only, you know, bad policies, bad decisions. This is the type of stuff that happens. But now my thing is watch the adjustment. Watch what now they have to do because they have, they're playing this game. Democrats are not going to go away. Okay, they're going to have to adjust, but I want everybody out there to know, do not be fooled by these people, okay? The Jasmine Crockett's with one of her eyes that's just, she has an east-west eye. One of them's going crazy. AOC, Gavin Newsom being on a podcast, I tell people, I'm happy, let Charlie Kirk go on there, everybody, don't let them fool you because now they're trying to make themselves seem as if they're, yeah, they're for the people and everything. Once they're in, they're going to do the same shit that they've been doing this entire

• 1:01:06Speaker 05

  time. Okay, so we aren't going to be, because think about it, we're not going to be in charge forever. This movement, we're hope to God, it's not going to be there forever. These people, there's going to be a change, there's going to be a flip. Do not be fooled by them coming in because they're going to go back to the same policies. And that's what scares me, Tom, is everything that Trump's doing, everything with the prisoners, everything with the border, everything with the economy, everything with terrorists and everything. God forbid, in three years, four years, we lose, okay? And then a Gavin Newsom comes in? What's going to happen? Everything is going to flip back the other way. Everything. So do not be fooled by these people.

• 1:01:39Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, watch this. So while we're talking about this and Don Lemon is saying what he's saying about boys, okay, that's controversial. Anthony Mackie in this video may seem like a MAGA. He probably is not a MAGA person.

• 1:01:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, he's definitely not.

• 1:01:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But if you watch this video here, look what he says about raising boys and folks in Hollywood and many feminists were furious with this clip here. Rob, go ahead and play this clip.

• 1:02:01Speaker 22

  In the past 20 years, we've, we've been living through the death of the American male. They have literally killed masculinity in our homes and our communities. For one reason or another. But I raised my boys to be young men. And however you feel about that, you feel about that. But my boys will always be respectful. They will always say, yes, sir, yes, ma'am, no, sir, no, ma'am. They will always say, thank you. They will always open a door for a lady. They will always make sure that their mother is taken care and provided for. They will always be men. And that's always since they were two years old. Every time I left for a job, I tell my 15 year old, you the man of the house. You make sure these doors are locked every night. This alarm is on. You text me or you call me every night before you go to bed and you wake up.

• 1:02:47Speaker 22

  I love that. Because we're men.

• 1:02:50Speaker 22

  If I'm not there to protect, he got to be there to protect. Because you can have all the money in the world, motherfucker climb through the window. That money means nothing. You can have all the celebrity in the world, motherfucker jump through the door, that celebrity means nothing. So you got to have a little, a little guard in there. You know, and so for me, it's always that idea of American masculinity is very different. You feel it when you go to Europe. Like you see these, and you're like.

• 1:03:15Speaker 22

  Bust your ass. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? You go to Europe. Tight ass pants. Yeah, tight ass pants. Motherfucker, boy, you got a lotion in your ankles. Like you, you, you feel it when you go to Europe. Even when you, like, I was just in Kenya and I was walking around, I'm like. Yeah. Dude was like, you ain't from here. Like nah. Like, yeah, yeah, I could tell. I know you can. I could tell I ain't from here. You know what I mean? It's just that, that American male masculinity is something I think is very important for boys. Because now our little boys are afraid to fail, so they don't try. In the past 20 years.

• 1:03:56Speaker 05

  So you don't try. What a line.

• 1:03:59Adam Sosnick?

  I love this. Can I, can I go in on this for a second?

• 1:04:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, go for it.

• 1:04:03Adam Sosnick?

  So Anthony Mackie, respect to you, bro. By the way, do you think that he voted for Obama in 08? Probably. You bet he did. Yep. Do you think he voted for Trump in 2024? I don't think so. I think he did. I think he did, but it just shows how far, whether it's black, white, Hispanic, Latino, Asian, whatever it is, men have fallen away from the Democratic Party. So, there's a couple of things I want to unpack. Did you ever see him talk about when he make daddy a sandwich? Hold on Rob, before you play that. Don Lemon, by the way, Rob, I sent you a couple of pictures. In 2016-ish, I had the opportunity to go to the White House Correspondents Dinner. And I met everybody. Do you have any of those pics, Rob?

• 1:04:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm gonna have to grab them, give me a second.

• 1:04:47Adam Sosnick?

  I met Wolf Blitzer, Bret Baer, I met all the different ladies from CNN, Pam Brown, and I met Don Lemon. And I had great conversations with all these people. It was a great opportunity. And Trump had just won, and you saw how possessed they were. And that seeps into things. But you know, Pat wrote a book, you guys might have heard of it, it's called Your Next Five Moves. Rule number one is know yourself, right? Who do you want to be? Rule number two is what? The ability to reason, master the ability to reason. Don Lemon's not doing that. He doesn't have the ability to reason right now. Here's Don Lemon, do you have any of those other pictures? What a beautiful couple.

• 1:05:27Speaker 05

  What a nice couple.

• 1:05:28Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, he paid for dinner, so there was nice, thank you, bro. I love how, I sent Rob, I sent Rob five pictures, this is the one he pulled up, thanks, bro. Looks like a very loving weekend.

• 1:05:36Speaker 06

  Send them before the show next time.

• 1:05:37Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 1:05:39Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you, Rob. This was, this was the, the year that- He was in the bathroom. Hassan Minaj was like, I do not see Steve Bannon, I don't not see Steve Bannon, not see Steve Bannon, not see-

• 1:05:55Speaker 05

  Hassan Minaj, what a horrible person.

• 1:05:56Adam Sosnick?

  Rob, you can pull up the other pictures at any point, guy. So, but Anthony Mackie went famous, he went viral about the make daddy a sandwich clip, did you hear that? Yeah, of course. Okay, I don't know if we can play that real quick. But when a man is doing all these things- Play it, Rob, it's actually a very good clip. Play the clip.

• 1:06:12Speaker 22

  You make daddy a sandwich?

• 1:06:17Speaker 22

  Most of the time. No, no, no, no. Let me ask you this. Well, okay, let me ask you this. If me and you out, and somebody say something slick to you. You punch him in the face. You want me to smack him in his mouth, right? Yep, that's right. So if I take you on a date, and I say, "Look, baby, we gonna go Dutch." No. Exactly. If we walking up to the car, and I don't open your car door, what do you say? Open the door. You better believe it. Yeah, no, I, I am with you. I think that... So you make Daddy a sandwich? So you make Daddy a sandwich?

• 1:06:46Speaker 05

  Oh, by the way, he, he did not support Donald Trump in 2016, so I don't know if it's changed or not. I'm just throwing that out there.

• 1:06:52Adam Sosnick?

  Well, a lot of people didn't support Trump in 16, but a lot of people did in 2024. By the way, you ever been, you ever spent a lot of time in Europe? I know you have.

• 1:06:59Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:07:00Adam Sosnick?

  You know, my...

• 1:07:01Speaker 05

  I love America.

• 1:07:01Adam Sosnick?

  My first wife, she was British. So I'd spend time in London, we'd go to Paris, we'd go to Italy. He's absolutely right about the difference between American John Wayne type thing versus maybe, uh...

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  The croissant.

• 1:07:14Adam Sosnick?

  Maybe, I love the French, they love French women.

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  C'est ma passion.

• 1:07:17Adam Sosnick?

  But did you see what Theo Von had to say about the French?

• 1:07:19Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:07:20Adam Sosnick?

  Go ahead, play this clip, please.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  You saw this?

• 1:07:23Speaker 23

  I like the French, I'll be honest with you. If you put 70 French people in front of me, I don't like them. They just, the way they, they're like, "Moi, yeah, hmm, you're the one, yeah, no, no, no, no." It sound like, "Uh," you just wanna, just pat them on the fucking back, boy. I just wanna spray paint my hair in red, white, and blue, and pat them bitches on the back, and get the fucking truth out of them. What are you trying to say?

• 1:07:50Speaker 23

  It sounds like Japanese, but they fucking got their, but they're, uh, nasaled out or something. It sound like somebody hit a bunch of cotton in a Japanese dude. He's so stupid.

• 1:08:03Speaker 23

  Theo's so dumb. Aw, dude, you just can't get, it sound like somebody just e-jacking out in the, just, just somebody just got stuck ejaculate.

• 1:08:11Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, alright, maybe, maybe we can cut it off now, Rob.

• 1:08:14Speaker 23

  Oh, he is so stupid.

• 1:08:15Adam Sosnick?

  It's amazing. But Anthony Mackie, respect to you. Oh, by the way, here's some of the other people I was with, Bret Baer.

• 1:08:21Speaker 05

  He's lost weight.

• 1:08:22Adam Sosnick?

  Look, he looks great now. He's getting one of the probably most respected journalists out there.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Adam Sosnick?

  You have any other, Rob? Wolf Blitzer, I, I don't, at the time, he was respected.

• 1:08:31Speaker 05

  Adam, go the beard back. Bring the beard back.

• 1:08:32Adam Sosnick?

  And then the lovely ladies of CNN, you, you, you, you're all fake news, but you're pretty damn attractive, especially the one in the... Anyway.

• 1:08:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, alright, are you, did you get that out of your system? Rob, thank you for.

• 1:08:45Speaker 20

  Rob, thank you for last minute.

• 1:08:47Adam Sosnick?

  New, new, new, new.

• 1:08:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Bobby Lee says, hey, Theo, act like you're my daddy. Oh, Bobby.

• 1:09:02Adam Sosnick?

  Did you see the clip? Did you see the clip when he started talking about like Trump and China and the trade wars? He's like, man, so as a, you know, how do you feel? He's like.

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  I'm Korean.

• 1:09:13Adam Sosnick?

  He's like, do you, do you think I'm Chinese? He's like, I've known you for 20 years. You, he's like, honestly, man, I don't know what you are, buddy. You have that clip?

• 1:09:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Nah, it's okay. What you, is this the Bobby? That can't go listen to this all the time.

• 1:09:30Speaker 20

  I'm your dad, I'm your son.

• 1:09:31Speaker 23

  Okay.

• 1:09:32Speaker 20

  Hey, Dan.

• 1:09:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Bobby.

• 1:09:37Speaker 23

  Sorry, just do it like me?

• 1:09:40Speaker 20

  You don't have to have an Asian accent.

• 1:09:44Adam Sosnick?

  Yes, you do.

• 1:09:44Speaker 20

  I know, no, no, no, you're you.

• 1:09:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, Rob, I can, I can watch that on repeat over and over and over. Alright, let's go to this next clip here. So, story comes out from Media Matters. Media Matters is not happy with what happened in 2024. And Media Matters is forced to write an article titled, "The Right Dominates The Online Media Ecosystem, Seeping Into Sports, Comedy, And Other Supposedly Non-Political Spaces." Okay, notice the key word was what? Supposedly. Other political spaces. So, let's read this article, see what Media Matters has to say about it. Uh, Media Matters study of 320 online shows found that right wing, uh, right-leaning ones like Joe Rogan, uh, with 39.9 million followers dominates with 486, uh, 480 million total followers

• 1:10:31Patrick Bet-David?

  across platforms nearly five times.

• 1:10:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Left-leaning shows holding 82% of the 584 million UFC's Dana White praised their election role saying, "I want to thank the boys, Aiden Ross, Theo Von, Bussin' with the Boys, and a mighty and powerful Joe Rogan," as nine out of the top 10, including Ben Shapiro's 25 million, "Lean Right." The right-leaning show seep into non-political spaces with 72% of the 111 shows, like comedy Joe Rogan, Full Sun Podcast, pushing ideological content despite 42% of the 191 right-leaning shows being news-focused. Bloomberg's analytics of YouTubers like Patrick Bedavid, "Above all, the broadcasters described American men as victims of a Democratic campaign to strip them from their power," while Pew noted 31%

• 1:11:17Patrick Bet-David?

  trust podcasts over traditional news, up from 2016. So, it's interesting, Rob, if you can go to the two charts. So, watch this. If you zoom this in a little bit, if you zoom this in a little bit, and you'll see who they have there. You got Charlie Kirk there, you got Brandon Tatum, you got Graham Allen, Full Sun Podcast, Glenn Beck, Nick, who is that? I can't see their last name. What is the last name? Freitas? Nick where? Freitas. Then you got Aiden Ross, Ben Shapiro, you got Young Turks 12 million, Midas Touch, Megyn Kelly, who is that? Is that us on the bottom left? Patrick Bedavid, another guy. 10 points. Rob, do we know what they're calculating on the count? Temple, Benny Johnson, Russell Brand, Dan Bongino. By the way, the guy stopped this whole thing just to go out

• 1:12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  there and serve his country. Can you imagine what an honorable thing that is to do? Tucker Carlson, you got Judicial Watch, Pierce Morgan, Phil McGraw, Candace Owens, Lex Friedman, Dinesh D'Souza. Go a little bit higher to see who's on the top. Who's up there? Jordan Peterson, Steven Crowder, Theo Von, Matt Walsh. Okay, impulsive. And then if you go to the one with topics, this is very interesting. If you can go to the next one that has to do with topics. There's another one that they, yeah, keep going, keep going, keep going, you'll see it. Keep going a little bit more. It's the next one, right there. So, right-leaning and left-leaning shows by ideological, non-political categories, okay? So, blue, left-leaning shows, sports, culture, 16.2, comedy, 8.1, entertainment, 1.8, technology, 0.9, education,

• 1:12:42Patrick Bet-David?

  0.9. Okay, then you have red, gaming, 1.8, sports, 2.7, business, 2.7, technology, wellness, entertainment, 6.3, religion and spirituality, 9.9, comedy, 13.5, societal and cultural, 22%.

• 1:12:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, why do you think this is happening?

• 1:13:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I feel like I'm watching, and I was just trying to look it up. I feel like I'm watching a replay now in the podcast space of what the liberals were saying about talk radio in the 80s and 90s. We don't understand. This Rush Limbaugh guy has gone bonkers. You know, this Hugh Hewitt guy in Southern California has gone bonkers. You saw the guys who were out there, and there was a guy that was out there 80s and 90s in LA, Tom Leicas, was trying to be the liberal voice. But then he became a male pig. We started talking about how to get laid and all these things like this. He was the original red pill guy. He's one of them, for sure. That's right. But guess what? He wasn't talking about political things as much as all of a sudden, the women were

• 1:13:44Tom Ellsworth?

  like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're not going to the women's side of this. So I feel like what we just saw there is showing. And guess what happened? They looked at it. And you know what? Rush Limbaugh was getting people riled up, talking about what the Democrats were doing to, tell me if this sounds familiar, education, the economy.

• 1:14:07Speaker 12

  Weird.

• 1:14:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Guess what? And all manner of things. And people like Hugh Hewitt, who wrote a bunch of books and things that came around behind him, and that led to Glenn Beck. And why did these right-wing conservative guys become so big in talk radio? Because people wanted to listen to it, and it was common sense. And I come back to that again. That's where it was. It wasn't that Rush Limbaugh was a super dynamic speaker. He was a very average speaker, but a powerful message. And that's what's happened. I feel like we're looking now, and now they're looking at it now, saying, I don't understand this. All these conservative-leaning guys that have really strong voices, you know, and now in the podcasting space, I don't understand it.

• 1:14:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Just wipe the names off the dot and go back to talk radio in the 80s and 90s. It's history repeating itself. The average citizen wants what the conservatives have to say. And if you just give it a generation, and then pull back all the liberal control that they've put into... The the media ownership, guess what happens? I don't get it. And then Fox bad, Fox bad, Fox bad. Because they're the only place on the block where you could get what you want.

• 1:15:18Speaker 05

  And he made a great point. Look, look at from from this chart, from this polling or whatever media matters. It doesn't matter because they don't give a damn. Uh, look at nothing about religion or spirituality, zero, nothing. Okay, entertainment, we're killing it. Our comedies up by how many more percent? Because you gotta take, you can't take yourself serious, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.

• 1:15:36Tom Ellsworth?

  The largest slices in the blue.

• 1:15:38Speaker 05

  And the society and culture.

• 1:15:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Woke.

• 1:15:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, the woke and that's exactly it. That's why the Don Lemons and all this shit. And that's why Don flipped sides and became this type of person to bow down to these people because his masters told him to do it. But look at that, look at how much more shit we're talking about.

• 1:15:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not how it is. The way you gotta look at it is, that's not the way to look at it. You have to look at it as their pies a quarter, right?

• 1:16:00Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:16:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So whatever number it's shown on the top, right, you have to multiply their, treat their quarter as a hundred percent.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:16:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you treat their quarter as a hundred percent, their sixteen point two is really sixteen point two times four. So it's sixty.

• 1:16:15Speaker 05

  That's a lot.

• 1:16:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it is. So they're all about societal and culture. We're not. We're twenty two.

• 1:16:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So so their comedy is times four, thirty two. Our comedy is thirteen and a half. Their entertainment is times four. Say whatever is seven percent or their technologies. So we're spending more time on certain things than they are.

• 1:16:32Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:16:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Education is the same. Uh, uh, you know, we're talking religion and spirituality. They're not.

• 1:16:40Speaker 05

  They're not at all.

• 1:16:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Talking, uh, uh, you know, we're talking, uh.

• 1:16:44Speaker 05

  Health and wellness?

• 1:16:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. Uh, I don't know where health and wellness is six point three. You don't even see them there.

• 1:16:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So but they're spending a lot of times on society and I have an idea here, but Adam, your thoughts?

• 1:16:55Tom Ellsworth?

  So when was this poll run? Like, how many years does it cover? Is it just one year? Is it a span?

• 1:16:59Speaker 06

  Says at the bottom, uh, it doesn't say a time from a study of three hundred and twenty online shows with a right leaning or left leaning ideological bent. Uh, including a hundred and eleven shows that self identify on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. So it doesn't give an actual timeframe.

• 1:17:13Tom Ellsworth?

  There's there goes the self identify thing. But you know what I find interesting?

• 1:17:18Adam Sosnick?

  I suspect four years from now, this pie chart will look a lot different because the center right or even right wing media outlets, podcasts, shows certainly had a massive boost under the Biden administration. My assumption is, under the Trump administration, a lot more left-leaning podcasts are gonna find their voice. You know, we talked about that the Democratic Party's approval rating is at an all-time low, and they give a certain percentage of how much they want to basically rail against the Republican agenda, the MAGA agenda. So we're gonna see how this chart flips, but I believe every second of it. You know what I find the most interesting here, though? The biggest segments of both are culture and comedy.

• 1:18:03Adam Sosnick?

  I don't see any funny shit coming out of the left these days. Jimmy Kimmel, the late-night shows, Fallon, a little bit, Colbert. I mean, it's genuinely sad to see the comedy that's coming out of the left.

• 1:18:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Kimmel became painful, by your words, during the election.

• 1:18:21Adam Sosnick?

  Painful. Seth Meyers, and they're not changing. That's the craziest thing. Vinnie, you know, literally a professional comedian. Me, not so professional, but a comedian. Pat, I think you're gonna do your first stand-up comedy one of these days, but...

• 1:18:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm hoping for Vinnie.

• 1:18:38Adam Sosnick?

  But look at Theo Von, about how freaking funny he is by pushing the envelope, making fun of people, doing accents. That's what comes... Bobby son! I think you showed a clip the other day about, in living color, a guy doing, I think it was Damon Wayans, your boy, doing a character called Handyman.

• 1:18:59Speaker 05

  Oh, Handyman, yeah.

• 1:19:00Adam Sosnick?

  Up, up, away! Oh, no!

• 1:19:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But you know what it is, though? If you go back to that chart, I noticed one thing, and let me tell you what it is. You know what I noticed? Value taming. That's what I noticed. The people on the right are value tainers. Yup. They bring value, they entertain, and it's becoming a movement, period. So I'll look at somebody and say, that's a value tainer. Meaning, he, he has value tainment in him. Joe Rogan, value tainment.

• 1:19:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You got, uh, Theo Von, I don't know if he's value tainment. I think he's a lot of tainment. Okay, he's just pure tainment, but every once in a while, he asks questions that makes you think. But the left, you don't see a lot of value tainment. Nope. It's victim, it's unfair, it's this, it's that. So on, on what you're saying, the fact that you're thinking it's gonna split, or if it's not. Let me tell you what's going on. I thought, and I'm being very honest with you. I thought, under Trump, CNN, MSNBC, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence, I thought they were gonna blow up under Trump. Because they have so, no, right now. Right now. I thought they have so much to criticize. Yes. Do you see what Lawrence Donald said?

• 1:20:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's Lawrence O'Donnell, taking break, he says, "I'm exhausted." At day 52 of Trump administration, Rob, go ahead and play this clip. And Rob found out something the other day. Remember when, when we did the math of Rachel Maddow, how much they're paying her, and it's not worth it? I think because she's got so much dirt on him, that she's threatening him, that she's gonna go out? And I thought she was only working once a day. Rob found out some stuff that maybe, you know, that I, I said I was right, and then I thought I was wrong. And then Rob's like, no, you were actually right on what you were saying with the days, because the way it's working out, Rob, I'll tell you here in a second. Rob, if you can play this clip here, with what Lawrence O'Donnell is saying. It's very interesting, go for it.

• 1:20:48Speaker 24

  Well, here's the thing. This is day 52, I thought it was day 92. It turns out it's day 52, Rachel, and I'm exhausted at day 52. And so, I, I'm gonna take next week off. And I'm, I'm telling you that now, because I know you don't like it when I just drift away, and I don't, but just taking next week off, then I couldn't, then I come back.

• 1:21:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. And he's serious. What did you learn about Rachel Maddow?

• 1:21:16Speaker 06

  So Rachel Maddow's contract, the one that she had a $30 million contract, they renegotiated it down to $25 million a year. That $25 million a year is for a once a week episode with the exception of the first 100 days of Donald Trump's presidency in which Rachel Maddow has contractually obligated or committed to broadcasting nightly on MSNBC. But once that 100 days is done, she goes back to $25 million a year for one night a week, an hour long show.

• 1:21:44Speaker 05

  Unbelievable. And not, and obviously, listen, in their eyes, she's worth it, but with all this numbers, all the Democrats, all this, well, it's shifting. How can they in their right mind still keep paying her that? I don't understand, Tom. Can you explain that to me?

• 1:21:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, I can't explain the economics of it. Um, I can only, I can only tell you that for the last two Allen conferences where everybody wears their vests and goes up into, you know, the ski resort and all the media people get together. Um, by the way-

• 1:22:16Patrick Bet-David?

  This is an ask for PT. That's right. Go ahead, keep going.

• 1:22:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, and so, and so, basically, you know, I'm not making fun of it, I'm kinda, just kinda jabbing at it a little bit. But during that conference, there's a lot of technology that's talked, there's a lot of very meaningful stuff that affects our lives is talked about. But guess what? You know, there's been two guys walking around, one of them trying to sell MSNBC, CNBC, and a bunch of other channels. Hey, we're gonna spin them off as a package, you wanna buy it? And you've had David, what, Zaz as they call him, the Warner Brothers owner of CNN, has been trying to sell CNN. And the good news, by the way, I had to make a conclusion from two different stories I read, so I can't say that I, that someone said this exactly.

• 1:23:04Tom Ellsworth?

  But I'll tell you what I inferred, and I believe I was making a fair inference of it. They love the fact that Caitlin Collins- is only on a three and a half million dollar contract and she's actually holding her own as an anchor in the seat but they love the fact that she's three and a half million you know why because when they go to the next guy hey guess what and when you buy CNN you get Caitlin Collins and she's on a rookie contract you know we've been having to chop everybody else's contract and we and we took uh Jim Acosta we moved in midnight made him quit it was such a cool trick you know and we got rid of that contract and we cut we're cutting everybody else we cut Tapper we cut all these people but guess what you get the rookie in the uh in the anchor chair and she could doesn't cost much what about Anderson Cooper we're gonna cut him too but we gotta wait we need an opportunity to do it that's

• 1:23:46Tom Ellsworth?

  what's going on and now Lawrence O'Donnell is out there and by the way if you don't read literature you won't understand this like Don Quixote he's wore he's worn out because what did Don Quixote do he hallucinated and he thought the windmills were monsters and he kept attacking the windmills until he kept falling off his horse well guess what Lawrence O'Donnell you've turned things into you're hallucinating and now you're really tired of it you're tired of what you're tired of trying to find a point you're gonna make you know and you know what come sit down on the podcast explain to us we'd love to hear it where do you think this goes where do you think this ends Lawrence but you're exhausted because you're exhausted doing something that's not getting any traction

• 1:24:29Tom Ellsworth?

  it's no wonder you're exhausted I believe I believe him

• 1:24:32Patrick Bet-David?

  here's a question here's a question Tom why did the right do so well under Biden why why and by the way and by the way here's the other part why did CNN do so well under Trump the first time around

• 1:24:46Speaker 05

  with Trump it was fear it was the end of the world it was Hitler it was he's gonna end everything he's gonna start the war it was Russia collusion Russia agent bullshit

• 1:24:54Tom Ellsworth?

  and the administration could have executed better with greater clarity on some key points

• 1:24:59Patrick Bet-David?

  sure because there was a lot of people you know the swamp and all this other stuff

• 1:25:02Tom Ellsworth?

  a lot of people were getting fired going in and out

• 1:25:03Patrick Bet-David?

  but the but so the only reason they're not exceeding is why they would be exceeding if what

• 1:25:10Speaker 05

  if we couldn't get the if they couldn't get the actual facts out and the public couldn't talk about it one of my things like

• 1:25:15Tom Ellsworth?

  if there was something truly negative to hit that the American people would believe

• 1:25:19Patrick Bet-David?

  the point is the games are no longer working and they don't have another play in their playbook The playbook is fear. The playbook is games. The playbook is fantasies. The playbook is he is gonna start World War III. The playbook is that and it's no longer working.

• 1:25:40Adam Sosnick?

  Trans will lose their rights.

• 1:25:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Their business models on three C words. Conflict, controversy, change. What do you, so you can go after girls. Cause you did that in 2015, 2016. You, you try to do with E. Jean Carroll and Cara McDougall and whatever you want to go through. All those girls that you want to, okay.

• 1:25:57Adam Sosnick?

  Stormy Daniels.

• 1:25:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't go through the money stuff. That didn't work. You can't do the DOJ stuff. That didn't work. What are you gonna do next? You, you have to understand this is like a dramatic, dramatic play. Because it's like a sports team. When you go in with Bill Belichick and you got some of these great coaches, Bill Walsh. You go through their playbook, boom, bunch of plays. When you go through Vince Lombardi, he was known for the one play. That he would go and do 12 hour sessions and teach the coaches in 12 hours for one play. You know what the play was called? The play was called the sweep, I want to say, if I'm not mistaken.

• 1:26:31Adam Sosnick?

  It was a rushing play.

• 1:26:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, it was a rushing play. And he would teach every coach on this one play. Until eventually got, what happened to some teams?

• 1:26:39Tom Ellsworth?

  The defense adjusted.

• 1:26:40Patrick Bet-David?

  The, the defense adjusted like shit. This is not gonna work all the time anymore, right? But it's a great play that they did. CNN has one play. What is it? Spread rumors, talk trash, put fear, you know, propagandas. And this is what's gonna work for us. Okay, and then let's all say the same thing. And then they tried it, they tried it, they tried it. Now they're sitting there saying, guys, what is our next playbook? They have to literally, boom.

• 1:27:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Pelosi.

• 1:27:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Get rid of their playbook and move on. But they don't want to do it. The Don Lemons, what's he still saying on Bill Maher? Blacks can't be MAGA and be rational, right? Well, they would find it insulting. Well, yet the truth is insulting. The truth is offensive, right? They're, they don't know how to pivot and adjust today. And they're trying to see why. So it's gonna be challenging. Adam.

• 1:27:27Adam Sosnick?

  I was just gonna say one thing. You said that David, I think Zaslov, Zas is the CEO of CNN. I think it became Mark Thompson, but I thought.

• 1:27:35Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no. He's Warner Brothers Discovery that owns the whole stack.

• 1:27:39Adam Sosnick?

  I thought, exactly. I thought that the new CEO of CNN is Scott Jennings. According to PBD.

• 1:27:45Patrick Bet-David?

  It is. He's the CEO. He's the best CEO they got.

• 1:27:48Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:27:48Patrick Bet-David?

  They may as well hire that guy.

• 1:27:49Adam Sosnick?

  I just want to confirm that that's my sources are correct.

• 1:27:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Forgive me.

• 1:27:52Adam Sosnick?

  According to reliable sources from what I hear on CNN.

• 1:27:55Patrick Bet-David?

  He owns CNN right now. Scott Jennings is the owner of CNN, but a different kind of an owner. Not the kind of an owner that we're thinking shareholders. He owns. As in you got owned.

• 1:28:05Adam Sosnick?

  Like make daddy a sandwich type of owner.

• 1:28:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Like everybody in CNN needs to make him a sandwich every day he comes in. I don't care what kind of a sandwich it is. If it's like a lobster roll, make it. Salami, do it. Martadella, go for it. Goat cheese, do it. Juptha. Anything and everything.

• 1:28:22Adam Sosnick?

  Well, you have a sandwich as PBD.

• 1:28:23Patrick Bet-David?

  For daddy, Scott Jennings. So, yes, he's, he's, he's the guy that's, that's got that thing going on over there. Anyways, let's go to next story here. Next story I want to get to is with the auto pan, let's go to tariffs. Canadians latest plan to hit America where it hurts. You ready for this, folks? You're gonna think I'm joking. I'm serious. When I, when, yesterday I kept asking these guys if this was a joke or not. And they're not joking, folks. This is a Daily Mail story, okay? Canada angered by an escalating trade war with the US are pushing to ban Canadian-owned adult site Pornhub in America.

• 1:29:07Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:29:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Where it draws nearly 40% of its traffic as a retaliatory strike.

• 1:29:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Matthew Puzitsky, a Canadian who's gone viral, called it Canada's secret nuke, and a mic drop moment, told the New York Post, "If Canada would ban Pornhub in the States, we win the trade war." That's it. There is no trade. Rob, is this the clip, Rob?

• 1:30:05Speaker 06

  Yes, so what this originally started out with was this comedian, he was joking around and made a skit. That skit then caused people in Toronto to create a petition to actually have the government of Canada ban Pornhub. But the guy was just joking around. Here's the clip.

• 1:30:18Patrick Bet-David?

  That's so funny. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:30:19Speaker 25

  Okay, everybody, the Americans are hitting us with tariffs. We gotta fight back. What do you got? We can shut down every single Tim Hortons they have in the US. Nobody likes Tims anymore. Taste like piss. What else? Okay, what about Lululemon? That's Canadian? Okay, now we're talking. Keep going. All right, here's one. Pornhub. That's Canadian? Yep, Pornhub is Canadian. You're telling me we had to nuke this whole time and no one told me about it? Yeah, we can totally just ban Pornhub in the States and that'll give us an advantage, right? Oh, you don't say, "Yeah, that's an advantage. We fucking win." That's it. Mic drop. What else are they gonna do? NIT?

• 1:30:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, so this gets people to actually want to do it? Tell me you're joking, Rob.

• 1:31:03Speaker 06

  No, that's, so it caused a guy in Toronto to create the petition that he wrote for the Canadian government.

• 1:31:09Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the Mark O'Limpo guy?

• 1:31:10Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:31:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Mark O'Limpo followed stating, "This petition urges the Canadian federal government to enact legislation restricting Pornhub services." Services?

• 1:31:21Patrick Bet-David?

  "Primarily adult content streaming from being accessed within the United States, though it's only generated 52 signatures so far." Okay, can you imagine how embarrassing that is, by the way? Tom, you said, "Yeah, thoughts on this?" What are your thoughts on this story? I'm actually really curious your angle.

• 1:31:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I feel like I just fell into an ancient Seinfeld episode. You remember Soup Nazi? That was the name of the episode. Remember that?

• 1:31:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course. No soup for you.

• 1:31:45Tom Ellsworth?

  This is, "No boobs for you." You know, this is like Canadian Canada, right? No boobs for you. So, so let's do an economic case study. Step one, the government says, "Great idea. Turn off Pornhub to the United States." Step two, two weeks later, "Hey, why are the tax receipts down coming to our government?" Uh, because Pornhub lost 70% of its business and is not paying taxes on 70% they didn't collect. Oh, so we, so we shut down the site that's all about screwing and we screwed ourselves? Yes, sir, we did. Yeah. Aw, man. So if you really play this out, it's, it's, it's just a horribly, horribly bad idea. But what, it says something else about what's, what's going on below the surface. What's going on below the surface, the reason the comedy's coming out, reason things are coming

• 1:32:30Tom Ellsworth?

  out, because there is a lot of common sense. You look at the same kind of polls like Grass Musson, you can look in the US, and there are common sense Canadians that are saying, wait a minute, why are we picking this, why are we choosing to escalate this fight? Why are we choosing to do this? We need to be careful here. And there's, there's a related Canadian story, if I can go to it real quick, Pat? Go for it. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, go for it. Canada is turning to K Street. Now, whenever you hear K Street, you should translate in your mind, highly overpaid lobbyist in Washington DC. K Street is where all the big lobbying companies that have, you know, all of the senators and congressmen on speed dial, and they know exactly what buttons to push, they know who's on, on where.

• 1:33:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, guess what? Canada's states, they're called provinces. Canada has 10 provinces and 3 territories, 13 states, basically. Sure. So, one of them is Saskatchewan, which has a ton of oil. And their governor, think of it like a Newsom or a DeSantis, the guy there, a premier, they call their governors premiers, so Premier Scott Mo called Louisiana and said, hey, you know what? I really like you, you like me, let's make sure these energy trade things that we're doing keep going along smoothly, because it helps my state. This was followed by Alberta, which is the Texas, it's right in the middle, it's directly north of like Minnesota, Montana, and it's, it is the Texas of Canada.

• 1:33:58Tom Ellsworth?

  It's got a lot of agriculture, a lot of cows, and a lot of oil. So they call Alberta the Texas of Canada. And their premier, Francois Legon, is like, hang on a second, you know, we, we gotta be careful with this, and he's Quebec, by the way, Francois. Quebecois. They, so we've got-

• 1:34:17Adam Sosnick?

  We are here in the US have governors that are receiving phone calls from four of the largest states in Canada saying, hey, on this energy and other stuff thing, let's, let's see if we could work together. After a week ago Doug Ford backed off the electricity tariff in one day because he got slapped by Trump. And so what you're seeing here in the humor of this, you've got common sense Canadians and their governors of their provinces are standing tall and saying, right, even as the government is doing things, these guys are moving around and trying to get common sense into this conversation.

• 1:34:55Speaker 05

  I think, listen, I think if they shut down Pornhub, it'd be a freaking win for us. And I honestly, the site's been caught doing what? Hosting trafficking abuse, straight up crimes, but big tech and our government just let them slide. I think porn is freaking poison. It wrecks confidence. It fries the brain. Testosterone levels in men are down? Good, cancel it. That might, I can care less about them and their stupid tactics. Canada's just like that barking dog at the fence pad that were just like, yeah, it just barks for no reason and never bites. I think that'd be a freaking win. Get rid of freaking porn. I stopped watching it years ago and it's one of the best things that's ever happened in my life.

• 1:35:29Adam Sosnick?

  At least you stopped watching it at least like two or three months.

• 1:35:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, two days ago. Yeah. No, I don't watch porn.

• 1:35:34Adam Sosnick?

  Congrats.

• 1:35:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:35Adam Sosnick?

  Well, Adam's been very quiet.

• 1:35:38Speaker 05

  Adam's been very quiet this whole time.

• 1:35:39Adam Sosnick?

  I didn't want to tell you the truth about what happened. You don't want to see what's on his iPad. Yeah, you don't want to see what's on my iPad right now, I'll tell you that much.

• 1:35:47Speaker 05

  I just made that word up.

• 1:35:47Adam Sosnick?

  But there's certainly economic warfare going on between the United States and basically all of our trading partners, whether it's China, whether it's Mexico, or it's Canada, which is leading to economic nationalism. People basically fighting. I mean, you were going to fly up to Boston to go see a Canadian hockey game against the United States. But Trump feels very strongly that the United States has been taken advantage of for the last 40 years. And what a plan by this Canadian guy to ban Pornhub. By the way, when you ban Pornhub, they're just, another site's just going to pop up.

• 1:36:22Speaker 05

  10,000.

• 1:36:23Adam Sosnick?

  So, I don't see it's, I don't, I don't know how much this is going to escalate. But what's funny was... Justin Trudeau.

• 1:36:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is this a hill you want to die on?

• 1:36:31Adam Sosnick?

  It is.

• 1:36:32Speaker 05

  Adam, why?

• 1:36:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why is it? Tell me, because what I want to know is why is this in your top two?

• 1:36:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, why?

• 1:36:37Adam Sosnick?

  I'll tell you why, Pat, because in his final act of Prime Minister, in addition to banning Pornhub, Justin Trudeau made everybody download Grindr.

• 1:36:46Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:36:47Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, everyone had to do it in Canada. That was his mandate.

• 1:36:49Speaker 05

  Mandate.

• 1:36:50Adam Sosnick?

  Because he's a male feminist.

• 1:36:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:52Adam Sosnick?

  And to the funny people in the chat, yes.

• 1:36:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, his email changed. You can't get him at [email protected]. So he's got to say, find me on Grindr.

• 1:36:59Adam Sosnick?

  That's true. So he gave us all free memberships.

• 1:37:02Patrick Bet-David?

  If they cut that clip of Tom alone, Tom is not on Grindr. I just want to put that for some of the people. That was just a, because sometimes people cut the clips and these videos are played in different places. And they try to look for Tom. That's, that was just a, that's something he just said. Don't, don't, it's not literal. I know.

• 1:37:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I know it's a hill you want to die on, but I don't think it's on Tom's.

• 1:37:20Adam Sosnick?

  But I'm on it.

• 1:37:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's a different story. All right, let's go to the next one. Rob, what is this recent podcast that Adam keeps talking about we should all watch? What's this podcast you guys are promoting?

• 1:37:29Tom Ellsworth?

  I have a promo clip if you'd like me to play.

• 1:37:31Patrick Bet-David?

  This is, this podcast, my favorite podcast.

• 1:37:32Speaker 05

  Adam's been drooling over this.

• 1:37:34Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, no, I'm in the shower. They're with him.

• 1:37:36Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. This is Dylan Mulvaney. Go for it.

• 1:37:52Speaker 05

  Testicles are out!

• 1:37:57Speaker 05

  Bottom boys.

• 1:38:10Speaker 05

  Oh my.

• 1:38:16Patrick Bet-David?

  That was painful.

• 1:38:16Speaker 05

  That dude is crazy, bro.

• 1:38:18Patrick Bet-David?

  On behalf of the audience, we are sorry, okay?

• 1:38:21Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 1:38:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That was tough for many of you. For those of you that left us to go watch the Dylan Mulvaney podcast, congratulations. We, we will miss you. But what a, what a very, like, you know what I'd want to know? I would actually pay to see the profile of viewers of who watches the podcast. I actually want to know, like... Who watches it? What are you watching it for? Mental people. What are the type of people that watch it? Oh, a bunch of dudes that wanna pretend that they're women and that they're victims and that, by the way- What if he becomes their Joe Rogan? Oh my god.

• 1:39:01Adam Sosnick?

  Listen, Pat, I've got a-

• 1:39:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the savior. By the way, can you see Variety or Hollywood Reporter, "The Left Joe Rogan, Dylan Mulvaney"? Can you see that? What category would that be under? The crazy thing is, I could very much see them trying to scream- I agree. This is it, we found him! Dylan Mulvaney is broken up the left. It's here, it's hither, right? Oh, so freaking bad. Anyways, let's go back, let's go to this next story here, because that was that, but guys, we just did that for Adam. Adam wanted to see-

• 1:39:32Adam Sosnick?

  Well, Pat, I have bad news for you, man.

• 1:39:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You're the first guest?

• 1:39:37Adam Sosnick?

  I'm under contract negotiations right now.

• 1:39:40Patrick Bet-David?

  As the co-host?

• 1:39:41Adam Sosnick?

  Listen, if we don't work it out, Pat-

• 1:39:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Please call for a reference.

• 1:39:45Adam Sosnick?

  If we don't work it out, I'm gonna be his new-

• 1:39:46Patrick Bet-David?

  We will give a very good reference for Dylan.

• 1:39:48Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you.

• 1:39:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Could he have not chosen a different name? He's got a-

• 1:39:53Adam Sosnick?

  Cause there's a stud named Dylan that we know.

• 1:39:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so let's go to the next one here. Tom, what is going on with Chuck Schumer? Something happened to you, right, with the infighting? Charlamagne the God says Schumer and Jeffries should step down. The US Senate passed a stopgap funding bill to avert government shutdown. Rob, is this the Charlamagne? Go ahead and play this clip and then, Tom, I'm gonna come to you next. Go for it.

• 1:40:14Speaker 19

  The party of inaction, the Democrats have failed to protect the interest of the American people. And you know why, you know, Dems suck at messaging? Because they never talking about nothing. And they do nothing. So guess what? To me, they all gotta go. Like, like, Dems don't just have a messaging problem, they got a leadership problem. The Chuck Schumers of the world, the Hakeem Jeffries, they should all step down. And any Dem who isn't fighting for the people and standing with the party should be primary. Like, how can you say the bill sucks, but you passing it anyway? Like, you're not gonna even try to, you know, present something different?

• 1:40:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Try and negotiate, nothing? Call him Leonard.

• 1:40:47Speaker 19

  It sucks, but we gonna pass it anyway.

• 1:40:49Speaker 26

  Yeah, that's been the commentary, basically. I think a lot of the world agrees with you on that, because it just seems as though the Democrats can't come together on anything, so-

• 1:40:58Speaker 19

  Ever.

• 1:40:59Speaker 26

  Nothing at all, nope.

• 1:41:01Speaker 19

  What's the point of voting for them? He's just figuring this out?

• 1:41:07Tom Ellsworth?

  She had a hard time with that one.

• 1:41:09Speaker 05

  She had a very, very hard time.

• 1:41:10Tom Ellsworth?

  You know what I like to talk about downstream problems? And that really are caused by upstream problems? Well, everyone's angry at the result. Doggone it, Schumer voted for this. That son of a gun has to go. He needs to be primaried. He has it all this. So, all of the, um, our hero Chuck, that was last week. This week, now Chuck's gotta go. So, I look at that, that's, so that's the polluted pond they're all upset about. And so, you go upstream and you see what happened. What happened was Chuck Schumer was actually thinking strategically. And yes, I use Schumer and strategically in the same sentence.

• 1:41:47Adam Sosnick?

  Can't believe you did that.

• 1:41:48Tom Ellsworth?

  I did. And I'll tell you what he was worried about. He was worried about that if there was a government shutdown, that Trump doesn't have the auto pen. He's just got a lot of pens. Real pens in his hand. And he was worried that there were gonna be executive orders and that they were gonna send Doge out to do a couple of things under emergency orders which were available to the president. So Schumer was worried that Trump and Musk were gonna take executive actions when the government shut down. And basically, I believe Schumer was threatened specifically with that. So, what did Schumer do? He cut the best deal he could on the bill,

• 1:42:33Tom Ellsworth?

  packed some pork in it, got some things for a few constituents, and said, "We gotta go with it. We gotta pass the CR continuing resolution so that the government has enough, um, enough money, enough gas in the tank to keep operating." That's what Schumer did. But everyone lost their mind because they wanted Schumer to do what he did last time. To say, "I'm not cooperating with Trump. You're not gonna do it." Remember the argument they had in front of the fireplace? In the Oval Office? And then Trump finally said, "Chuck, I'll take it. I'll take that one. Make that on me. I'll take that." Remember that?

• 1:43:06Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:43:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, this time, it's a different playing field because Trump... Has changed the playing field, but that's what happened. And so now you got Charlamagne the God and people, guys, you gotta go look upstream and see why Schumer did this. It's because you were getting outplayed. You were getting out negotiated and out positioned. And Schumer was in a corner and he had to do it. And now everybody's coming unglued. And Nancy Pelosi is saying, who knows exactly what happened. She actually breaks ranks and says Chuck should listen to the ladies more. And she's trying to have some relevance and some toss in there. But come on, that's what happened.

• 1:43:45Speaker 05

  And what is Nancy, what's Nancy Pelosi's title right now? Is she anything?

• 1:43:49Adam Sosnick?

  She's just a

• 1:43:50Speaker 05

  She's just a Democrat?

• 1:43:51Adam Sosnick?

  Senior, senior, senior representative.

• 1:43:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Right now, right now, 2.17. I'm sorry, that's your blood alcohol level.

• 1:43:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:58Adam Sosnick?

  Let's be grownups, Tom, come on.

• 1:44:00Speaker 05

  Well, we are, but she's nobody. Who the hell cares what the hell she has to say?

• 1:44:03Adam Sosnick?

  She is, she was the

• 1:44:04Speaker 05

  She was the

• 1:44:05Adam Sosnick?

  Speaker of the House.

• 1:44:06Speaker 05

  She's the has been. Yeah.

• 1:44:07Adam Sosnick?

  She's mostly, she's still pulling the strings, guys. Like when Biden stepped down, she was the person that was like, it's time for you to go. Because you're ruining the down ballot. You might not like her, but you should respect her. She actually has more balls than a lot of people in the Democratic Party.

• 1:44:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, evil.

• 1:44:22Tom Ellsworth?

  And by the way, she didn't come to the microphone and help Chuck Schumer. She sat there and let Chuck Schumer take the shot.

• 1:44:30Adam Sosnick?

  When?

• 1:44:31Tom Ellsworth?

  On the weekend. She came out and said, Chuck, you should really, you should really listen to the ladies. She said that. And so rather than saying, hey,

• 1:44:41Adam Sosnick?

  He's the leader in the Senate.

• 1:44:42Tom Ellsworth?

  She could have said, Chuck's in a tough spot. Chuck's in a tough spot. We think there is an unelected official named Elon Musk that they were going to use executive actions and we had to act and this is what we did. That's what she should have said because that's what she really did. And that's what happened. And now everybody likes Charlamagne the God and everybody is like, oh my gosh, you let us down.

• 1:45:01Adam Sosnick?

  A couple of things, you know, like the hills you're gonna die on. I feel like every two to four to eight years, the same movie comes out again. They're gonna shut the government down. Oh my God, what are we gonna do? And they just raise the debt ceiling. They do a continuing resolution. The only time they shut it down was when Chuck and Nancy were in what you called with, when you were sitting down with President Trump. You said, you know, my favorite part of your entire administration was you went when you went vlog style and he goes, you know what Chuck, I'll take it. I'll own it. And a lot of people basically were out of work for a couple of months. I don't think Chuck wants to be in that situation anymore. This part right here, but um, what I found to be, you want to play that real quick?

• 1:45:49Adam Sosnick?

  That was it. Anyway, so he didn't want round two of that at all. By the way, how old do you think Chuck Schumer is? Look at these two men right here. How old do you think Chuck Schumer is? Best guess?

• 1:46:01Speaker 05

  Eighty-two.

• 1:46:02Adam Sosnick?

  Eighty-two, Tom?

• 1:46:04Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think Schumer is only about seventy-six.

• 1:46:07Adam Sosnick?

  Seventy-six?

• 1:46:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Wow, seventy-four?

• 1:46:10Adam Sosnick?

  Hundred eighty-seven years, yeah. He is four years younger than Donald, than Donald Trump.

• 1:46:15Speaker 05

  He don't look it.

• 1:46:16Adam Sosnick?

  Trump is seventy-eight. This dude looks like Mr. Burns from The Simpsons. Like, he looks like he's falling apart. His glasses have fallen off his face. He probably should step down. He's been, I think, a senator since, I want to say, late nineties, been in the House of Representatives.

• 1:46:29Speaker 05

  He's a grill master though.

• 1:46:31Tom Ellsworth?

  This is when he was making cheeseburgers on a grill that was off.

• 1:46:34Speaker 05

  Off with raw meat and just a big ass block of cheese.

• 1:46:38Tom Ellsworth?

  And you know, you don't put the cheese on there until the burger's basically done.

• 1:46:41Adam Sosnick?

  You tell him, Tom. But here's what I will say.

• 1:46:44Tom Ellsworth?

  He's not wearing a bra.

• 1:46:45Adam Sosnick?

  We're focusing on Chuck Schumer because it's genuinely easy to laugh at. But going back to Charlamagne the God.

• 1:46:52Speaker 05

  Leonard.

• 1:46:52Adam Sosnick?

  We're not talking about who else he called out. He called it a very specific person and that person is the Senate Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries. Insert minority joke, Vinnie.

• 1:47:03Speaker 05

  He's one of the, well, he's one of the worst. He's one of the worst divisive racist type of people.

• 1:47:07Adam Sosnick?

  I'd love to see Hakeem Jeffries go on The Breakfast Club and explain himself. That's what I would love to see. Because...

• 1:47:16Adam Sosnick?

  Charlemagne LaGault had very not so nice words about the Democratic Party, the Democratic establishment at this point. Hakeem Jeffries' establishment as it gets.

• 1:47:25Speaker 05

  You know where Washington, what he had outside of his office? How many flags of BLM LGBTQ rainbow? He's one of that, he's one of those, bro. He's the worst.

• 1:47:33Adam Sosnick?

  Who is it?

• 1:47:34Speaker 05

  Hakeem Jeffries.

• 1:47:35Adam Sosnick?

  Hakeem Jeffries.

• 1:47:36Speaker 05

  We walked by his office.

• 1:47:37Adam Sosnick?

  I'd be interested in seeing that conversation take place in the breakfast.

• 1:47:40Tom Ellsworth?

  I'd be interested in him sitting down and explaining to some rational people, say, were you in a corner? What'd you do there? You're taking shots from your own constituency and some of the leaders in the podcast and everything. What happened, Hakeem? What's the plan? I'd like to hear that.

• 1:47:54Speaker 05

  Zero.

• 1:47:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Ah, let's go to the next story here. Um, we're gonna see what's gonna happen with this one. But Andrew Tate, okay? Cannot hide furious Florida welcome brings back yet more legal trouble. This is The Guardian. Tate, 38 years old, self-styled influencer and his brother Tristan, where they face charges. Tate vented on ex to 10.8 million people writing every day, you don't arrest me proves your clown talking lies for political points. While the lawyer, Joseph McBride, McBride called it a weak attempt to buy lame duck governor to hold on power, targeting DeSantis who declared their toxic masculinity not welcome to Tate dual USA UK.

• 1:48:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Expect a warm US reception from Romania. Lifted travel restrictions amid Trump's administration ties. Donald Trump Jr. dubbed their prior detention absolutely insanity, but instead, Uthmire's probe involving search warrants and subpoenas and seizure of the Tate's electronics fueled Tate's rage evident in a podcast with right wing host Candace Owens where he fumed, I could have chosen anywhere. I could have gone to Thailand. I could have gone to Dubai and this is the welcome I get. Adam, your thoughts?

• 1:49:09Adam Sosnick?

  So Tate ain't gonna stop calling out the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, or the attorney general. Uh, hung out with Tate this weekend. Justin Waller was there. My buddy Chris Humphries was there. Uh, we had a great time. A couple of ladies were there. I think we have an image of that night, but we actually talked about this exact thing because we were in Florida, in Miami. You don't need to play the audio, but we were having a great time. Dre London there, that's Post Malone's manager. We were in Giselle, the restaurant, which is a bubble 11. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Gino. Thank you, Don Laundries. And I said, listen. How do you like Florida? What's going on? By the way, Pat might meet us out at 2 a.m. He's like, Pat's not coming.

• 1:49:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I only do after hours. You told him that?

• 1:49:50Adam Sosnick?

  I said, yeah. He's like, Pat ain't coming.

• 1:49:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Pat ain't coming.

• 1:49:53Adam Sosnick?

  So I'll send you that video. But I said, why do you think they're going after you? Because I said, the most interesting thing that you said on the podcast, there was many things. He was on fire. I said, why are you so angry? He said, you know, typically, the way that it works is you find the crime, and then you try to find the culprit. In this situation, they found the man, and now they're just trying to find a crime. Here's a guy who hasn't been in Florida in six years. You didn't want to open up any investigations? Were there any allegations at any point during the whole Romania situation? The UK has brought up allegations. At no point you wanted to bring this up? Now, I firmly believe if you did something wrong, justice should prevail and will prevail.

• 1:50:38Adam Sosnick?

  Justice is blind. But in my opinion, what's going on in Romania these days? In my opinion, they're slow dripping the fact that they're probably going to set him free. Or you can go travel. You're no longer on house arrest. Because don't forget, Romania is going to have to save face. Again, my opinion. You lock him up, you lock his brother up. You have all these allegations, you completely ruin his entire reputation. And what have you brought? What charges do you have? The UK, nothing is stuck in the UK. So there's a lot of people that are wondering what's going to happen with Tate. Now, on the flip side, I got a lot of hate from my friends, certain people I know. How could you hang out with this person? I don't know. We've had nothing but a good time with Tate.

• 1:51:23Adam Sosnick?

  You're not going to agree with everything anyone says. But every time we've hung out with the guy, we've had a great time. Respectful. People love him, people taking pictures. Absolute gentleman, top G. So I don't think Florida has anything on him. And I don't think anything's going to stick.

• 1:51:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I think this is what people want to know. When?

• 1:51:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom was partying with them on Friday night and the ladies were running. You guys were like hardcore going, you know, club to club.

• 1:51:47Speaker 05

  Tom was rolling on Molly.

• 1:51:49Patrick Bet-David?

  How would it, how did Tate, was there any level of insecurity with the amount of ladies and attention that Tom was getting versus going to, that was my biggest concern.

• 1:51:58Speaker 05

  Were you pissed?

• 1:51:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Because I saw the videos.

• 1:52:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:52:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, guys were asking Tom to sign bras, biz doc and all this EBITDA on different things. How did he handle that?

• 1:52:08Tom Ellsworth?

  It was kinda weird because Tate and I weren't, we're in the VIP. There's like, oh my gosh.

• 1:52:13Speaker 05

  How many girls?

• 1:52:14Tom Ellsworth?

  It was incredible. It was like 37 boobs. Wait, that's an odd number. That can't be right.

• 1:52:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:52:18Tom Ellsworth?

  So Tate is there, we're not drinking and they got this bottle service going for everybody else. Everybody's being crazy and I, I felt bad. I just felt bad. I later told him, I said, hey, look, you know, I know you're coming back, getting back acquainted with people and everything. I'm really sorry to distract here. And he's like, no, no, no, it's cool. It's, it's alright.

• 1:52:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So he understood the fact that your game is at a different level than his?

• 1:52:38Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, he completely did.

• 1:52:40Adam Sosnick?

  I'll tell you this, Tate doesn't drink. Uh, we did have some nice, some nice food. Um, but he was a little intimidated.

• 1:52:47Speaker 05

  Like as Tom was boofing?

• 1:52:48Adam Sosnick?

  Well, it was the, what?

• 1:52:50Speaker 05

  You never heard of, Tom's a-

• 1:52:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop, Finney.

• 1:52:52Speaker 05

  Tom boofs so much.

• 1:52:53Adam Sosnick?

  What? I, Tom, I didn't know that about you. But I respect whatever you do. But Tate doesn't drink and um, Tom had a few cocktails and uh, Tate was a little intimidated. He's not gonna lie.

• 1:53:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't wanna bring it up. I don't wanna bring it up.

• 1:53:10Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I just, anyway, the-

• 1:53:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just, let's just keep it here.

• 1:53:13Adam Sosnick?

  The, the reality is he's not gonna stop criticizing the state of Florida.

• 1:53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I've said it for years. If the lawyers and the judge and the court has something, do it already. If you have it, do it. Get it over with. Prove it, show it. Get it over with. If you have all of that stuff already, go out there and get it done. What are you guys waiting for? Why is it taking so long? If you gotta do it, right? That's the part that's frustrating for the people and, and, and for those who, there are people that want to see it because, you know, some of the comments he's made about men and women and the videos, everybody's seen all the videos, whatever it is, if they're guilty, do it. If not, if they have to release, it's gonna be embarrassing. It's gonna be embarrassing for Romania when that happens.

• 1:53:57Adam Sosnick?

  Oh yeah.

• 1:53:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And a lot of people will be unhappy. Anyways, let's go to the next one, okay? This next one is a topic that Adam really wants to comment on because for whatever reason, it's his favorite sport to watch. Angel Reese says WNBA players could go on strike over salary and benefits. Alright, so Angel Reese says this, Rob, if you want to play this clip. You know what I love watching? I love watching her highlights of missing shots. She's gotta be the worst shooter you've met in your life. But Rob, just give this feedback. Give this feedback here. Go for it.

• 1:54:27Speaker 27

  The ones coming this year will still be on the rookie contract again. The ones that the year after, they gonna get more, they probably gonna be making more than us.

• 1:54:34Adam Sosnick?

  Who's that?

• 1:54:36Speaker 27

  They are. Like, I've been in the meetings, they are. I need to get in the, I need to get in the field. You need to come to the meetings. I need to get in the meetings because I'm hearing like, yeah, they don't give, if y'all don't give us what we want, like, we sitting out. That's a possibility, for real.

• 1:54:51Adam Sosnick?

  We're sitting out.

• 1:54:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that Shaq's 24 shoes in the back? That's Shaq's shoes right when he came out. Yeah, those are Shaq's shoes in the back. So let me read this to you. So they're upset, they want to get paid. Possibility. Reese has been vocal about her low WNBA salary, revealing her $74,000 a year salary doesn't cover rent, stating on Instagram Live, "I just hope you know that the WNBA doesn't pay my bills at all. I don't even think they pay one of my bills." Reese's financial struggles stem from WNBA salary not matching her past earnings as her NIL valuation at LSU was 1.8 million, bolstered by deals with Reebok, Playstation, McDonald's, and Coach, while a four-year rookie deal was $324,000 with $74,000 due next season. She quipped, "Hating pays,

• 1:55:34Patrick Bet-David?

  hating pays them bills, baby," noting, break, I can't read this, Tom's better than me, "Grand deals, not basketball, sustain her especially since the WNBA's $200 million revenue last season only allocated 9.3% to salaries, unlike the NBA's 50% share of the $5.3 billion in 2023." Adam, thoughts?

• 1:55:53Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, WNBA and, uh, what's her name, Angel Reese? Do it. I fully support your right to strike. So, other sports have done it. So other major sports have done it. Here's a quick list for you, PBD. I put this together. Biggest sports strikes in history. 1994, the MLB strike. It was the first time that the World Series was canceled. I remember. You remember that? In 1998, the NBA went on strike. They canceled the All-Star game for the first time. The NFL has gone on strike multiple times. 1982, 1987, 2011. You might recall the replacement players.

• 1:56:35Adam Sosnick?

  This is when they, I think, based a movie around it called The Replacements. And then the worst was in 2004. The NHL canceled the entire season. What? The entire season. You went without noticing it, Vinny. 2004. You were in the Army or the Air Force. But here's the catch, Angel Reese, who allegedly has a 200 million revenue for the WNBA, according to my sources. It's actually closer to 150, but what's 50 million dollars? I'll tell you what 50 million dollars is. It's how much money the WNBA lost last year. And that's a little bit better than the year before when they only lost 40 million this past season.

• 1:57:16Adam Sosnick?

  So here's the catch when you're gonna go on strike. In 1994, MLB, NBA, NFL, what's the number one revenue sport in America? What do you think it is? The NFL. How much you think they make? 17 billion dollars. The NBA, a little over 11 billion dollars. The MLB, also 11 billion dollars. The NHL, 7 billion dollars with a B. You guys are a alleged 150 to 200 million dollar company. You're operating at a loss every single year. You've never made money. It's called a zombie company. You're subsidized by the NBA.

• 1:57:58Adam Sosnick?

  There's a viral clip of Draymond Green basically lecturing one of the greatest players in NBA history, WNBA history. I think it's Lisa Leslie. While you're pulling that up, see if you can pull this up. Quick trivia question for you, Vinny. Real quick, rapid fire. Go. WNBA stats. Here we go. You're a sports guy. How many teams are in the WNBA?

• 1:58:20Adam Sosnick?

  I don't, nine? No, 13. How many games do they play? 80? 40. Damn it. Who won the championship this year and who played in the finals? The Florida Magics. Nope, the New York Liberty beat the Minnesota Lynx. Who? Who, exactly. Who was the MVP? She was unanimous. She got all the votes. Dylan Mulvaney. Yes. Yes. Aja Wilson. Oh. You just failed the test, buddy. I'm sorry. WNBA is coming for you. Here's a clip of Lisa Leslie saying that the WNBA should get paid more. Oh no. Go ahead. And then Draymond Green claps back. Play the beginning of it if you don't mind.

• 1:58:58Speaker 28

  I do feel ourselves to the NBA, but I do feel like the pay gap would be something that, you know, we could just take a donation around the NBA, maybe, maybe, maybe one night y'all don't go to the casinos.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  I have something on this though, because it pisses me off. It pisses me off because I don't think there's anyone in America that supports the WNBA more than NBA players.

• 1:59:25Speaker 28

  A hundred percent.

• 1:59:26Speaker 02

  The NBA players support the WNBA like

• 1:59:29Speaker 28

  The most.

• 1:59:30Speaker 02

  More than we probably support the fucking NBA.

• 1:59:33Adam Sosnick?

  Wow. Whoa. So, listen, you see how quickly she reversed and went to a hundred percent? Oh, quickly. By the way, LeBron was sitting there. He's the person that asked the question, how it should change. I'll say one last point, ladies who are making $74,000 a year. For playing, for playing 40 games. Playing 40 games. Somebody called it ROI on your investment. You chose this profession. You know how much you make in the WNBA. If you go to college, you get a, you're gonna come a major? Look at the ROI on the major. If you go to trade school, look at the ROI on that. Whatever your career you choose, you should probably look at what the career earnings are of going into that field. What I'll also say is this, every single one of you WNBA players, you better pray that Katelyn Clark doesn't get injured.

• 2:00:19Adam Sosnick?

  Because she's keeping your league afloat. Without her, ain't nobody care about WNBA.

• 2:00:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let me show you this. I got it. So Rob, go to ChatGPT and play the following, type the following thing. How much did the WNBA lose in 2024? You can type that up. How much did the WNBA?

• 2:00:32Adam Sosnick?

  Forty million bucks.

• 2:00:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So, losing 2024, they lost 40 million. Your before was 50 million. So it's some progress that they're making.

• 2:00:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:40Patrick Bet-David?

  From the 40, 50.

• 2:00:41Adam Sosnick?

  Progress, guys.

• 2:00:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this here. To address the financial situation, I ask, the WNBA is, um, uh, Rob, if you go up and ask the other question as well. Ask, is it true that the WNBA makes money when they don't play? Is it true that the WNBA makes money when they don't play? Ask that question.

• 2:01:05Adam Sosnick?

  What does that mean?

• 2:01:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. In a way, the WNBA has historically lost money and receives financial support from the NBA, which means that the WNBA games are not played. The league can actually save money by avoiding operating costs. Did you guys understand what happened right? So WNBA makes money when they, so if they go on a strike, the NBA is like, awesome. Okay, however, let me give you some data. Here's the only thing that you gotta look at. WNBA has lost money every single year since 1997. According to the reports, the WNBA has operated, uh, uh, an annual loss of 10 to 12 million dollars. NBA has owned half of the WNBA financial support. NBA players pay for their salaries, by the way. If the WNBA has broadcasting and sponsorship agreements that often pays out regardless of how many games are played,

• 2:01:47Patrick Bet-David?

  if the league cuts costs while soon as the 2026 keep go a little bit lower, Rob, if the NBA runs one. Bottom line is that WNBA doesn't make any money. Go back to the other question that we asked all the way at the top. There's a number that came up, which is their argument, which you have to kind of defend the argument that they're making. WNBA's attendance had a record-breaking high in 20 years with a total of 2.3 million fans attending games. Okay, you know what the increase was from 2024 to 2023 in attendance in a year? Forty-eight percent. That's massive for them. So that's the argument they're making. That's the Caitlin, Caitlin Clark effect. Then, and when it comes down to merch from 23 to 24, they're up 601%.

• 2:02:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Then when it comes on to being broadcasted on ESPN, they average 1.2 million viewers per game, 170% increase. So the viewership is higher and they're asking for the money. And if the contract on the back end, the revenue, NBA gets 50 plus percent to players. They do 9.3. There is an argument for it to be played. But you're right, if Katelyn Clark gets injured, it's over with. Tom, any thoughts on this?

• 2:02:56Tom Ellsworth?

  This is a business issue and no one's going to like what I say, but it's, there are hardworking women in the WNBA that are the, that are the, the, the stateswomen for their team, they're the, they're the, you know, the lead player for their team, the face of the team, and they're out there doing it. But guess what? You know what the reality is? Until the team makes a profit, and by the way, everything you talked about last year is tremendous progress and it puts them closer to making a profit. Cause as soon as they're profitable, they can go on strike and they can go from 9% of the revenue to 12% of the revenue, to 15% of the revenue, to 20% of the revenue. But if there's no revenue, you can't get percent of nothing.

• 2:03:36Tom Ellsworth?

  If they go on strike right now and forced a, I was reading even a 15% contract, two of the teams will absolutely fail. Because there are owners that own the other half of that, right? There's owners that own half of those teams. The NBA owns the other half. There are two teams that basically the owners are like, okay, I got two sevens and a, I'm out, I'm out of this hand. Cause he can't do that. And what they need, and by the way, maybe they should play hard, but not flagrant foul, you know, Katelyn Clark, who's, can be, you know, the face of the league. They may not like it's the face of the league, there may be professional jealousies among

• 2:04:16Tom Ellsworth?

  players, but maybe at face of the league can help things go and get merch, people in seats and a better TV contract, they're getting a TV contract improvement for the 26 season next year. And so the minute they are a profitable league, the players should do what baseball players and everybody else have done and saying, sorry owners, you're making an awful lot of profit there. I think you should move us from 33 to 40% of total revenue. And that's the way it's worked in other leagues, but step one, there's gotta be profit to take.

• 2:04:49Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, quick business question for you. Forget about the WNBA.

• 2:04:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to move on in 30 seconds from this.

• 2:04:54Adam Sosnick?

  I got it. Here we go. Tom, they haven't made money in 30 years. They're about to have their 30 year anniversary. In general. How long can a business, whether it's a shoe shop, whether it's a pizza shop, whether it's a plumbing store, what, any business, how long can a business operate at a loss before it folds?

• 2:05:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, small businesses that start that don't make a profit will not see their third anniversary. That's a stat. You can go to the Small Business Administration.

• 2:05:19Adam Sosnick?

  Third anniversary.

• 2:05:20Tom Ellsworth?

  You will never see your third anniversary.

• 2:05:21Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a big difference though. Here's how you gotta look at it. There's some businesses, like if I was the NBA and the NBA was the face of what? BLM, DEI, ESG, all the bullshit, right? That the NBA was a face up. You know how the NBA views the WNBA? It's marketing dollars. They're losing money every year, but they're gaining, gaining votes. That's how they view it. They're viewing it as that. They're not looking at it as a profitable channel that they have. It's just purely marketing dollars to seem noble and do what they do.

• 2:05:51Adam Sosnick?

  So what will a strike actually accomplish if it's just a marketing fee anyway?

• 2:05:55Patrick Bet-David?

  We will see. We will. By the way, I, I have to tell you, Kaitlyn Clark, minus what comments she made last year. I have no interest watching her now after the comments that she made. Zero interest in watching her. She was actually exciting.

• 2:06:06Adam Sosnick?

  She got white guilt.

• 2:06:07Patrick Bet-David?

  She was actually exciting to watch and I'm out. And honestly, I was one that was defending her. I'm like, you know what? You want to make a comment like that? Another person that's out, I have no interest in watching any of it. She was the one that was gonna get an audience like me to sit there and watch a game with a daughter or a man. I got two of them. After that comment was made, I'm out. So let me go to the next story here. Gene Hackman. Gene Hackman's kids, not mentioned in his will. Here's what could happen to his 80 million dollar fortune. Guys, it's a little weird story here, so let me read it to you. Gene Hackman, 95-year-old Oscar-winning actor known for The French Connection and The Birdcage, and his 65-year-old wife, Betsy Arakawa, were found dead in the Santa Fe, in their Santa Fe, New Mexico home, February 26, 2025,

• 2:06:50Patrick Bet-David?

  with their wheels revealing that Hackman's three children, son Christopher and daughter Leslie and Elizabeth, were not included as beneficiaries. TMZ reports that in 1995, Hackman named Arakawa.

• 2:07:04Patrick Bet-David?

  The sole beneficiary of his $80 million estate, a decision complicated by their simultaneous deaths within each, within days of each other. Arakawa had a Hantai virus, a rare virus linked to rodents on February 11th, and Hackman from a cardiac event on February 18th, seven days apart, worsened by advanced Alzheimer's and severe heart disease. We listen to this provision, folks. This is where it gets interesting. The wills included a provision that if they died within 90 days of each other, AKA a

• 2:07:43Patrick Bet-David?

  simultaneous death, all of Arakawa's assets would go to charity, not to his three kids. Leaving the children potentially excluded since New Mexico Community Property States adds legal complexity without a prenup from their 1991 marriage. The couple's deaths uncovered after their dogs led responders to Hackman's body have sparked potential legal battles with Hackman's son Christopher already hiring a prominent California trust and a state attorney to possibly challenge the will. Tom?

• 2:08:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, two things. We saw it in life insurance and how often do we see it, Pat? That people, whenever we would talk to people about life insurance, what else would we talk about? Trust and will and making it current and specific. And we had a big sign on the wall that listed all of these prominent people over the course of history that didn't have wills that led to complications. Remember that? And we would be, we would be sitting there counseling people, just trying to figure out how much life insurance they needed and then end up talking about, well, do you even have a will? Do you even have this? You need a trust attorney. You need to go this. And so what you have here is if it's a will, not a trust.

• 2:08:56Tom Ellsworth?

  And what they're saying is if both of them were in a terrible car accident, the 90 day clause goes like this, somebody dies in a car accident and maybe it takes somebody, you know, 30 days to die, maybe there's no brain activity, there's a head injury, you know, and it takes a while before they say, well, we're gonna turn off the respirator here unfortunately, and it's all done. That's what the 90 day clause is. And the 90 day clause, what they've put in is, okay, well, if we both die in some accident, that's what it is. It's not murder-suicide, it's some accident. Then it goes to charity. And if that's clearly put in their will, there's nothing any of the kids can do about it.

• 2:09:32Patrick Bet-David?

  But the son has to prove, Christopher has to prove that it was suicide, not accident.

• 2:09:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, he's got to prove that there's something up. Because if they both just happen to die within 90 days.

• 2:09:42Patrick Bet-David?

  There's nothing they can do.

• 2:09:43Tom Ellsworth?

  But the days, like I was saying, do you understand, that's usually a car accident clause. Dad died immediately, mom hung on, and then we, she passed.

• 2:09:50Speaker 05

  Well, I'm going on the weird thing, like, it just, a bunch of stuff, just, it just wasn't adding up. So now we're hearing that she, that the wife, Betsy, called her doctor a day after the official date of her death. I'm gonna say that again. Their doctor said that she called, she was already dead, but yet she made this phone call, which is kind of weird. And all the stuff that, with the clause and the charity and everything, Dr. Josiah Child from Cloudberry Health dropped a bombshell saying that Betsy contacted his clinic on February 12th, seeking an echocardiogram from Gene, even though the authorities claimed she died on February 11th. And let's not forget, she was diagnosed with Hantavirus Pulmonary

• 2:10:32Speaker 05

  Syndrome, but showed zero respiratory distress during the call. Apparently, when you have that disease, you sound like this. She didn't sound anything like that, okay? And then it gets even weirder. Their dog was found dead, and then, so how does a couple, their dog, all die under these weird circumstances, and nobody noticed for? How many days was it, Tom? 12 days? It was a bunch of days. All right, just random and bizarre. And then with all this mystery and weird circumstance, this situation yesterday, I sent it to Rob, Pat, reminded me of what actor Randy Quaid, if some of the viewers remember this, he warned us years ago, okay? He said that, and by the way, this is my opinion, but this is what Randy Quaid was saying, that he talked about celebrities being manipulated,

• 2:11:15Speaker 05

  their wealth siphoned away, and their own flesh and blood left with nothing. He called them "starwhackers," which is a ring of estate planners, lawyers, accountants who systematically destroy and even kill Hollywood stars to seize their fortunes. This is him, but this is a clip from 2010, I believe, but he was, by the way, awesome guy. The, once this happened, he had to flee to freaking Canada and leave because of everything that they were doing to him to try to get his fortune. Go ahead, Robbie.

• 2:11:40Speaker 29

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• 2:12:20Speaker 29

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• 2:13:42Speaker 05

  Oh, he's emotional, dude.

• 2:13:45Speaker 29

  All of whom I have worked with and was close to. Heath Ledger, Chris Penn, David Carradine among them. I believe these actors were whacked, and I believe that many others, such as Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, and Mel Gibson are being played to get at their money. In the meantime, many a celebrity's image and marketability is being co-opted and destroyed. Google helps out by keeping the negative stories near the top of a celebrity's webpage because it's the negativity that brings in the advertising revenue.

• 2:14:26Speaker 05

  So with the, and again, speculation, he spoke about this years-

• 2:14:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Gene Hackman was 95, though.

• 2:14:31Speaker 05

  No, I understand that, but the wife, and the disease, and then the dog, it just doesn't add up.

• 2:14:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That doesn't add up. But to say somebody tried to take him out, I'm not there. Because he's 80, he's 95. I mean, if he died at 65. Heath Ledger, totally get it. Okay, fine, he was younger, yes. Targeting of Mel Gibson after he made certain comments and, you know, the anti-Semitism 30 years ago, I don't know when it was, when he made some comments and then all of a sudden we saw a drop. I get it. Some of these guys, I get it. I don't know about Gene Hackman. I don't know if that applies to Gene Hackman.

• 2:15:06Speaker 05

  But what about the clause, Pat? With the 90 days and the wife?

• 2:15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's very weird.

• 2:15:09Speaker 05

  Well, that's what I'm saying.

• 2:15:10Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I'm curious. The only thing is, I don't think, if there's anybody, if I was an investigator and I'm trying to see what's going on here, and I'm not a P.I., this is not my space. If I was, I would want to know. How she died, not him. Yes. I want to know how she died. I understand how he died. I want to know how she died. That's the one I'm interested in. Where that goes to from here. The guy was 90, I mean, by the way, by the way, if you even see the pictures of Gene Hackman, you don't recognize him. Yeah, you wouldn't, you wouldn't. No, if you saw him in the streets, you wouldn't realize that's Gene Hackman. Can you, can you pull up the final pictures? That does not look like Gene Hackman. At all. Tell me what part of that picture looks like Gene Hackman. Zero. He's 95. That does not look like, you go to Gene Hackman, like, peak Gene Hackman.

• 2:15:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Type in young Gene Hackman, young. Young Gene Hackman. Mississippi Burning Gene Hackman. Watch, I mean, you know. Yeah. Well, maybe it was.

• 2:16:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it doesn't look anything like him. It's not as, maybe they don't work. There is Lex, Lex Luthor. By the way, go back, Rob, and go to the picture, all the way to the left, the second one, second one, or one more, Rob, lower, Rob, left, left. Lower. See, that's a rough picture right there. That's rough, yeah. By the way, when you're in the military and they take pictures like that, you're doomed for the rest of your life. Because someone's going to see those pictures. Yeah. They're going to realize your ears are legit. Yeah. Right? This guy probably worked communication in the military. Yeah, for sure.

• 2:16:33Adam Sosnick?

  Pat, I see what you did there, by the way, you were like. Hey, Mateo, nice, nice haircut. Hey, Donnie. Nice suit. See what you did there.

• 2:16:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to be there.

• 2:16:45Adam Sosnick?

  But here's what I will say, because I'm going to take a different angle than Vinnie. I haven't followed this story at all. I know you want to move on, but I.

• 2:16:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I have one story, I have one story and we're done, go for it.

• 2:16:53Adam Sosnick?

  So, I haven't followed this story at all, but what stories I have followed are these estate planning fails that Tom was referencing. I feel so grateful and so lucky to be in the industry that I've been in for almost 20 fricking years now, which is the insurance. That's right.

• 2:17:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:10Adam Sosnick?

  The insurance, investment, financial planning, and estate planning career sector. So, Rob, I sent you a picture, just so you understand, people, I have a real job other than this, in case I, you know, I end up getting fired. I go to this meeting every single year called Heckerling. It's put on by the University of Miami. And all it is are the top estate planning professionals, trusts, eyelets, tax attorneys, everything like that by massive companies, US Trust, Bloomberg, Charles Schwab. And I have conversations with each of these people. And the amount of people that die with no estate plan, with no trust, the tax ramifications. I know there's a whole argument of like, how much the threshold should be.

• 2:17:53Adam Sosnick?

  Aretha Franklin, she died, no will. Prince dies, no will. Heath Ledger, outdated will. Jerry Garcia, from the Grateful Dead, nothing. Robert Kardashian died, nothing. George Michael, all these people died. The one that hit the closest home to me was, you ever been to Hard Rock Stadium here in Miami? For a football game?

• 2:18:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:15Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. Do you know for many, many years, it was called Joe Robbie Stadium? Joe Robbie Stadium was the owner of the Dolphins. When he died, he had no estate plan, no insurance. The team was valued at, let's say 200 million at the time. They go, you owe 100 million dollars. And he's like, I, the family, I don't, we don't have, you have to sell the stadium, you have to sell the team. That's what happens when you have a massive estate plan bill and don't have any plans to play.

• 2:18:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, Rob, between us, Adam's reached a number of pictures for the year. There's a limit. That's it. That's the seven picture I saw of Adam today, and they're all 10 years ago. I don't know if Adam wants to see himself to show the world how handsome he was 10 years ago. I think that's a...

• 2:18:57Adam Sosnick?

  I think I'm better looking now, Pat, but thanks.

• 2:18:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Then Gene Hackman, then Gene Hackman, maybe, but that's a different story. He was so young and full of hope. He won a couple Oscars, though. Let's go to the last story, Rob. Last story, I want to do, and then we're out. This is the Trump announcing the release of the 80,000 pages yesterday. Rob, if you want to play this clip, go for it.

• 2:19:14Speaker 10

  While we're here, I thought it would be appropriate. We are tomorrow announcing and giving all of the Kennedy files. So people have been waiting for decades for this. And I've instructed my people that are responsible, lots of different people, put together by Tulsi Gabbard. And that's going to be released tomorrow. We have a tremendous amount of paper. You've got a lot of reading. I don't believe we're going to redact anything. I said, "Just don't redact. You can't redact."

• 2:19:56Speaker 10

  But we're going to be releasing the JFK files. And that would be tomorrow. Do you have anything else to add to that, Carol?

• 2:20:04Speaker 20

  No.

• 2:20:05Speaker 10

  So that's a big announcement. They've been waiting for that for decades. And I said during the campaign, "I do it." And I'm a man of my word. So tomorrow, you have the JFK files. What time will they be released?

• 2:20:17Speaker 20

  Tomorrow.

• 2:20:18Speaker 10

  Tomorrow. Okay.

• 2:20:20Speaker 20

  Have you seen what's in the files?

• 2:20:23Speaker 10

  I've heard about them.

• 2:20:24Speaker 20

  Was there anything interesting?

• 2:20:26Speaker 10

  It's going to be very interesting.

• 2:20:28Speaker 30

  Was there an executive summary supplied to you as president?

• 2:20:31Speaker 10

  No, I'm not doing summaries. You'll write your own summaries. It's many pages. Is it 80,000 pages? It's about 80,000 pages. So it's a lot of stuff. And you'll make your own determination. What was the question about Epstein, Rob? Do you have that one?

• 2:20:47Speaker 06

  Yes, that was over the course of the weekend. Here he is, sitting down with Cheryl Atkinson.

• 2:20:50Speaker 10

  Go for it.

• 2:20:51Speaker 31

  A lot of intrigue surrounding the release of the Epstein files, Martin Luther King files, John F. Kennedy files. Some current and former FBI agents are saying, some of them telling me, that they feel the FBI establishment came out ahead in the standoff, sort of with the New York FBI field office over releasing the records and your Attorney General Pam Bondi demanding them but not getting all that she wanted. Is that process still on track? I think that's one of the most often questions I've been asked the last couple of days to release these records on Epstein, MLK, and JFK.

• 2:21:23Speaker 10

  Well, Pam Bondi's done a phenomenal job in every respect. And there could have been some holdback. I haven't heard too much about it, but they could. But the bottom line is the records are getting out. The Kennedy records are getting out. Those are the ones I really wanted to see the most were the Kennedys. And during my administration, as you know, I released A lot of them, but then a lot of people started coming in, people that I respected, people that worked for the administration, asked me not to release the rest.

• 2:21:50Speaker 05

  Mike Pompeo.

• 2:21:51Speaker 10

  And I respected that. They gave me certain reasons, but I respected that. And I did say, I must tell you, I said that probably wish I did release the whole thing because I have no idea what's in there. But since then, they found, and we found, 2,000 more documents, one Kennedy. And the one they want most is Kennedy, and it's going to be released. It's moving along, and it's moving along pretty rapidly. It doesn't go that rapidly. Weeks, maybe, or longer? I say weeks, yeah. I say weeks.

• 2:22:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And what's the other one you got, Rob, with his press secretary?

• 2:22:29Speaker 06

  This is, the deputy press secretary was asked last night about the release of the files and if the American public would be shocked. Here's his response.

• 2:22:36Speaker 32

  The American people will have their hands on these documents, and there'll be a story to tell. I won't preview that story, but let me tell you, the American people are truly going to be shocked at what they see.

• 2:22:48Speaker 05

  I don't, do you, I'm asking you honestly, do any of you believe at this point that we are going to, like, anything that we're going to see? Because think about it, Tommy, if Mike Pompeo, at the time, was the acting director of the CIA, he was the one that was telling Trump, "Trust me, do not release this," what could possibly be the reason that the director of the CIA says, "Do not put this out"? I know they always talk about national security. Why do you think, Tom?

• 2:23:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, the speculation, the easy speculation, and it's not really speculation, the easy conclusion is, well, the establishment members of the CIA went to Mike, who was the director of the CIA at that time, and said, "The credibility of everything that we're doing, and all that we do around the world and in the United States to keep us safe, you may not like us, you may poke jokes at us, but we are out there, you know, overthrowing governments, doing all these things in the name of democracy and keeping us safe. You can't let us be exposed like this for something that none of us that are here did 50, you know, almost 60 years ago." Says, "You can't do that, Mike." And Mike blinked and said, You're right, we won't do it. But now it's coming out. And what I think is gonna come out,

• 2:23:57Tom Ellsworth?

  you know, Roger Stone was posted on X last night about about his book, and there's a lot of people that are on the same page that I am. I've stayed away from some of the fringe theories because LBJ plus CIA is so easy. Now, let's see if we all find out. Let's see if we all find out, and that's really what it comes down to.

• 2:24:16Speaker 05

  And let me ask you a question, Tom. Let's say we just find out, worst case scenario, Adam, they come out today, and in these documents, we find out that the CIA was involved, Lyndon B. Johnson, they all had a hand in murdering, murdering a sitting president. What happens?

• 2:24:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, then we have a spot on our history, just like the kings and queens of Europe do, because every now and then you had a nephew knock off the king, and then his aunt, the queen, would be queen. And so murders of leaders that came from inside is nothing new. And I think there's been so much doubt and speculation from the American people. I think what most people are gonna say is, you know, that makes sense, and that's what a lot of people were saying. I'm glad we finally know. But there's no one to prosecute.

• 2:25:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:25:03Tom Ellsworth?

  There's no one to put in jail.

• 2:25:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:25:04Tom Ellsworth?

  They've all long since passed away. But I think what it says is, I'm glad my government finally released it. I think that's what you're gonna get.

• 2:25:11Speaker 05

  Okay, and I agree with that, but are you gonna get angry, angry American citizens?

• 2:25:16Tom Ellsworth?

  No, but you are.

• 2:25:17Speaker 05

  That say that, so you mean that, yeah, everybody's dead, everybody's dead, but the agencies, are you not, like, our government murdered a sitting president? It doesn't get worse than that.

• 2:25:28Tom Ellsworth?

  We're about to find out.

• 2:25:29Speaker 05

  No, what I'm saying, no, but my thing is this, I don't think we're gonna find out. I don't think any of those 80,000 documents, Pat, are gonna say anybody was involved. This isn't-

• 2:25:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, we're hours away.

• 2:25:38Speaker 05

  I'll bet, I'll bet, anybody wanna make a friendly, a bet? There's nothing that you're gonna find out that's new. You're not gonna find out anything about the 9/11 documents. You're not gonna find out anything about Jeffrey Epstein, because the system will fail. But like I said with JFK, let justice be done, though the heavens fall. Everybody keeps worrying about, well, what's gonna, we can't let them know, like Pompeo's attitude. We have to know, because that means everything that we've stacked, this house of cards, is gonna fall down. But if that's the case, then so be it.

• 2:26:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I think all Americans are gonna react how they react. But there's no one to focus your anger at, because they're all dead, and this is 60 years ago. You can have anger, but there's no one to say, "We should go get that guy and drag him into court and then, you know, string him up and all those kinds of things." There's nothing for that. And so, when the files come out, I'll be looking forward to the summaries and the headlines to see if we finally find out. But even more so, my parting shot, I just want to, you know, hopefully, we're also welcoming back two astronauts that were trapped in space for a very long time, to seeing that maybe the government get together and do something good and bring someone back alive, rather than looking back 60 years for someone who was murdered.

• 2:26:44Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. Vinny, I love you, just take your blood pressure to medicine tomorrow.

• 2:26:47Speaker 05

  I feel fantastic.

• 2:26:48Adam Sosnick?

  But, Rob, I have a picture of JFK and I, if you want to pull that up.

• 2:26:53Speaker 05

  Pat, what do you think? You think we're going to find anything out?

• 2:26:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So, he said something that if you don't want to do it, you don't do that. He says, "I should have released it. I should have released it back then." And then he says, "I asked them not to redact anything of the documents. I asked them, 'Let them see everything. If they want to see it, let them see it.'" Okay. So, I mean, this has been like a broken record right now. Who's going to get a black eye for what happens here? The CIA, possibly Mossad, okay? Lyndon Johnson, let's kind of go through who it is. Those are three names that I got.

• 2:27:28Speaker 05

  Cuba.

• 2:27:29Patrick Bet-David?

  And maybe Cuba. Maybe Mafia, but Mafia's already had a black eye. Mafia, it's actually, we'll take it as a badge of honor.

• 2:27:36Adam Sosnick?

  You're saying black guy?

• 2:27:37Patrick Bet-David?

  No, black eye.

• 2:27:38Adam Sosnick?

  I gotcha.

• 2:27:39Speaker 05

  You!

• 2:27:40Adam Sosnick?

  I'm thinking of Don Lemon this entire time.

• 2:27:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But this is the part that you got to be thinking about, you know. I think the moment they release all of this, and I've said this over and over again, I think the level of trust in the CIA is going to skyrocket. Skyrocket. I think it's going to go boom, boom.

• 2:28:03Adam Sosnick?

  Of the CIA.

• 2:28:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:28:05Adam Sosnick?

  Even if they were involved.

• 2:28:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, because eventually, they got it wrong. And now it's public. And remember how earlier I was talking about every once in a while, human beings, people want to see mistakes being made? We want to see that even the US government made a couple mistakes. It's okay. It's okay. We are trying to present the system as a perfect system. No, we don't walk on water. We made mistakes in the past. And now is the time to show it, because this was so long ago that the history, the only reason John F. Kennedy is gonna be easier, and MLK is gonna be easier, is because a lot of those people are dead.

• 2:28:43Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:44Speaker 05

  Good point.

• 2:28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason why the Epstein one is tough is probably because one of the guy that is a linchpin, you know what a linchpin is? Are you familiar with what a linchpin is?

• 2:28:53Adam Sosnick?

  Main, main, main.

• 2:28:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you know what, you ever read the book, Rob, can you go pull up linchpin? So, linchpin, um... It just shows...

• 2:29:02Adam Sosnick?

  Ties the whole thing together.

• 2:29:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Ties the whole thing up. It's typically a person, like, can you go to images?

• 2:29:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, do you see that? It's the one thing that keeps it from falling apart. Right? If the linchpin is off, the wheels fall off. So this guy Seth Godden wrote a book about this. And trying to find a linchpin of organizations, trying to find a linchpin in a business, like, you know, Apple has a linchpin. What is it? Blue Text. What else is it? Download Music. What else is it? Everything is, it's a linchpin, right? If there is a person that is the linchpin behind closed doors, that's helped the administration a lot now, and he went to that island, and you reveal this, and he is... You know?

• 2:29:49Adam Sosnick?

  Implicated?

• 2:29:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's implicated, and he has got information that's helping you negotiate better, because you have certain things to, you know? You know what I'm saying?

• 2:29:59Adam Sosnick?

  Basically, if you can prevent World War III by leaving this person's name out of it, what do you do?

• 2:30:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, that's, that's the tough part where you are not there to make that decision, and you will never know, and there's certain things that presidents will go to their grave that nobody will ever know about. This is one of those things.

• 2:30:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 2:30:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? So that's my only concern, because a lot of the people that are on the Epstein thing are alive.

• 2:30:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Our lives, so that there is that fear that I don't, I think there's gonna be a lot of a lot of things being redacted on the Epstein files. I think they may be more comfortable with the John F. Kennedy one. I agree. And when we do, there may be a guy whose book is gonna sell a lot of copies when he called out Lyndon Johnson and the JFK assassination. Roger Stone. Exactly. Oh, wow. Yes, Roger Dodger.

• 2:30:47Speaker 05

  Roger Dodger.

• 2:30:48Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, gang, it's been great being with you guys. By the way, to those of you that are in the next circle, I love the fact that you guys are communicating with each other throughout the entire month. I love it that you're on there. A lot of stuff that we don't talk about here. If you haven't yet joined the circle, go download the app and join the PBD Podcast Circle. And there's plenty of other ones for you to pick and choose from to be part of the circle. We get, I talked to our guys throughout the entire month in PBD Podcast Circle. Download the app, go in the circle, post your message and say where you're from. Name, occupation, where you're from, and what you love most about the PBD Podcast and where you follow it, and maybe a topic that matters to you the most. Post a comment in PBD Podcast Circle. Looking forward to seeing you there. Rob, Thursday, now the home team?

• 2:31:32Speaker 06

  Uh, yes, with Andrew Schultz, and then Friday we have Dr. Ron Paul on the program.

• 2:31:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Whoa, Dr. Ron Paul, that's right, it's a surprise. Take care, everybody. God bless. Bye-bye, bye-bye.